[00:45] kirkland: around? [00:46] libvirt vs windoze xp pro, drive C becomes readonly as of recently, was working a few days back [00:46] (lucid) - wtf? [00:46] wandering back and forth, so laggy [01:01] New bug: #550578 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package mysql-server-5.1 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 128" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550578 [01:29] ... is there any reason why, under Lucid, I get a bunch of 000 executables in /sbin and /usr/sbin ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/405041/ [01:31] sup guys [01:42] ... I mean, I just reinstalled upstart and it is "12K ---------- 1 root root 9.3K 2010-03-17 19:38 /sbin/runlevel" [01:42] Filesystem problems? === AntORG_ is now known as AntORG [02:33] Hello. [02:34] I have an ubuntu server and I recently got vnstat. Then I saw that my server is like constantly sending data. Approx 200 mb per hour is transmitted. Almost nothing is reiceved. I have no idea what this transmission is. How can I check it? It is a command line only serve.r [02:37] I have an issue with Lighttpd not being able to use port 80 [02:37] saying it is in use [02:37] but I have no processes using port 80 and I cant find why it would be in use [02:37] kirkland: interesting - 'twould appear that the issue was windoze vs self [02:37] only happened after a reboot, used to work just fine, I am using Ubuntu Server 10.04 [02:38] zagabar_, iptraf ? [02:38] I dont have a lot of experience with this, but lighttpd is set up correctly as far as I know, and works fine if i specify a different port like 81 [02:40] CBebop: so something else may be bound to port 80, please investigate [02:41] CBebop, can you try doing telnet localhost 80 on a terminal on your server? [02:42] netstat -lntp showed nothing bound to port 80 is why I came here, I coulndt find much online but I most likely wasnt using the right words [02:43] CBebop, how about telnet localhost 80 ? [02:44] connection refused [02:45] CBebop, hmm... do you have the error message provided by lighthttpd? [02:45] one sec [02:46] jeffesquivel: 2010-03-28 20:45:44: (network.c.345) can't bind to port: :: 80 Address already in use [02:49] CBebop, really strange [02:49] I know =/ [02:49] CBebop, what about lsof -i :80 ? [02:50] Woa [02:50] rtorrent 1369 cbebop 146u IPv4 24225 0t0 TCP 192.168.1.141:56440->180.190.169.26:www (ESTABLISHED) [02:50] That shouldnt be using that port at all [02:50] I wrote the config file myself [02:52] Killed rtorrent, re-ran the lsof command with no response and still port 80 lock from lighttpd startting [02:52] CBebop, yep, that seemed like an a connection to a remote 80 port [02:52] not the local one [02:52] Ahh [02:53] CBebop: are you sure you don [02:53] That would make sense, a tracker connection [02:53] 't have a rogue apache or something? [02:53] Apache shouldnt be running, I disabled it on start (Ubuntu installed it when i upgraded from 9.04) [02:53] its not in the process list at all [02:54] CBebop, could it be that you have the port used but on ipv6? [02:54] Maybe, inadvertantly [02:55] let me double check for ipv6 stuff in lighttpd [02:55] CBebop, I just read that lighthttpd first binds to port 80 on ipv4 and then on ipv6 addresses [02:55] CBebop, it may bind correctly on the first and then fail on the other one... and the error is the same [02:57] I removed ipv6 from the config file and it started fine from the init.d script. I wonder why it just suddenly broke. Must have been an update to ligttpd that I missed. [02:57] CBebop, so it is working now/ [02:57] ? [02:57] I should pay closer attention. THank you very much for your help jeffesquivel and FireCrotch_ [02:57] Yeah [02:57] Binds ipv4 just fine [02:57] CBebop, ok, great... I was running out of ideas here, he he :-) === FireCrotch_ is now known as FireCrotch [02:58] Must be a bug in the updated version from repositories [02:58] that could be my only guess [02:59] CBebop, yep... if you get to the root of the problem, and it applies, please file a bug [02:59] well, gotta go... bbl === jasonb_ is now known as jasonb [03:37] hi there somebody know any free software do do backup from windows/mac clients in a linux samba server? [03:38] Roxyhart0: mac has native backup support [03:39] and you can store them on samba servers by turning on a setting in the time machine prefs [03:39] mmm...i will chek it...thanks [03:40] windows has a backup solution too. there is/was a backup program [03:40] but you will have to setup scheduling [03:40] yes, i just was wondering if