[00:00] <Cloaky8x> next 2 the system tray the indivator applet is its own
[00:00] <crimsun> heh, I've apparently spammed stable@kernel.org :-)
[00:00]  * bcurtiswx_laptop claps for crimsun
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[00:01] <Cloaky8x> Anyone know if Gnomenu is going 2 be added to the Lucid repositories?
[00:02] <bsmith093> bye
[00:02] <arand> Cloaky8x: If it isn't already, not likely, would require a feature freeze exception..
[00:02] <topyli> there also is no "system tray" in gnome :(
[00:03] <kklimonda> topyli: notification area is still there
[00:03] <Cloaky8x> hmmh looks like "Notification Area 2.28.0" lol
[00:03] <kklimonda> there has never been "system tray" in any system.
[00:03] <Cloaky8x> @ arand, meh I guess maybe only after the release it'll be in the software center or something hopefully
[00:03] <kklimonda> (even on windows it's not named "system tray")
[00:04] <yofel> Cloaky8x: more like it will be in Lucid+1
[00:04] <topyli> kklimonda, it's not the same thing. the windows system tray is, well, "system tray" if they want to call it that
[00:04] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: i feel special then...
[00:04] <yofel> Cloaky8x: if it isn't in lucid yet, it won't be added
[00:04] <topyli> kklimonda, oh. what's it called in windows?
[00:04] <bcurtiswx_laptop> kklimonda: that explains all the weird looks i get when I call it that... same with calling a cars turn signal a "blinker"...
[00:04] <kklimonda> topyli: Notification Area
[00:05] <yofel> kklimonda: first time I hear that...
[00:05] <topyli> kklimonda, oh. so why don't they ever use it for notifications?
[00:05] <kklimonda> yofel: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511448.aspx
[00:05] <kklimonda> topyli: why? they do. it's developers who misuse it
[00:05] <topyli> kklimonda, meh, i do know they sometimes do that. most of the time they misuse it just like we do in gnome
[00:05] <Cloaky8x> Maybe the Notification Area and the System tray should get 2gether to have some mutant fish babies
[00:05] <yofel> kklimonda: interesting, thanks
[00:06] <kklimonda> topyli: it's still "misusing"
[00:06] <bcurtiswx_laptop> so its official name is..??
[00:06] <bcurtiswx_laptop> notification area?
[00:06] <kklimonda> topyli: but in Windows 7 they really work on making it display notifications and not.. everything else :)
[00:06] <kklimonda> bcurtiswx_laptop: yes
[00:07] <topyli> kklimonda, i understand windows developers better though, since afaik they don't have a proper applet alternative so they always create a "tray icon"
[00:08] <topyli> they also often need to take care of branding, so that the Adobe icon will never leave your desktop :)
[00:08] <phillw> hi, does anyone know where / how to get the development php.ini file that should ship with LAMP ? I only have the production version and it states I should have both (I need the dev version for debug)
[00:08] <kklimonda> topyli: hmm.. quick launch, language picker are not using notification area and they are embedded on the "panel" itself.
[00:08] <MTughan> topyli: That's what msconfig is for. ;)
[00:08] <kklimonda> topyli: but in my opinion most of applications are not important enough to take precious space on panel
[00:08] <topyli> MTughan, okay if there is something like that, then they're just being lazy :)
[00:08]  * bcurtiswx_laptop hides in corner
[00:09] <MTughan> topyli: Well, even OpenOffice has a "quickstarter" application.
[00:09] <kklimonda> right
[00:09] <kklimonda> !ot |kklimonda
[00:09] <kklimonda> ;)
[00:09] <yofel> ^^
[00:09] <topyli> MTughan, openoffice and pidgin and such can be excused, as they are windows apps anyway :)
[00:10] <topyli> and yes agreed, we have an entire offtopic channel for all this
[00:10] <yofel> phillw: don't you have a /usr/share/doc/php5-common/examples/php.ini-development ?
[00:10] <MTughan> #ubuntu-offtopic?
[00:10] <topyli> aye
[00:13] <phillw> thanks yofel, yup, there is one there. I was looking in /etc/php5/apache2 for php.ini and a dev version
[00:14] <phillw> so, mv /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini /etc/php5/apache2/php.production and then cp the php.ini-development as the new php.ini ?
[00:19] <Nandou> I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[00:19] <KB1JWQ> !apple
[00:19] <KB1JWQ> Hmm.
[00:19] <Nandou> hum
[00:20] <kklimonda> Nandou: can you run with nomodeset ?
[00:20] <Nandou> am being thrown from a channel to another @
[00:20] <Nandou> I tried with nomodoset
[00:21] <Nandou> it just hangs after : "init: ureadahead-other main process terminated with status 4"
[00:22] <kklimonda> hangs?
[00:22] <kklimonda> or switches mode and yo u get black screenn?
[00:22] <kklimonda> heh, lags..
[00:23] <kklimonda> Nandou: you should ask folks at !ubuntu-x about it - I think RAOF is the person who worked on nouveau the most.
[00:24] <Nandou> sorry I was on ##apple
[00:24] <Nandou> it just stop after that
[00:24] <kklimonda> erm, #ubuntu-x
[00:24] <kklimonda> not !ubuntu-x
[00:24] <Nandou> wont go any further
[00:25] <Nandou> it's so strange thought
[00:25] <Nandou> because with the "blacklist=nouveau" switch
[00:26] <Nandou> am going throught the part where the modules are being loaded
[00:26] <Nandou> and at the init phase, it looks like if the nouveau driver was forcibely loaded
[00:26] <penguin42> kklimonda: What is it with that ureadahead error anyway - it's been around for months
[00:28] <Lamo> hm after much searching i cant seem to figure out why my fonts are stretched and fuzzy especially in chrome. plus after being logged in for a while i notice white lines develop along the sides of the screen. Also my splash screen is in super low res. here is a screenshot of chrome and nautilus http://i.imgur.com/dOLBt.png
[00:29] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's a bug in upstart - ureadeahead-other quits with 4 when it doesn't find pack files for some filesystems you have in /etc/fstab
[00:29] <penguin42> kklimonda: Is it a particularly difficult one to fix?
[00:29] <kklimonda> upsteart is supposed to ignore this "error code" but for some reason it doesn't
[00:29] <Nandou> it doesn't seems to interrupt the boot process...
[00:30] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's only cosmetical - doesn't stop or break anything
[00:30] <penguin42> it looks nasty and seems to confuse at least a few people a day into thinking that's the cause of their boot problems
[00:30] <kklimonda> penguin42: it probably is hard to fix as it hasn't been yet
[00:31] <Busata> I shouldn't have dist-upgraded with these last upgrades
[00:31] <Busata> totem has gone missing!
[00:32] <yofel> Busata: you did check what apt was going to do before applying the disk-upgrade, did you?
[00:32] <yofel> *dist
[00:32] <Busata> what, what's wrong with a little adventure :)
[00:32] <ZykoticK9> Lamo, my eyes must be getting bad in my old age, i don't even see a problem with your fonts.  BUT the white line around the edge of the screen can be removed by running "nautilus --quit".  Good luck.
[00:33] <yofel> Busata: :P (I installed upgrades a hour ago and I still  have totem here)
[00:33] <kklimonda> we are in the middle of gnome 2.30 transition so expect some funny updates :)
[00:33] <Lamo> ZykoticK9, thanks, its a fresh install so i can notice it being off
[00:33] <kklimonda> (2.29->2.30 transition)
[00:34] <yofel> ah
[00:34] <Busata> ah, I don't mind, it's pretty nice atm
[00:34] <Busata> just still have an ascii boot loader
[00:49] <Nandou> After my trip to #ubuntu-x I was told to try nouveau.modeset=0, it
[00:49] <Nandou> it's having the same as nomodeset
[00:49] <Nandou> effect as nomodeset
[00:50] <Nandou> The last message I receive is : "b43-phy0 ERROR: Found unsopported PHY (Analog:0, Type: 4, Revision 4)"
[00:59] <titan_ark> i am upgrading to lucid beta, would i be able to still use my old karmic kernel to boot if i blow this?
[01:00] <titan_ark> anyone around?
[01:00] <crimsun> it would be a bad idea.
[01:00] <crimsun> running kernels from an older release with a newer release's udev is Bad.
[01:01] <crimsun> i.e., you're lucky if things work, but don't come running when things fall over.
[01:01] <titan_ark> crimsun, well i would love to use lucid, but my query is if this fails then what?
[01:03] <crimsun> it'd be better to continue using karmic and test a daily live cd occasionally.
[01:03] <crimsun> seriously, if you don't *need* to upgrade, there's no compelling reason to chomp at the bit.
[01:05] <virtuald> titan_ark: then you'd better have a backup :)
[01:05] <titan_ark> crimsun, well, i just wanted to try it out and probably report any bugs etc
[01:05] <crimsun> which you can do using a daily live cd.
[01:05] <bjsnider> crimsun, CMI8788 -- does it work in lucid?
[01:06] <titan_ark> esp cos i am facing a few bugs in karmic and all i am told is it may be fixed in lucid
[01:06] <crimsun> bjsnider: the controller has been supported for nearly seven years.
[01:06] <titan_ark> virtuald, :) yes
[01:07] <titan_ark> crimsun, for eg the power management daemon it always fails to detect my battery after recovering from sleep
[01:07] <bjsnider> the asus xonar ds and dx would both work?
[01:07] <titan_ark> can i test it on a live cd?
[01:07] <crimsun> bjsnider: you need to use ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev's linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[01:08] <bjsnider> why?
[01:08] <crimsun> titan_ark: I've tested plenty of laptops that way
[01:08] <crimsun> bjsnider: because we fix bugs against head, not what's in a distro kernel
[01:08] <crimsun> we selectively ask stuff to be backported by Ccing stable@kernel
[01:09] <titan_ark> crimsun, okay. i dint know i could put the laptop to sleep using live cd
[01:09] <virtuald> as we're in beta i think titan_ark should get the daily live cd, am I wrong?
[01:09] <virtuald> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:09] <crimsun> 20:03 < crimsun> it'd be better to continue using karmic and test a daily live cd occasionally.
[01:09] <crimsun> welcome to six minutes ago
[01:10] <titan_ark> okay thank you
[01:10] <virtuald> oh
[01:12] <Lamo> If anyone cares for future reference I installed chrome-unstable and its normal now. Here is a screenshot to show the difference. http://i.imgur.com/0rad1.jpg
[01:12] <bjsnider> crimsun, you mean if i had one of those cards i'd need a newer alsa than what is in lucid?
[01:14] <bjsnider> maybe i should just use the stupid hda chip
[01:14] <bjsnider> crap though it is
[01:16] <dooglus> Iupdated this morning, and now my boot and shutdown screens have gone all blue and KDE-ish
[01:16] <dooglus> can I put them back to the default ubuntu screens?
[01:18] <Viper1432> dooglus,  there was a mythbuntu mixup with startup/shutdown screens that is supposedly fixed.  you might want to try and update again.
[01:19] <Viper1432> finally had my first real grrr. argh kaboom with lucid.  damn mx5000 keyboard/mx1000 mouse combo with logi bluetooth quit working.
[01:19] <yofel> dooglus: if you have kubuntu-desktop installed that might have pulled in the kubuntu plymouth theme which is blue
[01:21] <virtuald> do upstart do what i want when i run init 1?
[01:25] <billybigrigger_> anyone here familiar with the iphone/ipod touch support now in rhythmbox?
[01:32] <sirninja> Whenever my laptop wakes from suspend, it logs me out and I'm back at the main login window
[01:38] <WoAnerges>  found a bug in IM of ubuntu 10.04b
 can´t estabilish connection with QQ servers
 tried many times
 through standart IM that comes with ubuntu 10.04
[01:40] <sirninja> Whenever my laptop wakes from suspend, it logs me out and I'm back at the main login window
[01:51] <DanaG> (also asked in #ubuntu-kernel: )  hmm, anyone know why the kernel-ppa stuff hasn't been updated in a while?  the only 34-rc2 kernel there says "karmic" specifically, and the same is true of the latest drm-next kernel there.
[01:51] <DanaG> Does it matter that it says "karmic", if I want to use it on Lucid?  I've seen it matter before, on ARM, at least.... try a karmic kernel with lucid userspace, it doesn't boot.
[01:52] <dooglus> yofel: I do have kubuntu-desktop installed.  and ubuntu-desktop.  I want the ubuntu lboot & shutdown screens, not kubuntu.  how?
[01:52] <Scotie> hallo, i try to disable the broadcasting address, any suggestions
[01:52] <yofel> dooglus: I'm busy right now, I'll get back to you in a few minutes
[01:53] <Scotie> changed in interfaces , but nothing changed
[01:56] <WoAnerges> abyone?
[01:58] <WoAnerges> helloanyone
[01:58] <WoAnerges>  found a bug in IM of ubuntu 10.04b
 can´t estabilish connection with QQ servers
 tried many times
 through standart IM that comes with ubuntu 10.04
[01:59] <ZykoticK9> WoAnerges, can you use Empathy to connect to different IM networks?
[01:59] <yofel> WoAnerges: please don't feel ignored, not all of us use empathy and most europeans are asleep right now
[01:59] <WoAnerges> yes
[01:59] <WoAnerges> sure
[01:59] <WoAnerges> i checked password etc
[01:59] <WoAnerges> everything fine
[01:59] <WoAnerges> itś only this IM not working
[01:59] <WoAnerges> emphaty?
[02:00] <WoAnerges> right?
[02:00] <ZykoticK9> WoAnerges, is that the IM client you are using?
[02:00] <WoAnerges> says ¨connection extabilishing problem¨ or something like that
[02:00] <WoAnerges> the standart that comes with ubuntu 10.04
[02:00] <WoAnerges> multiprotocol IM
[02:00] <Wizzup> I really have the feeling Ubuntu Software Center randomly installs software for me
[02:00] <WoAnerges> emphaty right?
[02:01] <Wizzup> Last night I randomly had xfwm4
[02:01] <Wizzup> now I have aumix
[02:01] <Wizzup> I have never even heard of aumix before
[02:01] <yofel> dooglus: ok, I'm not 100% sure how plymouth works, but you could either try to reinstall the ubuntu theme or check with galternatives what the 'default.plymouth' alternative is set to
[02:01] <ddecator_> WoAnerges: yah, empathy i the default
[02:01] <ddecator_> s/i/is
[02:02] <WoAnerges> so?
[02:02] <Wizzup> does noone else experience this?
[02:02] <Sagex> ubuntu upgrade to 10.04 failed
[02:02] <Sagex> is there any way to salvage
[02:02] <WoAnerges> please someone check this problem
[02:02] <WoAnerges> because am using QQ ^^
[02:02] <WoAnerges> lmao
[02:02] <ddecator_> WoAnerges: what is it? i just got on a sec ago (fwiw, i'm connected with empathy right now)
[02:03] <WoAnerges> you connected to QQ?
[02:03] <WoAnerges> servers
[02:03] <ddecator_> WoAnerges: nah, i'm just connected to facebook with it right now
[02:03] <WoAnerges> no!
[02:03] <WoAnerges> a QQ
[02:03] <WoAnerges> am talking about QQ
[02:04] <ddecator_> alright, then i'm not of much help
[02:04] <Wizzup> and `feh' is also randomly installed.......
[02:04] <Sagex> is there any way to salvage
[02:04] <Sagex> ubuntu upgrade to 10.04 failed
[02:04] <ZykoticK9> WoAnerges, perhaps it's due to bug #533596
[02:04] <WoAnerges> so?
[02:04] <WoAnerges> it means ¨no QQ, bye¨
[02:04] <WoAnerges> ?
[02:04] <WoAnerges> mde..
[02:04] <ZykoticK9> WoAnerges, so that bug says "can't connect to QQ's server"
[02:04] <WoAnerges> yes
[02:04] <WoAnerges> it can´t
[02:05] <Sagex> ubuntu upgrade to 10.04 failed
[02:05] <Sagex> help
[02:05] <kklimonda> Sagex: you have to give us more than that
[02:05] <WoAnerges> yesterday i upgraded 10.04 successfully
[02:05] <kklimonda> what have failed?
[02:05] <Sagex> it boots up and no login or emergency shell
[02:05] <Sagex> its pretty bad
[02:06] <anao> try boot from live-cd and make a chroot into system..
[02:06] <Sagex> may I ask how one would chroot into it
[02:06] <kklimonda> Sagex: so the upgrade didn't fail itself?
[02:07] <Sagex> no my fault
[02:07] <kklimonda> you have rebooted yourself after it finished?
[02:07] <Sagex> some key features did not install
[02:07] <Sagex> my fault totaly
[02:08] <Nandou> can someone give me the aptline for the cdrom in 10.04 beta1 ?
[02:08] <Nandou> I can't add a cdrom to it and I can install my drivers from the disk because of that
[02:10] <kklimonda> Sagex: so is it or is it not your fault? you are confusing me..
[02:10] <Sagex> its my fault
[02:10] <Sagex> I did not specify some key things to install
[02:10] <kklimonda> Sagex: but to fix it you would have to use live cd, chroot into your existing installation and finish upgrade process..
[02:10] <kklimonda> !chroot
[02:11] <kklimonda> heh, doesn't really help
[02:11] <kklimonda> Sagex: you haven't used update-manager?
[02:11] <Sagex> I did
[02:11] <dooglus> yofel: this seems to have done it, thanks: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[02:11] <Lajosward> Anyone haveing a problem useing ccms in lucid?
[02:12] <kklimonda> Sagex: so how did you not install "key things"?
[02:12] <Lajosward> Cant go past two on the workspaces
[02:12] <Lajosward> it resets to two each time
[02:12] <Sagex> some third party option wasn't clicked
[02:13] <holstein> Lajosward: i saw that
[02:13] <holstein> Lajosward: if you find a bug report, let me know
[02:13] <Lajosward> ok
[02:13] <holstein> i'll mark it as effecting me too
[02:15] <balas> i hope that ubuntu music store gets to be decent.  i'm running windows for no other reason than itunes and its really upsetting me because it makes duplicates of all my files
[02:15] <Lajosward> are they even supporting the ccsm in lucid yet?
[02:15] <kklimonda> balas: it depends on the country you live in
[02:15] <balas> kklimonda, i am in america
[02:15] <bjb1959> I know it's in beta still, but I have 2 external usb drives set up in fstab. one, my FreeAgent drive boots fine. the LeClie doesn't and lucid won't boot unless I comment out the line in fstab. They are both formated ntfs and the exact same fstab lines. any ideas why it won't work with the leclie?
[02:16] <balas> i'm using fslint to delete my duplicates then delete my empty folders, before moving everything back to windows.  itunes is a nightmare if you don't know what not to do
[02:16] <yofel> Lajosward: officially supported no, but It's available in universe
[02:17] <Lajosward> yeah was just thinking wont be able to do anything about the problem i am having with it
[02:18] <verterok> hi
[02:18] <balas> fslint is unstable at this time on lucid  it just crashed :(
[02:18] <verterok> I'm trying to upgrade karmic -> lucid, but 'do-release-upgrade -d' keeps telling: 'No new release found', is this the right place to ask?
[02:19] <Lajosward> yeah gwibbler crashes on startup for me
[02:19] <balas> verterok, if you have a seperate /home directory your best off downloading a daily build thats up to date
[02:20] <yofel> balas: actually fslint hasn't changed since karmic, maybe something else crashes it
[02:20] <verterok> balas: yes, I have. but I was trying to avoid a install from scratch :)
[02:20] <kklimonda> verterok: what does grep -i Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades say?
[02:20] <balas> yofel, could be.  it does exit when its not supposed to
[02:20] <verterok> kklimonda: lts
[02:20] <verterok> that can't be right
[02:21] <kklimonda> no it can't
[02:21] <inquata> verterok: doesn't update-manager -d work?
[02:21] <holstein> update-manager -d worked for me
[02:21] <verterok> kklimonda: changed to normal, same behavior
[02:21] <kklimonda> verterok: it's sup[posed to be normal for non-lts releases
[02:21] <verterok> inquata: no, I don't get the "Upgrade" button
[02:21] <holstein> hmm
[02:21] <verterok> yes, it worked for me in my laptop and other desktop
[02:22] <kklimonda> verterok: run DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 do-release-upgrade -d
[02:22] <verterok> k
[02:22] <verterok> kklimonda: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406277/
[02:22] <bjb1959> I have 2 external usb drives set up in fstab. one, my FreeAgent drive boots fine. the LeClie doesn't and lucid won't boot unless I comment out the line in fstab. They are both formated ntfs and the exact same fstab lines. any ideas why it won't work with the leclie?
[02:23] <balas> my c-media 8788 chipset soundcard isn't working under lucid either.  i had hoped someone else was working on its progression to working status.
[02:25] <kklimonda> verterok: what do you have in ~/.cache/update-manager-core/meta-release-lts-development
[02:25]  * verterok checks
[02:25] <balas> i believe sound quality is as little better on windows, though if i don't get this itunes issue right, my family will have an extra windows 7 license
[02:25] <verterok> kklimonda: I don't have ~/.cache/update-manager-core/
[02:26] <lfaraone> In Thunderbird 3, the application notifies me twice when an email appears in All Mail and Inbox. (I'm using Gmail IMAP) How can I prevent these duplicate alerts?
[02:26] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, i just noticed that happening today as well (i don't think it used to happen like that)
[02:26] <kklimonda> blah, it may be new for 10.04...
[02:26] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: so that's a bug, I take it?
[02:27] <verterok> kklimonda: no, it's just not using xdg in karmic :)
[02:27] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, ? don't know - i wish i could remember for sure if it previously happened (really don't think it did)
[02:27] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, i too am using Gmail IMAP BTW
[02:27] <verterok> kklimonda: I have it under ~/.update-manager-core/
[02:27] <verterok> kklimonda: but no meta-release-lts-development file
[02:28] <balas> i have being able to get audiobooks too.   that'd be nice for the ubuntu music store
[02:28] <kklimonda> verterok: and any meta-release at all?
[02:28] <verterok> kklimonda: just meta-release and meta-release-development
[02:28] <kklimonda> verterok: it may be called meta-release-development
[02:28] <verterok> kklimonda: yes, those 2
[02:28] <kklimonda> verterok: does meta-release-development have lucid entry at the bottom?
[02:29] <verterok> kklimonda: no, the last one is jaunty :/
[02:29] <kklimonda> remove both files and try running do-release-upgrade -d again
[02:30] <kklimonda> if it doesn't work then you would have to dig into code itself
[02:30] <kklimonda> or poke some update-manager developer
[02:30] <kklimonda> but they are probably asleep
[02:30] <WoAnerges> so what to do with QQ?
[02:32] <kklimonda> report it to the libpurple developers if it isn't already
[02:32] <verterok> kklimonda: some output changed, now it says: NO self.metarelease_information
[02:33] <kklimonda> i don't know code well enough to make something from it, you'll have to wait for developers
[02:34] <verterok> kklimonda: ok, I'll keep with this tomorrow.
[02:34] <verterok> kklimonda: thanks a lot!
[02:34] <crimsun> bjsnider: correct.
