[00:45] <amichair> JontheEchidna: another Reese's piece at lp:~amichai2/software-properties/fixes
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> I don't have commit rights to that repo :(
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bleh, I suppose. I'll file a bug tomorrow
[00:49] <amichair> JontheEchidna: before we trouble apachelogger or Riddell to merge it, is there anything else needing peanut butter goodness in software-props-kde?
[00:49]  * apachelogger falls off chair due to highlight overload
[00:50] <apachelogger> I cannot merge
[00:50] <apachelogger> some ebay buyer bought my gpg, ssh keys and launchpad login :P
[00:50]  * amichair passes a Reese's piece to apachelogger to help stabalize his blood sugar levels
[00:50]  * apachelogger cant do no work anymore
[00:50] <vorian> cool, for how much apachelogger?
[00:50] <apachelogger> 2k
[00:50] <vorian> sweetness
[00:50] <apachelogger> never sold so little data for so much money ^^
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> ouch, sucks
[00:55] <konqi_aki> someone highlight my name please
[00:55] <nixternal> konqi_aki: hello
[00:57] <vorian> wow, he must be scared of nixternal
[00:57] <amichair> JontheEchidna: i don't see any other spk bugs to work on at the moment... is there anything I should do with this branch? or will someone pick it up via the lp magic links?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I can't think of anything, should be good to ping Riddell
[00:58] <Riddell> I'm about to sleep
[00:58] <Riddell> e-mail me and I can do it in the morning
[00:59] <Riddell> how about 23:00UTC tomorrow for meeting?
[00:59]  * apachelogger is good with everything
[01:00]  * apachelogger is also kinda drunk
[01:00] <amichair> I'm off to bed too...
[01:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I did not know nixternal was thtat scary :(
[01:00] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks again for helping me help u :-)
[01:00] <jjesse> nixternal is very scary
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: lol, you should see his picture on nixternal.com
[01:00] <jjesse> especially if you meet him in person
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> amichair: you're welcome. Thanks for the bugfixes
[01:01] <apachelogger> well
[01:01] <apachelogger> I shall never ever go to UDS!
[01:01] <vorian> heh, I saw nixternals brother on "the marraige ref"
[01:01]  * apachelogger doesnt wanna be scared of nixternal
[01:02] <jjesse> apachelogger: don't wory i don't think nixternal is allowed outside of the US
[01:02] <vorian> the dude looked just like nixternal with a mustache
[01:02] <apachelogger> oh, fortunately :D
[01:02]  * apachelogger still cant attend UDS :(
[01:02] <amichair> JontheEchidna: my pleasure :-)
[01:02] <apachelogger> got midterm exams that very week unfortunately
[01:02] <apachelogger> but some UDS I will attend
[01:02] <apachelogger> I promise :/
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> :(
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> I'll go if I can get sponsored. School gets out a week before UDS
[01:04] <vorian> I don't think i'll be getting a sponsorship this time :P
[01:04] <vorian> or ever again
[01:05]  * apachelogger cant got to akademy either since that is exaclty when major exams are -.-
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> anyways, bbl
[01:05] <apachelogger> vorian: you could join me in switiching to chakra or whatever it is called, then we both dont get sponsorship :)
[01:06] <vorian> whoooo hooo!
[01:06] <vorian> sounds like a plan
[01:06] <apachelogger> oh and we could get drunk at the same time and come up with some more sensible name
[01:06] <vorian> ha
[01:09] <vorian> ohhh, arch :x
[01:09]  * vorian had to google that one
[01:12] <vorian> see, that's why people are scared of nixternal 8-)
[01:13] <nixternal> huh?
[01:14] <konqi_aki> arch ftw!
[01:14] <vorian> topic change
[01:14] <nixternal> konqi_aki: you tell um!
[01:14] <nixternal> can't figure out that damn channel monitor at all
[01:15] <nixternal> and don't ban konqi_aki. that is me using Aki IRC client
[01:15] <vorian> what was that
[01:15] <vorian> ah
[01:15] <nixternal> I am writing documentation for Aki
[01:15] <nixternal> trying to figure out this channel buffer, but I can't
[01:15] <nixternal> guess I am to stupid to figure out simplicity
[01:15] <vorian> that's what started the whole "scared of nixternal" stuff
[01:19] <vorian> is there a reason you have to use '/quote stats p' in quassel?
[01:30]  * apachelogger is tres funny
[02:03] <jjesse> aki?
[02:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: google aki irc
[02:04] <kubotu> Results for aki irc: 1. Aki: http://www.akiirc.org/ | 2. AkiIRC Python Bindings | Aki: http://akiirc.org/node/3 | 3. Aki IRC Client | Get Aki IRC Client at SourceForge.net: http://sourceforge.net/projects/aki/
[02:12] <nixternal> fork me, git is a pain in the ass
[02:18] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: lucky you, the meeting is tomorrow at 18:00 for us
[02:18] <jjesse> kubuntu meeting>
[02:18] <jjesse> ?
[02:43] <nixternal> jjesse: yes
[02:43]  * nixternal goes for pie and tv
[03:13] <jjesse> mmm i like pie
[03:15]  * apachelogger falls off chair again
[03:16] <apachelogger> oh my emperor!
[03:16] <apachelogger> 4:16 am
[03:16] <apachelogger> I  am a truely mad robotor
[03:17] <apachelogger> that reminds me on the song sad robot
[03:18] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYkB_Rz7XM
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I saw that. thank god it's not wed
[04:07] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, strange
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> Just because I want to know the details I'm going to see what apport says about this kernal crash
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> why does this sound like a virus more then a crash?
[04:15] <DarkwingDuck> hmm, Okay, gonna reboot and see if my kernal records a crash
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> woah... This is getting fun
[04:21] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, this just got really interesting
[04:31] <DarkwingDuck> Any kernal guys in here?
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> You'd probably have more luck for kernel dudes in #ubuntu-devel
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> Nope. Not bothering patching it myself. Bug report off to kernal.org
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> alright I'm crashing
[05:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: zomg, an apt-pkg header that has documentation!!1!1
[05:09] <JontheEchidna> run for the hills!
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[05:10] <JontheEchidna> ^and dantii ran :P
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> (he implemented the aptcc PackageKit backend with apt-pkg, he's probably scared too)
[05:12] <JontheEchidna> sleepy times now
[05:19] <nixternal> ok, I have my metal jamming, now I need work to do
[05:20] <nixternal> only 23:19
[07:07] <Sput> apachelogger: just use your compose key with <3 and you get a nice ♥
[08:44] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:41] <amichair> Riddell: could you please merge the bugfix in the latest revision at lp:~amichai2/software-properties/fixes ?
[10:03] <bodksi> hi all, I have a feature request for PyQt4... (that the API file that is generated during the build be included in the package) now that PyDev (Python plugin for Eclipse) has introduced support for it. Anyone know the best place to make this feature request?
