rgreeningIm here apachelogger. Im big enuff for 4 peeps :)00:00
* claydoh is at work, so will only be monitoring00:01
apacheloggernixternal: the idea is to specifically locate areas where ko leaks behind, in cooperation with upstream so that they have feedback to hold on to and we have some idea how far ko is away from becoming default00:05
nixternalapachelogger: roger that, I would like to work on that with you00:05
nixternalI have to go though00:05
* apachelogger kisses nixternal goodbye00:06
* Tm_T huggles DarkwingDuck00:09
DarkwingDuckOkay, one milestone marked00:12
Tm_TDarkwingDuck: cloak next (that's easy now)00:12
DarkwingDuckCloak? childs play... I'm trying to port to alt universes so I can work 24/700:13
Tm_TI've been trying to do that last couple centuries00:14
DarkwingDuckI can get there... getting the others back here was a bit harder00:15
* Tm_T huggles shtylman too00:15
apacheloggershtylman, DarkwingDuck: you both are accepted into kubuntu-members, usual membership benefits should become available in a couple of days00:16
shtylmanapachelogger: noted :)00:16
DarkwingDuckthanks apachelogger00:16
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting :: Welcome DarkwingDuck and shtylman to the family \o/
=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you come any further on the akonadi stuff btw?00:47
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: still need to file a bug against mysql00:47
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: know what exactly needs splitting?00:47
apacheloggerbut it is quite some stuff00:48
apacheloggerat least 3 scripts + a couple of sql files00:48
lex79JontheEchidna: I use droid too :)00:57
Tm_TNightrose: sleep well01:03
* apachelogger uses droid on the netbook and liberation on the laptop01:06
apacheloggerdroid looks kinda weird on large screens IMHO ^^01:06
apacheloggerkubotu: identica update live from meeting: !kubuntu 10.04 will be using liberation as default font01:07
kubotustatus updated01:07
JontheEchidnahow do I set my identica up with kubotu?01:08
apacheloggerkubotu: help identica01:08
kubotuidentica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)01:08
apacheloggeridentica identify [username] [password]01:08
apacheloggerin a query :P01:08
JontheEchidnakubotu: identica update Yay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw01:10
kubotustatus updated01:10
apacheloggerScottK: choqok is not on the netbook image?01:10
JontheEchidnakubotu: identica status jontheechidna01:10
kubotuYay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw (2 minutes and 13 seconds ago via rbot)01:10
apacheloggerblogilo also shoudl go there01:10
ScottKapachelogger: It should be.  Was it added to kubuntu-desktop instead of kubuntu-common?01:12
apacheloggerScottK: dunno, it was not on my installation from a couple of days ago01:12
apacheloggerno rdepends at all01:12
ryanakcaorder apachelogger a cookie01:14
ryanakcakubotu: order apachelogger a cookie01:15
* kubotu slides apachelogger a cookie down the bar to ryanakca01:15
ryanakcaThere :P01:15
ScottKapachelogger: It's not in desktop either01:16
JontheEchidnaIt's only 326k; we have the space01:17
apacheloggerI am not sure we want it on the desktop TBH01:17
* apachelogger could live without it on the desktop ;)01:17
ScottKDoesn't the plasmoid provide enough?01:18
Riddellchoqok is only on the dvd because there is already the plasmoid01:18
apacheloggerScottK: I find it a bit of a PITA to use the plasmoid on the netbook, since the windows are all fullscreen01:18
txwikingerIs it a feature that we have an ubuntu flash screen in Kubuntu?01:18
ScottKapachelogger: Well you can add it to the newspaper01:18
JontheEchidnaUbuntu flash screen?01:19
ScottKtxwikinger: We shouldn't since yesterday01:19
keffie_jayxto report a bug in plasma-netbook the package is kdebase-workspace?01:19
apacheloggerScottK: yeah, but still involves that I switch to the newspaper01:19
ScottKkeffie_jayx: Yes01:19
ScottKapachelogger: Well that's what it's meant to be used for.01:19
neversfeldeRiddell, markey: The crash on startup fix should be also available for karmic01:19
apacheloggermaybe it is just me, but I mostly jump between apps and the launcher01:19
txwikingerScottK: ok I will try to upgrade then01:19
apacheloggerScottK: well, in that case only blogilo needs to be added01:19
apacheloggerbecause that can not be done via a plasmoid :P01:20
ScottKI'm fine with that if it's already in Main.01:20
apacheloggershould be, I think it is part of kdepim nowadays01:20
ScottKIt is01:20
apachelogger!info blogilo lucid01:20
apacheloggerScottK: if you have time, please added it :)01:20
ScottKBut not all binaries are necessarily in Main01:20
* apachelogger cant push due to lack of keys01:20
ubottublogilo (source: kdepim): KDE SC blogging client. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.4.1a-0ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 318 kB, installed size 1044 kB01:21
apacheloggerScottK: yeah, but it is only a matter of promotion, isnt it?01:21
apacheloggersince the source is in main anyway01:21
ScottKRiddell: Do you mind a binary promotion to put blogilo on the netbook image?01:21
ScottKAs long as Riddell ack's it, I'm fine with it.01:21
JontheEchidnaRiddell: oh, have I showed you my strigi patches? http://pastebin.com/4mVSd76g01:23
JontheEchidnahmm, forgot to document the "tray icon is always in the hidden area of the tray" bit01:25
JontheEchidnain debian/changelog01:25
RiddellScottK: fine with me01:25
JontheEchidnaplus I guess I'll need to update things for 4.4.201:25
RiddellJontheEchidna: they seem good.  you should get upstream to ack them in line with our patch policy01:27
RiddellJontheEchidna: should I upload for beta 2?01:27
JontheEchidnaRiddell: they'd probably be ok with at least the RAM detection bit, but would we want to go against their wishes for the notifications bit for the sake of usability, if they disagree with hiding most of the notifications?01:28
RiddellJontheEchidna: if we felt strongly we could, yes, but we should at least ask them for an opinion01:29
JontheEchidnak, I'll ping trueg01:29
Riddellthe patch policy was your idea was it not? :)01:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: IMHO the always hiding is a bit drastical01:30
apacheloggerI think it would suffice to create a timeout01:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: but the tray icon is always jumping about from hiding to the active place in the tray, very distracting01:30
apacheloggerso you would only see that beasty if scan is taking longer than say 10 seconds01:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that is the point, it is notifying you of its activity :P01:31
JontheEchidnaI don't really care about its activity, and I'm sure most of our normal usecase won't either01:31
apacheloggerit just doesnt need to do so if it only scans one file for one second01:31
apacheloggerbut if it is scanning for a considerable amount of time it makes sense to give feedback, so a user knows why the system is slow01:32
JontheEchidnahmm, you have a point01:32
JontheEchidnaI'd maybe bump it to not change to Active for at least 30 seconds, though01:32
JontheEchidnamaybe 2001:32
apacheloggeralso I suppose there should be a minimum show time of 10 seconds01:33
apacheloggerthat also helps with preventing too much jumping01:33
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I don't think the patch policy says that we have to get approval for every patch, but on a cyclical basis lay out what we have01:33
apacheloggerbecause otherwise you might show it after 20 seconds and after 23 it is done scanning and jumpyness is appearing all over again01:33
* apachelogger thinks this minimum-timeout should be implemented in the kstatusnotifieritem itself really01:34
apacheloggertechnically any app could cause that jumpyness and in neihter case it is a good thing01:35
JontheEchidnathough with a behavior change like that I suppose it would be curteous to let upstream know, in case of bugreports for the change01:35
apacheloggerit should be changed upstream anyway :P01:36
apacheloggercause the implementation is broken01:36
JontheEchidnathe RAM detection patch could potentially go upstream, but it is a bit non-cross-platform, plus relies on the distributor placing a custom config key in the nepomukserverrc (if it's not there, it's totally safe too)01:37
JontheEchidnaI stole some of the ram detection code from plasma-desktop, and it had a crapton of ifdef's for freebsd, mac, win and the like01:38
ScottKapachelogger: Seeded.  Just need Riddell to promote it now so we can update kubuntu-meta.01:39
=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh
apacheloggerScottK: thanks01:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I suppose it needs some ifdefs then ;)01:39
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: plus porting the relavent bits from plasma, sorta bleh01:40
apacheloggerplasma :P01:40
JontheEchidnaakonadi/kdepim haxX0ring is worse01:41
JontheEchidnaI can not for the life of me figure out how to make the kres migrator stop from running on startup *on a clean machine*01:42
RiddellScottK: promoted01:42
JontheEchidnaapparently some of its default resources are created as old resources that need migrating to akonadi resources :/01:42
apacheloggerbug 55123701:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551237 in kubuntu-default-settings "[kubuntu]the artwork of boot, login and desktop must be coherents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55123701:43
apacheloggerwe should make the plymouth theme use the kde default wallpaper01:43
JontheEchidnaAside from crowding the first startup with a dialog, it starts the entire akonadi stack, wasting 30 MB RAM by default01:43
Riddellapachelogger: I'm told that doesn't work well01:43
apacheloggerand add such a box effect thingy as seen on kdm and ksplash01:43
=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh
apacheloggerRiddell: :(01:44
Riddellapachelogger: that's why ubuntu desktop uses a plain theme01:44
apacheloggerthen I must wontfix that bug I suppose01:44
Riddellkwwii would know the details01:44
apacheloggerwell, plymouth only works in 16bit on nvidia binary drivers I have read01:44
apacheloggerso that might be the problem01:44
JontheEchidnathat bug conflicts with the one about it looking crap on nvidia01:44
JontheEchidnaplymouth dudes say our theme should be 16bit friendly01:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no, it just implies that we make the kde desktop ugly :P01:45
JontheEchidnabug 55129001:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551290 in kubuntu-default-settings "[lucid] Kubuntu theme on nvidia card too ugly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55129001:45
apacheloggerhow does osx do it btw?01:45
apacheloggerkubotu: topic restore01:45
=== kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 1 released! | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | String freeze in effect - change a GUI item without nixternal's approval and lose a finger! | Meeting Monday 23:00UTC
Riddellby having dedicated hardware01:45
geniiMaybe because default framebuffer is 16?01:45
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 1 released! | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | String freeze in effect - change a GUI item without nixternal's approval and lose a finger! | Welcome DarkwingDuck and shtylman to the family \o/
apacheloggerRiddell: I mean are they coherent at all?01:46
apacheloggerIIRC they have that grey boot splash with the apple and a circle01:46
RiddellI haven't used os X in years01:46
* apachelogger thinks they dont have a different logins splash though01:46
apacheloggeralso we cant carry the plymouth theme to the ksplash because it is way too dark in comparisin with kde artwork ... so either we switch all artwork or none at all :(01:47
lex79genii: yes01:48
DarkwingDuckgenii: after that fix you game me... Now I'm having the problem you were. It's just flashing the bootsplash for a split second01:49
apacheloggerbug 53851201:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538512 in kubuntu-default-settings "Preconfigure font rendering settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53851201:49
apacheloggershouldn that be done on some lowlevel thing anyway?01:49
apacheloggerthat "system" setting referred there must be coming from somewhere01:49
geniiDarkwingDuck: Whats weird is, it worked great for me for a while, but after last dist-upgrade is back to the bootup/shutdown brief flash (but at least now at right resolution)01:50
DarkwingDuckgenii: Yeah, it did fix the resolution problem for grub for me.01:51
