[00:01] <almoxarife> since upgrading I can't seem to get my machine showing up on the workgroup in network, and I don't have any idea where to make the fix, even though I have one folder and a printer on share, any thoughts?
[00:02] <penguin42> lots of people seem to be having samba issues
[00:02] <almoxarife> penguin42: cool, at least my problem is not some obscure thing
[00:02] <Scotie> Hi, does someone know how i can reduce the side of the desktop icons in Lucid Lynix
[00:04] <arand> Scotie: Icon view default zoom level in nautilus, will affect the file browser as well though.
[00:04] <Scotie> ok, thx take a try
[00:05] <gnomefreak> almoxarife: join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:06] <almoxarife> gnomefreak: why?
[00:06] <gnomefreak> almoxarife: you want help with the thunderbird bug?
[00:07] <Volkodav> almoxarife:
[00:07] <mawst> When is Lucid coming out as stable?
[00:07] <almoxarife> Volkodav: ?
[00:07] <yofel> mawst: see schedule in the topic
[00:07] <Volkodav> I would check your smb.config
[00:07] <mawst> Oh thanks.
[00:07] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:08] <gnomefreak> mawst: end opf april give or take
[00:09] <Volkodav> it could have been wiped on upgrade
[00:12] <deanus> The Lynx effect....
[00:13] <deanus> would be a great commercial :)  hundreds chicks NOT coming anywhere near you...
[00:18] <seidos> anyone else having problems with suspend/resume?
[00:21] <seidos> is there a particular place in launchpad to create bugs for lucid?
[00:21] <kprav33n> Thunderbird still keeps moving the .thunderbird to .thunderbird.upstream after I reboot.
[00:21] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:56] <brianherman> so i posted a really bad bug on 10.04 yesterday
[00:57] <brianherman> on wubi
[00:57] <brianherman> it reformats
[00:57] <brianherman> every time you install
[00:57] <brianherman> i mean
[00:57] <brianherman> reboot
[01:04] <rsk> brianherman where's wubi for lynx?
[01:04] <brianherman> rsk:wubi for ubuntu 10.04?
[01:05] <brianherman> oh
[01:05] <brianherman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439526
[01:05] <brianherman> i thought you meant lynx the web browser
[01:07] <deanus> in a 10.04 channel?  lol
[01:09] <brianherman> well
[01:09] <brianherman> tell me what happens i would like to know if it reformats
[01:13] <Guest79388> I take it nautilus is broken in 10.04?  When I boot to gnome nautilus keeps opening and crashing on its onw.
[01:13] <Guest79388> *own
[01:17] <kprav33n> My Thunderbird 3 woes were due to an Google Contacts addon.
[01:17] <kprav33n>  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/7307
[01:17] <kprav33n>  This was the one that was creating .mozilla-thunderbird directory on startup.
[01:17] <kprav33n>  When I disabled this extension everything is working fine.
[01:17] <kprav33n>  Thanks for all the help.
[01:35] <schlaftier> Are there gstreamer plugins in Lucid to support H.264?
[01:41] <MTughan> schlaftier: Open a H.264 file in Totem and let it try to find a package.
[01:45] <schlaftier> MTughan: apparently it works, just not when I try the Youtube HTML5 Beta in Midori (which is supposed to use gstreamer)
[01:46] <MTughan> schlaftier: Does Midori specify HTML5 video as supported?
[01:47] <mM94> anyone else still suffering from the slow browsing regression from karmic?
[01:47] <schlaftier> MTughan: It does, but all I see is "Your browser does not currently recognise any of the video formats available."
[01:49] <schlaftier> MTughan: and in the Midori FAQ it says "Webkit using gstreamer 0.10 as a video framework. So in order to make it [HTML5 video] work make sure that you have following gstreamer packages installed:"
[01:49] <MTughan> schlaftier: And you have the specified packages installed?
[01:50] <schlaftier> MTughan: of course. It's only gstreamer0.10-alsa and gstreamer0.10-plugins-good and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[01:51] <MTughan> gstreamer-plugins-good? That sounds odd...
[01:51] <MTughan> H.264 is a patented format, I don't think its codec would go in plugins-good.
[01:51] <MTughan> Could be in ffmpeg though actually.
[01:51] <schlaftier> MTughan: that's for theora, I suppose
[01:51] <MTughan> Yeah, theora would be in plugins-good.
[01:52] <schlaftier> MTughan: H.264 should be in ffmpeg, yes
[01:52] <MTughan> Hold on, let me fetch my Ubuntu laptop. This desktop runs Fedora 12.
[01:53] <Chipaca> h.264 is patented?
[01:53] <MTughan> Yes. Which is why Firefox won't support it.
[01:53] <MTughan> By the MPEG-LA.
[01:54] <Chipaca> yep, reading up on that
[01:54] <Chipaca> sucks
[01:56] <MTughan> schlaftier: Midori plays HTML5 video on my laptop here. I have -ffmpeg, -plugins-good, -plugins-bad, -plugins-base, and -plugins-ugly installed right now.
[01:57] <MTughan> I'll try removing ugly and bad and try again.
[01:57] <schlaftier> MTughan: wait a second
[01:57] <schlaftier> MTughan: I have no problem with HTML5 per se (theora plays fine), but with H.264
[01:57] <MTughan> schlaftier: Sorry, this was on YouTube, so it's H.264.
[01:57] <schlaftier> I see
[01:58] <schlaftier> which is exactly what I'm after
[01:58] <MTughan> Okay... Video plays with -bad and -ugly removed, but the sound's gone.
[02:00] <MTughan> Sound back with -bad readded.
[02:00] <schlaftier> MTughan: okay, so we know the sound is in -bad, but which package is the video in?
[02:01] <schlaftier> and why does Totem play H.264 while Midori does not?
[02:01] <MTughan> schlaftier: I suspect ffmpeg. Let's confirm that.
[02:02] <MTughan> schlaftier: Yep. Sound, but no video with ffmpeg removed.
[02:03] <MTughan> So my machine with Lucid needs gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg and gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad to play YouTube video.
[02:05] <schlaftier> MTughan: this is strange, as I have both of these, and have H.264 support in Totem but not in Midori
[02:06] <MTughan> schlaftier: Did you restart Midori after applying those packages?
[02:06] <MTughan> It seems to require a restart to apply changes.
[02:07] <schlaftier> MTughan: I did. Actually I had them already, removed them (no video in Totem), installed them again, restarted Midori
[02:07] <MTughan> schlaftier: If Totem can play H.264 with sound, then I don't know why Midori can't.
[02:08] <MTughan> You've enabled the HTML5 part I presume, and it's not trying to send you Flash?
[02:08] <schlaftier> MTughan: probably my Midori is broken.
[02:08] <schlaftier> MTughan: yes, it even tells me I do not have the necessary codec and provides a link to HTML5 troubleshooting
[02:09] <MTughan> schlaftier: Midori says I have version 0.2.2, with WebKitGTK+ 1.1.21.
[02:18] <schlaftier> MTughan: thanks for your help, but still no luck with H.264. I will stick with Flash for the moment (after all, there are more important things than Youtube) and try again on a fresh Lucid stable install
[02:19] <MTughan> schlaftier: Sounds good. Sorry to disappoint, but it's hard to figure something out when it's not happening to you.
[02:20] <schlaftier> MTughan: After all, it's really strange, isn't it? Totem plays H.264, Midori plays HTML5 videos, but no HTML5+H.264
[02:20] <MTughan> Agreed, it is odd.
[02:20] <MTughan> Unless we're using different versions of the packages, and there's a problem somewhere in there.
[02:21] <schlaftier> MTughan: I'm glad it works for you, I already assumed it was not possible at all due to licensing issues
[02:21] <seidos> what flash package should I install to get flash working?
[02:22] <seidos> I tried flashplug-installer
[02:22] <seidos> *flashplugin-installer
[02:24] <seidos> nevermind
[02:24] <seidos> had to restart firefox
[02:30] <schlaftier> MTughan: I compiled the most recent Midori from source and it works! Yay!
[02:30] <MTughan> schlaftier: Perfect, sounds like your Midori was out of date then or something.
[02:30] <MTughan> Also, while I remember, is it possible to disable the "scrolling" of programs if I accidentally hit the horizontal scroll on the program bar?
[02:32] <schlaftier> MTughan: I thought I had made sure everything was up to date, though. But I'm just glad it works
[02:32] <schlaftier> MTughan: what's a program bar?
[02:33] <MTughan> schlaftier: Not sure what to call it. The opposite end of the screen from the menu bar. I mean the bar at the bottom with the virtual desktops and the running GUI programs.
[02:35] <schlaftier> MTughan: ah, the bottom panel. It's just an instance of gnome-panel (or xfce-panel or whatever DE you're using). But I only use one panel and no task switcher, and it's fixed, so no idea
[02:36] <wageslave> Hi, I have a problem with the install on 10.04.  Is this the place to ask a question about that issue?
[02:37] <MTughan> wageslave: Yep.
[02:40] <wageslave> MTughan:  It may actually be bug with isolinux or gfxboot.  The graphical boot doesn't appear and instead I get a ncurses menu.  I went back and I had the same problem with 9.10 and 9.04.  8.10 worked, however.
[02:41] <MTughan> wageslave: Have you tried searching the Launchpad for a bug? If it's been around since 9.04, it's likely been filed.
[02:41] <wageslave> Mtughan: My video card is an antique TI TVP4020 [Permedia 2]
[02:42] <wageslave> MTughan: Yes, I searched and didn't find anything.
[02:42] <MTughan> Perhaps it's not supported anymore even in Linux then?
[02:42] <wageslave> MTughan:  The glint driver still works under X.
[02:43] <MTughan> wageslave: Do you know where the menu shows? Is it in GRUB or past GRUB?
[02:44] <wageslave> MTughan:  Right at the beginning.  I get the isolinux banner, then "boot:" and when I hit enter I get the ncurses menu.
[02:44] <MTughan> Sounds like GRUB, I think...
[02:46] <wageslave> MTughan:  To me it's not such a big deal if it doesn't get fixed as I am fine with a non-graphical installer, and the box is just a sandbox.
[02:47] <wageslave> But if this card isn't supported I think that should be noted.
[02:48] <Berzerker> anyone upgrade a karmic UNR to a lucid UNE successfully?
[02:49] <alex_mayorga> !info quadrapassel
[02:50] <alex_mayorga> does it work for you?
[02:50] <alex_mayorga> causes X errors here
[02:51] <Berzerker> just wondering if anyone's done that before and experienced errors
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> Odd.. alt-tab is not working here now.. wonder why.
[02:53] <Berzerker> Dr_Willis: have anything on that? Upgrading UNR from 9.10 to 10.04, want to know if anyone's run into any bad hitches
[02:53] <cozziemoto> hey guys.. when trying   plymouth-set-default-theme --list in terminal it says I need to install plymouth which is installed..is there another command to change the default them?
[02:53] <Imunalia> I am trouble with my lid switch anyone feeling ambitious?
[02:53] <navetz> my network messed up while upgrading to lucid, can someone help me fix it
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> Berzerker:  not sure what had it disabled.. i just loaded up ccsm and enabled  a plugin.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Berzerker:  I dont evenhave UNR on this box.
[02:54] <navetz> i just want to have wicd running and nothing else like before
[02:54] <Berzerker> Dr_Willis: just wondering if you've heard anything
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Berzerker:  not really. I have had issues using UNR+Ubuntu-desktop on the same machine
[02:56] <wageslave> MTughan: So you think my problem is a bug in GRUB?
[02:56] <MTughan> wageslave: Dunno. Sounds like it, but I can't be sure.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> well bbl. Work time for me
[02:58] <AbortD> did anyone upgrade lucid in the past day and it now says mythbuntu?
[03:00] <Imunalia> Does anyone have trouble getting their screen to come back on after closing their lid?
[03:00] <AbortD> on battery or on ac
[03:01] <Imunalia> both
[03:01] <Imunalia> I tried a few fixes so far that worked in karmic but no such luck in lucid
[03:02] <Imunalia> just tried manually tweaking the lid script
[03:03] <wageslave> MTughan: Thanks
[03:07] <Imunalia> gonna try my tweek, may have to reboot
[03:08] <Imunalia> Success sorta....
[03:10] <MTughan> Am I able to customize the notifications that are shown for network events, or at least change the time that they're shown for?
[03:11] <arand> If it possible to get hold of more recent wubi than beta1?
[03:11] <MTughan> arand: Beta 1 is the latest AFAIK.
[03:11] <MTughan> Available anywhere that is, not just from Wubi.
[03:12] <arand> I was trying to build from lp branch but that errored on not finding setup.py ...
[03:12] <Imunalia_> So I take back my success it just didn't turn the screen off
[03:12] <Imunalia> until 30 secs after I let go of the button :-(
[03:15] <Imunalia> So any idea what I might try?
[03:16] <arand> MTughan: To customize notify-osd, hack the source, sad but true.
[03:16] <Roasted> wut wut
[03:16] <Roasted> whats up guys
[03:17] <arand> Roasted: Not much, usual plymouth breakage..
[03:17] <Roasted> arand, sounds fun. is there an official place to file lucid bugs?
[03:17] <MTughan> arand: Seriously? Ouch...
[03:18] <Roasted> I have a laptop here with an atheros card that wont connect to a WPA network in karmic. I just tried todays daily build of 10.04 and it's doing the same thing.
[03:18] <arand> MTughan: actually nothing serious, at least not on my part, heard some people got booted into a blank xfce environment though..
[03:19] <arand> Roasted: Launchpad?
[03:20] <MTughan> arand: No, I was talking about notify-osd. :P
[03:21] <arand> MTughan: Ah right, yea it's hardcoded by "design criteria" kind-of.
[03:21] <robotti^> Roasted: It is normal. My laptop also do not want connect WPA networks
[03:21] <robotti^> only for wep and open networks :)
[03:21] <MTughan> arand: Really? I find it's about 3x as long as it needs to be.
[03:23] <arand> MTughan: I'm not sure if the signal that's being sent by network-manager can be modified, well anyways either hack that or notify-osd.
[03:24] <Roasted> robotti^, it works fine in XP. So I know it CAN indeed connect to WPA networks (as far as hardware goes)
[03:25] <MTughan> arand: Thanks. I'll leave it for now though.
[03:27] <robotti^> Roasted: Yes. My wi-fi set is working also correctly on mac os x and windows
[03:27] <robotti^> but not on ubuntu
[03:27] <Roasted> robotti^, thing is, people have said this exact card works fine in ubuntu, whcih enrages me that I cant get it to work.
[03:27] <Roasted> plus to see 10.04 not having fixed it, despite its beta stage, is kind of upsetting
[03:27] <MTughan> I have a WPA2 wireless network working fine with Windows, OS X, and two Linux computers in my house.
[03:27] <robotti^> because of proprietary wi-fi driver
[03:27] <robotti^> okay
[03:28] <MTughan> Intel Wireless Link 5100 in one of the Linux laptops. Works with both Fedora 12 and Ubuntu 10.04b1.
[03:28] <robotti^> on my laptop there is broadcom
[03:29] <Roasted> broadcom works fine in my experience
[03:29] <Roasted> Im using na atheros in the problematic laptop
[03:29] <MTughan> Without OSS drivers.
[03:30] <robotti^> now I am running ubuntu on virtual machine :)
[03:35] <Roasted> so Im trying to use ubuntu bug to report a problem, come up with 2 options - storage devices, or other. I hit other, and it errors out from no PID. What the...?
[03:36] <skydrome> can you echo $? of the 2nd to last command?
[03:39] <rocky> has python2.5 been removed from lucid?
[03:40] <MTughan> Yes.
[03:40] <rocky> so what versions of python are available in lucid?
[03:40] <MTughan> 2.6 and some versions of 3. I'm not interested in 3, so I haven't checked them out.
[03:41] <rocky> that's too bad, i like having multiple versions of 2.x
[03:41] <MTughan> You can still compile from source if you feel the need.
[03:41] <rocky> i will
[03:50] <dbugger> Ey guys, any idea why updating to the Beta turns my ubuntu into Mythbuntu???
[03:51] <arand> dbugger: Bug #550237
[03:52] <dbugger> It's the second time I try the update and everything goes to hell :S This is the worst beta release I've ever seen
[03:52] <arand> dbugger: plymouth dependency mismatch, instructions for recovery are on report.
[03:53] <dbugger> the plymouth doesnt bother me, but nothing works after that
[03:53] <dbugger> the desktop is gone, except for the time :P
[03:54] <MTughan> dbugger: I believe fixing plymouth also fixes that.
[03:54] <arand> dbugger: Like I said, instructions for recovery are on the bug report linked, it's a simple procedure.
[03:54] <dbugger> Really?? Well, anyway, I'll wait for the Official Release. But this was really awful bug
[03:55] <dbugger> So far the Lucid experience is being terrible :(
[03:55] <arand> dbugger: You will need to fix it manually at this stage when the bug has already hit.
[03:55] <dbugger> arand, already wiped it all over...
[03:55] <dbugger> Since I couldnt connect to the IRC with the that OS :P
[03:56] <MTughan> dbugger: There's the possibility of such a bug with a beta. That's why it's still a beta, with about a month left to release.
[03:56] <arand> dbugger: Well, that's always one way to solve it :/
[03:56] <dbugger> arand, hard to find the way to solve it without internet :S
[03:57] <arand> dbugger: Didn't even have a liveCD?
[03:57] <dbugger> MTughan, the 2 bugs I've had so far trying to upgrade to beta seem more fitting of an alpha phase than a Beta
[03:57] <dbugger> arand, I didnt think of that :P
[03:57] <dbugger> Anyway, thanks for the help. Good to know it's accounted for. I'll wait for the official release
[03:58] <arand> dbugger: There is no risk-specification in alpha/beta, everything prior to final is to be considered volatile ;)
[03:58] <dbugger> Then what's different between alpha and beta?
[03:58] <Damascene> any one with rtl language?
[03:58] <melkor> So right now my biggest complaint is the laptop lid issue, I would like to close my laptop lid and use a second monitor.  How would I go about making sure that is on the agenda?
[03:59] <arand> dbugger: alpha is new features, beta is bugfixing, I think, roughly speaking.
[03:59] <dbugger> gtta go. Thaks for al!
[04:15] <navetz> guys i acidently deleted the script /sbin/dhclient3, how do I get it back?
[04:16] <avar> navetz: aptitude install dhcp3-client
[04:19] <navetz> avar: ah thanks
[04:23] <navetz> humm okay i cant seem to get wireless working on my upgrade to lucid
[04:24] <virtuald> hmm did that really work? i think you have to do aptitude reinstall dhcp3-client
[04:24] <navetz> virtuald: thats what I did, wired connection is working but not wireless
[04:26] <navetz> virtuald: when wicd tries to connect to wireless it shows a bunch of random characters and slashes, and I get this error message: DHCP connection failed
[04:26] <navetz> using dhcpcd or another supported client may work better
[04:27] <virtuald> hm what about network manager?
[04:27] <virtuald> or hmm
[04:27] <navetz> virtuald: i removed network manager a while ago
[04:27] <navetz> should i try install dhcpcd?
[04:27] <virtuald> dhcp failed.. but you do have /sbin/dhclient now?
[04:28] <navetz> virtuald: yup
[04:29] <virtuald> i don't really have any wireless debugging skills
[04:29] <navetz> virtuald: alright thanks for trying :)
[04:29] <virtuald> but there must be lots of info on the wiki and forums
[04:29] <tyler_> ive got a weird glitch with java.. if i make firefox fullscreen or do anything to affect the browser viewing area, the game im playign (runescape) which should autoresize its viewing area is not doing so, im guessing java isnt reporting back the new resolution of the viewing area?
[04:30] <virtuald> navetz: hm what do you mean dhcp failed, did it time out?
[04:31] <navetz> virtuald: humm thats just what it says. there is some more to it as well. I will pastebin the error log 1 sec
[04:32] <virtuald> ok
[04:33] <navetz> virtuald: http://pastebin.org/127230
[04:34] <pepee> I have this issue when I try to run a gnome app (gupnp-universal-cp): http://pastebin.com/AzkEEScn
[04:34] <pepee> ( my DE is KDE4.4.1 )
[04:35] <virtuald> navetz: ok that doesn't say much (except for "try dhcpcd"
[04:35] <virtuald> )
[04:35] <navetz> virtuald: ill try intsalling it
[04:38] <Lajosward> I am haveing problems with compizconfig-settings-manager on 10.01 the warping setting for cube is not there and not seeing it under anything else do i need another app to get it to go cube?
