[00:00] <IdleOne> Pendulum: well that is the whole thing. I want to try and avoid over lapping of efforts
[00:00] <Pendulum> (I don't know what page you've grabbed, but I wonder if other people could do other sections on the same page)
[00:00] <pleia2> I'd think multiple translators is preferred (error checking, making sure no one puts bad things in)
[00:01] <Pendulum> yeah, that's why I'm thinking set up the translation page even if it doesn't look pretty while in progress
[00:01] <IdleOne> pleia2: I have declared myself as unofficial checker of bad things. I will be reading all the pages and making sure everything is accurate.
[00:01] <Pendulum> and then let people know it's there and that you're working on it, it's just in progress
[00:02] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki
[00:02] <pleia2> but it's a million years old
[00:02] <IdleOne> heh think I should of actually read the main page :/
[00:02] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators also, but again, very old
[00:02] <pleia2> these are pages we moved over from wiki.ubuntu.com back in 2007 or something
[00:02] <pleia2> when we first got our own wiki
[00:03] <IdleOne> I'm sure most of it still apllies
[00:03] <IdleOne> applies*
[00:04] <IdleOne> I just want to try and do this as efficiently as possible. I realize that it is going to take time but doubling of efforts will take more time
[00:05] <Pendulum> IdleOne: obviously I should have just answered "ask pleia2, she knows all." :P
[00:05] <IdleOne> haha
[00:05] <IdleOne> I always default to pleia2 :) figured I might try and give her a break
[00:05] <IdleOne> and ask someone else
[00:05] <pleia2> I should have remembered these pages when IdleOne was talking about this the other day
[00:06]  * pleia2 brain fail for a bit
[00:06]  * Pendulum hugs pleia2 
[00:06]  * pleia2 hugs :)
[00:06] <IdleOne> pleia2: it was late when we talked about it
[00:06] <pleia2> yeah
[00:07] <pleia2> I think I tend to default to "I only speak english, I don't know anything about translations"
[00:07] <IdleOne> and the focus of that convo was more about how to include people from other countries who don't speak english into this project
[00:07]  * pleia2 nods
[00:07] <IdleOne> translation was sorta dumped into it
[00:07] <IdleOne> :P
[00:08] <Pendulum> IdleOne: have you worked on translations for non-UW stuff?
[00:08] <Pendulum> (so stuff on wiki.ubuntu.com)
[00:08] <IdleOne> Also, translation of the wiki is great but it still leaves a divide in terms of inclusion into the irc channels and mailing list
[00:08] <IdleOne> Pendulum: I haven't
[00:09] <Pendulum> maybe talk to the team for that to ask what best practice is?
[00:09] <Pendulum> also, issyl0 might know (although I"m sure she's asleep right now)
[00:09] <IdleOne> yes I am in the translators channel but it is quiet right now
[00:13] <maco> Pendulum: im also interested in a11y in general, though my preferred desktop does not have an SP-API stuff :(  well, maybe 10.04 does, not sure if that got into kde 4.4 or is waiting for 4.5
[00:13] <Pendulum> maco: cool :)
[00:19] <maco> i dont actually *know* anything about doing a11y programming, but i'm up for learning
[00:21] <Pendulum> neither does anyone else I know
[00:25] <maco> pleia2: do you have a wii?
[00:26] <pleia2> maco: yeah, but I don't have a tv right now
[00:26] <maco> pleia2: do you have a pink wiimote?
[00:26] <pleia2> maco: no, they have pink covers though
[00:27] <maco> pleia2: pm me your address
[00:27] <pleia2> !
[00:27] <pleia2> ok :)
[01:17] <nigelb> that was a fun scroll back
[01:18] <IdleOne> Ok the French version of the UW wiki has been moved back to /Fr to comply to wiki translation standards
[01:18] <IdleOne> far from complete but started
[01:58] <IdleOne> pleia2 asked me to discuss in here before editing http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UWMenuHeader
[01:58] <IdleOne> reason against or for?
[01:59] <pleia2> I don't really want to add to it - already it is squished when I view the pages on my mini9
[01:59] <pleia2> what do you want to add?
[01:59] <IdleOne> I don't want to add anything
[01:59] <pleia2> change?
