[00:00] <dutchie> glad to see someone picked up on bzr commit --fixes :)
[00:02] <godbyk> dutchie: :)
[00:03] <godbyk> now I get to scroll back through 8 hours of irc logs and see if I missed anything interesting. :)
[00:03]  * dutchie thinks quickshot could do with its own channel
[00:03] <godbyk> dutchie: re: the rosetta issues.. we've just given up on that, basically?
[00:04] <dutchie> until writing freeze
[00:04] <godbyk> it probably could these days.
[00:04] <godbyk> well, I meant the issue with the translations not being marked fuzzy or whatever.
[00:04] <dutchie> the bug got commented on earlier
[00:04] <dutchie> I can't remember why
[00:05] <godbyk> Someone remarked on it just complaining that it hasn't been fixed and it's been broken for years.  they also asked if there were better tools to use than rosetta (that would handle the string comparison better)
[00:06] <dutchie> ah, have you got a link handy?
[00:06] <dutchie> ah, nm
[00:06] <dutchie> bug 535371
[00:06] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 535371 in ubuntu-manual "Translations keep disappearing" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535371
[00:08] <dutchie> it's a difficult problem
[00:09] <dutchie> it might make more sense to declare the manual as open for translations only after the writing freeze
[00:09] <dutchie> then we could work without the translators breathing down our necks
[00:11] <dutchie> bloody superfluous spaces
[00:13]  * dutchie heads to bed
[00:13] <dutchie> night
[00:13] <godbyk> dutchie: g'night.
[00:29] <godbyk> are any of the quickshot guys still around?
[00:41] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[00:41] <Red_HamsterX> Need me, godbyk?
[00:43]  * Red_HamsterX wanders off to eat.
[02:09]  * godbyk signs
[02:09]  * godbyk sighs
[02:09]  * godbyk gives hand-sign to his isp
[02:09] <godbyk> stupid internet connection.
[02:10] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: still around?
[02:11] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[02:19] <godbyk> My connection dropped. Sorry about that.
[02:19] <godbyk> Here's what I attempted to say earlier:
[02:20] <godbyk> Hey, Red_HamsterX.  Per your earlier discussion about unifying the hostnames for the screenshots. I think it's a good idea.
[02:20] <godbyk> You don't need to change the hostname, though -- just change the prompt itself.
[02:22] <godbyk> argh!
[02:22] <Red_HamsterX> ?
[02:23] <Red_HamsterX> Unifying hostnames?
[02:23] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, oyu mean the Bash prompts?
[02:23] <Red_HamsterX> Prefix with a p1 export?
[02:23] <Red_HamsterX> assignment*
[02:24] <Red_HamsterX> PS1*
[02:25] <godbyk> connection dropped again.
[02:25] <godbyk> FML
[02:25] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: what messages of mine did you get? (if any)
[02:25] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: yes
[02:25] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: use $PS1 instead of actually changing the hostname.
[02:26] <Red_HamsterX> I got everything through "argh!"
[02:26] <Red_HamsterX> Setting PS1 while launching gnome-terminal doesn't seem to be working...
[02:26] <Red_HamsterX> I think it's re-reading bash_rc or something.
[02:27] <Red_HamsterX> PS1='quickshot@quickshot:~$' gnome-terminal
[02:27] <Red_HamsterX> That's what I tried.
[02:28] <Red_HamsterX> It updated the working context, but it did nothing to the child.
[02:28] <Red_HamsterX> (So pre-emptively setting it on launch wouldn't work)
[02:28] <Red_HamsterX> Even exporting it is failing.
[02:28] <godbyk> gnome-terminal rereads .bashrc or .bash_profile (I forget which one).
[02:29] <godbyk> But as long as you're creating the user, you can set the .bashrc to contain whatever you like
[02:29] <Red_HamsterX> I suppose we could edit that directly as part of the installation/on-load process.
[02:29] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah. Just >> the string.
[02:29] <Red_HamsterX> I'll try that.
[02:29] <godbyk> echo "export PS1='quickshot@quickshot:~$'" >> .bashrc
[02:29] <godbyk> during login or something
[02:29] <Red_HamsterX> We're definitely going to need to excise all the Ubuntu-specific stuff from this thing when we start rebuilding it.
[02:30]  * Red_HamsterX hates tightly coupled designs.
[02:33] <Red_HamsterX> Yep. Seem to working as expected.
[02:33] <Red_HamsterX> Great idea, godbyk. :)
[02:33] <godbyk> cool
[02:34] <godbyk> only took me two hours to get it out. :-)
[02:35] <Red_HamsterX> Call your ISP and say you need to speak with network operations regarding spam or something, then start complaining.
[02:35] <Red_HamsterX> You'll almost certainly reach someone capable.
[02:36] <godbyk> I'm guessing it's a problem in the cable.  (It's a cable ISP.)
[02:36] <godbyk> I had a tech out here last week and he replaced some splitters with barrel connectors, but didn't test the signal strength afterward because he'd already taken his meter back to the truck.
[02:36] <Red_HamsterX> Doesn't matter. Escalate it to someone who doesn't normally hear about these things.
[02:36] <godbyk> I figured, okay, we'll see if that fixes it.
[02:36] <godbyk> Well, it didn't
[02:37] <godbyk> So now I'm going to have to have a tech come out again and actually test the line all the way through this time.
[02:37] <Red_HamsterX> My signal strength is pretty weak here, too. :(
[02:37] <godbyk> When the Internet is up, the speeds are good.
[02:37] <Red_HamsterX> If I connect the TV on the other side of this room, I lose access every hour oir so.
[02:37] <godbyk> In fact, let me test the speed real quick.
[02:39] <godbyk> download is about 7 mb and upload is about 1 mb.
[02:39] <godbyk> and it's the evening when most people will be on.  (cable is a shared medium)
[02:39] <Red_HamsterX> DOCSIS 2 or 3?
[02:39]  * Red_HamsterX flaunts relevant knowledge.
[02:39] <godbyk> no idea what that means. :)
[02:40] <godbyk> last time I worked at an isp it was dial-up and just starting to roll out wireless. :-)
[02:40] <Red_HamsterX> It's an IP-over-Coax standard.
[02:40] <godbyk> I see that.. (reading the wikipedia article).
[02:41] <godbyk> is there a way to find out easily?
[02:41] <godbyk> I don't own the modem, so can't do much there, I'm afraid.
[02:41] <Red_HamsterX> Dunno.
[02:41] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't really matter.
[02:41] <godbyk> bummer.
[02:41] <godbyk> The company is Mediacom.
[02:41] <Red_HamsterX> I was just bringing it up because you mentioned that cable is shared.
[02:41] <Red_HamsterX> I'm a prideful geek. =P
[02:41] <godbyk> aha. :)
[02:41] <Red_HamsterX> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/firepower-prompt.jpg
[02:42] <Red_HamsterX> We should so do that!
[02:42] <godbyk> lol
[02:42] <godbyk> sure! as soon as it's the default prompt in ubuntu. ;-)
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> I seem to fodly remember creating custom prompts forever ago.
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> fondly*
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> I'm glad those days are gone.
[02:43] <godbyk> I used to do it on DOS a lot. Haven't done it on linux, really.
[02:43] <godbyk> I just force the color prompt.
[02:43] <Red_HamsterX> I had a three-line monstrosity that stopped just short of telling me the weather.
[02:44] <Red_HamsterX> Probably to compensate for the fact that I was using Fluxbox at the time.
[02:44] <Red_HamsterX> And therefore had no useful information anywhere else.
[02:44] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: you should set the prompt to 'quickshot@quickshot-computer' or whatever example form is used in the manual.
[02:44] <Red_HamsterX> I'll need to ask ubuntujenkins what he's using on the LiveCD.
[02:45] <Red_HamsterX> Though that does seem better than 'quickshot@quickshot'.
[02:46] <Red_HamsterX> Since it actually says "This one's a hostname!"
[02:47] <godbyk> exactly.
[02:57] <godbyk> brb
[03:20] <donri> Have this manual team considered making any other manuals, or will you be busy even just updating the ubuntu manual when it's out?
[03:20] <donri> Your work is extra ordinary.
[04:18] <godbyk> lack of Internet seriously sucks.
[04:23] <humphreybc> lol
 Have this manual team considered making any other manuals, or will you be busy even just updating the ubuntu manual when it's out? <donri> Your work is extra ordinary.
[04:35] <godbyk> donri: We will look at writing other manuals after Lucid.
[04:44] <donri> Maybe topic-oriented manuals centered around Ubuntu. "Photo editing in Ubuntu" (gimp) "Programming in Ubuntu" (Python, PyGTK) ...
[04:45] <donri> But probably prioritize topics lacking quality documentation.
[04:45] <donri> (Free content documentation.)
[04:52] <donri> Alternatively, "Getting started with GIMP 2.6"; but it seems easier to focus on Ubuntu (not spending a chapter about installation on various systems).
[04:52] <donri> (Familiar screenshots.)
[06:13] <godbyk> Hey, IlyaHaykinson. How goes it?
[06:13] <godbyk> My Internet connection is total crap again today.
[06:13] <godbyk> I'm trying to edit and commit as quickly as possible.  Driving me nuts.
[06:14] <IlyaHaykinson> doing ok.
[06:14] <IlyaHaykinson> amending the proofreading script with some other things i know about that are wrong
[06:14] <IlyaHaykinson> looking at a spellchecker
[06:15] <godbyk> awesome
[06:16] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: aspell -t should work
[06:16] <godbyk> I've been just running spell-check from within vim when I have a file open.
[06:16] <IlyaHaykinson> sure. but so would a nice little python wrapper for all of those
[06:16] <godbyk> feel free to totally rewrite that proofreading script if you want.
[06:16] <godbyk> I just hacked it together really quickly to check a couple things. It's horribly inefficient and limited in what it can do right now.
[06:17] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Oh, and if you come across all-caps acronyms, wrap them in \acronym.  Like \acronym{GUI}, \acronym{GNOME}, etc.
[06:17] <IlyaHaykinson> ah, sure.
[06:17] <humphreybc> godbyk: I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with the PDF you sent me
[06:18] <godbyk> what pdf?
[06:18] <godbyk> oh.
[06:18] <humphreybc> it has a lot of yellow stuff blanking out loads of things
[06:18] <godbyk> those are the edits and remarks from meho_r.
[06:18] <godbyk> yeah, you'll have to load it in acronread to see the annotations properly.
[06:18] <humphreybc> oh
[06:18] <godbyk> evince/poppler don't support them well yet, apparently.
[06:18] <humphreybc> do I need to install acronread?
[06:19] <godbyk> yep
[06:19] <meho_r> Hi guys
[06:19] <humphreybc> acronread or acroread?
[06:19] <godbyk> acroread
[06:19] <godbyk> sorry
[06:19] <meho_r> Sorry for inconvenience
[06:19] <humphreybc> I can't get that on Lucid, remember
[06:19] <humphreybc> it's not packaged for Lucid yet
[06:19] <godbyk> typing quickly tonight for fear the internet will go down any second. :)
[06:19] <meho_r> humphreybc, you can use wine?
[06:19] <godbyk> meho_r: no worries. it works great for me in acroread and it's easy to follow.
[06:20] <meho_r> ok
[06:20] <humphreybc> godbyk: perhaps you can just do the implementation then
[06:20] <humphreybc> I have some more things to go through in chapter 4
[06:20] <godbyk> humphreybc: if it hasn't been done already, we should probably start culling out the unfinished bits that won't make it into the final version.
[06:20] <humphreybc> plus I have to start sorting out all the announcements and whatnot
[06:20] <godbyk> humphreybc: sure.
[06:21] <godbyk> humphreybc: I agree with IlyaHaykinson's email, btw. We should branch after the writing freeze and let the translators work on the frozen branch while the authors, editors, etc. continue improving the main branch for the next edition.
[06:21] <humphreybc> yep
[06:21] <humphreybc> anyone know how to branch?
[06:22] <IlyaHaykinson> are you sure that's possible in launchpad?
[06:22] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. the ability to work on a non-head branch/
[06:22] <IlyaHaykinson> for translations etc
[06:22] <IlyaHaykinson> i figured we'd have to branch for the _new_ version, but if we can branch off the first edition that would be great.
[06:23] <humphreybc> we could create a new series
[06:23] <humphreybc> and copy what we have in the main branch across
[06:23] <humphreybc> maybe
[06:23] <IlyaHaykinson> oh, no need to copy explicitly
[06:23] <IlyaHaykinson> bzr should be able to do that.
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson> it's more a question of how launchpad treats branches
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson> actually, you can try it with the website first.
[06:24] <IlyaHaykinson> it's a separate project, right?
[06:24] <humphreybc> yeah
[06:24] <godbyk> I'll let you guys work out the technical details. Just fill me in on how I'm supposed to do whatever I'm supposed to do. :-)
[06:24] <humphreybc> ok
[06:25]  * humphreybc is running out of steam, the writing freeze can't come soon enough =S
[06:26] <godbyk> I'm running out of energy, too, but I wish the writing freeze were another couple weeks away. :-)
[06:26] <humphreybc> lol
[06:26] <godbyk> Still a *ton* of editing to do!
[06:27] <humphreybc> yeah
[06:27] <humphreybc> prologue to 3 are okay, 3 is okay, 4 is a disaster but i'll fix it, 5 isn't that great but jamin's going to fix it, 6, 7, 8 and 9 I have no idea but it sounds like you guys are working on them
[06:28] <godbyk> I just edited 9.
[06:28] <godbyk> chapter 9 is just weird.
[06:28] <humphreybc> lol
[06:28] <humphreybc> dutchie wrote most of it :P
[06:28] <godbyk> it's not really about learning more about ubuntu.  it's about linux distributions.
[06:29] <humphreybc> yeah
[06:29] <godbyk> it should be fleshed out some more.
[06:29] <humphreybc> that's why I changed the name to Learning More
[06:29] <godbyk> I was expecting it to be a guide to other resources for getting more information or help.
[06:29] <godbyk> but it wasn't that at all.
[06:29] <humphreybc> that stuff should be there
[06:30] <godbyk> yeah, it's not. :)
[06:31] <humphreybc> i'm going to re-write the last section of that chapter now
[06:31] <godbyk> okey doke.
[06:31] <godbyk> don't make any mistakes!
[06:31] <humphreybc> i'll try not to :P
[06:32] <godbyk> I'm going to incorporate meho_r's work (prologue through part of chapter 2)
[06:32] <humphreybc> okay...