[02:34] <verterok> kklimonda: do you know any of the update-manager devs? who should I poke? :)
[02:34] <cozziemoto> guys just noticed gedit is not installed  or is claimed not to be installed?
[02:34] <crimsun> balas: you need linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[02:35] <crimsun> balas: make sure linux-backports-modules-alsa* are *not* installed
[02:35] <crimsun> cozziemoto: checked the existing new bug reports?
[02:35] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, i'm unable to find a bug referring to this issue in Launchpad
[02:36] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: mk. do you want to file it, or should I? (if you do, subscribe ~lfaraone or give me the bug number)
[02:36] <cozziemoto> crimsun,  well last time i had reported a bug that corruptd xml files edited with gedit
[02:36] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, would you mind filing it?
[02:36] <cozziemoto> crimsun,  is that still the same issue?
[02:36] <kklimonda> verterok: check /usr/share/doc/update-manager-core/AUTHORS
[02:37] <kklimonda> mvo is one of devs afair
[02:37] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: sure.
[02:37] <crimsun> cozziemoto: I don't know offhand and would have to look more closely, and I don't have time to do that. I'm quite busy fixing sound bugs.
[02:37] <DanaG> weird... volume control keys don't work at gdm.
[02:37] <verterok> kklimonda: great, thanks!
[02:37] <balas> crimsun, thank you so much you pretty sure thats all that is needed to get it to work ?
[02:37] <cozziemoto> crimsun,  yes I understand :)
[02:37] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, if possible after could you give the bug # so i can "me too"
[02:37] <thak> Is it expected that the Update Manager just removed Gwibber and the new social features?
[02:37] <crimsun> balas: no, I'm not *certain* that's all that's necessary, but you can't expect us to fix it if you're not running *at least* that.
[02:38] <DanaG> oh, and there's no splash screen for me on my system... it just goes immediately to details view.
[02:38] <balas> crimsun, no problem :)
[02:38] <crimsun> alternately, get me local access to one, and I'll fix it.
[02:38] <thak> I am also wondering why parted and udisks shows up in update-manger greyed out... if anyone has any suggestions
[02:39] <balas> i actually didn't think anyone could fix it :)
[02:39] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: bug 436789 looks similar :)
[02:40] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, it seems to be happening with all email for me, not just filtered ones
[02:40] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, certainly similar though yes - and not one i saw in my search either
[02:42] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, when the notification pops up - the first entry seems to have both the title as well as some of the body, yet the 2nd entry only has the title.  Is that the same for you?
[02:43] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: not sure.
[02:43] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: the reason it happens for us AFAICT is since TB checks All Mail as well as Inbox. Disabling alerts for All Mail (if possib.) should fix the problem
[02:45] <ZykoticK9> lfaraone, that sounds logical
[02:45] <lfaraone> ZykoticK9: that's what they pay me for :)
[02:54] <EdgEy> Hello
[02:55] <EdgEy> I'm having a problem with update manager, it's refusing to update normally and asking me to do a partial upgrade
[02:55] <EdgEy> If I do that, it wants to remove rhythmbox for some reason
[02:56] <EdgEy> aptitude / apt-get upgrades work fine
[02:56] <kklimonda> just wait until it's possible to upgrade without removing anything
[02:56] <ZykoticK9> EdgEy, it's due to the Gnome updating - personally i'm waiting to see if it self corrects in a day or so (someone earlier in the channel warned of strange updates because of it)
[02:56] <EdgEy> Ah, okay
[02:56] <ZykoticK9> EdgEy, it was kklimonda who gave the warning ;)
[02:57] <EdgEy> The first time I just clicked through all the points and wondered where the hell it disappeared to (rhythmbox)
[02:57] <EdgEy> Heh
[02:57] <EdgEy> prompts*
[02:57] <marenostrum> I didn't install Lucid yet. To use in a bug report can some of you whose default browser is Firefox and also has Google Chrome installed on Lucid run the command <sensible-browser> and tell me which browser opens?
[02:58] <ZykoticK9> marenostrum, Chromium is my default browser but "sensible-browser" opens Google Chrome
[02:58] <marenostrum> hmm, thanks.
[02:59] <TecnoBrat> mine opened epiphany
[02:59] <marenostrum> thank you as well.
[02:59] <TecnoBrat> but this machine has been upgraded from every distro since 8.04
[03:00] <TecnoBrat> so .. it could be some remnant setting
[03:00] <marenostrum> TecnoBrat: Not important, your info still very useful
[03:01] <TecnoBrat> And I assume you are talking about the "Preferred Applications" setting, which is indeed set to Firefox
[03:02] <marenostrum> TecnoBrat: Complicated issue: bug 204858
[03:02] <marenostrum> Thanks a lot dear friends.
[03:04] <TecnoBrat> oh I see
[03:10] <tiki> okay, I dunno if its the right channel, but here goes: When i sync banshee with my Nexus One, it converts FLAC songs to another format before transferring. My phone has a custom rom on it and supports flac. Is there any way to stop the conversion?
[03:10] <coz_> tiki,  I dont think I have experience with that one sorry  I am sure someone else does
[03:11] <tiki> coz_ but it should be the same with any device...
[03:12] <coz_> tiki,  that makes sense to me  and there is likely a way to stop the conversion  ... however if no on here can answer you could try ##Linux channel  for a more overall pot of info
[03:19] <ZykoticK9> EdgEy, try your update again
[03:20] <ZykoticK9> EdgEy, ops sorry never mind
[03:23] <kprav33n> I am running 10.04 beta 1. When I login from GDM, sometimes my desktop just freezes without loading gnome-panel. I have to restart gdm from the console (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and try again.
[03:23] <kprav33n> Does anyone else see this problem?
[03:23] <kprav33n> I suspect that NetworkManager is doing something wrong.
[03:31] <randomusr> hi all, I've recently updated my Lucid machine by setting update manager to download automatically and wrote a new xorg.conf
[03:31] <randomusr> not my system freezes on grub. What might the problem be?
[03:33] <randomusr> anyone?
[03:38] <Zenker> does anyone know the formats ubuntu will allow for background images
[03:42] <randomusr> Does anyone know why Grub might hang after updates?
[03:44] <almoxarife> randomusr: I have had grub2 issues with wubi
[03:44] <basix> is it out yet?! =)
[03:45] <randomusr> almoxorife, not using wubi
[03:45] <randomusr> stright install of lucid and Grub seems to have broke after updates or changes made to xorg.conf not sure just yet
[03:46] <randomusr> would be nice to know how to get my system bootable again
[03:48] <almoxarife> randomusr: can you re-install grub with the alternate cd?
[03:50] <randomusr> almoxarife, I don't believe that will fix the issue
[03:53] <Lars_G> hey all
[03:54] <Lars_G> Question, anybody else has a black screen on boot with .32 kernels? only the older .31 kernels work ok for me
[03:54] <linuxuser5152> has anybody had the partitioner freeze in Kubuntu 10.04 at 47%. i think it says it's detecting disks or something like that.
[03:55] <Lars_G> Using a netbook here
[03:55] <holstein> Lars_G: EEE
[03:55] <holstein> intel?
[03:55]  * holstein gets a black screen after resuming from standby
[03:56] <Lars_G> holstein: Packard bell (rebranded acer afaik), intel chipset and video, yes
[03:56] <Maletor> If I use ubiquity to install and I install onto a LVM that is looking for a RAID assembly, will my computer be able to boot (find the filesystem and mount it)?
[03:56] <Lars_G> Some people it seems are reporting acpi problems
[03:56] <Lars_G> which wouldn't be odd since power management has been bad since 9.10 kernels
[03:57] <Lars_G> I'll try to boot .32 with acpi=off to see if it works
[03:57] <holstein> Lars_G: i guess you could force vesa
[03:58] <holstein> see if its a graphics issue for sure
[03:58] <Lars_G> not a bad idea either
[03:59] <Lars_G> I hope it's solved, :D i suffered thorough .31's power problems... I wonder if it works here...
[03:59] <Lars_G> let me try... brb
[03:59] <Lars_G> nvm, I'm running on .31 right now
[03:59] <Lars_G> You know
[04:00] <Lars_G> it's always kinda a sad day when my distro version goes stable....
[04:00] <Lars_G> :/
[04:00] <nave> hi folks, i'm having a problem with my keyboard not working under gdm, running lucid with vmware workstation. is this a known issue?
[04:06] <Maletor> If I use ubiquity to install and I install onto a LVM that is looking for a RAID assembly, will my computer be able to boot (find the filesystem and mount it)?
[04:08] <nick125> You'll probably need /boot on a separate FS
[04:11] <timClicks> nick125: seperate FS or partition?
[04:15] <un214> FS = partition!
[04:16] <lb1> have some trouble with booting after upgrade
[04:16] <un214>  /boot cannot be on a LVM
[04:16] <lb1> basically it seems to never process net-device-up IFACE=lo
[04:16] <MTughan> un214: Well, not quite. You can have an unformatted partition. :P
[04:16] <lb1> initctl emit net-device-up IFACE=lo LOGICAL=lo ADDRFAM=inet METHOD=loopback is executed
[04:16] <lb1> but upstream --verbose and upstream --debug don't show anything related to it
[04:16] <un214> MTughan: and LILO can boot from it
[04:17] <lb1> and rc-system does not start
[04:21] <nightsjammies> Hurro all.
[04:23] <randomusr> has anyone else experienced grub freezing at boot after updates  or changing xorg.conf, if so what is the fix?
[04:29] <randomusr> If I'm staring at grub menu list and won't go past that. What are my options to fix this?
[04:34] <arand> randomusr: common fix is to boot a liveCD and reinstall/reconfigure grub
[04:34] <etzerd> can anyone help me here with Firefox?
[04:34] <randomusr> arand: does that generally work>
[04:35] <etzerd> Firefox doesn't load, I remove it and reinstalled it again same think never load.
[04:35] <etzerd> any idea? anyone
[04:35] <randomusr> arand: if so what's the command to accomplish this?
[04:35] <holstein> etzerd: what about your .mozilla dir?
[04:35] <etzerd> holstein: what about it?
[04:36] <holstein> did you try letting FF generate a new one?
[04:36] <arand> randomusr: tends to in my experience, from a liveCD run grub-install with appropriate --root-directory and mbr drive
[04:36] <arand> etzerd: try firefox -P  create a new profile, and see if that works better?
[04:36] <etzerd> I believe since I uninstalled it and reinstalled again it should generated automaticlly
[04:37] <etzerd> arand: at the prompt just type firefox ip?
[04:37] <randomusr> hmm, does it matter which cd I use? maybe the one with the version I installed?
[04:37] <etzerd> I mean firefox -p
[04:38] <etzerd> arand: when i type firefox -p, it display this error: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin.pure
[04:40] <arand> etzerd: Ah, I've heard about that error before I think, no idea of sultion though, unfortunately
[04:40] <etzerd> ok, thanks
[04:40] <etzerd> I think I have to reinstall all over again.
[04:41] <Maletor> nick125: i have boot on a separate FS
[04:43] <Maletor> timClicks: I have boot on a separate FS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/SoftwareRaid
[04:44] <timClicks> interesting, I know nothing about how to implement RAID
[04:45] <Maletor> RAID is imperative for a file server.
[04:47] <Maletor> Ubuntu 10.4 has an artifact of a raid in :///computer
[04:48] <Maletor> cat /proc/mdstat is empty but there is something there that says Array ... makes no sense
[04:55] <gartral> quick question about ubuntu 10.04: how will it handle mobos with multiple NICs?
[04:58] <nick125> It should handle them just fine....
[04:58] <nick125> Is there a specific mobo you were having issues with?
[05:00] <gartral> nick125: well 9.10 doesnt handle my evga p55 FTW
[05:01] <Serpher> I was wondering if I install the beta, and simply use updates instead of installing it via an .iso of the non-beta build, will this put me at any sort of disadvantage?
[05:01] <nick125> Serpher: Not to my knowledge.
[05:01] <Serpher> Thanks, will download and install now I guess
[05:02] <nick125> gartral: Hmm. Do you know what ethernet chipset that board uses?
[05:03] <gartral> i boot and it sets up both nics, but they're in conflict on the network
[05:03] <nick125> gartral: Do you have both setup to the same network?
[05:05] <gartral> yes.. thats why they're in conflict, i know that.. i know i could bond them, but WHY does the end user need to do that on an OS that "just works" im quite sure MOST users wouldnt even think to disable one interface to get online
[05:05] <nick125> Most users won't have dual NICs, and most users that have dual NICs will hook both ports up.
[05:06] <nick125> Bonding is also quite hardware and network dependent.
[05:09] <nick125> Bonding depends on the types of NICs, whether the switch supports bonding, etc.
[05:10] <nick125> And I don't think that many people would use it. If they know what it is and want to use it, they're probably smart enough to set it up.
[05:11] <MTughan> Bonding is where the OS can use both NICs in a computer for communication, possibly doubling throughput?
[05:11] <nick125> MTughan: Yes.
[05:11] <randomusr> I've booted to a live cd and want to ensure i'm in the root of my hard drive. How Can I do this?
[05:12] <gartral>  nick125 look at the trend of p55 h55/57 and x58 mobos 80% of those HAVE dual NICs with the selling point of: "Multiple nics reduces lag" ok, that's not directly true, but it does double the amount of concurrent connections a client/host can hold open
[05:13] <MTughan> I have dual NICs on my P45 board, but they're gigabit. Since they're hooked up to a gigabit switch that only has a gigabit link up to the router, bonding won't get me any more speed.
[05:13]  * DanaG wonders: how many Intel boards actually use the Intel MAC, instead of some crappy realtek or such?
[05:14] <nhasian> randomusr, well the terminal command 'sudo fdisk -l' will display all of your hard disks
[05:14] <DanaG> or: sudo blkid
[05:14] <MTughan> DanaG: Mine are both made by Marvell.
[05:15] <gartral> MTughan: perhaps your missing my point.. both my NICs are connected to the same router, they arent bonded and when i boot.. i have *NO* internet connection (at least in linux, in windows, all the way back too 2000.. it sees, and balances over, BOTH nics)
[05:15] <DanaG> oh yeah, and some alternate firmware (dd-wrt, at least, and perhaps even "tomato") can do bonding.
[05:15] <DanaG> gartral: try with one NIC disconnected.
[05:15] <DanaG> If still no network, then that's not a dual-nic-specific issue.
[05:15] <MTughan> gartral: My comment wasn't responding to yours.
[05:15] <gartral> DanaG: i KNOW that will work..
[05:15] <DanaG> hmm.
[05:15] <AlcariTheMad> i just tried doing an update and at some point the system froze, upon reboot my system is ignoring all input except magic sysreq keys
[05:16] <nick125> Most users won't benefit from multiple NICs. Especially considering that multiple NICs requires either certain NICs whose drivers support bonding, or switches with bonding capabilities. Anything other than that would be, at best, round-robin load balancing.
[05:16] <gartral> i have one disabled now.. what i want to know is the hell is everyone so against setting up a way for the OS.. at installation time.. to recognise and configure itself for a dual connection-to-same-rouuter setup
[05:17] <AlcariTheMad> the last thing it says when booting in recovery mode is '/dev/sda5: clean, <num files/blocks>' and it stops there, with tty1 and tty7 existing, but none in between
[05:17] <Maletor> Bootloader install failed. This is a fatal error.
[05:17] <randomusr> nhasian, cd into /dev/sda1 says it's not a directory
[05:17] <nhasian> i'm using lucid 64bit with all the latest updates.  I noticed HAL is still installed.  I thought I didnt need it anymore?
[05:18] <nhasian> randomusr, does it have a filesystem?  is it mounted?
[05:18] <rww> nhasian: It's still used by pitivi, which is now installed by default.
[05:18] <nick125> You can't cd into a device node. You need to mount the directory firt.
[05:18] <randomusr> it has a filesystem and I believe it's mounted
[05:18] <nick125> *first
[05:18] <randomusr> hmm
[05:19] <nick125> randomusr: run "mount" and see what it says is mounted
[05:19] <nick125> It should show something like.."/dev/sdaX on /media/blah type blah"
[05:20] <gartral> nick125: then please, take a moment and thing about this: in windows (for sake of argument Vista) boots and sees two network connections to one router and configures itself for that environment.. in game ping with two network cards does drop. in my case to 20 MS or below.. if i disable ONE nic that number doubles or even triples.. in linux, i *HAVE* to disable that one card, and i see a similar result to the one from disableing the one nic in window
[05:20] <gartral> s/thing/think
[05:20] <nick125> gartral: That makes little sense. Bonding would ADD more latency, due to overhead.
[05:21] <randomusr> nick125, it appears that It's not mounted which doesn't make sense as I can find the filesystem under places
[05:21] <nhasian> rww, wow they made such a big stink about depreciating hal and now we're stuck with it in the default install.
[05:21] <nick125> randomusr: It might mount when you click on it under places.
[05:21] <gartral> nick125: then how does windows setup multiple NICs, cause i sure as hell have a noticable difference..
[05:22] <rww> nhasian: indeed
[05:23] <gartral> it's also becoming a PITA to disable a network interface on boot when my firewall is setup to send some stuff to one ip, and other stuff to another
[05:23] <randomusr> nick125, i think it's mounted per the mount command
[05:23] <randomusr> it has /dev/sda1
[05:24] <DanaG> gartral: it's more likely just a driver difference, not a multi-nic performance difference.
[05:24] <DanaG> I have a netbook with a Realtek wifi chip that works fine in Windows, yet gets horrible speeds in Linux with the native driver.
[05:24] <DanaG> I had to install ndiswrapper to get sane network performance.
[05:24] <gartral> DanaG: did you not see where i said "if i disable one NIC in windows, i see the same performance as in linux"?
[05:24] <DanaG> er, sorry, I did miss that.
[05:25] <gartral> it wasn't quite phrased that way, but that's what i meant
[05:25] <DanaG> hmm, the lack of connection with two NICs is a bug, for sure.
[05:25] <DanaG> Probably a broken routing table, or something -- just a wild guess.
[05:25] <nick125> DanaG: It has to do with the routing table having two default routes
[05:25] <nick125> and probably two routes to the same subnet over different interfaces
[05:26] <gartral> DanaG: is not at ALL a lack, i can ping from one to the other.. but i ccant get the outside world, both work, and are communicating with DHCP, but i have to disable one to get online with irc/firefox/pidgin or whatever im using that requires internet
[05:27] <DanaG> Weird.
[05:27] <DanaG> Majorly weird.
[05:27] <DanaG> I've had my laptop connected to same network via wifi and wired, and never had the same sort of issues.
[05:27] <DanaG> However, I now have changed my BIOS settings so that plugging in ethernet rfkills the wifi.
[05:27] <randomusr> how can I cd into the root of /dev/sda1 and it is mounted?
[05:27] <randomusr> mind you I'm on the live cd
[05:27] <gartral> and it isnt just ubuntu.. it's linux, cause it's like that with Fedora/Redhat (i know, sinful to mention them here) and BackTrack live
[05:28] <nick125> Network Manager probably sets up different routing metrics for ethernet connections versus wireless ones.
[05:28] <DanaG> ah.
[05:28] <nick125> randomusr: What did mount say? cd into the second directory listed
[05:28] <DanaG> Something I've found Windows can't handle, but Linux can:
[05:28] <nick125> (the guess about NM's behavior is just a guess....)
[05:29] <gartral> randomusr: you should be able to cd into it's mounted dir.. you didnt try and bind /dev/sda1 WITH /dev/sda1 as the target, did you?
[05:29] <DanaG> With the ethernet-kills-wifi feature enabled, and my router set to give the same IP to both MAC addresses... Linux works fine.
[05:29] <DanaG> Windows refuses to give IP address "x" to a network card when another card already has that address... even if the previous card is "media disconnected".
[05:29] <randomusr> gartral, no, not sure how to do that
[05:29] <DanaG> And yet, trying to release the IP... gives "can't do that -- media disconnected".
[05:30] <gartral> randomusr: it's not a good thing to do
[05:30] <randomusr> ok
[05:30] <randomusr> confusing
[05:31] <gartral> well, my issue has been stated in full, thankyo DanaG and nick125 for listening, i hope this becomes a well document problem and fixed before the next release
[05:31] <gartral> \j #linux
[05:31] <gartral> woops
[05:31] <DanaG> Check the bugtracker -- look for an existing similar bug report.
[05:31] <DanaG> And if one doesn't exist, you can file one.
[05:32] <nick125> Yeah, I'd put in a feature request or something. See if they'll add some kind of feature to gracefully handle situations where two routes to the same subnet exist.
[05:32] <randomusr> nick125, could you look at http://pastebin.org/128323
[05:32] <Andre_Gondim> is there any workaround about ubuntu one?
[05:32] <randomusr> that's the output of mount
[05:32] <nick125> randomusr: okay, cd into /media/2a97bf40-d31c-4bbf-b3a5-9059690547c3
[05:32] <randomusr> ok
[05:34] <randomusr> nick125, now I'm told I want to do grub-install as grub comes up with the menu list but freezes. there are a number of kernels
[05:34] <randomusr> but I can't choose any
[05:35] <randomusr> this occured after updates had run automatically, and I wrote a new xorg.conf with nvidia-settings
[05:35] <randomusr> should I run grub-install?
[05:36] <nick125> randomusr: Are we talking about grub legacy or grub2?
[05:36] <randomusr> ooh, good point... whatever comes on the 10.04 64bit cd
[05:36] <randomusr> hmm
[05:37] <nick125> randomusr: Well, your install...was it a fresh install in either Karmic or Lucid?
[05:37] <randomusr> it says Grub 0.97 on the menu/splash screen that comes up when attempting to boot
[05:37] <nick125> 1.97?
[05:37] <randomusr> it was a fresh install
[05:37] <randomusr> oops, 1.97 yea
[05:37] <nick125> okay, that's grub2
[05:37] <IdleOne> randomusr: that is correct
[05:38] <nick125> randomusr: Try...
[05:38] <randomusr> grub-install?
[05:38] <nick125> grub-install /dev/sda
[05:39] <randomusr> ok here gooes
[05:39] <nick125> If that doesn't work, then we'll try something else.
[05:41] <randomusr> cannot find a device for /boot/grub
[05:41] <randomusr> autodetection of filesystem failed
[05:42] <randomusr> we're certain I don't want grub-install /dev/sda1?
[05:42] <nick125> You could try that
[05:43] <randomusr> same diff, can't find a device for /boot/grub, yet I can see the directory in the filesystem hierarchy
[05:44] <nick125> Okay...let's try something else then.
[05:45] <nick125> sudo chroot /media/2a97bf40-d31c-4bbf-b3a5-9059690547c3
[05:45] <nick125> source /etc/profile
[05:45] <nick125> grub-install /dev/sda
[05:46] <randomusr> same thing
[05:47] <randomusr> cannot find a device for /boot/grub
[05:47] <randomusr> nick125, should I pastebin the error?
[05:47] <DanaG> oh wait...
[05:47] <DanaG> dod you bind-mount /dev and /sys and such?
[05:48] <nick125> DanaG: That was going to be my next idea.