[01:59] <IdleOne> I just needed the link so I could translate it
[01:59] <pleia2> oh
[02:00] <pleia2> you said "edit" :)
[02:00]  * IdleOne is not going to "change" anything on the wiki. Plan is to have a carbon copy of the wiki and all it's pages
[02:00] <IdleOne> I did say edit :/ sowwie
[02:00] <pleia2> but yeah, for anything like that you can look at Raw Text and see: <<Include(UWMenuHeader)>>
[02:00] <pleia2> or somesuch
[02:00] <IdleOne> ok thank you
[02:00] <pleia2> sure thing
[02:01] <IdleOne> pleia2: and if there is anything that would be considered an addition to the wiki i would discuss it here first :)
[02:01] <pleia2> thanks :)
[02:02] <pleia2> sub pages don't matter much, we want everyone to edit those
[02:02] <pleia2> but the main page we like to talk about when people make changes
[02:02] <IdleOne> oh I hope I don't end up doing it all myself lol
[02:02] <pleia2> especially the header, since it's on every page ;)
[02:03] <IdleOne> main page is almost finished. Sub pages I hope to get help <<poke issyl0>>
[02:03] <IdleOne> hehe
[02:03] <pleia2> :D
[02:06] <JanC> IdleOne: it's about 2am for issyl0, so I guess she's getting some sleep before going to school later today  ;)
[02:20] <IdleOne> JanC: yeah, I figured as much
[02:25] <IdleOne> pleia2: I am thinking that maybe translating the UWMenuHeader is not a good idea just yet.
[02:25]  * IdleOne will wait on that
[02:25] <pleia2> fair enough :)
[02:27] <IdleOne> only because I don't understand the coding enough to have [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] direct to the /Fr page
[02:47] <IdleOne> damn I am getting good at this
[02:47] <IdleOne> :D
[03:17] <JanC> does the wiki have automatic redirects or something like that?
[03:21] <IdleOne> yes [[Home|UW Wiki Home]] will redirect to /Home [[Fr|UW Wiki Home]] now redirects back to the home page for wiki-ubuntu-women.org/Fr
[03:21]  * IdleOne is learning wiki editing :)
[03:21] <JanC> but what if a page doesn't exist in French yet?
[03:22] <IdleOne> JanC: it needs to be created
[03:22] <JanC> so no automatic fallback?
[03:22] <IdleOne> at the moment we have /Fr and /Fr/AFaire
[03:23] <JanC> I somehow doubt moinmoin is really suitable for l10n  :-/
[03:23] <akgraner> so you can see all the subpages that UW has then see which ones you still need to do
[03:24] <akgraner> do you need a list?
[03:24] <IdleOne> the fall back is wiki.ubuntu-women.org  pages will be created as they are translated and ready to be posted. I will keep an eye on the ToDo page aka /Fr/AFaire and when pages are posted as complete or in progress I will also make sure that they comply with the original version
[03:24] <IdleOne> akgraner: yes please :)
[03:25] <JanC> I was more thinking about how to keep links working properly etc.
[03:25] <IdleOne> so I am taking it upon myself to be the "fact checker and no stupid stuff checker"
[03:25] <IdleOne> I hope that is not to forward of me
[03:26] <IdleOne> any other French speaking members that the team trust is also more then welcome to check my checks
[03:26] <IdleOne> trusts*
[03:26] <JanC> IdleOne: in my locoteam, I welcome everybody who wants to do real work, and I'm sure that's no different in the U-W team  ;)
[03:26] <akgraner> I'll stick a list of subpages off the main UW page so you can just see them
[03:27] <IdleOne> JanC: Oh, I know that this work is appreciated. I just don't want anyone to think that I have appointed myself leader.
[03:28] <IdleOne> when it comes to the translation of the wiki
[03:28] <JanC> personally I prefer people to be accepted as leaders instead of being appointed  ;)
[03:29] <IdleOne> JanC: I volunteered to do this so I feel a certain responsibility now to make sure it is done properly is all I am trying to say :)
[03:34] <akgraner> IdleOne,  thanks for doing these pages :-)
[03:35] <IdleOne> it is my pleasure :)
[03:35] <IdleOne> but since you are here
[03:35] <JanC> IdleOne: well, you have appointed yourself as a potential leader, let's hope others follow you, and if possible become leaders too  ;)
[03:35] <IdleOne> JanC: :)
[03:35] <IdleOne> akgraner: do I need to upload the .png to each new page that includes the UWMenuHeader?
[03:36] <IdleOne> or is there a way to have them all link back to one central location?
