[00:00] <joli> avis: if u need speed above all, just put your entire system on RAM
[00:00] <avis> i've only got 4gb
[00:00] <avis> at the moment
[00:01] <avis> the 8gb to avoid swapping sounds good, if swap does indeed slow things down
[00:01] <penguin42> 8GB is very pleasent
[00:01] <penguin42> you can do truly crazy things and still not run out
[00:02] <joli> of course it slows things down...swaping is just mapping on the disk things that can't go into RAM because RAM is full
[00:02] <avis> well if swap does slow things down that much, it be worth looking into
[00:02] <ddecator_> i only have 3gb =(
[00:03] <joli> I have 1,5 GB
[00:03] <joli> enough for my personal use
[00:03] <yofel> I have a nice range: eeePC 2, thinkpad 4, desktop 6GB ^^
[00:03] <yofel> *GiB
[00:04] <ddecator_> yah, i sacrificed a gig and got a lightweight laptop that's easier to carry around =)
[00:04] <lullabud> just upgraded a GUI machine of mine to lucid... first experience with the left-side buttons.
[00:05] <ubuntujenkins> Is it possible to have nm-applet running in two user accounts at the same time?
[00:05] <lullabud> honestly, i don't mind the location, but it just doesn't *look* right.  the right side of the toolbar is vacuous.
[00:06] <arand> lullabud: supposedly they have plans for Lucid+1 to populate that area (with what I have no idea, and if it's beneficial I highly doubt).
 well if swap does slow things down that much, it be worth looking into
[00:07] <danopia> it would, depending on how often the swapped memory is accessed
[00:07] <ZykoticK9> arand, isn't Gnome3 scheduled for Lucid+1 -- doesn't that change the whole ballgame?
[00:07] <avis> danopia, how can i monitor that ?
[00:08] <lullabud> arand: as long as they don't put a penguin version of clippy...  "it looks like you're trying to generate a certificate signing request!"
[00:08] <avis> is there something that logs swap statistics ?
[00:08]  * penguin42 bounces along next to lullabud and waves a flipper at the Yes button
[00:08] <lullabud> avis: vmstat
[00:08] <danopia> avis, if you are using swap and your HDD light is solid then the swapped memory is being used :P
[00:08] <ddecator_> ZykoticK9: last i heard it is
[00:08] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: I'm really hoping that doesn't mean Gnome-shell
[00:09] <ddecator_> gnome-shell + zeitgeist
[00:09] <ZykoticK9> penguin42, i'm under the impression Gnome3 (more-or-less) = Gnome-shell
[00:09] <jmcs>  I've just installed lucid beta 1. While most things are working great, the console transparency isn't working as it should (I'm using compiz and it looks the same it would without compositing). Anyone as any idea why this is happening?
[00:09] <joli> lullabud: just google for esfera and ubuntu
[00:09] <danopia> lullabud, i do need help with my CSRs sometimes :P
[00:09] <penguin42> ZykoticK9: Yeh
[00:09] <arand> ZykoticK9: possibly, but gnome3 still uses window controls as usual last time I checked..
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> In part I believe the button placement is warming people up for the actual dramatic change of Gnome3
[00:10] <avis> my vmstat is at 0 and i've got 115728 free 59908 buffer and 3502860 for cache
[00:10] <lullabud> danopia: exactly!  so the last thing you need is a dopy assistant urging you to do all of the things you already know how to do but don't need to do at that point in time!
[00:10] <avis> 0 for swpd
[00:11] <ZykoticK9> I also now see a reason for putting a GUI on a server release -- Lucid server will be supported for 5 years, so that gives lots of time for Gnome3 to get the kinks out - or find a new DE
[00:11] <avis> is it possible alsa 1.0.22 will make it into lucid release ?
[00:11] <lullabud> avis: well, looks like you don't need more memory or more swap
[00:11] <centaur5> Did something change with apt-get in Lucid? I installed beta 1 server today and when trying to install gnome-core or even ubuntu-desktop it gives a long list of dependencies it won't automatically fetch?
[00:12] <danopia> lullabud, maybe if it popped up a google search window when it detects that the keys pressed on the keyboard resemble a face in the current layout.... :P
[00:12] <avis> lullabud, sound great
[00:12] <yofel> centaur5: see topic
[00:12] <lullabud> danopia: LOL
[00:12] <danopia> yofel, when will the packages be good again?
[00:12] <yofel> danopia: give it a day or 2
[00:12] <Random832> so if i want to upgrade early, what's the "approved" way to do that?
[00:13] <yofel> Random832: from karmic?
[00:13] <lullabud> Random832: update-manager -d ?
[00:13] <centaur5> yofel: Sorry about that, I'll just wait it out then.  :)
[00:13] <Random832> actually karmic netbook remix - i couldn't get karmic to install
[00:13] <akio> How are people changing cpu frequencies for multiple cores at once?
[00:13] <danopia> yofel, wait so i can't actually get 10.04 for a couple days?
[00:13] <Random832> the version of grub in karmic doesn't work right on my laptop so i want to upgrade now when i have some time to iron out the issues
[00:14] <danopia> why would it take that long
[00:14] <yofel> Random832: run 'update-manager -d' but please wait a day or 2, we have a lot of broken dependencies right now
[00:14] <akio> I usually use the applet, but with 4 cores now that is a little cumbersome.
[00:14] <Random832> ok
[00:14] <yofel> danopia: feel free to try it, but chances are high that it will fail
[00:14] <joli> -G- guys
[00:14] <joli> esfera anyone??
[00:14] <danopia> yofel, it does
[00:14] <joli> https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01097.html
[00:14] <ddecator_> booooo
[00:14] <arand> Oh, I just pulled a testing hardy2lucid upgrade, let's see how much that's gonna break...
[00:14] <danopia> yofel, why does it take days to update them?
[00:14] <lullabud> yay, skype launches in karmic
[00:14] <joli> that's what the're discusing to put in the place of the old buttons
[00:15] <joli> jus't an idea as far i can tell
[00:15] <nick125> arand: I can hear stuff shattering from here.
[00:15] <joli> seems promising, although the guy that proposed it doesn't have a clue about how it can be done :)
[00:16] <yofel> danopia: because gnome consists of a few dozen packages that depend on each other and we don't have enough builders to finish that in a few hours (not to mention something might fail and needs to be fixed)
[00:16] <joli> since he is proposing an object that doesn't fit in the titlebar
[00:16] <ddecator_> joli: i like the ability to write notes on the back of windows, but not wild about drawing and X to close...plus it looks terrible
[00:16] <ddecator_> s/and/an
[00:16] <joli> ddecator_: it would be painfull to do the gesture without a real mouse
[00:16] <joli> if you have a touchpad for isntance..
[00:17] <danopia> yofel, can't you do that on a seperate repo and just copy files over?
[00:17] <ddecator_> joli: thankfully the buttons should still be on the left, so you can just click X =p
[00:17] <lullabud> joli: interesting....
[00:17] <joli> ehehe
[00:17] <joli> we hope so
[00:17] <danopia>   Esfera of Firefox moved to Esfera of another Firefox window: same thing; windows are mixed.
[00:17] <lullabud> i think it would be painful period.  who the hell moves their cursor in the shape of an x?
[00:17] <lullabud> how is that easier than clicking an x?
[00:17] <danopia> like Chrome with tabs?
[00:17] <yofel> danopia: we don't have a seperate repos, the devel release makes absolutely no guarantees about package states
[00:18] <yofel> danopia: if you don't want to risk this don't use devel releases
[00:18] <danopia> yofel, i want to use them
[00:18] <danopia> i'm running 9.10 and want to try 10.04
[00:18] <yofel> danopia: then use them with caution ;)
[00:19] <danopia> yofel, but i can't use them, that's hte problem
[00:19] <danopia> the distro upgrader fails
[00:19] <danopia> so i guess i'll wait
[00:19] <ddecator_> danopia: maybe just use testdrive for now?
[00:19] <yofel> danopia: nothing we can do about that, upgrades are somewhat guaranteed to work again in a week when beta2 come out. We force the repos into a stable state then.
[00:20] <BluesKaj> danopia, what is the failure message upon upgrade ?
 i tried upgrading a wubi ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 and it said it "could not calculate the upgrade" in the "setting new software channels" step, after it does something abuot the package manager and uses a bit of CPU. is this common?
[00:21] <BluesKaj> wubi doesn't do alpha and beta releases, danopia
[00:22] <danopia> i was just giong to upgrade from within the running system, i figured that then wubi woudln't be involved in the upgrade
[00:23] <danopia> i used `update-manager -d`
[00:23] <almoxarife> I debified irssi on lucid, is there a place to turn in something like that? or is the the deb I created specific to my hardware?
[00:23] <BluesKaj> it is , danopia
[00:23] <maxb> !info irssi
[00:23] <maxb> almoxarife: It's already there ^
[00:23] <ddecator_> i love irssi
[00:23] <yofel> almoxarife: if you have the source not, but ask in #ubuntu-motu please. (didn't be talk about this already?)
[00:23] <yofel> s/be/we/
[00:24] <almoxarife> yofel: we may have
[00:24] <yofel> almoxarife: as I said, ask the motu folks, there is REVU for user uploads, but they'll reject it I think
[00:24] <dbugger> Hi guys
[00:25] <dbugger> Can someo1 help me? Beta1 seems to freeze for me. Not really freeze, cos I can move my mouse and stuff, but no ammount of clicking gets me anywhre. CTRL ALT FX gets me to the terminal with some time delay... but that's about it..
[00:25] <nightsjammies> Why is my Opera Browser closing?
[00:26] <yofel> dbugger: can you login in a tty and check with top if a process is stuck?
[00:27] <yofel> nightsjammies: closing as in ... crashing?
[00:27] <nightsjammies> It  immediately tells me that it crashes when I open it up, and yet it still lets me use it.
[00:28] <billybigrigger_> nightsjammies, yeah empathy crashes for me all the time, yet it still runs fine
[00:28] <yofel> billybigrigger_: that's ... interesting ^^
[00:28] <nightsjammies> It also won't let me send a crash report because it's not ubuntu software..go figure.
[00:28] <nightsjammies> Other than that, it's working fine.
[00:29] <Berzerker> perhaps I should move over here
[00:29] <Berzerker> I'm trying to install lucid on a RAID, has anyone done this?
[00:30] <billybigrigger_> yofel, is that a joke? haha
[00:30] <billybigrigger_> telepathy_butterfly crashes constantly on my laptop, and on my desktop
[00:30] <yofel> I can't really add anything there as I don't use gnome, maybe some gtk bug?
[00:31] <dbugger> yofel, im now in windows, can you tell me exactly what I should do?
[00:31] <billybigrigger_> telepathy butterfly is the msn protocol so i could be my msn account screwing things up
[00:31] <dbugger> I have to change OS and it's a tedious process. I'd rather get as much done as possible in one turn
[00:32] <nightsjammies> RAID!
[00:33] <nightsjammies> Oh, sorry..
[00:33] <Berzerker> lol
[00:33] <penguin42> nightsjammies: Please don't do that
[00:33] <penguin42> it's scary
[00:33] <Berzerker> so anyone?
[00:33] <nightsjammies> :D
[00:33] <nightsjammies> INS then? Or is it ICE now?
[00:33] <yofel> dbugger: er... hardly with that little information, I would first login to a tty (F1), run 'top' there and check if there's a process using 100% cpu and try to kill it, then try to sort it by RAM useage by pressing '>' in top to see if a process used up all system memory I guess and try to kill it with 'kill <pid>'
[00:34] <nightsjammies> Sorry, that was kinda mean, huh?
[00:34] <penguin42> Berzerker: I haven't tried, if I were, I'd do it from the alternate CD
[00:34] <yofel> dbugger: if that doesn't help then I'm not sure where to start
[00:34] <dbugger> yofel, is not a bug many people have run into???
[00:34] <Berzerker> penguin42: that's what I'm downloading now
[00:34] <nightsjammies> Berzerker: whatcha tryin' to do?
[00:34] <akio> Is there a way to set the governor on all cores simultaneously?
[00:34] <dbugger> yofel, it's happening to me directly with the live CD
[00:34] <dbugger> I was hoping for a fix somewhere
[00:34] <yofel> dbugger: oh? hm...
[00:35] <Berzerker> nightsjammies: install on an SSD RAID
[00:35] <yofel> could be something else then
[00:35] <nightsjammies> I have to google that..
[00:35] <nightsjammies> Wait, solid state?
[00:35] <Berzerker> yeah
[00:35] <Berzerker> I read the KB article about it
[00:35] <dbugger> should be something else... but I have no idea what.. :S
[00:35] <yofel> Berzerker: that's too fast :P
[00:35] <Berzerker> seems easy enough, just wondering on how well it works
[00:35] <nightsjammies> I know nuffin' on it :)
[00:35] <Berzerker> yofel: heh getting 350MB/s sequential read on Windows
[00:36] <Berzerker> yofel: 75MB/s 4k random read/write
[00:36] <yofel> ^^
 nightsjammies: install on an SSD RAID
[00:37] <danopia> SSD RAID? really?
[00:37] <Berzerker> yeah
[00:37] <Berzerker> mostly for space
[00:37] <Berzerker> they're 2 40GBs
[00:37] <Berzerker> was cheaper than an 80GB at the time
[00:37] <penguin42> Berzerker: The important thing with RAID, and I guess particularly on SSD is to make sure you keep the alignments - make sure the filesystem starts on a multiple of whatever the SSD block size is
[00:37] <Berzerker> penguin42: I have no idea what that means
[00:37] <Berzerker> lol
[00:37] <Berzerker> oh like if it's 64k block size
[00:38] <penguin42> yeh, you don't want to start the filesystem on a 32k block boundary with a 64k block size because any one fs write would end up writing two blocks of storage
[00:38] <Berzerker> I'll have to have you walk me through that step when I get to it
[00:39] <penguin42> Berzerker: I'm not sure if I know the right way; but the important thing is to think about partition alignments to match any RAID block sizes
 was cheaper than an 80GB at the time
[00:39] <danopia> but..... if it's RAID then you end up with 40GB
[00:39] <Berzerker> danopia: RAID 0
[00:39] <danopia> isn't RAID 0 the same as no RAID?
[00:39] <Berzerker> no
[00:39] <danopia> or does that stitch the two drives into one
[00:39] <Berzerker> it's striping
[00:39] <Berzerker> yes
[00:40] <Berzerker> it's JBOD but it utilizes the speed of both drives at once
[00:40] <Berzerker> so essentially doubles the speed
[00:40] <danopia> two 40GB drives shouldn't be cheaper than one 80GB though :P
[00:40] <Berzerker> but it also has overhead so not exactly double
[00:40] <Berzerker> danopia: the ones I got were on sale
[00:40] <nick125> RAID 0 makes me sad :(
[00:40] <danopia> why?
[00:40] <Berzerker> danopia: when the Kingston V-Series 40GB SSDs came out, they  had $30 rebates, so $180 for 2 vs. $220 for 1
[00:40] <danopia> ah
[00:41] <Berzerker> for essentially the same performance
[00:41] <Berzerker> or better in other cases
[00:41] <nick125> danopia: Because it doubles the likelihood of failure. If _ONE_ drive fails, the entire array is gone.
[00:41] <danopia> i'm replacing an old dying 500GB drive with a new one, and hte old one (as it's from my windows days) is NTFS
[00:41] <danopia> i'm debating if i shuold use ext3 or ntfs on the new drive
[00:41] <ZykoticK9> nick125, +1
[00:41] <nick125> danopia: ext4
[00:41] <nick125> :)
[00:41] <danopia> it's for a secondary storage drive
[00:42] <Berzerker> before I try this out
[00:42] <Berzerker> I want someone to answer this...what's the program that people use that shows computer info layed out on the desktop
[00:42] <Berzerker> like RAM usage, CPU usage, etc.
[00:42] <yofel> that reminds me... I should change my storage drives from ext3 to ext4. ext3 takes too long to fsck on 1TB ^^
[00:42] <danopia> nick125, my current 500G is dying and it already has ~200 bad sectors
[00:42] <Berzerker> media controls, etc.
[00:42] <danopia> 641 bad sectores!!?!?
[00:42] <danopia> it was like 200 a cuople days ago
[00:43] <dbugger> Noone has experiences problems with the LiveCD?? The mouse not responding to clicks, just moving around??
[00:43] <penguin42> danopia: When a drive goes like that it can die very fast
[00:44] <yofel> dbugger: we had a lot of livediks issues actually, what's your graphics card btw.?
[00:44] <yofel> *disk
[00:44] <danopia> penguin42, it's been losing sectors since half a year ago
[00:44] <danopia> recently it's been going into readonly failsafe mode
[00:44] <danopia> the new drive finally arrives tomorrow
[00:44] <penguin42> danopia: If you have any really important data take a copy *NOW*
[00:45] <dbugger> yofel, ati radeon express
[00:45] <danopia> penguin42, i don't have enough free space but i was considering yanking the 320GB SATA out of my laptop and copying to that
[00:46] <arand> How come gnome 2.30 is being pulled in at this late stage anyways?
[00:46] <penguin42> danopia: just copy the really important stuff over the network to it
[00:46] <nick125> danopia: You're going to have to prioritize then.
[00:46] <penguin42> Arand: Because it's just the tweak to the pre-release we've been running
[00:46] <yofel> ok, I have no idea how ati work
[00:46] <penguin42> arand: The 2.29.xx Lucid currently have is the equivalent of Gnomes alpha release for Gnome 2.30
[00:46] <arand> patdk-wk: Ah, right, suspected as much.
[00:47] <arand> patdk-wk: sorry, meant for penguin42
[00:48] <penguin42> dbugger: can you do an lspci | grep VGA   - it should have a one line answer
[00:56] <dbugger> penguin42, I can tell you exactly... ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M
[00:58] <dbugger> penguin42, I've done that command hundreds of time :P
[00:58] <penguin42> dbugger: Well the X server I'm running (which is the one from xorg-edgers, not the official Lucid release) lists Xpress 200M under a variety of different IDs - so it should be supported, I doubt there is difference between the Lucid and the one I'm running for that
[00:58] <penguin42> dbugger: If you open up your /var/log/Xorg.0.log you should see it recognise it
[01:00] <dbugger> penguin42, never had this kind of trouble with previous releases of ubuntu, so it shouldnt be the card, right?
[01:00] <Psi-Jack> lullabud: Coitenly. ;)
[01:00] <lullabud> w00t!
[01:00] <jeffesquivel> hi, is anyone experiencing freezes on lucid beta 1 netbook edition?
[01:00] <arand> Cool, hardy2lucid seemed to complete fine, panel icon reset required, but otherwise np..
[01:01] <penguin42> dbugger: I agree, although this version now has kernel mode switching support for it and open source drivers for 3d
[01:01] <dbugger> penguin42, so any idea what I should do?
[01:01] <azredwing> Anyone around? I've got an issue with Lucid that I don't know how to deal with: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1441374
[01:01] <penguin42> dbugger: No! What was the symptom again?
[01:01] <lullabud> Psi-Jack: dist-upgrade doesn't work... it's like... sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[01:02] <arand> or update-manager -d for graphical way
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> Oh. Ubuntu's dist-upgrade is still broken like that di?
[01:02] <Psi-Jack> eh?
[01:02] <dbugger> penguin42, basically I can move the mouse, but nothing responds....
[01:03] <penguin42> dbugger: I've seen that in the past on things where the X server gets wedged in odd ways
[01:03] <lullabud> Psi-Jack: dist-upgrade only upgrades within the current release, but does kernel and stuff.
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> hmm
[01:03] <penguin42> dbugger: Anything odd in dmesg?
[01:03] <Psi-Jack> Definitely different than how Debian's dist-upgrade works. LOL
[01:03] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: the do-release-upgrade has a pile of fix-ups that get applied as well
[01:03] <lullabud> Psi-Jack: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[01:03] <arand> dist-upgrade has never been the way to do a distribution-upgrade in ubuntu, ironically.
[01:04] <dbugger> penguin42, what's dmesg?
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> penguin42: I see.. That could technically have been done by packaging methods, though. But ahh well. ;)
[01:04] <penguin42> arand: Although the only way I and anyone else I know has ever found out is from someone telling them here!
[01:04] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: I said that and then people came up with examples I've forgotten which would have been difficult
[01:04] <penguin42> dbugger: It's the kernel messages
[01:04] <arand> penguin42: True, altohuth it is documented in upgrade notes I think
[01:05] <Psi-Jack> penguin42: Heh. I know Debian inside and out.. They've never needed a custom dist-upgrade approach. ;)
[01:05] <dbugger> penguin42, not really!
[01:06] <penguin42> dbugger: Just run dmesg in a shell and look at the last few lines of output and see if they look like errors, or put them in a pastebin
[01:06] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: Yeh I agree I was somewhat surprised
[01:06] <arand> Well, it's still possible to do it via changing all repos and the running dist-upgrade, and it's the only way in pre-alpha releases afaik, but it's not recommended.
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> heh
[01:06] <Psi-Jack> Now, 10.04 has apparently both a Server and UEC image. is it not included on the Server CD anymore?
[01:07] <arand> Psi-Jack: does debian change the repo references automatically on apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:07] <arand> Psi-Jack: Or is it done manually?
[01:07] <Psi-Jack> arand: No, you do that yourself, apt-get apt, then use the new apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to the newer distribution in full.
[01:08] <yofel> well, do-release-upgrade still has it's reason, a) you don't have to edit anything b) it makes sure ppas are diabled
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> heh
[01:09]  * yofel usually uses manual dist-uprade with aptitude though, works fine as long as you know what you're doing
[01:09]  * arand was just about to say the exact same as yofel, meh
[01:09] <yofel> ^^
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> Alrighty! UEC installation underway. ;)
[01:10] <penguin42> Psi-Jack: I think it's primarily there so that they can fix the sins of old packaging mistakes
[01:11] <Psi-Jack> penguin42: Debian does that in their packages already. hehehe
[01:11] <yofel> that should be managable with dpkg too though...
[01:11] <Berzerker-> lynx is niiiiice
[01:11] <Berzerker-> time to switch
[01:11] <Psi-Jack> They just put the checks and balances in the .deb's, to check for the old to the new. ;)
[01:11] <DG19075> you could also use aptitude-update, then aptitude safe-upgrade
[01:12]  * yofel makes some advertising for aptitudes ncurses interface... run 'sudo aptitude' and find out what it is
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> Alright.
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> I need some quick tidbits about UEC for the Cloud installation mode.
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> I have options for: Cloud controller, Walrus storage service, Cluster controller, Storage controller, and Node controller.
[01:13] <dbugger> penguin42, no error messages :S
[01:13] <penguin42> dbugger: when it hangs does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[01:13] <dbugger> penguin42, it takes some seconds, but eventually goes to the terminal
[01:14] <penguin42> dbugger: OK, when that happens do the dmesg see if there is a 'smoking gun' in the dmesg output, similarly look at the bottom of /var/log/Xorg.0.log  and also see if anything else is going on odd, do a top and see what's running
[01:14] <Psi-Jack> This particular system I'm installing on now is intended to be the primary controller.
[01:15] <Psi-Jack> But I don't see what describes these 5 components.
[01:15] <neothecat> hello.  besides firefox, is there any issues with sun java 6 on lucid?  openjdk seems really slow for netbeans
[01:16] <Psi-Jack> What is Walrus?
[01:16] <arand> dbugger: penguin42: getting on irssi from terminal might be an idea? so as to not need to jump each time...
[01:18] <dbugger> what's irssi?
[01:19] <arand> dbugger: terminal-based irc client.
[01:20] <dbugger> good idea. I'll do that and be right back!
[01:23] <ZykoticK9> neothecat, if you add the partner repo you can install sun-java if you wish
[01:24] <neothecat> ZykoticK9: is there any known issues with sun-java?
[01:24] <mccolgan> Any good ideas on a simple image editor I could use (pretty much for just cropping images)?
[01:24] <ZykoticK9> neothecat, not that i'm aware of - you can check launchpad
[01:25] <penguin42> mccolgan: F-spot
[01:26] <mccolgan> penguin42: thanks
[01:27] <neothecat> ZykoticK9: thanks for your help
[01:27] <ZykoticK9> neothecat, i didn't really do much :) but glad to help
[01:29] <dbugger> Ok, im in irssi :)
[01:29] <dbugger> penguin42: what now?
[01:29] <penguin42> dbugger: So it just stalled?
[01:29] <dbugger> Yeah, the gnome is stalled, the terminal are working fine
[01:30] <dbugger> Im getting a error message in the terminal
[01:31] <dbugger> something about "radeon_fence_wall"
[01:31] <penguin42> what's that error?
[01:31] <Berzerker-> is there a problem with the nvidia drivers on the beta?
[01:32] <dbugger> [drm:radeon_fence_wait] *ERROR* fence(blablablablablabla) 516ms timeout
[01:32] <penguin42> dbugger: OK, that does sound like a radeon bug - copy that dmesg to a file (dmesg > afile) and a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log) and then lets see if you can get that to a pastebin
[01:32] <dbugger> penguin42: impossible to access firefox from here now
[01:32] <penguin42> dbugger: Yeh, so take a copy of those files and we can do that when you get back to firefox
[01:33] <dbugger> penguin42: not sure how to save that info, since ... wait
[01:33] <dbugger> how can I kill the X? the error message keepa appearing and it's messing my irssi
[01:33] <penguin42> just do   dmesg > dmesg.whenbroken      and   cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorg.whenbroken
[01:33] <dbugger> I think killing the X will help
[01:33] <penguin42> NO!
[01:34] <penguin42> don't kill X until AFTER you take a copy of those
[01:34] <dbugger> so what's the command to do those things? Please help me here cos I can barely read your messages between all the errors flooding my screen
[01:35] <penguin42>  dmesg > dmesg.whenbroken      and   cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorg.whenbroken
[01:36] <penguin42> if you do setterm -msg off   it might stop them all scrolling past
[01:37] <dbugger> the xorg command you gave me isnt working :S
[01:37] <dbugger> care to type it again, it's lost in all the text :S
[01:37] <penguin42>  dmesg > dmesg.whenbroken      and   cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorg.whenbroken
[01:38] <dbugger> ok
[01:38] <dbugger> both files created
[01:38] <dbugger> now what?
[01:38] <penguin42> dbugger: Now, remember the names of those files and get it back to a working system with a web browser
[01:39] <dbugger> imposible, only have this broken ubuntu and Win
[01:39] <dbugger> :S
[01:39] <penguin42> dbugger: Does it immediately hang on that ubuntu or just after a while?
[01:39] <dbugger> Tell me how to kill X and I might MIGHT get it
[01:39] <arand> dbugger: penguin42 "sudo aptitude install pastebinit" right?
[01:39] <dbugger> it doenst really hang.
[01:39] <dbugger> It all works well, but then I try to open a dialogue window, like to turn off compiz and it happens
[01:40] <penguin42> dbugger: Do you think you can get it as far as starting firefox if you reboot it?
[01:40] <dbugger> then the menus stop working and the clock applet stops unfolding
[01:40] <jeffesquivel> dbugger, are you having freezes on lucid netbook edition?
[01:40] <dbugger> penguin42: I might, but tell me how to kill the X so I might try in thissession, please
[01:40] <penguin42> dbugger: Switch back to the X console, (ctrl-alt-f7?) then alt-sysrq-k
[01:41] <dbugger> sysrq-k?? what is that??
[01:41] <ZykoticK9> dbugger, sysrq is printscreen on my keyboard
[01:41] <dbugger> ah ok
[01:41] <dbugger> alt - Impr pant - K ??
[01:41] <dbugger> never heard that combination
[01:43] <penguin42> dbugger: alt-sysrq-k kills all programs on the current console
[01:46] <anao> hello whats meaning of "Packages are in-flux"?
[01:46] <dbugger_> ey
[01:46] <penguin42> anao: They're changing
[01:46] <dbugger_> back
[01:46] <anao> ok
[01:46] <dbugger_> no use, I cant open firefox
[01:46] <yofel> anao: broken dependencies
[01:47] <Stik> that why nvidia drivers wont install?
[01:47] <anao> current at change, when it is closed?
[01:47] <yofel> Stik: not sure, what error do you get?
[01:47] <anao> next hours?
[01:47] <penguin42> dbugger_: Hmm, see if you can copy those files off to your windows machine, and then try rebooting adding   radeon.modeset=0 to the kernel boto line
[01:48] <dbugger_> penguin42: I cant copy it... seems like my windows partition is not mounted for some reason :S
[01:48] <Stik> tried last night and they seemed to install but wouldn't work so I tried manually installing and got some gcc mismatch error... dist-upgrade today and tried again and package manager spits out Sorry, installation of this driver failed.
[01:49] <yofel> anao: could be, but it could take a day or 2 too, the packages are still being built
[01:49] <yofel> gcc mismatch error?
[01:49] <penguin42> dbugger_: Hmm, in that case I can only suggest you file a bug report from your other machines web browser; try and get the error that was in that dmesg
[01:49] <Stik> jockey.log just spit this... 2010-03-30 17:38:23,021 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler device sections ({0: ['\tIdentifier\t"Default Device"\n', '\tOption\t"NoLogo"\t"True"\n', '\tDriver\t"nvidia"\n']})
[01:49] <yofel> Stik: can you try to install the  driver in a terminal and pastebin the output?
[01:50] <dbugger_> oh yes, copied with success! brb!
[01:52] <dbugger> back
[01:53] <dbugger> http://pastebin.com/sF25asxh
[01:54] <dbugger> http://pastebin.com/8tM5bEhN
[01:54] <dbugger> those are the files
[01:55] <penguin42> dbugger: OK, those are good - they have stuff saying it's stuck
[01:55] <penguin42> dbugger: File those as a bug
[01:56] <dbugger> Im not sure how to do that...
[01:56] <dbugger> scratch that... I have no idea how to do that
[01:56] <penguin42> ok, just give me a sec
[01:57] <penguin42> dbugger: Fill in the forms here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+filebug?no-redirect   include those files, start the note by saying that the machine wasn't stable enough to be able to use the automated tools
[01:58] <dbugger> and anyway I should fix it?
[01:59] <penguin42> ?
[01:59] <penguin42> oh
[02:00] <Stik> I am assuming you meant install via apt? http://pastebin.com/wXBhfdsQ
[02:00] <penguin42> dbugger: You could try booting adding the line radeon.modeset=0 to the kernel boot
[02:00] <jleeperry> Um, I just added an account for me, and deleted my wife's account, and the system won't allow me any super-user priveleges..how do I fix this?
[02:00] <dbugger> Please report bugs against xserver-xorg-video-ati with this command:
[02:00] <dbugger>   $ ubuntu-bug -p xserver-xorg-video-ati
[02:00] <dbugger> :P, how am I to use a command in a system not working...?
[02:01] <penguin42> dbugger: When did it say that? the URL I gave you is supposed to let you avoid that
[02:01] <yofel> Stik: ok, it should be installed fine now, as you didn't use jockey run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' to activate it and see if it works now
[02:01] <virtuald> jleeperry: add yourself to the admin group
[02:01] <jleeperry> how? in terminal?
[02:01] <yofel> penguin42: I think it's the reporting instructions below the details window on the bug reporting page
[02:02] <penguin42> dbugger: Oh that's just the guidelines - that's useful when it only breaks some of the time
[02:02] <jleeperry> because I'm not allowed access to the users and groups dropdown.
[02:02] <Stik> This normal? Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default
[02:02] <Stik>                   Screen".
[02:02] <Berzerker-> penguin42, hey do you have a link to the RAID article on the ubuntu DB
[02:02] <Berzerker-> KB*
[02:02] <penguin42> Berzerker-: No
[02:02] <holstein> !binutils
[02:03] <virtuald> jleeperry: if you don't have a root password set you have to reboot to recovery mode
[02:03] <Stik> brb
[02:03] <holstein> anybody got binutils not ugrading?
[02:03] <virtuald> jleeperry: i hope that doesn't ask for a password. if it does then boot with the init=/bin/sh boot parameter
[02:03] <jleeperry> recovery mode?
[02:04] <virtuald> jleeperry: yes in the grub menu
[02:04] <jleeperry> virtuald: you just lost me there.
[02:04] <virtuald> ok
[02:04] <jleeperry> okay. I'll try it.
[02:04] <virtuald> jleeperry: do you know how to get to the grub menu?
[02:04] <yofel> holstein: upgrading to what? newest here is 2.20.1-3ubuntu1
[02:05] <yofel> (i386)
[02:05] <virtuald> jleeperry: also the command you need to type when at the # prompt is adduser yourusername admin
[02:05] <jleeperry> I do.
[02:06] <holstein> yofel: i'll look
[02:06] <holstein> im trying aptitude
[02:06] <yofel> I have a bunch of packages held back here thanks to gnome 2.30
[02:06] <yofel> but not binutils
[02:08] <holstein> hmmm, i got 2.20.1-3ubuntu1 and looks like there is a 2.20.1ubuntu2
[02:08] <penguin42> time for bed
[02:08] <holstein> I MEAN 2.20.1-3ubuntu2 available*
[02:08] <yofel> guess my mirror is out-of-date
[02:09] <yofel> oh yeah, binutils was just built on a few architectures
[02:10] <Tm_T> still building in others
[02:10] <holstein> The following packages have been kept back: binutils
[02:10] <holstein> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[02:10] <Tm_T> holstein: just wait for some hours and it should be done
[02:10]  * holstein will just wait a few days..
[02:10] <holstein> Tm_T: thanks
[02:11]  * holstein can wait :)
[02:11] <histo> holstein: you hit it right in the middle of the packages being updated on the repos
[02:12] <holstein> i have excellent timing ;)
[02:13] <histo> I have parted gnome-panel and somethign else being held back
[02:13] <histo> and udisks
[02:13] <histo> its jsut part of the issues with running a beta and dist-ugprading holstein.
[02:14] <holstein> im cool with it histo, i just wanted to make sure its not something that needed reporting
[02:15] <holstein> i did udisks seperately
[02:15] <holstein> in synaptic
[02:15] <holstein> and it went through
[02:19] <nightsjammies> Okay, I lied. I didn't actually delete my wife's account. Is it possible to just change the default username to reflect what I want instead?
[02:20] <myk_robinson> evening
[02:20] <nightsjammies> Evening :)
[02:20] <qwertyjustin> hi
[02:20] <myk_robinson> Got a laptop with intel graphics, unable to adjust screen brightness. It worked fine in 9.10  anyone else able to duplicate?
[02:22] <nightsjammies> I guess I want to change the username. Is that possible?
[02:22] <qwertyjustin> Trying to have constant access to /var/www without having to sudo copy or sudo nautilus all the time to copy or update files. how can i have admin or root style privelidges constantly, for my login, for this folder?
[02:23] <myk_robinson> a little more info regarding the screen brightness adjust, the onscreen indicator does show, albeit delayed, but the screen brightness is not actually adjusted.
[02:24] <Amaranth> myk_robinson: would this by any chance be a macbook?
[02:25] <myk_robinson> negative, it is an Asus K50IJ laptop
[02:26] <billybigrigger_> my screen brightness adjusts just fine, ati based laptop...but the notification bar doesn't move up and down like it should, volume sliders work perfect
[02:31] <myk_robinson> i have read some info that says passing the nomodeset option at boot enables screen brightness again.. haven't tried it yet, though. Still reading
[02:31] <Sarvatt> just a heads up not to update at the moment because xserver is waiting for evdev and synaptics to be uploaded and things are broken in the interim
[02:32] <yofel> Sarvatt: the topic already advises not to update anyway
[02:32] <lullabud> i did an update today with zero problems... i didn't even notice the topic.
[02:32] <yofel> we could actually add kde to the broken list too...
[02:33] <lullabud> i guess i got by lucky
[02:33] <holstein> DUDE...
[02:33] <Sarvatt> yofel: ah good timing then :)
[02:33] <myk_robinson> Sarvatt: rough guestimation of when things will be ready? I performed a few updates before chatting. Perhaps I should leave this running overnight and run updates again in the morning
[02:33] <Sarvatt> don't reboot myk_robinson :)
[02:33] <holstein> i should always /topic before upgrading
[02:33] <yofel> lullabud: it worked fine on my eeePC just now too (i386), but my 64 bit machines have broken dependencies
[02:33]  * holstein didnt notice either
[02:33] <Sarvatt> if you have xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu1
[02:34] <lullabud> i'm 32-bit on lenovo T60, no problems, but not really complex install.  skype worked fine afterwards though
[02:34] <myk_robinson> just out of curiousity, if things go south, in most cases are users able to drop to a virtual terminal and run updates to fix?
[02:34] <Sarvatt> you need an xserver-xorg-input-synaptics|evdev update as well, the input device things have completely changed and the supporting files are in those two packages
[02:35] <Stik> Well it seems the nvidia driver does in fact install but I get this with modprobe -  FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/2.6.32-18-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia-current.ko): No such device
[02:35] <myk_robinson> the price we pay for living on the edge :)
[02:36] <yofel> Stik: does 'lsmod | grep nouveau' give you anything?
[02:36] <Stik> yeah
[02:37] <yofel> what?
[02:37] <Stik> nouveau, ttm, drm_kms_helper, drm, i2c_algo_bit
[02:37] <yofel> hm, if it lists nouveau then nouveau isn't porperly blacklisted
[02:38] <Stik> Is this something that is supposed to happen automatically when installing drivers?
[02:38] <yofel> it should...
[02:38] <yofel> Stik: do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf file?
[02:39] <Stik> yeah it shows nouveau and lbm-nouveau blacklisted
[02:39] <yofel> ...
[02:40] <Sarvatt> if someone updates and needs to reboot before evdev and synaptics are updated - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorg.conf.d/
[02:40] <yofel> Stik: can you run 'update-initramfs -u -k all' and see if that helps?
[02:40] <Stik> k
[02:41] <bjsnider> Stik, you got /usr mounted on a separate partition?
