[00:00] <Twisol> A grub prompt comes up after the failure, yes. I don't know what recovery mode is though, strictly speaking.
[00:00] <Twisol> (besides a, uh, mode for recovery.)
[00:01] <James147> Twisol: there should be a menu that appears (where you can select different operating systems) might need to hit escape to get it
[00:02] <genii> James147: In grub2 it's shift key
[00:02] <Twisol> I've never had to hit ESC to get to that menu, it's always been the first thing to come up
[00:02] <Twisol> fairly sure this is grub 1
[00:04] <Typos_King> ...
[00:04] <Typos_King> Twisol:   the wubi installs, install to a win32 directory usually, right?
[00:04] <Twisol> This is how I usually boot up into Wubi. I previously installed another Ubuntu setup, so I have one GRUB to go through first. I select Windows there. Then I have a selection of Windows and Kubuntu, and I choose Kubuntu. After I select that, normally it goes into the final GRUB-based bootloader, but now it errors out and sends me into a sh:grub> prompt
[00:04] <Twisol> Typos, that's my understanding of it, yes
[00:04] <Typos_King> yeah...
[00:05] <Twisol> I tried running chkdsk. No change.
[00:05] <Typos_King> tricky thing is, wubi doesn't really load grub, it just adds itself to win32 ntldr
[00:05] <Twisol> Yes, which then lets you load into it, right
[00:05] <Typos_King> right
[00:05] <Twisol> I installed a real Ubuntu partition before, though, so I have a real GRUB first
[00:05] <Twisol> then the Windows bootloader
[00:06] <Typos_King> so... your error is, the ntldr line I assume?
[00:06] <Twisol> then what's apparently a grub4dos bootloader
[00:06] <Twisol> no, I get to the ntldr bootloader fine
[00:06] <Twisol> it's when I select the Kubuntu option, GRUB errors out and throws me into a sh:grub> prompt
[00:06] <Typos_King> so... you do get to a grub menu after that?.. I see
[00:06] <Twisol> the errors are apprently a bunch of "invalid command" things, but I can't tell much more because thye're only on there for a flicker
[00:06] <Typos_King>  at least you get a prompt :P
[00:06] <Twisol> Yeah.
[00:06] <Typos_King> well
[00:06] <Twisol> Normally I get a the OS-list
[00:07] <Twisol> Now it errors and gives me a prompt
[00:07] <Typos_King> is not a great idea... but do a 'fsck' on it
[00:07] <Twisol> *get the
[00:07] <Typos_King> at the prompt
[00:07] <Twisol> Will that format it? or is that fdisk?
[00:07] <Typos_King> fsck?   FileSystemChecK, more or less close to a chkdsk
[00:08] <Twisol> Ahh.
[00:08] <Twisol> Ok.
[00:08] <Twisol> error: unknown command 'fsck'. This is a GRUB prompt, not an Ubuntu prompt
[00:08] <Twisol> >_>
[00:09] <Typos_King> ..
[00:09] <Typos_King> ok
[00:09]  * Typos_King thinks
[00:11] <Typos_King> ..
[00:11] <Typos_King> what does it say when you type in -> find stage2
[00:11] <Twisol> unknown command 'find'
[00:12] <Twisol> if I hit TAB it gives me a list of valid commands
[00:12] <Twisol> should I write them down here?
[00:12] <Typos_King> nah
[00:12] <Typos_King> I know those
[00:13] <Twisol> I spotted a parser.rescue command, but I don't know what it does
[00:13] <Twisol> and a parser.sh command
[00:13] <Twisol> since my prompt is sh:grub>, I assume it's running parser.sh now?
[00:13] <Typos_King> no
[00:14] <Twisol> because when I ran parser.rescue it changed to rescue:grub>
[00:14] <Hazamonzo> remind me.. whats the name os some kubuntu scanning software?
[00:15] <Hazamonzo> xene or soemthing?
[00:15] <genii> Hazamonzo: To scan what?
[00:15] <Hazamonzo> genii: Oh sorry. Images from my scanner
[00:15] <genii> aquireimages
[00:16] <Hazamonzo> genii: Is that the one you recommend? The last one i used worked pretty well but it wasn't called that
[00:16] <Hazamonzo> it was by default a command line tool
[00:16] <Typos_King> Hazamonzo:   there's Kooka
[00:16] <Hazamonzo> but there was also a gui you could download
[00:16] <genii> Hazamonzo: scanimage  is the cli tool
[00:17] <Typos_King> and I think digiKam may also do it
[00:17] <genii> (sane, xsane, etc)
[00:17] <Hazamonzo> I see
[00:17] <Hazamonzo> aaaah, sane! thats the one
[00:17] <Hazamonzo> so i install sane and then i havethe choice above for client tools?
[00:19] <genii> Hazamonzo: sane is the backend part. To scan from commandline you need sane-utils  which gives you scanimage
[00:20] <Hazamonzo> genii: Okay
[00:20] <genii> Typos_King: kooka is not available any more
[00:21] <Typos_King> ... ack
[00:21] <Typos_King> well
[00:21] <Typos_King> Twisol:    still there?
[00:25] <Twisol> Typos_King: Yes, sorry. Working from an example on a forum
[00:27] <Typos_King> heh
[00:27] <Typos_King> are you still at the grub prompt?
[00:27] <Twisol> Yes
[00:27] <Twisol> I was following this post
[00:27] <Twisol> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8289630&postcount=8
[00:28] <Twisol> Everything worked up until I entered "boot". When I hit "boot", the system shuts down and restarts from the beginning, and I still have the same issue
[00:28] <Typos_King> ...
[00:28] <Typos_King> hehe, I had about the same lines :)
[00:29] <Twisol> XD
[00:29] <Twisol> sigh
[00:31] <Typos_King> i have a slightly different lines though
[00:31] <Typos_King> sorta
[00:31] <Twisol> Ahah
[00:31] <Twisol> I backed up one kernel version
[00:31] <Typos_King> those lines there are relying on the fact you are using kernel 2.6.31.14
[00:31] <Twisol> It's booting
[00:31] <Twisol> Yes, I replaced it with my numbers
[00:31] <Twisol> Ohhhhhh
[00:31] <Typos_King> ohh... cool
[00:31] <Twisol> I know what happened.
[00:32] <Twisol> I installed updates.
[00:32] <Twisol> It needed to restart, but I hadn't gotten around to it.
[00:32] <Twisol> Then when it shut off like that, it got, uh, inconsistent
[00:32] <Twisol> Awesome.
[00:32] <dan_____> hii does anyone knows how to specify stereo output device in amarok2?
[00:36] <xenaxon__> guys is there any weather program for Kubuntu
[00:36] <dan_____> may plasmoids
[00:36] <Typos_King> may?
[00:36] <Typos_King> what about july ones? =P
[00:36] <dan_____> sorry many
[00:36] <Typos_King> xenaxon__:    there,check for weather plasmoids
[00:36] <Mark^> Hey there.
[00:37] <Mark^> I installed Kubuntu and upgraded it, but after I restarted it for the first time.. It crashes when it get into the OS
[00:37] <Mark^> why?
[00:38] <Mark^> Like, after I enter the username and password, it freezes always
[00:40] <xenaxon__> is there google earth for kubuntu
[00:40] <xenaxon__> ?
[00:40] <Typos_King> ...
[00:40] <gottto> Mark^: don't log in - hit ctrl+alt+f2 and login and the X log with   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log   and see why
[00:41] <genii> xenaxon__: Yes
[00:41] <gottto> *read the X log
[00:41] <Typos_King> xenaxon__:    I see a googleearth-package in the repos
[00:41] <xenaxon__> package?
[00:41] <xenaxon__> 1sec
[00:41] <Mark^> okay just a sec..
[00:42] <Typos_King> 1,2,3.7,12, 17
[00:42] <Typos_King> I waited more than 1 sec :P
[00:42] <genii> xenaxon__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth#Alternative%20%20Installation
[00:43] <xenaxon__> I love kubuntu
[00:43] <xenaxon__> I'm never going back to windows
[00:43] <xenaxon__> :D
[00:44] <Hazamonzo> xenaxon__: Yay!
[00:46] <xenaxon__> how can I set a shortcut for the terminal?
[00:46] <Typos_King> isn't there one already?
[00:46] <Typos_King> in the menus to Konsole
[00:47] <Typos_King> you can pretty much grab any of the kde menu items and drag/drop them on the desktop
[00:47] <James147> xenaxon__: run kmenuedit -> find the program you want -> Advanced tab
[00:47] <James147> xenaxon__: thats a keyboard shotcut :p
[00:48] <xenaxon__> :D
[00:48] <xenaxon__> does kubuntu support multiple monitors?
[00:48] <Typos_King> yes
[00:48] <James147> xenaxon__: other wise right clicking or draging it works
[00:54] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[00:55] <Typos_King> allo
[00:55] <phoenix_> Typos_King: i am using kubuntu 9.10 with kde 4.1.1. apt-get hangs saying "waiting for headers" at 9%. can you help me
[00:55] <Typos_King> new install?
[00:55] <phoenix_> Typos_King: sorry thats 99&
[00:56] <phoenix_> Typos_King: you mean kubuntu?
[00:56] <Typos_King> yes
[00:56] <phoenix_> Typos_King: no , i have been using it far the past 5 months
[00:58] <phoenix_> Typos_King: i got some new errors. i will paste it here
[00:58] <phoenix_> Typos_King: W: Failed to fetch http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/intrepid-i386/arch/./Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[00:58] <phoenix_> Typos_King: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[00:59] <Typos_King> ... so
[00:59] <phoenix_> Typos_King: the above was one of the error messages
[01:04] <Hazamonzo> hmm. im not 100% that my graphics are working correctly. For example if i goto "configure window behaviour" im informed that "Compositing is temporarily disabled" If i clock the "resume compositing" my screen goes white and all i can see is my mouse pointer..
[01:04] <Typos_King> doesn't sound like much of a biggie
[01:04] <xenaxon__> I've installed google earth but it's not showing in the applications
[01:04] <Hazamonzo> Im using Karmic and a geforce.... 8800
[01:04] <Hazamonzo> What will i do without wobbly windows??!
[01:04] <Hazamonzo> :D
[01:05] <Typos_King> hehh
[01:05] <Hazamonzo> Any thoughts guys to what i can do to debug this issue? Nothing too complex though
[01:06] <Hazamonzo> Im pretty sure it worked out of the box last time i installed 9.10
[01:06] <Typos_King> phoenix_:     does -> sudo apt-get -f install; do anything?
[01:06] <Typos_King> I'd think it may not do anything :|
[01:06] <phoenix_> Typos_King: i will try that now
[01:07] <Typos_King> xenaxon__:    I don't run google earth...... not sure what the executable will be
[01:07] <th3sk3ptic> has anyone gotten iphone to work like in ubuntu?
[01:07] <phoenix_> Typos_King: hey
[01:08] <gottto> Hazamonzo: the X log will say why dri isn't set up
[01:08] <Typos_King> phoenix_:   yes? :)
[01:08] <Hazamonzo> gottto: i see. Lets have a look then :)
[01:09] <Typos_King> !iphone
[01:09] <th3sk3ptic> Typos_King:thanx
[01:10] <phoenix_> Typos_King: i will try to install vlc
[01:10] <Typos_King> ok :}
[01:11] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Anything in particular im looking for in the x.org log?
[01:12] <gottto> Hazamonzo: something about dri or aiglx being disabled
[01:12] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Right
[01:14] <Hazamonzo> gottto: notjing on aiglx but there are some information messages about dri will be loaded by default
[01:14] <Hazamonzo> mentions nothing about it being disabled though
[01:15] <gottto> Hazamonzo: it normally shows up middle of the log or lower - what driver is being used?
[01:16] <Hazamonzo> Information	Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
[01:17] <Hazamonzo> gottto: http://imagebin.ca/view/bYFyl91I.html
[01:17] <gottto> Hazamonzo: can you paste the whole log pls?
[01:18] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Sure thing
[01:21] <poyntz> when i try to print from okular it only prints 1 blank page
[01:21] <poyntz> can someone tell me how i can print a PDF from okular n not have it just spit out a blank page?
[01:22] <Hazamonzo> gottto: http://pastebin.com/kyYibv2a
[01:22] <Hazamonzo> Cheers!
[01:22] <gottto> k
[01:24] <gottto> Hazamonzo: (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture - says you don't have 3d
[01:24] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Interesting. I enabled the proprietary driver
[01:25] <gottto> Hazamonzo: you need some options in your xorg.conf file - I don't know nvidia tho
[01:26] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Okay. I'll do a little googling. Its odd that it doesn't work out of the box though. Since it did last time
[01:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hazamonzo: what's the problem?
[01:26] <Hazamonzo> gottto: Thanks for looking over the log file. If you have any ideas i'll be here :)
[01:27] <Hazamonzo> oh hey DarkwingDuck. Welcome back
[01:27] <gottto> Hazamonzo: it does seem funny... not haha funny tho
[01:27] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry, was in a meeting
[01:27] <Hazamonzo> DarkwingDuck: No need to apologise
[01:28] <Hazamonzo> DarkwingDuck: It would like like (after gottto checked out my x.org log) that my graphics are not running correctly
[01:28] <Hazamonzo> the log file pastebin is...
[01:28] <Hazamonzo> DarkwingDuck: http://pastebin.com/kyYibv2a
[01:28]  * genii makes more coffee
[01:28] <Hazamonzo> genii: yay for coffee!!
[01:28] <genii> Hazamonzo: Elixir of the gods!
[01:28] <Hazamonzo> DarkwingDuck: Gotto pointed this out
[01:29] <Hazamonzo> genii: Hehehe
[01:29] <Hazamonzo> [30/03/2010 01:24] <gottto> Hazamonzo: (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture - says you don't have 3d
[01:29] <Hazamonzo> DarkwingDuck: So thats the point i am at now :)
[01:30] <Uiri> erm... I have windows vista set up to dual-boot with kubuntu but whenever I try to load kubuntu, I get what I think is the GRUB shell. Whenever I try to boot from there it tells me the kernel is not found. When I exit it, it says that the operating system is not found
[01:31] <Hazamonzo> genii: Im torn whether to get a coffee or a real drink. Think i have a little whiskey in the kitchen
[01:34] <xenaxon__> guys, I have a problem
[01:34] <xenaxon__> a program won't dissapear from the taskbar
[01:35] <xenaxon__> and th Close is grayed out
[01:35] <James147> xenaxon__: what program?
[01:35] <xenaxon__> the Eye thing
[01:35] <xenaxon__> it doesn't have any text
[01:35] <xenaxon__> just an icon of an eye
[01:36] <xenaxon__> ??
[01:36] <gottto> someones' spying on you...
[01:36] <schlaftier> xenaxon__: and the eye follows the mouse pointer?
[01:37] <Typos_King> sounds like... gwenvie heh
[01:37] <xenaxon__> a program won't dissapear from the taskbar
[01:37] <xenaxon__> it's the image thingy
[01:37] <Typos_King> can you take a snapshot and paste it at imgur.com
[01:37] <xenaxon__> yes it is gwenvie
[01:37] <xenaxon__> !
[01:37] <xenaxon__> can't close it, how can I kil it
[01:37] <Typos_King> gwenview is not closing?
[01:37] <xenaxon__> yes
[01:37] <Typos_King> xenaxon__:
[01:37] <James147> xenaxon__: try "kquitapp gwenview"
[01:37] <Typos_King>  woops
[01:38] <James147> xenaxon__: if that fails try "killall gwenview"
[01:38] <xenaxon__> yes
[01:39] <xenaxon__> gwenview: no process found
[01:39] <James147> xenaxon__: try removing the taskbar and readding it?
[01:39] <gottto> xkill maybe?
[01:40] <xenaxon__> ok, I've reaadded the taskbar
[01:40] <xenaxon__> but hopefully I won't need to do that every day
[01:41] <James147> xenaxon__: hope its just a one time thing :)it ever hapened before?
[01:41] <xenaxon__> well, no... but I've only had kub for about 8 hours
[01:55] <xenaxon__> help. how can I make one of my windows programs work on kub
[01:55] <xenaxon__> ?
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> wine?
[01:56] <James147> xenaxon__: wine
[01:56] <DarkwingDuck> http://winehq.org/
[01:57] <James147> xenaxon__: but what is the program? maby there is an alternitive you can use...
[01:57] <xenaxon__> it's macromedia fireworks
[01:57] <xenaxon__> or photoshop
[01:58] <James147> xenaxon__: gimp is a good replacment for photoshop :)
[01:59] <James147> xenaxon__: or inkscape for vector graphics
[01:59] <xenaxon__> good won't cut it
[01:59] <xenaxon__> I need functionality
[02:00] <James147> xenaxon__: gimp has just as much functinaly as photoshop, i tend to prefure it :)
[02:00] <James147> xenaxon__: although I have used photoshop in a while :S
[02:00] <James147> xenaxon__: try it... its free :)
[02:00] <xenaxon__> I am
[02:01] <xenaxon__> I hope it does what I need
[02:01] <xenaxon__> It's installing a heap load of additional plugins
[02:01] <James147> xenaxon__: gimp has alot of plugins :S
[02:02] <xenaxon__> I can see :D
[02:02] <xenaxon__> if gimp fits the description
[02:02] <xenaxon__> I only need 1 thing done
[02:03] <xenaxon__> setting up a local web server so I can develop my applications
[02:04] <James147> xenaxon__: linux is made for web servers :D so that wint going to be to hard
[02:04] <xenaxon__> I like the window effects
[02:04] <xenaxon__> they are very nice
[02:04] <James147> xenaxon__: plenty of tutorials out there
[02:04] <xenaxon__> but the cube is wasting 2 seconds of my time
[02:04] <xenaxon__> so I disabled it
[02:04] <James147> xenaxon__: set it to very fast :)
[02:05] <xenaxon__> and there's still a problem
[02:05] <xenaxon__> I don't know all the hotkeys
[02:05] <xenaxon__> what's the terminal hotkey
[02:07] <James147> xenaxon__: dont think there is one by default -> kmenuedit -> <find konsole or what ever terminal you want> -> advanced ...   or virtual consoles alt+ctrl+F1-6 (alt+ctrl+f7 to get back to gui, some times can be higher) or just use alt + F2 for krunner
[02:09] <xenaxon__> great
[02:10] <xenaxon__> gotta write that down until I can remember it
[02:13] <xenaxon__> kopete doesn't have MSN?
[02:13] <xenaxon__> and also no gchat
[02:14] <James147> xenaxon__: kopete dose have msn (windows live its called)
[02:15] <James147> xenaxon__: gchat, google chat? it can do that as well (it uses the jabber protocal, google has a how to for setting it up... never got mine to work though :S)
[02:15] <xenaxon__> yes google chat
[02:16] <James147> xenaxon__: Then yes, it dose both :D
[02:17] <James147> xenaxon__: although, never got video chat working in kopete for msn... not sure it can
[02:44] <phoenix_> can anyone suggest me a place where i can find vlc 1.0.5 deb
[02:44] <gottto> maybe   getdeb   has one
[02:45] <phoenix_> i will chek that now
[02:46] <gottto> http://www.getdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/all/?category=Video%20Tools phoenix_
[02:49] <phoenix_> gottto: i will try to install it and i will be back
[02:49] <gottto> luck
[02:49] <phoenix_> gottto: ty
[03:04]  * genii sips
[03:15] <xenaxon__> guys, big problem
[03:16] <xenaxon__> my laptop won't go into standby
[03:16] <xenaxon__> when I close top
[03:17] <gottto> anything useful in dmesg | tail ?
[03:42] <bigtom21485> anyone know how to get wifi for kubuntu?
[03:43] <Uiri> bigtom21485 try opening KNetwork Manager I think...
[03:43] <bigtom21485> oh wait i got it i had to update and now the propiretary drivers are showing up
[03:48] <m0in> #ipodtouchfans
[03:52] <bigtom21485> alright now when i load kubuntu i just get a black screen
[03:52] <bigtom21485> wow, i shouldve stayed with ubuntu
[03:53] <bigtom21485> if someone can help me that'd be much appreciated
[03:59] <phoenix_> gottto: what is the command to uninstall a software completly
[03:59] <gottto> phoenix_: a deb from getdeb??
[04:00] <phoenix_> gottto: i did that. but strange thing happened . i will tell you
[04:01] <gottto> dpkg --purge "packagename
[04:01] <gottto> "
[04:02] <phoenix_> gottto: before i came here for help i downloaded vlc 1.0.4 source and compiled it. at the last stage of the make it gave an error so i thought it failed
[04:02] <gottto> k
[04:04] <gottto> phoenix_: that's why checkinstall was invented
[04:04] <phoenix_> gottto: my pervious version was vlc 1.0.2, i installed the vlc 1.0.5 from the link you gave me, now when i opened vlc and found it was 1.0.4.no video, only audio.
[04:04] <gottto> phoenix_: the 5 version might be in /usr/local/bin
[04:05] <phoenix_> gottto: i tried to uninstall vlc and reinstall, but the setup finishes in seconds and i get back the vlc 1.0.4 version
[04:05] <phoenix_> gottto:  i will check that
[04:07] <phoenix_> gottto: in usr/local/bin vlc 1.0.4 is there. if i compile a source, does it automatically install the compiled package
[04:08] <gottto> phoenix_: the make install command does - you should use checkinstall so you can remove apps if they break tho
[04:08] <gottto> !checkinstall
[04:09] <gottto> phoenix_: try in terminal   find / -name vlc1.0.5
[04:09] <phoenix_> ok
[04:15] <phoenix_> gottto: the command "find / -name vlc1.0.5" returned nothing.
[04:16] <phoenix_> gottto: what dhould i do now, should i have to make the package again with the checkinstall command
[04:17] <gottto> phoenix_: I don't know how that will solve the no video prob
[04:17] <gottto> phoenix_: you could ask in #videolan
[04:18] <phoenix_> gottto: no , i want to do a fresh install, so how to uninstall completely
[04:21] <gottto> phoenix_: that's hard without the checkinstall part - find / -name vlc - and remove all that are listed is an option
[04:22] <phoenix_> gottto: i will try to use the checkinstall and remove method
[04:22] <gottto> phoenix_: luck :)
[04:24] <nomadz__> i have installed kubuntu and ubuntu on same drive, ubuntu was installed first, how do i keep kubuntu from using the 'startup' options of ubuntu?? can both be setup for their own startup options?
[04:28] <phoenix_> gottto: the checkinstall resulted in error
[04:29] <phoenix_> gottto: i will paste the error
[04:29] <gottto> k
[04:29] <phoenix_> gottto: "make: *** [install] Error 2"
[04:29] <phoenix_> gottto: "****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation."
[04:30] <phoenix_> "Restoring overwritten files from backup...OK Cleaning up...OK Bye."
[04:30] <gottto> phoenix_: above the "make: *** [install] Error 2" it will say what failed
[04:31] <phoenix_> gottto: http://paste.ubuntu.com/406316/
[04:32] <gottto> k
[04:33] <gottto> phoenix_: error: X11/extensions/XShm.h: means you don't have a lib it needs - when you do ./configure you need to add options - do ./configure -h   to see the options
[04:34] <phoenix_> gottto: this is the error message i get in terminal when i run vlc -->http://paste.ubuntu.com/406318/
[04:36] <gottto> phoenix_: you need to add options to ./configure like --enable-X
[04:36] <phoenix_> gottto: i will try that
[04:37] <gottto> k
[04:38] <nomadz__> the current vlc is at 1.0.5
[04:57] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, poke -- I have a KDE related question
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: Shoot
[04:58] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I'm trying to install Kivio but I can't find it anywhere
[04:58] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, it is in Debian, but not Ubuntu, and the old versions look pulled
[04:58] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I'm real confused about it
[04:59] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, Oh, and I'm on lucid
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: one sec
[05:01] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, brb, take your time, I'll poke you when I get back
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: I got an answer
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: It's not included with KOffice 2.1 series. It will be on KOffice 2.2. They are on 2.2Beta right now... Maybe late summer to fall they will have it included. You can try getting the dev sourse and building it if you needed it.
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: More info on KOffice 2.2Beta1 http://www.koffice.org/news/koffice-2-2-beta-1/ http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=unstable/koffice-2.1.81/koffice-2.1.81.tar.bz2
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: The last link was the download
[05:07] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: if ya need anything else ping me bro
[05:07] <m2ye> Hello
[05:08] <m2ye> Is anyone else on this island?
[05:29] <phoenix_> gottto: finally reinstalled vlc
[05:29] <gottto> phoenix_: what was the trick?
[05:30] <phoenix_> gottto: searched all the dir for vlc and deleted everything
[05:30] <gottto> phoenix_: well done :)
[05:31] <phoenix_> gottto: thanks a lot gottto. its very hard to compile a source
[05:31] <gottto> phoenix_: it takes some practise...
[05:32] <phoenix_> gottto: ya, today i learned from you that i should use checkinstall during compilation
[05:32] <gottto> :)
[05:34] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, thanks!
[05:34] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I'll have to do a build
[05:35] <phoenix_> gottto: bye
[05:35] <gottto> phoenix_: see ya
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: anything else?
[05:37] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, nah, all set, thanks bro! :)
[05:37] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, any idea on why that happened?
[05:37] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: Not sure, all I know is the KOffice devs didn't include it for 2.1 series
[05:38] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, that's odd
[05:38] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: We just re-packaged it and uploaded it today... But, after talking to the packager he said that it was not included...
[05:38] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, euch. OK. Thanks.
[05:38] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, :)
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: You running Kubuntu again?
[05:39] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, just scoping it out. I am thinking about it. I have been working with the Marble guys, and I love 'em, and would love to help with Kubuntu
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: We would love to have you.
[05:40] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, thank you :)
[06:27] <zhangyan> ls
[06:27] <zhangyan> hi
[06:49] <zus> can this be done in linux kde4.4? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcmPJ-oVL0
[06:58] <zus> guess not i just read its mac and win. oh well neat idea though.
[09:08] <poyntz> when i try to print PDFs from okular it only prints a blank page. this wasn't always the problem. it's only just started doing it. would anyone know how I could get it to print normally?
[09:24] <Ahmed\> Hello
[09:25] <Ahmed\> WHen i enter sudo apt-get upgrade it was downloading some updates for amarok or something and its been corrupted and nwo i cant upgrade! to anything , HELP
[09:25] <genux> apt-get clean
[09:26] <genux> may help
[09:26] <Ahmed\> THANKS man lemme see
[09:26] <Ahmed\> DOes it clean the %tmp% ?
[09:26] <genux> yep
[09:26] <genux> it cleans out the /var/cache/apt directory
[09:26] <Ahmed\> read this
[09:26] <Ahmed\> Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[09:26] <Ahmed\> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[09:26] <Ahmed\> so can i delete that myself ?
[09:27] <genux> ps aux | grep apt
[09:27] <genux> to see what process is holding onto the apt
[09:27] <genux> and then kill that and do the apt-get clean
[09:27] <Ahmed\> just a second
[09:28] <Ahmed\> Its saying konverstion and grep
[09:28] <Ahmed\> should i kill both and try to clean ? cant i with bleach ?
[09:29] <gottto> the grep line is expected but konversation?
[09:30] <Ahmed\> I guess only Konverstion, should i do it manually ?
[09:30] <supermagnum> tomtom home linux support:  http://www.petitiononline.com/tomlinux/petition.html
[09:30] <supermagnum> there is a tool for tomtom under development, currently it supports just
[09:30] <supermagnum> gps update and backup.
[09:30] <supermagnum> http://pytomtom.tuxfamily.org/
[09:30] <FloodBotK1> supermagnum: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:30] <gottto> supermagnum: was that an ad?
[09:31] <supermagnum> no
[09:31] <Ahmed\> What exactly it cleans, it cleans out the /var/cache/apt directory ? i mean isn't like %tmp% on windows or only downloaded stuff from terminal, Explaing please :)
[09:31] <raouldlv> so, how bout them lolcats, aperson ?
[09:31] <aperson> !ot > raouldlv
[09:31] <aperson> :D
[09:32] <genux> only the downloaded stuff from the apt-get
[09:32] <raouldlv> you ops?
[09:32] <aperson> no
[09:32] <Ahmed\> Thanks Genux !
[09:32] <aperson> haven't heard back yet
[09:32] <Ahmed\> BRB lemme close this and try it
[09:32] <raouldlv> aww
[09:32] <genux> nps
[09:38] <Ahmed\> Back
[09:38] <Ahmed\> apt-get clean doesnt work :)
[09:39] <Ahmed\> E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (13: Permission denied) unable to lock the download direcory
[09:39] <iconmefisto> !aptfix | Ahmed\
[09:40] <Ahmed\> Aptfix ? tell me again
[09:41] <Ahmed\> its saying dpkg to configure
[09:41] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: the commands between the «  »  copy/paste that
[09:41] <Ahmed\> Tried
[09:41] <Ahmed\> and says error while processing amarok
[09:42] <Ahmed\> will it be okay if i completely uninstall it ?
[09:42] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: pastebin the error when you do the aptfix commands?
[09:42] <Ahmed\> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of amarok:
[09:43] <Ahmed\>  amarok depends on amarok-common (= 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa3); however:
[09:43] <Ahmed\>   Package amarok-common is not installed.
[09:43] <Ahmed\>  amarok depends on amarok-utils (= 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa3); however:
[09:43] <Ahmed\>   Version of amarok-utils on system is 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2.
[09:43] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:43] <Ahmed\> dpkg: error processing amarok (--configure):
[09:44] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: sudo apt-get update && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:44] <Ahmed\> Lemme try
[09:44] <Ahmed\> I think this works lemme see
[09:45] <Ahmed\> no ends up with the same thing errors were encountered while processing
[09:46] <gottto> dpkg --purge amarok maybe
[09:46] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: ok, try removing amarok and amarok-utils, then install amarok again if you get no errors after removal
[09:46] <Ahmed\> NO it doesnt
[09:46] <Ahmed\> Okay, should i remove it completely if so, can i have the command please
[09:47] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: sudo apt-get remove amarok amarok-utils
[09:47] <gottto> nothing apt will work apparently
[09:47] <Ahmed\> Synaptic saying, you have a broken update package on your system ? i never saw that message appears
[09:47] <Ahmed\> Should i check ?
[09:48] <Ahmed\> ITS AMAROK ! GOD!!!!!!! Lemme remove it thanks guys
[09:49] <Ahmed\> Can i know what;s the difference between , Terminal command line, Terminal emulator, Konsol, And Bash ?
[09:50] <gottto> bash is a prog that works in terminal konsole shell commanline emulator
[09:50] <Ahmed\> So in short, ALL IN ONE /
[09:50] <Ahmed\> ?
[09:51] <gottto> bash isn't a terminal etc - it works in them
[09:51] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: konsole is a terminal emulator program. terminals use bash to make sense of the commands you type
[09:52] <Ahmed\> Well i guess it will take time to me to actually understand the Exact thing and differences, so which should i be using for ALL commands ?
[09:53] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: konsole is the default kde terminal emulator
[09:53] <Ahmed\> Thanks one is cleard :) its same as Konsole ? on Gnome, right ?
[09:53] <Ahmed\> I mean Terminal not Konsole
[09:54] <gottto> terminal is similar to konsole yes
[09:54] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: you can use others, but konsole is fine. a simpler one that should be installed is xterm. I like using yakuake, which has a window that drops down from the top of the screen when you press F12 (so it's always ready to use)
[09:56] <Ahmed\> Yeah i see,,,  I dont have yakuake, what i do see is, Terminal, As usual and Konsole and Bash, so should i use the Konsole instead of Terminal or is the name difference ? i wanna use ONE instead of 3 :) PLease correct me, i am new here
[09:57] <iconmefisto> Ahmed\: it doesn't matter. use the one you like best
[09:57] <Ahmed\> Oh thank you :)
[09:58] <Ahmed\> Should i upgrade that grub, Its showing the beta 1.9 or something on bootup, what is it ?
[10:15] <Mark^> Why is it each time after I enter my username and password, my kubuntu freezes?
[10:18] <gottto> Mark^: at the login prompt don't login - hit ctrl+alt+f2 then login and   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less   to look for errors
[10:19] <Mark^> whats cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:20] <gottto> a command to read the file   /var/log/Xorg.0.log   which will hopefully tell why you're having trouble
[10:20] <Mark^> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[10:20] <Mark^> this one?
[10:20] <gottto> don't forget the   | less   use the down arrow to read one line at a time
[10:20] <gottto> yess :)
[10:21] <gottto> look for lines that start with EE
[10:21] <gottto> or if you're at a gui just browse
[10:23] <gottto> this has happened with a few people today...
[10:23] <gottto> I like three dots in a row...
[10:23] <xenaxon> guys, can someone tell me which of all the packages is the actuall apache package
[10:24] <xenaxon> I've downloaded 2 packages and neither are it
[10:24] <gottto> I thought apache2...
[10:26] <ubuntu_> hi everybody
[10:26] <ubuntu_> im on live cd.... im trying to fix my installation from kubuntu right now
[10:26] <xenaxon> apache2.2-bin - 2.2.12-lubuntu2.2(i386)
[10:26] <xenaxon> this is what I've installed
[10:26] <ubuntu_> i got to install knetworkmanager on my installation but from live cd is that possible?
[10:27] <ubuntu_> n... how could i do that?
[10:28] <st4aluck> Still don't know what to do with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:30] <gottto> Mark^: does this help - http://www.easy-ubuntu-linux.com/apache-ubuntu-install.html
[10:31] <Mark^> gottto ill check them later, but thanks alot
[10:31] <Mark^> am doing my homework on win7
[10:31] <gottto> k
[10:32] <gottto> blurrghhh Mark^
[10:32] <Mark^> do u mind if I add u on msn for future purposes pls?
[10:32] <Mark^> I have no idea why my nickname isnt changing lol
[10:32] <gottto> I don't use msanything sorry
[10:32] <Mark^> oh okay
[10:32] <xenaxon> guys how do I start a service
[10:32] <xenaxon> ?
[10:32] <ubuntu_> mm
[10:33] <gottto> sudo /etc/init.d/"servicename" start
[10:35] <xenaxon> it says command not found
[10:35] <lloowen> Hello all. Been trying to get my mouse to work on a vmware server console. Looks like the solution is to do something in the xorg.conf file, but I don't know what. I've tried a number of configurations to the xorg.conf, but this crashes the xserver. I have installed the apparently required package that should do this "apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse" but it does not work. Does anyone else use vmware server? I think this is a kub
[10:35] <ubuntu_> bash: /etc/init.d/: ist ein Verzeichnis.
[10:35] <ubuntu_> root@ubuntu:/#  /etc/init.d/ "knetworkmanager" start
[10:36] <gottto> xenaxon: what's the service?
[10:36] <xenaxon> apache / httpd
[10:37] <ubuntu_> for knetworkmanager
[10:37] <ubuntu_> root@ubuntu:/# sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[10:37] <ubuntu_> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[10:37] <ubuntu_> cp: reguläre Datei „/mnt/etc/resolv.conf“ kann nicht angelegt werden: No such file or directory
[10:37] <gottto> xenaxon: /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[10:38] <xenaxon> httpd (pid 7039) already running
[10:39] <gottto> xenaxon: open a browser and check localhost then
[10:40] <xenaxon> gotto: it works. but where did it install
[10:40] <lloowen> No one using vmware server2?
[10:41] <gottto> xenaxon: /var/www   afaik - #ubuntu-server might know more
[10:41] <gottto> lloowen: I use vbox...
[10:41] <xenaxon> ok
[10:42] <lloowen> is it as good as vmware server?
[10:43] <xenaxon> gottto: if I uninstall apache, will my files in www also be removed
[10:43] <xenaxon> ?
[10:43] <gottto> xenaxon: afaik no - don't use the purge option and you should be safe
[10:45] <xenaxon> ok thanks
[10:45] <gottto> np
[10:57] <Ahmed\> hi
[10:58] <Ahmed\> i can't lock the screen by CTRL ALT and L
[11:00] <Ahmed\> HELLO ?
[11:01] <ertugrul> hello
[11:01] <ertugrul> i need help about my net connection
[11:02] <gottto> you can just ask here :)
[11:02] <ertugrul> when i started the ubuntu it always asks my password of wireless
[11:02] <ertugrul> i want to default it, and i dont want more question at starting anymore
[11:03] <ertugrul> :),
[11:03] <gottto> maybe this will help
[11:03] <gottto> !wireless
[11:04] <ertugrul> how can i search it, i am new at ubuntu
[11:05] <gottto> right click the bit that starts http and select   open with browser
[11:05] <gottto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:06] <ertugrul> would i sign in to turkish ubuntu channel do you have like this an alternative
[11:07] <gottto> !tk
[11:08] <gottto> !tu
[11:08] <ertugrul> tr...
[11:08] <ertugrul> !tr
[11:08] <ertugrul> correct!
[11:08] <ertugrul> thanx
[11:08] <gottto> k
[11:41] <ForgeAus> uh how do I get kubuntu live to ignore/forget my HDD's?
[11:41] <ForgeAus> the qtparted in ubiquity (or the install applet) from the live CD still picks up the IDE/Sata drives I disabled in the bios (for some reason)...
[11:42] <ForgeAus> so when I try to install it it still knows the Hard drives are there and wants to put grub there instead of USB stick like I want it
[11:42] <ForgeAus> also swap partition there too
[11:42] <ForgeAus> (the one that exists, I was thinking of either not having swap at all or putting swap as second partition
[11:43] <gottto> it won't let you select where grub goes?
[11:45] <ertugrul> !tr
[11:45] <ForgeAus> grottto if it does I don't know how
[11:46] <ForgeAus> its fesity btw.. (I guess its old considering but its the only one I had onhand)
[11:46] <ForgeAus> without downloading newer one
[11:46] <artur__> hejka polakom
[11:48] <gottto> ForgeAus: tried unetbootin?
[11:48] <ForgeAus> it tells me :
[11:48] <ForgeAus> The following partitions are going to be formatted:
[11:48] <ForgeAus> partition #3 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) as swap
[11:48] <ForgeAus> partition #1 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sdc) as ext3
[11:48] <FloodBotK1> ForgeAus: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:48] <ForgeAus> isnt' that a windows program?
[11:48] <gottto> !unetbootin
[11:48] <ForgeAus> actualyl it does let me select where grub goes
[11:48] <gottto> wrong app sorry ForgeAus
[11:48] <ForgeAus> I just don't know how to refer to the disk
[11:48] <ForgeAus> USB is sdc right?
[11:48] <gottto> sudo fdisk -l
[11:49] <ForgeAus> so how do I get (hd0) to refer to the USB stick?
[11:49] <ForgeAus> will it automatically do it?
[11:49] <gottto> no
[11:50] <gottto> you need the reference to be to the usb stick
[11:50] <ForgeAus> I don't want it to use boot sector of either hard drive
[11:50] <ForgeAus> so how to reference it its not /dev/sdc that you use in grubroot
[11:50] <ertugrul> hello gotto me again, i didnt fix my wireless connection asking problem with tr channel too
[11:50] <ertugrul> do you have another alternative
[11:51] <gottto> ForgeAus:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[11:52] <ForgeAus> ok grottto also is there a netbook vers for Kubuntu? (I know Ubuntu has one)
[11:53] <gottto> ForgeAus: afaik no - kde is a bit heavy for netbooks atm
[11:54] <gottto> ForgeAus: there's  pendrivelinux.com for hints as well
[11:58] <ForgeAus> ok guess I have to use unetbootin, the other way seems a little beyond me with the commands, I don't exactly understand whats going on with them
[11:58] <ForgeAus> I hope it works with an old enough distro such as Feisty
[12:00] <gottto> I have a windows app that will do the install to usb - any windows in your home?
[12:01] <ForgeAus> yeah I got windows, I was just hoping to avoid depending on it for this thats all lol
[12:01] <gottto> k
[12:01] <ForgeAus> I have unetbootin that should suffice
[12:01] <gottto> luck
[12:01] <ForgeAus> actually I'm going to try this with windows also, wish I had 7 instead of Vista tho
[12:01] <ForgeAus> its the only OEM disk I had handy
[12:02] <gottto> I would think the age of the distro shouldn't matter...
[12:02] <ForgeAus> or I might go XP instead
[12:02] <ForgeAus> and I'm goina try it with MacOSX too
[12:02] <gottto> I did it with xubunru - worked fine
[12:02] <gottto> *xubuntu
[12:02] <ForgeAus> I got 3 diff usb sticks to try it from
[12:03] <ForgeAus> sofar looks like OSX is going to be the easier one lol
[12:03] <gottto> hehe
[12:03] <ForgeAus> ok cya, hav fun
[12:03] <gottto> :)
[12:20] <xenaxon> does anyone know how to import a database with MySQL Workbench?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> well unetbootin worked
[12:24] <ForgeAus> running from USB now
[12:24] <ForgeAus> fiesty, but hey I'm not complaining
[12:24] <gottto> well done :)
[12:24] <ForgeAus> need to dl a newer one and try it tho
[12:24] <ForgeAus> can I install packages, and mod this USB one?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> tweak it
[12:25] <gottto> I dd with mine
[12:25] <ForgeAus> the memory stick shows up as a CD drive oddly enough
[12:25] <ForgeAus> kewl
[12:25] <ForgeAus> I'll do some of that later
[12:25] <ForgeAus> for now it works and thats all that matters
[12:26] <gottto> I recorded tv on mine
[12:26] <ForgeAus> :)
[12:42] <ForgeAus> argh I can get konqui to load webpages but I cant get apt-get to update its package list
[12:43] <xenaxon> does anyone know how to import a mysql database?
[12:44] <ForgeAus> uh xenaxon mysql is something I have pretty much no experience with
[12:47] <gottto> xenaxon: man mysql should give a clue
[12:47] <jati> 2 methods to import
[12:48] <jati> in console type: mysql -u myuser -p < mydatabase.sql
[12:48] <jati> or in myadmin type
[12:48] <jati> source /path/to/my/database.sql
[12:48] <jati> before this, use mydatabase;
[12:48] <jati> to import to this databse
[12:49] <frewo64> xenaxon: for simple things with gui mysqladmin?
[13:07] <Forgeaus> hey all :) back again, under OSX this time
[13:08] <gottto> doesn't take you long to do the installs :)
[13:08] <Forgeaus> I didn't install
[13:09] <Forgeaus> unetbootin extracted internally
[13:09] <Forgeaus> and OSX just well copy disk image essentially
[13:09] <Forgeaus> no need to install as such
[13:09] <Forgeaus> and Windows... not sure yet...
[13:10] <gottto> windows won't work plugging into diff comps will it?
[13:14] <xenaxon> I can't edit anything in /www how do you change permissions in Kubuntu?
[13:14] <xenaxon> I don't understand why the /www/ folder would be read only
[13:15] <gottto> try ls -l /var/www and see who owns it - you can add yourself to the group
[13:17] <xenaxon> I've set permissions to 777, but I don't understand why It would be read-only
[13:17] <xenaxon> :)
[13:17] <xenaxon> anyway.
[13:19] <gottto> not a sep partition in fstab or similar?
[13:19] <xenaxon> no
[13:19] <gottto> k
[14:13] <net_bash> Hi haloooop
[14:14] <net_bash> -----------------
[14:15] <genii> !hi | net_bash
[14:15] <net_bash> Hi genii
[14:15] <net_bash> :D
[14:16] <net_bash> so...........................
[14:17] <genii> net_bash: Please, do not private-message me
[14:17] <net_bash> why?
[14:17] <genii> net_bash:
[14:17] <genii> !pm
[14:17] <net_bash> (pm==why)
[14:17] <net_bash> why genii
[14:17] <net_bash> :D
[14:19] <genii> net_bash: Mostly because I find it annoying :) I have at any time 30-40 IRC windows open and it just adds to the clutter. But also for the reasons the bot says.
[14:19] <Oxymoron> COuld someone explain what *.DS_Store files are storing except that abstract explanation on wiki?
[14:21] <net_bash> ah.... <genii> mah teu baleg...
[14:21] <gottto> careful net_bash
[14:22] <net_bash> oke gottto...
[14:23] <net_bash> bot
[14:23] <net_bash> bot
[14:23] <net_bash> bot
[14:23] <FloodBotK1> net_bash: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:27] <ertugrul> hi
[14:27] <ertugrul> !tr
[14:33] <genii> Oxymoron: From what I can find it's an OSX thing. It puts one in every folder you access. Reminds me of a .htaccess file somewhat
[14:34] <Oxymoron> genii: Yes, but what does it store?
[14:34] <ertugrul> how can i delete to networkmenager's config files?
[14:35] <genii> Oxymoron: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.DS_Store "comments of all the folder's files"
[14:36] <genii> ertugrul: In /home/yourname/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc
[14:45] <ertugrul> !ubuntu
[14:51] <Ahmed\> Hi
[14:52]  * genii hands Ahmed\\ a coffee
[14:52] <ertugrul> genii i didt find such a file on das directory
[14:52] <Ahmed\> How do i COMPLETELY disable the history on Kopete cause every time i open it and all the stuff from last activity, I had to see the history ! outta no where
[14:52] <Ahmed\> genii hhhhh
[14:54] <Ahmed\> hello ?
[14:55] <net_bash> :)
[14:56] <Ahmed\> Hey net
[14:56] <Ahmed\> How do i COMPLETELY disable the history on Kopete cause every time i open it and all the stuff from last activity, I had to see the history ! outta no where
[14:57] <genii> Ahmed\: You can delete the current history which is in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs              ... as far as I understand Kopete's logging is a plugin, you might want to check in Setting...Configure Plugins  (I myself do not use Kopete so cannot be of much more help with it)
[14:58] <Ahmed\> Thanks, Can you tell me which messenger fo you use, i am new here i wanna use something better then this if you can tell me :)
[14:59] <genii> Ahmed\: I mostly use just IRC (with Quassel)
[14:59] <Ahmed\> How can i download it ?
[14:59] <Ahmed\> ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete/logs  couldnt fine it, how do i find ? this
[15:00] <Ahmed\> IRC Quassel Clint only ? this ? or other
[15:00] <genii> Ahmed\: Quassel should already be available to install from the package manager
[15:01] <Ahmed\> oh yes its already installed
[15:02] <genii> Ahmed\: Quassel by itself is just for IRC, yes. But I use another thing called bitlbee which lets you funnel stuff like MSN or ICQ through to your ICQ client
[15:02] <Ahmed\> genii, how can i use MSN on this HUH
[15:02] <Ahmed\> Oh thats what i was thinking, talking about
[15:02] <Ahmed\> just a minute
[15:02] <Ahmed\> How do i download bitlbee ?
[15:04] <genii> Hm should be "through to your IRC" there... was rushed
[15:04] <Ahmed\> From there ?well i thought its something else
[15:05] <ertugrul> genii i didt find such a file on das directory
[15:05] <ertugrul> for network manager
[15:05] <ertugrul> i am using gnome
[15:16] <slow-motion> hi
[15:21] <ertugrul> !tr
[15:22] <gottto> ertugrul: add  #ubuntu-tr to your startup channels mate
[15:23] <ertugrul> gotto they dont help us
[15:23] <ertugrul> admin is so agressive and he attacks to users
[15:23] <gottto> :(
[15:23] <ertugrul> when the starting ubuntu
[15:23] <ertugrul> it gives me an error
[15:23] <gottto> ertugrul: talk to the ops in #ubuntu-ops about him
[15:23] <ertugrul>  usr/bin/nm_applet is locked
[15:24] <gottto> ertugrul: if you use gnome you need to ask in #ubuntu
[15:26] <gottto> ertugrul: what does nm_applet do?
[15:27] <ertugrul> ok gotto thnx
[15:27] <ertugrul> for both..
[15:31] <alexandrea> Hey, annyone can help me with usb problem? evreytime i start up kubuntu it takes ages for usb keyboard and mouse to activate and i get this errors "usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110"
[15:32] <alexandrea> this hapens in ubuntu/kubuntu 9.10/10.04 curently running 10.04
[15:32] <shadeslayer> alexandrea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/433438
[15:33] <shadeslayer> alexandrea: a simple google of the problem :)
[15:35] <genii> ertugrul: If you're using regular Ubuntu (with Gnome desktop) please visit #ubuntu channel for support
[15:37] <alexandrea> shadeslayer yeah ok its a know bug but not realy a solution to it :p
[15:49] <edi_99> Hello all. I'm having some problems with my wireless card; on ubuntu 9.04 it worked out of the box, and when I installed 9.10 on another laptop it also worked just fine... but my hp 6830s just won't. Any hints?
[15:54] <genii> edi_99: That machine uses an Intel 5100 adapter, which should use iwlagn driver. When you do:  lsmod | grep iwlagn      do you see that driver is loaded/in use?
 this is what it spits out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/406568/
 and I can't see the driver, so it's probably mia
[15:57] <genii> edi_99: OK, so it's using the right driver (according to that paste). If it was not, you would not get any result from that lsmod command.
 oh, ok.
[15:58] <genii> edi_99: Does:  ifconfig wlan0           show anything?
 Yes, should I paste it so you can see?
[16:00] <genii> edi_99: No, that it exists is enough
[16:01] <genii> edi_99: So we know now: Your wifi adapter is seen, it has the correct driver, and the system has brought the adapter up for use.  It would seem to be some issue with how you are connecting or your network settings, etc
[16:02] <genii> Work, /away 5-7 minutes
[16:03] <llutz> edi_99: does "iwlist s" bring up any result?
[16:04] <edi_99> genii: Pretty stupid of me not to mention it *does* see wireless networks. The problem is when I try to connect to one. It keeps asking me for a password, although I've already entered it. After three tries it closes, doing nothing.
[16:05] <edi_99> llutz: yes, some - it does not support scanning except for wlan, where it does :)
[16:07] <edi_99> I do remember a friend of mine installing 9.10; after updateing/upgrading, a window displaying "known bugs" has appeared, and he then just clicked update, and the thing worked like a charm. Before that, he had the same problem as me.
[16:08] <edi_99> Unfortunately, this window hasn't popped out yet (although I did the upgrade)
[16:10] <genii> edi_99: Have you tried deleting all wireless connections in KNetworkManager  and then making a fresh connection?
[16:13] <edi_99> genii: Well, I'm really sorry for wasting your time. I was creating a connection instead of connecting to one :/
[16:13] <edi_99> genii: it works
[16:13] <genii> edi_99: Ah, good to hear
[16:13] <edi_99> genii: thank you very much for your help
[16:13] <genii> edi_99: You're welcome
[17:35] <Ahmed\> Hello
[17:35] <Ahmed\> :)
[17:37] <Ahmed\> What's the difference between Ubuntu LTS i don't even know that LTS is correct or not and other every six month release ? i mean !! I like using Gnome so don't really wanna switch it for at least a year :) so which should i choose i am not into KDE that much at all or Xubuntu, so wanna know about ubuntu and the one with LTS
[17:38] <genii> Ahmed\: "LTS" are Long-Term-Support issues. In Ubuntu they are every 2 years. So 8.04 and 10.04 are LTS, and the other in-between versions are supported for only shorter times
[17:39] <Ahmed\> Oh thanks
[17:39] <Ahmed\> so its a release every 2 year ? and other every six months ? right ?
[17:39] <genii> Ahmed\: Yes
[17:39] <Ahmed\> Thanks genii
[17:39] <genii> Ahmed\: You're welcome
[17:40] <Ahmed\> One more question
[17:41] <jkd4> what does "use persistent connections to proxy" mean in the proxy settins menu of konqueror?
[17:41] <Ahmed\> I like using Gnome, so LTS would be Best for me, does it provides updates for 2 years ? cause if not then i would be sticking to the other six month releases :)
[17:41] <Ahmed\> and any key difference between LTS version ? or same as other release
[17:42] <genii> Ahmed\: LTS are continuously updated until they reach their End Of Life (3 years for desktop version and 5 years for server versions)
[17:42] <genii> !eol
[17:43] <genii> Ahmed\: Also you can upgrade directly from LTS->LTS
[17:43] <Ahmed\> OH REALLY !
[17:44] <Ahmed\> That's great i mean then i dont have to like every six month :) when is the Lucid releasing ? and can i run KDE on it too ? like on this 9.10 ?
[17:44] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu Lucid run KDE and it will release late April
[17:45] <jkd4> hello?
[17:45] <Ahmed\> Oh, and can i upgrade to LTS cause currently i am not on LTS i am on 9.10 Karmic Koala
[17:45] <r00t_> id like to keep my internet turned off but not my routher dsl modem is this pssible?
[17:45] <DarkwingDuck> You can upgrade when 10.04 Lucid Lynx comes out.
[17:46] <jkd4> does anyone know how to use a socks proxy on konqueror?
[17:46] <Ahmed\> Okay and for a new install, should i download it the same way and burn and then use it for 3 years ! i mean can it really be there with no problems for that long or just will provide the UPDATES only :)
[17:47] <DarkwingDuck> You can just update it
[17:47] <jkd4> why do people stick with the LTS versions and not upgrade? you can get support with every 6 month version until the next version comes out then just upgrade again.
[17:47] <Ahmed\> Yes thank you so much :)
[17:47] <DarkwingDuck> I have not fresh installed on my desktop in almost 2 years
[17:48] <Ahmed\> OH REALLY !
[17:48] <Ahmed\> Well didn't knew that i mean without any boot problems in windows ?
[17:48] <Ahmed\> 2 Years  you sure :P
[17:48] <DarkwingDuck> yup
[17:48] <Ahmed\> you are on 8.04 ?
[17:48] <Ahmed\> ?
[17:49] <DarkwingDuck> Actually, I'm running 10.04 BETA
[17:49] <Ahmed\> ohh
[17:49] <Ahmed\> no no the one which you installed 2 years ago
[17:50] <Ahmed\> I wanna wait for the LTS release not beta will be be before may ?
[17:50] <DarkwingDuck> 8.04 yes
[17:50] <Ahmed\> I see
[17:50] <Ahmed\> BRB
[17:50] <DarkwingDuck> Ahmed\: April 29
[17:50] <jkd4> does anyone know how to use a socks proxy on konqueror?
[17:50] <jkd4> what does "use persistent connections to proxy" mean in the proxy settins menu of konqueror?
[17:53] <genii> jkd4: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/kcontrol/proxy/index.html has fairly detailed explanation of this stuff
[17:56] <Ahmed\> Back
[17:57] <Ahmed\> thanks :)
[18:00] <Ahmed\> hello ?
[18:01] <Ahmed\> Actually i wanna know whats Grub ?
[18:01] <Ahmed\> should i upgrade ?
[18:03] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: grub is the Grand Unified Boot loader
[18:03] <shadeslayer> !grub | Ahmed\
[18:04] <Ahmed\> Oh well
[18:04] <Ahmed\> i am on a beta version it shows 1.97 beta
[18:04] <Ahmed\> can i upgrade that ?
[18:04] <Ahmed\> and PLEASE i dont want any headache with bootup :)
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: that is the default version.. there is no higher version officialy
[18:05] <shadeslayer> *officially
[18:05] <Ahmed\> oh
[18:05] <Ahmed\> So with a new release that also changes ?
[18:06] <vince> hi
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Ahmed\: it may...
[18:07] <Ahmed\>  i see'
[18:07] <Ahmed\> is it true, hacking is a part of Linux ? if so how can i be sure that its not weak on security
[18:08] <vince> I've got a small problem here, I can't open files I've downloaded with firefox. I mean open then FROM the download manager. It always always ask me for the right program, so i'm looking for the one responsible in kde for linking a specific type of file to a specific application :)
[18:08] <vince> I found the answer once on a forum, can't find it again though :(
[18:09] <vince> (sorry for the horrible spelling btw)
[18:10] <Oxymoron> How do I change video output mode in Dragonplayer and Kaffeine?
[18:10] <Ahmed\> hahah
[18:11] <Ahmed\> How can i check what applications are connected to the internet ? THERES NO FIREWALL or something how do i assure myself that its secure ??????
[18:12] <vince> netstats
[18:12] <vince> haha
[18:12] <Ahmed\> OH THAT works ?
[18:12] <vince> windows only :p
[18:12] <Ahmed\> HHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[18:12] <Ahmed\> i am on ubuntu :$
[18:13] <vince> I know, bad geeky humor
[18:13] <Ahmed\> haha
[18:13] <Ahmed\> You also been on windows !
[18:13] <Ahmed\> I switched like 10 days ago
[18:13] <Ahmed\> :P
[18:13] <Ahmed\> Loving it
[18:14] <vbgunz__> anybody using the latest nvidia binary?
[18:14] <Ahmed\> Nope
[18:14] <Ahmed\> AMD'S ATI @_@
[18:14] <Ahmed\> Wahahah
[18:16] <vince> nope :(
[18:16] <vbgunz__> nvidia binary 195.36.15 and if you have effects enabled. try putting AccelerateTrapezoids=1in your xinitrc. The performance improvements are noticeable but only resizing is still the same
[18:16] <vince> anyone for that firefox "open with" annoying bug ?
[18:16] <vbgunz__> vince: I hate that about firefox almost to death.
[18:16] <Ahmed\> Vince: HOw can i download the new security update for 3.5 firefox
[18:17] <vbgunz__> 10.4 should take care of that firefox bug I think
[18:17] <Ahmed\> hhhhhhhhhh
[18:17] <vince> vbgunz__:  I found the solution once
[18:17] <vince> I just can't remember...
[18:17] <vince> you have to choose the application that opens everything in KDE
[18:18] <vince> I just can't remember its name
[18:18] <vince> nor its path
[18:22] <vince> maaaan you've got to know the answer
[18:22] <vince> fuck :(
[18:23] <vbgunz__> heh
[18:23] <Draglor> xdg-open vince?
[18:24] <vince> haaa might be the one!
[18:24] <vince> what the path ?
[18:24] <Draglor> it'S the one opening apps depending on mime/type and kde settings
[18:24] <vince> yes that's what I'm looking for
[18:25] <Draglor> type which xdg-open (usr/bin/ I'd think)
[18:25] <vince> it fixes the annoying "open with" bug in FF
[18:25] <Draglor> ... /usr/bin/xdg-open
[18:25] <Draglor> I'm usind the kde extensions for firefox
[18:25] <Draglor> They fix it too and everything looks more kde-ish
[18:26] <vince> I was looking for it in /bin
[18:26] <vince> good lord thank you :)
[18:27] <Draglor> Look out for firefox-3.5-kde package ... I would think it's better than just adding xdg-open
[18:27] <vince> what does it change exactly ?
[18:27] <Draglor> works on ff 3.6, too ;)
[18:28] <Draglor> it makes firefox use kde dialogs for most things (open files etc.)
[18:28] <vince> I better be careful because you would laugh pretty hard if i told you why i had to make a fresh OS install today...
[18:28] <Draglor> so you even have you dplphin "places" in firefox and so on
[18:28] <vince> ha cool
[18:28] <Draglor> you could just uninstall the package to revert the changes ;)
[18:29] <vince> Last night, I had a problem after switching to Amarok 2.3.0
[18:29] <vince> I wanted to have the equalizer enable no matter what...
[18:29] <vince> I deciced to update Phonon, phonon-backend-xine etc
[18:30] <vince> unfortunately, they weren't compatible...then I had to properly remove amarok phonon etc...
[18:30] <vince> I reboot my computer
[18:30] <vince> HORROR
[18:30] <vince> I had a 1990s style OS
[18:30] <vince> all purple with a small menu
[18:31] <vince> and a few apps available...
[18:31] <vince> KDE was gone...
[18:31] <vince> This was on OpenSUSE
[18:32] <vince> Draglor:  I can't find that firefox-3.5-kde package
[18:32] <vince> where is it ?
[18:32] <Draglor> oh, maybe it's an extra repo
[18:32] <Draglor> moment
[18:33] <vince> I guess so
[18:34] <Draglor> yes it is .. "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/debfx/firefox-kde/ubuntu karmic main"
[18:37] <vince> Thank you
[18:37] <vince> :)
[18:37] <vince> Draglor:
[18:37] <Draglor> ;)
[18:48] <amichair> Oxymoron: let's take it here, as this is the support channel...
[18:49] <Oxymoron> amichair: Yes sure if someone answer here so :) I was pointed to devel channel ;)
[18:49] <amichair> Oxymoron: did u check if it works on a fresh installation?
[18:49] <Oxymoron> amichair: Which protocols, apps, libs and so on should I reconsider look at to MAYBE solve my problem?
[18:50] <Oxymoron> amichair: Yes, on a fresh installation it works
[18:50] <amichair> ah.... so what did u change to make it not work? :-P
[18:50] <Oxymoron> I heard someone else here before having same problem as I in karmic after a certain upgrade which nobody remember which one.-
[18:51] <Oxymoron> amichair: I dont know, I dont think I have changed anything it happened after an upgrade
[18:51] <Oxymoron> amichair: It have been so in like a month or so now and it didnt work in Karmic or neither Lucid now.
[18:52] <Oxymoron> I have been using this instllation for a long long time now and I DONT going to fresh install to make it work.
[18:52] <amichair> so ti stopped working in karmic, then u upgraded to a pre-release lucid, and now it's still broken? or are these separate machines?
[18:53] <Oxymoron> amichair: No same machine, same partiion and no it still doesnt work. I tried to upgrade to Lucid to see if it might could anything broken but I guess not. COuld be any config file that is conflicting something
[18:55] <amichair> and the issue is that you're seeing the video, but it's transparent?
[18:56] <Oxymoron> amichair: No, I dont see any video at all, only see the image beneath the player inside video window? And If I drag around player on the screen it shows the image beneath video window in realtime.
[18:57] <Oxymoron> amichair: mplayer and xine commands in terminal work to show video output though and if I change video output mode in VLC it work there as well. Seem to be some kind of default settings that is wrong
[18:59] <amichair> Oxymoron: any chance it's related to http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5464 ?
[18:59] <goodnightvienna> hello
[19:01] <Oxymoron> amichair: COuld be, but tried kill cairo-dock and still got same problem.
[19:02] <Oxymoron> amichair: I should go grab some food, brbiab
[19:02] <amichair> Oxymoron: did u try the suggested workaround?
[19:03] <Oxymoron> amichair: The workaround is only for VLC and VLC works
[19:10] <slow-motion> bye
[19:13] <xenaxon_> guys
[19:13] <xenaxon_> how do I uninstall wine
[19:13] <vince> sudo apt-get remove wine
[19:13] <vince> in a terminal
[19:14] <xenaxon_> Segmentation Fault
[19:14] <vince> Got a question too: How do I install Java for firefox ?
[19:14] <xenaxon_> sudo: etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[19:14] <xenaxon_> :(
[19:14] <xenaxon_> wine is busted and won't even close
[19:14] <xenaxon_> I wanna get rid of it
[19:15] <vince> change the mode then
[19:15] <xenaxon_> ?
[19:15] <vince> ;)
[19:15] <xenaxon_> how doI change
[19:15] <xenaxon_> sory I'm nnewbie
[19:15] <vince> I don't know I'm a beginner
[19:15] <xenaxon_> that makes two of us
[19:15] <xenaxon_> :D
[19:15] <vince> there is a chmode something
[19:15] <amichair> chmod?
[19:15] <vince> :D
[19:16] <vince> yep
[19:16] <vince> I don't even know what you mean by mode 0440 etc
[19:16] <amichair> vince: sun-java6-plugin, if u want sun's
[19:16] <vince> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin ?
[19:17] <xenaxon_> I hardly ever worked in CMD in windows. remembering all the commands and new logic takes a while
[19:17] <vince> cause last time i installed java, firefox wasn't quite aware of what I did for it ;)
[19:17] <xenaxon_> god I can't remove wine, FEGEWG why did I install it anyway
[19:17] <djustice> xenaxon_: 'su -' then 'chmod 440 /etc/sudoers' 'exit' 'sudo apt-get remove wine'
[19:18] <djustice> xenaxon_: your system is borked. learn unix first. then learn dos. then use wine. it's a pretty handy thing.
[19:18] <djustice> xenaxon_: or learn c++ and help us rewrite everything in kde code ;]
[19:18] <jhutchins> djustice: what about visudo?
[19:19] <xenaxon_> I'm a web developer
[19:19] <amichair> vince: firefox might need a restart, but other than that it should work
[19:19] <djustice> jhutchins: wut? 'sudo nano /etc/sudoers'? ;p
[19:19] <vince> Nice to meed you, I'm a serial crasher...
[19:19] <vince> :s
[19:19] <vince> Thanks amichair :)
[19:19] <xenaxon_> :D
[19:19] <xenaxon_> sounds like an exciting job vince
[19:19] <xenaxon_> I still can't delete my wine though
[19:19] <jhutchins> djustice: visudo does sanity checks and sets permissions iirc.
[19:20] <jhutchins> djustice: Uses your default editor, not necessarily vi.
[19:20] <xenaxon_> I would drink it but I can't
[19:20] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Why are you trying to delete a package rather than uninstall it?
[19:20] <vince> xenaxon_: It is. I spent a few hours on Open Suse 11.2, then crashed it updating Amarok and that bloody phonon thing.
[19:20] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Is it still running?
[19:20] <xenaxon_> how do I uninstall it then
[19:20] <xenaxon_> it's running
[19:20] <vince> Then switched to Ubuntu 8.04
[19:21] <xenaxon_> and It won't close
[19:21] <vince> Then Kubuntu 9.10 ;)
[19:21] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Ctrl-Alt-Esc
[19:21] <djustice> xenaxon_: fix sudo first. then 'sudo killall -9 wineserver' until wine closes. then uninstall it.
[19:21] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: That turns your cursor into a skull-and-crossbones.  Place it over the wine window, click.
[19:21] <djustice> jhutchins: or it'll kill plasma if no wine window was open...
[19:22] <jhutchins> Which is a good thing.
[19:22] <djustice> jhutchins: hm? sometimes wine hangs on a thread with no open window...
[19:22] <amichair> jhutchins: neat trick! I've been on kubuntu for a while, never heard of the skull :-)
[19:22] <djustice> xkill ftw
[19:23] <jhutchins> Recommendations are usually pkill <process>, ps ax | grep <processs> && kill -HUP <PID> before kill -9.
[19:24] <vince> I'm back
[19:24] <vince> just tested and approved that "skull technique"
[19:24] <vince> haha
[19:24] <jhutchins> lol
[19:24] <vince> right click does the trick as well
[19:25] <vince> haha
[19:25] <djustice> jhutchins: a runaway wineserver wont listen to sigterm
[19:25] <xenaxon_> omfg
[19:25] <xenaxon_> I tried to press the dead head on wine's taskbar item
[19:25] <xenaxon_> and deleted the whole taskbar
[19:25] <xenaxon_> =)))))))))))))))))))))))
[19:25] <vince> haha
[19:26] <xenaxon_> how do I add the taskbar back
[19:26] <xenaxon_> there's no button
[19:26] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Um, yeah, that's how it works.  Needs to be the actual window.
[19:26] <xenaxon_> I hardly managed to get back to this desktop, took me 3 minutes
[19:26] <djustice> xenaxon_: lol. :) only use xkill on actual windows. if you dont click a window, you'll kill plasma-desktop.
[19:26] <xenaxon_> :DDDDDDDDD
[19:26] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: What desktop?
[19:26] <djustice> xenaxon_: alt+f2 :: 'plasma-desktop'
[19:26] <xenaxon_> this is the 6th desktop, and it took me 3 minutes to get back here without the taskbar
[19:26] <xenaxon_> :)))
[19:26] <vince> the skull is deadly apparently
[19:26] <jhutchins> djustice: You are assuming squeeze + kde4.
[19:27] <xenaxon_> how do I add the taskbar back LD
[19:27] <vince> which one ?
[19:27] <djustice> jhutchins: huh? idk. im a chakra guy. i just liek this channel :3
[19:27] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Ctrl-Tab should still work.
[19:27] <xenaxon_> my panel
[19:27] <xenaxon_> anypanel
[19:27] <jhutchins> Oh, ff, wrong channel, sorry.
[19:27] <vince> sudo plasma-desktop ?
[19:27] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: as djustice said.
[19:27] <James147> vince: dont run it with sudo
[19:27] <djustice> vince: no sudo
[19:27] <James147> vince: plasma-desktop is run as the user
[19:28] <djustice> xenaxon_: you may need to 'kquitapp plasma-desktop' first...
[19:28] <jhutchins> djustice: Sorry, wrong distro, n'mind.
[19:28] <vince> allright guys :)
[19:28] <xenaxon_> what
[19:28] <xenaxon_> ?
[19:28] <vince> Installing kde 4.4 whas a helluva hassle with that plasma-thing that crashed all the time
[19:28] <xenaxon_> the windows are still here
[19:29] <xenaxon_> but I don't see the button to create a panel
[19:29] <xenaxon_> and there's no panel
[19:29] <vince> right hand corner
[19:29] <xenaxon_> nothing.
[19:29] <djustice> xenaxon_: alt+f2, type 'kquitapp plasma-desktop' <enter>, the screen goes black, then alt+f2, type 'plasma-desktop' <enter>, your desktop comes back to life. normal style. faster than logging out...
[19:29] <James147> xenaxon_: do you have a desktop at all (wall paper or widgets)?
[19:29] <vince> couldn't say it better
[19:30] <xenaxon_> no
[19:30] <xenaxon_> it[s black
[19:30] <vince> djustice trick should work
[19:30] <xenaxon_> yep, I closed the desktop huh?
[19:30] <xenaxon_> :))
[19:31] <xenaxon_> well, I got rid of the wine window
[19:31] <James147> xenaxon_: the panel and all widgets as well as teh desktop are all part of plasma-desktop, you kill one you lose them all :) easy to get abck though
[19:31] <xenaxon_> yeah, I got that one now
[19:31] <djustice> xenaxon_: ctrl+alt+esc runs the app 'xkill'. which kills an x11 window. including the desktop window. so be careful with it.
[19:32] <xenaxon_> ok
[19:32] <xenaxon_> how do I uninstall a program
[19:32] <xenaxon_> wine
[19:32] <vince> sudo apt-get remove wine
[19:32] <vince> did i get it right ? :p
[19:32] <James147> xenaxon_: sudo aptitiude purge wine   <- should do it as well as removing config files
[19:33] <xenaxon_> it says:
[19:33] <vince> use one or this other, never both (apt-get and aptitude)
[19:33] <memenode> so much hype over lucid lynx and it's all about gubuntu
[19:33] <xenaxon_> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[19:33] <vince> never understood why ;)
[19:33] <xenaxon_> Segmentation fault
[19:33] <memenode> kubuntu feels like an ugly forgotten step child nobody cares about
[19:33] <James147> vince: dosnt really matter any more which you use
[19:33] <memenode> compared to all the luv for ubuntu
[19:33] <djustice> xenaxon_: 'konsole' -> type "su -", password, <enter>, "chmod 440 /etc/sudoers" <enter>, "exit
[19:34] <djustice> and try again...
[19:34] <vince> James147: Good to know, it used to use both anyways
[19:34] <djustice> memenode: meh. kde has way more coders doing way more than gnome...
[19:34] <vince> *I
[19:34] <vince> Haha gnome designers are stuck in 2002
[19:34] <xenaxon_> it says Authentication failure
[19:34] <xenaxon_> and I typed the right password
[19:35] <James147> vince: it use to be that apt-get dident properly remove package dependencies and would break aptitude from doing it if you installed something via apt-get... but now apt-get can handel it just fine
[19:35] <djustice> nah, just stuck in glade... or mono... designer ftw
[19:35] <vince> They fell into some kind of time black hole
[19:35] <djustice> xenaxon_: what does 'sudo su' say?
[19:35] <memenode> djustice: the question is does *kubuntu* have more people working on it than ubuntu?
[19:35] <djustice> xenaxon_: and how did you kill your sudoers file anyway?
[19:35] <xenaxon_> it says:
[19:35] <James147> djustice: you cant login as root like that... it has no password
[19:35] <vince> James147: Thank for the explanation
[19:35] <djustice> memenode: doesnt matter. the actual c++ is what matters in the long run.
[19:35] <jhutchins> Unless it's been set.
[19:35] <xenaxon_> Segmentation fault
[19:35] <xenaxon_> same as first error
[19:36] <xenaxon_> for sudo su
[19:36] <alvin> Never, ever use 'sudo su' (I forgot why)
[19:36] <vince> I though segmentation error was a hardware error
[19:36] <vince> ?
[19:36] <James147> xenaxon_: you will probally need to use a live cd to fix the premision on sudo
[19:36] <vince> *t
[19:36] <jhutchins> alvin: Because "never use su without -".
[19:36] <djustice> xenaxon_: hm. boot into a live disc, run konsole, mount your drive, and run the chmod command as root from the live disc...
[19:36] <alvin> You have sudo -s or sudo -i for that
[19:36] <djustice> xenaxon_: and then figure out what you did wrong in the first place... or it will happen again and again...
[19:36] <James147> xenaxon_: to login as root use sudo -i... never use sudo and su
[19:37] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Hang on a sec, I have a note that might be relevant...
[19:37] <xenaxon_> I don't even know what sudo means, except that it means I'm running a command as root
[19:37] <djustice> sounds like he chmod'd or chown'd etc or something...
[19:38] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Note says "For locked sudo database, sudo -k"
[19:38] <James147> xenaxon_: sudo is used to run a command as root, su i beleave is used to login as another person (not sure if su can so anything else) generally use sudo not su
[19:39] <xenaxon_> I managed to destroy it from my first day on linux
[19:39] <vince> destroy what?
[19:39] <vince> haha
[19:39] <xenaxon_> I seem to have had that quality since I had my first computer
[19:39] <jhutchins> James147: Right, su is usually defined as "Switch User", mostly used to become root.
[19:40]  * vince has had 9 fresh installs so far this week
[19:40] <xenaxon_> so what now?
[19:40] <xenaxon_> live cd?
[19:40] <jhutchins> James147: sudo is usually attributed to su+do (take action) but also alliterates to pesudo.
[19:40] <James147> xenaxon_: its part of the learning experince :) and breaking a few systems teaches you what not to do :D
[19:40] <vince> can't you like delete to files manually suing a live cd ?
[19:40] <vince> that would work for windows haha
[19:40] <jhutchins> Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
[19:40] <xenaxon_> james147 you must be joking
[19:41] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: No, not really.
[19:41] <James147> xenaxon_: I must have broken my system a few times within the first few days of useing it as well :)
[19:41] <xenaxon_> I hope I didn't break anything. cause it took me 18 hours to install all the programs and organise everything how I used to have it on wingoz
[19:41] <jhutchins> xenaxon_: Most serious users screw up two or three installs well enough to reinstall.
[19:41] <xenaxon_> :D
[19:41] <vince> Do you guys know a little bit about Opensuse ?
[19:41] <James147> xenaxon_: luckly its easy to install and quite quick :D takes me about 15 mins to reinstall a system
[19:41] <vince> cause what happened to me last night was epic
[19:42] <xenaxon_> I'm not reinstalling anything
[19:42] <jhutchins> vince: Just that it's evil Novellware.
[19:42] <xenaxon_> :))
[19:42] <vince> well, an epic fail more likely...
[19:42] <vince> *most
[19:42] <James147> xenaxon_: you dont have to, things are usually fixable just sometimes a reinstall is quicker :) depends on how custmised your system is
[19:42] <xenaxon_> i think I did this:
[19:42] <xenaxon_> chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[19:43] <James147> xenaxon_: you sure you dident chmod 770 /etc/sudoers? ... what dose the leading 0 do anyway?
[19:43] <xenaxon_> I might have
[19:44] <xenaxon_> So I need to start my sistem from live cd and mount this drive
[19:44] <xenaxon_> then chmod to 0770
[19:44] <xenaxon_> or what
[19:45] <amichair> James147: I think the leading zero it to signify that it's an octal number
[19:45] <James147> xenaxon_: and fyi, the 770 mean give the owner and group full access to the files (it goes owner|group|everyone and a value os 1 for execute, 2 for write and 4 for read i think)
[19:45]  * vince is installing WIndows XP, 4 minutes to go
[19:45] <xenaxon_> and 7 ?
[19:45] <xenaxon_> full access?
[19:45] <James147> xenaxon_: yes, 1+2+4
[19:45] <James147> xenaxon_: read+write+exec
[19:46] <xenaxon_> so 3 is exec & write
[19:46] <James147> xenaxon_: well, 1 (exec) 2 (write) and 4 (read)
[19:46] <James147> xenaxon_: yes
[19:46] <xenaxon_> :)
[19:46] <James147> xenaxon_: although I think you might need to read to exec? not sure though
[19:47] <xenaxon_> I think 1 is read
[19:47] <xenaxon_> anyway, whatever. I still can't sudo anything
[19:47] <James147> xenaxon_: which is why it suggest 440, then only the owner (root) and group (root) can read it (although root can write to it as well anyway since it ignores the premisions execp for exec)
[19:48] <xenaxon_> and I can't change permissions to sudoers
[19:48] <vince> amichair:  Thanks, Java's working like a charm
[19:48] <amichair> vince: congrats :-)
[19:48] <James147> xenaxon_: the problem you have is you need to be root to change the premisions (since root owns the files) and you have no way of loging in as root
[19:48] <xenaxon_> why
[19:49] <vince> I missed the plugin bit last time
[19:49] <xenaxon_> I know the password but it's not working
[19:49] <xenaxon_> i tried su mypassword
[19:49] <James147> xenaxon_: by default root has no password
[19:49] <xenaxon_> and it says it's failing
[19:49] <xenaxon_> I set a root password upon install, when it asked me
[19:49] <James147> xenaxon_: sudo uses your password
[19:49] <James147> xenaxon_: not roots and if you havent set one up root dosent have one :S
[19:50] <xenaxon_> so the one I set was my account's password?
[19:50] <ikaruga2099> hey all, trying to get my power button to work. Can someone post their /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh to pastebin.com???
[19:50] <xenaxon_> anyway you put it, it still fails tu authenticate
[19:50] <James147> xenaxon_: the only way I can think of is to use a live cd, mount your drive in there then use the live cds root to chance the premisions (ie use "sudo chmod 440 /etc/sudoers" form the live cd)
[19:51] <xenaxon_> you mean 777
[19:51] <James147> xenaxon_: no
[19:51] <xenaxon_> well 440 is just reading
[19:52] <James147> xenaxon_: 440 sudoers file should not ahve any other premisions other wise you have no root account as anyone can edit that file and make them self a sudoer (and thus have root permisions)
[19:52] <James147> xenaxon_: thats all you need for sudoers file
[19:52] <xenaxon_> ok
[19:52] <xenaxon_> isn't there any rollback
[19:52] <xenaxon_> or recovery
[19:52] <xenaxon_> there's nothing I can do?
[19:52] <James147> xenaxon_: root can write to any file
[19:52] <xenaxon_> how do I check the current permissions of sudoers
[19:52] <James147> xenaxon_: you could enter a recovery mode and do it
[19:53] <James147> xenaxon_: ls -l /etc/sudoers
[19:53] <James147> xenaxon_: should be like this: -r--r----- 1 root root 557 2009-10-10 12:41 /etc/sudoers
[19:54] <xenaxon_> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 557 2010-03-29 19:09 /etc/sudoers
[19:55] <James147> xenaxon_: the fire bit is -|r--|r--|---  type|owner|group|everyone  type being - for file, r for read w for write and x for exec
[19:55] <James147> first ^^
[19:55] <James147> xenaxon_: I would boot in to revocery mode (or use a live cd) and change that
[19:55] <amichair> xenaxon_: reboot, select recovery mode in grub, this should give u command line with root priviledges. run 'chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers' followed by 'reboot'. hope it works :-)
[19:56] <xenaxon_> ok
[19:56] <xenaxon_> talk to you in a few mins
[20:06] <jkd4> Look here! Where is the socks proxy option in konqueror?
[20:07] <xenaxon> I'm back
[20:07] <xenaxon> fixed it. thanks allot!
[20:07] <amichair> xenaxon: and wine removed ok?
[20:09] <jkd4> genii: that page doesnt say anything about socks proxies
[20:11] <xenaxon> wobbly windows with stiffness set to 1 is amazing
[20:11] <xenaxon> :))
[20:11] <jkd4> xenaxon: also drains memory unnecessarily
[20:11] <jkd4> and cpu
[20:12] <James147> jkd4: but if you like it and have the resources then it dosn't matter :)
[20:12] <xenaxon> yeah I know it drains
[20:13] <xenaxon> I just activated it for fun
[20:13] <xenaxon> i'm not into actually using it
[20:13] <xenaxon> fps drops to 30
[20:13] <xenaxon> when wobbling
[20:13] <James147> xenaxon: lol
[20:14] <jkd4> I just download a hot theme to make the desktop look nice
[20:14] <jkd4> and the windows
[20:14] <jkd4> Look here! Where is the socks proxy option in konqueror?
[20:16] <vince> good xenaxon
[20:16] <vince> I just download a windows 7 theme for KDE
[20:17] <vince> feels like home
[20:17]  * vince is of course joking
[20:20] <backtrack4> hi admira
[20:20] <rmrfslash> I installed chrome from the deb, however, I can't see it in System Prefs > Default Applications when I try to setup a def web browser.
[20:20] <rmrfslash> anyone know what the heck is up here?
[20:21] <xenaxon> vince: Nice :D
[20:22] <xenaxon> vince: do you know how to setup multiple vhosts. I don't know where the vhosts file is kept on linux
[20:22] <rmrfslash> locate vhost
[20:22] <rmrfslash> sudo updatedb
[20:22] <rmrfslash> locate <string>
[20:23] <rmrfslash> /etc/apache2
[20:23] <xenaxon> it doesn't return anything
[20:23] <Oxymoron> amichair: Back :)
[20:23] <rmrfslash> did u run updatedb?
[20:23] <rmrfslash> sudo updatedb
[20:24] <rmrfslash> (I assume this is an apache question btw)
[20:24] <xenaxon> ok, yes it iss
[20:24] <xenaxon> I've already set the hosts file in etc
[20:24] <Oxymoron> amichair: Sorry if I was a little bit uhm irritated before :P I am irritated on this problem still, but not in the same way after some food :P
[20:25] <rmrfslash> so you edited /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[20:25] <rmrfslash> is what you're saying
[20:25] <xenaxon> no
[20:25] <xenaxon> I've edited dns
[20:25] <xenaxon> in etc/hosts file
[20:25] <amichair> Oxymoron: it's always irritating when your system doesn't 'just work'... unfortunately, I don't think I know enough about it to help u :-/
[20:25] <xenaxon> and now I have to setup the vhosts in apache
[20:26] <xenaxon> but I'm not sure how because the folder structure is different from windows
[20:26] <xenaxon> in windows I had a specific httpd-vhosts file
[20:26] <xenaxon> and on kubuntu the only familiar file is in sites-enabled
[20:26] <rmrfslash> you make a virtual host in the sites-available dir
[20:26] <xenaxon> and how do I name it?
[20:26] <xenaxon> I currenty see 1 file: 000-default
[20:27] <rmrfslash>   <VirtualHost *:80>
[20:27] <rmrfslash> blah blah blah </VirtualHost>
[20:27] <xenaxon> do I edit in that file?
[20:27] <xenaxon> yes that I know
[20:27] <Oxymoron> amichair: Well overall my experience of Kubuntu Lucid and KDE 4.4 is awesome but if and when I want to watch movies I want everything just to work out of the box ;) The video problem is the only one for the moment that really annoys me, other small bugs I can live with.
[20:27] <xenaxon> but I'm not sure if I should make a different file or edit that one
[20:27] <rmrfslash> backup that one and then edit it
[20:27] <amichair> Oxymoron: from what u said, it does work out of the box. but not out of an upgrade...
[20:27] <rmrfslash> cp default default.bak
[20:27] <rmrfslash> vim default
[20:27] <rmrfslash> ::: mess it up:::
[20:28] <rmrfslash> :::save:::
[20:28] <FloodBotK1> rmrfslash: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:28] <rmrfslash> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[20:29] <James147> xenaxon: I would replace vim with an edirot you are use to :) its not the easiest thing to learn quickly:)
[20:29] <James147> editor ^^
[20:29] <rmrfslash> sudo apt-get install gedit
[20:29] <rmrfslash> gedit default
[20:29] <rmrfslash> if you like guis
[20:30] <James147> rmrfslash: kate is the default editor here :P
[20:30] <rmrfslash> :P
[20:30] <xenaxon> yes.
[20:30] <James147> rmrfslash: well, on kde... I tend to use vi
[20:30] <rmrfslash> im still partially stuck in gnome-world
[20:30] <xenaxon> I can use kate, I'm used to using allot of different editors
[20:30] <rmrfslash> sudo apt-get install vim-full
[20:30] <xenaxon> I also have the PHP Eclipse
[20:30] <rmrfslash> 90 MB later you have syntax highlighting
[20:30] <amichair> xenaxon: u can google "apache2 debian configuration files" or something like that, and read up on the debian way of splitting up the conf files... was confusing for me too when moving from windows
[20:30] <rmrfslash> PDT
[20:31] <James147> xenaxon: just warning, vi can be dificult to get out of if you have never used it before :)
[20:31] <rmrfslash> best PHP IDE for $0
[20:31] <Oxymoron> amichair: But that is paradoxal. If I would upgrade from one version to another and get errors, why should the new upgrade work if you upgrade a clean version of the new one? :D
[20:31] <Oxymoron> amichair: Something happens between there ...
[20:35] <xenaxon> first one seems to be working
[20:35] <xenaxon> first vhosts
[20:35] <xenaxon> vhost*
[20:36] <genii> jkd4: <jkd4> what does "use persistent connections to proxy" mean in the proxy settins menu of konqueror?"   is the question you asked which it had the answer to.
[20:40] <rmrfslash> I think it means that Konqueror will use a persistent TCP connection to the http proxy rather than establishing a new connection for every request. Probably make things a bit faster.
[20:40] <rmrfslash> Is this correct?
[20:40] <rmrfslash> no need to make dual TCP connections per every request
[20:41] <rmrfslash> and you know at least one of those connections is always to the same node (the proxy)
[20:43] <Ahmed\> Hello
[20:43] <Ahmed\> How do i turn off that F12 search auto starts on start up i even tried to remove it from startup list but it comes back !!!!!!!!
[20:43] <Oxymoron> amichair: Do you know where to look? I cant google it because I cant search correct queries I guess, almost nobody know how to fix it in any support channels no matter if its dev or not. I want somewhere to start looking that I havent looked before? For isntance, could it be any file /home/username/.* that mess things up because mostly things stay in home folder and everywhere else it changes once in awhile. Then I saw one
[20:43] <Oxymoron> problem today was that xorg.conf saves over backup files and not the real one if those exist and it really sucks.
[20:45] <Ahmed\> Hello
[20:46] <Ahmed\> ?
[20:47] <rmrfslash> what the heck is F12 search
[20:47] <amichair> Oxymoron: if it's anything to do with kde, all the conf is under ~/.kde folder - u can try renaming it and restarting and a new one will be created instead
[20:47] <Ahmed\> What fo you mean ? i mean it starts up on the tastbar up there next to bluetooth icon
[20:48] <Oxymoron> amichair: Yeah I guess I try that for starter :)
[20:48] <rmrfslash> I don't have this icon
[20:48] <rmrfslash> is it in the system tray?
[20:48] <Ahmed\> no i mean that
[20:48] <Ahmed\> just press F12 and see
[20:49] <Ahmed\> i guess its off lemme logout BRB
[20:50] <rmrfslash> when I hit F12 nothing happens
[20:50] <rmrfslash> at all
[20:50] <Ahmed\> Here
[20:50] <Ahmed\> back
[20:50] <amichair> Ahmed\: are u on lucid?
[20:50] <Ahmed\> I mean i cleared it
[20:50] <Ahmed\> NO I am on KK
[20:50] <Ahmed\> :)
[20:50] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:50] <rmrfslash> I'm on karmic
[20:50] <Ahmed\> me too
[20:50] <rmrfslash> sweet
[20:51] <Ahmed\> Thinking about to switch it to Lucid next month LTS
[20:51] <Ahmed\> :)
[20:51] <Ahmed\> I like using Gnome so
[20:51] <rmrfslash> did you install some search application or something
[20:51] <rmrfslash> that's not in the standard install?
[20:52] <Ahmed\> Yes exactly
[20:52] <Ahmed\> :)
[20:52] <rmrfslash> what's it called?
[20:52] <Ahmed\> so it was running on and kinda i dont like stuff on my taskbar :$
[20:52] <rmrfslash> why don't you uninstall it if you don't like it
[20:52] <Ahmed\> i think indexing search
[20:52] <rmrfslash> it's not nepomuk is it?
[20:52] <Ahmed\> Just a second
[20:53] <Ahmed\> Tracker search tool
[20:53] <Oxymoron> amichair: Doesnt seem to be kde configfalties anyway
[20:53] <Ahmed\> I think this
[20:54] <rmrfslash> tracker is a gnome thing right?
[20:54] <Ahmed\> Yes
[20:54] <Ahmed\> and it doesnt even search HHHHHHH
[20:56] <mm_202> Hey guys, anyone have any luck with getting a Bluetooth headset working with Kubuntu 9.10?
[20:57] <James147> Ahmed\: use #ubuntu for gnome or ubuntu related questions
[20:57] <Ahmed\> I know but :) i join this room
[20:57] <Ahmed\> HEY James its you
[20:58] <Ahmed\> I had a few questions :)
[20:58] <Ahmed\> Can i ask you one a day :P
[20:58] <steven_> I'm having a problem with x starting its saying display is not set up
[20:59] <James147> Ahmed\: we mainly know kde related problems, you will get much better answer for ubntu and gnome in #ubuntu
[20:59] <Ahmed\> Oh but i won't get any James over there :)
[20:59] <Ahmed\> Okay thank you :)
[20:59] <James147> Ahmed\: :p
[21:00] <Ahmed\> True :)
[21:01] <rmrfslash> Ahmed\: I just tried googling about to figure out how to uninstall tracker
[21:01] <Ahmed\> James, how can i check which application is currently Connected to the internet ? i mean for example Firefox i can see but rest and over all connected programs?
[21:02] <GNU\colossus> Ahmed\: man netstat
[21:02] <rmrfslash> sudo netstat -tanp (for tcp connections)
[21:02] <Ahmed\> oh well i can see that thing on software center lemme uninstall
[21:02] <rmrfslash> sudo lsof -i:80
[21:02] <Ahmed\> this also works on Linux ? netstat
[21:02] <Ahmed\> Just a secon
[21:02] <rmrfslash> ther'es a variety of junk out there for interrogating the net connections
[21:03] <alvin> lol, also works on Linux :-)
[21:03] <Ahmed\> Well great ! this will take an hour to see :$
[21:03] <Ahmed\> hhhhhh yeah been on windows before so :$
[21:03] <rmrfslash> does netstat work on linux....... :-/
[21:03] <Ahmed\> her'es a variety of junk out there for interrogating the net connections
[21:03] <rmrfslash> good grief
[21:03] <Ahmed\> HUH hahah
[21:03] <GNU\colossus> Ahmed\: netstat will display results a lot faster if you disable rDNS lookups
[21:04] <rmrfslash> yeah
[21:04] <Ahmed\> How do i do that  ? GNU ?
[21:04] <rmrfslash> don't use the "n" option I think
[21:04] <GNU\colossus> Ahmed\: just run it with the -n switch
[21:04] <Ahmed\> cause i need only for applications and this mix up
[21:04] <Ahmed\> okay
[21:04] <rmrfslash> or I mean, *do* use "n"
[21:04] <Ahmed\> same command for windows :P
[21:04] <rmrfslash> go windows.
[21:04] <Ahmed\> i did use             n
[21:05] <Ahmed\> NO NO :$
[21:05] <alvin> I'm fairly certain netstat existed before Windows
[21:05] <rmrfslash> alvin: :)
[21:05] <GNU\colossus> yeah, it does. it's broken in at least one implementation there.
[21:05] <Ahmed\> Dont wanna see windows again :$
[21:05] <Ahmed\> sudo lsof -i:80 this doesnt works :)
[21:05] <rmrfslash> sure it does
[21:06] <sithlord48> what are you tring to find out ?
[21:06] <ubsafder> what user runs the cron
[21:06] <rmrfslash> crontab -e
[21:06] <rmrfslash> cat /etc/crontab
[21:06] <Ahmed\> I mean i am tryping to find, How can i see if which software is currently connected to the internet :) Netstat n
[21:06] <James147> ubsafder: cron is run by root i think
[21:07] <Ahmed\> ?
[21:07] <rmrfslash> the "p" switch shows you the process
[21:07] <rmrfslash> ^^
[21:07] <Ahmed\> huh
[21:07] <rmrfslash> sudo netstat -tanp
[21:07] <rmrfslash> look all the way to the right
[21:07] <Ahmed\> Okay
[21:07] <ubsafder> i can't get the machine to reboot automatically with cron wonder if it is possible
[21:08] <Ahmed\> THANKS thats what i was looking for ;P
[21:08] <sithlord48> damn u beat me too it ...
[21:09] <sithlord48> althought i was gonna just say netstat -p , but yours is a bit more detail
[21:09] <GNU\colossus> ubsafder: of course it is. but why would you want to do that?
[21:09] <Ahmed\> Okay well netstat ? for all connected connections ? and netstat n? what is this for plus sudo netstat -tanp thats for connected softwares i get it
[21:10] <ubsafder> force the user to get back on track he has attention issue the user
[21:10] <rmrfslash> sudo will get you everything and won't get you hung up on those pesky permissions problems
[21:10] <Ahmed\> what sudo command stands for ?
[21:10] <sithlord48> netstat -p shows basicly what netstat shows but with program on far right
[21:10] <sithlord48> su do
[21:10] <sithlord48> or super user do
[21:10] <rmrfslash> switch user, do
[21:11] <Ahmed\> Oh thats great, I was dying to know what a SUPER USER IS :$
[21:11] <rmrfslash> sudo -u foobar <command>
[21:11] <Ahmed\> So P stands for Programs ?
[21:11] <sithlord48> me thinks so (but prolly stands for process)
[21:11] <rmrfslash> I don't think it stands for super user
[21:11] <rmrfslash> it's switch user
[21:11] <rmrfslash> like su
[21:11] <rmrfslash> su - username
[21:12] <rmrfslash> sudo -u username
[21:12] <Ahmed\> lemme see
[21:12] <rmrfslash> by default it's root
[21:12] <sithlord48> i never thought of it that way cause u can do su (no name ) to be root
[21:12] <rmrfslash> right default
[21:12] <sithlord48> :) see learn new stuff every day
[21:12] <Ahmed\> i mean, sudo apt-get ? this command
[21:12] <Ahmed\> i will :)
[21:13] <sithlord48> apt-get  basicly does package managment..
[21:13] <Ahmed\> okay and sudo ?
[21:13] <sithlord48> you can do apt-get install <packagename> and it will install the package
[21:13] <Ahmed\> What is a super user ?
[21:13] <sithlord48> sudo does things as root
[21:13] <Ahmed\> Yes i see
[21:13] <sithlord48> super use is root
[21:14] <sithlord48> got ne more questions while im here ?
[21:14] <Ahmed\> yes
[21:14] <sithlord48> Ahmed are you a new user ?
[21:14] <Ahmed\> what is this command for ?
[21:14] <Ahmed\> Yeah i am :)
[21:15] <rmrfslash> the question mark? invalid syntax
[21:15] <sithlord48> you might want to also sign up for a kubuntu forms account
[21:15] <Ahmed\> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ?
[21:15] <rmrfslash> echo $? is exit status though
[21:15] <Ahmed\> Well what for ?
[21:15] <sithlord48> will reconfigure your timezone data package
[21:15] <sithlord48> support @ www.kubuntu-forums.net
[21:15] <Ahmed\>  i get this when i put that command
[21:16] <Ahmed\> i will join it :) tomorrow
[21:16] <sithlord48> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ <- thats correct
[21:16] <Ahmed\> but i like using it Gnome :) but i am on KDE 4.4 as well as on Xubuntu
[21:16] <Ahmed\> oh
[21:16] <rmrfslash> Is this correctly stated: apt-get actually uses dpkg wihch is a lower level package manager for debian distros... dpkg-reconfigure reconfigures the package using the lower level dpkg toolkit
[21:17] <sithlord48> yes that correct
[21:17] <rmrfslash> cool
[21:17] <sithlord48> and unlike dpkg it will get the packages to be installed for you
[21:18] <sithlord48> its ok ahmed we won't hold ur gnome use angist you :)
[21:18] <rmrfslash> right, it gets the .deb packages and basically runs dpkg -i <pakage>.deb
[21:18] <sithlord48> basicly
[21:18] <rmrfslash> and does of course some database stuff to keep track of what you installed
[21:18] <rmrfslash> or it might just use the dpkg database
[21:18] <sithlord48> me thinks that part of dpkg
[21:19] <rmrfslash> so basically synaptic is a wrapper that does #!/bin/bash dpkg $@
[21:19] <rmrfslash> :D
[21:19] <rmrfslash> kidding
[21:19] <sithlord48> kinda in the most simplistic way of looking at it
[21:20] <rmrfslash> I'm sure it does more than that
[21:20] <sithlord48> a lot more
[21:20] <genii> dpkg-reconfigure uses debconf
[21:20] <rmrfslash> how do you search for packages in pure debian?
[21:20] <sithlord48> synaptic
[21:20] <rmrfslash> like the yum equivalent I think
[21:20] <rmrfslash> oh
[21:20] <sithlord48> you can do so w/ apt-get as well
[21:20] <sithlord48> i just don't remember how its like apt-get cache <package> or something like that
[21:21] <rmrfslash> I use aptitude,  and sometimes the yeild is a bit different. what's the story behind that?
[21:21] <genii> rmrfslash: apt-cache search name
[21:21] <rmrfslash> apt-cache search
[21:21] <sithlord48> different front ends for dpkg
[21:21] <sithlord48> if in not mistaken
[21:21] <rmrfslash> I tend to use aptitude
[21:22] <rmrfslash> but like I said, sometimes apt-get complains that a package has broken dependencies and aptitude just fixes them
[21:22] <sithlord48> naw i use apt-get almost exclusively  (and i don't have a good reason)
[21:22] <rmrfslash> I actually have a better time with synaptic than apt-get
[21:22] <rmrfslash> sorry
[21:22] <rmrfslash> aptitude
[21:23] <James147> rmrfslash: I like its interactive view as well :)
[21:23] <sithlord48> yes synaptic is nice.. but when u know the package name you can install it via the cli faster (cause of not waiting for synaptic to start)
[21:23] <rmrfslash> and you don't need apt-cache, apt-get, etc... you just to sudo aptitude search foo
[21:23] <rmrfslash> aptitude install foo
[21:23] <James147> rmrfslash:  aptitude search dosent need sudo
[21:23] <rmrfslash> though it doesn't have the remove --purge which I like from apt-get
[21:23] <sithlord48> naw i goes like this on my machine , sudo apt-get update (update cache)
[21:23] <rmrfslash> habit
[21:24] <James147> rmrfslash: aptitude purge will purge :)
[21:24] <rmrfslash> oh
[21:24] <sithlord48> then sudo apt-get isntall (ususally know the name of this package)
[21:24] <sithlord48> + profit
[21:24] <sithlord48> there is no good reason i perfer it , i just do
[21:24] <rmrfslash> I definitely like aptitude and it fixes most stuff. Also finds updates that apt-get doesn't
[21:25] <Hazamonzo> Is there a kde equivilent of Gnome Schedule?
[21:25] <rmrfslash> for example, I bet if everyone runs aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade there will be stuff to install
[21:25] <James147> rmrfslash:  i like: alias upgrade='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade'  :)
[21:25] <sithlord48> kontact prolly has it as a part of it ..
[21:25] <Ahmed\> rmrfslash: you was right on ubuntu room they know Gnome so well :) thank you
[21:26] <mfraz74> i usually do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:26] <rmrfslash> or https://mail.google.com
[21:26] <James147> rmrfslash: and diff between full an dist?
[21:26] <rmrfslash> that's a good one :P
[21:26] <rmrfslash> no clue
[21:26] <sithlord48> + 1 update / dist-upgrade
[21:26] <rmrfslash> I just blindly do full
[21:26] <sithlord48> ok i hvae to go for now ttfn all
[21:27] <rmrfslash> I think I knew at one point
[21:27] <rmrfslash> had to have
[21:27] <mfraz74> and there's aptitude -F %p search "~c" | xargs sudo dpkg -P to remove anything left over after removing packages
[21:27] <James147> Hazamonzo: for cron? System settings -> advanced -> Task schedular
[21:28] <James147> rmrfslash: or just sudo aptitude purge ~c
[21:28] <James147> rm :)
[21:28] <James147> rmrfslash:  ^^
[21:29] <rmrfslash> rm -rf / ??
[21:29] <Hazamonzo> James147: http://imagebin.ca/view/ykv0RiH.html
[21:30] <Hazamonzo> Am i just being blind?
[21:30] <rmrfslash> see, you post a link, I click on it and it opens konqueror
[21:30] <rmrfslash> grrr
[21:30] <rmrfslash> no one post links anymore
[21:30] <arch0njw> James147: rmrfslash:  there is no difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade -- only difference is the command run
[21:30] <arch0njw> James147: rmrfslash:  "aptitude full-upgrade" is the same thing as "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:30] <James147> Hazamonzo: heh, kde 4.3?? Im useing 4.4 might be an addition in 4.4 is so
[21:31] <rmrfslash> oh
[21:31] <rmrfslash> cool
[21:31] <James147> arch0njw: and aptitude dist-upgrade as well?
[21:31] <rmrfslash> 4.4 is pretty awesome
[21:31] <Hazamonzo> James147: KDE 4.3 not the default shipepd with 9.10?
[21:31] <alvin> Will KDE 4.4.2 be packaged for Karmic?
[21:31] <rmrfslash> alvin: it is
[21:32] <James147> Hazamonzo: yes it is, 4.4 is availbble in backports
[21:32] <arch0njw> James147: technically, "aptitude dist-upgrade" is not a valid command -- though it might honor it and effectively pass it through.
[21:32] <rmrfslash> oh wait
[21:32] <rmrfslash> I have 4.4.1
[21:32] <Hazamonzo>  James147How might i go about upgrading ?
[21:32] <rmrfslash> did I miss something?
[21:32] <alvin> Nono, I meant 4.4.2
[21:32] <mfraz74> using the backports on my laptop, keep wanting to put it on my desktop, but need the courage to do it!
[21:33] <arch0njw> James147: oh... reading from the ubuntu manpages site (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/) "... aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonum for full-upgrade."
[21:33] <rmrfslash> measure once aptitude twice, that's my motto
[21:33] <James147> arch0njw: man aptitude -> This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade.
[21:33] <rmrfslash> joking
[21:33] <James147> arch0njw: so guess so :)
[21:33] <rmrfslash> oh cool
[21:34] <rmrfslash> so I'm using the updated flag :P
[21:34] <arch0njw> James147: aye.  I use apt-get anyway.  for whatever reason, I don't like "aptitude"... too long to spell maybe
[21:34] <rmrfslash> I'm cutting edge
[21:34] <James147> arch0njw: i tend to apti<TAB>
[21:34] <rmrfslash> alias!
[21:34] <maco> apti<tab>
[21:34] <alvin> actually, aptitude is the preferred program (official Debian documentation)
[21:34] <James147> arch0njw: really anoying here as i keep typeing that :)
[21:34] <mfraz74> whereas i do apt-g<TAB>
[21:35] <arch0njw> James147: maco: indeed.  but it's like ONE CHARACTER longer than apt-get, dudes... ;p
[21:35] <rmrfslash> there is definitely something different about aptitude and apt-get though
[21:35] <James147> arch0njw: dam why dosent everyting have auto complete :S i keep hitting tab or ctrl+space everywhere :S
[21:35] <maco> rmrfslash: not much anymore
[21:35] <arch0njw> James147: the whole freaking world needs autocomplete...
[21:35] <maco> apt-get didnt used to install Recommend, but now it doe
[21:35] <rmrfslash> the whole world needs one package manager
[21:35] <rmrfslash> and one network manager
[21:35] <arch0njw> maco: correct.  that was an updated within the past release or two.  Just hit that one a couple weeks ago.
[21:35] <maco> and apt-get didnt used to have "apt-get autoremove" to get rid of "was installed as a dependency but nothing depends on it now" but now it does
[21:35] <rmrfslash> and one multimedia framework
[21:36] <rmrfslash> and to delete ati graphics adaptors
[21:36] <mfraz74> how do i install recommends with apt-get?
[21:36] <maco> mfraz74: its automatic since fall 2008
[21:36] <arch0njw> mfraz74: if you are using a recent release, that automatically happens.
[21:36] <maco> well in debian...so probably spring 2009 here
[21:36] <mfraz74> oh, hadn't noticed!
[21:37] <rmrfslash> gotta run
[21:37] <rmrfslash> cya
[21:40] <arch0njw> mfraz74: if you want to really force apt-get's hand, you can specify the --install-recommends option.
[21:40] <arch0njw> mfraz74: similarly there is the --no-install-recommends to be darn sure you aren't getting the recommended packages (assuming that's what you want to do)
[21:41] <Ahmed\> apt-get autoremove ? what is this command for ?
[21:41] <Ahmed\> should i be using it as a root user?
[21:42] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: use sudo to run that; and it removes things that are no longer required.
[21:42] <Ahmed\> Thanks
[21:42] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:42] <Ahmed\> apt-get autoremove
[21:42] <Ahmed\> COrrect ?
[21:43] <arch0njw> this answers lots of questions about commands:  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[21:43] <mfraz74> arch0njw: thanks
[21:43] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: sudo apt-get autoremove
[21:43] <Ahmed\> Whats the difference between a root user and myself my own user account ?
[21:44] <Tm_T> !root | Ahmed\
[21:44] <James147> Ahmed\: root can do just about everything, you cant
[21:44] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: "root" is the super-duper-massive user.  root can do everything -- which means if you "rm" the wrong thing, it's just gone.
[21:45] <Ahmed\> ummm
[21:45] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: using "sudo" to run system commands is safer because of the extra step of typing that and needing to enter your password.
[21:45] <Ahmed\> wrong things ? james whats that
[21:45] <Ahmed\> I see
[21:45] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: for example, deleting system files
[21:45] <Ahmed\> Oh !
[21:46] <mfraz74> sudo rm -r /
[21:46] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: or installing things without permission.  You can actually REVOKE the right for some users to run "apt-get" or "aptitude".
[21:46] <James147> Ahmed\: Generally dont use root... (or sudo) unless you need to
[21:46] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: mfraz74:  uh.. yeah.  NEVER run that command.
[21:46] <Ahmed\> so should i always be on a root@ubuntu to use any command ?
[21:46] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: no
[21:46] <James147> mfraz74: wouldent quote commands like that... some people tend to listen and try commands out with thinking :)
[21:47] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: be on as you.  if you need to run a system command, use "sudo".  that's the best practice with most systems.
[21:47] <mfraz74> yeah, suppose i shouldn't have posted it
[21:47] <Ahmed\> Okay what command you talked about ? up there
[21:47] <Ahmed\> Never run this command ?
[21:47] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: no.  nevermind.  better to not know :)
[21:47] <Ahmed\> No well please :$
[21:48] <Ahmed\> aptitude what is this for ?
[21:48] <arch0njw> !aptitude
[21:48] <James147> Ahmed\: aptitude is used like apt-get too install and remove packages
[21:48] <arch0njw> !apt-get
[21:49] <Ahmed\> JAmes is this a same command as apt-get ?
[21:49] <mfraz74> wasn't there a video on youtube showing what happens to a running system when you type the above command
[21:49] <Ahmed\> hhhhhhhuh which above command
[21:49] <arch0njw> mfraz74: that video was awesome
[21:49] <James147> Ahmed\: Not exatly, they are two programs that do similur things
[21:49] <Oxymoron> amichair: LoL I accidently removed .kde and when restore i Used mv and cp wrong :D
[21:49] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: the command was a "very destructive system command" which basically destroyed the OS.
[21:49] <Ahmed\> umm okay Jamaes
[21:49] <Ahmed\> Can i see that @_@
[21:50] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: apt-get and aptitude are not the same. suggest doing a web-serach for teh differences.  But they ultimately do they same thing.
[21:50] <Oxymoron> amichair: So I had to copy a folder with wrong permissions ... Took awhile to fix xD
[21:50] <Ahmed\> Yeah i see
[21:51] <James147> arch0njw: althoug, dosent it treat root differtly now, the distructive command :)
[21:51] <Ahmed\> James which command they are talking about that destroy the OS huh
[21:51] <arch0njw> James147: I have not tried.  No plans to either.  I like my system to ... oh ... actually work. ;)
[21:52] <James147> Ahmed\: I'm not going to say :)
[21:52] <Ahmed\> Okay well never mind :)
[21:52] <arch0njw> James147: tho maybe I need to make a vm fo the purposes of killing it.  Mad Scientist experiment, and such.
[21:52] <James147> arch0njw: I mean from reading the man pages... --preserve-root  -- or something similar
[21:52] <James147> arch0njw: --preserve-root    do not remove `/' (default)
[21:53] <mfraz74> ok i'm off before my battery dies
[21:53] <arch0njw> James147: ah, yes.  quite right.
[21:53] <Ahmed\> brb
[21:54] <James147> arch0njw: but I still wouldent try it :) ... well, execpt that once time.... in a virtual mechine i was about to delete :D
[21:54] <Oxymoron> amichair: Alright, not kde, xserver, nvidia, xine, mplayer, gstreamer, compiz ... not much left to try :D Could be a bug though, but not sure if I know more who have same problem
[21:55] <Ahmed\> I found it James
[21:55] <Ahmed\> :P
[21:56] <James147> Ahmed\: I advise you DONT use it :)
[21:56] <Ahmed\> Okay okay i won't :)
[21:59] <Ahmed\> James
[22:00] <Ahmed\> What does *on the end means ? after a command
[22:01] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: "everything".  Therefore "ls *" means "list everything".
[22:01] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: and the random question marks are confusing because "?" is a wildcard as well -- but only for a single-character :)
[22:02] <Ahmed\> umm
[22:03] <Ahmed\> i mean what is that really use for, I mean i dont need it on sudo apt-get ? with a start !
[22:03] <Ahmed\> star !
[22:03] <James147> Ahmed\: * will match everything in your current directory :) useing it with something like...   *.txt will match any file that ends in .txt
[22:03] <Ahmed\> umm thats good answer
[22:03] <Ahmed\> See this is why i like James :$
[22:03] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: * will not work with apt-get (or aptitude).
[22:03] <Ahmed\> Yeah i see...
[22:04] <James147> Ahmed\: Its generally used to math files and directoys, not in apt-get or aptitude :)
[22:04] <vince> Hi
[22:04] <James147> Ahmed\: if you want to know more look to regualar expressions... they can be very powerful :)
[22:04] <vince> I screwed up again, need help
[22:04] <Ahmed\> ummm
[22:04] <James147> !ask | vince
[22:04] <Ahmed\> i will
[22:04] <James147> hmm, seems a little slow :S
[22:05] <Ahmed\> am i ?
[22:05] <James147> Ahmed\: , no ubottu
[22:05] <Ahmed\> oh
[22:05] <vince> Fine, I need to reinstall my sound and graphic drivers because I think that the virtualbox guest additions messed everything up
[22:06] <vince> especially the experimental 3d support
[22:06] <arch0njw> vince: are you having a problem with the host or the guest?
[22:06] <vince> the host
[22:06] <James147> vince: hmm, dident think the guest additions affected the host... you dident install them on teh host did you?
[22:07] <vince> Kubuntu tells me that my recording device (my mic, which I can't use in skype) is gone and it wants to get rid of it
[22:07] <vince> nope, on the guest (win xp)
[22:08] <vince> plus "L'affichage composite n'est pas pris en charge sur votre système"
[22:08] <vince> grrr
[22:08] <Ahmed\> What's OpenBSD ?
[22:09] <vince> fresh install this afternoon
[22:09] <vince> FUCK THIS big time :(
[22:09] <James147> Ahmed\: its an operating system baised on the BSD os
[22:09] <arch0njw> !language | vince
[22:09]  * vince apologises
[22:09] <Ahmed\> And what is ubuntu based on ?
[22:09] <Ahmed\> kerenal ?
[22:10] <vince> debian
[22:10] <Ahmed\> oh
[22:10] <Ahmed\> Isn't BSD more secure :)
[22:10] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: vince: ultimately GNU Linux (unless I am mistaken).
[22:10] <Ahmed\> umm correct
[22:10] <James147> Ahmed\: ubuntu is baised on debian which uses the linux kernal
[22:10] <vince> I don't understand what's happening :/
[22:11] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: not necessarily.  They're just different.  The internets surely has this comparison well documented (somehwere).
[22:11] <Ahmed\> SO it means its a Debian based ?
[22:12] <vince> see
[22:12] <vince> http://bayimg.com/caLhbaaC
[22:12] <vince> I've got this message while the effects are actually enabled
[22:13] <vince> http://bayimg.com/caLhbaaCj
[22:15] <James147> vince: Links not working for me :S
[22:15] <vince> 2nd link is ok
[22:15] <vince> http://bayimg.com/caLhbaaCj
[22:16] <Ahmed\> WHat is Linux Mint ?
[22:16] <srdjan> bloody kubuntu >:(
[22:16] <vince> Kubuntu
[22:16] <srdjan> it wont let me start X as a normal user
[22:16] <natman> hi
[22:17] <robinking623> Hello, everybody, who has the experience with secpanel under kde?
[22:17] <vince> ok, reboot and see whant happens
[22:17] <Galvatron> srdjan - neither will Ubuntu or pure Debian.
[22:17] <vince> i'm gonna trash the bloody laptop
[22:17] <James147> Ahmed\: mint is a distrbution that is baised of ubuntu
[22:17] <robinking623> I can not use secpanel under KDE
[22:17] <srdjan> Galvatron: why not? :(
[22:17] <Ahmed\> James what you think? which is the best in Linux OS, I mean over all
[22:18] <Galvatron> IIt's not my work;)
[22:18] <Galvatron> You mean ypu dont want sudo?
[22:18] <James147> !best | Ahmed\
[22:18] <robinking623> anyone with experience of secpanel?
[22:19] <Ahmed\> i mean the best OS.ubuntu, fedora mint or redhat :)
[22:19] <robinking623> Ahmed\: the best os is ms windows
[22:19] <arch0njw> !best | Ahmed\
[22:19] <Galvatron> Mint and Ubuntu are both Debian. Mint is a modified Ubuntu.
[22:19] <Ahmed\> ms windows HUH oh really ! i was on it from years
[22:19] <Ahmed\> :P
[22:20] <James147> Ahmed\: see previous answer with s/application/distrabution/
[22:20] <robinking623> anyone can help me with the secpanel?
[22:20] <Ahmed\> Oh that;s the only difference :) just modified :) but does it have Gnome ?
[22:20] <robinking623> I can use it under gnome or xfce. but I can use it under kde
[22:20] <Galvatron> It has whatever you install - just like any Linux.
[22:20] <vince_> how can a internal device be removed without me noticing...
[22:21] <vince_> I just don't get it!
[22:21] <arch0njw> Ahmed\: please check out their website for more detailed information  about it.  They do a great job of explaining it.
[22:21] <Ahmed\> Good idea
[22:21] <vince_> http://bayimg.com/CaLHHAACj
[22:22] <vince_> at least everythings working fine under gnome...
[22:22] <Ahmed\> James, how to install programs exactracted on yoru desktop i mean how reall
[22:22] <vince_> too bad nautilus is so limited
[22:22] <Ahmed\> really
[22:22] <vince_> any ideas ? http://bayimg.com/CaLHHAACj
[22:23] <Galvatron> VInce - just for us, could you switch your system to English? Not everyone here speaks French.;)
[22:23] <robinking623> vince_: what is that?
[22:23] <James147> Ahmed\: an installed application is just an application that will run :p there iesnt really any difference and there are 100s of different ways to install something...
[22:24] <vince_> It says, basically: an internal device (my integrated microphone) has been removed, would you like kde to tell it to go to hell?
[22:24] <James147> Ahmed\: See the documentation that came with the program to see how to "install" it or get it to work
[22:24] <Ahmed\> yes...
[22:25] <Ahmed\> James Mac4Lin, its just a theme, can i try :)
[22:26] <James147> Ahmed\: themes are usually placedin a directory somewhere... need to know a theme of what to know where
[22:26] <vince_> :(
[22:26] <Ahmed\> see
[22:26]  * vince_ is threatening of going back to windows
[22:26] <Ahmed\> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin/
[22:26] <Ahmed\> this here
[22:26] <natman> Hi, is this the right place to learn about helping out in KDE?
[22:27] <Ahmed\> yes natman, until we have a person like James
[22:27] <Ahmed\> you are at the right place
[22:27] <Ahmed\> :)
[22:27] <arch0njw> natman: do you mean answering questions, or developing code?
[22:27] <James147> Ahmed\: The project is built for desktop environments based on GTK <- as I have said before... #ubuntu for gnome I can't help you there
[22:27] <Ahmed\> Okay :)
[22:27] <Ahmed\> BRB
[22:28] <James147> natman: #kde is better for kde spicific stuff..
[22:28] <natman> Ahmed,arch0njw i was looking to help out in the marble project, i know very little if any code but i presume its not just code i can help with
[22:28] <arch0njw> natman: #kde is the place you want to be, perhaps even one of the developer channels.
[22:29] <natman> the #marble room is very quite, my first time using IRC so its all a little new to me
[22:30] <arch0njw> natman: if you hop into #kde, they can better direct you (if that isn't the best place to be ultimately)
[22:30] <James147> natman: see #kde or even the kde site that has lots of info if you want to help out
[22:31] <natman> Thanks, one last thing, do i have to  just type your name for you to see a highlighted message, i am using Quassel
[22:31] <arch0njw> natman: yes
[22:31] <arch0njw> natman: you can also use 'tab' for autocompletion of names (very cool)
[22:32] <natman> woah thats a help!! arch0njw James147 Ahmed :)
[22:36] <Ahmed\> Back
[22:38]  * vince is about to have a nervous breakdown
[22:39] <vince> can you guys tell me at least how that is possible...
[22:39] <vince> I have all those fancy effects but can't enable-disable them...
[22:40] <James147> vince: are they already enabled/diabled?
[22:40] <vince> they are enabled
[22:40] <vince> but according to that bloody kde, I can use them
[22:41] <vince> and my microphone juste disapread from my hardware list...
[22:41] <vince> coincidence ?
[22:41] <Ahmed\> James, i have downloaded that theme i pasted you the link of, i have extracted how do i install :)
[22:42] <James147> vince: what happens if you rename .kde? not sure it will help but I'm not sure what else to do :S
[22:42] <vince> it will mess everything up i'm sure
[22:42] <James147> vince: kde should recreate it
[22:43] <vince> i tried to uninstall my graphic drivers > reboot > reinstall
[22:43] <vince> nothing's changed
[22:43] <vince> i'm considering going back to gnome
[22:43] <vince> at least it works fine
[22:44] <vince> and disapearing devices....what the heck is wrong with that thing
[22:44] <James147> Ahmed\: again, I dont know see the documentation that comes with the theme ->http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac4lin/files/mac4lin/ver.1.0_RC1/Mac4Lin_1.0_Documentation-RC2b.pdf/view
[22:46] <vince> any ideas how to reinstall my chipset drivers ?
[22:54] <vince_> Thanks for the tip James147
[22:55] <vince_> KDE recreated everything and it's working fine
[22:55] <vince_> And I added my microphone manually, worked as well, well I guess
[22:55] <Ahmed\> Hello
[22:55] <James147> vince_:  :)
[22:55] <vince_> HOWEVER, having problems like this coming out of nowhere is just...frustrating...
[22:56] <James147> vince_: not sure what created it
[22:56] <Ahmed\> Anyone knows how to check whats on your desktop when you install a program when you have just extracted ?
[22:56] <vince_> I have no idea
[22:56] <vince_> I just installed virtualbox + guest additions
[22:56] <vince_> and skype
[22:57] <James147> Ahmed\: the desktop is located at ~/Desktop  (~/ means you home directory /home/USERNAME)  everything on your "desktop" is there
[22:57] <Ahmed\> lemme see
[22:58] <James147> vince_: I have all them and no problems, guest additions on a win 7 vm
[22:58] <Ahmed\> No i mean when you are on terminal and you have to install any software for example chrome, how would you
[22:58] <James147> vince_: might be bad luck and a cruppt file :S
[22:59] <James147> Ahmed\: to install chrome you have to first down load the .deb from google
[22:59] <Ahmed\> yes then
[23:00] <James147> Ahmed\: click on it in dolphin is the easiest way
[23:00] <Ahmed\> I'm asking for those files which are in a zip :)
[23:00] <James147> Ahmed\: if there in a .zip then see the contents for how to install it.... there are many different ways and it depends on the program
[23:01] <James147> Ahmed\: or see the site you got it from on how to install it
[23:01] <Ahmed\> such as ?
[23:01] <Ahmed\> it has this
[23:01] <Ahmed\> read me
[23:01] <James147> Ahmed\: then do what the file says :)
[23:01] <Ahmed\> Run this script as a normal user (not root!) ***"
[23:01] <Ahmed\> read -p "Press any key to start Installation or Ctrl+C to quit this install"
[23:01] <Ahmed\> see
[23:02] <vince_> James147:  yes bad luck I guess...
[23:04] <Ahmed\> James
[23:04] <Ahmed\> What's the program for wifi hacking ? i mean every one says Ubuntu has it airhack ?
[23:05] <James147> !info aircrack-ng | Ahmed\
[23:05] <Ahmed\> How do i get that ?
[23:05] <James147> Ahmed\: Keep in mind installing it might be illegal depending on where you live... neve mind useing it
[23:06] <James147> Ahmed\: sudo aptitude install <packagename>    <- learn the commands
[23:06] <Ahmed\> ohh
[23:07] <Ahmed\> what would be the package name
[23:07] <Ahmed\> that means it works :P
[23:09] <Ahmed\> James where do i get airhack to try
[23:10] <James147> Ahmed\: see my prevoius comments and try to work it out
[23:10] <Ahmed\> i am thinking :)
[23:10] <Ahmed\> but what would be the package name...
[23:11] <James147> Ahmed\: aptitude search <Searchterms> might also help
[23:11] <James147> Ahmed\: I have said it :)
[23:11] <Ahmed\> um okay well :)
[23:12] <Ahmed\> so won't you tell me a quick way i am new here laa :$
[23:12] <vince_> good night guys
[23:12] <vince_> thanks for the help
[23:12] <Ahmed\> take care vince
[23:13] <Ahmed\> VINCE !
[23:13] <Ahmed\> Listen
[23:13] <vince_> yeah?
[23:13] <Ahmed\> at least you tell me how do i install airhack
[23:13] <Ahmed\> :)
[23:13] <Ahmed\> PLEASE :$
[23:13] <James147> !info aircrach-ng | Ahmed\
[23:13] <FloodBotK1> Ahmed\: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:13] <James147> !info aircrack-ng | Ahmed\
[23:13] <Ahmed\> huh
[23:14] <vince_> haha
[23:14] <vince_> busted
[23:14] <James147> Ahmed\: and since ubottu responds to !info <packagename>     ... and the command you need is sudo aptitude <packagename> ....
[23:14] <vince_> Goood night !
[23:14] <James147> Ahmed\: sudo aptitude install <packagename> sorry
[23:14] <Ahmed\> Well good night
[23:14] <Ahmed\> yes James i do get it but what i can't sort out at my own is
[23:15] <Ahmed\> what is packagename
[23:15] <Ahmed\> :
[23:15] <Ahmed\> :)
[23:15] <Ahmed\> wait
[23:16] <Ahmed\> aircrack-ng :)
[23:16] <Ahmed\> isn;t it
[23:16] <Ahmed\>  ?
[23:16] <James147> Ahmed\: yes....
[23:16] <Ahmed\> See i told you
[23:16] <Ahmed\> lemme try give me that command again thats same for apt-get
[23:16] <James147> Ahmed\: sudo aptitude install and sudo apt-get install bpth work the same
[23:17] <Ahmed\> Okay
[23:17] <Ahmed\> Just a second
[23:17] <Ahmed\> Downloading :)
[23:19] <Ahmed\> James, i have installed it
[23:19] <Ahmed\> now ?
[23:19] <James147> Ahmed\: look for an online guide... its har too complex to discuss here
[23:19] <Ahmed\> oh
[23:20] <Ahmed\> well i better sleep then :) its too late
[23:20] <Ahmed\> i mean 1:20 am
[23:20] <Ahmed\> plus this crumps oh no :$
[23:20] <Ahmed\> See you tomorrow :) thanks for everything
[23:20] <Ahmed\> Ciao
[23:21] <James147> cya
[23:21] <Ahmed\> Bub bye :)
[23:27] <mm_202> [15:56:48] <mm_202> Hey guys, anyone have any luck with getting a Bluetooth headset working with Kubuntu 9.10?
[23:31] <djustice> mm_202: trunk?
[23:35] <mm_202> djustice: trunk?  As in svn trunk of bluez or ?
[23:36] <djustice> as in trunk kdelibs + trunk kdebluetooth = working bluetooth headsets? i thought...
[23:40] <nathan_> The bluetooth hub starts out as NOT DISCOVERABLE, but and every time I try my motorola S9, kbluetooth manager reports that it does not suppor input?
[23:41] <nathan_> I have a solid blue light
[23:41] <mm_202> djustice: I will try that.  ty.