[03:37] <akgraner> one sec I'll get you what you need to put {{  }}  in between
[03:38] <akgraner> IdleOne, have you seen this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[03:38] <IdleOne> I have now :)
[03:39]  * pleia2 grins
[03:39] <pleia2> akgraner: bet you never would have thought you'd be such a wiki expert! :)
[03:40]  * IdleOne reminds pleia2 and elky of the promise they made
[03:40] <akgraner> pleia2, nope - this love hate thing is becoming more love these days :-)
[03:40] <pleia2> hehe
[03:40] <IdleOne> kick me in the butt if/when I start to slack
[03:40] <pleia2> :)
[03:41] <JanC> wikis have always been great, just sometimes the easy editing has some drawbacks
[03:42] <akgraner> attachment:page_the_icon_is_on/icon_name.png
[03:43] <akgraner> IdleOne, you can also use the icons on the icon link on the wikiguide page I just posed
[03:43] <akgraner> posted even
[03:45] <IdleOne> AAAAAAAH HA
[03:45] <IdleOne> by George I got it
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[03:45] <IdleOne> :P
[03:45] <IdleOne> I knew there was a reason why I translated that lol
[03:47] <IdleOne> thank you for the link akgraner I will read that
[03:49] <akgraner> IdleOne, the page I sent you for the NC team has how to do the includes and how to create the tables etc
[03:49] <IdleOne> yup put that in my Tomboy also :)
[03:50] <akgraner> :-)
[04:07] <elky> what promise?
[04:35] <IdleOne> elky: to kick me in the but if/when I start to slack on the translation of the UW wiki
[04:35] <IdleOne> butt*
[04:35] <IdleOne> I have done plenty for tonight :)
[07:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[12:06] <digitalshankar> hi evertbody!!!!!
[12:07] <digitalshankar> anybody for a chat?
[12:07] <digitalshankar> on ubuntu?
[12:59] <IdleOne> akgraner pleia2 ping
[13:00] <IdleOne> is there a way to set translations/edits to the UW wiki to require approval by 1 or several members before it is allowed to be posted live?
[13:18] <IdleOne> by several members I mean that either X,Y or Z can approve the translation.
[14:01] <IdleOne> http://planet.ubuntu-women.org/ Why does it not have the UW logo?
[14:01] <IdleOne> :/
[14:02] <IdleOne> I love the Ubuntu logo, for those who don't know yet I have it tattooed on my forearm but it would be nice to have the official team logo on the planet
[14:02] <nigelb> IdleOne, you have it tattooed? o_0
[14:03] <IdleOne> I do
[14:03] <nigelb> wow
[14:03] <IdleOne> nigelb: http://idle-one.blogspot.com/search?q=tattoo
[14:06] <nigelb> IdleOne, wow, its awesome :)
[14:06] <IdleOne> :) Thank you
[14:10] <AlanBell> ooh that was you!
[14:11] <AlanBell> I have seen that before
[14:11] <nigelb> AlanBell, ah, I never got the page suggestion btw
[14:14] <IdleOne> AlanBell: yup that is me
[14:14] <AlanBell> nigelb: oh, that sucks. Facebook sucks.
[14:15] <nigelb> :D
[14:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oi oi
[14:17] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[14:17] <czajkowski> that reminds me, I'm now admin of that page...
[14:17] <czajkowski> as that a mistake
[14:18] <AlanBell> no, I don't make mistakes
[14:18] <AlanBell> :-)
[14:18] <czajkowski> nutter
[14:18] <czajkowski> ok
[14:18] <czajkowski> :)
[14:18] <AlanBell> It popped up a thing asking who I wanted to make admins
[14:19] <AlanBell> I did the "suggest to your friends" thing a couple of times but I am not sure it did anything
[14:20] <AlanBell> maybe I need new friends
[14:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: sent 40 invitewss
[14:31] <AlanBell> thanks
[14:31] <AlanBell> wonder what I did wrong
[16:47] <maco> leann just got upload rights to the kernel!
[16:47] <nigelb> w00t, yaay! :)
[16:47] <akgraner> woot woot!!!
[16:56] <maco> leann's irc nick = ogasawara if you want to congratulate her in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:04] <pleia2> IdleOne: when the website was designed, we didn't have a logo
[17:04] <pleia2> redesign of the website wasn't a priority when we had fewer volunteers, it will be for the 10.10 cycle
[17:04] <nigelb> IdleOne, if you need help with the wiki header btw, let me know :)
[17:05] <pleia2> IdleOne: and no, there isn't really an approval queue mechanism for the wiki
[17:05] <IdleOne> nigelb: I think I got it figured out. Did you notice something I missed?
