/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/31/#kubuntu-devel.txt

Riddellnixternal: talking of kppp   -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 607420 2010-03-27 23:19 /usr/bin/kppp00:04
RiddellI realise I'm not in dip00:04
Riddellso it's not set up for normal users00:04
nixternalheh00:04
nixternalDarkwingDuck: shit, we don't say Kubuntu 10.04 is LTS at all either00:06
DarkwingDucknixternal: Yeah... I saw that bug and my heart stopped.00:06
Riddell?00:07
nixternaloh well00:07
Riddelloh, docs00:07
nixternalRiddell: we forgot to mention in the docs that Kubuntu 10.04 is LTS00:07
Riddellit'll be in plenty other places00:07
nixternaldon't think it is important as...yeah what Riddell said00:07
DarkwingDuckBut, not all of it is... Netbook isn't an LTS00:07
nixternalwe won't release Netbook as LTS00:07
* amichair pokes Riddell00:08
nixternalKubuntu Netbook Remix. doesn't qualify for LTS until it is Kubuntu Netbook Edition00:08
macodontyou mean "since it's no longer KNE"?00:08
nixternaldoesn't really matter honestly00:09
maconixternal: pssst swearing's not allowed in devel channels either, as certain IRCC people have pointed out sometimes *eyes jussi*00:09
maconixternal: why'd they take away the E again?00:09
nixternalI don't care, as I will remove their membership of everything on LP if they even thought about doing something00:10
DarkwingDuckLOL00:10
DarkwingDucknixternal: woke up on the wrong side of the web00:10
nixternalmaco: I think because Edition made it sound stable or official or something00:10
=== dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk
nixternalnew k-d-s uploaded with the new plymouth theme...it would be great if we could get a real artist to do us something kick ass...seriously, all I am doing is inserting the image into gimp, and adding a drop shadown with no x or y variance, a shadow size of 15, white color, 80% opacity00:16
nixternalit takes me all of 30 seconds to create a new image, and I don't think that is good enough for us00:16
amichairnixternal: it's not how long it takes, it's how much love you put in :-)00:18
nixternalRiddell: did you get the OpenWeek email?00:18
nixternallol00:18
nixternal30 seconds of loving, sounds a bit much :p00:18
nixternalthat was wrong on so many levels00:19
amichairhehe00:19
RiddellI did, didn't see anything about seconds00:20
DarkwingDuckRiddell: How far do you want to take this LoCo Contacts thingie00:22
RiddellDarkwingDuck: in what respect?00:23
DarkwingDuckYou want to setup contacts or, a community within the community...00:23
RiddellDarkwingDuck: I don't follow00:24
ryanakcanixternal: What happened to kwwiii? He used to do artwork for us...00:25
Riddellhe's mostly busy on ubuntu desktop00:26
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I was thinking of just gathering a list of names for LoCo Kubuntu members but, I was thinking of going a bit deeper then that... Almost like a LoCo for Kubuntu with representatives in the LoCos. like a Kommunity Kollective00:26
ryanakcaRiddell: Ah00:26
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I just didn't know how deep you wanted to go with it.00:27
nixternalryanakca: he has been tainted with visions of aubergine00:27
RiddellDarkwingDuck: some places may want a Kubuntu loco, like Germany has, but in general we just want a contact or two in each loco for kubuntu00:27
DarkwingDuckRiddell: roger00:27
nixternalRiddell: no, the seconds was talking about the logo for plymouth with amichair :)00:28
DarkwingDuckRiddell: I'll write up a proposal.00:28
nixternalRiddell: you want to do a session? I have been asked to do a Kubuntu one, but you are the fearless leader, so I figured it would be best for you to decide00:28
RiddellTrouble: ping00:29
nixternalI think we should do a "Get involved with Kubuntu" on the first or second day, then try and do a Q&A towards the end00:29
Riddellnixternal: we could do joint sessions00:29
nixternalDarkwingDuck: it is hard to do a Kubuntu LoCo in the states...KDE isn't represented all that well here...hopefully it will get better in the future00:29
nixternalRiddell: right, like our last one, but I still would like to see us have at least 2 sessions00:29
DarkwingDucknixternal: That's what my dream is...00:30
nixternalDarkwingDuck: though, getting more US involvement has been discussed in KDE since my first @kde.org email address some 10+ years ago00:30
DarkwingDuckOh heads up... I'll be offline starting tomorrow till this weekend. I'll have my phone but, I'll be moving into my new house and I wont have internet installed till Friday.00:30
DarkwingDucknixternal: I'm determined.00:31
nixternalDarkwingDuck: thanks for the update, but I think on the doc side we are pretty much golden00:31
DarkwingDucknixternal: Not much else to do... It's all in the hands of the translators00:31
nixternalwe have CampKDE now, but it is quite difficult for me to travel so much on a voluntary basis...I definitely don't have the money to do that00:31
nixternalright now, if it isn't in Chicago, I don't go...I had to cut back00:31
DarkwingDuckI managed to go to CampKDE this year... I did a talk on Documentation. Speaking of... I need to get a hold of Jeff Mitchel and see what happened to the video of my talk00:32
Riddellrgreening: are you hacking on usb creator?00:33
nixternalRiddell: I will go ahead and send a mail to amber about openweek for us. who would you like to lead a session and what session?00:40
DarkwingDuckwhere is it?00:41
nixternalon irc00:41
DarkwingDuckWhen?00:41
nixternalMay 3 through May 700:41
DarkwingDuckahh... Ok. BBL, food00:42
nixternalwe do an open week twice a year for the community00:42
DarkwingDuckI'll try and do what I can.00:42
Riddellgroovy, DarkwingDuck can do a session on getting involved in Kubuntu00:42
Riddelloh, he went00:43
Riddellthat just means he can't refuse now00:43
nixternalhehe00:43
nixternalso we make him lead the "Getting Involved in Kubuntu" session, and then need one or two for a "Kubuntu Q&A" session00:44
Riddellanyone want to test 4.4.2 on karmic?00:44
nixternalwhat's karmic? :)00:44
Riddellwe have no karmic users left :(00:44
nixternallol00:44
nixternalRiddell: blog it?00:44
nixternalor #kubuntu00:45
Riddellhi James14700:47
James147Riddell: hey00:48
nixternalw00t, James147 you here to do some testing?00:48
James147nixternal: possibally :)00:48
nixternalwoohoo! \o/00:48
RiddellJames147: are you running karmic?00:48
nixternalwe got one, hook um up00:48
nixternalfish on! fish on!00:49
James147Riddell: currently yes00:49
RiddellJames147: what version of KDE SC?00:49
James147Riddell: 4.4.100:49
RiddellJames147: could you run system settings -> add/remove software  and install  kolf00:49
James147Riddell: will just need to finish my work first, wont take too long00:49
James147Riddell: Allready installed :p00:55
James147Riddell: needs anything else?01:01
RiddellJames147: yes now we need 4.4.201:02
RiddellJames147: actually before installing 4.4.2 try installing something else with kpackagekit01:02
Riddellumbrello say01:02
James147Riddell: opps, alread updated apt :S01:04
RiddellJames147: comment out the line in sources.list01:04
James147Riddell: want me to revert and start again?01:04
James147kk01:04
Riddellyes please01:05
James147Riddell: heh, have that as well, should i just install any kde package i dont already have?01:06
Riddellyeah anything01:06
nixternalRiddell: you want to do a Q&A together like we did last time?01:09
nixternalI am talking to Amber Graner now01:09
nixternalRiddell: are we going to have DarkwingDuck do the "Getting Involved in Kubuntu"?01:09
nixternaland if anyone finds any commits of mine that I did that were Qt/C++ related, please let me know01:10
nixternalnever thought about having something like that handy for a job01:10
nixternalI always depended on my good looks01:10
nixternalcrimsun: thanks for putting me in touch with Curtis...that job seems a bit advanced with the whole multimedia thing, but don't see it being terribly difficult overall...they have Ben Collins, and that scares me :) as long as him and I aren't in the same area together, the neighborhood will be safe01:11
James147Riddell: kk done  (kiten)... dam i have alot of kde stuff :S01:12
James147Riddell: update with the edit you gave me?01:13
RiddellJames147: yes please01:13
Riddellnixternal: yes that sounds good (DarkwingDuck for getting involved and you and me for Q&A)01:14
nixternalroger that01:14
macoGuest63291: what happened to your nick, seele?01:38
nixternalshe didn't auth in 30 seconds after connecting, so freenode sets your nick to GuesXXXXX01:40
nixternalGuestXXXXX01:40
nixternalRiddell: OpenWeek set. I will update you when I know more01:41
James147Riddell: Done, restarting kdm now...01:41
James147Riddell: Done... nothing has crashed yet :) quasel reports kde 4.4.201:44
Riddellgroovy01:44
RiddellJames147: ok try loading kpackagekit again and installing something else01:45
nixternalhttps://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTk2NTE4ODk   <- sign up for dropbox now!!! hook me up with 10GB of free storage :)01:45
* James147 looks for something else to install01:46
sithlord48i have a QDataStream out (&file) on save but when i output my quint16 its outputs the bytes backwards, can i change to LittleEndian on the fly ? if so is out.LittleEndian<<quint16 ; correct ?01:47
Riddellsithlord48: might be better to ask on #kde-devel or a qt channel01:48
nixternalsithlord48: out>>(quit16)?01:49
nixternali had a similar issue on an app about 2 years ago...can't remember what i did, and i can't remember the app01:49
sithlord48nexternal, yes.. quint16 is the var type01:49
nixternali know i patched it in svn01:49
sithlord48humm01:50
James147Riddell: installed kdenlive work as it always does :)01:51
RiddellJames147: did it ask for your password?01:51
nixternaluse the reference of quint16?01:51
James147Riddell: huh... I don't know... dont even think about entering it anymore when useing kpackagekit :S01:51
sithlord48just got word on the qt it a maformed line01:52
James147Riddell: Tryed something else... and it dident01:52
James147Riddell: nor removal01:53
Tm_TI really wish there were more powerpc build hosts ...01:53
* nixternal has a powerpc box01:54
Tm_Tnixternal: donate it to canonical so I can get KDE packages faster (;01:54
RiddellJames147: if you log out does KDM restart?01:54
James147Riddell: brb01:54
nixternalTm_T: I have donated enough01:54
nixternalI think I will eat my left over pizza from last night :)01:55
Tm_Tnixternal: (:01:56
James147Riddell: Yes, (clicking on restart x in KDM, Alt+print screen+k and via sudo service kdm restart <-all work)01:57
James147Riddell: as well as it starting normally :)01:58
RiddellJames147: groovy, I think that's all, thanks for testing01:58
apacheloggerQuintasan: biology is fun :D01:58
James147Riddell: Your welcome01:58
apacheloggerRiddell: pong01:58
apacheloggerRiddell: re l10n, gotta check if I can find my gpg key on some harddisk here01:59
Riddellapachelogger: l10n was the issue01:59
seelemaco: ?01:59
macoseele: Guest isnt you? confusing. quassel thinks it is02:00
seeleprobably logged in another location?02:00
apacheloggerRiddell: ok, looking into that right now02:01
apacheloggerif I cant find my key, I'll fix up the branch and someone will have to run the script magic :)02:01
macoseele: *shrug* there's a Guest63291 in my PMs list and i clicked it and it has past chat history with you in it so i guess at some point you got that name and now its confused02:02
* Riddell copies 4.4.2 to karmic backports02:06
seelebecause i'm logged in another location?02:08
seelethat's just the nick name it defaulted to when i released the nickname02:08
ScottKmaco: I'm not active in any loco team.02:11
apacheloggeroh my02:11
* apachelogger is spreading lies in saying that kubuntu is not ubuntu02:11
apacheloggeroh my oh my02:12
* apachelogger should go to chakra :P02:12
ScottKRiddell: Did you get a chance to see why -workspace failed?02:12
yofelhm, kcm-phonon-xine isn't required anymore? (aptitude just wanted to remove it here)02:13
Tm_Tyofel: I think you like to have it02:14
RiddellScottK: not looked at it I'm afraid02:14
lex79ScottK: because kdelibs wasn't yet built, just retry workspace I think02:15
