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nick253Hi02:22
nick253Anybody there??02:24
_Techie_no, were all on our lunch break02:25
_Techie_just kidding02:25
_Techie_if you need help, just ask02:26
nick253no, it's just that i wanted to know why is so little info about xubuntu on tne web? i've been i fan since some time know and being so close to an LTS release everything is so quiet it's seems like something bad is ging to happen. I don't know maybe i mistaken...02:30
_Techie_nothig bad will happen, before release theres alot of talk and work on ubuntu, this makes it seem like nothing is happening in the world of Xubuntu02:31
nick253hi! anybody know something about the next xubuntu 10.04 release i try looking in the ubuntuforums but there is nothing. thx02:43
gottto!lucid02:44
ubottuLucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule02:44
_Techie_it will be released, dont worry02:44
PingJockyyey!02:45
geniinick253: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/xubuntu-1004-lucid-beta-1-screenshots.html has a small overview with screenshots02:46
nick253ok, is there any site or forum where i can get more info? i know about xfce moving release date to june for xfce 4.8 but not much, and yes i've seen the review on webup8, but i was wandering if it was some specific web or formus for talking xubuntu style, he02:48
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WASasquatchHello everyone. Can someone tell how to find the google chrome cache folder?05:11
WASasquatchI'm at a lost.05:11
blankstaregreetings all, i'm trying to troubleshoot a startup issue - am i wrong in checking /etc/init.d to see what services are actually starting on boot?05:43
Balsaqgood morning to all of you, all of you who give your free time to support the idea of free operating systems....like the awesome OS known as Xubuntu!06:54
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unleyhey there,I can't log in as my regilar user, but CAN as root. I figure something in my user is kaput, what shall i do? can I make a new user and migrate everything across?08:04
geniiunley: This usually indicates screwed permissions in the regular user's home directory, did you try to recursively chown everything in their home dir back to them?08:07
unleyas far as I know, haven't changed permissions08:07
unleyhaven't made new user account yet08:08
geniiunley: If for instance your users name is "fred" I would suggest:  chown -R fred:fred /home/fred        (sudo usually but since you seem able to logon as root, not here). Then try to do regular user's login again08:09
unleywhat does that do?08:10
unleychown08:10
geniiunley: CHanges OWNership08:11
unleysorry, I wasn't clear08:11
unleyhang on08:11
unleyfred:fred part?08:12
geniiunley: user:group08:12
geniiunley: If your user was named thelma  use thelma:thelma instead, etcetera08:13
unleyI see no group with my user name though08:14
unleyno wait08:14
unleyI do08:14
geniiunley: usernames get assigned a group with the same name as their username by default08:15
unley"sudo usually but since you seem able to logon as root, not here"   this part I don't understand08:15
geniiunley: I was making a remark that (X)ubuntu is made to normally use "sudo" to run system commands/admin things and to never login as root. But since you are already on as root (you say) then the need to use sudo has been bypassed08:17
unleyaha08:19
unleyso, just so I'm clear...it changes the ownership of /home/mal (me) to the mal group and mal user08:20
geniiunley: Yes, recursively ( all the subdirectories and so on as well, when used with the -R )08:20
unleyaha08:21
unleyI'll give it a shot, thanx08:22
geniiunley: If you ran something before as root when in /home/mal  then some files may be owned there now by root and not by it's regular user. this will repair that08:22
unleyok08:22
unleyit's strange though, cos logging in would take 2 tries, maybe 10 the next time, but now, not at all08:23
unleyi'm trying to log in now, back soon08:24
* genii prepares some stronger coffee08:25
homebrewcidergenii, you there?08:30
geniihomebrewcider: Marginally, but yes08:30
homebrewciderI was "unley" before, I'm in under my regular user, but it took 3 attampts08:31
_Techie_welcome back homebrewcide/unley08:31
homebrewciderso, I must have another problem?08:31
geniihomebrewcider: Sometimes multiple login failure can be the order of your authentication methods for gdm/kdm/xdm Did you mess with any PAM modules lately? (adding stuff like possibly LDAP or Kerberos, etc)08:33
homebrewcidernot that I'm aware of08:33
homebrewcideris there a log I can check?08:33
geniihomebrewcider: It's extremely long one, but yes. /var/log/dpkg.log08:34
homebrewciderthere's few entries there saying "half-installed...."08:36
homebrewciderI would've thought that's not good08:36
geniihomebrewcider: Which login manager are you using? gdm?08:39
homebrewciderhow would I find out08:40
homebrewciderI have no idea, sorry08:40
homebrewciderthere's a gdm folder in /var08:41
geniihomebrewcider: Perhaps use pastebin to show us the contents of file: /etc/pam.d/gdm08:41
homebrewciderhttp://pastebin.ca/185443108:44
geniihomebrewcider: Reading08:44
homebrewciderok08:47
geniihomebrewcider: Hm. I'd like to suggest for the time being comment out the lines: 6,8,11 and 12   (eg, put a # at the start of those lines) and then do a logout/login and see if it takes again 3 tries or less this time08:50
geniieg: gksudo mousepad /etc/pam.d/gdm        do the changes, save, etc08:52
geniihomebrewcider: It is getting to be almost 4am here in my timezone, so I will soon be heading to bed. If I go /away you'll know thats where I went :)08:54
homebrewcidercheers08:55
homebrewcidergenii, logged in first time08:57
homebrewciderthanks a million for all your help, got time to explain what that did?08:58
geniihomebrewcider: I'm suspecting something in your gnome keyring then. But this is only a suspicion.08:58
homebrewciderah08:58
homebrewciderokay08:58
homebrewciderget to bed08:59
homebrewciderthanks again08:59
geniihomebrewcider: If you're around tomorrow or day after I'll give a more detailed explanation of what it's about if you like08:59
homebrewciderokay cool08:59
geniiGnite08:59
rofl__i vaguely remember having read something about the new intel cpus with integrated graphics are not supported by linux yet11:37
rofl__is it so ?11:37
psycho_oreosI dunno, does that matter?11:39
gotttofrom a quick google it seems not yet11:40
sofiashi everyone13:15
hatake_kakashihi13:17
sofiasi have xubuntu on my laptop which has a 4 GB SSD and a 160 GB HDD, xubuntu is installed on th hdd13:17
sofiason the ssd i mean13:18
sofiasbut currently i am kinda running out of space in /13:18
hatake_kakashipastebin (not paste) your df -h output13:19
sofiasi plan to move /home and /tmp to the hdd, but i dont know how..13:20
hatake_kakashiahh those are easy13:20
hatake_kakashiyou can either repartition the 160GB or just make two directories, which fs is it sitting on?13:21
sofiashttp://pastebin.com/HQ3gCVvy13:21
hatake_kakashiyeah most of it I can see is in your /home partition/directory13:22
sofiasits all ext4 iirc13:22
hatake_kakashipastebin the output of mount13:22
sofiashttp://pastebin.com/XLeVbV0F13:24
hatake_kakashiseems like 160GB is set to ext3 but that's ok13:25
hatake_kakashinow you have two choices, you can either create partitions on 160GB or you create directories13:26
sofiasi would intuitively choose partitions ^^13:27
hatake_kakashicreating partitions is really ideal imo as it will prevent accidental deleting thus allows you to experiment with different fs which maybe more ideal13:27
hatake_kakashiaha nice :) so you'll need to use something like gparted13:27
hatake_kakashimake sure that the 160GB isn't mounted13:28
sofiasunmounted it13:29
hatake_kakashiseems like gparted isn't included in my setup of xubuntu13:30
hatake_kakashiso I'm presuming a similar case with yours and you can easily obtain it via synaptic for example13:31
sofiasdammit, gpartet cannot be started b ecause of some authorisation-file thingy13:31
hatake_kakashiahh you'll need gksu13:31
hatake_kakashithat'll prompt you admin rights then execute the program as root13:31
sofiasi think it's becaus my / has 0 byte left :/13:32
hatake_kakashihmm well the other way to look at it is to mount that 160GB temporarily, move the private stuff across first13:33
sofiasjust running bleachbit wait a sec13:33
hatake_kakashiok13:33
sofiasso gpartedis running13:37
hatake_kakashiyou know how to use it?13:37
sofiasyeah13:37
hatake_kakashiok :)13:38
sofiasi think 2 GB /tmp should be enough for everyone, right? :P13:38
hatake_kakashiyup13:38
hatake_kakashiand I'd probably use reiserfs13:38
sealivehi .There is a green install at the folder how can i install this?13:39
sofiasah ok13:39
sealivexbuntu hardy13:39
hatake_kakashimostly /tmp creates small files so reiserfs would be good for that13:39
hatake_kakashisealive, green install at the folder?13:39
sealiveerror says install --help13:39
sealivei want to iinstall from a tar eagle old version13:40
sofiasisn't ext2 even faster than reiser.. i don't know if /tmp really needs journaling..13:40
hatake_kakashiso we're looking at a file right?13:40
sealiveyes13:40
hatake_kakashisofias, yes but that would need sanity checks iirc13:41
hatake_kakashisealive, I'd run file on that file13:41
sofiashm ok..13:41
sealivefile install13:41
sealiveposix shell script text executable13:42
hatake_kakashisealive, no no.. file is a command that is meant to run in console.. so you'll need to fire up terminal and navigate to the actual file itself and issue the command "file foo"13:42
hatake_kakashiahh13:42
hatake_kakashiwell you'll need to set execute bits to it and then run it via sh I suppose13:42
sealivesudo chmod 755 install13:43
sealivesudo sh install ?13:44
hatake_kakashisealive, or you can use bash instead of sh13:44
hatake_kakashiI'd probably chmod it to 70013:44
sofiaswould it he sensible to put /tmp on an lower place? i heard hdds are faster there..13:45
sealivedo i need the sudo commond for the sh ?13:45
sealivecause the programm useses user scrips so i can change them without runing under sudo?13:46
hatake_kakashisofias, you mean the actual partition itself? heh I'm not too sure personally myself but on a normal disc (not hard disk) data is written from the outer edges first before moving in13:46
sealiveotherwise they may be not reatcheble13:46
hatake_kakashisealive, yes you'll need root permissions to install it system-wide13:46
hatake_kakashisofias, so in theory if that's the case /tmp should probably be allocated to the more rear end of the disk13:47
sofiasbut when i create /tmp and /home as partitions, wouldn't there occor some conflicts or something?13:51
hatake_kakashino I don't expect that to happen, and it is generally easily resolved13:52
sofiasok, cool13:52
hatake_kakashiyou got to remember its not the partitions that determines the directories but the mount points themselves13:53
hatake_kakashithat's the point where you accurately define which partition is mounted to where in the / hierarchy13:53
* sofias is hitting the big red "apply" switch13:54
javiNewLinuxeroI can't see shared folders of windows 7 from xubuntu in a LAN. From windows 7 I can see shared folder from xubuntu ¿?13:54
sealivei got it to work thanks hatake_kakashi13:55
hatake_kakashisealive, no worries13:55
hatake_kakashisofias, just make sure that 160GB is umounted (which I'm sure you already have) first or it'll chuck an error :)13:55
hatake_kakashijaviNewLinuxero, sounds like windows firewall13:56
sofiasit is ;)13:56
hatake_kakashisofias, once its done, its just a matter of migrating the data across, setting up /etc/fstab and double-checking to see if it all works13:57
javiNewLinuxerohatake_kakashi I control the windows firewall by myself, with eset smart s. and isn't a firewall problem13:59
hatake_kakashijaviNewLinuxero, well I'd try seeing if I can enumerate windows shares14:00
hatake_kakashiprobably with something like smbtree14:00
javiNewLinuxerook, I see the workgroup CASA, the \\xubuntu computer with their prints and IPC Service, and the \\SERVER comp. wich is the windows 7 computer14:04
hatake_kakashiwell it should have stuff under \\SERVER, if not maybe \\SERVER is not sharing anything or they are hidden shares14:05
javiNewLinuxerook, I understand. Then now turn on the laptop and smbtree again to see the same with a new computer on lan. Results the same before and \\SONYVAIO too, wich is the laptop but here say "failed negprot: ERRnomem" ¿?14:13
hatake_kakashiI think it takes a bit before the vaio picks up windows shares.. not sure how windows shares work exactly anyway.. they have intervals for advertisement of shares14:16
javiNewLinuxeroThan you hatake_kakashi. I'll restart and retry :-)14:20
* sofias takes a shower while gparted moves teh shit around14:34
abhisekhi, ive trawled websites for solutions to this problem.  when i use skype, people on the other side hear me very faintly.  anyone knows how to solve this?15:03
mvhi all I am new to xubuntu and recently switched to the environment from gnome, but i did so through the lucid upgrade and now my alt-key is not working correctly any tips on solving this? I have a Macbook 1,116:58
gopher1970hello everyone17:03
Sysimv: have you checked keyboard settings?17:05
mvI tried but the options are minimal I have it set to the macbook US as I did under gnome but nothing else is different or really customizable unless I am missing an app17:07
mvessentially custom layout is not an option in xubuntu or even the third level key setting found in gnome17:12
charlie-tcaIt just isn't as easy as gnome, I have a third level key set to right control in Xubuntu17:13
Sysixmodmap?17:14
mvSysi where do I get that app I don't see it in repo17:15
charlie-tcaI set it in /etc/default/console-setup17:15
Sysixmodmap isn't application actyallu17:15
charlie-tcaAlso can be set using the panel add -- Keyboard layouts17:16
mvcharlie-tca the funny thing is that when I load the layout in panel it gives left alt as the way to change layouts and that's the key I can't get to work17:18
mvSysi is there a howto for the xmodmap i have it up in console but don't know how to use it17:18
charlie-tcaIf you are using 2nd level, left alt may be assigned already.17:19
mvwhat is 2nd level? hate to be a newbie on irc but I sort of em17:19
charlie-tcano, normally left alt is Meta, right alt is assigned to super17:19
charlie-tcathen you can't reassign left alt because it would leave you without a ALT / Meta key17:20
mvwell I could me my apple-key into meta but i don't know how to do that (you are correct gnome is a bit easier on that front)17:21
charlie-tcaShift is first level, Alt is second level,17:21
mvahh I see17:21
mvso 2nd level works with most keys (i.e. ctrl, shift etc) but not with alt17:21
charlie-tcaI think that has to do with the automatic key assignments17:22
mvi see...well this is quite challenging, but I am up for the task...I'd think the macbook layout would work, but I am wondering if any thing is lingering from switching from gnome cause i did have some custome keyboard things done there, but I removed gnome completely17:25
mvI may have found something to work with xkeycaps graphic version of xmodmap17:27
mvthat didn't seem to do it as my keyboard was not an option to select17:33
mvalright well for the moment I am installing gnome er ubuntu-desktop to have it as a backup environment17:44
mvI'll be back here if I need to thanks Charlie-trc and Sysi for the help much appreciated :)17:46
vixushas anyone managed to change their gdm login theme?17:48
vixusin karmic i mean17:49
=== Nathan`- is now known as Nathan`
sofiashi again18:27
sofiasi now created the partitons for /tmp and /home, but i guess i have to 'migrate' now..18:29
sofiasso, if someone knows how this works: i'm listening ;)18:30
rofl__sorry, can someone paste what was answered to my question about the new INTEL cpus with integrated graphics ?18:32
rofl__2-3 h ago, its out of my chat window due to netsplit spam18:33
rofl__the question was:18:34
rofl__sorry, can someone paste what was answered to my question about the new INTEL cpus with integrated graphics ?18:34
rofl__i vaguely remember having read something about the new intel cpus with integrated graphics are not supported by linux yet18:34
rofl__is it so ?18:34
rofl__*damn small screen*18:36
sara_Hi! im wondering if its possible to add a mac style menu bar to my copmuter. im talking about the one withthe icons that pop up as you run the mouse over therm18:42
sofias@sara you mean the dock18:43
sofias?18:43
sara_maybe.. Its the thing at the bottom of hte screen here:http://machaters.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/Picture%201.jpg18:43
sofias@sara yes, that's the dock18:44
sofiasi am looking for something like this (more like in win7 to be exact) for xfce myself..18:46
sara_so thers no current options for anything like it for xfce?18:47
sofias@sara i found this.. but it's for gnome.. http://GNOME-Look.org/content/show.php/DockbarX?content=10160418:50
sofiasand it has no thumbnails..18:51
Sysi !dock18:52
Sysino..18:52
Sysibut there are some, gnome do, docky, an avan window navigator18:52
Sysii'm not sure if dockbarx was working straight with xfce, if it is, i'll get it18:53
Sysi*and avant window navigator, sorru18:54
root____hi again..19:22
TheSheepI hope you are not irc-ing from root19:23
root____i would like not to ._.19:24
root____but i could change my nick that people dont see how stupid i am :P19:25
root____well .. i mounted my new /home but it is empty..19:26
root____so i can only work as root..19:27
TheSheepunmount it, rename the old home, make a new /home directory, mount it and then copy the contents of old home to new home19:29
root____can i simply unmount the partition, mount it with another name, move the whole shit into there, and everything is fine?19:29
TheSheepyes, just make sure the ownership of files is correct19:29
root____ok thank you..19:29
TheSheepusually something like  chown -R charlie.charlie /home/charlie  should do it19:30
root____does it matter that my /home is encrypted somehow?19:31
root____at least ubuntu said that it has encrypted it, however it seems to be no problem to acces everything as root19:33
root____with "as root" i mean via sudo19:34
root____i will just try it..19:37
root____._.19:51
root____seems like my ~home was encrypted19:52
root____i moved everything19:52
root____well.. i could try to move it back.. dammit i'm a genius..19:53
root____cu19:53
TheSheepoops19:59
root____FUCK!20:07
root____i cannot unmount /home because it is used by bash! what a sick game is this?20:08
root____it worked well before i copied the shit..20:09
root____how can i stop bash from locking /home ?20:10
root____sorry for my possibly rude language.. it just sucks to use irssi as root again and again ._.20:12
root____TheSheep: can you please help me?20:14
root____i guess i annoy you :/20:16
TheSheeproot____: no, sorry, I was away20:20
TheSheepcd out of the /home20:20
TheSheepcd /20:20
AquinaIs it possible to cause a GNU/linux system to hang (become totally unresponsive) when unmounting swap and using few megs of RAM (exhausted)?20:31
TheSheepit will start killing random processes when it runs out of ram20:32
TheSheepit may kill something from your gui that's needed to be responsive20:32
TheSheepmay also kill a ssh server or such20:33
TheSheepI'd rather make a swap file, enable it, and then disable the other swap20:34
AquinaI did so, thanks TheSheep. Nevertheless I had to go to tty1 and kill processes.20:39
sofiaswell, still irssi but no more root20:40
sofiasseems that bash locked /home because it was in it20:41
sofiasi don't know why it locks it but that doesn't really matter20:41
TheSheepall programs do20:42