[04:40] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, do you mean Deformation?  changing the cube into a cylinder?  i'm not sure what you mean my "warping".
[04:41] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, and it's 10.04 BTW
[04:42] <Lajosward> yes
[04:42] <ZykoticK9> yes to deformation?
[04:42] <Lajosward> yes to both
[04:42] <Lajosward> noticed the type-o
[04:42] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, did you install CCSM or simple-ccsm?  cause deformation is certainly present in ccsm.
[04:43] <Lajosward> ccsm
[04:43] <ZykoticK9> search deformation in ccsm then
[04:43] <Lajosward> threw the softwarecenter on 10.04
[04:44] <Lajosward> says no matchs found
[04:44] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, don't know what to say then.  When i search I get "Cube Reflection and Deformation"
[04:44] <fatbrain> is there a realtime kernel in lucid somewhere? trying to run jack in realtime and I get some errors :S any noob'ish way to fixing that?
[04:45] <Lajosward> should i uninstall and reinstall?
[04:45] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, i doubt that will help - but i guess it's worth a try.
[04:47] <Lajosward> i am  at second look i guess i clicked the option under it and installed you are correct i had the wrong version ty for helping the tard
[04:47] <Neezer> I'm looking to get a 30GB SSD for my os, and then use an external drive for storage for my media files. Is 30 GB large enough for the SSD drive? the OCZ vertex is down to 79 bucks after the mail in rebate.
[04:47] <Lajosward> hmm
[04:48] <Neezer> I know this isn't lucid specific, but I will be installing lucid on it.
[04:48] <Neezer> I have Lucid on my laptop right now and love it.
[04:49] <navetz> guys if anyone here can help me getting wireless working in lucid that would be great
[04:52] <Neezer> hmmm...so is 30 GB large enough for a decent system? i'll be putting my music and movies on an external USB for when I want to use those...
[04:53] <arand> Neezer: Ubuntu can normally make do fine on ~10GB, if nothing particularly huge is installed or stored on the root FS.
[04:55] <Neezer> arand, I'm not planning on installing much of anyything extra on it besides 10.04. maybe handbrake, but i'll be ripping movies straight to the USB drive. Then I can play music and movies from the usb drive.
[05:04] <Lajosward> ok anything i download will go into the section that i made for ubuntu correct?
[05:05] <Lajosward> and once that is full i am out of room ?
[05:12] <AbortD> anyone know where i can find the get64flash script?
[05:14] <Lajosward> ok will this update all the way to the 29th release or will i have to redownload at release date?
[05:15] <Laibcoms> all the way
[05:19] <Lajosward> ty
[05:19] <git__> yo
[05:20] <Lajosward> just went full linux system today
[05:20] <git__> Lajosward, you'll be sorry
[05:20] <Lajosward> why is that?
[05:21] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, you won't be sorry :)
[05:22] <git__> you're living on th edge
[05:22] <Lajosward> i noticed apon running linux that winblows was eating 25% of my bandwith
[05:23] <arand> Beta is for those who won't be sorry about petty breakage, so obviously Lajosward won't be sorry ;)
[05:25] <Lajosward> i also have two other boxes here
[05:25] <vexati0n> i need serious help with lucid
[05:25] <vexati0n> from the first Alpha until the current Beta release, the system is absolutely useless because my keyboard constantly dumps garbage to the input
[05:26] <vexati0n> does anyone know what could be causing this, or a way for me to find out?
[05:27] <git__> vexati0n, /dev/input/by-path
[05:28] <git__> vexati0n, see what your keyboard device is, you can capture keyboard events
[05:28] <Lajosward> Only a month till release thats one reason i decided just to go with the beta and start working with it
[05:28] <git__> haha
[05:29] <vexati0n> but how do i enter any commands when the system is being DDOS'd by they keyboard driver?
[05:29] <vexati0n> lol
[05:29] <git__> you should do your own regression test on your hardware
[05:29] <Imunalia> Has anyone had an issue where closeing the lid on their laptop causes their system to crash?
[05:29] <git__> my experience with 9.10 wasn't a good one.
[05:29] <Lajosward> Nightmareish?
[05:30] <git__> vexati0n, lolz, are u able to boot in rescue mode?
[05:30] <git__> Lajosward, hell ya, ext4 choked
[05:30] <Lajosward> :-/
[05:30] <git__> whenever you try to do any file transfers over 4GB, ur system freezes ... it's fixed on the latest kernel
[05:31] <vexati0n> yes git__
[05:31] <Lajosward> Have a friend that updated and apon restart it went grub
[05:31] <Lajosward> still cant get it going
[05:31] <Laibcoms> Imunalia, I heard from my friends they're having issues as well.  Haven't experience on my end tho.
[05:31] <Lajosward> with 9.10
[05:32] <git__> Lajosward, might as well skip 9.10 and go onto 10.04
[05:32] <Imunalia> K, I can't get any error messages because the screen doesnt get the command to turn back on, all I can do is press power which reboots the computer
[05:32] <Imunalia> how would one go about disabling the button from being read or forcing its state to stay in the open position
[05:33] <git__> lucid is still having the same suspend and resume problem as 9.10 :(
[05:34] <Lajosward> so just tell him to go ahead and go with lucid?
[05:34] <Imunalia> I had a similar problem in 9.10 but It didnt crash it just flickered
[05:35] <git__> my problem was when i close and open the lid, the screen is blank but my laptop seems to be on
[05:36] <git__> i believe most suspend/resume are the result of poor video driver interacting with X
[05:37] <Imunalia> when you press the power button does your computer reboot
[05:44] <vexati0n> it's too bad lucid is completely useless for me... it looks like a really nice system when the screen isn't flashing
[05:45] <AbortD> karmic doesnt work for me but lucid does
[05:46] <Lajosward> will be back in a few mins about to restart after updates
[05:47] <AbortD> i updated last night and ended up with a mythbuntu flash screen
[05:47] <Lajosward> lol
[05:47] <Lajosward> running reg ubuntu?
[05:47] <AbortD> yup
[05:47] <Lajosward> lol
[05:47] <AbortD> :P
[05:48] <AbortD> thats what i said heh
[05:48] <nishanth> someone know how to solve the flashplugin crashing problem?
[05:48] <AbortD> i laughed then cried though
[05:48] <AbortD> cause i hate dealing with flash
[05:48] <AbortD> nishanth, are you on ubuntu 64?
[05:48] <nishanth> yes
[05:48] <Lajosward> as long as i dont end up with a winblows one i will be fine
[05:48] <AbortD> nishanth, install the 64 bit version
[05:49] <nishanth> i am on 64 bit version
[05:49] <AbortD> oh hm
[05:49] <AbortD> ubuntu has me upset right now
[05:49] <nishanth> is there a way to make sure that i have 64 bit?
[05:50] <AbortD> how did u install it
[05:50] <nishanth> well i initially installed 9.10 then upgraded to lucid
[05:50] <AbortD> k
[05:50] <AbortD> and then
[05:50] <Imunalia> well given up on this one for tonight, maybe it will get fixed by release date
[05:50] <Imunalia> gnight
[05:50] <AbortD> what Imunalia
[05:51] <Imunalia> When I close the lid on my lappy the computer crashes
[05:51] <nishanth> and the the flash always crashes a million times a day
[05:51] <Imunalia> pressing the power button resarts the computer
[05:52] <AbortD> and yer running gnome right?
[05:52] <nishanth> does anyone know a fix?
[05:52] <AbortD> does the kernel crash or does the whole system crash
[05:52] <nishanth> it is so annoying and frustrating
[05:52] <AbortD> how do i enable buttons in flash 32bit i forgot
[05:52] <AbortD> hehe
[05:53] <Imunalia> don't know because the screen wont come back on
[05:53] <AbortD> even if u hit the power button to turn it on?
[05:53] <Imunalia> yes on gnome, fresh install fully up to date as of today
[05:53] <kiaas_> Is it possible to enable btrfs in ubuntu 10.04's installer?
[05:53] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, you mean click in flash32 isn't working?
[05:54] <AbortD> yeah u told me how to fix it last night
[05:54] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-
[05:54] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, i had to reinstall ubuntu
[05:54] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, error 1 sec
[05:54] <AbortD> i updated last night and it went into mythbuntu
[05:54] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working
[05:54] <AbortD> man people in #ubuntu are not nice
[05:55] <kiaas_> Actually, I'll just use ext4. I hope to use btrfs in the future though
[05:55] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, i did seem a little deja-vu
[05:55] <TimU> Installing lucid right now. "Downloading language packs" took 40+ minutes. Should I report as a bug or ignore?
[05:55] <AbortD> hehe yeah i updated and it was saying mythbuntu i got mad cause i was tired and didnt get on the pc till today
[05:55] <AbortD> a lil earlier
[05:56] <ZykoticK9> TimU, i've started to just press the "skip" button on that
[05:56] <nishanth> some one know how to fix npviewer.bin
[05:56] <nishanth> ?
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, that's flash
[05:58] <arand> Right, now the forums should be well-spammed for all "lubuntu/mythbuntu wth?" threads, for now...
[05:58] <nishanth> ZykoticK9:how can i fix it
[05:58] <NoCode> Is there a torrent out for the latest daily(or weekly) build?
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, what's wrong with it?  what browser are you using?  are you on 32 or 64 bit?
[05:59] <nishanth> i am using chrome . and i think i have the 64 bit. the flash player keep crashing
[05:59] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, the dailys don't seem to have torrents?
[05:59] <nishanth> like every hour
[05:59] <NoCode> ZykoticK9: Alpha 1 had a torrent.
[05:59] <NoCode> or has
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, the alpha/beta releases do have torrents yes
[06:00] <kiaas_> You should use the 64bit flash alpha, and not the 32bit flash in a wrapper to work on 64bit.
[06:00] <nishanth> ZykoticK9: do you know to fix this?
[06:00] <kiaas_> or have they finally updated the 64bit flash?
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, see kiaas_ comment above (i just use the 32bit one myself without issue)
[06:00] <NoCode> Is there an alpha 2 torrent then?
[06:01] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, beta1 at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[06:01] <arand> NoCode: I think the alphas are gone and rm'd by now
[06:01] <nishanth> how can i get the 64bit flash
[06:01] <NoCode> arand: why would they be?
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, even beta1 is quasi outdated with all the updates since release
[06:02] <NoCode> ZykoticK9: Which alpha are the developers working on?
[06:02] <arand> NoCode: Horribly out-of-date?
[06:02] <NoCode> since release?
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, alpha comes before beta - last release was beta1
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> NoCode, release of beta1
[06:02] <NoCode> there we go. That makes more sense.
[06:03] <Laibcoms> NoCode, they're at Beta1 (+1 week worth of daily updates)
[06:03] <NoCode> I'll download the first beta then. Thanks.
[06:03] <kiaas_> weee, 10.04 install in a VM is 80% done
[06:05] <Laibcoms> I'm not sure when Beta2 will be (if there ever will be), so if you're comfortable with Beta quality OS, get it while there's only a week's worth of updates :)
[06:05] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, when is beta 2
[06:05] <kiaas_> 9.10 pretty much forced me into using a different OS. So I installed windows XP..and have been regretting using something so...limited.
[06:05] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, 12 days
[06:05] <hifi> how safe would upgrading from karmic to lucid beta be right now?
[06:05] <AbortD> i thought it was 13 days from thursday
[06:05] <arand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule is in the topic ↑↑
[06:06] <NoCode> kiaas_: Have you tried Debian? There are more distros than Ubuntu! :P
[06:06] <kiaas_> NoCode, yes, I have actually. I had a box running it until a bit of curruption made it unusable.
[06:07] <NoCode> Ah
[06:07] <NoCode> Hopefully I can install another distro. I'm getting a fan error upon start up.
[06:07] <kiaas_> But I'm not comfortable with installing the ATI/Nvidia drivers for some reason
[06:07] <Laibcoms> kiaas_, limited = windows then?  If so, that's a good testimony ;) worth posting on websites
[06:07] <NoCode> The fan is either cooked, or works when it wants to. :P
[06:08] <AbortD> hifi, i hate upgrading i back up and install
[06:08] <kiaas_> Windows makes me feel awfully limited in what I can do
[06:08] <kiaas_> but that's because I've been playing with the CLI enough to actually do stuff with it
[06:08] <AbortD> because you are kiaas_
[06:08] <NoCode> Upgrading is quite crap. I remember about 2-3 years ago upgrading and it all went to crap.
[06:08] <AbortD> me too NoCode
[06:09] <hifi> thats why I asked :p
[06:09] <NoCode> It is why I don't do it anymore.
[06:09] <Laibcoms> Canonical, quote kiaas_ there! :D
[06:09] <AbortD> hifi, thats why you got a answer
[06:10] <hifi> it's only my work machine, nothing important...
[06:10] <NoCode> Hopefully this LTS is awesome
[06:10] <NoCode> They usually are
[06:10] <kiaas_> I think I need to refill my pills. I have to take 5 pills with every meal. I have 6 pills.
[06:10] <hifi> I do have all my data on a network drive, but fixing up a broken upgrade is a pain
[06:11] <NoCode> kiaas_: What for?
[06:11] <nishanth> does someone know how to install the 64bit flashplayer
[06:11] <NoCode> Or should I ask?
[06:11] <kiaas_> NoCode, digestive enzymes. if I eat without them, it has about the same nutritional value as paper
[06:12] <NoCode> hmm. lactose intolerant?
[06:12] <kiaas_> No
[06:12] <kiaas_> I just don't produce the enzymes to break down fats and proteins and starches
[06:13] <NoCode> How did you find this out?
[06:13] <kiaas_> because I have Cystic Fibrosis and was diagnosed at 3 days old
[06:13] <NoCode> Oh okay.
[06:13] <maco> for the record: lactose intolerance pills do NOT work well
[06:13] <NoCode> Wrong place to ask I guess. But, I do have digestive problems too most of the time.
[06:14] <NoCode> I should really get tested. Not sure if I want to though. That sort of stuff freaks me out. :)
[06:14] <hifi> kiaas_: so you can't ever have any issues with weight?
[06:14] <Laibcoms> maco, I agree
[06:14] <kiaas_> I could, if I took the pills and ate fat 24/7
[06:14] <maco> hifi: probably *under*weight could be...
[06:14] <kiaas_> But it's -very- hard for me to gain weight
[06:15] <kiaas_> the most I have ever weighed is 120lbs, and I'm 5'9
[06:15] <hifi> I'd go with very hard to gain weight and eat crap all day
[06:15] <Laibcoms> You're from asia kiaas_ ?
[06:15] <kiaas_> lol, no.
[06:15] <kiaas_> I'm a white guy from florida
[06:15] <maco> Laibcoms: id be a bit surprised at 5'9" if he was...
[06:16] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, these directions "might" work http://www.ubuntugeek.com/adobe-flash-player-10-for-64-bit-linux-released-and-ubuntu-installation-instructions.html
[06:16] <Laibcoms> ahh. hehe, we asians are usually hit by digestion related problems :(
[06:16] <maco> kiaas_: 120 was most ever? so what's now?
[06:16] <kiaas_> maco, as I just had jaw surgery... I'm currently 111lbs
[06:16] <Laibcoms> maco, hehe :D  I keep forgetting I'm half-blood lolz.
[06:17] <ZykoticK9> GUYS did this suddenly because the ubuntu-health channel?
[06:17] <maco> Laibcoms: if you mean lactose intolerance since you just agreed with me on those pills sucking... just about everyone outside of western europe is :P  my family's eastern and southern european, so i'm lactose intolerant
[06:17] <maco> heh lets go make #digestionsucks
[06:18] <maco> Laibcoms: my brain went half blood -> harry potter
[06:20] <maco> Laibcoms: *poke*
[06:20] <maco> kiaas_: *poke*
[06:20] <kiaas_> o.o
[06:20] <maco> kiaas_: NoCode and I are in #digestionsucks
[06:23] <zzz_> Some days ago I performed a partial upgrade, and learned here that they should be avoided. In addition I read the link explaining why, and since then have searched trying find how to recover from my error, leaving the system running in hopes of receiving a notice that an update was available that would repair my error. None has been received, and I am totally at a loss as to how I should...
[06:23] <zzz_> ...proceed. Would anyone care to explain how? Thanks
[06:24] <ddecator_> go for the full upgrade?
[06:25] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, if only that was an option
[06:25] <ddecator_> it's not? i've never done a partial upgrade haha, i figured you could just upgrade everything else
[06:26] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, the partial upgrade comes up every once in a while - i don't fully understand it actually, but know it's explained in the FAQ
[06:27] <ddecator_> i'd look it up if i wasn't pulling my hair out trying to fix this bug
[06:27] <zzz_> ddecator: I'm not sure what you mean. I upgraded to 10.04 Beta which  fixed my video problem, and then checked for and applied updates as they were found available until the last one which claimed only a partial upgrade could be made, without warning that such is not recommended.
[06:28] <ddecator_> zzz_: sorry, don't listen to me, i guess i don't know what i'm talking about =p
[06:28] <ZykoticK9> zzz_, i "believe" if you wait a day or so - and reupdate apt (sudo apt-get update) the partial will disappear
[06:30] <zzz_> ZykoticK9: It's been about a week or so now, would it be safe to do the (sudo apt-get update) without causing further complications?
[06:31] <ZykoticK9> zzz_, i'm not sure - i can say that i have done several "partial upgrades" over the course of Lucid (i personally haven't run into problems)
[06:33] <arand> At some points when a package becomes deprecated in favour of another, full-upgrades are OK, in most other cases, waiting is the proper way.
[06:34] <bullgard> zzz_: I would encourage you to dist-upgrade now. I have done it myself in similar circumstances.
[06:35] <zzz_> ZykoticK9: Actually it's been 9 days now, and since then I have lost access to my NAS drives, which was a problem that existed after upgrading to the 10.04 Beta, but later disappeared only to recur after the partial upgrade.
[06:35] <arand> zzz_: What exactly did the partial upgrade you did, do?
[06:35] <ZykoticK9> zzz_, see arand & bullgard's answers!
[06:37] <wolter> is somebody willing to look at my bootchart and see what is taking so long for my session to startup that didn't happen before? 8D ?
[06:39] <zzz_> bullgard: Can that be done from a GUI or must it be done from a terminal screen?
[06:40] <toogreen> Hey there, I messed up my boot up screen, i think its because gdm... Does Lucid actually need/use GDM at all?
[06:41] <wolter> As in gnome desktop manager?
[06:41] <toogreen> What happened is after an update, my system booted up as "lubuntu" (notice the L), go figure why!! So I tried to remove usplash, and at some point it installed gdm i think
[06:41] <toogreen> wolter: yeah, does it need to be there or not?
[06:41] <arand> toogreen: Bug #550237
[06:42] <wolter> toogreen, well, if you use gnome as interface, then its vital
[06:42] <wolter> if you installed ubuntu to your system, you use the gnome desktop, therefore you do need gdm
[06:42] <arand> toogreen: lubuntu bug was similar, instructions on bug description
[06:42] <toogreen> wolter: ok thanks, i thought perhaps it was replaced by another one like xdm or something
[06:42] <wolter> oh
[06:42] <cozziemoto> hey guys..how to change default plymouth theme?
[06:43] <toogreen> bcuz I fixed it now, except that when ubuntu boots it shows me the old brown theme of Karmic
[06:43] <toogreen> instead of the new lucid theme
[06:43] <toogreen> when i shutdown or restart tho it is the new theme
[06:43] <Blue11> cozziemoto: system/preferences/appearance/theme
[06:43] <toogreen> any ideas?
[06:44] <ZykoticK9> cozziemoto, at this very moment i don't think you can due to missing plymouth-set-default-theme command
[06:44] <cozziemoto> ZykoticK9,  oh ok
[06:45] <cozziemoto> ZykoticK9,  so that's why if I   plymouth-set-default-theme --list  i get plymouth is not installed?
[06:45] <ZykoticK9> cozziemoto, yup
[06:45] <FireCrotch> Theoretically, what would happen if someone's computer were to say, lose power during an upgrade?
[06:45] <cozziemoto> ZykoticK9,  ok cool..no biggie I can wait:)
[06:45] <FireCrotch> Or if they closed the terminal window that they're doing the upgrade in?
[06:46] <FireCrotch> This would be while packages are being unpacked
[06:47] <ZykoticK9> cozziemoto, it's funny - Plymouth starts working with my nvidia blob, and at the same time i lose the ability to change the theme...
[06:49] <Laibcoms> FireCrotch, happened to me before. Most of the time, the lock-file is still intact so I have to delete it.
[06:50] <Laibcoms> FireCrotch, then just continue downloading or updating normally.
