rickspencer3seb128, on balance I decided it was best to revert the "don't show user list" checkbox00:05
rickspencer3robert_ancell agreed00:05
rickspencer3(well agreed to do it at least ;) )00:05
robert_ancellrickspencer3, sure did00:05
seb128rickspencer3, you are good at convincing other people well you want something ;-)00:06
rickspencer3seb128, we should work with tweakubuntu guys or what not00:07
rickspencer3put some rich gdm settings in there for people who want them00:07
rickspencer3and help them do it properly00:07
rickspencer3what do you think seb128?00:07
seb128not discussing that00:07
seb128I think that's a nice goal00:08
rickspencer3(I was thinking for 10.10 of course)00:08
seb128but I also think that we should not rely on that00:08
seb128if those settings are useful to tweak they should be in gdmsetup as we discussed at the lucid uds00:09
seb128looking for random apps in the universe is something 90% of users will not do00:09
seb128that's orthogonal to what we do with the option now in lucid btw00:09
arand(Regarding featured apps) ...was noticing that stellarium, fretsonfire and moovida are quite unusable without 3D support. Stellarium I think might be motivated a bit by it's sheer awesomeness, but a media center shouldn't really need 3D right? And for fretsonfire... well the 3D it has isn't really the most exciting, suggestion is armagetronad instead, which runs quite ok, both on nouveau & virtualbox as far as I've tested.00:09
robert_ancellarand, how bad is moovida without 3d?00:10
arandAs far as I can tell, _very_00:10
RAOFDoes it work at all?  I thought it used a clutter-like toolkit.00:11
robert_ancelldoesn't clutter work fine in noveaux?00:11
RAOFNot unless you install from xorg-edgers.  We're not supporting 3D for lucid.00:12
arandhttp://www.moovida.com/wiki/MinimalHardwareRequirements opengl, pixel shader...00:13
arandrobert_ancell: On my nouveau system here it also goes whacko with incorrect resolution (only using one corner), all videos are in black-and white, the videos are actually watchable (compared to the interface), although rather choppy.00:22
robert_ancellseb128, so many 2.30 tarballs :)00:49
seb128robert_ancell, yes00:50
seb128robert_ancell, do you want to do some?00:50
robert_ancellseb128, I will if I can find the time.00:50
rickspencer3bug #54080100:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540801 in plymouth "X server starts before Plymouth, or a very short time after (no or brief splash)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54080100:52
rickspencer3so basically, starting up too fast to even display a splashscreen00:53
kklimondarickspencer3: well, the problem is users see a blinking cursor while ureadahead is working01:26
rickspencer3kklimonda, yes, the situation is quite sub-optimal01:27
rickspencer3but I like the "starting too fast" part01:27
rickspencer3that part is a good problem to have01:28
kklimondatrue :)01:28
rickspencer3sound indicator and sound settings have been acting weird all day01:29
kklimondarickspencer3: do you know how much overhead does moving plymouth to initrd add?01:29
rickspencer3kklimonda, no idea01:29
rickspencer3plymouth and boot and such, is managed by foundations team01:29
rickspencer3so I don't track it too much01:30
rickspencer3though keybuk is generally very responsive and open if you have questions for him01:30
kklimondaI guess you already have enough on your plate :)01:30
rickspencer3I would say that was true if I did any real work01:31
rickspencer3I'm more of the pointy haired type of manager01:31
rickspencer3 ;)01:31
kklimondaoh, come on - I can see you all the time cracking this whip of yours ;)01:31
rickspencer3also, I trust keybuk totally01:31
rickspencer3he really would not benefit in any way from me "helping" him :)01:31
kklimondaheh, he does seem to do quite a lot :)01:32
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kenvandinerickspencer3, check this out02:17
kenvandine2010-03-29 21:14:00,298 - Gwibber GNOME Client - INFO - Running from the system path02:17
kenvandine2010-03-29 21:14:00,716 - Gwibber Service - INFO - Running from the system path02:17
kenvandine2010-03-29 21:14:01,009 - Gwibber Dispatcher - DEBUG - Setting up monitors02:17
kenvandine2010-03-29 21:14:01,189 - Gwibber Dispatcher - DEBUG - Monitors are up02:17
kenvandinelook at the times, the first line is when i launched the client02:17
kenvandinethe last is when the service is fully up02:17
brycehsweet, congrats02:20
RAOFHeh.  Good to see my decision not to fix gnome-keyring-sharp on-top of the secrets DBus api.  A lot of the calls go to org.gnome.keyring.InternalUnsupportedGuiltRiddenInterface :)02:26
kenvandineyay... and 1.7s on cold cache02:36
lifelesswhat is ?02:54
kenvandinelifeless, gwibber-service startup02:59
kenvandineincluding desktopcouch startup :)03:00
kenvandinelifeless, all those performance issues were in desktopcouch03:11
lifelessso, I have to see if gwibber will run for me, again.03:13
desrtso, the beta looks pretty slick03:15
rickspencer3kenvandine, chouette!03:22
rickspencer3kenvandine, ppa?03:22
kenvandinelucid :)03:24
rickspencer3hi desrt, thanks03:24
kenvandinerickspencer3, uploaded like 20m ago03:24
rickspencer3kenvandine, if you're around, let me know when it builds and I'll try it out for you03:25
rickspencer3kenvandine, oh, it's in lucid already?03:25
rickspencer3kenvandine, what's with the 416 ms to startup the server?03:29
rickspencer3shouldn't that be like half of that?03:29
rickspencer3robert_ancell, seb128 made a good point to me about options for GDM in 10.1003:31
rickspencer3that we probably had a good list for 10.04 UDS, and should stick with that list in 10.1003:32
robert_ancell*sigh* ;)03:35
desrt63.5 seconds to the desktop03:38
desrt(48.5 seconds to boot, 15 seconds to login)03:38
desrtseems a bit short of the 10 seconds mark :p03:39
desrtrickspencer3: does yahoo give revenue for every time i search using them?03:40
desrtrickspencer3: or is having them as the default sort of a flat-rate deal?03:40
rickspencer3desrt, I don't know03:40
rickspencer3and 63.5 seconds?03:40
rickspencer3that sounds quite dire03:40
desrtyes.  i'm shocked.03:40
desrti think there may be something wrong with X03:40
rickspencer3something is deeply wrong03:40
rickspencer3at least it'03:40
rickspencer3s booting thoguh03:40
desrtit seems to get stuck at a certain point for quite a while03:41
desrtalthough, fwiw it takes it about 15-20 seconds to even get to *that* point03:41
rickspencer3that is very odd03:41
rickspencer3would be nice to know what is wrong though03:42
rickspencer3desrt, I don't suppose you'd be interested in setting up a boot chart and all this?03:42
desrtwell, one thing that is slightly odd is that i'm using my laptop with external monitors at the moment03:42
desrtsince the screen is broken03:42
desrtbut i ordered the replacement part from IBM03:42
desrtand it should be here in a couple of days03:42
desrtwill be interesting to see if it gets better then03:42
desrtis there some wiki page telling me how to setup a bootchart?03:42
rickspencer3desrt, probably03:43
* rickspencer3 looks03:43
* desrt runs some upgrades03:43
desrtthere's new xorg stuff in here.  maybe it fixes it.03:44
* desrt sees the .0s of a lot of gtk/gnome stuff in here. sweet.03:47
rickspencer3desrt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootCharting03:48
rickspencer3^ in case it doesn't "fix itself"03:48
* rickspencer3 suspects the external monitor is causing the problem03:48
desrtrickspencer3: do you know what the procedure for getting a new wireless phone carrier listed in network manager for this release would be?03:48
desrtwe have quite a new company in canada that's not in there03:48
desrtand they're quite popular among the hipster young crowd03:48
rickspencer3desrt, I forget the exact procedure, but if you ask chriscoulson and/or asac, they'll help you with that03:49
desrti'd file a bug but i have to assume it wouldn't be looked at until it's too late :)03:49
rickspencer3I think it's kind of crowd source thing03:49
rickspencer3desrt, I don't know03:49
rickspencer3I think the list may be extensible03:49
rickspencer3and it's not a new feature, and it's before final freeze03:49
desrti'm thinking of heading over to one of their stores03:50
rickspencer3so I wouldn't assume that it won't be taken, but I wouldn't promise either03:50
desrtand talking to one of their reps about all the plans they have03:50
desrtthe APNs, etc03:50
rickspencer3I bought a 3g card that wasn't listed in the NM, and it wasn't hard to set up03:50
desrti think they only have 3 or 4 data plans at this point so it should be fairly easy03:50
desrtbut they use different APNs, i think03:51
desrtweird to see that the kernel version only bumped by 0.0.1 this whole cycle03:53
rickspencer3kernel seems very solid to me this release03:54
rickspencer3and sound worked well for me until today's update :/03:54
rickspencer3still words but the GUI is all out of whack03:54
desrtpulse was getting on my nerves this past month or so03:54
desrtevolution has been taken off the panel.03:55
rickspencer3RAOF, I've been using f-spot, so finding some good bugs for you, like bug #55138403:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551384 in f-spot "Using "Save As" without a file name causes f-spot save as dialog to hang" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55138403:56
ccheneyanyone else having problems with evolution not running?03:56
ccheneyit seems to run for me but immediately crash03:56
lifelessworking for me ATM03:57
lifelessccheney: run it from a console03:57
lifelessyou should get some output03:57
ccheneyah lots of updates today maybe i need some of them03:57
lifelessbefore yuo change things03:57
lifelessrun it from a terminal03:57
lifelessdo this:03:57
lifelessevolution --force-shutdown03:57
ccheneyseems to work this time, but didn't the past few times i ran it :-\03:58
rickspencer3ccheney, wfm03:59
ccheneyrickspencer3: yea wfm now too, not sure what was going on before03:59
lifelessccheney: next time, console as the first step04:00
lifelessdon't do the --force-shutdown initially, because it can 'fix' things if you have a hung eds etc04:00
ccheneylifeless: ah ok04:00
lifelessevolution needs a pick-axe04:01
lifelessand about 6 months of nothing but cleanups and rationalisation04:01
lifelessthen the lovely core of it might shine through.04:01
RAOFrickspencer3: Awesome :)04:11
rickspencer3RAOF, much nicer to find these *before* final freeze, huh?04:13
RAOFMost assuredly!04:13
RAOFFeel free to keep assigning me f-spot bugs.  I likes me a good list.04:15
rickspencer3RAOF, will do04:16
rickspencer3RAOF, it really is much better for cropping screenshots than using the gimp04:16
rickspencer3has saved me a lot of time04:16
RAOFGood to hear :)04:16
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desrtrickspencer3: http://imgur.com/LEEEA04:26
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desrtrickspencer3: Xorg starts at the 20s mark04:26
rickspencer3desrt, yeah, I'm not too good at reading this ...04:27
desrtthen does a whole lot of nothing for the next 25 seconds...04:27
rickspencer3but it looks like your desktop it taking a whole lot of time to load up04:27
rickspencer3oh ewe04:27
rickspencer3desrt, may I impose on you to log a bug?04:27
desrtsure.  i can do that04:28
desrtis there someone in specific that i should talk to about this?04:28
rickspencer3seems like probably the best way to get it in front of people who would know04:28
rickspencer3desrt, yes, keybuk, I think04:28
desrtwhat product do i file against, exactly?04:28
rickspencer3at least he can tell you if it's related to boot or just the desktop04:28
desrtof note: i don't see any sort of bootsplash at all04:28
rickspencer3desrt, sure xorg-xserver(ubuntu) would be fine to start04:29
desrtjust some message about fsck being OK04:29
rickspencer3desrt, there is bug #540801 about boot splash not showing04:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540801 in plymouth "X server starts before Plymouth, or a very short time after (no or brief splash)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54080104:29
rickspencer3but that comes with a *fast* boot time04:29
desrtannyoingly, Xorg.log doesn't contain timestamps :(04:32
desrtoo.  i have a theory.04:33
desrtthis may not be much of a bug....04:34
brycehI really doubt it is X04:36
brycehthere is a patch to turn on timestamping in the Xorg.0.log files04:37
brycehhowever I found it tended not to be that useful04:37
desrtok ya.  you guys can't possibly be expected to fix this problem04:38
desrtand yes -- it was X04:38
desrtas i said -- my laptop screen is broke04:39
brycehdesrt, how do you know it is X?04:39
desrtso i detached the screen until i get the part to replace it04:39
desrtit's a tablet04:39
rickspencer3oh my04:39
brycehpeople say stuff is X all the time, but it usually ends up being either the kernel or a client-side issue04:39
desrtthe 30 second pause is it repeatedly trying to initialise the wacom driver and failing04:39
desrtfor obvious reasons...04:39
rickspencer3so the fact that it booted at all is pretty cool ;)04:39
desrtremove the wacom driver .so file and it's fine04:39
desrtboots in about 20 seconds04:39
desrtalthough now X randomly crashes on login04:40