DarkwingDuckWhen I get my desktop setup this weekend with the nvidea card I'll lok deeper at it01:52
DarkwingDuckYAY I get the keys to my house on Wednesday01:52
DarkwingDuckI think I'm going to design a Kubuntu-Devel t-shirt... Something like... "Yeah it's my fault" on the back and the Kubuntu logo on the front01:54
DarkwingDuckgenii: the other strange thing is my shutdown is just fine. it's only bootup that is messed up01:56
geniiDarkwingDuck: Same here right now01:57
DarkwingDuckgenii: 64bit?01:57
geniiDarkwingDuck: Yes01:58
DarkwingDuckgenii: not here... Hmmm...01:58
geniiDarkwingDuck: Linux acer64 2.6.32-18-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 26 21:13:44 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux01:59
apacheloggerkubotu: order captain02:00
* kubotu adds Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and cola in a ice-filled pint glass, garnishes with a lime. Arrrr yer captain co-ho-hola apachelogger! But watch out that the captain doesn't let the apprentice navigate...02:00
apacheloggerkubotu: cheers!02:00
DarkwingDuckgenii: ahhhh crap. I have not used that command in forever... my mind just shot me02:00
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!02:00
* genii contemplates pointy-clicky Mirc lovers02:01
* apachelogger scratches head02:03
apacheloggermirc is the cool02:03
apacheloggerit can everything02:03
shtylmanso what was the decision of the logo talks of 2010?02:04
macoat least for beta202:04
DarkwingDuckI miss mirc actually02:04
macothen see what people think02:04
DarkwingDuckI liked 8... except now I have to change some stuff around a bit02:05
* apachelogger doesnt get that freetype stuff02:06
shtylmanDarkwingDuck: what do you have to change?02:06
DarkwingDuckshtylman: Stickers... mug... tattoos (kidding)02:07
DarkwingDuckAlthough... a kubuntu tattoo would be fun. Wife might kill me though02:07
* maco is learning how to do python docs02:08
DarkwingDuckI'm working on my sleeve.. i'll toss it in there somewhere.02:08
apacheloggermaco: that sounds dirty02:08
shtylmannixternal: you gonna update the plymouth theme for beta2 ?02:08
apacheloggermaco: _very_02:08
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: +102:09
macoapachelogger: :P im a python noob. i'm making those """comments""" and reading the python doc styleguide to see how they like them to look02:09
apacheloggerreal programmers use doxygen :P02:09
DarkwingDuckshtylman: I think nixternal is going to freak about it... He complains that he isn't a graphics guys02:09
* apachelogger start singing02:10
* DarkwingDuck stabs apachelogger. doxygen02:10
shtylmanalright... I will help him out then :)02:10
DarkwingDuckI used to lack when I was a kid with photoshop... have not played with gimp so much02:10
apacheloggernothings like good old doxygen mess ^^02:11
macoapachelogger: doxygen's docs tell me that doxygen can use python """ comments just fine02:12
* apachelogger notes that austrian radio still comes with bad music and switches to flogging molly's latest album02:13
apacheloggermaco: that is no excuse to use that silly  """ thing though :P02:13
macoapachelogger: it also makes help(foo) work02:13
apacheloggerlet me rephrase my statement02:13
macoi checked in kdeedu and the other python apps in there use """ not ##02:14
apacheloggerreal programmers use doxygen and don't use python :P02:14
DarkwingDuckIt's all about PERL02:14
apacheloggeror lisp02:14
apacheloggeror intel asm02:14
apacheloggertoy asm is silly though ... http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/10468.html ;)02:16
macoi only know mips asm02:16
DarkwingDucka gui using qbasic :D02:16
macook im sitting in the library, and there's a group of people sitting in a circle talking loudly02:16
DarkwingDuckGo slap them02:16
apacheloggermaco: why are people in a library just to play their windows startup sound02:16
apacheloggermy theory is02:17
apacheloggerbecause they can02:17
* apachelogger is now always starting his kubuntu in uber loud mode while sitting in a lecture ^^02:17
macoright well i'm gonna go catch the train home02:17
apacheloggerthat said, I came to notice that the kde login and logout sounds are way too long02:17
DarkwingDuckI used to have my computer say "Good morning Dave..."02:18
apacheloggerboth windows and mac have very short ones02:18
apacheloggerours is like02:18
apachelogger"hello how are you"02:18
apacheloggerand theirs is like02:18
apacheloggerour shutdown sound is like02:18
apachelogger"good bye, I hope to see you again soon"02:18
apacheloggerand theirs is like02:18
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: that is the ultimate approach to this anyway ^^02:19
* apachelogger starts singing again02:20
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: But of course. I wonder if ppl would freak if we changed the name of Kubuntu to SkyNET02:20
JontheEchidnaMy dad doesn't like the KDE startup sound. He says it sounds too much like Windows02:21
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: /whois kubotu02:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: he last used windows 98 or something? :P02:21
nixternalcongrats DarkwingDuck and shtylman02:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I liked the old kubuntu startup sound02:21
nixternalwhich logo was selected? Riddell gimme a logo and I will create a new plymouth screen for it02:21
apacheloggervery nice one IMHO02:21
apacheloggershutdown sounds arerather pointless IMHO02:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: something like that. He's been using unix since the late 80's02:21
apacheloggerhow did he end up with lunix?02:22
JontheEchidnaKDE looked the most like CDE at the time :P02:22
DarkwingDuckThanks nixternal. #8 was the choise02:22
nixternalgotta link for the images again?02:22
apacheloggeraccording to some assignment we handed in on wednesday I am currently running Ubuntu Lunix - Python Edition ^^02:22
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ?? kubotu?02:22
apacheloggerI sure do hope no one will ever read that02:22
* genii is bothered by the term "lunix" since it's an actual distribution, for old Commodore 6402:22
nixternalgenii: you are old, i loved lunix02:23
apacheloggerthe logo of that distro is the crap though02:23
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: yes02:23
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geniinixternal: I admit, i am ancient.02:23
apacheloggernot to me you stupid robot!02:23
kubotuDarkwingDuck: hi!02:24
apacheloggermore like it02:24
geniiHehe kubotu seems to have a mind of their own02:24
DarkwingDuckOkay, someone is going have to point me to a page with these commands02:24
nixternalok, got the images... /me looks02:24
nixternalbah, that one i didn't like02:24
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: what commands?02:24
DarkwingDuckwhat do I do with kubotu now?02:25
* DarkwingDuck is sooo lost with bots02:25
apacheloggerhug it, pet it, feed it, dunno02:25
nixternaloh...no #8 is ok...i just can't count02:25
DarkwingDucknixternal: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logos.png02:25
nixternal#1 was my fav02:25
apacheloggernixternal: same urly with .svg is an svg02:25
nixternali had a plymouth boot with #1 that looked good too02:25
apacheloggernot a psd, even though one might think so02:25
DarkwingDuckI liked #8 actually02:26
* nixternal gets to creating a new plymouth theme02:26
apacheloggerkubotu: praise nixternal02:26
* kubotu slaps nixternal heartily on the back02:26
DarkwingDucknixternal: Make this one work please? :P02:26
apacheloggerkubotu: lart DarkwingDuck02:26
* kubotu whacks DarkwingDuck with the cluebat02:26
nixternalDarkwingDuck: get a real computer02:26
nixternalomg, lart! you freakin' mirc lover02:27
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!02:27
nixternaloh, that one doesn't work anymore02:27
nixternaldamn that hobbsee02:27
nixternalI miss hobbsee02:27
apacheloggerubottu: silly robot, stop querying me :P02:27
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DarkwingDuckubottu: Get a life02:28
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* kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?02:28
apacheloggerI really dunno :P02:28
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* kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?02:28
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DarkwingDuckLOL genii This is the problem wit being a doc guy.02:44
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apacheloggerhelp uno02:46
apacheloggerkubotu: help uno02:46
kubotuUNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to02:46
kubotuselect Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.02:46
DarkwingDuckkubotu: pl r202:46
kubotuyou can't play that card02:46
DarkwingDuckkubotu: pl b302:46
kubotuyou can't play that card02:46
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: do you even have those cards? :P02:47
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:47
JontheEchidnahrm, interesting02:47
jjessekubotu ca02:47
kubotuDarkwingDuck: 7, apachelogger: 7, jjesse: 7, genii: 7, JontheEchidna: 702:47
DarkwingDuckpl b302:47
kubotuyou can't play that card02:47
kubotuCurrent discard:  Blue +202:48
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards02:48
jjessekubotu: cd02:48
kubotuCurrent discard:  Blue +202:48
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards02:48
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: you can only play another + or you need to pick02:48
DarkwingDuckright... and I have a blue 302:48
apacheloggerpe is the way to go I suppose02:48
jjesseDarkwingDuck: that's not a a draw 2 card02:48
jjessekubotu: pe02:48
kubotuIt's not your turn02:48
DarkwingDuckahhh... NM02:48
kubotuDarkwingDuck passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!02:48
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn02:48
apacheloggerpl g+202:48
kubotuapachelogger plays  Green +202:48
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards02:48
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:48
jjessepl g302:49
kubotuyou can't play that card02:49
kubotujjesse passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!02:49
kubotuit's genii's turn02:49
geniikubotu: pl g+702:49
kubotuyou don't have that card02:49
apacheloggerbtw, it is a good idea to use quassel's chat monitor and limit it to kubotu's query, so you dont need to switch to the query to see your cards :)02:49
apacheloggergenii: without +02:49
apacheloggergreen 7 = g702:49
geniikubotu: pl g702:49
kubotugenii plays  Green 702:49
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn02:49
kubotuJontheEchidna picks a card02:50
kubotuJontheEchidna passes turn02:50
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:50
DarkwingDuckpl grs02:50
kubotuwhat cards were that again?02:50
DarkwingDuckpl gs02:50
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Green Skip02:50
kubotuapachelogger skips a turn!02:50
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:50
apacheloggerkubotu: lart DarkwingDuck02:50
* kubotu makes DarkwingDuck watch reruns of "Blue's Clues"02:50
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green Skip02:51
jjessepl gr302:51
kubotuwhat cards were that again?02:51
geniiapachelogger: No kubotu update after you play a card stating your current cards minus the one you just played02:51
jjessepl g302:51
kubotujjesse plays  Green 302:51
kubotuit's genii's turn02:51
apacheloggergenii: nope, only when its your turn again02:51
geniikubotu: pl gr02:51
kubotugenii plays  Green Reverse02:51
kubotuPlaying order was reversed!02:51
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:51
apacheloggerkubotu: order cookie for JontheEchidna02:52
* kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.02:52
* JontheEchidna noms02:52
jjessepl br02:52
kubotujjesse plays  Blue Reverse02:52
kubotuPlaying order was reversed!02:52
kubotuit's genii's turn02:52
apacheloggeroh my02:52
geniipl b902:52
kubotugenii plays  Blue 902:52
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn02:52
JontheEchidnapl b102:52
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Blue 102:52
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:52
DarkwingDuckpl b302:53
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Blue 302:53
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn02:53
apacheloggerplay blue 402:53
apacheloggerpl b402:53
kubotuapachelogger plays  Blue 402:53
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:53
jjessepl y402:53
kubotujjesse plays  Yellow 402:53
kubotuit's genii's turn02:53
geniipl y502:54
kubotugenii plays  Yellow 502:54
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn02:54
JontheEchidnapl y7r702:54