[06:50] <zzz_> bullgard: I found "dist-upgrade" mentioned in the "apt-get" man page, but reading there appears to be many options which sound like they might be necessary, but being uncertain I'm afraid of worsening the problem, by choosing a wrong one.
[06:50] <FireCrotch> Laibcoms: thanks :)
[06:55] <kiaas_> Hmm
[06:56] <kiaas_> the panel encountered a problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_NotificationAreaApplet (not copy pasted so I may have done that wrong.)
[06:56] <kiaas_> Do you want to delete the applet
[06:56] <kiaas_> And I'm also paraphrasing.
[06:56] <wolter> how long are your sessions taking before nautilus is fully loaded?
[06:57] <wolter> Just polling around...
[06:57] <kiaas_> I didn't pay any attention. I kinda started the VM and forgot about it
[06:57] <ZykoticK9> wolter, are you getting a delay between gdm login and the desktop?
[06:57] <wolter> Well, I need to enter my password so yes I guess
[06:58] <wolter> the thing is in lucid alpha 2 it took like 3 seconds
[06:58] <wolter> now it takes like 10
[06:58] <wolter> and my startup applications really looks very similar
[06:58] <ZykoticK9> wolter, ya i'm getting the same sort thing here too
[06:58] <ddecator_> same here
[06:58] <wolter> Is everybody else getting the same sort of thing?
[06:58] <wolter> oh
[06:59] <wolter> Has anybody took the time to analyze their bootchart and see what may have being adding up to the login time?
[06:59] <ddecator_> nope...
[07:00] <WoAnerges> hi everyone
[07:00] <brianherman> hi woangeres
[07:01] <WoAnerges> who wantś to test win7 protection? try my comp! i want to check my protection on win7 i will give u ip in private
[07:01] <WoAnerges> i just installed new firewall
[07:02] <WoAnerges> i have physical ip
[07:02] <WoAnerges> sorry for offtop
[07:02] <brianherman> oh
[07:02] <brianherman> hmmm
[07:03] <brianherman> ?
[07:03] <Damascene> hello, any one with Arabic ,Urdu or Persia?
[07:03] <WoAnerges> damascene, try translate.google.com - it helped me on first stages of learning english very much
[07:04] <WoAnerges> brian would you?
[07:04] <brianherman> idk maybe
[07:04] <Damascene> I just want to test something with Arabic characters
[07:04] <brianherman> what do i get if i win
[07:04] <WoAnerges> idk?
[07:04] <WoAnerges> i just asking for help
[07:05] <WoAnerges> and you may get some new experience
[07:05] <WoAnerges> sorry guys i have no money
[07:06] <WoAnerges> lol you can download my xxx collection if you get there :D
[07:06] <ZykoticK9> WoAnerges, if you want to test Windows 7 - why not ask in the ##windows channel - this is Ubuntu Lucid support here
[07:06] <WoAnerges> because i´m ubuntu fan
[07:07] <WoAnerges> windows suxx, but i using it to play mass effect2 (=
[07:07] <brianherman> use wine
[07:07] <WoAnerges> wine will not make it
[07:08] <WoAnerges> ohh, and wine not supports PKR
[07:10] <almoxarife> I can't get lucid to accept guest additions while running in virtualbox, using the beta desktop 32 iso
[07:14] <zzz_> Anyone?: I found "dist-upgrade" mentioned in the "apt-get" man page, but reading there appears to be many options which sound like they might be necessary, but being uncertain I'm afraid of worsening the problem, by choosing a wrong one. And any assurance that this would be the correct way to repair the problem caused by allowing a partial upgrade would be welcome.
[07:15] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, what host are you using?
[07:15] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: lucid
[07:16] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, lucid as host & guest?  are you using to OSE version?
[07:16] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: ose?
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, VBox OSE version (from the Ubuntu repostiory) or the PUEL version from Oracle?
[07:17] <almoxarife> ose
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, and in your guest are you using "sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11"
[07:18] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: did not
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, should sort it out :)
[07:18] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: cool
[07:19] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: give it a try
[07:24] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: that did it, thnks
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, glad to help
[07:24] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: the virtual already looks much more different that what I got from the upgrade
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, sorry (don't get what you mean)
[07:26] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: I upgrade the host to lucid, I have beta lucid in virtual, there is a difference in looks and menus
[07:26] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, there shouldn't be?  that's weird.
[07:27] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, i'm personally not a fan of "upgrades", i always go the fresh install route (but understand most people do NOT want to do that)
[07:28] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: I didn't want to go thru the pain of re-installing
[07:28] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, ya i hear that
[07:28] <msanchez> Hi, does anyone experienced problems with plymouth after updating packages this weekend?
[07:29] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, can you be more specific?
[07:29] <msanchez> I get a black screen after rebooting so the computer wont boot, and I can see plymouth packages are getting upgraded
[07:29] <msanchez> yeah, sure :-)
[07:30] <msanchez> I just apt-get update && upgrade this weekend and, when rebooting, I got a black screen right when the plymouth screen should show up
[07:30] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, personally graphical plymouth just started working for me!  so i'm having the reverse effect then you.
[07:30] <msanchez> and the booting process gets stuck
[07:30] <msanchez> :-)
[07:31] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, sorry i have no idea -- i was wondering if your plymouth issue was about the missing plymouth-set-default-theme -- but you have a very different issue
[07:31] <msanchez> I considered removing plymouth but apt-get says it will remove cryptsetup as well, and that's not an option for me
[07:31] <msanchez> I'm looking through launchpad and other bugzillas but I could not find anything yet
[07:32] <msanchez> no problem, thx for reading anyway
[07:32] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, best of luck man
[07:32] <msanchez> the thing is that I'm pretty sure something is wrong with this upgrade, since I restored a backup from friday, and everything worked... then upgraded and everything screwed up again
[07:32] <msanchez> thx
[07:33] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, if that's the case - it would be great if you could somehow file a bug, but VERY difficult if your system isn't starting
[07:34] <msanchez> hey! my system is starting ;-) but with a backup from friday
[07:41] <msanchez> ZykoticK9: I have a wild guessing about what could be going on here... just in case you were interested
[07:42] <msanchez> when upgrading with apt-get I just get packages upgraded but no new packages installed
[07:42] <msanchez> if I do aptitude upgraded I get that plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text are going to get installed. Same thing if I use the graphical tool for updating software
[07:42] <msanchez> perhaps my problem was a matter of upgrading already installed plymouth packages without installing these new ones
[07:44] <msanchez> I'll risk my computer one more time and tell you later :-)
[07:44] <Ichat> could anyone plz help me with installing a headless torrent (client)  on   10.04 server   ebox.1.5
[07:52] <FireCrotch> Ichat: I've used torrentflux for a while, it has a web interface.  I like it. sudo apt-get install torrentflux
[07:54] <msanchez> ZykoticK9: I'm back here, so that means my guessing worked
[07:54] <msanchez> so, better use aptitude upgrade or the graphical tool, not apt-get upgrade, just in case
[07:54] <ZykoticK9> msanchez, well i'm glad its working then
[07:55] <msanchez> me too. No need to file a bug then
[07:57] <FireCrotch> Just upgraded to Lucid on Kubuntu - isn't there supposed to be some sort of fancy screen or something during boot? I just get a black screen with a single _ cursor at the top until kdm starts
[08:03] <msanchez> FireCrotch: that sounds like if plymouth were not working for you
[08:04] <FireCrotch> msanchez: how would I go about debugging and figuring out what's wrong with Plymouth?
[08:05] <FireCrotch> I'm not all that familiar with all this newfangled stuff like plymouth and upstart or whatever its called
[08:10] <Torrentow_> hello
[08:10] <ddecator_> anyone here use chroot?
[08:10] <Torrentow_> ya
[08:11] <Torrentow_> What's your problem?
[08:11] <ddecator_> i can't get chroot to access my /home folder. i modified fstab, but in the folder are two files, one of which is a README saying the /home folder us unmounted to protect my data...
[08:11] <almoxarife> how do I move the buttons to the right side of the windows?
[08:12] <msanchez> FireCrotch: I'm in your same situation, sorry. I was so used to the old splash thing that I have no idea about how to debug this thing
[08:12] <Torrentow_> Do you have encypted /home?
[08:13] <ddecator_> yes
[08:13] <FireCrotch> msanchez: I don't see anything related to plymouth in any log files even
[08:13] <ddecator_> Torrentow_: there is a .desktop file for accessing the info. am i supposed to execute that, or do i have to do something special since it's encrypted?
[08:14] <guntbert> ddecator_: please read http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7568/1.html   -- contains all you need
[08:14] <msanchez> then maybe I'm wrong
[08:15] <bullgard> zzz_: (Sorry, I was shopping and thus absent.) Please do '~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', This will you do no harm.
[08:17] <bullgard> FireCrotch: I noticed the same but I am happy with it. You should adjust you Grub2 configuration file to allow for a splash screen.
[08:17] <bullgard> s/you/your/
[08:18] <FireCrotch> bullgard: you mean it's actually grub2 that's causing plymouth to not show the splash screen?
[08:19] <bullgard> Not exactly. Generally Grub2 is responsible for showing a splash screen. But there is a Ubuntu bug for plymouth reported in Launchpad.
[08:20] <Blackgibson> Hello. i have a broken GDM on 10.04 beta 1 with all available updates. It seems the custom.conf file is missing. Ubuntuforums suggested running gdmsetup, setting to autologin, then restarting gdmsetup and disabling autologin to fix it. Problem is, I can't unlock gdmsetup. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated
[08:21] <FireCrotch> bullgard: thanks
[08:24] <Blackgibson> Doh! How GDM is broken is that i cannot login. When I click on a user to bring up the password entry box, it animates, but never brings up the entry box
[08:26] <ddecator_> i still have no idea what i'm doing...
[08:26] <ddecator_> Torrentow_: that article guntberl pointed me to just has a comment that doesn't make much sense to me. do you know how to mount an encrypted /home folder in chroot?
[08:32] <almoxarife> how do I move the buttons to the right side of the windows?
[08:33] <Blackgibson> almoxarife; by changing a setting using gconf-editor
[08:33] <Blackgibson> I googled it and found the fix
[08:33] <ZykoticK9> !controls | almoxarife
[08:44] <BUGabundo_remote> bonds dias
[08:47] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: you wouldn't happen to know how to mount an encrypted /home directory for chroot to access, would you? =)
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> if it was encfs, I would ddecator
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> but for encryptfs I don't :\
[08:52] <rye> anybody noticed weird evolution behavior lately? I.e. the mouse cursor does not seem to be updated and link click do not work properly?
[08:52] <ddecator_> dang it, if i use the executable .desktop file provided when it get auto-unmounted, it tries to give chroot the key, but it says "fopen: no such file or directory" so idk how to fix that either...thanks anyway BUGabundo_remote
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> ddecator ohhh that's easy
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> you forgot to bind mount /dev and /dev/ptts
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> and prob a few other mounts required for chroot to work properly
[08:54] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: didn't know i had to, the wiki didn't mention it
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> its one of my petpeeves on recovery system
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> one of this days, ill spend a night coding it , and getting it MIRed
[08:54] <ddecator_> i'm just trying to get it so i can build a 32-bit package on my 64-bit system =\
[08:55] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: so what chroot dirs do i need to bind to which host dirs?
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> ah, so you aren't on a recovery system?
[08:55] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: nope
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> DOH
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> wouldn't you be better with qemu and a live iso?
[08:56] <Ian_Corne>  /sys is also to tbe bound
[08:56] <Ian_Corne> and  /proc
[08:56] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: i haven't figured out how to configure my bios so i can virtualize a 64-bit environment, and right now i'm on a 64-bit system so the package i have built is in 64-bit, so i want to build it in 32-bit so i can try it in a vm =p
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> righto Ian_Corne
[08:57] <almoxarife> I can't get a network connection wins/samba on a new install within virtualbox, is the default to be hidden?
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> and a good morning for you too :p
[08:57] <Ian_Corne> hello :)
[08:57] <Ian_Corne> I'm using docky now, checking out how it feels as bottom bar
[08:57] <Ian_Corne> can only do it on my good pc tho, as it requires compiz to look descent
[08:57] <ddecator_> docky = amazing
[08:57] <lesliev> hi!
[08:57] <almoxarife> the host can see the guest, the guest does not see the host
[08:58] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: so do you know what i need to do? i'm at a loss...
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: I love to use DO as glass
[08:58] <Ian_Corne> as long as they don't change alt tab's behaviour to mac style, i'm happy
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> ddecator not really.
[08:58] <Ian_Corne> gonna have some breakfast now, ttyl
[08:58] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: alright, thanks anyway. i'll find a workaround for tonight, it's getting late...
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: I've file a bug a few weeks ago, cause compiz super+tab, has the wrong order.
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> I spend the triple time, trying to get it right
[08:59] <lesliev> I have a bug where Lucid hangs with a black screen a few minutes after logging in - should I bother with a bug report?
[09:00] <lesliev> there doesn't seem to be anything useful in syslog
[09:02] <BUGabundo_remote> lesliev: beta1 is to old. please try a daily
[09:03] <lesliev> BUGabundo_remote: I have updated, is that the same as a daily?
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> should be lesliev
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I though you said you failed at boot
[09:06] <lesliev> read again: a few minutes after logging in
[09:08] <lesliev> I regularly discover kernel bugs at beta stage when its too late :)
[09:09] <BUGabundo_remote> lesliev: yeah, previous beta milestone was to late to change anything
[09:09] <BUGabundo_remote> these one is much much earlier. previous alpha4 earlier
[09:09] <BUGabundo_remote> so please file bugs
[09:15] <lukehasnoname> Where can I get the latest daily builds? cdimage.ubuntu.com doesn't have images for Ubuntu Server daily....
[09:15] <lesliev> ok, will do some more experiments and just add standard apport-collect info
[09:16] <lesliev> thanks
[09:38] <thansen> how can I manually add a pci id or whatever to make my ati card supported?
[09:44] <thansen> I've got an ati firepro m7740 and I want to add it to the supported list to try it out
[10:24] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone knows how to get the new themes to display the window title in the CENTER and not LEFT?
[10:28] <NoCode> How do I add text beside my icons in nautilus in the toolbars?
[10:32] <almoxarife> NoCode: you looked at preferences
[10:34] <NoCode> I don't think it's there
[10:34] <NoCode> I looked in gconf-editor too
[10:34] <almoxarife> NoCode: it is there
[10:35] <almoxarife> NoCode: views> icon-text
[10:37] <NoCode> nope
[10:39] <NoCode> I mean in the toolbars. Instead of seeing the "home folder" I want to see the folder, and "home" beside it.
[10:39] <almoxarife> NoCode: got you
[10:40] <NoCode> I think there was a setting in gconf-editor, now there isn't or I'm just too blind to see it. :D
[10:41] <almoxarife> NoCode: I have seen it, don't remember where now
[11:22] <BUGabundo_remote> someone mind pointing the ranting users of Bug 546650 to the proper one, from cycle 9.04? I don't have it on hand :\
[11:23] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, it worked in karmic
[11:24] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: AFAIR it was back in 9.04 when notifyosd was introduced, that we stop interaction with bubles
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> there was a rant bug back then  too
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> an no, karmic didn't have bubbles interaction either, it just faded, which that bug is all about
[11:27] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, no, worked in karmic
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: you could click and interact with notify-osd bubbles in 9.10??????
[11:30]  * BUGabundo_remote has been running alpha cycles for too long to remember which features go into each release
[11:40] <ChrisWoollard> Hello.
[11:40] <ChrisWoollard> I have an issue with 10.04
[11:40] <mich_lucid> hello guys! Is there a way to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 via LiveCD? (not alternate)
[11:41] <Bittarman> mich_lucid, set the liveCD up as an apt source, and do a dist-upgrade from there
[11:42] <mich_lucid> so it's possible! great, thanks! :-) I thought it's possible only from alternate :-)
[11:42] <ChrisWoollard> It appears that today I cannot connect to any windows shares.
[11:43] <ChrisWoollard> However if i try it in 9.x it is fine
[11:44] <ChrisWoollard> the error message is "Cannot display location "smb://domain;username:dnsname/c$/"
[11:46] <ChrisWoollard> that second : should be a @
[11:46] <bbordwell> ChrisWoollard, Do your windows shares happen to be on windows 7?
[11:47] <ChrisWoollard> no. They are on an active directory domain
[11:55] <Michalxo> so, how to upgrade to 10.04 <- 9.10 via liveCD?
[11:55] <Michalxo> I see that apt has extra line saying CDrom is another source, but it's not an upgrade :-/
[11:56] <Michalxo> something like...   update-manager -d --cdrom ?
[11:57] <DJones> Michalxo: As far as I'm aware, you can't use a livecd as an upgrade source, only the alternate cd's
[11:58] <Michalxo> oh :-(
[11:59] <Michalxo> so downloading whole via internet again.. nevermind... though.. I am still tester :-D
[11:59] <Mike1_> *lol* I read “so downloading the whole internet again” :D
[12:00] <Mike1_> And it can only work with the alternate if you installed nothing else
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> On Kubuntu - what is this 'open desktop - people near me' thing all about?  and beter yet.. why do i care if theres someone in CHichago 200 miles away.. :)
[12:02] <Mike1_> Dr_Willis: damn Ubuntu and social stuff …
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> I can see businesses not really liking the defaults
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> somhthing to do with  opendesktop.org - but i dont see much point in that site either.. Looks like a dumping ground for themes/art/other stuff that proberly is a pain to install. :)
[12:06] <ChrisWoollard> Does anybody have any idea?
[12:08] <Michalxo_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd4MKflsPtg  -- social stuff... hehe :-)
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> I belive the installer inj Kubuntu just asked me to unmount partitions that are in use.. and it unmounted the flash drive it was installing from.... :()
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> Ok- it dident.. but it did try it seems. :)
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Anyone else notice that the customize partions tool - rescans EVERY time you do somthing trivial. Like set a mountpoint for a ntfs partion, or other things.. it takes me longer to tellit where to mount my 6 partions then to install it seems
[12:21] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, it would be quicker to just edit your fstab don't you think?
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> bbordwell:  thats what i normally do. but i wanted to see how it defaulted with the ntfs partitions
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> its just silly the installer rescans every time you do so much as change the spelling of a mountpoint.
[12:23] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, you are talking about gparted correct?
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> If you could do all partions/mountpoints/formatYN/ on one thing
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> bbordwell:  no.. the Installers Disk management front end
[12:25] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, I was not aware you could configure automatic mounts from the installer. good to know
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> bbordwell:  yep It  has a mountpoint entry right there. I alwasy enter my windows drives and stuff.
[12:26] <bbordwell> yes i have 3 hdds so i will have to take a look next time i do a fresh install
[12:26] <Dr_Willis> windows drive, /, home, any other partitons.. takes me 10x longer then it should to setup
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> click a partition... set its mountpoint.. an filesystem, (you have to select ntfs on a ntfs filesystem even)  THen ok... THEN wait for it to rescan ALL the filesystems
[12:28] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, how long does it take to scan? gparted only takes 10sec on my computer
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> it takes MUCH longer then gparted.. as i said. its not gparted. :)
[12:28] <ionte> Hi. Since the last kernel upgrade (2.6.xx-17) my machine halts while checking the file system (left it running for several hours). With 2.6.xx-16 there is no problem. Ideas?
[12:28] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, yes i know but it is doing the same function so it SHOULD be comparable
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> proberly 20-30 sec.. MUCH longer then that on my machine that has 6 HD's  the
[12:29] <bbordwell> ionte, -18 is out now give it a try
[12:29] <ionte> bbordwell: ok, thanks
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> moar updates :)
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> took over 60sec on my 6hd machine.
[12:30] <bbordwell> 6 hdds, just an assortment of old hdds or what?
[12:31] <ionte> bbordwell: hm. i don't get -18 while doing an update ...
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> bbordwell:  basically.
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> got a full sized tower case. and lots of sata ports :) may as well use them
[12:31] <bbordwell> ionte, i just go the update a couple of hours ago it may take a while to get to all servers
[12:32] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, my mobo only has 4 sata connections...
[12:32] <bbordwell> 3hdds plus dvd-rw and im full
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Ive basitally been removing optical drives on machines i got that dont need them :)
[12:34] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, I have a bigger case coming today :)
[12:34] <bbordwell> my hdd's in this small one are all almost touching eachother and they get WARM
[12:41] <s-twig> Hi, I get a black screen when I reboot after UNR 10.4b1 install
[12:42] <s-twig> install goes well
[12:42] <s-twig> it's an HP mini 110
[12:44] <legend2440> is it true that Gimp will not be included in  Lucid Lynx? is there a comparable editor available?