[10:04] <bodksi> (or that it is somehow available without downloading sources and building PyQt4 from scratch :) )
[10:10] <freinhard> bodksi: i'd suggest to file a bug on launchpad against pyqt4
[10:11] <bodksi> OK thanks, I thought it might serve to annoy if i filed it as a bug... but if thats the best way to request features then I'll do that :)
[10:24] <Mamarok> hm, any idea why I have no sound in youTube on lucid? all flash and codecs installed, this came up in the last few days
[10:24] <Tm_T> Mamarok: pa?
[10:25] <Mamarok> Tm_T: well, I don't use it, default is the sound card
[10:25] <Mamarok> and it worked before
[10:26] <Tm_T> Mamarok: doublecheck you don't have it running
[10:26] <jussi01> PA is evil and sneaky like that
[10:28] <Mamarok> why oh why can't we just get rid of that crap?
[10:30] <jussi01> Mamarok: was it the issue?
[10:31] <jussi01> Motorola droid
[10:31] <jussi01> crap
[10:31] <jussi01> wrong window :)
[10:31] <Mamarok> jussi01: I have no sound in browsers anymore, regardless if it is Konqueror, Firefox or Chromium
[10:31] <Riddell> agateau: you pinged?
[10:31] <agateau> Riddell: I did
[10:32] <Mamarok> why isn't there a nice button allowing to just kill PA when needed?
[10:32] <agateau> Riddell: just wanted to know what was the status with the latest patches I sent your way
[10:35] <Riddell> agateau: I have "agateau amarok, ksni, kdebase-workspace dbusmenu patches" written at the top of my todo today
[10:35] <agateau> Riddell: sounds good :)
[10:35] <Riddell> along with a note to coordinate it with ted
[10:35] <agateau> Riddell: perfect then
[10:35] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[11:30] <ulysses> hy
[11:43] <larsivi> eh, Apport KDE crashed on me, segfault in Python - Apport refused to let me report it because there was no stacktrace
[12:16] <Trouble_> Hey guys, is 4.4.2 in ninjas ready for testing on Karmic?
[12:19] <Riddell> Trouble_: yes please
[12:20] <Trouble_> Riddell: Cool, I'll install it now, but gotta pop out, but I'll have a play and update the wiki later
[12:21] <Trouble_> or at least update the wiki if it installs correctly  :)
[13:16] <larsivi> which process is responsible for the plasma runner widget?
[13:16] <Riddell> krunner
[13:17] <freinhard> there is no more sun jre in lucid?
[13:17] <larsivi> it seems to stop working after the first use (or alternatively a little while)
[13:19] <freinhard> krunner's calculator got really slow lately...
[13:20] <larsivi> nothing I do seems to bring up the krunner at all
[13:22] <larsivi> maybe it is related to virtuoso-t crashing? although I don't know if it crashed this time since apport crashed ...
[13:28] <nigelb> what are the qt development packages?
[13:28] <nigelb> I started to fix what sounded like a small bug
[13:28] <nigelb> now, I end up having to get deep into it :(
[13:29] <Riddell> how do you mean development packages?
[13:29] <nigelb> upstream asked if I had them
[13:29] <nigelb> I hit this error during compilation http://pastebin.com/UUdDbnLU
[13:30] <Riddell> libqt4-dev is it
[13:30] <nigelb> um, lemme try with that one
[13:30] <nigelb> I'm so lost in kde
[13:38] <apachelogger> Sput: yeah but using KDE emoticons would be way more consitent in a KDE env
[13:39] <apachelogger> also it looks way better with colors ^^
[13:39] <apachelogger> good morning everyone :)
[13:39] <apachelogger> btw ;)
[13:40] <Riddell> happy Monday apachelogger
[13:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ping
[13:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks, to you too :)
[13:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: btw you can install kde-devel,its a meta package for dev libs which help in compiling most kde apps
[13:43] <nigelb> shadeslayer, I'm just fixing a *particular* bug
[13:43] <maco> i didnt knw about that
[13:43] <shadeslayer> maco: :D
[13:44] <shadeslayer> nigelb: um.. ok :)
[13:45]  * nigelb wonders how I got dragged into kde anyway
[13:45] <maco> o/
[13:46]  * maco thinks that's her fault
[13:46] <nigelb> nah, someone came in on bugs channel asking how to link kde bug tracker
[13:46] <nigelb> and now here I am :D
[13:46] <shadeslayer> nigelb: hehe.. theres a super natural force that attracts all users to KDE :)
[13:47] <nigelb> shadeslayer, that was a supernatural force attracting to all things easy.  I was bored :D
[13:47] <nigelb> the only bug assigned to be is ftbs, and I was tired of hunting around
[13:47] <nigelb> s/be/me
[13:48] <shadeslayer> nigelb: which one?
[13:48] <nigelb> maco, though you advertising it at every momment may have something to do with it :D
[13:48] <shadeslayer> i have some spare time....
[13:48] <nigelb> shadeslayer, vlc
[13:48] <Riddell> "digiKam 1.2.0 released" where's lure when you need him?
[13:48] <shadeslayer> nigelb: :)
[13:49] <shadeslayer> nigelb: so whats the exact error? and please link the bug report as well :)
[13:49] <nigelb> shadeslayer, the last time, I didn't have enough space
[13:49] <nigelb> I just fixed *that* part
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ah..
[13:51]  * apachelogger runs doxygen
[14:35] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: pong
[14:35] <Mamarok> sorry,m was afk
[14:35] <Mamarok> I*
[14:36] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: could you remind me your PPA, please?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: lp.net/~rohangarg
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its in the playground.. ill move it to kde extra as well so you can use that too
[14:38] <Mamarok> thanks
[14:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: just FYI, lp.net doesn't resolve to launchpad.net...
[14:39] <shadeslayer> i was attending a TEDx confrence so i couldnt be here around the last few days :)
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know :)
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i thought that youll just replace it yourself :P
[14:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: lazy you :)
[14:39] <Mamarok> you were at a TEDx conference physically?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yes
[14:40] <Mamarok> lucky you!
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i know.. there were only a few seats left :P
[14:40] <Mamarok> so either you are full of money or full of luck
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: the latter :D
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: some last minute cancelations and we were in :)
[14:41] <Mamarok> nice!
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: packages copied
[14:42] <Mamarok> right, on another note: how can I get my sound back fro flash in lucid? It stopped working the other day
[14:42] <Mamarok> for*
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm.. well is this with just one browser or all of them>
[14:43] <Mamarok> all of them, else I wouldn't have asked
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh btw the father of the Intel Atom was there too,he gave me his card when i mentioned the magic words 'Ubuntu' , 'Kubuntu' and 'Packager' :p
[14:44] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: the question was not specifically for you, so don't worry too much, I bet some PA stuff broke it
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im refering to Pankaj Kedia :)
[14:44] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh np
[14:44] <Mamarok> hey!