[02:41] <Stik> yeah
[02:41] <bjsnider> that is the problem
[02:41] <Stik> Gah... ok
[02:41] <yofel> o.O
[02:42] <Stik> Guess I will reinstall this bitch then :D
[02:42] <Stik> Guess you have seen that before?
[02:43] <bjsnider> it is a known bug
[02:43] <bjsnider> i don't know if it has been fixed yet
[02:43] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, i'm amazed how often you are able to point out that /usr bug and it applies
[02:43] <Stik> Ok no biggie... I'll just repartition
[02:43] <Stik> Thnx for your help there yofel :P
[02:43] <Stik> you too bjsnider
[02:43] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, it's the same error message every time
[02:44] <Sarvatt> Stik: click this affects me too here if you dont mind - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/538071 :D
[02:44] <yofel> bjsnider: is there a reason why it loads nouveau if you have /usr seperate?
[02:44] <yofel> ah
[02:44] <Sarvatt> because the blacklist file is actually a symlink to the blacklist file thats in /usr and its not mounted yet
[02:45] <Stik> makes sense
[02:45] <Sarvatt> tseliot is going to move it to /lib instead to work around it but he hasn't done it yet
[02:45] <Sarvatt> Stik: you can just make your own blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/ for now to work around it
[02:46] <Berzerker> what are the % timestamp things called?
[02:46] <Stik> Ok
[02:46] <Sarvatt> just cp the /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf to some other name there so it's not a symlink
[02:46] <Stik> That should work
[02:48] <Blue1> wow - give us this day our daily updates, and forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who code it for us.
[02:48] <Stik> yeah I had to chase it down through its symlinks
[02:49] <Stik> brb
[02:52] <Berzerker> anyone have a problem with Gwibber in the fact that you can't add a twitter account?
[02:53] <nick125> Any ideas why desktopcouch-service is using 100% CPU?
[02:56] <Berzerker> how do you make a slideshow of backgrounds?
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> Berzerker:  in gnome. thers some xml file you can setup.
[02:58] <Berzerker> how do I do that
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> ive seen guiudew on making them. got some links at my http://delicious.com/dr_willis  listing somewhere
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> or see the xml files that allready exist in the gnome wallpapers directory
[02:58] <Berzerker> yeah I don't want to go through each one and replace file names
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> I sw some script on webupd8 or omgubuntu site that could auto-generate the xml files
[02:59] <Stik> There we go.. thnx for the help guys
[03:00] <Blue1> a reboot?  sheesh
[03:07] <nightsjammies> Can someone please help me with usermod?
[03:07] <Psi-Jack> man usermod first
[03:10] <nightsjammies> Okay, I get an error saying that user robin is already logged in.
[03:11] <nightsjammies> If I try it from another account, then it says something about not being able to get a password lock.
[03:12] <yofel> the 'cannot get lock on /etc/passwd' part is known
[03:12] <nightsjammies> um. So what do I do about it?
[03:13] <nightsjammies> Do I need to do it from another account?
[03:23] <Berzerker> is there a way to run evolution in the background?
[03:24] <Stik> That not what the indicator applet is for?
[03:24] <Berzerker> if I close evolution it stops displaying info
[03:25] <Berzerker> it requires it to be open
[03:25] <Stik> Oooh
[03:30] <etzerd> hello all
[03:31] <etzerd> until now no one can tell me how to revive Firefox.
[03:32] <etzerd> everytime I load Firefox nothing happened. I purge it, remove it, reinstall install it nothing
[03:33] <etzerd> do I have to reinstall the whole system all over again to solve this problem?
[03:33] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, have you tested by moving your ~/.mozilla to ~/.mozilla_backup ?
[03:34] <etzerd> no, can you please tell me how to do that ZykoticK9? because I'm a rookie in Linux
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, cd ~ && mv .mozilla .mozilla_backup
[03:35] <etzerd> type that in a terminal?
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, in a terminal yes "cd ~ && mv .mozilla .mozilla_backup"
[03:35] <yourabi> The deps for binutils seem borked on my upgrade (8.04 -> lucid beta) I get the following error: binutils: Depends: binutils (>= 2.20.1-4) but 2.20.1-3ubuntu2 is to be installed. -- has anyone seen this / dealt with this?
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> yourabi, people where mentioning problems with binutils earlier -- but see the topic "GNOME 2.30 being uploaded. Packages are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet." might be related
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, once you've run that command try reopening Firefox
[03:37] <etzerd> ZykoticK9: you are the best.
[03:37] <etzerd> it's work
[03:38] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, nice - but that did remove all your preferences and stuff - is that ok?
[03:38] <yourabi> ZykoticK9: thanks for the info - but that doesn't help since I've already upgraded the box :-)
[03:38] <etzerd> I will write this command for next time if I ever have this problem again.
[03:38] <etzerd> no problem
[03:38] <yourabi> I guess I'll just try updating tomorrow and hopefully the dep will be corrected by then.
[03:38] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, you might want to remove that ~/.mozilla_backup folder we created then
[03:38] <yofel> etzerd: do you have 'prism' installed?
[03:39] <etzerd> no I don't have prism install
[03:39] <yofel> ah ok, we had issues with prism preventing firefox from starting
[03:40] <alex_mayorga> gnome-do was removed on its own, anyone else?
[03:40] <alex_mayorga> tomboy is also gone
[03:40] <alex_mayorga> :(
[03:41] <alex_mayorga> has it something to do with the gnome 2.30 upload?
[03:41] <yofel> alex_mayorga: see topic...
[03:41] <yofel> YES
[03:41] <alex_mayorga> yofel: a tad too lat :'(
[03:41] <alex_mayorga> s/lat/late
[03:41] <etzerd> ZykoticK9: i type remove ~/.mozilla.backup it gave me an error the dirrectory not found
[03:41] <yourabi> thanks - bye.
[03:42] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, the command is just rm
[03:42] <etzerd> ok
[03:42] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, might be easier to use Nautilus (the GUI file manager) just ctrl+h to show hidden files
[03:42] <etzerd> yofel: my bad, yes I have prism install
[03:43] <alex_mayorga> yofel: they're not coming back, are they?
[03:43] <yofel> etzerd: please remove prism then, as you'll have to remove ~/.mozilla/firefox/<profile>/compatibiltiy.ini every time you want to run firefox otherwise
[03:44] <yofel> alex_mayorga: gnome-do etc...? just install them again once the dependencies allow it
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> yofel: is tomboy being removed from the "standard" desktop?
[03:45] <nick125> probably
[03:45] <etzerd> yofel: I remove prism
[03:45] <etzerd> then what?
[03:45] <yofel> etzerd: then firefox should work fine again
[03:46] <yofel> alex_mayorga: not that I know of
[03:46] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, did you remove the backup already?  perhaps you should move it back!
[03:46] <Stik> I have to say... pretty impressed with this so far...
[03:46] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ubuntu-desktop 1.193 recommends tomboy
[03:46] <etzerd> I did that
[03:47]  * alex_mayorga wonders how tomboy got removed then
[03:47] <Berzerker> I'm getting an authentication failure when trying to log into facebook chat on empathy
[03:47] <etzerd> anyway, ZykoticK9 when the stable version will be release? I heard at the end of April, is it true?
[03:47] <Berzerker> anyone know about it?
[03:48] <ZykoticK9> etzerd, 30 days from today!
[03:48] <etzerd> great, this is the best version ever of Ubuntu
[03:49] <yofel> etzerd: click on the affects me too button on bug 518422 if you have a launchpad account
[03:52] <alex_mayorga> etzerd: hear that one with every new/upcoming release :)
[03:52] <ZykoticK9> alex_mayorga, but this time its true ;)
[03:52] <nick125> I wonder if we'll ever hit a point where we can't make Ubuntu any better...
[03:52] <alex_mayorga> ZykoticK9: :)
[03:53] <ZykoticK9> alex_mayorga, i guess saying my personal favourite was 9.04 is OT for this channel
[03:53] <etzerd> yofel: I read it. so  now what to do when it happen again?
[03:54] <yofel> etzerd: if you have removed prism it shouldn't happen again
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> nick125: not possible according to ESR
[03:55] <etzerd> ok then. I did remove prism
[03:57] <nightsjammies> Has anyone managed to get utorrent to work with wine?
[03:58] <nightsjammies> And also, can I use my computer as a server? I'm not quite sure what I'm trying to do, so could someone could point me in the right direction?
[04:06] <tntc> anyone else seen a problem where 1) on resume from suspend, the primary hard disk is off or otherwise disabled and cannot be read and 2) on reboot, intel iwlagn wireless interfaces are not picked up by network-manager (enable wireless is grayed out)
[04:07] <tntc> I haven't seen any posted bugs, but I'm pretty terrible at finding said bugs
[04:08] <Berzerker-> ok great
[04:08] <nick125> nightsjammies: As far as a server, it depends on what kind of server.
[04:08] <Berzerker-> restart, now I get a flashing cursor
[04:08] <DanaG> tntc: I've seen my hard drive fail to spin up, upon resume from suspend.
[04:08] <nick125> nightsjammies: You can install an httpd, etc, on your desktop installation
[04:08] <DanaG> Happens to me with Windows, too, I believe.
[04:09] <DanaG> I'm keeping a close eye on my hard drive, and on the data therein.
[04:09] <nightsjammies> Well, is it possible to use my laptop (that I'm currently on), as a web server that runs while I'm using it?
[04:09] <nightsjammies> and what's an httpd?
[04:09] <Berzerker-> is it still shift to access the grub menu?
[04:09] <Berzerker-> while booting up
[04:09] <ZykoticK9> Berzerker-, yes
[04:09] <nightsjammies> esc for me
[04:10] <nightsjammies> I thinka
[04:10] <voss749> Apparently the Linux Mint people have broken with ubuntu on the most important topic...they will keep the window buttons on the right :)
[04:10] <Berzerker-> not working for me
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> Berzerker-, grub2?
[04:10] <nick125> nightsjammies: an httpd is a web server
[04:10] <arand> voss749: mint does a lot of things right, comparatively.
[04:10] <Berzerker-> ZykoticK9, I think, I'm on lynx
[04:10] <iconmefisto> Berzerker-: it's shift for grub2. you have to hold down the shift key when grub menu is starting
[04:10] <nightsjammies> Okay. And can it run on my puter while I'm on it?
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> Berzerker-, did you upgrade from a version prior to 9.10?
[04:10] <nightsjammies> Or do I have to install it on a separate partition?
[04:11] <Berzerker-> no
[04:11] <voss749> arand, the left buttons are just nutty
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> Berzerker-, then holding shift down prior to grub "should" give you the grub menu
[04:11] <Berzerker-> iconmefisto, yeah not showing any menu when I hold down shift, just a flashing vursor
[04:11] <nick125> nightsjammies: sure.
[04:11] <Berzerker-> cursor*
[04:11] <Berzerker-> ZykoticK9, all my USB stuff boot up properly and light up
[04:11] <nick125> nightsjammies: just install apache or whatnot through synaptic/aptitude/apt-get
[04:12] <nightsjammies> nick125: okay, then what?
[04:12] <thiebaude> how do i file a bug report on when i click on shutdown the computer restarts?
[04:12] <ZykoticK9> nick125, you forgot Ubuntu Software Center :)
[04:12] <nightsjammies> I don't like the Ubuntu Software Center.
[04:12]  * nick125 locks ZykoticK9 in the closet
[04:12] <nightsjammies> But okay.
[04:12] <ZykoticK9> lol
[04:13] <nightsjammies> nick125: okay, and now I don't know anything else...
[04:13] <ZykoticK9> guys i was just joking - USC isn't my preferred install method either
[04:14] <Berzerker-> anyone have any ideas?
[04:14] <DanaG> How do I suppress the "a volume with packages was detected" thingy?
[04:14] <DanaG> ... that happens when I insert a livecd?
[04:14] <tntc> DanaG: this is a SSD, and it works fine in windows and ubuntu 9.10
[04:14] <nick125> nightsjammies: You'll probably need to edit some configuration files..although, it should just start serving files in /var/www
[04:14] <thiebaude> DanaG, i had that problem too
[04:14] <tntc> DanaG: it regularly fails to resume in 10.04
[04:14] <DanaG> Weird.
[04:15] <Berzerker-> ok now
[04:15] <Berzerker-> when I put in the live CD
[04:15] <thiebaude> i cant shutdown my computer,lol
[04:15] <Berzerker-> my monitor gets no signal after a while
[04:15] <DanaG> In my case with the HDD, one time I even heard it trying, over and over and over and over, to spin up.
[04:15] <nightsjammies> nick125: okay, so to use said server as a webhost..is that possible?
[04:15] <tntc> DanaG: yeesh. that sounds mighty bad.
[04:15] <nick125> nightsjammies: You could setup a webserver on your laptop, with the standard Ubuntu install, yes.
[04:16] <Berzerker-> anyone have any ideas on that?
[04:16] <DanaG> On further occasions, it only took one retry to spin back up.
[04:16] <nightsjammies> nick125: but I need mySQL, apache, and php for that? right?
[04:16] <nick125> nightsjammies: If you want a full LAMP stack, then yeah. Just to serve static HTML, no.
[04:18] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, to supress the "a volume with packages was detected" in Nautilus / Preferences - Media tab - set Software to Do Nothing
[04:18] <DanaG> thanks.
[04:18] <DanaG> handy way to open home dir in nautilus:
[04:18] <DanaG> alt,f2, enter a single 'dot' as the path.
[04:19] <DanaG> I hacked my u3 drive to make the virtual USB-CD device present an Ubuntu ISO.
[04:20] <nick125> DanaG: Nice.
[04:20] <DanaG> It takes a Windows app to do that, though. :(
[04:23] <voss749> danag, dont buy u3 flash drives! :)
[04:23] <DanaG> Why not?  That hackability is useful.
[04:23] <DanaG> =þ
[04:25] <voss749> I encourage linux compatibility by buying linux friendly hardware :)
[04:26] <randomusr> I just tried re-installing grub from the livecd as it would freeze. it's doind the same thing now, but the earliest kernel is blinking at me
[04:26] <randomusr> Help me fix please
[04:27] <voss749> Notice I didnt say open source drivers.
[04:28] <randomusr> pretty please
[04:30] <z0net> I just updated to 10.04 and I lost my sound... any tips? =\
[04:31] <holstein> hey z0net
[04:31] <z0net> [holstein]: ya
[04:31] <holstein> when you run update manager is there some packages that didnt update?
[04:32] <holstein> check out the topic
[04:32] <voss749> zonet, what sound device?
[04:32] <holstein> i got a package held up
[04:32] <holstein> maybe its that simple
[04:34] <iconmefisto> z0net: checked mixer levels?
[04:34] <z0net> [iconmefisto]: ya..
[04:34] <z0net> just not work =\
[04:34] <voss749> Apparently synaptic has a u3 tool now
[04:34] <randomusr> hmm
[04:34] <z0net> I'll see the update-manager now
[04:34] <iconmefisto> z0net: speaker-test -c2 -t wav  <-- does that make any sound?
[04:35] <z0net> [iconmefisto]: I'll see
[04:35] <z0net> no
[04:35] <z0net> no sound
[04:36] <randomusr> Grub won't load ubuntu, it's freezing. How can I fix this if I've  already attempted to re-install grub twice?
[04:36] <Berzerker-> so I think I screwed up my fstab file
[04:36] <Berzerker-> how do I fix it
[04:36] <Berzerker-> (they're raided)
[04:37] <Leif> I need to resize a partion, and I was trying to use Karmic's Live CD to do this, but there is no resize option, is this normal, other versions of ubuntu (with gparted on the live cd, had a resize option)
[04:38] <Leif> Any help is appreciated.
[04:38] <iconmefisto> z0net: what audio device? lshw -c multimedia
[04:38] <Leif> Also, I can't use the one on standard 9.10 because my laptop won't actually boot into it.
[04:39] <iconmefisto> Leif: make sure the partition is not mounted
[04:39] <arand> Leif: Is the swap mounted?
[04:40] <Leif> arand: I think the swap is mounted, but I can't resize anything.
[04:40] <Leif> iconmefisto: I'm fairly sure it's not mounted, as I can't resize any partition.
[04:40] <arand> Leif: do swapoff via gparted.
[04:41] <Leif> arand: Okay, that worked, why should that work though, as the other drives weren't mounted?
[04:41] <Leif> Thank you though.
[04:41] <arand> Leif: Was the swap inside an extended partition?
[04:42] <arand> Leif: And which partition were you trying to resize?
[04:42] <Leif> arand: MMmmm..probably, I have more than 4.  (I let ubuntu automatically make the partitions when I first installed)
[04:43] <Leif> arand: I'm trying to make a seperate partition for either the /home directory, or a /data directory, for the files I want to persists from installation to installation.
[04:43] <Leif> Big files, that I don't want to redownload.
[04:43] <arand> Leif: swap turned on inside an extended partition will lock the extended.
[04:43] <Leif> arand: Ah, okay, thank you.
[04:47] <LFC_fan> i'm am trying Personal File Sharing in Ubuntu and installed apache2, now how do others access the files in Public Folder?
[04:49] <LFC_fan> anyone?
[04:50] <randomusr> what's the apt-get command if I just want to search for a package?
[04:50] <LFC_fan> apt-cache search
[04:53] <m1k3y> hey everyone
[04:53] <arand> m1k3y: hello
[04:54] <brianherman> so the daily build is only with the alternate install cd
[04:55] <arand> brianherman: is it? no live today?
[04:55] <brianherman> oh
[04:55] <brianherman> oops
[04:55] <Berzerker-> so when I login, I get nothing
[04:55] <Berzerker-> just a cursor + login screen background
[04:55] <Berzerker-> anyone know anything about that?
[04:57] <Berzerker-> anyone?
[04:57] <m1k3y> i had that happen a couple of times with 9.10
[04:58] <m1k3y> all i did was restart and it was fine
[04:59] <Berzerker-> yeah it's not fine though
[04:59] <Berzerker-> dropping to a terminal makes me lose signal to the monitor
[05:00] <iconmefisto> Berzerker-: you mean a graphical login screen? gdm/kdm? or text login?
[05:00] <Berzerker-> iconmefisto, gdm
[05:02] <iconmefisto> Berzerker-: the 2.6.32-18 kernel on mine doesn't fully boot either. do you have other kernels to try?
[05:03] <randomusr> could someone help me fix grub?
[05:03] <Berzerker-> iconmefisto, I'm using the -16
[05:06] <brianherman> randomuser: whats wrong with your grub
[05:06] <randomusr> brianherman: it was eaten by birds
[05:07] <billybigrigger_> are the gnome 2.30 packages still being uploaded??? are upgrade/updates/reboots safe yet, can anyone confirm?
[05:07] <randomusr> lol
[05:07] <brianherman> randomusr:damn twitter
[05:07] <randomusr> brianherman: it freezes on boot, even after re-installing
[05:07] <randomusr> lmfao
[05:07] <brianherman> super grub disk?
[05:07] <randomusr> super grub disk? meh, what's that?
[05:09] <nightsjammies> I've got mysql-client-5.1 installed. Is that the correct one that I need?
[05:10] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, it's a grub rescue disk
[05:11] <randomusr> billybigrigger: I'd rather use the chroot method from the grub2 page on ubuntu's site.... that's what i've been doing
[05:12] <randomusr> how can I access /boot/grub/grub.cfg from the installed system using the livecd and write changes?
[05:12] <nightsjammies> Actually, is there a channel for trying to configure my computer as a desktop web server?
[05:13] <nightsjammies> or should I just do it here?
[05:16] <randomusr> how can I access /boot/grub/grub.cfg from the installed system using the livecd and write changes?
[05:16] <Berzerker> well I got it fixed
[05:20] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, if your refering to the grub2 wiki page? the instructions are all there
[05:20] <randomusr> i did that. still can't boot
[05:20] <billybigrigger_> what is your error
[05:21] <billybigrigger_> unless i missed it, i don't think you gave an error, you just said grub is broken
[05:21] <randomusr> there is no error.... it freezes upon boot
[05:21] <billybigrigger_> nightsjammies, check out the ubuntu server guide, there's guides for setting up apache or whatever webserver you want
[05:21] <randomusr> I tried using the chroot method
[05:21] <billybigrigger_> grub freezes, with no error?
[05:21] <randomusr> correct
[05:22] <billybigrigger_> must say that is strange
[05:22] <randomusr> just blinks the earliest version of the kernel that was installed
[05:22] <nightsjammies> billybigrigger: okay, thank you much :)
[05:23] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, when you see Grub Loading...press and hold shift
[05:23] <billybigrigger_> you should be able to boot into recovery mode for whatever kernel you want
[05:24] <barbara> turned on my laptop today and it boots to a black screen. even recovery mode turns the laptop screen off and does nothing. I can't even see it on the network. Is there something I can add into the grub to make it boot to root console?
[05:24] <randomusr> I don't see anything loading... All I get is a list of kernels, some of them recovery mode, but i can't choose any
[05:25] <billybigrigger_> hold on guys
[05:25] <Berzerker> is there any way to stick an application to a certain workspace permenantly?
[05:25] <billybigrigger_> weird that you guys are having grub problems today
[05:25] <billybigrigger_> looking to see if there were any changes lately
[05:26] <barbara> didn't do any updates lately
[05:26] <billybigrigger_> when was the last time you guys updated? or did you just upgrade today?
[05:26] <barbara> just randomly happened
[05:26] <barbara> upgraded around beta I believe
[05:26] <barbara> I just want to get dumped to root session so I can run all updates
[05:26] <Berzerker> barbara: if you have an alternate CD you can do it
[05:27] <randomusr> I last updated on friday evening or saturday morning.... Update-manager was set to auto-update
[05:27] <barbara> Berzerker, any alternate cd or do I need lucid alternate cd?
[05:27] <barbara> any other way?
[05:28] <randomusr> billybigrigger: i think whatever update it was may be a show-stopper
[05:28] <billybigrigger_> no the only update that was pushed recently just changed the grub timeout
[05:28] <billybigrigger_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.98-1ubuntu3
[05:28] <randomusr> weird
[05:28] <virtuald> barbara: you could try the nomodeset boot parameter
[05:28] <billybigrigger_> that was 18 hours ago, so if you guys havent updated in a few days that wouldnt be it
[05:28] <randomusr> hmm, i'm updated more than 18 hours
[05:29] <barbara> virtuald, where do I add that?
[05:29] <randomusr> I didn't get the timeout update for sure
[05:29] <virtuald> barbara: in grub, select your kernel and press e to edit, and add it to the end of he linux [...] line
[05:30] <billybigrigger_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+changelog
[05:30] <m1k3y> hey guys
[05:30] <randomusr> billybigrigger, could you walk me through accessing /boot/grub/grub.cfg from the livecd so it's writeable?
[05:30] <billybigrigger_> none of those changes look like anything to do with either of your problems
[05:30] <barbara> virtuald, then just ctrl X?
[05:30] <virtuald> yes
[05:31] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, do you have a livecd handy?
[05:31] <barbara> virtuald, last thing I saw was it was going to do a filesystem check then screen blanked. do I just let it sit for a while? screen is completely off
[05:32] <randomusr> currently running in the target machine.... I'm using my laptop to chat, but the system in question is my desktop
[05:32] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, and i really don't see whats wrong with the instructions on the wiki page, i started that page for the karmic cycle...and nothing has changed
[05:32] <m1k3y> does anyone know how to enable the 3d windows on the desktop cube?
[05:32] <randomusr> I understand, but now it's time to think outside the box
[05:32] <randomusr> something is causing problems
[05:32] <virtuald> i wouldn't just turn it off in the middle of the fsck, at least wait for the harddisk light to stop flashing
[05:33] <billybigrigger_> ok, well what i'm saying is follow those steps to chroot, and edit your file
[05:33] <virtuald> barbara: you could try to get to a text console with ctrl-alt-f1
[05:33] <barbara> virtuald, tried :(
[05:33] <randomusr> it won't let me it says, Read Only
[05:33] <billybigrigger_> chmod it
[05:33] <barbara> I tried ctrl-alt and every f no worky :(
[05:33] <virtuald> o.o
[05:34] <barbara> sound like re-install time ?
[05:34] <virtuald> maybe but look at the topic
[05:34] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, ls -la show me the line for grub.cfg
[05:35] <Berzerker> so I have an NTFS drive that I want to mount at bootup
[05:35] <akio> Anyone here using two finger scrolling?
[05:35] <Berzerker> what's the line I put into the fstab
[05:36] <barbara> Berzerker, http://tinyurl.com/yfckyh5
[05:36] <barbara> akio, yes
[05:36] <NerdsMG> I just intalled 10.04 on my MacBook Pro. However, I have two hard drives, and GRUB seems to have taken completely over my Windows / Ubuntu drive instead of letting me use rEFIt. Any ideas how to get the bootloader to the partition instead of the MBR?
[05:36] <randomusr> billybigrigger, am I to be chroot into the installed system?
[05:37] <Berzerker> barbara: thanks. googling an answer before gave me a freeze when I rebooted
[05:37] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, you need to chroot into the broken system
[05:37] <barbara> Berzerker, many answers out there try another
[05:37] <akio> barbara, I just used synclient to enable it, the option is greyed out in the normal mouse properties menu - are you using it successfully?
[05:37] <randomusr> I'm there
[05:38] <barbara> akio, yes it wasn't greyed out for me.
[05:38] <barbara> works great but click and drag sucks with MBP...
[05:38] <barbara> doesn't work right at all
[05:38] <NerdsMG> barbara: You can fix that
[05:38] <akio> I know my touchpad supports it. I have a synaptics touchpad on a lenovo t410
[05:38] <NerdsMG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid#Touchpad
[05:39] <randomusr> billbigrigger, -r--r--r--
[05:39] <randomusr> for grub.cfg
[05:39] <billybigrigger_> randomusr, hehe i totally forgot
[05:39] <randomusr> eh?
[05:39] <billybigrigger_> don't edit grub.cfg
[05:39] <randomusr> y not?
[05:39] <billybigrigger_> its not for editing
[05:39] <barbara> NerdsMG, that's what I did and dragging from left to right works fine but moving it up and down while dragging it just jumps around the screen... :(
[05:39] <vish> !grub2 | randomusr
[05:39] <barbara> same on two separate MBP's
[05:39] <billybigrigger_> read that wiki page
[05:39] <randomusr> ok
[05:40] <randomusr> I'm about to pull my hair out
[05:40] <NerdsMG> MacBookPro5,5?
[05:40] <nick125> billybigrigger_: I told randomusr to edit it last night, as I wanted to temporarily delete a clause to see if it would fix his lockup issues. That way, if it didn't help, it would be easy to regenerate the config.
[05:40] <barbara> NerdsMG, one is MBP 5,5 and one is MBP 5,2
[05:40] <randomusr> nick125, still no permissions to do so
[05:40] <mwhudson> somehow i've managed to uninstall gnome-panel :/
[05:41] <mwhudson> and it's refusing to reinstall
[05:41] <nick125> randomusr: Hmm.
[05:41] <barbara> I would think it would have been updated by now as that is pretty old :(
[05:41] <NerdsMG> Works fine on my 5,5
[05:41] <nick125> randomusr: So, if you do something like....sudo nano -w /media/blah/boot/grub/grub.cfg, it won't allow you to save?
[05:41] <barbara> that's dumb
[05:41] <mwhudson> i get "gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-panel-data (< 1:2.30) but 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[05:41] <ZykoticK9> mwhudson, in topic "GNOME 2.30 being uploaded. Packages are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet."
[05:41] <mwhudson> ZykoticK9: ah
[05:41] <mwhudson> ZykoticK9: doh!
[05:42] <edgy> Hi, Yesterday I tried to install lucid in my new laptop but the installation didn't work. Now I am doing it again so I can report any errors and may be someone can help me.
[05:42] <mwhudson> ZykoticK9: is there some way i can downgrade, or are the older versions no longer in the archive?
[05:42] <ZykoticK9> mwhudson, other people ran into the gnome-panel issue as well
[05:42] <ZykoticK9> mwhudson, i believe (but could be wrong) that it's a wait until it's fixed sorta thing
[05:43] <hey_boy> Hi all. When I mount my windows partitions on Ubuntu 10.04, it does not prompt for password.
[05:43] <barbara> laptop screen blanks on me in any kernel boot even recovery. What are options?
[05:43] <hey_boy> How do I get it to ask for one?
[05:43] <mwhudson> ZykoticK9: any idea how long it'll be? hours, days, ... ?
[05:43] <barbara> hey_boy, is it in fstab?
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> mwhudson, no real idea - i imaging hours not days
[05:43] <hey_boy> yes
[05:43] <randomusr> nick125, now it looks like a blank file from that command
[05:43] <barbara> mwhudson, years
[05:44] <hey_boy> it used to in 9.10
[05:44] <barbara> hey_boy, take it out of fstab
[05:44] <hey_boy> I upgraded online from 9.10
[05:44] <randomusr> nick125, disregard my last
[05:45] <hey_boy> barbara: sorry It is not in fstab
[05:45] <nick125> randomusr: Try deleting that one section that begins with /etc/grub.d/30-os_prober
[05:46] <barbara> hey_boy, you might try unchecking mount user-space file systems in administration -> users and groups...
[05:47] <randomusr> nick125, ^K doesn't work
[05:47] <nick125> randomusr: What are you trying to do?
[05:47] <barbara> hey_boy, if that doesn't work try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434702
[05:48] <hey_boy> it is already unchecked
[05:48] <nick125> randomusr: It should...
[05:48] <randomusr> oops my bad
[05:48] <nick125> randomusr: Put it on the line you want to delete, ctrl-k
[05:48] <randomusr> here goes nothing...
[05:49]  * nick125 crosses fingers
[05:50] <randomusr> nick125, you and me both
[05:51] <nick125> randomusr: Did it save?
[05:51] <randomusr> apparently
[05:51] <randomusr> well, it doesn't blink anymore, but grub won't allow me to do anything
[05:52] <randomusr> i can see the options same as before but can't do a thing
[05:52] <nick125> I wonder if it's locked up, or if there's something up that it can't read keyboard input.
[05:52] <barbara> laptop screen blanks on me in any kernel boot even recovery. What are options?
[05:53] <nick125> randomusr: What kind of keyboard are you using? PS/2 or USB?
[05:53] <randomusr> USB
[05:53] <DanaG> !info policykit-desktop-privileges
[05:53] <nick125> randomusr: Hmm. Can you check the BIOS for something in regards to legacy USB keyboard support or the like?
[05:53] <randomusr> sure hold on
[05:54] <jmcantrell> anyone use nautilus-actions? i can't get anything to show up in nautilus
[05:58] <nick125> randomusr: It might be under something like "USB keyboard support"
[05:59] <randomusr> mother_fXXXXXXXXXer son of gun.
[05:59] <nick125> randomusr: What?
[05:59] <randomusr> nick you are tha man, why didn't I think of that before
[06:00] <nick125> randomusr: Is it working now? :)
[06:00] <tiziazrou> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/EmSrfMk8  what happpen with this please
[06:00] <autobot> I know this is already a reported bug, but are any of you experiencing the battery indicator vanishing (crashing?)
[06:00] <randomusr> um nooo nooo nooo, I'm too smart and already thought about the legacy keyboard thing
[06:01] <randomusr> you rock man, thanks
[06:01] <randomusr> I can't believe for such a simple thing that no one else thought about that
[06:02] <edgy> I now finshed the installation of lucid but I know when I reboot it won't give any grub menu and would directly boot to windows, how can I debug this now?!
[06:02] <randomusr> and my nvidia-settings x.org worked as I don't have to manually change the resolution again.... Thanks nick125
[06:03] <nick125> randomusr: \o/ Awesome.
[06:03] <randomusr> Now I can watch my pron in peace.... j/k
[06:04] <edgy> Please help me so I get my new MARVELLOUS ASUS N61JQ working with MARVELLOUS LUCID
[06:04] <randomusr> facepalm, why didn't I think of the keyboard thing....
[06:04] <Berzerker> anyone have a problem with facebook chat on empathy?
[06:04] <randomusr> oh well, Time for some much needed rest after all that craziness
[06:04] <nick125> randomusr: Probably because you didn't change the BIOS settings before it broke and you would've never thought to look there.
[06:05] <randomusr> I've had to do that before but I was certain it was enabled
[06:05] <randomusr> now I'm really embarassed
[06:05] <nick125> randomusr: Don't be. :)
[06:05] <edgy> you can't ignore me like that please please ;)
[06:05] <randomusr> but alas, I need sleep
[06:06] <randomusr> nick125: thanks again, have a good night
[06:06] <nick125> randomusr: You too. Glad I could help.
[06:09] <Berzerker> anyone use gwibber here?
[06:09] <AbortD> anyone know what version of kompoZer is in lucid repos?
[06:10] <ZykoticK9> !info kompozer
[06:10] <DanaG> nice job, gwibber:
[06:10] <DanaG> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '8.5'
[06:10] <DanaG> they assume font size is an int.
[06:10] <DanaG> !fail gwibber
[06:10] <rww> DanaG: gwibber exists to make the twitter web UI look stable
[06:11] <nick125> DanaG: Fail!
[06:11] <Berzerker> the problem is I can't add any twitter accounts to it
[06:11] <Berzerker> the add button does nothing
[06:11] <Berzerker> also facebook chat on empathy is borked.
[06:12] <billybigrigger_> when i tried to add facebook chat to empathy it would let me enter my email address...
[06:13] <NerdsMG> That sucks, I have no sound on my MBP now. :(
[06:13]  * nick125 wonders about this bookface that everyone is talking about
[06:13] <Berzerker> a ha!
[06:13] <Berzerker> never mind
[06:13] <Berzerker> billybigrigger_: got it to work, if you want to know
[06:14] <billybigrigger_> sure
[06:14] <Berzerker> go on facebook on firefox
[06:14] <Berzerker> log out, log in with your username
[06:14] <Berzerker> not your email
[06:14] <Berzerker> then it should let you in
[06:14] <NerdsMG> No wait. Got it. Alsamixer never unmuted my speakers. lol
[06:14] <billybigrigger_> oh see the problem is i dont have a username
[06:14] <rww> facebook is silly :(
[06:14] <Berzerker> billybigrigger_: oh yeah, there's a link under the login ID field in empathy
[06:15] <billybigrigger_> and dont care for one, im happy with my irc and msn
[06:15] <billybigrigger_> has that link been there the whole time? or has that been added recently?
[06:16] <Berzerker> no idea, just found it today
[06:16] <billybigrigger_> i was going to say, i don't recall seeing that the other day when i setup empathy
[06:17] <Berzerker> it basically uses jabber
[06:17] <Berzerker> since facebook chat externally uses jabber, login@chat.facebook.com
[06:17] <Berzerker> you can also add it as a jabber account
[06:18] <AbortD> anyone know gtks version in lucid?
[06:19] <bbordwell> AbortD, 2.20
[06:20] <nick125> Is Lucid using an unstable release of GTK?
[06:20] <nick125> gtk.org says the latest stable is 2.18..
[06:20] <bbordwell> nick125, looks that way
[06:21] <ZykoticK9> nick125, think how old and out dated versions will be in 3 and 5 years from now
[06:23] <bbordwell> there is a gtk 3 in the works right?
[06:24] <nick125> I think we might see Duke Nukem Forever before we see gtk 3.
[06:25] <yoasif> hey guys
[06:25] <bbordwell> yoasif, hey
[06:25] <yoasif> anyone want to comment on a bug report with a crazy developer? :P
[06:25] <yoasif> http://bugs.calibre-ebook.com/ticket/5157
[06:26] <nick125> Unfortunately, there isn't a psychological evaluation prior to becoming a FOSS developer.
[06:27] <yoasif> haha
[06:27] <yoasif> it is a perfectly decent app
[06:27] <yoasif> but jesus the UI sucks
[06:28] <DanaG> jesus has nothing to do with it. =þ
[06:28]  * nick125 notes all of the reddit tabs open in the screenshot
[06:29] <yoasif> nick125, oops
[06:29] <yoasif> nick125, you're a reddit user? any chance you would like to play with a site that i am working on (trying to make a better reddit type site) :)
[06:30] <nick125> If you know a button isn't going to work, greying it out is the right thing to do.
[06:30] <rww> it's a trap, yoasif is Kevin Rose ):
[06:30] <hifi> "Single Red.." headed chick posing nude?
[06:30] <nick125> yoasif: I'll check it out, sure.
[06:31] <nick125> yoasif: Might not be tonight...but I'll take a look at it.
[06:31] <hifi> reminder: always check your screenshots (even if you didn't surf porn)
[06:31] <yoasif> hifi, im not ashamed of anything in that screenshot
[06:31] <yoasif> :)
[06:31] <yoasif> i only said oops because i am developing a competitor to reddit
[06:31] <yoasif> so it's kinda funny
[06:31] <yoasif> :)
[06:31] <hifi> so you say ;)
[06:33] <yoasif> trying out the lucid button order right now
[06:33] <yoasif> it isnt so bad
[06:33] <bbordwell> yoasif, you mean the buttons being in the top left?
[06:33] <yoasif> yeah
[06:33] <bbordwell> ya it took me a while to get used to it but now i  cant go back
[06:33] <yoasif> i switched it back/to os x order... just switched to the ambiance theme
[06:34] <yoasif> to try it out
[06:34] <yoasif> metacity rather
[06:34] <yoasif> yeah so anyone want to comment on this bug report? haha. im actually trying to help him/users out... but he is just not being convinced
[06:35] <Zenker> holstein are u there?
[06:37] <Zenker> holstein i found out something i need to tell you, it has 2 do with our discussion the other day
[06:37] <DanaG> it has two do with ... ?  =þ
[06:38] <Zenker> DanaG actually it has nothing 2 do with ubuntu
[06:38] <rww> DanaG: new English!
[06:38] <DanaG> I'm teasing you "four" your use of a number as a different word.
[06:38] <Zenker> oh sorry i though u ws asking me what it had to do with rofl
[06:38] <rww> im teasin u 4 ur use o a num as a diff werd **
[06:39] <ZykoticK9> rww, oh that sentence hurts
[06:39] <unitheory> Testing out the new beta 1. Looks great so far!