[06:32] <humphreybc> what are the main changes?
[06:32] <humphreybc> (the prologue thru chapter 2 I've already gone through)
[06:33] <meho_r> consistency
[06:33] <meho_r> formattings
[06:33] <humphreybc> ah, well that's alright then
[06:33] <meho_r> etc.
[06:33] <humphreybc> cool
[06:42] <humphreybc> Okay give me some more places to get help, so far I have (in this order), the in-built help, community documentation, ubuntu forums, launchpad answers, IRC help in #ubuntu
[06:42] <humphreybc> what else?
[06:42] <humphreybc> I was thinking of doing the Official Ubuntu Book, Keir Thomas' Pocket Guide
[06:46] <humphreybc> godbyk, there isn't enough difference between sections and subsections
[06:47] <godbyk> humphreybc: It's on my list.
[06:47] <humphreybc> cool, thanks
[06:47] <godbyk> I'm trying hard to push the formatting stuff off until after the writing freeze.
[06:47] <humphreybc> that's all good
[06:48] <humphreybc> just as long as it's on your list :D
[06:53] <godbyk> my long, long list. :)
[06:54] <humphreybc> Should I mention the Official Ubuntu Book as a source for extra help?
[06:54] <humphreybc> or Keir Thomas' pocket guide?
[06:54] <humphreybc> they're both kinda out of date
[06:58] <godbyk> Your call.
[06:58] <godbyk> I'd limit our recommendations to things that are up to date and will actually be helpful.
[06:58] <humphreybc> yeah
[06:59] <humphreybc> I'm not going to include them
[06:59] <humphreybc> I'm just pushing my new stuff now, have a look
[06:59] <godbyk> 'kay
[07:00] <godbyk> Change "OS X" to "Mac OS X" everywhere.
[07:00] <humphreybc> k
[07:01] <donri> But don't mass-replace "Mac OS X" into "Mac Mac OS X" everywhere. ;)
[07:01] <humphreybc> lol\
[07:01] <godbyk> heh.. right.
[07:05] <humphreybc> doing good guys :)
[07:05] <humphreybc> godbyk: have a look at that stuff I wrote and let me know what you think
[07:05]  * humphreybc is going to cook some dinner, be back in about 30 minutes
[07:14] <meho_r> godbyk, should I use different colors for formatting stuff like bolds, italics, spaces etc. so you may skip them at this moment?
[07:15] <godbyk> meho_r: Sure. If you're going to color things, try to do it semantically.  So one color means it's the first time a word is being defined, another color means the word is being emphasized, etc.
[07:15] <meho_r> That could be a lot of colors then :D
[07:16] <godbyk> meho_r: Also, you don't need to flag the acronyms anymore. I'm going to take care of all of those at once pretty soon.
[07:16] <Red_HamsterX> Anyone need me to look at anything Quickshot-related before I go to sleep?
[07:16] <meho_r> godbyk, so you decided which one to use?
[07:16] <meho_r> small caps or all caps?
[07:16] <IlyaHaykinson> heh, spellchecker is helping
[07:16] <godbyk> meho_r: I think I'm going to use small caps.
[07:16] <IlyaHaykinson> let me commit it
[07:17] <meho_r> godbyk, OK. Just don't forget MB, GHz, CD :-P
[07:17] <godbyk> meho_r: Yeah, MHz and GHz will have to remain as-is.  Plus, they're not really acronyms.  But MB and CD will get small-capped.
[07:18] <godbyk> I'm going to also lave the mixed-case words like OpenSUSE as-is.
[07:18] <meho_r> OldStyle numbers look weird when followed my AllCaps MHz :
[07:18] <godbyk> meho_r: yeah, but it's a pretty rare occurrence.
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: can you pull, run the pkgs/install-pkgs.sh script and make sure the python-enchant gets installed?
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson> and then ./spellcheck.py|less
[07:19] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: sure
[07:19] <Red_HamsterX> 'mb' I can kinda see, but why are you lower-casing 'CD'?
[07:19] <meho_r> godbyk, do you have "conventions" list finished?
[07:19] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: not lower-casing, but in small-caps.
[07:20] <godbyk> meho_r: Not finished by any means.  What there is can be found in Help/godbyk/latex-handout/, though.
[07:20] <Red_HamsterX> Like the CSS property of a similar name?
[07:20] <Red_HamsterX> property/attribute/whatever
[07:20] <Red_HamsterX> Eh. I'm sure you know what you're doing.
[07:21] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: if you pull and compile the pdf, look at chapter 9 for 'GNU', 'GNOME', and the like.
[07:25] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: did you push?
[07:25] <IlyaHaykinson> er, heh. maybe that's the problem, eh? :)
[07:25] <IlyaHaykinson> one sec
[07:26] <Red_HamsterX> texlive sure takes a while to install...
[07:27] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: yeah, it's a big download and install.
[07:28] <Red_HamsterX> ! LaTeX Error: File `xkeyval.sty' not found.
[07:28] <manualbot> Red_HamsterX: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:28] <Red_HamsterX> Did I forget to installa  package?
[07:28] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: in the pkgs/ dir, run the install-pkgs.sh script
[07:29] <Red_HamsterX> Ah. I probably should have searched before assuming I knew what I was doing.
[07:31] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, pushed.. it's not great (lots of false positives), but helps find some errors if you're patient
[07:36] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: spell-checker works pretty handily!
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> nod. script can use quite a bit of fixing up at some point, to a) make it use a word list, instead of having all that exception stuff in code, b) use a better tokenizer so that we're not splitting de-selected as de and selected
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson> and need a ton of add'l exceptions
[07:41] <IlyaHaykinson> but, well, it's a start
[07:41] <godbyk> yeah.
[07:41] <godbyk> most of those exceptions will get added to the word list in our style guide to show the proper spelling, too.
[07:42] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[07:43] <nisshh> time to rock the glossary
[07:43] <godbyk> nisshh: I keep adding more TODOs for the glossary. :)
[07:43] <nisshh> ok, ill have a look
[07:44] <nisshh> godbyk: have you fixed the issue with smallcaps and the \gls command?
[07:44] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: I thought it used to be UNIX. Is it Unix now?
[07:44] <godbyk> nisshh: I'm not sure.  Point me at an example of it and I'll take a look.
[07:45] <nisshh> there is no example in the tex right now, it caused a make error so i had to remove it
[07:46] <nisshh> godbyk: but if say i change this: \small-caps{GNOME}
[07:46] <godbyk> nisshh: Where was that place? I'll try it here.
[07:46] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: UNIX only when talking about -the- UNIX
[07:46] <nisshh> to this: small-caps{\gls{GNOME}}
[07:46] <nisshh> then theres a make error
[07:46] <IlyaHaykinson> otherwise, "Unix" is common to mean "UNIX-like"
[07:47] <nisshh> godbyk: it was in the prologue i think
[07:47] <godbyk> nisshh: Okay, let me take a look at it.
[07:47] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Fair enough.
[07:48] <nisshh> godbyk: ok, ill link other entries in the mean time
[07:48] <godbyk> nisshh: Try this: For the glossary entries that are acronyms, wrap the contents of the name argument in \acronym.
[07:48] <godbyk> For instance:  \newglossaryentry{GNOME}{name={\acronym{GNOME}}, description={Blah blah blah.}}
[07:48] <godbyk> See if that works.
[07:48] <nisshh> godbyk: ok
[07:49] <godbyk> Then you don't need to use \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}} and it's more correct anyway.
[07:49] <nisshh> godbyk: so i can remove the \smallcaps{} command and just have \gls{GNOME}?
[07:50] <godbyk> nisshh: Yep.
[07:50] <godbyk> Use \acronym instead of \smallcaps in the \newglossaryentry, too.
[07:50] <godbyk> (New command. :))
[07:51]  * humphreybc is back
[07:52] <nisshh> godbyk: i never used \smallcaps in \newglossaryentry
[07:52] <nisshh> godbyk: someone put it in the chapter tex
[07:53] <godbyk> nisshh: I know. I just wanted to point out that you should use \acronym instead of \smallcaps now.  \smallcaps was the original command. I just created the \acronym command today.
[07:54] <nisshh> ah, right i just saw that they had all been converted
[07:54] <nisshh> compiling it now
[07:58] <humphreybc> what happens when you choose "Guided partitioning"
[07:58] <humphreybc> ?
[07:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: doesnt it say?
[07:59] <nisshh> in the installer
[07:59] <humphreybc> no idea
[08:00] <nisshh> i have a vague memory of there being an option called "Guided - Use Entire Disk
[08:00] <nisshh> :
[08:00] <nisshh> and "Guided - Choose between them at boot
[08:01] <humphreybc> nvm
[08:01] <humphreybc> Migration assistant?
[08:01] <humphreybc> Unless someone can tell me about it, it's going to be cut
[08:02] <humphreybc> too late, it's gone
[08:02] <nisshh> noooooooo!
[08:02] <nisshh> :)
[08:03] <nisshh> godbyk: \acronym works great!
[08:03] <godbyk> nisshh: awesome!
[08:03] <godbyk> that'll simplify it then.
[08:04] <nisshh> yea
[08:05] <nisshh> lol im trying to convert 3.8k songs from mp3 to ogg, compile the manual, browse the net, install a game and edit tex, all on a 7 year old p4
[08:05] <humphreybc> we've been burning through the revisions recently
[08:05] <nisshh> and its not slow
[08:05] <humphreybc> it was up to like 550 only a few days ago, and now i'm just pushing 662!
[08:06] <donri> mp3 to vorbis results in worse quality than either mp3 or original vorbis.
[08:06] <nisshh> humphreybc: good feeling isnt it!
[08:06] <nisshh> donri: not noticable by ear, just on paper it is
[08:06] <donri> I have OCD.
[08:07] <humphreybc> why are you converting them to ogg?
[08:07] <nisshh> donri: should save me around 5gigs+ of disk space
[08:07] <donri> Of course, I also have OCD about using mp3. :(
[08:08] <nisshh> more once i get another 80gigs of music off a friend
[08:09] <nisshh> estimated 2 1/2 days remaining to convert all of them lol
[08:09] <nisshh> its right now i wish i had a 6 core cpu
[08:11] <humphreybc> hey godbyk, how's that nomenclature going?
[08:11] <godbyk> Seirously?
[08:11] <humphreybc> yeah :)
[08:11] <godbyk> I just got done typing a short list for it.
[08:11] <godbyk> :)
[08:11] <humphreybc> cool, it's V important
[08:11] <godbyk> I'm going to finish meho_r's edits and then I'll get back to it.
[08:11] <humphreybc> good man
[08:11] <godbyk> It is important, but I can't really do it until I'm done fiddling with the formatting.
[08:11] <godbyk> Right now I think there's way too much bold.
[08:12] <meho_r> Yeah
[08:12] <godbyk> Also, everything is so inconsistent.  Half the time people didn't use the actual commands.
[08:12] <godbyk> So I'm trying to fix that, too.
[08:12] <nisshh> godbyk: wow, really?
[08:12] <godbyk> Apparently people like to just bold and italicize things randomly. :)
[08:12] <nisshh> meh
[08:12] <humphreybc> yup
[08:13] <godbyk> I mean, they usually have some reason for doing it, but it's not necessarily consistent with anyone else's actions.
[08:13] <meho_r> That's why I asked about convention part. It should have been done first IMHO
[08:13] <godbyk> meho_r: Some of it was.
[08:13] <humphreybc> it'll be better for next release, don't worry
[08:13] <meho_r> :)
[08:13] <humphreybc> it's not the end of the world :)
[08:13] <godbyk> But people ran into cases where they needed a new semantic command and didn't bother to have me create one. They just used the bold/italic/whatever command directly.
[08:14] <nisshh> uh, yuck
[08:14] <meho_r> Too many edits?
[08:14] <meho_r> Too many people?
[08:14] <godbyk> I'm thinking there will have to be a second edition -- just for me. :)
[08:14] <meho_r> :)
[08:14] <godbyk> meho_r: That, and there was no guide up-front about a lot of the situations.
[08:15] <godbyk> And no one brought up the questions. They just did whatever came to mind first and didn't check with what others were doing.
[08:15] <humphreybc> godbyk: USB needs the \acronym command?
[08:15] <godbyk> That's going to be one of the first things I work on when we get this first edition pushed out: a style guide.
[08:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: yep
[08:15] <godbyk> brb
[08:15] <humphreybc> cool
[08:15] <meho_r> godbyk, I'll send you next couple of pages in a min.
[08:16] <nisshh> one thing we should do is point all new budding authors to that style guide once godbyk fixes it up
[08:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[08:16] <humphreybc> well the plan in the future is to have some sort of latex GUI app with buttons that people can hit to enter commands
[08:17] <humphreybc> kinda like word when you highlight some text and then hit italics
[08:17] <humphreybc> it'll be a WYSIWYG editor
[08:17] <humphreybc> so they wouldn't see the command, but they'd see it become italics
[08:17] <godbyk> back
[08:18] <godbyk> meho_r: thanks. I'm just starting on your installation chapter edits.
[08:18]  * godbyk thinks humphreybc is dreaming big
[08:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: wow, that will take a while to develop
[08:18] <humphreybc> :)
[08:18]  * nisshh agrees with godbyk
[08:19] <humphreybc> i'm sure we can do it
[08:22] <godbyk> I think I would prefer to use inline icons instead of some of the textual descriptions (for, say, the session menu, etc.).  But that may have to wait until a second edition.
[08:23] <meho_r> Can you tell me how large the source is? (I have monthly bandwidth limit and considering to get involved directly in future)
[08:23] <godbyk> gah.. humphreybc, could you possible have used the word "CD" more times in the installation chapter? ;-)
[08:23]  * godbyk is adding \acronym
[08:24] <humphreybc> lol
[08:24] <nisshh> hehe
[08:24] <donri> "CD means a CD disk."
[08:24] <nisshh> hehe
[08:24] <humphreybc> I think it's actually "disc"
[08:24] <donri> "Built with NT technology."
[08:24] <humphreybc> so there's like HDD = Hard disk drive
[08:24] <humphreybc> and then CD is compact disc
[08:25] <humphreybc> note the different spelling of disc
[08:25] <donri> Yea.
[08:25]  * nisshh just realised humphreybc has a bad habbit of repeating himself
[08:25] <donri> But we actually say "CD disc" in Swedish.
[08:25] <donri> That's somewhat amusing.
[08:25] <humphreybc> nisshh: I do?
[08:25] <humphreybc> where?
[08:25] <nisshh> in the installation chapter lol
[08:26] <humphreybc> what do I repeat?
[08:26] <nisshh> CD alot of times :)
[08:26] <humphreybc> oh right
[08:27]  * humphreybc is editing Sayantan's sound section.....
[08:28] <nisshh> godbyk: what does the \glspl command do?
[08:28] <godbyk> nisshh: It puts in the plural form of the word.
[08:28] <godbyk> So "I have seven \glspl{apple}."  --> "I have seven apples."
[08:29] <humphreybc> that's silly
[08:29] <humphreybc> what happens if you have a special plural?
[08:29] <godbyk> If the plural form of the word is not created by simply adding 's' to the end, then you'll need to add 'plural={apples}' (or whatever) to the \newglossaryentry.
[08:29] <humphreybc> Like "I have seven \glspl{sheep}." does it become "I have seven sheeps." ?
[08:29] <godbyk> humphreybc: It won't if nisshh does a good job. :-)
[08:30] <humphreybc> lol
[08:31] <jaminday> Hey all, anyone editing chapter 5 at the moment?
[08:31] <nisshh> nope
[08:31] <humphreybc> jaminday, deploy!
[08:31] <jaminday> Ok, I'll be taking a look tonight then. Just didn't want to double up and cause conflicts!
[08:32] <jaminday> humphreybc: Did i read that you cut the partitioning section?
[08:32] <nisshh> godbyk: ok
[08:32] <humphreybc> sort of
[08:33] <jaminday> ok - taking a look now
[08:34] <nisshh> godbyk: i still get a make error doing \acronym{\gls{GUI}}
[08:35] <godbyk> nisshh: just use \gls{GUI}.  no \acronym needed there.
[08:35] <godbyk> the \acronym bit only goes in the \newglossaryentry part.
[08:36] <nisshh> ah, gotcha
[08:38] <nisshh> godbyk: working again now, funny how im the only one who seems to break stuff now
[08:39] <godbyk> heh.. I break things all the time and have to figure out how to fix 'em.
[08:39] <godbyk> I just don't tell you guys. ;-)
[08:39] <jaminday> humphreybc: yeah i think that's the way to go for this edition (RE partitioning section). It's unfortunate we don't have the time to add this stuff but we will make sure we get to it for next release.
[08:39] <nisshh> hehe, yea but your the texnician!
[08:39] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah
[08:42]  * humphreybc never wants to see another word in his life
[08:43] <nisshh> hehe
[08:45] <jaminday> humphreybc: if you feel like fixing another small bit, i just added another TODO to chapter 2 near the bottom.
[08:45] <jaminday> Revision just pushed
[08:45] <jaminday> cos i know how much you are LOVING writing at the moment
[08:45] <humphreybc> cheers Jamin
[08:45] <humphreybc> (not)
[08:46] <humphreybc> behold, the worst sentence ever
[08:46] <humphreybc> "If you wish to change to another sound source, once the selection is made, that device will become default unless changed."
[08:47] <jaminday> hehe
[08:47] <jaminday> if you wish to change that sentence, once the change is made, that sentence will become changed unless it's changed...
[08:47] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[08:47] <humphreybc> +1
[08:47] <nisshh> one word "WOW"
[08:48] <humphreybc> if you wish the ubuntu manual to be awesome, once you have made it awesome, it will stay awesome until it becomes not awesome.
[08:48] <jaminday> hehe
[08:48] <jaminday> but seriously, i've been so tired some nights while working on this project that i'm sure i've written worse sentences than that!
[08:48] <humphreybc> lol
[08:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: installation chapter: "loop files".. do we need to describe any of these details? can we cut them? they sound scary and confusing.
[08:49] <humphreybc> yeah cut them
[08:49] <jaminday> ooh, i don't remember seeing loop files
[08:49]  * godbyk fears the conflicts that will result when he pulls the latest revision. :-(
[08:49] <nisshh> WOW, how many people used the word "guide"?!?!?
[08:50] <jaminday> i know... what else to call it though! We were trying to steer clear of manual in-text werent we?
[08:50] <godbyk> jaminday: circa page 24
[08:50] <humphreybc> guide/manual same diff
[08:50] <nisshh> jaminday: if we were i didnt know :)
[08:50] <nisshh> yea
[08:51] <humphreybc> note to self: \them doesn't work as well as \then when compiling.
[08:51] <jaminday> hmm... don't know where i got that from then
[08:51] <ubuntujenkins> morning manual team
[08:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: should we just yank the entire wubi section?  there's not much there.
[08:51] <ubuntujenkins> yes do it :P
[08:51] <thorwil> humphreybc, godbyk: Credits, Artwork Title Page mentions Wolter and a Kris Klunder i'm not even aware of, but no David Nel. that ain't right
[08:52] <godbyk> thorwil: nope, it's not. the credits will be overhauled. no fear.
[08:52] <humphreybc> yeah, don't worry, the credits are just placeholders for now
[08:52] <jaminday> godbyk: yeah i think so. Especially to get rid of those scary loop files!
[08:52] <humphreybc> godbyk: I wrote that Wubi section and it took me ages :(
[08:52] <humphreybc> lol
[08:52] <humphreybc> I think we need to keep it to acknowledge it exists
[08:52] <jaminday> humphreybc: we will come back to it, no fear!
[08:52] <humphreybc> Find some info on the community docs or whatever on Wubi and link to that
[08:53] <humphreybc> say it's out of the scope of this guide or some bullshit
[08:53] <thorwil> godbyk: also with  "Authors" and "Artwork and Title Page"  margin-top is less than margin-bottom!?
[08:54] <godbyk> thorwil: the spacing has 'glue' that allows it to stretch and shrink so the page is filled.  that's one of the last things I'll be adjusting before we publish.
[08:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: how about we revisit the wubi installer in the next edition?
[08:54] <humphreybc> :'(
[08:55] <humphreybc> Make it a margin note or something if you must, but don't remove all mention of Wubi
[08:55] <godbyk> crud.. now I have to figure out what changes were made to installation.tex and see what's biffed. :-(
[08:55] <godbyk> I don't want a half-baked explanation in the first chapter of the book. that's just tacky. :)
[08:56] <humphreybc> make it better then
[08:56] <humphreybc> we can't just pretend it doesn't exist because a lot of times newbies are instructed to use Wubi
[08:56]  * humphreybc just pushed changes to chapter 4
[08:56] <godbyk> I don't have time to make it better. I'm busy editing everything else. :)
[08:57] <humphreybc> okay i'll look at it now
[08:57] <humphreybc> commit and push what you have so far
[08:57] <godbyk> I will in just a sec.
[08:57] <godbyk> have to merge with your latest installation.tex stuff
[08:57] <humphreybc> there isn't even ONE margin note in the security chapter
[08:57] <humphreybc> compared to chapter 5 which has tonnes of margin notes
[08:58] <jaminday> You want me to reduce the no of margin notes in chapter 5?
[08:58] <humphreybc> no!
[08:58] <humphreybc> margin notes are good
[08:58] <humphreybc> we just need to increase the amount everywhere else
[08:58] <jaminday> ok
[09:00] <jaminday> godbyk: just to clarify the \gls command- it should be used each time that word appears, yes?
[09:01] <nisshh> nope
[09:01] <godbyk> jaminday: I suggested to nisshh to use it on the first appearance of the word.
[09:01] <godbyk> It can be used more often if you like.
[09:01] <humphreybc> I like it how bug 248355 started with 32 people affected, now it has 74 people after I pimped it on facebook and twitter
[09:01] <nisshh> in each chapter
[09:01] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248355
[09:01] <godbyk> It just has to occur at least once for the entry to appear in the glossary.
[09:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: did you verify that it's the right bug?
[09:02] <jaminday> ah ok. Yeah that makes more sense to me. Every time felt like overkill
[09:02] <humphreybc> godbyk: yeah, it is the same bug
[09:02] <godbyk> jaminday: yeah. basically use it whenever you think the reader might want a reminder (link).
[09:02] <humphreybc> i'm 99.99% sure
[09:02] <jaminday> godbyk / nisshh: no worries, thanks
[09:03] <nisshh> godbyk: why is canonical linked to like 5 times in the prologue?
[09:03] <humphreybc> 5 times? really?
[09:04] <nisshh> i saw atleast 3 yes
[09:04] <nisshh> some right after each other in the next paragraph
[09:04] <godbyk> humphreybc: installation chapter is yours to edit again.
[09:04] <humphreybc> =S
[09:05]  * humphreybc has his hands full with chapter 4
[09:05] <artnay> oh I wish you hadn't removed those website-translations!
[09:06] <godbyk> is anyone editing chapter 2 or can I work on that now?
[09:07]  * humphreybc is listening to rave music to get energized and motivating about editing. F*CK YEA
[09:07] <godbyk> Anyone?  Bueller? Bueller?
[09:07] <humphreybc> godbyk: no
[09:07] <jaminday> godbyk: nope it's all yours i think!
[09:07] <humphreybc> go for it
[09:07] <humphreybc> I think you should work on chapter 6 and 7 though
[09:07] <godbyk> okay, I'm claiming ch 2.  no one else is allowed to touch it 'til I've committed. :-)
[09:07] <godbyk> (or I'm committed.) ;-)
[09:07] <humphreybc> ha
[09:07] <godbyk> let me finish getting meho_r's edits in first.
[09:08] <jaminday> someone's gonna crack soon i'm sure of it
[09:08] <nisshh> meh, you guys do realize iv been doing small changes to about 5 different chapters
[09:08] <humphreybc> hey, godbyk, you lost my awesome commit message
[09:08] <godbyk> meho_r: if you're still around, do you want to jump ahead to ch 6 or 7? I think they need more work.
[09:08] <jaminday> nisshh: any changes in chapter 5?
[09:08] <meho_r> I'm here, but I can't do anything til tonight
[09:08] <godbyk> humphreybc: that'll teach you to get in my way!  Mwuhahaha!
[09:08] <humphreybc> lol
[09:08] <nisshh> hardware? yes 1
[09:09] <jaminday> nope - software management
[09:09] <nisshh> iv just been adding \gls commands everywhere
[09:09] <nisshh> no not yet
[09:09] <meho_r> godbyk, but OK, will take a look in 8-9 hours from now.
[09:09] <godbyk> meho_r: Awesome! Thanks.
[09:10] <nisshh> just if you see a word thats in the glossary or has /gls around it DONT EDIT IT!
[09:10] <meho_r> Should that be seen in .pdf?
[09:10]  * humphreybc is the king of margin notes
[09:10] <jaminday> nisshh: oops
[09:11] <jaminday> i just changed one from \gls to \glspl
[09:11] <jaminday> you want me to change it back?
[09:11] <nisshh> jaminday: thats ok, just dont remove the command
[09:11] <godbyk> meho_r: the \gls command won't be seen, but the word will be hyperlinked to the glossary entry.
[09:11] <jaminday> nisshh: no worries. Not removing the command right... now.
[09:11] <meho_r> So, I should ignore those? I think I won't :-P
[09:12] <meho_r> BTW, I'm working on the file from yesterday
[09:12] <nisshh> meho_r: just dont remove any \gls or \glspl commands
[09:12] <meho_r> nisshh, don't worry, I'm working on .pdf, no editing, just notes and comments :)
[09:13] <jaminday> meho_r: what are you using to add notes to a pdf? Adobe?
[09:13] <meho_r> No, wine + PDF-XChange Viewer
[09:14] <jaminday> ah ok. Are there any native gnome options?
[09:14] <meho_r> For real notes I don't think so.
[09:14] <godbyk> meho_r: I'll update the pdf before I go to bed.
[09:14] <humphreybc> godbyk: btw, the \window command sucks
[09:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: Why?
[09:15] <meho_r> Mendeley can do it, but only locally, all notes are in Mendeleys database, not in .pdf itself.
[09:15] <humphreybc> I dunno, I just don't like the quotes around it
[09:15] <godbyk> meho_r: I think I'm gonna ditch Mendeley as it keeps screwing things up.
[09:15] <godbyk> humphreybc: pester me about it post-writing freeze.
[09:15] <meho_r> godbyk, so I should use that new .pdf for further work?
[09:15] <humphreybc> okay
[09:15] <godbyk> Someone told me I'm not supposed to work on formatting until then. :-)
[09:15] <jaminday> meho_r: ah ok, that's a bummer. I was hoping there was something.
[09:16] <godbyk> meho_r: Yeah. That way you'll get the latest changes from what's happening tonight.
[09:16] <godbyk> If you're going to be on irc for a few hours still, I can ping you when I've updated it. Otherwise if you PM me your email address, I'll email you.
[09:16] <meho_r> jaminday, there is only Okular (but KDE, not Gnome) but the other party should use Okular too to (re)view.
[09:17] <jaminday> humphreybc: I've got another project for you after quickshot - a native gnome pdf viewer/editor with ability to add notes/comments
[09:17] <jaminday> and that doesnt have crappy image aliasing!
[09:18] <godbyk> jaminday: +1
[09:18] <meho_r> jaminday, that would be great, but is it possible to implement?
[09:18] <meho_r> there are problems with pdf on Linux...
[09:18] <jaminday> hehe i got no idea! That's why i delegated...
[09:18] <meho_r> lol
[09:19] <jaminday> if it can be done in kde, surely it can be done in gnome (but better!)
[09:19] <humphreybc> jaminday: heh
[09:20] <humphreybc> sure UMP can handle it
[09:20] <humphreybc> we can handle everything
[09:20] <meho_r> Nice to see you're so optimistic about it. Good luck :D
[09:20] <meho_r> (you'll need it) :D
[09:20] <jaminday> hehe
[09:20] <meho_r> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_PDF
[09:21] <jaminday> well at least it's on the list!
[09:22] <godbyk> Does GNOME/Ubuntu distinguish between 'cursor' and 'mouse pointer'?  (It should, but I want to make sure our terminology is consistent.)
[09:22] <humphreybc> cursor
[09:24] <meho_r> humphreybc, I though cursor is used in text editing and pointer for, well, mouse pointer/arrow :)
[09:24] <godbyk> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/2.30/desktop-terminology.html.en
[09:24] <godbyk> GNOME says 'pointer'
[09:24] <humphreybc> wtf
[09:24] <humphreybc> everywhere I have seen has been cursor
[09:24] <humphreybc> oh well
[09:24] <humphreybc> pointer it is
[09:25] <godbyk> I don't see 'cursor' or 'pointer' on the Ubuntu docs style guide terminology page.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/StandardTerminology
[09:25] <meho_r> humphreybc, Appearance... > Pointer :P
[09:26] <humphreybc> godbyk: did you remove Wubi?
[09:27] <godbyk> humphreybc: yep.
[09:27] <humphreybc> oh
[09:27] <humphreybc> I was going to look at it
[09:27] <godbyk> oh. you can read it in the commit message.
[09:28] <nisshh> godbyk: the word "restore" should not be in the glossary
[09:29] <nisshh> in the manual people talk about restoring grub, restoring passwords, restoring deleted files...
[09:29] <godbyk> nisshh: fair enough.
[09:30] <meho_r> godbyk, thanks for StandardTerminology, wasn't aware of that.
[09:31] <godbyk> meho_r: The GNOME documentation style guide is pretty awesome.  We'll be stealing quite a bit from it for our own style guide.
[09:31] <meho_r> godbyk, why not? :D
[09:31] <meho_r> no need to invent a wheel :P
[09:31] <meho_r> or hot water :D
[09:35] <humphreybc> okay i've pushed my edits to chapter 4
[09:35] <humphreybc> do you think software management should be before hardwarea?
[09:35] <humphreybc> ie, swap 4 and 5?
[09:39] <nisshh> making awesome progress on the glossary
[09:39] <humphreybc> nisshh: YAY
[09:39] <humphreybc> how many things are you up to now?
[09:39] <nisshh> 10 complete as of r662
[09:39] <humphreybc> that's good
[09:39] <nisshh> i havent pulled in a while
[09:39] <humphreybc> if you get 30 done by the freeze that'd be great :D
[09:40] <humphreybc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTvVbWWLGpc
[09:40] <nisshh> hehe, dunno about 30 but should have around 20 at least
[09:47] <nisshh> hehe, thats an awesome beer ad
[09:47] <nisshh> freeze is tommorrow night yea?
[09:48] <humphreybc> yep
[09:48] <humphreybc> well
[09:48] <humphreybc> it'll be thursday for us in aus/nz
[09:48] <humphreybc> thursday at 1pm for me
[09:48] <IlyaHaykinson> i'm removing some of the stuff that's commented out of the security chapter
[09:48] <IlyaHaykinson> there's a lot there
[09:49] <humphreybc> sure
[09:49] <humphreybc> Ilya, how much time do you have?
[09:49] <godbyk> how many hours 'til writing freeze?
[09:49] <IlyaHaykinson> not much at all
[09:49] <IlyaHaykinson> i have a huge project at work. so i'm doing manual work on borrowed sleep time
[09:49] <humphreybc> godbyk: ugh... about 26
[09:50] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: okay
[09:50] <godbyk> When the time is midnight I never know if that means the beginning of the day or the end of the day. :)
[09:50] <IlyaHaykinson> sorry, wish it could be easier.
[09:50] <humphreybc> 0000 is midnight, 1200 is midday
[09:50] <IlyaHaykinson> i'll have a lot more time after April 21st :-)
[09:50] <humphreybc> lol
[09:50] <humphreybc> (when most of the work has been done... convenient, yes?)
[09:50] <nisshh> what the? i just found a major typo, in lucid its "Ubuntu Software Centre" but in the manual people have called it "Ubuntu Software Center"!?!?
[09:50] <humphreybc> hahahahahaahahaha
[09:50] <IlyaHaykinson> nisshh: where? i'll fix it, about to push anyways
[09:50] <humphreybc> lmao
[09:50]  * ubuntujenkins nnnnnnnoooooooooo the live cd build is failing
[09:51] <IlyaHaykinson> oh. in lucid
[09:51] <IlyaHaykinson> itself.
[09:51] <IlyaHaykinson> hehe
[09:51] <godbyk> No!
[09:51] <humphreybc> nisshh: that's a locale thing.
[09:51] <godbyk> It's Software Center in US English.
[09:51] <humphreybc> because you're in Aussie
[09:51] <godbyk> Stop changing it.
[09:51] <nisshh> chapter 5
[09:51] <humphreybc> it's spelt Centre.
[09:51] <humphreybc> but in America it's spelt Center.
[09:51] <IlyaHaykinson> heh. near where i live we have some place called "Theatre Center"
[09:51] <nisshh> far out
[09:51] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: okay that's nuts
[09:51] <nisshh> same with me
[09:51] <humphreybc> nisshh: don't fret, that's how it's meant to be
[09:51] <nisshh> i have a shopping center
[09:52] <humphreybc> anyway I was going to say something important
[09:52] <humphreybc> (everything I say is important, but this is slightly more so)
[09:52] <humphreybc> oh I won't be at the meeting this weekend btw
[09:52] <nisshh> humphreybc: so what the hell do i put in the glossary?
[09:52] <humphreybc> nisshh: Center.
[09:52] <nisshh> center or centre
[09:53] <nisshh> ok
[09:53] <humphreybc> Ubuntu Software Center
[09:53] <jaminday> I'll have to remember that
[09:53] <jaminday> looks weird to me
[09:53] <jaminday> Center...
[09:53] <humphreybc> yeah cos we're aussies and NZers, we do british spelling
[09:53] <nisshh> darn brits!
[09:53] <nisshh> :)
[09:53] <humphreybc> godbyk: maybe it'd be a good idea to do a find and replace for Center
[09:54] <jaminday> Ever noticed how you US spellers put a 'z' in everything...
[09:54] <jaminday> I have
[09:54] <humphreybc> lol
[09:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: I did that once. I'll have to do it again.
[09:55] <godbyk> There are a lot of -ise words in the manual that should be -ize, too.
[09:55] <jaminday> godbyk: maybe wait till i finish looking at chapter 5 as i'll probably fix most as i go
[09:55] <humphreybc> if you wish to say something important, once that important thing has been said, the importance will become changed
[09:55] <godbyk> jaminday: cool
[09:55] <jaminday> hehe
[09:55]  * humphreybc has forgotten what he was going to say, must not have been that important then
[09:55] <jaminday> godbyk: yeah i've had to stop myself so many times from writing -ise
[09:55] <godbyk> Oh, great. humphreybc's losing it!
[09:55] <humphreybc> godbyk: correction, has lost it
[09:57] <godbyk> Also, Whilst -> While.  Sorry. :)
[09:57] <jaminday> speaking of center vs centre, the screenshot in chapter 5 of the Software Centre (Center) is spelt 'Centre'
[09:57] <jaminday> how many times can i say center in one centernce
[09:57] <nisshh> lol
[09:58] <godbyk> jaminday: yeah, I mentioned that to one of the quickshot guys. guess it hasn't been fixed yet.
[09:58] <jaminday> ah ok
[09:58] <nisshh> ok im just testing my changes then im going to push my changes
[09:59] <jaminday> nisshh: ok - i might pull when your done before i make any more changes just in case
[09:59] <nisshh> jaminday: ok
[09:59]  * humphreybc is going to watch an episode of american dad to calm down a bit
[10:00] <jaminday> good humphreybc, good boy
[10:00]  * nisshh says american dad would excite him, not calm him down
[10:00]  * nisshh says the computer calms him
[10:00] <jaminday> humphreybc: perhaps you should watch Anne of Green Gables or something
[10:01] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[10:02] <nisshh> omg, the manual takes literally 5 mins to compile on my computer
[10:02] <nisshh> slow heap of crap
[10:02] <jaminday> hehe
[10:03] <jaminday> yeah it's crazy long now to compile
[10:03] <meho_r> jaminday, I understand -ize, but why "CustomiZe"? :D
[10:03] <meho_r> with capital Z
[10:03] <meho_r> (happened once) :D
[10:03] <jaminday> meho_r: really??
[10:03]  * nisshh wants a quad core i7 soooo badly!
[10:03] <meho_r> Really :D
[10:03] <jaminday> whoever wrote that must be really patriotic
[10:04] <jaminday> they love their american 'z's
[10:04] <nisshh> finally!
[10:05] <godbyk> yeah, I just fixed that.
[10:05] <nisshh> humphreybc ok make that 14 entries finished
[10:06] <nisshh> ok im going to pull now
[10:06] <jaminday> nisshh: pull or push?
[10:06] <nisshh> pull, then push
[10:06] <jaminday> ah
[10:06] <nisshh> ahhhhhhh, conflicts!
[10:08] <artnay> someone should add to prerequisites page that default installation needs po4a (and build-essential to compile tex live) in order to compile the manual
[10:08] <IlyaHaykinson> artnay: run pkgs/install-pkgs.sh
[10:08] <IlyaHaykinson> which should install everything you need
[10:08] <artnay> IlyaHaykinson: that didn't do the trick for me last week, maybe it's been updated since then
[10:09] <godbyk> artnay: it should install po4a.
[10:09] <nisshh> ok pushing now
[10:09] <godbyk> it won't install make, though.
[10:11] <jaminday> nisshh: Are you doing a glossary entry for 'server'?
[10:11] <nisshh> yes
[10:11] <godbyk> I've added it to the list of prereqs and will push it in a few minutes.
[10:11] <jaminday> Ok, i'll add the tag then.
[10:11] <nisshh> ok pushed my changes
[10:12] <nisshh> someone broke make again
[10:13]  * jaminday looks at godbyk suspiciously
[10:13] <nisshh> it says the \menuitem command is obsolete use the \menu command instead
[10:13]  * IlyaHaykinson could be the culprit, hang on, fixing
[10:13] <IlyaHaykinson> old habits die hard. repushing in 1 min
[10:13]  * jaminday apologiSes to godbyk
[10:14]  * godbyk glares at jaminday.
[10:14]  * nisshh laughs
[10:14]  * jaminday uses his massive 'S' to safely reflect godbyk's glare
[10:14] <IlyaHaykinson> oh, such fun in the security chapter.
[10:15] <IlyaHaykinson> "you may wish to encrypt your sensitive data ... by encrypting it"
[10:15] <jaminday> lol
[10:15] <jaminday> humphreybc would like that sentence
[10:15] <artnay> so when will the website translations be implemented? would like to check how those translations work on an actual page
[10:16] <nisshh> lol, thats awesome, i really want to know who put that in
[10:16] <godbyk> artnay: You can see them at http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[10:17] <artnay> godbyk: ok, thanks. how often will that be updated?
[10:17] <jaminday> ok all, i'm gonna go have some dessert with my wife, then watch an episode of boston legal, then come back and keep working till I go to bed!
[10:18] <godbyk> artnay: I'm not sure how often they pull the new translations.
[10:18] <nisshh> ilya: are you going to push the make fix yet?
[10:19] <godbyk> Okay.. who touched chapter 2?
[10:19] <nisshh> i did
[10:19] <nisshh> just a bit
[10:19] <godbyk> Bad nisshh! Bad!
[10:19] <godbyk> :-)
[10:19] <nisshh> hehe
[10:19] <nisshh> shouldnt have done anything bad
[10:19] <godbyk> Now I have to resolve some conflict.
[10:19] <IlyaHaykinson> nisshh: i'm running make to make sure i don't have another break
[10:19] <nisshh> i seriously only changed 1 line
[10:20] <IlyaHaykinson> but this PC is slow, so i'll push as soon as it's done
[10:20] <nisshh> IlyaHaykinson: sure
[10:20] <nisshh> awww no more linux on the ps3
[10:22] <godbyk> nisshh: more like four lines. :)
[10:22] <IlyaHaykinson> i'm removing the (two) mentions of GNU/Linux
[10:22] <IlyaHaykinson> inthe manual.
[10:22] <IlyaHaykinson> making it just Linux
[10:22] <IlyaHaykinson> nisshh: pushed
[10:22] <nisshh> cool
[10:23] <nisshh> godbyk: then it wasnt me! :)
[10:23] <godbyk> gah!
[10:23] <godbyk> and now I have diverged branches.
[10:23] <godbyk> shoot me.
[10:25] <godbyk> finally pushed.
[10:25] <godbyk> sheesh!
[10:25] <nisshh> hehe
[10:27] <godbyk> Who's working on which chapters now?
[10:27] <godbyk> (So I don't stomp on anyone's toes.)
[10:27] <IlyaHaykinson> i am doing light touches in Learning More
[10:27] <IlyaHaykinson> but really i should be doing light touches to my pillow
[10:28] <nisshh> im just going to add new items to the glossary and add descriptions for them
[10:28] <nisshh> the rest ill do tommorrow
[10:29] <godbyk> Okay
[10:29] <godbyk> I'm going to run through and mark up the acronyms, then.
[10:30] <nisshh> godbyk: ok
[10:30] <TommyBrunn> I'm working on the Swedish translation of the website, and I have a question regarding what to translate and what not to.
[10:30] <TommyBrunn> Oh wait, nevermind.
[10:30] <godbyk> TommyBrunn: Figure it out?
[10:31] <TommyBrunn> I was wondering whether to replace &#8217; with the ascii equivalent. But then I realized that I don't even need that symbol in the Swedish translation.
[10:31] <godbyk> TommyBrunn: What is that symbol and where do you see it in the manual?
[10:32] <TommyBrunn> "Getting Started with Ubuntu %version% is a free, comprehensive beginner&#8217;s guide for the Ubuntu operating system."
[10:32] <TommyBrunn> It's on the website
[10:32] <IlyaHaykinson> was anyone planning on getting te command-line chapter off of aptitude and onto apt-get?
[10:32] <IlyaHaykinson> if we even need it there?
[10:32] <godbyk> Oh! That should be "beginner's"
[10:32] <IlyaHaykinson> i feel like _all_ the online instructions are about apt-get, not aptitide, so we should use that
[10:32] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: I'll leave that to someone else. We should be consistent, though.
[10:33] <godbyk> Same here.
[10:33] <TommyBrunn> godbyk: Yeah, that's what I figured. But "Beginner's" is "nybörjarens" in Swedish, so there's no need for the apostrophe.
[10:33] <nisshh> funny thing is, i orginally had it on apt-get so communication went wrong somewhere
[10:33] <IlyaHaykinson> nisshh: yeah, i remember that you had that.
[10:34] <nisshh> yea, there was a discussion about it ages ago
[10:36] <donri> TommyBrunn, Jag skulle säga "nybörjarhandbok" eller "handbok för nybörjare".
[10:37] <TommyBrunn> Jo, jag håller med. "Handbok för nybörjare" tycks vara den etablerade standarden i översättningen än så länge.
[10:37] <TommyBrunn> Jag måste se vad de översatt det till i manualen.
[10:41] <godbyk> any vim macro experts here?
[10:42] <donri> apt-get seem to be the standard and aptitude the exception, teach apt-get and it'll be familiar elsewhere. Teach aptitude and apt-get will look like something new, alien, different.
[10:42] <IlyaHaykinson> donri: agreed.
[10:42] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, i'm off to bed
[10:42]  * IlyaHaykinson waves
[10:43]  * nisshh waves back
[10:54] <humphreybc> I think we're using apt-get everywhere, or should be
[10:54] <godbyk> gah
[10:54] <godbyk> funky merge on installation.tex
[10:56] <nisshh> crap i need to eat, been on my pc for 9 hours now
[10:56] <nisshh> got anouther 2 to go before i finish the glossary off for tonight
[10:57] <nisshh> brb getting food and beer
[10:57] <TommyBrunn> Man, translating is hard work. I just went through the entire website, and still only managed to translate maybe 70 strings out of over 200.
[10:58] <humphreybc> that's what GNOME and Ubuntu recommend
[10:58] <humphreybc> Debian recommends using aptitude
[10:58] <humphreybc> sigh
[10:59] <humphreybc> lol
[11:03] <nisshh> didnt aptitude come from debian in the first place?
[11:03] <donri> Don't they all, eh.
[11:03] <nisshh> donri: hehe\
[11:05] <nisshh> hehe, my 2 weeks of holidays starts this weekend
[11:06] <nisshh> oh, i just remembered
[11:06] <nisshh> humphreybc: ill be on holidays this weekend and in 2 weeks
[11:07] <nisshh> so i cant work on the manual
[11:07] <nisshh> or anything
[11:08] <godbyk> could you guys check your prefs-hardware/sound.tex file and see if there is a  <<<< line toward the top of it?  (line 12)
[11:08] <godbyk> which version should I keep?
[11:09] <nisshh> there is, what the hell is that?
[11:09] <humphreybc> doesn't that mean you can?
[11:09] <humphreybc> normally holidays mean you have more time :P
[11:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: no laptop and no net cafe where im going
[11:11] <godbyk> Okay, I'm going to leave it for now.  someone fix it after I've committed all this crap.
[11:11] <godbyk> gimme a few minutes.
[11:12] <nisshh> godbyk: what the hell is all that crap there for?
[11:12] <godbyk> it's because two versions were merged and someone didn't actually fix the merge.
[11:12] <humphreybc> nisshh: it's a bzr merge thing
[11:12] <humphreybc> godbyk destroyed it
[11:12] <godbyk> bzr just says, 'here, you figure it out!'
[11:12] <nisshh> lol
[11:13] <nisshh> godbyk: we should call you Godbyk The Destroyer!
[11:13] <godbyk> I'll take it! :)
[11:13] <godbyk> I'll add it to my list of titles.
[11:14] <nisshh> lol
[11:14] <nisshh> brb cooking dinner
[11:17] <artnay> will the string %language% be in english or could it be translated?
[11:17] <artnay> We recommend that you download either the English version of <i>Getting Started with Ubuntu %version%</i> or the %language% version of <i>Getting Started with Ubuntu %available_version%</i>
[11:17] <godbyk> artnay: It's a variable that will be filled in by the PHP code.
[11:18] <artnay> godbyk: yes, but so far it's in English, right+
[11:19] <humphreybc> i'm pretty sure my flatmate is getting high
[11:19] <humphreybc> and i'm stuck writing an article :P
[11:20] <TommyBrunn> Sucks to be you then.
[11:20] <godbyk> artnay: It will be the name of the language in that language.
[11:20] <artnay> I can translate "the english version" (englanninkielinen versio) but it will take just the english language name...
[11:20] <artnay> ok, well then it will be like "country version"
[11:20] <godbyk> So if you're looking at the German site, you'd see 'Deutsch' in place of %language%.
[11:21] <artnay> which is a bad translation, since the proper way to say it is "suomenkielinen versio", not Finnish version
[11:21] <godbyk> artnay: What language are you translating to?
[11:21] <godbyk> %language% will be whatever language you're translating to.
[11:21] <artnay> godbyk: yes, but in Finnish that word sould be conjugated
[11:22] <artnay> otherwise it's just a bad grammar in that sentence
[11:22] <artnay> and it's the same in Swedish (afai write/speak Swedish)
[11:23] <artnay> just a minor annoyance
[11:23] <artnay> it's totally understandable, though.
[11:23] <godbyk> artnay: You can translate the phrase however you like.
[11:24] <artnay> godbyk: and it will still pass the parser even if there's not enough variables?
[11:24] <godbyk> I think so. I'm not sure.
[11:24] <godbyk> We'll figure it out, though. :)
[11:25] <artnay> ok, well i'll just drop that variable off and translate it as it should be
[11:25] <godbyk> frakking conflicts.
[11:25] <godbyk> so tired of bzr!
[11:25] <nisshh> hehe
[11:27] <artnay> godbyk: I just want the website to be translated in proper Finnish before or I'll link to it in our (l10n) next meeting
[11:28] <nisshh> godbyk: you should be grateful that bzr doesnt just say ERROR! ERROR! ERROR!
[11:28] <artnay> then the project will hopefully receive more love from finnish translators
[11:28] <godbyk> Cool.
[11:29] <godbyk> Yeah, that's what bzr effectively does sometimes.  Basically throws its hands up and say, 'Okay, *you* figure out how to merge this stuff!"
[11:29] <godbyk> :)
[11:30] <godbyk> Aha!  It was nisshh who didn't merge the sound.tex file properly!
[11:30] <nisshh> yea it conflicted
[11:30] <nisshh> dunno why
[11:30] <nisshh> how did i not merge it properly
[11:31] <artnay> actually we've made quite a comprehensive manual in Finnish - see http://fi.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tutuksi - it covers most of the areas that are included in this project and more
[11:32] <artnay> but maintaining it is a pita. this project would be a better for us so that we shouldn't check the facts, take screenshots etc. - we could focus on writing/translating
[11:32] <godbyk> nisshh: not sure. bzr usually doesn't let you commit until it's been resolved, I thought.
[11:32] <nisshh> yea it didnt
[11:33] <godbyk> artnay: If you guys have stuff we're missing, you should translate it over for us.  Then you can translate it back to Finnish when we're done with it. ;-)
[11:33] <nisshh> i pulled, did a commit, pushed, got an error, resolved, merged, pushed, merged, commited and pushed again
[11:34] <godbyk> whoops.. didn't compile before I committed all those \acronyms.
[11:34] <godbyk> let's see how many times I can misspell \acronym. :-)
[11:34] <nisshh> godbyk: smooth
[11:34] <godbyk> wow!
[11:34] <godbyk> no errors!
[11:34] <godbyk> I am a god!
[11:34] <nisshh> woooo!
[11:40] <jaminday> nisshh: you glossarizing "repositories"?
[11:46] <nisshh> jaminday:yes
[11:47] <jaminday> no worries - i'll ad \gls then
[11:47] <nisshh> jaminday: no need, i do that when i add a glossary entry
[11:48] <nisshh> brb dinner time
[11:48] <jaminday> no prob
[11:49] <nisshh> back lol
[11:49] <jaminday> wow quick dinner
[11:50] <nisshh> lol, eating it and typing
[11:50] <jaminday> ah...
[11:50] <jaminday> so the first reference to 'repositories' in chapter 5 should probably have a \gls, i'll leave it for you though when you get to it
[11:51] <nisshh> jaminday: godbyks new nickname is Godbyk The Destroyer
[11:51] <jaminday> nisshh: hehe - where did that come from?
[11:51] <nisshh> jaminday: sure
[11:52] <nisshh> i gave it to him a little while ago since he keeps breaking the branch and makefile
[11:52] <nisshh> jaminday: i have to go through and add \gls commands all over the place anyway
[11:52] <jaminday> hehe - i nicknamed him the 'Godfather' last night, as he is always the one that cleans everything up!
[11:53] <nisshh> lol thats a good one
[11:53] <nisshh> he did say he has a list
[11:53] <jaminday> hehe
[11:53] <godbyk> I feel like I have to abdicate that title to nisshh. :)
[11:54] <nisshh> and why is that?
[11:54] <godbyk> Well, you were the one who left some weird bzr merge text in the sound.tex file. :)
[11:55] <nisshh> Curse you bzr!
[11:55] <jaminday> hehe nisshh the destroyer works i think ;)
[11:55] <godbyk> I'll also note that I'm the one who cleaned up that mess.  ;-)
[11:56] <nisshh> i reckon its cool
[11:56] <jaminday> lol
[11:56] <jaminday> The Godfather does it again....
[11:56] <nisshh> oh godbyk the janitor is it now?
[11:56] <nisshh> hehe
[11:56] <jaminday> Janitor is a rather large demotion
[11:57] <nisshh> not since he abdicated destroyer to me
[11:59] <godbyk> Okay, my eyes are getting blurry.  I think that's my cue to step away from the computer. :-)
[11:59] <jaminday> yes fair enough
[11:59] <godbyk> Typed \acronym a couple too many times, I think. :)
[11:59] <godbyk> I'm going to read for a bit before I sleep. Feel free to ping me if anything urgent arises.
[11:59] <nisshh> ok
[11:59] <jaminday> no worries - i'll be around for another hour or so then hit the sack also
[12:00] <humphreybc> lol
[12:00] <humphreybc> are you guys actually getting anything done?
[12:00]  * humphreybc as he peers into the chatroom
[12:00]  * dutchie is watching the LHC webcast
[12:00] <godbyk> I \acronym'd everything.
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> the cd build keeps failing
[12:00] <nisshh> yes: its contructive banter
[12:00] <godbyk> And incorporated all of meho_r_'s edits.
[12:00] <godbyk> dutchie: have they formed a black hole yet?
[12:01] <jaminday> humphreybc: still going at chapter 5 (slowly)
[12:01] <nisshh> dutchie whats LHC?
[12:01] <nisshh> Linux Home Cooking?
[12:01] <godbyk> Should I lie on my back in preparation for a flashforward?
[12:01] <godbyk> I'm going with Large Hadron Collider.
[12:01] <humphreybc> Large Hadron Collider!
[12:02] <dutchie> http://webcast.cern.ch/lhcfirstphysics/
[12:02] <dutchie> godbyk: NO BLACK HOLES :P
[12:02] <jaminday> Lingerie Hating Cows?
[12:02]  * godbyk wins!
[12:02] <humphreybc> d'oh!
[12:03] <godbyk> This webcast may be one of the geekiest things I watch.
[12:03] <donri> I'm watching that too. :D
[12:04] <nisshh> dude, nerdy
[12:04] <nisshh> bot geeky
[12:04] <nisshh> not*
[12:04] <humphreybc> flash is so shit on Lucid
[12:04] <TommyBrunn> Flash is so shit on *
[12:04] <nisshh> heheeee not for meeee
[12:05] <nisshh> how about html5 vids?
[12:05] <TommyBrunn> Doesn't work consistently in all browsers/platforms.
[12:05] <nisshh> tommybrun: nope!
[12:05] <TommyBrunn> Chrome and Opera use h.264 and Firefox Ogg Theora.
[12:05] <nisshh> never has, never will
[12:06] <dutchie> the webcast is annoyingly laggy
[12:06]  * humphreybc has work to do
[12:06] <nisshh> does anyone here listen to shotofjaq?
[12:06] <dutchie> the twitter accounts have already announced collisions, and nothing no there
[12:08] <humphreybc> lol
[12:09] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: I do why?
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[12:15] <humphreybc> I might go to bed now
[12:15] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: you'll need the PPA and LiveCD for quickshot to be working and available for download by Thursday :)
[12:16] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I know it should be done tonight we are frezzing quickshot tonight
[12:16] <ubuntujenkins> I am having live cd trouble
[12:17] <humphreybc> wicked :)
[12:17] <humphreybc> okay
[12:17] <ubuntujenkins> nn o/
[12:17] <humphreybc> I'm writing up announcements
[12:18] <ubuntujenkins> the live cd will be avaible on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot
[12:18] <humphreybc> okay
[12:18] <ubuntujenkins> ppa here https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-release
[12:19] <humphreybc> if daker comes in, get him to add that stuff to the website
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> I will do
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> there is no stuff on that wiki page but it will be by tonight
[12:23] <humphreybc> okay
[12:23] <godbyk> stable beams now, dutchie.
[12:26] <dutchie> they've collided already
[12:26] <dutchie> http://twitter.com/CERN/status/11303121425 etc etc
[12:29] <godbyk> dutchie: right, but they've stabilized the beams now and collided again at a higher energy.
[12:31] <humphreybc> kk, night everyone
[12:32] <godbyk> I'm heading to bed, too.  G'night!
[12:32] <dutchie> night
[12:32] <godbyk> dutchie: If the universe is going to collapse into a micro-blackhole, ping me so I've got a heads-up. ;-)
[12:32] <dutchie> :P
[12:32] <ubuntujenkins> night godbyk
[14:58]  * semioticrobotic is home sick from work today
[15:44] <meho_r> Never gave it a thought before, but which is default shell for 10.04, bash or dash?
[16:19] <dutchie> meho_r: $ /bin/sh
[16:19] <dutchie> $ echo $SHELL
[16:19] <dutchie> /bin/bash
[16:19] <dutchie> $ ls -l /bin/sh
[16:19] <dutchie> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2010-03-05 23:26 /bin/sh -> dash
[16:20] <dutchie> going for the confusion factor there ;)
[16:20] <meho_r> So, what is conclusion for the ubuntu-manual: bash or dash?
[16:20] <meho_r> I AM confused :D
[16:21] <dutchie> dash
[16:21] <dutchie> I think the $SHELL got inherited from my bash session
[16:23] <meho_r> OK, I'm gonna mark bash for checking out and leave you guys to discuss it :_)
[16:23] <dutchie> go for dash
[16:23] <dutchie> ^^ official dutchie opinion
[16:24] <meho_r> :-)
[16:25] <donri> http://file.status.net/identica/sandersch-20100330T113810-drklyru.jpeg
[16:25] <donri> LHC runs on Ubuntu... kinda.