[14:45] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: you should have mentioned KDE specifically :)
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: well he said that theyre working on moblin and i said that i wanted to join intel and that ill probably contact him when i have enough experience
[14:46] <Mamarok> not moblin, MeeGo
[14:46] <Mamarok> moblin is the past
[14:46] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah thats the one
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-img00122-20100327-1859-jpg.jpg
[14:49] <shadeslayer> a bit blurry,but im the one in the middle
[14:50] <Mamarok> pics in the dark rarely turn out very sharp
[14:50] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:50] <shadeslayer> But as you can see theres a TEDx board behind us.. the confrence was in a auditorium just behind the board
[14:51] <apachelogger> Mamarok: lol :D
[14:51] <Mamarok> apachelogger: lol?
[14:52] <apachelogger> Mamarok: pics in the dark rarely turn out very sharp
[14:52] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: oh and btw you need to set the volume as high in the flash settings
[14:52] <apachelogger> got a nice sound to it
[14:52] <apachelogger> most awesome actually
[14:52] <apachelogger> or maybe I am still drunk *shrug*
[14:52] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: if that doesnt do it .. idk :P
[14:52] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: I tried that, doesn't change
[14:58] <shadeslayer_> ^^ my knowledge of flash ends there
[14:58] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: one more thing can be done,try removing the .adobe folder in ~
[14:59] <Mamarok> hm, I have a suspicion: I tried to check if Nickelback were as bad as everybody told they were, maybe they broke the flash sound...
[14:59] <Mamarok> ;)
[14:59] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hahaha....
[15:00] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: oh btw do the kraft packages work?
[15:00] <shadeslayer_> i didnt have the time to check
[15:01]  * Mamarok checks now
[15:01] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: thanks :)
[15:06] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: it opens up correctly, them I get this: http://pastebin.com/b2eTc530
[15:06] <Mamarok> not sure this is package related, though
[15:07] <Mamarok> and dragotin is rearely online
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: um..i think this is related to ibus
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/myriam/.config/ibus/bus
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: do you have ibus installed?
[15:08] <Mamarok> no, apparently not, it should be made a dependency for the package, then
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hmm... ok ill look into this.. :)
[15:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not ibus related
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hmm
[15:11] <Mamarok> http://pastebin.com/ZGkfCtjX
[15:13] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: looks more like a database problem
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah... Qsql.. ive not heard of such a package
[15:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I choose the default SQlite, but it looks for MySQL
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah try libqt4-sql
[15:15] <Mamarok> that is already installed, but the package name is libqt4-sql-sqlite
[15:16] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: well i guess we will have to talk to upstream about this...
[15:16] <shadeslayer> or if somebody else can help...
[15:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: do you have dragotin's mail address? I don't know if he often uses IRC
[15:16] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: nope..
[15:16] <Mamarok> freitag@kde.org
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ive sent him a mail... lets see
[15:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: thanks a lot :)
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: oh no problem.. lets hope he replies and we can get it working
[15:27] <Mamarok> oh, he sure will :)
[15:27] <Mamarok> he is interested himself in getting this done
[15:27] <Riddell> agateau: does org.ayatana.dbusmenu.xml need to be installed?
[15:27] <agateau> Riddell: don't think so
[15:46] <shtylman> I am UTC retarded... how many hours until the meeting?
[15:47] <Riddell> 7 and 10 minutes
[15:48] <shtylman> Riddell: thanks :)
[15:48] <shtylman> Riddell: also... can bug: #389658 be closed as won't fix?
[15:48] <Riddell> bug 389658
[15:48] <shtylman> the paper cuts aspect of it I mean
[15:49] <Riddell> shtylman: we should add back the icon we had in kde4libs so people can chose it if they want to
[15:49] <shtylman> Riddell: I agree... do we not have that now?
[15:49] <Riddell> shtylman: it seems to have disappeared at some point
[15:49] <shtylman> heh
[15:49] <Riddell> want to add it back?
[15:50] <shtylman> Riddell: sure... for lucid?
[15:50] <Riddell> yes
[15:50] <shtylman> k
[15:50] <Riddell> into bzr
[15:50] <shtylman> indeed
[15:50] <shtylman> maybe add the new logo once we decide?
[15:50] <shtylman> since that will happen today I assume?
[15:52] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like everything is uploaded to PPA/BZR. I'll start reviewing BZR to ensure it all looks good for upload to archives.
[15:55] <Riddell> shtylman: hmm, good point
[15:55] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm worried that I can't install packages in karmic
[15:56] <Riddell> is it using polkit instead of policykit?
[15:56] <rgreening> Riddell: ?
[15:56] <rgreening> Im on lucid, so I can test backports atm
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell, shtylman: I would put the icon into kubuntu-default-settings really
[15:56] <apachelogger> otherwise maintenance is a PITA
[15:57] <Riddell> agreed
[16:07] <rgreening> lex: ping
[16:22] <Riddell> koffice 2.1.2 tars are up
[16:24] <rgreening> Riddell: Im started on cleaning up the bzrs to make sure they match (like removing obsolete patches from both bzr and the PPA package)
[16:26] <shtylman> ubuntu slideshow is looking spiffy
[16:26]  * shtylman feels that the kubuntu one needs to be prettier now :)
[16:30] <rgreening> shtylman: do we have a slideshow now?
[16:30]  * rgreening would be impressed :P
[16:33] <shtylman> rgreening: yea... we have a slideshow
[16:33] <shtylman> didn't we have one for karmic? I don't recall such things anymore :)
[16:42] <rgreening> not that I recall
[16:42] <rgreening> could be wrong tho
[16:47] <jussi01> hrm, is anyone else having this: when quassel is maximised and the updates notifier pops up, then you click "not now" and quassel disappears to system tray? (on lucid)
[17:01] <Riddell> rgreening: maybe we should upload qt now
[17:01] <Riddell> lex79: that ok? ^^
[17:01] <rgreening> Riddell: sounds like a plan. give it time to build before we upload kde 4.4.2
[17:02] <Riddell> rgreening: can you make the .diff.gz .dsc and .changes for me to sign and upload?
[17:02] <maco> Sput: quassel client question... is there a limit to how much scrollback itll store locally in memory beyond which point it requests from the server? i'm wondering because after a day or two of running quassel can be using quite a lot of memory. kinda guessing it starts out with X lines scrollback locally then over time as scrollback grows, doesnt trim the old stuff and say "well if i need it later, i'll ask the server"
[17:03] <rgreening> Riddell: sure.. give me a few minutes to grab and generate
[17:03] <Riddell> "few minutes" you'll be lucky :)
[17:03] <rgreening> ya. but you get my meaning.. ill di it and fwd as soon as possible :P
[17:06] <maco> Sput: at least, it doesnt seem to be requesting from the server anything that happened since it was opened, even if that was a long while ago
[17:08] <maco> Sput: http://imagebin.ca/view/NQnZ9Wjt.html  <-- "top" from a few days ago (i started looking at choqok to figure out what it's doing too)
[17:23]  * nixternal is working on koffice-2.1.2 and koffice-l10n-2.1.2
[17:23] <DarkwingDuck> morning nixternal
[17:23] <nixternal> almost noon isn't it :)
[17:23] <nixternal> mornin' to you as well
[17:23] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> race is on. lol
[17:24] <nixternal> what race?
