[00:04] <Sarvatt> dang, forcing it into the initrd gives me a high resolution text renderer splash now
[00:24] <Sarvatt> hmm vga16fb doesn't load at all if i put all the gpu modules in the initrd actually
[04:30] <Sarvatt> lol oops, KMS wiki page said to echo blacklist nouveau > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf ....
[04:30] <Sarvatt> hope noone actually did that :D
[06:00] <Sarvatt> what to do about this sisimedia driver..
[06:01] <Sarvatt> i've been working on it for awhile not but it's a pain in the butt. they patched the heck out of a *really* old sis release and it needs a ton of fixes for xserver 1.7
[06:43] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: don't bother, it should be merged with sis
[06:43] <tjaalton> some distro has done that, but can't remember which one
[06:45] <Sarvatt> mandriva
[06:45] <tjaalton> right
[06:45] <tjaalton> they should push it upstream
[06:45] <Sarvatt> and it doesnt work in cooker there either
[06:46] <tjaalton> though it doesn't matter who does the work, so go for it ;)
[07:00] <Sarvatt> huh
[07:00] <Sarvatt> #6  0x0816848c in RRScreenSizeSet (pScreen=0x8965720, width=1280, height=28864, mmWidth=169,  mmHeight=126) at ../../randr/rrscreen.c:185
[07:00] <Sarvatt> thats some height
[07:24] <Sarvatt> yeeeep bug 535640 happens on all generations for sure
[07:24] <superm1> and it's annoying as heck too :)
[07:24] <Sarvatt> yep!
[07:24] <Sarvatt> fix will be in *soon*
[07:25] <Sarvatt> kernel team thought it was still applied but it wasn't
[07:25] <superm1> every time it's happened to me i've been stuck behind proxies and unable to upload a report, so i'm glad to hear it's more commo
[07:25] <superm1> n
[07:26] <Sarvatt> you can disable turning off the display in power management and not blank the screen with a screensaver for now to fix it
[07:26] <superm1> cool, thanks
[07:29] <superm1> there's one other big one i keep seeing on my intel boxes.  the bottom of the display turns all jittery whenever i type and gets worse as i type more.  if i vt switch or restart X it appears to go away for a bit though
[07:29] <Sarvatt> that one i just saw reported for the first time today
[07:29] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/549989
[07:29] <superm1> yup
[07:30] <Sarvatt> does it only happen with gnome-terminal for you?
[07:30] <superm1> come to think of it, that's the only time i've ever noticed it
[07:30] <superm1> let me grab it and see if it's acting up right now
[07:30] <Sarvatt> yeah i dont think thats a problem in intel, i only get something similar in gnome-terminal
[07:31] <Sarvatt> moving the mouse up to gnome panel clears it
[07:31] <Sarvatt> it started when the CSD stuff was added to gtk+ but that was backed out and i still have it
[07:32] <superm1> of course it's stable right now
[07:32] <superm1> it's only when i'm doing important things that it likes to happen
[07:33] <Sarvatt> yeah same here :D
[07:33] <Sarvatt> i get it like once a week or so, but sometimes it gets real bad and i get it like 10 times in a day
[07:33] <superm1> it's usually hourly for me
[07:34] <Sarvatt> it makes my whole screen black except for a sliver up at the panel and moving the cursor up to the panel fixes it. really weird
[07:34] <superm1> if i dont vt switch or log out / in i'm sure to get some kind of black out on the screen when it starts happening
[07:34] <superm1> i'll keep that in mind next time it happens to see if i'm as lucky
[07:34] <Sarvatt> it usually happens when I pageup or pagedown in nano
[07:35] <Sarvatt> wish i could figure that one out
[07:36] <Sarvatt> happens on 2.6.31-2.6.34, with or without compiz, and on intel 2.9.1 through 2.10.903
[07:36] <Sarvatt> and only in gnome-terminal..
[07:36] <Sarvatt> actually when the CSD stuff was in it happened in xchat too
[07:36] <Sarvatt> scrolling up and down the screen there too
[07:37] <superm1> can't seem to induce it with a pg up/down here
[07:41] <Sarvatt> asking in ubuntu-desktop if anyone has any idea where to start digging into it :)
[07:49] <superm1> lshw -c video corrupted it in a much more fun and colorful way
[07:57] <Sarvatt> ok on 945 the error state looks like this instead of the easily recognizable 965+ ones even though its the same bug - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41715185/i915_error_state.txt
[07:57] <Sarvatt> i just enabled screen blanking and such and I get that same error state, there goes another 50 intel bugs to be duped :)
[07:58] <Sarvatt> well thats what 915-945 look like i should say, not just 945
[08:25] <Sarvatt> superm1: the lshw thing is fixed in 2.6.32-18 thats built just doesnt have a linux-meta yet
[08:25] <Sarvatt> can blacklist vga16fb to fix that for now too otherwise :D
[08:25] <Sarvatt> should be fixed I should say, I haven't tested it yet
[08:28] <Sarvatt> sheesh the more I close intel bugs the more nouveau bugs go up
[09:19] <Duke`> I feel a little performance regression in latest mesa/dri/i945
[09:19] <Duke`> well, it's just glxgears, so maybe there is no real regression, but...
[09:23] <Sarvatt> are you using a 2.6.32+ kernel?
[09:30] <Duke`> 2.6.33
[09:31] <Duke`> at glxgears, I experience a drop from 1200 to 900 fps
[16:24] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/549318
[16:24] <Sarvatt> is that even supposed to work?
[16:30] <BUGabundo> I had one of those Sarvatt
[16:30] <BUGabundo> seems fixed now
[16:31]  * BUGabundo reads the bug details
[16:31] <BUGabundo> ok, not multicard nor multi monitor
[17:48] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: still hitting any of your old bugs with the blob?
[17:48] <Sarvatt> suspend/resume working? can ya vt switch?
[17:49] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: all fine so far
[17:49] <BUGabundo> suspend works, TTYs too
[17:49] <BUGabundo> need to test hibernate
[17:49] <BUGabundo> haven't in a while, last few times I tested it was broken.... and it takes SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO darn long, I rather not use it anymore
[17:50] <Sarvatt> sweet, mind closing those bugs you had open? i asked in the bugs if it was still happening and marked incomplete but dont have them handy :D
[17:50] <BUGabundo> will have to search the email
[17:50] <BUGabundo> were those comments recent? 
[17:51] <Sarvatt> yeah hibernate makes no sense to me anymore, not when a normal boot is faster..
[17:51] <BUGabundo> I'm up to date until last night
[17:51] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: there are two use cases for it:
[17:51] <Sarvatt> oh i'll get it off your launchpad page
[17:51] <BUGabundo> one is where you really need to keep an work flow of open docs
[17:51] <Sarvatt> it was when nvidia-current was updated last right after beta 1
[17:51] <BUGabundo> two when you want to turn of a machine to move around
[17:52] <BUGabundo> no idea
[17:52] <BUGabundo> haven't correlated dates 
[17:52] <Sarvatt> session management in the text editor! :D
[17:52] <Sarvatt> chrome/firefox remembering tabs, gedit and geany remembering docs open, thats all i need
[17:54] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:54] <BUGabundo> kenvandine: FYI increasing gwibber timeout, seems to help me connect to brainbird.net (statusnet) without probs
[17:54] <Sarvatt> oh sweet you have alot of bug reports that are fixed on your reported bug page :)
[17:55] <BUGabundo> o...k...
[18:16] <Sioux-33> hi anyone here?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> no
[18:17] <BUGabundo> we all ran cause of the splits
[18:17] <Sioux-33> hahaha
[18:17] <Sioux-33> hi, ubuntu 9.10 i updated kernel to version 2.6.31.21 and mousse cursor is gone dont know what happen any ideas?
[18:23] <Sarvatt> Sioux-33: usb mouse or touchpad? 
[18:24] <Sioux-33> touchpad
[18:24] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[18:24] <Sarvatt> ^ paste that in a terminal and paste the pastebin link it gives if you dont mind :)
[18:26] <Sioux-33> my dear <Sarvatt> u want me to use pastebin now? cos at the moment im using kernel 2.6.31.20 and the mousse cursor is working fine. if u want me to boot up to 2.6.31.21 then there will be diffucult to use anything cos of no moussse cursor so what do u want me to do?
[18:27] <Sarvatt> did you boot to the non working cursor situation last?
[18:27] <Sarvatt> if so /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old will have the info in it
 one sec yes i booted 2.6.31.21  last let me see if i can find anything
[18:31] <Sarvatt> /var/log/dmesg.1 would be handy too
[18:31] <Sarvatt> for that one use 
[18:31] <Sarvatt> zcat /var/log/dmesg.1.gz | pastebini
[18:33] <Sarvatt> actually I would recommend filing a bug with ubuntu-bug linux after booting where you dont have the mouse working, you can press alt+f2 to run the command. do you have an external mouse you can use just to file it?
[18:33] <Sioux-33> nope i dont 
[18:33] <Sioux-33> u want me to zcat /var/log/dmesg.1.gz | pastebinit?
[18:33] <Sarvatt> please
[18:35] <Sioux-33> i did zcat /var/log/dmesg.1.gz | pastebinit and then got http://pastebin.com thats all
[18:35] <Sarvatt> darn :(
[18:35] <Sioux-33> what do u want me to do?
[18:36] <Sarvatt> the karmic one must be messed up
[18:36] <Sarvatt> well, run ubuntu-bug linux and attach /var/log/dmesg.1.gz and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to it if you dont mind, that would be alot more helpful anyway
[18:37] <Sarvatt> just mention the touchpad doesn't work with 2.6.31-21 but does with 2.6.31-20
[18:38] <Sioux-33> it doesnt with 2.6.31.21 generic it doesnt with 2.6.31.21 pae it doesnt with 2.6.31.20 pae
 can be that it doesnt work cos of graphic card for example? 
[18:41] <Sarvatt> i doubt it very much, it would be appreciated if you could file that bug though because thats a pretty nasty problem and that kernel is still in proposed so best to figure it out before it gets moved over to karmic-updates
[18:42] <Sioux-33> ok i will report a bug 
[18:42] <Sarvatt> it will automatically fill in almost all of the info, only thing you need to mention is what kernels it works on and which it doesnt and attach those extra logs after if you dont mind
[18:44] <Sarvatt> i'm guessing its going to be http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-karmic.git;a=commit;h=a36ea9e4ead28b3836ba4bd3abaab39fdf16f423 but wont know until I see the bug
[18:46] <Sioux-33> i type in the terminal ubuntu-bug and then what ? i should use ubuntu-bug something 
[18:46] <BenHoltz> I need help with ubuntu 10.04 w/integrated intel gfx so that i can use my flat screen TV via VGA. I have tried disabling kms with grub, and no luck. I tried setting it via the wiki suggestions and upon echoing to the i915-kms.conf get permission denied.  any ideas?
[18:47] <Sarvatt> BenHoltz: sudo -i first, then do the echo command
[18:48] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: I'll try that...  how can we add that to the wiki?
[18:50] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: Still no dice, after grub it goes out of sync.
[18:55] <BenHoltz> anyone have any clues/suggestions?
[19:05] <BenHoltz> I need help with ubuntu 10.04 w/integrated intel gfx so that i can use my flat screen TV via VGA. I have tried disabling kms with grub, and no luck. I tried setting it via the wiki suggestions and echoing to the i915-kms.conf with no luck .  any ideas?
[19:14]  * BenHoltz wishes for some x expert to magically fall into the room
[19:14] <jcristau> why would you disable kms?
[19:15] <BenHoltz> thats what everyone suggested
[19:15] <BenHoltz> :(
[19:16] <Sarvatt> BenHoltz: file a bug with ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel, we dont even know what the problem is and its probably apparent in your logs
[19:17] <jcristau> i don't know who everyone is, and they're usually wrong anyway :)
[19:18] <BenHoltz> jcristau: I agree!
