[02:48] <patg_> How can I get some osx icons on my do dock? Ugly icons scare me
[02:53] <holstein> patg_: gnome-do?
[02:53] <patg_> holstein: Yes :)
[02:53] <holstein> AFAIK
[02:54] <holstein> gnome-do uses your system icons
[02:54] <holstein> SO you could try different themes
[02:54] <holstein> maybe your using a theme that has non-scalable icons
[02:55] <patg_> holstein: Defualt theme for ubuntu studio
[02:55] <holstein> karmic?
[02:56] <holstein> you could try another theme easily
[02:56] <holstein> and switch back
[02:56] <holstein> see if that is the issue
[02:56] <holstein> im not sure if the ubuntusudio icons are scalable
[02:57] <holstein> should be all kinds of icons @ http://gnome-look.org/
[02:58] <holstein> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31618
[02:58] <patg_> holstein: Can I replace them
[02:58] <patg_> Indiidually
[03:00] <holstein> hmm
[03:00] <holstein> sure
[03:00] <holstein> dont know how easy that would be though
[03:00] <holstein> ALSO
[03:00] <holstein> i prefer the AWN dock
[03:01] <patg_> holstein: Individually?
[03:01] <holstein> http://wiki.awn-project.org/
[03:01] <holstein> AWN doesnt use your system icons
[03:01] <holstein> and looks nice
[03:01] <patg_> holstein: Is it as easy as do?
[03:01] <patg_> I'm coming from osx.
[03:01] <holstein> looks more like OSX
[03:02] <holstein> and has more functionality than both -do and OSX's dock
[03:02] <holstein> it can be as easy, or easier
[03:02] <holstein> BUT you can make it do whatever
[03:02] <holstein> i havent used it in a while
[03:02] <patg_> holstein: Is it drag and drop? I thought I tried it before. And I had trouble adding things. Had to use applets or something I couldn't figure out lol
[03:02] <holstein> BUT AWN has something like stacks or whatever its called
[03:03] <holstein> OH yeah
[03:03] <holstein> i dont think so
[03:03] <holstein> BUT it has a menu you add apps with
[03:03] <holstein> and you can choose whatever icon you want
[03:03] <holstein> even a .png you make AFAIK
[03:04] <patg_> Stacks are sick. I'll give it a shot. I wish it were drag and drop though.
[03:06] <patg_> holstein: Thanks.
[03:07] <holstein> patg_: :) np
[03:07] <holstein> let me know how it goes
[03:07] <holstein> i use gnome-do
[03:07] <holstein> but not the dock
[03:08] <patg_> holstein: Will do later. Currently on my iPhone lol
[03:08] <holstein> laterz
[03:35] <Zenker> can someone tell me the formats that ubuntu will allow as background images?
[03:38] <holstein> hey Zenker
[03:38] <holstein> you mean wallpaper?
[03:38] <holstein> desktop wallpaper?
[03:38] <Zenker> yep
[03:38] <holstein> ive used jpegs and pngs
[03:39] <holstein> as far as size, you can stretch or whatever
[03:39] <holstein> might look funky though
[03:40] <Zenker> ahh, i knew of those. what im doing is trying to find a way to use a transparent background for gnome, and use the multiple background image option in compiz but still have icons drawn ...hmmm...
[03:41] <Zenker> what happens is it draws a solid color under the background. i wonder if there is a way to make that transparent
[03:43] <holstein> Zenker: COOL
[03:44] <holstein> i havenet messed with the multiple background options yet
[03:45] <holstein> i know
[03:45] <holstein> if i remove my wallpaper file from the pictures dir
[03:45] <holstein> my background truns brown
[03:45] <holstein> like thats whats going on behind it
[03:45]  * holstein shrugs
[03:46] <Zenker> yeah, the thing is for the compiz option to work u have to uncheck the draw background option, which also draws the icons, so if u do that it dosent draw the icons. . .
[03:47] <holstein> that would be a deal-breaker for me
[03:47] <holstein> i like having the USB drives show up on the desktop
[03:47] <Zenker> yep, i agree. i like the clean look myself but as u said the usb drives n others are usefull
[03:55] <Zenker> ahh i see, the transparent backgrounds work, however, for the compiz backgrounds to show u MUST disable background draw-gives background controll to compiz, so this means that the compiz backgrounds are not "under" the gnome's backgorund layers, geez. ah well
[03:56] <holstein> cool idea though
[03:58] <Zenker> but a workaround.. for this 2 work. find backgrounds u like, make pictures for icons and place those (using a pic editor) on the backgrounds then at least youll have a representation of the area of the corresponding to the icons, drawback, if the icons get moved :(
[03:58] <Zenker> i think im callin "uncle" on this one rofl
[03:58] <holstein> hehe
[03:59] <Zenker> well... i could re-write the gnome gui ...yeah right! rofl
[04:00]  * holstein puts on a pot of coffee for Zenker ... lol
[04:00] <Zenker> well have 2 see what ubuntu 10 has 2 offer when its done. hopefully they saw all the requests to seperate the icons from the backgorunds or a related suggestion
[04:01] <Zenker> have you checkout 10.4 yet?