[12:45] <rsk> legend2440 not by default
[12:45] <rsk> legend2440 can still install it
[12:45] <legend2440> rsk: oh ok. thanks
[12:46] <JoshuaL> does anyone know the status of the cant click behind notification bubbles bug?
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  theres to many web sites making too big a deal about gimp
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> legend2440:  ive had to correct several that  its included IN THE REPOS.. just not installed by default
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> Ive also heard the next version of gimp maybe due out about xmas :) Yea.
[12:49] <legend2440> Dr_Willis: ok. thanks
[12:56] <ranjan> hi all...the gwibber is not working for me...its not showing any tweets
[12:57] <ranjan> but the tweets posted are shown on the web
[13:30] <rocky> anyone know if it's possible to change the notification applet icon to bright red or something when a msg comes in instead of just alternating colours? it's hard to notice in it's current state
[13:32] <rocky> i assume indicator applet and indicator applet session applets are both in heavy flux atm
[13:42] <mikeconcepts> remix could not connect with plymouth, any solution?
[13:42] <Mike1> mikeconcepts: same error here, but what does it matter? ;-)
[13:43] <zzz_> bullgard: Just got back myself, and saw your message. Now running the 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', 293 updates, 8 new installs, 340 MB, so it may take a while. Thanks
[13:43] <Mike1> mikeconcepts: oh, maybe because I haven’t even installed plymouth
[13:43] <mikeconcepts> Mike1, yeah, agree, it is only a splash I think
[13:43] <Mike1> indeed
[13:44] <patdk-wk> hmm, updated, rebooted, and now my system locked for the first time :(
[13:44] <patdk-wk> attempting to change my wallpaper :(
[13:44] <mikeconcepts> Mike1, I didn't know plymouth must be installed, not sure that is true
[13:46] <patdk-wk> hmm, locked up a second time :(
[13:46] <darkfile1> hi all
[13:46] <yofel> mikeconcepts: it doesn't have to be installed, but some applications will complain if it's not (non-fatal)
[13:46] <darkfile1> is there a bug with the auto update popup?
[13:46] <darkfile1> i did not get a popup that there are new updates yet
[13:46] <darkfile1> but when i apt-get update & upgrade, there are 200MB of new updates
[13:47] <yofel> I think the popup waits quite a while before coming up, if you want to do daily updates, check for them yourself
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> i always check myself.
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> Tempted to put the  apt-get update/upgrade in  the rc.local script. :)
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> but that may goof things up badly
[13:49] <mikeconcepts> yofel, plymouth is indeed installed by default, and it appears this has already been bugged
[13:49] <yofel> yes
[13:55] <zzz_> Dr_Willis: Just reading along, are you saying to manually check for updates periodically, but just don't apply them if they say only a partial can be applied, but go ahead otherwise? I don't want to get in trouble again, but would like to stay up to date when possible to see if problems are lessening, or new ones appear.
[13:57] <yofel> zzz_: if you just want to be notified about new stuff you can follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lucid-changes
[13:57] <yofel> that are *all* uploads for lucid though
[13:59] <darkfile1> yofel are there special occurences when it will pop up?
[13:59] <darkfile1> after reboot or so?
[13:59] <darkfile1> its configured to daily in the moment
[14:01] <darkfile1> i mean, i even maually did a apt-get update, so there quite a lot of updates waiting now
[14:01] <darkfile1> but it still does not appear
[14:01] <darkfile1> very strange
[14:03] <zzz_> yofel: This is my first experience with a Beta, and only because 9.10 corrupted my video making the system unusable, the Beta fixes that problem, but now have a problem with NAS drives and firefox, and they are also necessary so I would like to see that they are fixed at some point.
[14:03] <bbordwell> zzz_, what is your problem with firefox?
[14:06] <zzz_> bbordwell: When trying to use one of the search engines, typing several characters even at random often crashes firefox and takes me to the ubuntu login screen. I've encountered the same result with various search engines, google, Yahoo, IMDB, Wikipedia.
[14:08] <bbordwell> zzz_, strange, I think the problem does not lay with firefox though. Firefox crashing should not be able to take you to the login screen
[14:09] <patdk-wk> unless the whole system is crashing and reboots
[14:11] <vistakiller> in ubuntu the battery icon is wrong..
[14:11] <vistakiller> is not to the right side
[14:12] <vistakiller> when is empty it appear to the righ sid and not to the left as is correct
[14:12] <vistakiller> anyone else has notice this?
[14:13] <zzz_> bbordwell: I reported it https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/543399 and received a response that it may be related to something called Plymouth, but I have no idea what that is.
[14:17] <Lajosward> After last night i got the deformation option to show up but now under options i cant go higher then 2 horizontal virtual size , after setting higher it just bounces back down
[14:17] <danyR> hi there. anyone confirms, is usb-creator broken in Lucid?
[14:19] <bbordwell> zzz_, just do "sudo apt-get remove plymouth" reeboot and try it out
[14:19] <bbordwell> You will not have the pretty boot anymore though
[14:23] <zzz_> bbordwell: I'm waiting on the 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to finish now, but will try that when it does. Does Plymouth have something to do with the purple screen initially displayed?
[14:24] <bbordwell> zzz_, yep
[14:24] <bbordwell> that is basicly all it is
[14:24] <danyR> zzz_: plymouth *is* that purple screen :P
[14:24] <patdk-wk> yuk
[14:25] <bbordwell> I changed my theme to solar, much better
[14:25] <bbordwell> though on the last update it changed it back and i have not gotten around to changing it back again
[14:25] <danyR> bbordwell: and doesn't it feel "out of place"?
[14:26] <zzz_> bbordwell: I'll try removing it and let you know the results ASAP.
[14:26] <bbordwell> danyR, well i changed my background image to a something blue so it fits
[14:27] <danyR> I think this'll be the first release where i'll keep default look for more than 3 seconds
[14:28] <Aidar-Nagato> hello
[14:28] <Aidar-Nagato> how to enable shmconfig in ubuntu 10.04? i couldn't find xorg.conf there
[14:35] <bbordwell> Has anyone noticed high hdd temps reported in lucid? I have seen a few bug reports about it and mine seem to be running pretty hot. I do not dual boot so i can not verify though
[14:38] <patdk-wk> can't test here, using network boot, no local drives
[14:38] <zzz_> bbordwell: The dist-upgrade has completed, but did not provide me NAS access that was previously working, and I once again see 100% CPU usage when I try to access the NAS drive, and eventually have to cancel, and kill gvfsd-smb-browse or wait until an error message occurs and it releases the CPU. I opened the package manager to remove 'plymouth' but am uncertain if I should mark it for...
[14:38] <zzz_> ...'removal' or 'complete removal', any suggestion?
[14:39] <bbordwell> eh, o well I have a new case coming via ups today with a fan in the front to blow air over the hdd's I will se what that does
[14:39] <bbordwell> zzz_, just removal should do
[14:40] <bjsnider> CMI8788 -- does it work in lucid?
[14:42] <patdk-wk> removal kills like 99% of it
[14:43] <patdk-wk> complete removal also removes any custom config file edits and stuff you do
[14:43] <smoser> Hi, I recently upgraded from Lucid, and pulled my old HOME over manually.  it seems that nautilus thinks that /home/smoser is my Desktop (previously this was /home/smoser/Desktop).  This is the case both in background and if i copy a file to "Desktop"
[14:43] <smoser> any ideas where that is stored such that i can change it
[14:46] <rye> smoser, xdg dirs...
[14:46] <rye> smoser, cat ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[14:46] <smoser> yeah, they're all $HOME
[14:47] <rye> smoser, the question is now "why?"
[14:47] <smoser> i think probably because i logged in for the first time before there was a Desktop directory
[14:48] <smoser> although i'm not sure why that would have aoccurred, as i created the user in the install
[14:48] <zzz_> bbordwell: Did so, closed everything, logged out, did a shut down, and rebooted. The system restarted without having to log on, is that normal? Opened firefox, which has no extensions presently, typed 3 letters using IMDB search engine, firefox crashed, giving me a black screen, and shortly a purple screen with my name appeared requesting my password as before.
[14:48] <rye> smoser, ah, you might have overwritten .config as well, was that in the old $HOME?
[14:48] <smoser> yeah, i amost certainly did overwrite it as i basically copied .*
[14:48] <YaManicKill> my apt just stopped working with an update. it seems to be looking for ipv6 addresses. is this the ipv6 bug back again? thought that was fixed
[14:48] <smoser> but would have thought that the old one would have had this too
[14:49] <smoser> rye, thanks for the pointer though
[14:50] <billybigrigger> is native iphone/ipod touch enabled in lucid yet?
[14:50] <bbordwell> zzz_, Well since removing plymouth did not solve it i would now reinstall it, and comment your bug report that removing plymouth did not help
[14:51] <bbordwell> billybigrigger, I do not think so
[14:51] <zzz_> bbordwell: After logging in I changed to the google search engine, and was able to type 7 characters before encountering the same problem. Removing plymouth did not remove the purple screen, was it supposed to?
[14:51] <bbordwell> zzz_, yes it was
[14:53] <Emry> joined :)
[14:54] <zzz_> bbordwell: I just brought up synaptic, and plymouth is not installed, but the purple screen appears each time a login screen appears. I'll reinstall it unless you think I should do something else first.
[14:55] <Aidar-Nagato> how to enable SHMConfig on 10.04?
[14:56] <bbordwell> zzz_, plymouth is the purple screen at boot where the dots move
[14:57] <bbordwell> the purple screen where you click your user name to log in is gdm
[14:57] <bbordwell> removing plymouth should have gotten rid of the screen where the dots move
[14:58] <Michalxo> my plymouth is very ugly... (resolution) where can be a problem? everything else seems to work fine after upgrade from 9.10
[14:58] <tgpraveen12> info gcalctool
[14:58] <tgpraveen12> !info gcalctool
[14:59] <bbordwell> Michalxo, there are other themes you can install for plymouth. I recommend solar
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> i just disable plymouth :)
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> but im hard cor3
[15:00] <zzz_> bbordwell: I have NO visual affects, so might that be why I see what I do? A very old IBM Thinkpad R40 with ATI Mobility M6 LY video. I'll reinstall plymouth now.
[15:00] <Michalxo> bbigras is there wiki page for plymouth? I have no knowledge about it
[15:01] <Michalxo> bbordwell
[15:01] <bbordwell> Michalxo, they just changed the way you change the theme 2 or 3 days ago so there will likely be no documentation yet
[15:02] <bbordwell> I will try and do it and let you know if i can
[15:03] <Michalxo> well how can I change plymouth?
[15:03] <Michalxo> i've just successfully upgraded to 10.04 :-)
[15:04] <omac> are there any showstoppers when mounting a usb drive with an ntfs partition?
[15:04] <omac> Does the default ubuntu 10.04 have the ability to mount an ntfs partition?
[15:05] <omac> I understand there are ntfs-3g utils out there, but are they installed by default?
[15:05] <Michalxo> omac yes, no problem with NTFS partitions here
[15:05] <Michalxo> and probably ntfs was solved long time ago :-/
[15:05] <omac> Did you have to install special ntfs-3g stuff.
[15:05] <Michalxo> no
[15:06] <Michalxo> it's already there ;-)
[15:06] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/549542 <- this annoys me
[15:06] <omac> Today, I tried to install an ntfs partition using mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc /mnt/mattntfs
[15:06] <Michalxo> just ntfsprogs are essential when playing with partitions... ;-) omac
[15:06] <omac> It gave a mount error and recommended I do a checkdsk /f on a windows os.
[15:07] <Michalxo> have you suspended it and hard-restarted machine and then went to ubuntu?
[15:08] <Aidar-Nagato> i cant find my touchpad in lshal, what should i do?
[15:08] <Michalxo> hal was removed afaik Aidar-Nagato from 10.04
[15:08] <Michalxo> completely
[15:08] <zzz_> bbordwell: I reinstalled plymouth, set visual effects to Normal, and rebooted. Now I see the screen you were talking about, but I returned visual effects to None. Don't need anything fancy. So firefox remains broken, and NAS access is not working again. I'll update my firefox bug report, but don't know what to do about the NAS problem.
[15:09] <omac> I ejected/unmounted it from a windows xp, unplugged the usb drive and then plugged the usb drive to the laptop with ubuntu10.04 on it.
[15:09] <Michalxo> Aidar-Nagato sorry, I see it there.. lshal touchpad..
[15:10] <Aidar-Nagato> Michalxo, how else can i configure it?
[15:10] <Michalxo> Aidar-Nagato sorry, no idea
[15:11] <omac> Thanks for confirming that it should work.  I'll try it again tomorrow.
[15:11] <Michalxo> omac it should.. I am not sure though...
[15:11] <omac> One other thing...when using the latest skype repos with 10.04, the skype video seems to kill the wifi network.
[15:12] <Michalxo> omac gonna try it :-D
[15:12] <omac> It should.  I previously tried this on another laptop with another hard drive and it mount ntfs.
[15:13] <Aidar-Nagato> had anybody configured SHMConfig?
[15:13] <omac> but it could be ntfs-3g I will mount with mount -t ntfs-3g tomorrow to see if that changes anything.
[15:14] <omikron4> omac I have  skype en lucid and it works perfectly. I've downloaded from its web page
[15:14] <Michalxo> Aidar-Nagato have you tried gsynaptics? :-/ (just a blind shot)
[15:14] <omac> One other thing, python2.5 easy_install2.5 are no longer available in ubuntu10.04.  That's understandable considering ubuntu may no longer depend on these, but grok depends on python2.5.
[15:14] <Lajosward> same here my skype works fine
[15:15] <Aidar-Nagato> Michalxo, i need to turn on SHMConfig first, but i cant, because there is no xorg.conf on 10.04
[15:15] <omac> my wifi connection at work is max 60KB/s.  That may have something to do with it, but the fact remains the wifi is flaky at work or skype is flaky at low bandwidth speeds.
[15:16] <omac> Glad to here that skype video works.
[15:16] <omac> How much is the min bandwidth for skype?
[15:16] <patdk-wk> heh
[15:16] <Michalxo> Aidar-Nagato I've heard that you can make your own xorg.conf if you have probelms, but I am not sure if it applies for SHM too :-/
[15:16] <patdk-wk> I found wifi to not work ever anymore :(
[15:16] <patdk-wk> but that is due to everyone seems to have installed more wifi units since christmas
[15:16] <patdk-wk> had to go to 5ghz wifi to make it work again :)
[15:17] <omikron4> omac remember that skype is a p2p program
[15:17] <Aidar-Nagato> Michalxo, i tried, but gnome failed to load with these settings, so i removed it
[15:18] <Lajosward> ok i am haveing a problem with ccsm the setting for workstations will not go past two without resetting back to 2
[15:18] <omikron4> and you need good broadband y u wanna send video
[15:18] <omac> thanks for the reminders....yes skype needs bandwidth and I don't have it.  The office shares the bw with 60KB/s for everyone( 10+ people )
[15:18] <omac> good night.
[15:18] <omac> I hear you.  I understand this.
[15:18] <omac> gn
[15:19] <omikron4> then you have to use only de voice or de message feature
[15:20] <Oxymoron> Hello everyone, if you have video render problem in all video applications, how do you bug process the problem? I have started to remove compiz and inactivated desktop effects, but problem consists
[15:20] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, what exactly is the problem?
[15:20] <billybigrigger> will fglrx be supported by lucid release time?
[15:21] <billybigrigger> i see in the release notes that it doesn't work with the current X server...so when will it work?
[15:22] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Uhm when I start like VLC (Just VLC works because I tried another video output mode), but all pther players like Dragonplayer, Amarok, Kaffeine and so on doesnt work and cant change output mode in phonon, just streamer and doesnt matter if its gstreamer or xine. The problem I got is that when the video start I can hear sound but video window just show an image of the picture from the window/background of the
[15:22] <Oxymoron> window underneath the video player
[15:23] <Lajosward> Any ideas on the problem?
[15:24] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: I send a screenshot, one sec
[15:25] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, i'm guessing the problem is somewhere with X
[15:25] <devilsadvocate> some extensions not turned on or such
[15:25] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, it isnt exactly a rendering problem
[15:25] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: http://imagebin.ca/view/1gG6uK.html
[15:25] <omikron4> 0xymoron i ve the same problem The unic mediaplayer i can use is vlc because i change o output video
[15:26] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: I guess its some kind of config setting that is wrong. I have struggled with this error even with Karmic. The reason I upgraded to Lucid was to see if it would work there instead. But I have same problem and its really annoying.
[15:26] <Oxymoron> omikron4: Yeah?
[15:27] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, its probably to do with your specific graphics drivers or so.
[15:27] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: How do I bug check this? Where to start?
[15:27] <Michalxo> wicd is unable to join wifi network :-(
[15:27] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: No, my grpahic drivers seem to work good. I think its something with phonon or x
[15:27] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Could be problem in xorg.conf?
[15:28] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, its probably something a bit off in xorg.conf because something is messed up in the dirver
[15:28] <devilsadvocate> some extensions may be disabled/missing entirely
[15:28] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, you'll have to look for some X troubleshooting guides
[15:28] <omikron4> yes, when i updated in karmic the same problem and now I can't see videos in kaffeine, amarok, etc,, in smplayer we can see too like in vlc
[15:28] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: I know I changed some things in xorg before to get Vbox work with mouse pointer integration
[15:29] <devilsadvocate> off the top of my head i'd suggest looking for dri and gl
[15:29] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Alright, thanks I look on x troubleshotting on google. I just had to ask to begin somewhere on google, its hard to do if you dont know what you look for :D
[15:29] <Oxymoron> omikron4: Updated when on Karmic?
[15:30] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, also look in glxinfo whether you have direct rendering enabled
[15:30] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: glxinfo means?
[15:30] <omikron4> I guess the problem is in that programs you can't configure the video output
[15:30] <bbordwell> Michalxo, you still here??
[15:30] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, its  a command, probably not installed by default
[15:31] <devilsadvocate> omikron4, the 'default' video output is non-functional for whatever reason
[15:31] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Yeah I thought of that and tried command directly and got a long list of some info with nvidia, I odnt understand a shit of that :D
[15:31] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, somewhere on the top of it
[15:31] <devilsadvocate> first few lines
[15:31] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: But, is that a problem in both Karmic and Lucid?
[15:31] <devilsadvocate> it should tell you about direct rendering
[15:32] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, its probably to do with driver support.
[15:32] <Emry> Is there a support channel for the music store?
[15:32] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Could be, but I dont know anybody else who got same problem
[15:32] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Well except for omikron4 :P
[15:32] <devilsadvocate> omikron4, Oxymoron what graphics / driver do you have / use
[15:33] <omikron4> i don't remember now when updated in karmic but now in lucid i've the same problem, but it doesn't matter I prefer to watch videos in vlc
[15:33] <Michalxo> bbordwell yes.. I have low-res plymouth + wicd can't connect to WPA2 netowrk :-(
[15:33] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: ""
[15:33] <Oxymoron> direct rendering: Yes
[15:33] <omikron4> nvidia gforce 6800 go
[15:33] <Oxymoron> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[15:33] <Oxymoron> server glx version string: 1.4
[15:33] <devilsadvocate> there you go
[15:33] <bbordwell> Michalxo, what type of video card do you have?
[15:33] <devilsadvocate> now find someone with an nvidia card without the problem and see if they did something with the default drivers
[15:33] <Oxymoron> omikron4: The new output mode in VLC is really slow, I want the regular one :P Which video mode do you use in VLC?
[15:34] <omikron4> gpl
[15:34] <omikron4> open gl sorry
[15:34] <bbordwell> Michalxo, I have heard a couple of complaints about wpa2 networks....
[15:34] <Michalxo> bbordwell nvidia 7300 go
[15:34] <bbordwell> Michalxo, do you have the propriety drivers installed?
[15:34] <Oxymoron> Someone in here with a nVidia grpahic card with nvidia-current installed and can watch videos in phonon apps like DragonPlayer?
[15:34] <Michalxo> I've found a bug too :-( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd/+bug/540070
[15:35] <Michalxo> bbordwell proprietary = from nvidia.com or from repos?
[15:35] <robotti^> bbordwell: I have also same problem with broadcom proprietary wi-fi drivers
[15:35] <bbordwell> Michalxo, proprietary are not installed by default. you install them using system>administration>hardware drivers
[15:37] <Michalxo> bbordwell yep, I have them installed
[15:37] <Michalxo> *using them already
[15:38] <bbordwell> Michalxo, that is why you have the low res plymouth. the propriety drivers do not support kms
[15:38] <omikron4> 0xymoron I can't watch videos in dragonPlayer
[15:38] <Michalxo> ah.. soo what's the best solution? forget about plymouth for now?