[06:39] <rww> ZykoticK9: not as much as it hurt to type!
[06:40] <Zenker> unitheory how did u get the new beta?
[06:40] <DanaG> another peeve of mine:
[06:40] <DanaG> I went to the store [cosine] I needed some bread.
[06:40] <unitheory> Zenker, torrent
[06:41] <Zenker> unitheory im sorta assuming ure talking about 10.* :)) i cant wait
[06:41] <unitheory> Zenker, yes, 10.04
[06:41] <unitheory> see the topic for this channel...
[06:42] <Zenker> wooo hooo, i just love the look/feel of 10.04 unfortunately i suck at ubuntu/linux and i could not get the sound 2 work
[06:43] <unitheory> alpha 3 wouldn't boot on my testing machine
[06:44] <Zenker> but perhaps it didnt work because i was running it from cd?
[06:44] <unitheory> it should still work
[06:44] <Zenker> dang! rofl
[06:45] <nightsjammies> Is it possible to make one of these themes work from here: http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter
[06:46] <ZykoticK9> nightsjammies, same applies to 10.04 i'm affraid -- themes and GDM are not straight forward (anymore)
[06:46] <nightsjammies> Oh, hello :)
[06:46] <nightsjammies> Okay. So is there a work-around.
[06:47] <ZykoticK9> nightsjammies, you might want to check out something called epidermis, i've never used it myself but Actionparsnip has recommended it to several people
[06:47] <nightsjammies> Okay. Thank you :0
[06:47] <Zenker> nice those themes are awsome will they work on 9.10
[06:47] <ZykoticK9> Zenker, 9.04 and earlier for sure
[06:48] <Zenker> awesome!
[06:53] <nightsjammies> Huh..I guess I'll go ahead and see about making my desktop look like Mac.
[06:54] <unitheory> as long as you make your mac look like windows and your windows look like linux
[06:56] <nightsjammies> o.O
[06:56] <nightsjammies> :D
[06:56] <nightsjammies> I'm too poor for a mac.
[06:56] <Berzerker> make windows look like linux, mac look like windows, and linux look like mac
[06:56] <Berzerker> total mindblown
[06:57] <ZykoticK9> Berzerker, +1 :)
[06:58] <Berzerker> well gnome already looks like aqua...
[06:59] <yoasif> i switched from mac os x
[06:59] <yoasif> linux is very nice :)
[06:59] <nightsjammies> And then post my screenshot on a Mac forum?
[06:59] <nightsjammies> :D
[07:00] <nightsjammies> I'll change back to what I had tomorrow. I like what I already had.
[07:02] <DanaG> random: http://home.comcast.net/~odnt/12012009.jpg
[07:03] <nightsjammies> Wow, that's pretty cool there.
[07:03] <Berzerker> wow is that KDE?
[07:03] <DanaG> nope, it's a Windowblinds skin. =þ
[07:03] <Berzerker> oh
[07:03] <Berzerker> you're a phony!
[07:03] <Berzerker> a great big phony!
[07:03] <nightsjammies> Windowblinds?
[07:04] <DanaG> Ironically, all the Windows-wannabe-mac themes are often better than the Linux-wannabe-mac ones I've seen.
[07:04] <DanaG> That's not my desktop, by the way.
[07:04] <unitheory> all desktops look the same to me
[07:04] <bbordwell> danaG, what do you have like 3.5tb of storage?
[07:04] <bbordwell> geeze
[07:04] <DanaG> That's not mine.
[07:05] <DanaG> My storage is this: 250GB laptop drive, and a 640GB external drive I rarely use.
[07:05] <bbordwell> ah, haha i just noticed in that pic
[07:05] <DanaG> I keep most of my media on my ntfs partition.
[07:05] <bbordwell> I am ntfs free :)
[07:05] <Berzerker> I play games so I still need windows
[07:06] <nightsjammies> I've got a friggin itouch, so do I.
[07:06] <bbordwell> Berzerker, ya that is one of the big reasons
[07:06] <bbordwell> I am hoping starcraft 2 will run well under wine so i don't have to start dual booting again..
[07:06]  * DanaG doesn't buy any Apple stuff for himself.
[07:06] <Berzerker> bbordwell: doubt it
[07:06] <bbordwell> though the beta is working :)
[07:06] <DanaG> The only Apple stuff we have around here is on my mom's imac.
[07:07] <bbordwell> Berzerker, the beta is working fine so it most likely will
[07:07] <DanaG> Ironically, Mac OS has been rather unstable at times -- things such as getting a kernel panic merely reading files from a USB SD-card reader.
[07:07] <bbordwell> DanaG, mac is basicly just a bsd kernel right?
[07:07] <ZykoticK9> bbordwell, nothing "basically" about it - mac is a BSD
[07:08] <Berzerker> bbordwell: really? that's nice
[07:08] <Berzerker> the kernel is mach_kernel
[07:08] <Berzerker> from nextstep I believe, no?
[07:08] <Berzerker> nextstep + BSD = OS X
[07:09] <nightsjammies> Hey, that clock in that theme, those are called docklets, aren't they?
[07:09] <bbordwell> anyone else here excited for starcraft 2?
[07:10] <bbordwell> off topic i know...
[07:10] <SandGorgon> have people here upgraded form 9.10 to 10.04 and lived to tell the tale ? I'm thinking of upgrading - anything I should watch out for
[07:10]  * achiang upgraded to lucid beta from hardy, now wireless (ath5k) is broken. NM refuses to manage the device. is this related to a stale /etc/network/interfaces file?
[07:11] <ZykoticK9> SandGorgon, just don't do it "right" now -- see channel topic
[07:11] <Berzerker> bbordwell: of course
[07:11] <nightsjammies> I think I'm still alive..
[07:11] <SandGorgon> ZykoticK9, ahh... Gnome 2.30.. Thanks for that pointer
[07:11] <achiang> iow, i think i can recover if i knew which files to delete in order to convince NM to take over... any clues?
[07:11] <SandGorgon> nightsjammies, anything that I should watch out for ?
[07:13] <achiang> one odd symptom is, i can do an ifup ath0 and get networking for about 30 seconds before it disassociates from my AP
[07:13] <nightsjammies> Umm..stuff telling you that it's just crashed, when it really hasn't.
[07:13] <nightsjammies> I dunno. I'm still messing with it myself.
[07:14] <bbordwell> nightsjammies, apport picks up alot of error messages. This will be disabled come RC
[07:14] <nightsjammies> Okay.
[07:15] <nightsjammies> Other than that, it works fine for me now. We'll see tomorrow.
[07:15] <unitheory> beware of the lack of good backgrounds.
[07:15] <bbordwell> nightsjammies, did you just upgrade?
[07:15] <SandGorgon> on my desktops, I still have problems with nvidia driver 173, 6150 chipset and jockey - that is something I hope to see solved. Or all 10 of our desktops will have to stay at 9.10
[07:16] <bbordwell> unitheory, any image can be made a background so you still have as much choice as you did before...infinite
[07:16] <ZykoticK9> SandGorgon, i'm no longer seeing nvidia 173 in jockey anymore... it was there but seems to have disappeared, will nvidia_current work with your card do you know?
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> SandGorgon, false alarm 173 is there
[07:17] <unitheory> ok, lack of good screensavers then
[07:17] <SandGorgon> ZykoticK9, hmm... that is surprising. I just tried it on a machine
[07:17] <SandGorgon> ZykoticK9, cool
[07:18] <bbordwell> ZykoticK9, 6 series used current
[07:18] <bbordwell> uses*
[07:19] <bazhang> achiang, never use nm myself, the command line is far easier in my opinion
[07:19] <achiang> bazhang: hm, just iwconfig then?
[07:19] <nightsjammies> Huh, interesting. Okay. Night all :)
[07:20] <unitheory> is it interesting that the music in one of the videos in the example content is called pornstar?
[07:20] <ddecator_> evening/morning all
[07:20] <bazhang> achiang, could be a bug, could you give a bit more info? is this card seen with ifconfig
[07:20] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, hmmm.. having problems with 6 series cards and 10.04. Did you install one yourself ?
[07:20] <bazhang> unitheory, please keep it on topic
[07:21] <achiang> bazhang: yes, interface appears in ifconfig output as ath0. i can even do an ifup ath0 and get an IP address for about 30 seconds before it disassociates with the AP
[07:21] <achiang> bazhang: oddly, during upgrade, my wlan0 device disappeared
[07:21] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, no, I just went to the download drivers section at nvidias site and put in 6 series linux to find out if the 6 series was still supported by the current (195)
[07:22] <bbordwell> i have a 9 series, using nouveu though
[07:23] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, its the older chipsets that are having a problem. 9.10 works beautifully.. but on 10.04, the newer drivers result in really bad resolutions, GDM crashes/fails to start. Forums are rife with suggestions to use 173 drivers - but then nvidia-settings is unable to tune the card - because of some jockey issues
[07:25] <Berzerker> does anyone know that program in linux that overlays the desktop with random info?
[07:25] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, is there a reason you need to use the proprietary driver?
[07:25] <Berzerker> like cpu usage/ram usage, etc.
[07:25] <bbordwell> Berzerker, gdesklets?
[07:26] <Berzerker> conky
[07:27] <rww> ubottu: crossposting
[07:28] <bbordwell> hmm i just use gkrellm, i don't see much point in having it on the desktop
[07:29] <TomTom> good morning. just a small question which i could not  get answered by google :)  will be the stock kernel of lucid the .33 (which supports the ATA trim cmnd) ?
[07:29] <bbordwell> TomTom, no
[07:30] <bbordwell> TomTom, They may backport that though
[07:30]  * bbordwell thinks that they already back ported half of .33 might as well just use it...
[07:31] <TomTom> so the options are: they release lucid with with .32, with .32 and backported TRIM, release .33 a month after lucid release ?
[07:31] <bbordwell> TomTom, .33 will never be in lucid
[07:31] <TomTom> because of the longterm support?
[07:32] <bbordwell> no version ever gets the kernel changed
[07:32] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, I have seen that my laptop works slower with the free driver - which is why I went for the proprietary driver. The forums mention that, especially for older chipsets, the free driver is far from optimal
[07:32] <bbordwell> you will have to wait for lucid+1
[07:32] <bbordwell> it will have .35 most likely
[07:33] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, yes the free driver is not optimal but i actualy like it better. The story may be different for pre 8 series cards though
[07:33] <TomTom> bbordwell: i am new to the ubuntu world, but i am pretty sure i've seen other  kernel versions  in the official repo
[07:34] <bbordwell> as 8 series + is where most of the work is
[07:34] <bbordwell> TomTom, They make small changes to the kernel and release them as updates e.g. 2.6.32-17 to 2.6.32-18
[07:35] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, true... the problem is that for a lot of corporate desktops, the way to go is integrated graphics chipsets - which are predominantly 6xxx or 7xxx.
[07:35] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, I would think they would mostly use intel boards...
[07:36] <bbordwell> but yes i see your point
[07:36] <TomTom> bbordwell: so this is a "basic rule", once there is a "named release" it will never change the kernel version? what are the common best practices of the users then? installing own kernel and losing support?
[07:36] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, oh, but we dont use Intel - AMD Athlon X2 is so much better : virtualization extensions and all
[07:37] <bbordwell> TomTom, there is a repository for easy installation of newer kernels, but yes you do lose support (though there is not realy much to lose) mostly your just not supposed to file bugs if you not using stock kernel
[07:38] <TomTom> thanks
[07:39] <bbordwell> TomTom, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[07:39] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, ah yes i almost forgot about amd+nvidia
[07:40] <bbordwell> I only realy follow intel stuff
[07:40] <DanaG> if I were going desktop, I'd consider AMD for the sake of CoreBoot.
[07:42] <bbordwell> SandGorgon, is Nvidia even in the integrated graphics market anymore?
[07:43] <bbordwell> with amd owning ATI and Intel not allowing Nvidia to make boards anymore
[07:43] <virtuald> danag: what's amd got to do with coreboot?
[07:44] <bbordwell> virtuald, they add support for all of their new chipsets to coreboot
[07:44] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, I'm not sure about nvidia making boards - the boards we have are all Gigabyte with integrated nvidia. Good third party vndors are still turning out boards with both ATI and nvidia drivers.
[07:44] <SandGorgon> bbordwell, and I prefer to go nvidia for the driver support
[07:45] <virtuald> bbordwell: they do? great. but it still needs to be ported to every board it should run on, right?
[07:47] <bbordwell> virtuald, i do not think so
[07:48] <virtuald> bbordwell: do you mean it runs as a bios replacement on all boards with newer amd chipsets?
[07:49] <bbordwell> virtuald, I have never realy looked at coreboot so I don't know
[07:50] <virtuald> ok
[07:52] <mawst> If I did a dist-upgrade from 9.10 I would just get updates all month and eventually be at stable when it's out right?
[07:54] <zekoZeko> mawst: yes.
[07:54] <mawst> Anything amazing I'm missing out on by waiting?
[07:54] <mawst> :D
[07:54] <zekoZeko> don't upgrade this moment
[07:54] <vega> amazing bugs and problems
[07:55] <mawst> hehe
[07:55] <mawst> ok zekoZeko
[07:55] <zekoZeko> because of the gnome 2.30, which is being uploaded
[07:55] <zekoZeko> see topic here
[07:55] <mawst> I'm kinda compelled to but I can wait
[07:55] <zekoZeko> can you fix problems if (or better, when) they arise?
[07:56] <zekoZeko> i upgraded about 3-4 weeks ago and at least twice my system was unbootable in the meantime :)
[07:56] <mawst> ouch
[07:56] <bbordwell> zekoZeko, did you run into the plymouth upgrade problem?
[07:56] <mawst> I think I'll wait.
[07:56] <mawst> :P
[07:56] <autobot> yes wait
[07:56] <zekoZeko> i managed to fix it, but it's a pain in the rear if it's your only machine and you need it to work. I have two so i don't really care if one breaks for a while :)
[07:56] <zekoZeko> bbordwell: that, and something else too, but i can't remember from the top of my head.
[07:57] <bbordwell> mawst, you dont happen to have a nvidia card and more than one display do you?
[07:57] <mawst> Noe
[07:57] <mawst> Just onboard nvidia
[07:57] <mawst> One head
[07:57] <autobot> bbordwell: why?
[07:57] <bbordwell> mawst, okay, plymouth locks up with nvidia+dualhead so just making sure
[07:58] <zekoZeko> bbordwell: it works for me.
[07:58] <zekoZeko> bbordwell: now :)
[07:58] <vega> also if you have a logitech dinovo edge usb don't upgrade.. your keyboard won't work
[07:58] <bbordwell> zekoZeko, do you have the proprietary drivers?
[07:58] <zekoZeko> bbordwell: yes.
[07:58] <bbordwell> thats why
[07:58] <zekoZeko> oh :)
[07:58] <bbordwell> only with nouvau
[07:59] <alkisg> Recently, while updating a chroot I'm getting the following:
[07:59] <alkisg> "Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory"
[07:59] <alkisg> I.e. dbus can't be configured and so in turn a lot of other packages are also not configured. Is this expected (i.e. should I mount --bind /var/run/dbus to work around it) or should I file a bug?
[07:59] <autobot> bbordwell: can those drivers do compiz?
[08:00] <achiang> whew, wireless fixed
[08:00] <bbordwell> autobot, no
[08:00] <autobot> bbordwell: ok I knew they had accelerated 2D, thanks
[08:01] <zekoZeko> mawst: anyway, i'm happy with the new release-to-be, but i wouldn't recommend an upgrade to a person that can't debug the problem on their own.
[08:01] <bbordwell> alkisg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bugs check that for duplicates first, then file a bug
[08:01] <zekoZeko> mawst: the problem=potential problems :)
[08:01] <alkisg> bbordwell: thank you
[08:01] <mawst> Well I fair pretty well but I'm sortof acclimating myself back into Linux still.
[08:01] <mawst> I ran a few distros for years at a time here and there... I'm just not where I used to be again yet.
[08:02] <autobot> mawst: distro jumping slows you down, this one does things that way, this ones does things this way
[08:02] <autobot> I am in the same boat
[08:02] <mawst> Yup
[08:02] <bbordwell> mawst, the number one rule about running pre release software is to keep installation media nearby
[08:02] <mawst> Mandrake >> Debian >> Gentoo >> Fedora >> Ubuntu
[08:03] <mawst> heheh
[08:03] <mawst> And here I am.
[08:03] <mawst> I really don't see anything topping the power Ubuntu has right now.
[08:03] <autobot> my list is much longer...goes back ten years
[08:03] <mawst> It's just huge.
[08:03] <mawst> Well there's more in there I don't care to share always heheh
[08:03] <mawst> Caldera, Suse etc.
[08:03] <mawst> :P
[08:04] <mawst> netbsd
[08:04] <autobot> mawst: I agree
[08:04] <mawst> Community is awesome.
[08:04] <zekoZeko> autobot: i don't think it's a bad thing to be at least a little bit fluent in all distros. It took me a few years to settle on Debian and now Ubuntu (this transition was much easier :), but I think it gave me a good perspective on the distro landscape and I'm not sorry about it.
[08:04] <mawst> Just about every question I can think of is already answered in google.
[08:04] <mawst> Even when I was in Fedora for awhile most of my problems were answered on Ubuntu forums heheh
[08:05] <autobot> zekoZeko: I agree, I did alot of hopping in the beginning...found out RPM sucks real quick...almost the first thing I learned
[08:05] <mawst> I didn't like apt in debian.
[08:05] <mawst> dselect and all that
[08:05] <mawst> ugh
[08:05] <autobot> lol
[08:05] <mawst> synaptic is boss.
[08:06] <autobot> I am a cli junkie
[08:06] <mawst> I'm fine with apt-get I just didn't like the cli package manager in deb.
[08:06] <bbordwell> mawst, yep, and software center is awsome for newcomers
[08:06] <IceDeep> Never had any luck with any Linux until Ubuntu, of course I tried downloading Red Hat off a 28K modem and installing by 3.5 disk ;)
[08:06] <mawst> Software center is awesome too yup
[08:06] <bbordwell> mawst, Can't you install synaptic in debian?
[08:06] <zekoZeko> synaptic originates from Debian :)
[08:06] <autobot> bbordwell: sure
[08:06] <mawst> Not sure. I don't know if they even had it when I was running it.
[08:06] <rww> You can install Software Center in debian (testing), too ;P
[08:06] <mawst> It was years ago
[08:07] <IceDeep> I dislike the software center myself, I wish it had been kept the old way until it has atleast as much customization at the all add/remove
[08:07] <zekoZeko> that's possible, yeah, but it was made by Debian developers iirc.
[08:07] <zekoZeko> before ubuntu existed.
[08:07] <bbordwell> zekoZeko, i think your right
[08:07] <mawst> ah...
[08:07] <IceDeep> No ratings which was my favorite thing to use for looking for programs.. with software center I can't do that :(
[08:08] <autobot> I didn't even know ubuntu existed until two years ago
[08:08] <bbordwell> IceDeep, Software center is not great for experienced users but for newcomers it is the best thing i have seen on linux
[08:08] <bbordwell> IceDeep, It is in the works
[08:09] <IceDeep> bbord, I agree, thats why when my uncle wanted to try linux, I gave him 9.10 with software center. I knew it would be simplier for him. He is pretty happy with it :)
[08:09] <zekoZeko> apt-get is a blessing compared to rpm or yast, that's why i settled on Debian first.
[08:09] <bbordwell> IceDeep, use tab for autocomplete
[08:09] <IceDeep> bbordwell, that is what I have heard thats why I don't complain.
[08:09] <autobot> zekoZeko: thats what I thought too when I found apt
[08:09] <IceDeep> I should know, just wasn't thinking about tabbing. Been out of IRC for a bit.
[08:09] <zekoZeko> but Debian was/(is?) a PITA for a desktop system, so i switched to Ubuntu for those.
[08:10] <zekoZeko> still run it on most servers though.
[08:11] <autobot> zekoZeko: I got so excited about apt I started maintaing debian packages back in the day, now ubuntu rules the desktop and like you say debian on the server
[08:12] <zekoZeko> autobot: i don't have a problem with ubuntu on the server, especially LTS versions are nice, i guess i'm just used to running Debian on servers.
[08:12] <zekoZeko> autobot: but I also don't have a problem backporting packages myself when needed :)
[08:13] <zekoZeko> autobot: and another nice thing is that Debian dist-upgrade on a server hasn't failed yet, can't say that about Ubuntu. Upgrades are much better tested for Debian.
[08:13] <autobot> much better
[08:14] <autobot> tested
[08:14] <zekoZeko> autobot: which is not that strange, considering how often (or shall i say, rarely) they happen :)
[08:14] <autobot> lmao
[08:14] <autobot> your right, every couple years
[08:15] <autobot> I haven't looked at the release schedule of debian in years, I'm a windows user for the most part..job ties me to it
[08:15] <IceDeep> Sorry to hear that auto, I know that feeling :(
[08:16] <zekoZeko> schedule? what schedule? :)
[08:16] <autobot> naa I like the job, and the PC is mine
[08:16] <IceDeep> Use to use ubuntu all the time, and then go to work and I looked at windows and waited for things to load.. and I wanted to pull my hair out. So I would pull out my laptop with ubuntu and do things while I waited for windows to loa.d lol
[08:16]  * IceDeep nods
[08:17] <autobot> you know on windows my fan kicks on constantly, on lucid it hasn't kicked on period..battery life has increased by almost an hour?
[08:17] <bbordwell> IceDeep, I switched to ubuntu mostly because it is way faster to set up than windows
[08:18] <zekoZeko> good for you, i always had problems with battery life on my laptops with linux.
[08:18] <autobot> and this is on an XPS M1530...known for being a heater
[08:18] <zekoZeko> used to have a 12" HP 4010 which run twice as long on windows.
[08:18] <IceDeep> bbordwell, for sure it is. A lot less hassles as well in many areas.
[08:19] <autobot> zekoZeko: I guess it all depends on the hardware
[08:19] <IceDeep> In windows this laptop overheated constantly, in ubuntu it did it once when I was being very resource intensive. Not near as bad as windows/V
[08:19] <bbordwell> zekoZeko, I have read that power management is only marginaly worse on linux than windows, no first hand experience though. how long since you tired it?
[08:19] <zekoZeko> now I have a Toshiba u300 which has a poor battery (it's been used for two years at least 16/7 now), but i never really used windows on it, so i can't compare.
[08:20] <zekoZeko> bbordwell: as i've said, haven't used windows outside a virtual machine for a long time, so i can't really compare. at the time i could compare, it was pretty horrible.
[08:20] <zekoZeko> but it's been almost 5 years i think.
[08:20] <zekoZeko> two laptops ago.
[08:21] <zekoZeko> autobot: yeah, chipset used is really the main factor i think. support varies greatly.
[08:21] <zekoZeko> support=PM support.
[08:22] <zekoZeko> i'm off to get a few hours sleep.
[08:22] <IceDeep> Be well zekoZeko
[08:22] <zekoZeko> i bet the customers will start calling as soon as i fall asleep, it usually happens when i crash during the day.
[08:23] <zekoZeko> have fun everyone, it's been nice chatting a little bit.
[08:23] <IceDeep> Yep, you to zekoZeko
[08:26] <zekoZeko> haha i have to share this one before i go
[08:26] <zekoZeko> i have a friend/customer who just sent me this:
[08:27] <zekoZeko> Subject: jquery
[08:27] <autobot> ?
[08:28] <zekoZeko> "Hey zekoZeko, do you have jQuery running on the server? I would need some slidy effetcs on a site and i need jquery on the server."
[08:28] <zekoZeko> sorry had to translate to english :)
[08:28] <autobot> lol
[08:28] <autobot> put it on google
[08:28] <zekoZeko> bloody desingers/wannabe developers :)
[08:29] <autobot> I looked at jquery...it is nice
[08:29] <zekoZeko> nah, it's OK. He's a cool buy trying to learn new stuff, so i told him what to do :)
[08:29] <zekoZeko> no need to ridicule him.
[08:29] <zekoZeko> buy=guy
[08:29] <autobot> didn't even notice that
[08:29]  * autobot tired
[08:30] <zekoZeko> i did after i re-read what i wrote and thought it might be misleading so i fixed it.
[08:30] <autobot> 2:30 am for me
[08:30] <zekoZeko> 9:30am :)
[08:30] <autobot> lmao, misleading
[08:30] <zekoZeko> i got up at 8pm :)
[08:30] <autobot> damn
[08:31] <zekoZeko> i really only sleep during the day for the last two weeks or so.
[08:31] <autobot> i got up at 11:45 A.M and began posting on a forum...what a job
[08:31] <zekoZeko> had a gig at a club on friday spinning from 4-6am so i tried to get used to being up in that timeframe :)
[08:32] <autobot> spin that DeeeeJAAAA
[08:32] <zekoZeko> bye for now.
[08:32] <hey_boy> Hello all. the window manager in lucid (metacity) is not starting automatically. How do I fix this?
[08:32] <autobot> zekoZeko: good night
[08:32] <autobot> or day
[08:33] <autobot> hey_boy: it must be crashing
[08:33] <hey_boy> I could start it from a terminal.
[08:34] <autobot> System --> Preferences --> Startup Applications?
[08:40] <RPG-Master> I burned the iso and selected to try it from the CD and it screws up :(
[08:40] <RPG-Master> All I see is a distorted ubuntu in the bottom right conrer
[08:40] <RPG-Master> *corner
[08:41] <RPG-Master> with an aubergine background
[08:41] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, do you have a nvidia card plus more than 1 display?
[08:41] <RPG-Master> bbordwell: nvidia on a laptop, so only one
[08:42] <RPG-Master> this a known issue?
[08:43] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, sounds like a plymouth issue. there are a few with it
[08:43] <RPG-Master> I see... So, if I installed the beta I'd have to use some work around?
[08:44] <RPG-Master> 'cus I was hoping it was going to be as simple as installing the current release...
[08:44] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, once it stops doing anything and you get to that purple type screen try pressing Alt+SysRq+k and see if that gets it to work
[08:45] <RPG-Master> What will that do? Because, I'd like to know before I go and reboot this laptop :P
[08:46] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, It basicly just kills some of the running proccesses and restarts them. This is the workaround for the issue with nvidia+2 displays, it may work for your issue as well though
[08:47] <RPG-Master> bbordwell: And this has to be done at boot every time?
[08:47] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, also you could try to boot with the no-splash option but I am not sure how to do that
[08:47] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, Actualy i should have asked, when this happens does the cd stop spinning?
[08:48] <RPG-Master> bbordwell: eventually, yeah
[08:50] <bbordwell> okay, for the alt+sysreq+k thing wait till the cd stops. Once you install you can install the nvidia proprietary drivers and this will likely solve the issue. or else you could remove plymouth until it is working
[08:50] <bbordwell> or else boot with the no-splash option, but i am not sure how to do this
[08:52] <RPG-Master> bbordwell: Sounds like a plan. Thanks for all the help man :)
[08:52] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, Just make sure you have a known working installation media around and you will be fine
[08:52] <RPG-Master> bbordwell: Meaning a livecd that works?
[08:53] <bbordwell> yes
[08:53] <RPG-Master> yep, I'm good then
[08:53] <bbordwell> RPG-Master, If you have a flash drive installs are much faster using that
[08:53] <bbordwell> in case you did not know, it is easy to set up on an ubuntu computer
[08:54] <RPG-Master> I lost my only usb drive :(
[08:54] <RPG-Master> though the one time I tried it didn't work...
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> BOONNNSSSSSS DDIIIIIAAAASSSSSSSSS
[08:59] <NathanB-dot> Hey all. So "Hardware Drivers" says "The driver is activated but not currently in use." How can I "use" it?
[09:00] <mawst> Probably the wrong driver then no?
[09:00] <mawst> :D
[09:00] <mcp_> Hi. I currenty try (and fail in) creating a mercurial (hg) repository. Whenever i run "hg commit" it crashes with "/usr/bin/python: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x09c6b8f0". Is there a known bug with python/mercurial corrupting memory?
[09:01] <NathanB-dot> mawst: How would I know? Driver info on Linux is /way/ too difficult to figure out.
[09:01] <AlanBell> !info rhino
[09:01] <mawst> *shrug*
[09:02] <NathanB-dot> mawst: But I think it's fine, as the documentation for Lucid says that you can have multiple nVidia drivers activated but switch between them (somehow).
[09:02] <mawst> Yeah that's above my head
[09:02] <TPS> So would you all say it's definitely worth an upgrade come release ?
[09:03] <mawst> I'm a little worried things will break.
[09:03] <mawst> But I'll figure it out.
[09:03] <mawst> :P
[09:03] <NathanB-dot> TPS: If they work out the bugs/crashes, yes.  I'd just be happy if they made managing drivers easier.
[09:04] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, are you using nvidia?
[09:04] <NathanB-dot> Yep.
[09:04] <bbordwell> does compiz work?
[09:04] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: can you explain how I would check that?
[09:05] <bbordwell> system>preferences>appearances>visual effects> what dot is selected?
[09:06] <NathanB-dot> The first one
[09:06] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, What happens if you try and select normal?
[09:06] <neure> hi where is 10.04 beta 1 mini cd image?
[09:07] <NathanB-dot> It asks me if I want to keep these settings.... but I don't see any change in appearance.
[09:07] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: Ex: i still cannot drag windows to different screens
[09:08] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: I mean "workspaces"
[09:08] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, if it succesfuly changed then compiz is working. if you move around your windows do you they wobble?
[09:08] <NathanB-dot> Nope
[09:09] <AbortD> are packages going to be in flux when the next beta comes out
[09:09] <bbordwell> AbortD, there is a package freeze just before beta2 so no
[09:10] <NathanB-dot> Hm. bbordwell, I clicked the last one and it enabled wobbling.
[09:10] <bbordwell> ahh, then your nvidia restricted drivers are working
[09:11] <bbordwell> the message about them not being in use is wrong. i had the same thing when using the restricted drivers in alpha, but i use nouvea now
[09:11] <bbordwell> nouveau
[09:11] <NathanB-dot> what is nouveau?
[09:12] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, it is the open source nvidia driver, it would have been in use on your system until you installed the restricted drivers
[09:12] <avis> what is more current beta 1 or a daily build downloaded at this moment ?
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: before I installed nVidia's drivers, it wouldn't work with mulitple screens.
[09:13] <bbordwell> avis, daily is always more up to date
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> The problem I'm having is that my second screen (connected via HDMI) only shows up to 640x480 (which really sucks!)
[09:13] <avis> thank you
[09:13] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, are you talking about plymouth freezing?
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> ...uh... what's plymouth?
[09:13] <bbordwell> the new boot splash
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> ya that freezes too
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> sometimes
[09:13] <NathanB-dot> but I'm not sure how they'd relate to each other
[09:14] <bbordwell> yes nouveau plus 2 displays freezes plymouth right now, i think it is plymouths fault
[09:14] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: I can't even get my 2nd screen to work properly in 9.10.
[09:15] <NathanB-dot> bbordwell: don't know if that makes a difference
[09:15] <NathanB-dot> I installed 10.04 in hopes it'd fix the problem.
[09:15] <bbordwell> NathanB-dot, well the restricted drivers are better anyway.....does it work with them?
[09:15] <NathanB-dot> no
[09:15] <NathanB-dot> that's why I'm here :)
[09:16] <bbordwell> ah same problem with the resolution?
[09:16] <NathanB-dot> I can only get up to 640x480
[09:16] <NathanB-dot> yep
[09:16] <NathanB-dot> i don't think that it detects that it's an HDMI port
[09:16] <bbordwell> i have a display hooked up via hdmi and it works great with nouveau or the restricted driver
[09:16] <bbordwell> second display i should say, the first one is dvi
[09:17] <NathanB-dot> VGA works perfectly fine, but not HDMI.
[09:17] <NathanB-dot> I should note that the computer output is HDMI, and I have an adapter which changes it to DVI
[09:18] <NathanB-dot> (no converter, just a simple adapter0
[09:18] <NathanB-dot> )*
[09:18] <bbordwell> most likely your display tells the computer its resolution in a non standard way which confuses the driver, i think i saw a bug report about it a while ago. you can probly fix it by editing your xorg.conf though i am not sure exactly what you would need to change
[09:20] <NathanB-dot> Last time I tried editing it, my system stopped showing me video.
[09:22] <AlanBell> can someone help me with a sync request https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alfresco-community/+bug/304702/comments/6
[09:23] <AlanBell> I don't know quite what to do
[09:23] <AlanBell> do I need to start with "ubuntu-bug rhino" from a lucid box?
[09:23] <bbordwell> AlanBell, try the channel #ubuntu-bugs
[09:24] <AlanBell> bbordwell: thanks
[09:26] <NathanBdot> Ah. XChat is much better than Empathy
[09:27] <AbortD> yes it is nathan
[09:27] <EdgEy> xchat is awesome, I've always used it even on win32
[09:27] <AbortD> i find empathy and evolution as a waste of code
[09:28] <NathanBdot> I'm waiting for Digsby to have a Linux version (and to add IRC support)
[09:29] <bbordwell> AlanBell, I will also try and find out if i can help you since this would be useful to know as a member of bugsqaud, as i see no one is imediatly trying to help you on ubuntu-bugs
[09:29] <AbortD> says its coming soon NathanBdot
[09:30] <NathanBdot> AbortD: ya, it has said that for 2+ years
[09:30] <ripps> hmmm, I notice some performance increases in the radeon driver, gimp doesn't lag as much as it used to. XV playback is still a crawl, so I'm sticking to GL playback
[09:30] <AbortD> haha really
[09:30] <AbortD> i wish evolution would minimize to its dock...
[09:31] <bbordwell> AbortD, me too, try alltray
[09:31] <EdgEy> Is there a way to disable the mail icon in 10.04 anyway
[09:31] <AbortD> im curious of that too edgey
[09:32] <EdgEy> I uninstalled evolution, there's not much else there email wise and it's part of the tray icons so you can't just right click remove it
[09:32] <bbordwell> AbortD, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:32] <bbordwell> oops sorry wrong person
[09:32] <bbordwell> AlanBell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[09:32] <NathanBdot> I use Avant
[09:32] <NathanBdot> ^^ AbortD
[09:33] <AbortD> i tried alltray and with 10.04 it doesnt work well with darker themes i noticed
[09:34] <AbortD> NathanBdot, mozilla tools always worked best for me
[09:34] <bbordwell> AbortD, ya its the wrong color.....
[09:35] <AbortD> the background to the alltray minimized icon should have a transparent background anyways
[09:35] <AbortD> and i hate light themes
[09:35] <NathanBdot> Anyways: I really need to get this dual-screen setup fixed somehow...
[09:35] <NathanBdot> I've been workin' on this for a week now.
[09:36] <AbortD> whats wrong with it
[09:36] <EdgEy> haha, Avant is pretty nice, thanks for the tip there
[09:38] <osteenbergen> Hi, got a problem, my laptop isn't booting anymore, problem with Nvidia, tried using nouveau but that also didn't work. Anyone knows how to get it back, I'm now stuck in recovery mode :)
[09:38] <bbordwell> osteenbergen, can you describe exactly what happens when you try and boot?
[09:38] <NathanBdot> EdgEy, no problem :) I like it.  AbortD: my second screen is connected via HDMI and nVidia won't give many any resolution options over "640x480"
[09:39] <AbortD> hm
[09:39] <AbortD> wow i didnt realize that icon was a part of the bar
[09:40] <osteenbergen> I boot, get grub, no bootscreen, error 'log-graphics mode', and in the logs I cannot find any line with error or (EE)
[09:40] <osteenbergen> 1 hour ago it was complaining about nouveau not being able to load, but I have nvidia-current installed
[09:41] <osteenbergen> it loads the nvidia driver, it just doest start correctly
[09:42] <osteenbergen> I also tried running on nouveau drivers but that keeps bugging me about the nv driver
[09:42] <bbordwell> osteenbergen, by bugging are you talking about when you boot up it says there are hardware drivers available for your computer message?
[09:43] <NathanBdot> Oooo... I don't know how I did this, but I somehow got a really nice version of AWN via apt-get. did they just update it or did I somehow download the dev version?
[09:43] <osteenbergen> bugging = it hangs and reports low graphics mode and in Xorg.0.log there is an error that says that the nv driver could not be found
[09:44] <osteenbergen> but now it loads the nvidia driver correctly and it just stops without errors
[09:44] <EdgEy> nathan, I have version 0.4.0 from apt
[09:44] <osteenbergen> I dont care if i run on nouveau or nvidia, just one that is working and I couldn't get any of them working
[09:44] <osteenbergen> And choosing run in low graphics mode just hangs the machine with a black screen
[09:45] <osteenbergen> with both drivers
[09:45] <NathanBdot> EdgEy, How do I check what version I have?
[09:45] <bbordwell> osteenbergen, i doubt it, but try removing plymouth and see if that helps
[09:45] <osteenbergen> okee will try
[09:45] <NathanBdot> EdgEy, nevermind: i have 0.4.0~rc1
[09:45] <EdgEy> NathanBdot, in the configuration settings, there's an about button
[09:45] <EdgEy> yes
[09:45] <EdgEy> Seems I got it at a good time then :P
[09:45] <NathanBdot> Much nicer than before
[09:45] <AbortD> hahahaha nice i just pwnt the envelope icon
[09:48] <osteenbergen> bbordwell: got a few messages about a missing plymouth, but still low graphics, now looking if it reported some errors
[09:49] <osteenbergen> no errors, log ends with "ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log" in Xorg.0.log
[09:50] <AbortD> edgey did u get yer icon out yet?
[09:50] <SalmonSam> how can I disable the compiz blacklists in lucid?
[09:51] <EdgEy> AbortD i'm just going to use avant and bugger off the system tray entirely
[09:51] <EdgEy> :)
[09:51] <AbortD> hehe
[09:51] <AbortD> sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages fyi if u ever need it
[09:51] <NathanBdot> EdgEy, I can't figure out how to move Avant to a different monitor...