[04:01] <holstein> im running it
[04:01] <holstein> on an EEEpc
[04:02] <holstein> got a couple installs on SD cards
[04:02] <holstein> one fresh install, and one upgrade
[04:02] <Zenker> oh, thats right, u already told me that :) did u ever get sound working?
[04:02] <holstein> AND a server install
[04:02] <holstein> running an icecast server
[04:02]  * Zenker dont know nuttin bout no servers rofl
[04:02] <holstein> Zenker: sound is fine, i still got an X crash after resmume from standby
[04:03] <holstein> i had my icecast server running on fedora
[04:03] <Zenker> what do u use a server for?
[04:03] <holstein> i was stoked to learn how to get it running in ubuntu server
[04:03] <holstein> Zenker: i use my icecast server to stream audio
[04:03] <holstein> from gigs or whatever
[04:04] <holstein> OR if im teaching someone something about theory
[04:04] <holstein> i can stream my piano to them
[04:04] <Zenker> oh cool ure a piano teacher :)) i play a little
[04:04] <holstein> cool
[04:04] <holstein> i play bass
[04:04] <holstein> upright bass
[04:05] <holstein> proffesionally
[04:05] <holstein> but i play piano to teach/learn/compose
[04:05] <holstein> just enough to be trouble ;)
[04:05] <holstein> Zenker: when are you going to upgrade to lucid?
[04:06] <holstein> i thought about doing a update-manager -d on my studio box
[04:06] <Zenker> i dl'd the iso and ran it, ,i didnt have any sound and couldnt get a connection to wireless
[04:06] <holstein> i have a laptop i like to test on first though
[04:07] <holstein> you need a restricted wireless driver?
[04:07] <holstein> broadcom or something?
[04:07] <Zenker> no its just a regular sound card umm i forget the name though
[04:07] <holstein> hmm
[04:07] <holstein> strange
[04:07] <Zenker> its onboard i have a dell laptop
[04:08] <holstein> i hope thats a bug
[04:08] <holstein> something that gets sorted out
[04:08] <Zenker> possibly, what im gonna do is install it to a flash drive so i can play with it a while, i dont have the hd space to do a 3rd os
[04:10] <Zenker> itll be cool 2 have a carry along os :) that'll really impress some of my frineds i often take my lappid over to their house to show them how 2 do stuff, when i show up with just a flash rofl
[04:11]  * Blank__ still doesnt bother with bootable usb because of incompatibility with older computers
[04:12] <Zenker> i wish i could just uninstall windows. stupid vista, but then i couldnt play some of my fav games :(
[04:12] <holstein> Blank__: i dont feel like i can haul a bootable USB stick around
[04:12] <holstein> and be prepared
[04:13] <Blank__> i could easily lug a cd or two around in my satchel thing
[04:13] <Blank__> problem is, i haven't...
[04:13] <Blank__> also another problem is that i always grab the alternate iso instead of the desktop
[04:13] <holstein> i do both, a few CD's and a USB stick
[04:13] <Zenker> idont think you can install/uninstall progs n such on a live cd.. but i guess theres a way to install it to cd ?
[04:14] <holstein> Zenker: you could roll up your own live CD
[04:14] <Zenker> maybe ill go all the way and get a portable hd w like a tb or so rofl
[04:14] <holstein> a guy in my LUG is suppose to show me how he does that soon
[04:15] <Zenker> ive herd that u can, sounds very complicated however
[04:15] <holstein> my friend says its easy
[04:15] <holstein> he does it in the CLI too
[04:15] <holstein> i was looking at remastersys
[04:16] <holstein> SUSE has an iso builder, im surprised theres not an ubuntu equivavlent
[04:18] <Zenker> what is SUSE for anyhow? i mean, how is it diff from ubuntu?
[04:19] <holstein> hmmm
[04:19] <holstein> fair question
[04:19] <holstein> i didnt find it as easy
[04:19] <holstein> personally
[04:19] <Blank__> yumm instead of apt/pkg?