[15:41] <aboSamoor> Hi, I am looking for buying a new netbook. The one I am thinking of has a NM10 graphics card. Is it supported by LL 10.04 ?
[15:42] <Oxymoron> omikron4: Neither do I, but I can hear sound in DragonPlayer xD
[15:44] <omikron4> I 've bought for my son the aspire one 10 inch and it works fine with all hardware, even the camera
[15:45] <omikron4> I can hear it to, but image is invisible
[15:46] <omikron4> the problem is the output video
[15:47] <Oxymoron> omikron4: Yes, same for me
[15:47] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[15:48] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: Do you know if its possible to reconfigure xserver to get default settings?
[15:49] <yofel> hm, reconfiguring the xserver to get default settings would be deleting xorg.conf
[15:49] <yofel> but if that would help with video...
[15:50] <yofel> omikron4: what graphics card do you have there and what driver does it use?
[15:52] <yofel> (dragon player doesn't work at all here btw. It just skips through a video file if it actually tries to play it)
[15:54] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, then I delete xorg.conf then ...
[15:54] <omikron4> yofel i ¡ve geforce go 6800 and im using current version (i think the driver 185 or 195)
[15:55] <yofel> hm, video playback works fine on my quadro nvs 140M and geforce 7300GT with 195 in smplayer and vlc (that's what I tested so far)
[15:56] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes, seems to be some kind of configuration faulties, which made by some package sometime in Karmic and havent change since then
[15:57] <yofel> my 7300gt system was reinstalled at lucid alpha2, the other one used karmic once and lucid since pre-alpha
[15:57] <lontra> what is desktopcouch-se and can be it be safely killed if it's running out of control?
[15:58] <yofel> lontra: that's some database process, I'm not sure what application uses it though (ubuntu one?)
[15:58] <abhinav> hi .. any issue with vlc on lucid recently, wherein the video appears only 1/4th of the screen, and grayscale - happening since couple of days
[15:58] <devilsadvocate> Oxymoron, dont rm. mv instead so you have a backup
[15:59] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate: mv is move right?
[15:59] <yofel> omikron4, Oxymoron: I use KDE though, maybe compiz messes with your video output?
[15:59] <SEJeff> Oxymoron, man mv :)
[15:59] <jameswf> is it apmd that is responsible for blanking the laptop screen when the lid is closed?
[16:00] <yofel> jameswf: it should be the power manager of your desktop environment or if that doesn't handle it acpi
[16:01] <jameswf> yofel, trying to decide who to file a bug against.
[16:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: I have removed Compiz, that by the way fixed window decoration problem I had thanks to Umeaboy :)
[16:02] <Oxymoron> SEJeff: Thanks :)
[16:02] <SEJeff> Oxymoron, Oh anytime ;)
[16:02] <omikron4> I have no compiz in kde. im using native effects in kde, but compiz works fine in gnome
[16:02] <yofel> hm...
[16:03] <yofel> jameswf: what doesn't work?
[16:04] <Oxymoron> yofel: And btw, in jockey it says that nvidia-current is activated but is not in use? :S
[16:04] <jameswf> nevermind looks like ACPI #49521 so probably give it a me too... when the screen blanks it takes minutes to come back if at all and usualy the logged in session is killed
[16:05] <yofel> Oxymoron: you too? wth is up with jockey this release...
[16:05] <yofel> Oxymoron: what driver does your X log say that you use?
[16:05] <Oxymoron> yofel: X log, whats the source /var/log/* ?
[16:06] <yofel> Oxymoron: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:07] <xubuntu046> Hello everyone! I am installing Xubuntu 10.04 beta 1 at the moment, I followed the GUI install guide and 93% finished. But it's stuck here for a long time(more than 30 minutes). The message is "installing grub2". Can someone help me? Thank you very much.
[16:07] <Oxymoron> yofel: Uhm what do I look for, which driver, for my video card?
[16:08] <yofel> xubuntu046: can you check with top in a terminal or in the system monitor if a 'blkid' process is stuck?
[16:08] <yofel> Oxymoron: can you pastebin it?
[16:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah sure, wait a sec
[16:09] <Oxymoron> One question btw, in nano editor does it have a regret option like (Ctrl+z) and or ctrl+a (Select everything)?
[16:10] <omikron4> i go. Its very hard to me to translate my thougths in english expressions. bye
[16:11] <yofel> omikron4: what's your native language?
[16:11] <omikron4> spanish
[16:11] <Oxymoron> yofel: http://pastebin.com/i1VVygCN
[16:11] <SEJeff> omikron4, #ubuntu-es ?
[16:11] <yofel> omikron4: maybe ask in -es if they have a place to give local lucid support
[16:12] <xubuntu046> To yofel: I only have the installing screen and firefox window (got from clicking a link in the intall screen). how to get to terminal or sys monitor? Thank you.
[16:12] <yofel> xubuntu046: as I don't use xfce I'm clueless, sorry
[16:13] <omikron4> I have learned a little english through oxford university press course, but no for a long time, only 2 months
[16:14] <omikron4> goog bye salutations 4 ol
[16:14] <Oxymoron> omikron: Hasta la vista :P
[16:14] <yofel> Oxymoron: you're using the nvidia driver (195.36.15)
[16:15] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, so far so good I guess :)
[16:16] <Oxymoron> yofel: I asked someone else and he doesnt have same problem as I and omikron4 do, and hes uses KDE, Lucid and almost same settings as I do. Its some conflict in some package I think
[16:16] <Oxymoron> yofel: How do I search for isntalled packages on my system?
[16:18] <Oxymoron> apt-cache search * ? Or does that only search possible packages to install in apt? :P
[16:18] <yofel> Oxymoron: well, you can use synaptic or kpackagekit, aptitude, dpkg -l, apt-cache search, ...
[16:18] <SEJeff> Oxymoron, dpkg -l
[16:18] <SEJeff> -l being "el" as in lower case L
[16:19] <Oxymoron> SEJeff: Ah cool command, but is it possible to show only certain packages like xine*?
[16:20] <Oxymoron> yofel: Is apt-cache correct then?
[16:20] <yofel> Oxymoron: apt-cache searches for possible packages, for installed dpkg -l is correct
[16:20] <Oxymoron> yofel: As I thought then, apt-cache is not the one I search for and dpkg -l show all packages, I dont want to show ALL? :P
[16:21] <yofel> Oxymoron: dpkg -l | grep xine
[16:23] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, obviously ... :P Thanks man :P
[16:23] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you know if there something else than xine or gstreamer for Phonon?
[16:24] <yofel> nope, I have no idea how phonon works to be honest, I'm just somewhat happy that video and sound work here
[16:26] <Emry> :P For some reason the background and default text in the autosuggest menu in Eclipse are both coming up white in Lucid.  May that be a theme issue?
[16:26] <Oxymoron> yofel: Everything almost work perfect except this, its really annoying. But to be honest, this is kind of fun bug searching. Im kind of proud that a newbie like me was able to fix plymouth with your help kind a even if I did most of it myself :P
[16:28] <Oxymoron> yofel: Most things that usually work, its just delete all possible packages that could break everything with video and then install them again :P
[16:30] <Oxymoron> Btw, does regular expression work everywhere in console and does it fully support regexp? I mean, is it possible for like apt-get remove ^*xine[a-z0-9]+*$ :D
[16:31] <BluesKaj> which file do i edit to change default applications?. I thought I had made a note of it in my help text file , but obviously forgot to.
[16:31] <yofel> err no, every app has it's own regexp support, I know apt-get has some, but not sure how much
[16:32] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, just wondered if I would need it someday. But wildcards "*" usually do it <3
[16:33] <yofel> Oxymoron: yep, check the documentation of the app you're using for the info I guess (regexp on filenames is handled by the shell)
[16:33] <Oxymoron> yofel: Lol, apt-get remove *xine* doesnt work xD
[16:35] <tarzeau_> hello can someone try my ppa packages at https://launchpad.net/~gurkan-phys/+archive/ppa/+packages and give feedback?
[16:36] <dodi> 10.4 hangs when booting, both alpha and beta version
[16:37] <Emry> :P Have they thought of adding an RSS reader to the Me menu? ^_^
[16:38] <dodi> is this something I can debug?
[16:39] <yofel> dodi: where does it hang on boot? do you see *something* ?
[16:40] <Oxymoron> dodi: Yes, in grub menu, press e when select kernel and then replace quiet splash with --debug
[16:40] <alex_mayorga> my laptop has a physical "wireless" switch, should moving it to off kill my 3G connection via USB?
[16:40] <yofel> hm, that reminds me that I wanted to google about autofs...
[16:40] <Oxymoron> dodi: It could be faulties in fstab, that was the problem that Lucid hanged for me
[16:40] <dodi> select kernel? nothing like that
[16:41] <yofel> dodi: what do you try to boot? installation or live disk?
[16:41] <thieusoai> anyone knows the package name for "me menu" ?
[16:41] <dodi> hmm, upgrade also fails with some unknown symbol in grub
[16:41] <dodi> trying the beta iso
[16:42] <dodi> it hangs after cycling the dots a few times
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> !indo indicator-applet
[16:42] <yofel> thieusoai: I'm not 100% sure, but it should be 'indicator-me'
[16:42] <alex_mayorga> !info indicator-applet
[16:43] <thieusoai> ic -- thanks !
[16:43] <Oxymoron> yofel: What does autofs do exactly? I read about it on Google ... but dont understand the power if it? :P
[16:44] <patdk-wk> autofs is good, and annoying
[16:44] <yofel> Oxymoron: mounts a file system when you try to access it
[16:44] <patdk-wk> it does, just in time fs mounts
[16:44] <Oxymoron> dodi: Then try boot from a liveCD and chroot your partition and run update-grub
[16:44] <yofel> patdk-wk: yeah, but it might help me with my boot-hang on nfs thanks to plymouth issue
[16:45] <patdk-wk> autofs has given me nothing but issues with my diskless systems
[16:45] <patdk-wk> I always need to ssh in, and restart autofs to get it working, after boot
[16:45] <yofel> heh
[16:45] <patdk-wk> I use it to mount all my mythtv video shares
[16:45] <dodi> oops, now it boot into the install... menu :-)
[16:52]  * Oxymoron noticed that *buntu goes larger and larger ... hopefully not going to be larger than Windows xD
[16:52] <Oxymoron> File size of OS I mean ...
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> Oxymoron: depends on what you install
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> patdk-wk:  i would be amazed if Anything ever gets larger then windows
[16:54] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:54] <yofel> If I'm not mistaken the clean install of Win7 took ~15GB
[16:54] <Oxymoron> Ian_Corne: Yes of course, just noticed :P With every upgrade it became larger :D
[16:54] <Oxymoron> yofel: Clean install of for instance Ubuntu then? :D
[16:54] <patdk-wk> my clean installs of ubuntu are just under 300megs
[16:55] <yofel> Oxymoron: that takes ~2.5GB I think (desktop)
[16:55] <yofel> well, server is small enough ^^
[16:55] <Oxymoron> yofel: 2.5 GB? :O I thought it was much less than that
[16:55] <patdk-wk> windows 7 dvd is freaking 6gigs
[16:57] <yofel> a clean install of Fedora with KDE I just made took 2.1GB
[16:58] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you think its possible to make it like < 700 MB?
[16:59] <Oxymoron> yofel: Oh and bleachbit or what it calls, do you know if that app work as well as CCleaner does in like Windows?
[16:59] <schlaftier> running Xubuntu Lucid Beta1 on an Intel iMac :)
[16:59] <yofel> well, you could try the alternate disk and customize the install, but I think 'ubuntu-desktop' pulls in packages worth of >1GB disk spac
[16:59] <yofel> e
[16:59]  * Oxymoron just noticed why hes spotify doesnt work, WIne isnt even installed ... hahahahahahahahaha :D
[17:00] <Oxymoron> yofel: I have 2 TB storage so its not worries, but I want the programmers to optimize code more :P
[17:00] <yofel> Oxymoron: you could re-compile the archive with -Os (optimize for space) if you want :P
[17:01] <Oxymoron> yofel: How do you mean with re-compile archive?
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> !info upx
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> theres some executable packer tool :)
[17:01] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Hihi :D
[17:01] <yofel> Oxymoron: well, rebuild all ubuntu package
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> SmallBuntu
[17:02] <Oxymoron> yofel: What does it mean exactly? I am not afraid of info? :P
[17:03] <ppine> latest update broke my evolution :S its giving errors and showing me a new setup wizzard.
[17:04] <yofel> Oxymoron: even more detailed would take too much time, especially if you don't know anything about packaging
[17:04] <jdugie> Hi, I can't get my wireless card to connect to a WPA2 Enterprise network for longer than 5 seconds before it stops transferring data.  Can someone help me with this?
[17:04] <Oxymoron> yofel: This was really interesting regarding my video problem when tried to load winecfg: ""
[17:04] <Oxymoron> Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded.
[17:04] <Oxymoron> Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly.
[17:05] <yofel> o.O
[17:05] <Oxymoron> yofel: Its alright, I just kidding :P
[17:05] <Dimmuxx> How do I remove the keyboard layout I selected when I installed lucid? I have switched keyboard type and deleted the old one in keyboard settings but the old one is always selected and recreated the next time I login
[17:05] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you know what that means, or could mean with xserver and wine?
[17:06] <yofel> no
[17:06] <yofel> maybe ask in #winehq ?
[17:07] <Oxymoron> yofel: Also I got: "XOpenDisplay() failed"
[17:07] <Oxymoron> yofel: But I dont think it has anything to do with wine actually, must be something else
[17:10] <ejat> anyone know why this happen http://paste.ubuntu.com/406057/
[17:10] <patdk-wk> ejat, cause your not using windows 7?
[17:11] <patdk-wk> your filesystem probably had mount issues, and went into protect mode, not the read-only
[17:14] <alex_mayorga> anyones using a 3G modem?
[17:14] <jameswf> I <3 Lucid, give me a beta Linux over a stable windows any day
[17:14] <C-S-B-N900> i use my phone as one sometimes
[17:15] <bencrisford> jameswf: i couldnt agree more
[17:15] <alex_mayorga> C-S-B-N900: would you say it should be killed by "disable wireless" when right clicking on nm-applet?
[17:16] <Roasted_> Anybody run into a situation where the 10.04 Beta LiveCD freezes at certain intervals when running? I got a laptop here that works great on 8.04 and 9.04, but secured wireless networks present a problem in 9.10. I tried the 10.04 Beta but the LiveCD freezes at random times. After about 20 tries of rebooting, I finally got to test it, and was disappointed to see the same problem existed from 9.10 with the wifi. Anybody have that freezing issue?
[17:17] <Oxymoron> yofel_: I found problem. I removed xorg.conf, then it worked with crappy resolution. Then I typed nvidia-xconfig, run service kdm restart and same problem. So it must be some video output problem with nvidia-current
[17:19] <jameswf> Roasted_, I had issues booting in virualbox but on a real box no issue. That said whats the wifi issue
[17:20] <jameswf> remember if you didn't find or file a bug it is not a bug
[17:20] <Roasted_> jameswf, toshiba satellite L25. Atheros 2413 card. 8.04.4 works fine with WPA security, 9.04 works fine with WPA security. 9.10 only works unsecured, and 10.04 Beta only works unsecured. However, I only tested 10.04 from the LiveCD. I tried to install and update it and try from there but it kept freezing during the installer. Even tried another CD - both burned at slowest speed.
[17:20] <Roasted_> jameswf, I filed a bug yesterday.
[17:21] <alex_mayorga> Roasted_: broadcom card?
[17:21] <Roasted_> Atheros 2413
[17:21] <Roasted_> my SSID and netowrk is picked up out of box. It's just when I try to connect, it just... doesn't.
[17:22] <Roasted_> unsecured with 9.10 it works. like I said, tried with 10.04 too and it did the same thing.
[17:22] <Roasted_> though I didnt try it unsecured in 10.04. kept having freezing issues with the livecd.
[17:23] <jameswf> wierd I am using atheros works great granted a different chipset. Are you using the real atheros driver or ndiswrapper
[17:23] <jameswf> s/real/madwifi/
[17:23] <Roasted_> whatever is working by default. there's no hardware drivers for me in the restricted manager, and I tried ndiswrapper but that failed too.
[17:23] <Roasted_> I tried using the XP 32 bit driver for it but it said something about unsupported hardware or something or another....
[17:23] <dupondje> how can you select the plymouth boot screen ?
[17:25] <C-S-B-N900> alex_mayorga: no, kill wireless in nm is for the wifi card.
[17:27] <alex_mayorga> C-S-B-N900: can you confirm if it kills your 3G too?
[17:28] <C-S-B-N900> not just now sorry, my comp is in repair.
[17:29] <alex_mayorga> C-S-B-N900: but you've got a N900 so what's there to worry about :)
[17:29] <C-S-B-N900> exactly :)
[17:31] <alex_mayorga> C-S-B-N900: sadly they didn't put the right bands for it to have 3G in .mx :(
[17:31] <C-S-B-N900> ouch
[17:32] <C-S-B-N900> ive heard.
[17:32] <alex_mayorga> is beyond me why nokia didn't make it quad band
[17:32] <C-S-B-N900> i get hspda here, quicker to browse web with that than wifi
[17:33] <alex_mayorga> I know, the E72 my wife picked up for me has HSDPA too and it's faster than my 2Mb DSL
[17:33] <jameswf> Roasted_ in looking looks like it may sit upstream... https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14107
[17:35] <Roasted_> jameswf, hm, what are you thinking? that this is already a known issue?
[17:38] <ppine> sudo reboot
[17:38] <gellmar> hi! why if I reconfigure locales nothing is done?
[17:39] <gellmar> I have installed my ubuntu via chroot
[17:39] <gellmar> and now I have no national letters
[17:40] <gellmar> in my console
[17:41] <genii> svscvsc: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache search $(uname -r)| grep kernel
[17:41] <genii> Wrong chan, sorry
[17:43] <gellmar> where are system locales are stored?
[17:45] <kklimonda> gellmar: you can generate new locale using locale-gen <name>
[17:46] <gellmar> have done that already
[17:46] <gellmar> but locales environment is set to POSIX
[17:46] <gellmar> and I can not change it
[17:56] <Rabbitnightmare> man I love 10.04, I mean this is really well groomed, but to save some CD space, why not remove OpenOffice.org as well?
[17:56] <dupondje> Rabbitnightmare: there has been talked about :)
[17:56] <dupondje> anyway, fetch the netboot :)
[17:57] <Rabbitnightmare> it would shave like 200+ megs off which leaves room for a lot
[17:58] <guntbert> what happened to to daily - alternate - cd image ?
[17:58] <guntbert> *to the
[18:00] <Rabbitnightmare> are the icons going to change to a nice shade of purple too?
[18:04] <Rabbitnightmare> I suggest http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Voyager+?content=121349 for the new theme
[18:04] <Rabbitnightmare> ive been hard at work with my friend
[18:05] <Rabbitnightmare> lol
[18:10] <timing_> Hi
[18:10] <timing_> My mouse movements pauzes for a second after I pressed a keyboard shortcut
[18:11] <timing_> e.g. I press win+t, then i move my mouse but it starts moving a second later
[18:11] <timing_> this also hapens with things like ctrl+l in chrome/firefox
[18:11] <timing_> or even the spacebar ( while that key isn't even bound to an action )
[18:18] <timing_> I found the bug!
[18:18] <timing_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/496371
[18:24] <SandGorgon> I'm still having problems trying to install 10.04 on a nvidia 6100 motherboard... the USB startup disk takes an hour to boot up and I dont see the boot options menu at all (where you can choose between "Install", "Try without installing", etc.)
[18:28] <billybigrigger_> anyone here having any success with an ipod touch/latest updates/rythmbox?
[18:29] <billybigrigger_> rythmbox shows 2 apple ipod devices...but won't transfer to either one of them, i can paste a screenshot if anyone is interested in helping out?
[18:31] <ARishi> I installed ubuntu 10.04b1, Internet is working, but gmail is kind of not. I tried my password and it rejects it but when I login with the same password through windows I am able to log in
[18:32] <Damascene> hello, what do you call the case that the shipped ubuntu cd is in?
[18:33] <Damascene> I'm no expert in english and I need to know what is that
[18:34] <SEJeff> Damascene, cd case?
[18:35] <genii> Damascene: Could be also: blister pack
[18:35] <genii> ( the whole envelope which it arrives in )
[18:35] <SEJeff> genii, Or a manilla envelope
[18:35] <genii> SEJeff: Yes
[18:36] <Damascene> well I want the name of the cartoon only that hold the cd.