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> nascar
[17:24] <nixternal> oh, got rained out yesterday?
[17:24] <nixternal> martinsville right?
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> martinsville got rained out yesterday
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> sunny rt now
[17:25] <nixternal> yeah, I watched the interviews and it looked cold...didn't see the track but you could hear the dryers on it
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> gotta fix my wiki
[17:25] <nixternal> I am excited, we will be in the 70s this week...that means i will be out riding the hell out of my bikes
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:26] <nixternal> riding a bike when it is freezing or below freezing is not fun
[17:26] <DarkwingDuck> nope. not at all
[17:26] <DarkwingDuck> oh, nixternal... thanks
[17:26] <nixternal> for?
[17:26] <nixternal> your welcome btw :p
[17:27] <nixternal> i see you can now commit to the repos
[17:27] <DarkwingDuck> Matthew added me to the core-doc team
[17:27] <nixternal> hehe
[17:27] <DarkwingDuck> yuppers
[17:27] <nixternal> just one thing....DON'T COMMIT!
[17:27] <DarkwingDuck> rofl. just in time eh? yeah i know
[17:27] <nixternal> hehe
[17:28] <nixternal> during a freeze, if it really needs to be committed, it is probably safer to let me commit, as they won't yell at me as loud
[17:28] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:28] <DarkwingDuck> we are done for this cycle right? everything in translations
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> bbiaf
[17:30] <nixternal> the people are back out working on the transformer that sits behind our house...if they blow the power, i will personally go out there and handle them
[17:30] <nixternal> yeah, it is all about the translations now
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> okay... brb
[17:31] <rgreening> Riddell: I see some lintian errs from qt build. can you look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/406065/
[17:32] <Riddell> rgreening: nothing to worry about there that I can see
[17:32] <rgreening> Riddell: ok
[17:32] <Riddell> changing those would just get us out of sync with debian for no gain
[17:33] <rgreening> np. want me to upload the dsc to ktown?
[17:33] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[17:34] <Riddell> rgreening: ktown not the best place if you have somewhere else
[17:34] <Riddell> but anywhere is good
[17:34] <lex79> rgreening: why you signed qt package with your name? lol
[17:35] <shadeslayer> nixternal: can i file a bug for inserting a new package in kubuntu?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> or is it too late?
[17:35] <nixternal> to late
[17:35] <rgreening> lex79: updating for Riddell to upload (as per Riddell) and as per I reviewed it (being coord for the release). You still get cred :P
[17:35] <shadeslayer> nixternal: meh.. ok ill file one anyways,maybe itll get included in backports
[17:36] <shadeslayer> nixternal: ive basically built a new version of a kraft in my PPA... upgraded it from 0.2 to 0.4b2
[17:36] <lex79> rgreening: you should use debuild -S -sa -kyour_email to generate dsc
[17:36] <shadeslayer> apparently it runs fine here,but mamarok had a problem with the package
[17:37] <debfx> Riddell: have you had a chance to test the brightness osd patch?
[17:38] <Riddell> debfx: oh sorry that's still on my todo
[17:38] <dpm> nixternal, thanks for the heads up on kubuntu-docs. The only missing part was me accepting the "Needs Review" templates. It was a bit of a hectic weekend, so I only came to it this morning, but they are all ok now. I've got one question, though. There is a template in https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports?field.filter_status=NEEDS_REVIEW&field.filter_extension=pot which conflicts with another one (docs/about
[17:38] <dpm> /po/about.pot) I think the docs/about... is already the correct one, and I shuld get rid of that template in the queue. Is that correct?
[17:38] <rgreening> lex79: Yeah, prob could have done that for qt, as there were no changes
[17:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can request a feature freeze exception
[17:38] <rgreening> my bad
[17:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well just so that you know that the original version in the repo uses KDE 3 libs i think
[17:40] <shadeslayer> and its my understanding that were trying to remove as many KDE 3 apps as possible right
[17:40] <rgreening> Riddell: the files are on ktown under qt4-x11. feel free to delete when done with them
[17:41] <rgreening> Riddell: we need to get some secure space for hosting.. any thoughts?
[17:41] <Riddell> rgreening: why secure?  people.ubuntu.com would work
[17:41] <Riddell> glatzor: hi
[17:41] <rgreening> Riddell: cool. how do I get that?
[17:42] <Riddell> rgreening: I don't know but I believe it's available to anyone with membership
[17:42] <jussi01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeopleUbuntuCom
[17:45] <nixternal> damn koffice-l10n package will not build, FTBFS because of docbook entities
[17:45] <nixternal> rgreening: ssh lp_id@people.ubuntu.com
[17:45] <nixternal> use your ssh password that is on lp
[17:45] <Riddell> nixternal: which one?
[17:46] <Riddell> I mean what version
[17:46] <nixternal> Riddell: 2.1.2
[17:46] <Riddell> nixternal: are you doing koffice too?
[17:46] <rgreening> nixternal: cool. ty
[17:46] <nixternal> Riddell: yes
[17:46] <nixternal> rgreening: then it will be http://people.ubuntu.com/~lp_id
[17:47] <nixternal> rgreening: actually, I don't think you can ssh to it, just sftp to it maybe
[17:47] <Riddell> nixternal: ping cyrille in #koffice
[17:47] <nixternal> trying something really quick then I will do so
[17:48] <nixternal> and that didn't work
[17:49] <Riddell> rgreening: did you upload the wrong thing?  qt4-x11_4.6.2-0ubuntu3~ppa2.diff.gz has "ppa" in it
[17:50] <rgreening> Riddell: ah. prob. let me look again
[17:51] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah, cp/paste wrong .. uploaded now.
[17:54] <nixternal> dpm: thanks! got all of the email this morning about all of the templates being in :)
[17:55] <dpm> cool (well, apart from the spam bit ;) )
[17:55] <nixternal> dpm: ahh dang, so a .desktop.in pot file is conflicting with a docbook one
[17:55] <nixternal> ok, I will have to rename the desktop one and reupload
[17:56] <dpm> nixternal, hmm, I think we can sort this out without a reupload, I'll just try to rename the template in LP differently. Let me just try, give me a sec
[17:59] <nixternal> dpm: groovy
[17:59] <nixternal> otherwise I can do a quick upload
[18:01]  * hunger grumbles that the udevadm divert was left in place after the latest update of lucid. Broke the boot.