there are any free software client/server [03:42] !info bacula [03:42] bacula (source: bacula): network backup, recovery and verification - meta-package. In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.4-1ubuntu9 (karmic), package size 52 kB, installed size 96 kB [03:42] maybe [03:42] thanks a lot! i will check it [03:43] no problem [03:56] New bug: #550629 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.6 failed to install/upgrade: package samba-common is already installed and configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550629 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:14] hmmm [04:14] anyone here notice ldap is STILL broken in lucid? [04:15] glad to see no ones bothered to fix that in oh... 7 months since i reported the bug [04:15] Isn't that because it's an important bug? [04:15] yeah thats why it gets ignored :) [04:15] Whereas some gnome icon being misaligned by 2px gets priority #1 [04:15] but i bet if there was a problem with EC it'd get some attention [04:15] Ha [04:16] no offense, but this being an LTS release you'd think people would want to fix these server-related bugs [04:16] glad i'm not the only one who feels this way [04:16] told my ubuntu lucid box to use ldap and now i'm locked out [04:16] oh, and i cant even get into grub anymore because someone broke that too [04:16] I'm only using Ubuntu because 1) apparently, the customers ask for it by name; and 2) it's still better than CentOS. [04:16] so i had to boot off the damn CD [04:16] well, hardy LTS was pretty damn solid [04:17] had to backport a few things, but the general stuff worked [04:18] oh, apparently i dont get to see what happens when my machine boots anymore... instead i get some splash screen which runs at what feels like 9600 baud on a framebuffer device :/ [04:19] There's apparently this "plymouth" crap that tries to start X during boot or something [04:20] yep [04:20] i tried removing it... and bad things happened [04:20] none of the standard methods i know to turn my console back to 80x25 acually work [04:20] either it gets ignored or it doesnt boot [04:22] Oh, because it's loading vga16fb [04:22] I had that problem, too. In the end I removed the video card and used serial [04:23] It's REALLY annoying, because on my hardware all it does is switch from an 80x25 I can read to an 80x30 I can't. [04:25] twb: heh [04:25] glad someone else here is feeling the love [04:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/423252 [04:25] Launchpad bug 423252 in sudo "NSS using LDAP on Karmic breaks 'su' and 'sudo'" [Unknown,Confirmed] [04:25] theres my bug... reported before karmic was released [04:26] Sam-I-Am: use "files ldap" not "ldap compat". [04:26] Sam-I-Am: does the problem magically go away? [04:29] twb: ldap needs to be first... [04:29] Sam-I-Am: why? [04:29] so root can be in ldap [04:29] Oh, I missed that point. [04:29] yeah, security policy says centrally managed root accounts... except for an 'emergency' password [04:30] I'm amazed that *ever* worked [04:30] wasnt a problem until karmic [04:31] and even then i can log in as root fine, its just none of my users can use sudo or su [04:31] Have you taken this upstream, to Debian? [04:31] so if you dont enable your root account in ubuntu before configuring ldap, you lock yourself out [04:31] debian doesnt seem broken [04:32] OK, so what is different between Debian and Ubuntu wrt. nss or sudo? [04:32] i... wish i knew [04:32] You can find out from the PTS pages [04:32] best i can tell this is a regression problem with whatever version of glibc ubuntu uses [04:32] e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sudo.html [04:32] yeah, i dont think this is sudo specific [04:32] At the bottom of the page is an "ubuntu" section with a link to the diffs [04:33] Sam-I-Am: so check nss the same way [04:33] since the error message comes out of the kernel [04:33] or something deep within [04:33] Where's the kernel message there? [04:34] this thing... [04:34] setreuid(ROOT_UID, user_uid): Operation not permitted [04:34] is something very deep in the OS [04:34] since su gets the same error [04:34] Um, that's not a kernel message (as in printk/dmesg) [04:34] so not really kernel, but definitely base libraries [04:35] yeh [04:35] setreuid(2) is a system call [04:35] yeah, thats what i meant [04:35] so anything that uses it gets bonked [04:35] which is why i dont think its specifically sudo or su related [04:36] Is the UID of the root account in LDAP 0? [04:36] yes [04:36] and right now i dont even have a root account in ldap [04:36] for testing [04:36] Then I'd say you need to investigate pam, nss and/or libc. [04:37] i'm trying to get libnss-ldapd working here [04:37] which might eliminate nss [04:37] nss will still be needed, but if it works then you know the fault is in libnss-ldap [04:37] of course, i kinda hoped someone with a bit more experience than me with the ubuntu internals would have looked at this bug [04:37] You could also try #openldap for ideas [04:37] since it effectively renders lucid DOA for anyone with enterprise/centralized auth [04:38] Well, here we do not put root in ldap, because that would be stupid. [04:38] why? [04:38] It would mean that a network failure would turn into a boot failure [04:38] it should use the local account if ldap fails [04:38] thats how it works here [04:39] So you have *two* accounts with UID=0? [04:39] yep [04:39] Suggest you look at sash, which does something similar, but strictly within the flat files [04:40] See if it is broken, maybe [04:40] well, right now i have no root account in ldap [04:40] so theres only the local account [04:40] But yeah, the way I would do it would not be to have a root account with a password in LDAP, but rather to use ssh keys everywhere, with puppet to add/remove keys from /root/.ssh/authorized_keys [04:41] Sam-I-Am: is nscd installed? If so, it might be caching the LDAP account [04:41] puppet? [04:41] not using nscd [04:41] it causes other problems in general [04:41] Sam-I-Am: nod. [04:42] Psi-Jack-: cfengine NIHd by ruby wankers [04:42] although people have reported its a 'workaround' [04:42] Sam-I-Am: I think they're on acid [04:42] Installing nscd should BREAK things, not fix them. [04:42] yep [04:42] I suspect more likely is that they installed nscd and then broke it, but nscd kept it working for a little while [04:48] meh [04:52] Sam-I-Am: let me know if you figure it out [04:52] I'll probably be migrating to 10.04 in about three years :-/ [04:53] heh [04:56] apparently there is a debian bug for this... [04:57] getting the same level of attention [04:57] what'll be funny is if this is a glibc problem... and it eventually works its way into redhat [04:57] Sam-I-Am: what ticket number? [04:57] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545414 [04:57] Debian bug 545414 in sudo-ldap "sudo-ldap: sudo fails with "sudo: setreuid(ROOT_UID, user_uid): Operation not permitted" for ldap users" [Important,Open] [04:57] Sam-I-Am: Debian and Ubuntu run eglibc, which isn't glibc. [04:57] yeah my bad [04:58] * twb subscribes to that ticket via the command-line. [04:58] Pity nobody has ITPd those launchpad CLI tools to Debian yet. [04:59] twb: launchpadlib and ubuntu-dev-tools are in Debian. Which did you mean? [05:00] ScottK: hmm, maybe that happened since last I looked [05:00] ScottK: basically I want an exact equivalent to bts(1) for malone [05:00] twb: I'd love to have one of those too. I don't thin it exists. [05:00] thin/think [05:01] I'd particularly love bts show === MTecknology is now known as Z === Z is now known as MTecknology [05:08] I wrote one for roundup, which was fun. [05:18] Bug #123456 [05:18] Launchpad bug 123456 in xine-lib "podcast crashes amarok" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123456 [05:22] ScottK: do you need bts show -m, or just bts show? [05:22] bts show [05:23] http://paste.ubuntu.com/405677/ <-- barebones version [05:24] Probably even just a .bashrc of: mal () { ${BROWSER:-sensible-browser} https://launchpad.net/bugs/$1; } [05:24] Right. Seems like it'd be nice for ubuntu-dev-tools. [05:24] Eventually it should look something like http://code.haskell.org/~twb/ru/ru [05:25] There are a number of nice one liners in there. [05:26] I haven't bothered because it's easier to reproduce problems on Debian and use reportbug and bts. [05:34] Right, I want it more for when I see a bug number somewhere but don't want to fire up a browser and manually hunt through the LP U/I. [05:44] ScottK: so what should it do, if not fire up your browser? [05:44] twb: It does. It's just an easy way to fire it up going directly to the right URL without having to deal with navigatin LP or remembering the URL pattern. [05:46] ScottK: OK, no worries. [05:48] Ugh, ubuntu-dev-tools doesn't have manpages for some/all of its binaries. [05:49] Haha, and ubuntu-iso crashes when I try to call it with --help, because genisoimage isn't installed :-) [05:49] the fun never ends :) [05:53] why does the lucid installer, when creating a software raid, create a separate /boot that is not on the raid? [05:55] osmosis: there's a guided