yofelTm_T: yes, but phonon-backend-xine only suggests it now... (4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1)02:15
Tm_Thmmm, weird02:16
Riddell4.4.2 copied to kubuntu-ppa/backports, I think I'll wait until tomorrow to put on kubuntu.org, see if anyone complains overnight about anything and give lucid a chance to compile02:17
lex79retry please: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/159132102:17
lex79https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/159132302:17
* Riddell tries02:18
* Riddell falls asleep on his keyboard02:19
jjessegood night Riddell02:19
apacheloggeroh shoot02:20
apacheloggerRiddell: still around?02:20
apacheloggermeh02:20
apacheloggerScottK: ping02:20
apacheloggerlex79: ping02:20
lex79pong02:20
Tm_Tapachelogger: son, you should be sleeping by now02:20
apacheloggerlex79: you are in the ftpubuntu keyring on ktown, rihgt?02:21
lex79apachelogger: yep02:21
apacheloggerlex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+sshkeys please add the second key02:21
* apachelogger onlyfound his gpg key but no ssh key in sight :)02:21
lex79ok02:21
apacheloggerTm_T: my sleepness is all messed up02:21
=== dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates
apacheloggerI went to bed at 6 and got up at 102:21
lex79apachelogger: done, try02:22
yofelTm_T: ok, seems to be a fix for #51091402:23
apacheloggerlex79: works, thanks :)02:23
lex79no problem02:23
macohahahaha https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166071 read the last comment02:40
ubottuKDE bug 166071 in general "Half the words in KTouch are not real words, are incomplete, or are misspelled" [Normal,New]02:41
macoScottK: dont let your daughters use ktouch? ^02:41
lex79ScottK: you should add kubuntu_110_fix_appswitch.diff to workspace and reupload, it ftbs, forget to run bzr add. It's in series but not in patches/02:42
DarkwingDuckHoly what? 109 updates?02:52
DarkwingDuckSomeone has been busy :P02:52
Tm_TDarkwingDuck: KDE 4.4.2 and lots of GNOME stuff02:53
Tm_Thmm, new GNOME too it seems02:53
DarkwingDuckah02:53
nixternalmaco: my daughter said she saw jackass in ktouch about 3 years ago, I thought she was full of it02:58
nixternalso it wasn't me who taught her how to swear \o/ now to get my x-wife to read that bug report!02:58
macoahahahaha02:58
nixternalshe would say "well you work on that stuff, you probably did that"02:59
macoyep02:59
nixternalred hat employees can be a pita sometimes :)02:59
macoits just pulling from the dictionary file though, i think02:59
macoand not accounting for the null byte at the end of a string when reading them in02:59
macohence losing the last char02:59
crimsunnixternal: np, hope things work out regardless03:00
nixternaloh damn...either go see Phish in concert or the Blackhawks game...what to do03:01
nixternalkubotu np03:02
kubotunixternal is listening to "The Enemy (Album Version)" by Roadrunner United [The All Star Sessions] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more03:02
Tm_Tkubotu np03:03
kubotuTm_T listened to "Black Country Woman" by Led Zeppelin [Physical Graffiti, 2005] 9 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Tm_T for more03:03
nigelbnice feature :)03:03
Tm_Tkubotu: identica03:04
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help identica'03:04
jjessewow if i did a now playing it would be empty, i hardly ever listen to music, mostly have crappy tv on in the background03:04
maco:-O03:06
macooooh03:06
macokubotu: np03:06
kubotumaco hasn't played anything recently03:06
macotrue, but it probably doesnt know my nick either03:06
macohow do you teach it who you are?03:06
Tm_Tkubotu: identica dent While waiting for KDE 4.4.2 packages to get ready, !kubuntu team plays with kubotu03:06
kubotustatus updated03:06
macokubotu: help identica03:07
kubotuidentica status [nick] => show nick's (or your) status, use 'identica friends status [nick]' to also show the friends' timeline | identica dent [status] => updates your status on identi.ca | identica identify [username] [password] => ties your nick to your identi.ca username and password | identica actions [on|off] => enable/disable denting of actions (/me does ...)03:07
nigelbTm_T, it updates your status?03:07
Tm_Tnigelb: it did, yes, immediately03:07
nigelbwow, cool.03:07
Tm_Tisn't it03:07
macokubotu: identica dent Playing with kubotu03:08
kubotustatus updated03:08
* maco goes to look03:08
macoshiny!03:09
crimsunerr, is that passwd sent in cleartext?03:09
macocrimsun: stop making me scared :(03:09
Tm_Tcrimsun: to bot or from bot to identi.ca ?03:10
crimsunTm_T: the latter03:10
Tm_TI think the latter cannot be plaintext03:10
nigelbmaco, lol, whether you want to be scared is your choice :D03:11
nigelbsecurity is afterall an illusion03:11
macoTm_T: identica has http or https options i thought03:11
nixternalDarkwingDuck: you need to open up the commenting on your blog...that login to reply crap has to go...setup akismet and bad behaviour plugins for wordpress and you really don't have to worry about spam03:13
Tm_Tmaco: hmm, I'm not sure if the login goes http03:13
nixternalI just got my first spam comment today as a matter of fact, after running my current blog for more than 4 years03:13
Tm_Tnixternal: heh, my blog has ... a much of spam already, glad there's tools for that03:13
macoTm_T: gwibber can send to identica httpp03:13
maco*http03:13
Tm_Thmm03:14
nigelbmy blog has some 68 spam comments already :(03:14
apacheloggersomtimes I am suprprised by my own awesomeness03:15
Tm_TI noticed we don't have kubuntu group in identi.ca03:15
Tm_Tapachelogger: you've been in front of the mirror again?03:16
apacheloggerno03:16
apacheloggerinside it!03:16
DarkwingDucknixternal: Thanks for the heads up03:17
apacheloggermost weird thing ... I am always inside the mirror03:17
apacheloggerdont ask me how that works03:17
DarkwingDucknixternal: 2 night and 135 spam links03:17
nigelbDarkwingDuck, no askimet?03:18
DarkwingDuckhave not used wordpress before03:18
DarkwingDuckJust startting this blogging thing03:18
apacheloggeroh my, still 49 packages to go :(03:18
nixternalDarkwingDuck: akismet and bad behavior for the win03:18
apacheloggersvn is so slow it is not even funny03:18
nixternaldon't put a stupid captcha, 1) they are annoying, and 2) they can be bypassed03:18
DarkwingDuckwordpress api key?03:20
apacheloggerthe are not acessibile either03:20
apacheloggerwhich is much worse03:20
apacheloggersome of my friends cant use captchas at all03:20
nixternal“Moving everything to the left opens up the space on the right nicely, and I would like to experiment in 10.10 with some innovative options there.”  <- I do not get this. I mean, when they (the buttons) were over on the right, wasn't there open space on the left?03:21
nixternalDarkwingDuck: you have to apply for an api key...ie. give them your website url and email address, and they give you one :)03:22
apacheloggernixternal: no03:22
apacheloggernixternal: there was a menu03:22
apacheloggerunless you are not in US, then chances are there was no menu :P03:22
apacheloggerbut who cares about those cases anyway :P03:22
DarkwingDucknixternal: got one.03:23
DarkwingDuckbad behavior, you can add that as a plugin?03:23
nixternalwhat kind of menu apachelogger? surely it wasn't a menu of options, that is anti-gnome03:23
nixternalDarkwingDuck: yes03:23
apacheloggerno03:23
apacheloggera menu to QUIT!03:23
apacheloggeryou see, window decroations have horribley HCI03:23
apacheloggerso thy must have a menubar with one entry03:24
apacheloggersaying "File"03:24
apacheloggerand that must contain one entry03:24
apacheloggersaying "Close"03:24
nixternalremove that menu, they obviously did it while moving stuff to the left03:25
apacheloggeromg!03:25
apacheloggerwell03:25
nixternalhttp://www.design-by-izo.com/2010/03/29/workflow-and-upload-two-new-button-concepts-for-lucid/  <- I like his upload button idea honestly03:25
apacheloggertrend is to go the google way03:25
apacheloggerreduce the chrome03:25
apachelogger!03:25
nixternalwell, my google apps contain reduced chrome, and guess what? buttons where they are most natural except for those who sit at starbucks and try to act cool03:26
nixternali don't use gnome much, but now when i try lucid, the usability from my point of view, or better yet opinion is, it sucks03:27
apacheloggeroh03:27
DarkwingDuckAlrighty fixed.03:27
apacheloggernixternal: that blog post exhibits exactly what I said :P03:28
apacheloggerdown with the chrome03:28
macoTm_T: im pretty sure there's a kubuntu group on identi.ca...03:28
* apachelogger finds that a bad idea though03:28
nixternalwhy?03:28
apacheloggerif you stuff everything form the menu into mysterious buttons in the window deco its not getting any more usable03:28
nixternaloh, gotcha03:29
apacheloggerindeed I would think it reduces usability03:29
nixternalI agree03:29
macosounds like extra clicks to me03:29
apacheloggerthere is no natural paradigm backing up window decroations I suppose03:29
DarkwingDuckI like the buttons on windows in Netbook03:29
apacheloggerI am not exactly interacting with the window frames here ;)03:29
nixternali don't use buttons03:29
apacheloggerat best the get a cleaning03:29
apacheloggerbut that is about the only time I ever touch them ;)03:30
DarkwingDuckAlt-F4 works good03:30
nixternalhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/kubuntu-gets-updated-splash-screen-to.html03:30
nixternalwoohoo!!!! Riddell ^^03:30
nixternalread the comments03:30
nixternalthey love it!03:31
nixternaldown with nvidia users!03:31
apacheloggernvidia--03:31
apacheloggerapachelogger++03:31
=== rgreening_ is now known as rgreening
DarkwingDucknixternal: Still nada03:31
* apachelogger is already at indian l10n03:32
apacheloggeronly 33 to go03:32
apachelogger"only"03:32
apacheloggerif it wasnt for svn I would be done alread :(03:33
rgreeninggo-go gadget l10n03:33
apacheloggerkubotu: order coffee03:33
* kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.03:33
DarkwingDucklol Bertal King. "This is simply beautiful. I hope Kubuntu's website gets similar treatment."03:33
apacheloggerrgreening: ^^03:33
rgreening:)03:33
DarkwingDuckWho is doing the design on the website?03:33
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: I suppose we should take content out of the website ;)03:33
apacheloggerlike03:33
apacheloggerall of it03:33
apacheloggerin fact we could just use the splash image03:34
rgreeninghaha03:34
DarkwingDuckLOL03:34
apacheloggermake the logo clickabale03:34
rgreeningand have it vnc to a live image03:34
DarkwingDuckapachelogger ++03:34
rgreening:)03:34
apacheloggeropen up a high res pic of nixternal03:34
rgreeninglol03:34
rgreeningnoooooooos03:34
apacheloggeror start download03:34
DarkwingDuckWith the bike helmet??03:34
apacheloggeror maybe half the time show nixternal and the other start a download03:34
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: of course03:34
apacheloggerthe dictator got his space helmet anx nixternal got his bike helmet03:35
DarkwingDuckThat's almost too low. But really, who does the website?03:35
apacheloggerthat said ... building up on my idea from yesterday ... ubuntu should have the dictator flying in a rocket across the boot screen ... and we should have nixternal on his bike :D03:35
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: ryanakca03:35
DarkwingDuckkk03:36
nixternalyou guys are asses03:36
* apachelogger huggles nixternal03:36
nixternalthough, I think the 404 page should be me no doubt03:36
DarkwingDucknixternal ++03:36
apachelogger404 is the most visited probalby03:36
nixternalhave it say: "D'OH! YOU F*$KED UP! JUST LIKE THIS GUY ->"   (picture of me)03:36
apachelogger^^03:37
DarkwingDuckLOL03:37
rgreeningnixternal: how do you get the plymouth to run without rebooting (i.e. so I can test it out now)03:37
nixternal#!/bin/bash03:38
nixternalsudo plymouthd --debug --debug-file=/tmp/plymouth-debug-out ; \03:38
nixternal    sudo plymouth --show-splash ; \03:38
nixternal    for ((I=0;I<10;I++)); do \03:38
nixternal        sleep 1 ; \03:38
nixternal        sudo plymouth --update=event$I ; \03:38
nixternal    done;03:38
nixternalsudo plymouth quit03:38
nixternalrgreening: put that in a script03:38
nixternalyou can remove the debug stuff03:38
rgreeningcool03:38