[18:06] <Riddell> rgreening: uploaded qt
[18:06] <rgreening> Cool.
[18:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I have people.ubuntu.com/~roderick-greening setup, so I can use that moving forward for uploads. Thanks.
[18:08] <dpm> nixternal, ok, should be ok now -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-docs/+translations I've named it kubuntu-docs-about-desktop. If the name is ok for you, then we're all set, if not, just tell me which template name you'd prefer and I'll change it straight away
[18:08] <nixternal> dpm: rock on!
[18:08] <nixternal> thanks
[18:09] <nixternal> that name is good, I will know what it is (I hope)
[18:09] <dpm> \o/
[18:09] <nixternal> i am glad you cleaned out the old templates...i didnt' know about that and when i went to do translations a couple of releases ago, i was importing old templates and was confused as all hell :)
[18:10] <nixternal> now I will work up a script that will take the LP tarball when I go for it, and do everything for me
[18:10] <dpm> cool
[18:10] <nixternal> that way there I can have my monkeys, errr minions, errr jjesse and DarkwingDuck do translation imports too :)
[18:10] <dpm> hahaha
[18:12] <dpm> the ubuntu-docs sources have got scripts for that as well. You might already know them, but in case you don't, perhaps you can use some of them for kubuntu-docs. In any case, if you've got any questions and I can be of any help, just give me a shout
[18:12] <nixternal> yeah, i used it in the past, but it needs to be reworked to work for kubuntu a bit better
[18:12] <nixternal> to use it, i have to install gnome-doc-tools, which doesn't sound right for kubuntu-docs :)
[18:17] <dpm> :)
[18:25] <DarkwingDuck> still not getting a splash screen on startup
[18:25] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[18:26] <nixternal> one minute
[18:26] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: go for it
[18:27] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: after tonights meeting we need to take some steps to ensure we don't duplicate this bug on the kubuntu side. bug: 551058
[18:27] <DarkwingDuck> bug:551058
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/551058
[18:28] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Here either, plymouth seems broken for me. I do see maybe 1/4 second flash of it *just* before NVidia logo but very oversize
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> genii: Only time I get it is when I scan drives
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> However, shutdown it works fine
[18:29] <jjesse> nixternal: if i knew/understand the whole translation import process i would be more then willing to use them
[18:29] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: that is why i removed anything witht he kubuntu logo out of the docs
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I thought you had but, wasn't 100% sure
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> so I thought I'd mention it
[18:29] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck nixternal maybe we should do a planning meaning for whatever Kubuntu M is and we can do it via my conference bridge so we can actually talk
[18:30] <DarkwingDuck> Am willing to call... nixternal and I both are on VZW
[18:30] <jjesse> i'm on VZW as well, nixternal has my cell # if i recall correctly
[18:30] <jjesse> plus on the droid it is super simple to setup a conference call
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: you have the Motorola Droid?
[18:31] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck:  yup
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck> Its a wonderful phone eh?
[18:31] <jjesse> love it
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck> LOVE the phone
[18:31] <DarkwingDuck> I upgraded from the Tour to it... I still have a Storm laying around my place
[18:32] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Your on CST right?
[18:32] <nixternal> jjesse: that works
[18:32] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse nixternal just let me know what time you want to do this call.
[18:33] <nixternal> i will never let google have my data! they are evil! I am going with an iPhone :p
[18:33] <nixternal> no time soon, or at least today....i am up to my neck in upstream shit right now
[18:33] <DarkwingDuck> eeeewww AT&T???
[18:33] <DarkwingDuck> Well, meeting is at 2300UTC
[18:33] <DarkwingDuck> that is what... 1800 CST for us?
[18:36] <jjesse> 1700 EDT
[18:36] <jjesse> 1900 EDT
[18:36] <jjesse>  :)
[18:37] <DarkwingDuck> So yeah, thats 1800 CST :P
[18:45] <freinhard> changing the timezone in digital clock doesn't work. kde or kubuntu issue?
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> It worked for me...
[18:49] <freinhard> the apply button is greyed, ok isn't. the dialog says i will be asked to authenticate, i wasn't.
[18:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[18:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how do i go about filing a feature freeze exception
[18:57] <lex79> shadeslayer: open a bug in launchpad
[18:58] <shadeslayer> lex79: ok and?
[18:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu
[18:58] <shadeslayer> lex79: oh and one more thing,can you test out kraft from https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[18:58] <neversfelde> sorry, I should have posted here, that I am working on amarok
[18:59] <shadeslayer> lex79: it apparently runs fine on my machine but not on Mamarok
[18:59] <shadeslayer> s/Mamarok/Mamarok's Machine
[19:05] <lex79> shadeslayer: is it a beta 2 version? I don't think we want beta2 applications in archive, too late
[19:05] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeah its a beta 2 version
[19:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. can they go in backports?
[19:07] <lex79> nope for now
[19:08] <lex79> maybe when final version will be released
[19:09] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm... btw do they run fine on your machine? ( the packages i mean )
[19:12] <lex79> shadeslayer: it works, yes
[19:13] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah thanks for the feedback.... weird that it didnt work on Mamaroks machine
[19:16] <nixternal> koffice will have to wait...they need to repackage l10n and koffice tarballs thanks to me :D
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:33] <DarkwingDuck> genii: did you file a bug for the plymouth boot splash problem?
[19:33] <nixternal> what is the problem?
[19:34] <DarkwingDuck> genii and I dont have a splash image on boot. We do for shutdown
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> Figured you were busy so I would pester you with a bug :P
[19:35] <nixternal> did you have the ubuntu one on boot previously?
[19:35] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[19:35] <nixternal> try this:
[19:35] <nixternal> sudo update-initramfs -u
[19:36] <nixternal> for some reason, it seems it didn't update for you all, which I don't understand why it didn't
[19:36] <genii> nixternal: Already updated my initramfs when I dupgraded kernel to -18 ( for nvidia dkms)
[19:36] <nixternal> what shows now when you boot up? the ubuntu one
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> dunno... hang on and I'll let ya know
[19:37] <genii> nixternal: For me, I get blinking cursor only then a flash of whichever one is currently on (In this case the kubuntu amd64 deb you had) then my NVidia logo comes on, then kde splash, etc
[19:41] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Nope. Black screen with a blinking white curser line in the upper left still
[19:42] <DarkwingDuck> However, when I shutdown it shows up quite pretty like
[19:42] <DarkwingDuck> taunting me... :P
[19:43] <genii> I also on shutdown see whichever logo is set. But the size during both boot and shutdown is extremely huge (to the point of pixellation)
[19:43] <genii> DarkwingDuck: You have nvidia card?
[19:43] <DarkwingDuck> and I don't get anything... INTEL video drivers
[19:44] <genii> Hm
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> This is strange...
