[00:18] <xiainx> ctrk + F2
[00:18] <xiainx> oh he left
[00:38] <homebrewcider> genii, you there?
[01:49] <sandra_> hello channel
[01:49] <sandra_> anyone know whether gnome-do runs in xfce?
[01:52] <Aquina> Can someone help me with Launchpad question #105229 (Shells) or #97888 (NSS)?
[01:52] <gottto> sandra_:  http://linuxchronicles.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/xubuntu-9-04-x64-screenshot-with-gnome-dos-docky/   would suggest yes
[01:59] <gottto> Aquina: can you provide a link?
[02:00] <Aquina> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/105229
[02:01] <Aquina> https://answers.launchpad.net/xulrunner/+question/97888
[02:01] <Aquina> :-)
[02:01] <gottto> k
[02:02] <Aquina> I hope you can help me. These questions are not the ones an average Xubuntu user asks.
[02:02] <gottto> Aquina: you could remove those shells from /etc/shells - but why would you want to?
[02:04] <Aquina> To keep the system consistant.
[02:04] <gottto> Aquina: and you must be missing a package if those links have been set up but point to nothing - what package idk...
[02:04] <Aquina> Which brings me to the question wether there are other locations refering to not installed shells.
[02:05] <gottto> Aquina: those lines are there for people that do install those shells - they use no resources tho
[02:05] <Aquina> They actually point to nothing. I verified it with apt-cache, dpkg and via manual filesystem search.
[02:06] <Aquina> ok
[02:06] <Aquina> So this is of no concern.
[02:06] <gottto> none at all
[02:07] <Aquina> Have you read the nss-link-problem (question 97888)?
[02:07] <gottto> Aquina: and you must be missing a package if those links have been set up but point to nothing - what package idk...
[02:07] <gottto> ^^
[02:07] <Aquina> idk?
[02:08] <Aquina> What do you mean by that?
[02:08] <gottto> I Don't Know = idk
[02:08] <Aquina> :-)
[02:08] <gottto> hehe
[02:08] <Aquina> Ok I will further investigate this...
[02:09] <gottto> luck
[02:10] <Aquina> In case http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/etcshells.html is correct...
[02:11] <Aquina> ...it have to worry since the system actively uses that file.
[02:11] <Aquina> "Applications use this file to determine whether a shell is valid"
[02:11] <Aquina> "[..] whether an unprivileged user may change the login shell for her own account."
[02:13] <Aquina> It seems that chsh obeys shells in /etc/shells.
[02:16] <gottto> Aquina: I don't even have a xulrunner folder in /usr/includes so it shouldn't matter much
[02:17] <Aquina> :)
[02:50] <Aquina> cu
[06:01] <lifestream> Hi. Anyone using global-menu in XFCE? I have a quick favor to ask
[06:04] <lifestream> Hi. Anyone using global-menu in XFCE? If so, can you pastebin your /home/username/xfce/panel/xfapplet-xxxxxx file?
[06:04] <lifestream> Oh, sorry
[06:41] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu.
[08:03] <Sysi> sorry, i need to test one thing with bot
[08:04] <Sysi> !gdm2
[08:04] <Sysi> why it doesn't know..
[08:04] <gottto> you should do   /msg ubottu !gdm
[08:04] <Sysi> it didn't work
[08:05] <Sysi> i can't find info about gdm2
[08:05] <gottto> it doesn't know about gdm
[08:05] <Sysi> google don't know either
[08:05] <Sysi> i've seen info page about that, has it disappeared?
[08:06] <gottto> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Administration/GDM2-Setup-53621.shtml
[08:07] <Sysi> gdm2setup failed, i'd like to edit config manually, but there isn't
[08:07] <Sysi> *any* instructions
[08:09] <Sysi> this is so frustrating
[08:16] <gottto> Sysi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8294939&postcount=1
[08:17] <Sysi> no :/
[08:17] <Sysi> it shouldn't matter much but i'm on lucid
[08:17] <Sysi> i'd need instructions for editing configuration file
[08:18] <gottto> !lucid
[08:18] <gottto> Sysi: ^^
[08:18] <Sysi> i know
[08:19] <Sysi> but same gdm, i can't find instructions for karmic either
[08:19] <gottto> that link was for karmic...
