[00:03]  * Red_HamsterX updates the 'about' page.
[00:04] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Red_HamsterX I hadn't gotten around to that yet
[00:07] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc has been away for a while :$
[00:07] <Red_HamsterX> I'm being nagged at to work on another project. :(
[00:07] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: Refuse!
[00:07] <Red_HamsterX> What's left to test? (Aside from "everything, for paranoia's sake")
[00:08] <Red_HamsterX> I can't. It's PyWeek and, well, it's one week.
[00:08] <Red_HamsterX> It's just GLSL.
[00:08] <Red_HamsterX> I think I can spare a few hours per day to work on that.
[00:08] <Red_HamsterX> Not at the cost of this project, though.
[00:09] <ubuntujenkins> We are waiting on bens test, I think you can spare the time we will be dealing with the bugs we get, If any :-)
[00:09] <Red_HamsterX> I'm watching irssi's status bar very closely.
[00:10] <Red_HamsterX> This channel doesn't get to stay active for more than a few seconds before I read about what's going on. :)
[00:11] <humphreybc> what's up?
[00:11] <ubuntujenkins> did it work?
[00:12]  * humphreybc had problems with nm-applet not starting after testing quickshot, pointer dying
[00:12] <humphreybc> it worked for quickshot
[00:12] <humphreybc> so it turned off nm-applet for my user
[00:12] <humphreybc> worked in quickshot, i loaded the list and took a screen
[00:12] <Red_HamsterX> Your user sucks. =P
[00:12] <humphreybc> but it didn't start nm-applet again when I went back to my user
[00:12] <humphreybc> and now for some reason my mouse pointer won't change to what I want
[00:12] <ubuntujenkins> no that was expected
[00:12] <Red_HamsterX> For the LiveCD environment, I'd consider that an acceptable loss.
[00:12] <ubuntujenkins> I am trying to get a better solution
[00:13] <ubuntujenkins> I am wondering if it is user permission releated
[00:13] <Red_HamsterX> Put a cron entry in the installer's account?
[00:13] <ubuntujenkins> the fact that the quickshot user can't see the nm-applet
[00:13] <Red_HamsterX> Every minute, if quickshot isn't logged in, try to start nm-applet.
[00:14] <Red_HamsterX> It could be a bug with nm.
[00:14] <ubuntujenkins> looking for a bug now
[00:14] <humphreybc> dutchie: what do I need to be on IRC for? why'd you ring me on skype?
[00:14] <dutchie> humphreybc: wanted to play with skype
[00:14] <humphreybc> rigiht
[00:14] <humphreybc> i've got it working now
[00:14] <dutchie> and ubuntujenkins/ Red_HamsterX seemed to want you
[00:15] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: the nm-applet use to allow mulitple users in 9.10 i am sure
[00:16] <humphreybc> compiz + cursors = loss
[00:25] <godbyk> dutchie: did the patch appear to fix our problem?
[00:25] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, where's the Quickshot bug-reporting page?
[00:25] <dutchie> godbyk: dunno
[00:25] <dutchie> still working on it
[00:26] <godbyk> gotcha
[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot
[00:27] <dutchie> bugger
[00:27] <dutchie> accidentally put bug 348335 instead of bug 348355 in
[00:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 348335 in linux "[Jaunty] Wireless not authenticating WPA-PSK (3945ABG)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348335
[00:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 348355 in firefox-3.0 "firefox config print.print_headerleft is reset every update" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/348355
[00:28] <dutchie> er, not even that
[00:28] <dutchie> bug 248335 and bug 248355
[00:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248335 in ubuntu "WG111T usb Dongle not functional in hardy (dup-of: 147203)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248335
[00:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 147203 in ubuntu "WG111T not working on Hardy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147203
[00:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248355
[00:30] <dutchie> and it's having to recompile from scratch :(
[00:31] <godbyk> nice
[00:31] <dutchie> this is not fun on a netbook
[00:33] <humphreybc> OMG I AM GOING TO MURDER COMPIZ
[00:33] <Red_HamsterX> Okay.
[00:33] <humphreybc> compiz will ONLY let me use compiz mega-large black cursor
[00:34] <godbyk> humphreybc: you mean mouse pointer? ;-)
[00:34] <humphreybc> sure
[00:34] <Red_HamsterX> Some of us don't use mice. =P
[00:34] <humphreybc> I've been changing it in appearance and restarting X but it just won't work
[00:34] <humphreybc> it's driving me crazy
[00:35] <ubuntujenkins> have you deleted the .compiz folder?
[00:36] <humphreybc> yes
[00:36] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I am tempted to remove the nm-applet lines of code. File a bug against ourselves and tell users to log out not switch users to get the network manager stuff. thoughts?
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: don't think its compiz
[00:37] <humphreybc> it's compiz
[00:37] <humphreybc> when I run metacity --replace the mouse cursor is correct
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> I don't see a problem with that, ubuntujenkins.
[00:37] <Red_HamsterX> You'll need to change the switch-users code, too, of course.
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> thats easy to do
[00:38]  * ubuntujenkins makes the change
[00:38] <ubuntujenkins> I will add a please save all of your work etc... note
[00:38] <Red_HamsterX> getquickshot page updated.