[16:26] <dutchie> love the way there is a rhythmbox playing icon there
[16:34] <Red_HamsterX> How did I miss a discussion about moving to dash?
[16:34] <dutchie> Ubuntu's been using dash for years
[16:35] <Red_HamsterX> I've somehow managed to never notice, then.
[16:36] <donri> dash isn't the default though, is it?
[16:37] <donri> Just is the symlink for /bin/sh for scripts.
[16:40] <Red_HamsterX> That would make a lot more sense.
[16:49] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: in the dictionary file do options have to be on the next line
[16:49] <ubuntujenkins> also any idea why firefox about:home doesn't work?
[17:00] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't?
[17:00] <Red_HamsterX> Also, yes, every token needs to be separated by a line.
[17:01] <Red_HamsterX> ls
[17:01] <Red_HamsterX> -lh
[17:01] <Red_HamsterX> *
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> I tried the firefox one on the live disk and it didn't work
[17:02] <Red_HamsterX> Odd... It works fine here...
[17:02] <Red_HamsterX> I'll start testing in about an hour.
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will double check it
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> I am just going to make some dictionary chnages
[17:04] <ubuntujenkins> also why for dome windows and not others does it say Resize the window so it fills the screen, if necessary. Be sure it is NOT maximized
[17:06] <Red_HamsterX> Because of the references you provided.
[17:06] <Red_HamsterX> I'll explain in a moment.
[17:06] <ubuntujenkins> ok
[17:09] <Red_HamsterX> We can't actually maximize them because it creates ugly inconsistencies in the manual.
[17:09] <Red_HamsterX> Most windows have a white body area.
[17:09] <Red_HamsterX> When maximized, the borders disappear.
[17:10] <Red_HamsterX> Whien screencapped, it looks like their content is floating.
[17:10] <Red_HamsterX> screencapped and PDFed*
[17:10] <Red_HamsterX> I wrote some new code that tries to set their dimensions equal to the working space in a default Lucid setup.
[17:11] <ubuntujenkins> ok makes sense
[17:11] <Red_HamsterX> I'm not sure if I could word that line in a better way.
[17:11] <Red_HamsterX> I tried to use simple words, since it is important, but...
[17:12] <ubuntujenkins> I read it and though why not maximise it then?
[17:12] <Red_HamsterX> In any case, the reason why it doesn't apply to everything is because a lot of windows, based on your reference material, are not maximized by default, and gain no benefit to visibility through maximization. (Their contents are perfectly viewable at their default sizes)
[17:13] <Red_HamsterX> Maximizing removes borders.
[17:13] <Red_HamsterX> Borders are important.
[17:13] <Red_HamsterX> They maintain consistency in the manual.
[17:14] <ubuntujenkins> ok thats fine i thought i maximized everything possible, I have updating the ppa, I have to have my tea, will be on afterwards
[17:14] <Red_HamsterX> I'll update the server.
[17:14] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[17:14] <dutchie> 6
[17:15] <dutchie> bah
[18:22] <ubuntujenkins> evening manual team
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[18:52] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[18:52] <Red_HamsterX> Still busy with other stuff. :(
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> ok no problem
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> evening titeuf_87
[19:03] <titeuf_87> heyas
[19:04] <titeuf_87> How're things?
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> if you have a new version of quickly then it it now quickly design not quickly glade
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> I spent all day finding a build error in the cd, I am now tweaking the ui here and there
[19:06] <titeuf_87> The cd works now?
[19:06] <ubuntujenkins> There are a few errors with programs launching, nautilus ~ doesn't work for some reason. The cd does work just got to squeeze the release of quickshot on it
[19:07] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme know when there's a functional CD build so we can try screencapping the installation process.
[19:07] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to step through everything else under English now.
[19:07] <Red_HamsterX> Did Firefox start working properly?
[19:07] <ubuntujenkins> I can't understand why firefox didn't work in a virtual machine but it worked on my real machine
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> o.0
[19:08] <titeuf_87> That's really weird.
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> Very weird...
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> What's the next most important language after English?
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> (Or the one most likely to cause problems)
[19:09] <dutchie> British English
[19:10] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87, do we differentiate between American English and British English for screencaps?
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> Galician,	German
[19:10] <titeuf_87> I thought we said not to.
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> are the top two most translated
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> I think we said not to
[19:10] <Red_HamsterX> I thought so, too.
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> all on the same page
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> the ppa is uptodate as per rev 176
[19:11] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/176 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 176
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> I'll do some testing with German, Russian, and Arabic after confirming that everything seems to work for English.
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> (I'd do French, but titeuf can handle that at least as well as I can)
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> launching, nautilus ~ doesn't work for some reason
[19:12] <Red_HamsterX> Under a VM or everywhere?
[19:12] <Red_HamsterX> I'll try it now.
[19:12] <titeuf_87> I can do French, Dutch, South-African and whatever other language closely resembles those.
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> everywhere Red_HamsterX
[19:12] <Red_HamsterX> This is just testing, not final capping.
[19:13] <titeuf_87> I can try out on my laptop instead of just in a vm, so we can try it out under "more real" hardware.
[19:13] <Red_HamsterX> In production, I can probably handle Japanese if we're having trouble getting volunteers.
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> We also have a permission issue with the install screenshots, there are two ways around it, allow the user to take screenshots in either the ubuntu user or quickshot user. Or when setting up quickshot in the ubuntu user add it to the sudo list
[19:15] <titeuf_87> Ah need to be root to run the installer?
[19:15] <titeuf_87> Well that makes sense.
[19:15] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[19:16] <Red_HamsterX> I'd probably take the sudo path.
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> same
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> looking at it now
[19:16] <Red_HamsterX> It'd save the trouble of getting users to log out.
[19:16] <Red_HamsterX> And it might allow for more flexibility in the future.
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> for security we will only add it to sudo if on the live cd
[19:19] <Red_HamsterX> 1.0.0 will have all of this stuff bundled in a special config file or something anyway.
[19:21] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, I see the problem with nautilus ~.
[19:21] <ubuntujenkins> what ?
[19:21] <titeuf_87> What is it?
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> I just need to do one thing to test this idea...
[19:24] <titeuf_87> Heh, I can't use quickly anymore with quickshot.
[19:24] <titeuf_87> ERROR: Template ubuntu-application does not exist.
[19:25] <ubuntujenkins> I told you already titeuf_87 do quickly design
[19:25] <titeuf_87> Yeah I know, except that I need a newer version of quickly for that.
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> O sorry I thought you had the newer version
[19:26] <Red_HamsterX> Yep. It's assuming '~' is actually a filename, since it isn't being expanded by the shell.
[19:26] <titeuf_87> no worries ubuntujenkins, can still manually open everything after all
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> I could pass every parameter through os.path.expanduser...
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> That shouldn't cause any problems.
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> I have just fixed another error with the user terminal
[19:33] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, no! Branches diversed somehow!
[19:33] <Red_HamsterX> diverged*
[19:33] <Red_HamsterX> Want me to send you a patch to fix the ~ thing or should I try merging?
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> do bzr uncommit
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> then do a pull
[19:34] <Red_HamsterX> I wasn't aware of uncommit.
[19:34] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks.
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> once you have pushed i will commit next
[19:35] <Red_HamsterX> Pushed. Waiting for it to be accpeted.
[19:35] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, go.
[19:38] <Red_HamsterX> nautilus is working now, but it wasn't auto-maximized, unfortunately. I'm going to add the Firefox workaround.
[19:38] <Red_HamsterX> (It probably forks)
[19:38] <titeuf_87> That's probably like gedit then: it doesn't maximize when you launched gedit before quickshot.
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> rev 179 pushed guys
[19:38] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/179 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 179
[19:40] <Red_HamsterX> Becuase the new gedit process just communicates with the old one.
[19:40] <Red_HamsterX> And Nautilus is providing Gnome's desktop icons and stuff.
[19:40] <jbicha> I downloaded the source code w/ git but what program should I use to actually edit the thing?
[19:40] <titeuf_87> Don't think we could do anything around that?
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: what did you download quickshot or the manual?
[19:40] <jbicha> the manual
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> My workaround is the "=maximize-workaround=" key, which takes a process name.
[19:41] <jbicha> I've never worked w/ latex before
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> Everything returned by 'pidof' is passed through the maximize function.
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> It's a hack, but it seems to work.
[19:41] <titeuf_87> For nautilus too?
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> Except for Nautilus... For some reason, it seems to be blocking forever when I make the call.
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> Or something.
[19:42] <Red_HamsterX> I'm looking into it now.
[19:42] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors is what you need but be aware we are not adding content. You can edit with gedit are you one of the offical editors? As i think they have a procces
[19:42] <jbicha> & I used bzr branch to get the code but how I do update to the most recent reversion
[19:42] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: bzr pull
[19:43] <jbicha> no, I'm not official, I just wanted to proofread & maybe fill in a missing gap and thought it would be more useful than trying to report bugs for minor stuff
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: it would be best to file bugs as not to cause conflicts, only one editor is allowed to work on a section at a time
[19:44] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, I see why it's failing.
[19:44] <jbicha> oh, that sounds complicated
[19:44] <Red_HamsterX> It's because I'm made of durr and fail.
[19:44] <Red_HamsterX> I'm splitting on newlines, not spaces.
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: your help is very much apreciated, filing bugs is the safest way to help edit
[19:45] <Red_HamsterX> Commiting change.
[19:45] <jbicha> ubuntujenkins: thanks, gedit works fine
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: do you have the right bug page?
[19:46] <Red_HamsterX> Committed q180.
[19:46] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual ?
[19:46] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: nope there is a differnent one just finding it
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: http://ubuntu-manual.org/?bugs
[19:47] <jbicha> the google docs form?
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> whats left to do with quickshot?
[19:48] <Red_HamsterX> Just testing, I think.
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> shall i update the ppa?
[19:48] <Red_HamsterX> And making sure it works with godbyk's server.
[19:48] <titeuf_87> for the live cd, shouldn't we change the default server?
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> GODBYK !!!
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> when was it different?
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> We should change the default server in the PPA when we're sure everything's working, too.
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> When was what different?
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> do we know the link for the server?
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> We know it now.
[19:49] <Red_HamsterX> It just hasn't been tested.
[19:50] <ubuntujenkins> can you make the change then i will build the package
[19:50] <Red_HamsterX> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[19:50] <ubuntujenkins> where is it changed?
[19:50] <Red_HamsterX> We should leave the package pointing at my system for now, since we still need to do tests with other languages.
[19:50] <ubuntujenkins> ok i will update the ppa all work updated guys?
[19:51] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme test the Nautilus thing again.
[19:51] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, that fixed the bug.
[19:51] <Red_HamsterX> I don't know of anything I have left to change at the moment.
[19:52] <titeuf_87> Except for testing and fixing all the bugs, I think we got everything for this release.
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> ok starting the ppa update
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: hello
[19:54] <humphreybc> morning :)
[19:55] <dutchie> evening
[19:55] <humphreybc> what's up?
[19:55] <dutchie> I'm javascripting http://www.joshh.co.uk/ up
[19:55] <ubuntujenkins> well can you all test quickshot in about 10 minutes please
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> right just waiting for quickshot to be buit by launchpad
[19:59] <humphreybc> fingers crossed huh
[20:07] <humphreybc> godbyk: when we hit beta, i'll get you to put up http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-beta.pdf
[20:08]  * ubuntujenkins still building...
[20:12]  * ubuntujenkins built just waiting for it to be published
[20:15] <Red_HamsterX> Are we giving users a fake account for Evolution?
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> ok its not published in the ppa yet not sure how long it takes but this is a launchpad link to the package https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-daily/+build/1592814/+files/quickshot_0.0.8-quickshot+201003301854+180_all.deb
[20:17] <ubuntujenkins> I can do a backup file for every one to use, or just tell them to type quickshot@ubuntu-manual.org
[20:17] <Red_HamsterX> I'm asking because I can't think of a way to get the password prompt to work...
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> it works if you have a fake account,
[20:18] <Red_HamsterX> I was trying a fake server.
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> QUICKSHOT is IN the ppa
[20:19] <Red_HamsterX> Does ubuntu-manual.org have an IMAP service?
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> it works if you do a real server, yep
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> imap.gmail.com smtp.gmail.com
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> use ssl
[20:19] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, and just give it the display name of quickshot@...
[20:20] <Red_HamsterX> I don't want to write another guide on how to set up e-mail. I'm not trying to explain how to use SSL in one line. =P
[20:20] <humphreybc> :)
[20:20] <humphreybc> Quickshot guys, are we all ready for people to start downloading it and using it by Thursday?
[20:20] <ubuntujenkins> I will do a back up file if you like copy it to the users home and tell them to use it
[20:20] <humphreybc> Are there instructions on how to use it somewhere on our wiki?
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> i am yet to type it, had cd issues which took priority
[20:21] <humphreybc> fair enough
[20:21] <humphreybc> you've got another 28 hours or so
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> I will be done
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> I could do with a button from daker
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> if we come across no problems quickshot program might be done tonight, PLEASE test it EVERYONR
[20:23] <ubuntujenkins> anyone know how to get the short command for adding a ppa?
[20:24] <titeuf_87> I'm going to try from Karmic, as I don't have Lucid, so I'll skip the Lucid-specific screenshots.
[20:24] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[20:27] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: sure
[20:27] <humphreybc> i'd like to test the Live CD
[20:28] <titeuf_87> Me too for the Live CD, that would be perfect.
[20:28] <titeuf_87> Especially as when running quickshot now it complains that I'm not on Lucid and I can't use it.
[20:28] <humphreybc> ha!
[20:29] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, it should be usable on a normal lucid live cd too right?
[20:30] <luke-quickshot> I have a bug!
[20:30] <Red_HamsterX> For Empathy, do we really want to the user to click "I want a new account" instead of "I'll enter my account details now"?
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> Er...
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> NEver mind.
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> Looking at the reference, it'd obvious the name's just off.
[20:32] <luke-quickshot> we need to stop nm-applet before you log into the quickshot user and then start it when the quickshot user logs in
[20:32] <humphreybc> luke-quickshot: howcome?
[20:33] <luke-quickshot> humphreybc, you can only have one instance of nm-applet running
[20:33] <humphreybc> ah
[20:33] <Red_HamsterX> I'm not seeing why a second would need to be started.
[20:34] <luke-quickshot> you can't get network screenshots in the quickshot user with out stopping the first instance
[20:35] <Red_HamsterX> LiveCD-specific issue?
[20:35] <luke-quickshot> no issue on ubuntu in general
[20:36] <luke-quickshot> tomboy launches wrong
[20:37] <luke-quickshot> yet to test the live cd
[20:37] <luke-quickshot> gwibber the program is broken again
[20:37] <Red_HamsterX> What's wrong about how tomboy launches?
[20:38] <humphreybc> this is fun, bugs pouring in just before final release :P
[20:38] <Red_HamsterX> And how can we fix it?
[20:38] <humphreybc> don't forget to update the "About" dialog box, change the developers to you guys and the version number. Tommy and I don't really deserve any credit for this xD
[20:38] <luke-quickshot> the bluetooth instructions are wrong, the compare screen has no icon
[20:39] <luke-quickshot> Red_HamsterX, look at the dictionay i put a fix in but must have done it wrong
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> It seems to be launching fine here.
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> I just need to update the steps.
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> (Which I'm doing as I capture each screenshot)
[20:40] <luke-quickshot> is it the same as tomboy --search at the command line does?
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> Yes.
[20:41] <luke-quickshot> doesn't here strange
[20:41] <titeuf_87> Just finished downloading Lucid now, going to burn it and try quickshot from the livecd then instead.
[20:41] <luke-quickshot> cool I can't send you the cd until it is on godbyks server
[20:42] <luke-quickshot> brasero is not launching
[20:45] <luke-quickshot> there is no sample for display settings comfimation
[20:47] <luke-quickshot> the tempoary capture file isn't deleted if you close the preview window
[20:48] <luke-quickshot> yelp takes FOR EVER :-P
[20:48] <humphreybc> haha it sure does
[20:49]  * humphreybc is going to bugtest the hell out of quickshot later today
[20:53] <Red_HamsterX> brasero's working fine here.
[20:54] <luke-quickshot> not here just tried again
[20:55] <Red_HamsterX> Have you tried 'brasero --empty' in a shell?
[20:55] <luke-quickshot> we need a minimize button and border on the capture window
[20:55] <humphreybc> okay i'm off
[20:55] <Red_HamsterX> That'd be helpful.
[20:55] <humphreybc> i'll talk later
[20:56] <Red_HamsterX> I'll look into that once I finish screencapping what I can.
[20:56] <luke-quickshot> an update has removed brasero ... very strange
[20:56] <Red_HamsterX> I'll probably have to do the real capping on my mini with the LiveCD, though. I lack WiFi and Bluetooth on any devices I can spare.
[20:57] <luke-quickshot> The blue took needs to be changed to left click
[20:57] <luke-quickshot> thats my fault
[20:57] <Red_HamsterX> Blue took?
[20:57] <Red_HamsterX> Oh.
[20:57] <Red_HamsterX> Fixed.
[20:58] <Red_HamsterX> Not fixed in the .texes, though.
[20:58] <luke-quickshot> I will fix it in the manual
[20:58] <luke-quickshot> can you make the bluetooth bottom border lower please
[20:58] <luke-quickshot> of the cropping
[21:00] <Red_HamsterX> Sure.
[21:00] <Red_HamsterX> How much lower?
[21:01] <luke-quickshot> erm let me work it out
[21:02] <luke-quickshot> 20 pixels should do it
[21:02] <Red_HamsterX> Ah. I see the problem with the properties reference.
[21:02] <Red_HamsterX> You wrote 'comfirm'.
[21:02] <Red_HamsterX> Can you change that in the manual, too?
[21:03] <luke-quickshot> which bit? I can change it
[21:03] <Red_HamsterX> 08-display-properties-confirm
[21:03] <Red_HamsterX> You have 'comfirm'
[21:03] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't really matter either way, though.
[21:03] <Red_HamsterX> There are enough other minor inconsistencies that nobody will care.
[21:03] <luke-quickshot> I will change it in the manual
[21:04] <Red_HamsterX> (We can apply better standards next time. It's not like these filenames show up in the PDFs anyway)
[21:07] <Red_HamsterX> Successfully captured 34 screenshots using defaults.
[21:08] <Red_HamsterX> Three screenshots are uncapturable due to a lack of hardware, eight are limited by lack of CD, and one is impossible because I fail at Gmail.
[21:08] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: yes it should work not sure if it has pybebel, i was in the other user
[21:08] <Red_HamsterX> Overall, I'd say we're looking at success.
[21:09] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/
[21:09] <titeuf_87> Laptop just finished booting with it, we'll find out soon enough.
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> right i am going to fix spelling bugs
[21:12] <Red_HamsterX> I'll look at decorating the capture window, unless someone else already knows what needs to be done.
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> I can do it Red_HamsterX
[21:14] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, how do you install the quickshot ppa again?
[21:15] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-daily is the ppa just add it to software suorces
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> right fixed the spelling bugs in the manual
[21:21] <jbicha> ok, I'm done reporting bugs for tonight, the manual looks really good for first release :-)
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> thanks jbicha
[21:24] <daker> hi @all
[21:24] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[21:24] <daker> Red_HamsterX, you are working with ubuntujenkins on Quickshot ?
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[21:25] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, we're doing testing now.
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> can I have a download button please daker
[21:25] <titeuf_87> When making the quickshot user, we should try to add it to the list of users that are allowed to sudo right then?
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> it should do it already
[21:25] <daker> ubuntujenkins, sure
[21:25] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[21:25] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah. Probably just an >> into the sudoers file.
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> no i set it to do it already
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> success = os.system("gksudo \"useradd --shell /bin/bash -m -p " + passwd + " quickshot\" && gksudo \"adduser quickshot admin\"")
[21:26] <titeuf_87> ah and that was in the latest ppa already too?
[21:26] <Red_HamsterX> Or you could add it that way.
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> I am sure it was
[21:26] <titeuf_87> ah in that case it doesn't work from the livecd
[21:27] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i gave a suggest concerning Screenshots scale
[21:27] <daker> suggestion*
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: spotted the problem
[21:27] <Red_HamsterX> Wouldn't scaling be godbyk's area?
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> yep it is
[21:28] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, what is it?
[21:28] <jbicha> what in the world is http://ubuntu.securedservers.com ? it's mentioned in the manual
[21:28] <Red_HamsterX> Looks like a repository.
[21:28] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: the user utilities file had the wrong option on it should have read it os.environ["USER"] == "ubuntu":
[21:29] <Red_HamsterX> A package repository, I mean.
[21:30] <jbicha> I think it would be better if a different one were picked, someone may think that is more secure than the other repos
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> jbicha: file a bug :-)
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> Quickshot guys: I can't get the decoration to work it is already set to be decorated
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> on the capture window
[21:31] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i have a suggestion concerning Screenshots scale !!!!
[21:31] <titeuf_87> try to find something like popup window in the properties of the window
[21:31] <titeuf_87> and change it to normal
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> daker: go a head but that is mostly godyks job
[21:32] <Red_HamsterX> What's the window's name?
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87's suggestion fixed it
[21:33] <Red_HamsterX> 'Kay.
[21:33] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects$ bzr branch lp:quickshot
[21:33] <daker> bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 503 Service Unavailable
[21:33] <titeuf_87> if you click on next on the partition setup screen, does it actually set up the partitions already too?
[21:34] <Red_HamsterX> Who's uploading 'nl' screencaps?
[21:34] <titeuf_87> I am
[21:34] <Red_HamsterX> Ah.
[21:34] <Red_HamsterX> If you click next while telling Ubuntu to use the whole disk, it should automatically configure everything.
[21:35] <Red_HamsterX> Of course, whatever you had on the system will be lost.
[21:35] <Red_HamsterX> I'm assuiming you're VirtualBoxing it or something.
[21:35] <titeuf_87> Nope, from my laptop, which I use at work so I'm going to stop the installation screenshots now.
[21:36] <titeuf_87> Which is a shame cause lucid looks really sexy on it :(
[21:36] <daker> ubuntujenkins, I suggest that we put the scale in the server side, and we don't have to scale screenshots with Latex (PHP can handle it)
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: if i set the window to deletable no that should remove the close button right?
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> daker: if that works then, i don't mind it would need to be kevins call on it, laytex appears to do a good job
[21:37] <titeuf_87> I would guess so, but better double check.
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> well it doesn't :-)
[21:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i made up a script with php , the result is very good than the latex scale's
[21:39] <Red_HamsterX> I'd be more inclined to trust LaTeX to rescale things than PHP.
[21:39] <titeuf_87> Red_HamsterX, any reason why the windows can't be maximized?
[21:39] <Red_HamsterX> Missing borders. :(
[21:39] <Red_HamsterX> Consider Firefox on the Google homepage.
[21:39] <titeuf_87> Ah ok.
[21:39] <Red_HamsterX> The body would just be floating on the PDFs.
[21:40] <humphreybc> hey, python people, quick question. If I have a string "banana" what's the easiest way to reverse it?
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> ananab
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> print reversed("banana")
[21:40] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: :)
[21:40] <humphreybc> thanks
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> Er...
[21:40] <daker> humphreybc, hi
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> Wait. That only almost works.
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> It returns an iterator.
[21:40] <humphreybc> I knew there would be an easy way to do it... I think my lab is meant to do it using for loops and indexes and stuff
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> ''.join(reversed('cheese'))
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> daker: argue it out with kevin and ben
[21:41] <daker> oki
[21:41] <titeuf_87> >>> "banana"[::-1]
[21:41] <titeuf_87> 'ananab'
[21:41] <humphreybc> so, print join(reversed(s)) ?
[21:41] <humphreybc> (where s is my string)
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> ''.join*
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> '' is the glue token.
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> But titeuf's solution is really nice.
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> I didn't know slicing could work like that.
[21:42] <humphreybc> so I just have print s[::-1] ?
[21:42] <titeuf_87> Neither did I! But google did.
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[21:43] <humphreybc> let's see if it passes my doctests
[21:43] <Red_HamsterX> Good luck explaining it, though.
[21:43] <Red_HamsterX> I have no idea what that syntax means.
[21:43] <Red_HamsterX> Last one being a step value?
[21:43] <titeuf_87> Oh, for people better at English than me: dialogues is UK English and dialogs US one?
[21:43] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, it's step.
[21:43] <Red_HamsterX> Correct.
[21:43] <daker> ubuntujenkins, ben ?
[21:43] <humphreybc> hi daker
[21:44] <daker> :)
[21:44] <humphreybc> heh, my test failed, but only because it didn't return a string
[21:44] <titeuf_87> We'll have one screenshot that is different then between uk and us English.
[21:44] <humphreybc> so Expected 'nohtyP' got nohtyP
[21:44] <humphreybc> can I make it into a string?
[21:44] <Red_HamsterX> Pastebin your code.
[21:45] <humphreybc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/406709/
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> It should be generating a string on Python 2.6+.
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> Oh.
[21:45] <humphreybc> i'm using python 2.6, just the python package on ubuntu, not python3
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> That's easy.
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> s/print/return/
[21:46] <humphreybc> oh
[21:46] <humphreybc> of course
[21:46] <humphreybc> :)
[21:46]  * humphreybc is new to python
[21:46] <Red_HamsterX> At least you didn't try "reverse = s[::-1]".
[21:46] <humphreybc> lol
[21:46] <Red_HamsterX> I'd have to smack you if you did.
[21:47] <godbyk> Awake again.
[21:47] <humphreybc> well, the line turns pink when I do that... so i know it's a string and not going to work :P
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> Without quotes.
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> Assigning to name is the Visual Basic way of handling returns.
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> ok I am pushing changes i can't remove the close icon form the window though
[21:49] <titeuf_87> Thank gods vb.net is saner now.
[21:49] <Red_HamsterX> What's its name?
[21:49] <Red_HamsterX> I'll take a look here.
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> capture q183 is the latest revison
[21:51] <Red_HamsterX> I meant the window's name.
[21:51] <humphreybc> easiest way to remove a letter from a string?
[21:51] <titeuf_87> The reference screenshot for the ppa in firefox doesn't show any window borders
[21:51] <Red_HamsterX> .replace()
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> capture is the window name
[21:51] <humphreybc> replace with a "" ?
[21:51] <Red_HamsterX> I'll replace it with my screenshot, titeuf_87.
[21:52] <Red_HamsterX> "happy".replace('p
[21:52] <Red_HamsterX> "happy".replace('p', '') -> 'hay'
[21:52] <titeuf_87> I won't have the time to try out every other screenshot too as I need to go in a little bit.
[21:52] <titeuf_87> Anything that's still untested or mostly untested?
[21:52] <Red_HamsterX> The others match well enough that there should be no confusion.
[21:52] <titeuf_87> Except for the networkmanager applet and the sudo thing I didn't have any problems.
[21:53] <Red_HamsterX> I've tested everything I could under en. It's fine as far as I can tell.
[21:54] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: It's working, but instead of just removing the letter it's removing the entire string. ie, remove 'i' from Mississippi ... Expecting 'Mssssp' got nothing
[21:54] <Red_HamsterX> You need to return the result.
[21:54] <Red_HamsterX> return x.replace(y, z)
[21:54] <humphreybc> lol
[21:54] <Red_HamsterX> It doesn't modify x. It creates a new string based on x.
[21:54] <humphreybc> bloody return
[21:55] <humphreybc> yay :)
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot: do we know why there is no sample for display settings comfimation
[21:56] <Red_HamsterX> Because you don't spell it right.
[21:56] <Red_HamsterX> I fixed that problem.
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> o yea
[21:56] <Red_HamsterX> And then you fixed the manual/
[21:56] <Red_HamsterX> =P
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> cool, i have fixed the sudo thing
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> we need to sort the nm thing
[21:57] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh. New Glade is nice.
[21:57] <Red_HamsterX> So much better than the one that used to crash every time I clicked anything.
[21:57] <titeuf_87> I'm going to play more with quickshot tomorrow if I don't get home too late.
[21:57] <titeuf_87> Good luck everyone, I'm going to bed.
[21:57] <Red_HamsterX> Thank you very much for your help, titeuf_87. :)
[21:58] <titeuf_87> Wished I could help more! But silly Internet outage yesterday kind of ruined my planning.
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> thanks titeuf_87 have a fun confrence
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> from #glade3  i.e. gtk_window_set_deletable() not guaranteed to work everywhere
[21:58] <titeuf_87> Oh it'll be, hearing all day long how great .NET is and how innovating MS is.
[21:59] <Red_HamsterX> But it's so true!
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> from #glade3 sure its not a WM problem ?
[21:59] <Red_HamsterX> Windows 7's features are nothing like those found in OS X!
[21:59] <titeuf_87> At least it has free food. Anyways, bye!
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> o/
[21:59] <Red_HamsterX> Enjoy the food.
[22:01] <Red_HamsterX> I don't see a close button on the screenshot prompt.
[22:01] <Red_HamsterX> (Running from bzr)
[22:01] <Red_HamsterX> But it isn't always-on-top anymore.
[22:03]  * humphreybc was just showing lab demonstrator quickshot
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I looking at a possible fix for the close button thing
[22:04] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, it's... fine here...
[22:04] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: so is the daily build working in the PPA?
[22:04] <Red_HamsterX> We could probably just make its Destroy() a no-op or something.
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: it is aparently window manager dependant
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: yes a few bugs but nothing you should knotice on a quick go
[22:05] <humphreybc> neat
[22:05] <humphreybc> I just tried it then but there are no screenshots to test on
[22:06] <Red_HamsterX> You can redo any existing screencaps, if you want.
[22:06] <Red_HamsterX> Unless you mean the list is blank.
[22:06] <humphreybc> there aren't any in the list
[22:06] <Red_HamsterX> Did you give it a few seconds?
[22:07] <humphreybc> only a few... does it work behind a proxy?
[22:07] <Red_HamsterX> I've got a fix for the not-always-on-top thing, ubuntujenkins. I'll add it in a moment.
[22:07] <Red_HamsterX> It should.
[22:07] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[22:07] <Red_HamsterX> It's just an HTTP GET for thje client.
[22:07] <humphreybc> oh perhaps the proxy wasn't set up for the new user
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/get_status.php?language=en
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> If you can load that, Quickshot should work fine.
[22:08] <humphreybc> ok
[22:08] <humphreybc> are you going to move stuff over to godbyk's server at some point or keep it on your own?
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> It's already on his server.
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> We just haven't tested against it.
[22:09] <humphreybc> cool
[22:09] <Red_HamsterX> Since I need to delete stuff randomly for testing.
[22:09] <humphreybc> kk
[22:11] <Red_HamsterX> Pushing quickshot-185 with always-on-top fix.
[22:11] <humphreybc> daker: is this for the website or for quickshot?
[22:11] <daker> quickshot
[22:11] <humphreybc> what do you mean screenshot scale?
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> help me i am being told to do invoking the function gtk_window_set_deletable() on the window ?
 using whatever language that you happen to be using ?
[22:12] <Red_HamsterX> I can do that, ubuntujenkins. It's trivial.
[22:12] <humphreybc> daker, talk to Red_HamsterX and ubuntujenkins
[22:12] <humphreybc> I'm going to do some more quickshot testing, see if it works behind a proxy. back in a bit.
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> Pushing that now, ubuntujenkins.
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: can you do that for the window please
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> I'll test it in a moment.
[22:13] <daker> i told him ( ubuntujenkins )
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> daker, I still don't think it's a good idea to resize the PNGs outside of LaTeX.
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> It limits the maximum quality of the on-screen versions.
[22:14] <Red_HamsterX> If anything, using imagemagick's 'convert' utility in a pre-processing script for the print version would probably be the right thing to focus on.
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> I have the nm thing sorted
[22:15] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i think the result with latex is less good
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> I can't test it though as it disconects the internet
[22:16] <Red_HamsterX> daker, I'm inclined to believe that's because the PDF viewer is resizing the image using a fast algorithm.
[22:16] <daker> may be
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, the deletable fix isn't causing any problems on my end. But I haven't been experiencing the problem you've described.
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> You'll need to test it.
[22:17] <godbyk> daker: do the screenshots in the manual look better if you use xpdf instead of evince?
[22:17] <humphreybc> daker: if you're using evince and images look shit, it's because evince has a bug in rendering the images
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> So how can I help with the nm-applet thing?
[22:17] <humphreybc> who's familiar with git here btw?
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> I've used it for some projects before.
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> What do you need to know, humphreybc?
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> can you push the deltable thing Red_HamsterX
[22:18] <humphreybc> okay, I need someone to get the unstable upstream of evince to see if bug 248355 is fixed
[22:18] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248355
[22:18] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, already done. q185.
[22:18] <humphreybc> we need to confirm that's the bug we're experiencing and if it's fixed in upstream... if it is I may be able to convince the ubuntu-desktop guys to put it in Lucid
[22:18] <godbyk> Sweet! meho_r gave me some edits for ch6 and 7.
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> i am on wifi and i have to go down to get a connection waking everyone up but killall nm-applet kills it and nm-applet starts it
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ^
[22:19]  * daker will use Adobe Reader to open the manual
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, how can I test this?
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> put it in the code and check it works?
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> Where?
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> You could just add and push it.
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> Only you and I are using the dev branch right now.
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> ok I will do in a second
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> And I'll fix the PPA reference screenshot.
[22:22]  * Red_HamsterX is very happy version control exists.
[22:22] <Red_HamsterX> I just deleted the wrong directory.
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> Reference screencaps pushed.
[22:25]  * ubuntujenkins pulls
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> pushed q187
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> the button thing isn't fixed, it must be a window manger problem
[22:28] <Red_HamsterX> :(
[22:30] <Red_HamsterX> Well, it works as expected under Metacity...
[22:30] <Red_HamsterX> Testing your nm-applet stuff now...
[22:30] <humphreybc> dutchie: you around?
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> When will I see things happen?
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> Or is it supposed to be near-instantaneous?
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> when the quickshot user is et up nm-applet will be closed, when you open up the quickshot user mn-applet will open
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> I have assigned the close button to the same thing as the back button on the capture window
[22:32]  * humphreybc is going to head home now, be back on in about 25 minutes
[22:32] <Red_HamsterX> So nuke Quickshot and start fresh?
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[22:32] <Red_HamsterX> That's a good workaround.
[22:32] <Red_HamsterX> Want me to remove the line that removes the button?
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> yes please
[22:34] <Red_HamsterX> Done.
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[22:34] <Red_HamsterX> Removing Quickshot user now.
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> you may lose internet tempoaryly btw
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> I seem to have glitched Lucid...
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> Restarting.
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> That's fine.
[22:35] <Red_HamsterX> I have many computers.
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot push made
[22:37] <daker> the result with xpdf seems to be the same as evince
[22:39] <godbyk> daker: really? can you email a side-by-side screenshot of it to me at kevin@ubuntu-manual.org please?
[22:39] <godbyk> I'm trying to track down the cause of the problem.
[22:40] <godbyk> daker: did it look better or the same in acrobat reader?
[22:40] <daker> looks a little better in xpdf than evince
[22:44] <daker> godbyk, check you email : kevin@ubuntu-manual.org
[22:44] <daker> your*
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: do you think we are there?
[22:47] <Red_HamsterX> No... I'm having trouble with setting up the Quickshot user now...
[22:47] <Red_HamsterX> On logging in, nothing's starting up to say hi.
[22:47] <Red_HamsterX> And I'm not sure why.
[22:48] <Red_HamsterX> I launched it with --devel for the installation.
[22:49] <Red_HamsterX> Wanna walk me through the bzr installation process so I can be sure I haven't forgotten to do something?
[22:50] <godbyk> daker: Got 'em. Thanks.  Don't you think the xpdf output looks better than the evince output?
[22:51] <daker> godbyk, yeah
[22:51] <daker> and i think with PHP output it will looks better
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: sudo apt-get install bzr
[22:52] <Red_HamsterX> From the post-pull stage, I mean.
[22:53] <Red_HamsterX> I've got the most recent version of the code on my test system, with no quickshot user.
[22:53] <Red_HamsterX> What's the right command to use to launch Quickshot from here?
[22:53] <ubuntujenkins> you have py-bebel right? do quickly run --devel --debug
[22:54] <Red_HamsterX> From which directory?
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot in the quickshot home
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> have a look at the end of the .profile file please
[22:54] <Red_HamsterX> There is no quickshot home.
[22:55] <Red_HamsterX> (I removed the user)
[22:55] <Red_HamsterX> (To confirm whether this is a bug or not)
[22:55] <ubuntujenkins> sorry from where ever you have the branch in your user
[22:55] <Red_HamsterX> Template ubuntu-application does not exist.
[22:57] <ubuntujenkins> are you using ubuntu?
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> I am.
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> 10.04.
[22:57] <ubuntujenkins> have you got quickly installed?
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> Somehow, no, I did not.
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> Installing now.
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> Done.
[22:57] <Red_HamsterX> It must have been removed by an update.
[22:58] <Red_HamsterX> Still getting the same error.
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> do you have glade?
[22:58] <Red_HamsterX> Yes, I do,
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> Are you sure it's just "quickly run <options>" with no target?
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> does quickly design work?
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> It does not.
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> you have to change to the directory that contains the quickshot branch first
[22:59] <Red_HamsterX> I'm there.
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> o erm..
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> quickly glade?
[23:00] <Red_HamsterX> Same error...
[23:00] <Red_HamsterX> Hmm...
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> you must have something missing
[23:01] <dutchie> humphreybc: here now
[23:01] <humphreybc> hi
[23:01] <Red_HamsterX> I'm gonna dist-upgrade and reboot.
[23:01] <humphreybc> dutchie, how good are you at git and upstream and patching stuff and posting debdiffs and whatnot
[23:01] <ubuntujenkins> ok Red_HamsterX
[23:02] <dutchie> reasonably good, why?
[23:03] <humphreybc> dutchie: you need to fix this bug and patch it in Lucid, bug 248355
[23:03] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248355
[23:03] <humphreybc> read the last few comments
[23:03] <humphreybc> "If you want this fixed for Lucid, someone needs to backport the appropriate patches to 0.12.4 and post a debdiff against the current version in Lucid (0.12.4-0ubuntu2). I don’t know how easy that would be, nor whether such a patch would be accepted into Lucid after FeatureFreeze, but at least it would have a chance."
[23:04] <dutchie> right
[23:06] <humphreybc> :)
[23:07] <humphreybc> that's your job for the next couple of weeks :)
[23:07] <humphreybc> actually
[23:07] <Red_HamsterX> Why the heck does Lucid think I need Postfix?
[23:07] <humphreybc> that's your job for this week
[23:07] <humphreybc> (it needs to be done asap)
[23:07] <humphreybc> dutchie, you actually have till the 1st :)
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> GOOD LUCK dutchie debs are fun
[23:08] <humphreybc> (because that's beta2 freeze)
[23:08] <Red_HamsterX> des aren't bad if you;re working with an already-assembled pakage.
[23:08] <Red_HamsterX> Toss a patch into the direct directory, add an entry to serials, and let debhelper do the rest.
[23:08] <Red_HamsterX> beds*
[23:08] <Red_HamsterX> debs**
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[23:09] <Red_HamsterX> into the correct*
[23:09] <dutchie> shouldn't take too long to be honest
[23:09]  * Red_HamsterX needs typing lessons.
[23:10] <humphreybc> dutchie: please join me in #ubuntu-desktop
[23:13] <humphreybc> dutchie, deploy!
[23:13] <dutchie> doing it now
[23:13] <humphreybc> fantastic
[23:15] <Red_HamsterX> ...Did you just issue him a command?
[23:15] <humphreybc> hey mattgriffin could you please pastebin your Ubuntu One stuff so I can include it in main?
[23:15] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: sorry. doing now
[23:16] <humphreybc> mattgriffin: no worries, thanks
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot#preview
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> nope https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> comments please
[23:18] <ubuntujenkins> needs live cd burning instruction link
[23:19]  * daker have to made a download buttons for quickshot now
[23:19] <humphreybc> daker: what have you got planned for the rest of the website today?
[23:20] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406743/   ... 1 more coming
[23:20] <mattgriffin> humphreybc: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/406745/   ... that's it. thanks!
[23:23] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: hows the testing?
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> dist-upgrade just finsihed.
[23:24] <Red_HamsterX> Rebooting now.
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[23:27] <daker> ubuntujenkins, the "Get Quickshot" button doesn't work for you ?
[23:28] <ubuntujenkins> daker: that button will appear upon quickshot release on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> I will link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot
[23:29] <daker> what's Caption i'll put ?
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> "Download" will be fine please
[23:30] <daker> kk
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[23:30] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, quickly's not broken anymore.
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> Attempting to do free install.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> And the problems I was having seem to be gone.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> I didn't notice nm-applet disappear or anything, though...
[23:33]  * Red_HamsterX cycles.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> It's possible that it went down and up during the login process itself, though.
[23:34] <ubuntujenkins> does it show in the quickshot user?
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> It does, but it always did.
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> I never saw it disappear once.
[23:35] <ubuntujenkins> why is my computer so strange it was a clean install 4 days ago
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> This one's from March 4th.
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> It does some weird things.
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to try in virtual box
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> have you any thoughts on the wiki?
[23:38] <Red_HamsterX> Link?
[23:38] <ubuntujenkins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/
[23:38] <ubuntujenkins> I have set the e-mail in the about box as the quickshot devs one quickshotdevs@lists.launchpad.net
[23:38] <Red_HamsterX> Mind if I just edit stuff?
[23:39] <ubuntujenkins> nope go a head
[23:39] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to correct the screenshot count.
[23:40] <ubuntujenkins> I did that on the launchpad project page
[23:40] <ubuntujenkins> just forgot that one
[23:40] <humphreybc> daker, can we also take the stuff from the wiki with quickshot and put it on our website?
[23:41] <humphreybc> (it'll have to go in ubuntu-manual.org not test.ubuntu-manual.org)(
[23:41] <humphreybc> actually, put it in both because once we launch the test website as the main one we'll want quickshot information too
[23:41] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: are you in a postion to test if i send you a package?
[23:42] <humphreybc> so basically you want a Quickshot page with the overview from the wiki and instructions on adding the PPA.
[23:42] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: are you going to host a .deb or give instructions for the PPA? or both?
[23:42] <humphreybc> and yeah, I am, fire a deb my way
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> is the isntructions so far
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> just building you one
[23:43] <humphreybc> okay
[23:45] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: can you log into quickshot and see iff nm-applet is there please
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc:  sent
[23:50] <humphreybc> okay
[23:51] <humphreybc> so ubuntujenkins I should remove the PPA version and install this one?
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> please
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> and the user
[23:54] <humphreybc> ok
[23:54]  * humphreybc will be back