nixternalthat will show it for 10 seconds, increase I<$$ of course for more time03:39
DarkwingDucknixternal: pull out the debug line03:39
* apachelogger thinks that doesnt actually do debugging but nixternal just added it so that it looks fancy03:41
nixternalrgreening: if you hack on it, make sure you do so without having anything open, because it is so easy to make a stupid mistake in the plymouth script, and when you run a fubarred script, time to reboot, or at least restart kdm03:41
macohrmph it ran two of 'em in 2 windows, then i removed the debug line, and now when i run it it doesnt do anything03:42
nixternalapachelogger: fancy would have been:      run_plymouth() { .... }  run_plymouth; exit 003:42
apacheloggerOH WHY03:42
apacheloggeryou know03:42
apacheloggerI just came to think03:42
apacheloggersince this setup is brand new03:42
apacheloggerand I did not yet do deb packaging03:42
apacheloggerchances are debmail env var is not set03:42
apacheloggerso it is more than likely that every l10n packaged now contains <me@logos> for an email addy03:43
nixternalunset GPG_AGENT_INFO03:43
nixternalexport GPGKEY=D8C4473803:43
nixternalexport DEBEMAIL=nixternal@ubuntu.com03:43
nixternalapachelogger: ^^ a must in your ~/.zshrc03:43
* apachelogger sighs and writes script to fix hickup of the script03:43
apacheloggernixternal: well, what use would it have if you neither have gpg key nor intention to do packaging :P03:44
apacheloggerI say it is all jr's fault anyway :P03:44
nixternalhehe03:44
macohuh? how's it jr's fault?03:44
apacheloggercause he wanted to upload today03:46
apacheloggerhad he waited until next week I would have had a properly setup system03:46
nixternalhehe03:46
apacheloggerbut no, we must always rush ahead and upload in time for release :P03:46
* rgreening thinks apachelogger needs a glass of wine instead of coffee03:49
apacheloggeroh03:50
apacheloggerah03:50
apachelogger=D03:50
apacheloggerahahahaha03:50
apacheloggerman I am superior it is unbelivable03:50
apacheloggerwell03:51
apacheloggeralmost03:51
* rgreening bows to the aswesomeness that it apachelogger03:51
apacheloggeraddy is alright03:51
* nixternal moons apachelogger 03:51
apacheloggerthanks to the mighty branch magic03:51
apacheloggerBUT03:51
apacheloggertime stamp is slightly off03:51
nixternalliterally03:51
nixternalcome on, i updated all of the l10n packages in like 10 minutes03:51
rgreeninghaha03:52
apacheloggernono03:52
apacheloggeryou think you do03:52
rgreeningmy fingers hurt from guitar lessons...03:52
nixternalyesyes03:52
nixternalrgreening: I have been playing my guitar a bit lately as well03:52
nixternalI found out, I SUCK!03:52
apacheloggerthere is this thing called svn03:52
* rgreening needs an implant for instant guitar a la neuromancer03:53
apacheloggerand svn in it's unbelivable madness of continuing the madness that is cvs, does file-by-file transfers03:53
rgreeningnixternal: I just started lernin. 1 lesson so far.03:53
apacheloggermaking our exports of desktop file pos so incredibly slow...03:53
rgreeningand lots of F# ow.. Bm ow..03:54
nixternalrgreening: I have kind of played since I was 403:54
nixternalI suck03:54
rgreeninghah. I am less than suck at this point03:54
nixternalI haven't played really in probably 10 years...since that navy...I totally forgot how to play03:55
nixternalit definitely isn't like riding a bike03:55
apachelogger  sed -i "s/Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:40:38 +0100/Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:52:10 +0200/g" debian/changelog03:55
nixternaland I used to play in a blues band when I was in high school03:55
rgreeningheh03:56
nixternalapachelogger: ummm, why?03:56
nixternaldch -m03:56
nixternalthat just updates the timestamp03:56
apacheloggerSPEED03:57
apacheloggerthat is like you would not want to use cpp when you can just as well use c :P03:57
nixternalkubotu np04:01
kubotunixternal is listening to "Toxic Garbage Island" by Gojira [The Way Of All Flesh] [http://open.spotify.com/track/5e0OSsSpWpQ2kS7Z9CGLDu] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/nixternal for more04:01
nixternalanyone else having problems posting from choqok to identi.ca?04:04
nixternali swear, identi.ca gives me a head ache04:04
maconixternal: nope04:04
nixternalI get a stupid error message when trying to reply, oh well04:04
ScottKlex79: Thanks.04:06
ScottKDamn bzr add.04:06
nixternalhrmm, seems it only happens with one person, and an arch person at that :)04:06
nixternaloh well, he gets no replies from me04:06
lex79ScottK: no problem04:06
ScottKnixternal: You needed a guitar to find out you suck?04:11
nixternalawww, thanks hun04:11
nixternalsometimes I wonder why I don't just jump out of the sears tower04:11
nixternalthe abuse I tell ya04:11
ScottKPlease don't, we need to keep the docs up to date.04:12
nixternalyeah right, nobody really cares about docs04:14
nixternalplus I am hoping that darkwingduck steps up and takes documentation...need to do something to utilize my brain04:14
ScottKHonestly the way we got the plymouth theme done was pretty cool.04:15
ScottKFWIW, one reason you can't jump out of the Sears Tower is that's not it's name anymore.  You're too late.04:15
ScottKlex79: Did you figure out what went wrong with ia64 in the last qt4-x11 upload?04:17
nixternalit is the sears tower, only dummies call it the willis tower04:17
nixternalthey have to wash spray paint off their sign every day from people crossing it out and putting sears on it04:18
ScottK;-)04:19
lex79ScottK: no :(04:20
ScottKlex79: See if you can get doko to take a look at it, since he fixed a related GCC bug since the last upload.04:20
lex79oh, maybe we should drop his patch from qt since he fixed the bug also in GCC04:21
lex79I can talk to him tomorrow04:21
ScottKThanks.04:23
ScottKJontheEchidna: FWIW, I find the interpretation of what abstaining from a vote means at the DMB to be totally bizarre.  I think they should have given it to you.04:44
JontheEchidnaYeah, well, at least something should get done one way or the other, in theory. As long as I can upload, I'm happy.04:44
ScottKNCommander: Need help: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegraphics/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1591243/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdegraphics_4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz04:47
NCommanderScottK: ugh :-/04:47
ScottKNote: That built on other archs.04:47
NCommanderWTF04:48
NCommanderThat's a lamont bug04:48
ScottKWould you please talk to him about it.04:50
nixternalhttp://asset.soup.io/asset/0754/5221_4c47.gif :(05:00
nixternaldamn wrong channel05:01
ScottKGrumble.  No one uploaded kdebase.05:01
* ScottK is doing it.05:01
nixternalfyi, that gif is very disturbing05:02
ScottKYeah.05:08
ScottKOK, kdebase uploaded too.05:14
AzureDragonHey I'm just installing the Kubuntu Beta. I have to say guys, very nice installer. =D05:18
ScottKshtylman: ^^^05:21
shtylman:)05:21
Mamarokwhy does apt-get want to remove kde-full, kdeedu and parley? Or is the 4.4.2 build not finished?07:50
Tm_TMamarok: not finished07:56
MamarokOK, that's what I guessed :)07:56
* Tm_T keeps staring https://edge.launchpad.net/builders07:56
falehi08:56
jussi01ooh... 4.4.2 is here :)09:48
Tm_Tno, it's there! /me points a corner behind the couch09:51
jussi01You know what would be awesome?  If we could somehow grab and compile into a list the changelog from every program in kde4.4.2 - from 4.4.1 to 4.4.2 or any arbitrary version diff.09:52
jussi01so you could simply and easily read throgh what the changes are09:52
Tm_Tjussi01: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4.2.php09:53
Tm_Tjussi01: I think there's links to commit diff09:53
jussi01Tm_T: that still doesnt give what Im after09:53
Tm_Tjussi01: actually here: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_4_1to4_4_2.php09:53
jussi01oooh09:54
jussi01thats exactly it09:54
jussi01:D09:54
jussi01now if we could just get that for 4.3.4 (or whatever is in karmic) > 4.4.2 (or whatever is the lucid version going to be) and link to it from our release notes...09:56
Tm_Tjussi01: combine from earlier lists09:56
Tm_TI don't think there's much easier way unfortunately09:57
jussi01Tm_T: how are those reports garnered though?09:57
jussi01Im guessing someone has a script we can borrow09:57
Tm_Tjussi01: devels add their items to the list, and then it's generated09:57
jussi01hrr09:58
Tm_Tso you need all the lists from 4.3.x to new one and then generate09:58
jussi01yeah, in anycase, its probably worth the effort, no?09:58
jussi01I mean, how many times do we get "what has changed since karmic" questions, and the release notes arent good enough.09:59
Tm_Tyes, or cherrypicking, but most important is the changelog from 4.3 to 4.4.0 ...as there's the new features09:59
* jussi01 wonders if there is someway to pull the svn commit messages or so? or something else useful09:59
Tm_Tjussi01: ...there's quite many commits (:10:00
Tm_Tjussi01: but is possible, if you really really want to, I guess10:00
jussi01yeah, thats true I guess :P10:00
jussi01what was the original version in karmic?10:01
Tm_Tand big majority are uninteresting10:01
Tm_T4.3.2 I guess10:01
jussi01!info kdebase10:01
ubottukdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 67 kB, installed size 124 kB10:01
jussi01looks that way10:01
apacheloggerRiddell: the common l10n branch seems to be working like a charm :D10:50
apacheloggersv FTBFS though10:50
amichairRiddell: pretty please? :-)      [bug #545927]11:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545927 in software-properties "Can not open the Edit Software Sources window from KPackageKit " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54592711:01
Riddellamichair: yes today I promis11:24
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, I would still aim for liberation by default for 10.1011:29
Riddellyou'll have nixternal to battle ith11:32
apacheloggerbut we already know the winner... he's got a bike helmet :(11:34
ghostcubeo/12:13
Riddellkubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.212:14
Riddellapachelogger: kde-l10n-cavalencia should be kde-l10n-ca-valencia12:22
apacheloggergoodness12:32
Quintasan\o12:32
apacheloggerRiddell: fixing12:32
Tm_TRiddell: I spammed the release url forward12:33
Mamarokhm, is it normal that it tries to remove a lot of metapackages, like kubuntu-desktop, kde-full, etc ?12:35
Mamarokand it wants to remove konqueror, not good12:35
Tm_TMamarok: only if not all packages being built yet12:37
Mamarokwell, then apparently half is not built, I get this: http://pastebin.com/74qpaZd512:37
Tm_Tyes12:37
Tm_Tespecially kdebase is still WIP12:38
Mamarokwell, then why publish a release when it's not finished?12:38
apacheloggerRiddell: Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refusedr12:40
apacheloggergotta run, I'll be back in 2 hours or so12:40
Tm_TMamarok: some platforms are done IIRC12:42
Mamarokwell, Lucid 64 bit isn't12:42
Tm_Tamd or ia?12:42
Tm_TMamarok: btw to see what is currently being built, https://edge.launchpad.net/builders12:43
* Mamarok would publish only if all is finished12:43
Mamarokwow, 11 hours to go? that sucks12:44
Tm_TMamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4.2 says "Users of the Lucid development release can upgrade to the newest packages (some packages are still compiling)."12:44
Mamarokis something worng with the build servers? Usually it's not that slow12:44
MamarokI'm not going to upgrade to something that will remove 20 packages, certainly not12:45
Tm_TMamarok: both KDE and GNOME upgrades being built today12:45
Tm_Tso there's a lot of packages moving aroun12:45
Mamarokcan we kick Gnome out and put KDE on top of the priority list, pretty please?12:45
Tm_Thaha12:45
Riddelland launchpad just went down so not much we can do for anything12:47
Quintasanurgh, I think I'm not even halfway done with KOffice12:48
Mamarokbrilliant coordination...12:58
Mamarokare the Launchpad people aware that there are build jobs scheduled for today? They announced their maintainance 5 days ago12:59
Tm_TMamarok: there's build jobs scheduled to every day for that matter13:00
MamarokTm_T: well, certainly not a complete KDE build13:01
Tm_Theh, it began yesterday13:01
Tm_Tjust like GNOME13:02