install option for software raid now? [05:55] twb, not part of guided partitioning, but it does have it in the installer without having to drop to the CLI. Its part of the "manual partitioning" option. [05:56] Um, manual partitioning is manual. [05:56] It shouldn't be doing anything you don't tell it to [06:10] twb, yah i see. it was guided LVM. not raid. [06:12] osmosis: the bottom line is that bootloaders historically have trouble with LVM and md RAID (except RAID1). [06:12] Even now, it is flaky to do it. [06:23] twb, i might create a 4 disk raid1 for /boot and then a 4 disk raid10 for root [06:26] osmosis: what, are you hosting a database? [06:27] twb, nah, just for fun. to push the limits. some qcow2 files [06:27] Otherwise, s/raid10/raid5/ and that's what I do. [06:27] 256MB RAID1 /boot, everything else is a RAID5 LVM, and then allocate 2 or 4GiB to /, $bignum for /home, and leave the rest of LVM unallocated. [06:28] twb, actually testing the concept in a virtual machine with 4 virtio disks [06:28] 4 qcow2 files to make a raid10 === Edgan_ is now known as Edgan [06:57] hi, which is the official ubuntu way to have HA? [07:02] New bug: #531409 in vmbuilder "vmbuilder xen ubuntu completely borked" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531409 [07:04] jeffesquivel: what does the ubuntu-serverguide say abuot it? [07:06] twb, sorry... asked to quickly, already on the Ubuntu's HA Team wiki, thanks anyway :-) [07:07] sometimes I just get excited about a topic and ask before doing my reading, he he [07:47] could anyone plz help me with installing a headless torrent (client) on 10.04 server ebox.1.5 [07:48] im really kind of Lost, [07:49] headless, or GUI-less? [07:50] webgui [07:50] Last time I looked rtorrent was an acceptable bittorrent client, with an ncurses UI. [07:52] Ichat: searching aptitude for tags "bittorrent" and "web" turns up torrentflux. [07:52] its a home-server kind of system, no monitor, all goes via ebox (or webmin), the problem is, that for whatever reason, [07:53] when i install transmission daemon (has a webui), i cant get it to work outside of localhost. [07:54] Ichat: that's probably because transmission doesn't listen to anything but localhost by default, for security reasons. [07:54] Ichat: find transmision's configuration file, and change that. [07:55] in previous versions i had to change its config.json in /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json but now there is a settings file in /etc/t ......mon/settings.json and in home/username/.config/settings.json and in one other place [07:56] the problem is, what is the real file and what is not [07:57] than i tried to change, its setup params in /etc/default/transmission-daemon to load a config-dir param but it just plainly ignored that [07:58] same prob with 8.04 9.10 [07:59] and i have no clue to what im doing wrong [08:01] I don't use bittorrent, so I can't help you [08:03] :) i wish i didn't either :$ [08:03] but its realy usefull for sharing lage files (sutch as renderings (3d pictures) [08:08] If you say so [08:08] If it was strictly between two peers, I'd use socat or scp. [08:34] New bug: #545384 in autofs (main) "automatic mounting of removable devices doesn't work in KDE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545384 [08:36] I'll say this for Ubuntu: it's not SLES. [08:50] Hurray for the Solaris 10 license change. Makes justifying Ubuntu *much* easier. [08:57] :) [09:16] Omahn: What license change? [09:22] andol: solaris 10 could be downloaded for free. oracle now changed the license, so you need to buy a support contract from them in order to use solaris 10. otherwise you need to delete it after 90 days [09:23] Is sol10 the same as opensol10? [09:23] twb: no [09:23] What's the difference? [09:24] twb: http://blogs.sun.com/jimlaurent/entry/faq_difference_between_opensolaris_solaris [09:24] Thank you. [09:26] Looks to be a similar breakdown to RHEL vs. Fedora. [09:26] twb: basically yes [09:27] I'd go insane without dpkg/apt and a GNU userland. [09:28] That and the QA from debian-policy/lintian/debbugs [09:29] joschi: got a link to oracles announcement ? [09:29] twb: there is nexenta, but it might be terrible, I don't know anyone that has used it in anger. [09:30] I'm not touching nexenta until the dpkg and nexenta people settle their differences. [09:30] If it was actually Debian GNU/kSol, I'd certainly try it. [09:30] lifeless: http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17 [09:30] lifeless: "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software. " [09:31] lifeless: http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1120 [09:32] joschi: thanks [09:35] New bug: #550749 in samba (main) "package samba-common-bin 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.6 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 2 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550749 === sourcode_ is now known as sourcode [10:08] morning === swift__ is now known as swift [10:37] hi [10:41] hi all. this cloud thing, is that a replacement for general virtualization? if so, what does it use? kvm? [10:53] RoyK: no [10:53] Cromulent, no what? [10:54] no it isn't a replacement for general virtualisation [10:57] RoyK: cloud computing is a NIH reinvention of some of plan 9's functionality :-) [10:57] Cromulent, then what is it, really? I don't get it... [10:58] RoyK: it's a way to rent time on big iron, like you used to do back in the 60s. The only difference is that now it's an HPC cluster instead of an actual big iron. [10:59] RoyK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing [10:59] well, it sounds like virtualisation to me [10:59] I've read that [11:00] RoyK: it leverages virtualization, but for a different goal. [11:00] If you have one server and one VM, it would be meaningless to deploy cloud infrastructure. [11:01] The point of cloud computing is when you have >>1 hardware node and >>1 VM. [11:01] well, of course :) [11:02] I was just thinking if cloud in-house computing could be a neat replacement for something like XenServer [11:02] we have like five machines with 30 VMs [11:03] That really depends on whether the benefit of load balancing VMs across the HNs is worth the hassle of configuring it. [11:03] sorry, what's HNs? [11:04] hardware nodes [11:04] ok [11:04] how to get the uuid of a device ? [11:04] The things with the wires and electrickery. [11:04] can ubuntu clouds failover a VM from one HN to another? [11:04] maxagaz: udev has a thingy [11:04] RoyK: that's the *point* of a cloud [11:04] k [11:05] RoyK: without that, it'd just be virtualization [11:05] so what is it using for virtualisation? kvm? [11:05] RoyK: [11:05] RoyK: NFI. Probably whatever you want. [11:06] the real benefit of clouds hasn't yet been realised on ubuntu yet imo which is having instances span multiple hardware nodes [11:07] twb, udevadm info --query=all doesn't work [11:08] Cromulent, I guess you'll need a pretty cool infiniband network in the back for that to be efficient [11:09] for example, how to get the uuid of all my device ? [11:09] like, sda1 uuid, sda2 uuid... [11:09] RoyK: not really it just makes development of distributed applications somewhat simpler - if you present the resources to the application as one machine yet have the distribution handled in the background [11:09] twb, ok, I found this : blkid [11:10] most computationally heavy distributed apps work over the internet currently anyway [11:11] its just removing the setup from the application developer and putting it in the OS developers hands / cloud layer developers hands [11:11] that is why you have technologies such as OpenMP [11:11] or MPI rather [11:12] what does the last '2' means in fstab: "/dev/sdb1 /mnt/extra ext3 defaults 0 2" ? [11:13] * RoyK throws maxagaz a "man fstab" [11:18] hm. ic. is it possible to have redundant cloud controllers as well? [11:21] probably - I don't run my own cloud though so you'll be best off waiting for someone else to confirm - it would seem like a large oversight to not allow them though if you ask me [11:33] how can i set my server's hostname permanently? [11:38] nucc1, change it on /etc/hostname then on /etc/hosts then $ sudo hostname new_hostname [11:39] I have a question regarding EBS. If I have use a Ubuntu EBS Boot AMI, i.e. the root disk is EBS based, do I incur the IO charges for EBS just for using that instance too? or is this applicable only to EBS volumes mounted on a running instance? === swift_ is now known as swift [11:48] jeffesquivel, thanks [11:50] nucc1, no problem [12:09] i think i somehow unistalled part of ssh server, cant connect to the remote machine, any solutions other than calling the main admin? [12:10] bronto2, do you have any other remote access service (telnet, vnc, etc.) ? [12:11] jeffesquivel, is there something thats enabled by default on ubuntu-server? (only ftp is working) [12:11] bronto2, don't think so [12:11] jeffesquivel, are you familiar with postfix? [12:11] bronto2, are you sure you messed up your ssh? or could it be that your current ip is being blocked by something like fail2ban or