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> I'm removing the ubuntu theme packages and reinstalling the kubuntu ones and see if that tricks something
[19:49] <genii> DarkwingDuck: This may be something related to bug 506717
[19:50] <DarkwingDuck> possibly... But, then it would also apply to intel drivers
[19:50] <maco> freinhard: the digital clock's timezone setting thing is fine for me. you sure you dont mean the system settings one? cuz that one's broken just like you described on my machine
[19:51] <freinhard> maco: well i can add different timezones to the digital clock and since i get to the configuration of the systemwide timezone i didn't make a difference there.
[19:52] <freinhard> *since i get there from the same menue...
[19:52] <maco> freinhard: huh?
[19:53] <jussi01> Can someone with Quassel test this for me?
[19:53] <jussi01> when quassel is maximised and the updates notifier pops up, then you click "not now" and quassel disappears to system tray? (on lucid)
[19:53] <maco> freinhard: right clicking the clock applet and going to its settings, i just get checkboxes to pick what goes in the dropdown, then choose one from the dropdown. there's no "apply" button at all. just ok/cancel
[19:53] <freinhard> maco: you get to the configuration of the systemwide timezone trough the digital clock menue
[19:53] <maco> freinhard: you do?  how?
[19:54] <freinhard> digital clock->right click->adjust date and time
[19:54] <maco> reahhhhh
[19:54] <freinhard> then switch to timezone
[19:54] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Postings 23-27, 63   indicate nvidia is not the only affected
[19:54] <maco> i went to the clock's "digital clock settings" in the right click menu
[19:55] <maco> ok yeah that thing you're seeing is the same thing as what's in systemsettings
[19:55] <maco> it's just another way to reach it
[19:55] <maco> yes, i see the kcm module for timezones being broken
[19:55] <freinhard> that's another story. the widget is stupid enough to show timezones twice.
[19:55] <DarkwingDuck> genii: Yeah, I see that... I might try purging plymouth, reinstall and reboot to see what happens.
[19:55] <maco> freinhard: huh??
[19:55] <maco> its not being stupid actually...
[19:55] <maco> you can set the clock itself to show a different timezone than your system time
[19:55] <freinhard> maco: it is, let me explain it
[19:56] <maco> i have 3 clock applets. one shows local, one shows GMT, one shows berlin
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> genii: Because, the problem occured only after the new theme
[19:56] <maco> so the one youre clicking is for system time. the one in the digital clock settings is for *that specific applet*
[19:57] <freinhard> maco: here's what you do: add some timezones including your own in the digital clock timezones settings. then use your mousewheel on the clock to switch the displayed time to another timezone. then move your mouse a gain over the clock and see that the tooltip shows your local timezone twice
[19:57] <freinhard> i call that stupid ;)
[19:58] <maco> wait you mean put "local" AND the actual name for your local timezone *both* into the applet's settings?
[19:58] <freinhard> yes
[19:58] <freinhard> erm no
[19:59] <freinhard> give me a minute
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> genii: I'm giving this a shot... BRB
[19:59] <maco> i had no idea you could mousewheel over the applet
[20:01]  * genii makes more coffee
[20:02] <freinhard> maco: http://imagebin.ca/view/3qMiRm.html
[20:02] <freinhard> first and last timezone: sydney
[20:02] <freinhard> doesn't make any sense at all
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles* nada
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I didn't change that?
[20:12] <genii> DarkwingDuck: I'm going to try changing my framebuffer. Back in a bit
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[20:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's that about amarok?
[20:15] <neversfelde> Riddell: amarok crashes, when it's info applet is enabled. The patch fixes that and markey suggested to use it on the amarok packager list a while ago
[20:18] <maco> freeflying: huh. mine looks nothing like that
[20:18] <markey> neversfelde: yes, using that patch would be good
[20:18] <markey> it's safe, and really fixes this issue for good
[20:19] <neversfelde> yes, it fixes it for lucid. I'll test it for karmic later.
[20:20] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: it wasn't in the desktop.xml file
[20:20] <nixternal> so since it was just a package name, i went ahead changed, it, updated the pot file, and created a new package
[20:21] <maco> freeflying: er not you
[20:21] <maco> oh hrmph. freinhard left. well my clock doesnt look funny like his:  http://imagebin.ca/view/xTVIZ7w3.html
[20:32] <genii> DarkwingDuck, nixternal: No dice on the framebuffer change, as far as getting the plymouth logo. I took a pic of what it does look like for the brief moment it is seen during boot/shutdown http://i40.tinypic.com/20gck7o.jpg
[20:37] <nixternal> genii: I have no idea why it isn't working for you and DarkwingDuck...the only difference between it and the ubuntu theme is I changed 2 rgb values (TopBackgroundColor and BottomBackgroundColor) and changed the ubuntu_logo.png to a kubuntu_logo.png which is the same exact format
[20:38] <nixternal> genii: so you do at least get an image at boot or not at all?
[20:38] <nixternal> or was that pic snapped at shutdown? because you said "during boot/shutdown"
[20:39] <genii> nixternal: I get it just at the last moment of booting just before my NVidia logo pops up, and then lust briefly again for another 1/4-1/2 second during shutdown... at the size which you see both times. That particular pic was at shutdown but at both times it appears the same
[20:40] <nixternal> anyone else see a pixbuf error prior to KDM starting? I keep seeing this pixbuf error on a black screen before the kdm image loads, however I can see the mouse cursor at that time
[20:40] <nixternal> i think any issues you are seeing are either related to plymouth or nvidia drivers....the theme isn't the issue, i am fairly positive on that
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> Nope, works fine here with Intel
[20:41] <nixternal> w00t, koffice-l10n built \o/
[20:41] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, same here
[20:41] <genii> nixternal: Yes, I think I'll do some more poking around
[20:41] <Riddell> nixternal: new tar?
[20:41] <nixternal> that's why I think it is the nvidia stuff, because they both are plagued by the nvidia logo on startup :D
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:41] <nixternal> Riddell: yup :) for l10n and koffice
[20:42] <nixternal> building koffice now, first build, where I can do a proper list-missing, then fix that up, then do a pbuilder-build so I can test, and then clean everything up, build one more time, test and commit
[20:43] <nixternal> i try not to upload broken stuff...i think the only thing i upload broken is kubuntu-docs after importing translations...though this time around I have a test bed of other kubuntu installs with various languages (fr, de, zh_CN)
[20:47] <keffie_jayx> hello all, I have just updated my netbook to lucid and I notice lack of window borders when windows are maximized, Is this a feature or a bug?
[20:48] <keffie_jayx> this is netbook-plasma
[20:48] <rgreening> Riddell: there's a new digikam 1.2.0 out. Will we be able to update or is it too late? Prob too late... but I guess we can put in updates
[20:49] <nixternal> keffie_jayx: feature
[20:49] <nixternal> maximizing the amount of screen realestate as possible
[20:49] <keffie_jayx> nixternal:  thanks. I was thinking something had gone wrong with the window border
[20:50] <nixternal> if it is maximized, why the need for a window border right? :)
[20:50] <nixternal> once you unmaximize it, then you get the window border
[20:51] <keffie_jayx> nixternal: right. cool thing then. I am currently trying stuff after an update, a reporting some bugs
[20:51] <keffie_jayx> thanks again
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: that's strange... It works perfect for shutdown but not startup... Its almost as if something turned off a graphic bootloader or something.
[21:07] <nixternal> yeah, probably called nvidia
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'm running an intel vid on my thinkpad though
[21:09] <nixternal> oh?
[21:09] <nixternal> well, I still blame nvidia
[21:10] <DarkwingDuck> where is plymouth installed at?
[21:10] <nixternal> /lib/plymouth
[21:10] <nixternal> /lib/plymouth
[21:10] <nixternal> interesting, usually doing / first doesn't work, but it did for me
[21:15] <DarkwingDuck> is there a plymouth theme switcher?
[21:15] <lex79> Can we put oxygen color scheme in Lucid instead of keeping our colors? bug 551117
[21:17] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[21:18] <DarkwingDuck> okay, brb, lemme try that... there are two choices for kubutnu-logo
[21:19] <DarkwingDuck> an auto and a manual
[21:19] <DarkwingDuck> BRB
[21:20] <nixternal> Riddell: is it safe to upload koffice-l10n prior to koffice?
[21:20] <nixternal> I will wait, as I need a few more hours more than likely, and I don't know if I can dedicate a few more hours straight, would be cutting it close as I am planning on going out this evening
[21:24] <rgreening> Riddell: Uploaded newly fixed kdelib5 to PPA. After it builds, I'll then retry kdebase-workspace, which depends on the changes in kdelibs5.
[21:24] <rgreening> Ill check back later on it.
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: okay, it's not plymouth.
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> For soem reason It's not loading any bootsplash
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> the defualt ubuntu one doesn't work anymore
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> Or rather, it's not your plymouth theme
[21:44] <genii> DarkwingDuck: I got mine working finally
[22:00] <neversfelde> Meeting in 2 hours?
[22:00] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Aye
[22:00] <neversfelde> that's late :)
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> genii: how?
[22:04] <ryanakca> nixternal: update-alternatives vs. plymouth-set-default-theme ?
[22:15] <ScottK> nixternal: The plymouth theme works fine here (also Intel).
[22:18] <nixternal> ryanakca: where is plymouth-set-default-theme? it was removed iirc for update-alternatives
[22:19] <dantti> JontheEchidna: :D It can now save PPD options :D take a look when you can
[22:19] <JontheEchidna> neat!
[22:21] <dantti> JontheEchidna: in regard of changing settings it only misses selecting a different driver (I think I'll do that tomorrow)
[22:21] <nixternal> 16:15:02 [@     root] yahoo - Message from unknown handle manishmotwani:
[22:21] <nixternal> 16:15:02 [@     root] You work for Canonical, right?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:21] <nixternal> LOL, gotta love bitlbee
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: did you see the guy on your blog commenting about the atrocity of an unfinished font not having a K?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> I lol'd
[22:23] <nixternal> yeah
[22:23] <nixternal> ubnt isn't even finished yet
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Know anything about that weird character next to "and" in the sidebar?
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopga1544-jpg.jpg
[22:24] <dantti> JontheEchidna: hmm that was supposed to be a '\n'
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> dantti: I think that the sidebar code handles that automagically
[22:24] <dantti> as it's too wide
[22:24] <dantti> no
[22:25] <dantti> it get's pretty wide
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Oh, it's new in KDE 4.4
[22:25] <dantti> unless there is some hidden option I didn't find..
[22:25] <dantti> or 4.4 :P
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> :)
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Though, doesn't policies imply allowed users?
[22:25] <dantti> maybe that's why you see that char...
[22:26] <dantti> JontheEchidna: what do you mean?
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> I thought policies were where you could define who can do what
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> which is the same as allowed users
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> am I confusing the two?
[22:27] <dantti> well policies at localhost:631, defines just the users that can/can't print
[22:27] <dantti> a no
[22:28] <dantti> the policies are something like printer behavior
[22:28] <dantti> like what to do when it can't print...
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> ooh, ok
[22:28] <dantti> on error retry job
[22:28] <dantti> maybe we can find a less confusing naming
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> Just a bit confused, because the PolKit config modules is called "System Policies" in trunk
[22:28] <dantti> yup :)
[22:34] <dantti> k, got to go now... cya
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> cya
[22:45] <nixternal> damn, no changes to the packaging except for ripping out a patch for koffice
[22:45] <nixternal> i love it when it just works
[23:07] <rgreening> when is the meeting? now or 1 hr?
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> 1hr
[23:08] <apachelogger> \o/ windows xp sp2 :D
[23:09] <rgreening> kk
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: I was thinking... maybe we could deploy KDE updates in form of service packs?
[23:09] <rgreening> ty. UTC drives me nuts with DST
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:09] <rgreening> We should book in GMT no DST
[23:09] <rgreening> :)
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> rgreening: Yeah, Know. LOL
[23:10] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Service packs? That lazy? :P
[23:11] <Tm_T> monday patches
[23:11] <apachelogger> well, we cant push it via the repos
[23:11] <apachelogger> so maybe service packs would be a good approach
[23:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: We mostly need to get upstream to sign up for a policy of bug fix only in third digit updates.
[23:12] <ScottK> I think we can get it pushed through then.
[23:12] <apachelogger> well, until that :)
[23:13]  * apachelogger is getting the midnight hunger
[23:16] <crimsun> crzy-rse mtg times
[23:17] <huats> Does anyone can point me to a simple package that uses CMake ? I'd like to see a bit how it works
[23:17] <nixternal> huats: python or c++?
[23:18] <huats> c++ nixternal
[23:18] <nixternal> umm
[23:18] <nixternal> simple...lets see
[23:18] <ScottK> Any KDE package.
[23:18] <ScottK> Although those aren't typically "simple".
[23:19] <nixternal> huats: partitionmanager is fairly simple
[23:19] <huats> nixternal, actually I give a lesson tomorrow on debian packaging and I know some of my students will ask me about packaging a C++ application that uses CMake :)
[23:19] <huats> nixternal, ok I'll check that one then !
[23:19] <huats> thanks
[23:20] <nixternal> np
[23:21] <apachelogger> omg
[23:21] <apachelogger> I was attacked by spiders
[23:21] <apachelogger> but I managed to escape
[23:22]  * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow
[23:22] <apachelogger> and now I am in posession of
[23:22] <apachelogger> pop corn!
[23:22] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Do you sleep?
[23:22]  * apachelogger invites Nightrose to sit next to him at the meeting, so that he may share
[23:22] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: barely
[23:22] <DarkwingDuck> Insomniatic visions are not good :P
[23:22] <Nightrose> oh dear
[23:22] <Nightrose> meeting
[23:23]  * apachelogger thinks Nightrose is not prepared ^^
[23:23] <Nightrose> :D
[23:23] <apachelogger> oh
[23:24] <apachelogger> I have an agenda item
[23:24]  * Tm_T huggles Nightrose and apachelogger
[23:24]  * apachelogger rehuggles Tm_T
[23:24] <Nightrose> :)
[23:24]  * Nightrose listens to http://buytaert.net/milow-born-in-the-eighties
[23:24] <Nightrose> beautiful song
[23:24] <Tm_T> Nightrose: oh and that one rant in identi.ca, made me wonder why bother to post that poorly articulated stuff...
[23:25] <Nightrose> Tm_T: not just you...
[23:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: what does ICO mean?
[23:25] <Nightrose> the guy's a bit strange
[23:25] <Nightrose> well a bit...
[23:25] <Tm_T> glad I'm not
[23:25] <Tm_T> ...a bit
[23:26]  * apachelogger almost wanted to identica rant about how smb is broken in kde 4.4.0 :P
[23:28] <neversfelde> where is the meeting agenda?
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> \o/ http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopik1544-jpg.jpg
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> when I am too lazy to make a gui for things, I crap it out with kDebug() :P
[23:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: google kubuntu wiki meetings
[23:30] <kubotu> Results for kubuntu wiki meetings: 1. Desktop Team 20090623 meeting minutes: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02067.html | 2. Print Page - Lucid Release Schedule, Plans, KDE 4.4: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3108103.0 | 3. Re: Kubuntu meeting in ~2 hours (#ubuntu-meeting) - msg#02316 ...: http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-users/2010-01/msg02316.html
[23:30] <apachelogger> hm
[23:30] <apachelogger> neversfelde: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[23:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thanks
[23:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hehe, cool
[23:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also kdebug++
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the "actually make this apt implementation install stuff" is going to be the harder part, as long as I want to have PolicyKit integration so apps using it can be run as a normal user
[23:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how so?
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> gotta pass things between processes, iirc.
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> also, I'll have to look at another api. Though if I conquered apt-pkg I guess it won't be too hard
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> using apt-pkg means using crazy pointer-fu
[23:36] <apachelogger> pointers!!!
[23:36] <Tm_T> pointy fingers!
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> pkgCache::VerIterator ver = (*m_depCache)[*m_packageIter].CandidateVerIter(*m_depCache);
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[23:37] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ICO is a naval term sorry... it means "In Care Of"
[23:37] <apachelogger> ah :)
[23:38]  * apachelogger notes that shtylman doesnt have a wiki page and will have to get grilled a lot for that :P
[23:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: at least there aint is no ** ;)
[23:38] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Velvet purple always works for weddings...
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: After that bit of pointer madness, we then get the file list from that version iterator, make a pkgRecords::Parser out of that, then do a lookupon the parser for the version maintainer
[23:38] <neversfelde> apachelogger: mhh https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RomanShtylman
[23:38] <shtylman> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanShtylman
[23:38] <neversfelde> just read it
[23:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the first dereferenceis not necessary btw
[23:38] <apachelogger> s/./->
[23:39] <huats> nixternal, where is defined the install target in the partitionmanager package ?
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so m_packageIter->CandidateIterVer?
[23:39] <huats> I have a simple helloworld here that fails to build because of that :(
[23:39] <apachelogger> shtylman: your lp thingy ... erm page ... should link there I suppsoe :)
[23:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: m_depCache[*m_packageIter]->CandidateVerIter(*m_depCache);
[23:40] <apachelogger> possibley put the stuff before the -> into bracets
[23:41] <apachelogger> or maybe I am already to drunk to parse pointers ^^
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Isn't that supposed to help?
[23:41] <apachelogger> not past ballmer peak ^^
[23:43] <ScottK> Ah, true.
[23:45] <lex79> JontheEchidna: any thoughts on this? bug 551117
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I remember that we had a custom setting in there in the past, but since the whole dir structure got moved around I've not been able to find it. But I do know it's still lingering around somewhere
[23:46] <apachelogger> probably in kdeglobals
[23:46] <apachelogger> we did not have a proper colors profile for that
[23:46] <apachelogger> which I wanted to fix at some point ^^
[23:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, lex79: my two cents: I never liked our brighter version, I am scared it will give me eye cancer or something
[23:47] <apachelogger> way too bright IMHO
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:47] <apachelogger> oxygen is just right
[23:47] <JontheEchidna> especially on LCD's that have less contrast capabilites
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> o,r I should say, lower-quality contrast capabilities
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> too bight
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> bla
[23:48] <nixternal> huats: you pass -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX= to tell it where to install
[23:48] <lex79> apachelogger: ok, who wants fix that? :D
[23:48]  * apachelogger points at lex79 :P
[23:48] <apachelogger> omg
[23:48] <nixternal> more than likely there is a dh --with-kde in debian/rules, and that tells it '-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix`'
[23:48]  * lex79 points to JontheEchidna :P
[23:49] <huats> nixternal, ok
[23:49] <apachelogger> austria radio only features crap -.-
[23:49] <nixternal> umm, i might be leaving dangit
[23:49] <huats> this was something I have removed to strip down to the essential :)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this is the closest I found in kdeglobals:
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> [Colors:Window]
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> BackgroundNormal=233,232,232
[23:50] <apachelogger> that is it
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> the whole colorscheme?
[23:50] <apachelogger> we only changed the main color
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> ah
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> the blues looked a bit different, I thought
[23:50] <apachelogger> that is probably why we did not create a whole scheme
[23:50]  * apachelogger beings to remember :D
[23:50] <lex79> you should remove that to fix
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> I'll put it on the agenda for this meeting, since it's an artwork meeting anyways
[23:51] <lex79> sounds good
[23:53] <rgreening> I cant change my password on my system. I get "system error" and an exit code of 10. THe man page does not show exit codes beyond 5!!?!?!
[23:53] <rgreening> grrrr
[23:56] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: kubuntu-ppa/experimental?
[23:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: google kubuntu wiki kubuntu ppas experimental
[23:56] <kubotu> Results for kubuntu wiki kubuntu ppas experimental: 1. News | Kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.org/news | 2. KDE 4.2 Beta 2 | Kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2 | 3. Kubuntu - Konversation: http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[23:56] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:57] <apachelogger> google is quite the horrible search engine
[23:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[23:57] <DarkwingDuck> But, that's where I would do right? I can find it
[23:57] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs#Kubuntu Experimental
[23:57] <DarkwingDuck> #ubuntu-meeting right?
[23:57] <apachelogger> looks like it
[23:58] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks apachelogger
[23:58] <DarkwingDuck> for the experimental ppa link
[23:58] <Riddell> ** meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[23:58]  * apachelogger is wondering if we have quorum at all
[23:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[23:58] <kubotu> alright
[23:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic set Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting