[00:00] Pendulum: well that is the whole thing. I want to try and avoid over lapping of efforts [00:00] (I don't know what page you've grabbed, but I wonder if other people could do other sections on the same page) [00:00] I'd think multiple translators is preferred (error checking, making sure no one puts bad things in) [00:01] yeah, that's why I'm thinking set up the translation page even if it doesn't look pretty while in progress [00:01] pleia2: I have declared myself as unofficial checker of bad things. I will be reading all the pages and making sure everything is accurate. [00:01] and then let people know it's there and that you're working on it, it's just in progress [00:02] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki [00:02] but it's a million years old [00:02] heh think I should of actually read the main page :/ [00:02] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators also, but again, very old [00:02] these are pages we moved over from wiki.ubuntu.com back in 2007 or something [00:02] when we first got our own wiki [00:03] I'm sure most of it still apllies [00:03] applies* [00:04] I just want to try and do this as efficiently as possible. I realize that it is going to take time but doubling of efforts will take more time [00:05] IdleOne: obviously I should have just answered "ask pleia2, she knows all." :P [00:05] haha [00:05] I always default to pleia2 :) figured I might try and give her a break [00:05] and ask someone else [00:05] I should have remembered these pages when IdleOne was talking about this the other day [00:06] * pleia2 brain fail for a bit [00:06] * Pendulum hugs pleia2 [00:06] * pleia2 hugs :) [00:06] pleia2: it was late when we talked about it [00:06] yeah [00:07] I think I tend to default to "I only speak english, I don't know anything about translations" [00:07] and the focus of that convo was more about how to include people from other countries who don't speak english into this project [00:07] * pleia2 nods [00:07] translation was sorta dumped into it [00:07] :P [00:08] IdleOne: have you worked on translations for non-UW stuff? [00:08] (so stuff on wiki.ubuntu.com) [00:08] Also, translation of the wiki is great but it still leaves a divide in terms of inclusion into the irc channels and mailing list [00:08] Pendulum: I haven't [00:09] maybe talk to the team for that to ask what best practice is? [00:09] also, issyl0 might know (although I"m sure she's asleep right now) [00:09] yes I am in the translators channel but it is quiet right now [00:13] Pendulum: im also interested in a11y in general, though my preferred desktop does not have an SP-API stuff :( well, maybe 10.04 does, not sure if that got into kde 4.4 or is waiting for 4.5 [00:13] maco: cool :) [00:19] i dont actually *know* anything about doing a11y programming, but i'm up for learning [00:21] neither does anyone else I know [00:25] pleia2: do you have a wii? [00:26] maco: yeah, but I don't have a tv right now [00:26] pleia2: do you have a pink wiimote? [00:26] maco: no, they have pink covers though [00:27] pleia2: pm me your address [00:27] ! [00:27] ok :) [01:17] that was a fun scroll back [01:18] Ok the French version of the UW wiki has been moved back to /Fr to comply to wiki translation standards [01:18] far from complete but started [01:58] pleia2 asked me to discuss in here before editing http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UWMenuHeader [01:58] reason against or for? [01:59] I don't really want to add to it - already it is squished when I view the pages on my mini9 [01:59] what do you want to add? [01:59] I don't want to add anything [01:59] change? [01:59] I just needed the link so I could translate it [01:59] oh [02:00] you said "edit" :) [02:00] * IdleOne is not going to "change" anything on the wiki. Plan is to have a carbon copy of the wiki and all it's pages [02:00] I did say edit :/ sowwie [02:00] but yeah, for anything like that you can look at Raw Text and see: <> [02:00] or somesuch [02:00] ok thank you [02:00] sure thing [02:01] pleia2: and if there is anything that would be considered an addition to the wiki i would discuss it here first :) [02:01] thanks :) [02:02] sub pages don't matter much, we want everyone to edit those [02:02] but the main page we like to talk about when people make changes [02:02] oh I hope I don't end up doing it all myself lol [02:02] especially the header, since it's on every