[08:19] <Sysi> not what i'm looking for
[08:19] <gottto> k
[08:20] <Sysi> one line is on many ansvers, i could try if that would be a workaround
[08:20] <gottto> try editting /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[08:21] <Sysi> for that i'm searching for info :)
[08:21] <Sysi> because there need to add things
[08:23] <Sysi> i might hit it..
[08:24] <gottto> I'm old school and don't use a *dm
[09:30] <titan_ark> hi, i was planning to reinstall my linux boot. i was once suggested to make separate partitions for /boot and/home etc. i do not remember how, could someone point me  to where i can fidn this info
[09:31] <titan_ark> i was planning to reinstall my linux boot. i was once suggested to make separate partitions for /boot and/home etc. i do not remember how, could someone point me  to where i can fidn this info
[09:33] <ablomen> titan_ark, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PartitioningSchemes
[09:35] <titan_ark> ablomen, thank you. well i have the general idea, i guess the other partition from the logical drive should be /home
[09:37] <ablomen> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?chap=4&part=1 << this is a much better link btw
[09:39] <Sysi> usually only separate /home is useful
[09:47] <TheSheep> Sysi: separate /boot makes sense in some cases -- when you can't boot from your /
[10:33] <null> hello, is there anyone here who would help me?
[10:34] <gottto> here you just ask and take your chance :)
[10:34] <null> ok
[10:34] <null> I just installed xubuntu x64 about three times, and i made sure to double check that grub got installed to /dev/sda3
[10:35] <gottto> why there?
[10:35] <null> well, it seems to throw up an error of grub_getcharwidth not found
[10:35] <null> i have a macbook pro with the efi partition, then osx, then xubuntu
[10:36] <null> it works with the 10.04 of xubuntu and regular flavor ubuntu
[10:36] <null> but i decided to go back to the stable release because i don't think i'm ready for debugging kernel crashes and such after the kernel crashed during resume from hibernate on lid shut
[10:38] <gottto> I dunno about that - maybe someone else does
[10:39] <null> ok, thanks for your time. everyone else seems to be asleep here. I'll head to #ubuntu
[10:40] <_Techie_> he seemed nice, too bad i couldnt help him
[10:41] <_Techie_> pity i only have eperience with linux on the old PPC based macs
[13:14] <unley> genii, you there?
[13:28] <unley> can someone help. the other day genii had me uncomment a couple of lines in  the file /etc/pam.d/gdm to allow me to login, it worked for a day, now problem has returned, i pastebinned file again, has something gone awry?
[13:29] <TheSheep> unley: we need the url to see it
[13:29] <unley> http://pastebin.org/127746
[13:30] <TheSheep> what's the error you are getting?
[13:30] <unley> a failed login, returns to login screen
[13:30] <unley> over and over again
[13:32] <TheSheep> anything relevant in logs?
[13:32] <TheSheep> like /var/log/auth.log
[13:34] <unley> http://pastebin.org/127759
[13:34] <unley> that's /var/log/auth.log from before it failed again
[13:35] <TheSheep> unley: do you have xfce4-session installed?
[13:36] <unley> honestly, I have no idea
[13:36] <unley> how do I find out?
[13:36] <TheSheep> apt-cache policy xfce4-session
[13:37] <unley> that is a command to run?
[13:37] <TheSheep> yes
[13:37] <unley> 4.6..1-1
[13:37] <unley> 4.6.1-1
[13:38] <unley> 4.6.1-1ubuntu2
[13:38] <TheSheep> which version of xubuntu is it and did you change something except for that pam file?
[13:38] <unley> 9.10 and no
[13:38] <unley> just that
[13:39] <TheSheep> and it didn't work right after install?