sofiasmy ~ is back in it's full glory, but i cannot log in with X for some reason20:43
sofiasTheSheep: well thunar didn't stop unmounting so far..20:44
TheSheepah, that's because thunar has special code that makes it move out of the way before unmounting20:44
sofiasbash should have that too :P20:45
Aquinabash locks home? how does that work?20:45
sofiasanyway, is there a way to get these error messages that quickly appear and disappear when i try to log in with gdm?20:46
sofiasAquina: i was in /home as i tryed to unmount it20:46
TheSheep/var/log/Xsomething and ~/.xsessionerrors20:47
TheSheepyou can cut the branch on which you sit20:47
TheSheepcan't20:47
sofiasstupid gravity :P20:48
TheSheepbe glad you never had to compile a compiler :)20:48
sofiasTheSheep: you should know that i don't believe in compilers :P20:50
TheSheepyou write all machine code by hand?20:50
Aquinaah I see...20:50
sofiasTheSheep: all binary are written of monks with hex editors :P20:51
TheSheepsofias: exactly, they are called compilers :)20:52
sofiasTheSheep: make is just a program to generate random error messages, as far as i am concerned :P20:52
TheSheepsofias: that's java20:52
TheSheepsofias: it sometimes produces binary code as a side effect though20:52
sofiasTheSheep: but at least java programs tend to independently of operating system, distribution and moon phase ;)20:54
TheSheepsofias: you don't realize how untrue that is :)20:55
sofiasTheSheep: true enough to convince me ;)20:56
sofiasTheSheep: mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission dinied21:04
TheSheepsofias: same to you21:05
sofiasTheSheep: i'm full of shame, what's next? ;)21:06
sofiasoh sou said same21:06
TheSheepI have no idea what you are doing21:07
AquinaSomeone got a clue about "PCI Latency Timer" (range 32-248) in BIOS? Can't find good literature about it.21:07
sofiasTheSheep: i found that in my ~/.xsession-whatever21:08
TheSheepAquina: I'd ask on ##hardware21:08
TheSheepsofias: are you investigating some particular program refusing to work?21:09
sofiasTheSheep: sorta, i cannot login with X, remenber? :P21:10
Aquinathx21:10
TheSheepsofias: I think I wasn't here when you started21:10
TheSheepsofias: and I have to run now, sorry21:11
sofiasTheSheep: hm, ok bye21:11
Aquinayou cannot login with X because of that /home mount problem? Does it refer to that option you can set in GDM?21:11
sofiasAquina: well i think i fixed /home (by stop trying to move it to a seperate partition), i dont know what's the thing with X21:13
sofiasAquina: TheSheep said i should look in the logs and there was the mkdtemp-stuff21:16
sofiasmaybe it's because /tmp is still a sepereate partition..21:17
sofiasi could unmount it as well but then i am exactly where i started..21:19
sofias(things worked as i started, just my / was pretty full, so i tryed to move some stuff to another disk..)21:21
sofiaswell, i removed the /tmp -partition from fstab now, let's see what happens21:23
sofiasyay, i have X back21:27
gotttowell done :)21:29
sofiasyeah, the only problem is that would loke to have /tmp on a spereate disk..21:30
sofiaswell, i think i will care about that next weak or so..21:30
gotttok21:32
sofiasbtw: is there a way to _publish_ my files with ubuntu one?21:36
sofias"sharing" seems only to mean something like "send it per mail"21:37
sofiasbut i thought publishing was the whole point of it..21:37
Aquina:-)21:40
sofiasbye22:07
=== nikolam_ is now known as nikolam
Ferrenrockhey guys, anyone know how to change my default sound from the HDMI of a gfx card to the onboard sound?23:14
Ferrenrocki'll try the main ubuntu channel23:16
homebrewcidergenii, you there?23:42
rdvonzI'm having trouble configuring my monitor resolution to its native 1280x1024. It's currently stuck at 800x60023:45
rdvonzIt used to work fine however, this is a recent problem.23:45
rdvonzHow do I stop xfce and drop to console only?23:48

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