Tm_Tanyway13:02
Mamarokwell, the Launchpad service downtime comes at a very bad moment, couldn't this be coordinated better?13:02
Tm_Tsure13:03
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debfxit could certainly be much worse, if you look at debian where no new packages are being processed since last thursday13:11
QuintasanDAMN IT13:12
QuintasanKonsole crashed13:13
Quintasan>_<13:13
rgreeningnixternal: the prob with nvidia is that the proprietary drivers use 16 colors on boot (Scott blogged on thi srecently). So this plymouth boot splash will likely need to be a 16 color image to look reasonable across the board. Not sure how this will make the logo look overall.13:38
agateauRiddell: maco: ping, I have a problem with amarok package13:58
agateau"dpkg-source -x" says it's applying my patches13:59
agateaubut it's not13:59
agateausilly binary13:59
Riddellagateau: possibly our fault, let me look14:02
* Tm_T huggles agateau14:03
agateauTm_T: huggle?14:03
agateaudon't know what it is, hope it's not too painful14:03
Tm_Thug14:04
agateauah ok, I am safe then :)14:04
* agateau hugs back14:04
QuintasanRiddell: http://pastebin.com/8KYB0Kij <-- any ideas?14:05
ScottKMamarok: It's the day before the Beta 2 freeze, so there's a LOT of stuff getting uploaded.  Nothing wrong with the builders, just lots of uploads.14:05
RiddellQuintasan: "couldn't find library libkomain.so.6 " where is that library?14:07
QuintasanRiddell: nowhere in build directory14:11
RiddellQuintasan: find debian/tmp -name libkomain*   doesn't find anything?14:12
ScottKRiddell: It looks like things are held up due to kdebindings being in binary New.14:19
RiddellI accepted that this morning didn't I?14:20
Riddellwell, can't tell if it got accepted or no since launchpad is down14:20
ScottKNot according to Launchpad.14:20
ScottKIt's up read only now.14:20
Riddellcan't accept it until it's back up14:20
Riddellqueue command doesn't want to work14:20
ScottKLovely.14:20
ScottKOh well, it's not like the builders are sitting idle in the meantime.14:21
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QuintasanRiddell: exacly nothing14:27
Quintasanoh wait14:27
Quintasanmisspelled here14:27
Quintasandebian/tmp/usr/lib/libkomain.so and debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkomain.so.{6,6.0.0}14:28
neversfeldeblogilo is pulled in, when upgrading to 4.4.2 on lucid. Is this wanted or an accident?14:37
Tm_Tneversfelde: if you have kdepim metapackage installed, then it's wanted, I'd say14:38
neversfeldeit's not installed14:38
Tm_Tneversfelde: what depends on it?14:39
Tm_Tor recommends14:39
ScottKneversfelde: On netbook it's intended.14:40
agateauRiddell: maco: more on the Amarok bug:14:40
ScottKIt's a new recommends for kubuntu-netbook14:40
neversfeldeScottK: ok, it is netbook edition14:40
ScottKPlanned.  Blame apachelogger.14:40
* neversfelde likes it :)14:40
agateauthe ksni patches are reverted by debian-changes-2:2.3.0-0ubuntu214:40
macoagateau: thats a "someone screwed up with source package 3.0" issue then, i think14:41
macoand i did 0ubuntu1, so it wasn't me14:41
agateaumaco: sounds like it :)14:42
* maco looks at Riddell14:42
* agateau looks in the direction maco looks14:42
Riddellthis source format 3.0 stuff is fiddly14:44
QuintasanRiddell: those libs are in debian/tmp/usr/lib14:44
RiddellQuintasan: so work out what package they should go in and add to the .install files14:45
Riddellagateau: can't upload just now though, launchpad down14:45
agateauRiddell: no problem14:45
agateauRiddell: can I reassign lp bug 541920 to you (when launchpad is back?)14:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 541920 in amarok "No icon for Amarok in indicator-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54192014:47
* ScottK thinks he heard maco volunteer for it.14:50
macoi think i'm trying to make other software go right now14:50
macowhere do icons live again?14:50
Riddellagateau: sure14:50
Riddellmaco: /usr/share/icons/oxygen14:51
macothanks14:51
Riddellagateau: about moving the indictor applet, we have a script to do plasma upgrades14:54
Riddell/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/01-kubuntu-10.04.js14:55
Riddellagateau: I think that just needs fixed14:55
agateauRiddell: apachelogger thought it could not be fixed in the js, iirc14:55
agateauRiddell: but I did not look at the js file, reading it right now14:56
ScottKRiddell: Launchpad is claiming to be back up now.14:58
Riddellawooga15:00
Riddellnow I hope I can remember all the half started tasks i had15:00
Riddellapachelogger: are you going to do karmic backports of kde-l10n?15:06
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Riddellglatzor!15:34
nixternalrgreening: at 16 color, we need a solid background and a solid, no glow, logo...already did that yesterday15:39
nixternalit sucks really bad15:39
Quintasanvirtual destructors? WTF15:49
Quintasanthis is getting more and more crazy15:49
Quintasanapachelogger: I'm starting to like that polymorphism thingy :D15:56
apacheloggeragateau: IMHO the only way of doing it is run the sed command in the script AND then somehow (qdbus?) trigger a reload of plasma config15:58
apacheloggeror something like that15:58
apacheloggeragateau: even more scary then the sed on itself considering that the reload is non-blocking so this might not work if reload is not done before script continues15:59
agateauapachelogger: wow15:59
apacheloggerRiddell: how did you do them before? because currently we'd need a new branch with packaging for karmic ... the lucid version uses source format 3 for obvious reasons15:59
agateauapachelogger: a simple sed could be enough, but it has to happen at the right time15:59
Riddellapachelogger: I ran dch -i and added a karmic version, I didn't use source format 3 for that reason16:00
apacheloggeragateau: right in that context probably means before plasma loads its config and I would say that this happens before the javascripts get executed at any rate16:00
apacheloggeragateau: how does upstream handle renamings of widgets?16:00
agateauapachelogger: afaik it does not16:01
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I'll poke into that matter in a bit16:01
agateauapachelogger: I sent a huge kconf_update patch on k-c-d16:01
agateauapachelogger: which would allow us to do the rename16:01
agateaubut it's... huge16:01
apacheloggeragateau: would adding the old desktop file help?16:01
apacheloggerlike have it Hidden=true and load the new libs et al16:02
apacheloggerhopefully former ensures it does not get shown in the plasmoid explorer and latter makes it work ... then we can process it like all other widgets16:02
apacheloggerQuintasan: polymorphism is key! :D16:03
agateauapachelogger: I don't know plasma enough to tell you :/16:03
apacheloggeragateau: well, just give it a try :P16:03
agateaummm16:03
agateauneed to install karmic somewhere16:03
* apachelogger notes that his coffee looks like guinness for some reason ^^16:03
apacheloggeragateau: why?16:04
agateauapachelogger: mmm16:04
apacheloggeragateau: just add a new desktop file and manually craft an old widget into your plasmarc :D16:04
agateauapachelogger: could work16:04
apacheloggerif the widget loads upon plasma start then the approach works, if it also doesnt show up in the browser we are saved :)16:04
Riddellagateau: fixed amaro kuploaded16:05
agateauRiddell: great, thanks!16:05
apacheloggerRiddell: Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):16:05
apachelogger  Uploading kde-l10n-ca-valencia_4.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc: done.16:05
apachelogger-sv should also stop FTBFS'ing now16:05
Riddelllovely, thanks apachelogger16:06
ScottKQuassel just updated too.16:06
Quintasan@_@16:06
* Quintasan is getting tired16:06
QuintasanIf that damned Yakuake didn't crash I would have it uploading now16:07
apacheloggerQuintasan: go use a proper terminal emulator then :P16:08
apacheloggeruxterm ftw!16:08
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Riddellamichair: why rename _u(str) to u_(str) ?16:09
amichairRiddell: because python treats methods starting with _ as private, in the sense that they are not imported by an import * statement16:10
SputQuintasan: what's weird about virtual dtors? they obviously need to be virtual, otherwise the compiler wouldn't necessarily call the child class one16:10
Sputsubclass even16:10
Sputwhich means that the subclass would not be able to clean up... that's why newer gcc versions yell loudly if you don't declare your dtors virtual16:11
Riddellamichair: and _(str) doesn't get treated as private?16:11
Sput(always assuming that you also have other virtual functions in that class)16:11
ScottKNCommander: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/1593043/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.kdebindings_4:4.4.2-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:12
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ScottKkdebindings and armel both.  Double the fun.16:12
amichairRiddell: _ is redefined in every class that imports it, e.g. import gettext as _16:12
amichairRiddell: it's a lose-lose situation, either ugly (u_) or inconvenient (needs explicit 'import as' in every file)16:13
Riddellamichair: I see apachelogger also fixed a unicode issue recently in software-properties, what a mess16:14
amichairRiddell: of course it can be renamed to something entirely different, but then it loses the intuitive association of being a unicode version of _ ...16:14
amichairRiddell: when I had that fixing spree months ago, there were at least 15 of them...16:14
apacheloggerjust port it to C&C++ and be done with it16:14
shadeslayerheh... i downloaded 500 MB of upgrades yesterday and now i have 250 MB more of them :P16:14
apacheloggerpython is freaking me out more everyday16:14
amichairRiddell: this one got reintroduced somehow in between (it's an immediate crash on any non-latin charset system)16:14
Quintasanapachelogger: easier said than done though I agree with that crappy python16:15
shadeslayerah well.. 3 hours to upgrade16:15
Quintasan<hint>use Ruby</hint>16:15
Riddellamichair: ho hum.  thanks for the fix, uploading16:15
apacheloggerwell, once jonny finishes his libqapt project we can rewrite sp in cpp16:15
ScottKQuintasan: Only if you want it even slower16:16
QuintasanOh silly me. I meant <troll>use Ruby</troll>16:16
Quintasan;)16:16
amichairRiddell: iirc, there were plans to replace sp altogether in a future release, no?16:16
apacheloggerScottK: well, ubuntu doenst care about that16:16
Riddellamichair: no I don't believe so16:16
apacheloggerotherwise ruby1.8 wasnt compiled with pthreads16:16
Riddellamichair: it needs ported to policykit at some point but nobody has stepped up to do that yet16:17
amichairRiddell: hmmm.... maybe I'm confusing it with something else.16:17
apacheloggeralso my intel chip wouldnt perform so badly16:17
amichairRiddell: ah, maybe that was it.16:17
apacheloggerTHERE IS A BUG OMG OMG OMG16:17
Quintasan10 GB is not enough for Kubuntu, really16:17
Tm_TQuintasan: hum?16:18
QuintasanTm_T: my / is too small16:18
Tm_TQuintasan: ach so16:18
amichairRiddell: in any case, thanks for the merge :-)16:19
apacheloggerQuintasan: doable, but not if you install all sorts of stuff and pbuild in /16:19
* apachelogger had a 10gb / on his pc16:19
amichairRiddell: should I close the bug (fix committed?) or does lp do it magically?16:19
QuintasanI pbuild at /home which is on different partition16:19
shtylmannixternal: you mentioned in your blog that proprietary nvidia doesn't work will with plymouth ... is it known why?16:19
apacheloggerQuintasan: then I do not see how 10gb could be too small16:19
Quintasan /dev/sda1             9,2G  8,5G  249M  98% /16:20
Quintasan:O16:20
apacheloggershtylman: crappy driver at framebuffer time I think16:20
apacheloggerQuintasan: sudo apt-get clean :P16:20
Quintasandid that already16:20
Quintasanit was at 83% but now something takes even more space16:20
apacheloggerQuintasan: pkcon install filelight && filelight /16:20
QuintasanI wonder what is that16:20
apacheloggermaybe some log file doenst get rotated16:21
apacheloggerthat is defenitely weird16:21
ScottKshtylman: See keybuck's blog.16:21
shtylmanScottK: thanks16:22
* apachelogger tries his packaging magic on kde-l10n for karmic16:22
apacheloggerkubotu: np16:22
kubotuapachelogger listened to "Salty Dog" by Flogging Molly [Swagger, 2000] 6 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/3YAsRYkaS9jUoMpTmjs0oh] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more16:23
Riddellamichair: it'll happen magically once the upload is published16:23
QuintasanFlogging Molly \o/16:23
amichairRiddell: coolness.16:23
Quintasanapachelogger: lol yakuake.tmp occupies over 2GB of space16:25
QuintasanWTF16:25
apacheloggerwell16:25
apacheloggerthat seems wrong :P16:25
* apachelogger is wondering what that is anyway16:25
Quintasansitting in /tmp16:25
Quintasan /tmp/kde-quintasan16:26
apacheloggerwell what is it used for :S16:26
apacheloggerQuintasan: maybe backlog?16:26
apacheloggeri.e. did you set backlog to no limit16:26
QuintasanI launched pbuilder in that yakuake session16:26
Quintasanbeats me16:26
ScottKCould be lack of freeing space no longer needed then.16:27
* apachelogger does mapping to fix a bug in the common l10n branch \\o/16:28
Quintasanhmm16:28
QuintasanI clossed pbuilder and it freed the whole space16:28
QuintasanI wonder wtf16:28
apacheloggerQuintasan: go talk to sho :P16:28
apacheloggerthat is very odd behaviour16:29
apacheloggerbut sounds very log related16:29
apacheloggermhh16:42
apacheloggermagic16:42
Quintasanurgh16:44
Quintasansingletons gave me an headache16:44
apacheloggeronly a mild one I hope16:44
QuintasanI'd better try virtual methods and polymorphism now16:44
Quintasanapachelogger: can I go "using namespace std;" in *.h files or its a stupid idea?16:48
apacheloggeryou can, mostly considered bad pratcise16:48
apacheloggerunless you need like > 50% of the std stuff16:49
apacheloggerotehrwise you would do selected using16:49
Quintasanusing namespace std::cout?16:49
apacheloggerI think you can ommit the namespace there16:49
Quintasanlet me try it16:49
apacheloggerme@logos:~/ex1-sexy$ grep using *16:50
apacheloggerCharacter.h:using std::string;16:50
apacheloggerQuintasan: without the namespace keyword16:50
QuintasanI will be using endl also16:50
Quintasanor I just can go \n inside16:50
apacheloggerQuintasan: I for one would consider this also bad practise, despite it if it works16:51
apacheloggerusing std::cout;16:51
apacheloggerusing std::endl;16:51
apacheloggerusing std::cin;16:51
apachelogger...16:51
apacheloggerQuintasan: ultimately in alphabetical order ;)16:52
QuintasanIt's stupid to type std:: each time I want to use cout or endl16:52
QuintasanI'm using them each time I write some damned apps :P16:52
apacheloggerwell, it also depends on how much you really use it ;)16:52
apacheloggerQuintasan: you could stuff your usings in a header and include that16:52
apacheloggersaves you even more typing ;)16:53
Quintasanlol16:53
Quintasan:D16:53
Quintasanincluding a header in a header16:54
apacheloggerthat even is necessary at times :P16:54
Quintasanapachelogger: my book mentions it is a good idea to implement classes in *.h files16:55
Tm_Tor just uses "std::cout"16:55
apachelogger+ it makes sense for that kind of stuff ... say you have a billion of those using statements and those are needed across most of your classes, youd go for that approach16:55
apacheloggerQuintasan: Oo16:55
Quintasanseriously :D16:55
Quintasanmaybe not says but dude does it quite often in his examples16:56
apacheloggerwell, to KISS maybe16:56
apacheloggerbut TBH evne then I would not do it that way without telling the reader that this is bad practicse ;)16:56
SputQuintasan: don't use the "using" directive at all in global scope, in particular in .h files16:57
Sputyou don't want to automagically have something declared in a file where you #include that header16:57
apacheloggergood point16:57
Sputit's not only bad practice, it might also cause hard-to-find but nasty bugs16:57
Sput(also, if you have that much code in your header file that std:: is a nuisance, you're doing it wrong anyway)16:58
apacheloggerbug 55196816:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 551968 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu: KOffice as default instead of OpenOffice.org" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55196816:59
apacheloggerw-t-f16:59
SputQuintasan: you can use "using" in your .cpp files as much as you want, but don't spoil the global namespace in headers you might #include somewhere else17:00
Riddellapachelogger: how come he can edit bug status?17:00
QuintasanSput: okay, I'll stick to it later, now I'm just taking the "print out some crap to show it actually works" approach17:01
Quintasan:P17:01
Sputjust use Qt, that obsoletes all of std:: :>17:02
QuintasanSput: easy, I just got to learn about classes and such :P17:02
apacheloggerRiddell: everyone can17:02
apacheloggerimportance requires editing karma17:02
* shtylman tried to use nouveau ... but something failed ... had to revert back to nvidia-current :(17:03
SputQuintasan: did you read my comment above about virtual dtors?17:03
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, well close it with "feature request, not a bug" I guess17:03
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, already closed again17:03
QuintasanSput: about doing it wrong?17:03
apacheloggeroh my17:04
ScottKapachelogger: I closed it again too, but you got there first.17:04
SputQuintasan: nah, my explanation why one needs them17:04
apacheloggerRiddell: no /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk in lucid? :(17:04
Riddellapachelogger: no that's long since gone17:05
apacheloggermeh17:05
* apachelogger cant build karmic kde-l10n on lucid :P17:05
Riddellapachelogger: there's a reason why nobody else has wanted to touch kde-l10n :)17:05
apacheloggerwell, its all nice and cosy now :P17:06
apachelogger+ making it backportable to karmic is pretty easy too17:06
apacheloggeronce I have found a .mk ^^17:06
apacheloggerof course launchpad is doing what it can to prevent me from doing that -.-17:07
Quintasanurgh I hate when g++ throws undefined reference errors at me17:09
Quintasan:<17:10
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apacheloggerpoor Quintasan17:10
apacheloggerkubotu: order cookie, xmas for Quintasan17:10
* kubotu slides cookie, xmas down the bar to Quintasan17:10
apacheloggerhm17:10
apacheloggerkubotu: order christmas cookie for Quintasan17:10
* kubotu slides christmas cookie down the bar to Quintasan17:10
apacheloggerwell, screw it17:11
Quintasanthanks17:11
Quintasan:P17:11
Quintasankubotu: order chistmas cookies for apachelogger17:11
* kubotu slides chistmas cookies down the bar to apachelogger17:11
Quintasan:/17:11
apacheloggermaybe cookies17:12
apacheloggerkubotu: order cookies, xmas for Quintasan17:12
* kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to Quintasan and shouts: Happy whatever -.-17:12
apacheloggerah :D17:12
Quintasanlol17:12
apacheloggerdpkg-source: Fehler: several orig.tar files found (./kde-l10n-ar_4.4.2.orig.tar.bz2 and ./kde-l10n-ar_4.4.2.orig.tar.gz) but only one is allowed17:12
* apachelogger likes how CLI apps are translated17:12
apacheloggerand sometimes not translated17:12
apacheloggerand sometimes half-translated17:12
apacheloggerreminds me on Kubuntu17:12
apacheloggeroh17:13
apachelogger*blush*17:13
Quintasanapachelogger: wait, you are from Germany?17:13
apacheloggerno I am not17:13
apacheloggerwhy would I be from germany?17:13
QuintasanIsn't Fehler german for Error?17:13
apacheloggeraustrians tend to speak german :P17:14
Quintasanoh17:14
QuintasanThat's new to me :O17:14
apacheloggerif I was german I would be married to Nightrose I suppose17:14
apacheloggerQuintasan: less sleeping in lessons :P17:14
Quintasanapachelogger: they do not tell us such useful thing in school :(17:14
Quintasanbtw.17:15
apacheloggercensorship?17:15
ScottKNot even all Germans manage to speak the same German.  Don't try and tell me that Austria somehow does.17:15
Quintasananyone knows some mathematical terms?17:15
SputScottK: well, they're better than some proper German areas :P17:15
apacheloggerhm17:16
amichairQuintasan: ring!17:16
Quintasanlike those equations - (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2? It has a term in polish but I dunno about english17:16
apacheloggeraustria speaks the same german, except for the colognies of vienna and carinithia :P17:16
apacheloggerbut the parts that matter speak the same german ;)17:16
Sputyeah, but with a funny accent17:17
ScottKQuintasan: a^2 is "a squared" or "a raised to the second power"17:17
amichairQuintasan: oh. ring is a mathematical term as well.17:17
Sputand group, and set17:17
Sputand Eigenvalue17:17
amichairQuintasan: any term in particular you're looking for?17:18
ScottKQuintasan: For a^2, it'd be normal to say "a squared", for a^3, "a cubed", and then after that like a^, "a to the fourth".17:18
QuintasanScottK: I mean the whole equation, in polish we have "wzory skróconego mnożenia" which translated roughly would give "shortned multiplication equations"17:18
ScottKAh.17:18
ScottKThat's a quadradic equation.17:19
Sput"binomial formulae" possibly?17:19
QuintasanSput: binomial is (a+b)^4 :P17:20
SputQuintasan: well, in German the one above would be one of the three "Binomische Formeln"17:20
apacheloggeruhm17:20
apacheloggerthis formula17:20
apacheloggeris17:20
apacheloggerwell17:20
amichairI know it as on eof the general 'algebraic formulas'17:20
apacheloggernot of the best kinds ;)17:21
apacheloggersee17:21
Sputthe other ones being (a-b)² = a² - 2ab + b², and the third being a²-b² = (a-b)(a+b)17:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: what you stated is the proof of the pythaogrean theorem17:21
apacheloggeror however that is written :P17:21
apacheloggermy system is exploding from bunzip -.-17:21
Quintasan>implying apachelogger was not sleeping at his math lessons17:22
Quintasan:P17:22
Sputlooks like in English that term is more used for the generalization (but still, the ones above are binomial formulae)17:22
apacheloggeractually I was most of the time :P17:22
apacheloggerQuintasan: http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Spyth.htm17:22
Sputin German school, "the three Binomische Formeln" always means the special case of squared17:23
QuintasanAlso, ain't that pythagorean thingy a² + b² = c² ?17:23
Sputyep17:23
QuintasanSput: you did that ² on keyboard or copypasted somewhere17:24
Quintasanit from somewhere*17:24
SputAltGr + 217:24
Quintasanawesome17:24
Quintasan²17:24
SputI'm using US Intl anyway on all my boxen17:25
amichairQuintasan: "binomial formula" is usually the generic (x+y)^n, of which yours is one instance17:25
apacheloggerQuintasan: that is why i said it is a proof :P17:25
Sputplus I have a compose key17:25
apacheloggergo read the url :P17:25
apacheloggerusing algebraic terms17:25
Sputso I can enter most of utf8 via keyboard :>17:25
Quintasando not distract me from working on KOffice17:25
Quintasanapachelogger: ^17:25
apacheloggeryou insulted my superiro mathematical skills!17:26
* apachelogger is called the mathemagician :P17:26
Quintasanapachelogger: Now I question your typing ability17:26
Quintasan:P17:26
amichairhttp://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_benjamin_does_mathemagic.html17:26
apacheloggersee!17:26
apachelogger!!!!17:26
Quintasan...17:27
QuintasanBut your name is Harald, isn't it?17:27
QuintasanSput: I bet you can't input this17:27
Quintasan17:27
Quintasan:O17:27
apacheloggerI do not even get a letter for this :P17:27
apacheloggermuhahahahahahaha17:27
apacheloggerfail17:27
Quintasanapachelogger: hammer and sickle17:27
* apachelogger reruns l10n scriptyness17:28
Sputyou mean ☭?17:28
Sputyes I can17:28
Quintasanwat17:28
Sputcompose + CCCP17:28
Sputobviously.17:28
apacheloggerehm17:28
apacheloggerI want to note that Sput's version works17:28
apacheloggerso clearly Quintasan is responsible for the fail17:28
Sputof course, because I'm sending proper utf817:28
Quintasanapachelogger: I copypasted it17:28
apacheloggercongrats17:28
Quintasan:P17:28
apacheloggerSput++17:29
QuintasanSput: too bad since compose to C gives me ć17:29
apacheloggerI would do like <3 Sput but since I do not get proper kde emoticons I will not17:29
SputQuintasan: capital CCCP17:29
QuintasanĆ17:29
Quintasan:P17:29
Sputapachelogger: you mean ♥?17:29
apacheloggerno17:29
Sputcompose + <3 !17:29
apacheloggerI mean proper kde emoticon17:29
apacheloggerlooking all oxygen and stuff17:29
apacheloggerweeh17:30
apacheloggerl10n builds go way faster without that crappy svn17:30
apacheloggerand just for the record... konversation supports proper kde emoticons that look all oxygen and stuff!17:31
apachelogger!!!17:31
nixternalfor the record, irssi ftw, emoticons suck!17:31
* apachelogger throws a stone at nixternal17:32
apacheloggerdamn that bike helmet!17:32
apachelogger:P17:32
* nixternal catches and uses it to cook a pizza on17:32
nixternalhahaha17:32
apacheloggereating pizza once a week reduces the risk of some cancer kinds17:33
apacheloggerhttp://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/104547178/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=017:33
Sputso one should be eating pizza while smoking?17:33
Quintasanhuh17:33
QuintasanI enabled compose key in kde but it doesnt work, I also changed my layout to US17:33
apacheloggerlayout us ftw17:34
apacheloggerSput: I am not sure17:34
apacheloggeraint me area of epxertise per se17:35
SputQuintasan: US Intl!17:35
* apachelogger notes that it is quite the PITA to do kde-l10n on a netbook -.-17:35
Sput(variant altgr-intl is what I have here)17:36
Quintasanhmm17:39
* apachelogger goes doing things17:39
Quintasanafter I type two C's I puts a C only :P17:39
amichairewok17:42
amichairoops, wrong window (that's my most secret password :-P)17:43
apacheloggerpff passwords are overrated anyway17:48
apacheloggerlooking for 777 is what we script kiddies to these days17:48
apacheloggers/to/do17:48
* apachelogger continues doing things17:49
amichairyeah... besides, 4 chars is plenty. it'll take ages for someone to type in all combinations! even with altgr.17:49
* amichair continues to pretend to do things17:49
amichairnixternal: can u verify the scp notification thing is fixed for u?18:27
amichairnixternal: the crash, that is18:27
nixternallet me see if it is time to upgrade18:27
ScottKI'm getting ready to do another workspace upload.  Does anyone else have anything to go ini before Beta 2 for workspace?18:28
Riddelldepends if agateau and apachelogger came to any conclusion on the upgrade issue18:29
ScottKOK.  Pushed my changes in bzr so anyone can add to it.18:33
* ScottK needs an RSS of notmart's KDE SVN committs to keep up with netbook bug fixes.18:36
shtylmanScottK: I think websvn lets you have that :)18:37
* ScottK pokes at it18:37
nixternalamichair: scp isn't causing the popup anymore, so that is a good sign18:45
amichairnixternal: that's not actually anything I touched... I fixed the crash part :-)18:46
amichairnixternal: do u have that multi-lingual hook file in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ ?18:47
nixternalamichair: no, removed that the other day18:47
nixternalforgot about that18:47
amichairu pastebinned it somewhere... trying to find it18:50
amichairnixternal: the bottom part of http://paste.ubuntu.com/402496/ - can u throw it back into that folder?18:56
nixternalamichair: what is the file name again?18:59
amichairnixternal: doesn't matter. from line 31 onwards.18:59
nixternalamichair: groovy, no crash...pops up the selector when you hit details now19:00
* nixternal removes that file as to not get that darn popup19:00
amichairnixternal: yay :-)19:01
nixternalas soon as I added that file, I got the notification, clicked details, and it worked :)19:01
amichairu can actually run it... it's something that was supposed to run instead of crashing long ago. should work now...19:01
amichairnixternal: thanks for confirming :-)19:03
ScottKapachelogger: Did you get the upgrade thing sorted out with agateau?19:05
apacheloggerScottK: agateau is still working on it, but possibly we came up with an approach that could work19:06
nixternalamichair: no prob19:07
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  I'll wait a bit on my workspace upload then.  Please let me know if he gives up.19:07
apacheloggerScottK: well, if it works, then it will not require changes to workspace really19:08
ScottKapachelogger: What gets changed?19:08
apacheloggerthe indicator gets a second desktop file19:08
ScottKOh.19:08
* nixternal heads out for the rest of the day: nixternal->(cycling);19:21
apacheloggerScottK: actually that seems to be working just fine ;)19:21
apacheloggerfrom the limited testing I can do on my breaking machinery19:21
apacheloggernixternal: what weird language is that?19:22
apacheloggerphp? :P19:22
apacheloggernixternal: hf though19:22
apacheloggerkubotu: np19:33
kubotuapachelogger listened to "Colours" by The Prodigy 17 minutes ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more19:33
apacheloggerhm19:33
apacheloggerI am lagging so badly that not even lastfm is up to date -.-19:33
apacheloggeromg19:43
apacheloggerI am so cool19:43
apacheloggerand good looking too19:43
apacheloggernow if only aurelien were around to acknowledge that :/19:44
jjessewhy are you so coool now?19:44
lex79jjesse: he is in front the mirror19:45
apacheloggerI have the ultimate and most awesome to the indicator-name-change-problem19:45
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jjessethe ultimate you say???19:45
apacheloggerlex79: no no19:45
Riddellthe most awesome you say??19:45
amichairbut I think you lost a noun19:45
apacheloggerright19:46
apacheloggersolution19:46
apacheloggerone that comes right after apachelogger-redoes-all-of-plasma-so-it-makes-sense in both ultimateness and awesomeness19:46
apacheloggerand since I dont have time to redo plasma it is the ultimate and most awesome one19:46
apacheloggeralso kde-l10n is almost done for karmic19:47
apachelogger(I hope)19:47
ScottKapachelogger: Does this new awesomeness need a workspace change?  I'm about to upload.19:47
RiddellScottK: hold that upload, I've a new patch coming19:48
apacheloggerScottK: nope19:48
ScottKOK.19:48
* apachelogger hates patches and thus all and every solution must work without patches to qualify for ultimate awesomeness19:48
ScottKRiddell: The test build with my patch just finished successfully, so I guess I'll leave it to you to upload when you're ready.19:49
* ScottK remembered to bzr add the patch this time.19:49
* apachelogger uplodas final two l10n packages19:50
apacheloggerkubotu: identica dent I am glad to announce: #kde l10n updates coming to a !kubuntu ppa near you soonish19:50
kubotustatus updated19:51
apacheloggeryay, new mapping magic also works19:52
* apachelogger dances with amichair19:52
* amichair dances with the ultimate awesome good-lookin dude19:53
amichairwhen apachelogger abruptly cuts in :-P19:56
apacheloggerRiddell: l10n successfully backported to karmic using https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common-karmic19:56
apacheloggeramichair--19:56
apacheloggerkubotu: lart amichair19:56
* kubotu drops a truckload of VAXen on amichair19:56
apacheloggermuhahaha19:56
* apachelogger is looking for his evil grin and runs rm -rf *19:57
Riddellapachelogger: you're a genius19:57
apachelogger:)19:59
apacheloggernow as for the indicator name change19:59
apachelogger*) add old indicatordisplay desktop file20:00
apachelogger*) change library name to new name20:00
apachelogger*) add NoDisplay=true20:00
apacheloggerdeploy that with the regular message-indicator package20:00
apacheloggerthen we have two options20:00
* amichair shields himself with a commodre 64 he keeps nearby for emergencies20:01
apacheloggera) also deploy 00-update-displayindicator-name.js to ensure everything gets migrated nicely before our init/updates scripts get run20:01
apacheloggerb) not deploy that file and let the regular updates script from kds take care of the renaming20:01
* ScottK reminds amichair that C64 was made of flimsy plastic. No protection there.20:02
apacheloggerb obviously comes with the implciation that we would need to ship the old desktop file forever and 2 days20:02
ScottKapachelogger: No, just for this release.20:02
* amichair boots the C64 in 128k mode for double protection!20:02
ScottKFor Lucid +1 it could be dropped (like we drop old transitional packages)20:02
apacheloggernope20:03
apacheloggerwhat if dearest user has moved the widget to some other panel20:03
apachelogger(remember: we only mess with the first panel regadless if there are others)20:03
apacheloggerthen his widget would not be migrated to the new name, since the update script does not affect other panels20:03
apacheloggermeaning to prevent breakage at some point the indicatordisplay desktop file needs to be deployed for lucid+20:04
apacheloggerhence I do very much think we should have a seperate update script in the message-indicator package20:05
apacheloggerunless anyone can think of a reason why to not do that20:05
ScorpiionRiddell: Hello, will you be mentoring for multiple project in GSoC this summer? Just got curious since your name is on many ideas here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2010/Ideas20:08
ScorpiionRiddell: I find some of them interesting and would like to ask some more about it.. :)20:08
lex79ScottK: I removed doko's patch (now obsolete) in Qt, but he says the ftbs is due to another problem20:10
ScottKlex79: Was that part of the code touched by a recent patch?20:10
larsiviopen office calc is not very usable/readable with a dark kde theme20:10
lex79need investigate, I don't know in this moment20:11
ScottKOK.  Please do.20:11
ScottKThanks.20:11
ScottKRiddell: 4.4.2 is fully built on i386 and amd64 now.  The last amd64 just missed the publisher run so it'll be on archive.ubuntu.com in ~100 minutes.20:12
ScottKRiddell: We're going to need NCommander for kdebindings on armel.20:12
RiddellScottK: I think kdebindings just needs that smoke cp command not running on armel, we don't build smoke on arm currently as I remember20:13
apacheloggerhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm20:13
RiddellScorpiion: I can mentor multiple Kubuntu projects yes20:13
ScottKOh.20:13
ScorpiionRiddell: okey, sounds great! Have it been many people talking about these projects or? Just thinking if they are "taken" or so to say...20:14
RiddellScorpiion: I've had quite a few enquires, few have followed up with a detailed proposal20:14
ScorpiionRiddell: okey I see20:15
NCommanderRiddell: I thought smoke got fixed20:15
ScottKNCommander: Please make it work.20:15
RiddellNCommander: "Disable smoke, csharp and ruby on armel, smoke segfaults"  that's the fix20:16
ScorpiionRiddell: I think these are interesting, Kubuntu File Sharing, Profile boot time and memory usage, Ubuntu One KDE client and Package Manager Improvements20:16
Riddellnow lex79 added something to the build proccess for smoke and that needs turned off on armel, shouldn't be hard20:16
RiddellScorpiion: isn't that all of them? :)20:17
apacheloggerthat reminds me that I should go through my mail20:17
ScorpiionRiddell: haha no 4 out of 5.. ;)20:17
RiddellScorpiion: Profile boot time and memory usage isn't a well defined project, there's a very similar one on the KDE Ideas page so I'd follow up there for that one20:17
RiddellScorpiion: package manager improvements either wants a port of Ubuntu Software Centre or UI improvements to kpackagekit, not sure which is best20:18
ScorpiionRiddell: okey, if I should pick one out of these four, witch one do you think I would have the best chance at?20:18
RiddellScorpiion: Ubuntu One KDE client is probably harder than it sounds, apachelogger did some initial work on it so he'd know what needs done20:18
Scorpiionokey20:19
Riddelland File Sharing is just something I've wanted done for ages20:19
Scorpiionhehe okey, that is nice :)20:19
RiddellScorpiion: how's your c++, python, Qt and KDE hacking skills?20:19
jjesseshould amarok be consuming 20%+ cpu all the time for me?20:21
* apachelogger notes that he is very much against introducing more python runtime and unicode madness20:21
ScorpiionRiddell: well, I guess it's a little hard to messure, but I'm not a expert but not a beginer either..I would say I know more C and C++ that I do python..20:21
ScorpiionI have not done very much application development, more system programming.. but I like both20:21
RiddellScorpiion: are you a kubuntu user?20:22
ScorpiionRiddell: yes I am.. :)20:23