[05:48] <randomusr> nope
[05:48] <DanaG> sudo mount -t rbind /dev /media/2a97bf40-d31c-4bbf-b3a5-9059690547c3/dev
[05:48] <DanaG> rbind is recursive bind, so it'll get /dev/pts
[05:48] <nick125> exit
[05:48] <nick125> then do what DanaG said
[05:49] <randomusr> do I need to chroot to the cd filesystem prior?
[05:49] <nick125> randomusr: You want to type `exit` (without the quotes) so that you're not in the chroot
[05:50] <DanaG> yeah, the mount command must be done from outside.
[05:50] <randomusr> now I'm just in that directory, but not in chroot
[05:50] <randomusr> I'll try now
[05:51] <randomusr> unknown filesystem type rbind
[05:51] <nick125> okay, just -t bind then
[05:51] <ddecator_> while we're talking about chroot...anyone know how to give chroot access to an encrypted /home folder? (just trying to build 32-bit packages on a 64-bit system, not recover a system)
[05:52] <nick125> mount -t bind /dev/ /media/<blah>/dev
[05:52] <nick125> ddecator_: bind mount
[05:52] <randomusr> same
[05:52] <nick125> oh, try..
[05:53] <nick125> mount -o bind /dev/ /media/<blah>/dev
[05:53] <ddecator_> nick125: what command do i use to do that? i don't want to screw it up =p
[05:53] <nick125> ddecator_: mount -o bind <source> <target>
[05:55] <nick125> e.g., mount -o bind /home/ddecator/packages/ /mnt/chroot/packages/
[05:55] <ddecator_> nick125: so mount -o bind /home /var/chroot/lucid/home ?
[05:55] <nick125> that should work too, but I'd be careful about binding the entire /home directory.
[05:55] <randomusr> nick125, mount -o bind /dev /blah/dev works
[05:55] <ddecator_> or i could just do the one folder i suppose =p
[05:55] <DanaG> randomusr: maybe it's not -t rbind, but rather -o rbind
[05:55] <randomusr> now chroot?
[05:55] <nick125> randomusr: Great. Now run sudo chroot /media/blah/blah
[05:55] <DanaG> ah.
[05:55] <ddecator_> that'd clean up my /home folder too...
[05:55] <nick125> er
[05:55] <ddecator_> nick125: thanks!
[05:55] <nick125> chroot /media/blah
[05:56] <nick125> er, sudo chroot /media/blah
[05:56] <nick125> source /etc/profile
[05:56] <nick125> then try running grub-install without any arguments
[05:56] <randomusr> ok, does it matter that I did -o bind as opposed to -o rbind?
[05:57] <nick125> randomusr: shouldn't.
[05:57] <randomusr> ok
[05:57] <DanaG> nope, about the only thing different between bind and rbind, with /dev/, is that you' get "error writing log -- can't open PT"
[05:57] <randomusr> nick125, grub-install wants arguments.... should it be /dev/sda?
[05:58] <nick125> randomusr: /dev/sda should do
[05:59] <randomusr> done... now reboot and pray to god?
[05:59] <nick125> randomusr: Did it work?
[05:59] <randomusr> with a zero returned
[05:59] <nick125> If it exited without error, try it.
[05:59] <nick125> okay
[06:00] <randomusr> it didn't print zero of course
[06:00] <randomusr> ok
[06:00] <randomusr> cross my fingers and hope this works
[06:01] <randomusr> this will be so awesome if it just works
[06:01] <nick125> It would be.
[06:01] <ddecator_> nick125: worked, thanks =)
[06:01] <nick125> ddecator_: Awesome.
[06:02] <randomusr> hmm, 3 different kernels, can't boot
[06:02] <randomusr> can't even select different kernels or memtest
[06:03] <randomusr> is it possible to run a recovery mode from the cd?
[06:03] <nick125> randomusr: What's happening that it "can't boot?"
[06:04] <randomusr> GNU GRUB version 1.97~beta4
[06:04] <randomusr> Lists items to boot, but I can't choose anything with the arrows and "Enter" does nothing
[06:05] <randomusr> should I just toss the computer out a window?
[06:06] <nomadz__> the monitor sees the options avail, but the keyboard does not work?
[06:09] <nick125> randomusr: does the 'e' key work?
[06:09] <nomadz__> randomusr: if the monitor sees the 3 kernels i would not give up on it
[06:09] <randomusr> nick125, apparently grub 1.97 beta is broken....
[06:09] <randomusr> negatory
[06:10] <nick125> Hmm. This is interesting.
[06:11] <bullgard> Do I need to install the DEB program package 'module-assistant' in order to be able to use HDAPS on an IBM Thinkpad T42?
[06:14] <nick125> randomusr: Was this working in the past?
[06:15] <randomusr> yes
[06:15] <nick125> randomusr: What changed between when it was working and now?
[06:15] <randomusr> rebooting and everything. in ubuntu+1 they're telling me it's known to break
[06:16] <randomusr> I chose to autoupdate without prompting for authentication and wrote the nvidia-settings to a new xorg.conf
[06:16] <randomusr> both about the same time, and that's when grub quit working
[06:16] <randomusr> Update manager prompted a reboot if I recall
[06:16] <nick125> nvidia-settings shouldn't affect grub.
[06:17] <nick125> randomusr: I'd go and reboot back into the livecd.
[06:17] <randomusr> working on it
[06:18] <randomusr> they told me to repair the corrupted mbr? wtf
[06:18] <randomusr> excuse my language
[06:18] <nick125> randomusr: Well, if the MBR was corrupt, the grub-install command should've fixed it.
[06:18] <randomusr> I know right
[06:22] <nick125> We'll try an update-grub and see if that helps any.
[06:23] <randomusr> back to the live cd
[06:23] <nick125> Okay. Check mount and see if /dev/sda1 is mounted.
[06:24] <randomusr> done
[06:24] <randomusr> cd /media/blah?
[06:24] <nick125> Okay, we're going to chroot again. sudo mount -o bind /dev/ /media/blah/dev/ then sudo chroot /media/blah
[06:25] <mwhudson> i'm getting a lot of segfaults in lucid today
[06:25] <mwhudson> (mostly inside of libc it seems)
[06:26] <randomusr> nick125, done
[06:26] <nick125> randomusr: Okay, run update-grub
[06:26] <nomadz__> mwhudson: me too, just found then sense you brought it up
[06:27] <mwhudson> wow and now x is on the blink
[06:27] <randomusr> update-grub
[06:27] <mwhudson> i hope my laptop isn't dying :/
[06:27] <nick125> randomusr: Also, do me a favor. pastebin the output of 'tail -n2 /var/log/apt/history.log'
[06:27] <nick125> randomusr: wrong window ;)
[06:27] <randomusr> lol
[06:27] <randomusr> I was giving a play-by-play
[06:28] <randomusr> it said cannot find list of partitions! at the end
[06:28] <nick125> actually, sorry. 'tail -n4 /var/log/apt/history.log' (without quotes, as usual)
[06:28] <randomusr> I'm chatting from my laptop btw, the system in question is desktop
[06:28] <randomusr> huh?
[06:28] <nick125> run that command and pastebin the output
[06:29] <nomadz__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[06:29] <randomusr> no such file or directory
[06:30] <nick125> randomusr: Are you in the chroot?
[06:30] <randomusr> yes... how about term.log
[06:30] <randomusr> /var/log/apt/term.log?
[06:30] <xsacha> can someone explain why ubuntu lucid takes forever to load google.com if it is my home page?
[06:31] <randomusr> there's no history.log
[06:31] <xsacha> whereas if i try to go to another site, say wikipedia or yahoo.. it jumps to it instantly? i have a computer next to me without ubuntu that loads google instantly as it should
[06:31] <nick125> randomusr: What other files do you have in /var/log/apt?
[06:32] <randomusr> term.log.1.gz
[06:32] <randomusr> that's it
[06:32] <xsacha> does it have anything to do with ubuntu now using yahoo as default search engine?
[06:33] <nick125> randomusr: okay, go ahead and pastebin a few hundred lines of /var/log/apt/term.log
[06:33] <bbordwell> xsacha, nope my homepage is google.com and it loads instantly
[06:33] <randomusr> lmfao
[06:33] <randomusr> ok then
[06:33] <nick125> randomusr: I'm wondering what package you might've updated that would have caused this kind of breakage.
[06:35] <nomadz__> xsacha: you added something to firefox?
[06:35] <xsacha> bbordwell, any idea why this happens? it seems to be only google. also.. once google loads (takes almost a minute) every google page after this loads instantly
[06:35] <xsacha> i havent changed anything except update in synaptic
[06:36] <xsacha> but if i go somewhere else first instead, that page will load instantly
[06:36] <randomusr> nick125 it's 128355
[06:36] <randomusr> this should be good....
[06:36] <bbordwell> xsacha, I doubt it since all other sites are working correctly, but have you tried changing your dns server to opendns?
[06:37] <xsacha> how do i do this?
[06:37] <bbordwell> https://store.opendns.com/setup/operatingsystem/ubuntu
[06:39] <randomusr> yawn
[06:40] <nick125> randomusr: Can you pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[06:40] <xsacha> i dont really have to reboot right?
[06:41] <xsacha> i will anyway, brb
[06:41] <bbordwell> yes you do
[06:41] <bbordwell> lol he is gone..
[06:41] <randomusr> 128358
[06:41] <qwertyjustin> hey, my usb stick is read only. what command is best to give it read write permissions? Sudo chmod or something??
[06:42] <nomadz__> qwertyjustin: is it locked?
[06:43] <qwertyjustin> i can mount and open the drive, and access the content in there
[06:43] <qwertyjustin> but unable to delete for eg
[06:43] <qwertyjustin> or copy
[06:43] <nomadz__> qwertyjustin: is it locked?
[06:43] <qwertyjustin> im unaware of that parameter, locked
[06:43] <bbordwell> qwertyjustin, you could open nautilus as root and then you should be able to mount it
[06:43] <bbordwell> for an easy GUI route
[06:44] <randomusr> nick125, I'm beginning to wonder if it's a problem with the menu list maybe
[06:44] <bullgard> 'Passwords and Encryption Keys' > Other Keys > Validity lists 3 values: 'Full', 'Unknown', and 'Revoked'. Are there more?
[06:44] <DanaG> Just re-figured-out why my plymouth doesn't work: plymouth REFUSES to give a splash on local console if ANY serial console is present!
[06:44] <nick125> randomusr: Look at the stuff beginning at line 113
[06:44] <DanaG> I thought they'd fixed that!
[06:44] <nomadz__> qwertyjustin: some usb sticks have a physical lock, i have one
[06:44] <DanaG> It just goes straight to loading details.so!
[06:45] <qwertyjustin> oh no, no physical lock on this one
[06:45] <qwertyjustin> so, the best gui way to give it write perms..
[06:45] <bullgard> DanaG: What does the phrase "It just goes straight to..." mean? (My native language is not English.)
[06:46] <qwertyjustin> "Error removing file: Read-only file system"
[06:46] <randomusr> nick125, I see it, but I don't follow
[06:46] <DanaG> What I mean is, I added "plymouth:debug" to grub kernel options... and the debug spew tells me that it doesn't try to load the ubuntu theme.
[06:46] <DanaG> It just loads details.so.  Doesn't even TRY to show the splash.
[06:46] <DanaG> "details.so" being the raw text-mode (a.k.a. do-nothing) plugin.
[06:47] <nick125> randomusr: Let's just try something. I know it says not to edit it, but go ahead and open up /boot/grub/grub.cfg and delete from ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ### to ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[06:47] <randomusr> hmmm ok
[06:47] <nomadz__> i have tossed plymouth, when the powers that be get it all nice and fixed then i may return it,  i enjoy the text scroll
[06:48] <qwertyjustin> anyway way to give the usb still write perms in gui?
[06:48] <randomusr> nick125, there are several of those blocks
[06:49] <DanaG> yeah, plymouth==phail.
[06:49] <bbordwell> qwertyjustin, If you open nautilus as root "sudo nautilus" you should be able to do pretty much anything to the flash drive
[06:49] <DanaG> !gksu
[06:49] <nomadz__> qwertyjustin: in nautilus as root change the permission for the drive to wide open, that an option?
[06:49] <nick125> randomusr: IT's the second-to-the-last block
[06:49] <bbordwell> lol the bot is smarter than me....
[06:50] <bbordwell> did not know that
[06:50] <xsacha> ok i rebooted and my internet did not work at all with opendns!
[06:50] <qwertyjustin> i have attempted this infact. but no luck. i attempt to change all the options to give me a read right ability, but it continues to say that it is a read only filesystem
[06:50] <xsacha> it was just sitting there 'loading' no matter what page i tried.. so i removed opendns and rebooted again
[06:50]  * nomadz__ found a plugin for nautilus , gksu , now its just a click away
[06:50] <xsacha> and now google loads instantly.. hows that work?
[06:50] <randomusr> nick125, then save exit and reboot?
[06:51] <nick125> randomusr: yeah
[06:51] <bbordwell> xsacha, haha who knows....a restart is always good though
[06:51] <randomusr> damn, it won't let me save.... trying to save on read only disk
[06:52] <nick125> randomusr: That's really weird.
[06:52] <nomadz__> nick125: unless he is looking at the cd image
[06:52] <nick125> nomadz__: He should be in the chroot
[06:53] <erghezi> i have problem with nvidia driver
[06:53] <bbordwell> does anyone know how to tell rhythmbox to stop watching a folder?
[06:53] <bbordwell> erghezi, what is it?
[06:53] <erghezi> i install it from hardware drivers
[06:54] <nomadz__> bbordwell: i told it by un-installing it and installing vlc instead
[06:54] <bbordwell> nomadz__, I love rhythmbox.....
[06:54] <randomusr> nick125, Could I try giving myself write permissions?
[06:54] <erghezi> bbordwell: ubuntu tell me , cant find nvidiamodule
[06:54] <nick125> randomusr: Open up another terminal and run mount and see what it says on the /dev/sda1 on blah line
[06:54] <ddecator_> bbigras: preferences > music > uncheck "watch my library" ?
[06:55] <ddecator_> oops
[06:55] <ddecator_> bbordwell: ^^
[06:55] <randomusr> yea, and it says it's rw too
[06:56] <bullgard> Do I need to install the DEB program package 'module-assistant' in order to be able to use HDAPS on an IBM Thinkpad T42?
[06:56] <nick125> randomusr: Hmm. Are you sure that you're in the chroot?
[06:57] <bbordwell> ddecator, currently it has multiple locations set to monitor. I want it to watch one of them but remove the others
[06:57] <randomusr> believe so
[06:57] <bbordwell> if i did that no folders would be monitored
[06:58] <nick125> randomusr: If you cd into /home, your home dirs are there, right?
[06:58] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, did you happen to install the nvidia driver from Nvidia's site?
[06:58] <randomusr> yes
[06:58] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: no , i get error from it
[06:59] <randomusr> maybe I missed something going into chroot
[06:59] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, and you used System / Admin / Hardware Drivers
[06:59] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: i install from it!
[06:59] <DanaG> another thing that's a pain with plymouth: there's no log of those debug messages!
[06:59] <randomusr> nick125, how can I undo the bind
[07:00] <randomusr> then I'll try it with rbind
[07:00] <DanaG> you unbind by unmounting the target.
[07:00] <randomusr> sudo umount /blah
[07:00] <randomusr> ??
[07:00] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: when i open nvidia-settings, iget this error: You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[07:01] <bbordwell> does anyone know how well digital cameras are supported in ubuntu?
[07:01] <nomadz__> bullgard: see this , not sure if it fits your needs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/57315/comments/28
[07:01] <DanaG> blah being /media/UUID_replace_withreal_thing/dev/
[07:01] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, which would suggest you are using nouveau or another driver
[07:02] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: official driver
[07:02] <bbordwell> erghezi, what happens if you type "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current?
[07:03] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, in a terminal "lspci -vnvn" and find you Nvidia card section - there will be a line KERNEL DRIVER in USE (or similar) what does it say?
[07:03] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: nvidia-current is already the newest version.
[07:03] <randomusr> sudo mount -o rbind /dev /media/blah/realthing/dev
[07:03] <randomusr> does that work?
[07:05] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: http://pastebin.com/ctisXX8P
[07:05] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: dmesg |tail
[07:06] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, what's the output of "lspci | grep -i vga"
[07:06] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] (rev a2)
[07:06] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, did you update from Karmic?  Did you add any nvidia PPA to your system?
[07:07] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: i install it new
[07:07] <randomusr> damn it's still read only
[07:07] <bullgard> nomadz__: Thank you very much for your help.
[07:07] <ZykoticK9> erghezi, then i have no idea what's wrong then sorry - best of luck man
[07:09] <nomadz__> bullgard: no sweat
[07:09] <randomusr> nick125 or DanaG, can I somehow take ownership of the file to save to it?
[07:09]  * bbordwell wonders if bullgard understand the expression no sweat
[07:10] <randomusr> maybe a chmod?
[07:11] <randomusr> or can I authenticate as the su on the root of that filesystem?
[07:12] <bullgard> bbordwell: I do not know the phrase "no sweat". I conclude from the situation at hand that nomadz__ meant a milder  form of the phrase: "with pleasure".
[07:12] <nick125> randomusr: what does whoami say?
[07:12] <randomusr> lmfao.... "root"
[07:13] <erghezi> afte sync my music, i cant see them in ipod
[07:13] <nick125> randomusr: Hm.
[07:13] <randomusr> anyway to save the edited file?
[07:13] <erghezi> and my bookmark and history firefox are disabled
[07:14] <bbordwell> bullgard, yep thats about right.
[07:14] <nick125> randomusr: I have no idea why it would be saying that the file is read only
[07:14] <nick125> randomusr: What a second. You're running Lucid, right? And a recently updated version, too, right?
[07:14] <randomusr> should I check the permissions?
[07:14] <randomusr> yes
[07:15] <erghezi> ZykoticK9: i think so, there is conflict with nouvea driver
[07:15] <nick125> randomusr: That is really weird.
[07:16] <nick125> randomusr: Note the kernel version in your grub config. That's pretty old in Lucid land.
[07:16] <randomusr> root permission is r--
[07:16] <randomusr> yup
[07:16] <ibnulislam> I have successfully upgrade my lappy from karmic to lucid and no issue, Should I try a clean installation on my office desktop? Both have almost the same chipset.
[07:17] <bbordwell> ibnulislam, if the office desktop is need for work i would wiat
[07:17] <nick125> randomusr: Open up a new console and open /media/<blah>/boot/grub/grub.cfg and see if it's the same.
[07:17] <bbordwell> wait*
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> ibnulislam, using BETA software on your office (thus production) computer probably isn't a wise idea
[07:18] <randomusr> nick125, what would be the 3 digit to change permissions to rw-r--r--
[07:18] <normanclegg> ibnulislam  not without a backup and not without a need.
[07:18] <nick125> randomusr: 644
[07:18] <ibnulislam> bbordwell ZykoticK9:  :(
[07:19] <bbordwell> ibnulislam, system breakages on beta are likely
[07:19] <nick125> ibnulislam: If you were to happen to break your office desktop, could you survive? It sounds that since you're doing a clean install, you don't care much about the data on there....worse case scenario, you could always install Karmic.
[07:19] <Maletor> Does the amd64-alternate-install only allow install from CD. It reaches a fatal error when I tell it not to look for CD drivers.
[07:19] <nick125> Maletor: It probably needs the CD drivers to be able to load the installer from the CD.
[07:20] <randomusr> same.
[07:20] <Maletor> It's on USB.
[07:20] <randomusr> time for me go to bed
[07:20] <Maletor> Sorry forgot to mention.
[07:20] <randomusr> night sir and thanks for trying
[07:21] <Maletor> nick125.
[07:22] <Maletor> Why can't Ubuntu alternate figure out that I don't need CD drivers. They need me...
[07:34] <rww> Maletor: Which program did you use to put it on a USB stick?
[07:35] <Maletor> UNETBOOTIN.
[07:35] <rww> figured
[07:35] <Maletor> I was just reading how I should be using the USB creator found on the live cd.
[07:35] <rww> unetbootin + debian-installer images (including Ubuntu alternate) = horrible breakage
[07:35] <Maletor> unetbootin from an iso i downloaded myself
[07:35] <Maletor> = ?
[07:36] <Maletor> So what's the solution. Get another flash drive and boot that?
[07:36] <Maletor> That's ridiculous
[07:36] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/338455
[07:37] <Maletor> Word.
[07:37] <rww> comment #10, in particular
[07:37] <hifi> Maletor: you can also dd the netinstall disk image to your thumb drive
[07:38] <hifi> if you just need a quick install
[07:38] <rww> oh, hmm, I think I'm thinking of a different bug
[07:39] <hifi> or the hdmedia image and drop the .iso into the filesystem
[07:39] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrom-detect/+bug/234185 , perhaps
[07:40] <rww> but yeah, hifi's two options are what I'd go with, rather than having unetbootin deal with it
[08:01] <r3c0n> hi
[08:03] <fatbrain> hi, running pulseaudio on jack, where can I find/configure the startup arguments for jackd?
[08:04] <Blue11> fatbrain: man I played with that like 18 months ago --
[08:04] <fatbrain> ... please continue :)
[08:05] <Blue11> fatbrain: i ran into a smiliar problem - I couldn't find away to configure it, so I abanoned it.
[08:05] <fatbrain> *doh* :)
[08:06] <Blue11> fatbrain: pulseaudio is really unstable here - I have to jiggle to digital speaker volume (not analogue) between songs to get it to work
[08:07] <Blue11> fatbrain: what was your reason for trying jackd, I am curious?
[08:07] <fatbrain> ardour
[08:07] <Blue11> no clue
[08:07] <Blue11> what that is
[08:07] <fatbrain> http://ardour.org/
[08:08] <Blue11> yeah that's why more than anything I'd ever do.  I can't even get the sound recorder to work
[08:09] <topyli> ooh stable gnome dripping in
[08:10] <Blue11> new kernel today must reboot bbiab
[08:10] <fatbrain> have fun
[08:11] <Blue11> sheesh more updates.
[08:11] <willvarfar> somehow the latest auto-update on 10's beta has installed mythbuntu and that became the artwork on the startup/shutdown and also the default desktop; it completely threw me, it took a while for me to get back into my ubuntu; what's going on, why is this happening?
[08:11] <Blue11> willvarfar: did that happen after today's update?
[08:12] <willvarfar> yes
[08:13] <Blue11> ahh I'll let you know when this d/l finishes
[08:13] <willvarfar> yesterday there was a broken package, and I think it was mythbuntu theme, I remember seeing the myth name and not recognising it
[08:13] <willvarfar> Blue11: the first thing is to see if the shutdown artwork has changed....
[08:14] <Blue11> willvarfar: I;ll know when I reboot.
[08:14] <willvarfar> mine came back with an ugly login box and then put me in mythbuntu which is an empty desktop with nothing to do - power button worked, and next time in I selected 'gnome' from the desktop choice on the login
[08:15] <Blue11> thanks for the warning...
[08:16] <Blue11> what is the big deal about lucid not using usplash and plymouth instead
[08:17] <Blue11> okay so we save some context switches that might look better, but in the end, is it going to save me any time off booting that I will notice?
[08:20] <Han> If my mouse cursor gets near to the top of the screen it disappears. ati videocard
[08:20] <Blue11> uh oh, I have an ati vid card, doing updates now
[08:21] <Blue11> this is what I have:  01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[08:21] <Blue11> okay rebooting
[08:23] <willvarfar> generally wondering: are ubuntu updates diffs?
[08:25] <Blue11> nothing has broke - yet
[08:25] <rww> willvarfar: no
[08:26] <willvarfar> Blue11, no mythbuntu?
[08:26] <Blue11> no
[08:26] <Blue11> booted right into gnome -
[08:27] <willvarfar> I figured that it can't be a mainstream problem, else how would nobody else be complaining?
[08:27] <normanclegg> Can anyone be referred to this channel ?
[08:27] <Blue11> normanclegg: afaik, yea
[08:27] <willvarfar> or perhaps all those users are who have somehow got mythbuntu are right now trying to work out how to get out of that empty desktop..
[08:27] <rww> normanclegg: #ubuntu+1 is for discussion and support with Lucid/10.04. If someone wants to talk about that, then sure. It's not secret or anything.
[08:28] <normanclegg> beta or alpha buntu
[08:28] <normanclegg> right ?
[08:28] <willvarfar> so... anyone know how what the mythbuntu packages are called so I can get rid of it?
[08:28] <rww> normanclegg: any stage of the development version. This channel opens up once the toolchain is updated at the start of the release cycle, before the alphas are out.
[08:28] <Blue11> willvarfar: no idea they aren't here
[08:29] <normanclegg> rww cool
[08:29] <Han> willvarfar, dpkg -l |grep myth
[08:30] <willvarfar> in synaptic I search for "myth" and there ar ea few things listed - archive, browser, export, gallery etc - but none are instlaled
[08:30] <normanclegg> in 10.04 removing mythbuntu packages should be simple.
[08:30] <Blue11> normanclegg: nothing installed here
[08:32] <normanclegg> Blue11  what is not installed there ?
[08:32] <willvarfar> AHA!  can't find it in synaptic, but I can find it on the ubuntu software centre - apparently I have the mythbuntu-default-settings and mythbuntu-gdm-theme installed
[08:33] <Blue11> normanclegg: myth whatever
[08:33] <willvarfar> so a) curious those aren't listed in synaptic, b) that I have them installed at all - never a conscious choice
[08:33] <normanclegg> it sure as heck should be plainly labeled
[08:33] <mvo> willvarfar: did you use the quick search in synaptic? it is sometimes not 100% accurate unfortunately
[08:33] <mvo> that is on the fix list for 10.04
[08:34] <normanclegg> installing and uninstalling should be complete
[08:35] <normanclegg> Comcast
[08:35] <willvarfar> mvo, that was it; quick search for 'myth' shows only a few things, add a 'b' so you search for 'mythb' and suddenly they all appear
[08:37] <mvo> sorry for that, there is a fix pending in a branch I think
[08:40] <willvarfar> you shouldn't apologise to me, I should thank you :)
[08:51] <whitman> I've just upgraded karmic to lucid beta1 running in a virtualbox vm.  Whenever I start the vm and login the network connection attempts to get an IP from dhcp but fails.  If I disable and then re-enabling networking the connection comes up instantly.  Known issue?
[08:56] <fatbrain> whitman: probably ;P
[08:56] <zzz__> I'm still unclear as to when or how updates should be applied to 10.04 Beta. I've not seen any update notifications since installing it, and am now aware I should not allow partial upgrades, but without doing anything at all, the existing bugs remain and the system cannot be used. Opening "System", "Admin", "Update Manager" I see 188 updates selected and available, requiring 126.6 MB be...
[08:56] <zzz__> ...downloaded. Looking at each individually, some descriptions raise my curiosity that they may be related to resolving one of the bugs I've encountered. How do those who are knowledgeable proceed?
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rning
[09:00] <Bittarman> zzz__, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[09:01] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, morning
[09:01] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, would you know what libgcrypt is doing resuming every time I boot?
[09:02] <Bittarman> instead of the new plymouth spash, I get to stare at resuming: libgcrypt 1.4 until boot is complete
[09:02] <zzz__> Bittarman: Is that the proper way to maintain the Beta up to date and safe enough that it can be run multiple times per day?
[09:03] <Bittarman> zzz__, I don't know about proper, but its  pretty safe most of the time
[09:03] <willvarfar> zzz__, I found that when I went to 10.04 mysteriously my auto-update was not checked anymore, and I had to go to the settings and check it again
[09:03] <Bittarman> worst that happened to me is x got knocked out for a few hours (updated and upgraded again and it was fixed)
[09:03] <zzz__> Bittarman: Okay, I'll
[09:03] <Bittarman> and that was in alpha
[09:05] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: checking for encripted filesystem
[09:05] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, well, Im not using one... how do I stop it?
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> you don't
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> it has to CHECK for it
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> just like it checks for a mouse or a keyb
[09:06] <Bittarman> ah. I see
[09:06] <Bittarman> so everyone will have this with lucid?
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> zzz__: you don't have any popup from update manager since karmic!!!
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> what have u been doing so far!??
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: I already saw that in karmic!
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> but I never run splashs
[09:07] <BUGabundo_remote> maybe you did, and never saw it
[09:08] <Bittarman> yeah, but I have plymouth installed, and its "not working" because of it
[09:08] <Bittarman> it seems to stop plymouth throwing up the splash
[09:08] <Damascene> what is the problem with screen saver? I should unlock it twice to work
[09:09] <Bittarman> occasionally I see a flicker of plymouth before the gnome login comes up.. but thats it
[09:09] <[diablo]> morning all...
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: GPU and driver?
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> hello [diablo]
[09:10] <[diablo]> guys, anyone encounter issues with grub on a clean 10.04 install please? I am getting recovery unable to read C/H/S
[09:10] <[diablo]> moin moin BUGabundo_remote
[09:11] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, amd mobile X2 (can't remember specifics, laptops back at home)
[09:11] <Bittarman> oh.. gpu not cpu..
[09:11] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[09:11] <Bittarman> its an nvidia 7xxx mobility with nvidia-current
[09:13] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: About 2 weeks ago I upgraded to 10.04 Beta, and was running the Update Manager to apply any updates it displayed. I also used synaptic to add 5 apps that disappeared and were installed on my working system, and doing so gave me access to my NAS drives again. A few days later after running the Update Manager and allowing a partial upgrade, my NAS access was lost and the...
[09:13] <zzz__> ...original problem returned. Since then I've done a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and have been waiting for notice that updates were available, but have seen no notice.
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: yeah that explains it
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> zzz__: here is a tip for you: DON'T EVER RUN parcial updates UNLESS you know what you are doing!
[09:14] <[diablo]> mucho mucho updates... brb
[09:14] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, is there an open bug?
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> again, dist-upgrade can be very destructiv
[09:14] <Hew> any reports of eth0 disappearing with recent updates?
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> Bittarman: probably a TON of them
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> Hew: archive NM? or ppa?
[09:15] <Bittarman> BUGabundo_remote, ill look again tonight. thanks
[09:15] <Hew> just lucid archive
[09:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Hew: 1st one I saw. will keep an eye for it
[09:15] <Hew> it's probably something on my end if there haven't been reports, just wanted to check
[09:15] <Hew> thanks
[09:16] <BUGabundo_remote> Hew: someone has to be the 1st
[09:16] <BUGabundo_remote> I know end up being one of them many many times
[09:17] <zzz__> Bittarman: The command you recommended is now displaying a message. "185 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 11 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 133MB of archives. After unpacking 17.4MB will be used."  Do you want to continue?  [ Y/n/? ]
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> others, I'm the last, and have no idea what ppl are talking about
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> zzz__: Y
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> or just enter
[09:17] <BUGabundo_remote> in CLI options, the Case letter is default, if you press enter
[09:19] <rww> zzz__: Which packages does it want to remove?
[09:19] <Bittarman> rww, it would be trying to move packages which have been deprecated
[09:19] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: Did so and files are now downloading. This is my first time using a Beta, and I'm learning many new things.
[09:19] <rww> Bittarman: oh, safe-upgrade. gotcha.
[09:20] <Bittarman> :D
[09:20] <zzz__> rww: It did not name the packages, only indicated that there are 11.
[09:20] <Bittarman> zzz__, i wouldn't worry too much, it will be some stuff which has been superceeded or is superflous
[09:22] <zzz__> Bittarman: Hopefully the problem accessing NAS drives will be cleared soon, that's the most important to me.
[09:22] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: as long as it is safe, don't see a prob with it removing
[09:23] <BUGabundo_remote> full-upgrade or dist-upgrade or Partial Updates  OTOH I do rethink it
[09:24] <BUGabundo_remote> zzz__: is that access via SMB? if so, it's a know bug
[09:27] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: I think so, all I really know is how to bring up the drives from Home Folder, Go, Network pn each of the computers on my network so all can have access to the files.
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> zzz__: look it up in LP. maybe there's a work around there. I'm not subbed to that bug
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> https://launchpad.net/bugs/462169
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> humm not that
[09:30] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/532024
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> err not that one either
[09:31] <BUGabundo_remote> bad google bot
[09:32] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: I've noticed Keyring, and GVS go by, which have been mentioned in the bug reports I've been following and posting to. I think it was 369194.
[09:37] <Damascene> what is the problem with screen saver? I should unlock it twice to work
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 369194
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> Damascene: gnome-keyring
[09:40] <Damascene> so is it a known bug?
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> it was fixed
[09:40] <BUGabundo_remote> so some other regression
[09:45] <Aondo> gvfsd seems to do some cpu work for both smb and over sftp lately :D
[09:48] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: Well, it's not fixed. gvfsd-smb-browse still takes CPU to 100%, canceling the request, and ending the process returns CPU usage to normal, and Unable to mount location msg appears.
[09:57] <zzz__> BUGabundo: I noticed the kernel didn't show the one just installed and did a reboot, and now I can access one NAS drive fully, but the other one only allows me to display the folders available on the drive and takes CPU to 100% if I try to open any of them.
[09:59] <sobersabre> hi
[09:59] <sobersabre> what's the preferred app to write audio CDs in Lucid now ?
[09:59] <sobersabre> how do I do this ?
[10:00] <Torrentow_> BashBurn?
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> Torrentow_: ahah
[10:11] <Torrentow_> <3 bash
[10:12] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: do you know where can i add a damn foirgot the word :(
[10:13] <sobersabre> Torrentow_: I prefer something GUIy for my wife.
[10:14] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: add what to where?
[10:14] <coz_> sobersabre,  I use gnomebaker myself
[10:14] <Torrentow_> i am masohist linux user
[10:14] <gnomefreak> i cant recall what it is called but the picture while gnome loads
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: plymouth
[10:15] <gnomefreak> its too damn early
[10:15] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: now plymouth is before gnome loading
[10:15]  * BUGabundo_remote hands gnomefreak a bunch of pills, a glass of water, and a strong cup of coffee
[10:15] <coz_> :)
[10:15] <BUGabundo_remote> GDM ?
[10:15] <sobersabre> coz_: I remember there were several projects and I don't know what's their status.
[10:15]  * BUGabundo_remote waves at coz_
[10:16] <coz_> :)
[10:16] <sobersabre> so, yiou say baker is still alive.
[10:16] <coz_> sobersabre,  well I have always used gnomebaker with no problems   brasero I have had issues with
[10:16] <coz_> sobersabre,  I use it all the time
[10:16] <sobersabre> coz_: thanks
[10:17] <coz_> sobersabre,  no problem... let me know if it doesnt work for you... I may have to test it again :(
[10:17] <gnomefreak> while booting system you have grub -> plytmouth ->login screen -> gnome loading -> while gnome loading you can set a photo once gnome is done loading it gos away
[10:17] <sobersabre> coz_: I usually do not have any problems operating software.
[10:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: ^^
[10:17] <coz_> sobersabre,  cool :)
[10:18] <Busata> cool, here it's grub > plymouth attempt -> ascii logo -> gnome loaded !
[10:18] <Busata> :(
[10:18] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: I see bios, grub, TTY, flickr of plymouth, my gnome-terminal and desktop :D
[10:19] <sobersabre> coz_: preparing a nice trip CD (Bach's Orgelwerks if you ask)
[10:19] <coz_> sobersabre,  love bach :)
[10:19] <sobersabre> like a friend of mine says "I love any music"
[10:20] <sobersabre> "as long as it's been written by Bach".
[10:20] <coz_> :)
[10:21] <sobersabre> hm. baker died after I added several FLAC files.
[10:21] <sobersabre> take #2
[10:21] <coz_> sobersabre,  ooooo
[10:22] <coz_> sobersabre,  I better test this later then
[10:22] <coz_> sobersabre,  brasero is installed by default  ...have you tried that also?
[10:28] <st4aluck> Still don't know what to do with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:28] <aboSamoor> Hi, can I find an email notifier that integrates well with messaging menu on LL ?
[10:29] <coz_> sobersabre,  working now?
[10:32] <geser> aboSamoor: for which mail reader?
[10:33] <aboSamoor> geser: gmail
[10:33] <st4aluck> Still don't know what to do with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[10:35] <geser> aboSamoor: have you tried mail-notification? I use it for my local mbox (I read mail with mutt) but it also has gmail support (never used) but I get OSD notifications when new mail arrives
[10:36] <aboSamoor> geser: does it work with the messaging menu ?
[10:37] <geser> I guess that part is missing :(
[10:38] <aboSamoor> geser: the messaging menu is a great idea in my opinion, but I can not understand how till now there is no notifier that take use of it
[10:38] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: I have one
[10:38] <BUGabundo_remote> sec
[10:39] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: gm-notify
[10:39] <BUGabundo_remote> it integrates pretty weel
[10:39] <BUGabundo_remote> *well
[10:40] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I tried it and even patched the latest version, it is buggy by the one. It lacks also changing the messaging menu icon.
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> there's a ppa for it
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> really?
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> mine lights up
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> and shows the emails in there
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm using code.lp trunk
[10:40] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I am using 0.9 and it was built for 9.04.
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> speaking of it, I need to update my local branch
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[10:41] <BUGabundo_remote>  /gm-notify$ bzr pull
[10:41] <BUGabundo_remote> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gm-notify-maintainers/gm-notify/trunk/
[10:41] <BUGabundo_remote> Now on revision 42.
[10:42] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I could not reach that PPA from the lanuchpad page that is weird
[10:42] <BUGabundo_remote> sudo ./setup.py install
[10:42] <BUGabundo_remote> and done :P
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> sec
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> ill get you the proper bzr command
[10:44] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I checked out
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gm-notify-maintainers/gm-notify/trunk
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> bzr branch lp:gm-notify
[10:44] <Take0n> Hello guys. I recently (two days ago) installed ubuntu lucid and want to ask you how to get python interpreter back in the menu. In 9.04 and 9.10 I have it under Programming but in lucid it's not there
[10:44] <Take0n> had it*
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: just run $ bzr branch lp:gm-notify
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> then install It
[10:44] <Take0n> I could just make a shortcut but I am not sure if I am missing something that's why I wanted to ask you
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> remember to update it from time to time with bzr pull
[10:46] <Busata> any reason why they're removing packages, or is it all part of the gnome 2.29-30 plan?
[10:46] <Busata> I had to reinstall empathy, totem & now rhytmbox seems missing
[10:47] <BUGabundo_remote> Busata: you must have done some dist upgrade that removed a non-built yet depency
[10:47] <Busata> aha
[10:47] <BUGabundo_remote> Busata: reinstall ubuntu-destkop
[10:47] <Busata> thanks
[10:49] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: where can I find good sound for notification ? \
[10:49] <Bittarman> aboSamoor, google "mute.wav" :P
[10:49] <Bittarman> or "null.wav"
[10:52] <Take0n> anything about my question?
[10:54] <Bittarman> Take0n, System->Preferences->Main Menu
[10:55] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: AFAIK there's none
[10:55] <Take0n> Bittarman: I am there I know how to add the shortcut (gnome-terminal -e python) but I am asking cause I am not sure if I miss something and therefore don't have the shortcut by default
[10:56] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: http://paste.ubuntu.com/406434/
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: RTFM
[10:57] <BUGabundo_remote> you are missing depencies
[10:57] <Bittarman> Take0n, only problem could be that the package was uninstalled
[10:58] <Take0n> I am sure I didn't uninstall it..
[10:58] <Take0n> it wasn't there from the beginning
[10:58] <Take0n> what package would that be?
[10:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Take0n: I'm certain it aint there ... ever even
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> Programing menu is not a default Ubuntu, or even GNOME for that maner
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> its a Debian one
[11:00] <Take0n> hm.. so what should I do to get it back? I had it in karmic and I know I didn't create it myself.. is there a package or something I installed to get it? I don't remember
[11:03] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I solved the twisted dependency, any hints where I can find the gtalk module http://paste.ubuntu.com/406436/ ;)
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> gtalk!?!? there's no gtalk for linux :S
[11:09] <BUGabundo_remote> I think you are launching the wrong app
[11:10] <BUGabundo_remote> let me check
[11:10] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: try $ gm-notify-config.py
[11:11] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remoteits called a splash screen i cant a way to change it anymore
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> oh and it plays sounds too
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> aboSamoor: I can reproduce. it seems breakage in the latest trunk! please file a bug with them, and sub me to it
[11:12] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: saved me the explanation :), working on it ...
[11:31] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: I think i found the problem, the installation script is not copying the gtalk module.
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> okay
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> file a bug then
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> or submit a merge request
[11:50] <Ian_Corne> ?
[11:52] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: !
[11:52] <Ian_Corne> Hmm, what's that ? doing here
[11:52] <BUGabundo_remote> cat on the keyb?
[11:53] <BUGabundo_remote> as long that's not your password, we are fine
[11:53] <Ian_Corne> hardly, at uni now
[11:53] <BUGabundo_remote> it aint the password, rigth?
[11:53] <Ian_Corne> sure!
[11:53] <BUGabundo_remote> :)
[11:55] <bazhang> !controls
[11:56] <robotti^> Hi!
[11:57] <robotti^> somebody else running ubuntu on virtual box?
[11:58] <zzz__> BUGabundo_remote: I just spent a huge amount of time going through the bug reports on LP and it looks like bug 530605 is the one I should be watching most closely.
[11:59] <BUGabundo_remote> ok zzz__
[11:59] <BUGabundo_remote> good for you . and thanks for letting us know
[12:00] <BUGabundo_remote> crimsun: Pici: can one of you guys please update topic?
[12:03] <kklimonda> about?
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> kklimonda: gvfs-mount bug
[12:09] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: it's a long standing issue in lucid
[12:09] <kklimonda> BUGabundo_remote: and more applications are affected :/
[12:10] <kklimonda> (the problem is in gnome-keyring)
[12:10] <om26er> Damascene, here
[12:10] <Damascene> ok
[12:11] <om26er> Damascene, I dont use urdu, never tried it either
[12:11] <Damascene> I thoght you are from country that people there use, urdu. sorry
[12:12] <om26er> Damascene, urdu is our language but I dont use it as system language
[12:13] <Damascene> om26er, it will help the rtl languages comunity to have some one in bug control
[12:13] <Damascene> could you use it so you can help your own comunity?
[12:13] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo_remote: any idea what is the default checking interval of the notifier, I got inbox(0) while gmai has one unread message !
[12:14] <om26er> Damascene, let me install it
[12:14] <Damascene> thanks
[12:14] <Damascene> tell me when you done please
[12:19] <om26er> Damascene, installed, I think I have to login again to see the change
[12:22] <kushalone> what kind of error messages should I expect in 10.04 after the computer resets due to an overloaded power supply?
[12:22] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/504165
[12:22] <om26er> Damascene, its like things have turned upside down for me ;)
[12:22] <Damascene> :)
[12:25] <om26er> Damascene, need to login again as I did not change text input to rtl
[12:29] <Damascene> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 evolution
[12:29] <Damascene> with your language code should be enough
[12:29] <Damascene> I use ar_SA
[12:32] <Damascene> any luck with the bug?
[12:33] <nooga> hi, when i close my laptop, lucid logs me out
[12:33] <nooga> i mean, when i close the creen
[12:33] <nooga> screen
[12:36] <om26er> Damascene, I cannot reproduce this. I am using evolution 2.29.92
[12:36] <om26er> Damascene, can you try with evolution 2.29.92?
[12:37] <om26er> Damascene, use this ppa ppa:francesco-marella/unstable-evolution
[12:38] <Damascene> so it's a known bug that get fixed?
[12:39] <om26er> Damascene, I dont know about that but development releases have many fixes
[12:39] <om26er> Damascene, and also lucid will be coming with 2.28.x :(
[12:40] <Damascene> :(
[12:40] <om26er> Damascene, can should try the ppa and see if it works fine for you
[12:41] <Damascene> ok I'll try as soon as possible
[12:41] <om26er> Damascene, great :)
[12:42] <Damascene> om26er, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/545459
[12:42] <Damascene> there is another bug
[12:42] <Damascene> and I think even more. I'll test the unstable and see
[12:47] <Ian_Corne> gah, plymouth still broken :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> glad i disabled it.
[12:57] <kklimonda> any idea what does blue backgrund for files in ls output mean?
[12:57] <kklimonda> background*
[13:00] <penguin42> don't think I've ever seen that
[13:00] <Random832> kklimonda; hardlink or directory with +t and no +w set
[13:02] <kklimonda> hmm, makes sens
[13:02] <alex_mayorga> what's the package to bug against if the brightness controls on my laptop don't work?
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> kklimonda:  do ls -l and look and see -  is how i do it. :)
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> ls is so colorfull :)
[13:06] <Dr_Willis> alex_mayorga:  apci perhaps, or check the bug reports for other 'brightness controls' bugs and see who they filed them against
[13:06] <Ian_Corne> How should I report bugs for non ubuntu packages which are in the ubuntu repo's?
[13:07] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Like what?
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> chromium-browser
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> http://www.chromium.org/for-testers/bug-reporting-guidelines
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> I guess here
[13:08] <penguin42> chromium is in universe now isn't it? (but I'm running ppa)
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> !info chromium
[13:09] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Have you tried html5 video in youtube with chromium?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> actually chromium is a game. :)
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> !info chromium-browser
[13:09] <kushalone> apport is so ridiculously obnoxious. Why does it assume that I want to submit a bug report for something that already has multiple duplicate bug reports on file?
[13:10] <patdk-wk> why wouldn't you want to make a duplicate bug report? :)
[13:11] <kushalone> because it is rude and just wastes everyone's time
[13:11] <kushalone> oh, didn't see that smiley
[13:11] <penguin42> kushalone: It isn't intelligent enough to know whats a dupe and what isn't
[13:12]  * patdk-wk sends kushalone on a vacation
[13:12] <kushalone> haha. I wish. Conference at 12.30
[13:12]  * patdk-wk keeps waiting for firefox to close
[13:12] <patdk-wk> using 6gigs of ram now :(
[13:12] <kushalone> penguin42: I guess that is a bug in apport then
[13:13] <penguin42> kushalone: When you invent a mechanism for auto understanding bugs then that's pretty smart!
[13:13] <Ian_Corne> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=39826
[13:14] <patdk-wk> how about just leave it how it is, and when you select an already created bug, it just adds you to the, affects also, list :)
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: i'll try it now
[13:14] <Ian_Corne> but last times i saw, it just ended up loading forever
[13:14] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yeh that's what I see, but if you click the pop-out button it then works
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> trying again now
[13:15] <alex_mayorga> Dr_Willis: Thanks
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> isn't that because they encode it when requested?
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: the popout is flash :p
[13:15] <badp> Hello, I have a problem. For some reason, starting today, at some point my trackpad stopped working when I'm logged in.
[13:15] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Haha, hadn't realised that!
[13:15] <badp> The trackpad works just fine at the login screen
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> badp:  as a test. try making a new user. see if it works for the newly made user
[13:16] <kushalone> I think I am inclined to not submit bug reports that seem to duplicate existing bugs. If you were running an AMD Athlon XP 2400+, would you count the bug as the same as an existing bug affecting AMD 64? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/243295
[13:17] <penguin42> kushalone: That depends if the backtraces match
[13:17] <kushalone> well, the bug was for 8.04 :/
[13:18] <penguin42> kushalone: Then I'd file the bug
[13:18] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: but it's the same in firefox
[13:18] <Ian_Corne> I'm guessing it's because they don't support h264
[13:18] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: If ff and chromium don't support it what the hell does?
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> well
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> safari
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> and IE9
[13:19] <kushalone> penguin42: how do I know if it is a security vulnerability?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> ive herad theres some legalish issues with h264 - but i dident read the whole articals :)
[13:19] <penguin42> kushalone: You don't; you tick that if you know or suspect it is
[13:19] <Ian_Corne> idd
[13:20] <kushalone> well, if it affects xorg, I'd say it is pretty major.
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> it's got to do with patents
[13:20] <Ian_Corne> altho I don't know how valid those are here in Europe
[13:20] <penguin42> yeh, in many ways the problem is worse than flash
[13:21] <badp> Dr_Willis: I tried using the Guest account. It worked in there
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> badp:  that imples its some user setting you need to reset/clear/change.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> Which would of been my guess since gdm worked and not the user.
[13:22] <kushalone> Let us take this for instance: "Your gdm log files may help developers diagnose the bug, but may contain sensitive information.  Do you want to include these logs in your bug report?" What is a noob supposed to do?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> and ive no idea what one. :)
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> kushalone:  say no.
[13:22] <badp> okay. Will you believe me when i say I didn't change anything? :)
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> badp:  move ALL your setting/dirs to some subdir.. and log back in. and see if it works
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> your users old default settings may be goofing up wth some updates - its hard to tell
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> ive had lots of issues when keeping /home/ and gnome/kde version changes/settings causing issues
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> not near as bad as it was a year+ ago. but still it happens
[13:25] <Ian_Corne> Anyone know of a chromium channel on freenode?
[13:25] <badp> #chromium ?
[13:25] <kushalone> penguin42: looks like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/458230 matches my case best
[13:25] <Bittarman> #weownyoursoul @Ian_Corne
[13:26] <Bittarman> :P
[13:26] <kushalone> That bug is about intel chipset and I am running nvidia though :/
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> OT: are google talk servers unavailable for anyone else?
[13:27] <Oxymoron> I have a problem, my computer starts to fast with Lucid ... how do I solve it? :D
[13:27] <Bittarman> Oxymoron, install windows
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: put a slower disk
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> its a known bug
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> we are trying hard to fix it, but as you know lucids are very fast
[13:28] <kushalone> very funny Oxymoron. I will mail you my old hard disk. Lucid is no match against over 500 bad sectors
[13:28] <Oxymoron> Bittarman, BUGabundo_remote: Hahahaha :D Yeah, could be a good solution xD Nah but seriously, ureadahead is to slow and screen is black with the "_"-marker to long to that plymouth only shows like 2 seconds
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: nvidia right?
[13:29] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: Yes?
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> yeah, known
[13:29] <Oxymoron> I would like to have plymouth directly in like 5+ seconds and not black screen. Windows start their video preloader directly
[13:30] <Oxymoron> Hopefully KDE bootstrap process will go a lot faster as well in their nextcoming releases :) Maybe desktop loaded under 10 seconds this year <3
[13:30] <badp> I would like to have plymouth display anything at all :P
[13:30] <kushalone> I wish error reporting was more transparent to the end user by default.
[13:30] <badp> but for some reason my terminal is completely messed up
[13:31] <badp> currently characters are exactly one pixel large <.<
[13:31] <Oxymoron> badp: For me plymouth didnt start because splash not added to kernel boot and fstab had one "faulty" trying to load usb drivers ...
[13:31] <Oxymoron> kushalone: Is it possible to mail hard disks? :O
[13:32] <kushalone> Oxymoron: the latency is high but the throughput is excellent
[13:32] <badp> I do have splash in the boot options
[13:32] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: Btw, have you heard anything about having video output errors on nvidia cards? My multimedia players show a transparent window intead of video output, which mean I see the background fron the window undenreath xD
[13:32] <badp> actually I might want to remove it.
[13:33] <Oxymoron> kushalone: Sorry my english isnt that good in IT terms, re-phrase please? :P
[13:34] <Oxymoron> badp: Test to highlight your kernel in grub, press "e" button and then remove quiet splash and replace with --debug to debug boot process ;)
[13:34] <badp> if it's anything like booting in rescue mode then it'll work
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: compiz on ?
[13:34] <kushalone> it will take a long time for the packets of data to arrive but if you bit per second overall looks good. check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet
[13:35] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: No removed compiz completly, it though solved the problem that window decorations didnt show up ...
[13:35] <badp> rather, what happens when I remove the vga parameter from the kernel string?
[13:36] <Oxymoron> kushalone: Hahaha, alright :D Seem to be a little to complex for my geek attributes to understand ....
[13:37] <badp> I guess there's only one way to know!
[13:37] <Oxymoron> badp: I tried rescue mode myself before but my system wouldnt boot anyway :P But, test around with changing boot command in grub, because it will be restored to previous value later on, so just reboot and try different things
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> badp:  i would think it would use text mode. and disabl3 the framebuffer modes
[13:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, after reboot everyhting is back to normal, firefox only using 100megs of ram :)
[13:38] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: I tried to bug test togehter with bjspider, yofel and intuitive* something yesterday and I couldnt solve it. The only thing that made it work was to remove xorg.conf completly
[13:39] <bjsnider> nvidia-xconfig probably created a bad xorg.conf, which wouldn't surprise me
[13:39] <bjsnider> that command should be avoided
[13:39] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: Btw, sometimes when I turn off my computer the graphic card fan goes really fast and boost the sound decibel really high. It happens when plymouth goes into "reboot mode"
[13:39] <bjsnider> use jockey to create your xorg.conf
[13:40] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: How do I use jockey to create my xorg-conf then?
[13:40] <patdk-wk> I always make mine by hand
[13:40] <bjsnider> it does so automatically when you select a driver
[13:41] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Alright, I guess I just remove xorg.conf ones again, inactivate nvidia-current in jockey and re-activate it. MAYBE could work
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> chromium-browser: Installed: 5.0.312.0~svn20100201r37680-0ubuntu1~ucd1~karmic
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> seems like there hasn't been any update?
[13:45] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: How do I rescan system after proprietary drivers in jockey? It said it couldnt find anything after I removed and reinstalled nvidia-current and doesnt rescan?
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> relog
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> It the same when you don' thave a net connection, and you let is search
[13:46] <Ian_Corne> it will keep that in memory and not search again
[13:46] <Oxymoron> hey guys btw, whats the command in temrinal to add apt source?
[13:47] <jpds> Oxymoron: add-apt-repository
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> no
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> he said source
[13:47] <Ian_Corne> right?
[13:48] <Oxymoron> Ian_Corne: Uhm not sure ... :D Tell me both :D
[13:48] <Oxymoron> jpds: add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental for instance?
[13:48] <jpds> Ian_Corne: He really meant: sauce.
[13:49] <jpds> Oxymoron: Yes.
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> aha
[13:49] <Oxymoron> jpds: Alright thanks :) Do you know why it isnt like apt-addsource ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental? :P
[13:49] <Ian_Corne> well, that's settled then!
[13:50] <jpds> Oxymoron: It's just the name of the script?
[13:50] <Oxymoron> jpds: Yeah, but would be great if I typed apt-get or something like it and get the manual :P
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> add-apt-thing-that-could-break-your-system
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:51] <Oxymoron> apt-add source ppa:* would be great :)
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> i was thinking some ppa gui tool was supposed to beincluided
[13:52] <Oxymoron> jpds: Then its hard to spell repository, I always have to think how to spell it xD
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> but not seen it yet.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Tab key is our friend. :)
[13:52] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Would be great as well, but command lines is more awesome :P
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> I still see tutorials that dont use taht command.. but teach editing the sources.list.. Scary :)
[13:52] <patdk-wk> spellcheck :)
[13:52] <patdk-wk> just hope you get close :)
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> I find myself using tab in word proicessors.. trying to get it to complete words.. :)
[13:53] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: The new add-apt-repository isnt that new, so tutorials havent added it I guess.
[13:53] <Oxymoron> sources.list shouldnt be edited anyway, /etc/apt/sources.d I think it is these days
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> blog/new tutorals should be usging it. :) not the fancy commands ive seen that add stuff to sources.list
[13:54] <patdk-wk> you put 3rd party stuff in sources.d :)
[13:54] <patdk-wk> sources.list.d
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> ive posted several comments on some of them  trying to get people to use sources.d and the add-commands
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> i also correct them when they use 'sudo su' :P or 'sudo bash' heh
[13:55] <patdk-wk> no need for sudo if you always run as root :)
[13:55] <Oxymoron> patdk-wk: Yes, sources.list.d thanks :)
[13:55] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: sudo -i is nice :)
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> sources.list.addons   would make a little easier/sence. :() for those of us that are not used to whatever.d type naming :)
[13:56] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I didnt know that I shouldnt edit sources.list for just recently :P
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> had to point out the sources.list.d to several people in the past
[13:56] <Oxymoron> sources.addons maybe? :D
[13:56] <Oxymoron> sources.vendors? :P
[13:57] <patdk-wk> the only thing that really annoys me about ubuntu, and I don't mess with it much so it's ok, is amavis config file splitup
[13:57] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: What about that *** .d anyway? And why on earth all these .tmp and ~ files? :D
[13:58] <patdk-wk> find / -name '*~' -delete :)
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> rc.d  started it all i guess.
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> .tmp and ~ are from your editors i imagine
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> I dont have any that i see
[13:58] <patdk-wk> ~ is from joe
[13:58] <patdk-wk> .tmp I have no idea
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> vi also does ~ i think
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> or can at least
[13:59] <patdk-wk> never seen vi do it
[13:59] <patdk-wk> or vim
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> if you crash in mid editing.. ive seen them
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> !test
[13:59] <patdk-wk> heh, I have never had it crash :)
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> if the system crashes, or X , while you are in the middle of editing a file. It has a recover option
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> which has saved my backside on many occasion
[14:02] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't use X and vi at the same time :)
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> you are a looser then. :P
[14:03] <patdk-wk> well, I don't use vi on my workstation
[14:03] <patdk-wk> and I don't use X on my servers :)
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> I even use vi on my windows machines
[14:03]  * Dr_Willis ports it to his C64
[14:03]  * Oxymoron is surprised how powerful bleachbit is :O Wonder if they will add rightclick to trash can as CCleaner have .P
[14:03] <patdk-wk> heh, I grew up using wordstar
[14:03] <patdk-wk> so it's all about joe :)
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> nerdstar
[14:03] <nooga> vi on c64?
[14:03] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: Looser?
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> I have CPM on my C64 - so i imagine vi is there somewhere. :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> been years since i last used C64
[14:04] <patdk-wk> ya, wordstar on CP/M :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Good old days
[14:04] <patdk-wk> 64k ram, who needs more?
[14:04] <Oxymoron> 2.03 GB crap files :O
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> console based spread sheets.. 'sc' i think was the name
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> !info sc
[14:04] <patdk-wk> yep
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> and its still around :)
[14:04] <Oxymoron> Whats .DS_store btw?
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Oxymoron:  nintindo ds?
[14:05] <kushalone> I think that's how mac stores the folder view info
[14:05] <patdk-wk> my first C programming was converting a cp/m C program into dos, was lots of fun
[14:05] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Haha, no the files on my computer *.DS_Store
[14:05] <kushalone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.DS_Store
[14:07] <Oxymoron> kushalone: Is it bad to remove those files? I want to save folder views I think, if it should be detailed list or not
[14:07] <kushalone> Hey guys, one quick question. I am having difficulty getting eclipse to add google app engine. I think eclipse is unable to get online. :/
[14:12] <Oxymoron> Anyone? Is it safe remove .DS_Store files in ubuntu or what info do i loose? I dont understand google result, I want more specific details. And if I can remove it, how do I afterwards setup so the file system doesnt create them again?
[14:16] <Andy80> hi
[14:17] <Andy80> is the countdown banner already available to use? I saw some mockup few days ago, but I cannot find the js code to pub on my blog..
[14:22] <gnomefreak> i cant find how to change the splash screen damnit
[14:23] <coz_> gnomefreak,  xsplash?
[14:24] <gnomefreak> coz_: i remember being able to change it without installing anything but ill install it and see if that helps
[14:24] <gnomefreak> coz_: thanks
[14:24] <coz_> gnomefreak,  no no
[14:24] <gnomefreak> no?
[14:24] <coz_> gnomefreak,  xsplash is already installed
[14:24] <Dr_Willis> ive edited the xsplash ztuff  befor. but any updates may change it back
[14:24] <coz_> gnomefreak,  I was asking if that is what you want to change
[14:24] <coz_> gnomefreak, is it the splash screen with the throbber bar
[14:24] <coz_> or
[14:25] <coz_> gnomefreak,  the plymouth theme
[14:25] <gnomefreak> coz_: yes that would be it. only problem is i tried to run it and it crashed
[14:25] <coz_> gnomefreak,  ok I am a bit confused..you tried to run plymouth?
[14:25] <gnomefreak> coz_: splash not plymouth
[14:26] <coz_> gnomefreak,  oh  well on lucid ...plymouth I believe has replaced the xsplash screen
[14:26] <gnomefreak> coz_: splash screen == when gnome is loasing / after the login screen
[14:26] <coz_> oh
[14:26] <gnomefreak> loading even
[14:26] <coz_> gnomefreak,  mm  I havent used that for quite a few versions  I think Dapper was the last one I used that on
[14:28] <coz_> gnomefreak,  not sure then
[14:28] <gnomefreak> coz_: thanks
[14:28]  * gnomefreak coffee
[14:28] <Dr_Willis> it used to be .. grub -> xsplash *whichused X* -> GDM -> Xsplash again -> users desktop
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> I still have /usr/share/images/xsplash on this upgraded box
[14:30] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  mm let me check on my lucid box
[14:30] <coz_> yeah same here
[14:31] <coz_> but plymouth is working here so
[14:31] <lord_arctic> anyone havaing any luck with Ubuntu on a toshiba a505-s6005 laptop??
[14:32] <lord_arctic> :::thinks Oxymoron is following me ::::
[14:33] <Oxymoron> lord_arctic: Huh? :P
[14:33] <lord_arctic> Oxymoron: nothing, just funny that the 4 channels I have been in 2 of them you foloowed me into
[14:34] <gnomefreak> oh and as of now there is no way to change plymouth theme
[14:34] <Oxymoron> lord_arctic: Haha alright _Å
[14:34] <gnomefreak> hes a stalker ;)
[14:34] <lord_arctic> gnomefreak: its ok I need a challange in the morning
[14:39] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: This is interesting, I removed nvidia-current from jockey and activated it and restarted computer but now my resolution went strange and seems that jockey actually have right that nvidia-current is activated but not in use
[14:40] <mazzen> hi! maybe i'm wrong, but are the icon in evolution for 'marking mail as spam' 'marking mail for delete' invert?
[14:40] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: THere is not Xorg.conf file at all now
[14:41] <zim> Hi all am looking to play with the new 10.04 but have a version Q. will the 64bit version work on intel? ubuntu-10.04-beta1-server-amd64.iso or is the amd64 a clue? :)
[14:42] <DanaG> hmm, kernel-ppa seems to have been abandoned.
[14:43] <guntbert> zim: amd in this case is only a name - yes it will be ok for you
[14:43] <gnomefreak> zim: if you have a 64bit proc you can install either 64bit version or 32bit
[14:44] <zim> many thanks
[14:44] <zim> both
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> theres talk of changeint the 'amd64' to be somthing different.
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> too many people dont realize that its  just a gernic term for '64bit'
[14:45] <zim> is a crappy e1200 celeron but the specs say it 64bit and its only for testing so should be ok. I think yell if not :)
[14:45] <Dr_Willis> zim:  if you can use 64bit - you may as well use 64bit
[14:46] <glance> ia64 is itanic , amd64 the old name for x86_64
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> someday we will have ARM based machines :)
[14:46] <zim> kewl many thanks to all for your advice
[14:46] <DanaG> we already DO have some... beagleboard is a cheap one.
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> but looks like the PS3 and its PPC cpus are getting the axe by sony/
[14:46] <Dr_Willis> some.. :) but not common
[14:47] <glance> Dr_Willis: not by sony, by ibm.
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> seen predictions that by xmas there will be 50+ arm based 'ipad clones'
[14:47] <DanaG> oh, and PPC in Powerbooks is a recipe for roasted nuts (horrid pun).
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> glance:  sony is killing off the install linux on the PS3 feature.
[14:47] <zim> what will the ps4 be then?
[14:47] <Dr_Willis> That will eliminate the dozen or so PS3 questionsi see a month I guess in #ubuntu
[14:48] <glance> Dr_Willis: but that has nothing with ppc or cell to do. its that you can hack there crappy hypervisor from linux.
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> I mean the Linux on ps3 feature is getting the axe.. of course..
[14:48] <balas> Dr_Willis, you recommend 64 bit lucid over 32 ?   last i tried, it was just with karmic, and i ended up going back to 32 bit
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: we haven't had a xorg.conf for 2 cycles now. only need for some nvidia blobs. udev takes care of everything
[14:48] <Oxymoron> COuld someone with a working *buntu Lucid version paste their source of /etc/X11/xorg.conf by typing "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit"
[14:48] <Dr_Willis> balas:  ive beenusing 64bit on all my machines for 2+ years with very few issues
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: talk to Sarvatt or bjsnider about that _bug_
[14:49] <glance> Dr_Willis: there are more things than the PS3 who runs cell based thingies. eg. QS21, QS22
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> glance:  but how common are those.. Not very.
[14:49] <Dr_Willis> then again last time i even tried PPC linux on my mac.. well... it dident work too well
[14:49] <balas> Dr_Willis, are more things coded with 32bit or 64 bit in mind ?
[14:49] <glance> how many does anything usefull with linux on there ps3 ?
[14:49] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: Alright, well my screen resolution doesnt get higher than 1280x1024 and proprietary drivers doesnt load?
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> balas:  about every new intel/amd cpu out these days is 64bit only one i can think of thats not is the atom.. and im not sure about those
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> Oxymoron: beats me. I'm not an X dev
[14:50] <balas> Dr_Willis, oh yes i'm sure of that but i mean the applications
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> try your luck at #ubuntu-x
[14:50] <Oxymoron> BUGabundo_remote: Alright, thanks :)
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> glance:  aparently the military and some colleges were using lots of them for some massive computing tasks.
[14:50] <Dr_Willis> glance:  but i just skimmed the various articals.
[14:50] <kushalone> glance: rawr!
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> balas:  ther should be very few issues with compiling sutff for 64bit thse days
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> balas:  i can think of ONE app i use thats not got 64bit port. :) zsnes.. because its using some sort of assembly code.. but theres other snes emus out.
[14:51] <glance> Dr_Willis: we have done some research on them but they are pritty unintresting, because they have no future. gpgpu looks much better.
[14:51] <naught101> I'm getting no wireless networks in nm-applet, knetworkmanager, or iwlist, with the b43 driver, only for the last week or so
[14:52] <naught101> anyone else having similar problems?
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> balas:  i think more of an issue is that many apps do not properly support multicpus as good as they should
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> glance:  that the nvidia-gpu as a helper cpu? seen it mentiuoned.. but not seen any thing that actually used it. (not really looked)
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> last years new-cool-thing becomes this years.. 'what happened to.....'
[14:53] <balas> Dr_Willis, do you happen to have a repository for getlibs.deb that is trustworthy ?  i really need amazonmp3 music downloader
[14:53] <glance> ati or nvidia. its two sides of the same coin, while cell is just another currency.
[14:53] <Dr_Willis> balas:  checkfor ppa's i guess.
[14:54] <Dr_Willis> balas:  or use the source.
[14:54] <balas> guess i could compile getlibs.
[14:54] <balas> thank you
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> Seen New laptops that have 2 video cards in them  also (alienware) one for games, one for long battery life. :) be a neat trick to use the high end gpu as a helper processor.
[14:55] <Dr_Willis> but a year from now - if we are lucky. there will be cheap handy arm based netbooks/ipad-clones running ubuntu
[14:56] <glance> heard anything on caonical doing proper ubuntu support for arm ?
[14:56] <balas> you've got nice hopes for the future i'm not terribly impressed with the ipad, and i believe there were some existing tablets that would run on some open source os
[14:56] <Dr_Willis> i thought it was now an officially supported arch
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> balas:  yea some exist now. but from what i saw the 'companies' are planning on comming out whith ipad-clones :)  but who knows wht will happen
[14:57] <Dr_Willis> People may hate the ipad type of machine
[14:57] <balas> i hope the new ubuntu music store will sell audiobooks.  if they don't it'll be an oversight, seeing as its very difficult to get audiobooks any other way
[14:57] <glance> looks like your right... http://www.ubuntu.com/news/arm-linux
[14:58] <balas> seems alot of manufacturing is done with profit in mind, instead of innovation.  re:  the clones.  if you visit a asian ebay site everything there is clones of existing american products, and they're still expensive
[14:58] <myrl> hi
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> ive no idea where to even get an arm based machine :) but i imagine   soon i will see them
[14:58] <gnomefreak> searched -> searched -> searched -> nothing -> smoke -> thought of gnome-splashscreen-manager ;)
[14:58] <myrl> does 10.04 have a lot of bugs
[14:58] <myrl> ?
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> myrl:  not really. from what ive used
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> myrl:  got it on 3 machines right now.
[14:59] <gnomefreak> depends on what you have
[14:59] <myrl> ok
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> one netbook. 2 desktops
[14:59] <myrl> thanks
[14:59] <gnomefreak> packages always have bugs
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> Havent tried it on the other laptops yet
[14:59] <balas> i have it crash here and there but last i ran fslint, it didn't crash, so maybe the most recent update made it stable
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> Computers/programs alwyas have bugs. :)
[14:59] <DanaG> hmm,. the "kernel-ppa" kernels haven't been updated in a awhile.
[15:00]  * gnomefreak has a few bugs
[15:00] <balas> i literally got a windows 7 license just for itunes, i had audiobooks on there, and in the process of trying to remove duplicates, i lost all my purchases
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> one of themany reasons i dont buy such things from online stores.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> well not from any that have drm at least
[15:02] <balas> i believe i could convert them to be ubuntu friendly
[15:02] <balas> but itunes is so nazi-ish it makes many duplicates and by default isn't intuitive enough to avoid that problem
[15:03] <balas> its the selection that i like with the audiobooks
[15:03] <myrl> what were the main bugs of 10.04 if it has any
[15:03] <myrl> ?
[15:03] <balas> i'm not sure where else i'd buy them, and if they'd be as cheap
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> myrl:  it all depends on what you got and are doing.. I dont have any bugs that make the system unuseable..
[15:03] <myrl> ok
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> but theres been updates/breakage/fixs on and off for the last week+
[15:03] <balas> myrl, good number of bugs, but its functional enough with the latest daily build
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> thats just how bets are
[15:04] <myrl> ok
[15:04] <myrl> thanks
[15:04] <myrl> do you think you have to back up?
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt.. BACKUP
[15:04] <myrl> ko
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> when NOT in doubt.. BACKUP
[15:04] <myrl> ok
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> when the moon is full.. BACKUP
[15:04] <myrl> lol
[15:04] <balas> i'm using a online backup service called spideroak
[15:05] <balas> 100GB for $10/mo
[15:05] <myrl> ok
[15:05] <balas> its cross platform too
[15:05] <Dr_Willis> I have redundant stacks of exteranl 1TB usb hard drives... :)
[15:05] <balas> yes
[15:05] <Pulsewidth> 10.04 beta 1 netbook remix installer fails on my Dell Mini 10v
[15:05] <Pulsewidth> Crashes at about 80%
[15:06] <Pulsewidth> Error reporting also fails, long list of outdated packages
[15:06] <balas> i have a backup drive too, but there are certain folders i'd like to be able to sync back and forth between the windows 7 box and ubuntu, as i don't believe sound for cmi 8788 would be as good on ubuntu as it is on win7, and i've not been able to get it functional.  i'm intimidated by launchpad.net
[15:08] <avis> nice to see you again Dr_Willis
[15:14] <zniavre_> good afternnoon
[15:15] <zniavre_> what is the new way to generate a plain new xorg.conf file please?
[15:16] <SEJeff> zniavre_, Xorg -configure
[15:18] <gnomefreak> using jockey should put the file back to what it should be with the drivers that you are installing
[15:18] <gnomefreak> there filied my bug now i can restart
[15:28] <Oxymoron> If someone recently posted a patch to lucid for jockey, how long time will it take it to be uploaded to ppa approxmatly? :)
[15:29] <kklimonda> depends on avaialibity of builders
[15:30] <kklimonda> availability
[15:30] <kklimonda> huh
[15:31] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: unless you are asking how long does it take for someone to upload a patched package to ppa
[15:32] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: Approximatly. Sorry, no hard feeling against you or someone but I ********** hate when people says it depend on circumstances ... yes of course it do bbut I want to know what time its about if its one year, one month, one second or one minute. not 1 hour, 2 minutes and 52 seconds :D
[15:33] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: but it may be as well 10 minutes or 10 hours
[15:34] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: Yeah, tell me that intervall then ;) :P
[15:35] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: when package is uploaded to ppa you can check the approximate time on its page
[15:35] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: How do I check that? :)
[15:35] <BoondoKlife> Is anyone able to use nautilus to burn a data dvd? Everytime I try it nautilus crashes
[15:36] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: do you have link to ppa and uploaded package?
[15:38] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/jockey/0.5.8-0ubuntu6
[15:38] <kklimonda> how is that "ppa"?
[15:39] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: it should be uploaded soon
[15:39] <kklimonda> an hour or two probably
[15:40] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: Alright, that sounds good :) And I have no rush, but would be awesome to test that update and see if my nvidia drivers finally could work and jockey as well :)
[15:41] <kklimonda> Oxymoron: as it's already built you can download .deb files from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/0.5.8-0ubuntu6/+build/1591174
[15:41] <Oxymoron> kklimonda: Oh cool :) Thanks
[15:43] <kushalone> hey guys, how do I get app engine plugin for eclipse on 10.04b? eclipse won't connect to the Internet :/
[15:44] <yofel> kushalone: it won't connect to the eclipse servers?
[15:44] <kklimonda> kushalone: don't use eclipse package
[15:44] <kushalone> so gnome main menu?
[15:46] <kklimonda> kushalone: well, download eclipse from eclipse.org and not from ubuntu servers
[15:47] <kushalone> oo. ok so I guess I can remove eclipse from Ubuntu software center
[15:48] <Oxymoron> kushalone: How do I install a .deb file by temrinal?
[15:50] <toogreen> Oxymoron, no need to... double-clicking on it should open up gdebi which will let u install it in the GUI
[15:50] <Oxymoron> toogreen: Yeah, but neither KPAckagekit or GDebi works ...
[15:50] <toogreen> Oxymoron, oh sorry i misread that:  dpkg -i  package.deb
[15:51] <Oxymoron> toogreen: Thanks :) Just found it at the same time on google but thanks :)
[15:51] <toogreen> np, sorry i misread ur question
[15:52] <tgpraveen12> !info totem
[15:52]  * maxb raises an eyebrow at nvidia-common depending on fglrx-modaliases
[15:53] <toogreen> hey all, im upgrading to lucid lynx right now... i have an nvidia 9800gt card... will the upgrade take care of everything smoothly?
[15:55] <toogreen> cuz i read about nouveau taking over and all... is there any manual config I should be aware of that I will need to do?
[15:59] <gnomefreak> toogreen: no and yes nouveau is default drivers
[15:59] <gnomefreak> at least for nvidia
[16:00] <toogreen> gnomefreak, ok so what will i have to do to make it work then?
[16:01] <toogreen> gnomefreak, or did you mean "no" by i won't have anything special to do? ;-)
[16:01] <gnomefreak> toogreen: nothing it does it on its own. if you want 3d you have to install the drivers
[16:01] <gnomefreak> you will not have to do anything
[16:02] <toogreen> gnomefreak, through the usual System/Admin/Hardware Drivers?
[16:02] <gnomefreak> toogreen: yep from 3d drivers
[16:02] <toogreen> gnomefreak, i mean for the 3d to work
[16:02] <toogreen> gnomefreak, ok thanks
[16:02] <gnomefreak> it will than set up compiz for you and xorg config will be set up perfectly
[16:02] <bencrisford1> Oxymoron: i think that "sudo dpkg -i <packagename>.deb" should work
[16:03] <gnomefreak> nooga:  problem
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> assuming it works for your nvidia card. :)
[16:03] <Oxymoron> bencrisford1: Hehe yeah little bit too late already found it and someone else also posted it here but thanks anyway though :)
[16:04] <bencrisford1> Oxymoron: ok :)
[16:04] <toogreen> any1 else here had the bug after an update that splash screen was showing LUBUNTU instead of Ubuntu? Just curious if i'm the only one...
[16:05]  * Oxymoron worriy about that bleachbit have removed something in Chromium so it doesnt work anymore :(
[16:07] <Maletor> Did the bug with the CD-Drivers not being found on a USB alternate install (created with unetbootin) ever get fixed? I think it got submitted last night...
[16:08] <gnomefreak> mrenouf: i dont think so but i dont use it
[16:08] <gnomefreak> someone the other day was talking about it
[16:09] <mrenouf> huh?
[16:10] <gnomefreak> the i dot use it was for anothyer person but i kept typing
[16:10] <gnomefreak> s/dot/dont
[16:11] <gnomefreak> i have convos in >3 channels at once
[16:11] <gnomefreak> at same time
[16:11] <mrenouf> no worries ;-)
[16:13] <Lajosward> Ok i am extracting these pdf files from the rar file but they are not showing up afterwards
[16:13] <Lajosward> Any ideas what i am doing wrong?
[16:14] <bencrisford1> Lajosward: you doing it from command line?  or gui?
[16:15] <Lajosward> unrar
[16:20] <Lajosward> gui'
[16:27] <bencrisford1> Lajosward: you are definately looking at the same directory for the pdfs, as you extracted them in to?
[16:27] <bencrisford1> if not then it could be a bug in unrar..
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> whats the command line you are using?
[16:28] <Lajosward> yes i am
[16:28] <Lajosward> and i am just clicking the rar file
[16:29] <Lajosward> and it opens and shows files
[16:29] <Lajosward> I choose extract and extract here it extracts a folder but nothing in it
[16:30] <bencrisford1> Lajosward: unrar is a gui application yes?
[16:30] <Lajosward> i think so
[16:31] <bencrisford1> Lajosward: by that i mean not run in terminal
[16:32] <Lajosward> i downloaded it from the softwarecenter
[16:32] <Lajosward> nope
[16:35] <verterok> mvo: hi, I have some problems with update-manager in karmic (tryin to upgrade to lucid). do you have some spare time to give me a hand?
[16:35] <Lajosward> its Unarchiver for .rar files the free one
[16:36] <Lajosward> ver i had some problems also i ended up just downloading the lucid and burning a live cd
[16:36] <jumper_> hi
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> Err.. Unrar has no gui.. ark is  gui that handles it
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> if you have the proper rar tools installed
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> when in doubt. Use the command line.
[16:37] <Lajosward> so get ark?
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> unrar -e whatever.rar
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> ark is installed by default.
[16:37] <bencrisford> Lajosward: if you are running unrar in gui, you will already have it
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> If you are getting a gui.. look in its help menus..its proberly is ark
[16:37] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas use the cli tools mainly
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> or use the unp command.
[16:38] <Dr_Willis> !info unp
[16:40] <Lajosward> so rightclicking and saying extract here will not help
[16:41] <red> can't get sound out thru my wine (spotify)
[16:41] <red> checked configure wine, it said no audio devices in registry and then it selected alsa for me
[16:41] <jumper_> hi
[16:42] <mungojerry_> red, does Test Sound button work  when u go to the audio devices screen in Wine configure
[16:43] <red> nope
[16:43] <red> i tried to check all the possible devices in the audio panel
[16:43] <red> every test fails
[16:43] <red> it worked out of the box on Karmic iirc
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> if you dont have the unrar tool installed.. it cant unrar them
[16:44] <Dr_Willis> so try unrar from the cli and see...
[16:45] <bencrisford> Dr_Willis: he said he was using unrar, so he probably has it installed...?
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> he said he was using a gui also.. so its hard to tell
[16:46] <Lajosward> i used the  unrar -e  a+ software.rar and a screen poped up and went away
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> a screen? unrar has no gui...
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> the files name is 'a+ softeare.rar' ?
[16:46] <Lajosward> a terminal screen
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> if the thing has spaces in the name. use single quotes around it - or rename it to not have spaces..
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> its unrar e foo.rar
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> no - :) silly unrar
[16:47] <mungojerry_> red, maybe someone else can check since i am running under virtualbox without sound configured
[16:47] <red> mhh
[16:48] <red> sound works ok in virtualbox windows 7 tho
[16:48] <red> guess ill try reinstall & reboot
[16:48] <red> uptime ~5 days and a lot of safe-upgrades in between last boot :)
[16:49] <mungojerry_> which wine are you running? lucid or the wine repo version?
[16:50] <Oxymoron> What a, recntly after some updates I got Gnome panel in my KDE? :O
[16:51] <Lajosward> yes thats the file name
[16:51] <Lajosward> sorry phaone rang
[16:51] <Lajosward> phone
[16:52] <Lajosward> so no - before the e
[16:53] <Lajosward> did it with no - and still the terminal screen flashed
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> read wat it says? is there a space in the filename? if so use ' '
[16:53] <Lajosward> yes a space
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> spaces = annoying
[16:53] <Lajosward> should i rename with no space?
[16:53] <Dr_Willis> or use quotes likei suggested...
[16:54] <Dr_Willis> if the thing has spaces in the name. use single quotes around it - or rename it to not have spaces..
[16:55] <Lajosward> renamed ran the code again and still just a flash from terminal and no extraction
[16:55] <Oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Did you have nything to do with it that Gnome Panel is visible in Kde ?:D
[16:55] <IdleOne> what happened to my Xchat systray icon? it's broken now
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> Lajosward:  so whats the exact command you areusing?
[16:56] <Lajosward> this is putting a hamper on my studying for my a+ certifacations
[16:56] <Lajosward> lol
[16:56] <Dr_Willis> Lajosward:  and case is imptant..
[16:56] <Lajosward> unrar e a+software.rar
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> use single quotes arount it perhaps
[16:57] <mungojerry_> red, u still there?
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> or try getting rid of the + in the name also..
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> Iforget if + is special in bash or not..
[16:57] <mungojerry_> red, i enabled sound in my virtualbox cos i'm a nice guy :) i got the message about no aduio device, let me set it up for u etc...but my sound is working after that
[16:57] <Dr_Willis> also if the thingis password protected.. well.. i dontknow if  unrar supports that or not
[16:58] <maco> if the free version doesnt, im pretty sure unrar-nonfree does
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> You can use wine and winrar.exe :)
[16:58] <Lajosward> no not password protected
[16:58] <Lajosward> good idea
[16:58] <Lajosward> lol
[16:58] <Dr_Willis> then give it a sane name perhaps..   no special chars
[16:59] <Lajosward> i did
[16:59] <Lajosward> still nothing
[16:59] <Lajosward> jsut the quick flash of terminal
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> You meanits printing MEsSAGES?
[16:59] <Lajosward> named it asoftware.rar
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> or what exactly. flash tells me nothing
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> could be its not even an rar. or some other missnamed archive also
[17:00] <Lajosward> just a flash no text jsut pops up and goes away
[17:00] <bencrisford> if its in terminal could you not just scroll up Lajosward?
[17:00] <Lajosward> no its a rar i know the guy i recived it from
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> where are you typeing this exactly? use a terminal window.. not the alt-f2 run stuff
[17:00] <Lajosward> ok
[17:00] <Lajosward> let me try that
[17:00]  * Dr_Willis thinks he sees the problem now...
[17:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> its running, and getting some error.. then closeing. when you do the alt-f2.. so stop doing the alt-f2 stuff :P
[17:01] <Lajosward> says bad address now
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> so 'unrar e foo.rar' says 'badd address' ?
[17:01] <Lajosward> unrar: invalid archive 'e': Bad address
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> Thats... weird
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> try 'file foo.rar' or whateverits called.
[17:02] <Lajosward> unrar: invalid archive 'file': Bad address
[17:02] <Lajosward> Usage: unrar [OPTION...] ARCHIVE [FILE...] [DESTINATION]
[17:03] <Lajosward> Try `unrar --help' or `unrar --usage' for more information
[17:03] <Lajosward> thats what i am getting
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> You are using the proper file name?
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> sounds almost like the archive is bad.
[17:03] <bencrisford> Dr_Willis: even if he isnt, running unrar e foo.rar as foo.rar doesnt give me bas address
[17:03] <bencrisford> it just says file not found
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> bencrisford:  err.. you need to bein the proper directory where the archive is at..
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> command line basics.
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> so where is the file at?
[17:04] <Lajosward> in downloads
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> and thats proberly p[art of the WHOLE problem then
[17:04] <Dr_Willis> so 'cd Downloads'  THEN use theunrar commands
[17:04] <bencrisford> Dr_Willis: i understand that :P, im just saying that even if he hasnt put the correct file/path then it still doesnt explain the error
[17:04] <bencrisford> because i do not get that error
[17:05] <Dr_Willis> bencrisford:  its hard to tell what hes doing. :)
[17:05] <Lajosward> i used this
[17:05]  * bencrisford thinks maybe he should write a script for Lajosward
[17:05] <Lajosward> unrar e asoftware.rar
[17:06] <Lajosward> that was the command line i put in
[17:06] <bencrisford> Lajosward: what directory (folder) is your .rar archive stored in?
[17:06] <Lajosward> downloads
[17:06] <Lajosward> places downloads
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> Lajosward:  linux tip to remember #1  CASE IS impRantant
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> Downloads dir is NOT the same as the 'downloads' dir
[17:07] <bencrisford> is that "Downloads" or "downloads" Lajosward
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> If its in 'Downloads' then 'cd Downloads' then use the commands to unrar it
[17:07] <Lajosward> Downlaods
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> cd Downloads
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> unrar e whatever.rar
[17:08] <bencrisford> Lajosward: the Downloads in your home folder?  /home/yourname/Downloads ?
[17:09] <Lajosward> yay
[17:09] <Lajosward> but
[17:09] <Lajosward> all the files failed to extract
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting from /home/rodney/Downloads/asoftware.rar
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting  Troytech - A Plus OS Study Guide 220-201 1st Ed.pdf       Failed
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting  220-222.pdf                                               Failed
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting  220-222SG.pdf                                             Failed
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting  CRAM SESSION A+ SOFTWARE.PDF                              Failed
[17:09] <Lajosward> Extracting  Test King - A Plus Operating System - Study Guide - 220-222 3.0.pdf Failed
[17:09] <Lajosward> 5 Failed
[17:09] <bencrisford> Lajosward: please done copy outputs here!
[17:10] <Lajosward> orry
[17:10] <bencrisford> its not good for the channel ;)
[17:10] <bencrisford> is ok
[17:10] <Lajosward> sorry
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a bad archive to me
[17:10] <bencrisford> next time, copy and paste into www.pastebin.com and send us the link
[17:10] <Lajosward> ok
[17:10] <Lajosward> ty
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> which expkains why ark dident work also
[17:10] <Trewas> maybe he has unrar-free installed, that does not work in any rar make this millennium
[17:11] <Lajosward> yeah i ahve free
[17:11] <Lajosward> how much is the nonfree one cost
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> free as in liceniung.. not cost
[17:11] <bencrisford> this millennium?  wow, rars are older than i thought
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> !info rar
[17:11] <bencrisford> !info unrar
[17:12] <Lajosward> so uninstall free and go unfree
[17:12] <Lajosward> nonfree
[17:12] <bencrisford> thhey are both in the software centre Lajosward
[17:13] <bencrisford> i think..
[17:13] <bencrisford> if not, then you can apt-get them
[17:13] <Lajosward> they are
[17:13] <mungojerry_> sudo apt-get install unrar    gives me the non-free
[17:13] <bencrisford> mungojerry_: i have just found that also
[17:13] <bencrisford> but i think Lajosward got his from software centre
[17:14] <Lajosward> getting it
[17:14] <mungojerry_> bencrisford, i see what you mean. i can see how a new user might make that mistake
[17:15] <Lajosward> jsut used the command line since already had terminal open
[17:15] <bencrisford> mungojerry_: thats the thing about software centre, its great for new users, but with cli you know exactly what you're getting
[17:15] <Lajosward> worked
[17:15] <Lajosward> ty do much
[17:15] <Lajosward> so even
[17:15] <mungojerry_> software centre is very slow for me under VM
[17:16] <Dr_Willis> one of the many reasons to stop using rar. :)
[17:16] <Lajosward> yeah software center takes way to long to install
[17:16] <bencrisford> mungojerry_: but you could argue command line takes longer to type out etc...
[17:17] <mungojerry_> i mean there is a problem with the search. synaptic, and old incranations worked fine
[17:17] <mungojerry_> hoping it is just my VM
[17:17] <Lajosward> only if you dont know how to type
[17:17] <Lajosward> lol
[17:17] <bencrisford> Lajosward: haha i guess it depends on that
[17:18] <bencrisford> but it is quicker to click install on a gui than it is to type out sudo apt-get install....
[17:18] <Lajosward> if your a "find and peck" typer then yeah command line could take awhile
[17:18] <bencrisford> it is different if you are only using terminal for small things like that though
[17:18] <bencrisford> but i kind of meant if you have no gui at all
[17:19] <bencrisford> i had no gui on arch for a week or two
[17:19] <bencrisford> and everything took alot longer :P
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> you could type in unrar and it would show you the command toiinstall it :) then cut/paste
[17:23] <Lajosward> ty for your time
[17:23] <Lajosward> :)
[17:24] <bencrisford> Lajosward: no problem ;)
[17:28]  * bencrisford loves lucid :D.  My printer never worked with jaunty/karmic, or even windows but lucids fine with it :D
[17:29]  * nick125 has the opposite :(
[17:29] <nick125> For some reason, in Lucid, my printer prints big black bars between elements in the page.
[17:30] <bencrisford> nick125: if im completely honest, my printer works far from perfectly under lucid :P
[17:30] <bencrisford> but windows didnt even find it!
[17:30] <bencrisford> so im happy :)
[17:30] <nick125> So it would be like.....a paragraph of text, big black bar, text, black bar...
[17:31] <bencrisford> hmm, well i have just discovered that it doesnt want to print at all now apart from discusting yellow bars where text should be :(
[17:31] <bencrisford> but nevermind, lucid beat windows
[17:31] <bencrisford> thats all i care about
[17:31] <nick125> bencrisford: It takes me less time to fire up the CUPS web interface and add a printer than it takes just to download printer drivers for Windows.
[17:32] <bencrisford> nick125: linux+printers=fail but windows+printers=epic fail
[17:32] <nick125> Well, it depends on the printer.
[17:33] <bencrisford> yeah
[17:33] <nick125> If it's an HP, it generally works. If it's whatever piece of junk you could find at WalMart then no.
[17:33] <bencrisford> and im happy if were better than windows
[17:33] <bencrisford> windows users complain that their printer doesnt work at all
[17:33] <bencrisford> well we can print bars
[17:33] <bencrisford> :)
[17:35] <nick125> now only if my wireless would work right....
[17:46] <Oxymoron> Whats status regarding xine library?
[17:58] <shakall69> hi can someone help me with this error gnome power manager have not been installed corectly for ubuntu lucid; i got that error after an update
[17:59] <bencrisford> shakall69: are you in lucid now?
[17:59] <shakall69> nope
[17:59] <shakall69> i can chroot
[17:59] <bencrisford> so the installation failed?
[17:59] <shakall69> im in opensuse
[18:00] <shakall69> when the loggin screen appears it gives this error
[18:01] <shakall69> i`ve tried to reinstall gnome-power-manager no use ; same with dpkg -configure -a
[18:01] <bencrisford> shakall69: by re-install do you mean through apt-get ?
[18:02] <shakall69> yes
[18:02] <bencrisford> all i can suggest is downloading the .deb online and using dpkg
[18:03] <shakall69> ok ty 4 help
[18:03] <bencrisford> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-power-manager/
[18:03] <shakall69> i`ll try that
[18:03] <bencrisford> oopd
[18:03] <bencrisford> :P they're debian...
[18:03] <bencrisford> thats what happens when you rush googling
[18:03] <penguin42> shakall69: What error?
[18:04] <shakall69> The configuration defaults for Gnome power manager have not been installed corectly. please contact your administrator.
[18:04] <bencrisford> shakall69: also try installing from the source package
[18:04] <penguin42> shakall69: Oh wacky
[18:04] <bencrisford> you can get the source package with apt-get source gnome-power-manager
[18:05] <bencrisford> shakall69: i have to go, sorry, i hope you get it sorted
[18:05] <penguin42> bencrisford: He really shouldn't need to deb install or build from source and it's unlikely  thats the problem
[18:05] <bencrisford> penguin42: i didnt know what else to suggest...
[18:05] <bencrisford> i should have kept my mouth shut :/
[18:05] <penguin42> bencrisford: Well you could suggest an exorcism bu tit wouldn't help
[18:06] <bencrisford> penguin42: but if it was the original package, not the ubuntu one, and he installed from source, surely that would be different?
[18:06] <bencrisford> anyway bbl
[18:07] <penguin42> uninstalling the package and reinstalling is reasonable
[18:09] <penguin42> shakall69: I'd be tempted to try deleting ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-power-manager after making a backup of it
[18:11] <ccmonster> how do i install sun java6 jdk for lucid?
[18:11] <Oxymoron> How do I change video output mode in Dragonplayer and Kaffeine?
[18:11] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, add the partner repo
[18:11] <ccmonster> .....
[18:12] <ccmonster> where is the partner repo?
[18:12] <om26er> any one with desktopcouch 0.6.3-0ubuntu2 please try to add a new account in gwibber. Its not woring but was working before desktopcouch updated
[18:12] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[18:12] <ccmonster> k
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_laptop> hey all quick question:  I did a apt-get autoremove and it removed dkms.  Should I still have that installed? (i have safely upgraded my packages, no bad dist-upgrades)
[18:14] <billybigrigger_> anyone having any luck with syncing music with rhythmbox and an ipod touch/iphone? i can get as far as putting music onto my device in rhythmbox, and the ipod touch says syncing....but no music shows up on the ipod when i go to play it...
[18:15] <billybigrigger_> dkms:
[18:15] <billybigrigger_>   Installed: (none)
[18:15] <billybigrigger_>   Candidate: 2.1.1.2-2fakesync1
[18:15] <billybigrigger_> bcurtiswx_laptop, phased out or something?
[18:15] <bcurtiswx_laptop> billybigrigger: thats my question.. is that correct?
[18:17] <billybigrigger_> honestly...no clue
[18:18] <billybigrigger_> these are the dev cycles i am clueless with...i work solid during the winter months...usually im more active in the summer so....i can't say for sure
[18:19]  * om26er waits
[18:21] <bcurtiswx_laptop> om26er: for what?
[18:22] <billybigrigger_> im guessing for someone to test out a gwibber account...
[18:22] <om26er> bcurtiswx_laptop, with the new updates to desktopcouch i cannot create a new account
[18:27] <freaky[t]> hi all. how can i upgrade my current ubuntu to the current beta?
[18:27] <penguin42> freaky[t]: Run update-manager -d   or do-release-upgrade -d
[18:28] <bcurtiswx_laptop> om26er: to empathy?
[18:28] <freaky[t]> penguin42, ok thank you
[18:28] <om26er> bcurtiswx_laptop, no, its gwibber
[18:29] <freaky[t]> i got another question. if i upgrade to the new ubuntu beta, will the desktop themes etc. be updated too?
[18:29] <burner>  freaky[t] yep
[18:29] <freaky[t]> ok great thank you :D will they automatically be activated?
[18:30] <penguin42> freaky[t]: So interestingly on one of my machines they were and on the other they weren't - I haven't figured out the difference
[18:30] <billybigrigger_> well it would depend if your using the default theme at the time of upgrade
[18:31] <freaky[t]> penguin42,  hm ok. i just dont want to do a fresh install but i want the new ubuntu be installed the way it would look like if it were a new install
[18:31] <freaky[t]> billybigrigger, i have a custom theme
[18:31] <freaky[t]> i changed some things
[18:31] <billybigrigger_> mind you i did a fresh install of beta1 on this laptop yesterday and "human" is no longer....so i don't know if you were using human at upgrade time if it would remove that theme and start with the new default
[18:31] <billybigrigger_> freaky[t], then your custom theme will still apply afaik
[18:31] <freaky[t]> ok, what is the new theme called?
[18:32] <billybigrigger_> ambiance
[18:32] <balas-> billybigrigger, were the folders still orange ?
[18:32] <freaky[t]> ok great thank you ;D
[18:32] <screen-x> I have a desktop machine with no wireless interfaces, but when network manager is dhcping an adderess, I see the wireless symbol, is that expected?
[18:32] <balas-> screen-x, that sounds odd
[18:32] <billybigrigger_> ubuntu-mono-dark is the default icon theme
[18:32] <ZykoticK9> screen-x, it's just the icon - i see the same thing in my VMs (also without wireless obviously)
[18:34] <screen-x> Also my wired interfaces dont connect automatically, I had to do "edit connections" and create a connection that uses dhcp.
[18:35] <balas-> screen-x, sometimes dhcp works better if you do dhcp (manual) and simply enter your routers ip address for the dns
[18:36] <balas-> screen-x, other than that look into /etc/network/interfaces
[18:37] <screen-x> balas-, thanks, I can configure it, I just wondered if it was a bug that needed reporting, as wired interfaces were connected automatically in previous releases
[18:37] <balas-> maybe not sure.
[18:38] <balas-> screen-x, you might have better luck defining a specific ip on your lan
[18:38] <balas-> as far as connecting automatically
[18:40] <screen-x> balas-, I could do that, but I would prefer to manage IPs centrally and have network manager call dhcp when a link up is detected. Will have to do some more tests.
[18:51] <git__> my $DISPLAY is :0.0 ... how can I run a program on another desktop port?
[18:51] <BluesKaj> screen-x, if you are on wifi, good luck with nm...i didn't have any , quit after 24 hrs and couldn't connect after that...switched to wicd which isn't affected by updates etc so far
[18:55] <ZykoticK9> Anyone else having to refresh chromium-browser multiple time in order to sign into Google sites (wave,gmail,analytics)?  Doesn't happen with Firefox or even Google Chrome.
[18:55] <aldin> hi sorry for bother, perhaps i am just another guy asking "when it will be out"? so anyone has info, deadline is as i see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=LucidLynxSchedule
[18:55] <screen-x> BluesKaj, I've had good experiences with network manager so far, maybe that has left me with high expectations.. Though I did just unplug my network cable, and when I re plugged it in, NM auto DHCPed it.
[18:55] <aldin> what is going on with lucid's release?
[18:56] <screen-x> ZykoticK9, I have had that problem with google apps
[18:56] <screen-x> Sometimes getting strange pages missings bits of css
[18:56] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9: version #?
[18:56] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, 5.0.307.11 (39572)
[18:57] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9: Try running an update, as I'm not having issues on 42209
[18:57] <BluesKaj> screen-x, nm works fine with ethernet , but i prefer to use /etc/network/interfaces static IP settings for that
[18:58] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, are you using a PPA?
[18:58] <foreverubun2> yeah
[18:59] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9, are you?
[18:59] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, no i'm using the version for ubuntu's repo
[18:59] <charlie-tca> aldin: as the schedule shows, it is beta1 now. Release scheduled for end of april
[19:00] <aldin> charlie-tca: it says 29th, now its 30th?
[19:00] <aldin> so i wonder was there official information arround
[19:00] <charlie-tca> It says april 29, this is march 30
[19:00] <ZykoticK9> lol
[19:01] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9, I'm guessing that the ubuntu repo is the equivalent of either the beta or dev chrome channels.
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I would suggest checking your calendar for the month
[19:03] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9, Something's messed up on my end, can you access http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/ /
[19:03] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9, no second /
[19:03] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, ya that site opens
[19:04] <screen-x> foreverubun2, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[19:04] <foreverubun2> screen-x: my dns just went bad
[19:05] <screen-x> 8.8.8.8 :)
[19:06] <foreverubun2> screen-x: yeah, but for some reason or another i'm getting this: http://www.onspeednx.com/nx/search/?d=1&t=0&q=googlechromereleases.blogspot.com
[19:06] <foreverubun2> I've never heard of onspeednx
[19:07] <joey__> Question: I recently upgraded from Karmic 9.10 to Lucid 10.04 beta using the update-manager -d command. I was wondering if anybody could tell me how to enable the meMenu after the upgrade
[19:07] <ZykoticK9> foreverubun2, sure enough the PPA version doesn't have the issue.  Thanks.
[19:08] <foreverubun2> ZykoticK9, good to know
[19:08] <trism> foreverubun2: did you install any chrome extensions?
[19:09] <billybigrigger_> w0hat is the memenu?
[19:09] <screen-x> foreverubun2, scary. I wonder who's intercepting your dns :-/
[19:09] <foreverubun2> trism: only proxy switchy, but I just disabled it
[19:10] <joey__> the meMenu is the new lucid indicator applet. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu
[19:10] <joey__> anybody know how to enable it after an upgrade?
[19:10] <foreverubun2> screen-x: the scarier part is that I'm running on a friendly network that I own and set up
[19:11] <screen-x> foreverubun2, do you use resolvers from your provider, or do you run local recursive resolvers?
[19:11] <foreverubun2> screen-x: provider, I think
[19:12] <foreverubun2> screen-x, it's charter communications
[19:12] <BluesKaj> joey__, alt+f2 , MeMenu
[19:12] <trism> foreverubun2: yeah, that was the extension I was getting hits about for the redirection to onspeednx.com
[19:13] <foreverubun2> ok... restarting chromium and uninstalling
[19:14] <joey__> BluesKaj: that doesn't work for me, it just says command not found
[19:14] <joey__> the indicator-me package is installed for me
[19:14] <mrenouf> If you make a package for a service, which includes init scripts, does it get restarted automatically after an upgrade, or do I need to manually add a restart to postinst?
[19:15] <foreverubun2> trism: uninstalled it and still getting onspeednx... that's not good is it?
[19:15] <mrenouf> oops, sorry, meant to ask in #ubuntu, but answer if you can ;-) tnx
[19:15] <om26er> joey__, open terminal type indicator-me
[19:15] <BluesKaj> joey__, not in the terminal , in the run command
[19:16] <om26er> joey__, first you should have indicator-applet-session in the panel
[19:16] <om26er> well if you have indicator-applet-session in the panel you should have memenu
[19:17] <rweait> Mar 30 12:31:29 tile rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output file '/dev/xconsole' [try http://www.rsyslog.com/e/2039 ]
[19:17] <trism> foreverubun2: the post I found said to first disable the current proxy (deleting the proxy host) then uninstalling switchy fixed it for them, maybe check chromium's proxy settings?
[19:18] <rweait> no /dev/xconsole exists
[19:18] <rweait> this is a new error.  Didn't see it last week.
[19:18] <foreverubun2> trism: uninstalled switchy, checking proxy settings
[19:19] <joey__> omer26er: okay, I've got indicator applet session started, does that start the meMenu?
[19:19] <foreverubun2> trism: proxy settings are directly to internet
[19:20] <foreverubun2> trism: page is gone; thank's for the help!
[19:20] <screen-x> foreverubun2, so it was a bad chrome(ium) extension?
[19:21] <trism> foreverubun2: excellent, you're welcome
[19:21] <foreverubun2> screen-x, yeah
[19:22]  * screen-x mentally blacklists switchy
[19:22] <joli> Hello guys
[19:22] <foreverubun2> screen-x: not bad just didn't know about the redirection, asking the dev's to make it more obvious
[19:22] <maco> joli: you probably have lubuntu-plymouth-theme  installed
[19:23] <joli> yes I have
[19:23] <joli> but how can it be instaled?
[19:23] <maco> joli: did you used to have lubuntu/lxde installed?
[19:23] <joli> if I dont't have lxde
[19:24] <maco> neither lxde nor the splash screen depends on the other
[19:24] <joli> maco: no, never. thats the trouble here
[19:24] <joli> as far i can remember i neever instaled it
[19:24] <maco> oooh apt-cache says that plymouth itself depends on it
[19:24] <joli> It apeared to me in the last regular updates of ubuntu
[19:25] <joli> sometimes i just do sudo apt-get update / upgrade
[19:25] <maco> hrmm thats not right....
[19:25] <joli> sometimes i use the update graphical tools
[19:25] <maco> im not sure why it got installed. "apt-cache rdepends lubuntu-plymouth-theme" says plymouth depends on it but "apt-cache show plymouth" says it doesnt
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> More lubuntians :D
[19:26] <joli> I can happly remove it, and move along. Should I fill some bug report?
[19:27] <joli> ActionParsnip: I'm not the only one with that trouble?
[19:27] <maco> joli: i think ActionParsnip isnt understanding
[19:27] <joli> this seems like a markting strategy from the lubuntu team :)
[19:27] <joli> *marketing
[19:27] <maco> joli: yeah file it and attach your /var/log/apt/term.log
[19:28] <joli> maco: ok
[19:28] <afv> hi, anyone using evince (document viewer) noticed that in the documents instead a bullet (•) there's an infinity symbol (∞)?
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Joli: wassup?
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Afv: still serves the purpose I guess...
[19:42] <texas319> hey all
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Texasguy319: ati in lucid doesn't work too well as their driver doesn't support the xorg version it comes with
[19:43] <texas319> got a question.... in U9 my video was dual view and the walpaper faded nice and smooth... in U10 Beta 1 walapaer doesnt span and is very sluggis and choppin in between transitions
[19:43] <texas319> wouuld that account for the sluggo?
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> Texas319: you are using the open driver that's why
[19:44] <ZykoticK9> texas319, see bug #494699 for details
[19:44] <texas319> so am I out of luck? w/ U10
[19:45] <skyjumper> trying to get rid of these annoying gnome-panel tooltips, but i don't know the window class of them
[19:45] <skyjumper> and xwininfo doesn't work on tooltips
[19:45] <skyjumper> anyone know how to get a window name/class for a tooltip?
[19:45] <texas319> ATI radeon X600 has been my work hourse viedo card as of late with dual screen
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Texas319: until ati get up to date, yes. Nvidia runs fine
[19:46] <texas319> no nvidias on hand  as of now
[19:47] <ed4> hello, what about the broadcom wireless cards driver prob ?
[19:47] <texas319> so as far as my desktop goes i will be subject to Ubuntu 9 until Ati releases
[19:47] <ed4> i mean i have problem with live usb with this kind of card on laptop
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Texas319: 9.10 is a solid release and is supported way into 2011 so you will be fine
[19:49] <texas319> so okay. I have never stuck with Ubuntu longer than a year so i havent done upgrading before.... if i stick with U9 till Ati steps up support is it a preety cut and dry upgrade process
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Just avoid ati, much easier
[19:50] <texas319> kinda hard with my thinkpad it also has ATI
[19:50] <jaysonsantos> Hi guys, I can't find out where me-menu is, I tried to remove and and again indicator applet, is that right ?
[19:50] <texas319> dual screen worked out the box
[19:50] <texas319> everything is crisp and clear
[19:50] <texas319> just a little sluggish when setting wall papers
[19:59] <Lajosward> Jumping in the middle of this convo... does lucid not support ati video cards?
[19:59] <nick125> Lajosward: It kind of does.
[20:00] <nick125> Lajosward: The problem is that only certain cards are supported by the open source driver, etc.
[20:00] <penguin42> Lajosward: The free driver works on them, the commercial driver isn't there yet
[20:00] <penguin42> Yeh free doesn't work on the hd5xxx series
[20:00] <nick125> (Note: I haven't bought an ATI graphics card since...uh...the ATI All-in-Wonder Pro, PCI edition)
[20:01] <Lajosward> cause the box i am working on now the pci-e slot is out so ordering a new mobo tomorrow and i have a 4class card
[20:01]  * penguin42 is running an HD4350 on the free drivers
[20:01] <ed4> do you know about issues with fit-pc2 ? (mini pc based on gma500)
[20:01] <Lajosward> thats what i have
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> 4870 on free drivers here
[20:01] <Lajosward> 4350
[20:01] <penguin42> Lajosward: Works a treat - although I'm running hte xorg-edgers bleeding edge stuff
[20:01] <Lajosward> \so i should be ok
[20:01] <penguin42> Lajosward: Yeh
[20:01] <cwillu_at_work> can somebody verify if /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-ubuntuone.md5sums exists?
[20:02] <nick125> penguin42: Spilling a little blood in the name of science, eh? ;)
[20:02] <penguin42> Lajosward: Google-earth is fine, meshlab pretty funky, I don't do compiz
[20:02] <penguin42> nick125: Heck yes; actually I've been running this on the free drivers since I got the machine in December and I think I needed them then, bu tI suspect I don't now
[20:02] <herbert> tried to update to 10.4 but Xorg switched the buttons on top windows from right side to left (min, full, exit)
[20:02] <Lajosward> yeah my ccsm is acting up on the workstation frount
[20:02] <Lajosward> i can only have 2 workstations
[20:03] <cwillu_at_work> herbert, recent update to the appearances dialog offers to switch them back when you change themes
[20:03] <Lajosward> setting above 2 and it resets back to 2 each time
[20:03] <cwillu_at_work> herbert, nothing at all to do with xorg though
[20:03] <git__> anyone here work with "Show Mouse" in Compiz?  I want to know if there's a simple circle for "Show Mouse" effect
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, can you do me a favour on a lucid machine?
[20:05] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Sure
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, what's the output of "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-ubuntuone.md5sums"?
[20:05] <penguin42> well, assuming it's legal and doesn't involve hacksaws
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> ls -lh rather
[20:05] <cwillu_at_work> well, only one hacksaw
[20:06] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 401 2010-03-24 23:24 /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-ubuntuone.md5sums
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> ah, goodie
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> GOTCHYA
[20:06] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Hmm - that's on this machine, but not on my other
[20:06] <Lajosward> or soldering irons
[20:06] <cwillu_at_work> (that file came up ENOENT on an strace of dpkg during its installation)
[20:06] <Lajosward> lol
[20:07] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, your other one may or may not have it installed
[20:07] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: They're both upgrades from Karmic, the one that does have it was only upgraded recently (post beta) the one that doesn't was upgraded during early alpha
[20:09] <Lajosward> Having to remember to update everyday
[20:10] <Lajosward> 73
[20:10] <Lajosward> files today
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Lajosward: cron it ;)
[20:10] <git__> I'm still waiting for suspend/resume and X-Record extension to work on Lucid
[20:11] <Lajosward> is there another way to cube your workstations without ccsm
[20:12] <Bittarman> any way to get the equiv. of vbeinfo once your booted?
[20:12] <avar> Could someone give me a default 10.04 /etc/rsyslog.conf? I accidentally nuked mine
[20:12] <herbert> the other problem I ran into was the Video Driver wouldn't load nvidia 96
[20:13] <bjsnider> nvidia 96 probably doesn't work
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> Avar: http://pastebin.com/byuVaeSn
[20:15] <avar> ActionParsnip: thanks!
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> Avar: before playing with conf files backup the original with a simple cp command, you can then roll back
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> Avar: sudo cp /etc/syslog.conf /etc/syslog.conf_old ,is all it takes
[20:17] <ripps> Almost everything in my Application/System menus is missing, what the hell is going on?
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> Ripps: run alacarte, it may give clues
[20:17] <ZykoticK9> ripps, by default i don't think there is anything in that menu
[20:18] <ripps> ActionParsnip: everything is missing there too
[20:18] <avar> ActionParsnip: In this case there's no need. I accidentally deleted it earlier. Usually I'm not this dumb though, I keep my /etc in git. I was just setting it up in git from another machine (with a debian /etc/rsyslog.conf) and deleted it during merging..
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Ripps: that's all I got. I use lxde
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Avar: d'oh oh well :)
[20:19] <ZykoticK9> ripps, on a default install (just checked in a VM) that menu doesn't even appear
[20:19] <ripps> ActionParsnip: what package is the application menu associated with? So I know what package to ubuntu-bug
[20:20] <jibadeeha> the icon buttons being on the left is starting to make sense to me now i have seen this mock up http://platinrabe.deviantart.com/art/Additional-Buttons-Mockup-158925745
[20:20] <ripps> ZykoticK9: that doesn't explain why they suddenly disappeared after running an update, I've been using Lucid since Alpha1
[20:20] <rweait> Lucid didn't say this last week but does now: rsyslogd-2039: Could no open output file '/dev/xconsole'
[20:20] <ZykoticK9> ripps, don't know then... it's certainly populated on my system
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Ripps: erm not sure really. Sorry
[20:34] <Maletor> I am trying to install Ubuntu 10.4 from the alternate USB. However, when I get to the installer and I select, no I would not like to find cd-drivers, Ubuntu complains hardcore and disallows me to continue the installation throwing a fatal error.
[20:34] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[20:35] <BUGabundo> hey dear charlie-tca
[20:35] <mfraz74> just done an update on UNR and now I have 2 battery indicators
[20:36] <Maletor> evening BUGabundo: i was on here talking to someone about it last night, I made the alternate USB from unetbootin, should I try creating it from the ubuntu usb creator?
[20:37] <BUGabundo> Maletor: ?
[20:38] <BUGabundo> AFAIK usb-creator only does Live CDs
[20:38] <BUGabundo> so who was the guy asking about gm-notify?
[20:38] <BUGabundo> aboserv something ?
[20:38] <Maletor> USB Creator will not create an alternate install USB?
[20:39] <BUGabundo> don't think so
[20:40] <Maletor> Well, how can I boot the alternate USB?
[20:40] <mfraz74> is it safe to remove one of the battery indicators?
[20:40] <BUGabundo> mfraz74: AFAIK yes
[20:40] <Maletor> err. I can boot it, but it throws a fatal error upon failing to get cd drivers when i don't even have a cd drive
[20:41] <BUGabundo> you should still get alerts of critical levels
[20:41] <BUGabundo> Maletor: beats me
[20:41] <BUGabundo> maybe with unetbootin ?
[20:41] <holstein> ive had the same error with unetbootin Maletor
[20:42] <Maletor> holstein: what's the solution holstein? boot into live cd and use usb creator to create alternate usb?
[20:42] <holstein> i have a USB external drive
[20:42] <mfraz74> oh, doesn't look like i can
[20:42] <holstein> CD/DVD
[20:42] <holstein> SO i just used that, and stopped looking for a solution for the non-live install CD's
[20:43] <Maletor> I don't have CD/DVD.
[20:43] <Maletor> drive, and I need alternate for mdadm/lvm2
[20:44] <BUGabundo> FYI
[20:44] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[20:44] <BUGabundo>   capplets-data gnome-panel libplasma3
[20:44] <BUGabundo> Maletor: do you have a GOOD internet link ?
[20:44] <Maletor> it's decent ---- why?
[20:45] <BUGabundo> Maletor: netboot.me
[20:45] <BUGabundo> put that on the USB stick, boot from it, change the image to daily or daily live lucid
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and start from that
[20:45] <BUGabundo> I know it works, I've done it a few time on my laptop
[20:46] <BUGabundo> you will need a ethernet cable of course
[20:46] <Maletor> BUGabundo: does it have the alternate cd?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> Maletor: ping me if you need any help with it
[20:46] <BUGabundo> Maletor: LIVE is the alternate
[20:46] <BUGabundo> err
[20:46] <BUGabundo> sorry
[20:46] <holstein> w00t BUGabundo
[20:46] <BUGabundo> DAILY is the alternate
[20:46] <BUGabundo> and daily live is the Desktop
[20:47] <BUGabundo> holstein: ??