[18:36] <Damascene> the only good photo I got when I search for the ubuntu shipped cd :)
[18:37] <SEJeff> Damascene, cd case or "jewel case" is common. Nothing really special
[18:37] <genii> Sometimes jacket
[18:37] <SEJeff> Oh right, they are in the paper sleeves now
[18:38] <Damascene> jacket is the best one for now
[18:38] <Damascene> got many picture in google images
[18:38] <Damascene> thanks
[18:48] <melkor> billybigrigger_: I'm not even having luck with a shuffle.
[18:48] <melkor> Though there are some new updates.
[18:48] <billybigrigger_> melkor, have you added your user to the group "fuse"?
[18:48] <billybigrigger_> i seem to be able to transfer music now
[18:48] <billybigrigger_> with my ipod touch
[18:50] <pitwalker> hi all! why missed network-manager from full gnome install, afte i apt-get install it manually i can access to internet
[18:50] <billybigrigger_> hmmm
[18:50] <billybigrigger_> can't seem to eject my ipod due to dbus problems now
[18:51] <pitwalker> single user/netboot entry is working always :-)
[18:52] <melkor> nope, it still doesn't see the partition
[18:54] <billybigrigger_> melkor, needs a restart
[18:54] <dupondje> damn we should help to develop z-push, damn nice app
[18:55] <blackvd> just did a clean install of beta 1 on my compaq CQ50 laptop and for some reason i cant connect my network?
[18:55] <blackvd> is this a known issue
[18:56] <melkor> blackvd: its way to vague, what sort of connection are you trying.  Have you looked for any error messages?
[18:57] <blackvd> tried plugging directly into my router but its unable to connect
[18:57] <blackvd> tries to connect for a while then says network disconnected
[18:58] <blackvd> i knew the wireless wouldnt work out of the box but never had an issue with the network not working when plugged in
[18:58] <SEJeff> dupondje, Have you seen the other zarafa stuff?
[18:58] <SEJeff> It is basically open source outlook web access with activesync
[18:59] <melkor> blackvd: yes that is pretty strange after you plug in the cable, what do you get with dmesg?  You should paste it though.
[19:00] <dupondje> SEJeff: well zafara is to closed :) but z-push is nice, as it has IMAP backend
[19:00] <dupondje> just to bad it has some bugs :(
[19:02] <blackvd> melkor, complains about no wireless drivers found and then says eth0 link up ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready then eth0 no ipv6 router present then link down up down up
[19:03] <melkor> blackvd: how about killing network manager and just using dhclient?
[19:03] <melkor> (just as a test)
[19:06] <blackvd> melter, DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
[19:06] <SEJeff> dupondje, You are mistaken. The webui is agplv3
[19:06] <blackvd> melkor, No DHCPOFFERS received
[19:06] <SEJeff> dupondje, http://www.zarafa.com/wiki/index.php/Compiling_source_code """ The Zarafa source code is licensed under the AGPLv3 license.  """
[19:07] <melkor> blackvd: did you sudo ifconfig eth0 up; sudo dhclient eth0 ?
[19:07] <blackvd> melkor, yeah same error
[19:08] <melkor> And you kill network manager?
[19:08] <dupondje> SEJeff: but it has only a licence for 3 outlook in the 'free'
[19:08] <blackvd> melkor, yep
[19:08] <dupondje> anyway, would like to extend the Z-Push, but need to get a picture of the structure :p
[19:09] <melkor> I would suggest use lspci to figure out what your ethernet card is and get the dmesg part then google with relevant snippets to see if it is a bug that has been reported.
[19:09] <SEJeff> dupondje, I think it is like virtualbox debs you download from virtualbox.org. Free but closed source, where as the gpl version is a bit different
[19:09] <SEJeff> dupondje, If it had those restrictions it would not be in the fedora repos: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=1880881 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=162828
[19:09] <SEJeff> Ubuntu is way more pragmatic about licensing than fedora
[19:13] <dupondje> SEJeff: just want to modify Z-Push now, so it uses IMAP, and saves contacts to vcard and calendar to ical file
[19:13] <SEJeff> dupondje, That would be really hot
[19:16] <dupondje> SEJeff: there is IMAP backend, there is VCard backend, just need to combine it and add iCal backend
[19:16] <SEJeff> Absolutely
[19:17] <dupondje> its just a bit shitty documented :)
[19:17] <dupondje> like how it exactly works :P
[19:17] <SEJeff> So you're saying it is like most open source... You get what you pay for. Every now and again you get a bit more heh
[19:24] <foreverubun2> what's with the switch to Yahoo?
[19:25] <ShackJack> HI all - couple issues when trying to install the beta - one is when I boot from the 10.1 beta CD, instead of bringing me to either the install or a live environment it dumps me at a GDm login screen? Anyonje know whasup with that?
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, Canonical received money from Yahoo for the switch
[19:26] <tyler_> why cant i install sun-java5?
[19:27] <ZykoticK9> tyler_, there is a sun-java6 in the partner repo (i'm guessing you'd have to find an old DEB or bin install to install the old version)
[19:28] <balas> how does personal file sharing work under lucid ?  whats the difference between personal file sharing and samba ?
[19:29] <melkor> tyler why do you need java5?
[19:29] <thak> Has anyone here tried to unlock the bootloader on a Nexus One with fastboot-linux in Lucid and experienced issues (I realize how specific this is).
[19:29] <git__> has anyone test recording and playing back mouse and keyboard events?
[19:30] <git__> 9.10 Xrecord extension is broken
[19:30] <melkor> I would like to switch my gnome panel to my second monitor, is there a way to do this?
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> melkor, old down the ALT key and drag it to the 2nd monitor
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> s/old/hold
[19:32] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9: Wow... that makes me want to switch to another linux os.
[19:33] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, it only takes a couple of seconds to switch your default homepage!
[19:33] <ShackJack> Does anyone know why the live cd might be directing me to a GDM login screen vs an install/live environment?
[19:33] <git__> two things that are needed in Lucid, Xrecord extension and suspend/resume to work
[19:34] <patdk-wk> ZykoticK9, that works, but how do you move the bottom bar? or make the bottom bar use both screens?
[19:34] <red> I'd like to bind Expo key to mouse thumb button
[19:34] <ZykoticK9> patdk-wk, i think it works the same way
[19:34] <red> any idea how I could do that?
[19:34] <patdk-wk> ZykoticK9, I tried, couldn't get it to move
[19:34] <red> already have the desktop switcher in another thumb button
[19:34] <patdk-wk> maybe it needs empty space, and I have like 60+ programs open
[19:35] <foreverubun2> ZykotiK9: I know, but I try to avoid distros that will change for money...
[19:35] <ZykoticK9> patdk-wk, verify you are clicking the actual panel and not something on the panel - you might have to use unlock and move the switch a little to show the actual panel underneath
[19:35] <patdk-wk> on the left, it's the panel, it gives me the panel properties
[19:35] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, it's up to you man - there are plenty of Linux distros out there
[19:36] <patdk-wk> ya, it works, once I cleared empty space onto the panel
[19:36] <ZykoticK9> patdk-wk, :)
[19:37] <patdk-wk> had to use, group programs always option :)
[19:37] <patdk-wk> damn, I have 21 ssh sessions going
[19:37] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9: True...I dunno, it's not very major considering I use chrome...think I'll just ignore it
[19:38] <Michalxo> hello!
[19:38] <Michalxo> just a quick question about notifications... are you able guys to click BEHIND / BELOW notification(s)??
[19:39] <ZykoticK9> Michalxo, i can't until they disappear
[19:39] <Michalxo> in karmic I think I was, and now, I am not able to... it's annoying especially when browsing and want to close tab (for example)
[19:39] <JoshuaL> Michalxo, same here
[19:39] <Michalxo> is it bug?
[19:39] <ShackJack> Anyone had issue with glitchy video with the open source ATI driver (running an X1400 on Dell notrebook)?
[19:39] <JoshuaL> i believe its a bug
[19:39] <JoshuaL> someone told me it will be fixed sometime
[19:39] <Michalxo> hm.. was it reported? :-/
[19:39] <ShackJack> *not video but display, ya know? ;-)
[19:39] <ShackJack> Can't find yet...
[19:39] <Michalxo> JoshuaL aah nice to hear that :-)
[19:40] <Michalxo> thank you guys!
[19:40] <balas> i'm having issues after clicking on my firefox icon i have deleted the ~/.mozilla directory and then it'll launch fine, i even apt-get firefox-gnome-support, however after that browser closes, it never opens up again
[19:41] <blackvd> melkor, built the wifi drivers and and now that works. will try to figure out why ethernet doesnt tho. thanks for the help!
[19:41] <nightsjammies> Is it possible for me to upgrade from Karmic to Lynx yet?
[19:42] <Michalxo> nightsjammies YES
[19:42] <Michalxo> I did today ;-)
[19:42] <joumetal> balas: maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/518422
[19:42] <balas> thanks
[19:42] <nightsjammies> Good, because I don't really feel like installing from the disc. So how do I do it.
[19:42] <nightsjammies> ?
[19:42] <JoshuaL> Michalxo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/546650
[19:42] <Michalxo> balas see, if you're not running other firefox below
[19:43] <Michalxo> nightsjammies update-manager -d
[19:43] <nightsjammies> in terminal?
[19:44] <foreverubun2> nightsjammies: terminal or Alt-2
[19:44] <foreverubun2> nightsjammies: Alt-F2
[19:44] <Michalxo> JoshuaL thanks ;-) Mirco is the guy :-)
[19:44] <nightsjammies> Okay, thanks much.
[19:45] <nightsjammies> isn't there a command to move the min/ max buttons from the left back over to the right?
[19:46] <ZykoticK9> !controls | nightsjammies
[19:46] <nightsjammies> Thank you ZykoticK9 :)
[19:47] <foreverubun2> Is it safe at this point in time to install lynx on a production machine or is it still pretty buggy?
[19:47] <NoCode> When trying to run winecfg in wine1.2, I don't get an applet popping up, but 2 lists of "X Error of failed request:  XF86VidModeExtensionDisabled" with things in a list.
[19:47] <NoCode> Is this known?
[19:47] <Michalxo> foreverubun2 I've installed it on my lappy, and had only 1 problem... [nvidia here though]
[19:47] <Michalxo> *upgraded
[19:47] <penguin42> foreverubun2: there are some combinations that are causing problems, but most people are OK
[19:48] <arand> foreverubun2: Beta != stable
[19:48] <NoCode> http://pastebin.com/twPcyVxM Here's what I see in Lucid
[19:48] <nightsjammies> Michalxo: nvidia, crap: what was wrong with it?
[19:48] <foreverubun2> penguin42: any really major bugs caused by apple hardware?
[19:48] <Michalxo> nvidia - nothing ;-) ATI is the pain in the ass
[19:48] <penguin42> foreverubun2: Don't know; a lot of the problems have been graphics driver, but I don't follow Apple stuff
[19:49] <nightsjammies> ah, okay..good. I've enough trouble with that.
[19:49] <foreverubun2> penguin42: Considering I have integrated graphics, think i'll stay away
[19:49] <Michalxo> foreverubun2 try livecd... :-) or make new partition about 4GB big and install it there ;-)
[19:50] <foreverubun2> Michalxo, it seemed fine in testdrive
[19:50] <nightsjammies> does anyone in here know anything about personal wiki's?
[19:50] <Michalxo> :-)
[19:53] <melkor> ATI worked fine with lucid, first try even w/out xorg-edgers.
[19:53] <Michalxo> well on amilo li1718 with ati, it was unable to even boot :-(
[19:53] <Michalxo> livecd
[19:55] <melkor> foreverubun2: I wouldn't use it yet for production, bugs seem to spring up at any moment, from crippling to just plain annoying.
[19:56] <NoCode> Seems like a regressive bug from Karmic
[19:56] <penguin42> foreverubun2: Of course it also depends what you mean like 'production' - if you mean your main desktop machine and you're fairly good fixing things then it's OK; if you mean a server running most of Norway, probably not
[20:00] <c001os> hi
[20:01] <c001os>  i upgraded my karmic to lucid, and my etc/apt/source.list is empty... what hapens?
[20:02] <penguin42> c001os: I don't think it should be; you might find the old one in /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade
[20:02] <c001os> i dont have source.list now
[20:02] <c001os> i have just /etc/apt/source.list.akiradbackup
[20:03] <c001os> i dont know what is that
[20:03] <c001os> my source.list just gone :(
[20:03] <c001os> but updates working
[20:03] <penguin42> c001os: Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:03] <c001os> and i can see sources in the graphical software sources
[20:04] <c001os> penguin42, i dont have source.list.d too
[20:04] <penguin42> very odd
[20:04] <penguin42> c001os: I think you should copy one off somewhere else
[20:04] <Michalxo> i've send him mine
[20:04] <Michalxo> c001os checkout *private msg
[20:05] <c001os> ok then i need just make my new source.list and things go fine?
[20:05] <c001os> its not problem
[20:05] <Michalxo> yeah
[20:05] <c001os> thx guys
[20:05] <genii> c001os: I think it's sources.list     and not source.list       (two "s" in sources, like as in plural)
[20:05] <c001os> lucid is just awesome
[20:06] <foreverubun2> penguin42: I think I will later today as it's my spring break and I have plenty of time to fix things...
[20:06] <c001os> jeh genii
[20:17] <Mohamed> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 10.04 and it's asking me for a username and password before installation, any ideas?
[20:17] <SEJeff> Mohamed, Yeah, put in the username and password you want to be installed on the system :)
[20:17] <SEJeff> It needs to create 1 user for you to login as when the system boots up
[20:18] <Mohamed> I try, it says authentication failed.
[20:18] <Mohamed> I didn't even start the installation.
[20:19] <tetsuo-> hello, after updating today i'm unable to boot
[20:19] <Mohamed> I'll restart it.
[20:19] <tetsuo-> i get an error that /home cannot be mounted bacuase dazukofs is an unsupported fs
[20:19] <penguin42> never heard of dazukofs - does 'dazuko' mean anything to you?
[20:20] <tetsuo-> its part of dazuko
[20:20] <penguin42> what's dazuko?
[20:20] <tetsuo-> its a driver used by virusscanners
[20:20] <Bittarman> anyone know what libgcrypt is doing at bootup?
[20:21] <penguin42> tetsuo-: In that case I suggest your virusscanner has broken in the upgrade, but I've never dealt with any of them
[20:21] <tetsuo-> i need some way to uninstall dazuko, then i should be able to boot again
[20:21] <tetsuo-> i'm on a live disc now
[20:23] <syddraf> I'm running Lucid 32 bit on a Dell Latitude D630 and Ubuntu is not turning on my wireless card. The hard switch is on, but the status light on the laptop is off. Windows recognizes the wi-fi, so it's not a problem with the card. How can I fix this?
[20:24] <penguin42> syddraf: Might be worth trying system->administration->Hardware Drivers
[20:25] <syddraf> Thanks penguin42, I'll boot over and take a look. brb
[20:27] <tetsuo-> got disconnected
[20:29] <cento> hi
[20:29] <cento> but in lucid,is ubuntuone client dead?
[20:29] <cento> i need to start it manually
[20:29] <cento> without icons or notification something
[20:30] <cento> im too lamer to understand?
[20:31] <tetsuo-> ok found the offencive code in my fstab
[20:31] <tetsuo-> :   /home    /home    dazukofs
[20:31] <cento> nobody about my ubuntuone question?
[20:32] <tetsuo-> so how do i correct the dazuko stuff ? ; http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6fwk2hvH
[20:32] <tetsuo-> can i just comment it out or do i need to restore the link to home to a more standard layout
[20:34] <yofel> cento: not at the moment it seems, please be patient, not all of use follow the channel in real time
[20:34] <yofel> tetsuo-: wth is dazukofs?
[20:35] <tetsuo-> yofel:  its a file system layer for virusscanners
[20:35] <penguin42> yofel: It seems to be an opensource infrastructure to which 3rd party antivirus systems can attach
[20:35] <tetsuo-> its not critical, and i will uninstall it as soon as i get ubuntu to boot again
[20:36] <cento> yoasif, yep, im patient :) i only hope my question was tipical on this channel
[20:36] <yofel> ah
[20:36] <tetsuo-> just need to fix the fstab so ubuntu boots again
[20:37] <yofel> cento: I'm not using uone myself but heard many complaints about it, you could also ask in #ubuntuone
[20:37] <bipolar> I'm trying to get a usable preseed file out of debconf-get-selections but it doesn't include the partitioning setup. Specifically I installed using full disk encryption and I'm trying to preseed it. there is no reference to partman in the output of debconf-get-selections even with the --installer option.
[20:37] <yofel> tetsuo-: then just comment it out for now
[20:37] <cento> ok ok thanks, its a lucid problem, but i ask there
[20:37] <tetsuo-> that easy?
[20:37] <tetsuo-> lol
[20:37] <bipolar> Do I need to get that info from something else?
[20:39] <yofel> tetsuo-: if your boot failure consists of mountall complaining about a wrong fstab line then commenting the broken line out should get it into a working state again
[20:39] <tetsuo-> huh
[20:39] <tetsuo-> oops wrong fs
[20:39] <tetsuo-> lol
[20:39] <tetsuo-> i was editing the livecd one
[20:40] <syddraf> penguin42, It would appear that the entire networking package is broken on Lucid. I plugged in a hard line so I could troubleshoot the wireless card in-system, but even that is not working. The only thing listed under Hardware Drivers was my nvidia card.
[20:40] <tetsuo-> yofel:  thanks, if it works i wont be back ;p
[20:40] <yofel> bipolar: you might ask in #ubuntu-installer which packages they use on the install disks, but the installation packages shouldn't exist on an installed system
[20:41] <bipolar> yofel: thank you. I'll check in over there.
[20:50] <SEJeff> bipolar, /me thinks it is all of the casper stuff
[20:52] <c001os> my firefox menu item from internet menu just diapeard
[20:52] <c001os> i reinstalled firefox but not camed up
[20:52] <c001os> any help?
[20:53] <c001os> from terminal it work fine
[20:53] <c001os> i need add manual menu item?
[20:53] <virtuald> if i run init 1 as root will it work?
[20:54] <bipolar> SEJeff: excuse me?
[20:54] <virtuald> c001os: right click on the program menu and edit it
[20:54] <c001os> ok i know that
[20:55] <c001os> but not firefox icon there
[20:56] <SEJeff> bipolar, casper is the livecd installer. If you weren't sure the difference of what is on the installed system vs the livecd casper is one of the big differences between the two.
[20:58] <bipolar> Oh, I see what you mean.
[20:59] <guntbert> CD Image: what happened to the daily - alternate - cd image ? daily live is fine but alternate is missing for a few days
[21:02] <Oxymoron> If I remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart xserver my video output in mutlimedia players work ... but if I then afterwards run nvidia-xconfig it doesnt work again - Whats the problem then?
[21:04] <topyli> is the topic up to date?
[21:04] <yofel> Oxymoron: you were using the nvidia drive right? without xorg.conf it shouldn't use the nvidia driver
[21:04] <topyli> meaning, can you do updates today? :)
[21:04] <GodfatherofEire> Does anyone know if it's possible to chainload grub2 into an isolinux loader?
[21:04] <yofel> topyli: not quite up-to-date, but it should be fine I think
[21:05] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, I got low graphic mode without nvidia driver ... So it means nvidia driver isnt working or what?
[21:05] <yofel> Oxymoron: propably, ask bjsnider maybe when he's online
[21:05] <topyli> yofel, ok i'll see eventually. thanks :)
[21:06] <Oxymoron> yofel: Why just bjsnider?
[21:06] <Oxymoron> yofel: Everything else work and change video output mode in VLC make it work?
[21:06] <yofel> Oxymoron: he knows a lot about bjsnider (and he's the only one I know that is in here)
[21:07] <yofel> Oxymoron: well, you could always ask in #ubuntu-x if they can send you in the correct direction
[21:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: Alright, thanks :) Do you know if there is some nvidia driver channel or anything similar?
[21:08] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider hauled my arse out of the fire back when I got started with Lucid.  I owe him a beer at a minimum.
[21:08] <yofel> Oxymoron: I know #nvidia exists, but that's all I know
[21:10] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, seem to be right place :) I will ask in there :)
[21:14] <nightsjammies> Well, hell. I just restarted from upgrading, and I got an error saying something about the kernel crashing..and now it's telling me that 'the problem cannot be reported', this is not a genuine Ubuntu package'..