denyhosts? [12:12] ok, now if i have to mail the main admin, what is the command to reinstall the entire ssh thingy? [12:12] nucc1, it has been a long time since I had to admin a postfix server [12:12] nucc1, why? [12:12] jeffesquivel, i belive its ssh proble, this is intranet [12:12] jeffesquivel, my problem may be in postfix, or it may be dns. let me explain. [12:12] *problem [12:13] bronto2, ok then [12:13] jeffesquivel, i have a domain hosted on a shared hosting platform, and a linode node to which there is an A-record pointing to a web app running there. [12:13] sudo apt-get remove ssh && sudo apt-get install ssh should fox things? [12:13] *fix [12:14] jeffesquivel, the problem is this: when the linode instance tries to send a message to addresses on the shared-hosted domain, it gets rejected with "sender verification failed" [12:14] jeffesquivel, would it help if i told you the domain and subdomain? [12:15] bronto2, you can try sudo apt-get --reinstall install ssh [12:16] jeffesquivel, thanks [12:16] bronto2, no problem [12:16] nucc1, any more information on what type of verification? [12:17] sender verification [12:17] i can paste the log [12:17] nucc1, I mean, IIRC there are several methods to do sender verification [12:17] nucc1, ok [12:18] jeffesquivel, lemme pm you the link [12:22] nucc1, hmm... let me see if I understand correctly [12:22] nucc1, you have a web app installed on the same server as your postfix [12:22] yes. [12:22] nucc1, and you want your webapp to be able to send e-mail msgs [12:23] it sends the messages alright. [12:23] jeffesquivel, the setup is like this [12:23] the main website is on domain.com [12:23] the webapp is on a linode virtual server: node.domain.com [12:23] when the web app tries to send email to an address@domain.com , the email gets rejected [12:24] jeffesquivel, for the reason in the log. [12:24] jeffesquivel, other email servers seem to work fine. i've tested Yahoo and Gmail. [12:25] nucc1, I see... [12:26] nucc1, well the error message you are receiving (550) usually means that the user you are trying to send mail to doesn't exist (at least not on that domain) [12:26] jeffesquivel, i think it says that the user I am sending the mail as cannot be verified [12:27] and for the life of me, i don't know how to make my postfix instance reply acknowledge the verification requests [12:27] nucc1, well... you see the part where it says: "550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command" [12:28] RCPT TO is the SMTP command which defines the recipient not the sender [12:28] nucc1, you're getting bounced when you specify when you want to send the message to not when you say who you want to send it as [12:29] quick question, for how long will the 9.10 server release be supported? [12:29] merlijn-, 18 months, i guess [12:29] s/when you want/who you want/ [12:29] 18 months? desktop even gets 2 years [12:30] merlijn-, lts releases are the ones that get 2 years. [12:30] merlijn-, that is, 8.04, 10.04 [12:30] lts server get 5 years [12:30] I found that here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [12:31] jeffesquivel, is it possible that the domain.com mail server rejects the email with a false message? cos the addresses exist. [12:31] i just sent my gmail address an email with the same postfix config. [12:33] jeffesquivel, also, i get confused where it says "status verification failed for root@..." cos that is the user I am sending the email as [12:34] merlijn-, lts releases get 5 years, non-lts releases get 18 months. [12:36] nucc1, hmm... I just read a little bit more about that error message [12:36] nucc1, it is also used to deny relay access [12:37] jeffesquivel, i don't know why it tries to relay... [12:37] nucc1, which means, the machine your sending the mail to thinks you want to use it as a relay server and is bouncing you [12:37] jeffesquivel, is what you read on the net? [12:37] nucc1, yes... [12:38] where's the link? [12:38] jeffesquivel, does that mean that i'm effectively hopeless? [12:39] nucc1, http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/kb/1593hq.html [12:39] nucc1, don't think so... gimme a sec [12:43] nucc1, [12:43] I just tried to do the same thing your server is doing but manually (telnet to port 25) [12:43] yea [12:43] this is the message I get [12:43] 550-Message rejected because (vertex.tellantservices.com) [201.191.183.183] is [12:43] 550 blacklisted. [12:43] whew! [12:43] but now, that's my IP [12:43] you should try from your server to see if that's the case for your IP too [12:44] most probably, it is [12:44]