[20:47] <holstein> good idea.. netboot.me FTW
[20:48] <Damascene> holstein, are you using netbook edtion?
[20:48] <holstein> Damascene: no
[20:48] <holstein> just plain vanilla
[20:48] <Damascene> I heard this word before
[20:49] <BUGabundo> which one?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> BKO and NBM?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> boot.kernel.org and netboot.me
[20:49] <pitwalker> Maletor: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[20:49] <BUGabundo> very light boot (1MB)
[20:49] <holstein> BUGabundo mentioned them in here a couple weeks ago
[20:49] <BUGabundo> pitwalker: already told him that
[20:50] <Maletor> pitwalker: that's the source of the problem
[20:50] <holstein> i checked them both out, and like them
[20:50] <BUGabundo> holstein: this should be the 4th time
[20:50] <holstein> hehe
[20:50] <pitwalker> Maletor: I install a Lucid with unetbootined pendrive's fat32
[20:50] <Maletor> did you use alternate
[20:50]  * Maletor doesn't think so......
[20:50] <holstein> pitwalker: the alternate?
[20:50]  * BUGabundo runs computer janitor
[20:50] <holstein> pitwalker: the text-based looking installer
[20:50] <BUGabundo> Maletor: question: why do you insist on the alternate???
[20:50] <holstein> ?
[20:51] <pitwalker> Maletor: to another pendrive, and works with manual edit of the grubs kernel entry's root parameter
[20:51] <Maletor> I need it for mdadm and lvm2
[20:51] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:51] <Maletor> It is an absolute necessity
[20:51] <BUGabundo> right
[20:51] <pitwalker> Maletor: i use the netinstall tiny size image, because not contain unfamiliar file names with FAT32
[20:51] <BUGabundo> WOW
[20:52] <BUGabundo> janitor looks AWFUL
[20:52] <Maletor> I have a blank usb and the desktop live so i will try to install ubuntu alternate from live cd
[20:52] <Maletor> if that doesn't work i will use netboot.me although i don't see the DAILY package of ubuntu
[20:52] <BUGabundo> Maletor: Desktop may not provide the tools or installer you need
[20:52] <BUGabundo> Maletor: it doesn't have it
[20:52] <Maletor> BUGabundo: it will have usb creator
[20:53] <BUGabundo> that's why I said you need to edit it
[20:53] <BUGabundo> Maletor: again, AFAIK usbcreator DOESNOT support alternate iamge
[20:53] <BUGabundo> I could be wrong
[20:53] <pitwalker> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/lucid/
[20:53] <Maletor> What do you mean doesn't support all it does is add syslinux to it...
[20:53] <pitwalker> unetbootin uses syslinux
[20:53] <BUGabundo> hey if you are sure
[20:53] <Maletor> and maybe some other things ... to make sure it doesn't look for cd drivers for example
[20:53] <BUGabundo> go for it
[20:54] <pitwalker> unetbootin extract files from the iso
[20:55] <mfraz74> one of the battery indicators is part of indicator applet and i've no idea about the other one as it doesn't seem to accept right clicks
[20:59] <mfraz74> can't seem to add or remove anything from the panel as the options are faded out
[21:00] <claptrap> Ok, so for some reason, whenever I highlight a URL anywhere (Chrome, Firefox, Smuxi, gedit) it opens a little right-click style menu with some choices for a browser to open it in. How can I disable this"?
[21:02] <penguin42> it's bringing up the menu just by highlighting it?
[21:02] <steven_> I've just updated my nvidia with the package manager and now I'm getting a display not found X error
[21:03] <claptrap> penguin42: Yeah.
[21:04] <claptrap> Annoying because in Chrome, for example, I highlight my URL and then start typing to type over it; however, since the menu is open, if I hit, say "O", the URL opens in Opera.
[21:05] <claptrap> Oh, Google FINALLY found something for me.
[21:05] <BUGabundo> claptrap: what WM?
[21:06] <claptrap> BUGabundo: Turns out an applet in cairo-dock was doing it.
[21:06] <BUGabundo> DOH
[21:06] <claptrap> BUGabundo: Clipper, to be precise.
[21:14] <Maletor> So neither solution worked BUGabundo
[21:15] <Maletor> This is pretty annoying. Why does ubuntu alternate throw a fatal error upon not finding CD drivers!
[21:15] <Maletor> I am on a USB!
[21:15] <mfraz74> would i file a bug against gnome-panel or the indicator applet?
[21:22] <Maletor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/552022
[21:23] <sayers> I'm having X give me a fatal server error : no screens found. I've ran nvidia-xconfig and that hasn't fixed it.
[21:27] <BUGabundo_WC> eeewwww
[21:27] <BUGabundo_WC> anyone here with a laptop and multimedia keys to turn the screen of?
[21:28] <BUGabundo_WC> confirm me this:
[21:28] <BUGabundo_WC> do you need to press it twice to work?
[21:28] <holstein> BUGabundo_WC: not off
[21:28] <holstein> but the brightness works
[21:28] <holstein> one press
[21:29] <BUGabundo_WC> holstein: yeah all my other keys work
[21:29] <BUGabundo_WC> but to turn the LCD lamp off I *always* need to press it twice
[21:29] <holstein> strange
[21:32] <sayers> Does anyone have a clue in fixing a no screen found x error
[21:34] <claptrap> sayers: http://superuser.com/questions/63759/no-gui-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-9-10-boots-to-command-line
[21:35] <BUGabundo_WC> claptrap: please keep lucid info on official channels! 3rd party are usually very missinformed and badly updated
[21:37] <claptrap> BUGabundo_WC: That's what Google turns up; something to try is better than nothing at all, especially when nobody else is offering anything.
[21:38] <bjsnider> claptrap, actually doing nothing at all is usually best
[21:39] <claptrap> I'll keep that in mind the next time I see someone not getting any help. /=
[21:40] <deanus> Cant connect to wifi anymore..  Just tries and tries and then gives the ssid/password box again, and again.. worked fine before, and works fine in karmic..
[21:41] <dupondje> what tool gives the popup thats power is to low, and needs to shutdown ?
[21:42] <charlie-tca> dupondje: gnome-power-manager ?
[21:53] <Ahren_The_Magus> Fascinating...Lucid won't install on my laptop directly, no matter what I do, but it seems to be installing just fine within a session of VirtualBox.  Is it possible to copy the install from within VirtualBox once it's installed, and port it out as an ISO to install manually onto a matching partition I have sitting on my hard drive that is going unused?
[21:53] <Jaymac> I've got dependency hell - no gnome-panel :(
[21:53] <Jaymac> plus most of ubuntu-desktop uninstalled itself
[21:54] <yofel> Jaymac: we're just updating from gnome-2.29 to 2.30, please don't update right now
[21:54] <yofel> it *will* break
[21:54] <Jaymac> yofel, I got caught out... not too worried
[21:54] <Jaymac> yofel, i guess everything should be up in a few hours?
[21:55] <rww> this is why you don't do partial/dist-upgrades ;P
[21:55] <yofel> Jaymac: more like tomorrow or so
[21:55] <Jaymac> rww, nah, I was stupid and ran a bash shortcut with an assume-yes flag
[21:55] <Jaymac> bash shortcut upgrade*
[21:56] <Jaymac> serious brain lapse :)
[21:56] <billybigrigger_> yofel, maybe someone should throw that in the topic
[21:56] <billybigrigger_> the whole gnome merging and DO  NOT update bit
[21:56] <yofel> hm
[21:56] <yofel> crimsun: ping?
[21:56] <billybigrigger_> yofel, btw...hello :P
[21:56] <yofel> hi to you too billybigrigger_ :D
[21:57] <Jaymac> yofel, thanks for info... will check back later tonight and again tomorrow am
[21:57] <rww> yofel: There are quite a few people in #ubuntu-ops that could help with topic changes, too.
[21:57] <yofel> rww: if you know them ok, I don't really want to summon all ops for this
[21:58] <rww> They won't mind. I'll go poke them for you :)
[21:58] <yofel> thx :)
[21:58] <Ahren_The_Magus> Repeating my question: ﻿Is it possible to copy the (apparently installing just fine Lucid) install from within VirtualBox once it's finished installed, and port it out as an ISO to install manually onto a matching partition I have sitting on my hard drive that is going unused (since Lucid seems incapable of installing in the usual manner on my laptop?
[21:59] <boredomist> Hey guys, hopefully simple question: I set visual effects to extra via Appearance Preferences, but everytime I log in after, it reverts to "none". Don't really know what other info to provide besides that, but suggestions?
[21:59] <yofel> Ahren_The_Magus: don't think so, where does the install fail?
[21:59] <billybigrigger_> Ahren_The_Magus, your going to need the exact same hardware as your vm
[21:59] <billybigrigger_> kind of seems impossible to me
[21:59] <Oxymoron> yofel: Just have to say, but you know my video problem it still doesnt work :D
[22:01] <Oxymoron> yofel: kde, xserver, nvidia, xine, mplayer, gstreamer, compiz is tested and removed ~/.kde as well and still didnt work :P COuld be some kind of bug, I saw a bug with Cairo dock conflicts with QT and all mutimedia players is affected but VLC has posted a patch, other apps have not.
[22:01] <yofel> heh
[22:01] <Ahren_The_Magus> yofel: I cannot recall off the top of my head, tried to install Beta 1 the day it came out, and I was so frustrated with it that I gave up.
[22:01] <freaky[t]> after upgrading to the beta version the gui login hangs. if i press enter it doesnt show the password prompt. instead it shows the same screen again ...
[22:02] <Ahren_The_Magus> billybigrigger_: Ouch...ok, and it can't adjust after the fact to the new hardware?
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> Ahren_The_Magus, well i just installed the beta1 cd yesterday...no hiccups here
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> Ahren_The_Magus, what sort of install problems did you encounter?
[22:03] <billybigrigger_> i can assure you that you DONT want to take the route your thinking of
[22:03] <yofel> Ahren_The_Magus: much has been fixed (and broken again) since then, try a daily image or beta2 (comes out in ~1week)
[22:05] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:06] <yofel> seems like KDE updates will be broken too, they're uploading 4.4.2
[22:06] <Oxymoron> yofel: Haha lol :D
[22:06] <bjsnider> is the ubuntu font done yet?
[22:09] <billybigrigger_> is there still no way to use flash without ndiswrapper?
[22:09] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Ubuntu font? :P
[22:09] <rww> ubottu: flash64 | billybigrigger_
[22:10] <penguin42> billybigrigger_: You mean nspluginwrapper
[22:10] <penguin42> but as ubottu/rww  says - you don't need it any more
[22:10] <rww> thankfully
[22:10] <rww> nspluginwrapper and I aren't friends :(
[22:10] <billybigrigger_> jeez
[22:10] <billybigrigger_> someone around here is still suggesting it
[22:11] <c001os> hi
[22:11] <c001os> i have a question
[22:11] <c001os> how can i set up in lucid to show text during boot?
[22:11] <billybigrigger_> just ask away bud, no need to ask to ask
[22:11] <c001os> :)
[22:11] <c001os> ok
[22:12] <joli> c001os: You can remove the option in grub
[22:12] <c001os> it is the quiet option?:
[22:12] <yofel> c001os: edit /etc/default/grub and remove 'quiet splash' and run update-grub after that
[22:12] <joli> the splash
[22:12] <c001os> thx a lot
[22:12] <c001os> i will do that
[22:14] <c001os> i have noticed that sometimes when i start my lucid system the evolution-alarm cause 100% cpu usage
[22:15] <c001os> somebody has expereience about that?
[22:15] <kklimonda> c001os: it may be related to gnome-keyring, hard to tell without stacktrace
[22:15] <Oxymoron> c001os: I have noticed sometimes that CPU goes like superhigh sometimes but not by evolution-alarm I think.
[22:15] <c001os> evolution-alarm-notyfi
[22:15] <c001os> aha
[22:16] <c001os> the i will digg in launchpad
[22:16] <c001os> thx for the infos
[22:16] <c001os> good night boys
[22:18] <dooglus> I keep getting "mount error(111): Connection refused" when attempting to smbmount a directory shared by another ubuntu 10.04 server here
[22:18] <dooglus> it worked until yesterday
[22:21] <Gaming4JC> Hey guys, I want to know where I can beg, grovel, and plea for an utmost important package to be included on the Lucid Live CD.  ^^
[22:22] <dooglus> Gaming4JC: anywhere you like.  won't make any difference though
[22:22] <Gaming4JC> I know... who besides the MOTU are the masterminds behind not including packages?
[22:22] <Gaming4JC> :P
[22:23] <rww> Gaming4JC: you realize that feature freeze was a while ago, yes?
[22:23] <Gaming4JC> hmm no I missed out on that I'm afraid.
[22:23] <yofel> !schedule | Gaming4JC
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> Gaming4JC, and what is this "utmost important package"?
[22:23] <kklimonda> Gaming4JC: what package are you talking about?
[22:24] <Gaming4JC> gnome-ppp, and if not gnome-ppp at VERY least PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE include "wvdial" this is just so I can connect.
[22:24] <Gaming4JC> :)
[22:24] <Gaming4JC> 93million americans, including myself, still use dial-up.
[22:24] <yofel> I would agree on wvdial actually...
[22:25] <kklimonda> heh
[22:25] <Gaming4JC> Most distros come with wvdial, I've no idea why ubuntu doesn't.
[22:26] <Gaming4JC> How do you expect people who have dial-up to get online seriously? Without borrowing a windows box and going on a packages.ubuntu.com dependency hunt. :D
[22:26] <Gaming4JC> lolz
[22:26] <kklimonda> Gaming4JC: it's the same with all the people who are using various dsl
[22:27]  * Gaming4JC would think it logical that a mere 500kb be added to the livecd to resolve the issue...
[22:28] <yofel> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/20814/ has been there for a while...
[22:28]  * rww ponders "pppubuntu"
[22:28] <kklimonda> there is ppp though so you can use it ;)
[22:28] <Gaming4JC> I also submitted several other requests myself on brainstorm, doesn't seem to help though as each new release simply ignores it.
[22:29] <Gaming4JC> and ppp is nearly impossible to use
[22:29] <Gaming4JC> wvdial at least makes it human readable. :P
[22:29] <kklimonda> it has been removed from CD at some point
[22:29] <Gaming4JC> gnome-ppp makes it "Linux for Human Beings" but I kinda doubt "anyone other than cavemen use dial-up" anymore anyway. ;)
[22:30] <billybigrigger_> anyone here familiar with ruby? how do i run a ruby script? .rb
[22:30] <Gaming4JC> yah and it was soooo lame, seems to have occured at Hardy Heron
[22:30] <Gaming4JC> the gnome-network-manager used to support dial-up very much like gnome-ppp
[22:30] <arand> Gaming4JC: brainstorm... file feature requests as bug reports on launchpad instead, or discuss om mailing list.
[22:30] <kklimonda> Gaming4JC: it's not really developed anyway from what I can tell
[22:30] <Gaming4JC> then they ditched it and dropped all dependencies for an epic fail.
[22:30] <kklimonda> neither it is maintained
[22:31] <kklimonda> well, there has been a 1.61 release at some point but the package has been abandoned 2 years ago by debian developer
[22:31] <deegen> billybigrigger_: Does "ruby [scriptname]" do anything?
[22:31] <yofel> arand: there is a whishlist bug about including wvdial...
[22:31] <billybigrigger_> sudo: ./flashpolicyd.rb: command not found
[22:31] <billybigrigger_> flashpolicyd.rb exists
[22:32] <deegen> ruby flashpolicyd.rb
[22:32] <arand> yofel: ah, fair enough, Gaming4JC: then make sure to push for a blueprint for inclusion in Lucid+1 ;)
[22:33] <Gaming4JC> arand: Thanks for the tip. :D
[22:33] <Gaming4JC> arand: Just file it as a bug in package wvdial right?
[22:33] <yofel> bug 400573, I'm clueless though where we have to forward that to though
[22:34] <Gaming4JC> Hmm... don't suppose I need to put it in the database then
[22:35] <Gaming4JC> just get some one to look at it since it's already requested
[22:35] <Gaming4JC> lol
[22:35] <kklimonda> Gaming4JC: you should ask first why has it been dropped from the cd
[22:36] <Gaming4JC> Where would I ask that? #ubuntu-motu?
[22:36] <kklimonda> try on #ubuntu-devel
[22:36] <Gaming4JC> k
[22:41] <bsmith093> what packages do i need to install to enabke bluetooth sharing
[22:41] <bsmith093> i hsve a usb bluetooth adapter plugged in
[22:41] <bsmith093> but it says i need to install some packages to use bluetooth sharing service
[23:01] <crimsun> yofel: yes?
[23:03] <cryingfreeman> In Lucid, the version of chpasswd does not support the '--encrypted' switch anymore. Is there any other way to use an already-encrypted-password from the command line as in 'echo "demo:$DEMOPW" | chpasswd --encrypted' ?
[23:03] <yofel> crimsun: thanks
[23:15]  * penguin42 assumes there is no real change from the pre-release stuff currently in lucid anyway
[23:16] <pitwalker> nobody surprised when this occured: https://launchpad.net/bugs/360378
[23:16] <pitwalker> good night
[23:16] <EvilEpoch> Hello all
[23:16] <EvilEpoch> I m having a problem in gnome where the window options  min , max , close show up on the left side of the window
[23:16] <EvilEpoch> I think I read something about this being a bug but I couldn't find the link
[23:17] <EvilEpoch> again at least...
[23:17] <rww> ubottu: currentissues | EvilEpoch
[23:17] <EvilEpoch> haha
[23:17] <EvilEpoch> well, having it on the left side is a horrible idea!
[23:18] <danopia> ohi
[23:18] <penguin42> heck, they've had a lot of feedback....
[23:18] <danopia> i tried upgrading a wubi ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 and it said it "could not calculate the upgrade" in the "setting new software channels" step, after it does something abuot the package manager and uses a bit of CPU. is this common?
[23:18] <danopia> does it have to do with "don't upgrade yet" in the topic
[23:19] <rww> danopia: yes
[23:20] <EvilEpoch> I like the authors personal preference of having the close on the right and the min max on the left
[23:20] <EvilEpoch> that'd be better imo
[23:20] <lullabud> i am rather amazed at how much backlash that left-side switch is getting.
[23:20] <BUGabundo_sofa> lullabud: why?
[23:20] <EvilEpoch> I thought it was some weird bug
[23:20] <lullabud> a lot of gnome themes have had left-side buttons
[23:20] <BUGabundo_sofa> all past UI changes got them too
[23:21] <lullabud> i remember back in RH 5.x there were tons of left-side themes
[23:21] <EvilEpoch> the first time I saw it
[23:21] <BUGabundo_sofa> Update Manager
[23:21] <BUGabundo_sofa> notify-OSD
[23:21] <EvilEpoch> only OS X has it on the left, while I use OS X a lot
[23:21] <EvilEpoch> I got used to Gnome having it on the right
[23:21] <BUGabundo_sofa> GDM
[23:21] <BUGabundo_sofa> ohh so many
[23:22] <BUGabundo_sofa> EvilEpoch: the good thing: you can change it
[23:22] <EvilEpoch> yeah thats another thing, where do you change it
[23:22] <EvilEpoch> I've been looking and there was no super obvious place to change it
[23:23] <rww> gconf-editor >.>
[23:23]  * rww doesn't have the instructions handy
[23:23] <lullabud> i think they should move it back to the right.  an OS should be usable to the majority out of the box, and it sounds to me like the majority wants it on the right.
[23:23] <lullabud> still, it was alarming how big of an issue it was.
[23:23] <lullabud> is
[23:23] <rww> lullabud: sabdfl contentds that design isn't a democracy
[23:24] <rww> contends **
[23:25] <lullabud> rww: i agree, design is not a democracy, otherwise brilliant design ideas wouldn't have the "huh... i wonder why i never thought of that" reaction.
[23:25] <rww> I tend to use window managers that don't have title bars, so... ;)
[23:30] <lullabud> rww: oh come on, tell me you don't just *love* the toolbars here - http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/X11/kde-apps/themes/ktheme_wasp_big.jpg
[23:30] <lullabud> holy hell we've come a long way...
 a lot of gnome themes have had left-side buttons
[23:31] <danopia> i remember xfce let you reorganize them yourself
[23:31] <lullabud> makes sense
[23:31] <rww> danopia: xfce and kde both do. gnome doesn't have that tool.
[23:32] <danopia> so when shuold the upgrade work
[23:40] <avis> i wish to be free from the plague that is itunes.  crimsun was trying to help me earlier he told me to do a couple things, all the details for my CMI8788 card is in this pastebin  http://pastebin.com/DT5v7nAq
[23:42] <penguin42> hey if it's an audio problem I defer to crimsun
[23:42] <avis> thank you
[23:42] <avis> hopefully he'll see i came back.  i took the card out of that dreaded windows 7 box.
[23:45] <Lamo> i just wanted to say this new mofo boots insanely fast! I can reboot my crappy laptop in what seems like around 3 mins! Cant wait to install it on my desktop which has a SSD.
[23:45] <avis> have those come down in price significantly ?
[23:46] <avis> sure would be nice to find a small cheap one that i can put swap and / on.
[23:49] <ZykoticK9> avis, putting swap on an SSD will certainly shorten it's life expectancy greatly
[23:49]  * penguin42 went the other way and just bought a 1TB disc and installed linux on the 1st 10% to keep the seek times low
[23:52] <Lamo> i got my 32GB SSD for $130USD
[23:52] <Lamo> then i use a 500GB slave for media
[23:53] <avis> ZykoticK9, so something that would hold / would be good, if you have a larger hard drive for data ?
[23:53] <avis> i guess a 15gb ssd would work
[23:54] <ZykoticK9> avis, you can certainly put swap onto an SSD if you wish - just realize the SSD have a limited number of writes before the drive is dead - and swap gets lots of writes and therefore will wear the drive out quickly
[23:54] <avis> right now that i know that i wont do that much.  but i think just putting / on it would be great, and /home on my normal drive
[23:55] <Lamo> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609331 this one
[23:55] <BUGabundo_sofa> who needs swaps these days?
[23:55] <BUGabundo_sofa> I got 4 and 8 GB of RAM
[23:57] <lullabud> avis: given that RAM is cheaper than SSD, you might as well buy more RAM and "swap" to that... that is, don't swap.  assuming your hardware supports the expansion size.
[23:58] <lullabud> unless you need like 100gb of swap.
[23:58] <swoody> or you could setup swap in tmpfs (ramdisk) ;)
[23:58] <avis> i have 4gb of ram
[23:58] <lullabud> avis: what's your max?
[23:58] <avis> maybe 8
[23:59] <avis> i'm not a memory hungry user, but if it would speed things up ?
[23:59] <lullabud> avis: swap definitely will slow things down.
[23:59] <avis> so i could go for 8gb and then not have swap.  makes sense
[23:59] <penguin42> a little swap can be good; it lets the OS swap out stuff you just aren't using to use that last drop of RAM for useful stuff