[21:14] <nightsjammies> Any ideas?
[21:15] <Bradpitt> guys. what is the cmd line to kill /var lock ..... i choose the wrong repos :(
[21:15] <Oxymoron> yofel: Sigh, nobody seem to know anything about nvidia in #nvidia channel xD
[21:15] <yofel> nightsjammies: can you refresh your package cache and try to report it again?
[21:16] <yofel> !aptlock | Bradpitt
[21:16] <pepee> hi
[21:16] <Bradpitt> thanks bro
[21:17] <pepee> I have a problem with an app: http://pastebin.com/AzkEEScn . This happens after updating to kubuntu lucid
[21:18] <pepee> this is the backtrace: http://pastebin.com/AwJjziG8
[21:18] <nightsjammies> yofel: how do I do that?
[21:18] <maxb> Is anyone else finding the contrast in the initial GDM screen such that you can't see the controls on the top/bottom panels?
[21:19] <maxb> e.g. the "Shut Down" button
[21:19] <yofel> nightsjammies: recheck in synaptic I think, or type 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal
[21:19] <yofel> maxb: I think someone filed a bug for that
[21:20] <yofel> against gdm iirc
[21:20] <nightsjammies> yofel: then restart?
[21:20] <yofel> nightsjammies: no, just let it refresh the cache and try to report the bug again
[21:21] <nightsjammies> ah, okay
[21:25] <arand> I'm getting nasty crashes on aptitude update, works with apt-get and otherwise though...
[21:25] <maxb> define crashes?
[21:26] <yofel> arand: does it work with aptitude -q ?
[21:27] <arand> yofel: indeed it does, known bug?
[21:27] <yofel> yes -.-
[21:28] <yofel> arand: bug 515525
[21:28] <Oxymoron> yofel: one guy told me it could be something with the codecs that is the problem?
[21:29] <Oxymoron> yofel: For the video output error I mena
[21:29] <yofel> Oxymoron: no idea, could be it, but I wonder why changing the output mode helps then
[21:30] <arand> yofel: Yea, exact one, cheers, I'm in tty atm (unrelated issue) hence the LPIYF fail.
[21:30] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes, I dont understand at all why it doesnt work. But MOSTLY I dont freaking understand WHY JUST ME cant get it working, some other guys it work for perfectly
[21:30] <damascene> hello, any one using evolution. I need help please
[21:30] <damascene> http://paste.ubuntu.com/406168/
[21:30] <damascene> copy this to a new message
[21:30] <damascene> in the first line with link http://wiki.arabeyes.org/المشاركة_في_الترجمة
[21:30] <yofel> Oxymoron: well, video work fines in KDE and my geforce 7300GT too...
[21:31] <damascene> go to the end of the line then press Home
[21:31] <damascene> it will crash
[21:31] <Oxymoron> yofel: But change output mode in VLC for instance, the video render is REALLY slow and you cant go fullscreen xD
[21:31] <guntbert> damascene: please tell us, what it is about - no one likes to follow blindly
[21:31] <damascene> as I said it will crash
[21:31] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes thats so strange, I cant imagine what the problem is and I dont have a clue where to start look for errors or misconfiguration
[21:32] <damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/504165
[21:32] <nightsjammies> Interesting, I still have the same look as I did under Karmic. Is there something I can do about that?
[21:33] <guntbert> nightsjammies: do you really want to different every 6 months? ;-))
[21:33] <Oxymoron> yofel: It happened sometime when I updated Karmic before but I dont know when and why it just stopped working on day.
[21:33] <Oxymoron> *one
[21:33] <guntbert> *to look
[21:33] <yofel> hm
[21:34] <Oxymoron> yofel: I dont think I have done anything radical changes in config files, think its some conflict or something somewhere.
[21:35] <Oxymoron> yofel: Compiz (Not the problem), XServer (Doesnt seem to be the problem), nvidia 195.36.15 (Seem not to be problem itself because it work for others) and I think about codes, phonon, KDE 4.4.1 packages for Kubuntu or something misconfigurated after an update
[21:35] <nightsjammies> not really.
[21:39] <amanda1> http://www.mdhjakten.se/dela/?id=dti2d6s
[21:39] <amanda1> nice svhool
[21:40] <guntbert> amanda1: don't spam here either!!
[21:41] <billybigrigger_> is there a proper adobe repo or .deb for flash? or are we still using the one from adobe's site?
[21:42] <penguin42> billybigrigger_: Install flashplugin-installer
[21:43]  * Oxymoron wonders if someone know a way to reconfigure xserver, codecs and so on completly to default settings?
[21:45] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Well, ignoring Nvidia, the X config default is no xorg.conf
[21:45] <Oxymoron> penguin42: How do you mean, the sentence make no sense for me? :P
[21:46] <penguin42> Oxymoron: By default there is no xorg.conf file, so to put the xserver back to the default remove the xorg.conf; however I know the Nvidia closed source binary may do things differently
[21:48] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Alright :P Well, without xorg.conf file it works, but I want my high resolution and graphic acceleration :P But I dont think it has anything to do with nVidia or XServer at all anymore. Its something else, the interaction between nvidia and whatever it could be.
[21:49] <damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/504165
[21:49] <damascene> I've confirmed it
[21:49] <Oxymoron> penguin42: What protocols are responsible to provide multimedia apps like Dragonplayer with a video window? Because Wine cant either create windows, it complained about something openGL I think.
[21:50] <penguin42> damascene: I'm curious, what is a 'weak directionality character' ?
[21:50] <damascene> I don't know exactly but there is one line that can make this problem
[21:50] <damascene> this:
[21:50] <damascene> http://wiki.arabeyes.org/ نعم
[21:50] <pepee> every time there is a kernel update, I have to install the headers manually...
[21:50] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Well video is done by one of 3 or 4 mechanisms; OpenGL, Xv,  or basic stuff where the X server doesn't do anything special;  If you have OpenGL issues on Wine and you've got Nvidia then it's probably the nvidia driver
[21:51] <damascene> copy it to new messeage go to the end of the line then press Home
[21:51] <pepee> is there a way to force dl the headers for the updated kernel?
[21:51] <pepee> (in the same update)
[21:51] <penguin42> damascene: But can you explain to me what a 'weak' character is - aren't all characters either ltr or rtl ?
[21:51] <Lajosward> anyone haveing problems with the wine being provided by the software center?
[21:52] <Oxymoron> penguin42: I dont know, it said before unable to create window in terminal ... Now I got winecfg work anyway in temrinal :P Xv is the output channel in VLC for the moment and then video work, but really slow.
[21:52] <penguin42> pepee: Install linux-headers-generic; that will keep it uptodate (although not necessarily in line with the kernel?)
[21:52] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Does glxgears work?
[21:52] <Oxymoron> penguin42: What more combinations and protocols could it be?
[21:52] <damascene> penguin42, may the reporter meant marks like * . - that behave in strange way with bidirectional text
[21:52] <pepee> ok, thanks
[21:52] <Oxymoron> penguin42: ""
[21:52] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ glxgears
[21:52] <Oxymoron> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[21:53] <penguin42> Oxymoron: OK, so if you're Nvidia then you need to configure the driver for it, it sounds like you don't have something set up for OpenGL at all
[21:54] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Video is done by one of mplayer or xine backends; but they use OpenGL, Xv or a few other things to actually do teh rendering
[21:54] <bjsnider> nvidia-current must be installed and activated and in the xorg.conf file
[21:54] <Oxymoron> penguin42: How to setup for OpenGL then? xD
[21:55] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Oh yeah, activated how in xorg.conf file?
[21:55] <penguin42> Oxymoron: That's an nvidia specific
[21:55] <Oxymoron> penguin42: How for nVidia then? xD
[21:55] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, just use jockey. it's all been done for you
[21:56] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Follow bjsnider, I'm an ATI guy!
[21:56] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Funny thing is that Jockey tells me that nvidia-current us activates but not in use? :D
[21:56] <Oxymoron> penguin42: LoL, traitor :D
[21:56] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Hey, ATI released all the specs and I'm using the OpenSource driver - now what were you saying?
[21:57] <bjsnider> penguin42, in that case, fire yourself so they can hire someone good
[21:57] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a known issue with a fresh Lucid Gnome install causing nautilus to restart constantly (twice per second) eating CPU and flickering the screen with a "Starting File Manager" tasks icon ?
[21:58] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron: I was looking at that issue (nvidia-current not active, but in use) the other day; it looks to be a mix-up with the module aliases in jockey
[21:58] <penguin42> bjsnider: Hey I'm not employed by them
[21:58] <Lamo> curious what was the reason for moving the close,minimize,expand panel to the left side?
[21:59] <bjsnider> penguin42, oh, i misunderstood
[22:00] <Oxymoron> penguin42: That it doesnt matter, nVidia is still better? :D OpenSource != automaticly best xD
[22:01] <SEJeff> Lamo, They want to add a new button on the right that does some crazy stuff in the release after Lucid from my understanding
[22:01] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Hmm alright, well nvidia is switched on then I guess :) But still got error, please help me fix this before I go berserk and Kill my GNU/Linux distro :D
[22:02] <Lamo> SEJeff, thanks
[22:02] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, as long as it is working... just don't stare at the Jockey dialog all day!
[22:04] <dbugger> Hey guys!
[22:04] <dbugger> Anybody knows if the mythbuntu bug has been solved?
[22:05] <IntuitiveNipple> dbugger, There's only one?!
[22:05] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Jockey isnt the problem :P That I have been left behind me ;) And no it isnt working, I NEED to get video working. Its strange, no video output in one single multimedia player, not even mplayer
[22:05] <dbugger> IntuitiveNipple, one what?
[22:05] <arand> dbugger: Yes, if you got hit by it, you need to do some package business manually though.
[22:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, ok, then have you confirmed the nvidia proprietary driver is in use by X ?
[22:06] <dbugger> arand, Im already back at the clean Karmic install. Im waiting for that bug to pass, to upgrade. I wanted to know if it's safe now
[22:07] <arand> dbugger: fix was released 22h ago, if you're not using a very slow-syncing mirror it should be in.
[22:12] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: YEs, 195.36.15 is in use by X, but I dont know if its proprietary?
[22:12] <yofel> it is
[22:12] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: As I said before and tell again, I dont think its anything to do with X or nVidia driver
[22:13] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, If you checked using glxinfo and saw "OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 195.36.15" then it is
[22:13] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Not my themselves anyway
[22:13] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, you are not using the nvidia driver
[22:13] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ glxinfo
[22:13] <Oxymoron> name of display: :0.0
[22:13] <Oxymoron> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[22:13] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: How do you know that?
[22:14] <bjsnider> because if you were, glxinfo would give you a very different response
[22:14] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: How do I activate nvidia driver then?
[22:14] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, what is your graphics hardware, sir?
[22:14] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: nVidia 7950 GT
[22:15] <bjsnider> upgrade that, please sir
[22:15] <bjsnider> what does your xorg.conf file say?
[22:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, This is what you should expect to see: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406185/
[22:16] <penguin42> anyone use html5 in chromium? I have a bit fo an odd problem with it
[22:16] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Yes, I saw that eralier today ...
[22:16] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Upgrade to a better graphic card? pfft
[22:16] <vesz> Is there any info posted somewhere on how to get the fglrx module working with X? Can't seem to google well enough to find anything
[22:17] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Wait a sec and I send you pastebin of xorg.conf
[22:17] <bjsnider> you can benefit from vdpau with a newer card
[22:17] <bjsnider> and opengl 3
[22:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, ok, then you should look first at /var/log/dmesg to ensure the nvidia stub is loaded, and that at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what driver and config X is choosing
[22:17] <Oxymoron> Is there a good command to copy source from e text file to clipboard?
[22:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Select the text; Ctrl+C to copy
[22:18] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: yofel said that Xorg.0.log showed that it uses nVidia 195.36.15, not exactly surw about dmesg though.
[22:18] <alex88> to remove"this feature cannot be enabled because the required packages are not installed" from gnome-file-share-properties what should i install? i've installed samba
[22:18] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Yeah, but isnt there any good command?
[22:18] <alex88> and no solution
[22:18] <IntuitiveNipple> (assuming you're using a GUI text editor of course)
[22:18] <yofel> bjsnider: btw, do you know any newer cards that don't require an PCIe x16 2.0 slot? I wanted to get myself a newer one, but it seems something along a 8800 (or 8600?) gts would be the only thing that fits in my mainboard
[22:18] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, do you have a pastebin link to your Xorg.0.log ?
[22:19] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406186/
[22:19] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Wait a sec I copy that too
[22:20] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406187/
[22:21] <vesz> Oxymoron: you can install pastebinit and then 'cat xorg.conf | pastebinit
[22:21] <vesz> Oxymoron: and you get an URL back
[22:22] <Oxymoron> yofel: I would wait until nVidia discover that they actually can design smaller graphic cards and not every body are FPS fanboys xD
[22:22] <yofel> ^^
[22:22] <Oxymoron> vesz: Oh my god, seriously?! Why havent somebody tipped me about that one, awesome! <3 Thank you very much!
[22:22] <vesz> Oxymoron: np :)
[22:24] <vesz> again, anyone got any guidelines for catalyst/fglrx drivers/modules in 10.4?
[22:24] <penguin42> vesz: I saw a fix go in for that yesterday I think
[22:24] <Oxymoron> vesz: I love it, do you know if that url come to clip board or do you need to copy URL?
[22:25] <vesz> Oxymoron: need to copy it I'm afraid
[22:25] <vesz> Oxymoron: still alot less to copy, and fewer times
[22:25] <vesz> penguin42: fix go into the repos? or some docu
[22:25] <vesz> penguin42: or is it lost forever in the irc logs :)
[22:26] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, can you give me this: grep -i nvidia /var/log/dmesg | pastebinit
[22:26] <penguin42> vesz: I think it was a fix that went into a repo
[22:26] <darkfile> check this: http://bit.ly/cRQWcB
[22:26] <vesz> penguin42: doesn't seem to work on my end, but perhaps I'm doing something wrong :)
[22:27] <vesz> penguin42: I'll just wait and see
[22:28] <vesz> penguin42: ty anyway
[22:28] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, run update-alternatives display gl_conf'
[22:28] <bjsnider> without that trailing '
[22:29] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, That should be: update-alternatives --display gl_conf
[22:30] <red> hmm
[22:30] <red> i had a ftp foulder opened in nautilus
[22:30] <red> opened a file there in geany
[22:30] <red> it produced an error upon saving and now the file is 0bytes
[22:30] <red> anyone has any suggestions if I could rescue the file anyway?
[22:31] <IntuitiveNipple> red: look for a file with the same name ending with a ~  (that's a backup)
[22:31] <red> i did, no such file
[22:31] <red> and it was a clients webpages index.html :D
[22:31] <IntuitiveNipple> red: restore from VCS then
[22:31] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: What does it do? :)
[22:31] <red> was just gonna take a peek and then make backups before editing
[22:31] <Lamo> New problem lol, so my screen looks stretched and fuzzy. Here is a screenshot http://imgur.com/dOLBt.png was wondering if anyone else thinks so and might have a clue to fixing it? nvidia-settings show the right res and refresh rate.
[22:32] <red> IntuitiveNipple: i would have to find the original page creator in that case
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, what does what do? the pastebinit or the update-alternatives?
[22:32] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple:
[22:32] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ update-alternatives --display gl_conf
[22:32] <Oxymoron> gl_conf - automatiskt läge
[22:32] <Oxymoron>  länk pekar för närvarande på /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf
[22:32] <Oxymoron> /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf - prioritet 500
[22:32] <Oxymoron>  slav xorg_extra_modules: /usr/lib/xorg/x11-extra-modules
[22:32] <Oxymoron> Nuvarande "bästa" version är /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf.
[22:32] <Oxymoron> oops
[22:32] <smirnoff> Hello ! I just upgraded to lucid and i can't find the volume control in indicator applet. there is only chat, mail and broadcast. Any help ?
[22:32] <Oxymoron> sorry about "spam"/flloding
[22:32] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, Argghhh... the idea is to pastebinit :p
[22:33] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, have you got /usr on a separate partition?
[22:33] <jemark> the ubuntu one doesn't work anymore in lucid for me... 100% CPU usage, etc...
[22:33] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: No, /usr is on same partition what I know about
[22:33] <SEJeff> jemark, Can you /j #ubuntuone
[22:34] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: How to use pastebinit on temrinal command output? :P
[22:34] <IntuitiveNipple> red: Useful Tip: when working on important files add them to a VCS. I use git-core. git init; git add *; git commit -a -m "Original Files". Then I commit each change and I can back out at any time and later can return to the history
[22:35] <red> IntuitiveNipple: I know VCS and I use it on my own projects, as said, I was just taking a looksy on a clients webpage whom I've made an intranet for. Was gonna see how its built up before adding the url to the intranet there.
[22:35] <red> Geany just went awol and blew the damn thing apart somehow
[22:35] <FFForevez> Hi ya
[22:35] <FFForevez> Has anyone else lost sound with the last round of updates?
[22:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, For any command that writes its output to STDOUT (console) you can 'pipe' | the output to a following command. So, append " | pastebinit" to a command
[22:35]  * Oxymoron almost cry like a baby that he cant get it to work together with people who know what they are doing :P
[22:35] <red> Guess I'll e-mail the webhotell administration since they must keep backups
[22:35] <red> then I'll backup the whole ordeal before touching again :p
[22:36] <IntuitiveNipple> red: yeah, my point is I *always* VCS something before I touch it
[22:36] <FFForevez> VCS?
[22:36] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Alright :) btw, cat ... or nvm I look on manual
[22:36] <red> versioncontrol
[22:36] <IntuitiveNipple> FFForevez, Verson Control system
[22:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, You'd use 'cat' to write a text file to the console, but if a command generates output you don't cat to capture its output, just add the pipe
[22:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, so "update-alternatives --display gl_conf | pastebinit"
[22:37] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: Alright, good to know. Hopefully I remember this now in pastebinit :P
[22:38] <Oxymoron> http://pastebin.com/mmqjBDjQ
[22:38] <Oxymoron> Ah, fast as hell <3
[22:38] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, update-alternatives --set gl_conf /etc/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[22:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, Right, and that shows the problem
[22:38] <bjsnider> sudo ldconfig
[22:39] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Uhm, I got this problem: "update-alternatives: error: alternativet /etc/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf för gl_conf har inte registrerats, ställer inte in.   "
[22:39] <IntuitiveNipple> bjsnider, Oxymoron might be better to do "sudo apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-current"
[22:39] <xfact> hello
[22:39] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: WHich mean it havent been configured for gl_conf and dont setup
[22:39] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: I have removed and reinstalled like million time :P
[22:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, do the apt-get --reinstall I've recommended. That should ensure the package is correctly setup
[22:40] <jemark> nobody responds in ubuntu one...
[22:40] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, i don't speak that language
[22:40] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: If I remember riht, as of Lucid you have to manually register nvidia driver
[22:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, when it reinstalls, check if any errors or warnings are reported
[22:40] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yes, I explained ;)
[22:40] <orbarron> hello all --> I am trying to download Lucid beta release but I am having an issue with debootstrap... I removed it and reinstalled debootstrap_1.0.20_all.deb but I am still not able to pull down Lucid getting the following error --> Your debootstrap installation does not seem to have support for the Lucid distribution
[22:40] <Oxymoron> IntuitiveNipple: If I remember riht, as of Lucid you have to manually register nvidia driver
[22:41] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: update-alternatives: error: alternative /etc/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf for gl_conf havent been registered, dont setup.
[22:41] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, I've not seen anything documented along those lines; the package is responsible for ensuring it is fully installed and configured
[22:42] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, reinstall nvidia-current
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> I have to do some work here that involves logging off - still got nautilus restarting twice a second, grrr
[22:42] <IntuitiveNipple> Oxymoron, Good luck with that
[22:43] <xfact> Anyone can tell me that duel booting Karmic and ;ucid is possbile?
[22:43] <almoxarife> ok, so I debified the latest irssi client, is there a way to submit something like that into the ubuntu world?
[22:43] <xfact> *Lucid
[22:44] <FFForevez> How can I get my sound back?
[22:45] <FFForevez> I stand corrected I just have no sound in flash =\
[22:45] <yofel> almoxarife: usually we sync the irssi package from debian, but if you want to try ask in #ubuntu-motu
[22:46] <yofel> almoxarife: but as we are past the feature freeze I doubt they'll accept it for lucid
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> xfact, i'm duel booting karmic & lucid right now
[22:47] <xfact> ZykoticK9, Cool, I should go for it
[22:47] <almoxarife> yofel: perhaps you right, as it turned out the client is a reminder of what it was like to go back to manual clothes washing, I am not sure what the hype is, or there is something I am not seeing, both!