brycehdesrt, ok, file against -wacom04:40
desrtnot sure what that's about :)04:40
desrt(II) intel(0): Allocate new frame buffer 2400x1920 stride 243204:40
desrtFatal server error:04:40
desrtFailed to submit batchbuffer: No space left on device04:40
desrthm.  that's unhappy.04:41
lifelessspecial :>04:46
* desrt finally gets X to randomly not crash04:52
desrta pair of bugs this evening, it seems :)04:52
* desrt sobs as it looks like a "timeout error" on launchpad just ate his entire report >:|04:59
desrtmeh.  bed time, i think05:00
* desrt tries again tomorrow. nite!05:00
TheMusopitti: Can't reproduce the at-spi race any more. Strange, will look into it again if it pops up again.06:42
pittiGood morning07:06
pittikklimonda: for PPU, about two endorsements should be fine07:07
pittirobert_ancell: gnome-color-manager> does it follow the GNOME release cycle, freezes, and release management?07:07
pittiTheMuso: yay Heisenbugs..07:08
robert_ancellpitti, yes, afaik.  it's not an official module (yet) though07:09
robert_ancellpitti, is that the criteria for the freeze exception?07:10
pittirobert_ancell: if it's following GNOME freezes and RM, it's fine to upload; it should meet our feature freeze conditions then07:10
tjaaltondesrt: wacom 0.10.5 should make the init faster07:10
pittirobert_ancell: yes, pretty much07:10
* robert_ancell makes a mental not to make sure all his projects meet the gnome requirements :)07:10
* pitti -> doctor appointment, bbl07:46
didrocksgood morning08:12
seb128hello everybody08:36
didrockshey seb128, how are you? not too tired?08:37
seb128hey didrocks, not that's ok08:37
RAOFGood evening seb128 :)08:37
seb128good evening RAOF08:37
didrocksseb128: it's ok too there ;)08:38
seb128how was the dinner with your editors?08:38
didrocksseb128: it was good, thanks. It's been a long time I didn't see him and a lot of goodness coming :)08:41
didrocksseb128: and you, sport? ;)08:41
seb128didrocks, quite good before starting the second day work shift :p08:42
didrocksseb128: yeah, I saw, you was getting to bed late :/08:43
didrocksseb128: you know, I guess some cacn wait for tomorrow now that I'm there to help you :)08:43
seb128right, as usual I'm not tired on week start08:43
seb128yeah, I went to bed with a small stack of tarballs left to update08:44
didrocksseb128: so, you can rely more on me and enjoy some ealier evening :)08:45
seb128didrocks, there is enough work for both of us don't worry08:46
seb128and I blame vuntz for rolling tarball after the timeline too08:46
didrocksseb128: oh you know, I don't worry for that ^^08:46
didrocksyeah, it's fun to see vuntz claiming "come on, give me your tarball" on GNOME ML08:46
didrocksI finish fixing Quickly FTBFS (forgot to add gnome-doc-utils for l10n) and I'm back on the field :)08:48
seb128ok good08:48
seb128vuntz, hey08:50
seb128vuntz, g-d-u has a 2.30.1 tarball08:50
seb128not sure why it's on your list08:51
seb128oh good08:52
seb128robert_ancell has been helping with updates08:52
didrocksright :)08:53
seb128didrocks, doing the gnome-panel tomboy libgweather tarballs now08:53
seb128didrocks, there is quite some others, let me know if you want names08:53
didrocksseb128: I can do gnome-menus, gnome-themes, gtk-engines? does this sound right?08:55
* seb128 hugs didrocks08:55
* didrocks hugs seb12808:55
didrockspitti: gnome-menus bzr is still UNRELEASED for 2.29.92-0ubuntu5 (and it's been uploaded). Not sure if you just forgot to push the released version or if you change/added something. Want for this one09:08
asacchrisccoulson on vac?09:10
asacoh its 10 am only ... ignore then ;)09:10
seb128asac, in what timezone are you?09:12
seb128asac, is there any chance you unblock us for updates you say you would be today for a week now?09:12
seb128asac, beta2 freeze is soon and we delay getting things which should have landed weeks ago which is a real issue now09:13
baptistemmasac, hi, could you review and test bug 534702 if you some free time09:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534702 in bluez "Update bluez to 4.62" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53470209:13
seb128hey pitti09:18
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti09:18
baptistemmhi pitti09:18
pittididrocks: sorry, pushed09:18
pittibonjour mes amis09:19
didrockspitti: no pb, thanks ;)09:19
asacseb128: uploaded nmapplet09:42
seb128asac, thanks09:42
asachad to go through hops because i couldnt upload from here :(09:42
seb128asac, I think chrisccoulson was looking for you about nss yesterday too09:43
asacyes. i wanted to check with him again09:43
asache said it was ready for a week, but every day i waited he found issues  ;)09:44
asacmore important is that security update is coming today for all the stable branches :/09:44
didrocksseb128: doing gedit-plugins and gnome-session09:58
seb128didrocks, thanks09:59
chrisccoulsonhello everyone10:12
* bryceh waves to chrisccoulson10:13
chrisccoulsonhey bryceh, how are you?10:13
brycehhi njpatel, how goes?10:13
brycehchrisccoulson, ok, busy as always10:13
brycehmy wife had a talking to me today for working too much :-P10:13
njpatelbryceh, hey dude, good thanks, and yourself?10:13
brycehbut otoh X seems to be coming along :-)10:14
chrisccoulsonheh, that's ok then ;)10:14
didrockshey chrisccoulson, bryceh10:15
chrisccoulsonhey didrocks10:15
pittihey chrisccoulson, good morning10:15
brycehdon't get married ;-)10:15
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, good morning to you too10:15
brycehheya didrocks10:15
pittibryceh: watch the burnout charts!10:16
brycehpitti, burndown charts?10:17
pittibryceh: that was a slip of the tongue by someone a few months ago, but I liked it10:18
brycehpitti, hehe10:18
brycehI fed my son fruit (applesauce) for the first time today; he absolutely loved it.  He's only had milk and veggies up 'til now10:21
brycehthat was a lot of fun :-)10:21
pittiI'm sure it was all over the place after that :)10:21
chrisccoulsonhow old is he now?10:21
pittibryceh: I'm sure he loved the sugar10:21
brycehhe's a bit over 6 months10:22
brycehpitti, he actually kept it down pretty good.  Some of the veggies have been hard on his system but the apples were fine10:23
brycehpitti, I'm sure you're right about the sugar :-)10:23
brycehhe's been fairly good with the veggies, and it's our goal to really put the main emphasis there.  We held off on fruit specifically so we could get him to enjoy vegetables first10:24
pittibryceh: well, but cooked veggies for sure? raw is much harder to digest10:25
brycehpitti, cooked yes10:29
brycehwe do intend to eventually get him onto pureed veggies (raw or cooked)10:29
brycehmore topically...  bug stats for X.org lookin' good:  http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Graphs/totals.svg10:33
chrisccoulsonbryceh - i think our daughter might be starting to need a little extra in her diet now. she keeps waking up in the night again ;)10:34
didrocksseb128: ok, if you have more updates you think we should do now, do not hesitate :)10:34
chrisccoulsoni was just going to do gedit-plugins and then noticed that you already did it ;)10:34
brycehchrisccoulson, how old is she?10:35
chrisccoulsonbryceh, she's 4 1/2 months now10:35
brycehchrisccoulson, nice :-)10:35
seb128didrocks, hum, sure10:36
seb128didrocks, deskbar-applet pessulus bug-buddy10:36
brycehchrisccoulson, does she fall asleep during feedings?  Our son does, so we poke and prod him to keep him awake enough to get a full feeding before bed.  That makes him sleep a lot longer than when he doesn't10:36
seb128didrocks, or gnome-settings-daemon rather10:36
seb128hey bryceh chrisccoulson10:36
didrocksseb128: ok, on them :)10:37
seb128didrocks, thanks!10:37
didrocksyou're welcome :)10:37
chrisccoulsonbryceh, she does fall asleep sometimes, but we normally try and keep her awake so she gets a full feed10:37
chrisccoulsonhey seb12810:37
seb128chrisccoulson, how are you?10:37
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i'm good thanks, how are you?10:37
seb128chrisccoulson, asac was looking for you before10:37
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks!10:37
chrisccoulsonoh, he was?10:37
chrisccoulsoni saw he uploaded nm-applet now10:38
seb128yeah, I pinged him about that10:38
seb128I think he wanted to talk to you about nss10:38
chrisccoulsonah yes10:38
pittiseb128: objections if I drop ~ubuntu-desktop/notify-osd/ubuntu/ and use lp:ubuntu/notify-osd ?11:09
seb128pitti, I'm not sure about it11:09
seb128I've been tried to ping james_w with question on such changes11:09
seb128but he seems to not be around or I'm in his ignore list or something... ;-)11:10
pitti(it's current, I checked)11:10
pittiseb128: well, if you have some doubts, nevermind11:10
seb128the issue is that dxteam guys merge back for their daily builds, etc11:10
pittino need to waste time on this now11:10
seb128and when we do that we break what they are doing11:10
seb128seems they can't merge from lp:ubuntu...11:10
seb128or rather it's not the same history11:10
pittino, they won't be able to; they'd have to rebase11:10
seb128so I'm wondering if we should overwrite the import with that one11:10
seb128or how to do that11:10
seb128ie decide the ubuntu-desktop is the canonical one11:11
pittiok, I don't think that'd work, because it wouldn't have pristine tarballs in it11:11
pittiseb128: ok, let's not worry about this for now11:11
seb128I prefer to sort that with dx guys clearly11:11
seb128what do you hack on notify-osd btw? ;-)11:12
seb128pitti, be careful don't merge from trunk11:12
pittibug 46140711:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 461407 in notify-osd "guest session doesn't use osd-notify" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46140711:12
seb128pitti, MacSlow has a lucid bzr11:12
pittiseb128: no, just a packaging fix11:12
MacSlowpitti, bzr branch lp:notify-osd/lucid is where the lucid-version of notify-osd lives11:13
brycehhi MacSlow11:14
MacSlowhey bryceh11:14
seb128MacSlow, did you have any chance to look at this gtk change which breaks notify-osd?11:14
seb128MacSlow, hey btw ;-)11:14
pittiMacSlow: do you want me to merge stuff from it? or is that just a general FYI?11:14
pittiMacSlow: oh, und hallo!11:14
MacSlowseb128, yes... I've a quick-fix... but also an idea of a nicer fix... but I've not had time yet to turn to this... although I'm trying hard to get to notify-osd again today11:15
MacSlowpitti, just general info11:15
pitti*phew*, got my +assignedbugs down to 2811:16
MacSlowseb128, the quick-fix being reverting the culprit commit from gtk+ (just really 3 relevant lines of code affecting broken Xservers)... the idea for a better solution is something I need to try in notify-osd (without touching upstream gtk+)11:17
MacSlowseb128, I guess you would like the latter idea to work :)11:17
seb128right, would be nicer11:17
MacSlowseb128, but I still need to investigate it futher11:17
MacSlowseb128, but if all else fails.. would you accept the revert of the upstream gtk+ commit?11:18
seb128MacSlow, I would like to get bratsche's opinion on that before11:18
seb128I would prefer not adding back a gtk crasher just to wokraround a notify-osd bug11:18
seb128even if the crasher is on non standard xservers11:19
MacSlowseb128, it is _not_ a bug in notify-osd11:19
seb128some people do use remote displays, vnc, ...11:19
seb128MacSlow, well seems you are making a wrong assumption about gtk behaviour there no11:19
seb128so ask bratsche if he could have a look at fixing the gtk change to be correct?11:20
MacSlowseb128, the whole issue is within X11 (input) Shape extension11:20
seb128MacSlow, why do you want to change notify-osd if the bug is not there?11:22
MacSlowseb128, it's just to ease you life.11:22
seb128MacSlow, we should rather fix the gtk change if it was wrong11:23
seb128pitti, bug #461407, did you change to commited by error?11:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 461407 in notify-osd "guest session doesn't use osd-notify" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46140711:24
pittiseb128: yes, just reverted it11:24
seb128ok good11:24
seb128I noticed while reading emails11:24
pittiit got accepted faster than I could set it to committed11:24
pittimeh, staging is down11:25
seb128good to see the retracers working btw11:27
pittiit's still grinding, indeed11:28
pittichrisccoulson: so you fixed the fonts thing?11:30
chrisccoulsonpitti - mdeslaur had an updated patch with a couple of things i missed out11:30
chrisccoulsonand it's working great now11:31
* pitti hugs you and mdeslaur11:31
chrisccoulsonso, i've got nice fonts here :)11:31
chrisccoulsonit's great, i can actually sit further back from the screen and i'm still able to read it ;)11:31
pittiupload! upload! upload!11:33
baptistemmI have a fix for bluez apport hook, is it still possible to upload?11:37
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
didrocksseb128: this g-s-d update is really scarry, refresh those patches are just hell :/11:47
seb128didrocks, :-(11:47
seb128I tried to get chrisccoulson to update his notify patch yesterday11:47
seb128but he bailed out of this one11:47
chrisccoulsoni can update it if you like?11:48
seb128didrocks, ^11:48
baptistemmwow, X crash11:48
didrockschrisccoulson: I think I updated it properly, but even with removing it, my multimedia keys don't work11:48
chrisccoulsonthe keys don't work at all, or just the notification?11:49
didrockschrisccoulson: don't work at all, not sure if that comes from g-s-d directly. I'm trying to removing all patches to check11:49
chrisccoulsondidrocks - what does g-s-d say if you run it on the terminal?11:49
chrisccoulson(it might tell you straight away what is wrong)11:50
didrockschrisccoulson: trying that. No --replace switch?11:50
chrisccoulsondidrocks - no, you'll have to stop the existing process first, and run the new one with --no-daemon11:51
didrockschrisccoulson: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:31841): WARNING **: Cannot load plugin 'Touches multimédias' since file '/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-2.0/libmedia-keys.so' cannot be read.11:52
didrocks(the file is there)11:52
didrocksoh undefinied symbol11:52
didrocksok, can have a look there :)11:52
chrisccoulsonyeah, the undefined symbol will be a good clue ;)11:53
* didrocks doesn't understand why we don't have this error on build. Furthemore, all seems well exported and available to the calling function12:03
TheMusoWhen changing gconf settings for the gdm user, what is the best way to change them such that they stick on gdm upgrade?12:03
chrisccoulsondidrocks - which function is it?12:03
didrockschrisccoulson: gsd_osd_notification_show_value12:03
didrocksTheMuso: change with gconftool-2 now that the path has been fixed. It should change your values in ~gdm/.gconf/…12:04
chrisccoulsondo you want me to take a look at it?12:04
didrockschrisccoulson: oh please yes, you should get to it far faster than I, let me push :)12:04
TheMusodidrocks: Ok, would this apply to a casper script setting gconf settings prior to pivoting into the live FS?12:05
didrockschrisccoulson: done. Thank to you :)12:06
didrocksTheMuso: hum, oh, ~gdm/.gconf is for user configuration, not distro change12:06
didrocksTheMuso: right now, xubuntu and mythbuntu are diverting ~gdm/.gconf.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml but that's less than optimal12:07
TheMusodidrocks: yuck12:08
TheMusodidrocks: Right, specifically I want to set some accessibility settings for gdm, and I want to make sure they stick. The proposed solution is mentioned in bug 551515 but I am not sure if that is sane.12:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551515 in casper "[Lucid] need little modify the ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility script with gdm accessibility setting configuration part in Blindness profile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55151512:09
tseliotpitti: I have a change for Jockey's xorg handler too. Can I commit it to both the ubuntu branch and the master branch?12:10
didrocksTheMuso: this is set if people are using the "accessibility option" at start, right?12:11
pittitseliot: please commit to trunk and merge to ubuntu12:11
vuntzdobey: do you plan to do a evolution-webcal tarball for 2.30.0?12:11
TheMusodidrocks: Yes.12:11
tseliotpitti: ok12:11
didrocksTheMuso: I don't know what really gct_gdm does exactly. If it's just a wrapper of gconftool-2 and we know that the daemon is running/can be launched with that (what seemed to worked before), this should be fixed no with my added path12:12
seb128didrocks, you can ignore libidl update12:12
didrocksTheMuso: so, start the live system and check that the accessibility key are available in ~gdm/.gconf/12:12
seb128it's a vuntz thing12:12
seb128there is no code change or translation change12:12
didrocksseb128: ok12:13
seb128not really something worth updating12:13
didrocksright, thanks :)12:13
seb128we can always sync from debian the day they update12:13
TheMusodidrocks: Ok, will have a look tomorrow. Was online this evening and was pointed to this bug.12:13
didrocksseb128: yeah, that's better ;)12:13
didrocksTheMuso: ok, let me know if you have that, but it should be fixed since last week iso :)12:13
TheMusodidrocks: Ok great, thanks.12:14
didrocksTheMuso: you're welcome12:14
chrisccoulsondidrocks - gsd-osd-notification.[c,h] does not get compiled, as it's missing from plugins/common/Makefile.am12:14
chrisccoulsonthat might be the issue ;)12:14
chrisccoulsoni'll fix that now anyway12:14
didrockschrisccoulson: hum, maybe :)12:14
didrockschrisccoulson: strange, didn't see the rejection on that one12:14
didrockschrisccoulson: thanks ;)12:15
chrisccoulsonyou're welcome12:15
seb128didrocks, same for orbit12:16
seb128ignore it12:16
didrocksseb128: ok, should we really do pessulus? we are in sync with debian and they should upload it soon12:16
seb128don't bother if they will do the update12:17
seb128didrocks, don't forget to get lunch!12:21
didrocksseb128: right, I should somethimes put a warning about that :)12:22
didrocksseb128: did you already have yours?12:22
seb128I'm just back12:22
seb128coffee time12:22
didrockscan't get coffee has no more drip coffee :/12:23
didrocksand no Coka 012:23
* didrocks is running out of caffein things12:23
seb128time for shopping!12:23
didrocksyeah, I guess ^^12:23
didrockschrisccoulson: did you push? do you want me to add the Makefile thing (so that I can still test the other patch refresh I've done in g-s-d)?12:26
chrisccoulsondidrocks - i've not pushed yet. i'm just doing another small change so that the non-synchronous notifications correctly update existing notificatiosn12:27
didrockschrisccoulson is unstoppable :)12:27
didrocksseb128: I would do the same for bug-buddy (as we don't activate it in any case), wait for few days to rebase our change in debian if it makes sense to you12:41
seb128didrocks, ok12:42
seb128didrocks, go for lunch, I will have a look to what remains to do while you eat12:43
didrocksseb128: ok, doing that :)12:43
seb128didrocks, enjoy!12:43
didrocksseb128: thanks!12:43
kenvandineseb128, the keyring bug is affecting gwibber and desktopcouch12:44
seb128kenvandine, ok12:44
seb128kenvandine, you are welcome to send a patch my way if you get one ;-)12:44
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pittiseb128: I finally got the apport test suite to work again; I'll have a look at the current amd64 retracer crash12:50
pitti(it keeps crashing on the same bug)12:50
kenvandinepitti, i shaved 9 seconds off the gwibber-service startup time :)12:50
kenvandinedown to .8s, including desktopcouch startup12:51
pittikenvandine: nice! what did you do, rewrite it in vala? :-)12:51
kenvandineall the slowness was desktopcouch12:51
seb128pitti, rock on!12:51
pittiI fixed a couple of things, and now it should succeed again12:52
* pitti goes to lunch while its running12:52
kenvandinethat keyring bug is killing us though12:52
seb128we will get it fixed for lucid12:54
asacpitti: desktopers shouldnt be able to upload firefox12:55
asacpitti: ok talked to colin. understood why its in the seeds for lucid13:04
mdeslaurseb128: to fix dvd playback in lucid, I've updated the farsight plugins patch in gst-plugins-good0.10 with the newer plugins from gst-plugins-bad0.10 0.10.1813:06
mdeslaurseb128: bug 522897 and bug 52290113:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522897 in gstreamer0.10 "DVD Menus are displayed but not clickable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52289713:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522901 in gstreamer0.10 "DVD video playback pauses after ~1s, audio continues" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52290113:06
seb128mdeslaur, hey13:06
seb128I noticed, good catch!13:06
seb128thanks a lot13:06
mdeslaurseb128: would you like to take a look, or can I upload?13:06
seb128how did you found it was due to that?13:06
seb128oh please upload13:06
seb128you got positive feedback on the 2 bugs13:07
seb128the 1 second delay one and the menus not working13:07
mdeslaurseb128: it wasn't me :) someone mentioned it in one of the bugs13:07
mdeslaurseb128: ok, I'll upload, thanks!13:07
seb128mdeslaur, thanks anyway13:07
seb128you rock13:07
* chrisccoulson curses for doing "exit 0" to go back to packaging branch without refreshing and unapplying my quilt patches13:09
didrockschrisccoulson: yeah, it happened to me quite often. Don't bzr bd-do then13:10
didrockscd ../build-area/..… && quilt refresh && cp <youpatch> ..13:11
chrisccoulsondidrocks - too late ;)13:11
chrisccoulsonoh well, i probably won't do that again13:11
* didrocks hugs chrisccoulson, same for me, most of the time :)13:11
didrocksjust "grrr, bzr-do again"13:11
didrocks"oh crap, I could have save it…"13:12
* chrisccoulson hugs didrocks13:12
pittiasac: upload> yes, it was more of a cheering than a request :)13:18
didrocksseb128: when you have some free time, can you can python-quickly-core and python-quickly-common, please?13:19
seb128didrocks, new?13:19
didrocksopsss, s/can/new13:19
seb128do they need to go to main or universe?13:19
seb128didrocks, btw look at the recent g-c-c bugs13:19
seb128didrocks, there is one happening on theme switch which I think might be due to your recent change13:20
seb128it's a crash13:20
didrocksseb128: ok, looking at them13:21
didrocksseb128: they should be kept in universe13:21
seb128didrocks, newed13:24
asacpitti: ? cheering?13:24
didrocksseb128: sweet, thanks ;)13:24
seb128didrocks, btw your replaces version are weird13:25
pittiasac: like "great work, can't wait to see it in lucid"13:25
seb128didrocks, they are newer than your upload13:25
asacpitti: ah :) ok13:25
seb128asac, ie, stop slacking and blocking us :p13:25
* seb128 hugs asac13:25
didrocksseb128: argh, that's because I planned to release 0.4 but rick pushed me to release 0.3.90 sooner and I didn't think about changing that piece :/13:25
* asac hugs all desktopers and in particular seb128 ;)13:26
* pitti hugs back asac13:26
asac.... and pitti of course :)13:27
pittisorry, -EFOCUS13:35
seb128vuntz, hum, your gnome-2-28 webpage is buggy13:40
seb128vuntz, it seems it's listed GNOME 2.30 now13:41
seb128mvo, hey13:42
seb128mvo, how is the vte update going now?13:42
seb128mvo, do you need any help to test it or something?13:42
mvoseb128: no, still sitting in bzr, got caught up with software-center stuff13:43
seb128do you think you will have a slot for it today?13:43
seb128cool, thanks13:44
mvohm, ./.libs/libvte.so: undefined reference to `vte_bg_root_surface'13:51
chrisccoulsondidrocks - ok, g-s-d is working and pushed14:03
chrisccoulsonthe only other patch i refreshed is the autotools one, so you might want to check the other if you haven't done already (although, it is built and working)14:04
nigelbnjpatel, ping14:05
didrockschrisccoulson: sweet! I refreshe the autotools one already, but as you added that to makefile.am back, yeah. the other are refreshed (see changelog ;)). I'll give them a try later14:05
chrisccoulsonexcellent, thanks14:06
chrisccoulsoni'll leave that for you to upload anyway, i can't upload g-s-d ;)14:06
njpatelnigelb, pong14:06
nigelbnjpatel, there was a pitivi version number bug that you had attached a patch.  I'm not sure if its worth a UIFe to get in.  thoughts?14:07
njpatelnigelb, I can't even remember it :/, was there a bug report?14:07
nigelbits bug 31488514:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 314885 in pitivi "Don't show version number in titlebar" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31488514:07
nigelbnjpatel, lol, it was around a month back14:08
nigelbokay 3 months back14:08
vuntzseb128: yeah, side-effect of working on 2.30.014:08
seb128vuntz, you think it will be changed back to watch 2.28 or should I workaround that locally in the scripts be use?14:10
seb128be -> we14:10
njpatelnigelb, ah right :) Yeah, I mean it would make PiTiVi look a bit nicer, and especially as it's on the CD now, that's probably important14:11
vuntzseb128: I'll fix it later14:11
vuntzbut yeah, I'll fix it14:11
seb128vuntz, thank you!14:11
seb128vuntz, how are you otherwise?14:11
nigelbnjpatel, you need a bunch of things then :D Uife, and a new debdiff14:11
njpatelnigelb, it shouldn't have translation consequences as I think pitivi just builds the project name + app-name on the fly14:11
nigelbno, but screenshots might have to be re-done14:11
njpatelnigelb, urgh, I don't have time right now to do that14:11
njpatelnigelb, I'll try and take a look later in the week, but I'm not 100% i'll be able to14:12
nigelbnjpatel, do you want me to take over?14:12
vuntzseb128: good. Having fun with a .0 release :-)14:12
chrisccoulsonpitti - xulrunner-1.9.1 can be demoted to universe can't it? (i can't see any xulrunner-1.9.1-dev reverse build-depends, and there are no binary rdepends in main now either)14:12
seb128vuntz, I noticed ;-)14:13
njpatelnigelb, if you can, that would be great, though I expect it's quite low priority :)14:13
tseliotpitti: any objections to this commit for lp:jockey? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406516/ (it simplifies the code and improves driver detection)14:13
nigelbnjpatel, I was reviewing patches, so I'll just work on getting this one in :)14:13
didrockschrisccoulson: oki, thanks :)14:13
njpatelnigelb, awesome, thanks!14:14
seb128didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/55104814:16
ubottuUbuntu bug 551048 in gnome-control-center "segmentation fault in gnome-appearance-properties" [Undecided,New]14:16
didrocksseb128: yeah, it's on my plate, I saw that. I'm working on it :)14:17
seb128didrocks, excellent, thank you!14:17
didrocksseb128: y/w14:17
pittitseliot: looks fine; so the reasoning is that if xorg.conf doesn't exist, it doesn't necessarily mean that the driver is disabled? (it might be auto-detected)14:18
pittitseliot: if it still passes the test suite, fine for me14:18
djsiegel1kenvandine: hello14:19
tseliotpitti: we're not using autoloading for proprietary drivers, so it should be fine14:19
pittichrisccoulson: hm, it's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt14:19
chrisccoulsonpitti - hmm, i'm not sure what's keeping it in then14:19
chrisccoulsonit'd be nice to work that out so i can port that as a priority14:20
pittichrisccoulson: hm, checkrdepends doesn't see anything14:20
pittichrisccoulson: let me demote, and we'll see what it's complaining about in about an hour14:21
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks :)14:21
chrisccoulsonpitti - oh, i know what it is14:22
chrisccoulsonit's still shipping a xulrunner-dev binary14:22
pittiah, it might get confused about that one14:22
chrisccoulsonwhich lots of stuff build-depends on14:22
pittiit's built by 1.9.2 as well now14:22
chrisccoulsonok, so we're probably ok to demote, and i need to update it to not provide that binary any more14:22
tseliotpitti: shall I start the backend separately when running tests (as in "tests/run")? Or is it dealt with automatically?14:26
pittitseliot: the test suite cares for it (it uses the session bus for it)14:26
tseliotpitti: ok, only download_url() failed so things went well (and my manual tests went very well too)14:27
james_wseb128: if you want to ask me questions please do :-)14:36
pedro_seb128, bonjour, per your last comment on bug 544340 is that a wontfix for the lucid task?14:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544340 in libcanberra "[lucid] missing translation for GNOME Login Sound" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54434014:36
seb128hey james_w, pedro_14:44
seb128james_w, how are you?14:45
seb128pedro_, you can probably close the lucid task yes, I don't see how that will change there14:45
james_wseb128: good thanks, you?14:45
seb128james_w, good thanks14:46
pedro_seb128, roger that, thank you!14:46
james_wsorry I haven't been responsive, but I never saw any questions, only complaints I wasn't answering questions :-)14:46
seb128james_w, so we were wondering what is the best way to transition packaging bzr to the official way14:46
james_wso, easiest way, just drop your ~ubuntu-desktop branch and use the lp:ubuntu/* ones, but that may not achieve what you want?14:47
seb128james_w, the indicator-* are packaged in ~ubuntu-desktop right now14:47
seb128james_w, well, we loose history of what we did this way14:48
seb128and ted complained it breaks their daily builds, etc14:48
seb128since they merge back packaging from us usually14:48
seb128and we change the basis14:48
seb128ie the 2 don't have common history14:48
seb128I'm not sure what is the best14:48
seb128if we should try to move what we have now14:48
james_wright, that takes some more work then14:48
seb128or if they need to rework what they have14:49
james_wand is a bit beyond bzr's capabilities to do elegantly right now14:49
tseliotpitti: can I upload jockey when I'm done committing things in bzr? Or are there any further pending changes?14:50
pittitseliot: no, everything is in bzr14:50
tseliotpitti: ok, thanks14:50
seb128james_w, what would you recommend doing in those cases?14:50
seb128james_w, just switching to the autoimport and tell dx to rebase their build on those14:50
james_wseb128: let me ponder to see if I can come up with something that will work for you without having to solve the general problem.14:51
seb128james_w, thanks!14:51
james_wI realise that's not a very satisfactory answer though :-)14:51
james_wlet me know if you are blocked on something so that I can prioritise it14:51
seb128that's fine, we don't have an hurry to switch anyway14:51
seb128I suggested waiting after lucid now14:51
seb128we though it would be easy and that we could try on some packages14:52
seb128but we did hit that issue14:52
seb128I'm fine dailying workflow changes to after uds14:52
seb128rickspencer3, hey14:52
rickspencer3hi seb12814:52
rickspencer3good morning14:52
seb128rickspencer3, pitti: in how many hours is the meeting today?14:53
seb128rickspencer3, pitti: I'm being confused by how we follow dst changes14:53
seb128so one hour later14:53
seb128rickspencer3, so our call is in 1h37?14:53
rickspencer3seb128, well, that's ambiguous14:53
rickspencer3seb128, if it's based on UTC, then  yes14:54
rickspencer3if it's based on Seattle time, then it's in 36 mins :)14:54
seb128how do I know? ;-)14:55
rickspencer3didrocks, are you around14:55
rickspencer3seb128, just pick one ;)14:55
didrocksrickspencer3: hey, yes, I'm there :-)14:55
rickspencer3didrocks, did you have a totally epic day yesterday, or what?14:55
didrocksrickspencer3: why do you say that? :-)14:55
didrocksrickspencer3: because of flooding your ML with "fix released" in Quickly?14:56
rickspencer3well, I assume you used some kind of time traveling advice to get Quickly done and to all that Gnome uploading, and manage all those bugs14:56
didrocksrickspencer3: you discovered my secret :-)14:57
seb128didrocks, you flooded -changes too :p14:57
* seb128 hugs didrocks14:57
* didrocks hugs seb128 back14:57
vishseb128: hi.. where does this bug need to be fixed? Bug #55101814:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551018 in human-theme "Ubuntu screensaver has old logo" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55101814:58
vishAFAIK , human theme isnt even installed in Lucid..14:58
pittitseliot: \o/ thanks14:58
seb128vish, it's not?14:58
seb128vish, I've it installed14:58
tseliotpitti: two bugs (actually 3) should be gone now with my last commits :-)14:59
seb128rickspencer3, so let's say we keep the call 1 hour before the meeting?14:59
vishseb128: human icon theme? wasnt it moved to the universe?14:59
seb128rickspencer3, it makes less interruptions in my afternoon, I can focus on work and then stop for call & meeting15:00
rickspencer3seb128, wfm15:00
seb128+ usually do some paperwork or activity report between15:00
rickspencer3sounds good, I'm all for not interrupting seb12815:00
vishseb128: weird , that the human gtk theme installs the icon :s thanks for pointing that out15:00
seb128vish, "human-theme"15:00
seb128vish, /usr/share/pixmaps/ubuntu-screensaver.svg15:01
vishseb128: gotcha..15:01
seb128vish, I talked about that with kwwii some hours ago btw15:01
asacRiddell: hola ... could you check: 537617 ? thats chromium video html5 support which was still missing15:08
Riddellasac: what do i need to do?15:10
asacRiddell: archive admin ;)15:11
asacNEWing basically15:12
Riddellright, will do15:12
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Keybukseb128: ok, I may be going mad here ...15:36
Keybukbut I'm convinced my terminals are sliiiiiightly transparent15:36
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, bug #54842815:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548428 in chromium-browser "Error 107 (net::ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR): Unknown error" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54842815:37
rickspencer3thoughts on someone who can look into this?15:37
pittirickspencer3: heh, I was just about to ask you about this15:38
pittiand was about to ct-rev15:38
pittiit's universe, after all?15:38
seb128Keybuk, right, that's the new lucid look I guess15:38
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, fta is quite knowledgable about chromium, he might be able to figure that out quicker than i can15:38
rickspencer3pitti, correct15:38
Keybukseb128: how do I turn it off ?!15:39
seb128Keybuk, if you hint it changes settings of your it shouldn't talk to chrisccoulson15:39
seb128he did the changes there15:39
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, chromium-browser is a community package15:39
pittirickspencer3, chrisccoulson: it's allegedly fixed in the daily PPA15:39
chrisccoulsonKeybuk, at the moment, select "Transparent" and move the slider all the way to opaque15:39
* Keybuk is using the Daily PPA and I still get that error15:39
pittiso, just needs a new upload, I figure15:39
chrisccoulsonthat will override the theme settings15:39
Keybukchrisccoulson: I have "Solid Colour" selected already15:39
rickspencer3pitti, I ct-rev'd it15:40
pittiKeybuk: it's bug 549552 FYI15:40
chrisccoulsonKeybuk, yeah, that currently means "Solid colour unless the theme specifies something else"15:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 549552 in gnome-terminal "[lucid] solid colour BG is transparent" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54955215:40
chrisccoulsoni intend to fix that before release though ;)15:40
chrisccoulsonthis might sound like a really obvious question, but do people experiencing the chromium issue have "TLS1.0" checked in the security sections of the preferences?15:45
chrisccoulsonit seems to be working fine here15:45
pittididrocks: "Forbid to autologin for user with encrypted home", is that still on track? or should we postpone it?15:46
didrockspitti: still on track, just after the GNOME updates :)15:46
didrockspitti: should be easy, just to find time to do it *sigh*15:46
* pitti hugs didrocks15:46
* didrocks hugs pitti15:47
LaserJockdidrocks: any pressing UNE bugs?15:47
didrocksLaserJock: I'm on g-c-c bug. I have two that will be easy to fix for me as I've touched at the code quite recently. Let me have a look for others (one sec)15:48
didrocksLaserJock: bug #414353 but I'm afraid this one can be complex15:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 414353 in clutk "Cannot scroll to bottom of system menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41435315:49
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, let me check15:50
LaserJockdidrocks: well, I'll have a look and see if I can get anything out of it15:50
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, i'm sure that's not the issue really, i just checked the number of comments on the upstream bug now15:50
rickspencer3good, because I can't find the option ;)15:50
didrocksLaserJock: ok, this one should be easier if you want to play with another thing: bug #28391415:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283914 in netbook-launcher "netbook-launcher doesn't reflect changed icons in main menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28391415:51
didrocksLaserJock: apart from that all seems on track, thanks to you and other awesome contributors :)15:51
rickspencer3LaserJock ftw!15:51
LaserJockkenvandine: hey, we're down to 13s cold start and ~6s if gwibber-service is running16:03
seb128that bug is weird16:10
seb128so my xorg not being back on return from user switch16:10
seb128it's not an hang or crash16:10
seb128it's the external screen being off16:10
seb128and I'm working on laptop docked with lid closed16:10
seb128I opened the lid to see if I could try changing brightness16:10
didrocksoh :/16:11
seb128network changed when undocking too16:12
seb128did what I wrote went through?16:12
didrocksseb128: last sentence was: seb128 | I opened the lid to see if I could try changing brightness16:13
pittiseb128, didrocks, chrisccoulson: are you working on nautilus, or can I muck with the branch for a bit? (upgrade to 2a, and do a fix)16:17
seb128didrocks, ok that was it16:17
didrockspitti: I'm not.16:17
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm not doing anything with nautilus16:17
seb128pitti, go for it16:17
* pitti turns the crank, thanks guys16:17
pittiI'm going to eliminate the "Unmount" menu entry16:17
pitti(bug 453072)16:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 453072 in gvfs "Context menu for an USB pendrive shows "Unmount", "Eject" and "Safely Remove Drive"" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45307216:18
didrockspitti: so, we will keep Eject and Safely Remove, right?16:18
seb128I can see users complaining ;-)16:18
pittiI don't see how to unify those under the current conditions16:18
seb128that's those sort of bugs where you never get everybody happy16:18
pittimost USB sticks are buggy and report that they have removable media16:18
didrocksseb128: I see newcomers afraid about this when doing my presentation and coming about usb stick  :)16:18
pittiand we don't known whether they lie16:19
didrockseven if all is explained in upstream bug report, they don't understand that16:19
seb128yeah, I don't say changing is wrong ;-)16:19
seb128I'm curious to know how other OSes deal with that issue though16:19
pittibut "unmount" is a non-intuitive geek option16:19
pittiit's still there on teh CLI and in palimpsest16:19
pittiseb128: windows doesn't have an "unmount"16:19
didrocksyeah, people wanting to just "unmount", can use "unmount" in CLI :)16:20
pittibut it has been discussed to death already16:20
seb128well safely remove and eject are similar too on usb key...16:20
pittiI think the "drop unmount and keep the two others" is a sensible approach for now, and has some broader consensus16:20
pittiseb128: right, see "buggy usb keys"16:20
seb128anyway go go go pitti16:21
seb128without unmount it's already much better :-)16:21
pittiright, and these two do make perfect sense for drives with removable media16:21
pitti(CD-ROMs, card readers, photo cameras, etc.)16:21
didrockssure it will still be an improvment :-)16:21
pittiand it's easy enough to explain the difference between "remove the medium" and "remove the drive"16:21
pitti(much easier than "unmount" anyway :)16:22
didrocksheh ^^16:22
ftarickspencer3, should be fixed with the next upload (already visible in the -beta ppa if you want to test), i will upload to lucid once the -codecs-ffmpeg are approved (from NEW)16:23
rickspencer3thanks fta16:23
* pitti imagines explaining that to his mother "erm, it makes the stick go away from the screen, so that you cannot use it any more"16:23
rickspencer3I had a feeling you were on it ;)16:23
rickspencer3fta, may I assign the bug to you so that folks see it's being handled?16:23
ftarickspencer3, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=chromium  (asac told me Riddell is on it)16:25
chrisccoulsonok, pitti, i commented on bug 549552 now. i had a think about it and i'm not sure if there is any other way of doing it properly16:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 549552 in gnome-terminal "[lucid] solid colour BG is transparent" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54955216:25
rickspencer3fta, you are asking Riddell to upload it?16:26
ftarickspencer3, it's already uploaded, but stuck in the NEW queue (~4d). needs approval from an archive admin16:27
Riddellit's in New, I'll process it when I do my archive admin tasks in a bit16:27
rickspencer3thanks Riddell, thanks fta16:27
ftaonce done, i will upload the new beta of chromium16:28
fta(shouldn't need NEW)16:28
ftajcastro, someone told me the chromium theme extension is making acid3 regress quite a lot, so it's most probably causing weird rendering everywhere16:30
ftajcastro, i meant, the Ubuntu light-themes scrollbars16:31
jcastrofta: it causes tons of sad tabs too. We should not recommend it to people16:32
jcastrofta: I will blog a warning after lunch16:32
ftasomeone should file a bug too, sad is always bad16:32
jcastrofta: for like 2 weeks I thought it was just some upstream churn16:32
jcastrotechnoviking reported it to the extension author16:33
jcastroI think he contacted him, I'll find out.16:33
jcastrois there a bug tracker for extensions?16:33
tseliotpitti: isn't nvidia-common installed by default any more?16:34
Technovikingjcastro: He said it was a bug in webkit16:34
TechnovikingI will find the bug report16:34
jcastrois "it's a webkit bug" the new "iz gtk boog"?16:35
tseliotno desktop meeting today?16:42
dobeypitti: ping. what's the plan wrt: #530605 btw?16:42
didrockstseliot: it's in one hour (dailight saving) :) The strange thing is that my calendar didn't update to reflect the change…16:43
chrisccoulsonbah, i hate daylight saving16:43
tseliotdidrocks: ok, let's blame it on google calendar then16:43
chrisccoulsoni don't know where i am now in relation to everybody else16:44
didrockstseliot: at least, I know I'm not alone to have a shifted calendar, same for you chrisccoulson?16:44
chrisccoulsondidrocks, yeah, i think so16:44
desrtbryceh: so do you know anything about this failure to allocate X server memory?16:44
pittichrisccoulson: replied to the bug16:48
didrocksre pitti. Same for you, a not updated google calendar regarding time shift?16:48
pittitseliot: jockey-common recommends it, so it should be there16:48
pittididrocks: what about gcal?16:49
tseliotpitti: ah, ok, I was looking for it in the wrong place (i.e. ubuntu-desktop)16:49
pittidobey: well, "in progress"...16:49
pittitseliot: it's a library-like package, we don't want to seed such things16:49
pittididrocks: yes, the desktop team meeting is wrong16:50
tseliotpitti: yes, my memory is the only problem here :-P16:50
didrockspitti: yeah, I was thinking that gcalc will update due to daylight saving16:50
dobeypitti: is it going to hold up beta2?16:50
pittidobey: no, but final16:50
dobeypitti: ah, ok16:50
pittidobey: (I still hope that it'll be fixed before, but it's not marked as a beta-2 blocker)16:51
dobeypitti: i think we'll be ok anyway. i just realized that my brain was being silly re: freeze dates16:51
dobeypitti: ah, well i've a fix for ubuntuone-client (which is why i set the in progress for us)16:51
dobeypitti: but my brain was totally thinking that the freeze for b2 was 00:00 today, instead of thursday :)16:52
pitti*phew* :)16:53
didrocksseb128: ah back ;) so, doing g-d-u, gnome-keyring, libgnome, gnome-screensaver and gnome-utils (I guess we should do some version mangling in gnome-keyring like 2.92.93.is.2.30.0?)16:59
seb128didrocks, why?17:00
seb128didrocks, let me gnome-keyring17:00
didrocksseb128: you released 2.92.92git20100322-0ubuntu117:00
seb128didrocks, g-d-u has been done by pitti 2 days ago17:00
seb128didrocks, arg17:00
seb128didrocks, sorry about that17:00
didrocksseb128: 2.30.1 for g-d-u?17:00
seb128it was uploaded to fd.o17:01
didrocksoh ok :)17:01
pittioh, is it17:01
* pitti checks watch file17:01
didrocksso, I have gnome-screensaver and gnome-utils :)17:01
pittioh, indeed17:01
seb128bah, the gnome-keyring typo sucks17:01
pittiurgh, 29 -> 92?17:02
seb128well next cycle should be 3.017:02
pittifortunately the 2.x series will end in a forseeable future :)17:02
didrocksseb128: yeah ;)17:02
pitti2.15 -> 2.51 would have been much worse17:02
chrisccoulsonpitti - is there any way of finding out how many packages i've sponsored for somebody?17:05
chrisccoulsonwithout taking up too much time ;)17:06
pittiI think dholbach used to have some stats17:06
chrisccoulsonpitti - thanks, i will ask him when he's around17:07
james_wchrisccoulson: I search site:lists.ubuntu.com with your two names, and ubuntu-changes tells you most of it. It's not exact though.17:09
chrisccoulsonjames_w - thanks, that seems to be good enough actually17:13
vuntzseb128: I fixed version-2-2817:17
seb128vuntz, thanks!17:17
vuntzseb128: (it won't get updated anymore, though)17:17
seb128vuntz, oh? :-(17:17
seb128vuntz, well I guess 2.28 will not change lot17:18
vuntzseb128: I can probably configure it to be updated for some time17:20
vuntzseb128: but it'd be safer if you ping me a bit later for this ;-)17:21
seb128vuntz, don't bother, but if you could get 2.30 to keep updating during next cycle that would be nicer ;-)17:21
vuntz(it's just a few more lines, but I'm focused on someting else)17:21
seb128vuntz, ok sure, no hurry17:21
desrtis there any way for me to get my hands on the .deb packages that were used to build the beta CD?17:21
seb128vuntz, it's not like 2.28 tarballs would we uploaded today17:21
vuntzseb128: version-2.30 will get updated until September17:21
seb128desrt, yes17:21
vuntzseb128: I actually did a few 2.28 tarballs ;-)17:21
desrtthis X server crash is definitely a regression in [something] since the beta was released17:21
desrtsince the beta itself is quite fine17:22
seb128desrt, what crash?17:22
desrtseb128: where are they?17:22
seb128desrt, I'm not sure you have all of those in a directory17:22
desrtseb128: i get an error about "unabel to allocate memory" when i do xrandr17:22
desrtand X quits17:22
seb128but you have archives on launchpad for all deb published to ubuntu17:22
desrt(the error goes into the X server log)17:23
desrti suspect it will either be the intel driver or the kernel17:23
seb128desrt, try maybe asking #ubuntu-x if the bug is known before17:23
seb128desrt, well17:24
kenvandineLaserJock, great, that is a good improvement... still wish it was faster for you17:24
seb128desrt, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+changelog17:24
desrtright... that's nice of course17:24
seb128desrt, you can click on any version and download the deb17:24
desrtbut i want to be able to install the .deb from the beta CD17:24
kenvandineLaserJock, my netbook is 3s for client, service and desktopcouch to start17:24
desrtok.  that's quite perfect :)17:24
seb128desrt, it works the same for any source17:25
desrti can see diffs too17:25
seb128to get debs you click on the version17:25
desrtah.  librarian17:25
seb128than on the arch you use17:25
desrtdidn't it used to be called the graveyard or something? :)17:25
seb128and those are listed17:25
seb128that's debian17:25
seb128we use a library there ;-)17:25
* desrt makes a list of package versions on the liveCD and reboots back into his shattered world17:26
seb128session restart brb17:26
chrisccoulsonexcellent, my new passport has just arrived17:26
chrisccoulsoni'm glad that arrived in time for UDS ;)17:26
kenvandinethat reminds me... i should double check when mine expires17:27
kklimondachrisccoulson: you need a passport for uds-m? isn't it in europe? :)17:27
kenvandineyay... got another year :)17:27
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, yes, i probably should still have a passport though, and i don't think i'd get on a flight out of the UK without one17:28
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, mine expired at the start of may ;)17:28
chrisccoulsonthat only took a few weeks for them to turn that around anyway, i was a bit concerned that i wouldn't get it in time ;)17:30
didrockschrisccoulson: you don't need one for Brussels :)17:31
rickspencer3ArneGoetje, bryceh, ccheney, chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, Nafai, pitti, RAOF, Riddell, seb128, tseliot, tkamppeter meeting time, right?17:31
chrisccoulsoni think so ;)17:32
* kenvandine waves17:32
kenvandinei might need to duck out at some point17:32
* tseliot waves17:32
rickspencer3kenvandine, ack17:32
rickspencer3shall we start with kenvandine and partner update?17:33
kenvandineOLS has a couple FFE still in the pipe, i think they are expected to land today if approved17:33
kenvandinei haven't looked at the status today, they are on the wiki17:34
kenvandineand there was a request for a UIF exception of u1 client, not sure if that will happen or not17:34
kenvandinemusic store beta is going well, and there will be libu1 and rb plugin bug fix releases today'ish17:34
kenvandineDX seems pretty on track, nothing major coming17:35
kenvandinei think that is it17:35
rickspencer3kenvandine, I've seen a few UI tweaks the last few days from Dx17:35
rickspencer3is that about done, or are there more changes to expect?17:35
kenvandinei think that was it17:35
kenvandinewhich was mostly just reverting the strings back, i think17:35
kenvandineand there is the screensaver thing which we patched17:35
seb128the indicator-message strings change too17:35
rickspencer3kenvandine, little pips next to status in Me Menu for instance17:36
seb128to say "configuring..." now17:36
kenvandineseb128, yeah, that isn't changing again though right?17:36
seb128before starting the application for the first ime17:36
seb128no, but it's new from this week17:36
* kenvandine still thinks that work flow is a little confusing 17:36
seb128or previous week now rather17:36
kenvandineif you had been running it already17:36
kenvandinebut i guess a short hump to get over17:36
seb128right, I was a bit surprised to see that landing now17:36
seb128especially that the logic is wrong17:36
seb128anyway not a meeting subject17:37
kenvandineok, moving on17:37
* kenvandine hands mic back17:37
* rickspencer3 hands mic to Riddel17:37
rickspencer3Riddell, Kubuntu update?17:37
Riddell * new logo decided http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-new-logo.png needs Design Team to tidy up17:37
Riddell * KDE 4.4.2 packaged and uploaded to lucid, compiling away now17:37
Riddell * KOffice 2.1.2 packaged and uploaded17:37
Riddell * http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 milestoned bugs down to 1617:37
rickspencer3Riddell, can I just say that you are doing an awesome job with Kubuntu and Kubuntu team!17:38
rickspencer3thanks much17:38
Riddelltwo high priority bugs, akonadi being broken on upgrades and hal not mounting disks17:38
Riddellboth need some more investigation but will probably be after beta 217:38
Riddellwhy thank you rickspencer317:39
pittiI followed up to the hal one, but I don't understand the problem yet17:39
pittiI had one suspicion, but that wasn't it17:39
chrisccoulsonkubuntu still uses hal for mounting?17:39
pittihal doesn't require any privileges for mounting internal drives these days17:39
pittibut at least in karmic kde actually used a fancy kdesu wrapper, AFAIR17:40
rickspencer3moving on?17:40
rickspencer3oops, sorry, didn't mean to interupt17:40
Riddellrickspencer3: yes we'll discuss later17:40
rickspencer3seb128 brought up the next topic, related to bugs for 10.04 stable updates17:41
rickspencer3seb128, did I get that right?17:41
seb128we have a list of rc bugs for lucid now17:41
seb128but I'm wondering if we want to start building a list of bugs we want to fix in lucid updates if not in lucid17:41
seb128and how we build this list17:41
pittiwouldn't that be the same list, by and large?17:41
seb128and how much we want to have on it17:41
pittii. e. every bug which is targetted to lucid becomes an SRU target after release17:42
seb128pitti, well discussion from yesterday hint that rickspencer3 want the > High list driven to 0 quickly17:42
pittiwell, "potential" target17:42
seb128so where do we put the "lucid update" bugs17:42
pittiI agree, because those are release blockers17:42
seb128I think we have too many mediums17:42
seb128they don't all quality for it17:42
chrisccoulsoni thought release blockers were "high" and milestoned too?17:42
pittiseb128: then we can wontfix them for lucid post-release17:43
chrisccoulsoncan we not change the milestone for ones we want to SRU to "lucid-updates"?17:43
pittiseb128: for the "potential" side, I think we should go over the list around release time and wontfix the ones which aren't appropriate for SRU17:43
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm fine with that, I just want to agree on a common way to mark those17:43
pittichrisccoulson: YES WE CAN!17:43
pitti*cough* :)17:43
seb128I don't like the wontfixing17:43
pittiindeed, I think that's an appropriate milestone17:43
chrisccoulsonthat's ok then :)17:43
seb128users tend to take that a slap in the face17:44
pittibut bugs which aren't SRU targets are better "wontfix"ed after release17:44
seb128and get angry and start arguing17:44
rickspencer3seb128, well, you only won't fix the bug task17:44
rickspencer3not the whole bug17:44
pittiwe won't "wontfix" the bug, just the lucid target17:44
seb128rickspencer3, we don't have lucid+1 in launchpad now17:44
seb128so wontfixing == closing17:44
seb128we can't open a lucid+1 task17:45
rickspencer3can we milestone it "later" for now?17:45
seb128pitti, well that's equivalent17:45
pittiseb128: wontfix after release -> not close17:45
seb128pitti, what task stay open?17:45
ArneGoetjehow about changing the milestone to 'later'?17:45
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i think if you "won't fix" all of the targetted tasks, then launchpad automatically creates an untargetted task (which you can keep open)17:45
seb128pitti, right, "after release"17:45
pittiseb128: well, it works before the release as well (LP will create a "floating" task)17:45
seb128oh ok, I didn't try that recently17:46
seb128it used to not work17:46
pittibut I was saying that we should do it around release time, becuase before that we can still potentially fix them17:46
pittiseb128: it works fine17:46
seb128so seems people agree on not changing anything17:46
rickspencer3seb128, so what do you think of pitti's proposal that we do this after final freeze?17:46
seb128and revisit our target of opportunity list after lucid hard freeze17:47
rickspencer3rather try to fix the ones we can between now and then?17:47
seb128and close or milestone to .1?17:47
rickspencer3I'm not too worries about specifically how we adjust the bug task properties, so much as:17:47
rickspencer31. when do we start building the list17:47
rickspencer32. what is the logic for what goes into such a list17:48
rickspencer3 17:48
rickspencer3seb128, thoughts about those questions?17:48
seb128well, seems 1. is "we already have it"17:48
seb128it's our "100 bugs"17:48
seb128or whatever we call those target or opportunity list17:48
seb128ie all the team assigned with lucid tasks < high17:48
seb128well that's what I got from this discussion17:49
seb128pitti, ^ right?17:49
rickspencer3so basically, if it's targeted to Lucid, we are committed to fixing it in *some* version of 10.0417:49
seb128so just keep adding things there17:49
pittiseb128: correct17:49
seb128and triage the list at lucid time17:49
seb128close the things we will not change in lucid17:49
seb128and milestone the ones we want to sru for .117:49
seb128rickspencer3, well, we will revisit the list at lucid hard freeze time17:49
seb128and wontfix those we drop17:49
rickspencer3makes sense to me17:49
pittisounds like a plan to me17:49
seb128works for everybody?17:49
seb128ok good17:50
seb128rickspencer3, I think we have an agreement there17:50
rickspencer3thanks seb12817:50
rickspencer3ok, so next topic is blueprints for 10.1017:51
rickspencer3I'm not setting any deadline yet, but I know some folks are starting to think about this17:51
rickspencer3so I started an informal list here:17:51
rickspencer3I put on topics that have come out of conversations I've already had with folks, some community, but mostly other Canonical teams17:52
rickspencer3If you want to, you can feel free to use this as a scratch pad too17:52
rickspencer3but also, thought you might want to see what I am thinking about as well17:53
rickspencer3I know that bryceh already has a tight list of blueprints and sessions that he wants to do with RAOF for xorg17:53
rickspencer3so that's that topic, unless there are questions17:53
* didrocks will add his note from his thought too :)17:54
rickspencer3so next is release status17:55
* rickspencer3 hands mic to pitti17:55
pittiso, first a look at http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html17:55
pittiseems we are well within the plan17:55
pittiand the remaining bits don't look scary any more17:55
pittigood job!17:55
pittiwhich extends to the RC bug list17:55
pitti(RC bug list updated yesterday)17:56
pittiI already caught up with chrisccoulson about his bugs, and they seem on track17:56
pittithe ones that worry me now are bug 507148 and bug 491210 from the X.org/kernel side17:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507148 in linux "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50714817:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 491210 in linux "[i865G] Monitor Resolution limited to 800x600" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49121017:56
pittithey are both in kernel land for now, but bryceh, do you happen to know whether there's hope for them?17:56
pittichrisccoulson: do you know if bug 447431 is still relevant?17:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 447431 in gnome-desktop "gnome-settings-daemon dies with BadMatch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44743117:57
pittiother than those three, I'm fairly impressed with our progress, good work team!17:57
chrisccoulsonpitti - yes, i'm going to get back to that bug this week17:57
seb128we get a lot of crashes "../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed."17:58
seb128in random softwares17:58
chrisccoulsonyeah, i just saw one like that reported against firefox17:58
seb128does anybody known if that's an issue in the xorg stack?17:58
pittiis there a bug for it which should be on the RC radar?17:58
seb128that's what I'm asking there17:59
seb128I get a crash every day at least on GNOME components with the "../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." error in the title17:59
seb128but it's never in the same softwares17:59
tseliottjaalton: does it ring a bell? ^^17:59
chrisccoulsonpitti / seb128 - bug 50706217:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507062 in libxcb "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50706217:59
chrisccoulsonbut that was already closed as fixed17:59
seb128how do we deal with all the duplicates?18:00
seb128reopen that one and duplicate everything?18:00
pittisounds sensible18:00
seb128ok, will do that18:00
pittiseb128: can you please target it to lucid, too?18:01
seb128will do18:01
pittidid anyone else notice something bug related which we shoudl track?18:01
rickspencer3pitti, I've noticed a decrease in the total # of RC bugs18:01
pittior has concerns about this WIs/assigned bugs?18:01
rickspencer3and that most people with an RC bug have but 1 bug18:01
rickspencer3this seems promising to me18:01
pittirickspencer3: don't worry, we won't run out of work anytime soon :)18:01
rickspencer3am I seeing the world thorugh rose colored glasses18:01
pittibut yes, getting the RC list down is great18:02
didrocksrickspencer3: aubergine one :)18:02
rickspencer3ok, beta 2 will be bring a crush of RC bugs18:02
* rickspencer3 kicks didrocks18:02
rickspencer3(nice one didrocks)18:02
rickspencer3pitti, that was it for me18:02
pitti</release status sermon> (still interested in feedback about the two X.org driver failures, though)18:03
seb128I'm too lazy to dup those 67 crashes I think18:03
seb128does anybody has a script for that?18:03
chrisccoulsonyeah, that would create a lot of bug spam ;)18:03
rickspencer3seb128, you can use bughugger for that!18:03
pittiseb128: lp-set-dup18:03
pittiseb128: but we should also have a bug pattern for that, I'll write one18:03
rickspencer3that sounds great18:03
rickspencer3pitti, shall we adjourn the meeting?18:04
pittiseb128: use ctrl+mouse selection to get the list of numbers, and call lp-set-dup on it with the master bug being first18:04
pittirickspencer3: WFM18:04
pitti"any other business"18:04
rickspencer3oh, rgiht18:04
seb128pitti, thanks18:04
rickspencer3was having a parsing error18:04
* pitti though it was fairly common in meetings18:04
rickspencer3any other business?18:05
didrocksneither do I :)18:05
rickspencer3pitti, the universe of what I don't know is almost infinitely larger than the universe of what I do know18:05
rickspencer3I am at peace with this ;)18:05
pittiwhich is true for everyone :)18:05
rickspencer3ok, lets call it wrap, give everyone a bit of time back18:05
pittibut fortunately we all know different parts of the universe :)18:06
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pittiwAssertionMessage: indicator-applet: ../../src/xcb_io.c :385 : _XAllocID: L'assertion « ret != inval_id » a échoué.18:08
pittitranslating assertion messages is a little overzealous..18:08
seb128well somebody marked the string to translate...18:09
chrisccoulsonto confuse things even more, that assertion comes from xlib18:09
seb128but yeah18:09
chrisccoulsonand not libxcb18:09
seb128pedro_, there?18:09
pedro_seb128, yup here18:10
seb128pedro_, do you think you could try to duplicate https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=_XAllocID of bug #507062 for us?18:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507062 in libxcb "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50706218:10
seb128pedro_, <pitti> seb128: use ctrl+mouse selection to get the list of numbers, and call lp-set-dup on it with the master bug being first18:10
pedro_seb128, yes i'll take care of that18:11
pittiseb128: are you going to reopen the bug or shall I?18:11
seb128pitti, I did it18:11
seb128pitti, assigned to our team as high too18:12
seb128it has over 80 duplicates all over the desktop18:12
seb128pedro_, thanks!18:13
* seb128 hugs pedro_18:13
* pedro_ hugs seb128 back18:14
pedro_seb128, you're welcome ;-)18:14
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i reassigned it to libx11 too18:15
chrisccoulsonwhich is where the assertion comes from18:15
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks!18:15
kenvandinedamn, desktopcouch and ubuntuone pegging my CPU has really made my battery life suck18:18
pittiseb128: argh, but patterns currently do not support these kinds of cross-package bugs; I'll add that to apport, but I need to leave for supermarket & dinner first18:20
seb128pitti, no hurry, have fun18:20
* pitti uploads nau-"unmount-b-gone"-tilus18:20
* kenvandine heads out again18:21
LaserJockkenvandine: 3s! :(18:32
kenvandineLaserJock, yeah, i wish i know why it was so much slower on your netbook18:33
kenvandineyour's seems to be the extreme case18:33
LaserJockI still get 6s just for warm start18:33
kenvandineweird, same processor as me18:33
LaserJockyeah, it's a pretty standard netbook18:33
kenvandineand my disk seems pretty slow18:34
LaserJockI wonder if I wipe out the config, settings and start over if it would help18:34
LaserJockit didn't seem like my DB was huge, in fact it was pretty small if I remember right18:35
ftaRiddell, what's the reason for the reject?18:52
Riddellfta: just e-mailed18:52
Riddellterm 2 needs to be in debian/copyright18:53
Riddellor better, include the whole licence18:53
ftaRiddell, i've already listed that file, so i just need to add the whole wording, right?18:54
didrockstime for dinner18:55
Riddellfta: it needs at least the sentence required in term (2), but I'd just include the whole licence for clarity18:55
ftaok, thanks18:55
ftaRiddell, will that do? http://paste.ubuntu.com/406648/19:00
Riddellfta: yes good with me19:01
james_wbaptistemm: hi, it seems you didn't branch off lp:ubuntu/bluez to do your apport work, which means I can't merge it in directly19:06
ftaRiddell, just re-uploaded19:10
Riddellfta: let me see if I can find something wrong with it this time :)19:10
baptistemmjames_w, ah sorry, I will just provide a patch in a bug report then19:11
james_wbaptistemm: that's ok, I'm merging it with a trick19:12
james_wbaptistemm: I just wondered if there was a particular reason such as some incorrect documentation I should fix?19:12
baptistemmjames_w, the branch lp:ubuntu/bluez is not up to date : /19:14
james_wah, ok19:14
baptistemmnormlay you just have to take source_bluez.py and drop in debian/ to update the previous version19:15
baptistemmsorry for the additional work :/19:16
chrisccoulsonmvo - does synaptic spawn more than one thread that uses xlib?19:17
mvochrisccoulson: yes, two processes19:18
pittiI'm off IRC for a while for gdm debugging, round 2319:18
mvochrisccoulson: well, sort of, the second is really just the vte terminal19:18
chrisccoulsonmvo - and the vte terminal is in a separate thread (not just another process)?19:19
mvodidrocks, kenvandine: I will do a empathy upload to fix some upgrade issues, do you have anything pending19:19
chrisccoulson(so they're sharing data)19:19
mvochrisccoulson: I need to look at the code but I think its sepearte processes19:19
chrisccoulsonah, that's ok then19:19
mvochrisccoulson: I'm not 100% positive on this19:19
chrisccoulsonmvo - i was just trying to come up with ideas about bug 50706219:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 507062 in libx11 "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50706219:20
chrisccoulsoni've seen one way it will crash, but that would only be cause by more than one thread19:20
kenvandinemvo, nope19:21
mvochrisccoulson: can you reproduce it?19:22
mvochrisccoulson: the crash I mean?19:22
chrisccoulsonmvo - i can't, but i've just been looking at the xlib code, and i spotted one way it can crash19:22
chrisccoulsonbut that would only happen if more than one thread were allocating resources without having called XInitThreads19:22
mvochrisccoulson: hm, does that mean I can just call gdk_threads_init () and the bug goes away ;) ?19:23
chrisccoulsonmvo - well, i grepped the gtk source code, and didn't see a call to XInitThreads at all19:24
chrisccoulsoni'm wondering if that's the issue :-/19:24
chrisccoulsonbut i don't know this code well enough to have an opinion yet ;)19:24
mvoI'm too busy just now to have a look, sorry :(19:25
chrisccoulsonmvo - that's ok19:26
mvoif you have more clues or a way to reproduce I will love to hear about it19:26
chrisccoulsoni have synaptic in gdb now to try and find out ;)19:26
davmor2what the package name for palimpsest please19:27
davmor2chrisccoulson: thanks19:27
* mvo hugs chrisccoulson19:30
didrocksmvo: nothing on track for me for empathy19:30
* chrisccoulson hugs mvo19:30
seb128didrocks, track for empathy?19:31
mvodidrocks: thanks, uploaded19:31
didrocksseb128: "mvo | didrocks, kenvandine: I will do a empathy upload to fix some upgrade issues, do you have anything pending"19:32
mvoseb128: I just asked if I can upload away19:32
didrocksmvo: thanks :)19:32
seb128mvo, upload vte? ;-)19:32
* seb128 hides19:32
mvoit fails to build!19:32
* mvo kicks it19:32
mvoand before that it takes *ages* to get to the point where it fails19:32
mvoseb128: but yearh, still on my list :)19:33
seb128"dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 700 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)"19:33
seb128wth armel?19:33
mvoccheney: hi, re OOo and the corrupted db failure. from what i understand how to fix it is inconclusive (is that the right word?)19:33
mvoarmel …19:33
chrisccoulsonmvo - ok, synaptic doesn't appear to be using xlib from multiple threads19:39
chrisccoulsonso, the other thing that might make it crash in this way is running out of XID's19:39
james_wbaptistemm: it's up to date now, thanks for the prod19:39
baptistemmthanks to you rather19:39
Riddellfta: accepted!19:44
baptistemmwhat is the workflow to use when packaging with bzr ?19:50
baptistemmimagine a branch already exist with upstream sources and packaging, and a new upstream arises19:51
NafaiThis is a question I have as well :)19:51
LaserJockany couchdb experts around?19:52
james_wbaptistemm: "bzr merge-upstream --version 1.1 http://example.org/example-1.1.tar.gz" is the basis19:53
baptistemmjames_w, doing that in the bzr repository ?19:54
james_wbaptistemm: yeah19:54
james_wLaserJock: do I need to point you to !ask? :-)19:54
baptistemmmerge-upstream is a plugin ?19:54
james_wit's in the bzr-builddeb package19:54
baptistemmah okay, thanks , I'll try to use that workflow19:54
ftaRiddell, thanks!!19:58
LaserJockjames_w: well, sometimes I prefer to keep my stupid questions to myself until I know there's a finite probability that somebody can actually help ;-)20:02
LaserJockjames_w: but point taken20:02
LaserJockI'm trying to figure out how to delete a database from desktop-couch20:03
james_wusing the web ui, or python, or?20:03
LaserJockI tried using the web UI, which seemed to work, except the next time I opened the app it magically recreated  it20:03
james_wyes, it will create the db if it doesn't find it there20:04
james_wdid it put all the data back, or did it appear to revert it?20:04
LaserJockpulled in all the data again I think20:04
LaserJockthis is with gwibber20:04
LaserJockI removed the DBs20:04
james_wand what would you like it to do?20:04
LaserJockand then when I reopen gwibber it recreates everything20:05
LaserJockI went to actually delete everything20:05
james_wand not use gwibber?20:05
LaserJockI'm trying to start over20:05
LaserJockto do some testing20:05
james_wit sounds like you did to me20:05
LaserJockfresh config, etc.20:05
LaserJockno, it recreated everything I already had20:06
james_wunless you are talking about account settings as well20:06
james_wdid you delete all the dbs?20:06
james_wthen I would expect upgrade code that sees you have an empty desktopcouch and imports your settings from the old config file/gconf/whatever it was20:07
LaserJockit's gone20:07
LaserJockI removed that20:07
LaserJockI got rid of anything in ~/ that is gwibber-related20:07
LaserJockI guess I shouldn't complain too much about an app keeping my settings *too* well, but it's making it difficult to do testing20:08
james_wincluding from gconf?20:09
LaserJockI don't know if there's some sort of couchdb flush I can do for it to not remember everything20:10
james_wthen either you missed something, the settings are stored on some other machine, or you have a phantom gwibber20:10
james_wyou can compact, but I don't think that will make a differnece20:10
LaserJockah, I think I might have had a gwibber-service process running still20:15
mvoseb128: hm, medium funny, its just the udeb that fails to build for whatever reason in vte - do we care about that (I guess we do)20:24
LaserJockit's recreating my entire DB again20:24
* LaserJock kicks couchdb and does some other work for a while20:24
seb128mvo, I would guess we do yes20:28
seb128mvo, let's see tomorrow, we still have time before beta220:28
* pitti silently sighs about libxklavier20:28
mvoseb128: I give it some more minutes and then call for super-hero help (i.e. *you*)20:29
ccheneymvo: yea, the only clear way to fix it is to actually uninstall then reinstall, its not clear that even just apt-get install --reinstall is enough20:29
ccheneymvo: and if i understood rene even a full reinstall if there is corruption might carry corruption on for a users profile20:29
dobeypitti: i heard you :)20:29
mvoccheney: that is scary20:29
mvoccheney: so Conflicts: Replaces: Provides: openoffice.org on abiword and gnumeric ;) ?20:30
ccheneymvo: thats why i suggested possibly we could demote this to a release note and figure out some way to do automated bug triaging for it (if possible)20:30
ccheneymvo: yea bug is really nasty :-(20:30
mvoI just that sucks mightly, we can not release it like this and tell people "oh, bad luck, sorry"20:30
mvowe have to fix it *somehow*20:30
mvoits a LTS afterall20:31
mvoand OOo is super important to many people20:31
dobeyLaserJock: is it set up to sync to ubuntuone or another machine on your network?20:31
ccheneymvo: well the issue is that if the db files are corrupted you can fix the system ones by fully reinstalling the packages, to fix the user ones requires (i think) reinstalling any oxt files they added themselves20:31
seb128mvo, k20:31
seb128mvo, usually those are a missing -llib20:32
seb128mvo, or a -L...20:32
mvowhat is a oxt file?20:32
ccheneymvo: so i don't think there really is a way to fix it from a packaging standpoint20:32
ccheneymvo: openoffice extension20:32
mvo(sorry, I'm totally ignorant when it comes to OOo)20:32
ccheneymvo: like a firefox plugin20:32
mvoand people install them just like firefox plugins?20:32
ccheneymvo: yea20:32
ccheneymvo: tools->extension manager20:33
ccheneymvo: an oxt is a specially laid out zip file20:33
mvointeressting. and that stuff lives in ~/.openoffice (or a similar dir?)20:33
ccheneymvo: yea ~/.openoffice.org/3/20:34
LaserJockdobey: no, I don't use U1 and this is the only Linux machine on the network20:34
dobeyLaserJock: then i guess the answer is "are you sure you deleted it?" :)20:35
LaserJockdobey: 1) the web UI says yes and 2) the DB files no longer exist20:36
LaserJockso they must be also backed up or something somewhere else20:36
mvoccheney: ok. thanks. that is good and useful information20:36
LaserJockI guess I'll try removing everything, then rebooting, and trying again just in case they're in /tmp or something20:37
dobeyLaserJock: make sure ALL couchdb/beam/heart processes are stopped. do desktopcouch-start, delete the db, do desktopcouch-stop, verify the dbs are gone, then try running gwibber again20:38
LaserJockah, ok20:38
dobeyLaserJock: and if you ask in #ubuntuone you might be able to get more help on it :)20:38
LaserJockdobey: ok, I would have thought that would have been specifically about U1, but I guess they would know a lot about couchdb20:39
dobeyLaserJock: where it's where all the developers are... :)20:40
pittiok, that should make keyboard variants in gdm much happer21:29
pittiwith this bugs -= 1 it's time to wave goodnight21:30
didrockspitti: enjoy  ;)21:30
seb128'night pitti21:37
chrisccoulsongood night pitti21:38
al-maisan /msg NickServ identify22:04
chrisccoulsonkklimonda, you do work with the debian maintainer of transmission sometimes don't you?22:05
kklimondachrisccoulson: yes - I do send him patches but we don't really talk as he's not on any irc :)22:09
chrisccoulsonah,that's ok. thanks22:09
didrockstime to wave goodnight22:12
RAOFGood morning all.22:33
TheMusoGood morning.22:34
RiddellWednesday already?  how's it looking?22:35
* LaserJock takes desktopcouch out to the woodshed22:35
RAOFWednesday is looking grey again.  Hopefully it's another day of soothing light rain!22:36
TheMusoRAOF: Totally agree. Last night was great as well, I love falling asleep to the sound of rain.22:37
TheMusoAnd finally some nice cool weather.22:38
Riddellmore rain?  at least it's not as bad as the snow we had on Tuesday22:39
* Tm_T is watching as people at #ubuntu+1 are struggling with dependencies and all22:41
rickspencer3criminy, almost time for Eastern Edition already22:50
* rickspencer3 is totally unprepared22:51
seb128rickspencer3, oh, something I forgot to ask in the meeting today22:51
seb128rickspencer3, do you or something has opinion on what default mp3 encoding bitrate should be?22:51
seb128we default to 128 right now22:52
rickspencer3I have no opinion22:52
seb128but ronoc pointed it's low according to current standards22:52
RAOFseb128: We're encoding with LAME, right?22:52
Tm_Tit is low22:52
seb128and our ui to change those options sucks22:52
rickspencer3that seems a tad low, but I have no real knowledge to draw on22:52
seb128RAOF, I guess so22:52
RAOFDefault to preset=standard22:52
rickspencer3RAOF, I think you encode with the encoder you install22:52
seb128RAOF, you can look to the gnome-media definition22:52
rickspencer3(that was supposed to make sense)22:52
kklimondaseb128: it should really be vbr, at least ~160kbit/s in my opinion22:52
RAOFrickspencer3: :)22:52
Tm_T~160 is ok for default22:53
rickspencer3seb128, how would this change get made?22:53
RAOFlame's preset=standard is highly tweaked, and ends up being ~180kbit/s vbr generally.22:53
rickspencer3I would rather see a change like this occur earlier in the cycle22:53
seb128bug #54521922:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545219 in gnome-media "default MP3 ripping change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54521922:53
kklimondaright, lame's standard preset is perfect22:53
seb128ronoc suggested a change in that bug22:53
rickspencer3chasing after new mp3 encoding bugs seems not desirable at this point22:53
seb128rickspencer3, well it's a text definition for the profile22:54
kklimondaseb128: vbr-quality=1 is a bit too high imo22:54
rickspencer3seb128, I don't think there is a *default* encoder in ubuntu, right?22:54
seb128rickspencer3, knowing that we don't have an encoder by default anyway for legal reasons22:54
seb128so the profile is what you get when you install ubuntu restricted extra or whatever that is called22:54
seb128rickspencer3, changing the biterate is just changing a number22:55
rickspencer3seb128, anyway, my opinion is that 128 seems a tad low22:55
Tm_Tit is low22:55
seb128the issue is that the gnome-media profile editor has a text entry to edit profiles22:55
Tm_Tit's not matter of an opinion (:22:55
seb128not really nice to use22:55
seb128I'm not sure about vbr22:56
rickspencer3you mean the UI for changing the default is not good?22:56
seb128what are the pro and con22:56
RAOFI wonder if Banshee's profile editor could be hoisted up; that works quite well, I think.22:56
seb128rickspencer3, yes22:56
rickspencer3variable bit rate is normal these days22:56
TheMusoIf I had my way, it would be 256 :p but 1192, or even vbr 160/192 would be better.22:56
RAOFModern codecs don't really support constant bitrate.22:56
seb128rickspencer3, run gnome-audio-profiles-properties and click on edit22:56
seb128and see what I means there22:56
rickspencer3seb128, I would guess that 160 is pretty common and well tested22:56
seb128you edit a gstreamer pipeline by hand there22:56
kklimondaseb128: cons are that some media players may not support vbr. I haven't seen one but people buy a lot of china-ware..22:56