[09:52] <SalmonSam> putting SKIP_CHECKS=yes in ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager doesn't skip the blacklist checks
[09:52] <AbortD> avants just a webbrowser ait it
[09:52] <osteenbergen> bbordwell: startx works in recovery mode and gives me a blackscreen with cursor :s
[09:52] <EdgEy> NathanBdot, no idea, I've been using single since my old one died a few years ago :/
[09:53] <NathanBdot> EdgEy, How do you live?
[09:53] <NathanBdot> haha
[09:53] <EdgEy> haha it was hard
[09:53] <EdgEy> 24" main monitor is still enough :P
[09:54] <coz_> AbortD,  avant window navigator?
[09:54] <AbortD> yeah
[09:55] <coz_> AbortD,  no its a "shortcut" dock like macosx's dock
[09:55] <coz_> AbortD,  but I think cairo dock is far more robust and configurable and certainly better than mac's
[09:56] <AbortD> yeah it is
[09:56] <NathanBdot> coz_, the new version is mucht better
[09:56] <NathanBdot> much*
[09:56] <coz_> NathanBdot,  the new avant?
[09:56] <NathanBdot> of awn*
[09:56] <NathanBdot> ya
[09:57] <NathanBdot> much better than it was
[09:57] <coz_> NathanBdot, cool I will have to test that at some point
[09:57] <NathanBdot> i haven't tried cairo
[09:57] <coz_> NathanBdot,  ah I would bee I was betraying the team if i switched lol
[09:58] <NathanBdot> it's worth noting that avant uses separate processes for each applet :)
[09:58] <coz_> mmm
[09:58] <NathanBdot> and the new one allows you to use it like a taskbar too
[09:59] <coz_> NathanBdot, I see... I think you need to at least try the new cairo dock at least once :)
[09:59] <NathanBdot> will when I have more time.
[09:59] <NathanBdot> so any ideas on getting my screen to work?
[10:00] <coz_> NathanBdot,  didnt see the previous posts you made about it
[10:00] <NathanBdot> "my second screen is connected via HDMI and nVidia won't give many any resolution options over "640x480""
[10:01] <coz_> NathanBdot,  i think you might want to switch the primary connected via HDMI not the secondary
[10:01] <NathanBdot> how?
[10:01] <NathanBdot> haha
[10:01] <coz_> NathanBdot,  hold on
[10:01] <NathanBdot> just click "Make this the primary display"?
[10:01] <SalmonSam> anyone know how I can disable the compiz blacklist , I have  nvidia card and I am getting an error saying my card is blacklisted however I think that might be because of the onboard card been an old intel card
[10:01] <NathanBdot> SalmonSam, I would help you if I wasn't a newb myself.
[10:02] <coz_> SalmonSam,  did you disable the onboard in the motherboard bios?
[10:02] <SalmonSam> It has no option , the only options are onboard or auto
[10:02] <coz_> be right back
[10:02] <SalmonSam> that was the first thing I checked
[10:02] <SalmonSam> its been like this forever I usually disable the blacklist
[10:02] <NathanBdot> If I go away, it's because I broke my display setup. I'll be back soon if that happens.
[10:04] <NathanBdot> So what's the difference between using "TwinView" and "Separate X screen"?
[10:04] <coz_> NathanBdot,  well.. twinview allows moving windows across both monitors
[10:04] <coz_> NathanBdot,  separate xscreens will not allow that
[10:05] <NathanBdot> coz_, so...what's the purpose of using x screen?
[10:06] <coz_> NathanBdot,  well there may be times in certain situation it is preferred however I have never used separate xscreens for any circumstance so I may not be the best person to answer that...I always use twinview and even with that  only dynamic twinview
[10:07] <NathanBdot> coz_, Hm ok. well then, that's not my problem...
[10:07] <NathanBdot> I changed it to primary but nothing changed...
[10:08] <coz_> NathanBdot,  i am searching online for the issue with only sporatic hits  none of which mention your particular problem however  i would also check in #nvidia channel and speak with aaraon if possible
[10:09] <coz_> NathanBdot,  aaron rather
[10:09] <NathanBdot> coz_, didn't think of trying #nvidia. I'll try that
[10:10] <NathanBdot> coz_, aaronp?
[10:10] <coz_> NathanBdot,  no aaron
[10:10] <coz_> NathanBdot,  yeah aaronp
[10:10] <coz_> apparenlty he changes his nick on occasion :)
[10:12] <bbordwell> NathanBdot, you can move windows between screens with seperate x screens
[10:13] <bbordwell> coz_ ^^^
[10:14] <coz_> bbordwell,  that's good to know
[10:14] <bbordwell> coz_ i use nouveau but when i messed around with the nvidia driver i used seperate x screens because with twinview it only syncs to 1 monitor which causes tearing on the other
[10:15] <coz_> bbordwell,  which nvidia card is this?
[10:15] <bbordwell> 9600gso
[10:15] <osteenbergen> is there a wiki about how to remove nvidia and install nouveau correctly??
[10:15] <coz_> bbordwell,  mm that's odd  ... was that the only solution?
[10:15] <bbordwell> osteenbergen, just use jockey it has worked fine for me
[10:16] <coz_> osteenbergen,  how did you install the nvidia driver?
[10:16] <osteenbergen> in alpha3 via apt-get nvidia-current
[10:16] <bbordwell> coz_ as far as i could tell. I found alot of discussion about the issue but no solution
[10:16] <osteenbergen> but jockey is a gui right?
[10:16] <bbordwell> osteenbergen, ahh sorry your gui is not working...
[10:16] <osteenbergen> ;)
[10:16] <coz_> bbordwell,  mm  generally I would talk with aaron on #nvidia or the nvews forums for a solution if there is one :)
[10:17] <iconmefisto> osteenbergen: there is jockey-text too
[10:17] <bbordwell> coz_, the underlying issue is that x is tricked into thinking it is one display with twinview so it can only synce to that one display
[10:17] <osteenbergen> i will try that :) thx
[10:18] <iconmefisto> jockey-text --help explains the options. use sudo with it too
[10:18] <coz_> bbordwell,  but why on that card?  i several cards here none that high end with no issues with tearing at all
[10:18] <NathanBdot> bbordwell, so... should I try making my secondary a separate x screen then?
[10:18] <coz_> current driver verson
[10:19] <bbordwell> NathanBdot, twinview is best if you are not having problems
[10:19] <coz_> NathanBdot,  so in nvidia settings you can get past that low res at all ?
[10:19] <coz_> cant rather
[10:19] <NathanBdot> bbordwell, but I /am/ having problems...
[10:20] <NathanBdot> coz_, nope
[10:20] <NathanBdot> coz_, I can't at all
[10:20] <coz_> NathanBdot,  but is does recognize the monitor
[10:20] <NathanBdot> even tried "hard coding it"
[10:20] <NathanBdot> yes
[10:20] <NathanBdot> "hard coding" = changing the x-conf file
[10:20] <bbordwell> coz_ well tearing is only an lcd issue AFAIK, do you have lcds? also it depends on the displays, if their refresh rates don't match up perfectly is when you get problems
[10:20] <coz_> NathanBdot,  what resolution do you have the primary monitor set to?
[10:21] <bbordwell> NathanBdot, I do not think your problem has anything to do with twinview/seperate x screes, it is the driver not recognizing the display properties of your display
[10:21] <coz_> NathanBdot,  do me a favor  in terminl run     glxinfo -l |grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE
[10:21] <NathanBdot> coz_, you said to try and change the primary to my (previous) secondary monitor, so currently it's 640x480.  My previous primary is at 1024x768
[10:22] <erghezi_> i cant change layout keyboard
[10:22] <NathanBdot>  glxinfo -l |grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE ?
[10:22] <coz_> NathanBdot,  yes
[10:22] <NathanBdot> k
[10:22] <NathanBdot> glxinfo isn't installed
[10:22] <NathanBdot> install it?
[10:22] <erghezi_> i get this error : http://pastebin.com/KQ15Cczc
[10:22] <AbortD> coz which cairo dock do u use
[10:23] <NathanBdot> coz_, ^^ :)
[10:23] <coz_> NathanBdot,  thats odd... but yes I guess so
[10:23] <bbordwell> coz_, I only noticed this problem because my second display is my TV and i use it to watch movies full-screened
[10:23] <coz_> AbortD,  well you probably want to go with the current bzr  but if you wait a few   I can meet you in #cairo-dock
[10:23] <bbordwell> The problem is always only on the second display, and it is not noticable unless there is alot of movement going on e.g. a movie or video game
[10:23] <NathanBdot> coz_, apt-get won't work right now because I'm downloading updates... is there a way to pause the updates?
[10:23] <AbortD> i can wait :P just say my name so xchat blinks
[10:23] <coz_> bbordwell,  ah ok  then i would have no experience with external tv as secondary
[10:24] <coz_> AbortD,  ok
[10:24] <coz_> NathanBdot,  you are on ubuntu right?
[10:24] <NathanBdot> ya
[10:25] <coz_> NathanBdot, its odd that glxinfo is not installed then
[10:25] <coz_> NathanBdot,  how did you install the nvidia driver?
[10:25] <NathanBdot> ubuntu lucid
[10:25] <osteenbergen> okee, removed nvidia & xorg.conf, and got a new error: (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so failed (..: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[10:25] <NathanBdot> via "Hardware Drivers"
[10:25] <coz_> NathanBdot, mmm
[10:25] <osteenbergen> so how do i disable GLX from a console :D
[10:26] <cwillu_at_work> hey, they fixed synaptic!
[10:26] <cwillu_at_work> you can actually apply actions to multiple items at a time, and it doesn't reset the sort order each time you change something!
[10:26] <bbordwell> cwillu_at_work, what was wrong with it?
[10:26]  * cwillu_at_work huggles mvo, hoping that he has his maintainers straight :p
[10:29] <mvo> cwillu_at_work: kudos to jibel
[10:29] <beeezn> hi,, i'm trying to create an image from a cd using brasero. braser just fails with the message: not all necessary applications and libraries are installed
[10:29] <beeezn> this is after i installed cdrdao
[10:29] <beeezn> beforce it complained about toc2cue and cdrdao not being installed
[10:30]  * cwillu_at_work huggles jibel 
[10:32] <mfraz74> my touchpad is misbehaving
[10:34] <SalmonSam> give it a timeout
[10:34] <mfraz74> can no longer use it for clicks or scrolling
[10:36] <mfraz74> does the green envelope icon mean i have email waiting?
[10:38] <NathanBdot> coz_, I'm still here fyi
[10:39] <SalmonSam> mfraz74, yes I think it does
[10:39] <coz_> NathanBdot,  ok :)
[10:39] <mfraz74> well, i've opened evolution and can't find any unread messages
[10:39] <coz_> NathanBdot,  i am still looking though
[10:39] <topyli> mfraz74, there was some talk a while back about using color codes to indicate urgency. i wouldn't be surprised if the color will be something else when your sip phone is ringing
[10:39] <NathanBdot> coz_, me too
[10:39] <topyli> oh, there goes that theory
[10:40] <SalmonSam> mfraz74, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/lucid-gets-green-message-alert.html
[10:40] <Aondo> it's like when it needs a reboot, the button goes red! :D
[10:42] <mfraz74> it isn't the main icon that's green, but the envelope in the menu that is
[10:42] <mfraz74> like the red restart indicator
[10:42] <bbordwell> mfraz74, I have the same thing
[10:42] <topyli> oh yeah, it looks strange in the menu
[10:42] <jibel> cwillu_at_work, \o/
[10:43] <mfraz74> hoping that an update fixes my touchpad soon, it was working fine yesterday
[10:44] <mfraz74> bbordwell: so that one shouldn't be green then?
[10:44] <bbordwell> mfraz74, I do not know
[10:44] <bbordwell> It could be on purpose though, to show you that when you have a new email the main envelope will be green
[10:46] <mfraz74> possibly
[10:54] <mfraz74> reporting a bug for xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[10:56] <NathanBdot> What download rate do you guys get when using apt-get?
[10:57] <bbordwell> NathanBdot, anywhere from 50 to 800 kb/s
[10:57] <mfraz74> installing or updating?
[10:57] <bbordwell> depends on the day...
[10:57] <NathanBdot> mfraz74, whichever.
[10:57] <NathanBdot> Best i get is 800 kb/s
[10:57] <NathanBdot> 100***
[10:57] <NathanBdot> not 800
[10:58] <NathanBdot> 800/s would be a dream
[10:58] <LucidLynx> got a problem where my laptop with LucidLynx and nVidia driver 195.36.15 + lcd screen does not wake up from auto standby
[10:58] <mfraz74> 700kB/s
[10:59] <NathanBdot> apt-get should check nearby computers (on the same LAN) for packages before trying to download them from the main server.
[10:59] <SalmonSam> usually somewhere in the late 700's for me
[11:00] <mfraz74>  bug reported, but why does it say - InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-Netbook-Remix 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Release Candidate i386
[11:00] <NathanBdot> coz_, I finally got mesa-utils installed --- glxinfo -l |grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE returns GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 4096
[11:00] <mfraz74> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/552490
[11:01] <mfraz74> ah, new update coming down now
[11:01] <coz_> NathanBdot, ah ok do you understand that?
[11:02] <NathanBdot> nope.
[11:02] <coz_> NathanBdot,  that is a hardware limitation it cannot be changed  and it means that the combined resolution of two monitors cannot exceed that 4096 resolution in any direction
[11:03] <tuga3d> hi all, just broke my ubuntu :(
[11:03] <topyli> hm, i just did updates and gnome-do is broken. how are other people's do doing? :)
[11:03] <NathanBdot> coz_, k..... so that's not my problem then since I'm only at ~1700 right now
[11:03] <NathanBdot> tuga3d, Congrats :) :-P
[11:03] <coz_> NathanBdot,  no but I wanted to be sure
[11:04] <LucidLynx> anyone else got problems with standby and x login not showing after wakeup?
[11:04] <tuga3d> made an update today, and now i get to the login screen (i had automatic login enable) i insert my data, and screen goes black and comes back to login
[11:04] <mfraz74> not using gnome-do
[11:04] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, I get those problems even without standby.
[11:04] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, I just restart and it works again
[11:05] <tuga3d> anyone with similar problem? or should i just install it again?
[11:05] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: you dont know whats causing the problem?
[11:06] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, Someone earlier said something to do with some word with a "y" in it haha
[11:06] <mfraz74> you may just need to wait until the gnome 2.30 updates catch up
[11:06] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: hahaha
[11:07] <tuga3d> where can i see what's happening after login?
[11:08] <mfraz74> can you go to terminal?
[11:08] <tuga3d> yep
[11:08] <LucidLynx> tuga3d: dmesg
[11:08] <tuga3d> LucidLynx: thanks, brb
[11:09] <NathanBdot> I'm so incredibly frustrated that I can't get this monitor to work
[11:10] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: what monitor?
[11:10] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, "my second screen is connected via HDMI and nVidia won't give many any resolution options over "640x480""
[11:13] <mfraz74> going to try a reboot
[11:14] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: you have tried xrandr? did u get an error?
[11:16] <mfraz74> touchpad is now behaving :)
[11:16] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, just throw "xrandr" into the terminal?
[11:17] <erik__> My touchpad just went crazy after the latest updates. Any fix?
[11:17] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, it returns:
[11:17] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: google xrandr i never used hdmi with ubuntu
[11:18] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, http://pastebin.org/129271
[11:18] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: what is your videocard? and do you have proprietary drivers installed
[11:18] <NathanBdot> I have nVidia installed.
[11:19] <NathanBdot> and it says I have "nVidia GeForce 7150 / nForce 630i"
[11:19] <erik__> mfraz74: the first message that came after i joined was you saying your touchbad is now behaving. did it just break with the recent updates? and if so, how did you fix it?
[11:20] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: nvidia-settings and try detect then enable twinview and apply. that gives u 640x480?
[11:20] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, Yep.
[11:21] <NathanBdot> I have other options, but that's the largest.
[11:21] <Timo_> Hello lads, I had a problem with 10.04 gnome, anyone know whether this is fixed or not?
[11:21] <Timo_> I believe I've read that it is?
[11:22] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, If i want to, I can almost go Super iPhone with 400x300
[11:22] <bbordwell> Timo_, What exactly was your problem?
[11:22] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: have you tried to add the mode to your xorg.conf
[11:22] <Timo_> bbordwell, I've done a clean install, and there were just 2 empty panels, as the gnome panel had 'configure errors' or something
[11:22] <NathanBdot> Yep. But tell me what you think I should do and I'll try it.
[11:22] <Timo_> bbordwell, there were a few features left, but not much :p
[11:23] <tuga3d> back :)
[11:23] <bbordwell> timo_, how long ago was this?
[11:23] <mfraz74> erik__: i did another update which had a new version of xserver-org-input-synaptics and rebooted
[11:23] <tuga3d> dmesg type=1503
[11:23] <Timo_> bbordwell, the day after the beta release so that was 20th of march?
[11:23] <bbordwell> timo_, you used the beta cd image?
[11:24] <Timo_> Yes
[11:24] <bbordwell> strange, did you check the disk for errors before installing?
[11:25] <Timo_> bbordwell, I think I didn't
[11:25] <erik__> oh, wow. a new one is available already. that was fast. ill give that a try. thanks! (:
[11:25] <Timo_> bbordwell, now I'm talking to you anyways, in 9.04 I was able to make a USB startup for any distro, but in 9.10 the format function fails every time
[11:26] <Timo_> bbordwell, I can still go on a 9.04 live CD and install the USB with the USB Creator out there
[11:26] <bbordwell> Timo, most likely an error on the disk, when you burn the disk use a slower speed than maximum. also if your going to try to install again use a daily cd. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:26] <bbordwell> Timo_, does it work for ubuntu at least?
[11:27] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, coz_  - i'm going to try rebooting. be back soon.
[11:27] <Timo_> bbordwell, ok I'll use the daily one:> and the usb creator does NOT work on 9.10
[11:28] <Timo_> bbordwell, mm it might actually works now, hold on
[11:28] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: ok goodluck http://pastebin.org/129275
[11:29] <bbordwell> timo_, you could try instaling the version from 9.04 (http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/all/usb-creator/download)
[11:29] <Timo_> ah that's sweet
[11:29] <Timo_> :)
[11:29] <erik__> my touchpad works again now. thanks :)
[11:29] <bbordwell> timo_ you will have to remove the current version first
[11:29] <Timo_> bbordwell, yoo thanks!
[11:30] <tuga3d> LucidLynx: here's there error on dmesg: type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::"
[11:30] <Timo_> bbordwell, BRB! Will tell you when it worked out
[11:30] <bbordwell> also it may not install for sure, but i looked at the dependencies and it looked like it should be easy
[11:33] <tuga3d> damn internet :(
[11:34] <Torrentow_> sudo killall -u root?
[11:36] <NathanBdot> Hey all I'm back.
[11:36] <NathanBdot> Any news on how to get my resolution working?
[11:36] <gord> hi all, any problems with the live image today? couldn't get fridays image to boot past plymouth
[11:40] <LucidLynx> A
[11:46] <LucidLynx> tuga3d: its an error in cupsd i think u can ignore it
[11:47] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: did u try replacing ur xorg.conf
[11:49] <Timo_> bbordwell, I've got it on my USB stick now, will try to let it work l8er on
[11:49] <Timo_> :>
[11:50] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, with what?
[11:50] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, it currently has the original.
[11:51] <LucidLynx> something like this: http://pastebin.org/129275
[11:51] <DSpair> Anyone else seeing Aptitude crash after updating?
[12:01] <avis> is it safe to use the restricted driver for nvidia at this point ?
[12:02] <danopia> does the new drive not do accelerated 3D?
[12:02] <danopia> driver*
[12:02] <SalmonSam> avis, it appears to work for me
[12:02] <avis> thanks SalmonSam
[12:03] <avis> i just got the daily build and installed from scratch. fixed my firefox not opening problem also icons are correctly colored in the system tray upper right
[12:04] <avis> i wish i could give the gnome weather applet my coordinates.  i tried editing Locations.xml but i'm no vi expert, and nano and gedit wouldn't do it
[12:05] <SalmonSam> anyone else unable to play from daap shares with rhythmbox?
[12:06] <avis> i hope they can squeeze in alsa 1.22 in the final release.  i've got a card in here that doesn't work  cmi 8788 chipset
[12:14] <SalmonSam> http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5209/selection017.png
[12:14] <SalmonSam> I get that when trying to play music off my daap share
[12:14] <SalmonSam> it looks like it is treating it like the music store
[12:16] <Emry> If a windows machine (actually a samba server on another linux box) is showing up in my network window, is there a way to find its IP address so that I can ssh into it?  ssh user@machinename doesn't seem to work right. :P
[12:17] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, I'm a newbie. Last time I tried editing it, my computer went blank upon bootup; so basically, I'm not sure how I should edit that file to work properly with my setup.
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> wow 400+mb of updates :) i should update this machine more then once a week
[12:26] <MTughan> Dr_Willis: That's probably because it's a beta version. Bugs are being fixed all the time.
[12:26] <Emry> Yeah, once Lucid has been live for three weeks, updates will drop to about 4mb on an average week. :P
[12:26] <nzmm> Dr_Willis: man i looked the other day an all update-manager wanted to do was remove tonnes of packages
[12:27] <Emry> rebooting for a bit.
[12:27] <Dr_Willis> Not sure if its better do do daily updates... or weekly ones. :)
[12:27] <Busata> so, no upgrades at all, or at own risk? :p
[12:28] <Busata> cause I survived last updates fine!
[12:28] <nzmm> yea i am thinking leave for a while...
[12:28] <LucidLynx> NathanBdot: did u install nvtv from synaptics
[12:28] <Busata> roommate broke his gnome atm
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> Seems that its been Plymouth thats breaking/fixing/breaking again lately
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> and gnome/kde not wanting to start up properly heh
[12:28] <nzmm> man i nvidia, plymouth is :(
[12:29] <Busata> roommate's lucid wants to boot up kde atm
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> I just disabled plymouth - i really dont see the point of it.
[12:29] <Busata> and as far as he knows he never really installed it
[12:29] <nzmm> lol
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> I have been testing out the lastest kde. - its gotten very good.
[12:29] <MTughan> Yeah, Plymouth's not even working for me now on an ATI card.
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> For all Plymouth does.. theres a lot of work going into it.. with .. well.. very little real gain. 'boot process looks smoother' - woopiee. :)
[12:30] <LucidLynx> lol
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> with 20-30 sec boot times.. i power up.. and befor i sit down - its booted..
[12:31] <Busata> so, how do you disable plymouth? :p
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> i removed the  conf files in /etc/init
[12:31] <Busata> and I hope 20-30 sec boottimes with plymouth, cause if it takes you 20-30 secs to sit down, I'm a little worried!
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> so i dident Uninstall it.. i just disabled it from starting
[12:32] <robin0800> just got gnome 2.30 in updates
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Gotta take my jacket off.. pet the dog when he jumps in my lap.. grab the soda...
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> of course with 3+ week uptimes... its not like a 30 sec boot time is that big a deal either
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> plymouth = eyecandy that i see like .0000000000000001% of the time i am at the pc.
[12:33] <LucidLynx> lol
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Gotta make the os Shiny AND sparkley!
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Then get sick with the default wallpaper.
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> go figure. heh
[12:35] <Busata> well, the only delay I seem to have is _'ing for a while after grub
[12:35] <nzmm> plymouth is long term. a by-product of Kernal Mode Setting which offers a lot long-term
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> theres lots of things that promise 'better features in the long term' but we will see.
[12:36] <nzmm> true, but KMS is a big break through
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> Yep. an totally overshadowed by all thise other things going on - (at least its rarely mentioned at the variouys ubuntu news/review sites)
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> but get a new theme tweak.. and its on every blot.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> blog. :)
[12:37] <vish> hmm , how do i force a package to install even if it says depends are broken?  [seems the debugging symbols are having broken depends]
[12:37] <LucidLynx> google lucid kms its all bugs top 10
[12:37] <LucidLynx> lol
[12:39] <penguin42> vish: if you are **really** sure you want to do that you can do dpkg -i --force-depends
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> that will void your warrenty :)
[12:39] <penguin42> vish: But don't underestimate how much you can break things by forcing
[12:39] <vish> hrm.. :s
[12:40] <danyR> last time i tried forcing a package install, libc6 broke. nothing worked, kernel panic, reinstallation. but i'm probbaly beinh just to dramatic
[12:40] <vish> well , i have enough troubles already :p
[12:40] <the_dark_warrio> I've just updated, and my touch pad isn't working properly: it does not have scrolling or clicking function, event if it is enabled in preferences. Anyone on the same situation?
[12:42] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, No.... and I'm not sure I know what synaptics is
[12:42] <guntbert> the_dark_warrio: no help from me - but you should tell us the make of your notebook :)
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> synapatics = touch pad driver/maker
[12:42] <the_dark_warrio> Well, it is a Dell Vostro 1310
[12:43] <nzmm> ... heh well really my Ubuntu is going great lately soo apart from boot splash i cant complain too much :)
[12:43] <NathanBdot> LucidLynx, Should I try installing NVTV?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Plymouth update just notified me of the disabling i did of the service. :) it was nice enough to ask me if i wanted to restore the configs.
[12:46] <the_dark_warrio> Running 'lsmod', should synaptic be listed in there?
[12:47] <guntbert> the_dark_warrio: no
[12:47] <the_dark_warrio> hmm
[12:47] <the_dark_warrio> well, I'm not a linux ninja, so I don't know how to track the touchpad problem :D
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> its a X driver/module.. there is a synaptic_i2c module i see.. but not sure what it is
[12:48] <the_dark_warrio> I see
[12:51] <robin0800> the_dark_warrio: you might want to get Pointing Device from software centre
[12:52] <the_dark_warrio> I will make another test. I was updating against Brazillian server, which is a little bit old. Now I'm updating from the main server
[12:53] <the_dark_warrio> brb
[12:56] <the_dark_warrior> Hehe, worked like a charm. I should have seen which packages it did upgrade
[12:57] <the_dark_warrior> Is there a log for the last update?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> I think thers somthing liek it in /var/log
[12:59] <penguin42> there is dpkg.log
[12:59] <the_dark_warrior> I will take a look
[13:00] <blaamann> desktopcouch-service runs at 100%. Is it safe to kill it?
[13:00] <penguin42> oh and for new installation /var/log/installer - but I don't think that gets changed by updaes
[13:01] <guntbert> blaamann: I do that now and then - no problems so far
[13:02] <the_dark_warrior> Oh, there is a xserver-xorg-input-synaptics update ;)
[13:02] <blaamann> guntbert: Looks like it was related to ubuntu-one as the login process was consuming cpu as well. Killed them both.
[13:02] <the_dark_warrior> so i guess that fixed my problem. Nice
[13:03] <the_dark_warrior> thanks guys, cya
[13:06] <erik__> Hello again. My system totally freezes once every 15 minutes or so, I think it is related to wifi.
[13:07] <erik__> I had issues with extremely unstable wifi in 9.10, so i decided to try the beta. Im getting much better signal strenght and speed, but my computer totally freezes and needs a hard restart when it looses signal.
[13:08] <erik__> Any logs I could check or something to figure out whats causing the problem, and hopefully find a solution?
[13:09] <avis> erik__, might be a hardware problem of some sort
[13:10] <avis> i dont remember log file names someone else can help
[13:10] <blaamann> erik__: What's your wlan adapter?
[13:10] <erik__> Atheros
[13:11] <avis> erik__, you might see if there is a different driver alternative to your wifi chipset
[13:11] <ppine> Hello, how to pass on extra options on a program started at boot by a init.d script?
[13:11] <erik__> 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[13:11] <blaamann> erik__: Using the ath5k module?
[13:11] <erik__> yep
[13:11] <avis> i had the same problem some distro before lucid i fixed it by using the driver in the restricted manager, had a different name, then it quit locking up
[13:12] <blaamann> erik__: I stopped using the network-manager and my problems are gone with an atheros card.
[13:13] <avis> failing that you could get the latest stable or bleeding edge driver and compile another ath5k module to see if that works, but it would be best to look for alternative in restricted hardware manager
[13:13] <erik__> what should I use instead?
[13:14] <avis> you can configure /etc/network/interfaces but be sure if you remove network-manager-gnome and network-manager that you have a backup to get online.  at least a static eth0 or eth1 entry
[13:14] <erik__> the driver that came with 9.10 was really unstable. i got about 30-40% signal strenght and it was really unstable. in 10.04 im getting 80-90% signal strenght, and its more stable, but when it drops my whole system freezes.
[13:14] <blaamann> erik__: Alternatively you can just stop network-manager and then configure your card with iwconfig.
[13:14] <avis> i must fetch coffee
[13:18] <erik__> thanks a lot. ill try the restricted driver first, and if that doesnt work ill stop using network-manager (:
[13:18] <erik__> um. stupid question, but. where do I find the restricted hardware manager in 10.04?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> sytesm -> admin
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> same as its always been
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> they just like to make the name diffrent :)
[13:20] <erik__> ah. thanks. was looking for "restricted" and couldnt find it anywhere (:
[13:21] <alex_mayorga> anyone getting "starting: applet not initialized" everywhere where Java should work?
[13:21] <alex_mayorga> how to fix?
[13:21] <erik__> it doesnt find any drivers. just totally blank. am i supposed to add a driver to it manually or something?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> erik__:  not really..
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> erik__:  its supposed to magically see/know what it can do.
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> what hardware ware we even talking about?
[13:22] <erik__> thought so. but its just an empty window
[13:22] <erik__> atheros wlan
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> I thought those were built in now a days
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> !atheros
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[13:23] <erik__> it is. but its really unstable, and freezes my system.
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> thats dosent mean theres going to be alternatives in the hw-driver tool :)
[13:23] <erik__> so, someone recommended i should try a restricted driver for it. but i cant find any in hardware manager.
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> poroberly not in there any more then.
[13:23] <erik__> seems so
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> may want to check theforums for that wireless card
[13:24] <erik__> ive been looking around the forums a bit. my card was a lot more unstable in 9.10
[13:24] <erik__> but in 10.04 my whole system freeze and needs a hard restart when the card loses connectivity.
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> so its improved to being very unstable.. to slightly unstable. :)
[13:25] <erik__> in 9.10 it just needed a reconnect.
[13:25] <erik__> yep.
[13:25] <erik__> but when it crashes, my whole system freeze.
[13:26] <Viper1432> Anyone else having connection issues with logitech bluetooth keyboard/mice?  Seems like whatever was done to the bluetooth applet has killed em.
[13:28] <bjsnider> erik__, according to the ath9k page here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k#supported_chipsets
[13:29] <edgy> Hi, I booted from live CD and launched gparted but I can't resize my ext4 partition, why?
[13:29] <bjsnider> your chipset was only supported starting with the .29 kernel
[13:29] <bjsnider> so you should probably be using the linux-backports-modules package to get a newer ath9k driver
[13:30] <Viper1432> okay, now I'm confused.  what is the difference between this channel and the "ubuntu-testing" channel?
[13:30] <erik__> ill check that out, thanks bjsnider
[13:31] <Ian_Corne> I think the testing one is made for the time between release and alpha 1?
[13:31] <alex_mayorga> bug 452413 maybe?
[13:32] <erik__> which backports-module should I use?
[13:33] <bjsnider> erik__, just install the metapackage
[13:34] <erik__> wireless-karmic-generic?
[13:34] <bjsnider> it should be called linux-backports-modules-lucid
[13:34] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-lucid
[13:35] <erik__> :(
[13:35] <bjsnider> ok, so they changed something
[13:35] <bjsnider> i'm not sure how it's organized now
[13:36] <bjsnider> erik__, you could ask the kernel team directly in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:36] <erik__> will do (:
[13:36] <bjsnider> just ask what package has the latest backported ath9k driver
[13:36] <IdleOne> apt-cache search linux-bacports list several packages
[13:36] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-karmic
[13:37] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-karmic karmic
[13:38] <erik__>  #ubuntu-kernel :Cannot send to channel
[13:38] <IdleOne> linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-16-generic
[13:38] <guntbert> bjsnider: the metapackage is missing: linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic     linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-preempt       linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-server
[13:38] <IdleOne> not sure that is the one you need for ath9k
[13:39] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid
[13:39] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-wireless
[13:39] <bjsnider> i haven't got my lucid vm running
[13:40] <bjsnider> !info linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
[13:40] <bjsnider> install that one
[13:40] <erik__> thanks
[13:41] <IdleOne> linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic-pae what is pae for?
[13:41] <erik__> do i need to do anything more after installing them? or is a reboot enough?
[13:41] <bjsnider> erik__, you'll need to reboot
[13:41] <bjsnider> the system will tell you that though
[13:41] <erik__> and then the new drivers will be in use? nothing i need to configure?
[13:41] <bjsnider> right
[13:41] <erik__> alright, great :)
[13:42] <erik__> installed now. ill reboot and see if it works better :)
[13:42] <bjsnider> the ath9k is probably taken right out of john linville's repository rather than a kernel
[13:42] <erik__> thanks a lot.
[13:42] <akio> barbara, what firmware version do you have on your touchpad? dmesg | grep Synaptics
[13:43] <avis> can anyone tell me if there is a ppa where i can upgrade to 1.0.22 alsa on lucid ?
[13:44] <bjsnider> ubuntu-audio-dev might have it
[13:47] <avis> thank you
[13:52] <Milos_SD> Hi
[13:52] <Milos_SD> gnome-appereance-properties doesn't work for me
[13:53] <Milos_SD> and my cursor is KDE 4 one, and not DMZ-White when I turn compiz on
[13:53] <Milos_SD> :D
[13:53] <Milos_SD> anyone know when this will be fixed ? :D
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> someone off who knows their computer math better then me..  tell me how much slower  512Kbps   is then 12 Mbps    like 1/10th? or 1/100th?
[13:53] <yofel> Milos_SD: remove oxygen-cursor-theme, select another cursor, or check with galternatives what x-cursor-theme is se to
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> 512Kbps = .5 Mbps ?
[13:54] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: 20
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> 20 times slower.
[13:54] <Viper1432> bug #550288
[13:54] <vish> Dr_Willis: yes , 24 times slower
[13:54] <vish> 512Kbps = .5 Mbps
[13:57] <vish> yofel: i have a similar problem.. how do i check galternatives?
[13:58] <vish> hmm , seems like it asks for a new install of galternatives
[13:58] <yofel> vish: galternatives is a gtk gui for update-alternatives, 'update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme' should do the same
[13:59] <vish> oh..
[14:00] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, move to japan where everybody has gigabit internet up and down symmetrically for $45/month
[14:00] <avis> morning Dr_Willis
[14:01] <avis> i get 31mbit down from comcast, and it cost me $29.99
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> compareing 'wireelss' internet service with cable service for a guy
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Comcast here is saying my rate is going up.
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> so looking at alternatives.. but the cable company still seems to have all other alterantives beat.
[14:05] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: The problem is that you are comparing different things with contention in different places
[14:05] <vish> yofel: thanks , that fixed it.. had to reselect the pointer and restart compiz
[14:05]  * yofel spent an afternoon once figuring that out...
[14:05] <yofel> glad to be of help :)
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> yep. They dont even offer a 31 down service. But i am suppose dto call them at the end of this month and see what special they got.  i got a 'discount plan' due to them buying out insight last year. and it expires at the end of the month
[14:06] <vish> yofel: why does that happen?  i tried restarts and what not...nothing seemed to solve it :s
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> digging through all the marketing Hype is 1/2 the battle
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> I imagine the term 'PowerBoost(r)' is pure marketing hype that means very little or would rarely be used. :) thanks for the info.
[14:08] <yofel> vish: not sure, I don't know how cursor settings in gnome/compiz is done, but for some reason oxygen sets its own cursors as the default (I think alternatives sorts alphabetially if options have the same priority)
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> Ive had cursor issues in the past also.  It gets even more confuseing whenyou add in KDE to the mix
[14:08] <yofel> Dr_Willis: that's what we're talking about :P (oxygen)
[14:09] <vish> weird though.. but the oxygen cursors are much better ;p than the default , finally got it back \o/
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> the good old days of alering the X cursor font package. :0 how do we miss them...
[14:10] <yofel> heh, I didn't joing linx yet back then ^^
[14:10] <yofel> *linux
[14:10] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: It's horribly complex in Gnome now; there's a hook in the X cursor setting code (that used to be nice and simple) that now goes all the way through the font code
[14:10] <penguin42> ^font^theme
[14:15] <c_korn> this is not good. the confirmation window for the compiz effects has frozen: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/49774/screenshot_001_s4B9QY.png
[14:17] <c_korn> it always freezes
[14:17] <penguin42> c_korn: Sounds likes graphics driver problems
[14:17] <c_korn> penguin42: I use the drivers from the repository
[14:18] <c_korn> it also seems that compiz has been activated successfully and is running fine. only this confirmation window has frozen
[14:20] <yofel> c_korn: run it in strace to see where it get's stuck?
[14:21] <Leif> I'm currently running ubuntu 10.04 64-bit on an i3 possessor, and it crashes spuradically from time to time (once every couple of hours), does anyone know if it would be less likely to crash if I ran the 32-bit version?
[14:21] <penguin42> Leif: I doubt the 64bitness is related to it
[14:21] <Leif> penguin42: Rats, okay, thanks.
[14:22] <c_korn> yofel: how can I run this window in strace ?
[14:22] <Leif> So, other than submiting a bug report, and hoping that someone picks it up, is there anything else I can do?
[14:23] <penguin42> Leif: when you say it crashes can you give any more info? Is it a total crash? Does capslock still work? Anything else?
[14:23] <yofel> c_korn: the appearance settings window behind it is frozen too?
[14:25] <Leif> See, my point exactly, it just crashed.
[14:25] <kushalone> I am running 2.29.92 will 2.3 be pushed to me or do they want me to go to the main menu to update?
[14:26] <Leif> So, again, I'm using an i3 prosesor, and I think that may be what's causing it.
[14:26] <Leif> Other than just submiting a bug report, is there anything I can do to make it crash less.
[14:26] <yofel> c_korn: try running it as 'strace gnome-appearance-properties' should work, then see what it does when the window hangs
[14:26] <penguin42> Leif: It's a bit difficult to know because it depends why it's failing; if you're using desktop effects I'd turn them off and see if it helps
[14:27] <penguin42> Leif: I'd also make sure you're running latest BIOS on the system and that if you can get any temperatures out of it that they don't seem too hot
[14:27] <yofel> kushalone: 2.30 will be available as updates, but please don't apply any partial upgrades right now
[14:27] <c_korn> yofel: this is the last output: futex(0x2633170, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL
[14:28] <Leif> penguin42: Okay, I am running desktop effects, I'll try turning them off.
[14:28] <Leif> penguin42: I'm not sure what to do about the bios, but I can look that up.
[14:28] <kushalone> thanks, yofel I also have another question... where do error reports go? I just submitted a 119 MB error report https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1113083/2010/Screenshot-Apport%20oneMassiveErrorReport.png
[14:28] <Leif> penguin42: Thank you very much.
[14:28] <penguin42> Leif: Also when it crashes try ctrl-alt-f1 to see if it gets you back to a console, if it does there might be possible to get more debug
[14:29] <Leif> penguin42: Nope, it's completely locked up.  I tried that.
[14:29] <yofel> kushalone: please resend it in a few hours, Launchpad is read-only right now for maintenance
[14:29] <Leif> penguin42: Mainly so I could try to soft reset it, rather than having to hard reset it.  But it still didn't work.
[14:29] <yofel> c_korn: can you pastebin the last... 100 lines maybe?
[14:29] <kushalone> I kind of assumed it was normal but just wanted to know... is it normal to get randomly logged out and returned to the login screen when running 10.04b?
[14:30] <yofel> Leif: does 'alt+sysrq+k' do something? (sysrq should be the print screen button in most cases)
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a X server crash kushalone
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> X ctrashes - gdm restarts it.
[14:30] <guntbert> kushalone: not really
[14:31] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: I think it is a known bug though, right?
[14:31] <c_korn> yofel: http://pastebin.com/URN6QaKE
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of reasons X could crash. :) so proiberly several known bugs.
[14:32] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: I added myself on a list of people. If I remember correctly, it said it affected me and eight others.
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> most likely cause.  the video card driver.
[14:32] <patdk-wk> oom? :)
[14:33] <Leif> yofel: Ah, so that's what it does, woops. :)
[14:33] <kushalone> Dr_Willis:  I am using the Nouveau drivers, I think. No nVidia closed drivers on this system right now.
[14:33] <yofel> Leif: err... sorry, should have explained that with a bit more details...
[14:33] <Leif> yofel: It just restarts X, like Ctr+Alt+Backspace?  If that's what it does, than no, it doesn't work (at least, even after activating Ctr+Alt+backspace, it doesn't
[14:33] <Leif> yofel: He, he, it's okay, thanks anyway.
[14:34] <kushalone> just a generic nVidia 32 MB AGP graphics card from the old days
[14:34] <yofel> it kills all processes on the current tty (which means it kills X when you're on tty7)
[14:34] <Leif> Oh, also, I have intel's integrated media accelerator for a pseudo graphics card.
[14:34] <yofel> yeah, all i3 processors have those I think
[14:35] <yofel> hm...
[14:35] <Leif> Well, it's not so much that it 'kills' it, but just that everything freezes.
[14:35] <kushalone> Does anyone remember what I need to type in terminal to start Apport and resend error messages?
[14:35] <Leif> And the only thing I can do, is hard reset the thing.
[14:35] <yofel> maybe a newer graphics driver would help?, the intel driver in lucid isn't really that recent
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> and from what i gather - wont be updated  soon either.
[14:36]  * patdk-wk has had no issues with intel video in jaunty/karmic, haven't tried lucid on that system yet
[14:36] <kushalone> Leif, have you tried to do soft reboot?
[14:36] <Leif> Mmm...maybe, I'll try that.  penguin42, was asseting that the card might get too hot, but I haven't tested it, do you think that could cause those symptoms?
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> the nouveau drivers are very much still a work in progress. :) from what ihear
[14:36] <Leif> kushalone: By going into run level 3, and typing in reboot, yes.
[14:36] <yofel> Leif: you'll find them here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa (PLEASE read the description first)
[14:36] <Leif> I couldn't drop into run level 3
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> !runlevels
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> There really is no runlevel 3. it should be thesame as 2
[14:37] <yofel> it is the same as 2
[14:37] <penguin42> where do core dumps end up these days?
[14:37] <yofel> not that upstart has a sane definition of runlevels anyway
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> 'sudo reboot' :)
[14:38] <yofel> penguin42: either they're catched by apport or they go to /dev/null I think
[14:38] <Leif> Dr_Willis: Okay, than by dropping into the terminal.4
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> make a user named 'reboot' make their default shell to be 'reboot' and set reboot command SUID :)
[14:38] <penguin42> yofel: It's a bit odd because it says (on my own code) Segmentation fault (core dumped) and that always used to mean it had actually put it somewhere
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> then you can login as reboot..and system reboots.. :P
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> I think theres some setting wether or not to save coredumps
[14:39]  * patdk-wk wonders what happens if you ssh in as halt :)
[14:40] <Leif> yofel: So, this supposedly will fix the problem, even though I"ll have to reinstall some packaged manuelly?
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> make a user called 'fbiatthedoor' that has a default shell that erases the whole system :)
[14:40] <yofel> penguin42: the core file size for the use environment should be set to 0 by default (see ulimit -c for bash I think) so it shouldn't  got anywhere and it should be in the current directory if you set it to >0
[14:40] <yofel> *user environment
[14:41] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm you're right - it's 0 - I thought in the old days if you had a core limit of 0 it didn't actually say core dumped
[14:41] <yofel> Leif: I have no idea, I just know that the i3 chips are pretty new, so it *might* help
[14:42] <Leif> yofel: Ah, okay.
[14:42] <Leif> Well, thank you for your help, I'll first check out the heat, then that.
[14:43] <rye> penguin42, kernel.core_pattern = |/usr/share/apport/apport %p %s %c
[14:43] <rye> penguin42, sysctl that controls where cores are send to (file / piped)
[14:43] <yofel> penguin42: acutally I think you're right with that, but now it still shows core dumped with size 0 :/
[14:44] <rye> btw, launchpad is now in r/o mode, so no bugs can be reported
[14:44] <penguin42> rye: Yeuch I see
[14:44] <rye> hmm
[14:44] <rye> launchpad is back?
[14:45] <yofel> rye: yes, but not if you're running from a terminal, then you'll get a 'core' file in the current dir on a segfault
[14:45] <yofel> hm, LP still shows the yellow box here
[14:46] <rye> well, no public announcement about end-of-outage
[14:47] <avis> i got it to work !  i got sound under lucid for my CMI8788 chipset soundcard.  i am one with zen now.  om.  :)  the audio-dev ppa did the trick once i found the modules matching my pae kernel.  i can now live under a ubuntu box and use that creepy windows 7 box for music shopping alone :)  thank you all especially the last person to suggest it to me.  i'm very happy
[14:47] <Leif> Okay, while I doubt this isn't an ubuntu problem, I just ran 'sudo sensors-detect', and, well, there doesn't appear to be any sensors I can use, what can I do now?
[14:47] <guntbert> Leif: tell us a bit about your hardware
[14:47] <Ian_Corne> music shopping? avis ?
[14:48] <penguin42> Leif: I suspect it doesn't know about i3 yet, I know my i7 is a bit fiddly to get any temperatures from
[14:48] <Leif> guntbert: It's a Sony VIO VPC EB11FM
[14:48] <Leif> penguin42: Okay, so there's nothing I can do?
[14:48] <avis> Ian_Corne, itunes.  the quality is consistant in their music files, and i like their audio book selection.  i'm interested in the new ubuntu music store, i heard they were going to do that.  no idea when or what about it
[14:48] <penguin42> Leif: You could try modprobe coretemp
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> avis: it's live now
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> check out rhythmbox
[14:49] <avis> the music store is inside of rhythmbox ?
[14:49] <Ian_Corne> yes
[14:49] <avis> thank you for that information
[14:49] <guntbert> Leif: the reason I asked: sensors are very much hardware dependend - on my lenovo T60 lm_sensors don't work at all (documented)
[14:49] <avis> i'm gonna switch speaker jacks
[14:50] <Leif> guntbert: I see.  Well, it's a laptop, again, it has an i3 prosesor, with an intel integrated media accelerator.
[14:51] <guntbert> Leif: sorry to disappoint you - it was just a general question - I am not good with that kind of stuff :-(
[14:51] <Leif> guntbert: It's okay. :)
[14:51] <Leif> penguin42: I get this error: leif@leif-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe coretemp
[14:51] <Leif> FATAL: Error inserting coretemp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-18-generic/kernel/drivers/hwmon/coretemp.ko): No such device
[14:52] <penguin42> Leif: See how it goes without desktop effects, if it settles out and is OK then the other things I'd try would be the daily kernel builds from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/   they have drivers for the latest hardware, and if you get fairly sure it's an X problem I'd run xorg-edgers which is bleeding edge graphics stuff
[14:53] <penguin42> Leif: Either way, report the bug once launchpad is back - Ubuntu should work on i3
[14:53] <Leif> penguin42: Okay.
[14:54] <kushalone> hi guys, how do I get empathy to have access to my keyring without me having to type in the master password every time I log in?
[14:55] <guntbert> kushalone: it will work if you don't auto login
[14:56] <kushalone> guntbert: so I should disable auto-login?
[14:57] <Leif> penguin42: Oh, if I had trouble with compiz, should I also have trouble with 3d games in ubuntu?
[14:57] <guntbert> kushalone: that is one way - the other one (not recommended because insecure!!!) would be to remove the password from the key ring
[14:57] <penguin42> Leif: Well that's just the guess if it's 3d issues
[14:57] <Leif> penguin42: Ah, okay.  I guess I'll just have to give it a shot, again, thank you. :)
[15:00] <kushalone> guntbert: what if I drop my admin privileges and remove user password from the users settings?
[15:01] <guntbert> kushalone: thats even worse - than removing the key ring password - My advice: disable auto login
[15:02] <kushalone> guntbert: do you remember how to do that in gnome?
[15:02] <guntbert> kushalone: do what now?
[15:02] <Dr_Willis> gdm config has that setting for autologin
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> but the keyring will still ask for its password
[15:04] <kushalone> System > Administration >> Login screen  (:
[15:04] <greg606> HI
[15:04] <greg606> I have no keyboard after 10.4 update :(((( Help please
[15:05] <fabio333> greg606>: im not sure i can help you
[15:05] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: so you are saying that disabling auto login will not stop that stupid keyring prompt from popping up?
[15:05] <fabio333> but let me have a glance at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:06] <Dr_Willis> kushalone:  it will not
[15:06] <greg606> fabio333: how?
[15:06] <murielgodoi> Hi guys, desktopcouch-se is eating my cpu (100%) that started yesterday after an update.
[15:06] <fabio333> use  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:06] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: Why can I not give applications access to keyrings? This sounds really dumb.
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> kushalone:  set a empty password.. and it wont ask.. as basic as that
[15:07] <Dr_Willis> keyring password is there for a reason. use it or not
[15:08] <greg606> fabio333: keyboard doesn't work!
[15:08] <greg606> ;)
 lol you are right
[15:09] <fabio333> but wait, it wont work after you enter gnome...
[15:09] <greg606> fabio333: now when I log in using onscreen keyboard I am at some consoe
[15:09] <greg606> console
[15:09] <fabio333> start your ubuntu in recovery mode and the keyboard should work....
[15:09] <greg606> and can't do nothing :(
[15:09] <kushalone> greg606: system > administration >> log viewer. does the mouse work?
[15:10] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: if I remember correctly the entrance of the login password also unlocks the gnome keyring
 right
[15:10] <greg606> I cannot access desktop
[15:10] <kushalone> ouch
[15:10] <greg606> :D
[15:10] <sweet> exit
[15:11] <greg606> is there something like f8 in windows in linux?
[15:11] <Unksi> whats f8 in windows? :D
[15:11] <greg606> "boot menu"
[15:11] <fabio333>  f8: freak 8 or freak out
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> such a logical choice for windows to use eh...
[15:12] <billybigrigger_> greg606, hold shift when you see the grub loading text
[15:12] <Busata> grub?
[15:12] <akio> UnderTaLker, boot into runlevel 1
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> grub has 10x the features  of F8 :)
[15:13] <greg606> I gues I don't have grub :P
[15:13] <kushalone> Dr_Willis: I had to use something sillier in Mac
[15:13] <kushalone> greg606: everyone has grub. unless you are using some version of suSE, which you are not
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> i did also ages ago. :)
[15:14] <kushalone> kushalone: I still do. I "administer" a macbook.
[15:15] <Unksi> ahh yeah that menu :D
[15:15] <Unksi> thought after logging in.. :D
[15:19] <Emry> :P The most recent update made my sound go away, any suggestions on what to look for?
[15:20] <murielgodoi> hi guys, anyone know that desktopcouch-se process is responsible for? It is getting my cpu 100% used
[15:22] <alex_mayorga> !info desktopcouch
[15:22] <billybigrigger> murielgodoi, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9053820
[15:23] <billybigrigger> murielgodoi, guess what? i googled "desktopcouch-se" and got a whole bunch of hits on " desktopcouch-se is eating my cpu"
[15:23] <billybigrigger> i imagine that is a good start :)
[15:25] <murielgodoi> billybigrigger: thanks. I also found that. But none of when said the solution. I came to here to see if there is need to fill a bug in launchpad about that
[15:25] <billybigrigger> and i'm pretty sure that package has something to do with ubuntu one?
[15:25] <billybigrigger> murielgodoi, file away
[15:25] <murielgodoi> billybigrigger: But I saw that you are expert and all are under control and need no help
[15:25] <billybigrigger> hehe not in anyway
[15:28] <billybigrigger> i love the attitude people give ya for trying to help...always makes you feel like coming back in here to help
[15:29] <dbugger> Hey guys
[15:29] <dbugger> penguin42, you there?
[15:31] <billybigrigger> Bug 524566
[15:32] <kushalone> is launchpad unlocked yet?
[15:33] <billybigrigger> unlocked?
[15:33] <kushalone> billybigrigger apparently it was read-only earlier
[15:33] <kushalone> I need to submit a massive error report.
[15:34] <Damascene> how to log in guest seesion?
[15:34] <Damascene> *session
[15:35] <yofel> kushalone: seems to be available again
[15:35] <kushalone> ok will try. thanks yofel
[15:35] <Damascene> yofel, you are the rtl guy?
[15:35] <billybigrigger> Damascene, there is no guest session
[15:35] <yofel> Damascene: no
[15:35] <LordMetroid> The new placement of the frame icons sucks
[15:35] <LordMetroid> What the hell where they thinking!
[15:36] <yofel> !currentissues | LordMetroid
[15:36] <kushalone> Damascene: click on the "power button" on the top right side. then click on guest session. do you have that?
[15:36] <Damascene> sorry,
[15:36] <om26er> any one got time today to test gwibber?
[15:36] <Damascene> billybigrigger, what is there so?
[15:36] <kushalone> I am using gwibber om26er
[15:36] <om26er> kushalone, would you please try to add a new account?
[15:37] <Damascene> om26er, I hope I could help but I've uninstalled it long time ago
[15:37] <billybigrigger> well tickle me pink and call me charlie...i think i just need to sit back and keep my mouth shut :)
[15:37] <billybigrigger> there IS a guest session :P
[15:37] <Damascene> I heard someone talking about guest session to make test there
[15:37] <AnAnt> touchpad scroll stopped functioning with today's update
[15:37] <Damascene> ok, how to install it
[15:37] <AnAnt> Damascene: usama ?
[15:38] <Damascene> AnAnt,
[15:38] <Damascene> :)
[15:38] <kushalone> you mean add a new facebook account? I don't have many facebook accounts :P
[15:38] <om26er> kushalone, worked?
[15:38] <Damascene> billybigrigger, ??
[15:38] <om26er> kushalone, any new account, or even delete your current and add it again
[15:38] <kushalone> Gwibber 2.29.92.1
[15:39] <om26er> kushalone, oh, well the problem is in gwibber 2.29.93 with desktopcouch 0.6.3-0ubuntu2
[15:39] <kushalone> let's try twitter
[15:39] <om26er> kushalone, but thanks :)
[15:40] <kushalone> om26er: seems to work fine
[15:40] <LordMetroid> I am going ArchLinux for my laptop as well, this is release is totally ridiculus
[15:40] <om26er> kushalone, yes your version is older
[15:40] <AnAnt> Damascene: what guest session are you talking about?
[15:41] <Sweet>  
[15:41] <z0net> I just updated to 10.04 and I lost my sound... any tips?
[15:41] <kushalone> are you testing a new build? have you pushed it for everyone yet?
[15:41] <Damascene> AnAnt, gdm-guest-session maybe
[15:41] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, ???
[15:41] <Damascene> I'm not sure thought
[15:41] <Damascene> billybigrigger, ????
[15:42] <Damascene> billybigrigger, do you know what guest session is?
[15:42] <AnAnt> Damascene: that is installed by default in Ubuntu
[15:42] <Damascene> how to get in using it?
[15:42] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, up until 2 minutes ago i didnt know ubuntu had guest sessions
[15:42] <om26er> kushalone, yes its there for a few day I think
[15:42] <billybigrigger_> so i've never used it, no
[15:42] <om26er> to be exact from yesterday :)
[15:43] <kushalone> k.. Ubuntu has not complained me to install updates yet
[15:43] <Damascene> billybigrigger, I thought you was trying to help. thanks
[15:44] <guest_> Damascene, ok, this is billybigrigger
[15:44] <guest_> my guest session works...what do you need help with?
[15:45] <Damascene> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount
[15:45] <Damascene> how to install it?
[15:45] <Damascene> how to log in it? there is only one user in my system
[15:45] <kushalone> people nearby works with Apple Bonjour? sweet
[15:46] <guest_> Damascene, very top right button on your panel, the power button, click it and goto guest session
[15:46] <murielgodoi> billybigrigger_: in my case,  I couldn't find the crash in dmesg. I'm going to add my pstack in the bug. thanks
[15:46] <z0net> I just updated to 10.04 and I lost my sound... any tips?
[15:46] <c_korn> yofel: did my strace contain any useful information ? should I open a bug ?
[15:46] <guest_> murielgodoi, no problem
[15:46] <Damascene> guest_, no such thing? should I install gdm-guest-session?
[15:47] <guest_> Damascene, are you fully updated?
[15:47] <Damascene> do you mean it have been included in a recent update?
[15:48] <yofel> c_korn: you might want to open a bug, but I'm still not sure why it hangs (it seems to wait for something but I don't know what)
[15:48] <Damascene> no one knows what the package that should I check?
[15:48] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, no idea
[15:48] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, it should just be there
[15:49] <billybigrigger_> Packages affected: gdm, some new binaries in a new gdm-guest-session package
[15:49] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, $ sudo apt-cache policy gdm-guest-session
[15:50] <billybigrigger_> gdm-guest-session:
[15:50] <billybigrigger_>   Installed: 0.14
[15:50] <billybigrigger_>   Candidate: 0.14
[15:51] <z0net> I just updated to 10.04 and I lost my sound... any tips?
[15:52] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, apparently this feature has been added since intrepid...so there's no reason why your lucid install/upgrade shouldn't have it already
[15:54] <goshawk> hi. does anyone have aptana studio working on lucid? it worked on karmic but it doesn't work on lucid with both openjdk and sun-java-jre
[15:55] <z0net> I just updated to 10.04 and I lost my sound... any tips?
[15:56] <yofel> z0net: checked pavucontrol and alsamixer if something got muted?
[15:56] <billybigrigger_> z0net, you need to quit repeating my friend
[15:56] <z0net> [billybigrigger_]: sorry =\
[15:57] <yofel> damascene: please don't cross-post in #ubuntu-bugs while we're still talking here
[15:57] <yofel> damascene: do you have 'ubuntu-desktop' installed?
[15:57] <z0net> [yofel]: in alsamixer nothing is muted.. I'm installing pavucontrol..
[15:58] <damascene> I've got disconnected and it seems I'm not going to get an answer here?
[15:58] <yofel> z0net: shouldn't that be installed? and are you using gnome or...?
[15:58] <damascene> I've been asked to test evolution and I don't want to do it where all my accounts and passwords are
[15:58] <yofel> damascene: I answered you didn't I?
[15:58] <z0net> [yofel]: gnome..
[15:59] <damascene> yofel, I got disconnected
[15:59] <yofel> damascene: do you have 'ubuntu-desktop' installed?
[15:59] <damascene> no
[15:59] <damascene> netbook launcher
[15:59] <z0net> [yofel]: in pavucontrol... I see that my sound is working.. but I don't hear it
[15:59] <damascene> I've gnome
[16:00] <z0net> [yofel]: the volume bar is moving.. but where is the sound? =\
[16:00] <billybigrigger_> damascene, did you check what i asked you?
[16:00] <billybigrigger_> Damascene, $ sudo apt-cache policy gdm-guest-session
[16:00] <yofel> oh, I'm not sure if netbook has a guest session, gdm-guest-session is part of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-deskttop
[16:00] <billybigrigger_> ahhh that makes sense yofel
[16:00] <yofel> billybigrigger_: ubuntu-netbook doesn't pull in gdm-guest-session so he shouldn't have it
[16:01] <z0net> [yofel]: my sound is back! \o/
[16:01] <z0net> [yofel]: but I don't have the sound icon on the top bar...
[16:02] <damascene> yofel, thanks
[16:02] <yofel> z0net: can't help with the Icon, I use KDE here
[16:02] <z0net> [yofel]: ok.. thnx anyway u helped me a lot ;p
[16:03] <yofel> yw
[16:06] <dbugger> Can someone help me file a bug, im not sure how to do it
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> search the bug listing for an existing bug - odds are ones proberly allready been filed on whatever your bug is.
[16:07] <yofel> dbugger: help on filing bugs is in #ubuntu-bugs
[16:07] <dbugger> Im not sure how to describe my own bug, so it will be hard to find a duplicate..
[16:09] <dbugger> I get to my desktop allright, noprobs. But when I try to open a window, the behaviour is weird...
[16:09] <dbugger> Instead of a window, I get a white box in the middle, and clicking doesnt work anymore, despite being able to move the mouse
[16:09] <yofel> hm...
[16:10] <yofel> did you try to disable compiz? (you're using gnome  right?)
[16:10] <dbugger> Disabled already
[16:11] <yofel> dbugger: can you click on *anything*?
[16:11] <dbugger> After opening the first window, no
[16:11] <dbugger> before that, I can explore the menus and unfold the calendar in the bar
[16:12] <Machtin> so.. why doesn't my /dev/mapper/home get mounted although the passphrase is accepted?
[16:13] <Machtin> the booting stops until i press s (which i found out by chance) then it says i skipped mounting it and continues
[16:15] <yofel> yes, on mount errors mountall spits out a message to pymouth like 'waiting for <mountpoint> [SM] ' and stops
[16:15] <yofel> you can either press s to skip or m to get a maintenance shell
[16:16] <myk_robinson> good morning, all
[16:16] <dbugger> Oh, i forgot, this is the dmesg i get
[16:16] <dbugger> http://pastebin.com/5Gst7xd0
[16:17] <myk_robinson> Running 10.04 beta (obviously) and using Docky and Gnome-Do. Occasionally I accidentally hit some keypress combination that zooms the screen in real close. I can't figure out what I did, so I have to scroll the screen to the logout button, then log back in and its fixed. Any idea what I need to turn off to keep this from happening?
[16:18] <yofel> dbugger: ok, that seems like a driver bug, file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-radeon' if you can use the gui, or 'apport-cli xserver-xorg-video-radeon' if you need to file it from a tty
[16:18] <dbugger> Im on windows now, so I can use anything, but i dont anything about filing a bug :S
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> myk_robinson:  windowskey + mouse wheel.. or check compiz settings/bindings
[16:19] <arand> myk_robinson: you sure that's not compiz? if you hold super and use the mousewheel does that do the same?
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> its a compiz feture
[16:19] <yofel> dbugger: do you have a working live disk?
[16:20] <myk_robinson> arand: that seems to be it, thank you! I must be accidentally hitting my touchpad on the laptop when I am pressing super+space to envoke GNome-do
[16:20] <dbugger> yofel, yes
[16:21] <arand> myk_robinson: I think it's when you hold super and drag a box with the middle mouse button (however small) it will zoom in on that box.
[16:21] <yofel> dbugger: and you can switch to a tty when gnome locks up?
[16:21] <myk_robinson> arand: my touchpad require two fingers to scroll, I think I'm just accidentally draggin a knuckle or something. But now that I know what it is, at least I can quickly zoom back out
[16:22] <yofel> dbugger: (ctrl+alt+f1)
[16:22] <dbugger> yofel, yes
[16:22] <kushalone> yofel: how do you switch back to gnome from tty?
[16:22] <dbugger> yofel, after opening a window, it's kinda sluggy, but waiting a little, I can
[16:22] <yofel> kushalone: ctrl+alt+f7 (X should run on tty7 usually)
[16:22] <yofel> dbugger: ok, then...
[16:23] <kushalone> k.
[16:23] <arand> myk_robinson: Yea, just wondering now if it's a sane default.. if more people are likely to be confused bu it...
[16:24] <kushalone> I wonder if this command "gksudo virtualbox --user [username] will work in tty1
[16:24] <yofel> dbugger: go to ubuntu, freeze it, switch to a tty, run 'apport-cli xserver-xorg-video-radeon' save the report, copy the file somewhere safe, boot the live disk and run 'ubuntu-bug <report_file>' there
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> ive rarey seen people accidently enable the zoom :)
[16:24] <Machtin> yofel: okay, but why's there an error at all?
[16:24] <yofel> Machtin: what do you mean?
[16:24] <thiebaude> :)
[16:24] <Machtin> the mounting problem with pressing either s or m
[16:25] <Machtin> i mean.. why do i have to skip/maintenance at all.. i can't find out what's wrong with what i do
[16:25] <yofel> Machtin: no idea, I would need the exact mountall error for that
[16:25] <Jaymac> yay lucid is fixed :)
[16:25] <Machtin> can i look that one up somewhere yofel?
[16:25] <dbugger> yofel, wow that was complicated, let me write it down :S
[16:25] <c_korn> I filed bug 552608 . can anyone reproduce it ?
[16:25] <yofel> I have a nfs [SM] message here that I know the reason for
[16:25] <dbugger> cant I run ubuntu-bug in the frozen system? do i need to go livecd?
[16:26] <yofel> dbugger: it needs to open up firefox, or you need network access on tty1 and need to know how to use w3m
[16:26] <dbugger> I have network access...
[16:27] <yofel> Machtin: try to disable quiet splash in the grub menu to get the boot messages displayed, maybe you'll see the error then
[16:27] <dbugger> but no idea what w3m is
[16:27] <Machtin> yofel: that's not on
[16:27] <yofel> Machtin: hm, I do see my nfs mount failures if I disable that...
[16:28] <dbugger> yofel, ok, let me go to ubuntu, and talk to you from irssi client
[16:28] <Machtin> hm.. maybe i'm mistaken and quiet's still on.. let me check
[16:28] <yofel> Machtin: can you try to purge plymouth? my boot doesn't stop even with errors if I do that
[16:28] <Machtin> i'll check
[16:29] <johnnyCbad_> Hey, do lyrics load in Rhythmbox's context pane for anyone here?
[16:29] <Machtin> http://pastebin.org/129471 yofel
[16:29] <tgpraveen12> !info tracker
[16:30] <yofel> Machtin: that's to be expected, do you need cryptsetup?
[16:30] <Machtin> absolutely
[16:31] <Machtin> my /home is encrypted with cryptsetup
[16:31] <Machtin> that's exactly the partition which is not mounting
[16:31] <yofel> ok, then you'll have to keep plymouth :/
[16:31] <Machtin> hm, i see.
[16:32] <Machtin> it's not that bad.. i mean i can mount the partition and then restart kdm.. that's okay - just a little annoying.
[16:32] <yofel> I think I've heard of mount issues with encrypted drives, maybe check the bug reports for mountall and cryptsetup
[16:32] <Machtin> but most of the times i use suspend to ram anyway
[16:32] <ninjai> is there anybody that can help me with my brightness keys not working in lucid on my laptop?
[16:32] <dbugger> yofel: Im back
[16:32] <Jaymac> ninjai, what laptop? mine don't work either on a sony vaio
[16:32] <dbugger> yofel: What command you said I had to run after freezing it?
[16:32] <yofel> dbugger: apport-cli xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[16:33] <myk_robinson> ninjai: having the same problem on mine. Intel graphics
[16:33] <myk_robinson> ninjai: the onscreen indication shows but actuall brightness is not adjusted
[16:34] <Machtin> yofel: thank you :) i hope it's fixed until the release
[16:34] <Jaymac> myk_robinson, ah, yeah that is my exact problem
[16:34] <myk_robinson> my laptop, btw, is an Asus K50lj
[16:35] <Jaymac> myk_robinson, sony laptop, ATI graphics (but using free driver)
[16:35] <myk_robinson> Jaymac: strange, it worked fine in Januty. But, this is a beta
[16:35] <yofel> Machtin: please check if it's already reported, if it's not it won't get fixed ;)
[16:35] <Jaymac> myk_robinson, mine didn't work at all in karmic.. so some progress :)
[16:35] <Machtin> will do
[16:35] <dbugger> yofel: wow, that made my screen go blank :S
[16:36] <yofel> dbugger: it did? o.O
[16:36] <dbugger> yofel: yeap...
[16:37] <h00k> Gwibber locked me out of twitter. heh.
[16:37] <Berzerker> I can't even add a twitter account
[16:37] <Berzerker> how did you get the "add button" working lol
[16:37] <Berzerker> "add" button*
[16:37] <Jaymac> Berzerker, gwibber crashes for me all the time without me even using it :)
[16:37] <h00k> It worked for me. heh.
[16:37] <yofel> dbugger: so you can't report the bug?
[16:37] <yofel> dbugger: not even save it?
[16:37] <h00k> Jaymac: hey, you helped me the other day with something, I forget what, but thanks.
[16:37] <dbugger> Lucid and Karmic hated my graphic card seems.... everything was so nice with Intrepid =(
[16:37] <dbugger> yofel: seems so...
[16:38] <Jaymac> h00k, I've forgotten too :) but you're welcome
[16:38] <dbugger> let me try again... what was the command once more please?
[16:38] <yofel> dbugger: ok... then try asking the rest of the bugsquad in #ubuntu-bugs or the Xorg team in #ubuntu-x for help, maybe they can help you better than I can
[16:38] <dbugger> if it hangs, I'll go win again
[16:38] <yofel> dbugger: apport-cli xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[16:38] <ninjai> I have a tough question for all of you... anyone ever had a laptop with 2 integrated graphics cards?  My asus ux50v has intel integrated and an nvidia 100m series card and if it ever loads the nvidia driver i get no display.
[16:40] <dbugger> ok, saved!
[16:40] <dbugger> Im gonna reboot with live CD
[16:41] <yofel> dbugger: wait
[16:41] <dbugger> k
[16:41] <Crashbit> I have a problem with my new hard disk. This is a Barracuda XT 6Gb/s, and dmesg show an I/O errors. I comprobed this disk with Seagate tool and no errors found. This is the error in dmesg: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
[16:41] <johnnyCbad_> Hey, do lyrics load in Rhythmbox's context pane for anyone here?
[16:41] <yofel> dbugger: did you copy the file somewhere safe? apport saves it in /tmp by default which won't survive a reboot I think
[16:41] <dbugger> yofel: already did ;)
[16:41] <yofel> good, then happy rebooting ;)
[16:41] <dbugger> brb
[16:41] <h00k> ninjai: it's a good question, I've also heard of newer laptops using this
[16:42] <yofel> ninjai: can you get an Xorg log out of it somehow? ssh maybe?
[16:43] <ninjai> yes but probably not now.. im at work :S
[16:43] <ninjai> if i find errors i guess ill file a bug report but i need to try with disabling my integrated firs ti think
[16:43] <ninjai> but i dont know how to get into the bios
[16:43] <ninjai> the screen flashes so fast and i tried all the F keys and del
[16:44] <yofel> heh, I think I had to franatically press 'Esc' on boot while I had fast boot enabled on my eeePC to get into the bios, annoying 'feature'
[16:46] <z0net> how can I have my sound icon (taskbar) back? When I updated I lost it... and it's not in "Add to panel.." =\
[16:47] <ZykoticK9> z0net, do you see a mail icon in panel?
[16:47] <sjokkis> aw. who broke my touchpad?
[16:47] <ZykoticK9> z0net, try adding "Indicator Applet" to you panel and see if volume shows up
[16:47] <z0net> [ZykoticK9]: no.. I just have the network icon.. and the battery icon that shows and then hide =\
[16:48] <z0net> I'll see..
[16:49] <z0net> with the indicator I can see \o/
[16:49] <johndarc> I am having broken dependencies with gnome-applets, gnome-control-centerl, gnome-panel and others. Aptitude finds a solution but when I accept to install it install nothing. apt-get also says it will not install
[16:49] <z0net> thnx ZykoticK9
[16:49] <ZykoticK9> z0net, glad to help
[16:50] <z0net> I'll restart to see the performance... cya o/
[16:50] <johndarc> When I try to login (gdm), it shows a black screen and returns to login screen
[16:50] <ZykoticK9> johndarc, be sure to run the equivalent of "sudo apt-get update" first - gnome was updated yesterday
[16:51] <johndarc> ZykoticK9: Yes, I did. Apparently deborphan broke my gnome.
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> FYI notify-osd clicking seems to be fixed! yay
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> some one ping me to test it
[16:51] <ZykoticK9> johndarc, deborphan - i'm not sure what that is
[16:51] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo_remote, ping
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> yep
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> need to test with composite!
[16:52] <johndarc> ZykoticK9: deborphan removes orphaned dependencies. But I was careless and broke Gnome.
[16:52] <ZykoticK9> johndarc, ahhh
[16:53] <johndarc> is there a way I can force apt-get or aptitude to install the missing dependencies?
[16:53] <BUGabundo_remote> johndarc: aha... try computer janitor
[16:53] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo_remote, OSD clicking with composite seem to be working here :)
[16:53] <BUGabundo_remote> not as aggressive, but works ok
[16:53] <ninjai> anybody know how to get into the bios on an asus laptop?
[16:53] <johndarc> ninjai: probably F2
[16:55] <johndarc> gnome-panel: Depends: gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.8.2-3) but is not going to be installed\n E: Broken packages
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> err
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> really?
[16:55] <BUGabundo_remote> its fine here
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> I just updated
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> johndarc: 32 or 64 bits?
[16:56] <johndarc> OK, but I don't want to report a bug, it is not a bug, I just want to solve the problem. amd64
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> those are usually fail to build probs
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> not bugs per si
[16:56] <BUGabundo_remote> just needs a kick or a quick dep
[16:57] <ninjai> thanks johndarc
[16:57] <johndarc> ninjai: you are welcome. BUGabundo_remote: any ideas?
[16:57] <c_korn> can someone reproduce this ? open gedit, type something, click save, click on "create folder" in the home directory. after the mouse moves the new folder disappears
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> c_korn: I would say that's a funny bug
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> but I've seen gedit do some strange things
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> let me test it
[16:59] <ninjai> does anybody here know what asus express gateway is?
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> c_korn: can't confirm! WFM
[16:59] <JEEBsv> hmm... oh, gnome is getting updated?
[16:59] <JEEBsv> No wonder my touchpad became weird lol
[17:00] <JEEBsv> (instead of the usual behaviour it sticks the pointer to the point on screen that's relative to the finger's plcement on the touchpad)
[17:01] <yofel> JEEBsv: actually we're getting KDE, Xorg and other stuff updated too right now, could be X
[17:01] <JEEBsv> yofel: ok
[17:01] <JEEBsv> I think I can live with the mouse today :)
[17:01] <johndarc> How do I solve broken dependencies?
[17:01] <JEEBsv> (which I just happened to have with me)
[17:02] <yofel> ah, the synaptics and evdev updates are bulit :D
[17:02] <yofel> *built
[17:02] <c_korn> BUGabundo_remote: hm, thanks. I guess I have to restart
[17:02] <JEEBsv> yofel: oh, those might have something to do with it ;)
[17:02] <yofel> johndarc: I don't think you can solve them at all right now, updating right now isn't a good idea
[17:02] <ZykoticK9> VirtualBox Lucid VMs aren't auto connecting to DHCP, I have to click the icon in the panel then "Auto eth0" - any solution?
[17:03] <arand> c_korn: If I focus on something else, menu, window, etc. then it disappears, not otherwise
[17:03] <yofel> JEEBsv: Sarvatt warned us yesterday that stuff might work odd with only xserver-xorg-core updated but not evdev and synaptics
[17:03] <ninjai> Someone! I have an interesting question.......... "asus express gateway" is a linux OS made by asus designed to boot essential services like skype, firefox etc in liek 5 seconds.  They list the source code on their website... can I somehow extract information from it on how to get my function keys to work????
[17:04] <c_korn> arand: does it also disappear when you start typing ( like you wanted to name the folder)
[17:04] <johndarc> yofel: My system is already up-to-date. Apparently I failed to describe my problem.
[17:05] <johndarc> there isn't any apt-get magic to solve broken dependencies, is there?