[04:19] <holstein> nice distro though
[04:19] <holstein> OH yeah
[04:19]  * holstein misses apt
[04:19] <holstein> real quick
[04:20] <Blank__> i havent been able to cache rpms for opensuse, but apt-cacher works very well so thats further cemented me in debian territory
[04:20] <holstein> ubuntu repos are fast too
[04:20] <holstein> i find
[04:20] <holstein> for installing, and updating
[04:21] <Blank__> the main reason i need to cache for my entire lan is because of my internet plan
[04:21] <holstein> OH
[04:21] <Blank__> in short, i live in australia, enough said
[04:21] <holstein> a ca;
[04:21] <holstein> cap*
[04:21] <Zenker> eww ouch. i couldnt stand a slow internet connection
[04:21] <Blank__> mine is 512k/512k
[04:21] <holstein> drag
[04:22] <Blank__> we could be getting 1.5mbps for the same price though
[04:22] <Blank__> 1.5m/256k
[04:22] <holstein> and i complain about my 2meg upload ;)
[04:22] <Blank__> yep, that's the way people always are
[04:22] <holstein> hehe
[04:22] <holstein> its never fast enough
[04:22] <Zenker> i get the 3meg from charter and i still get frustrated sometimes
[04:23] <holstein> i got the 10mb from charter
[04:23] <holstein> had the 20
[04:23] <Zenker> err.. 10 meg rofl, but they say i can go all the way up 2 50 r smtin, ...at a PRICE
[04:23] <holstein> im looking for something with matching up/down
[04:23] <holstein> thats not charter
[04:23] <Blank__> i go to an adult educational facility of sorts here in aus, right, and their internet is about 75mbit down
[04:24] <Zenker> try diff dns
[04:24] <Blank__> they seem to limit single connections to 4mbit though
[04:24] <holstein> i bet thats pretty cool
[04:24] <holstein> they might throttle it
[04:24] <Blank__> yeah, i downloaded a 700MB iso in about 4 mins?
[04:24] <holstein> w00t
[04:25] <Blank__> i dont know if im going to get in trouble for grabbing isos, but hell, ive already grabbed about 3
[04:26] <holstein> they shouldnt care
[04:26] <Blank__> only problem is, they have a rather draconian proxy
[04:26] <Blank__> they block a hell of a lot of sites
[04:26] <holstein> got plenty of bandwidth to spare
[04:26] <Blank__> and in particular, specific files like the openvpn installer
[04:26] <holstein> hmmm
[04:27] <Blank__> and "file hosting sites" like megaupload/rapidshare
[04:27] <holstein> i guess some sys-admin has a reason
[04:27] <holstein> maybe when the logs are checked
[04:27] <holstein> ubuntu.com will be blocked too ;)
[04:28] <Blank__> i tried using phproxy through my server and they blocked it within 3 mins :(
[04:28] <Blank__> oh, i think ubuntu was fine
[04:28] <Blank__> i went straight to a mirror site anyway
[04:31] <Zenker> have you tried beemp3.com or torrents?
[04:31] <Blank__> nope
[04:31] <Blank__> not sure if i want to try my luck either
[04:32] <Zenker> i missed it, who did u say was blocking everything?
[04:33] <Blank__> the adult ed place i go to
[04:33] <Blank__> it's part of the whole education network
[04:34] <Zenker> ahh i see. yeah i wouldnt mess wit it either
[04:34] <Blank__> it's kinda like uni but more casual
[04:34] <Zenker> at first i ws thinking it was the government, like they do in some other places
[04:35] <Blank__> it is essentially government
[04:35] <Blank__> as in, it's part of the government's whole education system
[04:36] <Zenker> ahh but i mean like in umm i forget where, but the entire internet blocks certain sites from other countries, and they make it seriously illegal to even attempt to find a way to connect to them
[04:37] <Zenker> think it was china or japan r somewhere like that
[04:37] <Blank__> china
[04:37] <Blank__> the great firewall of china
[04:38] <Zenker> im sure at some point itll be that way everywhere, but, also im sure someone will find a way :)
[04:41] <Zenker> heay holstein, would you mind if i started a side bar with you and asked u a couple of q's about piano playing?
[04:46] <holstein> Zenker: sure
[04:47] <holstein> anytime
[19:49] <rainc> howdy. having some trouble getting jack running realtime, been sifting through forum posts
[19:50] <rainc> i'm running plain ubuntu on the realtime kernel
[19:51] <rainc> jack tells me "cannot use real-time scheduling" but i have those things set in /etc/security/limits.conf
[19:51] <rainc> rtprio, memlock, and nice
[19:52] <rainc> oh i don't have pam_limits module
[20:00] <rainc> it exists but won't load?
[20:02] <AnAnt> Hello
[20:02] <AnAnt> the ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme package is empty (except for stuff in /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme)