[15:04] <Gonxa> hi
[15:04] <Gonxa> my ingles is basic
[15:04] <Gonxa> somebody knows about j2me?
[15:05] <Gonxa> si saben sobre alguna base de datos ligera
[15:06] <Gonxa> if they know about any lightweight database
[16:32] <LaserJock> hi all, I'm wondering why there are 3 different Java's in Main (sun-java, openjdk, and gcj)
[16:46] <nthykier> LaserJock: There are or used to be more
[16:47] <nthykier> cacao and kaffe to mention two that were "recently" removed from Debian
[16:48] <nthykier> To answer your question: in the "old" days there was only the sun-java, but is not open source so a lot of free alternatives (gcj, cacao, kaffe, etc.) popped up.
[16:49] <nthykier> openjdk-6 is outcome of Sun re-licensing most of sun-java into an open source license.
[16:50] <nthykier> That is simplified short story
[16:54] <nthykier> LaserJock: There has been an interest lately to reduce the number of JVMs (among the reasons cacao vanished from Debian). I think Ubuntu also considered removing sun-java
[18:31] <LaserJock> nthykier: I was considering trying out eclipse or netbeans or something, but it's not clear what JVM I should use or if there's significant difference
[18:32] <LaserJock> seems like eclipse wants both gcj and openjdk
[19:10] <nthykier> LaserJock: Not in Karmic and Lucid - earlier versions of eclipse, yes
[19:10] <nthykier> or rather, that might be the case for earlier versions
[19:12] <LaserJock> I'm on lucid
[19:13] <LaserJock> I've installed openjdk-jdk as I thought that'd be the place to start
[19:13] <LaserJock> but it still want gcj
[19:14] <nthykier> LaserJock: Which version of eclipse is it trying to install?
[19:14] <LaserJock> says 3.5.2-2ubuntu1
[19:15] <LaserJock> yikes: "Need to get 195MB of archives."
[19:16] <nthykier> LaserJock: Install without recommends
[19:16] <nthykier> LaserJock: I hope it is one of eclipse's dependencies that recommends gcj somewhere down the road
[19:17] <LaserJock> "Need to get 166MB of archives." but no gcj :-)
[19:19] <nthykier> LaserJock: On Debian eclipse is perfectly installable without getting gcj
[19:19] <LaserJock> oh, netbeans only requires like half as much to download
[19:21] <nthykier> LaserJock: Could I have you report a bug against eclipse about this? it should not force the installation of gcj (even if indirectly) since eclipse does not work with gcj
[19:34] <LaserJock> nthykier: actually, could you maybe report it for me. Launchpad is acting up on me today
[19:35] <nthykier> LaserJock: I have not been able to modify bugs for a week