[02:22] Hi [02:24] Anybody there?? [02:25] <_Techie_> no, were all on our lunch break [02:25] <_Techie_> just kidding [02:26] <_Techie_> if you need help, just ask [02:30] no, it's just that i wanted to know why is so little info about xubuntu on tne web? i've been i fan since some time know and being so close to an LTS release everything is so quiet it's seems like something bad is ging to happen. I don't know maybe i mistaken... [02:31] <_Techie_> nothig bad will happen, before release theres alot of talk and work on ubuntu, this makes it seem like nothing is happening in the world of Xubuntu [02:43] hi! anybody know something about the next xubuntu 10.04 release i try looking in the ubuntuforums but there is nothing. thx [02:44] !lucid [02:44] Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [02:44] <_Techie_> it will be released, dont worry [02:45] yey! [02:46] nick253: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/xubuntu-1004-lucid-beta-1-screenshots.html has a small overview with screenshots [02:48] ok, is there any site or forum where i can get more info? i know about xfce moving release date to june for xfce 4.8 but not much, and yes i've seen the review on webup8, but i was wandering if it was some specific web or formus for talking xubuntu style, he === nikolam__ is now known as nikolam [05:11] Hello everyone. Can someone tell how to find the google chrome cache folder? [05:11] I'm at a lost. [05:43] greetings all, i'm trying to troubleshoot a startup issue - am i wrong in checking /etc/init.d to see what services are actually starting on boot? [06:54] good morning to all of you, all of you who give your free time to support the idea of free operating systems....like the awesome OS known as Xubuntu! === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [08:04] hey there,I can't log in as my regilar user, but CAN as root. I figure something in my user is kaput, what shall i do? can I make a new user and migrate everything across? [08:07] unley: This usually indicates screwed permissions in the regular user's home directory, did you try to recursively chown everything in their home dir back to them? [08:07] as far as I know, haven't changed permissions [08:08] haven't made new user account yet [08:09] unley: If for instance your users name is "fred" I would suggest: chown -R fred:fred /home/fred (sudo usually but since you seem able to logon as root, not here). Then try to do regular user's login again [08:10] what does that do? [08:10] chown [08:11] unley: CHanges OWNership [08:11] sorry, I wasn't clear [08:11] hang on [08:12] fred:fred part? [08:12] unley: user:group [08:13] unley: If your user was named thelma use thelma:thelma instead, etcetera [08:14] I see no group with my user name though [08:14] no wait [08:14] I do [08:15] unley: usernames get assigned a group with the same name as their username by default [08:15] "sudo usually but since you seem able to logon as root, not here" this part I don't understand [08:17] unley: I was making a remark that (X)ubuntu is made to normally use "sudo" to run system commands/admin things and to never login as root. But since you are already on as root (you say) then the need to use sudo has been bypassed [08:19] aha [08:20] so, just so I'm clear...it changes the ownership of /home/mal (me) to the mal group and mal user [08:20] unley: Yes, recursively ( all the subdirectories and so on as well, when used with the -R ) [08:21] aha [08:22] I'll give it a shot, thanx [08:22] unley: If you ran something before as root when in /home/mal then some files may be owned there now by root and not by it's regular user. this will repair that [08:22] ok [08:23] it's strange though, cos logging in would take 2 tries, maybe 10 the next time, but now, not at all [08:24] i'm trying to log in now, back soon [08:25] * genii prepares some stronger coffee [08:30] genii, you there? [08:30] homebrewcider: Marginally, but yes [08:31] I was "unley" before, I'm in under my regular user, but it took 3 attampts [08:31] <_Techie_> welcome back homebrewcide/unley [08:31] so, I must have another problem? [08:33] homebrewcider: Sometimes multiple login failure can be the order of your authentication methods for gdm/kdm/xdm Did you mess with any PAM modules lately? (adding stuff like possibly LDAP or Kerberos, etc) [08:33] not that I'm aware of [08:33] is there a log I can check? [08:34] homebrewcider: It's extremely long one, but yes. /var/log/dpkg.log [08:36] there's few entries there saying "half-installed...." [08:36] I would've thought that's not good [08:39] homebrewcider: Which login manager are you using? gdm? [08:40] how would I find out [08:40] I have no idea, sorry [08:41] there's a gdm folder in /var [08:41] homebrewcider: Perhaps use pastebin to show us the contents of file: /etc/pam.d/gdm [08:44] http://pastebin.ca/1854431 [08:44] homebrewcider: Reading [08:47] ok [08:50] homebrewcider: Hm. I'd like to suggest for the time being comment out the lines: 6,8,11 and 12 (eg, put a # at the start of those lines) and then do a logout/login and see if it takes again 3 tries or less this time [08:52] eg: gksudo mousepad /etc/pam.d/gdm do the changes, save, etc [08:54] homebrewcider: It is getting to be almost 4am here in my timezone, so I will soon be heading to bed. If I go /away you'll know thats where I went :) [08:55] cheers [08:57] genii, logged in first time [08:58] thanks a million for all your help, got time to explain what that did? [08:58] homebrewcider: I'm suspecting something in your gnome keyring then. But this is only a suspicion. [08:58] ah [08:58] okay [08:59] get to bed [08:59] thanks again [08:59] homebrewcider: If you're around tomorrow or day after I'll give a more detailed explanation of what it's about if you like [08:59] okay cool [08:59] Gnite [11:37] i vaguely remember having read something about the new intel cpus with integrated graphics are not supported by linux yet [11:37] is it so ? [11:39] I dunno, does that matter? [11:40] from a quick google it seems not yet [13:15] hi everyone [13:17] hi [13:17] i have xubuntu on my laptop which has a 4 GB SSD and a 160 GB HDD, xubuntu is installed on th hdd [13:18] on the ssd i mean [13:18] but currently i am kinda running out of space in / [13:19] pastebin (not paste) your df -h output [13:20] i plan to move /home and /tmp to the hdd, but i dont know how.. [13:20] ahh those are easy [13:21] you can either repartition the 160GB or just make two directories, which fs is it sitting on? [13:21] http://pastebin.com/HQ3gCVvy [13:22] yeah most of it I can see is in your /home partition/directory [13:22] its all ext4 iirc [13:22] pastebin the output of mount [13:24] http://pastebin.com/XLeVbV0F [13:25] seems like 160GB is set to ext3 but that's ok [13:26] now you have two choices, you can either create partitions on 160GB or you create directories [13:27] i would intuitively choose partitions ^^ [13:27] creating partitions is really ideal imo as it will prevent accidental deleting thus allows you to experiment with different fs which maybe more ideal [13:27] aha nice :) so you'll need to use something like gparted [13:28] make sure that the 160GB isn't mounted [13:29] unmounted it [13:30] seems like gparted isn't included in my setup of xubuntu [13:31] so I'm presuming a similar case with yours and you can easily obtain it via synaptic for example [13:31] dammit, gpartet cannot be started b ecause of some authorisation-file thingy [13:31] ahh you'll need gksu [13:31] that'll prompt you admin rights then execute the program as root [13:32] i think it's becaus my / has 0 byte left :/ [13:33] hmm well the other way to look at it is to mount that 160GB temporarily, move the private stuff across first [13:33] just running bleachbit wait a sec [13:33] ok [13:37] so gpartedis running [13:37] you know how to use it? [13:37] yeah [13:38] ok :) [13:38] i think 2 GB /tmp should be enough for everyone, right? :P [13:38] yup [13:38] and I'd probably use reiserfs [13:39] hi .There is a green install at the folder how can i install this? [13:39] ah ok [13:39] xbuntu hardy [13:39] mostly /tmp creates small files so reiserfs would be good for that [13:39] sealive, green install at the folder? [13:39] error says install --help [13:40] i want to iinstall from a tar eagle old version [13:40] isn't ext2 even faster than reiser.. i don't know if /tmp really needs journaling.. [13:40] so we're looking at a file right? [13:40] yes [13:41] sofias, yes but that would need sanity checks iirc [13:41] sealive, I'd run file on that file [13:41] hm ok.. [13:41] file install [13:42] posix shell script text executable [13:42] sealive, no no.. file is a command that is meant to run in console.. so you'll need to fire up terminal and navigate to the actual file itself and issue the command "file