kubotuyou can't play that card02:54
JontheEchidnapl y702:54
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Yellow 702:54
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:54
DarkwingDuckpl y902:54
JontheEchidnaoh wellz, was worth a shot02:54
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Yellow 902:54
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn02:54
apacheloggeryellow is a silly color02:54
apacheloggerpl y102:54
kubotuapachelogger plays  Yellow 102:54
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:54
kubotujjesse picks a card02:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: doesnt that only work with the very same card?02:55
jjessepl y802:55
kubotujjesse plays  Yellow 802:55
kubotuit's genii's turn02:55
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: i.e. is allowed02:55
geniipl y102:55
kubotugenii plays  Yellow 102:55
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn02:55
JontheEchidnayeah, I guess. I've seen tons of different UNO rules irl02:55
kubotuCurrent discard:  Yellow 102:55
kubotuJontheEchidna picks a card02:55
apacheloggerbecause no one reads them properly :P02:55
kubotuJontheEchidna passes turn02:55
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:55
apacheloggerhelp uno rules02:55
apacheloggerkubotu: help uno rules02:55
kubotuplay all your cards, one at a time, by matching either the color or the value of the currently discarded card. cards with special effects: Skip (next player skips a turn), Reverse (reverses the playing order), +2 (next player has to take 2 cards). Wilds can be played on any card, and you must specify the color for the next card. Wild +4 also forces the next player to take 4 cards, but it can only be played if you can't02:55
kubotuplay a color card. you can play another +2 or +4 card on a +2 card, and a +4 on a +4, forcing the first player who can't play one to pick the cumulative sum of all cards. you can also play a Reverse on a +2 or +4, bouncing the effect back to the previous player (that now comes next).02:55
DarkwingDuckpl g102:55
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Green 102:55
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn02:55
apacheloggerwho is next?02:56
apacheloggerkubotu: help uno02:56
kubotuUNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to02:56
kubotuselect Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.02:56
kubotuThis UNO! game has been going on for 11 minutes and 19 seconds02:56
DarkwingDuckgenii: what up?02:56
geniino, apachelogger02:56
genii"who is next" etc02:56
kubotuUNO! playing turn: apachelogger jjesse genii JontheEchidna DarkwingDuck02:56
JontheEchidnahmm, thought there was a scoring thing...02:56
apacheloggerwlel, I like jjesse :P02:56
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green 102:57
apacheloggerpl g402:57
kubotuapachelogger plays  Green 402:57
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:57
kubotujjesse: 6, genii: 2, JontheEchidna: 7, DarkwingDuck: 5, apachelogger: 302:57
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green 402:57
kubotujjesse picks a card02:57
kubotujjesse passes turn02:57
kubotuit's genii's turn02:57
* apachelogger sings float 02:57
geniipl w+4 g02:58
kubotugenii plays  Wild +402:58
kubotugenii has UNO!!02:58
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards02:58
kubotucolor is now  Green02:58
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn02:58
apacheloggerkubotu: np02:58
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Float" by Flogging Molly [http://open.spotify.com/track/6CCXU7qAZqFcRgtXHutLgM] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more02:58
kubotuJontheEchidna passes turn, and has to pick 4 cards!02:58
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn02:58
kubotuCurrent discard:  Wild +4   Green02:58
jjesseouch 4 cards?02:58
jjessethat hurt02:58
kubotuDarkwingDuck: 5, apachelogger: 3, jjesse: 7, genii: 1, JontheEchidna: 1102:58
DarkwingDuckpl g802:58
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Green 802:58
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn02:58
apacheloggerbetter than 8 i suppose02:58
apacheloggerpl w+4 y02:59
kubotuapachelogger plays  Wild +402:59
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards02:59
kubotucolor is now  Yellow02:59
kubotuit's jjesse's turn02:59
kubotuCurrent discard:  Wild +4   Yellow02:59
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards02:59
kubotujjesse passes turn, and has to pick 4 cards!02:59
kubotuit's genii's turn02:59
geniipl w02:59
kubotugenii plays  Wild02:59
kubotuUNO! game finished after 14 minutes and 45 seconds! The winner is genii02:59
kubotuJontheEchidna still had  Blue 4   Blue 5   Blue 6   Red 2   Red 4   Red 5   Red 7   Red Reverse   Yellow 9   Yellow Reverse   Yellow Skip02:59
kubotuDarkwingDuck still had  Green 2   Green 5   Red 2   Red 402:59
kubotuapachelogger still had  Green Skip   Yellow 202:59
kubotujjesse still had  Blue 8   Green Reverse   Red 1   Red 3   Red 9   Red 9   Red Reverse   Red Skip   Wild   Wild +4   Yellow +202:59
kubotugenii wins with 347 points!02:59
apacheloggerkubotu: lart genii03:00
* kubotu gives genii a 2 guage Prince Albert03:00
* genii does a coffee-coffee-coffee dance03:00
jjessekubotu:  join03:00
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help join'03:00
jjessekubotu: help join03:00
kubotujoin <channel> [<key>] => join channel <channel> with secret key <key> if specified. kubotu also responds to invites if you have the required access level03:00
jjessekubotu: start uno03:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: kubuto uses ~03:00
jjessekubotu: uno03:00
kubotuOk, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in03:00
kubotuThere is already an UNO! game running here, managed by jjesse. say 'jo' to join in03:00
kubotuapachelogger joins this game of UNO!03:00
kubotujjesse joins this game of UNO!03:00
kubotugame will start in 20 seconds03:00
kubotuDarkwingDuck joins this game of UNO!03:00
kubotuJontheEchidna joins this game of UNO!03:00
kubotuUNO! playing turn: apachelogger jjesse DarkwingDuck JontheEchidna03:01
kubotuapachelogger deals the first card from the stock03:01
kubotuCurrent discard:  Yellow 203:01
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:01
jjessepl ys03:01
kubotujjesse plays  Yellow Skip03:01
kubotuDarkwingDuck skips a turn!03:01
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:01
kubotuCurrent discard:  Yellow Skip03:01
kubotuJontheEchidna picks a card03:01
kubotuJontheEchidna passes turn03:01
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:01
apacheloggeroh my03:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: want another try? :P03:01
apacheloggerpl yr :P03:02
kubotuwhat cards were that again?03:02
apacheloggerpl yr03:02
kubotuapachelogger plays  Yellow Reverse03:02
kubotuPlaying order was reversed!03:02
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:02
JontheEchidnapl gr03:02
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Green Reverse03:02
kubotuPlaying order was reversed!03:02
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:02
DarkwingDuckkubotu: lart apachelogger03:02
* kubotu replaces apachelogger's Astroglide with JB Weld03:02
apacheloggerpl g+203:02
kubotuapachelogger plays  Green +203:02
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards03:02
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:02
jjessepl gs03:02
kubotuyou can't play that card03:02
jjessepl g703:02
kubotuyou can't play that card03:02
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green +203:02
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards03:02
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green +203:02
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards03:02
DarkwingDuckdraw 203:02
jjessepl g703:02
kubotuyou can't play that card03:02
jjessei have a green card i want to play03:03
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: pe03:03
kubotujjesse passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!03:03
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:03
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green +203:03
apacheloggeroh :D03:03
DarkwingDuckpl g803:03
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Green 803:03
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:03
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: ??03:03
* apachelogger was off by one ;)03:03
JontheEchidnapl g+203:03
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Green +203:03
kubotunext player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards03:03
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:03
apacheloggeroh noes!03:03
kubotuapachelogger passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!03:03
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:03
apacheloggeroh noes!03:03
apacheloggerkubotu: np03:04
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Tobacco Island" by Flogging Molly [Within a Mile of Home, 2004] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4UQf1DAf1H7R7QmwZMFlfc] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more03:04
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green +203:04
jjessepl g503:04
kubotujjesse plays  Green 503:04
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:04
DarkwingDuckpl g603:04
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Green 603:04
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:04
JontheEchidnapl g003:04
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Green 003:04
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:04
JontheEchidnaI don't remember a 0 card03:04
apacheloggerpl w b03:04
kubotuapachelogger plays  Wild03:04
kubotucolor is now  Blue03:04
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:04
jjessepl b203:04
kubotujjesse plays  Blue 203:04
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:04
DarkwingDuckpl b303:05
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Blue 303:05
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:05
* apachelogger plays wild ;) ;) ;) ;)03:05
JontheEchidnapl b603:05
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Blue 603:05
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:05
apacheloggerpl b503:05
kubotuapachelogger plays  Blue 503:05
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:05
jjessepl b503:05
kubotujjesse plays  Blue 503:05
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:05
DarkwingDuckpl b803:05
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Blue 803:05
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:05
JontheEchidnapl b803:05
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Blue 803:05
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:05
apacheloggerpl b903:05
kubotuapachelogger plays  Blue 903:05
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:05
kubotuyou need to pick a card first03:05
kubotujjesse picks a card03:05
kubotujjesse passes turn03:06
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:06
kubotuCurrent discard:  Blue 903:06
DarkwingDuckpl r903:06
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Red 903:06
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:06
JontheEchidnapl r003:06
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Red 003:06
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:06
apacheloggerpl r103:06
kubotuapachelogger plays  Red 103:06
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:06
jjessepl r603:06
kubotujjesse plays  Red 603:06
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:06
DarkwingDuckpl r803:06
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Red 803:06
kubotuDarkwingDuck has UNO!!03:06
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:06
jjessedamn that DarkwingDuck03:06
JontheEchidnapl r803:06
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Red 803:06
kubotuJontheEchidna has UNO!!03:06
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:06
jjessedamn that apachelogger03:06
jjesseoh wait03:06
apacheloggerpl w g03:06
kubotuapachelogger plays  Wild03:06
kubotucolor is now  Green03:06
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:06
jjessedamn that JontheEchidna03:06
jjessepl gs03:07
kubotujjesse plays  Green Skip03:07
kubotuDarkwingDuck skips a turn!03:07
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:07
apacheloggerwe haz two youknow btw03:07
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green Skip03:07
kubotuJontheEchidna picks a card03:07
kubotuJontheEchidna passes turn03:07
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:07
kubotuCurrent discard:  Green Skip03:07
kubotuapachelogger: 2, jjesse: 4, DarkwingDuck: 1, JontheEchidna: 203:07
apacheloggerpl g103:07