[22:49] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: I got this ... http://pastebin.com/qqDx5QtK
[22:49] <yofel> almoxarife: haha, well I think irssi is the best cli client out there, and irssi+screen+ssh is great if you want to stay connected all the time and have a server (well, quassel can do that too now)
[22:49] <xfact> Only one thing fears me, that is last time after running an update my gnome was inaccessible, so if this time happens then I will lose lots of data like last time
[22:49] <vesz> FFForevez: could try removing ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/pluginreg.dat and restart firefox, if that's what you're using :)
[22:49] <vesz> FFForevez: otherwise I have no idea
[22:50] <kklimonda> great, my firefox is leaking memory like crazy..
[22:50] <kklimonda> and using a lot of cpu.. hmm..
[22:50] <almoxarife> yofel: I barely scratched the surface of the client I guess, what's the 'screen' importance?
[22:51] <yofel> !screen | almoxarife
[22:51] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, now do sudo ldconfig and restart x
[22:52] <almoxarife> yofel: is 'terminator' a 'screen'?
[22:52] <FFForevez> vesz, you rock, what is in pluginreg.dat?
[22:53] <almoxarife> !terminator
[22:54] <yofel> almoxarife: only if you can open terminator in an ssh session, disconnect from it, close the ssh session, create a new ssh session and open the terminator window again that you had running before
[22:55] <vesz> FFForevez: think it's where the flashplugin etc is auto confed when you launch firefox
[22:55] <vesz> FFForevez: new flashplugin, but you probably had your old 9.10 .mozilla folder
[22:55] <vesz> FFForevez: so confed for an old plugin :)
[22:55] <vesz> FFForevez: or something, I don't know the internal workings exactly
[22:55] <FFForevez> vesz, it worked before ;)
[22:56] <FFForevez> I have been on 10.04 for ~2 weeks
[22:56] <vesz> FFForevez: aha
[22:56] <vesz> FFForevez: glad it worked anyways :)
[22:56] <almoxarife> yofel: I am guessing terminator does not.
[22:56] <yofel> almoxarife: screen is even useful on the pc you're working on, like you install updates  and X dies, if you run apt-get in a screen session it will just continue and you can open the screen session from a tty for example, or just restart X and continue where you left of
[22:56] <FFForevez> yeah you are a life saver
[22:56] <vesz> :)
[22:57] <almoxarife> yofel: I understand now, thnks, does it have a gui ??? :)
[22:57] <yofel> almoxarife: there's a bunch of scripts called byobu that make screen a bit nicer to use
[22:57] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Doesnt seem to work after ldconfig either and restart x
[22:58] <yofel> almoxarife: well, no, it's a terminal manager, like: open a terminal, run  screen, disconnect from it, open a new terminal and open the running screen session there
[22:59] <BUGabundo> guys tell me something
[23:00] <BUGabundo> opening one of the new indicator applets
[23:00] <BUGabundo> and then moving/hoovering the mouse over another
[23:00] <BUGabundo> will also expand that one
[23:00] <almoxarife> yofel: I am the gui who would rather take a week to find the gui method to a problem than to just open a terminal
[23:00] <BUGabundo> is this desirable ?
[23:00] <almoxarife> guy
[23:01] <yofel> almoxarife: heh, understandable, well like I said, quassel is like a gui version of what irssi+screen+ssh can do ^^
[23:01] <BUGabundo> almoxarife: OTOH the first thing to show up on my laptop, after login is gnome-terminal
[23:01] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Some people prefer it that way
[23:01] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I rather don't!
[23:01] <BUGabundo> I want it to open WHAT I click one
[23:01] <BUGabundo> if I get +1 from anyone, ill file a bug
[23:01]  * yofel has byobu open in yakuake all the time :D
[23:02] <BUGabundo> (yay for 4th UI bug I file)
[23:02] <almoxarife> I loaded kubuntu on top of ubuntu after an upgrade and kubuntu was/is problem free, good job ubuntu/kubuntu
[23:02] <almoxarife> yofel: quassel you say, must look then
[23:03] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Do you have any more suggestions? :)
[23:03] <qebex> hello, i removed lxdm and installed slim. in lubuntu now there is no boot at all
[23:04] <almoxarife> nevermind there is a bug of sorts, my pointer is the kubuntu default, but I am in ubuntu, that a bug or just the way it works?
[23:05] <penguin42> almoxarife: Now I've got that problem as well!
[23:05] <almoxarife> penguin42: the pointer from kubuntu?
[23:05] <yofel> qebex: is slim set as the default window manager for X? and did you make sure it get's started on boot?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> I guess I'm alone on this :(
[23:05] <penguin42> almoxarife: Yeh
[23:06] <almoxarife> penguin42: and trying to change it in destop prefs does nothing
[23:06] <qebex> yofel: there is not inittab and even run level 1 will not work
[23:06] <yofel> penguin42, almoxarife: the default pointer should be set by some update-alternatives setting iirc
[23:06] <penguin42> yofel: Isn't it part of the theme?
[23:07] <penguin42> actually it is, I've frigged with that code before - I bet KDE has put a custom pointer in the home directory or something
[23:07] <almoxarife> yofel: I don't understand what you said
[23:07] <yofel> penguin42: if you set it yes, but the default is defined by /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme
[23:07] <yofel> which should use oxygen-white if it's installed I think
[23:08] <penguin42> yofel: Good spot! It's got itself set to oxy-white.theme
[23:08] <almoxarife> yofel: that's the pointer I have now, oxy white
[23:08] <Wizzup> Current ubuntu packages break nautilus: nautilus-data wants to remove nautilus
[23:08] <yofel> almoxarife, penguin42: best you use galternatives to set something different then ;)
[23:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you know where bjspider and the other guy went? :P
[23:09] <yofel> Oxymoron: the other guy said he had to work, dunno about bjsnider, what's your state now?
[23:10] <Oxymoron> yofel: Status quo I guess, which mean nothing new still same old computer I guess ...
[23:10] <yofel> Oxymoron: so gl_conf still broken?
[23:10] <RambJoe> how do i install ati drivers?
[23:11] <Oxymoron> yofel: gl_conf seem to work okey :)
[23:11] <almoxarife> yofel: so, if I start quassel client in ubuntu and log out of ubuntu into kubuntu I should still have the client up?? is that the point?
[23:11] <orbarron> all: can lucid be created from rootstock? or are the  ISOs and  torrents the only way to go?
[23:11] <yofel> Oxymoron: but glxgears still doesn't work?
[23:11] <RambJoe> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu1 does that work
[23:12] <yofel> almoxarife: well, the point is more like: have the core running on your sever and be connected 24/7 and you can connect from every pc that can connect to the server
[23:13] <yofel> almoxarife: but yes, you can use it like that too
[23:13] <Oxymoron> yofel: glxgears work :)
[23:13] <Oxymoron> yofel:
[23:13] <Oxymoron> update-alternatives: använder /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf för att tillhandahålla /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf (gl_conf) i automatiskt läge.
[23:13] <Oxymoron> update-alternatives: varning: hoppar över att skapa /usr/lib32/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 då den associerade filen /usr/lib32/nvidia-current/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 (från länkgruppen gl_conf) inte finns.
[23:13] <Oxymoron> update-alternatives: varning: hoppar över att skapa /usr/lib32/libvdpau_nvidia.so då den associerade filen /usr/lib32/nvidia-current/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so (från länkgruppen gl_conf) inte finns.
[23:13] <yofel> Oxymoron: but video still doesn't ?
[23:14] <yofel> Oxymoron: hm, vdpau should be HD video acceleration, not sure if you need it (more like it shouldn't work with a GF7
[23:14] <yofel> )
[23:14] <vesz> RambJoe: don't think ATI has given us a driver that works with xserver 1.7 yet, which lucid uses
[23:15] <vesz> RambJoe: They have promised to release one before the offical release though :)
[23:15] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, video doesnt work unfortunatly ... Alright, well I dont need HD Video anyway
[23:15] <RambJoe> cool thanks :)
[23:15] <RambJoe> so like a month
[23:15] <penguin42> RambJoe: Try your 3d app anyway, the opensource drivers work well enough for google earth and some 3d shootem-ups
[23:16] <RambJoe> which open source ones do i install?
[23:16] <RambJoe> i ahve none atm lol
[23:16] <penguin42> RambJoe: The drivers installed by Ubuntu by default should do 3d on an R6xx or R7xx video card or older, maybe not newer ones than that
[23:17] <RambJoe> oh cool, is that 4870?
[23:17] <RambJoe> i'm getting 5870 soon but they're should be official drivers then? :)
[23:17] <penguin42> I think that should work
[23:18] <RambJoe> shame it has no Steam yet D:
[23:18] <drbobb> OK so I made a bootable sdcard from the desktop iso image by using unetbootin, but found it unusable cause my video does not work with lucid, at all. Are there boot args that would make the live desktop start in vesa mode
[23:18] <drbobb> ?
[23:18] <penguin42> RambJoe: I have the Radeon 4350 (RV710 chip) and it seems good
[23:18] <RambJoe> :)
[23:19] <vesz> penguin42: not sure if they work on the newer desktop cards, atleast neither radeon or radeonhd works for me :( both monitors auto shutdown
[23:19] <vesz> penguin42: if you did something special to get your to work please share :)
[23:19] <penguin42> vesz: Which card?
[23:19] <drbobb> I used to know how to achieve this but this stuff changes with every release
[23:19] <RambJoe> i didn't do anything to make my 4870 work
[23:19] <vesz> penguin42: HD5770
[23:20] <RambJoe> just could be a bit smoother
[23:20] <penguin42> vesz: I use the xorg-edgers daily stuff, so that's pretty new - ah the 5xxx are different chips again I think
[23:21] <vesz> penguin42: aha, reading some bug report thread now, see if I find something invigorating
[23:21] <vesz> penguin42: hope those ATI guys release a good driver when they finally do
[23:21] <penguin42> vesz: The RV7xx chips should work with the free drivers, not sure if they've looked at whatever is in the 5770
[23:22] <RambJoe> the new drivers have ogl 3.3 and 4.0 dont they?
[23:30] <antibody> hello I have a problem , I installed the latest kernel and I have an error init: plymouth something error any hints?
[23:30] <vesz> penguin42: finally what chip it was :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(GPU_family)
[23:30] <vesz> penguin42: if you ever get asked again ^^
[23:30] <antibody> with 2.6.32-020632-generic I have no problem
[23:30] <antibody> so it's specific to the kernel installed from lucid pkgs
[23:31] <bcurtiswx_laptop> why isn't evolution 2.29.92 in Lucid?
[23:31] <penguin42> vesz: Yes so I think that will need frglx for a while
[23:31] <bcurtiswx_laptop> is it because it's in experimental?
[23:32] <arand> bcurtiswx_laptop: 10.04 was synced from debian-testing afaik..
[23:33] <yofel> bcurtiswx_laptop: I guess  nobody came up with a justification why to sync it from experimental, what we have now came from unstable
[23:33] <bcurtiswx_laptop> yofel: yeah, i don't get it
[23:33] <yofel> bcurtiswx_laptop: why?
[23:34] <bcurtiswx_laptop> lucid has 2.28.3, just seems off it's not at 2.30 right now with evolution upstream
[23:34] <bcurtiswx_laptop> s/off/odd
[23:34] <yofel> for an LTS we auto-sync from testing, you can request syncs from unstable, but syncing from experimental requires a good explenation
[23:35] <yofel> bcurtiswx_laptop: well, ask the debian maintainers why it's in experimental then, the new debian release should be soon as well I think, and they'll propably stick with 2.28 too
[23:35] <bcurtiswx_laptop> yofel: im not even sure its in experimental
[23:35] <yofel> bcurtiswx_laptop: it is, I checked
[23:35] <yofel> http://yofel.pastebin.com/hEuXmStP
[23:36] <bcurtiswx_laptop> yofel: ok thx
[23:37] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: destkop team has decided that evolution 2.30 is too risky for LTS
[23:37] <Viper1432> speaking of evolution...just went to do my lucid daily updates, and its wanting to do a partial upgrade by getting rid of about 50 apps....and not putting them back...including evolution.  would that be a sync issue?
[23:37] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: is there a discussion on the ML i can read?
[23:38] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: hmm.. I haven't seen any
[23:39] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: the main argument against 2.30 is the fact that upstream have rewritten quite a lot of code and it's not as stable as it should be.
[23:39] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: RedHat is going to do the same and upstream has agreed to keep 2.28 branch alive for some time
[23:40] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: yeah, i figured that may be the case.  I noticed they were doing a good chunk of rewrite.. surprised a lot of other packages haven't  with GNOME 3 coming
[23:40] <kklimonda> probably because evolution carries a lot more ancient code than most..
[23:41] <kklimonda> I still think the new mail client should be written on the Evo backend
[23:41] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: lol, good way to put it.  Thx
[23:41] <kklimonda> and separate contacts, calendar etc.
[23:41] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: integrated using telepathy
[23:42] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: true, it should also use telepathy (but evo have a really good backend that can be reused - anjal does it)
[23:42] <kklimonda> unfortunately anjal is uninstallable in lucid
[23:42] <topyli> kklimonda, i agree. e-d-s is okay, but we could use separate apps for all that stuff. the address book should be telepathic of course, and integrate with emmpathy
[23:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: getting things gnome is a good start
[23:43] <Cloaky8x> @ Obsidian1723-2 :)
[23:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> separate to-do list
[23:43] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: I'm not going to comment on that because I've used GTD application on Mac and I'd rather not hurt feelings of people who do code in their free time :)
[23:44] <topyli> e-d-s should still remain, we have great synchronizing stuff i would hate to throw away
[23:44] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: lol, ok
[23:44] <Obsidian1723-2> :D
[23:44] <Obsidian1723-2> So anyone know how to change the login screen in Lucid?
[23:44] <kklimonda> yes, there is no discussion about e-d-s as it's a good piece of software and it's not feasible to rewrite it imo
[23:44] <Tm_T> !away > KatieOffline
[23:45] <bsmith093> are there any issues with todays build of lucid installer
[23:46] <bsmith093> or is there a way to upgrade directly from 9.04 jaunty to lucid
[23:46] <Cloaky8x> It doesnt boot for me on i7
[23:46] <Cloaky8x> the installer totally forks up
[23:46] <timClicks> bsmith093: update-manager -d
[23:46] <Obsidian1723-2> bsmith, no
[23:46] <Obsidian1723-2> Not that I know if...
[23:46] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: empathy doesn't show you in this chat room using -idle..  did it to bdmurray a couple days ago..
[23:46] <bsmith093> will that work for 10.04 if i have jaunty
[23:46]  * bcurtiswx_laptop wonders
[23:46] <Cloaky8x> I wish update-manager -d worked for me i click upgrade and it does nothing
[23:47] <Cloaky8x> --Running Karmic
[23:47] <timClicks> oh, okay
[23:47] <arand> bsmith093: hardy->lucid is (or will be) supported, otherwise it needs to be done in steps
[23:47] <Obsidian1723-2> afaik you must go 9.04 > 9.10 > 10.04
[23:47] <Obsidian1723-2> or 8.04 > 10.04
[23:47] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: hmm? what do you mean? you don't see what I'm writing at all or am I not in the users list?
[23:47] <Obsidian1723-2> but I suggest N&P instead.
[23:47] <Cloaky8x> Ah I see, that makes sense why 9.10 to 10.04 doesnt work
[23:47] <bcurtiswx_laptop> Cloaky8x: you can try sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:47] <penguin42> Cloaky8x: Then run the do-release-upgrade script
[23:48] <Cloaky8x> 1337 ty
[23:48] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: you're not on the users list
[23:48] <bsmith093> pbsidian N&P?
[23:48] <Obsidian1723-2> Nuke and Pave
[23:48] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: well, that sucks - can you report it? :)
[23:48] <bsmith093> oh ha
[23:48] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: now you're here
[23:48] <bcurtiswx_laptop> what did you change?
[23:48] <Obsidian1723-2> I find upgrades messy. better to wipe and install.
[23:48] <bcurtiswx_laptop> anythign?
[23:48] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: nothing - just did /cycle
[23:49] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: did you just recently join?
[23:49] <bsmith093> are there any issues with todays installer
[23:49] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: they work as long as you don't mess with the system too much
[23:49] <bcurtiswx_laptop> before that recent one
[23:49] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: hmm.. no, I don't think so
[23:49] <bcurtiswx_laptop> i have three servers at work with last LTS.. i really hope the LTS to LTS upgrades work pretty darn well
[23:50] <bsmith093> so if i have jaunty can i just wait for lucid to come out and upgrade then
[23:50] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: as long as you don't do the upgrade in the release day - I think LTS->LTS upgrades are going to be postponed for some time
[23:50] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_laptop: They do test that, now whether it works for your particular servers or not - certainly not an upgrade I'd plan while having the users waiting
[23:50] <yofel> bsmith093: you'll have to upgrade to karmic first and then to lucid
[23:51] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: i don't mind waiting, but Im strongly for upgrading.  Just hope all our services don't break (too badly).. otherwise it'll be a busy weekend for me and my boss
[23:52] <yofel> bcurtiswx_laptop: the LTS->LTS upgrade tests I did before beta1 went fine, but I'm not sure how good init script migration for servers is done at the moment, the simple desktop setup works
[23:52] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_laptop: It might be worth setting up a vm replicating the conditions on your existing machines and trying upgrading that
[23:52] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: you should really do a test or two :)
[23:52]  * yofel thinks penguin42s idea is good
[23:52] <Obsidian1723-2> kkllimonda, Linx shouldnt be that fussy. That spounds more like Mac OS X or Wi9ndows.
[23:53] <Obsidian1723-2> Maybe I need to run Gentoo.
[23:53] <Nandou>  I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[23:53] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: hmm?
[23:53] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: i wouldn't doubt the need to test is great.. and i will.  just unfortunately i don't get paid for my server work as i am just a measly grad student/slave :P
[23:53] <Obsidian1723-2> [17:49] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: they work as long as you don't mess with the system too much
[23:53] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: there isn't much we can do when users enable half of PPAs available and add some random repositories
[23:53] <Obsidian1723-2> I LIKE and WANT to be able to configure my OS exactly how I like it.
[23:53]  * bcurtiswx_laptop <facepalms>
[23:54] <bsmith093> daarn right
[23:54] <kklimonda> well, there ARE developers who think that we should downgrade all packages to supported versions before doing upgrade. I'm one of them
[23:54] <penguin42> bcurtiswx_laptop: Been there, done that - still, if you break it the whole research group will be standing next to you with burning torches and pitchforks
[23:54] <Obsidian1723-2> b een at this 32 years, Im far from a noob heheh
[23:54] <bsmith093> if i wanted random crashes and annoying unfixabkle bugs id stick to windows
[23:54] <kklimonda> but it's not going to fly
[23:55] <Obsidian1723-2> logic fails eh?
[23:55] <penguin42> kklimonda: Do you find on server installs people are running many random package versions?
[23:55] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: the more I use linux the less I want to configure every part of it :)
[23:55] <Obsidian1723-2> kklimonda, what do you develop exactly?
[23:55] <bcurtiswx_laptop> penguin42: lol, wouldn't doubt it.
[23:56] <kklimonda> Obsidian1723-2: I'm contributing to ubuntu development. mostly random bug fixing and maintaining a few packages I care about.
[23:57] <bsmith093> ever heard of a little thing called checkgmail
[23:57] <Cloaky8x> nope what is it
[23:57] <bcurtiswx_laptop> I adopted empathy as a bug control member.  Now slowly (i repeat _SLOWLY_) am patching it up here and there.  My first patch ever made it so when coming back from idle empathy won't reset your status
[23:57] <bsmith093> tiny runs in the panel simple to cinfig  i love it
[23:57] <Cloaky8x> cool
[23:58] <bcurtiswx_laptop> bsmith093: is there a indicator applet thingie for checkgmail?
[23:58] <bsmith093> it is an indicator applet thuingie
[23:58] <bsmith093> for gmail
[23:58] <bsmith093> sudo apt-get install checkgmail
[23:59] <bcurtiswx_laptop> bsmith093: i've used it before and it was a tray icon.. did it actually move to the indicator applet?
[23:59] <bsmith093> but update through checkgmail --update
[23:59] <bsmith093> umm sorry i dojnt understand the diference
[23:59] <bcurtiswx_laptop> bsmith093: the envelope icon is the indicator applet
[23:59] <bcurtiswx_laptop> the place it sits.. is the system tray