[00:39] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[00:41] <ubuntujenkins> does it make sense that if the --devel flag is used it switches user not log out?
[00:45] <humphreybc> anyone know where cursor themes are stored?
[00:45] <dutchie> ooh, nearly finished compiling
[00:46]  * ubuntujenkins feels slightly responsible for humphreybc's problem
[00:46] <humphreybc> lol
[00:46] <humphreybc> it seriously is getting annoying now
[00:46] <humphreybc> I've checked everything, uninstalled compiz, deleted the configurations
[00:47] <humphreybc> check gconf editor
[00:47] <dutchie> humphreybc: you are quite unlucky with lucid really
[00:47] <humphreybc> everything is set correctly but it JUST WONT CHANGE FROM GIGANTIC BLACK COMIX CURSOR
[00:47] <humphreybc> so now I want to replace all the comix cursor images with the cursor I want
[00:47] <dutchie> any relevant settings in ccsm?
[00:47] <humphreybc> dutchie: not in ccsm itself but there is a gconf key for cursor. It has no schema, but it's set correctly
[00:48] <dutchie> weird
[00:48] <humphreybc> where are cursor themes stored?
[00:48] <dutchie> nfi
[00:53] <humphreybc> YESS
[00:53] <humphreybc> problem solved
[00:53] <humphreybc> I just replaced all of the comix-cursors black-huge images with comix-cursors-white-small
[00:53] <humphreybc> /usr/share/icons
[00:54] <humphreybc> back to my lovely small white rounded cursor
[00:54] <humphreybc> phew
[00:54]  * humphreybc is very, very, very pedantic about cursors
[00:54]  * humphreybc will now try out quickshot on a Live CD from this point on
[00:54] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[00:57] <humphreybc> yay
[00:57] <humphreybc> dutchie, how's that bug going?
[00:57] <humphreybc> going to be fixed in time for Lucid?
[00:57] <ubuntujenkins> I have no clue what caused it
[00:57] <dutchie> if it compiles in time
[00:57] <dutchie> I have a driving lesson in 7 hours
[00:58] <humphreybc> is it going to take 7 hours to compile?
[00:58] <dutchie> if it doesn't work this time, i'm going to bed
[00:58] <dutchie> I bloody well hope it doesn't take 7 hours
[00:58] <humphreybc> lol
[00:58] <dutchie> I could do with some sleep though
[00:58] <humphreybc> sure
[01:01] <humphreybc> brb
[01:06] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: shall i up the version number from 0.0.8 to 0.1.0?
[01:06] <dutchie> aha, finished \o/
[01:08] <humphreybc> did it work?
[01:08] <dutchie> just installing the newly built packages
[01:08] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I have removed the code that was most likely to have caused your problems network manager isn't stopped any more. we log the user out not switch users
[01:08] <humphreybc> ah okay
[01:08] <humphreybc> well that's good
[01:09] <dutchie> can someone link me a copy of the manual? I can't build it here
[01:09] <dutchie> it's fixed one of the example pdfs mentioned in the bug
[01:09] <humphreybc> kk
[01:09] <humphreybc> hang on one sec
[01:10] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/main.pdf
[01:10] <humphreybc> that's the latest rev
[01:11] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc the changes to gdm login came today
[01:11] <dutchie> here goes
[01:11] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: yeah saw that
[01:11] <ubuntujenkins> I will fake a screenshot tomorrow
[01:11] <dutchie> I'll get it merged in anyway
[01:11] <humphreybc> what are we doing with notecallouts?
[01:11] <humphreybc> they've only been used in a few chapters
[01:11] <humphreybc> godbyk ^^
[01:11] <dutchie> bugger, seb128's gone
[01:11] <humphreybc> darn
[01:12] <humphreybc> dutchie: did it fix it?
[01:12] <godbyk> humphreybc: I've been replacing note callouts with marginnotes.
[01:12] <dutchie> humphreybc: seems to have done
[01:12] <humphreybc> godbyk okay
[01:12] <humphreybc> dutchie: fantastic
[01:12] <godbyk> the callouts were inconsistently used and we should just remove them entirely for now.
[01:12] <dutchie> can't remember what it looked like before tbh
[01:12] <humphreybc> find someone else in #ubuntu-desktop
[01:13] <humphreybc> see my examples on the bug report
[01:13] <humphreybc> ask jcastro if you must
[01:13] <godbyk> dutchie: it worked?
[01:13] <dutchie> http://imagebin.ca/view/mAwKC3.html
[01:14] <humphreybc> great success!!
[01:14] <ubuntujenkins> wwooo
[01:14] <humphreybc> nice work dutchie!
[01:14] <humphreybc> now, get it into lucid
[01:14] <dutchie> merge request is filed
[01:18] <godbyk> dutchie: awesome! great job!
[01:20] <godbyk> dutchie: can I subscribe to the merge request?
[01:20] <ubuntujenkins> 22 hours 40 mins till the freeze
[01:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: shut up! :)
[01:21] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: can we all subscribe?
[01:21] <dutchie> godbyk: sure
[01:21] <godbyk> manualbot should give us a countdown. :)
[01:21] <manualbot> godbyk: Error: "should" is not a valid command.