[17:05] <arand> c_korn: after typing foldername and clicking to unfocus the save window, yes it disappears then
[17:05] <BUGabundo_remote> johndarc: naaa . this stuff breaks all the time
[17:05] <BUGabundo_remote> its not on YOUR side... its on PACKAGE side
[17:05] <danopia> hi
[17:05] <BUGabundo_remote> danopia: hi
[17:05] <johndarc> BUGabundo_remote: What should I do? Install KDE to have a working system?
[17:06] <yofel> johndarc: *why* do you get broken dependencies? the repos is a mess right now with the gnome/KDE/... updates, so don't be surprised  if something breaks
[17:06] <yofel> johndarc: that might actually fail too right now
[17:06] <dbugger> hey back
[17:06] <SEJeff> johndarc, Things break on a development distro. If you don't want things to break you need to use the stable distro :)
[17:06] <johndarc> so, say, tomorrow, if I run apt-get update, apt-get install gnome-applets it will install?
[17:06] <dbugger> yofel: It took me some itme to get the damm livecd running S
[17:06] <SEJeff> Very likely
[17:06] <yofel> johndarc: if it's built/fixed by then, yes, if not, no
[17:07] <BUGabundo_remote> johndarc: we don't know! that's why this is ALPHA software
[17:07] <BUGabundo_remote> (or is it BETA? I keep getting confused with the change)
[17:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ohh he left :((
[17:07] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo_remote, it's BETA
[17:07] <BUGabundo_remote> GUYS : if you are NOT ready for BREAKAGE, use STABLE release
[17:07] <dbugger> yofel: so what now
[17:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ZykoticK9: /irony
[17:09] <Sarvatt> JEEBsv: can you file a bug with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics please so we can have your logs?
[17:09] <yofel_> dbugger: sorry, had to reconnect, please either open up nautilus and click on the report file you saved (should open apport) or run 'ubuntu-bug <reportfile>'
[17:09] <Sarvatt> err ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics I meant
[17:10]  * danopia hopes to be able to upgrade his laptop to lucid before tomorrow
[17:10] <Sarvatt> and subscribe Sarvatt to it :)
[17:10] <dbugger> yofel: ubuntu-bug <reportfile> gives me a error message "You are not allowed to access this problem report" :S
[17:11] <yofel> dbugger: run it with sudo
[17:11] <dbugger> on it...
[17:12] <yofel> danopia: I don't get any package conflicts any more here, but the build queue on LP still isn't empty so it's still a gamble
[17:12] <VoJe> hello. I want to assign programs to certain workspaces, i have installed CCSM, but i can't find the settings in question...
[17:12] <dbugger> yofel, how should I describe the problem in the summary? :S
[17:12] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: I'd like to do that after the current updates have flown completely in. Or if you give me the command line to dump the logs, sure :3
[17:13] <danopia> yofel, what's the worst case scenerio of upgrading from 9.10, since probably all packages have updates?
[17:13] <dbugger> danopia: I've had lots of troubles with this update :S
[17:14] <yofel> dbugger: er... trying to open a window crashes video driver...? I don't know much about your problem, you should describe it in as much detail as possible (starting with what you told be would be a good start)
[17:14] <danopia> worst case scenerio i revert
[17:14] <danopia> actually i'm using wubi, so i can just copy the disk image from windows for backup
[17:14] <danopia> 20GB isn't much on a 320GB HDD
[17:14] <yofel> well worst case is that it won't boot at all, but at least upgrading might work again now
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> VoJe:  u
[17:14]  * danopia boots up win7
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> VoJe:  look in the place-windows settings/tabs
[17:15] <danopia> yofel, where can i see the build queues?
[17:15] <VoJe> Ok, thank, i'll try there :)
[17:15] <dbugger> yofel: will they know it's a lucid bug?
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> VoJe:  rather logical name. :)
[17:15] <yofel> dbugger: yes, apport will add the release you're using to the description
[17:16] <danopia> i hate how whenever i use win7 it seems like there's 100% constant network usage
[17:16] <Nakkel> Hmmh, I have a small problem here. Boot hangs on mounting a external Lacie USB drive ("Waiting for /foo/bar [SM]") and apparently yesterday there was a update that borked teh GRUB …
[17:16] <danopia> 100% as in when it's used, not bandwidth
[17:16] <yofel> danopia: I don't know where to find teh build queue (maybe #launchpad can help there) but the current builder state with queue length is at https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[17:17] <Nakkel> Any ideas how to skip mounting the USB drive?
[17:17] <penguin42> Nakkel: Try hitting 's'
[17:17] <danopia> yofel, it says the queue length per processor type
[17:17] <Nakkel> penguin42: Hey, thanks, worked. :)
[17:18] <danopia> amd64 has 36 jobs (5 hours 20 minutes)
[17:18] <penguin42> Nakkel: I'd be curious to see the line in your /etc/fstab you have for it
[17:18] <dbugger> yay, my first bug :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/552643
[17:18] <dbugger> Ok, so I go back to windows, hoping it gets solved soon
[17:18] <yofel> danopia: yep, I don't know where the queue list is kept at, usually you can look at what the builders are doing now and check the lucid-changes list what was uploaded after that
[17:19] <danopia> weeee 25 MB/s
[17:19] <VoJe> Is there no easy way to say f.ex "Deluge always in workspace 4", "Firefox always in workspace 1"? I only find something with X and Y position. Does that mean i have to calculate and think like a maniac?
[17:19] <c_korn> can someone with the nvidia dirvers from the repository (195.36.15) confirm that this window freezes after clicking "keep settings" ? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42660591/screenshot_001.png
[17:19] <danopia> i like how the offered PPA builders have more workers than the same archs for main repos
[17:20] <yofel> well, actually ppas are more popular than the LP admins thought they would be :D
[17:21] <penguin42> VoJe: There is a program called devilspie that can set rules like that; it's a bit cryptic though - I think you may be able to set similar rules using some of the compiz modules
[17:21] <VoJe> Do you know which modules?
[17:22] <danopia> yofel, there are 34 lucid amd64 packages queued (not including currently building)
[17:22] <ninjai> anybody else having issues with brightness and/or brighness hot keys not working on their notebook?
[17:22] <danopia> i do know that they didn't work well on 9.10, which irks me, i can't say anything about them on 10.04
[17:23] <danopia> yofel, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&arch_tag=amd64
[17:23] <VoJe> ninjai: i have the same problem
[17:23] <VoJe> but don'n know any solutions.
[17:23] <ninjai> WoJe: apparently a lot of people are... has anyone found a fix?
[17:23] <ninjai> *VoJe
[17:23] <VoJe> I've made a short workaround using the brightness applet added to the panel
[17:24] <yofel> danopia: thanks! I was looking for that for a while :D
[17:24] <VoJe> i can turn the brightness up and down, but not smooth at all
[17:24] <ninjai> I cant at all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9055551#post9055551
[17:24] <VoJe> say three different brightness-levels
[17:24] <danopia> yofel, i'd like to have "Needs building" and "Currently building" together, but oh well
[17:24] <ninjai> wtf, my brightness applet doesn't wor kat all! If I attempt to use the slider it lags out for a while then does nothing
[17:25] <ninjai> i can use xgamma to make it brighter but thats a stupid way of doing it
[17:25] <VoJe> try using the up and down arrow when you have clicked the icon.
[17:25] <danopia> i tried modifying the querystring and got Launchpad doesn't understand the form data submitted in this request.
[17:25] <ninjai> hm... i will
[17:25] <danopia> so i guess they didn't expect that :P
[17:25] <ninjai> is that what you have to do?
[17:25] <VoJe> that has worked for me
[17:25] <VoJe> mhm
[17:25] <ninjai> so you couldn't use your mouse like me right?
[17:25] <VoJe> mhm
[17:26] <ninjai> thanks! I'll try that for sure
[17:26] <ninjai> i guess this is a bug then..
[17:26] <VoJe> mh
[17:26] <danopia> there's only one worker doing lucid amd64 packages :(
[17:26] <ninjai> lol
[17:26] <VoJe> when i tried using the mouse the bar just dissappeared
[17:26] <ninjai> ahh sounds liek what happens to me
[17:26] <ninjai> or it sometimes lags or moves to a random spot
[17:26] <VoJe> but the up and down arrow worked
[17:26] <VoJe> mhm
[17:27] <VoJe> for me that is
[17:27] <ninjai> ill give that a shot
[17:27] <danopia> being that i see amarok, gnome-keyring, empathy, etc. queued i'll wait
[17:27] <VoJe> do that
[17:28] <ninjai> starting up my laptop now :)
[17:28] <yofel> danopia: nope, the amd64 builder that's running a private build at the moment will be used for lucid too once that finishes
[17:28] <danopia> yofel, yea i meant "right now"
[17:28] <ninjai> does anybody else also have their boot logo disappear? lol
[17:29] <danopia> you want it to stay on the screen until you power the computer off/
[17:29] <ninjai> happened as soon as i updated from a fresh install
[17:29] <VoJe> Is there any easy-to-use GUI for editing GRUB?
[17:29] <danopia> (sorry but the "lol" put me in a joking mood)
[17:29] <danopia> VoJe, there's gedit
[17:29] <yofel> ah yeah, 2 bulders are the default, arm has more as it's slow and i386 has 3 as architecture independent packages (like -common) are built on i386
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> VoJe:  not really at this time
[17:29] <VoJe> ok. i'll have to do it manually for now then.
[17:30] <ninjai> VoJe: I tried it, it works.... well the slider does anyways.  My brightness doesn't change
[17:30] <danopia> amd64: 2 builders; 35 jobs (4 hours 50 minutes)
[17:30] <danopia> i386: 3 builders; 205 jobs (2 hours 30 minutes)
[17:30] <danopia> that's not fair, why are hte amd64 builders so slow
[17:30] <ninjai> where did you get taht information from?
[17:30] <danopia> https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> they got 2x the bits.. so it equals out
[17:30] <ninjai> ah'
[17:31] <VoJe> i have to move almost all the way to the bottom before my brightness goes down
[17:31] <yofel> danopia: depends on the packages that are going to get built, like... bash finishes in a few minutes, Qt4 takes hours
[17:31] <ninjai> i dont notice it at all changing lol
[17:31] <danopia> 8.285714286 minutes/job on amd64, 0.731707317 minutes/job on i386 (not taking into account the different number of builders)
[17:31] <ninjai> and its very annoying since when i take it out of suspend, the brightness goes to nothing... so i can hardly see in the daytrime
[17:31] <VoJe> then i don't know..
[17:32] <VoJe> i can see that is annoying...
[17:32] <danopia> yofel, are you with canonical or are you just a guy
[17:32] <yofel> danopia: just a guy that has been an alpha tester for a while ;)
[17:32] <goshawk> where is etc/pulse/default.pa gobne?
[17:32] <danopia> ok
[17:32] <goshawk> gone
[17:33] <danopia> the queue length for amd64 just went up 20 minutes
[17:33] <ninjai> can anybody tell me why ubuntu still uses pulse audio at the same time as alsa? it always (over time) kills the audio in my flashplayer
[17:33] <ZykoticK9> goshawk, it's present on my system?
[17:34] <goshawk> ZykoticK9: goshawk@earth:/etc/pulse$ ls
[17:34] <goshawk> client.conf
[17:34] <goshawk> goshawk@earth:/etc/pulse$
[17:34] <goshawk> i'm running up to date lucid
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> ninjai, Pulse uses ALSA for how level sound access - pulse replaces esd, not ALSA
[17:34] <penguin42> goshawk: Update from Karmic or fresh install?
[17:34] <danopia> low level*
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> danopia, thanks
[17:34] <goshawk> penguin42: fresh install
[17:35] <penguin42> goshawk: I don't have a fresh install, all my upgrades have the files still there
[17:35] <ninjai> how come they still use it? It seems a lot of people have problems with pulse+alsa running at the same time
[17:35] <penguin42> ninjai: Not quite
[17:35] <ninjai> ?
[17:35] <danopia> ninjai, i don't have many, on 9.10 at least
[17:35] <VoJe> what is the kdesu ekvivalent for gnome?
[17:35] <ninjai> you dont have many problems?
[17:35] <penguin42> ninjai: The expected stack is application->pulse->alsa  the problem is when some application comes along and tried to do application->alsa  when a->p->a is also happening
[17:35] <danopia> ninjai, i do have a *lot* of audio input problems though, only skype/gnome sound recorder can use audio input reliably
[17:36] <VoJe> equivalent*
[17:36] <danopia> audacity, JACK, etc. all fail hard when i hit record
[17:36] <ninjai> well im using debian on my desktop now and it only has alsa... and its rock solid.  over the years of using ubuntu I'd have to kill firefox/chrome/whatever after leaving the browser open over a period of time because audio in flash would die
[17:36] <danopia> ninjai, which other audio apps do you use?
[17:36] <VoJe> what is the kdesu equivalent in gnome?
[17:36] <penguin42> VoJe: gksu I think
[17:36] <VoJe> sorry for dobbelposty
[17:37] <penguin42> VoJe: and gksudo
[17:37] <danopia> VoJe, there's also gksudo
[17:37] <ninjai> in the past... amarok, vlc, totem, flash player via chrome or firefox
[17:37] <danopia> idk what gksu does
[17:37] <VoJe> ok, thanks guys:)
[17:37] <yofel> danopia: sudo for gtk applications
[17:37] <danopia> yofel, that's gksudo, no?
[17:37] <danopia> what's the difference between the two
[17:37] <Sarvatt> JEEBsv: the updates are all in if you're referring to the ones that affect your touchpad
[17:37] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: ok
[17:37] <danopia> ninjai, the only time i've knocked out my sound output was when i was fighting with JACK to try making it work
[17:38] <yofel> danopia: oh, yeah, gksu would actually be su for gtk apps (run it as a different user)
[17:38] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: so, how do I take a log of all you want? Nothing crashes so I don't get the bug reporting thingy :3
[17:38] <danopia> yofel, the only mental link i have is that su gives you a prompt and sudo only runs the specified command
[17:38] <danopia> and su doesn't let you use your password
[17:38] <danopia> it uses the target
[17:39] <danopia> i guess you don't need root to use su.... that's an interesting idea
[17:39] <penguin42> danopia: su switches to a different user and you normally need the login password for hte account you are switching to; sudo is more selective - you normally use your own password to authenticate that it's you
[17:39] <danopia> i never considered that before
[17:39] <yofel> danopia: no, su is used  to login as a different use 'su <username>' if username isn't given root is used
[17:39] <yofel> *different user
[17:39] <danopia> i only ever use su either to get a root prompt or at a root prompt so i never considered not needing root
[17:40] <edgy> Hi, in gparted I cannot resize an ext4 filesystem, should I install any software or what?
[17:40] <FFForever> anyone in here notice their drive is checked every boot?
[17:40] <danopia> windows refused to reboot because i left explorer open? really?
[17:41] <yofel> FFForever: not me, but we had others mention it, does your system shutdown properly?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> FFForever: yes, at least in xubuntu is appears to be
[17:41] <whoelse> daily live: sound is muted - how do I unmute it? (in preferences everything seems unmuted)
[17:41] <FFForever> yofel, yeah in seconds :D
[17:41] <yofel> hm
[17:42] <FFForever> Where is the bug tracker for +1?
[17:42] <Sarvatt> JEEBsv: thats why I asked you to run ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, it'll automatically add all the relevant logs for you and doesnt need a crash
[17:42] <yofel> FFForever: launchpad
[17:43] <yofel> FFForever: just file a bug with apport
[17:43] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: understood, I guess I misunderstood your first message ;)
[17:43] <edgy> whoelse: try to mute and unmute again
[17:43] <FFForever> yofel, how do I do that?, nothing crashes =\
[17:43] <charlie-tca> FFForever: release notes give: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:43] <yofel> !bugs | FFForever
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> aha
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> the ati driver shows in jockey
[17:44] <danopia> i'm going to try distupgrade now
[17:45] <whoelse> edgy: that I did - the main icon in the panel still shows "muted" (and no sound :-)) - are there other settings?
[17:45] <lullabud> danopia: read the banner
[17:45] <danopia> lullabud, i'm going to try
[17:45]  * danopia underlines try
[17:45] <edgy> whoelse: try alsamixer from cli
[17:45] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: did you try it yet?
[17:45] <lullabud> danopia: i'd like to know if it works...  i upgraded yesterday and it did
[17:45] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: No, I'm running with the open source one
[17:46] <lullabud> but then i was immediately notified that there were new packages to install
[17:46] <VoJe> penguin42, do you know which compiz modules which allow me to just set what workspace the app should be in?
[17:46] <danopia> lullabud, i don't see anything important in the build queue other than amarok/empathy
[17:46] <whoelse> edgy: thx - I was looking for that :-)
[17:46] <danopia> i'm doing an install off the repos (upgrade) not from a disk image
[17:46]  * BUGabundo_remote slaps Ian_Corne with a tag
[17:46] <lullabud> danopia: yeah, that's what i did.
[17:46]  * BUGabundo_remote it says Hi
[17:46] <danopia> yay looks like it worked so far
[17:47] <lullabud> danopia: w00t, maybe they should change the banner?
[17:47] <Ian_Corne> Hello BUGabundo_remote :)
[17:47] <danopia> i need 3.3GB of free space?!!?
[17:47] <penguin42> VoJe: There's one called 'Place Windows' and another called 'Window Rules'
[17:47] <lullabud> i'll give mine a go...
[17:47] <danopia> ok i'll have to clean out my disk image
[17:49] <VoJe> In The place windows module, i only found x and y positioning. and in window rules i only find how to fix windows sizes
[17:50] <Sarvatt> JEEBsv: just curious, whats the version of your xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package?
[17:50] <Sarvatt> if it's not 1.2.2-1ubuntu1 that's your problem and ya need to upgrade
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> oh, compiz's window preview works with docky :)
[17:51] <danopia> haha the upgrade would take 3 days on dialup
[17:51] <danopia> i have 2.5 Mbit/sec ADSL so it shouldn't take more than 3 hours
[17:51] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: actually, you hit the nail
[17:51] <JEEBsv> 1.2.0-3ubuntu2
[17:51] <Sarvatt> just seen a bunch of bugs with that same problem, i think its just people using mirrors that are behind since they were both built at roughly the same time
[17:52] <JEEBsv> I'll see when the finnish mirror will get updated
[17:52] <VoJe> penguin42, In The place windows module, i only found x and y positioning. and in window rules i only find how to fix windows sizes
[17:52] <yofel> didn't I mention that updating synaptics would be a good idea earlier?
[17:52] <edgy> Hi, in gparted I cannot resize an ext4 filesystem, should I install any software or what?
[17:52] <penguin42> VoJe: You might have to use devilspie then
[17:52] <Sarvatt> what mirror are you using for packages? its best to use archive.ubuntu.com for development releases just incase since the others can lag a lot
[17:53] <VoJe> ok, i'll try that
[17:53] <JEEBsv> Sarvatt: fi.archive.ubuntu.com :3
[17:53] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: I always felt synaptic for updates to be BAD
[17:54] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: xserver-...-synaptics, not synaptic
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> speaking of mirrors
[17:54] <JEEBsv> oh, seems like stuff got updated
[17:54] <JEEBsv> lessee
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: how did the mirror stuff go with feup?
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: ah
[17:54] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: He's looking into stuff his end.
[17:54] <JEEBsv> yes, 26 updates
[17:54]  * JEEBsv tries
[17:55] <Sarvatt> JEEBsv: yeah thats for sure your problem, just closed a bunch of bugs from people with the same issue so no need to file a bug anymore :)
[17:55] <JEEBsv> and yeah, sure is synaptics in the updated packages lol
[17:55]  * JEEBsv hits yes
[17:57] <Iswanto> hello
[17:57] <Iswanto> whats new in lucyd development
[17:57] <Iswanto> :D
[17:58] <Iswanto> *lucid
[17:58] <yofel> Iswanto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[17:58] <h00k> Iswanto: you can join the lucid changes mailing list, too
[17:59] <h00k> Iswanto: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lucid-changes
[17:59] <Iswanto> where is the link to the mailing list ?
[17:59] <h00k> Iswanto: please read the line above your last question
[17:59] <ninjai> I ahve a question... does anyone know why they changed the default search engine from yahoo to google?
[17:59] <ninjai> *google to yahoo
[17:59] <ninjai> in firefox
[17:59] <vistakiller> do we have a fix for plymouth with nvidia driver?
[17:59] <vistakiller> or will not work
[17:59] <bencrisford> ninjai: yes
[17:59] <h00k> ninjai: click the little icon next to the search bar
[17:59] <danopia> *to* yahoo?
[17:59] <danopia> the works is ending
[17:59] <danopia> the world*
[17:59] <h00k> ninjai: oh, not how to.
[17:59] <h00k> bahaha.
[18:00] <ninjai> haha no im wondering why
[18:00] <arabica> not everyone, because i cant use both them
[18:00] <ninjai> does anyone know?
[18:00] <vistakiller> because i read that only the open source drivers will work correct with plymouth
[18:00] <bencrisford> ohh ninjai i thought you meant how to as well :P
[18:00] <bencrisford> sorry
[18:00] <yofel> ninjai, danopia: yahoo payed more ;) (and canonical can actually make some money)
[18:00] <h00k> ninjai: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[18:00] <Yfrwlf> the ATI driver is currently pretty broken too it seems
[18:00] <vistakiller> fglrx or open source?
[18:00] <ninjai> well isn't that interesting...
[18:00] <ninjai> thanks!
[18:00] <Yfrwlf> the open source ATI driver for me
[18:00] <danopia> i hope my AMD laptop can run compiz well for tomorrow after the upgrade
[18:00] <vistakiller> xmm
[18:00] <bencrisford> yofel: yahoo paid more just for someone to everyone to change it back to google straight away :P
[18:01] <danopia> luckily i copied the image so at boot i can pick the 9.10 backup
[18:01] <yofel> vistakiller: the nvidia proprietary drivers work with plymouth now (in 640x480 resolution and 16 colors)
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> Yfrwlf: it works pretty good for me, what card are you using?
[18:01] <h00k> yofel: albeit not pretty at all :(
[18:01] <vistakiller> yeah yofel i see funky colors and a big logo..
[18:01] <bencrisford> is it me, or has vi changed in lucid?
[18:01] <YingFan> Is there anything not updatable when going from beta1 to stable in april?
[18:01] <yofel> indeed, but at least better than nothing right now
[18:02] <YingFan> That is, anything that can force me to need to do a fresh install?
[18:02] <yofel> YingFan: there shouldn't be
[18:02] <h00k> YingFan: If this break badly you may have to, but you should be alright
[18:02] <YingFan> yeah, should be the difference between alpha and beta...
[18:03] <h00k> YingFan: if you install and keep things up to date you should be fine
[18:04] <ninjai> "yofel: yahoo paid more just for someone to everyone to change it back to google straight away :P" Exactly waht I did :P
[18:04] <YingFan> ok, thanks
[18:04] <kjcole> Any LVM wizards?  Oonce again, I've forgotten the trouble that LVM gets me into when I try to upgrade...  I just went to Lucid yesterday, and now I have a machine that hangs with "init: ureadahead main process (...) terminated with status 5"
[18:04] <yofel> ninjai: like pretty much everyone in here I guess :P
[18:04] <kjcole> I've now booted into a rescue environment from the alternate CD, and have mounted /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-* in their rightful places.  Where do I go from here?
[18:04] <YingFan> not completely related, but does ubuntu, or any linux for that sake support SATA3?
[18:04] <Yfrwlf> Ian_Corne: 4850x2, Plymouth randomly has a black screen, and no it's not my cable :P  It seriously randomly works sometimes and doesn't other times.  Recovery mode is totally screwed too, not to mention the lack of a timeout to find it is annoying.
[18:04] <h00k> YingFan: sure.
[18:05] <YingFan> oh, interesting, since osx doesn\t
[18:05] <ninjai> yafel: yup.  Except if you shut down without closeing firefox first, it "crashes" and the default search isn't saved.  This happened to me a few times, forcing to change it back or be lazy lol
[18:06] <arabica> is your ff a local build?
[18:06] <Yfrwlf> Ian_Corne: As in, sometimes I'll get the Plymouth startup splash, and sometimes I'll get the shutdown splash, while other times I won't, and this is when booting into a live USB environment each time.
[18:07] <Ian_Corne> Hmm, I have it installed normally and never had any plymouth related problems 4870 here
[18:07] <YingFan> Are the iso's ever changed?
[18:08] <ZykoticK9> YingFan, every day - daily available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:08] <Yfrwlf> Ian_Corne: Weird, you always get a slash screen?  Lucky. ^^
[18:09] <joebob> is the daily going to have issues being "packages are in-flux"?
[18:09] <YingFan> Oh, but that sounds like snapshots?
[18:09] <whoelse> edgy: reporting back: thx for the pointer but it turned out that at the moment the live CD user ubuntu is no member of the audio group
[18:09] <YingFan> joebob yeah, my question as well :p
[18:09] <ZykoticK9> YingFan, what are you looking for then?
[18:09] <h00k> Interesting, my netbook edition doesn't show Lucid's correct splash screen, it shows the old font without the dotst
[18:09] <ZykoticK9> joebob, i'd imagine they are pretty messy right now
[18:09] <YingFan> something that is as tested as a beta
[18:10] <ZykoticK9> YingFan, BETA is just a point in time - it was basically just the Daily on the day of BETA release
[18:10] <YingFan> Aha, I see
[18:10] <joebob> when will the flux capacitor be installed and ready for time travel?
[18:11] <danopia> a few hours
[18:11] <Yfrwlf> RAID is also completely broken which is now more of a concern since it's so easy to create them now with palimpsest. :P
[18:12] <kjcole> I held off on "jumping the gun" until three colleagues convinced me to go early as they had.  Foolish me, giving into peer pressure. ;-)
[18:12] <pitwalker> Why not upgrade yet? I use lxde.
[18:13] <tgpraveen12> joebob: when duke nukem forever releases
[18:13] <tgpraveen12> :-p
[18:13] <yofel> pitwalker: might be ok now, we had many package conflicts due to gnome, kde and xorg updates (some of that is still ongoing)
[18:14] <danopia> joebob, which arch? amd64, i386?
[18:14] <yofel> pitwalker: actually make sure that xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-input-evdev/synaptics all get updated or your input might work funny
[18:14] <joebob> danopia, amd64 of course
[18:14] <joebob> why?
[18:14] <danopia> joebob, then the build queue is 4 hours 50 minutes long
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> ok, lets try fglrx
[18:14] <joebob> danopia, how long for i386?
[18:14] <yofel> nice, the i386 build queue just increased to 500 packages o.O
[18:14] <JEEBsv> ouch
[18:15] <danopia> joebob, 6 hours 30 minutes, but like 10x more packages
[18:15] <pitwalker> if things go worse I downgrade - i use 2 test (1 virtualbox, 1 usb)
[18:15] <danopia> 564 jobs
[18:15] <Yfrwlf> Ian_Corne: good luck with that
[18:15] <joebob> geeze why so many?
[18:15] <cozziemoto> hey guys... lucid or karmic  when using tasksel I keep getting  tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[18:15] <cozziemoto>  many things googled about this with no real solutions...any suggestions?
[18:15] <danopia> yofel, i might make a simple bot to sit in here and report the queue lengths when asked, as long as custom bots are allowed here
[18:15] <yofel> haha, someone could add that to ubottu ^^
[18:16] <JEEBsv> haha
[18:16] <JEEBsv> would be nice indeed
[18:16] <kjcole> I take it no one has pointers on fixing my hanging LVM machine?
[18:16] <VoJe> has someone here used devilspie?
[18:19] <yofel> cozziemoto: we have a known bug where aptitude segfaults when you run it without -q, maybe that causes it?
[18:19] <ninjai> what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get?
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[18:20] <Yfrwlf> aptitude has more attitude :P
[18:20] <yofel> lol
[18:20] <Ian_Corne> the restart required doesn't pop up in the close button menu when  you've installed a driver
[18:20] <yofel> !info aptitude
[18:20] <ZykoticK9> ninjai, they can "more-or-less" be used interchangable - but aptitude is an updated apt-get
[18:20] <joaopinto> aptitude is not an updated apt-get, it's  different apt client
[18:20] <yofel> ninjai: they're pretty much the same, but aptitude has a curses interface
[18:20] <joebob> isn't gnome 2.3 supposed to be gnome 3.0?
[18:20] <JEEBsv> didn't aptitude also log more?
[18:21] <yofel> JEEBsv: it does I think
[18:21] <ZykoticK9> joebob, nope - Gnome 3 will be 10.10 (probably)
[18:21] <Yfrwlf> Is installing a package into another root from a live environment as simple as chrooting? :P
[18:21] <joebob> ZykoticK9, that's what I thought but I heard that 2.3 was 3.0
[18:21] <ChogyDan> joebob: at one point, 2.30 and 3.0 were going to be released at the same time
[18:21] <joebob> ah
[18:22] <ninjai> hm
[18:22] <cozziemoto> yofel,   can i run tasksel -q ?
[18:22] <ninjai> i still dont see what the purpose of having 2 is then!
[18:22] <yofel> cozziemoto: I don't know as I never used tasksel
[18:22] <joebob> ZykoticK9, you really think ubuntu will make the leap to 3.0 in 10.10?
[18:22] <ZykoticK9> joebob, that's the plan
[18:22] <cozziemoto> yofel, ok I wil try it now anyway :)
[18:23] <cozziemoto> no that doesnt work
[18:23] <joebob> I thought their stance was "let everyone else do it first, unless it has to do with moving the buttons..."
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> i'm back
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> direct rendering: No (LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set)
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> ok :p
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> got booted into low graphics mode, selected use generic thingy
[18:23] <ChogyDan> cozziemoto: if you want to just get it done, you can apt-get install task^
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> restarted gdm
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> now i got a working system but no direct rendering
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> cat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[18:24] <danopia> Ian_Corne, that could be a problem
[18:24] <cozziemoto> ChogyDan,  oh?  mm  I will try that that
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> don't the priopetary drivers need one?
[18:25] <Ian_Corne> the backup one does have fglrx
[18:27] <kjcole> (It occurs to me that I might be invisible --new IRC client on someone else's computer --  though my messages appear to be reaching the channel.  So, a ping before I seek my fortunes elsewhere...)
[18:27] <Ian_Corne> pong
[18:27] <kjcole> Ian_Corne: Thanks.
[18:27] <kjcole> Later, then.
[18:29] <vistakiller> this nepomuk is little buggy but it works very well
[18:30] <danopia> where did my keyboard layout go? :(
[18:31] <ninjai> to hell?
[18:31] <vistakiller> is there an option to return aytana notification to kubuntu in lucid?
[18:32] <yofel> there are some nepomuk improvements in 4.4.2 I think
[18:32] <danopia> ° yes!
[18:32] <yofel> dunno about ayatana though, they might have dropped it
[18:33] <yofel> iirc they want kubuntu to be as much upstream-KDE SC as possible
[18:33] <ninjai> what does the SS stand for in KDE4.4?
[18:33] <yofel> ninjai: SC? Software Compilation
[18:33] <danopia> amd64: 38 jobs (five hours)
[18:33] <ninjai> oh, thanks
[18:34] <sjokkis> when will gnome 2.30 be ready?
[18:34] <danopia> i386 is up to 839 jobs
[18:35] <yofel> sjokkis: hard to say, when it's ready I guess, we're getting a lot updates right now
[18:36] <yofel> danopia: seems like they're rebuilding the language packs...
[18:36] <sjokkis> yofel: neat. looking forward to seeing it
[18:37] <sjokkis> we talking hours or days?
[18:37] <danopia> sjokkis, which platform
[18:37] <danopia> amd64, i386?
[18:37] <joebob> sjokkis, october
[18:37] <joebob> :P
[18:37] <nessita> hello everyone! since updates from last weekend I'm suffering a huge delay on my network connection. I have an Intel card and I'm with latest udpates. Any clues?
[18:37] <joebob> 6hrs or so
[18:37] <sjokkis> danopia: i386
[18:38] <danopia> sjokkis, on then i have no idea and i'm not going to dig though 800 packages :P
[18:38] <ninjai> i dunno mine seems fine, i have intel wifi 5100
[18:38]  * danopia is so kind
[18:38] <nessita> I tried different settings for the MTU but there are no visible changes
[18:38] <sjokkis> haha, ok. perhaps i'll try the amd64 one on another machine first, then :p
[18:38] <danopia> sjokkis, what's the whole package name
[18:38] <ninjai> how are you noticing the delay? surfing the net?
[18:38] <danopia> nvm
[18:38] <ninjai> are your DNS servers fail?
[18:38] <danopia> they are doing gnome lang packs atm
[18:39] <sjokkis> danopia: i wasn't wondering about any one package. i was wondering when "GNOME 2.30 being uploaded. Packages are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet."changes
[18:39] <ninjai> what IRC client are you all using?
[18:39] <sjokkis> as in, when they're all done with the uploading/in-flux business
[18:39] <danopia> sjokkis, ok well it's not done yet since the lang packs are still buildling
[18:40] <sjokkis> well, sure. i was asking if anyone knew roughly when it would be done
[18:40] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/552702
[18:40] <nessita> ninjai: nopes, is not a DNS issue
[18:40] <nessita> ninjai: I'm pretty sure is the OS
[18:41] <nessita> ninjai: I'm having the same slowness since last Sunday
[18:41] <ninjai> messita: if you ping google from the terminal, what are the times between pings?
[18:41] <nessita> ninjai: between 2000ms and 3000ms
[18:41] <danopia> armel build of ghc6 6.12.1-12 in ubuntu lucid RELEASE Build started on 2010-03-11 on jaboticaba (armel)
[18:41] <ShackJack> Hi all - I'm experiencing a glitchy display using (I'm assuming) the open source ati driver (X1400 mobile in my notebook)... Trying ot search around launchpad to see if filed bugs, but found none so far. Anyone hear of any reports of ATI driver problems with Lucid?
[18:41] <danopia> ghc for arm has been building for 20 days apparantly
[18:41] <ninjai> messita: ....... WOW
[18:41] <ninjai> messita: wifi or LAN?
[18:42] <danopia> nessita, do you have a second machine?
[18:42] <nessita> ninjai: I've tried lows MTU (1360) as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/314713
[18:42] <nessita> danopia: yes, a laptop
[18:42] <nessita> danopia: is also slow there, both have Intel cards
[18:42] <danopia> nessita, how quickly does google respond on that
[18:42] <danopia> ok same OSes?
[18:42] <ninjai> nessita: if you try using ethernet does the problem still exist?
[18:42] <nessita> danopia: yes, both Lucids up to date
[18:42] <danopia> you might want to check your internet uplink
[18:42] <Sarvatt> ShackJack: try booting with radeon.new_pll=0 added to grub after quiet splash
[18:43] <danopia> nessita, i'd try a second platform (older ubuntu livecd, windows, arch livecd possibly?)
[18:43] <danopia> see if it's the hardware or software
[18:43] <Sarvatt> ShackJack: if that works, please file a bug with ubuntu-bug linux and subscribe Sarvatt to it, we're collecting machines that need that quirk and your x1400 is one of the more common ones
[18:43] <nessita> danopia: I'm pretty sure is an OS issue, I've been using this connection from 2 years now, and another computer (not mine) running Karmic works lovely
[18:44] <nessita> ninjai: using ethernet? not sure what you mean :-)
[18:44] <ShackJack> Thanks Sarvatt - can you provided a little background - i.e. what does that do (not use new o/s radeon driver) or what bug it's associated with?
[18:44] <danopia> nessita, that's why i asked if you had other machines
[18:44] <danopia> nessita, are the lucid machines wired or using wifi (wireless internet)
[18:44] <nessita> danopia: one wired, another wifi
[18:44] <ninjai> nessita: ethernet is if you plug an ethernet cable in.  wifi is wireless.  which are you using?
[18:44] <nessita> ninjai: I've been wired all the time
[18:44] <danopia> nessita, both act the same?
[18:44] <nessita> danopia: yes
[18:44] <danopia> hmm
[18:44] <nessita> this is driving me crazy! :-)
[18:45] <ninjai> nessita: have you tried a different machine within your LAN? or another operating system?
[18:45] <Sarvatt> ShackJack: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=needs-pll-quirk
[18:45] <danopia> the amd64 queue is up to 8 hours
[18:45] <danopia> YAY my new hard drive is here!
[18:45] <nessita> ninjai: a friend of mine tried, I haven't today. I'll do that again, to get some today's stats
[18:46] <ninjai> nessita: well a possibility could be your router.  home routers are crap, i have to reset mine from time to time to get it to work.
[18:47] <ShackJack> Sarvatt: O.K. thanks a lot - don't have system with me ATM; but i will let you know if that works... It does it sometimes, and then other times not, and sometimes toggling resolution helps, or whatever; but I will let you know.... Otherwise runs great except for the couchdesktop thing being a little piggie with the CPU cycles ;-)
[18:47] <danopia> ninjai, luckily mine only kills wifi and occasionally DHCP so my desktop fares well (until i reset it to get wifi back)
[18:47] <Sarvatt> ShackJack: there is a problem with the default module settings on some machines (all in your GPU's generation) causing flickering, all that does is make it use an the old pll method that works right
[18:47] <nessita> ninjai: I agree, and I reset both router and modem DSL several times
[18:48] <ShackJack> Sarvatt: Got it - thanks for filling me in; has anyone filed a "bug" about the buttons being on the wrong side and out of order? - haha! (just kidding) ;-) Thanks again!
[18:48] <ninjai> hm... it could be the driver, maybe it was updated.  but id try a different computer in the LAN and a different OS on your machine.  Boot a live CD and see if the problem still exists
[18:48] <nessita> just in case: I have a router Liknsys WRT54GL
[18:48] <nessita> ninjai: doing it right now
[18:50] <autobot> am I lagging out
[18:50] <ninjai> i dont know, are you?
[18:50] <autobot> lol
[18:50] <autobot> guess not
[18:50] <ninjai> lol
[18:50] <autobot> this room is dead, lucid killed them all :)
[18:51] <ninjai> not really
[18:51] <ninjai> has 367 users
[18:51] <yofel> it's not, and use !ping if you want to check it yourself ;)
[18:51] <ninjai> !ping
[18:51] <ninjai> =\
[18:51] <autobot> yofel: I don't ping myself in public ;)
[18:51] <ninjai> what IRC clients are you guys using?
