[00:00] <rgreening> Im here apachelogger. Im big enuff for 4 peeps :)
[00:01]  * claydoh is at work, so will only be monitoring
[00:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: the idea is to specifically locate areas where ko leaks behind, in cooperation with upstream so that they have feedback to hold on to and we have some idea how far ko is away from becoming default
[00:05] <nixternal> apachelogger: roger that, I would like to work on that with you
[00:05] <nixternal> I have to go though
[00:06]  * apachelogger kisses nixternal goodbye
[00:09]  * Tm_T huggles DarkwingDuck
[00:09] <DarkwingDuck> YAY!
[00:11] <genii> Heh
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, one milestone marked
[00:12] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: cloak next (that's easy now)
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> Cloak? childs play... I'm trying to port to alt universes so I can work 24/7
[00:14] <Tm_T> I've been trying to do that last couple centuries
[00:15] <DarkwingDuck> I can get there... getting the others back here was a bit harder
[00:15]  * Tm_T huggles shtylman too
[00:16] <apachelogger> shtylman, DarkwingDuck: you both are accepted into kubuntu-members, usual membership benefits should become available in a couple of days
[00:16] <shtylman> apachelogger: noted :)
[00:16] <DarkwingDuck> thanks apachelogger
[00:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you come any further on the akonadi stuff btw?
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: still need to file a bug against mysql
[00:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: know what exactly needs splitting?
[00:48] <apachelogger> nope
[00:48] <apachelogger> but it is quite some stuff
[00:48] <apachelogger> at least 3 scripts + a couple of sql files
[00:57] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I use droid too :)
[01:03] <Tm_T> Nightrose: sleep well
[01:06]  * apachelogger uses droid on the netbook and liberation on the laptop
[01:06] <apachelogger> droid looks kinda weird on large screens IMHO ^^
[01:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica update live from meeting: !kubuntu 10.04 will be using liberation as default font
[01:07] <kubotu> status updated
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> how do I set my identica up with kubotu?
[01:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: help identica
[01:08] <kubotu> identica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)
[01:08] <apachelogger> identica identify [username] [password]
[01:08] <apachelogger> in a query :P
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> yupyup
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: identica update Yay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw
[01:10] <kubotu> status updated
[01:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: choqok is not on the netbook image?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: identica status jontheechidna
[01:10] <kubotu> Yay, no more pasty-white-boy colorscheme for !kubuntu 10.04, Oxygen defaults ftw (2 minutes and 13 seconds ago via rbot)
[01:10] <apachelogger> blogilo also shoudl go there
[01:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: It should be.  Was it added to kubuntu-desktop instead of kubuntu-common?
[01:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: dunno, it was not on my installation from a couple of days ago
[01:12] <apachelogger> no rdepends at all
[01:14] <ryanakca> order apachelogger a cookie
[01:15] <ryanakca> kubotu: order apachelogger a cookie
[01:15]  * kubotu slides apachelogger a cookie down the bar to ryanakca
[01:15] <ryanakca> There :P
[01:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[01:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's not in desktop either
[01:17] <JontheEchidna> It's only 326k; we have the space
[01:17] <apachelogger> well
[01:17] <apachelogger> I am not sure we want it on the desktop TBH
[01:17]  * apachelogger could live without it on the desktop ;)
[01:18] <ScottK> Doesn't the plasmoid provide enough?
[01:18] <Riddell> choqok is only on the dvd because there is already the plasmoid
[01:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: I find it a bit of a PITA to use the plasmoid on the netbook, since the windows are all fullscreen
[01:18] <txwikinger> Is it a feature that we have an ubuntu flash screen in Kubuntu?
[01:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Well you can add it to the newspaper
[01:19] <JontheEchidna> Ubuntu flash screen?
[01:19] <ScottK> txwikinger: We shouldn't since yesterday
[01:19] <keffie_jayx> to report a bug in plasma-netbook the package is kdebase-workspace?
[01:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but still involves that I switch to the newspaper
[01:19] <ScottK> keffie_jayx: Yes
[01:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Well that's what it's meant to be used for.
[01:19] <neversfelde> Riddell, markey: The crash on startup fix should be also available for karmic
[01:19] <apachelogger> maybe it is just me, but I mostly jump between apps and the launcher
[01:19] <txwikinger> ScottK: ok I will try to upgrade then
[01:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, in that case only blogilo needs to be added
[01:20] <apachelogger> because that can not be done via a plasmoid :P
[01:20] <ScottK> OK.
[01:20] <ScottK> I'm fine with that if it's already in Main.
[01:20] <apachelogger> should be, I think it is part of kdepim nowadays
[01:20] <ScottK> It is
[01:20] <apachelogger> !info blogilo lucid
[01:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you have time, please added it :)
[01:20] <ScottK> But not all binaries are necessarily in Main
[01:20]  * apachelogger cant push due to lack of keys
[01:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but it is only a matter of promotion, isnt it?
[01:21] <apachelogger> since the source is in main anyway
[01:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you mind a binary promotion to put blogilo on the netbook image?
[01:21] <ScottK> As long as Riddell ack's it, I'm fine with it.
[01:23] <apachelogger> k
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, have I showed you my strigi patches? http://pastebin.com/4mVSd76g
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> hmm, forgot to document the "tray icon is always in the hidden area of the tray" bit
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> in debian/changelog
[01:25] <Riddell> ScottK: fine with me
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> plus I guess I'll need to update things for 4.4.2
[01:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: they seem good.  you should get upstream to ack them in line with our patch policy
[01:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: should I upload for beta 2?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: they'd probably be ok with at least the RAM detection bit, but would we want to go against their wishes for the notifications bit for the sake of usability, if they disagree with hiding most of the notifications?
[01:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: if we felt strongly we could, yes, but we should at least ask them for an opinion
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> k, I'll ping trueg
[01:30] <Riddell> the patch policy was your idea was it not? :)
[01:30] <apachelogger> patches--
[01:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMHO the always hiding is a bit drastical
[01:30] <apachelogger> I think it would suffice to create a timeout
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: but the tray icon is always jumping about from hiding to the active place in the tray, very distracting
[01:30] <apachelogger> so you would only see that beasty if scan is taking longer than say 10 seconds
[01:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is the point, it is notifying you of its activity :P
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I don't really care about its activity, and I'm sure most of our normal usecase won't either
[01:31] <apachelogger> it just doesnt need to do so if it only scans one file for one second
[01:32] <apachelogger> but if it is scanning for a considerable amount of time it makes sense to give feedback, so a user knows why the system is slow
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm, you have a point
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> I'd maybe bump it to not change to Active for at least 30 seconds, though
[01:32] <JontheEchidna> maybe 20
[01:33] <apachelogger> also I suppose there should be a minimum show time of 10 seconds
[01:33] <apachelogger> that also helps with preventing too much jumping
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I don't think the patch policy says that we have to get approval for every patch, but on a cyclical basis lay out what we have
[01:33] <apachelogger> because otherwise you might show it after 20 seconds and after 23 it is done scanning and jumpyness is appearing all over again
[01:34]  * apachelogger thinks this minimum-timeout should be implemented in the kstatusnotifieritem itself really
[01:35] <apachelogger> technically any app could cause that jumpyness and in neihter case it is a good thing
[01:35] <JontheEchidna> though with a behavior change like that I suppose it would be curteous to let upstream know, in case of bugreports for the change
[01:36] <apachelogger> it should be changed upstream anyway :P
[01:36] <apachelogger> cause the implementation is broken
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> the RAM detection patch could potentially go upstream, but it is a bit non-cross-platform, plus relies on the distributor placing a custom config key in the nepomukserverrc (if it's not there, it's totally safe too)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> I stole some of the ram detection code from plasma-desktop, and it had a crapton of ifdef's for freebsd, mac, win and the like
[01:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Seeded.  Just need Riddell to promote it now so we can update kubuntu-meta.
[01:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[01:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose it needs some ifdefs then ;)
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: plus porting the relavent bits from plasma, sorta bleh
[01:40] <apachelogger> well
[01:40] <apachelogger> plasma :P
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> akonadi/kdepim haxX0ring is worse
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> I can not for the life of me figure out how to make the kres migrator stop from running on startup *on a clean machine*
[01:42] <Riddell> ScottK: promoted
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> apparently some of its default resources are created as old resources that need migrating to akonadi resources :/
[01:43] <apachelogger> bug 551237
[01:43] <apachelogger> we should make the plymouth theme use the kde default wallpaper
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> Aside from crowding the first startup with a dialog, it starts the entire akonadi stack, wasting 30 MB RAM by default
[01:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm told that doesn't work well
[01:43] <apachelogger> and add such a box effect thingy as seen on kdm and ksplash
[01:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: :(
[01:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's why ubuntu desktop uses a plain theme
[01:44] <apachelogger> then I must wontfix that bug I suppose
[01:44] <Riddell> kwwii would know the details
[01:44] <apachelogger> well, plymouth only works in 16bit on nvidia binary drivers I have read
[01:44] <apachelogger> so that might be the problem
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> that bug conflicts with the one about it looking crap on nvidia
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> plymouth dudes say our theme should be 16bit friendly
[01:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, it just implies that we make the kde desktop ugly :P
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> bug 551290
[01:45] <apachelogger> how does osx do it btw?
[01:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[01:45] <Riddell> by having dedicated hardware
[01:45] <genii> Maybe because default framebuffer is 16?
[01:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I mean are they coherent at all?
[01:46] <apachelogger> IIRC they have that grey boot splash with the apple and a circle
[01:46] <Riddell> I haven't used os X in years
[01:46]  * apachelogger thinks they dont have a different logins splash though
[01:47] <apachelogger> also we cant carry the plymouth theme to the ksplash because it is way too dark in comparisin with kde artwork ... so either we switch all artwork or none at all :(
[01:48] <lex79> genii: yes
[01:49] <DarkwingDuck> genii: after that fix you game me... Now I'm having the problem you were. It's just flashing the bootsplash for a split second
[01:49] <apachelogger> bug 538512
[01:49] <apachelogger> shouldn that be done on some lowlevel thing anyway?
[01:49] <apachelogger> that "system" setting referred there must be coming from somewhere
[01:50] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Whats weird is, it worked great for me for a while, but after last dist-upgrade is back to the bootup/shutdown brief flash (but at least now at right resolution)
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> genii: Yeah, it did fix the resolution problem for grub for me.
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> When I get my desktop setup this weekend with the nvidea card I'll lok deeper at it
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> YAY I get the keys to my house on Wednesday
[01:54] <DarkwingDuck> I think I'm going to design a Kubuntu-Devel t-shirt... Something like... "Yeah it's my fault" on the back and the Kubuntu logo on the front
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> genii: the other strange thing is my shutdown is just fine. it's only bootup that is messed up
[01:57] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Same here right now
[01:57] <DarkwingDuck> genii: 64bit?
[01:58] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Yes
[01:58] <DarkwingDuck> genii: not here... Hmmm...
[01:59] <genii> DarkwingDuck: Linux acer64 2.6.32-18-generic #27-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 26 21:13:44 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:00] <apachelogger> kubotu: order captain
[02:00]  * kubotu adds Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and cola in a ice-filled pint glass, garnishes with a lime. Arrrr yer captain co-ho-hola apachelogger! But watch out that the captain doesn't let the apprentice navigate...
[02:00] <apachelogger> kubotu: cheers!
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> genii: ahhhh crap. I have not used that command in forever... my mind just shot me
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> !nixternal
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[02:01]  * genii contemplates pointy-clicky Mirc lovers
[02:03]  * apachelogger scratches head
[02:03] <apachelogger> mirc is the cool
[02:03] <apachelogger> it can everything
[02:04] <shtylman> so what was the decision of the logo talks of 2010?
[02:04] <maco> 8
[02:04] <maco> at least for beta2
[02:04] <DarkwingDuck> I miss mirc actually
[02:04] <maco> then see what people think
[02:04] <shtylman> gotcha
[02:05] <DarkwingDuck> I liked 8... except now I have to change some stuff around a bit
[02:06]  * apachelogger doesnt get that freetype stuff
[02:06] <shtylman> DarkwingDuck: what do you have to change?
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> shtylman: Stickers... mug... tattoos (kidding)
[02:07] <shtylman> haha
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> Although... a kubuntu tattoo would be fun. Wife might kill me though
[02:07] <shtylman> probly
[02:08]  * maco is learning how to do python docs
[02:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'm working on my sleeve.. i'll toss it in there somewhere.
[02:08] <shtylman> heh
[02:08] <apachelogger> hm
[02:08] <apachelogger> maco: that sounds dirty
[02:08] <shtylman> nixternal: you gonna update the plymouth theme for beta2 ?
[02:08] <apachelogger> maco: _very_
[02:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: +1
[02:09] <maco> apachelogger: :P im a python noob. i'm making those """comments""" and reading the python doc styleguide to see how they like them to look
[02:09] <apachelogger> real programmers use doxygen :P
[02:09] <DarkwingDuck> shtylman: I think nixternal is going to freak about it... He complains that he isn't a graphics guys
[02:10]  * apachelogger start singing
[02:10]  * DarkwingDuck stabs apachelogger. doxygen
[02:10] <shtylman> haha
[02:10] <shtylman> alright... I will help him out then :)
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> I used to lack when I was a kid with photoshop... have not played with gimp so much
[02:10] <DarkwingDuck> s/lack/back
[02:10] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/ex1-sexy/API/html/classCharacter.html
[02:11] <apachelogger> nothings like good old doxygen mess ^^
[02:12] <maco> apachelogger: doxygen's docs tell me that doxygen can use python """ comments just fine
[02:13]  * apachelogger notes that austrian radio still comes with bad music and switches to flogging molly's latest album
[02:13] <apachelogger> maco: that is no excuse to use that silly  """ thing though :P
[02:13] <apachelogger> anyhow
[02:13] <maco> apachelogger: it also makes help(foo) work
[02:13] <apachelogger> let me rephrase my statement
[02:14] <maco> i checked in kdeedu and the other python apps in there use """ not ##
[02:14] <apachelogger> real programmers use doxygen and don't use python :P
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> PERL!
[02:14] <DarkwingDuck> It's all about PERL
[02:14] <apachelogger> or lisp
[02:14] <apachelogger> or intel asm
[02:16] <apachelogger> toy asm is silly though ... http://tugll.tugraz.at/91675/weblog/10468.html ;)
[02:16] <maco> i only know mips asm
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> a gui using qbasic :D
[02:16] <maco> ok im sitting in the library, and there's a group of people sitting in a circle talking loudly
[02:16] <maco> WHY ARE THEY IN A LIBRARY IF THEY WANT TO TALK?!
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[02:16] <DarkwingDuck> Go slap them
[02:16] <apachelogger> maco: why are people in a library just to play their windows startup sound
[02:17] <apachelogger> my theory is
[02:17] <apachelogger> because they can
[02:17]  * apachelogger is now always starting his kubuntu in uber loud mode while sitting in a lecture ^^
[02:17] <maco> hah
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[02:17] <maco> right well i'm gonna go catch the train home
[02:17] <apachelogger> that said, I came to notice that the kde login and logout sounds are way too long
[02:18] <DarkwingDuck> I used to have my computer say "Good morning Dave..."
[02:18] <apachelogger> both windows and mac have very short ones
[02:18] <apachelogger> ours is like
[02:18] <apachelogger> "hello how are you"
[02:18] <apachelogger> and theirs is like
[02:18] <apachelogger> "hi"
[02:18] <apachelogger> our shutdown sound is like
[02:18] <apachelogger> "good bye, I hope to see you again soon"
[02:18] <apachelogger> and theirs is like
[02:18] <apachelogger> "bye"
[02:18] <ryanakca> hehe
[02:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: that is the ultimate approach to this anyway ^^
[02:20]  * apachelogger starts singing again
[02:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: But of course. I wonder if ppl would freak if we changed the name of Kubuntu to SkyNET
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> My dad doesn't like the KDE startup sound. He says it sounds too much like Windows
[02:21] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: /whois kubotu
[02:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: he last used windows 98 or something? :P
[02:21] <nixternal> congrats DarkwingDuck and shtylman
[02:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I liked the old kubuntu startup sound
[02:21] <nixternal> which logo was selected? Riddell gimme a logo and I will create a new plymouth screen for it
[02:21] <apachelogger> very nice one IMHO
[02:21] <apachelogger> shutdown sounds arerather pointless IMHO
[02:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: something like that. He's been using unix since the late 80's
[02:21] <apachelogger> omg
[02:22] <apachelogger> how did he end up with lunix?
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> KDE looked the most like CDE at the time :P
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks nixternal. #8 was the choise
[02:22] <nixternal> gotta link for the images again?
[02:22] <apachelogger> according to some assignment we handed in on wednesday I am currently running Ubuntu Lunix - Python Edition ^^
[02:22] <JontheEchidna> lulz
[02:22] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ?? kubotu?
[02:22] <apachelogger> I sure do hope no one will ever read that
[02:22]  * genii is bothered by the term "lunix" since it's an actual distribution, for old Commodore 64
[02:23] <nixternal> genii: you are old, i loved lunix
[02:23] <apachelogger> the logo of that distro is the crap though
[02:23] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes
[02:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: say hi to DarkwingDuck
[02:23] <kubotu> yo apachelogger
[02:23] <genii> nixternal: I admit, i am ancient.
[02:23] <apachelogger> not to me you stupid robot!
[02:24] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck: hi!
[02:24] <apachelogger> more like it
[02:24] <genii> Hehe kubotu seems to have a mind of their own
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, someone is going have to point me to a page with these commands
[02:24] <nixternal> ok, got the images... /me looks
[02:24] <DarkwingDuck> #8
[02:24] <nixternal> bah, that one i didn't like
[02:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: what commands?
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> what do I do with kubotu now?
[02:25]  * DarkwingDuck is sooo lost with bots
[02:25] <apachelogger> hug it, pet it, feed it, dunno
[02:25] <nixternal> oh...no #8 is ok...i just can't count
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logos.png
[02:25] <nixternal> #1 was my fav
[02:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: same urly with .svg is an svg
[02:25] <nixternal> i had a plymouth boot with #1 that looked good too
[02:25] <apachelogger> not a psd, even though one might think so
[02:26] <DarkwingDuck> I liked #8 actually
[02:26]  * nixternal gets to creating a new plymouth theme
[02:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: praise nixternal
[02:26]  * kubotu slaps nixternal heartily on the back
[02:26] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Make this one work please? :P
[02:26] <apachelogger> lol
[02:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart DarkwingDuck
[02:26]  * kubotu whacks DarkwingDuck with the cluebat
[02:26] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: get a real computer
[02:27] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:27] <nixternal> omg, lart! you freakin' mirc lover
[02:27] <apachelogger> mirc!!!
[02:27] <nixternal> !nixternal
[02:27] <nixternal> !visternal
[02:27] <apachelogger> !seventernal
[02:27] <nixternal> oh, that one doesn't work anymore
[02:27] <nixternal> damn that hobbsee
[02:27] <nixternal> I miss hobbsee
[02:27] <apachelogger> ubottu: silly robot, stop querying me :P
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: Get a life
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: Help
[02:28] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help help'
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[02:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball can ubottu be any more stupid?
[02:28]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?
[02:28] <apachelogger> I really dunno :P
[02:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball why the hell did I ask you?
[02:28]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?
[02:28] <apachelogger> :(
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> !apachelogger
[02:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart kubotu
[02:28]  * kubotu forces apachelogger to listen to only emo music for trying to make me lart myself
[02:28] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:28] <apachelogger> omg
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: opinion nixternal
[02:29] <apachelogger> hm, at some point there was an opinion plugin
[02:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: help
[02:29] <kubotu> help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 51 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, lastfm, markov, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut,
[02:29] <kubotu> script, search, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver (help <topic> for more info)
[02:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: help excuse
[02:30] <kubotu> excuse => supply a random excuse
[02:30] <apachelogger> oh
[02:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: excuse
[02:30] <kubotu> Yeah, yo mama dresses you funny and you need a mouse to delete files.
[02:30] <apachelogger> handy
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: karma apachelogger
[02:31] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 14
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> hmm...
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: karma nixternal
[02:31] <kubotu> karma for nixternal: 3
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> What is the karma based off of?
[02:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma DarkwingDuck
[02:31] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck has neutral karma
[02:31] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck++
[02:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma DarkwingDuck
[02:31] <kubotu> karma for DarkwingDuck: 1
[02:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma c
[02:32] <kubotu> karma for c: 240
[02:32] <apachelogger> ;)
[02:32] <genii> kubotu: karma Riddell
[02:32] <kubotu> karma for Riddell: 6
[02:32] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[02:32] <genii> Hm
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: karma JontheEchidna
[02:32] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 10
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna--
[02:32] <apachelogger> :P
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> D:
[02:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[02:32] <apachelogger> :(
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:32] <apachelogger> \o/
[02:32]  * apachelogger hugs everyone
[02:33]  * DarkwingDuck has to lookup hostmasks
[02:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: whois apachelogger
[02:33] <apachelogger> that would be useful :(
[02:35] <apachelogger> config add linkbot from plugins.blacklist
[02:36] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add linkbot from plugins.blacklist
[02:36] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help config'
[02:36] <apachelogger> meh
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: googlefight
[02:39] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight'
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: googlefight nixternal
[02:39] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight'
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> BAH
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> AH
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu:  googlefight apachelogger Riddell
[02:40] <kubotu> Riddell (2,390,000) vs. apachelogger (84,100) -- Riddell wins!
[02:40] <apachelogger> oh my
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:41] <apachelogger> kubotu: reaction
[02:41] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help reaction'
[02:41] <genii> Hehe 2,390,000
[02:41] <apachelogger> kubotu: react
[02:41] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help react'
[02:41] <apachelogger> kubotu: help react
[02:41] <kubotu> react to <trigger> with <reply> [at <chance> chance] => create a new reaction to expression <trigger> to which the bot will reply <reply>, optionally at chance <chance>, seek help for reaction trigger, reaction reply and reaction chance for more details
[02:42] <apachelogger> oh, boring
[02:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather
[02:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: wserver microsoft.com
[02:42] <kubotu> microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0
[02:42] <kubotu> microsoft.com redirects to http://www.microsoft.com
[02:42] <kubotu> www.microsoft.com is running Microsoft-IIS/7.5
[02:43] <genii> Man. You guys have some weird ways in here when yer bored
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> LOL genii This is the problem wit being a doc guy.
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> I really should learn packaging
[02:44] <jjesse> no run away
[02:44] <jjesse> you don't need to :)
[02:44] <apachelogger> kubotu: uno
[02:44] <kubotu> Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in
[02:44] <apachelogger> jo
[02:44] <kubotu> apachelogger joins this game of UNO!
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:44] <jjesse> jo
[02:44] <kubotu> jjesse joins this game of UNO!
[02:44] <kubotu> game will start in 20 seconds
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> jo
[02:44] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck joins this game of UNO!
[02:44] <apachelogger> genii: you better hurry :P
[02:44] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: jjesse DarkwingDuck apachelogger
[02:44] <kubotu> jjesse deals the first card from the stock
[02:44] <kubotu> Current discard:  Blue +2
[02:45] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[02:45] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:45]  * genii twitches
[02:45] <genii> jo
[02:45] <kubotu> genii joins this game of UNO!
[02:45] <jjesse> so what do i do?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> ji
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> Discard Red 2
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> jo
[02:45] <kubotu> JontheEchidna joins this game of UNO!
[02:45] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: Discard Red 2
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: Discard Blue 3
[02:46] <apachelogger> you get a query from kubotu
[02:46] <apachelogger> with your cards
[02:46] <apachelogger> help uno
[02:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno
[02:46] <kubotu> UNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to
[02:46] <kubotu> select Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: pl r2
[02:46] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: pl b3
[02:46] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[02:46] <DarkwingDuck> ???
[02:47] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do you even have those cards? :P
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> tu
[02:47] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> hrm, interesting
[02:47] <jjesse> kubotu ca
[02:47] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck: 7, apachelogger: 7, jjesse: 7, genii: 7, JontheEchidna: 7
[02:47] <DarkwingDuck> pl b3
[02:47] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[02:48] <jjesse> cd
[02:48] <kubotu> Current discard:  Blue +2
[02:48] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[02:48] <jjesse> kubotu: cd
[02:48] <kubotu> Current discard:  Blue +2
[02:48] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[02:48] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[02:48] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you can only play another + or you need to pick
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> right... and I have a blue 3
[02:48] <apachelogger> pe is the way to go I suppose
[02:48] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: that's not a a draw 2 card
[02:48] <jjesse> kubotu: pe
[02:48] <kubotu> It's not your turn
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh... NM
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> pe
[02:48] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!
[02:48] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[02:48] <apachelogger> pl g+2
[02:48] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Green +2
[02:48] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[02:48] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:49] <jjesse> pl g3
[02:49] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[02:49] <jjesse> pe
[02:49] <kubotu> jjesse passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!
[02:49] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:49] <genii> kubotu: pl g+7
[02:49] <kubotu> you don't have that card
[02:49] <apachelogger> btw, it is a good idea to use quassel's chat monitor and limit it to kubotu's query, so you dont need to switch to the query to see your cards :)
[02:49] <genii> hm??
[02:49] <apachelogger> genii: without +
[02:49] <apachelogger> green 7 = g7
[02:49] <genii> kubotu: pl g7
[02:49] <kubotu> genii plays  Green 7
[02:49] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> pe
[02:50] <kubotu> JontheEchidna picks a card
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> pa
[02:50] <kubotu> JontheEchidna passes turn
[02:50] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> pl grs
[02:50] <kubotu> what cards were that again?
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> pl gs
[02:50] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Green Skip
[02:50] <kubotu> apachelogger skips a turn!
[02:50] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart DarkwingDuck
[02:50]  * kubotu makes DarkwingDuck watch reruns of "Blue's Clues"
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> haha
[02:51] <jjesse> cd
[02:51] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green Skip
[02:51] <jjesse> pl gr3
[02:51] <kubotu> what cards were that again?
[02:51] <genii> apachelogger: No kubotu update after you play a card stating your current cards minus the one you just played
[02:51] <jjesse> plg3
[02:51] <jjesse> pl g3
[02:51] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Green 3
[02:51] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:51] <apachelogger> genii: nope, only when its your turn again
[02:51] <genii> kubotu: pl gr
[02:51] <kubotu> genii plays  Green Reverse
[02:51] <kubotu> Playing order was reversed!
[02:51] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> D:
[02:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie for JontheEchidna
[02:52]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[02:52]  * JontheEchidna noms
[02:52] <jjesse> pl br
[02:52] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Blue Reverse
[02:52] <kubotu> Playing order was reversed!
[02:52] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> :D
[02:52] <apachelogger> oh my
[02:52] <genii> pl b9
[02:52] <kubotu> genii plays  Blue 9
[02:52] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> pl b1
[02:52] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Blue 1
[02:52] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:53] <DarkwingDuck> pl b3
[02:53] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Blue 3
[02:53] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[02:53] <apachelogger> hm
[02:53] <apachelogger> play blue 4
[02:53] <apachelogger> pl b4
[02:53] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Blue 4
[02:53] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:53] <jjesse> pl y4
[02:53] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Yellow 4
[02:53] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:54] <genii> pl y5
[02:54] <kubotu> genii plays  Yellow 5
[02:54] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> pl y7r7
[02:54] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> pl y7
[02:54] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Yellow 7
[02:54] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> pl y9
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> oh wellz, was worth a shot
[02:54] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Yellow 9
[02:54] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[02:54] <apachelogger> yellow is a silly color
[02:54] <apachelogger> pl y1
[02:54] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Yellow 1
[02:54] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:55] <jjesse> ppe
[02:55] <jjesse> pe
[02:55] <kubotu> jjesse picks a card
[02:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: doesnt that only work with the very same card?
[02:55] <jjesse> pl y8
[02:55] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Yellow 8
[02:55] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: i.e. is allowed
[02:55] <genii> pl y1
[02:55] <kubotu> genii plays  Yellow 1
[02:55] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I guess. I've seen tons of different UNO rules irl
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> cd
[02:55] <kubotu> Current discard:  Yellow 1
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> pe
[02:55] <kubotu> JontheEchidna picks a card
[02:55] <apachelogger> because no one reads them properly :P
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> pa
[02:55] <kubotu> JontheEchidna passes turn
[02:55] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:55] <apachelogger> help uno rules
[02:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno rules
[02:55] <kubotu> play all your cards, one at a time, by matching either the color or the value of the currently discarded card. cards with special effects: Skip (next player skips a turn), Reverse (reverses the playing order), +2 (next player has to take 2 cards). Wilds can be played on any card, and you must specify the color for the next card. Wild +4 also forces the next player to take 4 cards, but it can only be played if you can't
[02:55] <kubotu> play a color card. you can play another +2 or +4 card on a +2 card, and a +4 on a +4, forcing the first player who can't play one to pick the cumulative sum of all cards. you can also play a Reverse on a +2 or +4, bouncing the effect back to the previous player (that now comes next).
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> pl g1
[02:55] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Green 1
[02:55] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[02:56] <apachelogger> hm
[02:56] <apachelogger> who is next?
[02:56] <apachelogger> :P
[02:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: help uno
[02:56] <kubotu> UNO! game. !uno to start a game. see 'help uno rules' for the rules, 'help uno admin' for admin commands, 'help uno score' for scoring rules. In-game commands: 'jo' to join in; 'pl <card>' to play <card>: e.g. 'pl g7' to play Green 7, or 'pl rr' to play Red Reverse, or 'pl y2y2' to play both Yellow 2 cards; 'pe' to pick a card; 'pa' to pass your turn; 'co <color>' to pick a color after playing a Wild: e.g. 'co g' to
[02:56] <kubotu> select Green (or 'pl w+4 g' to select the color when playing the Wild); 'ca' to show current cards; 'cd' to show the current discard; 'ch' to challenge a Wild +4; 'od' to show the playing order; 'ti' to show play time; 'tu' to show whose turn it is.
[02:56] <apachelogger> ti
[02:56] <kubotu> This UNO! game has been going on for 11 minutes and 19 seconds
[02:56] <genii> DarkwingDuck
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> genii: what up?
[02:56] <genii> no, apachelogger
[02:56] <genii> "who is next" etc
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh..
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> od
[02:56] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: apachelogger jjesse genii JontheEchidna DarkwingDuck
[02:56] <apachelogger> ah
[02:56] <apachelogger> thx
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm, thought there was a scoring thing...
[02:56] <apachelogger> wlel, I like jjesse :P
[02:57] <apachelogger> cd
[02:57] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green 1
[02:57] <apachelogger> pl g4
[02:57] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Green 4
[02:57] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> ca
[02:57] <kubotu> jjesse: 6, genii: 2, JontheEchidna: 7, DarkwingDuck: 5, apachelogger: 3
[02:57] <jjesse> do'h
[02:57] <jjesse> cd
[02:57] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green 4
[02:57] <jjesse> pe
[02:57] <kubotu> jjesse picks a card
[02:57] <jjesse> pa
[02:57] <kubotu> jjesse passes turn
[02:57] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:57]  * apachelogger sings float 
[02:57] <genii> hm
[02:58] <genii> pl w+4 g
[02:58] <kubotu> genii plays  Wild +4
[02:58] <kubotu> genii has UNO!!
[02:58] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards
[02:58] <kubotu> color is now  Green
[02:58] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[02:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[02:58] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Float" by Flogging Molly [http://open.spotify.com/track/6CCXU7qAZqFcRgtXHutLgM] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> :(
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> pe
[02:58] <kubotu> JontheEchidna passes turn, and has to pick 4 cards!
[02:58] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> cd
[02:58] <kubotu> Current discard:  Wild +4   Green
[02:58] <jjesse> ouch 4 cards?
[02:58] <jjesse> that hurt
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> ca
[02:58] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck: 5, apachelogger: 3, jjesse: 7, genii: 1, JontheEchidna: 11
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> pl g8
[02:58] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Green 8
[02:58] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[02:58] <apachelogger> better than 8 i suppose
[02:59] <apachelogger> pl w+4 y
[02:59] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Wild +4
[02:59] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards
[02:59] <kubotu> color is now  Yellow
[02:59] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[02:59] <apachelogger> :P
[02:59] <jjesse> cd
[02:59] <kubotu> Current discard:  Wild +4   Yellow
[02:59] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 4 cards
[02:59] <jjesse> pa
[02:59] <kubotu> jjesse passes turn, and has to pick 4 cards!
[02:59] <kubotu> it's genii's turn
[02:59] <jjesse> bummer
[02:59] <genii> pl w
[02:59] <kubotu> genii plays  Wild
[02:59] <kubotu> UNO! game finished after 14 minutes and 45 seconds! The winner is genii
[02:59] <kubotu> JontheEchidna still had  Blue 4   Blue 5   Blue 6   Red 2   Red 4   Red 5   Red 7   Red Reverse   Yellow 9   Yellow Reverse   Yellow Skip
[02:59] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck still had  Green 2   Green 5   Red 2   Red 4
[02:59] <kubotu> apachelogger still had  Green Skip   Yellow 2
[02:59] <kubotu> jjesse still had  Blue 8   Green Reverse   Red 1   Red 3   Red 9   Red 9   Red Reverse   Red Skip   Wild   Wild +4   Yellow +2
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:59] <apachelogger> omg
[02:59] <kubotu> genii wins with 347 points!
[02:59] <apachelogger> cheator!!!
[03:00] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart genii
[03:00]  * kubotu gives genii a 2 guage Prince Albert
[03:00] <apachelogger> ^^
[03:00] <jjesse> garg
[03:00] <apachelogger> omg!
[03:00] <jjesse> ju
[03:00]  * genii does a coffee-coffee-coffee dance
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[03:00] <jjesse> cd
[03:00] <jjesse> join
[03:00] <jjesse> kubotu:  join
[03:00] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help join'
[03:00] <jjesse> kubotu: help join
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> jo
[03:00] <kubotu> join <channel> [<key>] => join channel <channel> with secret key <key> if specified. kubotu also responds to invites if you have the required access level
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> !uno
[03:00] <jjesse> kubotu: start uno
[03:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuto uses ~
[03:00] <jjesse> kubotu: uno
[03:00] <kubotu> Ok, created UNO! game on #kubuntu-devel, say 'jo' to join in
[03:00] <apachelogger> ~uno
[03:00] <kubotu> There is already an UNO! game running here, managed by jjesse. say 'jo' to join in
[03:00] <apachelogger> ~jo
[03:00] <kubotu> apachelogger joins this game of UNO!
[03:00] <jjesse> jo
[03:00] <kubotu> jjesse joins this game of UNO!
[03:00] <kubotu> game will start in 20 seconds
[03:00] <DarkwingDuck> jo
[03:00] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck joins this game of UNO!
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> ~jo
[03:00] <kubotu> JontheEchidna joins this game of UNO!
[03:01] <kubotu> UNO! playing turn: apachelogger jjesse DarkwingDuck JontheEchidna
[03:01] <kubotu> apachelogger deals the first card from the stock
[03:01] <kubotu> Current discard:  Yellow 2
[03:01] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:01] <jjesse> pl ys
[03:01] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Yellow Skip
[03:01] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck skips a turn!
[03:01] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> cd
[03:01] <kubotu> Current discard:  Yellow Skip
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> meh
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> pe
[03:01] <kubotu> JontheEchidna picks a card
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> pa
[03:01] <kubotu> JontheEchidna passes turn
[03:01] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:01] <apachelogger> oh my
[03:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: want another try? :P
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> nein!
[03:02] <apachelogger> pl yr :P
[03:02] <kubotu> what cards were that again?
[03:02] <apachelogger> pl yr
[03:02] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Yellow Reverse
[03:02] <kubotu> Playing order was reversed!
[03:02] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> pl gr
[03:02] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Green Reverse
[03:02] <kubotu> Playing order was reversed!
[03:02] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: lart apachelogger
[03:02]  * kubotu replaces apachelogger's Astroglide with JB Weld
[03:02] <apachelogger> lol
[03:02] <apachelogger> pl g+2
[03:02] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Green +2
[03:02] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[03:02] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:02] <jjesse> pl gs
[03:02] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[03:02] <jjesse> pl g7
[03:02] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[03:02] <jjesse> cd
[03:02] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green +2
[03:02] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> cd
[03:02] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green +2
[03:02] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> draw 2
[03:02] <jjesse> pl g7
[03:02] <kubotu> you can't play that card
[03:03] <jjesse> i have a green card i want to play
[03:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pe
[03:03] <jjesse> pe
[03:03] <kubotu> jjesse passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!
[03:03] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> cd
[03:03] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green +2
[03:03] <apachelogger> oh :D
[03:03] <apachelogger> omg!
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> pl g8
[03:03] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Green 8
[03:03] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ??
[03:03]  * apachelogger was off by one ;)
[03:03] <JontheEchidna> pl g+2
[03:03] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Green +2
[03:03] <kubotu> next player must respond correctly or pick 2 cards
[03:03] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:03] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[03:03] <apachelogger> pe
[03:03] <kubotu> apachelogger passes turn, and has to pick 2 cards!
[03:03] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:03] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[03:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[03:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Tobacco Island" by Flogging Molly [Within a Mile of Home, 2004] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4UQf1DAf1H7R7QmwZMFlfc] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[03:04] <jjesse> cd
[03:04] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green +2
[03:04] <jjesse> pl g5
[03:04] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Green 5
[03:04] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> pl g6
[03:04] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Green 6
[03:04] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> pl g0
[03:04] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Green 0
[03:04] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> I don't remember a 0 card
[03:04] <apachelogger> pl w b
[03:04] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Wild
[03:04] <kubotu> color is now  Blue
[03:04] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:04] <jjesse> pl b2
[03:04] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Blue 2
[03:04] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:05] <DarkwingDuck> pl b3
[03:05] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Blue 3
[03:05] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:05]  * apachelogger plays wild ;) ;) ;) ;)
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> pl b6
[03:05] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Blue 6
[03:05] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:05] <apachelogger> pl b5
[03:05] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Blue 5
[03:05] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:05] <jjesse> pl b5
[03:05] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Blue 5
[03:05] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:05] <DarkwingDuck> pl b8
[03:05] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Blue 8
[03:05] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> pl b8
[03:05] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Blue 8
[03:05] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:05] <apachelogger> pl b9
[03:05] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Blue 9
[03:05] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:05] <jjesse> pa
[03:05] <kubotu> you need to pick a card first
[03:05] <jjesse> pe
[03:05] <kubotu> jjesse picks a card
[03:06] <jjesse> pa
[03:06] <kubotu> jjesse passes turn
[03:06] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> cd
[03:06] <kubotu> Current discard:  Blue 9
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> pl r9
[03:06] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Red 9
[03:06] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> pl r0
[03:06] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Red 0
[03:06] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:06] <apachelogger> pl r1
[03:06] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Red 1
[03:06] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:06] <jjesse> pl r6
[03:06] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Red 6
[03:06] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> pl r8
[03:06] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Red 8
[03:06] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck has UNO!!
[03:06] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:06] <jjesse> damn that DarkwingDuck
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> pl r8
[03:06] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Red 8
[03:06] <kubotu> JontheEchidna has UNO!!
[03:06] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:06] <apachelogger> youknow
[03:06] <jjesse> damn that apachelogger
[03:06] <jjesse> oh wait
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:06] <apachelogger> pl w g
[03:06] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Wild
[03:06] <kubotu> color is now  Green
[03:06] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:06] <jjesse> damn that JontheEchidna
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> :D
[03:07] <jjesse> pl gs
[03:07] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Green Skip
[03:07] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck skips a turn!
[03:07] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:07] <jjesse> doh
[03:07] <apachelogger> we haz two youknow btw
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> Ouch
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> cd
[03:07] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green Skip
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> pe
[03:07] <kubotu> JontheEchidna picks a card
[03:07] <jjesse> yay
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> pa
[03:07] <kubotu> JontheEchidna passes turn
[03:07] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:07] <genii> ca
[03:07] <apachelogger> cd
[03:07] <kubotu> Current discard:  Green Skip
[03:07] <kubotu> apachelogger: 2, jjesse: 4, DarkwingDuck: 1, JontheEchidna: 2
[03:07] <apachelogger> pl g1
[03:07] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Green 1
[03:07] <kubotu> apachelogger has UNO!!
[03:07] <kubotu> it's jjesse's turn
[03:07] <apachelogger> youknow
[03:07] <jjesse> pl g7
[03:07] <kubotu> jjesse plays  Green 7
[03:07] <kubotu> it's DarkwingDuck's turn
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> pe
[03:07] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck picks a card
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> pl r7
[03:07] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck plays  Red 7
[03:07] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck has UNO!!
[03:07] <kubotu> it's JontheEchidna's turn
[03:08] <jjesse> ca
[03:08] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: 2, apachelogger: 1, jjesse: 3, DarkwingDuck: 1
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> pl r5
[03:08] <kubotu> JontheEchidna plays  Red 5
[03:08] <kubotu> JontheEchidna has UNO!!
[03:08] <kubotu> it's apachelogger's turn
[03:08] <apachelogger> pl y5
[03:08] <kubotu> apachelogger plays  Yellow 5
[03:08] <kubotu> UNO! game finished after 7 minutes and 13 seconds! The winner is apachelogger
[03:08] <kubotu> jjesse still had  Green Skip   Red 3   Red Reverse
[03:08] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck still had  Yellow Skip
[03:08] <kubotu> JontheEchidna still had  Yellow +2
[03:08] <jjesse> doh
[03:08] <kubotu> apachelogger wins with 83 points!
[03:08] <apachelogger> MUHAHAHAHA
[03:08] <apachelogger> MUHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[03:08] <apachelogger> :D
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, off to bed.
[03:08] <apachelogger> nini DarkwingDuck
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> I'll catch you lot tomorrow
[03:10]  * genii sips
[03:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we should do a kubuntu uno championship some time?
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> sure
[03:11] <apachelogger> get canonical to sponsor some kubuntu gear for the winner
[03:14] <ryanakca> Wow, nice to see all the Kubuntu devs hard at work :D
[03:14]  * apachelogger is hard at work :P
[03:15] <genii> ryanakca: I guess the idea is work hard, play harder... or so
[03:15] <ryanakca> hehe :D
[03:15]  * JontheEchidna goes off to document what he has of libapt so far, doxygen ftw
[03:16]  * apachelogger throws http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/ex1-sexy/API/html/classCharacter__coll__graph.png after JontheEchidna :P
[03:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[03:16] <apachelogger> documentation++
[03:16] <apachelogger> c++++
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> *libqapt
[03:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: New kubuntu-meta uploaded.
[03:20] <nixternal> anyone know where I can get an svg with 'ubuntu' in the new font?
[03:20] <nixternal> need to create the fake logo
[03:20] <nixternal> fyi, logo #8 isn't any better at smaller resolutions either
[03:21] <jjesse> how was the meeting today?
[03:21] <nixternal> i was eating pizza, so i don't know...from the backlog, looked to be good
[03:21] <nixternal> darkwingduck and shtylman are now members
[03:21] <nixternal> congrats shtylman btw!
[03:21] <jjesse> when aren't you eating pizza?
[03:21] <nixternal> shush
[03:21] <jjesse> yay shtylman
[03:21] <jjesse> did DarkWing get the +1 he needed?
[03:21] <nixternal> I live in Chicago, what else is there that is better than pizza, hot dogs, and italian beef?
[03:21] <nixternal> yes he did
[03:21] <nixternal> he is also a committer now
[03:21] <shtylman> thx :)
[03:22] <nixternal> mdke added him this morning or yesterday
[03:22] <jjesse> nice
[03:22] <nixternal> i seriously suck at inkscape
[03:22] <ScottK> nixternal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1442012
[03:22] <jjesse> wow can't believe what time it is
[03:22] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, i was just looking at that thread and totally missed the svg there
[03:23] <nixternal> thanks
[03:23] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[03:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[03:23] <nixternal> lol, not the logo, looking for the text part :)
[03:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMHO strigi got some problems with the heap
[03:24] <apachelogger> from what I saw from a quick browse through our reports there are mostly problems related to null pointers and the like :S
[03:25] <nixternal> hrmm, i just realized that ubuntu has reverted back to their old logo for plymouth
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I forwarded 3 or so bugs to strigi in half an hour last month
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> unique, of course ;-)
[03:26] <apachelogger> :)
[03:26] <apachelogger> one should rewrite it with proper mem management :P
[03:27] <ScottK> nixternal: http://frendhi.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/fall-in-love-in-new-ubuntu-logo/ has the text part.  It's a copy, but seems to look the same.
[03:28] <nixternal> that's the site I was looking for...thanks again ScottK :)
[03:28] <ScottK> No problem.
[03:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: is the text part not in the .svg?
[03:28] <apachelogger> bug 530103 ... oh how I hate it
[03:43] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: heh, that plymouthd; plymouth --show-splash works like a champ on my laptop but not my desktop :)
[03:44] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth1.png
[03:44] <nixternal> the new logo doesn't scale well
[03:44] <nixternal> gonna try something else
[03:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[03:52] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "The Seven Deadly Sins" by Flogging Molly [Within a Mile of Home, 2004] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6eMrNkS35lx5uLkk6o0xwH] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[03:52]  * apachelogger dances through the channel
[03:53] <apachelogger> I think that bug from above is a left over
[03:53] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth2.png
[03:54] <nixternal> the logo part blurred weird
[03:59] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth3.png
[03:59] <nixternal> that doesn't look to bad
[03:59] <ScottK> Make it spin.
[03:59] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:00] <nixternal> I was thinking about that
[04:14] <DarkwingDuck> garg, can't sleep
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[04:17] <ScottK> You think talking with nixternal will fix that?
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> usally does :P
[04:17] <DarkwingDuck> 5 min and I'm out
[04:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I just pushed some more changes to kdebase-workspace in bzr.  Didn't upload to ninjas because I'm not set up for it on this machine and it's too late for me to deal with it.
[04:39] <nixternal> heh, I am googling plymouth theming, and all of the damn links in google are news posts from other sites to my damn blog entry from yesterday
[04:39] <nixternal> once i figure out this plymouth scripting, this theme will kick ass
[04:39] <nixternal> rotating logos ftw!
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu googlefight nixternal DarkwingDuck
[04:40] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck (386,000) vs. nixternal (101,000) -- DarkwingDuck wins!
[04:40] <nixternal> the sun rising behind the planet is a kick ass plymouth theme, but someone ruined it with the ubuntu logo :p
[04:40] <nixternal> that is cheating
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:41] <nixternal> kubotu googlefight 'Richard Johnson' 'David Wonderly'
[04:41] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help googlefight'
[04:41] <nixternal> damn you!
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu googlefight Wonderly Johnson
[04:41] <kubotu> Johnson (186,000,000) vs. Wonderly (70,700) -- Johnson wins!
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> ROFLMAO
[04:41] <nixternal> pwnd
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:42] <nixternal> heh, another thing, according to these news sites, canonical has come up with a temporary plymouth theme for Kubuntu
[04:42] <nixternal> wtf is my pay check!?!?!
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhhhhhhhahahaha
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> Paycheck?!
[04:43] <nixternal> you haven't been around long enough to be ruined yet :D
[04:43] <ScottK> nixternal: I should get one too.  I approved it through New and did all the stuff to get it on the ISO.
[04:43] <nixternal> i give you 6 more months
[04:43] <nixternal> ScottK: we should create our own company
[04:44] <nixternal> Conanicol
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> All your base inc?
[04:44] <ScottK> Kanonical
[04:44] <nixternal> there we go...why I didn't go with that in the first place is beyond me
[04:44] <nixternal> see, we just made a canonical employee quit the channel
[04:45] <nixternal> lubuntu stole my damn plymouth dots
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> Kanonical... I like that.
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> stole? comeone nixternal... FOSS
[04:45] <ScottK> He wants to be able to claim ignorance later when the supreme leader questions him.
[04:45] <nixternal> http://techie-buzz.com/foss/kubuntu-10-04-and-lubuntu-10-04-gets-new-plymouth-theme.html
[04:45] <nixternal> you know it
[04:46] <nixternal> my understanding is that according to some at canonical, "I am the community asshole"
[04:46] <nixternal> I figured they would be smarter than that, and that they would know that I am in fact the world-wide asshole
[04:47]  * ScottK wasn't confused about that.
[04:48] <nixternal> last i checked you weren't at canonical :D
[04:49] <ScottK> Nope.  Just saying....
[04:49] <nixternal> http://jasonfarrell.com/fedora/11/plymouth-theme-300-thisisfedora/
[04:49] <nixternal> hahaha, awesome
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> That is really funny
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> If not a bit old
[04:53] <nixternal> holy shite, plymouth scripting is no joke
[04:54] <nixternal> http://www.google.com/search?q=plymouth+themes&hl=en&sig=AMEaWZwnmiQTmR7kJilQwBIoKqYhP2GZHw&output=search&pws=0
[04:54] <nixternal> impressive...Kubuntu Plymouth theme is the top of Google without any customizations to google...that is customizations set to 'off'
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> You find an explination on plymouth scripting?
[04:57] <nixternal> freedesktop.org's documentation...which is just wonderful...NOT!
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> You'll have to doc it when your finished :P:P
[04:59] <nixternal> yeah, once I know all the tricks of creating a kick ass plymouth theme, I don't want others to know and create cool stuff like us
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you were working on koffice for lucid right?
[04:59] <nixternal> i will create it, then use a javascript compressor to really obfuscate it
[04:59] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: yeah, that is all done and uploaded
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> is there a working copy of Kivio with that?
[04:59] <nixternal> koffice for i386 has built, the others are waiting for something
[04:59] <nixternal> no
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> There is a copy of Kivio ava? Or just have to build it from source?
[05:00] <nixternal> kivio will be available I think in 2.2, not the 2.1 series, plus 2.1.2 is the last of the 2.1 series
[05:00] <nixternal> no idea
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> You know when 2.2 is scheduled to shoot?
[05:01] <nixternal> probably towards the fall I would guess
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[05:01] <nixternal> they released a 2.2 beta or alpha already
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> I had a question about it in #kubuntu so, I gave them that answer
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: apidocs just for you: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/?view=log
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> g'night all
[05:38] <DarkwingDuck> night JontheEchidna
[06:21] <apachelogger> brrr
[06:21] <apachelogger> coldiness
[06:21]  * apachelogger shouldnt have done the running today
[06:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[06:23] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:26] <apachelogger> hm
[06:26] <apachelogger> ~time
[06:26] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Tue Mar 30 07:28 CEST
[06:26] <apachelogger> no point in going to bed now ^^
[06:27]  * apachelogger tunes in gossip - heavy cross and starts cleaning
[06:31] <nixternal> whew, killed my machine who knows how many times
[06:31] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth.ogv
[06:31] <nixternal> oooh, getting somewhere
[06:37] <apachelogger> nixternal: your server sends wrong mimetype
[06:38] <nixternal> wget it then
[06:39] <nixternal> chromium has no problem with it
[06:40] <apachelogger> yeah, I opened it in some video player of course the netbook edition has all broken window management and thus nothing ever gets any focus at all
[06:41] <apachelogger> anyhow
[06:41] <nixternal> ahh
[06:41] <nixternal> typos in plymouth will kill you
[06:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: how about not using a gradient in the background, but make it a hint of blue, then stuff the gear thingy into that
[06:41] <apachelogger> without the blue circle around it
[06:41] <apachelogger> IMHO less is more in this particular case
[06:42] <nixternal> i was thinking of using the default wallpaper we have for the background too as an idea
[06:42] <apachelogger> plymouth-- for killing people
[06:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: see bug report in kds I assigned to you
[06:42] <nixternal> i did the blue background without a gradient, it is to much
[06:42] <apachelogger> apparently some drivers fallback to 16bit colors
[06:42] <apachelogger> so we cant do anything fancy
[06:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, a weaker blue you need
[06:43] <apachelogger> in fact I even find it too strong with the gradient already
[06:43] <apachelogger> IMHO it should really be barely noticable blue
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> I agree.
[06:43] <nixternal> how about just a black screen?
[06:43] <apachelogger> possibly gradient from black to black with a bit of a blue touch to it
[06:44] <apachelogger> nixternal: that is again too strong
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> Or, a blue fade to black
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> Blue like the Oxygen theme blue?
[06:44] <nixternal> i will put up freakin' greatful dead colors and kill everyone
[06:44] <apachelogger> lol
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:44] <nixternal> like you can really tell the difference between 16 and 32 bit...at least i never could
[06:45] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it would have to fade to a alpha blended blue really
[06:45] <nixternal> heh, how about a splash that has opensuse, fedora, arch, and the rest come in, and then have the kubuntu logo smash them all
[06:45] <DarkwingDuck> True ;)
[06:45] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Love it
[06:45] <apachelogger> +1
[06:45] <nixternal> haha, or...
[06:46]  * apachelogger aint is not going to stand in the way of control anyway :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7ztFuNDrQE
[06:46] <nixternal> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NU9NyECVwjc/Sl4SFzehDKI/AAAAAAAAAOY/KEIvN5BIZW8/s400/Piss_On_Windows_WEB.jpg
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[06:46] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ++
[06:46] <nixternal> kubotu np
[06:46] <kubotu> nixternal is listening to "Phantoms" by Raunchy [Death Pop Romance, 2006] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more
[06:46] <nixternal> how the hell, that bastard is smart
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm crashing
[06:47] <nixternal> kubotu np
[06:47] <kubotu> nixternal is listening to "One Last Breath" by Threat Signal [Under Reprisal, 2006] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0OU96dQGyVBUHMEk7GDGSt] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more
[06:47] <nixternal> g'nite
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> night
[06:50] <nixternal> kubotu np
[06:50] <kubotu> nixternal is listening to "Swordmaster" by 3 Inches of Blood [http://open.spotify.com/track/1omjFaf9ziesfNWrHjcbhX] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more
[06:50] <nixternal> that bot is fast
[06:52] <apachelogger> ~praise kubotu
[06:52]  * kubotu tickles kubotu
[06:52] <apachelogger> Oo
[06:52] <apachelogger> poor bot aint got no one to tickle him :(
[06:53] <nixternal> i wish people with nvidia cards would smash their laptops
[06:53] <nixternal> I scratch my itch, not theirs
[06:54] <nixternal> apachelogger: that isn't 16 bit, that is 8bit
[06:54] <apachelogger> I read 16 :P
[06:54] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:54] <nixternal> VGA16 == 16bit? or 16 colors?
[06:54] <apachelogger> put two 8bit images ontop of each other you get 16 bit :P
[06:55] <nixternal> that gradient is no problem at 8bit, since it is an 8bit gradient
[06:55] <nixternal> ahh, well that sucks
[06:56] <nixternal> so we have to have a lame ass plymouth theme because people pay all that money for a graphics card that is equivalent to that of dolphin shit
[06:56] <nixternal> oh well, so much for a cool plymouth theme
[06:57] <nixternal> maybe I will have plymouth-theme-kubuntu-lame and plymouth-theme-kubuntu-hahahaha-you-have-nvidia?-sucker!!!
[06:57] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bMXHgTVYTM seriously that hall looks way bigger than it is in RL
[06:57] <nixternal> so no, i need to figure out the rgb for a damn 16-color blue
[06:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: I told you, go for monochromi gear with very subtle gradient
[06:58] <nixternal> dude, that is either baby blue, royal blue, or url blue
[06:58] <apachelogger> then it is 8bit save and looks perfect
[06:58] <nixternal> 8bit isn't 16 colors though
[06:58] <apachelogger> madness
[06:58] <nixternal> 8 bit would still look shitty on their weak ass expensive video cards
[06:58] <apachelogger> cant we haz two different themes?
[06:59] <apachelogger> solid blue with monochrome white gear rotating for 8bit
[06:59] <apachelogger> black to blue gradient with monochrome whit egear rotating for sensible graphics cards
[06:59] <nixternal> i say we do one, just a lame ass solid color from the 16 color scale
[06:59] <apachelogger> I am sure you come up with something good :P
[07:00] <nixternal> I can't control the gradient though with plymouth, you have:  Window.SetBackgroundTopColor and Window.SetBackgroundBottomColor
[07:00] <apachelogger> if it looks like crap on my devices i will switch to chakra :P
[07:00] <nixternal> it creates the gradient
[07:00] <nixternal> chakra is at least creating a cool plymouth theme and saying "FU" to those who whine
[07:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: so letz do the same
[07:01] <nixternal> we can't, because people file a bug when their grandpa farts
[07:01]  * apachelogger is good at closing bugs :P
[07:01] <nixternal> hahah, to bad slangasek already commented on it
[07:01] <apachelogger> that is no problem
[07:02] <apachelogger> "go fix driver" => wontfix for theme
[07:02] <nixternal> ooh
[07:02] <nixternal> like losing 1 more user is going to do anything
[07:02] <apachelogger> or "go make plymouth support different themes depend on driver support" => wontfix for theme
[07:02] <nixternal> i asked slangasek in -devel to see what he says
[07:02]  * apachelogger always found it silly that artwork needs to bend around technicaly crappyness
[07:03] <nixternal> how the hell is aubergine working for people with nvidia then?
[07:03] <nixternal> that definitely doesn't fall in the 16-color spectrum
[07:04]  * apachelogger really doesnt see why plymouth cant support multiple themes :P
[07:05] <apachelogger> that is the most lame ass work around but that way those poor nvidia users mustnt see weird colors and those with proper drivers get a good looking splash
[07:06] <nixternal> hrmm, i am trying to create a gradient that will work with 16 colors...impossible
[07:06] <nixternal> you will have faily large blocks of different colors, nothing smooth
[07:06] <nixternal> fairly
[07:13] <nixternal> ok, looks like keybuk is trying to figure out how to determine a theme if it is vga or drm
[07:13] <nixternal> if that gets situated, then we create a 16 color vga theme that just pokes fun at the use of nvidia drivers :)
[07:14] <apachelogger> yay!
[07:14] <apachelogger> :D
[07:20] <nixternal> http://www.infotart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/windows_4bit_color_swatches.png  <- apachelogger there are the color choices for nvidia users :D
[07:21] <apachelogger> nixternal: why not display that picture?
[07:21] <apachelogger> it looks rather fancy :P
[07:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:33] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth2.ogv
[07:34] <nixternal> how is that for a theme?
[07:36] <apachelogger> oh
[07:36] <apachelogger> me likes
[07:36] <apachelogger> its something different
[07:36] <nixternal> haha
[07:37] <apachelogger> actually
[07:37] <apachelogger> that makes me think that ubuntus should have a rocket with the dictator inside
[07:37] <apachelogger> flying from the bottom left to the top right
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe
[07:38] <apachelogger> and if it's time for partition check the rocket would crash into a harddisk ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/kubuntu_plymouth.ogv
[07:41] <nixternal> I like that one dangit
[07:42] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ ScottK ^^ JontheEchidna ^^ anyone else....though we have found out people with nvidia get a really crappy look with their super expensive VGA color palette
[08:12] <shadeslayer> apparently knetworkmanager refuses to work with normal priviliges on my PC
[08:13] <shadeslayer> keeps disconnecting... now ive run it with kdesudo and it runs fine 0_o
[08:30] <apachelogger> nowrocking plasmoid breaks my netbook :(
[08:30] <apachelogger> must be written in python for sure
[08:30]  * shadeslayer gives apachelogger some tape
[08:33] <kwwii> did someone want something from me?
[08:33] <apachelogger> hai kwwii
[08:33] <apachelogger> I think so, I just cant remember why ^^
[08:33] <apachelogger> must have been either something related to logo change or font change
[08:34] <apachelogger> ah
[08:34] <shadeslayer> where is the knetworkmanager configs stored?
[08:35] <apachelogger> kwwii: we are talking about limitations of plymouth regarding colors and Riddell mentioned that you would know all the details :)
[08:35] <shadeslayer> s/is/are
[08:35] <apachelogger> where did nixternal go though?
[08:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: .kde/share/config/netw*
[08:36]  * apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook is pretty usable when using raster as graphicssystem
[08:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: someone probably broke string freeze so hes off to chop fingers
[08:36] <apachelogger> actually, I was getting an error that the "system" graphicssystem was not found
[08:36] <apachelogger> I recon system is default, so maybe that incrdible slowness of plasma-netbook is because of that message
[08:36] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[08:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: always the same, no one ever listens when we warn them about nixternal :P
[08:37] <shadeslayer> hehe
[08:37] <apachelogger> plasma-netbook is almost snappy on the dell mini 10 here
[08:37] <apachelogger> weeh
[08:37]  * apachelogger also tries the opengl system for the fun of it
[08:39] <apachelogger> uhm
[08:39] <apachelogger> not much different from raster
[08:39] <apachelogger> besides that various tray apps have broken icons ^^
[08:41] <kwwii> apachelogger: no limits, really
[08:41] <kwwii> apachelogger: it is not like usplash anymore
[08:42] <apachelogger> kwwii:  bug 551290
[08:42] <apachelogger> well, more like driver shortcomings I suppose
[08:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ping
[08:42] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: got a reply from dragotin...
[08:45] <kwwii> ahhh, funky
[08:48] <kwwii> we did not make 16 color versions of the ubuntu stuff
[08:48] <kwwii> so it will exhibit the same bug, I suppose
[08:49] <shadeslayer> kwwii: hmm.. so with the nvidia drivers we do not get the awesome splash stuff... too baad
[08:49] <shadeslayer> *bad
[08:49] <kwwii> shadeslayer: yeah, but it is not our fault ;-)
[08:50] <shadeslayer> kwwii: yeah i know.. i really want 3D support in nouveau
[08:50] <kwwii> kms would be enough
[08:50] <shadeslayer> but thats not gonna happen any time soon
[08:50] <shadeslayer> kwwii: yeah or kms in nvidia
[08:51] <kwwii> right, and no it aint gonna happen
[08:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[08:52] <apachelogger> we could just fix the intel drivers proper and get on with our lifes :P
[08:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :o
[08:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: does your plasma feel laggy?
[08:53] <shadeslayer> nope...
[08:53] <apachelogger> too bad :P
[08:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: once in a blue moon,yes
[08:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe
[08:53]  * apachelogger is wondering whether we should make plasma use rater by default
[08:54] <shadeslayer> is there a nouveau package with 3d support?
[08:56] <shadeslayer> oohh : https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[08:57] <shadeslayer> kwwii: ^^ what do you think?
[08:57] <shadeslayer> i dont understand some of the stuff written there,but im prepared to have a borked system :P
[09:11] <shadeslayer> heh... im getting a speed of 700 kBps here :D
[11:46] <apachelogger> wonderful weather today
[11:46]  * apachelogger better goes for a walk
[11:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: a walk?  you mean outside?  without internet connection?
[11:49] <Sput> weirdo
[11:49] <Riddell> avant garde to say the least
[12:01] <dpm> :)
[12:02] <Tm_T> ofcourse he has his phone with him, so he can comment in irc & identi.ca
[12:03] <Tm_T> "I saw a real tree, no not in TV but in _outside_ !!1"
[12:03]  * Tm_T hides
[12:05] <Riddell> what does everyone have in ~/.kde/share/config/freespacenotifierrc ?
[12:06] <JontheEchidna> no such file or directory
[12:07] <Tm_T> same
[12:13] <Tonio_> same with me, no such file
[12:17] <Riddell> ok thanks
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> It's 4 degrees C and raining here :(
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> oh well, off to class
[12:42]  * Tonio_ is on his 30th attempt to fix the cursor breakage in qt4-x11...
[12:44] <jussi01> Tonio_: good luck :)
[12:44] <Riddell> cursor breakage?
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that drag and drop thing
[13:03] <Riddell> I going to start uploading 4.4.2 to lucid
[13:04] <rgreening> Riddell: if you like. Remember to upload kdelibs dead last. I still am reviewing packages.
[13:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: able to do your kde-l10n thing?
[13:09] <Tm_T> Tonio_: drag and drop thing?
[13:09] <rgreening> Riddell: are you uploading from bzr or from PPA?
[13:10] <rgreening> bzr's are not always matching PPA, and I am having to fix periodically (minor things).
[13:12] <Tonio_> Tm_T: when you drag and drop from example in dolphin
[13:12] <Tonio_> Tm_T: look at the cursor
[13:13] <rgreening> Riddell: the correct would be to upload from bzr... but its still being review for accuracy. I have marked on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging  which I have reviewed/fixed already
[13:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: this has nothing to do with it? http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1108844
[13:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's a qt bug
[13:17] <Tm_T> bah everything is crashing here now
[13:18] <Tonio_> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6669
[13:18] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I don't use oxygen :) that may explain I have no probleme
[13:18] <rgreening> Riddell: just uploaded new kdebase-runtime to PPA
[13:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I dont use oxygen either (:
[13:19] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ;)
[13:20] <Tm_T> anyway, that kde commit was to do something about cursors too
[13:20] <Tm_T> while dragging
[13:22] <Riddell> rgreening: from bzr
[13:23] <rgreening> Riddell: can you upload using bzr the ones I have reviewed first (leaving kdelibs till last).
[13:23] <rgreening> that will give me a few more minutes to review...
[13:29] <Riddell> yep
[13:30] <rgreening> k. cool.. buzzing through them... as quick as I can
[13:36] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yeah but that's about windos, not cursor
[13:36] <Tonio_> Tm_T: the bug I mention also exists for qt apps
[13:36] <Tonio_> and even inside qt apps
[13:51] <Riddell> anyone want the rest of the 9.10 CDs?
[13:51] <Riddell> Nightrose, Mamarok got any use for them?
[13:52] <Nightrose> Riddell: i don't atm
[13:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: I can ask, if they are needed at Linuxtag
[14:02] <Riddell> neversfelde: when is that?
[14:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: June 9th - 12th, so probably a bit late for Karmic
[14:05] <Riddell> yeah
[14:15] <rgreening> Riddell: all checked against bzr for those we house in bzr
[14:18] <Quintasan> \o
[14:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: unexpectedly the tests were somehow easy for me
[14:19] <Quintasan> even though it was biology
[14:19]  * Quintasan hates biology
[14:19] <Riddell> rgreening: groovy
[14:21] <Quintasan> nixternal's new plymouth splash is awesome
[14:21] <Quintasan> great way to troll new users :)
[14:25] <Riddell> how troll?
[14:28] <rgreening> Riddell: I never updated the bzr tfrom UNRELEASED, I assume you will as you upload/release..k.
[14:30] <Riddell> rgreening: yes I can do that
[14:30] <Riddell> should we include jontheechilada's patches to nepomuk I wonder
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: what are they
[14:40] <rgreening> and were they new since we uploaded to the PPA?
[14:41] <Riddell> rgreening: http://pastebin.com/4mVSd76g
[14:41] <effie_jayx> should I find anyone using the plasma-netbook not using kubuntu and report it in bugs.kde.org? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/551334
[14:41] <Riddell> rgreening: yes they aren't in the PPA
[14:41] <rgreening> Riddell: should we test-buold then in PPA first?
[14:42] <rgreening> build even
[14:42] <Riddell> effie_jayx: I think plasma-netbook expects kwin in netbook mode
[14:42] <Riddell> rgreening: I assume jontheechilada already has test built it
[14:42] <Riddell> although assumptions can be dangerous
[14:42] <rgreening> ya.
[14:42] <rgreening> what do the patches do?
[14:42] <Riddell> rgreening: we're out of time though, I'm uploading
[14:43] <rgreening> ya. Upload and we can do an update with the patches after
[14:43] <rgreening> ldelibs last...
[14:43] <rgreening> kdelibs even
[14:44] <effie_jayx> Riddell: not sure I understanf much yet, but I believe it should restart plasma-netbook
[14:44] <effie_jayx> if it kills it, it should bring it up again no?
[14:44]  * Riddell makes it sew
[14:45] <rgreening> effie_jayx: plasma-netbook is expected to run atop of the kde/kwin window manager. If it is not, then all bets are off.
[14:46] <effie_jayx> rgreening: ok, I understand that bit. and hence the behaviour
[14:46] <effie_jayx> but the issue is this. I find myself hiting alt+f4 to close apps a bit faster
[14:46] <rgreening> effie_jayx: if you need more help with it, you can try hanging out in kubuntu-netbook.
[14:47] <effie_jayx> rgreening: I am hanging there ;)
[14:47] <effie_jayx> shall be more patient then
[14:47] <effie_jayx> ;)
[14:47] <rgreening> I personally am not using the netbook, but someone in that channel may be better suited to look at it with you
[14:47] <Riddell> effie_jayx: is this a problem when running kwin?
[14:48] <effie_jayx> yep kwin is running
[14:48] <effie_jayx> rgreening: thanks
[14:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: it's like that, users go - wow, kubuntu plymouth theme and the next thing they see after reboot is nixternal's face spinning around :O
[14:52] <Riddell> really?
[14:52] <Riddell> Quintasan: whatever happened to the koffice beta?
[14:53] <Quintasan> oh man I totally forgot with all those test
[14:53] <Quintasan> tests*
[14:53] <Quintasan> getting to it now
[14:54] <Quintasan> Riddell:
[14:54] <Quintasan> ^^
[15:05] <shadeslayer> wooo!!!
[15:06] <shadeslayer> the unstable nouveau drivers work perfectly here.... no lag and awesome boot
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oh the plymouth theme has some portions cut off
[16:22]  * DarkwingDuck slaps nixternal around a bit with a large trout
[16:22] <shadeslayer> shtylman: um sorry for that....
[16:22] <shtylman> shadeslayer: no probs
[16:23] <shadeslayer> shtylman: bad tab complete :P
[16:23] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: are you using mIRC?!
[16:23] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: No, just a memory from my mIRC days
[16:23] <shtylman> mIRC will not be tolerated ... only konversation use allowed :)
[16:23] <DarkwingDuck> I only use that with nixternal
[16:23] <shadeslayer> @lart DarkwingDuck
[16:23] <shadeslayer> meh.... lart fail
[16:24] <DarkwingDuck> kubotu: lart shadeslayer
[16:24]  * kubotu casts shadeslayer into the fires of Mt. Doom
[16:24] <Riddell> shtylman: pst, quassel may be allowable too
[16:24] <DarkwingDuck> +1 quassel
[16:24] <shadeslayer> kubotu: lart DarkwingDuck
[16:24]  * kubotu forces DarkwingDuck to use perl for 3 weeks
[16:24] <shadeslayer> +999999 for irssi
[16:24] <shtylman> Riddell: hmm... you sure?
[16:24] <DarkwingDuck> perl? Wasnt that one of my answers yesterday? :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: kongrats btw ;)
[16:25] <shadeslayer> i knew that youll get in :P
[16:26] <DarkwingDuck> thanks shadeslayer :)
[16:26] <kwwii> Riddell: any info on the state of the kubuntu logo?
[16:26] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh* syndicate a blog and spam comments like crazy
[16:27] <shadeslayer> and now onto bigger problems.... 12 people tied at first position in my programming competition :P
[16:27] <shtylman> kwwii: we voted yesterday to try one out for keta 2
[16:27] <Riddell> kwwii: the feeling of the meeting was to go with this one http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-new-logo.png
[16:28] <kwwii> shtylman, Riddell: any word on getting a final K in that?
[16:28] <Riddell> kwwii: no that's the next stage for the design team along with picking the exact colour
[16:29] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, cool...I will try and stay on top of this and help in any way I can
[16:29] <shtylman> kwwii, Riddell: for now we can make our own k ... at least line it up a bit better
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that is a bit bland imp
[16:29] <shadeslayer> *imo
[16:29] <kwwii> shtylman: well, we really should not use anything font-wise that has not been signed off on
[16:29] <kwwii> it would be bad to give a poor impression of the new font
[16:30] <shtylman> kwwii: I agree... but what should we do in the inerim?
[16:30] <Riddell> shtylman: as kwwii says I'd like to keep it looking obviously bad and let the font people do it properly
[16:30] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: you on planet.ubuntu.com now?  wait for all the link spam :)
[16:30] <shtylman> Riddell: should we go with "ubuntu" text and kubuntu logo then?
[16:30] <shtylman> would that be any better?
[16:30] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I added last night about midnight CST. 42 spam. 42...
[16:30] <jjesse> nice
[16:30] <jjesse> mmm lunch time be back in a bit
[16:30] <kwwii> shtylman: I will see if I can get some traction on that
[16:31]  * Tm_T huggles kwwii
[16:31] <DarkwingDuck> shtylman: I think they are going to add a 'K' to the font
[16:31] <shtylman> DarkwingDuck: they are... we are just talking about when :)
[16:31] <shtylman> kwwii: cool
[16:31] <DarkwingDuck> shtylman: 2020
[16:32] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i thought we were all going to die in 2012
[16:32] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, and computer are going to stop working in 2000... Got ya
[16:33] <shadeslayer> could be tomorrow as well..i heard CERN just switched on their PA
[16:33] <shtylman> Riddell: on another note... will we have pretty stickers?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> shtylman: oh please the shiny metal ones
[16:33]  * DarkwingDuck wants stickers
[16:33] <shadeslayer> shtylman: one with every CD... instead of 3-5
[16:33] <DarkwingDuck> I'll have to replace the one I have on the back of my laptop
[16:33] <shadeslayer> theres a brainstorm idea too
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: there?
[16:40] <shadeslayer> just got confirmation that you read my memo :P
[16:43] <Riddell> agateau: amarok, kdelibs and kdebase-workspace patches uploaded (along with kde 4.4.2)
[16:44] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I included your strigi patches in kdebase-workspace
[16:44] <agateau> Riddell: great!
[16:44] <Riddell> shtylman: I expect pretty stickers will appear at some point
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ok, cool. The patch to enable the RAM detection bits has been committed to kubuntu-default-settings
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> haven't seen trueg yet
[16:45] <Riddell> nixternal, jjesse, DarkwingDuck: one of the meeting items was to change to liberation for the default font in line with ubuntu desktop, that's a UI freeze exception so would need your approval
[16:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: he's not often on IRC, probably best to e-mail
[16:47] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: you gonna do your core dev app or what?
[16:47] <nixternal> ubuntu-meeting NOW!
[16:56] <Riddell> glatzor: hi
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hmm... is it possible to attach a lp bug report to another while reporting it? ( not talking about dupes )
[17:09] <shadeslayer> like bugs.kde.org has this feature
[17:11] <lex79> qt4 still building on armel lol
[17:12] <lex79> and ia64 ftbs
[17:12] <shadeslayer> lex79: ia64?
[17:12] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3/+build/1589268
[17:15] <Riddell> ...
[17:16] <maco> shadeslayer: like say "this bug being fixed depends on that bug being fixed"? nope.
[17:17] <Riddell> ..!
[17:17] <shadeslayer> maco: no,i meant that like attaching debug info to another bug report you know is the same problem
[17:18] <shadeslayer> oh btw hows this : http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopsf1636-jpg.jpg
[17:18] <maco> shadeslayer: oh. nope. you could run "apport-collect" twice, once for each bug report...but thats all i got
[17:18] <nigelb> maco, I think now apport collect works only for bugs you reported
[17:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:19] <maco> oh boo
[17:19] <nigelb> I like it :)
[17:19] <shadeslayer> oh crap i just closed the browser :(
[17:19] <nigelb> lol
[17:19] <nigelb> I dont get 20 mails on same bug for same problem
[17:19] <nigelb> with apport-collect information
[17:20] <Riddell> nixternal: three positive votes, surely he's in?
[17:20] <nixternal> Riddell: we need to persuade persia, as he is the tie breaker
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ok lets see if this works...
[17:21] <Riddell> nixternal: how so?  three is quorum and it's a positive even if persia is -1
[17:21] <nixternal> Riddell: bring that one up in ubuntu meeting
[17:21] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/551832 : worked...
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> If three didn't vote (with a +0) Then it's a voteing between 4 people
[17:23] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: congratulations on breaking the technical board :)
[17:23] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> How is a +0 the same as voting -1??
[17:26]  * rgreening is confused with the tech board. How "NON-technical" of them
[17:26] <maco> crimsun says you need at least $QUORUM positive votes
[17:26] <maco> so if quorum is 3, then +3 is enough
[17:26] <nigelb> so he got through?
[17:26] <Riddell> quorum has always been three I'm sure
[17:27] <rgreening> it was always minimum 3 to be able to vote and then it had to be a positive result. I though...
[17:27] <Riddell> rgreening: I agree
[17:28] <DarkwingDuck> but to adstain you remove your vote from the count... so, 3 not going to vote 3 positive IMO he wins with 75% of the vote
[17:29] <nigelb> DarkwingDuck, 100%?
[17:29] <DarkwingDuck> 3/4 is 75%
[17:29] <DarkwingDuck> 4 not being there. But, without him it still recieved a 75% IMO
[17:29] <nigelb> 3 were positive and 3 abstained, so 3/3 right?
[17:29]  * shadeslayer wonders what everybody is voting on.... hopes its realted to stickers
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> Abstained is removing your vote from concideration.
[17:30] <nigelb> yes, I only counted people who attended
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> Then yes. 100%
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> 75% of the entire governing body
[17:31] <nigelb> ah, that way
[17:32] <DarkwingDuck> However, it's all on the interpretation of what abstaining your vote means
[17:33] <maco> i'm checing robertsrules.com
[17:33] <maco> oh bah the text isnt on there
[17:33] <maco> nixternal: does the DMB go by roberts rules?
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstention
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:35] <nixternal> there is no telling what we go by...it is the same as the TB, the ol' MC, the RMBs
[17:35] <nixternal> if we kick persia hard enough, he will come through :D
[17:37] <nixternal> Riddell: oh, you want to change the font now?
[17:37] <maco> ok crimsun says MC did not go by roberts rules because they never established what they went by
[17:37] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm not sure now, I thought it was going to be the default in ubuntu desktop but arne says it'll just be installed and dejavu is still default
[17:37] <nixternal> whew
[17:38] <DarkwingDuck> Then that kinda answers that
[17:38] <DarkwingDuck> ;)
[17:38] <nigelb> so, time to kick persia ? :D
[17:38] <nixternal> that would have been hellish, 65 screenshots would have to be redone
[17:38] <maco> crimsun says he's pretty sure the MC did "majoriy present say +1"
[17:38] <nixternal> hey, it's nigelb! didn't know you were lurking in here, only see you smacking me around on identi.ca or twitter :)
[17:39] <maco> nixternal: ive been trying to bring him to the dark side
[17:39] <maco> nigelb: remember, we have cookies!
[17:39] <nixternal> maco: when I was on the MC, quorum, so if there were 7 voters, you needed +4
[17:39] <maco> ~order cookies for nigelb
[17:39]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to nigelb.
[17:39] <nigelb> nixternal, I've been hanging around here since long.  it so happens that my mentor is a kubuntu fangirl
[17:39] <nixternal> if there were 5 voters, you needed +3
[17:39] <nixternal> that I do remember
[17:39] <nixternal> nice
[17:39] <nigelb> maco, come lucid and I might
[17:40] <nigelb> the tooltips is a bit getting on my nerves
[17:42] <Riddell> Trouble_: how's 4.4.2 in karmic?
[17:46] <Riddell> we had a request to update kwin-style-dekorator to 0.5.0, anyone fancy looking into it?
[17:47] <DarkwingDuck> Hey nixternal can I download your spinning head for startup?
[17:47] <Riddell> nixternal: what's the status of the plymouth theme?
[17:48] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth3.png
[17:48] <Riddell> nixternal: is that in k-d-s?
[17:49] <DarkwingDuck> do the cogs spin?
[17:49] <nixternal> but we have a problem, bug 551290
[17:49] <nixternal> no it isn't in k-d-s yet
[17:49] <nixternal> we need to lame out for people with nvidia cards
[17:50] <nixternal> ie: solid color background and no glow, otherwise nvidia people cry
[17:51] <Riddell> nixternal: doesn't the ubuntu theme have the same issue?
[17:51] <nixternal> on the ubuntu logo, yes...there is no problem with their solid aubergine madness
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> Don't hold back nixternal... what do you really feel about ubuntu?
[17:52] <Riddell> nixternal: ok, what's our options for beta 2 freeze on thursday?
[17:52] <nixternal> i love ubuntu!
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> !nixternal
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> Righto
[17:52]  * DarkwingDuck backs away slowly
[17:53] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/  - keybuk posted this today, which has to do with the issue
[17:53] <Riddell> nixternal: can we just use a solid background for now?
[17:55] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, but it looks shite
[17:56] <DarkwingDuck> Are upgrades from hardy to lucid supposed to work now (and should they be tested), or is that something that comes late in the cycle or in 10.04.1?
[17:56] <nixternal> let me talk to keybuk on this issue
[17:56] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't mind that really, the k looks rubbish anyway
[17:56] <Riddell> nixternal: but I'd really like to get /something/ in for beta 2
[17:56] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: they're not supported and we don't know if they work.  testing would be interesting but there's no format way to do it
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: People assume that we can smoothly upgrade from LTS to LTS...
[17:57] <Riddell> hardy wasn't LTS, we made that clear
[17:58] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, so, Kubuntu doesn't have to worry about it the way ubuntu does
[17:58] <DarkwingDuck> However, we should figure something out in the next 2 years :P
[17:59] <nixternal> Riddell: did you like the one I linked you to just a few minutes ago?
[17:59] <Riddell> right (although as I say it would be interesting for it to be tested if someone wanted to)
[17:59] <Riddell> nixternal: looks beautiful
[17:59] <nixternal> if so, I am definitely groovy on adding it to k-d-s
[17:59] <nixternal> ok, I will add it then, and we can work out the kinks moving forward
[17:59] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy
[17:59] <amichair> are there any stats anywhere on how many users are using each release version?
[18:00] <Riddell> amichair: not that I know of
[18:00] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: When I get my desktop setup at home I'll toss in a copy of it and test it...
[18:00] <maco> popcon?
[18:01] <Riddell> maco: I'm not sure if that tells you the number installed now or every installed for a package
[18:01] <maco> Riddell: hmm fair point
[18:02] <maco> there's a "recent" list...
[18:02] <maco> oh. it only gives package names, not versions
[18:02] <maco> so we cant look for kde 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3
[18:05] <Riddell> shtylman, nixternal: do we have a netbook installer slideshow?
[18:06] <shtylman> Riddell: I believe so... but I don't think it is merged in trunk
[18:06] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: how come you dont have a member cloak?
[18:07] <jjesse> cause he forgot to ask, or someone didn't tell him?
[18:07] <DarkwingDuck> I just got it
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ah nice
[18:08] <lex79> Need testers for bug 528907
[18:08] <shadeslayer> i didnt see the last join message
[18:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: i confirmed it in beta 1
[18:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: i can remove my fstab entries and try again though
[18:09] <lex79> Riddell: can you change the package affected in that bug? ^^ I can't
[18:09] <lex79> Riddell: the bug is in HAL and not in kdebase
[18:09] <lex79> shadeslayer: try the fix
[18:09] <amichair> Riddell: when shall I poke u regarding the s-p-k merge (it's very short diff)?
[18:10] <Riddell> amichair: after I've done my archive admin tasks for the day and reviewed kde 4.4.2 packages
[18:10] <shadeslayer> lex79: sure,how big is the upgrade?
[18:10] <lex79> only 3 packages, hal packages
[18:10] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:10] <shadeslayer> lets see
[18:10] <shtylman> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo <-- netbook installer slideshow postponed
[18:11] <nixternal> Riddell: pushed up new logo to k-d-s in bzr
[18:11] <shadeslayer> lex79: this will take a few mins :P
[18:11] <shtylman> nixternal: are you gonna make new plymouth theme?
[18:11] <lex79> ok
[18:11] <nixternal> shtylman: done
[18:12] <shtylman> nice
[18:12] <nixternal> just redid the logo part using the new logo
[18:12] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: uploaded yet?
[18:12] <shadeslayer> nixternal: which is?
[18:12] <nixternal> didn't package it, just slung it in bzr, just in case we need to make other changes to k-d-s before releasing a new package
[18:13] <shadeslayer> nixternal: wheres the new logo?
[18:13] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth3.png
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> Do the launchpad devs even know how their system is coded? damn. bug 507773
[18:14] <maco> nixternal: preeeetty
[18:14] <Riddell> shtylman: so we should just use the same slideshow as on desktop?
[18:14] <nixternal> doesn't the logo and the dots look uncentered? they are centered, it just looks a little off to me
[18:14] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i guess a K is supposed to be there?
[18:14] <nixternal> if you stand back, it looks fine
[18:14] <shadeslayer> in the circle
[18:15] <nixternal> no
[18:15] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yes
[18:15] <Riddell> lex79: done
[18:15] <shadeslayer> nixternal: its not oriented
[18:15] <nixternal> a k in the circle?
[18:15] <lex79> good
[18:15] <shadeslayer> nixternal: in the top right circle..
[18:15] <nixternal> shadeslayer: it is oriented actually...i took the logo and the 3 dots into gimp and centered there...same exact look
[18:15] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you try my fix?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> your fix?
[18:16] <lex79> bug 528907
[18:16] <nixternal> i am not an artist at any level, so if someone wants to come up with a plymouth-theme, then by all means, but hurry up
[18:16] <shadeslayer> lex79: my interwebs is ultra slow today :P
[18:16] <shadeslayer> nixternal: hehe...
[18:16] <shadeslayer> nixternal: its good,but like i said,the dots dont look centered
[18:17] <amichair> it might look better centered on the word rather than the whole image
[18:17] <nixternal> yeah, they don't look centered either, but they are
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Is pitti ok with this solution?
[18:18] <lex79> dunno, I posted few minutes ago
[18:18]  * txwikinger has tested karmic->lucid upgrade and the ubunt flush screen is gone for the Kubuntu one :)
[18:19] <Oxymoron> Do anybody of you guys experience any problem with video window output on Kubuntu Karmic or Lucid? I cant get it to work, xine and mplayer works trough temrinal but Kaffeine and Dragonplayer doesnt work and cant find anywhere to change video output mode for them like VLC have?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> lex79: the patch fails to apply
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> oh, my mistake
[18:19] <lex79> ah :)
[18:20]  * shadeslayer wonders...
[18:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: try also the package in my ppa
[18:20] <shtylman> Riddell: indeed
[18:20] <shadeslayer> i think there are loads of upgrades in the pipeline
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yeps...
[18:21] <Riddell> Trouble_: can you install packages from packagekit?
[18:21] <Oxymoron> Anyone? I have asked in almost every single channel for this problem and seems almost nobody know how to fix it? It isnt nvidia, not xserver, not xine, not gstreamer and well I dont know anymore? COuld it be phonon, qt or something like that?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: upgrading.. will take 10-15 mins
[18:23] <lex79> ok
[18:23] <amichair> Oxymoron: not sure what u mean, but perhaps changing video output in system settings will help?
[18:24]  * shadeslayer loves his new wallpaper
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Maybe you could extend the .png for the name/logo by the amount of pixels the logo takes up? As long as it has a transparent background, it shouldn't do anything bad
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> *extend the png on the left side
[18:26] <shadeslayer> maco: thanks for blocking the stupid diamond thingy
[18:26] <maco> shadeslayer: np
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Works!
[18:27] <lex79> good ! \o/
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: but that patch was introduced for a reason. It'll need pitti approval
[18:27] <shadeslayer> still upgrading here :D
[18:28] <Oxymoron> amichair: Where to do that then?
[18:29] <lex79> JontheEchidna: btw that patch was introduced by Debian not by Ubuntu
[18:29] <Oxymoron> amichair: And the problem is that Kaffeine and Dragonplayer GUI show transparent video output window so I see the window image from the thin beneath the player. It have been like that since one Karmic update before ...
[18:30] <amichair> Oxymoron: I was thinking System Settings -> Multimedia, but now that I look at it, it looks more audio-oriented
[18:30] <lex79> JontheEchidna: pitti approved :)
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> nice
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> he'll probably sponsor it then
[18:30] <Oxymoron> amichair: Yes, you cant change anything there, just switch between xine and gstreamer, are you kidding with me it sucks ****************************************
[18:31] <Oxymoron> amichair: I have been trying to sort this out for ages now and want a solution. I have been pointed to this channel to ask, because I am confident that its KDE issue somewhere in configuration but I dont know what.
[18:32] <Oxymoron> amichair: Could also be something with QT framework as well.
[18:33] <Oxymoron> Oh and recently when I updated Lucid I got some gtk upgrades and recently Gnome panel start to appear beneath my KDE panels? :O Whys that? :S
[18:34] <Oxymoron> amichair: Could be Kubuntu specific as well, some typo somewhere or anything.
[18:34] <amichair> Oxymoron: sorry, I don't know much about that...
[18:35] <Oxymoron> amichair: No other developer seem to do it either and I am a end user and have been struggling around everywhere on Google and try to find a solution. If Google, devlopers or Isnt able to sort this out, who should? :P
[18:37] <Oxymoron> Its enough crashes in Lucid itself, but this video problem didnt work in "stable" Karmic either and its really annoys me now as hell. It shoudnt be impossible to find the bug, error or misconfiguration?
[18:37] <Oxymoron> Nothing wrong with nVidia, XServer, Xine thats for sure, tried everything there.
[18:37]  * Oxymoron is brb, reboot
[18:40] <shadeslayer> oh btw kcm touchpad is really buggy
[18:40] <shadeslayer> i would suggest removing it from the default install
[18:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: works perfectly now :)
[18:41] <lex79> :)
[18:45] <shadeslayer> I might get a 1 TB HDD in the next few days :P
[18:45]  * shadeslayer crosses his fingers
[18:47] <Oxymoron> amichair: back ;)
[18:47] <nixternal> whew, all my clerical duties are almost complete
[18:48] <nixternal> damn, gotta do this team report crap so nhandler doesn't beat me up
[18:48] <Riddell> nixternal: which team is tha?
[18:48] <nixternal> developer membership board
[18:54] <maco> aww no agateau
[18:55] <maco> my tray is growing uncontrollably again
[18:55] <maco> sebas: ping?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> nice... rekonq added a improved urlbar
[18:57]  * shadeslayer gets to packaging the new rekonq version
[18:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: note that'll need a FFe
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh im just uploading to my PPA :P
[19:01] <Riddell> that's all good then
[19:01] <nixternal> ok, team report done
[19:01] <nixternal> next?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and i dont think you guys will accept git version of a app :P
[19:02] <Riddell> ah, no
[19:02] <nixternal> I have seen it done in the past, just to get the package in before any freezes
[19:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw are all patches put in .pc now
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ?
[19:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no they're put in debian/patches , quilt uses .pc to keep track of them
[19:04] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[19:12] <shtylman> Riddell: are we gonna have 4.4.2 for lucid?
[19:12] <shtylman> or is freeze gonna prevent that?
[19:13] <Riddell> shtylman: already in
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when will it be available?
[19:14] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: when it's all built
[19:14] <Riddell> when it compiles
[19:14] <Riddell> lex79: oh is kdebindings ok to upload?
[19:14] <lex79> Riddell: yes, I added a new package
[19:15] <Riddell> lex79: what was the phonon compile issue on the mailing list?
[19:15] <lex79> stolen from debian ;)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: when will it be built :p
[19:15] <lex79> Riddell: it's fixed, I sent a couple of mails in ML and they fixed
[19:16] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: noone knows how many hours it takes
[19:16] <lex79> Riddell: it was about smoke, it always smoke fault :)
[19:16] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:17] <Riddell> that's why smoke is banned in public places
[19:17] <lex79> lol
[19:18] <shadeslayer> bleh : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42525105/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.rekonq_0.4.0%2Bgit20100330-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you'd better wish me luck now since even if I start preparing I won't make it for tomorrow :/
[19:18] <lex79> shadeslayer: I don't think is the right moment to build packages :)
[19:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that'll be the 4.4.2 upload, it's compiled on i386 but not amd64 I expect, just wait and retry
[19:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeah i can see that :)
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[19:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I will have KOffice ready tomorrow, is that okay?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: i figured that out since the 1386 build is going fine :P
[19:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: groovy
[19:20] <shtylman> Riddell: cool
[19:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: one more thing, about this KoReport, should I grab the source from koffice tarball and make entirely another package or just pull those koreport files into *.install file and add another package to debian/control?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> kubotu: googlefight KDE gnome
[19:21] <kubotu> KDE (40,200,000) vs. gnome (17,000,000) -- KDE wins!
[19:21] <shadeslayer> oh wow.... didnt expext that :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> *expect
[19:22] <lex79> Riddell: Debian is switching to source format 3 for qt4 package. Do we want this for lucid or is too late?
[19:22] <Riddell> lex79: I'd rather not for lucid
[19:22] <Riddell> infact we probably can't until a new upstream version appears
[19:23] <lex79> ok
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ok um,i cant see what the problem is with : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42525668/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.rekonq_0.4.0%2Bgit20100330-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:23] <shadeslayer> these are completely new errors for me :)
[19:25] <Quintasan> lex79: Do you have any protips for getting modified *.install files out of pbuilders environment? I'm getting tired of remembering what I changed where
[19:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's an upstream bug
[19:26] <Riddell> something weird when their build system runs the test suite
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: really? works on my local machine
[19:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how about in a pbuilder?
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dunno.. i dont have a good internet connection :)
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok well if its a upstream bug,ill check it out tomorrow... really tired right now :D
[19:29] <Riddell> ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a k  http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_logotype_black.png
[19:29] <Quintasan> The "K" for president !
[19:29] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for Riddell
[19:29]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Riddell.
[19:29] <Quintasan> that's a nice K
[19:29] <Quintasan> I liKe it
[19:29] <maco> its a little curvy on the bottom stick. i like :)
[19:32] <lex79> Quintasan: if I understand, you should copy what you have in pbuilder in your package. Browse your pbuilder directory :)
[19:33] <Quintasan> now I dunno what you mean
[19:34] <Quintasan> I build something and get FTBFS and drop to shell, modify some *.install files, and instead of remembering what I changed I want to get them OUTSIDE the pbuilder chroot
[19:35] <lex79> Quintasan: yes, go into pbuilder chroot, and copy the install files that you changed to your package in your home
[19:35] <lex79> go to pbuilder chroot with dolphin :)
[19:36] <Quintasan> @_@
[19:36] <lex79> that's the trick
[19:36] <Quintasan> oh lol
[19:36] <Quintasan> now I see it :D
[19:36] <Riddell> nixternal: around or did you run off?
[19:37] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:37] <jjesse> he's probablly out to lunch :)
[19:37] <Quintasan> lex79: strange, inside build/1767/home/quintasan/Sauce/pbuilder I have only ccache dir
[19:39] <lex79> second
[19:40] <Quintasan> nvm, it was in /tmp inside the chroot
[19:40] <Quintasan> strange
[19:40] <lex79> yes, it's in tmp :)
[19:42]  * nhandler needs to send out a reminder about team reports, but it looks like at least some people are remembering without it
[19:43] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/e6QDG9Ra.html
[19:43] <Quintasan> what the hell?!
[19:44] <lex79> weird, not here
[20:38] <Quintasan> shtylman: Grats on getting membership :)
[20:44] <Tm_T> shtylman: now get your cloak
[20:44] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: I got same error sometimes in Lancelot ;) Not sure why though.
[20:44] <shtylman> heh
[20:45] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: That was Lancelot screenshot :O
[20:45] <Quintasan> shtylman: I think it is time that someone should design Kubuntu business cards for us
[20:45] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Yes, thats what I mean?
[20:46]  * Quintasan too stubborn to use Ubuntu one
[20:46] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: I thought you though it wasn't Lancelot in my screenshot
[20:46]  * Quintasan notes thinking this late hou yields horrible results
[20:46] <Quintasan> :P
[20:47] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Isnt that Lancelot? :S
[20:47] <shtylman> Quintasan: ooo ... that sounds pretty cool actually :)
[20:48] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: nevermind, it's just my strange way of thinking :P
[20:48] <Quintasan> shtylman: I bet Riddell wants one :)
[20:49] <shtylman> Quintasan: yea... im sure he would
[20:49]  * maco would be surprised if he doesnt have them
[20:50] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Haha alright :P
[20:50] <Quintasan> maco: We do not have a Kubuntu business card, right?
[20:50] <maco> doesnt mean you cant make your own
[20:50] <maco> i made my own ubuntu ones in OOo because the thingies on the wiki didnt work right
[20:50] <Quintasan> >implying that it wouldn't look like crap when made by me
[20:50] <Quintasan> :P
[20:53] <Quintasan> maco: if I was skilled enough to pull it off without embarassing myself I would do one and say that we could use them but my artistic skill is nowhere near good :(
[20:56] <nhandler> Quintasan: You can ask doctormo if he would make some. He just made up some new Ubuntu cards to use the new theme
[20:58] <Quintasan> Good idea nhandler. I'll do that after I finish that KOffice
[20:58]  * Quintasan was doing it for two weeks and it is time to finish it once for all
[21:16] <Quintasan> I'm not entirely sure libs like libkobase.so should be missing :O
[21:16] <nhandler> Quintasan: For the cards, they should have nixternal's face on them to match the plymouth theme, right?
[21:17] <Quintasan> I'm not sure, let me consult my lawyer...
[21:17] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what is the full path of the library?
[21:18] <Quintasan> nhandler: Doing that is like asking for Trouble, I don't want to be recognized everywhere as nixternal
[21:18] <Quintasan> :P
[21:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: #usr/lib/libkobase.so.6
[21:18] <Quintasan> without #
[21:19] <Quintasan> I hope dh_install --list-missing will catch some of those
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: that should be installed. only when it doesn't have an so number at the very end should it not be installed
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> and only if it is in /usr/lib/
[21:19] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: fails installing saying such files doesn't exist
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> :s
[21:19] <Quintasan> :/
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> I thought you said it was in list-missing?
[21:20] <Quintasan> No, koffice-libs.install has this inside and the whole building process fails
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> ls debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkobase*? Maybe the number got bumped
[21:21] <Quintasan> nope
[21:21] <Quintasan> not there at all
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> then the library got removed
[21:22] <Quintasan> well, let me get to list-missing list first of all then I will figure what is wrong
[21:22] <Quintasan> I thing we want some build-deps to be promoted to main (if they are not already)
[21:22] <Quintasan> like sqlite libs
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> we will if we want to move koffice back to main in the future, but for now I wouldn't worry about it
[21:25]  * Quintasan forgot KOffice is in universe
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[21:27]  * Quintasan ordered Motorola Milestone
[21:27] <Quintasan> \o/
[21:27] <Quintasan> Too bad that my Nokia E61 went crazy
[21:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: alive?
[21:31] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: grats on membership :)
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> thanks Quintasan
[21:31] <Quintasan> You're welcome
[21:31] <Quintasan> Time for some classical music
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm, nickserv is slow so I don't identify till after i logged in... hmm.
[21:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: You have some experience in Qt development, right?
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: making things with Qt? Or developing Qt itself?
[21:33] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: making things with Qt
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I have some experience with that
[21:35] <nhandler> DarkwingDuck: Use the server password field instead
[21:35] <Quintasan> I'm learning about classes, and that destructor thingy, if Qt uses classes and objects shouldn't destructors be declarated within Qt libs? I wrote a Qt app before and my friend said I'm not using a destructor to free memory, and I was like "What?"
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> nhandler: ahhh sweet, thanks
[21:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: generally in Qt if you're using widgets every widget has a parent except the top level window, when one class gets deleted it takes care of deleting all the child classes
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: your class needs a destructor. Qt will call that when the parent gets destructed. You don't have to do much, though.
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> Class::~Class {} should generally be enough, unless you create objects on the stack that don't have a parent via new
[21:37] <Quintasan> awesome
[21:37] <Quintasan> at leasts it seems so :P
[21:37] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Common_Programming_Mistakes#memory_leaks
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh. nhandler thanks works now
[21:39]  * Quintasan is learning about inheritance
[21:39] <JontheEchidna> Basically, QObjects with a destructor will call the destructor of all child QObjects if they have one
[21:39] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: it's nice and shiny
[21:40] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: It will dull over time
[21:40] <nhandler> DarkwingDuck: Glad to hear that
[21:40] <Tm_T> nah
[21:40] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: just remember, polish & shine
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> I'll let my contribution work shine it for me.
[21:41] <Quintasan> That's the attitude!
[21:41]  * Quintasan highfives DarkwingDuck
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> :D TY Quintasan
[21:42] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of... the ToDo list. If something doesn't have a name is it then open for adoption?
[21:43] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: probably yes
[21:43] <Riddell> got anything in mind?
[21:44] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: More in teh Marketing Side.
[21:44] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not much of a programmer... Was someone working on Kubuntu Contacts with-in LoCos?
[21:45] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: nope, that needs doing (and working out what to do with them)
[21:45] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll start putting together something for that and possibly Marketing Slogans
[21:49] <rgreening> I cant believe no one noticed that usb-creator-kde was broken under lucid :(
[21:51] <larsivi> hey - after rebooting this evening (several things had been updated, like kernel, grub and other stuff), KDE refuse to get me online
[21:52] <Riddell> rgreening: it's been working for me recently but not since 4.4.2 update
[21:52] <Riddell> rgreening: but also the -gtk one was broken too I think
[21:52] <Riddell> larsivi: probably not all the packages are built
[21:52] <larsivi> presumably networkmanager isn't running properly, as none of the interfaces were up
[21:52] <rgreening> Riddell: this was a PyQt b0rk
[21:52] <rgreening> Riddell: there were changes in recent bindings to useage of QVariant which broke my little baby
[21:53] <rgreening> she's all better now though :)
[21:53] <larsivi> Riddell: can packages be uploaded before their dependencies?
[21:53] <rgreening> I like being upstream for at least on project :)
[21:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: How many CDs do you have left?
[21:54] <Riddell> larsivi: there can e scew between the arch all and arch amd64 packages
[21:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: whit?
[21:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: Kubuntu 9.10
[21:55]  * rgreening thinks its a good thing noone confuses CD with Communicable Disease
[21:55] <Quintasan> Damn you KOffice, damn you, even headers are being removed now
[21:56] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Are you on the LoCo ML?
[21:57] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: nope
[21:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh, dunno, lots I'm told
[21:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: You want to be CCed on emails sent out?
[21:57] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: ok
[21:57] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I think we want to find kubuntu contacts in each loco and have a resource page with things they can use to promote kubuntu
[21:58] <maco> put me down for DC
[21:58] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: so I guess in your first e-mail ask for people who want to be contacts and what resources they have which could be pooled
[21:58] <maco> though er...
[21:58] <maco> are scottk and seele both in the dc loco too? i was guessing they're md loco
[21:58] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: also there's a loco database I think, we could get that so it lists the kubuntu contact maybe
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I was going to collect names to LoCos then setup a Wiki page for placing the information
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> Work with the LoCo guys in merging or, adding to lists
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid reached EOL today
[22:02] <DarkwingDuck> bbiaf
[22:18] <sgh> Riddell: Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/550000 recent commits by you?
[22:20] <Riddell> sgh: the patches are by agateau
[22:21] <sgh> Riddell: sorry .... from agateau .. commit by you :) Does it fix 550000 ?
[22:23] <Riddell> sgh: i don't know
[22:23] <sgh> Riddell: ok thanks..
[23:04] <Riddell> 30 days and 15 bugs to go
[23:05] <Riddell> one bug every 2 days
[23:05] <Riddell> we can do this!
[23:14] <Tm_T> yummy, coffee and cola drink mixed, makes mug look very icky
[23:14] <lex79> one bug should already go if pitti upload my fix for hal
[23:14] <Riddell> I might well just upload it
[23:17] <nixternal> Riddell: I am here now
[23:18] <nixternal> Quintasan: what's up with koffice? you backporting it to karmic or something?
[23:19] <nixternal> I uploaded 2.1.2 to lucid yesterday
[23:19] <nixternal> 2 files are in list-missing, and they are for kivio and I think the other was kformula.desktop
[23:22] <Riddell> nixternal: see that logo?  able to update the plymouth splash with it?
[23:23] <nixternal> what logo?
[23:23] <nixternal> that one on your p.c.c/~jriddell page?
[23:24] <nixternal> Riddell: have an svg of it or just the png?
[23:24] <nixternal> oooh, I have something I want to try with that that might look kind of cool
[23:25] <Riddell> nixternal: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu_logotype_black.svg
[23:26] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/kubuntu1.png
[23:27] <nixternal> that would look kind of cool, but the logo, I don't know
[23:27] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm that doesn't look good on my screen unless I tilt the screen forwards
[23:27] <nixternal> ahh, OK, I will hook up the new logo the way it is now...gimme a minute
[23:31] <nathan_> you all are great. I'm chatting from the beta on my Eee.
[23:31] <Riddell> nathan_: did you use the live installer?  does it fit in the screen resolution?
[23:32] <nathan_> yeah I remember it not being a problem.
[23:33] <nathan_> I used usb-creator to make a flashdrive installer.
[23:34] <nathan_> The netbook activitie are much improved.
[23:36] <nathan_> I have a spare partition to install it again.
[23:38] <nixternal> Riddell: http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth4.png
[23:40] <lex79> nice :)
[23:40] <Riddell> nixternal: bling bling
[23:53] <shtylman> nixternal: thats hot
[23:54] <shtylman> the day of reckoning is upon us :)
[23:55] <shtylman> nixternal: is that gonna hit for beta 2?
[23:56] <nixternal> shtylman: yes
[23:56] <shtylman> nice
[23:56] <nixternal> gonna go ahead and update bzr then upload a package
[23:56] <shtylman> Riddell: are the artwork people gonna cleanup our logo? or is that something I should take upon myself to do?
[23:57] <Riddell> shtylman: all we got was the lettering, didn't touch the gear stamp bit
[23:57] <Riddell> shtylman: what needs cleaned up?
[23:57] <shtylman> Riddell: just to check for consistency ... make sure everything is centered as needed
[23:57] <shtylman> and check for grid alignment where we can :)