[13:39] <TheSheep> until you changed that'
[13:39] <unley> worked perfectly for a day
[13:39] <unley> then back to "usual"
[13:40] <TheSheep> but before that pam file change
[13:40] <unley> as is now, failed logins
[13:40] <unley> over and over
[13:40] <TheSheep> since the beginning, or did it break one day?
[13:41] <TheSheep> I'm trying to get to the real source of the problem
[13:41] <unley> got progressively worse, 3 attempts here, 2 next, 10 next, all over the place, and finally friday, gone
[13:42] <TheSheep> maybe it wasn't changing pam that fixed it, but something else, for example restarting gdm?
[13:42] <unley> I have no idea
[13:42] <unley> but it's stuffed again now
[13:42] <TheSheep> anything in .xsessionerrors?
[13:42] <TheSheep> in your ~
[13:44] <unley> http://pastebin.org/127765
[13:45] <unley> seems to be a few references to gnome
[13:45] <unley> in there
[13:46] <TheSheep> make sure you have gnome-keyring-daemon installed
[13:47] <unley> gnome-keyring 2.28.1 is showing in synaptic
[13:48] <TheSheep> what happens when you run 'gnome-keyring-daemon' in terminal?
[13:49] <unley> http://pastebin.org/127767
[13:50] <TheSheep> that looks correct
[13:51] <TheSheep> does the file /tmp/keyring-Bvw7vc/socket exist?
[13:52] <unley> yes
[13:52] <unley> shows as 0b
[14:00] <TheSheep> unley: that's ok
[14:01] <TheSheep> unley: did you try to uncomment those lines in pam?
[14:03] <unley> I uncommented the lines I was advised to last night
[14:03] <unley> there's still a number uncommented
[14:05] <unley> I think a line is missing from last night though
[14:06] <unley> 2 actually, I may be wrong though
[14:06] <unley> I uncommented 4 lines, those are still there
[14:09] <unley> can hardly stay awake here, it's been a long day and it's 23:39 here
[14:09] <unley> if I keep going, I'm gonna make a typo that's gonna screw everything up
[14:09] <unley> I'll try again on it tomorrow
[14:10] <unley> TheSheep, thanks for all your help
[14:51]  * genii sips
[14:53] <genii> TheSheep: I was in the middle of trying to narrow down his issue earlier, had him comment out the gnome-keyring and selinux entries to see if it was some case of auth falling through to something that finally worked.
[14:53] <genii> ( unley )
[14:54] <TheSheep> would be nice to have some way of seeing what gdm actually does
[14:55] <genii> Yes.
[15:02] <genii> TheSheep: According to http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/2.29/gdm.html setting Enable=true in a [debug] section of /etc/gdm/custom.conf  will add it's debug into to /var/log/messages
[15:53] <xubuntu046> Hello everyone! I am installing Xubuntu 10.04 beta 1 at the moment, but it's stuck at installing grub2 for long time (more 10 minutes). Can someone help me? Thank you very much.
[15:57] <gottto> where did you ask for it to install?
[15:58] <xubuntu046> I am not sure. I followed the gui guide. Now it installed 93%, but stuck here for a long time. It's says installing grub2.
[15:59] <xubuntu046> Maybe it's downloadning from the internet or something? I saw the installer was downloading stuff 15 minutes ago.
[16:00] <gottto> it might pay to ask in #ubuntu+1
[16:00] <xubuntu046> And now because I can connect to the net, so my net connection is not the problem.
[16:04] <xubuntu046> Ok thanks
[20:30] <nikolam> ubuntu op is a moron
[20:30] <daniskami> oh come on, nikolam
[20:30] <daniskami> Why are you even here?
[20:30] <nikolam> they have some damd bot that sends messages now
[20:31] <nikolam> daniskami, not your problem, m key
[20:31] <nikolam> i use xubuntu
[20:31] <nikolam> whats problem
[20:31] <nikolam> and yes, ubuntu op is a moron
[20:31] <daniskami> I don't really want to discuss that with you. There is a bot in #ubuntu which sends you messages when you violate the channel policy. You ignored it, your problem.
[20:31] <nikolam> daniskami, well, problem is i violeted nothing
[20:32] <nikolam> daniskami, and its not my problem, anyway
[20:32] <daniskami> You did. End of discussion.
[20:32] <nikolam> daniskami, stop falling me from channel to channel
[20:32] <nikolam> daniskami, i did not and ubuntu op is a moron
[20:33] <daniskami> nikolam: If you don't want to get banned here as well, stop it now.
[20:33] <nikolam> daniskami, you stop it
[20:33] <Sysi> you should ask from irc council about problems
[20:33] <TheSheep> nikolam: is that a reason to flood the channel with offtopic discussion? I'm really not interested in what you think about any ops.
[20:33] <nikolam> well no problem as i see it
[20:34] <nikolam> ok TheSheep , fair.
[20:39] <Traveler12> Hello. Someone knows why there isn't any data on Xubuntu 10.04 in the official website? I wanted to know about the new LTS Xubuntu, but only contains information on Karmic. In addition, would like to know if there is any forum specialized in Xubuntu, because xubuntuforums.org is no more. Thanks in advance for any info. Expecting Lucid Lynx.
[20:40] <TheSheep> !lucid
[20:40] <TheSheep> Traveler12: that should get you started ^
[20:40] <Sysi> only info propably is release schedule and upcoming changes
[20:42] <TheSheep> there are laso release notes on the particular pre-releases
[20:42] <Traveler12> ok, thx
[21:07] <fun2learngnu> Has anyone run into the problem where upon startup Xubuntu no longer displays menu on the desktop?
[21:08] <fun2learngnu> This happened on another computer that I was running Xubuntu on, and now this one.  I didn't do anything different the last time I shutdown the computer.
[21:13] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: do you mean the desktop right-click menu?
[21:14] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier: Hello.  I mean the normal menu items such as Applications Places that is normally at the top and the show desktop icon at the bottom
[21:15] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: ah, you mean the panel. Is the whole panel gone or just the items?
[21:29] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: Did you solve it or are the panels still gone?
[21:54] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier:  The panel is gone.
[21:55] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: try pressing Alt-F2 and enter the following in the box: xfce4-panel
[21:56] <fun2learngnu> schlaftier:  That totally worked! :-)   What do you think caused it to turn off?
[21:57] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: I am not sure. Maybe it crashed in your last session. Xfce (the desktop environment of Xubuntu) saves the list of running applications in order to restore it when you reboot
[21:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> The panel has crashed for me before
[21:58] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier:  Is there a file I can edit to add the panel to, or will a restart from this point on remember that I want the panel "on"?
[21:59] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: it should remember it, unless you uncheck the option "Save session for future logins" in the Logout dialogue
[22:00] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier: Thank you very much!
[22:01] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: you're welcome, good luck
[22:06] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: By the way, if you are interested in which applications are auto-loaded with your session, have a look in the Xubuntu Menu -> Settings -> Session and Startup
[22:07] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier:   I will check it right now.   Thank you.
[22:07] <schlaftier> under "Session" you will find the applications currently running, and it will tell you that these are automatically started in your next session. xfce4-panel should be among them
[22:10] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier:  I see xfce4-panel there(under session tab), it says "Immediately"  under Restart Style
[22:11] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: that's okay, it means it should automatically restart when it crashes
[22:15] <fun2learngnu> schlaftier:  Just noticed that when I click the exit door in the upper right corner the "save session for future logins is checked"  but on the "Sessions and Startup" panel under the "General" tab, "Automatically save sessions on logout" is NOT checked.    Should it be?
[22:16] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: It need not be. If "automatically" is checked, it will not prompt you and always save which is the same thing as if "save session" is checked in the exit dialogue
[22:17] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: as long as you save this session, the panel should be there again in your next session
[22:18] <fun2learngnu>  schlaftier:  Ok cool.    I will restart and see what happens.