[19:18] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: via Help>Report a problem?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> press alt+f2 and type ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:19] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: 10-4.  Thanks!
[19:19] <Sarvatt> be more descriptive of what the problem is outside of it doesn't work if you can :)
[19:20] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: I will do so.
[19:21] <Sarvatt> thanks, will get the email when it shows up and take a look, hopefully its just something easy
[19:21]  * BenHoltz hopes!
 its done take look at it Bug #550396
[19:25] <Sarvatt> thanks Sioux-33, can you attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to it too?
 how?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> click attach a file at the bottom and navigate to /var/log and pick Xorg.0.log.old
[19:29] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: submitted Bug #550405
[19:29] <Sarvatt> hmm it is detecting your trackpad as a ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse
[19:30] <Sarvatt> Sioux-33: looks like you booted with the non working touchpad setup this boot where you filed the bug?
[19:30] <Sioux-33> yes
[19:30] <Sioux-33> i booted 2.6.31.21 pae
[19:31] <Sioux-33> and i attached the xorg old
[19:31] <Sioux-33> just now
[19:32] <Sarvatt> thanks, you're booted to a working setup now right? can you also attach /var/log/dmesg and note its from a working setup as well? sorry to be a pain
[19:32] <Sioux-33> ok one sec
[19:33] <Sarvatt> huh, wait a sec, this could very well be a graphics problem..
[19:33] <Sarvatt> you dont have the proprietary drivers installed for the other kernels
 i use ati card ati hd 4850 and i installed ati catalyst in kernel 2.6.31.20 so i should if i update kernel the same driver in 2.6.31.21?
[19:35] <Sarvatt> did you install it outside of the package manager system Sioux-33?
[19:35] <Sarvatt> thats what it looks like
[19:35] <Sarvatt> when you do that you need to update it manually every time you install a new kernel
 i updated kernel from synaptic and the driver was from ati website 
[19:36] <Sioux-33> so i should boot up 2.6.31.21 and then install ati driver again?
[19:36] <Sarvatt> yeah thats the problem here, its *really* not recommended to install it from the ati website by yourself because it doesn't automatically update when you update your kernel
[19:37] <Sarvatt> yeah, that or uninstall it completely and install the ati driver through system - administration - hardware drivers
[19:37] <Sarvatt> i'd really recommend the latter because that way you wont have to manually update it every time you install a new kernel
[19:37] <Sioux-33> the problem is that in synaptic is just open source driver for ati 
[19:37] <Sioux-33> so thats why i downloaded the one from ati web
[19:38] <Sioux-33> let me try boot up again to 2.6.31.21 and install ati driver ok?
[19:38] <Sarvatt> synaptic isn't what you want, you should have the proprietary drivers available (they're called fglrx) when you go to system - preferences - hardware drivers
[19:38] <Sarvatt> you need to update it for every kernel, switching from generic to generic-pae counts as a new kernel too
[19:39] <Sioux-33> ok brb 3 min 
[19:40] <Sarvatt> that will quickly get old if you switch between generic and generic-pae alot and have karmic-proposed enabled :D
[19:40] <BenHoltz> :)
[19:41] <Sarvatt> BenHoltz: okie taking a look at yours..
[19:41] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: I appreciate your help. :)
[19:42] <Sarvatt> well first thing i noticed is we need to backport http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=3d4b3f257fbbb69c6f236d9803abe54a90d7d434 to 2.9.1 (makes note)
[19:46] <Sarvatt> [   15.576747] [drm:drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module.
[19:46] <Sarvatt> [   15.576793] DRM: Fill_in_dev failed.