ScorpiionRiddell: I also talking some to you on email maybe a year ago....20:23
RiddellScorpiion: which of the issues above annoy you most?  that's a good indicator for which one would be good to work on20:23
ScorpiionI was trying to start a bussiness with kubuntu support for companys.. but I did not get the time to really make it happen..20:24
Scorpiionwell I have always been a "terminal guy" or so to speak.. (used Linux for a little more than 4 years but still).. but I also like to have nice GUI apps as well, and the package manager in kubuntu is something that actualy bother my a little.. :P20:25
danttihey JontheEchidna :D , I'm finishing to add the real printer-state-message to the kcm, and I think it would make more sence to use that message instead of the current job in the tray...20:26
apacheloggerkubotu: np20:27
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "No Good (Start The Dance)" by The Prodigy [Music For The Jilted Generation, 2007] [http://open.spotify.com/track/4kcBLVepesflQP345wKVeq] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more20:27
JontheEchidnaYeah, the tray is supposed to show the status of the hardware20:27
JontheEchidnamakes sense to me (tm)20:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna->queryStatus("akonadi");20:28
danttiJontheEchidna: right, now I have 4.4.2 in debian :D so I'll try to do some hacking there...20:28
RiddellScorpiion: for the package manager we could do a port of Ubuntu Software Centre, which is a python app and ubuntu specific20:28
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: To be honest I really don't wanna. :(20:28
JontheEchidnaYou know more about what needs done anyways20:28
RiddellScorpiion: or we could look at adding an applications view into kpackagekit (currently it lists all packages which most users don't care about), that's c++ but probably also needs changes to packagekit which would be fairly complex20:29
RiddellScorpiion: it could also be working with dantti and UI people to improve the kpackagekit UI20:29
danttiRiddell: how are applications defined in ubunto sw center?20:29
ScorpiionRiddell: okey..20:30
danttiScorpiion: or you can help me making a debconf-kde lib to add support for that in kpk :P20:30
* apachelogger notes that improvements to kpk or joining the shaman forces is of greater value to kde distros at large though20:30
Scorpiionokey20:31
JontheEchidnadantti: pretty much like the PackageKit groups are now, actually20:31
danttiapachelogger: btw now with 4.4 I'll try to found some time to finish the updater icon..20:31
* apachelogger is amazed by the speed of debian's package deployments :P20:31
Scorpiionkpk = kpackagekit right?20:31
JontheEchidnadantti: it just uses a .desktop file database to filter out packages that aren't applications20:32
danttiJontheEchidna: well i should be actually easy to add an "Applications" filter...20:32
Riddelldantti: we have a package app-install-data which includes all the .desktop files from all the packages in the archive (.desktop files get extracted at some point during the build process)20:32
Scorpiionyeah..20:32
danttiapachelogger: the problem afair is that debian is freeze now, and I'm actually using a non-official (but actually done by the same ppl) packages..20:32
Scorpiiondantti: debconf, I will google that...20:33
apachelogger^^20:33
Riddellinterestingly packagekit-backend-apt seems to depend on app-install-data, I wonder why20:33
danttiRiddell: hmm I thought it was some patch in apt which would make more sense20:33
apacheloggerdantti: that is not much different from kubuntu, just that you dont get packages done by some ppl ;)20:33
apacheloggermore like us ppl20:33
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I had a question about my current GSoC proposal. Do you think it's enough work for a summer? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010/JonathanThomas20:34
* apachelogger is wondering he should also craft up some proposal ^^20:34
JontheEchidnaAlternately, I think continuing my work on LibQApt that I started last week (http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/) and using it to either implement a custom Kubuntu Software Center or a Shaman backend would definitely fill up a summer, if not more20:35
danttiScorpiion: nice :D what I basically want to do is to take out from adept's code and make it into a lib, (since we don't have qt bindings for perl yet that would speed up debconf integration)20:35
apacheloggerhow about gsoc proposing that I fix akonadi on ubuntu ;)20:36
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: If it was to fix akonadi in general maybe ;)20:36
apacheloggerdude20:36
Scorpiiondantti: okey, is that enough work for a whole GSoC? *I not sure how big task that is*20:36
apacheloggerakonadi is so broken20:36
ScorpiionI*m20:37
apacheloggeryou could waste your life fixing it on each and every distro20:37
apacheloggerand that all comes from akonadi using mysql20:37
apacheloggerand mysql is fundamentally wrong20:37
* apachelogger doesnt wanna go there again and continues doing things20:37
danttiScorpiion: well I never did a gsoc.. but that's is (seem) quite simple...20:38
glatzorRiddell, dantti: Add an application filter is a non trivial task. Beacuse applications and packages don't map one-to-one.20:38
glatzoradding20:38
amichairRiddell, apachelogger: how much work do u think is involved in bringing policykit to kpackagekit (assuming no previous knowledge of them)?20:38
Scorpiiondantti: yeah maybe not 2 months of fulltime work...20:38
danttiglatzor: why not? how do you install them?20:38
apacheloggerOo20:38
JontheEchidnaamichair: kpackagekit already uses PolicyKit. Software-properties is the project that needs it :)20:39
apacheloggeramichair: kpk already uses policykit?20:39
danttiyou must have some package installed...20:39
apacheloggerah20:39
RiddellJontheEchidna: that's looking pretty good now, you could add what you might work on incase you get it done early (adding language selection to KDM or getting kimpanel working with current ibus are random ideas), doesn't need to have any details20:39
amichairohoh my bad :-)20:39
glatzordantti, Riddell, basically it is possible with packagekit. but you would have to add an additional to the backend.20:39
apacheloggeramichair: hard to tell since I havent seen the code of a python polkit implementation and neither one that works across kde and gnome in python20:39
apacheloggerif it was only kde, it would be rather simplye thanks to magic api ^^20:40
JontheEchidnaI know that jockey has some form of Polkit-have in the backend20:40
glatzoran additional layer20:40
RiddellScorpiion: I'm not so interested in the debconf work myself and it's not my area of knowledge so I probably wouldn't mentor that20:40
ScorpiionRiddell: Okey, I think the other proposals seam more fun anyway.. Application view.. can you expain that a little more?20:41
danttiglatzor: Well I don't know how sw center maps that currently but changing packagekit is pretty easy once we have a good design...20:41
glatzorRiddell, dantti furhtermore you perhaps don't want to have an exclusive package or application view but a combined view as provided by spftware-centre nowadays20:41
danttithat's why a package filter is enough imo, if you want both just remove it....20:42
danttilike I want a cdburner filter("applications") and get k3b & friends...20:43
RiddellScorpiion: instead of listing all the packages it should list only applications like software centre does, as glatzor says that might be quite complex because it needs packagekit changing to filter for only applications20:43
RiddellScorpiion: and to match software centre it would include stuff like application icons, screenshots and reviews (which would be very tricky to do through packagekit)20:44
ScorpiionRiddell: okey..20:44
glatzorRiddell, software-center shows both packages and applications.20:44
glatzorRiddell, dantti see you. have to leave20:45
RiddellScorpiion: so a KDE port of software centre would be easier to do, but as apachelogger says that doesn't help KDE in general and it puts in back in a position of having to maintain our own package manager (which kpackagekit nicely means we avoid)20:45
danttiRiddell: reviews and screenshots are the most "complex" because it needs a break in API but it's definetly simple20:45
danttithe hardest part is finding a good design that Richard likes :P20:46
Riddelldantti: simple to do in a distro independent way?20:46
danttiI'm trying till now to add download size support but Richard didn't like it yet...20:46
Scorpiioninteresting.. hm..20:46
glatzordantti, or support time frame :/20:47
danttiRiddell: yes cause afaik those data could be oppened in a browser or just send the link to be fetched by kpk20:47
danttiglatzor: sorry don't get what you mean . :(20:48
Riddellso maybe the place to start is by asking on the packagekit list what needs done for application data support and if that's likely to be accepted20:48
ScorpiionRiddell: I have not used Ubuntu Software Center... but I have read some and there will/are(?) more things that kpackagekit has right? I should be able to buy software right? or I'm a totaly lost here? :S20:48
Riddellrgreening looked into it ages ago20:48
RiddellScorpiion: yes that's right20:49
danttiRiddell: sure, I was thinking on doing something like that by myself but if more ppl get involved that might be better...20:49
RiddellScorpiion: maybe installing software centre and working out what features it has which we should try and get into kpackagekit would be a nice start too20:50
ScorpiionRiddell: so is it possible to make sort of a plugin or kubuntu special version of kpackagekit that adds the "extra" part from software center? (Just thinking of a way to have one program instead of two)20:51
Scorpiionor is it a goal that it should be two separeted programs?20:51
RiddellScorpiion: we don't want to fork kpackagekit20:52
ScorpiionRiddell: okey20:52
ScorpiionI was more thinking of some externsion that could be applied.. but I understand..20:52
Riddellwe'd want support for application listing in packagekit (rather than package listing) which includes application details like icon and screenshots and nice things like that20:52
Riddellthen adding the UI for than in kpackagekit20:53
Scorpiionokey20:53
Riddellso that means keeping everyone happy on kubuntu side, kpackagekit (dantti) and packagekit (Richard Hughes mostly)20:53
ScorpiionRiddell: you think I have a better chance on that than a software center port? of course I could make two application thought.. but still.. :)20:54
ScorpiionI see20:54
danttiyup, basically the first thing imo would be to know how that work on sw center and see how to change it in PackageKit, then adding support for that in kpk should be quite easy20:54
RiddellScorpiion: software center port would be easier to do, but it'll be kubuntu specific and we may not have time to maintian it within kubuntu in one two or five years time (that's why we use kpackagekit currently)20:55
dantticurrently it shows icons for installed apps, adding a support for non installed ones would be a good start to get in touch with Pk code...20:55
ScorpiionI understand...20:56
Scorpiiondantti: yeah sounds like a good start to get to know some of the code...20:56
danttiScorpiion: I think Riddell has a good point here, having a distro specif tool has less attention that a more widlely used app20:56
danttiwhich is easier to maintain..20:57
ScorpiionYeah in the long run it is better.. :)20:57
RiddellScorpiion: oh and also the packagekit-backend-apt author needs kept happy (glatzor) unless we switch to packagekit-backend-aptcc in which case it's dantti who needs kept happy again :)20:57
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Scorpiionhaha okey :P20:57
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ScorpiionI think working on kpackagekit might be a good and fun task...:)20:59
Riddelland all done within the Ubuntu release schedule too (which doesn't necessarily match to the packagekit or kpackagekit release schedules)20:59
neversfeldewe should consider to remove the microblogging applet from the default desktop, it looks really not good on small screens21:02
Scorpiionwhat we have talked about now is that also written down on some todo list or roadmap or similar?21:02
Scorpiionthinking of kpackagekit21:02
Riddellneversfelde: it shouldn't be there if the screen is < 1024, that's a bug21:03
RiddellScorpiion: no i don't think it is21:03
danttiScorpiion: afaik no, but Richard seems to be a fan of the applications idea... at least21:03
neversfeldeRiddell: ok21:03
Scorpiionokey21:04
* apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with a long pointy stick of glitter21:04
* JontheEchidna giggles21:04
apacheloggernothing to be gigling about!21:05
Scorpiionmhm.. I think I have to write that down then.. :P21:05
JontheEchidnaPillsbury DoughEnchilada21:05
* apachelogger now has to compile mysql and akonadi on atom21:05
JontheEchidna:(21:05
apacheloggerjudging from the speed of fromer compile trials I might assume that atom was not made for compiling :S21:06
JontheEchidnaGotta go; my ride is here. I'll get home in 45 minutes or so21:06
apacheloggerneversfelde: what size is the screen?21:10
neversfeldeapachelogger: it's an ideapad s1221:11
neversfeldeone moment21:11
Scorpiionwrote down/ copy pasted some from this discution... anything you would like to add? :) http://pastebin.com/ByQeBZvH21:11
neversfeldeapachelogger:  30.7 cm ( 12.1" ) TFT21:12
neversfeldehuh21:12
neversfeldeapachelogger: "30.7 cm ( 12.1" ) TFT"21:12
neversfeldeweird21:12
apacheloggerneversfelde: I mean the X screen (i.e. resolution of that thingy ;)21:12
neversfeldeapachelogger: 1280 x 80021:13
apacheloggerhmmmmmmmm21:13
apacheloggerthat is within the constraints really21:13
apacheloggerneversfelde: a screenshot would be nice21:13
apacheloggermy akonadi will not be built until tomorrow anyway -.-21:14
* apachelogger should have known better and taken the laptop with him, despite the weight21:14
Riddelldantti: why does "reviews and screenshots" break packagekit API but application view wouldn't?21:18
danttiRiddell: because the way I thought to do it would be to add an "Applications" filter21:18
Riddelldantti: which is already part of the packagekit API?21:19
danttireviews and screenshots even  if they are links they would need to break the package description signal...21:19
danttiRiddell: yes, we have GUI filter, installed, Free....21:20
danttiadding there is simple21:20
Riddelldantti: how does it know what packages to return?21:21
danttiRiddell: that's the backend task...21:21
danttithat's why investigating how sw center does is needed...21:21
Riddelldantti: it just uses the files in app-install-data21:22
Scorpiiondantti: okey sounds smart to look at that first..21:22
Riddellso maybe the backend just needs support for that21:22
neversfeldeapachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/wkNELYT.html21:22
danttiRiddell: and those .desktop files have the package-name to install right?21:23
apacheloggerohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh21:23
Riddelldantti: yes21:23
apacheloggerScottK: our nice binary magnler cripples quassel l10n21:23
Riddellaptbackend already uses app-install-data for get_mapping_db21:23
apacheloggerScottK: the client only desktop file says (client only) in the name field... the name gets translated in the desktop file, as usual21:24
apacheloggerScottK: but then our mangler comes and strips the translation21:24
apacheloggerScottK: result: harald got an entry saying Quassel (Client only) in the menu :(21:24
danttiRiddell: yes that's basically mapping, and displaying only results from the .desktop data base (but emmiting REAL packages)21:24
Riddelldantti, Scorpiion: app-install-data .desktop files include packagename, popularity, and section (supported/not) which would all be nice to feature21:24
ScorpiionRiddell: okey21:25
apacheloggerneversfelde: that is plasma being to stupid to take the size of the panel into account21:28
apacheloggerif you screen was <800 the panel would be right of the folder view I think21:29
apachelogger<800 in height obviously ;)21:29
neversfeldeapachelogger: mhh, I can live with removing microblog after the installation, but it is not nice for a new user to see it like this21:32
* apachelogger wasnt clear enough in his statment21:33
apacheloggerneversfelde: please throw the screenshot at aseigo and tell him to make plasma take the panel into account and hence position the microblag plasmoid right of the folderview instead of below it :P21:33
neversfeldeapachelogger: if I would do it, would that fix anything for lucid?21:34
apacheloggerhm21:34
apacheloggerdepends on if we ship wiht 4.4.2 or .321:34
apacheloggerin either case21:34
apacheloggerneversfelde: if you get him to fix it right away and backport to 4.3, then we can include it in .2 and have it fixed properly for lucid21:35
neversfeldeapachelogger: I am afraid I do not understand the details of this problem enough to talk to aseigo21:36
apacheloggerneversfelde: just look at the screenshot you posted21:36
apacheloggerobviously the microblag is underneath the panel21:36
apacheloggeryet21:37
apacheloggerright of the folderview plasmoid there is loads of space21:37
neversfeldebest way, would be imo to remove this useless widget and provide a clean and good looking desktop with only folderview enabled :)21:38
apacheloggerso instead of adding the microblag below the folderview and thus within the area occupied by the panel, plasma should notice that positioning below folderview will clash with panel and therefore add it right of the folder view21:38
apacheloggerneversfelde: I would be all in favor of that, please post a request to the list21:38
apacheloggerneversfelde: yet you would need to complain to aseigo, because even then the bug remains :P21:39
apacheloggeryou just dont see it anymore21:39
* apachelogger will now initiate movement towards bed21:39
apacheloggero/21:39
apacheloggercyas21:39
neversfeldeapachelogger: I will put it on my todo, but I am starting something new next week, so I will probably need till 4.6.4 to get in touch with it again^^21:39
RiddellScottK: I'm good on kdebase-workspace now (bug 540194 fixed), want to upload it?21:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540194 in kdebase-workspace "plasma-netbook defaults to newspaper not launch page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54019421:39
ScorpiionRiddell: I guess I should make a entery here later right? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/201021:40
RiddellScorpiion: yes that seems to be the thing to do21:41
Scorpiion:)21:42
ScottKRiddell: I can upload it if you didn't already.  Either way.21:48
neversfeldeshtylman: the installer of the current daily is broken, if you choose german language and a german keyboard layout and activate "Eliminate dead keys" it crashes21:51
ScottKapachelogger: Doesn't that get added to the language pack then?21:53
shtylmanneversfelde: what is "eliminate dead keys"?21:53
neversfeldeshtylman: it is a keyboard layout that eliminates keys with accents21:54
Scorpiionis it just me or is it hard to get into the kubuntu wiki right now? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/201021:55
ScottKIt's not rare for it to be slow.21:58
ScorpiionScottK: okey, but I can't get on to it at all...22:00
Scorpiionoh now :)22:00
ScottKThat's about right.  Wait long enough you're sure it won't work, wait a little longer, and there it is.22:00
RiddellScottK: go for it22:04
ScottKOK.22:04
shtylmanneversfelde: thanks... can you file a bug report and assing it to me?22:04
ScottKRiddell: Done22:05
shtylman*assign22:05
neversfeldeshtylman: yes, I'll do, after I finish this installation22:05
shtylmanneversfelde: thanks22:05
neversfeldeshtylman: file it against ubiquity?22:05
shtylmanneversfelde: indeed22:06
neversfeldeok22:06
ScottKRiddell: Do you want another upload with notmart's fix? http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdebase/workspace/plasma/netbook/shell/plasmaapp.cpp?r1=1109721&r2=1109720&pathrev=1109721 - the last upload didn't hit the buildds yet, so uploading again won't slow things down.22:35
* ScottK needs to head out very shortly, so don't wait on me.22:35
RiddellScottK: that means testing and reverting my last change22:36
Riddelllet's save it for after beta22:36
ScottKOK.22:36
neversfeldeshtylman: bug report filed, let me know, if I can do any further testing22:37
shtylmanneversfelde: thanks :)22:42
Riddellhmm, my knetworkmanager doesn't want to talk to network-manager22:48
* Riddell adds the new logo to kickoff22:48
lex79is there a way to testbuild a package on ia64?22:58
Riddellnot that I know of, maybe doko knows how?22:59
lex79I think he has also a ppa for doing this23:00
debfxRiddell: I have a new patch for kmozillahelper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407288/23:24
larsiviRiddell: re network-manager - it has been like that for me for 30 hours (at least)23:27
Riddellwibble23:28
Riddelldebfx: groovy23:28
Riddelldebfx: not sure I'll get to that tonight, will try23:28
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Riddellnixternal: just rebooted, looking lovely23:30
Riddell-Architecture: any23:32
Riddell+Architecture: i386 amd64 ia64 powerpc sparc23:32
RiddellScottK, NCommander: told you the fix for kdebindings would be easy :)23:32
debfxRiddell: no problem, thanks23:35
on3_ghi to all23:45
Quintasanon3_g: hello23:45
on3_ghello Quintasan23:45
on3_gQuintasan u know how can i get some mentoring for kubuntu packaging?23:46
OxymoronHey guys I discovered a bug that I wasnt able to fix until now. I tried everything with nvidia, xserver, mplayer, xine, remove ~/.kde, remove cairo-dock and everything I tried and nothing worked not in karmic and not in Lucid after an upgrade. The problem was that in VLC, Kaffeine and DragonPlayer especially I got a transparent window in video window, which mean that I saw the image from the things beneath video player. In23:47
OxymoronKAffeine and Dragonplayer I bug searched in temrinal and got problem that ibus couldnt be initialized or something like that. Then I checked and ibus-qt4 was installed but not ibus itself. I installed that and then it magicly works perfect again. I dont know, is this bug known or not?23:47
Riddellon3_g: ask away23:47
Quintasanon3_g: First of all, I'd recommend that you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete23:47
RiddellOxymoron: you installed ibus and it showed the video?23:47
Quintasanon3_g: and as Riddell said you can ask here if you run into problems23:48
OxymoronRiddell: Yes, well installed ibus restarted xserver because xserver was updated some configs by ibus config. Then it just worked.23:49
yofelRiddell: acutally ubuntu-desktop recommends ibus ibus-gtk -m17n and -table, kubuntu-destkop only recommends ibus-qt423:49
on3_gRiddel, Quintasan: i'm gonna read Packaging Guide and start to work23:50
RiddellOxymoron: that's nuts23:50
OxymoronRiddell: As far as I know I havent removed ibus or anything like that before. I have been struggling around with this in ages since long time ago and never got any solution in karmic and couldnt find out what problem were.23:50
RiddellOxymoron: what happens if you remove ibus again?23:50
OxymoronRiddell: Yes tell me about it, but now I am happy as I dont know :)23:50
OxymoronRiddell: I dont going to remove ibus now when it work23:51
yofelOxymoron: do you remember if installing ibus pulled other packages with it?23:52
Oxymoronyofel: Yes, some other libibus and maybe one or to more packages but I dont remember which ones.23:53
Oxymoronyofel: Is it possible to see bash cache output I can check?23:53
yofelOxymoron: rather the dpkg log I think /var/log/apt/history.log (or term.log)23:55
Oxymoronyofel: Yes here we have it: ""23:57
OxymoronStart-Date: 2010-04-01  00:33:4323:57
OxymoronInstall: libibus1 (1.2.0.20091215-1ubuntu4), python-appindicator (0.0.18-0ubuntu1), ibus (1.2.0.20091215-1ubuntu4), python-ibus (1.2.0.20091215-1ubuntu4)23:57
OxymoronEnd-Date: 2010-04-01  00:34:0123:57
Oxymoronyofel: That was when I run apt-get install ibus23:57
Oxymoronsudo apt-get install ibus* xD23:57
yofelthanks23:57
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Oxymoronyofel: Hopefully noone else will get this problem again. Weird I havent heard from more people with same problem.23:59
OxymoronMaybe most people use VLC :D23:59

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