seb128rickspencer3, vbr 160?22:56
rickspencer3seb128, I don't know22:57
rickspencer3my hunch would be that that vbr is good for users to set, but not a good default22:57
rickspencer3I think my opinion is not too valuable here22:57
rickspencer3seb128, so basically, we need a good gstreamer config line there?22:57
RAOFkklimonda: Is it even possible to not support vbr?22:58
seb128in fact we have vbr-quailty=6 right now22:58
seb128rickspencer3, yes22:58
rickspencer3well, that shows the value of my opinion ;)22:58
rickspencer3I'm too old to know what you crazy kids are doing with your Mp3s these days22:58
* rickspencer3 turns on 8 track machine22:58
* TheMuso preferrs either buying flac/wav online, or CDs, so I have lossless copies of all my music.22:59
rickspencer3seb128, anyway, not that you were asking, but it seems like a well tested gstreamer setting changed now would be ok22:59
* RAOF has a reel-to-reel tape machine in Hobart. 22:59
rickspencer3but the change would have to be like tomorrow22:59
seb128rickspencer3, it's sort of what I was asking too22:59
rickspencer3make sure it gets well tested22:59
seb128I think the current quality is too low22:59
seb128if nobody has strong opinion I will keep what we have22:59
rickspencer3I think the benefit to risk ration suggests changing it22:59
seb128but raise quality a bit22:59
seb128quality = bitrate23:00
kklimondaRAOF: I haven't seen a single player that doesn't support vbr but that doesn't mean there are no such players - I know it's entirely possible for some decoders to decode vbr poorly or not at all23:00
rickspencer3thank you seb12823:00
seb128thanks everybody who commented too23:00
rickspencer3I just did a totally fresh install of 10.04 UNE on my netbook23:00
rickspencer3what I haven't done is prepare the wiki for Eastern Edition23:01
RAOFI think that one of the lame presets would be a better idea, but just raising quality is ok.23:01
kklimondaseb128: the vbr-quality in my opinion should be between 4 (~165kbit) and 2 (~190kbit)23:01
seb128RAOF, do you have suggestion of gstreamer line to use?23:01
rickspencer3RAOF, TheMuso, bryceh, I'm just a tiny bit behind, should take me long23:01
seb128RAOF, in which case feel free to give me that later23:01
seb128or email it23:01
TheMusorickspencer3: Sure23:01
seb128kklimonda, thanks23:01
RAOFseb128: audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc preset=standard ! id3v2mux23:01
seb128hey robert_ancell23:02
robert_ancellseb128, hey23:02
RAOFrobert_ancell: Good morning!23:02
seb128RAOF, what is preset=standard?23:02
seb128ie what does it do, vbr, biterate?23:02
kklimondaseb128: it's the same as vbr-quality=2 afair23:02
robert_ancellRAOF, hello23:02
RAOFseb128: It's vbr, roughly 180ish23:02
seb128I will play a bit with that tomorrow23:03
seb128is that well tested you think?23:03
kklimondaseb128: yes23:03
RAOFseb128: The lame presets are quite old, and extensively tuned by the lame devs; they're the recommended way of using lame, last time I checked.23:03
seb128k thanks23:04
seb128on that note, brb, dist-upgrade finished I need to restart23:04
TheMusoHrm and what about enabling stereo, in stead of joint stereo?23:04
TheMusoThats just me thoug.23:05
TheMusoI am picky23:05
RAOFThe presets twiddle all the knobs; I'd presume that they enable stereo if it's a quality/bitrate win.23:05
* bryceh catches up on morning meeting irc log23:06
humphreybchi guys23:08
humphreybcwe need a bit of help23:08
humphreybcwe would love to get bug 248355 fixed in time for Lucid23:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24835523:08
seb128humphreybc, not going to happen though23:08
humphreybcSee, thing is, right now we're going to have thousands of people download the ubuntu manual PDF and open it up on Ubuntu to see some crappy images23:09
seb128humphreybc, there is no need to convince us that the bug is an issue23:09
humphreybcseb128: what about backporting a patch?23:09
seb128but the change require cairo changes and poppler ones23:09
seb128and cairo is a basis system library23:09
seb128and backporting unstable changes to a lts is not a great thing to do23:10
robert_ancellseb128, can you look at desktop-file-utils (not sure if allowed to upgrade) and gnome-doc-utils (no main permissions) in bzr?23:10
humphreybcseb128: one of our team members is going to look at it and see if he can file a patch for review23:10
seb128robert_ancell, I did sponsor desktop-file-utils today, though I was not really convinced there was anything we needed for lucid23:10
seb128humphreybc, we will be happy to review that23:10
seb128humphreybc, upstream hinted it would not be easy I think23:10
humphreybcokay, well we'll try our best. when does it need to be done by, beta2 freeze?23:11
humphreybc(ie, april 1st?)23:11
seb128the sooner the better23:11
seb128but if the change is easy it's ok later23:11
seb128if it's not trivial depends of the change23:11
humphreybcdutchie is the one going to have a crack at it23:11
rickspencer3RAOF, TheMuso, robert_ancell, bryceh - I got the wiki updated:23:11
seb128robert_ancell, will look to gdu23:12
brycehrickspencer3, thanks23:12
dutchiehttp://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=32750 # this the right patch?23:12
humphreybcdutchie, meet seb128. He's going to review the patch if you get it done23:12
seb128hey dutchie23:12
dutchiehi seb12823:12
TheMusorickspencer3: thanks23:12
seb128dutchie, humphreybc: sorry guys meeting just starting23:12
seb128we can talk about the meeting though23:12
seb128rickspencer3, sorry for interrupting23:12
humphreybcseb128, do you mean after the meeting?23:12
seb128humphreybc, yes sorry23:13
humphreybcno worries, we'll keep out of your hair till then23:13
brycehtotal X bug chart is looking really good right now - http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Graphs/totals.svg23:15
brycehguess that a lot of old bugs are getting closed out23:15
mdeslaurseb128: are you aware libgnome is currently broken?23:15
TheMusook done reading23:16
brycehX bug workload for lucid is a bit of a struggle though:  http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-lucid-workqueue.svg23:16
RAOFDone reading.23:16
rickspencer3bryceh, does that last one mean we are about 300 reports behind in triaging?23:17
seb128mdeslaur, how broken?23:17
brycehrickspencer3, that's right23:17
mdeslaurseb128: libgnome2-0: Depends: libgnome2-common (< 2.29) but 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed23:18
brycehrickspencer3, and that's not for dint of effort, I know all the ubuntu-x guys are working balls out on this.23:18
mdeslaurseb128: oh, nm23:18
seb128mdeslaur, seems that it just didn't build yet on whatever you use...23:18
rickspencer3bryceh, well, it did go down, while there were surely incoming bugs23:18
mdeslaurseb128: sorry about that23:18
seb128mdeslaur, use i386 to avoid such issues ;-)23:18
seb128mdeslaur, no worry23:19
brycehrickspencer3, yeah I think a lot is from lots of new bugs coming in23:19
rickspencer3I don't want to have this "meta" discussion now, but it verifies that trying to triage every single bug is a suckers game23:19
rickspencer3and your efforts to filter and find actionable reports is the right stategy23:19
LaserJocktriage the triage?23:20
rickspencer3so, we'll miss you next release, but I hope that we get back tons more productivity by you building these strategies into the tool23:20
rickspencer3(while you are on rotation at LP)23:20
* RAOF is looking forward to seing what bryceh cooks up at LP23:20
brycehyeah this approach definitely is letting us focus on highly relevant bugs23:20
RAOFOr even seeing.23:20
rickspencer3how about we knock through the wiki really quickly23:20
rickspencer3I'll just hit the high points23:20
RAOFSounds good23:21
rickspencer3so OLS has some ffe, be interesting to see what happens there23:22
rickspencer3Kubuntu, thanks to Riddell, is humming along23:22
rickspencer3seb brought up release status23:22
rickspencer3so the thing here is, we want to have good 10.04.1 release, without sapping too many resources from 10.1023:22
rickspencer3so you can see that seb128 is going to lead the effort to help identify the right bugs to bring forward23:23
rickspencer3release status, the overall message is that things seem on track23:23
rickspencer3but there will be a crush of RC bugs when we release beta 2, and only 1 week to completely address them before final freeze23:24
rickspencer3bryceh, pitti pointed out a couple of xorg/kernel bugs ... I'll leave it to you to follow up if you think it would be worthwhile23:24
brycehrickspencer3, both already on my radar23:24
rickspencer3bryceh, ack23:24
RAOFI think the first one we've got a patch identified for.23:24
RAOFOh, too slow :)23:25
rickspencer3for blueprints, I made a place for me to dump my blueprint ideas so far23:25
rickspencer3I want to keep it informal at this point, so I invite everyone to use that wiki *if they want*23:25
TheMusoits empty23:25
TheMusoi.e page does not exist.23:25
rickspencer3TheMuso, oops, type23:25
rickspencer3hold on23:25
rickspencer3I know that some super organized folks *cough* bryceh *cough* are well into their planning23:26
rickspencer3for UDS23:26
rickspencer3so this wiki page shouldn't disrupt that ... just an option if you're thinking about it23:26
rickspencer3and I forgot to mention at the first meeting today that Nafai will be joining us a full time Canonical Desktopper on April 1st23:27
rickspencer3holy smokes, that's in like 2 days!23:27
rickspencer3I thought I had another week to get ready!23:27
RAOFTomorrow, even :)23:27
rickspencer3RAOF, find, be that way23:28
rickspencer3let's say 36 hours ;)23:28
* RAOF welcomes you from THE FUTURE!23:28
* rickspencer3 shakes fist at people from the future23:28
TheMuso"I remember the future, like it was only yesterday"23:28
rickspencer3I'll add bryceh's links to the release status23:29
rickspencer3any other business?23:29
TheMusonope not from me.23:29
NafaiYay for me :)23:29
RAOFNafai: :)23:29
rickspencer3hi Nafai23:29
RAOFNone from me.23:29
robert_ancellNafai, welcome!23:29
brycehheya Nafai23:29
rickspencer3Nafai, is based in Utah, which is only 1 hour in the future for me23:29
TheMusoWelcome Nafai.23:30
RAOFWelcome Nafai.23:30
NafaiThanks guys, I'm excited23:30
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dutchiehas the meeting finished now?23:39
seb128dutchie, yes23:40
dutchieseb128: cool, would you prefer a debdiff or a merge request in LP?23:40
seb128either way23:40
dutchieI've applied the patch, I'm just checking it builds23:40
seb128dutchie, hum, I think I confused the bug with an another one23:43
seb128there is no cairo change required there23:44
seb128I did try to git change earlier in the cycle though23:44
seb128but I didn't see any difference there23:44
dutchieI'm looking at bug 248335, and have applied the patch from the linked fd.o one (http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5589)23:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248335 in ubuntu "WG111T usb Dongle not functional in hardy (dup-of: 147203)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24833523:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 147203 in ubuntu "WG111T not working on Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14720323:45
ubottuFreedesktop bug 5589 in cairo backend "image scaling with cairo is poor quality" [Major,Resolved: fixed]23:45
dutchieoops, bug 24835523:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24835523:45
seb128ups, ignore the url I copied23:46
seb128well I tried the git change some months ago23:46
seb128but I didn't see any rendering issue when using it23:46
seb128issue -> difference23:46
seb128bug #9229623:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 92296 in poppler "Low quality of text rendering in Evince" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9229623:48
seb128see I commented on this one23:48
seb128comment #2123:48
seb128let me know if you have example showing the issue23:49
dutchieit's the same upstream bug23:49
seb128and how the commit makes a difference23:49
seb128I know I tried this git commit before23:49
seb128it just didn't seem to change anything with the examples on launchpad23:49
seb128not sure those example are showing the issue though23:49
seb128or if depends on other settings23:50
seb128like screen or fonts being used23:50
dutchiewell, I can certainly confirm the image quality is pretty poor now23:51
seb128let me know how the change work then23:51
seb128and add an example of low quality to the bug if you can23:51
dutchieI'm using one of the examples23:51
seb128the screenshots showing the issue are not very useful to try23:51
seb128which one?23:52
dutchiehang on, chromium is having a bit of a hissy23:52
dutchiebuilding packages on netbook == not fun23:53
seb128k, quality is not really good23:54
seb128let's see how it behaves with the change23:54
dutchiefwiw, google docs does the job fine ;)23:54
dutchieArthurOutputDev.cc:586:2: warning: #warning FIX THIS23:55
dutchiethat fills me with hope23:55
LaserJockhah, laser jock bad quality PDF FTL :(23:56
LaserJockmy boss did her PhD with Zewail23:56
chrisccoulsonhey Nafai, welcome aboard :)23:56
NafaiThanks chrisccoulson23:56

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