[17:05] <nigelb> IdleOne, I was just reading yday night's scroll back
[17:05] <IdleOne> pleia2: yes, I got some info from the -translators and maco was nice to point me into the right direction also
[17:05] <IdleOne> nigelb: ahh, ok :)
[17:06] <IdleOne> err -translators and #moin
[17:07] <IdleOne> so i think I am now subscribe to /Fr/* which should send me email about any changes made and pages created under /Fr
[17:10] <IdleOne> well I think I need to go out into the fresh air and take a little walk.
[17:10] <IdleOne> be back in a little while
[17:21] <issyl0> Hello
[17:22] <nigelb> heya issyl0 :)
[18:09] <pleia2> IdleOne: do you want to use http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Translators ?
[18:10] <pleia2> someone just updated her info there, so we should probably do *something* with it
[18:11] <IdleOne> pleia2: use in what sense?
[18:11] <pleia2> IdleOne: add yourself to the list, encourage others to, clean it up if there are inaccuracies
[18:11] <IdleOne> pleia2: good idea
[18:11] <IdleOne> will do that now
[18:12] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:12] <akgraner> this is so cool - and exciting :-)
[18:16] <pleia2> yeah :)
[18:25] <IdleOne> ok done and also updated /Fr/AFaire and took Translators page to work on
[18:29] <IdleOne> pleia2: I am not receiving emails from U-W wiki when changes are made :/
[18:30] <IdleOne> akgraner: I have to admit that this is really the first "real" work I have done in Ubuntu.
[18:30] <IdleOne> Don't think I could of picked a better project :)
[18:31] <akgraner> IdleOne, it's a great place to start  - that's for sure :-)
[18:31] <IdleOne> Well I mean besides being my usual sarcastic self
[18:31] <IdleOne> :P
[18:31] <akgraner> IdleOne, when you make changes you won't get emails
[18:32] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[18:32] <akgraner> however, when other people do you will :-)
[18:32] <akgraner> IdleOne, I said the same thing when I started working on wikis
[18:34]  * pleia2 has a pile of IdleOne changes stuff on the wiki emails ;)
[18:34] <nigelb> lol pleia2
[18:35] <nigelb> I wonder about dholbach
[18:35] <akgraner> well that and a lot of grumbling about "hating" them :-)  pleia2 my inbox has a lot from IdleOne as well :-)
[18:35] <pleia2> nigelb: wonder about?
[18:35] <IdleOne> I bet you do pleia2
[18:35] <nigelb> he's subscribed to *every* page
[18:35] <IdleOne> but I am learning to use the preview button :P
[18:36] <pleia2> nigelb: oh, on the wiki.u.c wiki, yeah
[18:36] <pleia2> IdleOne :)
[18:36] <nigelb> pleia2, :)
[18:36] <IdleOne> pleia2: just filter any mail from oneidle to trash hehe
[18:36] <pleia2> I'm subscribed to every page on UW, but it's not quite as large
[18:39] <IdleOne> well I hope to be getting lots of emails :)
[18:40] <IdleOne> if not means I am on my own
[18:40] <IdleOne> heh
[18:54] <IdleOne> I need a 42" monitor
[18:54] <IdleOne> s/need/want
[18:55] <jussi01> IdleOne: dont we all?
[18:57] <IdleOne> I would hope so :)
[18:58] <IdleOne> I also NEED caffeine
[18:58]  * IdleOne gets caffeine
[19:02] <pleia2> IdleOne: just use 16 virtual desktops like I do
[19:02]  * pleia2 waves to jussi01 
[19:02] <jussi01> hiya pleia2
[19:05] <maco> IdleOne: SHINY https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems?action=raw
[19:05] <IdleOne> packagingGuide?
[19:06]  * IdleOne looks before asking the next question
[19:06]  * pleia2 really needs to get up to speed with quilt
[19:06] <maco> pleia2: heh glad you asked
[19:06] <IdleOne> maco: yes that would be a good page to translate also
[19:06] <maco> pleia2: http://www.wzdftpd.net/blog/index.php?2008/02/05/3-quilt-a-patch-management-system-how-to-survive-with-many-patches
[19:07] <pleia2> maco: yeah, I have that, haven't digested :)
[19:07] <maco> IdleOne: no no look how they do translation
[19:07] <maco> IdleOne: see the include from start-english to end-english?
[19:08] <IdleOne> I don't understand what that does
[19:09] <maco> hmm i guess its too late to do that to the menu at the top of pages...
[19:09] <maco> oh and theyd link the wrong place...