[01:21] <manualbot> godbyk: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[01:21] <godbyk> manualbot: stuff it!
[01:21] <manualbot> godbyk: Error: "stuff" is not a valid command.
[01:21] <manualbot> Factoid 'stuff it!' not found
[01:21] <dutchie> I am definitely NOT starting anything now
[01:21] <dutchie> I am going to bed
[01:21] <dutchie> goodnight
[01:21] <godbyk> dutchie: g'night!
[01:21] <ubuntujenkins> can we please have a releaser count doen?
[01:21] <humphreybc> lol
[01:21] <humphreybc> night
[01:21] <ubuntujenkins> night dutchie
[01:23]  * ubuntujenkins typing fail
[01:24] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[01:26] <Red_HamsterX> Back.
[01:26] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[02:11]  * humphreybc is zsyncing his lucid ISO, putting it on a pen drive and is going to test quickshot
[02:16] <Takyoji> So the writing freeze is in less than 24 hours?
[02:16] <humphreybc> Takyoji: correct
[02:17] <Takyoji> Does that generally imply that no further textual additions to the manual can be made thereafter?
[02:17] <humphreybc> more or less
[02:17] <humphreybc> we're just editing stuff now
[02:18] <Takyoji> ahh, alright. I just thought there were some parts that were incomplete still
[02:18] <humphreybc> anything that's incomplete is probably going to be removed if it hasn't already
[02:30] <humphreybc> bollocks
[02:31] <humphreybc> I have to re download the ISO
[02:31] <humphreybc> it's going to take ages too
[02:31] <daker> humphreybc, quickshot doesn' work for Karmic ?
[02:31] <humphreybc> daker: no, it's not meant to
[02:31] <humphreybc> we don't want screenshots from karmic in the manual ;)
[02:31] <daker> oki
[02:32] <daker> i now just to give it a test
[02:32] <daker> know*
[02:32] <humphreybc> have you got a Lucid Live CD?
[02:33] <daker> I downloaded the iso the beta 1
[02:33] <humphreybc> okay, you can put that on a USB drive
[02:33] <humphreybc> then run quickshot on that
[02:33] <daker> sure
[02:55] <daker> godbyk, check your email
[02:56] <godbyk> k
[02:57] <godbyk> yeah, it looks good in adobe acrobat reader.
[02:57] <daker> yes
[02:57] <godbyk> hopefully we can get dutchie's evince patch into lucid.
[02:57] <daker> hopefully :)
[03:00] <humphreybc> sounds like we will be able to
[03:26]  * humphreybc thinks the channel is a bit quiet considering we're so close to beta
[03:28] <godbyk> I'd suggestion that everyone's busy editing, but I'm not seeing any commits, either. :)
[03:53] <daker> humphreybc, should i add the Quickshot page in the website ?
[04:17] <humphreybc> daker: yeah that'd be cool
[04:18] <daker> oki where ?
[04:23] <humphreybc> um
[04:23] <humphreybc>  /quickshot?
[04:23] <humphreybc> and put in a link from the main nav bar
[04:24] <daker> after About this Project ? or  Get Involved ?
[04:24] <humphreybc> Change "About this project" to simply "About"
[04:25] <humphreybc> and then put Quickshot in between "Get Involved" and "Contributors
[04:25] <daker> kk
[04:25] <humphreybc> You'll need to put it both in daker and daker-test
[04:25] <daker> kk
[04:29] <daker> the content is the same as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/a
[04:29] <daker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/
[04:29] <daker> ?
[04:45] <humphreybc> sort of
[04:45] <humphreybc> we need more of a summary page
[04:45] <humphreybc> do you want me to make a mockup in photoshop?
[04:46] <daker> if you want
[04:46] <humphreybc> okay, it'll take me about 20 minutes
[04:46] <daker> no problemo
[04:46] <humphreybc> meanwhile, you should work on making the buttons glow when you roll over them :P
[04:47] <daker> sure
[05:20] <humphreybc> daker, something like this: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot.png
[05:21] <daker> nice
[05:21] <humphreybc> :)
[05:21] <humphreybc> that's a rough job
[05:21] <humphreybc> so I expect your one to be prettier :P
[05:22] <daker> can you put the text in a text file ?
[05:22] <humphreybc> sure
[05:25] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-website-text.txt
[05:26] <daker> thanks
[05:26] <humphreybc> no worries. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with :P
[05:26] <daker> :)
[05:26] <humphreybc> I'll make you a better main image
[05:36] <humphreybc> daker:
[05:36] <daker> yep
[05:36] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-reflection.png
[05:36] <humphreybc> you may have to resize it a wee bit
[05:37] <daker> yes
[05:37] <humphreybc> does that look okay?
[05:37] <daker> everything is oky
[05:39] <humphreybc> daker: I've pushed the new files in the branch too
[05:45] <daker> pull it
[05:45] <humphreybc> daker, also, some of the font sizes and spacing here are a bit funky
[05:45] <humphreybc> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[05:46] <humphreybc> like the bullet point font seems to be bigger than the other text
[05:46] <humphreybc> and you might need to find another colour for the translators, because it's quite close to the yellow used in the editor button
[05:47] <humphreybc> make it more orangy perhaps
[05:47] <daker> kk
[05:47] <humphreybc> :)
[05:47] <humphreybc> hey I like it how the button actually depresses when you click it on the get involved page, that's neat
[05:49] <daker> trying to improve them
[05:49] <humphreybc> :)
[05:49] <humphreybc> it's looking great daker
[05:49] <humphreybc> really awesome
[05:49] <daker> thanks
[05:52] <humphreybc> yay Lucid has downloaded
[05:56] <humphreybc> now i just have to put it on my pen drive and I can start testing quickshot
[06:00] <daker>  the bullet point font is the same as the text font
[06:00] <daker> the size too
[06:00] <humphreybc> really?
[06:00] <humphreybc> it looks weird in Chrome
[06:00] <daker> try in FF
[06:00] <humphreybc> okay
[06:03] <daker> oh ye ye you are right
[06:03] <humphreybc> still looks different in FF
[06:04] <humphreybc> also, the instructions here need better spacing
[06:04] <humphreybc> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[06:04] <daker> it's 5:04 i'll go to bed
[06:04] <humphreybc> btw, the rollover buttons don't work in Chrome, but they do on FF
[06:05] <humphreybc> daker: hehe fair enough :)
[06:05] <humphreybc> talk to you later! have a good sleep
[06:06] <daker> so made a TODOLIST of what i have to fix in the website for tomorrow
[06:06] <daker> make
[06:06] <humphreybc> :)
[06:15]  * humphreybc is going to do some hardcore quickshot testing
[06:15] <humphreybc> be back later
[06:28] <humphreybc> well that was a short test
[06:29] <IlyaHaykinson> what was?
[06:29] <humphreybc> couldn't install the quickshot .deb, got an "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python-pybabel"
[06:29] <humphreybc> I just tried to test it on a Lucid Live CD on a USB pen drive
[06:29] <humphreybc> daily build of Lucid from today
[06:29] <humphreybc> so I tried to add the PPA
[06:30] <humphreybc> but then I got an error about there being no amd64 package
[06:30] <IlyaHaykinson> ah
[06:31] <humphreybc> ya
[06:34] <IlyaHaykinson> what's the shortcut for GB?
[06:34] <IlyaHaykinson> \giga\byte?
[06:34] <humphreybc> no
[06:34] <humphreybc> now it's just \acronym{GB}
[06:34] <humphreybc> I think
[06:34] <IlyaHaykinson> ah ok
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i'll check the system requirements
[06:35] <humphreybc> yeah
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson> in the installation chapter
[06:35] <humphreybc> godbyk has done those I think
[06:35] <humphreybc> (updated them)(
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson> got it
[06:52] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: you're on lucid now?
[06:53] <IlyaHaykinson> can you check if the theme name is Ambiance (correctly spelled) or Ambience (as is in the docs, and incorrect)?
[06:53] <IlyaHaykinson> not in the docs, in the manual
[06:57] <godbyk> What've I done?
[06:58] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: It should be ``Ambiance''
[06:58] <godbyk> (i.e., spelled correctly.)
[06:58] <godbyk> I think I fixed it in a place or two that I noticed it. But I haven't done an exhaustive search.
[06:59] <godbyk> Sounds like a candidate for the proofread.py script, though.
[07:00] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, fixing.
[07:00] <IlyaHaykinson> and adding to script
[07:02] <humphreybc> neat
[07:02]  * humphreybc has been reporting bugs for Quickshot
[07:02] <IlyaHaykinson> heh! nice spelling error: "proproetary"
[07:02] <humphreybc> haha
[07:02] <humphreybc> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot
[07:06] <humphreybc> right i'm off to grab some tea
[07:41] <Red_HamsterX> Ten bugs already, humphreybc?
[07:41] <Red_HamsterX> You don't want me to sleep, do you?
[07:50] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, so the spellchecking script helped
[08:03] <Red_HamsterX> I've gone through the reports. I'll handle what I can after waking up. Fixes for some stuff have been committed.
[08:11] <IlyaHaykinson> alright, i think that last commit was my last before the freeze
[08:46] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: saw those, thanks. I'm just watching a boxing match... be back on later :)
[08:46] <humphreybc> and yes I do mean py-babel
[08:56] <ubuntujenkins> soory for disappearing randomly Red_HamsterX my laptop over heated, once it had cooled i couldn't get a internet connection back with out waking the whole house
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> whats left to do?
[09:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: has filed loads of bugs, bug mail spam
[09:02] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: which ppa did you try on the live cd?
[09:20] <jaminday> Hi all - about to do some more work on chapter 5. Is anyone else scratching around in there at the moment?
[09:25] <godbyk> jaminday: I think you're clear, jaminday
[09:26] <jaminday> no worries. Conflicts are not fun is all.
[09:26] <godbyk> I'm going to hit up chapters 6 and 7 with some minor editing.  There are some bigger edits that need to be made, but this close to the deadline, I may push them off 'til the second edition.
[09:27] <jaminday> Yeah good idea.
[09:29] <godbyk> I'm resigned to coming out with a second edition to make all the corrections, edits, and additions that we didn't have time to squeeze into this initial release.
[09:30] <godbyk> Btw, you're welcome to leave the \todo commands in there.  I can turn them all off with a single switch.
[09:30] <jaminday> Yeah I agree. I'm a bit of a perfectionist by nature so it pains me not to have time to fix/add/edit everything!
[09:30] <godbyk> Same here.  It's really frustrating.
[09:31] <jaminday> ok great. That might be useful when it comes to 2nd edition work.
[09:32] <jaminday> yes it is! But there is only so much time in a day, and we have achieved a lot in a few months. With double the prep time for the next release, and half the content already written, I think we will be much happier by the end!
[09:33] <godbyk> Agreed.  I'm looking forward to a 10.10 release.
[09:33] <godbyk> I'm kind of framing this 10.04 release as a 'first draft' in my mind.
[09:33] <godbyk> (Though I *hate* writing drafts and despise even more making them public!)
[09:34] <jaminday> yep same here. Hopefully the end-users will be a little understanding!
[09:34] <godbyk> We've learned a lot about the process so far, too, and there are some things we can improve for our next cycle.
[09:34] <godbyk> Hopefully humphreybc hasn't talked it up too much. :-)
[09:34] <jaminday> hehe well we are shot there!
[09:34] <jaminday> ;)
[09:35] <jaminday> (humphreybc - if you are listening, we still think you're cool)
[09:35] <godbyk> ...mostly.
[09:35] <godbyk> ;-)
[09:35] <jaminday> hehe
[09:35] <godbyk> meho_r does a great job with these edits.  Have you seen them, jaminday?
[09:36] <jaminday> yeah i've seen some of the diff's from some revisions you pushed with his edits
[09:37] <jaminday> lots of good changes
[09:38] <jaminday> godbyk: humphreybc posted earlier that josh holland fixed the evince anti-aliasing problem?
[09:38] <godbyk> They're even better when you read the annotated PDFs.. lots of insightful comments. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/171954/Ubuntu/Ubuntu-Manual-ch-6-7.pdf
[09:38] <godbyk> jaminday: It seems that way.
[09:38] <godbyk> He's requested it be merged in for Lucid.
[09:38] <godbyk> We're supposed to hear back more tomorrow.
[09:38] <godbyk> If it works out, that will make me very happy.
[09:39] <godbyk> It would be disappointing to push out our PDF and have it look crappy in the default PDF viewer.
[09:39] <jaminday> yeah definitely
[09:39] <jaminday> i think i will virtua-hug josh if the fix makes it in!
[09:40] <godbyk> If the fix doesn't get merged for Lucid, I may scale the screenshots before putting them in the PDF so evince doesn't have to scale them.  The printable version can have the full-res images and the on-screen version can have the lower-res images.
[09:40] <godbyk> But I'm not even sure that'd solve the problem.
[09:40] <godbyk> Group hug!
[09:40] <jaminday> hehe
[09:40] <jaminday> godbyk: that pdf you sent me is funny
[09:40] <godbyk> Also, I'm super-impressed with the quickshot dev work.
[09:41] <godbyk> jaminday: you have to view it with adobe acrobat reader.
[09:41] <godbyk> evince sucks.. again.
[09:41] <jaminday> ah, that explains it
[09:41] <godbyk> I think our default response to all complaints should now be 'evince sucks.'
[09:41] <jaminday> hehe
[09:42] <godbyk> "Hey, you misspelled 'Ubuntu'."
[09:42] <godbyk> Evince sucks.
[09:42] <jaminday> lol
[09:42] <jaminday> on that note, i'm about to have some dinner. Will be back in about an hour!
[09:43] <meho_r> Hi there :)
[09:43] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I will you be awake in about 4 hours time? I plan to get the cd done by then
[09:43] <godbyk> See ya, jaminday.
[09:43] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'll probably be heading to bed around then.
[09:44] <godbyk> Could it hold off for another 6-8 hours after that?  Or will that be too late?
[09:44] <ubuntujenkins> I will see if i can get it done earlier, Just need a quick chat with Red_HamsterX
[09:44] <godbyk> 'kay.  Get all the bugs worked out?
[09:45] <ubuntujenkins> all the important ones yes but waiting for a response form humphreybc on some of them
[09:45] <godbyk> We've got what, about 15 hours 'til pencils down?
[09:45] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[09:45] <ubuntujenkins> loads of time
[09:46] <godbyk> Some of the screenshots -- the really tiny ones -- like the window control buttons -- we were going to retake those and set them up to take a shot of the whole title bar + some (for context).
[09:46] <godbyk> Did that get done?
[09:46] <godbyk> Or is that pushed off 'til another edition?
[09:47] <ubuntujenkins> I wasn't aware of that, how much of the title bar are we talking?
[09:47] <thorwil> godbyk: i don't see how scaling the images before putting them into the pdf could help. whenever the resolution of the bitmaps does not match the resolution of the current zoom, evince will do its horrible deed
[09:47] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: It can be added in a flash just update the sever code
[09:47] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I don't know if it was ever finalized.  But basically we want enough to be able to see where the control buttons are in relation to the rest of the window (i.e., top left).
[09:48] <godbyk> thorwil: ah, figures.  Evince sucks! :-)
[09:48] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: with or with out the file , edit etc
[09:49] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: If it doesn't look too cluttered, we can try it with the menu bar.  Maybe even a few pixels below that, too.  I dunno. :)
[09:49] <godbyk> They just look weird as it is now.  there's no context, so you don't know where to find these control buttons.
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> also I assume you also mean the network icon and help icon?
[09:52] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yep!
[09:53] <dutchie> godbyk: I don't think there's a "may" - this patch will probably get uploaded today
[09:53] <godbyk> dutchie: awesome!
[09:53] <godbyk> dutchie: I'm editing the command line chapter: did we settle the bash/dash thing? Or should I leave that for the next edition?
[09:54] <dutchie> /bin/sh is dash, but the default shell for new users is bash
[09:55] <godbyk> Okay. I'll leave it as bash then.
[09:55] <godbyk> (btw, the whole symlinking sh to dash has bitten me on more than one occasion!)
[09:56] <dutchie> I don't think it matters unless you start doing some reasonably complex shell scripting, which we're not going to cover
[09:56] <godbyk> Is bash spelled bash, Bash, or BASH?
[09:56] <godbyk> I know it's an acronym.
[09:57] <godbyk> Wikipedia spells it Bash, apparently.
[09:57] <godbyk> Anyone know what the official spelling is?
[09:57] <dutchie> I'd go bash
[09:57] <dutchie> definitely not BASH
[09:57] <godbyk> 'kay.
[09:57] <dutchie> the man page switches between Bash and bash
[09:57] <nisshh> weeeeeeee!
[09:57] <nisshh> glossary time
[09:57] <dutchie> seems to be bash unless it starts a sentence
[09:58] <godbyk> fair enough.
[09:59] <godbyk> While everyone's here, I'll open the floor to suggestions and complaints as to the formatting of the GUI elements, application names, etc.
[09:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: we should be able to get those sorted
[10:00] <godbyk> I think there may be too much bold going on for one.  But with all the ad hoc formatting that's been taking place (a lot of which will not be fixed until after a style guide is written and a second edition is produced), it's all a bit messy.  Reminds me of a family newsletter.
[10:01] <nisshh> humphreybc: i wont be able to make it to the meeting either
[10:27]  * ubuntujenkins hopes the updates don't over fill the live cd
[10:37] <godbyk> Chapter 6 is a mess and now has mixed usage of apt-get and aptitude.
[10:37] <godbyk> I'll push some of my edits and then someone else can look at it.
[10:38] <nisshh> godbyk: do you want me to fix it, it is my chapter after all
[10:38] <godbyk> nisshh: Sure. Give me just a second to push the edits I've made, then it's all yours.
[10:39] <godbyk> okay, nisshh, I've pushed my changes.
[10:39] <godbyk> have at it!
[10:39] <godbyk> I'm on to chapter 7 now.
[10:40] <nisshh> godbyk: cool, ill just finish adding an entry to the glossary
[10:42] <godbyk> "open source software" or "open-source software"?  Also, what's the story on capitalization of "open source"?
[10:42] <godbyk> I think it should be hyphenated as an adjective and probably lowercase.
[10:42] <godbyk> brb
[10:44] <nisshh> no-one edit chapter 6, im fixing the apt section
[10:44] <jaminday> godbyk: +1 for too much bold
[10:45] <jaminday> nisshh: no probs - i'm doing 5 now
[10:47] <nisshh> ok, pushing now
[10:53] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: what about these two screenshots http://imagebin.org/90995 http://imagebin.org/90996 ( I will make the window active)
[10:55] <nisshh> godbyk: what should i use instead of aptitude safe-upgrade?
[10:56] <godbyk> back now
[10:56] <godbyk> jaminday: I think I might drop the bold application names. They're capitalized anyway.
[10:57] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I like those!
[10:57] <godbyk> we'll have to make sure we explain in the text (and caption) what to look for (window controls buttons in upper left and blue help icon)
[10:58] <godbyk> whoops.. hit Ctrl+W when the wrong window had focus
[10:58] <ubuntujenkins> do we want to split the network and help icons sperate screenshots cut the panel in half?
[10:59] <godbyk> if they're talked about at different points in the manual, we could just slice the panel up.
[10:59] <godbyk> that way there's less clutter.
[10:59] <godbyk> then again, maybe the full panel will be helpful for wayfinding.
[10:59] <nisshh> rev 700!
[10:59] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/700 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 700
[10:59] <godbyk> I'm not sure.
[10:59] <godbyk> nisshh: nice!
[11:00] <nisshh> godbyk: yea! i fixed ch6 too, you should go over it to see if i missed anything though
[11:00] <ubuntujenkins> I can upload the panel and windows into branch and someone can add them in.
[11:01] <godbyk> nisshh: 'kay. I'll do that when I'm done with ch7. thanks!
[11:01] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: sounds like a plan.
[11:03] <nisshh> godbyk: can you also have a look at the glossary in the pdf, some of the spacing is munted
[11:03] <nisshh> godbyk: when your ready
[11:04] <godbyk> nisshh: yep, will do!
[11:04] <ubuntujenkins> pushed rev 701 once you have decided how you want them we will add them to quickshot
[11:04] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/701 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 701
[11:14] <godbyk> okay, building the manual.
[11:14] <godbyk> then I'll tackle the TODO items you guys just gave me.
[11:16] <godbyk> The manual is 170 pages now.
[11:17] <godbyk> nisshh: margin note on page 131 has aptitude in it.
[11:18] <jaminday> godbyk: when talking about Software Sources is this a \window or \application
[11:18] <godbyk> nisshh: what did you want me to look at in the glossary?
[11:18] <godbyk> (aside from the extra periods that it inserts. I'll fix that later.)
[11:19] <godbyk> jaminday: good question.  probably depends on the context.  if you're referring to the window, use \window. if you're referring to the app, use \application.
[11:19] <nisshh> the spacing is munted, look at the glossary page in the pdf
[11:19] <godbyk> nisshh: munted?
[11:20] <nisshh> hang on
[11:20] <jaminday> godbyk: ok
[11:20] <nisshh> godbyk: some entries in the pdf have blank lines between them and some dont
[11:20] <godbyk> nisshh: ah. there are blank lines before entries that start with a new letter.
[11:20] <godbyk> so the entries are grouped by the letter they begin with.
[11:21] <nisshh> godbyk: right
[11:21] <nisshh> godbyk: is that how you want it left?
[11:21] <godbyk> nisshh: I haven't decided yet. That was just the default glossary style. I'll have to see what other styles are available (or if I can make my own easily).
[11:22] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: do I need to do anything with the new screenshots you uploaded?
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> can you add them in the right places please, I am doing quickshot stuff
[11:22] <nisshh> godbyk: ok, ill leave it with you
[11:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: sure thing. thanks!
[11:23] <godbyk> nisshh: fair enough. :)
[11:23] <ubuntujenkins> Thanks godbyk
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> EVERYONE Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in 14 minutes.
[11:47] <godbyk> yippee
[11:47] <godbyk> does that mean bzr goes down too?
[11:47] <ubuntujenkins> no clue just what me need
[11:47] <ubuntujenkins> *we
[11:47] <godbyk> no doubt
[11:48] <godbyk> final hours before freeze and the whole system goes offline. :)
[11:49] <godbyk> the manual takes so long to compile.. ugh!
[11:49] <ubuntujenkins> http://identi.ca/launchpadstatus
[11:49] <ubuntujenkins> we have to wait about an hour
[11:51] <nisshh> ok
[11:52] <godbyk> well, I pushed my changes.
[11:56] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk what are we doing about the network icon? I see the help screenshot  has changed
[11:56] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm not sure yet.
[11:56] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[11:56] <godbyk> I would've used the full panel, but I didn't have an easy way to describe the network icon's location. :)
[11:56] <godbyk> so it may remain as is for now and we'll deal with it later.
[11:57]  * godbyk is pushing more and more stuff off to the second edition. :)
[11:57] <jaminday> godbyk: perhaps in the second edition we should come up with a funky way to highlight/point out certain areas of screenshots
[11:57] <godbyk> Running a second edition if kind of a steam valve for my stress levels. :)
[11:57] <ubuntujenkins> thats fine jsut making sure i know which ones to change
[11:57] <godbyk> yeah, I think using arrows and the like would be nice.
[11:57] <godbyk> maybe we can build that in to quickshot, too.
[11:57] <nisshh> godbyk: is there a second edition for the 10.04 manual?
[11:57] <nisshh> or going to be?
[11:58] <godbyk> nisshh: I think there will be.
[11:58] <jaminday> yeah - i'm sure our design guys could come up with an interesting way
[11:58] <nisshh> cool
[11:58] <jaminday> nisshh: i think humphreybc was against the idea though
[11:58] <godbyk> At least that's what I'm telling myself. ;-)
[11:58] <godbyk> There are certainly down-sides to it.
[11:58] <nisshh> jaminday: i am too, it means everyone will have to download a new copy once it comes out
[11:59] <godbyk> You have to edit and maintain two branches in parallel then.
[11:59] <godbyk> Translators may freak.
[11:59] <nisshh> godbyk: exactly twice the work
[11:59] <nisshh> i think its a really bad idea to have a second edition
[12:00] <nisshh> it should be either this release or next release
[12:00] <nisshh> nothing in between
[12:00] <jaminday> godbyk: perhaps we could make our own special 2nd edition just to satisfy you and I  ;)
[12:00] <godbyk> jaminday: Ha! There we go.
[12:00] <godbyk> The jaminday and godbyk Special Edition.
[12:00] <jaminday> hehe
[12:01] <jaminday> signed special edition
[12:01] <nisshh> pfffff, you two are full of it lol
[12:01] <godbyk> jaminday: if you pull the latest revisions, I removed the bold from the application names. I think that helps quite a bit. what do you think?
[12:01] <jaminday> nisshh: lol
[12:01] <jaminday> godbyk: will i be able to pull if lp is down for maintenance?
[12:01] <godbyk> jaminday: not sure. you can try.
[12:02] <jaminday> ok - backing up first just in case i break the internet!
[12:02] <godbyk> good idea
[12:04] <jaminday> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/bzr_crapping_itself.png
[12:04] <ubuntujenkins> nice :-)
[12:06] <nisshh> godbyk: im getting errors again
[12:06] <godbyk> nisshh: what errors now?