page ;) [02:03] main page is almost finished. Sub pages I hope to get help <> [02:03] hehe [02:03] :D [02:06] IdleOne: it's about 2am for issyl0, so I guess she's getting some sleep before going to school later today ;) [02:20] JanC: yeah, I figured as much [02:25] pleia2: I am thinking that maybe translating the UWMenuHeader is not a good idea just yet. [02:25] * IdleOne will wait on that [02:25] fair enough :) [02:27] only because I don't understand the coding enough to have [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] direct to the /Fr page [02:47] damn I am getting good at this [02:47] :D [03:17] does the wiki have automatic redirects or something like that? [03:21] yes [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] will redirect to /Home [[Fr|UW Wiki Home]] now redirects back to the home page for wiki-ubuntu-women.org/Fr [03:21] * IdleOne is learning wiki editing :) [03:21] but what if a page doesn't exist in French yet? [03:22] JanC: it needs to be created [03:22] so no automatic fallback? [03:22] at the moment we have /Fr and /Fr/AFaire [03:23] I somehow doubt moinmoin is really suitable for l10n :-/ [03:23] so you can see all the subpages that UW has then see which ones you still need to do [03:24] do you need a list? [03:24] the fall back is wiki.ubuntu-women.org pages will be created as they are translated and ready to be posted. I will keep an eye on the ToDo page aka /Fr/AFaire and when pages are posted as complete or in progress I will also make sure that they comply with the original version [03:24] akgraner: yes please :) [03:25] I was more thinking about how to keep links working properly etc. [03:25] so I am taking it upon myself to be the "fact checker and no stupid stuff checker" [03:25] I hope that is not to forward of me [03:26] any other French speaking members that the team trust is also more then welcome to check my checks [03:26] trusts* [03:26] IdleOne: in my locoteam, I welcome everybody who wants to do real work, and I'm sure that's no different in the U-W team ;) [03:26] I'll stick a list of subpages off the main UW page so you can just see them [03:27] JanC: Oh, I know that this work is appreciated. I just don't want anyone to think that I have appointed myself leader. [03:28] when it comes to the translation of the wiki [03:28] personally I prefer people to be accepted as leaders instead of being appointed ;) [03:29] JanC: I volunteered to do this so I feel a certain responsibility now to make sure it is done properly is all I am trying to say :) [03:34] IdleOne, thanks for doing these pages :-) [03:35] it is my pleasure :) [03:35] but since you are here [03:35] IdleOne: well, you have appointed yourself as a potential leader, let's hope others follow you, and if possible become leaders too ;) [03:35] JanC: :) [03:35] akgraner: do I need to upload the .png to each new page that includes the UWMenuHeader? [03:36] or is there a way to have them all link back to one central location? [03:37] one sec I'll get you what you need to put {{ }} in between [03:38] IdleOne, have you seen this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide [03:38] I have now :) [03:39] * pleia2 grins [03:39] akgraner: bet you never would have thought you'd be such a wiki expert! :) [03:40] * IdleOne reminds pleia2 and elky of the promise they made [03:40] pleia2, nope - this love hate thing is becoming more love these days :-) [03:40] hehe [03:40] kick me in the butt if/when I start to slack [03:40] :) [03:41] wikis have always been great, just sometimes the easy editing has some drawbacks [03:42] attachment:page_the_icon_is_on/icon_name.png [03:43] IdleOne, you can also use the icons on the icon link on the wikiguide page I just posed [03:43] posted even [03:45] AAAAAAAH HA [03:45] by George I got it [03:45] <> [03:45] :P [03:45] I knew there was a reason why I translated that lol [03:47] thank you for the link akgraner I will read that [03:49] IdleOne, the page I sent you for the NC team has how to do the includes and how to create the tables etc [03:49] yup put that in my Tomboy also :) [03:50] :-) [04:07] what promise? [04:35] elky: to kick me in the but if/when I start to slack on the translation of the UW wiki [04:35] butt* [04:35] I have done plenty for tonight :) [07:30] aloha [07:59] good morning [12:06] hi evertbody!!!!! [12:07] anybody for a chat? [12:07] on ubuntu? [12:59] akgraner pleia2 ping [13:00] is there a way to set translations/edits to the UW wiki to require approval by 1 or several members before it is allowed to be posted live? [13:18] by several members I mean that either X,Y or Z can approve the translation. [14:01] http://planet.ubuntu-women.org/ Why does it not have the UW logo? [14:01] :/ [14:02] I love the Ubuntu logo, for those who don't know yet I have it tattooed on my forearm but it would be nice to have the official team logo on the planet [14:02] IdleOne, you have it tattooed? o_0 [14:03] I do [14:03] wow [14:03] nigelb: http://idle-one.blogspot.com/search?q=tattoo [14:06] IdleOne, wow, its awesome :) [14:06] :) Thank you [14:10] ooh that was you! [14:11] I have seen that before [14:11] AlanBell, ah, I never got the page suggestion btw [14:14] AlanBell: yup that is me [14:14] nigelb: oh, that sucks. Facebook sucks. [14:15] :D [14:16] AlanBell: oi oi [14:17] hi czajkowski [14:17] that reminds me, I'm now admin of that page... [14:17] as that a mistake [14:18] no, I don't make mistakes [14:18] :-) [14:18] nutter [14:18] ok [14:18] :) [14:18] It popped up a thing asking who I wanted to make admins [14:19] I did the "suggest to your friends" thing a couple of times but I am not sure it did anything [14:20] maybe I need new friends [14:26] AlanBell: sent 40 invitewss [14:31] thanks [14:31] wonder what I did wrong [16:47] leann just got upload rights to the kernel! [16:47] w00t, yaay! :) [16:47] woot woot!!! [16:56] leann's irc nick = ogasawara if you want to congratulate her in #ubuntu-kernel [17:04] IdleOne: when the website was designed, we didn't have a logo [17:04] redesign of the website wasn't a priority when we had fewer volunteers, it will be for the 10.10 cycle [17:04] IdleOne, if you need help with the wiki header btw, let me know :) [17:05] IdleOne: and no, there isn't really an approval queue mechanism for the wiki [17:05] nigelb: I think I got it figured out. Did you notice something I missed? [17:05] IdleOne, I was just reading yday night's scroll back [17:05] pleia2: yes, I got some info from the -translators and maco was nice to point me into the right direction also [17:05] nigelb: ahh, ok :) [17:06] err -translators and #moin [17:07] so i think I am now subscribe to /Fr/* which should send me email about any changes made and pages created under /Fr [17:10] well I think I need to go out into the fresh air and take a little walk. [17:10] be back in a little while [17:21] Hello [17:22] heya issyl0 :) [18:09] IdleOne: do you want to use http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators ? [18:10] someone just updated her info there, so we should probably do *something* with it [18:11] pleia2: use in what sense? [18:11] IdleOne: add yourself to the list, encourage others to, clean it up if there are inaccuracies [18:11] pleia2: good idea [18:11] will do that now [18:12] thanks :) [18:12] this is so cool - and exciting :-) [18:16] yeah :) [18:25] ok done and also updated /Fr/AFaire and took Translators page to work on [18:29] pleia2: I am not receiving emails from U-W wiki when changes are made :/ [18:30] akgraner: I have to admit that this is really the first "real" work I have done in Ubuntu. [18:30] Don't think I could of picked a better project :) [18:31] IdleOne, it's a great place to start - that's for sure :-) [18:31] Well I mean besides being my usual sarcastic self [18:31] :P [18:31] IdleOne, when you make changes you won't get emails [18:32] ahh ok [18:32] however, when other people do you will :-) [18:32] IdleOne, I said the same thing when I started working on wikis [18:34] * pleia2 has a pile of IdleOne changes stuff on the wiki emails ;) [18:34] lol pleia2 [18:35] I wonder about dholbach [18:35] well that and a lot of grumbling about "hating" them :-) pleia2 my inbox has a lot from IdleOne as well :-) [18:35] nigelb: wonder about? [18:35] I bet you do pleia2 [18:35] he's subscribed to *every* page [18:35] but I am learning to use the preview button :P [18:36] nigelb: oh, on the wiki.u.c wiki, yeah [18:36] IdleOne :) [18:36] pleia2, :) [18:36] pleia2: just filter any mail from oneidle to trash hehe [18:36] I'm subscribed to every page on UW, but it's not quite as large [18:39] well I hope to be getting lots of emails :) [18:40] if not means I am on my own [18:40] heh [18:54] I need a 42" monitor [18:54] s/need/want [18:55] IdleOne: dont we all? [18:57] I would hope so :) [18:58] I also NEED caffeine [18:58] * IdleOne gets caffeine [19:02] IdleOne: just use 16 virtual desktops like I do [19:02] * pleia2 waves to jussi01 [19:02] hiya pleia2 [19:05] IdleOne: SHINY https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems?action=raw [19:05] packagingGuide? [19:06] * IdleOne looks before asking the next question [19:06] * pleia2 really needs to get up to speed with quilt [19:06] pleia2: heh glad you asked [19:06] maco: yes that would be a good page to translate also [19:06] pleia2: http://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?2008/02/05/3-quilt-a-patch-management-system-how-to-survive-with-many-patches [19:07] maco: yeah, I have that, haven't digested :) [19:07] IdleOne: no no look how they do translation [19:07] IdleOne: see the include from start-english to end-english? [19:08] I don't understand what that does [19:09] hmm i guess its too late to do that to the menu at the top of pages... [19:09] oh and theyd link the wrong place... [19:09] nevemrind [19:10] lol [19:10] ok [19:10] i just thought it was neat that they were like... having a page in lots of translations then including just the translation they wanted in the actual packaging guide page [19:14] ok time for some food and t.v. [19:16] * jussi01 grumbles at slow torrents... [19:17] Im only getting 1.2 MiB/s... [20:28] akgraner: you leading the lucid UOW -women session on awesome stuff we're doing? [20:28] (seems most appropriate) [20:28] pleia2, I added my name to the wiki :-) [20:28] ah ok, /me should have refreshed [20:28] I looked earlier :) [20:28] thought since I am hounding the rest of the community it was the least I could do :-) [20:29] :) [20:29] hehe [20:30] but anyone who wants to help once it is scheduled can join in on all the fun (hint hint hint) [20:31] * pleia2 avoids eye contact [20:34] aloha folks [20:34] pleia2, hehe [20:35] pleia2, however I will need help setting up the stuff in the Calendar that Lernid uses [20:35] akgraner: sure thing [20:35] as I haven't helped with an "Ubuntu Week" since Lernid has been put in place [20:36] and there is classbot now too :) [20:36] oh cool - gotta get up to speed on those [20:36] * akgraner is such a slacker [20:36] hah [20:36] hahaha yeah right [20:37] :-P [20:38] akgraner: dont make me come over there and wallop you [20:40] czajkowski, the door is open please feel free to visit :-) [20:41] akgraner: you do know that would such a bad idea :) [20:41] akgraner: neither of us would get any work done [20:41] akgraner: shootin' n drinkin' [20:42] i hope not at the same time! [20:43] oh but of course at the same time! [20:43] just in from a podcast on open source in ireland and the barcamp I run over here [20:43] 3 weeks to go and only 19 spaces left to attend with 2 spots to fill :D [20:43] maco, haha - nah - shooting and driving are two things I def won't do while drinking [20:44] czajkowski: sounds like a good way to deadin' [20:45] maco: but I've good aim :) [22:41] anybody care to explain what i18n is? [22:42] context: The Open-Source Software i18n (internationalization) world is both diverse and inclusive [22:44] ahh found it [22:44] i followed by 18 letters then n [22:44] clever [22:44] AlanBell: :) [22:44] nternationalizatio [22:45] but it has an S in it!! [22:45] internationaliSation [22:45] obviously, they use i18n instead to keep the en_GB people quiet ;P [22:45] in your world it does :P [22:45] rww: lol [22:46] i18n works for the french word also [22:46] heh [22:46] * IdleOne is learning so much :) [22:46] I want to go on Sesame street now and sing a song [22:46] lol [22:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution [22:47] sing, sing a song... make it simple, to last the whole year long... [22:47] sorry... [22:48] * MichelleQ wanders off [22:49] *in a sweet angel like voice* Mommy don't stop singing :) [22:50] IdleOne: Go get some Severed Fifth, let jono sing to you! or play music. or whatever it is he does. [22:51] apparently everything! [22:51] Severed Fifth [22:52] hmm sounds crazy enough for me to like them [23:06] cyphermox from the ubuntu-qc team asked me to add http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/AFaire to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/AFaire \o/ for collaboration between teams [23:21] IdleOne: cool, thanks :) [23:22] pleia2: :) [23:26] only thing is I did not add the MenuHeader to the quebec team page because I did not want to highjack their wiki :)