[18:51] <h00k> irssi
[18:51] <autobot> ninjai: irssi of course
[18:51]  * danopia reboots to put this drive in
[18:52] <ninjai> oh im using xchat :S
[18:52] <ninjai> lol
[18:52] <yofel> <- quassell
[18:52] <yofel> *quassel
[18:52] <autobot> quassel is nice3
[18:52] <ninjai> is irssi really awesome ro something?
[18:52] <danopia> why is the HDD wrapper sealed with a sticker that says "the contents are made in Thailand"....
[18:52] <autobot> ninjai: it can be run in screen
[18:52] <yofel> ninjai: it's the best cli irc client out there ,)
[18:52] <ShackJack> By the way, does anyone know if GNOME 2.3 (to be included in Lucid I gather) is going to include the "Shell" interface; couldn't determine from the GNOME org website?
[18:52] <ninjai> oh the cli one, ive used that
[18:52] <ninjai> i like it
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: back to the opensource driver :)
[18:53] <autobot> ninjai: that way if you lose your X you don't lose your chat :)
[18:53] <penguin42> ShackJack: Not by default, gnome-shell is in the repo and you can try it
[18:53] <ninjai> haha good point
[18:53] <ninjai> i use links sometimes, when in dire need :P
[18:53] <yofel> ShackJack: not really, we have an outdated version in the repos though
[18:53] <h00k> ninjai: I run irssi on a VPS and just ssh into it and re-attach when I want. I'm connected all the time.
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> to enable it use: gnome-shell --replace from the commandline
[18:53] <autobot> ninjai: quassel has a backend/frontend also, no need for screen
[18:54] <autobot> h00k: thats the way
[18:54] <ShackJack> penguin42: yofel:  Thanks both - looks like they're putting off "3.0" till Nov... Thanks; I'm not crazy about it (seems overkill for most users); was just curious :-)
[18:54] <penguin42> ShackJack: Agreed
[18:54] <ninjai> how do you set your nick in irssi?
[18:54] <h00k> autobot: it's quite slick.
[18:54] <h00k> ninjai: /nick newnickhere
[18:55] <arand> What annoys me is that neither links nor lynx seems to be able to do openid login to LP, so you can't report bugs completely from cli...
[18:55] <ninjai> i did that but it remains the same
[18:55] <penguin42> arand: Tried w3m?
[18:55] <yofel> ninjai: you're not joined in a moderated channel right now are you?
[18:55] <autobot> penguin42: oooold school
[18:55] <autobot> penguin42: I like it
[18:55] <penguin42> autobot: Hey he was suggesting links/lynx!
[18:56] <autobot> penguin42: links running on a fb is cool
[18:56] <ninjai> no i was in #ubuntu
[18:56] <ninjai> i exited though
[18:56] <yofel> hm
[18:56] <yofel> should work then
[18:56] <nessita-laptop> ninjai: confirming ~2700ms of ping time to google.com from the laptop. I'll reboot to windows (puffff) and re test there
[18:57] <ninjai> roger
[18:57] <ninjai> i think nessita is download major amounts of pr0n
[18:58] <nessita> ninjai: I wish!
[18:58]  * autobot counts how many times the gnome battery applet can crash in a minute
[18:58] <Yfrwlf> Even after installing mdadm into the new Lynx install via chroot, it still boothangs on waiting for md0 to mount. >.<
[18:58] <nessita> ninjai: I had to shutdown deluge to be able to browse the web
[18:59] <_21h_> hi all. i cant add twitter, identi.ca or qaiku account in gwibber under 10.04. its bug or something else?
[19:00] <yofel_> ninjai: nick changing works fine here in irssi though
[19:01] <autobot> yofel_: yes
[19:01] <bumblebeetuna> me too
[19:01] <h00k> autobot: Transformers fan much? ;)
[19:02] <autobot> h00k: it's actually an old IRC thing
[19:02] <h00k> autobot: sure, sure
[19:02] <autobot> h00k: but I liked transformers as a child ;-)
[19:02] <h00k> autobot: I still do :(
[19:03] <autobot> h00k: my brother bought me a battle damage Prime + Starscream + Arcee pack for christmas a couple years ago....pretty good stuff
[19:04] <h00k> autobot: hah, that's awesome.
[19:04] <autobot> h00k: on my mantle
[19:04] <ninjai> nessita: I was seriously thinking you ahd a BT client running when you left.  thats why your pings are so slow
[19:04] <h00k> autobot: I'm > 21 and i still like legos :(
[19:04] <nessita> ninjai: I shutdown ubuntu one, deluge, gwibber, thunderbird
[19:05] <ninjai> nessita: more than likely it's just deluge that's slowing you down
[19:05] <autobot> h00k: 33 and a gamer from hell
[19:05] <verterok> mvo_: ping
[19:05] <nessita> ninjai: the times I pasted (between 2500 and 3000ms) are all measure with all shutdown, included deluge
[19:06] <ninjai> oh
[19:06] <ninjai> wow
[19:06] <ninjai> so what happened in windows? good ping times?
[19:06] <nessita> ninjai: I'm still on that, I haven't boot in window since last year, so i was doing a lot of FS checks
[19:06] <nessita> silly OS
[19:07] <nessita> ninjai: 28ms, 27ms, 27ms
[19:07] <ninjai> ya sounds like ubuntu then
[19:07] <nessita> ninjai: I miss those ping time!
[19:07] <ninjai> do you have another nic?
[19:07] <nessita> ninjai: besides nessita? nopes :-)
[19:07] <nessita> but I can have one
[19:08] <ninjai> nooo
[19:08] <ninjai> network interface card/ network card
[19:08] <ninjai> lol
[19:08] <nessita> lol
[19:08] <nessita> ninjai: I do have a encore PCI card
[19:08] <nessita> I guess I acn try installing it
[19:08] <nessita> can*
[19:08] <ninjai> put it in, see what happens
[19:08] <nessita> oh... but I'll have to open a new slot in my brand new case
[19:09] <nessita> and I suffer from OCD
[19:09] <ninjai> hahahaha
[19:09] <nessita> so, how will I live with that whole?
[19:09] <nessita> :-d
[19:09] <ninjai> i hear ya but one day i decided meh.  who cares, better air flow anyways :P
[19:09] <nessita> hehe
[19:09] <nessita> ninjai: but then I get more dust inside!
[19:09] <nessita> seriously, I'll try it
[19:10] <ninjai> nessita: you will ALWAYS get dust.  It's good practice to spray out your case every 6 months with canne dair
[19:10] <nessita> ninjai: shall I open a bug report on LP to do the follow up there?
[19:10] <penguin42> nessita: Some cases you can move the plates!
[19:10] <exalt> hello i install ubuntu on vaio laptop,  can choose mbetween my intelGM965 and nvidia graphics card wich one is best for ubuntu>
[19:10] <exalt> ?
[19:10] <ninjai> LP?
[19:10] <nessita> launchpad
[19:10] <penguin42> exalt: The Intel one should just work
[19:10] <ninjai> yes you might as well ope na bug report
[19:10] <ninjai> ah, launchpad. got it
[19:10] <penguin42> exalt: The nvidia one is best with some closed source drivers that I don't think are quite available yet for Lucid, but when they are they'll be faster than the Intel
[19:11] <RobertZaccour> it wouldn't connect to my wireless when i tried it yesterday. should i download again today and try?
[19:11] <RobertZaccour> my wireless router was in the available list, however it wouldn't connect
[19:11] <exalt> penguin42: k
[19:11] <RobertZaccour> and i tried to install the drivers via gui and it failed to fetch something
[19:12] <RobertZaccour> should i try downloading again today and check to see how it is?
[19:17] <danopia> [    0.000000] WARNING: BIOS bug: CPU MTRRs don't cover all of memory, losing 768MB of RAM.
[19:17] <danopia> aha!
[19:17] <yofel> danopia: 4GiB of ram with i386-generic?
[19:17] <danopia> no, amd64
[19:18] <yofel> hm
[19:18] <danopia> unless something failed
[19:18] <penguin42> danopia: Then that is a BIOS bug; go check for a newer bios
[19:18] <danopia> Linux danopia 2.6.31-21-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 24 07:28:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:18] <danopia> meh i don't care
[19:18] <danopia> i only use like 2GB of it
[19:18] <danopia> maybe if i used the Vista install which came on this... :P
[19:18] <yofel> I know I had to enable some setting for my bios to use all 6GiB I have here
[19:19] <danopia> so all ext4 partitions have a lost+found? because i just formatted this disk in palimpset and it has one
[19:19] <arand> penguin42: seems like a no-go with w3m as well, stucks at the "yes log me in" and submitting form doesn't work there...
[19:20] <yofel> danopia: yes, all ext234 partitions have one
[19:20] <danopia> i used a GUID partition table, is there any reason i shuold use a MBR partition table instead?
[19:20] <danopia> (before I put data on this and all...)
[19:21] <exalt> should i make my ubuntu partitions primary or logic?
[19:21] <exalt> root and home
[19:22] <RobertZaccour> my wireless router was in the available list, however it wouldn't connect
[19:22] <RobertZaccour> should i try downloading again today and check to see how it is?
[19:22] <RobertZaccour> should i try downloading again today and check to see how it is?
[19:23] <Vigo> exalt: Depends on the system: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275&highlight=prmary+logical
[19:24] <asmund> I can't seem to get the gwibber part of the "Social menu" to work. No messages are popping up, and I can't add more than one account, there is no response when I push the "add" button. I restart at least daily due to updates, so that doesn't seem to do the trick either. Is it broken right now or what?
[19:25] <vistakiller> and i dont have anymore the high cpu usage from xorg
[19:25] <RobertZaccour> i don't know the answers, but being a beta chat the answer should seem obvious to someone. obviously certain questions are ignored if people think they are stupid
[19:25] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Did you purge the old one or do a lay over install?
[19:26] <h00k> asmund: it's broken right now, I believe.
[19:26] <RobertZaccour> vigo i tested the live boot yesterday. the wireless drivers were booted by default but it would not connect. i tried gui installing the appropriate driver and it failed to fetch or something
[19:27] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, my question is if i should try downloading and booting again and see. not sure if there was development since yesterday, thats why i'm asking
[19:27] <asmund> h00k: Ok. I'll be waiting patiently
[19:27] <KDesk> hi, in kde, how can I make the the printer applet and the bluetooth applet (both tray icons) don't start every time I login?
[19:28] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: That failed to fetch may be the resolution. I would normally back-up, purge the old. replace it with a fresh one.
[19:29] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, would that interfere with future updates, or would it be undone later automatically?
[19:29] <yofel> KDesk: I'm not sure, maybe check in system settings under advanced the items autostart and service manager
[19:30] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: It should fix or repair the broken or error pkg, keeps a clean system also.
[19:31] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, how do i do that?
[19:31] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: That is another thing you can do, let me pull it up, there is a fix command,....
[19:31] <KDesk> yofel: thanks, but there is nothing releated to printer or bluetooht
[19:31] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, oh ok thanks. i'll email it to myself then follow the directions when i booter up again
[19:32] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Here is one: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Karmic
[19:34] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, thats a whole book lol where do i look?
[19:35] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Exactly, uhm , look in the Network section: or here is another> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[19:36] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Send the links e.mail to self, fire up the printer and have a cup of ice coffee.,..
[19:37] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. any idea if it is safe to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 ?
[19:37] <RobertZaccour> i was looking for perhaps a specific command lol thanks anyhow i'll look
[19:37] <danopia> SandGorgon, i'd wait until the packages stabalize a bit, they are in flux atm
[19:38] <SandGorgon> danopia, ah.. ok
[19:38] <danopia> i'm trying it on my wubi laptop but i copied the disk image first
[19:38] <yofel> SandGorgon: right now no, your best chance is when beta2 comes out (about a week from now)
[19:38] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: My apologies, this is BETA still, there are some dpkg tools that may work, still looking.
[19:39] <danopia> yofel, did you see that 20-day arm build?
[19:39] <danopia> ghc
[19:39] <SandGorgon> yofel, ok... cool
[19:39] <danopia> Started 2010-03-11
[19:40] <penguin42> danopia: That sounds like a screwup; I don't think ghc is that huge even for an ARM
[19:40] <jetole> hey guys. I am thinking about installing 10.4 on my home desktop tonight since a) I don't like upgrades and b) my hard drive shit bricks last night and I need to do a fresh install on the new drive. Anyways, I just wanted to ask how stable you guys think 10.4 beta is?
[19:41] <yofel> danopia: lol, seems stuck ^^
[19:41] <Korcia> good night everybody, may someone told me why empathy has been remove in the lastest upgrade in lucid
[19:41] <penguin42> jetole: It's not too bad; the closed source graphics drivers haven't quite got there yet; best to do stuff from a Beta 1 cd rather than upgrade off the net at the moment, since the new gnome update is just going in
[19:41] <danopia> you think they'd have a warning if a build takes more than x days :P
[19:42] <h00k> jetole: also, please keep the language family-friendly
[19:43] <yofel> danopia: not sure, they have some protection against stuck builds, but it might not detect a build that just stopped
[19:44] <Andre_Gondim> how do I upgrade to lucid at server?
[19:45] <h00k> Andre_Gondim: it's probably not a good idea on a production server
[19:45] <ninjai> ummm remove your desktop manager, install LAMP?
[19:45] <ninjai> lol
[19:45] <h00k> !upgrade | Andre_Gondim
[19:45] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Here it is: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/apt.conf.5.html#toptoc7
[19:45] <Andre_Gondim> h00k, it's only test server
[19:47] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, thats a list of basic commands. perhaps i should run the live and then come back
[19:48] <plauclair> is it normal that I can't click on notifications to focus on the app, let's say for empathy ?
[19:48] <Aondo> hmm getting a few segfaults with aptitude, anyone else? thinking i should just reinstall. might not been quite lucky with the dist upgrade, but been so for a while now
[19:49] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: Sounds good, I installed full HDD, (got a used HDD for $2) now have 4 HDDs in this box, one is testing two distros,
[19:49] <jetole> h00k: sorry
[19:49] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, surely being an LTS it should be fine for pretty much everything in the end
[19:50] <jetole> Do you guys know if 10.4 is using the new reverse engineered nvidia drivers?
[19:50] <Korcia> yes, the nouveau drivers
[19:50] <jetole> Cool
[19:50] <jetole> I'm kinda excited to see how they fare
[19:50] <exalt> warning: could not finde module nvidia_current
[19:51] <Vigo> RobertZaccour: It should be, yes, I am still running an 8.04 .3 and others, is all stable fun.
[19:51] <ZykoticK9> exalt, do you have /usr mounted on a seperate partition?
[19:52] <exalt> ZykoticK9: nope
[19:52] <ZykoticK9> exalt, ok just checkin'
[19:52] <h00k> jetole: yes, and it works nicely with metacity rendering.
[19:52] <h00k> jetole: only 2d support as of now
[19:52] <Korcia> jetole: the default nouveau drivers are 2D, no 3D yet, but you can try experimentally the xorg-edgers
[19:55] <Vigo> No 3-D? that is odd,,,
[19:55] <h00k> Vigo: odd, why?
[19:57] <VoJe> has someone here used devilspie?
[19:57] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, i thought 9.04 was the last LTS
[19:57] <yofel> RobertZaccour: no, 8.04
[19:57] <RobertZaccour> Vigo, never heard of it
[19:57] <RobertZaccour> ah ok
[19:57] <Korcia> Vigo:  it's still being developed, but if you don't mind taking risk, just add the xorg-edgers ppa
[19:58] <Korcia> in my case I can tell you everything works, compiz, etc...
[19:58] <VoJe> has someone here used devilspie?
[19:59] <DASPRiD> is it known if this bug will be fixed until lucid final? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/542210
[20:00] <yofel> DASPRiD: let me fist fix that bug, it doesn't have a package assigned to it...
[20:00] <yofel> s/fist/first/
[20:00] <Korcia> this is another reason to install /boot in a different partition
[20:01] <DASPRiD> yofel, sure, "fix that bug" ;)
[20:04] <VoJe> is GNOME 2.30 being uploaded now? When will it be ready?
[20:04] <hifi> it's probably mostly uploaded by now
[20:05] <kushalone> VoJe: I was told that it is better if I waited a little before trying to update.
[20:05] <VoJe> i realised now, that i have already upgraded to 2.30:P
[20:06] <Korcia> yes, it's been uploaded, I did without knowing the advice and apparently evrthing it's ok except that empathy it's gone
[20:06] <DASPRiD> yofel, so, ticket fixed? :)
[20:06] <VoJe> everything is okey for me now, empathy works and everything
[20:07] <yofel> DASPRiD: yes, now the installer team needs to take a look at it
[20:07] <Korcia> probably i did the upgraded at the wrong time
[20:07] <DASPRiD> yofel, hopefully the fix it for the final, being unable to setup a raid when installing ubuntu is a bit... bad :)
[20:08] <wolter> Do you get an 'Unknown Application' not responding when you shut down the computer that holds the process down?
[20:08] <wolter> (Anybody)
[20:08] <autobot> wolter: I don't
[20:09] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, is it possible to configure notifications in a way "unnecessary" messages (as in i.e. old messages from konversation of a channel you visited) don't get displayed?
[20:09] <Bittarman> ask in #konversation perhaps
[20:09] <wolter> PolitikerNEU, that should be configured independently in the application
[20:10] <autobot> wolter: not being sarcastic either, just saying I don't experience any slow shutdown or error of any type...that sounded snarky
[20:10] <PolitikerNEU> I think since the notification system is from ubuntu, I don't think I'll get an answer there
[20:10] <PolitikerNEU> KDEs own notifications do not have the problem since they can stack
[20:10] <Bittarman> PolitikerNEU, its just displaying the notifications, its nothing to do with the notification system that they were sent
[20:11] <wolter> autobot, no, it was just objective haha
[20:11] <nessita> ninjai: I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/552752
[20:11] <nessita> ninjai: I will install the alternate net card later today, I'd like to have some work done
[20:11] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, but the problem is that they have to be "cancelled"
[20:11] <nessita> and I've been strugling with this all day
[20:12] <Bittarman> PolitikerNEU, its the application which is sending them. the notify program is just displaying whats been sent, as soon as its sent
[20:12] <ninjai> nessita: cool!
[20:12] <Bittarman> its not like its holding on to them until you start the program again
[20:12] <PolitikerNEU> Bittarman: yeah except that it isn't "as soon as it is sent" but like 10 minutes later or so because the notifications do not stack
[20:13] <PolitikerNEU> Bittarman: And I get notifications in a faster rate than they are displayed
[20:13] <Korcia> nessita: you are right my speed it is half that it used to be, OMG
[20:14] <Bittarman> PolitikerNEU, but the notify program is not at fault. its the application sending a bag load of old ones which is.
[20:14] <nessita> Korcia: what card do yo have?
[20:14] <nessita> you*
[20:14] <Korcia> intel
[20:15] <PolitikerNEU> Bittarman: It is sending them correctly - but they aren't displayed since the message queue gets too long
[20:16] <lantizia_> Hey... Debian Sid has "SWAT" down as unmaintained, security issues, and generally getting incompatible with samba... does Canonical consider it a problem enough for it to drop it?
[20:16] <Korcia> nessita: it is also happening the problem in my desktop with a Realtek
[20:17] <lantizia_> I mean it's in Lucid too :S
[20:17] <Korcia> i just checked it
[20:17] <RobertZaccour> are wireless card updates important? i mean do they affect performance in any way?
[20:18] <nessita> Korcia: care to click on "This bugs affects me too"?
[20:18] <Korcia> nessita: I am going to click right now
[20:18] <tritium> I see 10.04 has switched to openjdk-6.  Installing sun-java6 packages from the partner repo, and running "update-java-alternatives --plugin --set java-6-sun" does *NOT* work.  The iced tea plugin is still all that is listed in about:plugins in firefox.
[20:20] <yofel> tritium: you do have sun-java6-plugin  installed?
[20:20] <tritium> yofel: yes
[20:20] <DanaG> "A volume with software packages has been detected."
[20:20] <DanaG> How do I suppress that dialog box?
[20:21] <yofel> tritium: what does '$ la /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so' say? does that file even exist?
[20:21] <tritium> yofel: it exists, and is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin.so
[20:22] <yofel> tritium: ok, and where does that point to?
[20:22] <tritium> yofel: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so
[20:22] <RobertZaccour> how do ya update proprietery wireless drivers?
[20:22] <h00k> plymouth on my netbook isn't showing the new branding, it's showing the same font used in Karmic and no dots.
[20:22] <DanaG> On my EliteBook, Plymouth just plain doesn't show AT ALL!
[20:22]  * kushalone wonders if anything will show up in update manager for me...
[20:22] <tritium> yofel: note that that is the *only* alternative one can choose for mozilla-flashplugin
[20:23] <yofel> hm
[20:23] <yofel> still not fixed I guess *sigh*
[20:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/516825
[20:23] <Bittarman> DanaG, from what I hear plymouth doesn't seem to show for anyone using nvidia
[20:23] <DanaG> It's not an nvidia issue for me.
[20:23] <DanaG> It's a "hey, I see you have a serial console.  No splash for youuuuuuu!"
[20:23] <h00k> at least it appears now with nvidia
[20:23] <h00k> it's ugly, but there
[20:23] <DanaG> (completely ignoring the fact that I ALSO have a LOCAL console!
[20:23] <DanaG> )
[20:23] <yofel> tritium: use the workaround for your architecture from the comments of bug 532174
[20:23] <kushalone> How does a desktop user run update manager? can I not elevate privileges here?
[20:23] <Bittarman> h00k, its working for you?
[20:24] <h00k> Bittarman: is what working?
[20:24] <Bittarman> if its ugly you probably just need to tell grub to use a higher vbe mode, and to keep it
[20:24] <Bittarman> its probably defaulted down to 640x480
[20:24] <tritium> yofel: ok, thank you very much
[20:24] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, plymouth is really ugly 320x240 or so with 16 colors
[20:24] <h00k> ^ this
[20:25] <Bittarman> h00k, you said it is on nvidia
[20:25] <h00k> with the proprietary nvidia driver, yeah.
[20:25] <Korcia> I have nvidia and plymouth shows correctly, I had to install it from synaptic 'cause it did not show
[20:25] <PolitikerNEU> both on nvidia and ati-graphics chip
[20:25] <kushalone> PolitikerNEU: and I was complaining about having 800x600
[20:25] <PolitikerNEU> (with proprietary drivers)
[20:25] <PolitikerNEU> :-)
[20:25] <h00k> it shows up and doesn't freeze on enter, but it just looks ugly
[20:25] <RobertZaccour> how do ya update proprietery wireless drivers?
[20:26] <h00k> RobertZaccour: if there is an update, it will show in update-manager when you update the rest of your syuff
[20:26] <h00k> *stuff
[20:26] <PolitikerNEU> 1 pixel is like 5mm (hmm ... 0.2 inches?) or so for me :-)
[20:26] <kushalone> also try RobertZaccour: system > administration >> Hardware drivers
[20:27] <RobertZaccour> oh, i didn't know that they are updated by canonical. thanks
[20:27] <h00k> RobertZaccour: the updates will show up in the repository when they are available
[20:27] <RobertZaccour> ok thanks :)
[20:27] <h00k> RobertZaccour: they're not maintained by Canonical, however
[20:27] <DanaG> anyway, so I don't much like Plymouth.
[20:28] <KB1JWQ> Is there a good method within Aptitude to say "don't keep back the packages you want to, install them anyway?"
[20:28] <h00k> I like it, I think it's prettier and I think it'll be sweet when we hav it working proper
[20:28] <RobertZaccour> has there been updates to the beta since yesterday?
[20:28] <Ahren_The_Magus> When is Beta-2 due to be released?
[20:28] <h00k> KB1JWQ: there has to be a reason that it is being held back
[20:28] <RobertZaccour> Ahren_The_Magus, the first i think
[20:28] <Korcia> with plymouth the boot is faster
[20:28] <ZykoticK9> Ahren_The_Magus, 8 days from today
[20:28] <h00k> !releaseschedule
[20:28] <h00k> d'aw
[20:29] <h00k> !lucid
[20:29]  * kushalone is still trying to grasp the idea of updates being pushed from the Internet for each and every piece of software in the system. I was still on dial-up less than four years ago!
[20:29] <ZykoticK9> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[20:29] <h00k> there we go
[20:29] <RobertZaccour> Korcia, do you turn your computer off and on a lot?
[20:29] <Korcia> RobertZaccour: every night
[20:30] <h00k> Ahren_The_Magus: there are updates all the time
[20:30] <h00k> Ahren_The_Magus: keep checkin'!
[20:30] <KB1JWQ> h00k: Welp, the ones I"mg etting at the moment are capplets-data gnome-control-center libgnome-window-settings
[20:30] <kushalone> Korcia: I have not noticed any boost in boot times since upgrading to 10.04
[20:30] <RobertZaccour> Korcia, oh ok. when i turn mine on i get a drink, so its on within 35 seconds, before getting back
[20:30] <Drakeson> does the current live cd (lucid) work for EFI-based boots (Mac hardware)?
[20:30] <h00k> KB1JWQ: the parts they rely on probably aren't updated or ready yet, forcing it can/will break things
[20:30] <RobertZaccour> google chrome os is supposed to boot in 8 seconds
[20:30] <Korcia> kushalone: no, on the contrary now it takes 6 seconds more
[20:30] <ZykoticK9> RobertZaccour, chromeos is just a browser that's it
[20:31] <kushalone> Korcia: It is still less than 50 seconds for me.
[20:31] <Ahren_The_Magus> h00k: When beta-2 is released I plan on destroying anunused 10 gig HD partition to install Lucid side-by-side with Hardy...then when Lucid goes LTS, I'll make the existing Hardy partition a FAT32 space to store drive images into.
[20:31] <RobertZaccour> ZykoticK9, aren't web apps built into the browser also?
[20:31] <DanaG> Nope, Ubuntu CD doesn't have an EFI loader.
[20:31] <Bittarman> lucid took my laptops boot down from 3 mins to about 50 seconds
[20:31] <kushalone> ZykoticK9: what is a web app, though?
[20:31] <KB1JWQ> h00k: All I need to know, thanks. :-)
[20:31] <ZykoticK9> RobertZaccour, sure - but it's just a browser (played with it in a VM, I wasn't to impressed)
[20:31] <h00k> Ahren_The_Magus: whatever works for you :)
[20:32] <RobertZaccour> Bittarman, 3 min? holy crap lol thats like runnin vista on 512 ram
[20:32] <ZykoticK9> kushalone, ask RobertZaccour
[20:32] <h00k> KB1JWQ: yeah, just keep checking for updates, they'll get there
[20:32] <KB1JWQ> Bittarman: Under 20 seconds here.
[20:32] <KB1JWQ> Bittarman: Half of it is BIOS.
[20:32] <h00k> !bootchart
[20:32] <Bittarman> RobertZaccour, uhuh.. its an old AMD X2
[20:32] <danopia> my laptop is finally starting to install 10.04 packages :D
[20:32] <KB1JWQ> Ooh.
[20:32] <DanaG> I keep getting pybootchartgui crashing.
[20:32] <Bittarman> 4GB ram, but just poop hardware
[20:32] <RobertZaccour> Bittarman, ah i see
[20:32] <Korcia> with jaunty the desktop it took 13 seconds (quad 9300 64 bits) but with lucid it takes 19 or 20 seconds
[20:32] <Drakeson> DanaG: thanks. I guess I have to debootstarp it then :D
[20:32] <Bittarman> my next laptop will be a macbook pro
[20:33] <DanaG> My next laptop would be the successor to my current laptop (HP EliteBook).
[20:33] <DanaG> Drakeson: you can also install the legacy way, and then later add grub-efi.
[20:33] <Drakeson> DanaG: I prefer to avoid refit if possible
[20:33] <RobertZaccour> wow, the iso takes less than 10 minutes to download
[20:33] <DanaG> What I mean is, you'd install it legacy way once, and then install grub-efi, and from there on, boot with EFI mode.
[20:34] <DanaG> It is lame that Ubuntu CDs don't have an EFI loader, though. :(
[20:34] <RobertZaccour> DanaG, whats EFI?
[20:34] <kushalone> I think it should be possible for you to write code in a Chrome OS notebook, upload it to have it compiled and so forth
[20:34] <Drakeson> RobertZaccour: the boot loader for apple hardware
[20:34] <DanaG> Not quite correct, actually.
[20:34] <Drakeson> I know ;)
[20:35] <RobertZaccour> Drakeson, oh, apple hardware is extremely limited Linux OS wise
[20:35] <DanaG> EFI (and UEFI) are a type of firmware that boots specific binary programs instead of a Master Boot Record.
[20:35] <DanaG> HP's business laptops now have UEFI, too.
[20:35] <KB1JWQ> !bootchart
[20:36] <Drakeson> DanaG: yes, but the need for an EFI loader is almost certainly associated to apple hardware.
[20:36] <DanaG> Itanium also uses a variant of EFI, by the way.
[20:36] <kushalone> I have learned to stay away from anything HP makes that is Compaq branded
[20:37] <KB1JWQ> 12.93 second boot time.
[20:37] <PolitikerNEU> wow
[20:37] <DanaG> The business and consumer divisions are WAY different.
[20:37] <kushalone> KB1JWQ: wow
[20:37]  * DanaG doesn't get bootcharts even with the bootchart package installed.
[20:37] <h00k> don't forget to take in mind that everything they add to the CD takes away from other things, this genreally dictates what does and doesn't get included by default
[20:37] <DanaG> Pybootchartgui just crashes.
[20:37] <KB1JWQ> According to bootchart.
[20:38] <kushalone> written in python (:
[20:38] <xguru> after the bios i get the following error "moutall: couldn't not connect with plymouth"
[20:38] <kushalone> just use a watch XD
[20:38] <xguru> *everything seems to startup fine
[20:39]  * DanaG goes off to reboot and submit a bug report on pybootchartgui crash.
[20:39] <KB1JWQ> In fairness, I cheated by throwing expensive hardware at the problem. :-p
[20:39] <ZykoticK9> xguru, did you use the beta1 cd to install?
[20:39] <xguru> ZykoticK9:  yup
[20:40] <ZykoticK9> xguru, oh that's just a message - it's starting up ok though?
[20:40] <xguru> well daily build from the 29th
[20:40] <xguru> ZykoticK9: yea no problems, just was wondering what that was from
[20:41] <ZykoticK9> xguru, ahh - disregard me then :)
[20:41] <Drakeson> RobertZaccour: where do you get the ISO (the one you mentioned takes merely 10 minutes to download). What I am getting takes something like 2 hours.
[20:41] <patdk-wk> mine takes 5seconds, it's on gigabit lan :)
[20:42] <RobertZaccour> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+lucid+daily+build first link, less than 10 actually
[20:42] <kushalone> KB1JWQ: I am on an Athlon XP 2400= with 512 MB RAM and I still get ~46 seconds boot time
[20:42] <nessita> ninjai: for the record (I already added this comment to the bug report), network seems to work better on the laptop (wifi, r8169 driver) than on the desktop (wired, e1000e driver). Though it's still slow, but faster than desktop
[20:43] <Drakeson> RobertZaccour: yes, that's the one I am downloading. *sigh*
[20:44] <RobertZaccour> Drakeson, got a 16mb connection :)
[20:44] <Drakeson> mine is 5MBps. still.
[20:44] <Drakeson> it is downloading at 80KB/sec!
[20:44] <kushalone> Can't wait for Google's fiber project
[20:45] <ninjai> nessita: Wired and wireless work fine on my laptop.  I thought you said you didn't have wireless?
[20:45] <kushalone> I am not sure why but Xubuntu downloaded A LOT slower for me than Ubuntu did.
[20:47] <kushalone> Can I run update manager as a desktop user? How?
[20:47] <PolitikerNEU> don't think so
[20:47] <PolitikerNEU> but you are able to enable automatic updates
[20:47] <nessita> ninjai: I don't on the desktop, I do on the laptop. On laptop, I tested both wireless and wired
[20:47] <Drakeson> kushalone: why would you do that?
[20:48] <ninjai> nessita: and wired is still slow on your laptop>
[20:48] <ninjai> ?
[20:48] <nessita> ninjai: yes, same speed
[20:48] <kushalone> Drakeson: well, I assumed that it would just prompt you for a username for a sudoer
[20:49] <JoshuaL> my laptop does not want to suspend
[20:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui/+bug/512172
[20:49] <DanaG> ah
[20:49] <JoshuaL> how can i fill in a nice bug report for that?
[20:50] <kushalone> but it just dumbly asks for _my_ password
[20:50] <Drakeson> kushalone: you are not a sudoer, right?
[20:50] <patdk-wk> hmm
[20:50] <kushalone> no, but I have access to another account that is
[20:51] <Drakeson> kushalone: maybe you should file a bug report.
[20:52] <kushalone> Drakeson: sounds like a good idea. I am just afraid of bad bug reports
[20:53] <kushalone> but for now, I shall just cross over to the other side and pretend that I am someone else
[20:57] <tritium> yofel: that worked.  Thanks again.
[20:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pybootchartgui/+bug/552794
[20:59] <DanaG> now I crash somewhere different.
[20:59] <DanaG> Nice job.
[21:02] <SalmonSam> Anyone know if its possible to disable the compiz blacklist in Lucid?
[21:17] <h4f> hi all. When I start update manager I see Update list which is waiting to install. When I do sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade I see nothing to be done
[21:18] <h4f> ?
[21:18] <yofel> h4f: packages held back maybe?
[21:18] <Ian_Corne> h4f: dist-upgrade
[21:18] <Ian_Corne> but be careful
[21:18] <h4f>  Ian_Corne:  thanks you're right
[21:20] <Ian_Corne> and if apt-get doesn't show enough info, aptitude might provide more info
[21:20] <guntbert> h4f: in this state of development such inconsistencies often vanish over night
[21:20] <h4f> thanks
[21:21] <h4f> and when I have switch off icon in RED does that mean that I need to reboot ?
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> wel
[21:21] <Ian_Corne> that means something requires your attention
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> restart will have been replaced by restart required
[21:22] <h4f>  Ian_Corne:  that's good but it does not say what exactly requires my attention
[21:22] <Oxymoron> devilsadvocate, yofel, kushalone: Hey :) Do you remember my problem before? :P That video output problem ... I wonder it still doesnt work after updated several possible candidates recently and I wonder, do you know which packages that is required for video output in Kaffeine and Dragonplayer for instance? Or if you know any site I can check on?
[21:22] <Ian_Corne> well if you click it
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> you'll see
[21:23] <Ian_Corne> it's the least intrusive way
[21:24] <h4f> Ian_Corne: Aha now I see. but at least it should be in different color or something . so I will see shich menu items wants my attention
[21:26] <yofel> Oxymoron: I'm really clueless, dragonplayer refuses to play anything here actually, but vlc smplayer kaffeine or totem all work fine here
[21:29] <Oxymoron> yofel: Dragonplayer refuse to play for me if I try to use gstreamer intead of xine, vlc works and I thought with some video updates with xserver and kde it Could have be fixed or something but I still got same problem. I tried to remove .kde folder and same problem cotinained even then. I wonder if it could be that I miss some video codec package or something thats uninstaleld or anything like that. The same was when I sorted
[21:29] <Oxymoron> out by Sarvatt and tseliot that I didnt have nvidia-common installed and some things didnt work properly then. But that still didnt solve my video problem.
[21:30] <Oxymoron> yofel: I even have tried xine and mplayer through terminal and there it actually work flawless playing any file
[21:30] <yofel> o.O
[21:30] <yofel> ok, I'll leave it at that as I'm utterly confused now...
[21:31] <Oxymoron> yofel: Dragonplayer got updated to 4.4.2 recently and it didnt change anything and Kaffeine doesnt work. Both of them use xine if I have noticed it correctly. Seriously I have tried like evrything that you can try, whats left? :S
[21:34] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Does xine itself work?
[21:34] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Yes, I tried xine file://dmdpmfpom/lol.avi
[21:35] <penguin42> ok so then it's dragonplayer or one of it's libs rather than the stuff they all share
[21:35] <Oxymoron> penguin42: And I havent noticed anyone else got problem with Dragonplayer or Kaffeine
[21:35] <laumonier> hi everyone i have a problem sometimes when im watching a video or when im playing a video games my screen becomes just line of color which appears and disapears fastly someone have the same problem and is there a way to fix it????
[21:36] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Before VLC didnt work, I changed output mode but I dont know I htink they posted a patch before so it works out of the box now. I have also heard something with QT and Cairo Dock conflicts but I tried without Cairo dock and it still didnt work. I havent uninstalled Cairo dock Though
[21:38] <Oxymoron> penguin42: One another thing is that MAYBE some Gnome package could conflict someway? I know some packages was installed by Cairo dock. Could maybe try remove Cairo and all unneccesary gnome packages to try it out if it works then
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> hmmmrf, empathy doesn't allow me to move contacts anymore..
[21:39] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Shouldn't; I've run dragonplayer in the past in gnome
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> neither gtalk, nor msn
[21:39] <bigfoot-> Hi!  Is there a reason that there's no sun-java6-jdk (yet?) in Lucid?
[21:39] <Oxymoron> penguin42: YEs, but I am running kDE ...
[21:40] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Oh and recently Gnome panel appeared behind plasma panel that was odd :D But fixed now with latest packages thank god :)
[21:40] <bigfoot-> (Besides that I'm pretty impressed how seamlessly I could upgrade from Karmic to Lucid, good work!)
[21:40] <yofel> bigfoot-: it's in the canonical partner repos now (sun-java6)
[21:41] <bigfoot-> yofel: Thanks!
[21:45] <DanaG> heh, added my dropbox dir to ubuntuone... and now "couch database" (why do I need a database of furniture? =þ -- just kidding) and ubuntuone-syncdaemon are each using 100% of one CPU core.