[19:09] <maco> nevemrind
[19:10] <IdleOne> lol
[19:10] <IdleOne> ok
[19:10] <maco> i just thought it was neat that they were like... having a page in lots of translations then including just the translation they wanted in the actual packaging guide page
[19:14] <IdleOne> ok time for some food and t.v.
[19:16]  * jussi01 grumbles at slow torrents... 
[19:17] <jussi01> Im only getting 1.2 MiB/s...
[20:28] <pleia2> akgraner: you leading the lucid UOW -women session on awesome stuff we're doing?
[20:28] <pleia2> (seems most appropriate)
[20:28] <akgraner> pleia2, I added my name to the wiki :-)
[20:28] <pleia2> ah ok, /me should have refreshed
[20:28] <pleia2> I looked earlier :)
[20:28] <akgraner> thought since I am hounding the rest of the community it was the least I could do :-)
[20:29] <pleia2> :)
[20:29] <akgraner> hehe
[20:30] <akgraner> but anyone who wants to help once it is scheduled can join in on all the fun (hint hint hint)
[20:31]  * pleia2 avoids eye contact
[20:34] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[20:34] <akgraner> pleia2, hehe
[20:35] <akgraner> pleia2, however I will need help setting up the stuff in the Calendar that Lernid uses
[20:35] <pleia2> akgraner: sure thing
[20:35] <akgraner> as I haven't helped with an "Ubuntu Week" since Lernid has been put in place
[20:36] <pleia2> and there is classbot now too :)
[20:36] <akgraner> oh cool - gotta get up to speed on those
[20:36]  * akgraner is such a slacker
[20:36] <pleia2> hah
[20:36] <maco> hahaha yeah right
[20:37] <akgraner> :-P
[20:38] <czajkowski> akgraner: dont make me come over there and wallop you
[20:40] <akgraner> czajkowski, the door is open please feel free to visit :-)
[20:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: you do know that would such a bad idea :)
[20:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: neither of us would get any work done
[20:41] <czajkowski> akgraner: shootin' n drinkin'
[20:42] <maco> i hope not at the same time!
[20:43] <czajkowski> oh but of course at the same time!
[20:43] <czajkowski> just in from a podcast on open source in ireland and the barcamp I run over here
[20:43] <czajkowski> 3 weeks to go and only 19 spaces left to attend with 2 spots to fill :D
[20:43] <akgraner> maco, haha - nah  - shooting and driving are two things I def won't do while drinking
[20:44] <maco> czajkowski: sounds like a good way to deadin'
[20:45] <czajkowski> maco: but I've good aim :)
[22:41] <IdleOne> anybody care to explain what i18n is?
[22:42] <IdleOne> context: The Open-Source Software i18n (internationalization) world is both diverse and inclusive
[22:44] <IdleOne> ahh found it
[22:44] <AlanBell> i followed by 18 letters then n
[22:44] <IdleOne> clever
[22:44] <IdleOne> AlanBell: :)
[22:44] <AlanBell> nternationalizatio
[22:45] <AlanBell> but it has an S in it!!
[22:45] <AlanBell> internationaliSation
[22:45] <rww> obviously, they use i18n instead to keep the en_GB people quiet ;P
[22:45] <IdleOne> in your world it does :P
[22:45] <pleia2> rww: lol
[22:46] <IdleOne> i18n works for the french word also
[22:46] <IdleOne> heh
[22:46]  * IdleOne is learning so much :)
[22:46] <IdleOne> I want to go on Sesame street now and sing a song
[22:46] <IdleOne> lol
[22:47] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation/WordSubstitution
[22:47] <MichelleQ> sing, sing a song...  make it simple, to last the whole year long...
[22:47] <MichelleQ> sorry...
[22:48]  * MichelleQ wanders off
[22:49] <IdleOne> *in a sweet angel like voice* Mommy don't stop singing :)
[22:50] <rww> IdleOne: Go get some Severed Fifth, let jono sing to you! or play music. or whatever it is he does.
[22:51] <rww> apparently everything!
[22:51] <IdleOne> Severed Fifth
[22:52] <IdleOne> hmm sounds crazy enough for me to like them
[23:06] <IdleOne> cyphermox from the ubuntu-qc team asked me to add http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/AFaire to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/AFaire \o/ for collaboration between teams
[23:21] <pleia2> IdleOne: cool, thanks :)
[23:22] <IdleOne> pleia2: :)
[23:26] <IdleOne> only thing is I did not add the MenuHeader to the quebec team page because I did not want to highjack their wiki :)