[22:18] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: sure
[22:20] <schlaftier> actually, you don't need to reboot, just log out and in again
[22:30] <fun2learngnu> It worked!  Thank you very much!
[22:34] <schlaftier> fun2learngnu: you're welcome, I hope you are enjoying Xubuntu as much as I do
[22:35] <schlaftier> (I like your nickname, by the way)
[22:39] <ckarsen> hello
[22:39] <ckarsen> hello
[22:39] <ckarsen> please
[22:39] <ckarsen> I need help
[22:39] <ckarsen> ayuda
[22:39] <ckarsen> por favorr
[22:39] <fun2learngnu> schlaftier: Thank you!  I am enjoying Xubuntu very much.  I am running it at work on an old Pentium III that had Windows 2000Pro on it.  I added RAM up to its max (512).  Sometime last year Windows 2000 had some security problem that apparently wasn't fixable.  At that time I re[laced it with Xubuntu.   It has been great!
[22:40] <schlaftier> ckarsen: Try to describe your problem and ask an actual question
[22:40] <ckarsen> I just now instaled UBUNTU on a pentium III... it seems to work after some failures in the bios configuration but now I need help
[22:41] <ckarsen> it starts well.. it get me asked mine username and password
[22:41] <ckarsen> but i go no furter
[22:41] <ckarsen> I remain in the terminal
[22:41] <ckarsen> how I accede to the windows emulation
[22:41] <ckarsen> ?
[22:42] <ckarsen> I can write down commands
[22:42] <ckarsen> and mine password is OK
[22:42] <ckarsen> but I can not accede to the intuituve screen
[22:42] <schlaftier> ckarsen: what happens when you type: startxfce4
[22:43] <ckarsen> command not found
[22:43] <ckarsen> sorry
[22:43] <ckarsen> sudo apt-get install xfce4-utils
[22:43] <schlaftier> ckarsen: wait a second
[22:44] <ckarsen> should I do that?
[22:44] <ckarsen> yes please.. I wait
[22:44] <schlaftier> ckarsen: this is #xubuntu. Do you have Xubuntu or the usual Ubuntu?
[22:44] <ckarsen> ububtu 9.10
[22:44] <ckarsen> from ubuntu.com
[22:45] <schlaftier> try: startx
[22:45] <ckarsen> yes, something is happening
[22:45] <ckarsen> yes
[22:45] <ckarsen> yes
[22:45] <ckarsen> I'm in
[22:45] <ckarsen> no
[22:45] <ckarsen> no
[22:45] <schlaftier> And also, ask in the channel #ubuntu since this is a channel about a special variant of Ubuntu based on the Xfce Desktop Environment, not GNOME as in ordinary Ubuntu
[22:45] <ckarsen> closing log
[22:45] <schlaftier> ok, get the log and ask in #ubuntu
[22:46] <schlaftier> there are more people, chances are better for you there
[22:46] <ckarsen> shut down error setting MTRR
[22:46] <ckarsen> ok, I try to go there
[22:46] <schlaftier> ckarsen: /join #ubuntu
[22:47] <ckarsen> what you recommend?
[22:47] <ckarsen> reinstall?
[22:47] <schlaftier> no, put the log into a pastebin and show it so we can see what's wrong
[22:49] <schlaftier> ckarsen: for the moment, you can also try: sudo service gdm start
[23:00] <ckarsen> help please... I get error setting MTRR
[23:01] <ckarsen> open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory
[23:13] <ckarsen> Thank you friend very much.. as I told, will try to reinstall.. if it is not working I'll come back tomorrow... THANK YOU
[23:14] <fun2learngnu> Oh wow. What did I miss?
[23:23] <schlaftier> uhm, ckarsen also asked for help in #ubuntu and got answers there, however he didn't supply error logs so in the end nobody could help