[21:45] <Oxymoron> yofel, penguin42: Do you know if KDE need some gnome packages or can i safely do apt-get remove gnome*? :D
[21:45] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Should be able to do with out all gnome stuff I think
[21:45] <DanaG> desktopcouch... good luck fitting a couch on my desk.
[21:45]  * yofel would be surprised if KDE needed any gnome stuff
[21:46] <penguin42> Oxymoron: If you take out libgtk2.0-0 it should take out all of gnome - just watch the list of stuff it tries to take out though
[21:46] <guntbert> DanaG: no - its a couch with a desk sitting on top ;-)
[21:47] <Oxymoron> penguin42: gnome* wasnt so good, that try to remove dropbox :D
[21:48] <penguin42> dropbox?
[21:48] <yofel> well, doesn't dropbox use nautilus?
[21:48] <yofel> (I only tried it once a long time ago)
[21:48] <Oxymoron> Isnt nautilus gnome? :P
[21:49] <yofel> Oxymoron: well it is, but we don't know that you're using dropbox ;)
[21:49] <jimlovell777> Forgive me if this has been covered but after the latest round of updates and a reboot I lost scrolling on my touchpad. Also the speed is way off. I went to mouse settings but the touchpad tab is missing. I can't scroll which is a problem. Any suggestions?
[21:49] <Oxymoron> Well dropbox rocks and is coming to Android soon :) Btw, do you know if there will be any integration with *buntu and Droid devices in someway?
[21:50] <DanaG> jimlovell777: try this:
[21:50] <DanaG> sudo modprobe -r psmouse
[21:50] <DanaG> sudo modprobe psmouse
[21:50] <yofel> jimlovell777: what's your xserver-xorg-input-synaptics version?
[21:50] <DanaG> Oxymoron: I sure hope they'll make it for ALL ARM stuff, not just Android.
[21:50] <Oxymoron> penguin42: apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0 was really dangerous tried to almost kill all my apps :D
[21:51] <penguin42> Oxymoron: It'll have got all of Gnome!
[21:51] <jimlovell777> DanaG: Nope, didn't work.
[21:51] <DanaG> weird.
[21:51] <yofel> jimlovell777: what's your xserver-xorg-input-synaptics version?
[21:51] <DanaG> check dmesg for stuff about synaptics.
[21:52] <jimlovell777> yofel: checking now.
[21:52] <Oxymoron> DanaG: Yes as I have heard, but would be cool to use my Android phone for UbuntuOne, as a temrinal, connect to my pc, use as remote control and so on. I am sure some is implemented already, but not official I guess
[21:52] <DanaG> hmm, ubuntuone doesn't seem to deal so well with the thousands of files that are my pidgin logs.
[21:53] <DanaG> =þ
[21:53] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Seriously, look on this: http://pastebin.com/UbCc4AHE
[21:53] <yofel> jimlovell777: you should have 1.2.2-1ubuntu1
[21:54] <nessita> DanaG: in which sense?
[21:55] <yofel> jimlovell777: to check it you can just open a terminal and run '$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-synaptics'
[21:55] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[21:56] <jimlovell777> it's 1.2.2.1ubuntu1
[21:56] <yofel> hm, not that problem then
[21:56] <yofel> jimlovell777: then do 'dpkg | grep -i synaptics' like DanaG suggested
[21:57] <yofel> er...
[21:57] <penguin42> Oxymoron: I'm surprised it took out amarok!
[21:57] <yofel> dmesg | grep -i synaptics
[21:57] <yofel> jimlovell777: ^
[21:57] <penguin42> Oxymoron: Maybe libgnomeui-0 might be a better start?
[21:57] <jimlovell777> nothing returned
[21:58]  * nessita reboots again
[21:58] <yofel> hm
[21:59] <exalt> helloo
[21:59] <jimlovell777> let me try booting again brb
[21:59] <exalt> i installed ubuntu today but my sounds inst installed, any idea?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> evening guys and galls
[22:00] <BUGabundo> hi yofel
[22:00] <BUGabundo> how it hanging
[22:00] <yofel> for me good, for the rest buggy it seems ^^
[22:01] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:01] <BUGabundo> I'm still having trouble with flashcam
[22:01] <BUGabundo> got a new version but its using all my cpu
[22:01] <BUGabundo> plus gnome-do is broken.... again
[22:01] <BUGabundo> what a surprise, right?
[22:02] <jimlovell777> works after reboot. thanks for the help.
[22:03] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Yes that was a lot better :) Then I used autoremove ;) HOpefully it maybe work now, weird that it removed pulseaudio though :S
[22:04] <penguin42> weird!
[22:04] <Oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah, weird dependecies or whatever xD
[22:05] <thelsdj> anyone heard reports about mountall hanging?
[22:05] <thelsdj> i have pretty simple disk setup, no crypto or lvm or anything but mountall appears to be hanging on boot after recent upgrade
[22:08] <penguin42> thelsdj: A few people, but they normally have people given a warning about it waiting for something - is it not saying anything?
[22:08] <thelsdj> huh, looks like it finally crashed with status 2
[22:08] <thelsdj> nope, it just prints error trying to mount swap since its already on (since i killed off processes to get to shell and restarted it)
[22:10] <thelsdj> then hangs, and this one time a few minutes later terminated with status 2
[22:10] <thelsdj> is there a way to interrupt boot and get a shell before mountall is called?
[22:11] <thelsdj> tried removing splash and quiet and adding single but mountall still called before i get shell
[22:11] <thelsdj> also is there a way to stop boot process from resetting framebuffer? as i'd rather not lose old messages
[22:12] <ElVirolo> hi everyone
[22:12] <ElVirolo> is the fact that gnome 2.30 is being uploaded the reason why my gdm keeps crashing without letting me select the user ?
[22:13] <timboy> where do I see the package count for x64?
[22:14] <yofel> tritium: package count?
[22:14] <yofel> tritium: sry
[22:14] <timboy> build count?
[22:14] <yofel> timboy: ^
[22:14] <flawed> hello. I just tried to install the 10.04 beta.  while installing ubiquity crashed, and the crashreport tool wouldn't let me send the report because some packages were outdated.
[22:14] <thelsdj> mountall -v seems to hang after 'swap finished'
[22:14] <timboy> how long until flux is done? I know there is some sort of count
[22:15] <yofel> timboy: hard to say, the queue is being done, but new packages are uploaded all the time, the worst phase should be over
[22:15] <timboy> ah queue that's the number
[22:16] <yofel> timboy: the queue is at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending&arch_tag=amd64
[22:16] <timboy> yofel, thx
[22:17] <yofel> timboy: but amd64 packages depend on the i386 build queue too sometimes as architecture idependent packages (like -common) are built on i386
[22:17] <timboy> bah
[22:18] <yofel> timboy: the i386 queue is huge, but that are mostly language pack rebuilds https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+builds?arch_tag=i386&build_state=pending&build_text=&start=0&batch=50
[22:18] <timboy> why's it take so long?
[22:18] <leagris> are we going to get ride of the fucking pulseaudio in next ubuntu or should I switch to another distro that won't screw audio over and over?
[22:19] <timboy> leagris, is there a debian distro that doesn't screw audio?
[22:19] <yofel> timboy: as I said, the worst phase should be over as gnome should be fully built by now, but there might be packages that need to be fixed, it you want to upgrade do it, but be cautious
[22:19] <penguin42> leagris: I think it's finally working for most people; feel free to switch but I don't think there are many left on Gnome; your easiest change is to switch away from Gnome
[22:19] <leagris> I am very upset of dealing with sound ratling, microphone input stopping working randomly
[22:20] <leagris> 5.1 output working randomly
[22:20]  * timboy upgrades with caution "shhhh... i'm hunting wabbits"
[22:20] <leagris> penguin42, is that a better situation with kde ?
[22:20] <penguin42> leagris: My understanding is that kde doesn't depend on pulse as much, and I think a standard kubuntu install will run without pulse
[22:21] <DanaG> leagris: if you have audio issues, file bugs on the sound card hardware.
[22:21] <DanaG> What hardware do you have, by the way?
[22:21] <leagris> DanaG, yes, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/376024?comments=all
[22:21] <DanaG> I've noticed that an emu10k1 sucks, but an hda-intel works fine, for example.
[22:21] <DanaG> leagris: that's not a driver bug.
[22:21] <leagris> DanaG, and the won't fix
[22:22] <leagris> or this one with rattling https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/376024?comments=all
[22:23] <penguin42> leagris: You seem to be assuming that the cure to your problem is asoundconf
[22:23] <leagris> Sorry was meant to pint to [Bug 445849
[22:23] <DanaG> Might be good to put audio hardware info in the title.
[22:23] <leagris> penguin42, I hav much precise control with alsa than with pulse
[22:24] <thelsdj> looks like mountall was hanging on either my floppy/cdrom or external usb lines, will track down to see which it is
[22:24] <penguin42> leagris: Possibly true - but if Pulse actually got it right and just worked for you then you wouldn't actually have a need for it would you?
[22:24] <DanaG> My only remaining PulseAudio issue is this:
[22:25] <DanaG> http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/678
[22:25] <KB1JWQ> kushalone: Yeah, it's an SSD here that does most of it.
[22:25] <DanaG> ... and that's a buggy piece of hardware that confuses even Windows.
[22:25] <leagris> penguin42, I can't understand the use of a software blob and bloat over alsa which have plenty of all needed functions
[22:26]  * BUGabundo slaps DanaG for pinging me pointeless
[22:26] <DanaG> PA doesn't replace ALSA.
[22:26] <DanaG> what ping?
[22:26]  * yofel actually never got alsa to respect ouputting sound in different apps
[22:26] <danopia> http://home.danopia.net/hdsent
[22:27] <yofel> like vlc would block firefox and vice versa, with pulse it just works
[22:27] <danopia> let's play spot-the-fail
[22:27] <penguin42> leagris: PA seems to handle some stuff better than just Alsa; if you get a bunch of apps all using pa they can get their output to different outputs in a pretty neat way; now that's not something I do - but it was a common problem with Alsa that as soon as one thing used the audio everything else blocked
[22:27] <flawed> yofel: sound multiplexer on the sound card makes life just so much easier ;-)
[22:27] <timboy> +1 to 10.10 being mangy monkey
[22:27] <DanaG> Another example of wrong blame: that resize lag in fglrx... yeah, it is worse there than anywhere else, but that doesn't make reading back VRAM contents to allocate a new window... not STUPID.
[22:27] <thelsdj> so mountall just hangs waiting for a non existant /dev/sd* device? is that a bug or a feature?
[22:27] <yofel> flawed: do that with a stupid internal intel HDA device -.-
[22:28] <penguin42> thelsdj: Is it mentioned in your /etc/fstab ?
[22:28] <DanaG> It sucks on nvidia, and on radeon, too.
[22:28] <timboy> anyone else having issues with amdcccle not saving settings?
[22:28] <flawed> yofel: true, true.
[22:28] <leagris> penguin42, I guess it is an issue of card having hardware mixers or relying one software mixing
[22:28] <thelsdj> penguin42: yes its in my fstab, but because i changed things around the device came up on a different name
[22:28] <DanaG> handy hint: use /dev/disk/by-id paths
[22:28] <penguin42> thelsdj: So edit the fstab so it uses a label or UUID, that way it doesn't matter if you change things around
[22:28] <thelsdj> so still the question is, this is a feature? boot hangs if an entry in /etc/fstab is missing?
[22:29] <leagris> I can't understand my sound setup work, and after next reboot Ot stop working and I can get back a correct setup
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> on what kind of setup are all these packages being build?
[22:29] <penguin42> leagris: Thing is Pulse isn't the 1st thing to try and do this; There was ESD that Pulse effectively replaced, and Jack and Phonon on KDE
[22:29] <thelsdj> not saying it might not be a good feature, but not the way i expect things to work, so trying to make sure i understand the behavior
[22:30] <penguin42> thelsdj: Generally if it's in fstab as something that's mount at boot then yeh hanging is reasonable
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Phonon isn't really comparable. It's just a common API for playing sound files, basically
[22:30] <leagris> penguin42, I liked the ides of jack. That would have been a usefull default but it miss some application support
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> Phonon doesn't have any software mixing capabilities, or the like
[22:30] <JontheEchidna> though it can play things through pulse
[22:30] <penguin42> thelsdj: I don't quite get mountall yet, but one of the problems is that with USB and firewire disks the discs might not apper for a few seconds
[22:30] <DanaG> phonon is something like sdl or openal, isn't it?
[22:31] <leagris> I even tryed the ubuntustudio variant and could not get it working properly
[22:31] <flawed> penguin42: and I have the fear that it'll never be solved completely until it ends up in the kernel. ;-)
[22:31] <penguin42> leagris: So I think Pulse has most of the features that Jack has and it's now getting there by default - hence the applications are using it
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> DanaG: yeah, similar
[22:31] <penguin42> flawed: Yeh, I've never quite figured out why it didn't land in the kernel - it's not THAT hard
[22:31] <Lamo> http://www.kongregate.com/games/DarkRealmStudios/pandemic-2 Curious if anyone might have a moment to check out this flash game to see if they experience the same issues with flash i.e. flickering,wont register mouse clicks till ive pressed it at least 50 times.
[22:31] <penguin42> flawed: Heck, I think there was an option for it
[22:31] <DanaG> Part of is is that there's the policy of not putting floating-point math in the kernel.
[22:32] <DanaG> And another part is that, if pulse crashes, you don't want it taking down the kernel.
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> the idea was that if $preferred-auto-library at any point changed, that all that would need to be done was a new phonon backend, rather than porting every single application to the new audio library
[22:32] <penguin42> DanaG: Don't need fp for most audio mixing
[22:32] <leagris> penguin42, it appear pulse does not handle sound level properly. The sound loopback from my microphone is ok but as son as I record it, I get cracks and noises with my voice fahr behind
[22:33] <thelsdj> penguin42: yeah, the behavior i would expect from an /etc/fstab entry of a usb disk without 'noauth' would be for it to mount when it shows up, but not hang boot
[22:33] <DanaG> try adding "noauto"?
[22:33] <leagris> The sound I hear from my microphone is clear if I enalbe output of microphone with Alsa (as PA doesnt show this option)
[22:34] <DanaG> leagris: of course... that's not captured audio... it's hardware loopback.
[22:34] <DanaG> try recording from bare alsa and playing back.
[22:34] <DanaG> handy hint:
[22:34] <DanaG> !info gamix
[22:34] <penguin42> thelsdj: I don't think the fstab stuff is that smart, only put stuff in there that is needed at boot
[22:34] <thelsdj> DanaG: yeah, how can i get best of both worlds? :) i want everything!
[22:35] <thelsdj> penguin42: agreed, but its annoying if i use it as external disk for file server or something to have to ssh in mount manually after boot
[22:35] <DanaG> hmm, headless boxes can use usbmount for usb and firewire stuff.
[22:35] <DanaG> !info usbmount
[22:36] <thelsdj> i'll take a look at that, thanks, i mean in general this drive should almost always be there, but what if it dies?
[22:36] <thelsdj> or i forget to turn it on?
[22:36] <thelsdj> seems like hanging boot and having to use alt+sysrq+i to get shell is bad
[22:37] <penguin42> thelsdj: The problem is if you let it automatically continue for any drive then all hell breaks lose if a server process starts up without a missing filesystem
[22:37] <penguin42> thelsdj: Neither answer is pretty
[22:37] <leagris> DanaG, thank for gamix. It look awesome
[22:37] <thelsdj> yep, fstab needs a semiauto option, will look into usbmount though
[22:38]  * penguin42 disappears for a while
[22:38] <Oxymoron> penguin42, yofel: ""
[22:38] <Oxymoron> InotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[22:38] <Oxymoron> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/oxymoron/.config/ibus/bus
[22:38] <Oxymoron> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[22:38] <Oxymoron> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[22:39] <yofel> Oxymoron: I see that too sometimes here
[22:39] <Oxymoron> yofel: That happens when I try DragonPLayer ... in command konsole
[22:41] <Oxymoron> yofel: I got exact same error in Kaffeine ... wonder why xD
[22:41] <Oxymoron> yofel: In Kaffeine also:
[22:41] <Oxymoron> X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8
[22:41] <Oxymoron>   Extension:    133 (Uknown extension)
[22:41] <Oxymoron>   Minor opcode: 19 (Unknown request)
[22:41] <Oxymoron>   Resource id:  0x16a
[22:41] <leagris> DanaG, gamix allowed me to fix broken sound. I uninstalled pulseaudio
[22:43] <yofel> Oxymoron: hm, kaffeine just dumps some error to the console that it can't lock the kde icon cache, but that's all
[22:46] <boredomist> visual effects don't seem to stick between sessions. I log in, set visual effects to "extra", and then I log in later, they are back to none.
[22:46] <boredomist> suggestions?
[22:48] <Oxymoron> yofel: I personally think it oculd be this:
[22:48] <Oxymoron> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[22:48] <Oxymoron> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[22:49] <jherico> I just upgraded a machine from karmic to lucid via the update manager and its no longer booting properly in either the normal boot or the recovery console.  anyone want to take a crack at helping?
[22:49] <Oxymoron> yofel: But I got one smart idea by Sarvatt in another channel :) Well he doesnt use KDE, but in terminal is it possible to show more debugging info when running app through there?
[22:49] <Oxymoron> jherico: I got same problem, explain what does happen when you try to boot?
[22:51] <jherico> when I boot normally it gives a message about 'mountall: unable to connec to plymouth' and then simply stops.  Using ctrl-alt-delete causes it to reboot after some disk activity.... if I boot in the recovery console the messages stop after it inintializes USB... again if I hit ctrl-alt-delete it does some disk activity and then prints out 'stopping all md devices' and reboots
[22:51] <jherico> clearly the kernel is there, but its never giving me a shell or login screen
[22:51] <yofel> jherico: does something happen if you press 's' ?
[22:52] <jherico> one sec, I'll have to quit out of the mem test
[22:52] <yofel> jherico: btw, do you see the boot splash on normal boot?
[22:53] <jherico> characters I type are echoed to the console, but nothing else happens.  I do not see the boot splash screen on normal boot.  the last thing I see is the mountall message
[22:54] <jherico> alt-f7 brings me to a blank screen, which will also echo characters, and alt-f1 will toggle me back to the main screen, but nothing else seems to happen
[22:54] <yofel> hm, I had plymouth hanging on boot thanks to mountall, but there it (invisibly) prompted to either skip or debug a mount failure
[22:55] <yofel> where pressing 'S' should skip it
[22:55] <thelsdj> ok, so the trick is to set your usb filesystem noauto in /etc/fstab and identified by UUID, then install usbmount and make sure /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf has the filesystem allowed, then it _should_ mount asyncronously on boot
[22:55] <thelsdj> now to fix samba... :(
[22:55] <jherico> I think the plymouth error message is a red herring honestly since booting in recovery console should  bypass that to my knowledge
[22:56] <yofel> jherico: not if what stops is mountall, it doesn't support posting the error on console with plymouth disabled (yet hopefully)
[22:56] <Oxymoron> How to debug a KDE app anyone?
[22:56] <yofel> jherico: but that error is one that we almost all have, you should get some other error
[22:57] <yofel> jherico: do you have some network or usb filesystemm in your fstab?
[22:57] <thelsdj> jherico: you should be able to use alt+sysrq+i to get a shell, but that will kill all the services that are starting
[22:57] <thelsdj> yep, i had that problem, try disabling everything but required filesystems in /etc/fstab once you get a shell
[22:58] <jherico> I don't believe so.  its a laptop and its only drive is the internal one.... I had another machine which refused to booth with an external usb drive attached and since the last dmesg message I see int he recovering console are usb related I even tried booting without the dock... but still nothing
[22:58] <yofel> fore me it's moutnall not waiting for network to be up before mounting my nfs mounts
[22:58] <penguin42> yofel: Sigh
[22:58] <thelsdj> yeah, that sounds like a bug heh
[22:59] <penguin42> mountall seems to be a real pain
[22:59] <yofel> penguin42: it IS a real pain *-.-
[22:59] <jherico> super.... I've killed my laptop
[22:59] <penguin42> yofel: What I haven't figured out if it's mountall's fault, upstarts, the initramfs or whatever configures it all
[23:00] <yofel> penguin42: dunno, there's a bug about that actually that's being worked on
[23:00] <yofel> so they'll fix it in time for release hopefully
[23:00] <Oxymoron> I think its something weird with fstab. For me I got some weird stuff with usb added to my fstab list and after I removed it the system started :P
[23:00] <yofel> but it took me ages to figure out what was the problem
[23:01] <jherico> lets see if I can fiddle with the bios and get it up
[23:01] <yofel> boot with (working) plymouth: boot stops with a nfs failure prompt to skip or run a maintenance shell, boot without splash: boot stops without any message, boot with pylmouth purged: boot continues ignoring the errors
[23:02] <thelsdj> jherico: do you know how to edit grub to remove the splash screen? also disable 'quiet' options, once you've done that you should be able to use alt+sysrq+i after it hangs to get a shell
[23:03] <jherico> yeah, I was trying adding 'nosplash' to my boot options earlier... I'll try that in a sec
[23:03] <thelsdj> jherico: 'e' to edit the grub entry, then 'e' to edit the kernel line, remove splash and quiet, then hit enter, i also hit 'd' on the 'quiet' line to delete it and then hit 'b' to boot
[23:04] <jherico> hey... I have a prompt
[23:04] <thelsdj> did you use the alt+sysrq+i to get it?
[23:04] <jherico> yes
[23:05]  * yofel makes a note that sysrq+i helps in this case...
[23:05] <thelsdj> ok, so try typing 'mountall -v' if you think problem with mountall
[23:05] <thelsdj> does it hang or error or just seem to exit cleanly?
[23:06] <jherico> its doing a bunch of crap.... it appears to be entering the normal login screen
[23:06] <thelsdj> huh, so worse comes to worse you just have to do this every time it boots :P
[23:06] <jherico> hmmm.... could it be this 'usbdevfs' crap in my fstab?
[23:07] <thelsdj> possibly
[23:07] <thelsdj> try commenting it out and doing a normal boot
[23:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: Debug kde app? :P
[23:08] <yofel> Oxymoron: er... debug it like any other app?
[23:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: dragon --debug doesnt work? xD
[23:08] <yofel> if you want to debug the ibus error don't ask me, I don't even know what that is
[23:08] <jherico> ok.... I'm still getting the error about plymouth, but booting then proceeds normally
[23:09]  * thelsdj is still waiting for UPS to show up with $1800 worth of stuff from Newegg
[23:09] <jherico> looks like that was it
[23:09] <Oxymoron> yofel: No I want more info from dragonplayer except that error
[23:09] <exalt> how can i install sound?
[23:09] <thelsdj> sounds to me like mountall either needs to be less strict or the upgrade process needs a lot of work
[23:10] <yofel> Oxymoron: no idea, I know vlc had a bunch of debug options, but I have no idea about dragonplayer, run dragon --help-all to see what you can use
[23:10] <yofel> thelsdj: acutally if plymouth works you get a prompt where you can skip the not-mounting stuff or open a maintenance shell
[23:10] <yofel> thelsdj: but if you disable splash the boot will just hang
[23:11] <jherico> suboptimal
[23:11] <yofel> thelsdj: if you don't want the boot to hand without splash you need to remove plymouth
[23:11] <yofel> s/hand/hang/
[23:11] <yofel> at least removing plymouth is a workaround for my nfs error here
[23:12] <thelsdj> yeah and plymouth didn't work properly the first time i booted with the problem so that needs fixed too
[23:12] <Oxymoron> yofel: I found --sync but it doesnt do wnything magic :D
[23:14] <jimlovell777> I'm trying to test out gtkpod-aac iphone syncing but um I can't find the mountpoint in use...
[23:14] <jherico> well thanks very much for the assist
[23:15] <Zelozelos> zenker hi
[23:18] <Zenker> zenker hi
[23:23] <Zenker> clear
[23:23] <Zenker> cls
[23:23] <BALSAQ> just installed lucid and loving it!
[23:23] <Gaming4JC> Thank goodness today's snapshot includes wvdial. I'm using it right now
[23:24] <DASPRiD> Zenker,
[23:24] <BALSAQ> much improved theme
[23:24] <Gaming4JC> :D
[23:24] <DASPRiD> /clear may work
[23:24] <Gaming4JC> 10.4 is awesome
[23:24] <Zenker> DASPRiD yes?
[23:24] <BALSAQ> still wish it was "shinier" though
[23:24] <BALSAQ> Gaming4JC, there is no 10.4 lol
[23:24] <BALSAQ> there's a 10.04 being made right now
[23:24] <Gaming4JC> I know.
[23:24] <Gaming4JC> I got a daily snapshot just today
[23:24] <Gaming4JC> :)
[23:24] <DASPRiD> BALSAQ, sure, it comes in the 40th month of 2010 :)
[23:25] <BALSAQ> DASPRiD, good one haha
[23:25] <BALSAQ> thats like when someone asks me when my birthday i say july 32nd
[23:25] <Gaming4JC> I'd like it if they moved the window buttons back to the right. It's sooo confusing lol
[23:25] <Mohero> I'm on 9.16 :-)
[23:25] <Mohero> :P
[23:25] <BALSAQ> its supposed to make more room for the right side
[23:25] <DASPRiD> Gaming4JC, you can do that yourself via gconf
[23:25] <Gaming4JC> k
[23:25] <BALSAQ> that way its on the same side as the tabs, on the left
[23:25] <Zenker> Gaming4jC check out how-to-geeks site he shows a way to move them back :)
[23:26] <exalt> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/evan/.gvfs
[23:26] <exalt>       Output information may be incomplete.
[23:26] <Gaming4JC> Zenker: Ok will do. Still why would they bother confusing everyone with the change. :P
[23:26] <Zenker> u got me :)
[23:26] <BALSAQ> i wish they would make a default shiny theme, still plain flat as always grrrrrrr
[23:26] <Mohero> my opinion on the window buttons is, I like them, but I don't think changing it for the LTS is the right decision....
[23:26] <DASPRiD> Gaming4JC, maybe they want to attract mac-guys ;>
[23:26] <Gaming4JC> haha
[23:26] <danopia> the amd64 queue is 16 hours long again D:
[23:27] <yofel> !currentissues
[23:27] <Gaming4JC> Also, I seem to have lost sound in this version. o_O
[23:27] <danopia> there's a *ton* of private source projects building atm
[23:27] <BALSAQ> Gaming4JC, its to have the tabs on the same side of the page, makes it more accessible and more room to the right for more open windows
[23:27] <Gaming4JC> Always worked before... hmmm (checks)
[23:27] <Gaming4JC> BALSAQ: Ah ok.
[23:27] <BALSAQ> if you have lots of windows open, the buttons and the tabs are easier to get to, all on the same side. i like it
[23:27] <Zenker> no i DO like the tabs thing, makes a lot of sense 2 me we always have more horizontal space then vertical
[23:28] <DASPRiD> maybe we should put the buttons to the center
[23:28] <DASPRiD> perfect weight between win and mac ;)
[23:28] <Zenker> rofl
[23:28] <fabio333> what is "legacy " "ambiency" about  in gnome-terminal?
[23:28] <yofel> DASPRiD: and the title to the left?
[23:28] <danopia> yofel, yes
[23:28] <yofel> lol
[23:28] <DASPRiD> yofel, we can display that one on mouse over ;)
[23:28] <danopia> wait, center the title too
[23:28] <danopia> but split it in half
[23:28] <DASPRiD> lol
[23:28] <danopia> the buttons go between the two parts
[23:28] <BALSAQ> i don't know why every default theme is always "flat" looking. shiny is good :)
[23:29] <yofel> danopia: please not :D
[23:29] <Mohero> I've seen how many people have gone up in arms about the buttons moving to the left, I'd hate to see what they'd do by moving them to the middle! :)
[23:29] <Gaming4JC> eek!
[23:29] <Mohero> can we do it "for a giggle" :-D
[23:29] <Gaming4JC> lol.
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> !controls > Gaming4JC
[23:29]  * danopia almost wants to make a mockup of that
[23:29] <Zenker> heehee, they should do it just to see
[23:29] <BALSAQ> yall don't think the will stay like it is?
[23:29]  * Gaming4JC can't view queries in Empathy? o_O
[23:29] <BALSAQ> are there really more complaints than there are compliments?
[23:29] <danopia> Building i386 build of linux 2.6.32-19.28 in ubuntu lucid RELEASE
[23:30] <danopia> new kernel?
[23:30] <Mohero> dunno, I don't mind it to be honest, the hardest part for me is moving from home (10.04) to work (9.10)
[23:30] <ZykoticK9> !controls | Gaming4JC
[23:30] <BALSAQ> oh if you install google-chrome browser, the buttons are on the right by default, chrome doesn't change
[23:30] <Zenker> put the close button on top left, minimize on top right, maximize on bottom left rofl
[23:30] <Gaming4JC> thanks.
[23:30] <BALSAQ> chrome doesn't even integrate your theme
[23:30] <DASPRiD> Zenker, please do ;)
[23:30] <danopia> title in the bottom right
[23:30] <Mohero> Zenker: I like that
[23:30] <Mohero> would be entertaining
[23:30] <Zenker> would be different for sure ;)
[23:31] <Mohero> how about putting an option in the theme file, so each theme can choose where to put the buttons (I think KDE does (did) this)
[23:31] <penguin42> Mohero: There's a bug report open for that, someone has written some code for it
[23:31] <Zenker> mohero that is one of the suggestions on the site
[23:31] <Mohero> would stop the riff-raff from comlpaining quite so much
[23:31] <fabio333> use emerald for that....
[23:31] <danopia> xfce had a GUI dialog where you cuold reorganize the whole titlebar
[23:31] <Mohero> cool
[23:31] <danopia> like 2 years ago
[23:31] <erik__> Hi. Im experiencing total system freeze occationally. is there any log or something I could check to see whats causing it?
[23:31] <danopia> gnome doesn't [yet]
[23:32] <Mohero> danopia: I remember that.
[23:32] <Mohero> anywa
[23:32] <fabio333> metacity indeed does that
[23:32] <Mohero> I think I went to bed an hour ago....
[23:32] <Mohero> nn
[23:32] <erik__> like, my screen freezes and doesnt respond to anything, and I need to do a hard restart.
[23:32]  * danopia is homealone and spending his free time listening to loud mozart music
 : gconf-editor ---> metacity --> general ---> button-layout
[23:33] <BALSAQ> loud mozart, thats about as funny as bumpin country with amp and subs lol
[23:33] <danopia> metacity is under apps btw
 metacity indeed does that
[23:34] <DASPRiD> btw, i hope that we don't get gnome-shell before they implemented wobbly windows ;)
[23:34] <danopia> not what i was takling about
[23:34] <danopia> i mean a GUI that people can easily use
[23:34] <fabio333> !mondo | me
[23:34] <erik__> anyone? what log should i check to figure out why my system freezes?
[23:35] <DASPRiD> erik__, if it really freezes there may be no log entry at all
[23:35] <DASPRiD> but check the kernel log
[23:35] <Gaming4JC> I'm loving the whole thing, now just for a few bugs. :)
[23:35] <danopia> yay i have a menu to the left of my titlebar
[23:35] <danopia> thanks Mohero/fabio333
[23:36]  * danopia added a spacer too
[23:37] <Oxymoron> yofel: Interesting, ibus wasnt even installed and its a new framework for dbus ... I havent restarted xserver yet, but soon and then we will see if it could maybe work :)
[23:37] <danopia> hey a cehckbox for the numlock light on my keyboard :P
[23:37] <danopia> realtime conf editors ftw
[23:38]  * penguin42 gets quite a few moans about ibus
[23:38] <_1x2_> help for amarok
[23:38] <_1x2_> after the update to the beta and final crash and tried to install new and do not want.
[23:39] <erik___> im back. it just did it again.
[23:39] <erik___> all off a sudden my screen freezes and i cant do anything.
[23:39] <erik___> cant find anything in the kernel log
[23:39] <penguin42> erik__: What is your hardware? Does ctrl-alt-f1 work? Does capslock work? Does the machine ping?
[23:39] <erik___> its an acer aspire one netbook.
[23:40] <erik___> intel n450 cpu. atheros wlan.
[23:40] <Oxymoron> yofel: I ll be damn, I installed ibus restarted xserver and then it worked :D
[23:40] <erik___> will try cntrl alt f1 next time it happens. caps lock doesnt work, it doesnt ping.
[23:41] <yofel> Oxymoron: now that you mention it, I have ibus installed here...
[23:41] <erik___> I think it might have something to do with my wlan. my network seems to disconnect just before it happens sometimes.
[23:41] <erik___> but im not sure
[23:42] <yofel> Oxymoron: do you have ibus-qt4 installed?
[23:42] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes, but ibus-qt4 was installed but not ibus :D
[23:43] <yofel> hm, ubuntu-desktop recommends ibus but not kubuntu-desktop (it only recommends ibus-qt4)
[23:44] <markit> kubuntu 10.04 daily build, can't install in a 2 x 500 gb computer, at the "partition" stage shows no hd device, is it a known bug that will be fixed really soon? :)
[23:44] <yofel> Oxymoron: can you ask in #kubuntu-devel if that's a bug?
[23:44] <Gaming4JC> waittt a minute... Where's GIMP?
[23:45] <yofel> Gaming4JC: in the repos, not on the live disk
[23:45] <penguin42> markit: That should work; although I've heard someone else have problems without seeing the disks
[23:45] <Sarvatt> its a few clicks away in your package manager
[23:45] <Gaming4JC> I have dial-up, it'd take forever to download it. :P
[23:45] <Gaming4JC> oh well.
[23:45] <markit> penguin42: wondering if the problem is having 2 h
[23:45] <penguin42> Gaming4JC: USB stick and a friend with a fast connection!
[23:45] <markit> hd
[23:46] <penguin42> markit: Shouldn't be - are they connected to a fairly normal motherboard/controller?
[23:46] <Gaming4JC> penguin42: True. That's what I used to get this live cd. :D
[23:46] <erik___> http://pastebin.com/Gt5mr0u7 found that in daemon.log the time matches when my system froze (i know cause i was away, and saw the frozen time when i got back)
[23:46] <erik___> anyone able to tell me what it means? (:
[23:46] <Gaming4JC> They still need to make an easier method to download all packages and dependencies on Windows. Otherwise you have to "hunt'em down" on pacakges.ubuntu.com. :)
[23:46] <markit> penguin42: I've disabled the "raid" (embedded bios) controller, and set as AHDI or whatever is called, so is "normal but advanced"
[23:47] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes, I posted in kde-devel and kubuntu.devel
[23:47] <penguin42> markit: From a livecd can you do a dmesg and get the result to a pastebin?
[23:47] <markit> in any case, fdisk  -l shows them (even if in reverse order ... /dev/sdb and then sda)
[23:47] <yofel> Oxymoron: I doubt there's something kde can do about that, rather kubuntu should install ibus by default
[23:48] <markit> penguin42: sure, hold on
[23:48] <markit> mm konversation is not in the live :(
[23:48] <Berzerker> I keep getting this error in conky
[23:48] <Berzerker> sh: /home/andrew/scripts/cpu_mhz: not found
[23:48] <t3chkommie_> greatings everyone.
[23:48] <Berzerker> even though there's a script in ~/scripts/ called cpu_mhz
[23:49] <Berzerker> it's definitely there
[23:49] <t3chkommie_> wondering how i report small bugs?
[23:49] <penguin42> Berzerker: At the top of that script does it have a #!/a/scripting/alanguage ?
[23:49] <Berzerker> ah
[23:49] <Berzerker> forgot to change it
[23:49] <Berzerker> thanks
[23:49] <penguin42> np - that error always gets people
[23:49] <Berzerker> now I'm getting a random error with a music script
[23:50] <Berzerker> is MPD something specific? or is that a general music player
[23:50] <t3chkommie_> anyone know why the beta only lets me use 2 desktops?
[23:50] <penguin42> t3chkommie_: Can have as many as you like
[23:50]  * penguin42 has 9
[23:50] <t3chkommie_> i try to set it to 4 (for the cube) and it keeps resetting to 2
[23:51] <danopia> mpd is a music player that only plays music, it has no interface, you use other programs to manage it
[23:51] <fabio333> t3chkommie_>: yes it's a bug, i know a round about
[23:52] <markit2> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/qRKY2Qtv
[23:52] <fabio333> use the applet on the panel to set 4 desktop :) your cube will show up
[23:52] <t3chkommie_> ok
[23:52] <t3chkommie_> tada!
[23:52] <t3chkommie_> genius, i hope one day to be as smart as you guys!
[23:53] <fabio333> i suppose there is something wrong with compiz
[23:53] <erik___> is it safe to disable avahi-daemon? think that might be what causes my system to freeze
[23:55] <penguin42> markit2: Odd, because that can see both drives
[23:55] <Gaming4JC> Does anyone know if there's a Bug in Gwibber with Digg accounts? Like I entered my information but I cannot even click on the new Digg icon? ...
[23:56] <markit> penguin42: exactly.. the installer scans the available driver, takes some time, but the "next" window is empty, nor "add..." or whatever works
[23:56] <markit> maybe because you have fist to select the device, and you do't have one listed
[23:56] <markit> btw, I'm booting from a usb pendrive, just in case...
[23:57] <penguin42> markit2: Now neither drive has a partition table at all according to that, but that shouldn't confuse it too much - can you cat /proc/partitions ?
[23:57] <t3chkommie_> another thing... i cant seem to find "3d windows" in compiz. is that another bug?
[23:58] <markit2> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/H2YtMjzc
[23:58] <penguin42> markit: I remember there was someone having problems installing from USB thumb but that was complaining about not finding his CD
[23:59] <penguin42> markit: OK, that looks good - look, what I'd do is take a copy of those files somewhere safe; manually create a partition table on sda using fdisk and try again; either way report a bug