[00:00] Im here apachelogger. Im big enuff for 4 peeps :) [00:01] * claydoh is at work, so will only be monitoring [00:05] nixternal: the idea is to specifically locate areas where ko leaks behind, in cooperation with upstream so that they have feedback to hold on to and we have some idea how far ko is away from becoming default [00:05] apachelogger: roger that, I would like to work on that with you [00:05] I have to go though [00:06] * apachelogger kisses nixternal goodbye [00:09] * Tm_T huggles DarkwingDuck [00:09] YAY! [00:11] Heh [00:12] Okay, one milestone marked [00:12] DarkwingDuck: cloak next (that's easy now) [00:13] Cloak? childs play... I'm trying to port to alt universes so I can work 24/7 [00:14] I've been trying to do that last couple centuries [00:15] I can get there... getting the others back here was a bit harder [00:15] * Tm_T huggles shtylman too [00:16] shtylman, DarkwingDuck: you both are accepted into kubuntu-members, usual membership benefits should become available in a couple of days [00:16] apachelogger: noted :) [00:16] thanks apachelogger === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting :: Welcome DarkwingDuck and shtylman to the family \o/ === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [00:47] JontheEchidna: did you come any further on the akonadi stuff btw? [00:47] apachelogger: still need to file a bug against mysql [00:47] apachelogger: know what exactly needs splitting? [00:48] nope [00:48] but it is quite some stuff [00:48] at least 3 scripts + a couple of sql files [00:57] JontheEchidna: I use droid too :) [01:03] Nightrose: sleep well [01:06] * apachelogger uses droid on the netbook and liberation on the laptop [01:06] droid looks kinda weird on large screens IMHO ^^ [01:07] kubotu: identica update live from meeting: !kubuntu 10.04 will be using liberation as default font [01:07] status updated [01:08] how do I set my identica up with kubotu? [01:08] kubotu: help identica [01:08] identica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...) [01:08] identica identify [username] [password] [01:08] in a query :P [01:08] yupyup [01:10] kubotu: identica update Yay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw [01:10] status updated [01:10] ScottK: choqok is not on the netbook image? [01:10] kubotu: identica status jontheechidna [01:10] Yay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw (2 minutes and 13 seconds ago via rbot) [01:10] blogilo also shoudl go there [01:12] apachelogger: It should be. Was it added to kubuntu-desktop instead of kubuntu-common? [01:12] ScottK: dunno, it was not on my installation from a couple of days ago [01:12] no rdepends at all [01:14] order apachelogger a cookie [01:15] kubotu: order apachelogger a cookie [01:15] * kubotu slides apachelogger a cookie down the bar to ryanakca [01:15] There :P [01:15] ^^ [01:16] apachelogger: It's not in desktop either [01:17] It's only 326k; we have the space [01:17] well [01:17] I am not sure we want it on the desktop TBH [01:17] * apachelogger could live without it on the desktop ;) [01:18] Doesn't the plasmoid provide enough? [01:18] choqok is only on the dvd because there is already the plasmoid [01:18] ScottK: I find it a bit of a PITA to use the plasmoid on the netbook, since the windows are all fullscreen [01:18] Is it a feature that we have an ubuntu flash screen in Kubuntu? [01:18] apachelogger: Well you can add it to the newspaper [01:19] Ubuntu flash screen? [01:19] txwikinger: We shouldn't since yesterday [01:19] to report a bug in plasma-netbook the package is kdebase-workspace? [01:19] ScottK: yeah, but still involves that I switch to the newspaper [01:19] keffie_jayx: Yes [01:19] apachelogger: Well that's what it's meant to be used for. [01:19] Riddell, markey: The crash on startup fix should be also available for karmic [01:19] maybe it is just me, but I mostly jump between apps and the launcher [01:19] ScottK: ok I will try to upgrade then [01:19] ScottK: well, in that case only blogilo needs to be added [01:20] because that can not be done via a plasmoid :P [01:20] OK. [01:20] I'm fine with that if it's already in Main. [01:20] should be, I think it is part of kdepim nowadays [01:20] It is [01:20] !info blogilo lucid [01:20] ScottK: if you have time, please added it :) [01:20] But not all binaries are necessarily in Main [01:20] * apachelogger cant push due to lack of keys [01:21] blogilo (source: kdepim): KDE SC blogging client. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.4.1a-0ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 318 kB, installed size 1044 kB [01:21] ScottK: yeah, but it is only a matter of promotion, isnt it? [01:21] since the source is in main anyway [01:21] Riddell: Do you mind a binary promotion to put blogilo on the netbook image? [01:21] As long as Riddell ack's it, I'm fine with it. [01:23] k [01:23] Riddell: oh, have I showed you my strigi patches? http://pastebin.com/4mVSd76g [01:25] hmm, forgot to document the "tray icon is always in the hidden area of the tray" bit [01:25] in debian/changelog [01:25] ScottK: fine with me [01:25] plus I guess I'll need to update things for 4.4.2 [01:27] JontheEchidna: they seem good. you should get upstream to ack them in line with our patch policy [01:27] JontheEchidna: should I upload for beta 2? [01:28] Riddell: they'd probably be ok with at least the RAM detection bit, but would we want to go against their wishes for the notifications bit for the sake of usability, if they disagree with hiding most of the notifications? [01:29] JontheEchidna: if we felt strongly we could, yes, but we should at least ask them for an opinion [01:29] k, I'll ping trueg [01:30] the patch policy was your idea was it not? :) [01:30] patches-- [01:30] JontheEchidna: IMHO the always hiding is a bit drastical [01:30] I think it would suffice to create a timeout [01:30] apachelogger: but the tray icon is always jumping about from hiding to the active place in the tray, very distracting [01:30] so you would only see that beasty if scan is taking longer than say 10 seconds [01:31] JontheEchidna: that is the point, it is notifying you of its activity :P [01:31] I don't really care about its activity, and I'm sure most of our normal usecase won't either [01:31] it just doesnt need to do so if it only scans one file for one second [01:32] but if it is scanning for a considerable amount of time it makes sense to give feedback, so a user knows why the system is slow [01:32] hmm, you have a point [01:32] I'd maybe bump it to not change to Active for at least 30 seconds, though [01:32] maybe 20 [01:33] also I suppose there should be a minimum show time of 10 seconds [01:33] that also helps with preventing too much jumping [01:33] Riddell: I don't think the patch policy says that we have to get approval for every patch, but on a cyclical basis lay out what we have [01:33] because otherwise you might show it after 20 seconds and after 23 it is done scanning and jumpyness is appearing all over again [01:34] * apachelogger thinks this minimum-timeout should be implemented in the kstatusnotifieritem itself really [01:35] technically any app could cause that jumpyness and in neihter case it is a good thing [01:35] though with a behavior change like that I suppose it would be curteous to let upstream know, in case of bugreports for the change [01:36] it should be changed upstream anyway :P [01:36] cause the implementation is broken [01:37] the RAM detection patch could potentially go upstream, but it is a bit non-cross-platform, plus relies on the distributor placing a custom config key in the nepomukserverrc (if it's not there, it's totally safe too) [01:38] I stole some of the ram detection code from plasma-desktop, and it had a crapton of ifdef's for freebsd, mac, win and the like [01:39] apachelogger: Seeded. Just need Riddell to promote it now so we can update kubuntu-meta. === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:39] ScottK: thanks [01:39] JontheEchidna: I suppose it needs some ifdefs then ;) [01:40] apachelogger: plus porting the relavent bits from plasma, sorta bleh [01:40] well [01:40] plasma :P [01:41] akonadi/kdepim haxX0ring is worse [01:42] I can not for the life of me figure out how to make the kres migrator stop from running on startup *on a clean machine* [01:42] ScottK: promoted [01:42] apparently some of its default resources are created as old resources that need migrating to akonadi resources :/ [01:43] bug 551237 [01:43] Launchpad bug 551237 in kubuntu-default-settings "[kubuntu]the artwork of boot, login and desktop must be coherents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551237 [01:43] we should make the plymouth theme use the kde default wallpaper [01:43] Aside from crowding the first startup with a dialog, it starts the entire akonadi stack, wasting 30 MB RAM by default [01:43] apachelogger: I'm told that doesn't work well [01:43] and add such a box effect thingy as seen on kdm and ksplash === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:44] Riddell: :( [01:44] apachelogger: that's why ubuntu desktop uses a plain theme [01:44] then I must wontfix that bug I suppose [01:44] kwwii would know the details [01:44] well, plymouth only works in 16bit on nvidia binary drivers I have read [01:44] so that might be the problem [01:44] that bug conflicts with the one about it looking crap on nvidia [01:45] plymouth dudes say our theme should be 16bit friendly [01:45] JontheEchidna: no, it just implies that we make the kde desktop ugly :P [01:45] bug 551290 [01:45] Launchpad bug 551290 in kubuntu-default-settings "[lucid] Kubuntu theme on nvidia card too ugly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551290 [01:45] how does osx do it btw? [01:45] kubotu: topic restore === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 1 released! | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | String freeze in effect - change a GUI item without nixternal's approval and lose a finger! | Meeting Monday 23:00UTC [01:45] by having dedicated hardware [01:45] Maybe because default framebuffer is 16? === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 1 released! | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | String freeze in effect - change a GUI item without nixternal's approval and lose a finger! | Welcome DarkwingDuck and shtylman to the family \o/ [01:46] Riddell: I mean are they coherent at all? [01:46] IIRC they have that grey boot splash with the apple and a circle [01:46] I haven't used os X in years [01:46] * apachelogger thinks they dont have a different logins splash though [01:47] also we cant carry the plymouth theme to the ksplash because it is way too dark in comparisin with kde artwork ... so either we switch all artwork or none at all :( [01:48] genii: yes [01:49] genii: after that fix you game me... Now I'm having the problem you were. It's just flashing the bootsplash for a split second [01:49] bug 538512 [01:49] Launchpad bug 538512 in kubuntu-default-settings "Preconfigure font rendering settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538512 [01:49] shouldn that be done on some lowlevel thing anyway? [01:49] that "system" setting referred there must be coming from somewhere [01:50] DarkwingDuck: Whats weird is, it worked great for me for a while, but after last dist-upgrade is back to the bootup/shutdown brief flash (but at least now at right resolution) [01:51] genii: Yeah, it did fix the resolution problem for grub for me. [01:52] When I get my desktop setup this weekend with the nvidea card I'll lok deeper at it [01:52] YAY I get the keys to my house on Wednesday [01:54] I think I'm going to design a Kubuntu-Devel t-shirt... Something like... "Yeah it's my fault" on the back and the Kubuntu logo on the front [01:56] genii: the other strange thing is my shutdown is just fine. it's only bootup that is messed up [01:57] DarkwingDuck: Same here right now [01:57] genii: 64bit? [01:58] DarkwingDuck: Yes [01:58] genii: not here... Hmmm... [01:59] DarkwingDuck: Linux acer64 2.6.32-18-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 26 21:13:44 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [02:00] kubotu: order captain [02:00] * kubotu adds Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and cola in a ice-filled pint glass, garnishes with a lime. Arrrr yer captain co-ho-hola apachelogger! But watch out that the captain doesn't let the apprentice navigate... [02:00] kubotu: cheers! [02:00] genii: ahhhh crap. I have not used that command in forever... my mind just shot me [02:00] !nixternal [02:00] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! I LOVE MIRC!!! [02:00] :D [02:01] * genii contemplates pointy-clicky Mirc lovers [02:03] * apachelogger scratches head [02:03] mirc is the cool [02:03] it can everything [02:04] so what was the decision of the logo talks of 2010? [02:04] 8 [02:04] at least for beta2 [02:04] I miss mirc actually [02:04] then see what people think [02:04] gotcha [02:05] I liked 8... except now I have to change some stuff around a bit [02:06] * apachelogger doesnt get that freetype stuff [02:06] DarkwingDuck: what do you have to change? [02:07] shtylman: Stickers... mug... tattoos (kidding) [02:07] haha [02:07] Although... a kubuntu tattoo would be fun. Wife might kill me though [02:07] probly [02:08] * maco is learning how to do python docs [02:08] I'm working on my sleeve.. i'll toss it in there somewhere. [02:08] heh [02:08] hm [02:08] maco: that sounds dirty [02:08] nixternal: you gonna update the plymouth theme for beta2 ? [02:08] maco: _very_ [02:09] apachelogger: +1 [02:09] apachelogger: :P im a python noob. i'm making those """comments""" and reading the python doc styleguide to see how they like them to look [02:09] real programmers use doxygen :P [02:09] shtylman: I think nixternal is going to freak about it... He complains that he isn't a graphics guys [02:10] * apachelogger start singing [02:10] * DarkwingDuck stabs apachelogger. doxygen [02:10] haha [02:10] alright... I will help him out then :) [02:10] :) [02:10] I used to lack when I was a kid with photoshop... have not played with gimp so much [02:10] s/lack/back [02:10] http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/ex1-sexy/API/html/classCharacter.html [02:11] nothings like good old doxygen mess ^^ [02:12] apachelogger: doxygen's docs tell me that doxygen can use python """ comments just fine [02:13] * apachelogger notes that austrian radio still comes with bad music and switches to flogging molly's latest album [02:13] maco: that is no excuse to use that silly """ thing though :P [02:13] anyhow [02:13] apachelogger: it also makes help(foo) work [02:13] let me rephrase my statement [02:14] i checked in kdeedu and the other python apps in there use """ not ## [02:14] real programmers use doxygen and don't use python :P [02:14] PERL! [02:14] It's all about PERL [02:14] or lisp [02:14] or intel asm [02:16] toy asm is silly though ... http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/10468.html ;) [02:16] i only know mips asm [02:16] a gui using qbasic :D [02:16] ok im sitting in the library, and there's a group of people sitting in a circle talking loudly [02:16] WHY ARE THEY IN A LIBRARY IF THEY WANT TO TALK?! [02:16] lol [02:16] Go slap them [02:16] maco: why are people in a library just to play their windows startup sound [02:17] my theory is [02:17] because they can [02:17] * apachelogger is now always starting his kubuntu in uber loud mode while sitting in a lecture ^^ [02:17] hah [02:17] hehehe [02:17] right well i'm gonna go catch the train home [02:17] that said, I came to notice that the kde login and logout sounds are way too long [02:18] I used to have my computer say "Good morning Dave..." [02:18] both windows and mac have very short ones [02:18] ours is like [02:18] "hello how are you" [02:18] and theirs is like [02:18] "hi" [02:18] our shutdown sound is like [02:18] "good bye, I hope to see you again soon" [02:18] and theirs is like [02:18] "bye" [02:18] hehe [02:19] DarkwingDuck: that is the ultimate approach to this anyway ^^ [02:20] * apachelogger starts singing again [02:20] apachelogger: But of course. I wonder if ppl would freak if we changed the name of Kubuntu to SkyNET [02:21] My dad doesn't like the KDE startup sound. He says it sounds too much like Windows [02:21] DarkwingDuck: /whois kubotu [02:21] JontheEchidna: he last used windows 98 or something? :P [02:21] congrats DarkwingDuck and shtylman [02:21] JontheEchidna: I liked the old kubuntu startup sound [02:21] which logo was selected? Riddell gimme a logo and I will create a new plymouth screen for it [02:21] very nice one IMHO [02:21] shutdown sounds arerather pointless IMHO [02:21] apachelogger: something like that. He's been using unix since the late 80's [02:21] omg [02:22] how did he end up with lunix? [02:22] KDE looked the most like CDE at the time :P [02:22] Thanks nixternal. #8 was the choise [02:22] gotta link for the images again? [02:22] according to some assignment we handed in on wednesday I am currently running Ubuntu Lunix - Python Edition ^^ [02:22] lulz [02:22] apachelogger: ?? kubotu? [02:22] I sure do hope no one will ever read that [02:22] * genii is bothered by the term "lunix" since it's an actual distribution, for old Commodore 64 [02:23] genii: you are old, i loved lunix [02:23] the logo of that distro is the crap though [02:23] DarkwingDuck: yes [02:23] kubotu: say hi to DarkwingDuck [02:23] yo apachelogger [02:23] nixternal: I admit, i am ancient. [02:23] not to me you stupid robot! [02:24] DarkwingDuck: hi! [02:24] more like it [02:24] Hehe kubotu seems to have a mind of their own [02:24] Okay, someone is going have to point me to a page with these commands [02:24] ok, got the images... /me looks [02:24] #8 [02:24] bah, that one i didn't like [02:24] DarkwingDuck: what commands? [02:25] what do I do with kubotu now? [02:25] * DarkwingDuck is sooo lost with bots [02:25] hug it, pet it, feed it, dunno [02:25] oh...no #8 is ok...i just can't count [02:25] nixternal: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logos.png [02:25] #1 was my fav [02:25] nixternal: same urly with .svg is an svg [02:25] i had a plymouth boot with #1 that looked good too [02:25] not a psd, even though one might think so [02:26] I liked #8 actually [02:26] * nixternal gets to creating a new plymouth theme [02:26] kubotu: praise nixternal [02:26] * kubotu slaps nixternal heartily on the back [02:26] nixternal: Make this one work please? :P [02:26] lol [02:26] kubotu: lart DarkwingDuck [02:26] * kubotu whacks DarkwingDuck with the cluebat [02:26] DarkwingDuck: get a real computer [02:27] Oo [02:27] omg, lart! you freakin' mirc lover [02:27] mirc!!! [02:27] !nixternal [02:27] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Windows7 lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, and help on the MIRC client too! I LOVE MIRC!!! [02:27] !visternal [02:27] !seventernal [02:27] oh, that one doesn't work anymore [02:27] damn that hobbsee [02:27] I miss hobbsee [02:27] ubottu: silly robot, stop querying me :P [02:27] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:28] ubottu: Get a life [02:28] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:28] kubotu: Help [02:28] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help help' [02:28] ROFL [02:28] kubotu: 8ball can ubottu be any more stupid? [02:28] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me? [02:28] I really dunno :P [02:28] kubotu: 8ball why the hell did I ask you? [02:28] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me? [02:28] :( [02:28] !apachelogger [02:28] kubotu: lart kubotu [02:28] * kubotu forces apachelogger to listen to only emo music for trying to make me lart myself [02:28] Oo [02:28] omg [02:29] LOL [02:29] kubotu: opinion nixternal [02:29] hm, at some point there was an opinion plugin [02:29] kubotu: help [02:29] help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 51 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, lastfm, markov, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut, [02:29] script, search, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver (help for more info) [02:30] kubotu: help excuse [02:30] excuse => supply a random excuse [02:30] oh [02:30] kubotu: excuse [02:30] Yeah, yo mama dresses you funny and you need a mouse to delete files. [02:30] handy [02:30] kubotu: karma apachelogger [02:31] karma for apachelogger: 14 [02:31] hmm... [02:31] kubotu: karma nixternal [02:31] karma for nixternal: 3 [02:31] What is the karma based off of? [02:31] kubotu: karma DarkwingDuck [02:31] DarkwingDuck has neutral karma [02:31] DarkwingDuck++ [02:31] kubotu: karma DarkwingDuck [02:31] karma for DarkwingDuck: 1 [02:32] kubotu: karma c [02:32] karma for c: 240 [02:32] ;) [02:32] kubotu: karma Riddell [02:32] karma for Riddell: 6 [02:32] ROFL [02:32] Hm [02:32] kubotu: karma JontheEchidna [02:32] karma for JontheEchidna: 10 [02:32] \o/ [02:32] JontheEchidna-- [02:32] :P [02:32] D: [02:32] JontheEchidna++ [02:32] :( [02:32] :D [02:32] \o/ [02:32] * apachelogger hugs everyone [02:33] * DarkwingDuck has to lookup hostmasks [02:33] kubotu: whois apachelogger [02:33] that would be useful :( [02:35] config add linkbot from plugins.blacklist [02:36] kubotu: config add linkbot from plugins.blacklist [02:36] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help config' [02:36] meh [02:39] kubotu: googlefight [02:39] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight' [02:39] kubotu: googlefight nixternal [02:39] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight' [02:39] BAH [02:39] AH [02:40] kubotu: googlefight apachelogger Riddell [02:40] Riddell (2,390,000) vs. apachelogger (84,100) -- Riddell wins! [02:40] oh my [02:41] LOL [02:41] kubotu: reaction [02:41] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help reaction' [02:41] Hehe 2,390,000 [02:41] kubotu: react [02:41] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help react' [02:41] kubotu: help react [02:41] react to with [at chance] => create a new reaction to expression to which the bot will reply , optionally at chance , seek help for reaction trigger, reaction reply and reaction chance for more details [02:42] oh, boring [02:42] kubotu: weather [02:42] kubotu: wserver microsoft.com [02:42] microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 [02:42] microsoft.com redirects to http://www.microsoft.com [02:42] www.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/7.5 [02:43] Man. You guys have some weird ways in here when yer bored [02:44] LOL genii This is the problem wit being a doc guy. [02:44] I really should learn packaging [02:44] no run away [02:44] you don't need to :) [02:44] kubotu: uno [02:44] Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in [02:44] jo [02:44] apachelogger joins this game of UNO! [02:44] LOL [02:44] jo [02:44] jjesse joins this game of UNO! [02:44] game will start in 20 seconds [02:44]