kubotuapachelogger plays  Green 103:07
kubotuapachelogger has UNO!!03:07
kubotuit's jjesse's turn03:07
jjessepl g703:07
kubotujjesse plays  Green 703:07
kubotuit's DarkwingDuck's turn03:07
kubotuDarkwingDuck picks a card03:07
DarkwingDuckpl r703:07
kubotuDarkwingDuck plays  Red 703:07
kubotuDarkwingDuck has UNO!!03:07
kubotuit's JontheEchidna's turn03:07
kubotuJontheEchidna: 2, apachelogger: 1, jjesse: 3, DarkwingDuck: 103:08
JontheEchidnapl r503:08
kubotuJontheEchidna plays  Red 503:08
kubotuJontheEchidna has UNO!!03:08
kubotuit's apachelogger's turn03:08
apacheloggerpl y503:08
kubotuapachelogger plays  Yellow 503:08
kubotuUNO! game finished after 7 minutes and 13 seconds! The winner is apachelogger03:08
kubotujjesse still had  Green Skip   Red 3   Red Reverse03:08
kubotuDarkwingDuck still had  Yellow Skip03:08
kubotuJontheEchidna still had  Yellow +203:08
kubotuapachelogger wins with 83 points!03:08
DarkwingDuckOkay, off to bed.03:08
apacheloggernini DarkwingDuck03:08
DarkwingDuckI'll catch you lot tomorrow03:08
* genii sips03:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we should do a kubuntu uno championship some time?03:11
apacheloggerget canonical to sponsor some kubuntu gear for the winner03:11
ryanakcaWow, nice to see all the Kubuntu devs hard at work :D03:14
* apachelogger is hard at work :P03:14
geniiryanakca: I guess the idea is work hard, play harder... or so03:15
ryanakcahehe :D03:15
* JontheEchidna goes off to document what he has of libapt so far, doxygen ftw03:15
* apachelogger throws http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/ex1-sexy/API/html/classCharacter__coll__graph.png after JontheEchidna :P03:16
ScottKapachelogger: New kubuntu-meta uploaded.03:19
nixternalanyone know where I can get an svg with 'ubuntu' in the new font?03:20
nixternalneed to create the fake logo03:20
nixternalfyi, logo #8 isn't any better at smaller resolutions either03:20
jjessehow was the meeting today?03:21
nixternali was eating pizza, so i don't know...from the backlog, looked to be good03:21
nixternaldarkwingduck and shtylman are now members03:21
nixternalcongrats shtylman btw!03:21
jjessewhen aren't you eating pizza?03:21
jjesseyay shtylman03:21
jjessedid DarkWing get the +1 he needed?03:21
nixternalI live in Chicago, what else is there that is better than pizza, hot dogs, and italian beef?03:21
nixternalyes he did03:21
nixternalhe is also a committer now03:21
shtylmanthx :)03:21
nixternalmdke added him this morning or yesterday03:22
nixternali seriously suck at inkscape03:22
ScottKnixternal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=144201203:22
jjessewow can't believe what time it is03:22
nixternalScottK: damn, i was just looking at that thread and totally missed the svg there03:22
ScottKYou're welcome.03:23
apacheloggerScottK: thanks03:23
nixternallol, not the logo, looking for the text part :)03:23
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: IMHO strigi got some problems with the heap03:24
apacheloggerfrom what I saw from a quick browse through our reports there are mostly problems related to null pointers and the like :S03:24
nixternalhrmm, i just realized that ubuntu has reverted back to their old logo for plymouth03:25
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I forwarded 3 or so bugs to strigi in half an hour last month03:25
JontheEchidnaunique, of course ;-)03:25
apacheloggerone should rewrite it with proper mem management :P03:26
ScottKnixternal: http://frendhi.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/fall-in-love-in-new-ubuntu-logo/ has the text part.  It's a copy, but seems to look the same.03:27
nixternalthat's the site I was looking for...thanks again ScottK :)03:28
ScottKNo problem.03:28
apacheloggernixternal: is the text part not in the .svg?03:28
apacheloggerbug 530103 ... oh how I hate it03:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 530103 in konversation "Wrong keyname extraction from konversation.kcfg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53010303:28
nixternalJontheEchidna: heh, that plymouthd; plymouth --show-splash works like a champ on my laptop but not my desktop :)03:43
nixternalthe new logo doesn't scale well03:44
nixternalgonna try something else03:44
apacheloggerkubotu: np03:52
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "The Seven Deadly Sins" by Flogging Molly [Within a Mile of Home, 2004] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6eMrNkS35lx5uLkk6o0xwH] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more03:52
* apachelogger dances through the channel03:52
apacheloggerI think that bug from above is a left over03:53
nixternalthe logo part blurred weird03:54
nixternalthat doesn't look to bad03:59
ScottKMake it spin.03:59
nixternalI was thinking about that04:00
DarkwingDuckgarg, can't sleep04:14
DarkwingDucknixternal: ping04:16
ScottKYou think talking with nixternal will fix that?04:17
DarkwingDuckusally does :P04:17
DarkwingDuck5 min and I'm out04:17
ScottKRiddell: I just pushed some more changes to kdebase-workspace in bzr.  Didn't upload to ninjas because I'm not set up for it on this machine and it's too late for me to deal with it.04:18
nixternalheh, I am googling plymouth theming, and all of the damn links in google are news posts from other sites to my damn blog entry from yesterday04:39
nixternalonce i figure out this plymouth scripting, this theme will kick ass04:39
nixternalrotating logos ftw!04:39
DarkwingDuckkubotu googlefight nixternal DarkwingDuck04:40
kubotuDarkwingDuck (386,000) vs. nixternal (101,000) -- DarkwingDuck wins!04:40
nixternalthe sun rising behind the planet is a kick ass plymouth theme, but someone ruined it with the ubuntu logo :p04:40
nixternalthat is cheating04:40
nixternalkubotu googlefight 'Richard Johnson' 'David Wonderly'04:41
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight'04:41
nixternaldamn you!04:41
DarkwingDuckkubotu googlefight Wonderly Johnson04:41
kubotuJohnson (186,000,000) vs. Wonderly (70,700) -- Johnson wins!04:41
nixternalheh, another thing, according to these news sites, canonical has come up with a temporary plymouth theme for Kubuntu04:42
nixternalwtf is my pay check!?!?!04:42
nixternalyou haven't been around long enough to be ruined yet :D04:43
ScottKnixternal: I should get one too.  I approved it through New and did all the stuff to get it on the ISO.04:43
nixternali give you 6 more months04:43
nixternalScottK: we should create our own company04:43
DarkwingDuckAll your base inc?04:44
nixternalthere we go...why I didn't go with that in the first place is beyond me04:44
nixternalsee, we just made a canonical employee quit the channel04:44
nixternallubuntu stole my damn plymouth dots04:45
DarkwingDuckKanonical... I like that.04:45
DarkwingDuckstole? comeone nixternal... FOSS04:45
ScottKHe wants to be able to claim ignorance later when the supreme leader questions him.04:45
nixternalyou know it04:45
nixternalmy understanding is that according to some at canonical, "I am the community asshole"04:46
nixternalI figured they would be smarter than that, and that they would know that I am in fact the world-wide asshole04:46
* ScottK wasn't confused about that.04:47
nixternallast i checked you weren't at canonical :D04:48
ScottKNope.  Just saying....04:49
nixternalhahaha, awesome04:49
DarkwingDuckThat is really funny04:52
DarkwingDuckIf not a bit old04:52
nixternalholy shite, plymouth scripting is no joke04:53
nixternalimpressive...Kubuntu Plymouth theme is the top of Google without any customizations to google...that is customizations set to 'off'04:54
DarkwingDuckYou find an explination on plymouth scripting?04:55
nixternalfreedesktop.org's documentation...which is just wonderful...NOT!04:57
DarkwingDuckYou'll have to doc it when your finished :P:P04:58
nixternalyeah, once I know all the tricks of creating a kick ass plymouth theme, I don't want others to know and create cool stuff like us04:59
DarkwingDucknixternal: you were working on koffice for lucid right?04:59
nixternali will create it, then use a javascript compressor to really obfuscate it04:59
nixternalDarkwingDuck: yeah, that is all done and uploaded04:59
DarkwingDuckis there a working copy of Kivio with that?04:59
nixternalkoffice for i386 has built, the others are waiting for something04:59
DarkwingDuckThere is a copy of Kivio ava? Or just have to build it from source?05:00
nixternalkivio will be available I think in 2.2, not the 2.1 series, plus 2.1.2 is the last of the 2.1 series05:00
nixternalno idea05:00
DarkwingDuckYou know when 2.2 is scheduled to shoot?05:00
nixternalprobably towards the fall I would guess05:01
nixternalthey released a 2.2 beta or alpha already05:01
DarkwingDuckI had a question about it in #kubuntu so, I gave them that answer05:04
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: apidocs just for you: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/?view=log05:20
JontheEchidnag'night all05:38
DarkwingDucknight JontheEchidna05:38
* apachelogger shouldnt have done the running today06:21
kubotuapachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Tue Mar 30 07:28 CEST06:26
apacheloggerno point in going to bed now ^^06:26
* apachelogger tunes in gossip - heavy cross and starts cleaning06:27
nixternalwhew, killed my machine who knows how many times06:31
nixternaloooh, getting somewhere06:31
apacheloggernixternal: your server sends wrong mimetype06:37
nixternalwget it then06:38
nixternalchromium has no problem with it06:39
apacheloggeryeah, I opened it in some video player of course the netbook edition has all broken window management and thus nothing ever gets any focus at all06:40
nixternaltypos in plymouth will kill you06:41
apacheloggernixternal: how about not using a gradient in the background, but make it a hint of blue, then stuff the gear thingy into that06:41
apacheloggerwithout the blue circle around it06:41
apacheloggerIMHO less is more in this particular case06:41
nixternali was thinking of using the default wallpaper we have for the background too as an idea06:42
apacheloggerplymouth-- for killing people06:42
apacheloggernixternal: see bug report in kds I assigned to you06:42
nixternali did the blue background without a gradient, it is to much06:42
apacheloggerapparently some drivers fallback to 16bit colors06:42
apacheloggerso we cant do anything fancy06:42
apacheloggernixternal: well, a weaker blue you need06:42
apacheloggerin fact I even find it too strong with the gradient already06:43
apacheloggerIMHO it should really be barely noticable blue06:43
DarkwingDuckI agree.06:43
nixternalhow about just a black screen?06:43
apacheloggerpossibly gradient from black to black with a bit of a blue touch to it06:43
apacheloggernixternal: that is again too strong06:44
DarkwingDuckOr, a blue fade to black06:44
DarkwingDuckBlue like the Oxygen theme blue?06:44
nixternali will put up freakin' greatful dead colors and kill everyone06:44
nixternallike you can really tell the difference between 16 and 32 bit...at least i never could06:44
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: it would have to fade to a alpha blended blue really06:45
nixternalheh, how about a splash that has opensuse, fedora, arch, and the rest come in, and then have the kubuntu logo smash them all06:45
DarkwingDuckTrue ;)06:45
DarkwingDucknixternal: Love it06:45
nixternalhaha, or...06:45
* apachelogger aint is not going to stand in the way of control anyway :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ztFuNDrQE06:46
DarkwingDucknixternal: ++06:46
nixternalkubotu np06:46
kubotunixternal is listening to "Phantoms" by Raunchy [Death Pop Romance, 2006] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more06:46
nixternalhow the hell, that bastard is smart06:46
DarkwingDuckOkay, I'm crashing06:47
nixternalkubotu np06:47
kubotunixternal is listening to "One Last Breath" by Threat Signal [Under Reprisal, 2006] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0OU96dQGyVBUHMEk7GDGSt] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more06:47
nixternalkubotu np06:50
kubotunixternal is listening to "Swordmaster" by 3 Inches of Blood [http://open.spotify.com/track/1omjFaf9ziesfNWrHjcbhX] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more06:50
nixternalthat bot is fast06:50
apachelogger~praise kubotu06:52
* kubotu tickles kubotu06:52
apacheloggerpoor bot aint got no one to tickle him :(06:52
nixternali wish people with nvidia cards would smash their laptops06:53
nixternalI scratch my itch, not theirs06:53
nixternalapachelogger: that isn't 16 bit, that is 8bit06:54
apacheloggerI read 16 :P06:54
nixternalVGA16 == 16bit? or 16 colors?06:54
apacheloggerput two 8bit images ontop of each other you get 16 bit :P06:54
nixternalthat gradient is no problem at 8bit, since it is an 8bit gradient06:55
nixternalahh, well that sucks06:55
nixternalso we have to have a lame ass plymouth theme because people pay all that money for a graphics card that is equivalent to that of dolphin shit06:56
nixternaloh well, so much for a cool plymouth theme06:56
nixternalmaybe I will have plymouth-theme-kubuntu-lame and plymouth-theme-kubuntu-hahahaha-you-have-nvidia?-sucker!!!06:57
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bMXHgTVYTM seriously that hall looks way bigger than it is in RL06:57
nixternalso no, i need to figure out the rgb for a damn 16-color blue06:57
apacheloggernixternal: I told you, go for monochromi gear with very subtle gradient06:57
nixternaldude, that is either baby blue, royal blue, or url blue06:58
apacheloggerthen it is 8bit save and looks perfect06:58
nixternal8bit isn't 16 colors though06:58
nixternal8 bit would still look shitty on their weak ass expensive video cards06:58
apacheloggercant we haz two different themes?06:58
apacheloggersolid blue with monochrome white gear rotating for 8bit06:59
apacheloggerblack to blue gradient with monochrome whit egear rotating for sensible graphics cards06:59
nixternali say we do one, just a lame ass solid color from the 16 color scale06:59
apacheloggerI am sure you come up with something good :P06:59
nixternalI can't control the gradient though with plymouth, you have:  Window.SetBackgroundTopColor and Window.SetBackgroundBottomColor07:00
apacheloggerif it looks like crap on my devices i will switch to chakra :P07:00
nixternalit creates the gradient07:00
nixternalchakra is at least creating a cool plymouth theme and saying "FU" to those who whine07:00
apacheloggernixternal: so letz do the same07:00
nixternalwe can't, because people file a bug when their grandpa farts07:01
* apachelogger is good at closing bugs :P07:01
nixternalhahah, to bad slangasek already commented on it07:01
apacheloggerthat is no problem07:01
apachelogger"go fix driver" => wontfix for theme07:02
nixternallike losing 1 more user is going to do anything07:02
apacheloggeror "go make plymouth support different themes depend on driver support" => wontfix for theme07:02
nixternali asked slangasek in -devel to see what he says07:02
* apachelogger always found it silly that artwork needs to bend around technicaly crappyness07:02
nixternalhow the hell is aubergine working for people with nvidia then?07:03
nixternalthat definitely doesn't fall in the 16-color spectrum07:03
* apachelogger really doesnt see why plymouth cant support multiple themes :P07:04
apacheloggerthat is the most lame ass work around but that way those poor nvidia users mustnt see weird colors and those with proper drivers get a good looking splash07:05
nixternalhrmm, i am trying to create a gradient that will work with 16 colors...impossible07:06
nixternalyou will have faily large blocks of different colors, nothing smooth07:06
nixternalok, looks like keybuk is trying to figure out how to determine a theme if it is vga or drm07:13
nixternalif that gets situated, then we create a 16 color vga theme that just pokes fun at the use of nvidia drivers :)07:13
nixternalhttp://www.infotart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/windows_4bit_color_swatches.png  <- apachelogger there are the color choices for nvidia users :D07:20
apacheloggernixternal: why not display that picture?07:21
apacheloggerit looks rather fancy :P07:21
nixternalhow is that for a theme?07:34
apacheloggerme likes07:36
apacheloggerits something different07:36
apacheloggerthat makes me think that ubuntus should have a rocket with the dictator inside07:37
apacheloggerflying from the bottom left to the top right07:37
apacheloggerand if it's time for partition check the rocket would crash into a harddisk ;)07:38
nixternalI like that one dangit07:41
nixternalRiddell: ^^ ScottK ^^ JontheEchidna ^^ anyone else....though we have found out people with nvidia get a really crappy look with their super expensive VGA color palette07:42
shadeslayerapparently knetworkmanager refuses to work with normal priviliges on my PC08:12
shadeslayerkeeps disconnecting... now ive run it with kdesudo and it runs fine 0_o08:13
apacheloggernowrocking plasmoid breaks my netbook :(08:30
apacheloggermust be written in python for sure08:30
* shadeslayer gives apachelogger some tape08:30
kwwiidid someone want something from me?08:33
apacheloggerhai kwwii08:33
apacheloggerI think so, I just cant remember why ^^08:33
apacheloggermust have been either something related to logo change or font change08:33
shadeslayerwhere is the knetworkmanager configs stored?08:34
apacheloggerkwwii: we are talking about limitations of plymouth regarding colors and Riddell mentioned that you would know all the details :)08:35
apacheloggerwhere did nixternal go though?08:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: .kde/share/config/netw*08:35
* apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook is pretty usable when using raster as graphicssystem08:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: someone probably broke string freeze so hes off to chop fingers08:36
apacheloggeractually, I was getting an error that the "system" graphicssystem was not found08:36
apacheloggerI recon system is default, so maybe that incrdible slowness of plasma-netbook is because of that message08:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: always the same, no one ever listens when we warn them about nixternal :P08:37
apacheloggerplasma-netbook is almost snappy on the dell mini 10 here08:37
* apachelogger also tries the opengl system for the fun of it08:37
apacheloggernot much different from raster08:39
apacheloggerbesides that various tray apps have broken icons ^^08:39
kwwiiapachelogger: no limits, really08:41
kwwiiapachelogger: it is not like usplash anymore08:41
apacheloggerkwwii:  bug 55129008:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551290 in kubuntu-default-settings "[lucid] Kubuntu theme on nvidia card too ugly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55129008:42
apacheloggerwell, more like driver shortcomings I suppose08:42
shadeslayerMamarok: ping08:42
shadeslayerMamarok: got a reply from dragotin...08:42
kwwiiahhh, funky08:45
kwwiiwe did not make 16 color versions of the ubuntu stuff08:48
kwwiiso it will exhibit the same bug, I suppose08:48
shadeslayerkwwii: hmm.. so with the nvidia drivers we do not get the awesome splash stuff... too baad08:49
kwwiishadeslayer: yeah, but it is not our fault ;-)08:49
shadeslayerkwwii: yeah i know.. i really want 3D support in nouveau08:50
kwwiikms would be enough08:50
shadeslayerbut thats not gonna happen any time soon08:50
shadeslayerkwwii: yeah or kms in nvidia08:50
kwwiiright, and no it aint gonna happen08:51
apacheloggerwe could just fix the intel drivers proper and get on with our lifes :P08:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: :o08:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: does your plasma feel laggy?08:53
apacheloggertoo bad :P08:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: once in a blue moon,yes08:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: hehe08:53
* apachelogger is wondering whether we should make plasma use rater by default08:53
shadeslayeris there a nouveau package with 3d support?08:54
shadeslayeroohh : https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa08:56
shadeslayerkwwii: ^^ what do you think?08:57
shadeslayeri dont understand some of the stuff written there,but im prepared to have a borked system :P08:57
shadeslayerheh... im getting a speed of 700 kBps here :D09:11
apacheloggerwonderful weather today11:46
* apachelogger better goes for a walk11:46
Riddellapachelogger: a walk?  you mean outside?  without internet connection?11:48
Riddellavant garde to say the least11:49
Tm_Tofcourse he has his phone with him, so he can comment in irc & identi.ca12:02
Tm_T"I saw a real tree, no not in TV but in _outside_ !!1"12:03
* Tm_T hides12:03
Riddellwhat does everyone have in ~/.kde/share/config/freespacenotifierrc ?12:05
JontheEchidnano such file or directory12:06
Tonio_same with me, no such file12:13
Riddellok thanks12:17
JontheEchidnaIt's 4 degrees C and raining here :(12:22
JontheEchidnaoh well, off to class12:22
* Tonio_ is on his 30th attempt to fix the cursor breakage in qt4-x11...12:42
jussi01Tonio_: good luck :)12:44
Riddellcursor breakage?12:44
Tonio_Riddell: that drag and drop thing12:45
RiddellI going to start uploading 4.4.2 to lucid13:03
rgreeningRiddell: if you like. Remember to upload kdelibs dead last. I still am reviewing packages.13:04
Riddellapachelogger: able to do your kde-l10n thing?13:05
Tm_TTonio_: drag and drop thing?13:09
rgreeningRiddell: are you uploading from bzr or from PPA?13:09
rgreeningbzr's are not always matching PPA, and I am having to fix periodically (minor things).13:10
Tonio_Tm_T: when you drag and drop from example in dolphin13:12
Tonio_Tm_T: look at the cursor13:12
rgreeningRiddell: the correct would be to upload from bzr... but its still being review for accuracy. I have marked on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging  which I have reviewed/fixed already13:13
Tm_TTonio_: this has nothing to do with it? http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=110884413:16
Tonio_Tm_T: that's a qt bug13:16
Tm_Tbah everything is crashing here now13:17
Tonio_Tm_T: I don't use oxygen :) that may explain I have no probleme13:18
rgreeningRiddell: just uploaded new kdebase-runtime to PPA13:18
Tm_TTonio_: I dont use oxygen either (:13:18
Tonio_Tm_T: ;)13:19
Tm_Tanyway, that kde commit was to do something about cursors too13:20
Tm_Twhile dragging13:20
Riddellrgreening: from bzr13:22
rgreeningRiddell: can you upload using bzr the ones I have reviewed first (leaving kdelibs till last).13:23
rgreeningthat will give me a few more minutes to review...13:23
rgreeningk. cool.. buzzing through them... as quick as I can13:30
Tonio_Tm_T: yeah but that's about windos, not cursor13:36
Tonio_Tm_T: the bug I mention also exists for qt apps13:36
Tonio_and even inside qt apps13:36
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Riddellanyone want the rest of the 9.10 CDs?13:51
RiddellNightrose, Mamarok got any use for them?13:51
NightroseRiddell: i don't atm13:52
neversfeldeRiddell: I can ask, if they are needed at Linuxtag13:54
Riddellneversfelde: when is that?14:02
neversfeldeRiddell: June 9th - 12th, so probably a bit late for Karmic14:03
rgreeningRiddell: all checked against bzr for those we house in bzr14:15
Quintasanapachelogger: unexpectedly the tests were somehow easy for me14:19
Quintasaneven though it was biology14:19
* Quintasan hates biology14:19
Riddellrgreening: groovy14:19
Quintasannixternal's new plymouth splash is awesome14:21
Quintasangreat way to troll new users :)14:21
Riddellhow troll?14:25
rgreeningRiddell: I never updated the bzr tfrom UNRELEASED, I assume you will as you upload/release..k.14:28
Riddellrgreening: yes I can do that14:30
Riddellshould we include jontheechilada's patches to nepomuk I wonder14:30
rgreeningRiddell: what are they14:40
rgreeningand were they new since we uploaded to the PPA?14:40
Riddellrgreening: http://pastebin.com/4mVSd76g14:41
effie_jayxshould I find anyone using the plasma-netbook not using kubuntu and report it in bugs.kde.org? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/55133414:41
ubottuUbuntu bug 551334 in kdebase-workspace "key combination (alt+f4) closes the plasma-notebook interface " [Undecided,New]14:41
Riddellrgreening: yes they aren't in the PPA14:41
rgreeningRiddell: should we test-buold then in PPA first?14:41
rgreeningbuild even14:42
Riddelleffie_jayx: I think plasma-netbook expects kwin in netbook mode14:42
Riddellrgreening: I assume jontheechilada already has test built it14:42
Riddellalthough assumptions can be dangerous14:42
rgreeningwhat do the patches do?14:42
Riddellrgreening: we're out of time though, I'm uploading14:42
rgreeningya. Upload and we can do an update with the patches after14:43
rgreeningldelibs last...14:43
rgreeningkdelibs even14:43
effie_jayxRiddell: not sure I understanf much yet, but I believe it should restart plasma-netbook14:44
effie_jayxif it kills it, it should bring it up again no?14:44
* Riddell makes it sew14:44
rgreeningeffie_jayx: plasma-netbook is expected to run atop of the kde/kwin window manager. If it is not, then all bets are off.14:45
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effie_jayxrgreening: ok, I understand that bit. and hence the behaviour14:46
effie_jayxbut the issue is this. I find myself hiting alt+f4 to close apps a bit faster14:46
rgreeningeffie_jayx: if you need more help with it, you can try hanging out in kubuntu-netbook.14:46
effie_jayxrgreening: I am hanging there ;)14:47
effie_jayxshall be more patient then14:47
rgreeningI personally am not using the netbook, but someone in that channel may be better suited to look at it with you14:47
Riddelleffie_jayx: is this a problem when running kwin?14:47
effie_jayxyep kwin is running14:48
effie_jayxrgreening: thanks14:48
QuintasanRiddell: it's like that, users go - wow, kubuntu plymouth theme and the next thing they see after reboot is nixternal's face spinning around :O14:49
RiddellQuintasan: whatever happened to the koffice beta?14:52
Quintasanoh man I totally forgot with all those test14:53
Quintasangetting to it now14:53
shadeslayerthe unstable nouveau drivers work perfectly here.... no lag and awesome boot15:06
shadeslayeroh the plymouth theme has some portions cut off15:13
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* DarkwingDuck slaps nixternal around a bit with a large trout16:22
shadeslayershtylman: um sorry for that....16:22
shtylmanshadeslayer: no probs16:22
shadeslayershtylman: bad tab complete :P16:23
RiddellDarkwingDuck: are you using mIRC?!16:23
DarkwingDuckRiddell: No, just a memory from my mIRC days16:23
shtylmanmIRC will not be tolerated ... only konversation use allowed :)16:23
DarkwingDuckI only use that with nixternal16:23
shadeslayer@lart DarkwingDuck16:23
shadeslayermeh.... lart fail16:23
DarkwingDuckkubotu: lart shadeslayer16:24
* kubotu casts shadeslayer into the fires of Mt. Doom16:24
Riddellshtylman: pst, quassel may be allowable too16:24
DarkwingDuck+1 quassel16:24
shadeslayerkubotu: lart DarkwingDuck16:24
* kubotu forces DarkwingDuck to use perl for 3 weeks16:24
shadeslayer+999999 for irssi16:24
shtylmanRiddell: hmm... you sure?16:24
DarkwingDuckperl? Wasnt that one of my answers yesterday? :P16:24
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: kongrats btw ;)16:25
shadeslayeri knew that youll get in :P16:25
DarkwingDuckthanks shadeslayer :)16:26
kwwiiRiddell: any info on the state of the kubuntu logo?16:26
DarkwingDuck*sigh* syndicate a blog and spam comments like crazy16:26
shadeslayerand now onto bigger problems.... 12 people tied at first position in my programming competition :P16:27
shtylmankwwii: we voted yesterday to try one out for keta 216:27
Riddellkwwii: the feeling of the meeting was to go with this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-new-logo.png16:27
kwwiishtylman, Riddell: any word on getting a final K in that?16:28
Riddellkwwii: no that's the next stage for the design team along with picking the exact colour16:28
kwwiiRiddell: ok, cool...I will try and stay on top of this and help in any way I can16:29
shtylmankwwii, Riddell: for now we can make our own k ... at least line it up a bit better16:29
shadeslayerRiddell: that is a bit bland imp16:29
kwwiishtylman: well, we really should not use anything font-wise that has not been signed off on16:29
kwwiiit would be bad to give a poor impression of the new font16:29
shtylmankwwii: I agree... but what should we do in the inerim?16:30
Riddellshtylman: as kwwii says I'd like to keep it looking obviously bad and let the font people do it properly16:30
jjesseDarkwingDuck: you on planet.ubuntu.com now?  wait for all the link spam :)16:30
shtylmanRiddell: should we go with "ubuntu" text and kubuntu logo then?16:30
shtylmanwould that be any better?16:30
DarkwingDuckjjesse: I added last night about midnight CST. 42 spam. 42...16:30
jjessemmm lunch time be back in a bit16:30
kwwiishtylman: I will see if I can get some traction on that16:30
* Tm_T huggles kwwii16:31
DarkwingDuckshtylman: I think they are going to add a 'K' to the font16:31
shtylmanDarkwingDuck: they are... we are just talking about when :)16:31
shtylmankwwii: cool16:31
DarkwingDuckshtylman: 202016:31
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: i thought we were all going to die in 201216:32
DarkwingDuckYeah, and computer are going to stop working in 2000... Got ya16:32
shadeslayercould be tomorrow as well..i heard CERN just switched on their PA16:33
shtylmanRiddell: on another note... will we have pretty stickers?16:33
shadeslayershtylman: oh please the shiny metal ones16:33
* DarkwingDuck wants stickers16:33
shadeslayershtylman: one with every CD... instead of 3-516:33
DarkwingDuckI'll have to replace the one I have on the back of my laptop16:33
shadeslayertheres a brainstorm idea too16:33
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shadeslayerMamarok: there?16:40
shadeslayerjust got confirmation that you read my memo :P16:40
Riddellagateau: amarok, kdelibs and kdebase-workspace patches uploaded (along with kde 4.4.2)16:43
RiddellJontheEchidna: I included your strigi patches in kdebase-workspace16:44
agateauRiddell: great!16:44
Riddellshtylman: I expect pretty stickers will appear at some point16:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ok, cool. The patch to enable the RAM detection bits has been committed to kubuntu-default-settings16:44
JontheEchidnahaven't seen trueg yet16:45
Riddellnixternal, jjesse, DarkwingDuck: one of the meeting items was to change to liberation for the default font in line with ubuntu desktop, that's a UI freeze exception so would need your approval16:45
RiddellJontheEchidna: he's not often on IRC, probably best to e-mail16:45
nixternalJontheEchidna: you gonna do your core dev app or what?16:47
nixternalubuntu-meeting NOW!16:47
Riddellglatzor: hi16:56
shadeslayerhmm... is it possible to attach a lp bug report to another while reporting it? ( not talking about dupes )17:09
shadeslayerlike bugs.kde.org has this feature17:09
lex79qt4 still building on armel lol17:11
lex79and ia64 ftbs17:12
shadeslayerlex79: ia64?17:12
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macoshadeslayer: like say "this bug being fixed depends on that bug being fixed"? nope.17:16
shadeslayermaco: no,i meant that like attaching debug info to another bug report you know is the same problem17:17
shadeslayeroh btw hows this : http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopsf1636-jpg.jpg17:18
macoshadeslayer: oh. nope. you could run "apport-collect" twice, once for each bug report...but thats all i got17:18
nigelbmaco, I think now apport collect works only for bugs you reported17:18
macooh boo17:19
nigelbI like it :)17:19
shadeslayeroh crap i just closed the browser :(17:19
nigelbI dont get 20 mails on same bug for same problem17:19
nigelbwith apport-collect information17:19
Riddellnixternal: three positive votes, surely he's in?17:20
nixternalRiddell: we need to persuade persia, as he is the tie breaker17:20
shadeslayerok lets see if this works...17:20
Riddellnixternal: how so?  three is quorum and it's a positive even if persia is -117:21
nixternalRiddell: bring that one up in ubuntu meeting17:21
shadeslayerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/551832 : worked...17:21
ubottuUbuntu bug 551832 in gdb "gdb crashed with AttributeError in __repr__()" [Undecided,New]17:21
DarkwingDuckIf three didn't vote (with a +0) Then it's a voteing between 4 people17:22
RiddellJontheEchidna: congratulations on breaking the technical board :)17:23
DarkwingDuckHow is a +0 the same as voting -1??17:25
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* rgreening is confused with the tech board. How "NON-technical" of them17:26
macocrimsun says you need at least $QUORUM positive votes17:26
macoso if quorum is 3, then +3 is enough17:26
nigelbso he got through?17:26
Riddellquorum has always been three I'm sure17:26
rgreeningit was always minimum 3 to be able to vote and then it had to be a positive result. I though...17:27
Riddellrgreening: I agree17:27
DarkwingDuckbut to adstain you remove your vote from the count... so, 3 not going to vote 3 positive IMO he wins with 75% of the vote17:28
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nigelbDarkwingDuck, 100%?17:29
DarkwingDuck3/4 is 75%17:29
DarkwingDuck4 not being there. But, without him it still recieved a 75% IMO17:29
nigelb3 were positive and 3 abstained, so 3/3 right?17:29
* shadeslayer wonders what everybody is voting on.... hopes its realted to stickers17:29
DarkwingDuckAbstained is removing your vote from concideration.17:30
nigelbyes, I only counted people who attended17:30
DarkwingDuckThen yes. 100%17:30
DarkwingDuck75% of the entire governing body17:30
nigelbah, that way17:31
DarkwingDuckHowever, it's all on the interpretation of what abstaining your vote means17:32
macoi'm checing robertsrules.com17:33
macooh bah the text isnt on there17:33
maconixternal: does the DMB go by roberts rules?17:33
nixternalthere is no telling what we go by...it is the same as the TB, the ol' MC, the RMBs17:35
nixternalif we kick persia hard enough, he will come through :D17:35
nixternalRiddell: oh, you want to change the font now?17:37
macook crimsun says MC did not go by roberts rules because they never established what they went by17:37
Riddellnixternal: I'm not sure now, I thought it was going to be the default in ubuntu desktop but arne says it'll just be installed and dejavu is still default17:37
DarkwingDuckThen that kinda answers that17:38
nigelbso, time to kick persia ? :D17:38
nixternalthat would have been hellish, 65 screenshots would have to be redone17:38
macocrimsun says he's pretty sure the MC did "majoriy present say +1"17:38
nixternalhey, it's nigelb! didn't know you were lurking in here, only see you smacking me around on identi.ca or twitter :)17:38
maconixternal: ive been trying to bring him to the dark side17:39
maconigelb: remember, we have cookies!17:39
nixternalmaco: when I was on the MC, quorum, so if there were 7 voters, you needed +417:39
maco~order cookies for nigelb17:39
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to nigelb.17:39
nigelbnixternal, I've been hanging around here since long.  it so happens that my mentor is a kubuntu fangirl17:39
nixternalif there were 5 voters, you needed +317:39
nixternalthat I do remember17:39
nigelbmaco, come lucid and I might17:39
nigelbthe tooltips is a bit getting on my nerves17:40
RiddellTrouble_: how's 4.4.2 in karmic?17:42
Riddellwe had a request to update kwin-style-dekorator to 0.5.0, anyone fancy looking into it?17:46
DarkwingDuckHey nixternal can I download your spinning head for startup?17:47
Riddellnixternal: what's the status of the plymouth theme?17:47
nixternalRiddell: http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth3.png17:48
Riddellnixternal: is that in k-d-s?17:48
DarkwingDuckdo the cogs spin?17:49
nixternalbut we have a problem, bug 55129017:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551290 in kubuntu-default-settings "[lucid] Kubuntu theme on nvidia card too ugly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55129017:49
nixternalno it isn't in k-d-s yet17:49
nixternalwe need to lame out for people with nvidia cards17:49
nixternalie: solid color background and no glow, otherwise nvidia people cry17:50
Riddellnixternal: doesn't the ubuntu theme have the same issue?17:51
nixternalon the ubuntu logo, yes...there is no problem with their solid aubergine madness17:51
DarkwingDuckDon't hold back nixternal... what do you really feel about ubuntu?17:52
Riddellnixternal: ok, what's our options for beta 2 freeze on thursday?17:52
nixternali love ubuntu!17:52
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!17:52
* DarkwingDuck backs away slowly17:52
nixternalRiddell: http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/  - keybuk posted this today, which has to do with the issue17:53
Riddellnixternal: can we just use a solid background for now?17:53
nixternalRiddell: yes, but it looks shite17:55
DarkwingDuckAre upgrades from hardy to lucid supposed to work now (and should they be tested), or is that something that comes late in the cycle or in 10.04.1?17:56
nixternallet me talk to keybuk on this issue17:56
Riddellnixternal: I don't mind that really, the k looks rubbish anyway17:56
Riddellnixternal: but I'd really like to get /something/ in for beta 217:56
RiddellDarkwingDuck: they're not supported and we don't know if they work.  testing would be interesting but there's no format way to do it17:56
DarkwingDuckRiddell: People assume that we can smoothly upgrade from LTS to LTS...17:57
Riddellhardy wasn't LTS, we made that clear17:57
DarkwingDuckOk, so, Kubuntu doesn't have to worry about it the way ubuntu does17:58
DarkwingDuckHowever, we should figure something out in the next 2 years :P17:58
nixternalRiddell: did you like the one I linked you to just a few minutes ago?17:59
Riddellright (although as I say it would be interesting for it to be tested if someone wanted to)17:59
Riddellnixternal: looks beautiful17:59
nixternalif so, I am definitely groovy on adding it to k-d-s17:59
nixternalok, I will add it then, and we can work out the kinks moving forward17:59
Riddellnixternal: groovy17:59
amichairare there any stats anywhere on how many users are using each release version?17:59
Riddellamichair: not that I know of18:00
DarkwingDuckRiddell: When I get my desktop setup at home I'll toss in a copy of it and test it...18:00
Riddellmaco: I'm not sure if that tells you the number installed now or every installed for a package18:01
macoRiddell: hmm fair point18:01
macothere's a "recent" list...18:02
macooh. it only gives package names, not versions18:02
macoso we cant look for kde 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.318:02
Riddellshtylman, nixternal: do we have a netbook installer slideshow?18:05
shtylmanRiddell: I believe so... but I don't think it is merged in trunk18:06
shadeslayerDarkwingDuck: how come you dont have a member cloak?18:06
jjessecause he forgot to ask, or someone didn't tell him?18:07
DarkwingDuckI just got it18:07
shadeslayerah nice18:07
lex79Need testers for bug 52890718:08
shadeslayeri didnt see the last join message18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528907 in kdebase "unable to mount disks in dolphin / hal permission denied" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52890718:08
shadeslayerlex79: i confirmed it in beta 118:08
shadeslayerlex79: i can remove my fstab entries and try again though18:08
lex79Riddell: can you change the package affected in that bug? ^^ I can't18:09
lex79Riddell: the bug is in HAL and not in kdebase18:09
lex79shadeslayer: try the fix18:09
amichairRiddell: when shall I poke u regarding the s-p-k merge (it's very short diff)?18:09
Riddellamichair: after I've done my archive admin tasks for the day and reviewed kde 4.4.2 packages18:10
shadeslayerlex79: sure,how big is the upgrade?18:10
lex79only 3 packages, hal packages18:10
shadeslayerlets see18:10
shtylmanRiddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo <-- netbook installer slideshow postponed18:10
nixternalRiddell: pushed up new logo to k-d-s in bzr18:11
shadeslayerlex79: this will take a few mins :P18:11
shtylmannixternal: are you gonna make new plymouth theme?18:11
nixternalshtylman: done18:11
nixternaljust redid the logo part using the new logo18:12
DarkwingDucknixternal: uploaded yet?18:12
shadeslayernixternal: which is?18:12
nixternaldidn't package it, just slung it in bzr, just in case we need to make other changes to k-d-s before releasing a new package18:12
shadeslayernixternal: wheres the new logo?18:13
JontheEchidnaDo the launchpad devs even know how their system is coded? damn. bug 50777318:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507773 in malone "Cannot confirm SRU tasks for packages I have upload rights to." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50777318:13
maconixternal: preeeetty18:14
Riddellshtylman: so we should just use the same slideshow as on desktop?18:14
nixternaldoesn't the logo and the dots look uncentered? they are centered, it just looks a little off to me18:14
shadeslayernixternal: i guess a K is supposed to be there?18:14
nixternalif you stand back, it looks fine18:14
shadeslayerin the circle18:14
shadeslayernixternal: yes18:15
Riddelllex79: done18:15
shadeslayernixternal: its not oriented18:15
nixternala k in the circle?18:15
shadeslayernixternal: in the top right circle..18:15
nixternalshadeslayer: it is oriented actually...i took the logo and the 3 dots into gimp and centered there...same exact look18:15
lex79JontheEchidna: can you try my fix?18:15
JontheEchidnayour fix?18:16
lex79bug 52890718:16
nixternali am not an artist at any level, so if someone wants to come up with a plymouth-theme, then by all means, but hurry up18:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528907 in kdebase "unable to mount disks in dolphin / hal permission denied" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52890718:16
shadeslayerlex79: my interwebs is ultra slow today :P18:16
shadeslayernixternal: hehe...18:16
shadeslayernixternal: its good,but like i said,the dots dont look centered18:16
amichairit might look better centered on the word rather than the whole image18:17
nixternalyeah, they don't look centered either, but they are18:17
JontheEchidnalex79: Is pitti ok with this solution?18:18
lex79dunno, I posted few minutes ago18:18
* txwikinger has tested karmic->lucid upgrade and the ubunt flush screen is gone for the Kubuntu one :)18:18
OxymoronDo anybody of you guys experience any problem with video window output on Kubuntu Karmic or Lucid? I cant get it to work, xine and mplayer works trough temrinal but Kaffeine and Dragonplayer doesnt work and cant find anywhere to change video output mode for them like VLC have?18:19
JontheEchidnalex79: the patch fails to apply18:19
JontheEchidnaoh, my mistake18:19
lex79ah :)18:19
* shadeslayer wonders...18:20
lex79JontheEchidna: try also the package in my ppa18:20
shtylmanRiddell: indeed18:20
shadeslayeri think there are loads of upgrades in the pipeline18:20
RiddellTrouble_: can you install packages from packagekit?18:21
OxymoronAnyone? I have asked in almost every single channel for this problem and seems almost nobody know how to fix it? It isnt nvidia, not xserver, not xine, not gstreamer and well I dont know anymore? COuld it be phonon, qt or something like that?18:21
shadeslayerlex79: upgrading.. will take 10-15 mins18:23
amichairOxymoron: not sure what u mean, but perhaps changing video output in system settings will help?18:23
* shadeslayer loves his new wallpaper18:24
JontheEchidnanixternal: Maybe you could extend the .png for the name/logo by the amount of pixels the logo takes up? As long as it has a transparent background, it shouldn't do anything bad18:24
JontheEchidna*extend the png on the left side18:25
shadeslayermaco: thanks for blocking the stupid diamond thingy18:26
macoshadeslayer: np18:26
JontheEchidnalex79: Works!18:27
lex79good ! \o/18:27
JontheEchidnalex79: but that patch was introduced for a reason. It'll need pitti approval18:27
shadeslayerstill upgrading here :D18:27
Oxymoronamichair: Where to do that then?18:28
lex79JontheEchidna: btw that patch was introduced by Debian not by Ubuntu18:29
Oxymoronamichair: And the problem is that Kaffeine and Dragonplayer GUI show transparent video output window so I see the window image from the thin beneath the player. It have been like that since one Karmic update before ...18:29
amichairOxymoron: I was thinking System Settings -> Multimedia, but now that I look at it, it looks more audio-oriented18:30
lex79JontheEchidna: pitti approved :)18:30
JontheEchidnahe'll probably sponsor it then18:30
Oxymoronamichair: Yes, you cant change anything there, just switch between xine and gstreamer, are you kidding with me it sucks ****************************************18:30
Oxymoronamichair: I have been trying to sort this out for ages now and want a solution. I have been pointed to this channel to ask, because I am confident that its KDE issue somewhere in configuration but I dont know what.18:31
Oxymoronamichair: Could also be something with QT framework as well.18:32
OxymoronOh and recently when I updated Lucid I got some gtk upgrades and recently Gnome panel start to appear beneath my KDE panels? :O Whys that? :S18:33
Oxymoronamichair: Could be Kubuntu specific as well, some typo somewhere or anything.18:34
amichairOxymoron: sorry, I don't know much about that...18:34
Oxymoronamichair: No other developer seem to do it either and I am a end user and have been struggling around everywhere on Google and try to find a solution. If Google, devlopers or Isnt able to sort this out, who should? :P18:35
OxymoronIts enough crashes in Lucid itself, but this video problem didnt work in "stable" Karmic either and its really annoys me now as hell. It shoudnt be impossible to find the bug, error or misconfiguration?18:37
OxymoronNothing wrong with nVidia, XServer, Xine thats for sure, tried everything there.18:37
* Oxymoron is brb, reboot18:37
shadeslayeroh btw kcm touchpad is really buggy18:40
shadeslayeri would suggest removing it from the default install18:40
shadeslayerlex79: works perfectly now :)18:41
shadeslayerI might get a 1 TB HDD in the next few days :P18:45
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* shadeslayer crosses his fingers18:45
Oxymoronamichair: back ;)18:47
nixternalwhew, all my clerical duties are almost complete18:47
nixternaldamn, gotta do this team report crap so nhandler doesn't beat me up18:48
Riddellnixternal: which team is tha?18:48
nixternaldeveloper membership board18:48
macoaww no agateau18:54
macomy tray is growing uncontrollably again18:55
macosebas: ping?18:55
shadeslayernice... rekonq added a improved urlbar18:57
* shadeslayer gets to packaging the new rekonq version18:57
Riddellshadeslayer: note that'll need a FFe18:59
shadeslayerRiddell: oh im just uploading to my PPA :P19:01
Riddellthat's all good then19:01
nixternalok, team report done19:01
shadeslayerRiddell: and i dont think you guys will accept git version of a app :P19:01
Riddellah, no19:02
nixternalI have seen it done in the past, just to get the package in before any freezes19:02
shadeslayerRiddell: oh btw are all patches put in .pc now19:02
Riddellshadeslayer: no they're put in debian/patches , quilt uses .pc to keep track of them19:03
shadeslayeroh ok19:04
shtylmanRiddell: are we gonna have 4.4.2 for lucid?19:12
shtylmanor is freeze gonna prevent that?19:12
Riddellshtylman: already in19:13
shadeslayerRiddell: \o/19:14
shadeslayerRiddell: when will it be available?19:14
Tm_Tshadeslayer: when it's all built19:14
Riddellwhen it compiles19:14
Riddelllex79: oh is kdebindings ok to upload?19:14
lex79Riddell: yes, I added a new package19:14
Riddelllex79: what was the phonon compile issue on the mailing list?19:15
lex79stolen from debian ;)19:15
shadeslayerTm_T: when will it be built :p19:15
lex79Riddell: it's fixed, I sent a couple of mails in ML and they fixed19:15
Tm_Tshadeslayer: noone knows how many hours it takes19:16
lex79Riddell: it was about smoke, it always smoke fault :)19:16
Riddellthat's why smoke is banned in public places19:17
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shadeslayerbleh : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42525105/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.rekonq_0.4.0%2Bgit20100330-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:18
Quintasanapachelogger: you'd better wish me luck now since even if I start preparing I won't make it for tomorrow :/19:18
lex79shadeslayer: I don't think is the right moment to build packages :)19:18
Riddellshadeslayer: that'll be the 4.4.2 upload, it's compiled on i386 but not amd64 I expect, just wait and retry19:19
shadeslayerlex79: yeah i can see that :)19:19
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^19:19
QuintasanRiddell: I think I will have KOffice ready tomorrow, is that okay?19:19
shadeslayerlex79: i figured that out since the 1386 build is going fine :P19:19
RiddellQuintasan: groovy19:19
shtylmanRiddell: cool19:20
QuintasanRiddell: one more thing, about this KoReport, should I grab the source from koffice tarball and make entirely another package or just pull those koreport files into *.install file and add another package to debian/control?19:20
shadeslayerkubotu: googlefight KDE gnome19:21
kubotuKDE (40,200,000) vs. gnome (17,000,000) -- KDE wins!19:21
shadeslayeroh wow.... didnt expext that :P19:21
lex79Riddell: Debian is switching to source format 3 for qt4 package. Do we want this for lucid or is too late?19:22
Riddelllex79: I'd rather not for lucid19:22
Riddellinfact we probably can't until a new upstream version appears19:22
shadeslayerok um,i cant see what the problem is with : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42525668/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.rekonq_0.4.0%2Bgit20100330-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:23
shadeslayerthese are completely new errors for me :)19:23
Quintasanlex79: Do you have any protips for getting modified *.install files out of pbuilders environment? I'm getting tired of remembering what I changed where19:25
Riddellshadeslayer: that's an upstream bug19:26
Riddellsomething weird when their build system runs the test suite19:26
shadeslayerRiddell: really? works on my local machine19:26
Riddellshadeslayer: how about in a pbuilder?19:27
shadeslayerRiddell: dunno.. i dont have a good internet connection :)19:27
shadeslayerRiddell: ok well if its a upstream bug,ill check it out tomorrow... really tired right now :D19:28
Riddellladies and gentlemen, I present to you a k  http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_logotype_black.png19:29
QuintasanThe "K" for president !19:29
Quintasankubotu: order cookies for Riddell19:29
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Riddell.19:29
Quintasanthat's a nice K19:29
QuintasanI liKe it19:29
macoits a little curvy on the bottom stick. i like :)19:29
lex79Quintasan: if I understand, you should copy what you have in pbuilder in your package. Browse your pbuilder directory :)19:32
Quintasannow I dunno what you mean19:33
QuintasanI build something and get FTBFS and drop to shell, modify some *.install files, and instead of remembering what I changed I want to get them OUTSIDE the pbuilder chroot19:34
lex79Quintasan: yes, go into pbuilder chroot, and copy the install files that you changed to your package in your home19:35
lex79go to pbuilder chroot with dolphin :)19:35
lex79that's the trick19:36
Quintasanoh lol19:36
Quintasannow I see it :D19:36
Riddellnixternal: around or did you run off?19:36
jjessehe's probablly out to lunch :)19:37
Quintasanlex79: strange, inside build/1767/home/quintasan/Sauce/pbuilder I have only ccache dir19:37
Quintasannvm, it was in /tmp inside the chroot19:40
lex79yes, it's in tmp :)19:40
* nhandler needs to send out a reminder about team reports, but it looks like at least some people are remembering without it19:42
Quintasanwhat the hell?!19:43
lex79weird, not here19:44
Quintasanshtylman: Grats on getting membership :)20:38
Tm_Tshtylman: now get your cloak20:44
OxymoronQuintasan: I got same error sometimes in Lancelot ;) Not sure why though.20:44
QuintasanOxymoron: That was Lancelot screenshot :O20:45
Quintasanshtylman: I think it is time that someone should design Kubuntu business cards for us20:45
OxymoronQuintasan: Yes, thats what I mean?20:45
* Quintasan too stubborn to use Ubuntu one20:46
QuintasanOxymoron: I thought you though it wasn't Lancelot in my screenshot20:46
* Quintasan notes thinking this late hou yields horrible results20:46
OxymoronQuintasan: Isnt that Lancelot? :S20:47
shtylmanQuintasan: ooo ... that sounds pretty cool actually :)20:47
QuintasanOxymoron: nevermind, it's just my strange way of thinking :P20:48
Quintasanshtylman: I bet Riddell wants one :)20:48
shtylmanQuintasan: yea... im sure he would20:49
* maco would be surprised if he doesnt have them20:49
OxymoronQuintasan: Haha alright :P20:50
Quintasanmaco: We do not have a Kubuntu business card, right?20:50
macodoesnt mean you cant make your own20:50
macoi made my own ubuntu ones in OOo because the thingies on the wiki didnt work right20:50
Quintasan>implying that it wouldn't look like crap when made by me20:50
Quintasanmaco: if I was skilled enough to pull it off without embarassing myself I would do one and say that we could use them but my artistic skill is nowhere near good :(20:53
nhandlerQuintasan: You can ask doctormo if he would make some. He just made up some new Ubuntu cards to use the new theme20:56
QuintasanGood idea nhandler. I'll do that after I finish that KOffice20:58
* Quintasan was doing it for two weeks and it is time to finish it once for all20:58
QuintasanI'm not entirely sure libs like libkobase.so should be missing :O21:16
nhandlerQuintasan: For the cards, they should have nixternal's face on them to match the plymouth theme, right?21:16
QuintasanI'm not sure, let me consult my lawyer...21:17
QuintasanJontheEchidna: ^^21:17
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: what is the full path of the library?21:17
Quintasannhandler: Doing that is like asking for Trouble, I don't want to be recognized everywhere as nixternal21:18
QuintasanJontheEchidna: #usr/lib/libkobase.so.621:18
Quintasanwithout #21:18
QuintasanI hope dh_install --list-missing will catch some of those21:19
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: that should be installed. only when it doesn't have an so number at the very end should it not be installed21:19
JontheEchidnaand only if it is in /usr/lib/21:19
QuintasanJontheEchidna: fails installing saying such files doesn't exist21:19
JontheEchidnaI thought you said it was in list-missing?21:20
QuintasanNo, koffice-libs.install has this inside and the whole building process fails21:20
JontheEchidnals debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkobase*? Maybe the number got bumped21:20
Quintasannot there at all21:21
JontheEchidnathen the library got removed21:22
Quintasanwell, let me get to list-missing list first of all then I will figure what is wrong21:22
QuintasanI thing we want some build-deps to be promoted to main (if they are not already)21:22
Quintasanlike sqlite libs21:22
JontheEchidnawe will if we want to move koffice back to main in the future, but for now I wouldn't worry about it21:23
* Quintasan forgot KOffice is in universe21:25
* Quintasan ordered Motorola Milestone21:27
QuintasanToo bad that my Nokia E61 went crazy21:27
Riddellapachelogger: alive?21:30
QuintasanDarkwingDuck: grats on membership :)21:31
DarkwingDuckthanks Quintasan21:31
QuintasanYou're welcome21:31
QuintasanTime for some classical music21:31
DarkwingDuckhmmm, nickserv is slow so I don't identify till after i logged in... hmm.21:32
QuintasanJontheEchidna: You have some experience in Qt development, right?21:33
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: making things with Qt? Or developing Qt itself?21:33
QuintasanJontheEchidna: making things with Qt21:33
JontheEchidnayeah, I have some experience with that21:33
nhandlerDarkwingDuck: Use the server password field instead21:35
QuintasanI'm learning about classes, and that destructor thingy, if Qt uses classes and objects shouldn't destructors be declarated within Qt libs? I wrote a Qt app before and my friend said I'm not using a destructor to free memory, and I was like "What?"21:35
DarkwingDucknhandler: ahhh sweet, thanks21:35
RiddellQuintasan: generally in Qt if you're using widgets every widget has a parent except the top level window, when one class gets deleted it takes care of deleting all the child classes21:36
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: your class needs a destructor. Qt will call that when the parent gets destructed. You don't have to do much, though.21:36
JontheEchidnaClass::~Class {} should generally be enough, unless you create objects on the stack that don't have a parent via new21:37
Quintasanat leasts it seems so :P21:37
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Common_Programming_Mistakes#memory_leaks21:37
DarkwingDuckahhh. nhandler thanks works now21:38
* Quintasan is learning about inheritance21:39
JontheEchidnaBasically, QObjects with a destructor will call the destructor of all child QObjects if they have one21:39
Tm_TDarkwingDuck: it's nice and shiny21:39
DarkwingDuckTm_T: It will dull over time21:40
nhandlerDarkwingDuck: Glad to hear that21:40
Tm_TDarkwingDuck: just remember, polish & shine21:40
DarkwingDuckI'll let my contribution work shine it for me.21:41
QuintasanThat's the attitude!21:41
* Quintasan highfives DarkwingDuck21:41
DarkwingDuck:D TY Quintasan21:41
DarkwingDuckSpeaking of... the ToDo list. If something doesn't have a name is it then open for adoption?21:42
RiddellDarkwingDuck: probably yes21:43
Riddellgot anything in mind?21:43
DarkwingDuckRiddell: More in teh Marketing Side.21:44
DarkwingDuckI'm not much of a programmer... Was someone working on Kubuntu Contacts with-in LoCos?21:44
RiddellDarkwingDuck: nope, that needs doing (and working out what to do with them)21:45
DarkwingDuckOkay, I'll start putting together something for that and possibly Marketing Slogans21:45
rgreeningI cant believe no one noticed that usb-creator-kde was broken under lucid :(21:49
larsivihey - after rebooting this evening (several things had been updated, like kernel, grub and other stuff), KDE refuse to get me online21:51
Riddellrgreening: it's been working for me recently but not since 4.4.2 update21:52
Riddellrgreening: but also the -gtk one was broken too I think21:52
Riddelllarsivi: probably not all the packages are built21:52
larsivipresumably networkmanager isn't running properly, as none of the interfaces were up21:52
rgreeningRiddell: this was a PyQt b0rk21:52
rgreeningRiddell: there were changes in recent bindings to useage of QVariant which broke my little baby21:52
rgreeningshe's all better now though :)21:53
larsiviRiddell: can packages be uploaded before their dependencies?21:53
rgreeningI like being upstream for at least on project :)21:53
QuintasanRiddell: How many CDs do you have left?21:54
Riddelllarsivi: there can e scew between the arch all and arch amd64 packages21:54
RiddellQuintasan: whit?21:54
QuintasanRiddell: Kubuntu 9.1021:54
* rgreening thinks its a good thing noone confuses CD with Communicable Disease21:55
QuintasanDamn you KOffice, damn you, even headers are being removed now21:55
DarkwingDuckRiddell: Are you on the LoCo ML?21:56
RiddellDarkwingDuck: nope21:57
RiddellQuintasan: oh, dunno, lots I'm told21:57
DarkwingDuckRiddell: You want to be CCed on emails sent out?21:57
RiddellDarkwingDuck: ok21:57
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I think we want to find kubuntu contacts in each loco and have a resource page with things they can use to promote kubuntu21:57
macoput me down for DC21:58
RiddellDarkwingDuck: so I guess in your first e-mail ask for people who want to be contacts and what resources they have which could be pooled21:58
macothough er...21:58
macoare scottk and seele both in the dc loco too? i was guessing they're md loco21:58
RiddellDarkwingDuck: also there's a loco database I think, we could get that so it lists the kubuntu contact maybe21:58
DarkwingDuckYeah, I was going to collect names to LoCos then setup a Wiki page for placing the information21:59
DarkwingDuckWork with the LoCo guys in merging or, adding to lists21:59
JontheEchidnaIntrepid reached EOL today22:02
sghRiddell: Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/550000 recent commits by you?22:18
ubottuUbuntu bug 550000 in kde4libs "konsole/systemsettings/dolphin starts up slowly" [Undecided,Confirmed]22:18
Riddellsgh: the patches are by agateau22:20
sghRiddell: sorry .... from agateau .. commit by you :) Does it fix 550000 ?22:21
Riddellsgh: i don't know22:23
sghRiddell: ok thanks..22:23
Riddell30 days and 15 bugs to go23:04
Riddellone bug every 2 days23:05
Riddellwe can do this!23:05
Tm_Tyummy, coffee and cola drink mixed, makes mug look very icky23:14
lex79one bug should already go if pitti upload my fix for hal23:14
RiddellI might well just upload it23:14
nixternalRiddell: I am here now23:17
nixternalQuintasan: what's up with koffice? you backporting it to karmic or something?23:18
nixternalI uploaded 2.1.2 to lucid yesterday23:19
nixternal2 files are in list-missing, and they are for kivio and I think the other was kformula.desktop23:19
Riddellnixternal: see that logo?  able to update the plymouth splash with it?23:22
nixternalwhat logo?23:23
nixternalthat one on your p.c.c/~jriddell page?23:23
nixternalRiddell: have an svg of it or just the png?23:24
nixternaloooh, I have something I want to try with that that might look kind of cool23:24
Riddellnixternal: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu_logotype_black.svg23:25
nixternalthat would look kind of cool, but the logo, I don't know23:27
Riddellnixternal: hmm that doesn't look good on my screen unless I tilt the screen forwards23:27
nixternalahh, OK, I will hook up the new logo the way it is now...gimme a minute23:27
nathan_you all are great. I'm chatting from the beta on my Eee.23:31
Riddellnathan_: did you use the live installer?  does it fit in the screen resolution?23:31
nathan_yeah I remember it not being a problem.23:32
nathan_I used usb-creator to make a flashdrive installer.23:33
nathan_The netbook activitie are much improved.23:34
nathan_I have a spare partition to install it again.23:36
nixternalRiddell: http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth4.png23:38
lex79nice :)23:40
Riddellnixternal: bling bling23:40
shtylmannixternal: thats hot23:53
shtylmanthe day of reckoning is upon us :)23:54
shtylmannixternal: is that gonna hit for beta 2?23:55
nixternalshtylman: yes23:56
nixternalgonna go ahead and update bzr then upload a package23:56
shtylmanRiddell: are the artwork people gonna cleanup our logo? or is that something I should take upon myself to do?23:56
Riddellshtylman: all we got was the lettering, didn't touch the gear stamp bit23:57
Riddellshtylman: what needs cleaned up?23:57
shtylmanRiddell: just to check for consistency ... make sure everything is centered as needed23:57
shtylmanand check for grid alignment where we can :)23:57

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