| IdleOne | Pendulum: well that is the whole thing. I want to try and avoid over lapping of efforts | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Pendulum | (I don't know what page you've grabbed, but I wonder if other people could do other sections on the same page) | 00:00 |
| pleia2 | I'd think multiple translators is preferred (error checking, making sure no one puts bad things in) | 00:00 |
| Pendulum | yeah, that's why I'm thinking set up the translation page even if it doesn't look pretty while in progress | 00:01 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I have declared myself as unofficial checker of bad things. I will be reading all the pages and making sure everything is accurate. | 00:01 |
| Pendulum | and then let people know it's there and that you're working on it, it's just in progress | 00:01 |
| pleia2 | http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki | 00:02 |
| pleia2 | but it's a million years old | 00:02 |
| IdleOne | heh think I should of actually read the main page :/ | 00:02 |
| pleia2 | http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators also, but again, very old | 00:02 |
| pleia2 | these are pages we moved over from wiki.ubuntu.com back in 2007 or something | 00:02 |
| pleia2 | when we first got our own wiki | 00:02 |
| IdleOne | I'm sure most of it still apllies | 00:03 |
| IdleOne | applies* | 00:03 |
| IdleOne | I just want to try and do this as efficiently as possible. I realize that it is going to take time but doubling of efforts will take more time | 00:04 |
| Pendulum | IdleOne: obviously I should have just answered "ask pleia2, she knows all." :P | 00:05 |
| IdleOne | haha | 00:05 |
| IdleOne | I always default to pleia2 :) figured I might try and give her a break | 00:05 |
| IdleOne | and ask someone else | 00:05 |
| pleia2 | I should have remembered these pages when IdleOne was talking about this the other day | 00:05 |
| * pleia2 brain fail for a bit | 00:06 | |
| * Pendulum hugs pleia2 | 00:06 | |
| * pleia2 hugs :) | 00:06 | |
| IdleOne | pleia2: it was late when we talked about it | 00:06 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 00:06 |
| pleia2 | I think I tend to default to "I only speak english, I don't know anything about translations" | 00:07 |
| IdleOne | and the focus of that convo was more about how to include people from other countries who don't speak english into this project | 00:07 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:07 | |
| IdleOne | translation was sorta dumped into it | 00:07 |
| IdleOne | :P | 00:07 |
| Pendulum | IdleOne: have you worked on translations for non-UW stuff? | 00:08 |
| Pendulum | (so stuff on wiki.ubuntu.com) | 00:08 |
| IdleOne | Also, translation of the wiki is great but it still leaves a divide in terms of inclusion into the irc channels and mailing list | 00:08 |
| IdleOne | Pendulum: I haven't | 00:08 |
| Pendulum | maybe talk to the team for that to ask what best practice is? | 00:09 |
| Pendulum | also, issyl0 might know (although I"m sure she's asleep right now) | 00:09 |
| IdleOne | yes I am in the translators channel but it is quiet right now | 00:09 |
| maco | Pendulum: im also interested in a11y in general, though my preferred desktop does not have an SP-API stuff :( well, maybe 10.04 does, not sure if that got into kde 4.4 or is waiting for 4.5 | 00:13 |
| Pendulum | maco: cool :) | 00:13 |
| maco | i dont actually *know* anything about doing a11y programming, but i'm up for learning | 00:19 |
| Pendulum | neither does anyone else I know | 00:21 |
| maco | pleia2: do you have a wii? | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | maco: yeah, but I don't have a tv right now | 00:26 |
| maco | pleia2: do you have a pink wiimote? | 00:26 |
| pleia2 | maco: no, they have pink covers though | 00:26 |
| maco | pleia2: pm me your address | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | ! | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | ok :) | 00:27 |
| nigelb | that was a fun scroll back | 01:17 |
| IdleOne | Ok the French version of the UW wiki has been moved back to /Fr to comply to wiki translation standards | 01:18 |
| IdleOne | far from complete but started | 01:18 |
| IdleOne | pleia2 asked me to discuss in here before editing http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UWMenuHeader | 01:58 |
| IdleOne | reason against or for? | 01:58 |
| pleia2 | I don't really want to add to it - already it is squished when I view the pages on my mini9 | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | what do you want to add? | 01:59 |
| IdleOne | I don't want to add anything | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | change? | 01:59 |
| IdleOne | I just needed the link so I could translate it | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | oh | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | you said "edit" :) | 02:00 |
| * IdleOne is not going to "change" anything on the wiki. Plan is to have a carbon copy of the wiki and all it's pages | 02:00 | |
| IdleOne | I did say edit :/ sowwie | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | but yeah, for anything like that you can look at Raw Text and see: <<Include(UWMenuHeader)>> | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | or somesuch | 02:00 |
| IdleOne | ok thank you | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | sure thing | 02:00 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: and if there is anything that would be considered an addition to the wiki i would discuss it here first :) | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | sub pages don't matter much, we want everyone to edit those | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | but the main page we like to talk about when people make changes | 02:02 |
| IdleOne | oh I hope I don't end up doing it all myself lol | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | especially the header, since it's on every page ;) | 02:02 |
| IdleOne | main page is almost finished. Sub pages I hope to get help <<poke issyl0>> | 02:03 |
| IdleOne | hehe | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | :D | 02:03 |
| JanC | IdleOne: it's about 2am for issyl0, so I guess she's getting some sleep before going to school later today ;) | 02:06 |
| IdleOne | JanC: yeah, I figured as much | 02:20 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I am thinking that maybe translating the UWMenuHeader is not a good idea just yet. | 02:25 |
| * IdleOne will wait on that | 02:25 | |
| pleia2 | fair enough :) | 02:25 |
| IdleOne | only because I don't understand the coding enough to have [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] direct to the /Fr page | 02:27 |
| IdleOne | damn I am getting good at this | 02:47 |
| IdleOne | :D | 02:47 |
| JanC | does the wiki have automatic redirects or something like that? | 03:17 |
| IdleOne | yes [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] will redirect to /Home [[Fr|UW Wiki Home]] now redirects back to the home page for wiki-ubuntu-women.org/Fr | 03:21 |
| * IdleOne is learning wiki editing :) | 03:21 | |
| JanC | but what if a page doesn't exist in French yet? | 03:21 |
| IdleOne | JanC: it needs to be created | 03:22 |
| JanC | so no automatic fallback? | 03:22 |
| IdleOne | at the moment we have /Fr and /Fr/AFaire | 03:22 |
| JanC | I somehow doubt moinmoin is really suitable for l10n :-/ | 03:23 |
| akgraner | so you can see all the subpages that UW has then see which ones you still need to do | 03:23 |
| akgraner | do you need a list? | 03:24 |
| IdleOne | the fall back is wiki.ubuntu-women.org pages will be created as they are translated and ready to be posted. I will keep an eye on the ToDo page aka /Fr/AFaire and when pages are posted as complete or in progress I will also make sure that they comply with the original version | 03:24 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: yes please :) | 03:24 |
| JanC | I was more thinking about how to keep links working properly etc. | 03:25 |
| IdleOne | so I am taking it upon myself to be the "fact checker and no stupid stuff checker" | 03:25 |
| IdleOne | I hope that is not to forward of me | 03:25 |
| IdleOne | any other French speaking members that the team trust is also more then welcome to check my checks | 03:26 |
| IdleOne | trusts* | 03:26 |
| JanC | IdleOne: in my locoteam, I welcome everybody who wants to do real work, and I'm sure that's no different in the U-W team ;) | 03:26 |
| akgraner | I'll stick a list of subpages off the main UW page so you can just see them | 03:26 |
| IdleOne | JanC: Oh, I know that this work is appreciated. I just don't want anyone to think that I have appointed myself leader. | 03:27 |
| IdleOne | when it comes to the translation of the wiki | 03:28 |
| JanC | personally I prefer people to be accepted as leaders instead of being appointed ;) | 03:28 |
| IdleOne | JanC: I volunteered to do this so I feel a certain responsibility now to make sure it is done properly is all I am trying to say :) | 03:29 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, thanks for doing these pages :-) | 03:34 |
| IdleOne | it is my pleasure :) | 03:35 |
| IdleOne | but since you are here | 03:35 |
| JanC | IdleOne: well, you have appointed yourself as a potential leader, let's hope others follow you, and if possible become leaders too ;) | 03:35 |
| IdleOne | JanC: :) | 03:35 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: do I need to upload the .png to each new page that includes the UWMenuHeader? | 03:35 |
| IdleOne | or is there a way to have them all link back to one central location? | 03:36 |
| akgraner | one sec I'll get you what you need to put {{ }} in between | 03:37 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, have you seen this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide | 03:38 |
| IdleOne | I have now :) | 03:38 |
| * pleia2 grins | 03:39 | |
| pleia2 | akgraner: bet you never would have thought you'd be such a wiki expert! :) | 03:39 |
| * IdleOne reminds pleia2 and elky of the promise they made | 03:40 | |
| akgraner | pleia2, nope - this love hate thing is becoming more love these days :-) | 03:40 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 03:40 |
| IdleOne | kick me in the butt if/when I start to slack | 03:40 |
| pleia2 | :) | 03:40 |
| JanC | wikis have always been great, just sometimes the easy editing has some drawbacks | 03:41 |
| akgraner | attachment:page_the_icon_is_on/icon_name.png | 03:42 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, you can also use the icons on the icon link on the wikiguide page I just posed | 03:43 |
| akgraner | posted even | 03:43 |
| IdleOne | AAAAAAAH HA | 03:45 |
| IdleOne | by George I got it | 03:45 |
| IdleOne | <<Include(UWMenuHeaderFr)>> | 03:45 |
| IdleOne | :P | 03:45 |
| IdleOne | I knew there was a reason why I translated that lol | 03:45 |
| IdleOne | thank you for the link akgraner I will read that | 03:47 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, the page I sent you for the NC team has how to do the includes and how to create the tables etc | 03:49 |
| IdleOne | yup put that in my Tomboy also :) | 03:49 |
| akgraner | :-) | 03:50 |
| elky | what promise? | 04:07 |
| IdleOne | elky: to kick me in the but if/when I start to slack on the translation of the UW wiki | 04:35 |
| IdleOne | butt* | 04:35 |
| IdleOne | I have done plenty for tonight :) | 04:35 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:30 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:59 |
| digitalshankar | hi evertbody!!!!! | 12:06 |
| digitalshankar | anybody for a chat? | 12:07 |
| digitalshankar | on ubuntu? | 12:07 |
| IdleOne | akgraner pleia2 ping | 12:59 |
| IdleOne | is there a way to set translations/edits to the UW wiki to require approval by 1 or several members before it is allowed to be posted live? | 13:00 |
| IdleOne | by several members I mean that either X,Y or Z can approve the translation. | 13:18 |
| IdleOne | http://planet.ubuntu-women.org/ Why does it not have the UW logo? | 14:01 |
| IdleOne | :/ | 14:01 |
| IdleOne | I love the Ubuntu logo, for those who don't know yet I have it tattooed on my forearm but it would be nice to have the official team logo on the planet | 14:02 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, you have it tattooed? o_0 | 14:02 |
| IdleOne | I do | 14:03 |
| nigelb | wow | 14:03 |
| IdleOne | nigelb: http://idle-one.blogspot.com/search?q=tattoo | 14:03 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, wow, its awesome :) | 14:06 |
| IdleOne | :) Thank you | 14:06 |
| AlanBell | ooh that was you! | 14:10 |
| AlanBell | I have seen that before | 14:11 |
| nigelb | AlanBell, ah, I never got the page suggestion btw | 14:11 |
| IdleOne | AlanBell: yup that is me | 14:14 |
| AlanBell | nigelb: oh, that sucks. Facebook sucks. | 14:14 |
| nigelb | :D | 14:15 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: oi oi | 14:16 |
| AlanBell | hi czajkowski | 14:17 |
| czajkowski | that reminds me, I'm now admin of that page... | 14:17 |
| czajkowski | as that a mistake | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | no, I don't make mistakes | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | :-) | 14:18 |
| czajkowski | nutter | 14:18 |
| czajkowski | ok | 14:18 |
| czajkowski | :) | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | It popped up a thing asking who I wanted to make admins | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | I did the "suggest to your friends" thing a couple of times but I am not sure it did anything | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | maybe I need new friends | 14:20 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: sent 40 invitewss | 14:26 |
| AlanBell | thanks | 14:31 |
| AlanBell | wonder what I did wrong | 14:31 |
| maco | leann just got upload rights to the kernel! | 16:47 |
| nigelb | w00t, yaay! :) | 16:47 |
| akgraner | woot woot!!! | 16:47 |
| maco | leann's irc nick = ogasawara if you want to congratulate her in #ubuntu-kernel | 16:56 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: when the website was designed, we didn't have a logo | 17:04 |
| pleia2 | redesign of the website wasn't a priority when we had fewer volunteers, it will be for the 10.10 cycle | 17:04 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, if you need help with the wiki header btw, let me know :) | 17:04 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: and no, there isn't really an approval queue mechanism for the wiki | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | nigelb: I think I got it figured out. Did you notice something I missed? | 17:05 |
| nigelb | IdleOne, I was just reading yday night's scroll back | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: yes, I got some info from the -translators and maco was nice to point me into the right direction also | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | nigelb: ahh, ok :) | 17:05 |
| IdleOne | err -translators and #moin | 17:06 |
| IdleOne | so i think I am now subscribe to /Fr/* which should send me email about any changes made and pages created under /Fr | 17:07 |
| IdleOne | well I think I need to go out into the fresh air and take a little walk. | 17:10 |
| IdleOne | be back in a little while | 17:10 |
| issyl0 | Hello | 17:21 |
| nigelb | heya issyl0 :) | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: do you want to use http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators ? | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | someone just updated her info there, so we should probably do *something* with it | 18:10 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: use in what sense? | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: add yourself to the list, encourage others to, clean it up if there are inaccuracies | 18:11 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: good idea | 18:11 |
| IdleOne | will do that now | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 18:12 |
| akgraner | this is so cool - and exciting :-) | 18:12 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 18:16 |
| IdleOne | ok done and also updated /Fr/AFaire and took Translators page to work on | 18:25 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: I am not receiving emails from U-W wiki when changes are made :/ | 18:29 |
| IdleOne | akgraner: I have to admit that this is really the first "real" work I have done in Ubuntu. | 18:30 |
| IdleOne | Don't think I could of picked a better project :) | 18:30 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, it's a great place to start - that's for sure :-) | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | Well I mean besides being my usual sarcastic self | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | :P | 18:31 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, when you make changes you won't get emails | 18:31 |
| IdleOne | ahh ok | 18:32 |
| akgraner | however, when other people do you will :-) | 18:32 |
| akgraner | IdleOne, I said the same thing when I started working on wikis | 18:32 |
| * pleia2 has a pile of IdleOne changes stuff on the wiki emails ;) | 18:34 | |
| nigelb | lol pleia2 | 18:34 |
| nigelb | I wonder about dholbach | 18:35 |
| akgraner | well that and a lot of grumbling about "hating" them :-) pleia2 my inbox has a lot from IdleOne as well :-) | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: wonder about? | 18:35 |
| IdleOne | I bet you do pleia2 | 18:35 |
| nigelb | he's subscribed to *every* page | 18:35 |
| IdleOne | but I am learning to use the preview button :P | 18:35 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: oh, on the wiki.u.c wiki, yeah | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne :) | 18:36 |
| nigelb | pleia2, :) | 18:36 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: just filter any mail from oneidle to trash hehe | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | I'm subscribed to every page on UW, but it's not quite as large | 18:36 |
| IdleOne | well I hope to be getting lots of emails :) | 18:39 |
| IdleOne | if not means I am on my own | 18:40 |
| IdleOne | heh | 18:40 |
| IdleOne | I need a 42" monitor | 18:54 |
| IdleOne | s/need/want | 18:54 |
| jussi01 | IdleOne: dont we all? | 18:55 |
| IdleOne | I would hope so :) | 18:57 |
| IdleOne | I also NEED caffeine | 18:58 |
| * IdleOne gets caffeine | 18:58 | |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: just use 16 virtual desktops like I do | 19:02 |
| * pleia2 waves to jussi01 | 19:02 | |
| jussi01 | hiya pleia2 | 19:02 |
| maco | IdleOne: SHINY https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems?action=raw | 19:05 |
| IdleOne | packagingGuide? | 19:05 |
| * IdleOne looks before asking the next question | 19:06 | |
| * pleia2 really needs to get up to speed with quilt | 19:06 | |
| maco | pleia2: heh glad you asked | 19:06 |
| IdleOne | maco: yes that would be a good page to translate also | 19:06 |
| maco | pleia2: http://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?2008/02/05/3-quilt-a-patch-management-system-how-to-survive-with-many-patches | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | maco: yeah, I have that, haven't digested :) | 19:07 |
| maco | IdleOne: no no look how they do translation | 19:07 |
| maco | IdleOne: see the include from start-english to end-english? | 19:07 |
| IdleOne | I don't understand what that does | 19:08 |
| maco | hmm i guess its too late to do that to the menu at the top of pages... | 19:09 |
| maco | oh and theyd link the wrong place... | 19:09 |
| maco | nevemrind | 19:09 |
| IdleOne | lol | 19:10 |
| IdleOne | ok | 19:10 |
| maco | i just thought it was neat that they were like... having a page in lots of translations then including just the translation they wanted in the actual packaging guide page | 19:10 |
| IdleOne | ok time for some food and t.v. | 19:14 |
| * jussi01 grumbles at slow torrents... | 19:16 | |
| jussi01 | Im only getting 1.2 MiB/s... | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: you leading the lucid UOW -women session on awesome stuff we're doing? | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | (seems most appropriate) | 20:28 |
| akgraner | pleia2, I added my name to the wiki :-) | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | ah ok, /me should have refreshed | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | I looked earlier :) | 20:28 |
| akgraner | thought since I am hounding the rest of the community it was the least I could do :-) | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:29 |
| akgraner | hehe | 20:29 |
| akgraner | but anyone who wants to help once it is scheduled can join in on all the fun (hint hint hint) | 20:30 |
| * pleia2 avoids eye contact | 20:31 | |
| czajkowski | aloha folks | 20:34 |
| akgraner | pleia2, hehe | 20:34 |
| akgraner | pleia2, however I will need help setting up the stuff in the Calendar that Lernid uses | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | akgraner: sure thing | 20:35 |
| akgraner | as I haven't helped with an "Ubuntu Week" since Lernid has been put in place | 20:35 |
| pleia2 | and there is classbot now too :) | 20:36 |
| akgraner | oh cool - gotta get up to speed on those | 20:36 |
| * akgraner is such a slacker | 20:36 | |
| pleia2 | hah | 20:36 |
| maco | hahaha yeah right | 20:36 |
| akgraner | :-P | 20:37 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: dont make me come over there and wallop you | 20:38 |
| akgraner | czajkowski, the door is open please feel free to visit :-) | 20:40 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: you do know that would such a bad idea :) | 20:41 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: neither of us would get any work done | 20:41 |
| czajkowski | akgraner: shootin' n drinkin' | 20:41 |
| maco | i hope not at the same time! | 20:42 |
| czajkowski | oh but of course at the same time! | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | just in from a podcast on open source in ireland and the barcamp I run over here | 20:43 |
| czajkowski | 3 weeks to go and only 19 spaces left to attend with 2 spots to fill :D | 20:43 |
| akgraner | maco, haha - nah - shooting and driving are two things I def won't do while drinking | 20:43 |
| maco | czajkowski: sounds like a good way to deadin' | 20:44 |
| czajkowski | maco: but I've good aim :) | 20:45 |
| IdleOne | anybody care to explain what i18n is? | 22:41 |
| IdleOne | context: The Open-Source Software i18n (internationalization) world is both diverse and inclusive | 22:42 |
| IdleOne | ahh found it | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | i followed by 18 letters then n | 22:44 |
| IdleOne | clever | 22:44 |
| IdleOne | AlanBell: :) | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | nternationalizatio | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | but it has an S in it!! | 22:45 |
| AlanBell | internationaliSation | 22:45 |
| rww | obviously, they use i18n instead to keep the en_GB people quiet ;P | 22:45 |
| IdleOne | in your world it does :P | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | rww: lol | 22:45 |
| IdleOne | i18n works for the french word also | 22:46 |
| IdleOne | heh | 22:46 |
| * IdleOne is learning so much :) | 22:46 | |
| IdleOne | I want to go on Sesame street now and sing a song | 22:46 |
| IdleOne | lol | 22:46 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution | 22:47 |
| MichelleQ | sing, sing a song... make it simple, to last the whole year long... | 22:47 |
| MichelleQ | sorry... | 22:47 |
| * MichelleQ wanders off | 22:48 | |
| IdleOne | *in a sweet angel like voice* Mommy don't stop singing :) | 22:49 |
| rww | IdleOne: Go get some Severed Fifth, let jono sing to you! or play music. or whatever it is he does. | 22:50 |
| rww | apparently everything! | 22:51 |
| IdleOne | Severed Fifth | 22:51 |
| IdleOne | hmm sounds crazy enough for me to like them | 22:52 |
| IdleOne | cyphermox from the ubuntu-qc team asked me to add http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/AFaire to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/AFaire \o/ for collaboration between teams | 23:06 |
| pleia2 | IdleOne: cool, thanks :) | 23:21 |
| IdleOne | pleia2: :) | 23:22 |
| IdleOne | only thing is I did not add the MenuHeader to the quebec team page because I did not want to highjack their wiki :) | 23:26 |
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