foo" [13:42] ahh [13:42] well you'll need to set execute bits to it and then run it via sh I　suppose [13:43] sudo chmod 755 install [13:44] sudo sh install ? [13:44] sealive, or you can use bash instead of sh [13:44] I'd probably chmod it to 700 [13:45] would it he sensible to put /tmp on an lower place? i heard hdds are faster there.. [13:45] do i need the sudo commond for the sh ? [13:46] cause the programm useses user scrips so i can change them without runing under sudo? [13:46] sofias, you mean the actual partition itself? heh I'm not too sure personally myself but on a normal disc (not hard disk) data is written from the outer edges first before moving in [13:46] otherwise they may be not reatcheble [13:46] sealive, yes you'll need root permissions to install it system-wide [13:47] sofias, so in theory if that's the case /tmp should probably be allocated to the more rear end of the disk [13:51] but when i create /tmp and /home as partitions, wouldn't there occor some conflicts or something? [13:52] no I don't expect that to happen, and it is generally easily resolved [13:52] ok, cool [13:53] you got to remember its not the partitions that determines the directories but the mount points themselves [13:53] that's the point where you accurately define which partition is mounted to where in the / hierarchy [13:54] * sofias is hitting the big red "apply" switch [13:54] I can't see shared folders of windows 7 from xubuntu in a LAN. From windows 7 I can see shared folder from xubuntu ¿? [13:55] i got it to work thanks hatake_kakashi [13:55] sealive, no worries [13:55] sofias, just make sure that 160GB is umounted (which I'm sure you already have) first or it'll chuck an error :) [13:56] javiNewLinuxero, sounds like windows firewall [13:56] it is ;) [13:57] sofias, once its done, its just a matter of migrating the data across, setting up /etc/fstab and double-checking to see if it all works [13:59] hatake_kakashi I control the windows firewall by myself, with eset smart s. and isn't a firewall problem [14:00] javiNewLinuxero, well I'd try seeing if I can enumerate windows shares [14:00] probably with something like smbtree [14:04] ok, I see the workgroup CASA, the \\xubuntu computer with their prints and IPC Service, and the \\SERVER comp. wich is the windows 7 computer [14:05] well it should have stuff under \\SERVER, if not maybe \\SERVER is not sharing anything or they are hidden shares [14:13] ok, I understand. Then now turn on the laptop and smbtree again to see the same with a new computer on lan. Results the same before and \\SONYVAIO too, wich is the laptop but here say "failed negprot: ERRnomem" ¿? [14:16] I think it takes a bit before the vaio picks up windows shares.. not sure how windows shares work exactly anyway.. they have intervals for advertisement of shares [14:20] Than you hatake_kakashi. I'll restart and retry :-) [14:34] * sofias takes a shower while gparted moves teh shit around [15:03] hi, ive trawled websites for solutions to this problem. when i use skype, people on the other side hear me very faintly. anyone knows how to solve this? [16:58] hi all I am new to xubuntu and recently switched to the environment from gnome, but i did so through the lucid upgrade and now my alt-key is not working correctly any tips on solving this? I have a Macbook 1,1 [17:03] hello everyone [17:05] mv: have you checked keyboard settings? [17:07] I tried but the options are minimal I have it set to the macbook US as I did under gnome but nothing else is different or really customizable unless I am missing an app [17:12] essentially custom layout is not an option in xubuntu or even the third level key setting found in gnome [17:13] It just isn't as easy as gnome, I have a third level key set to right control in Xubuntu [17:14] xmodmap? [17:15] Sysi where do I get that app I don't see it in repo [17:15] I set it in /etc/default/console-setup [17:15] xmodmap isn't application actyallu [17:16] Also can be set using the panel add -- Keyboard layouts [17:18] charlie-tca the funny thing is that when I load the layout in panel it gives left alt as the way to change layouts and that's the key I can't get to work [17:18] Sysi is there a howto for the xmodmap i have it up in console but don't know how to use it [17:19] If you are using 2nd level, left alt may be assigned already. [17:19] what is 2nd level? hate to be a newbie on irc but I sort of em [17:19] no, normally left alt is Meta, right alt is assigned to super [17:20] then you can't reassign left alt because it would leave you without a ALT / Meta key [17:21] well I could me my apple-key into meta but i don't know how to do that (you are correct gnome is a bit easier on that front) [17:21] Shift is first level, Alt is second level, [17:21] ahh I see [17:21] so 2nd level works with most keys (i.e. ctrl, shift etc) but not with alt [17:22] I think that has to do with the automatic key assignments [17:25] i see...well this is quite challenging, but I am up for the task...I'd think the macbook layout would work, but I am wondering if any thing is lingering from switching from gnome cause i did have some custome keyboard things done there, but I removed gnome completely [17:27] I may have found something to work with xkeycaps graphic version of xmodmap [17:33] that didn't seem to do it as my keyboard was not an option to select [17:44] alright well for the moment I am installing gnome er ubuntu-desktop to have it as a backup environment [17:46] I'll be back here if I need to thanks Charlie-trc and Sysi for the help much appreciated :) [17:48] has anyone managed to change their gdm login theme? [17:49] in karmic i mean === Nathan`- is now known as Nathan` [18:27] hi again [18:29] i now created the partitons for /tmp and /home, but i guess i have to 'migrate' now.. [18:30] so, if someone knows how this works: i'm listening ;) [18:32] sorry, can someone paste what was answered to my question about the new INTEL cpus with integrated graphics ? [18:33] 2-3 h ago, its out of my chat window due to netsplit spam [18:34] the question was: [18:34] sorry, can someone paste what was answered to my question about the new INTEL cpus with integrated graphics ? [18:34] i vaguely remember having read something about the new intel cpus with integrated graphics are not supported by linux yet [18:34] is it so ? [18:36] *damn small screen* [18:42] Hi! im wondering if its possible to add a mac style menu bar to my copmuter. im talking about the one withthe icons that pop up as you run the mouse over therm [18:43] @sara you mean the dock [18:43] ? [18:43] maybe.. Its the thing at the bottom of hte screen here:http://machaters.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/Picture%201.jpg [18:44] @sara yes, that's the dock [18:46] i am looking for something like this (more like in win7 to be exact) for xfce myself.. [18:47] so thers no current options for anything like it for xfce? [18:50] @sara i found this.. but it's for gnome.. http://GNOME-Look.org/content/show.php/DockbarX?content=101604 [18:51] and it has no thumbnails.. [18:52] !dock [18:52] no.. [18:52] but there are some, gnome do, docky, an avan window navigator [18:53] i'm not sure if dockbarx was working straight with xfce, if it is, i'll get it [18:54] *and avant window navigator, sorru [19:22] hi again.. [19:23] I hope you are not irc-ing from root [19:24] i would like not to ._. [19:25] but i could change my nick that people dont see how stupid i am :P [19:26] well .. i mounted my new /home but it is empty.. [19:27] so i can only work as root.. [19:29] unmount it, rename the old home, make a new /home directory, mount it and then copy the contents of old home to new home [19:29] can i simply unmount the partition, mount it with another name, move the whole shit into there, and everything is fine? [19:29] yes, just make sure the ownership of files is correct [19:29] ok thank you.. [19:30] usually something like chown -R charlie.charlie /home/charlie should do it [19:31] does it matter that my /home is encrypted somehow? [19:33] at least ubuntu said that it has encrypted it, however it seems to be no problem to acces everything as root [19:34] with "as root" i mean via sudo [19:37] i will just try it.. [19:51] ._. [19:52] seems like my ~home was encrypted [19:52] i moved everything [19:53] well.. i could try to move it back.. dammit i'm a genius.. [19:53] cu [19:59] oops [20:07] FUCK! [20:08] i cannot unmount /home because it is used by bash! what a sick game is this? [20:09] it worked well before i copied the shit.. [20:10] how can i stop bash from locking /home ? [20:12] sorry for my possibly rude language.. it just sucks to use irssi as root again and again ._. [20:14] TheSheep: can you please help me? [20:16] i guess i annoy you :/ [20:20] root____: no, sorry, I was away [20:20] cd