[19:47] <BenHoltz> also found a similar message to that in the GdmLog.txt
[19:48] <BenHoltz> No such file or Directory
[19:49] <Sarvatt> ok BenHoltz can you try removing your i915-kms.conf, then edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and add these lines (in this order)
[19:50] <BenHoltz> 10-4
[19:50] <Sarvatt> agpgart
[19:50] <Sarvatt> intel_agp
[19:50] <Sarvatt> drm
[19:50] <Sarvatt> i915
[19:50] <Sarvatt> then sudo update-initramfs -u after
[19:51] <jcristau> that sounds wrong
 i dont know who u are but one thing im sure u are the best man:) i been asking on ubuntu forum then ubuntu channel ubuntu bugs no one know what happen with mousse cursor u should change your nick to albert einstein u are the best man tnx very much i updated driver in 2.6.31.21 pae and everything is working fine 
[19:51] <jcristau> i915 should be loaded automatically, not from /etc/modules
[19:52] <Sarvatt> jcristau: its loading agp then drm then intel_agp then i915 for him and intel_agp needs to be loaded before, trying to get this commit in the lucid kernel because alot of people are having this problem  - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=1f7a6e372e9cb4d749f34c0738d832e6cadb4071
[19:52] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: that is done. i'll give it a spin
[19:53] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: what do you need me to do now?
[19:54] <Sarvatt> no worries Sioux-33, best to file a bug when you have problems like that because we really need to see logs :D
[19:54] <jcristau> Sarvatt: right, i'm just saying drm and i915 don't need to be there
[19:54] <Sarvatt> well reboot and see if its any different, thats just one issue i noticed you having still checking over your logs
[19:55] <jcristau> (the debian kernel has all agp drivers builtin now for that sort of reason)
[19:55] <Sarvatt> not having any luck convincing the kernel guys of that here :D
[19:56] <Sarvatt> gpu modules arent even getting put into the initrd at the moment, boot looks so ugly
[19:56] <jcristau> *shrug* gpu modules don't belong in the initrd
[19:57] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: still not working on the TV, but it loads on the dell monitor.
[19:57] <BenHoltz> still
[19:59] <Sarvatt> BenHoltz: can you install pastebinit and dmesg | pastebinit now?
[20:00] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: sorry kinda a noob with the commands... 
[20:01] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit
[20:01] <Sarvatt> paste that into a terminal
[20:01] <Sarvatt> it'll give you a link to paste here
[20:02] <BenHoltz> sudo apt-get install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit  ok 1 sec
[20:02] <Sarvatt> do you have compiz enabled BenHoltz? does it work if you disable compiz?
[20:03] <BenHoltz> i belive it is enabled, i'll try disabling
[20:03] <benholtz_broken_> http://pastebin.com/NJjieabs
[20:05] <BenHoltz> still not working with compiz disabled.
[20:06] <BenHoltz> ok so here's my feeling, i think its starting in a resolution/refresh rate my tv doesnt like...
[20:06] <Sarvatt> oh its out of sync during boot even, sorry
[20:07] <BenHoltz> i just have no clue how to fix
[20:07] <BenHoltz> yes
[20:07] <BenHoltz> i should have been more clear. ;)
[20:09] <BenHoltz> when i start it with my monitor plugged in, then change the cords to have the tv plugged in it seems to now work, but when i have it start with the tv and plug it into the monitor it is waay huge on the monitor.
[20:09] <Sarvatt> hmm what drm debug level is for mode set logging..
[20:09] <BenHoltz> ??
[20:10] <jcristau> drm.debug=6 should work iirc
[20:11] <Sarvatt> BenHoltz: with the connector setup that is being screwy for you, try holding shift while booting, scrolling down to where you see quiet splash written and add drm.debug=0x04 to it, then do the dmesg | pastebinit again
[20:12] <BenHoltz> ok 1 sec
[20:13] <Sarvatt> or drm.debug=0x06 even, sorry :D
[20:14] <BenHoltz> no dice with holding shift it just reboots just past grub
[20:14] <Sarvatt> 0x06 is DRM_DEBUG_KMS + DRM_DEBUG_DRIVER, driver has hotplug events but i think that might spam too much from the other things
[20:14] <BenHoltz> i'm just in a loop when i hold shift
[20:15] <Sarvatt> oh? well do a sudo nano /etc/default/grub and add the drm.debug=0x06 after quiet splash and sudo update-grub after, just remove it after all of this
[20:15] <BenHoltz> ok 1 min
[20:15] <BenHoltz> i could press esc to edit the grub?
[20:16] <Sarvatt> if that works :D
[20:16] <Sarvatt> you using grub1 or something?
[20:16] <BenHoltz> i'll try that 1 sec
[20:16] <BenHoltz> ??? how do i know?
[20:16] <Sarvatt> how did you edit grub before like you said in the bug? just do it the same way
[20:17] <BenHoltz> i pressed esc then e ten edited that way
[20:17] <Sarvatt> yep just do that then
[20:17] <BenHoltz> add it to the kernel line?
[20:18] <Sarvatt> yep
[20:18] <BenHoltz> ok started up with fail.
[20:19] <BenHoltz> now going to go and get the patebin brb
[20:19] <Sarvatt> wonder why mode sets dont show up in dmesg anymore, could swear they used to
[20:21] <benholtz_broken> http://pastebin.com/WmwCinWy
[20:22] <Sarvatt> it didnt take your extra option
[20:22] <Sarvatt> no drm.debug there
[20:23] <BenHoltz> hmmm... i'll try adding it to the .cfg
[20:26] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: i dont see the quiet flash in /etc/default/grub
[20:26] <BenHoltz> splash*
[20:26] <BenHoltz> wait i see it now
[20:28] <BenHoltz> trying again
[20:32] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: upon looking in grub before its loading it doesnt loook like it took, pastebining now
[20:33] <benholtz_broken> http://pastebin.com/B87g47Qr
[20:37] <BenHoltz> ok i think i might have done it right... lets see here. >_<
[20:39] <Sarvatt> nope :(
[20:39] <BenHoltz> how long does the dmesg stay?
[20:43] <BenHoltz> is it persistant through reboots?
[20:47] <benholtz_broken> Sarvatt: try this one http://pastebin.com/vpyHk10K
[20:49] <BenHoltz> it has stuff that was not befoee.. ;)
[21:01] <BenHoltz> Sarvatt: any clues?
[21:04] <BenHoltz> jcristau: any ideas?
[21:06]  * BenHoltz points gun @ self
[21:11] <BenHoltz> can someone help me?
[21:27] <BenHoltz> ok, i give up....
[21:31] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:15] <Sarvatt> none of those dmesg's had drm.debug set.. couldn't sit here all night :(
[22:27] <Sarvatt> ok so we need some *serious* testing of this xorg.conf.d stuff, tjaalton have you documented every change you've done somewhere? we should set up a wiki page about it to collaborate
[22:32]  * Sarvatt tries to break things
[22:55] <Sarvatt> ok xorg.conf.d stuff installed on 5 machines, lets see how this works out.
[23:21] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: 10-synaptics.conf isn't getting installed, xorg.conf.d is located at /usr/lib/X11/, and the old udev rules are still getting installed in those packages and not removed on upgrade
[23:22] <Sarvatt> only problems I've noticed so far
[23:23] <jcristau> 2 is not a "problem"
[23:23] <Sarvatt> yeah not really, I just thought it was supposed to be in /etc
[23:26] <Sarvatt> other than that it's working like a charm. need to fix up the wacom udev rules and try that out
[23:26] <jcristau> i think it's a bad idea to have the default input config in /etc
[23:26] <jcristau> people can still tweak stuff in xorg.conf
[23:29] <Sarvatt> would be nice if you could add snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as well as the stock ones in /usr/lib/X11
[23:29] <jcristau> that needs more code.
[23:29] <jcristau> but, yes.
[23:29] <Sarvatt> this is a *heck* of a lot better than asking people to do udev rules though
[23:30] <Sarvatt> evtouch probably actually works now! :D
[23:30] <jcristau> that's why i'm telling people to use the gnome dialogs instead, not udev rules.
[23:43] <Sarvatt> if we do pick this up i'll volunteer to go through and translate a ton of old fdi stuff into snippets
[23:44] <jcristau> sigh.  you're shipping a ton of fdi stuff for x config?
[23:47] <Sarvatt> more like I'm trying to be helpful in any way I can, if its not wanted no sweat off my back :)
[23:48] <jcristau> heh ok