out of the /home [20:20] cd / [20:31] Is it possible to cause a GNU/linux system to hang (become totally unresponsive) when unmounting swap and using few megs of RAM (exhausted)? [20:32] it will start killing random processes when it runs out of ram [20:32] it may kill something from your gui that's needed to be responsive [20:33] may also kill a ssh server or such [20:34] I'd rather make a swap file, enable it, and then disable the other swap [20:39] I did so, thanks TheSheep. Nevertheless I had to go to tty1 and kill processes. [20:40] well, still irssi but no more root [20:41] seems that bash locked /home because it was in it [20:41] i don't know why it locks it but that doesn't really matter [20:42] all programs do [20:43] my ~ is back in it's full glory, but i cannot log in with X for some reason [20:44] TheSheep: well thunar didn't stop unmounting so far.. [20:44] ah, that's because thunar has special code that makes it move out of the way before unmounting [20:45] bash should have that too :P [20:45] bash locks home? how does that work? [20:46] anyway, is there a way to get these error messages that quickly appear and disappear when i try to log in with gdm? [20:46] Aquina: i was in /home as i tryed to unmount it [20:47] /var/log/Xsomething and ~/.xsessionerrors [20:47] you can cut the branch on which you sit [20:47] can't [20:48] stupid gravity :P [20:48] be glad you never had to compile a compiler :) [20:50] TheSheep: you should know that i don't believe in compilers :P [20:50] you write all machine code by hand? [20:50] ah I see... [20:51] TheSheep: all binary are written of monks with hex editors :P [20:52] sofias: exactly, they are called compilers :) [20:52] TheSheep: make is just a program to generate random error messages, as far as i am concerned :P [20:52] sofias: that's java [20:52] sofias: it sometimes produces binary code as a side effect though [20:54] TheSheep: but at least java programs tend to independently of operating system, distribution and moon phase ;) [20:55] sofias: you don't realize how untrue that is :) [20:56] TheSheep: true enough to convince me ;) [21:04] TheSheep: mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission dinied [21:05] sofias: same to you [21:06] TheSheep: i'm full of shame, what's next? ;) [21:06] oh sou said same [21:07] I have no idea what you are doing [21:07] Someone got a clue about "PCI Latency Timer" (range 32-248) in BIOS? Can't find good literature about it. [21:08] TheSheep: i found that in my ~/.xsession-whatever [21:08] Aquina: I'd ask on ##hardware [21:09] sofias: are you investigating some particular program refusing to work? [21:10] TheSheep: sorta, i cannot login with X, remenber? :P [21:10] thx [21:10] sofias: I think I wasn't here when you started [21:11] sofias: and I have to run now, sorry [21:11] TheSheep: hm, ok bye [21:11] you cannot login with X because of that /home mount problem? Does it refer to that option you can set in GDM? [21:13] Aquina: well i think i fixed /home (by stop trying to move it to a seperate partition), i dont know what's the thing with X [21:16] Aquina: TheSheep said i should look in the logs and there was the mkdtemp-stuff [21:17] maybe it's because /tmp is still a sepereate partition.. [21:19] i could unmount it as well but then i am exactly where i started.. [21:21] (things worked as i started, just my / was pretty full, so i tryed to move some stuff to another disk..) [21:23] well, i removed the /tmp -partition from fstab now, let's see what happens [21:27] yay, i have X back [21:29] well done :) [21:30] yeah, the only problem is that would loke to have /tmp on a spereate disk.. [21:30] well, i think i will care about that next weak or so.. [21:32] k [21:36] btw: is there a way to _publish_ my files with ubuntu one? [21:37] "sharing" seems only to mean something like "send it per mail" [21:37] but i thought publishing was the whole point of it.. [21:40] :-) [22:07] bye === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [23:14] hey guys, anyone know how to change my default sound from the HDMI of a gfx card to the onboard sound? [23:16] i'll try the main ubuntu channel [23:42] genii, you there? [23:45] I'm having trouble configuring my monitor resolution to its native 1280x1024. It's currently stuck at 800x600 [23:45] It used to work fine however, this is a recent problem. [23:48] How do I stop xfce and drop to console only?