[12:07] <nisshh> godbyk: it says during make: (./frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex)
[12:07] <nisshh> ! Incomplete \iffalse; all text was ignored after line 31.
[12:07] <nisshh> <inserted text>
[12:07] <nisshh>                 \fi
[12:07] <nisshh> l.8 \input{frontmatter/glossary-entries}
[12:07] <manualbot> nisshh: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[12:07] <jaminday> manualbot: pffft...
[12:07] <manualbot> jaminday: Error: "pffft..." is not a valid command.
[12:07] <manualbot> Factoid 'pffft...' not found
[12:08] <godbyk> nisshh: Hmm.. the error msg is useless.  Check to make sure you have matching {braces} everywhere in the frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex file.
[12:10] <nisshh> omfg
[12:10] <nisshh> finally
[12:10] <nisshh> sorry about that godbyk
[12:10] <godbyk> figure it out?
[12:10] <nisshh> my ethernet got unplugged by my sister
[12:11] <godbyk> heh.. nice!
[12:11] <nisshh> lol, not
[12:11] <nisshh> anyway, im getting the error i just posted during make
[12:11] <godbyk> nisshh: Hmm.. the error msg is useless.  Check to make sure you have matching {braces} everywhere in the frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex file.
[12:12] <nisshh> ok
[12:14] <jaminday> Does anyone know... should open source always be written Open Source ??
[12:15] <godbyk> jaminday: I was asking about that earlier.
[12:15] <godbyk> I ended up going with "open source" and "open-source"
[12:15] <jaminday> hmmm... hang on a sec
[12:15] <godbyk> (the latter as an adjective, e.g., open-source software)
[12:15] <godbyk> if you find a definitive solution, you should fix it everywhere. :-)
[12:16] <jaminday> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/Software%20Sources_005.png
[12:16] <nisshh> godbyk: cant find anything wrong with the brackets
[12:16] <jaminday> From this it looks like it's "Software Sources"
[12:16] <jaminday> ah sorry "Open Source"
[12:16] <godbyk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software
[12:17] <jaminday> hmm.. seems to be conflicting versions everywhere
[12:17] <godbyk> jaminday: but "they would make the use of open source software" from http://opensource.org/statements/bbc-drm
[12:17] <godbyk> yeah.
[12:17] <godbyk> it's pretty messy.
[12:18] <godbyk> I vote for lowercase.
[12:18] <jaminday> yeah lowercase
[12:18] <godbyk> And hyphenated when used as an adjective, open when as a noun.
[12:18] <jaminday> if there is no hard and fast rule, that will look better
[12:18] <jaminday> yep sounds good
[12:18] <godbyk> "I like open source.  Do you like open-source software?"
[12:19] <jaminday> "I like tomato sauce. Do you like tomato-sauce donuts?"
[12:19] <jaminday> works there too
[12:19] <godbyk> lol. yep.
[12:19]  * ubuntujenkins why did they choose today to update the language packs
[12:19] <godbyk> why did they choose today to kill launchpad? :)
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> true :D
[12:20] <godbyk> jaminday: we'll have to sit down at some point (when things quiet down slightly) and work on a style guide.
[12:20] <jaminday> yes definitely
[12:20] <godbyk> the inconsistencies in the manual drive my bonkers.
[12:20] <jaminday> hehe agreed
[12:20] <nisshh> godbyk: have no idea what could be wrong
[12:21] <godbyk> nisshh: pastebin the glossary-entries.tex file and I'll take a look and try it here.
[12:21] <nisshh> godbyk: i triple checked all the syntax
[12:21] <nisshh> ok hang on
[12:21] <godbyk> nisshh: also, what's 'bzr revno' say?  (just so I know my version is in the same ballpark.
[12:22] <godbyk> oh, great.
[12:22] <godbyk> my auto-update cronjob on the website is gonna email me every n minutes because bzr is offline.
[12:22] <godbyk> lovely.
[12:22] <nisshh> bzr revno = 700
[12:23] <jaminday> nisshh: btw - is there a glossary entry for 'proprietary'?
[12:23] <nisshh> http://pastebin.com/h4jgvPRF
[12:23] <nisshh> not yet
[12:23] <godbyk> as in 'proprietary software'?
[12:23] <nisshh> im still in the process of adding some
[12:23] <nisshh> i only just finished adding yours
[12:23] <jaminday> godbyk: yep - but referring to proprietary drivers
[12:24] <jaminday> from software sources
[12:24] <nisshh> jaminday: ill add one in once i get this issue resolved
[12:24] <jaminday> Ok. I won't put any \gls commands on it then - i'll leave it for you when your ready.
[12:25] <nisshh> jaminday: thanks
[12:25] <nisshh> godbyk: can you have a look and get back to me in a little while, its dinner time for me
[12:25] <nisshh> be back in a little while
[12:26] <godbyk> nisshh: found it
[12:26] <godbyk> nisshh: line 31
[12:26] <godbyk> the dialup entry
[12:26] <godbyk> you forgot the = after description
[12:26] <godbyk> description={%
[12:27] <daker> hi @all
[12:27] <godbyk> hey, daker
[12:27] <jaminday> evenin' daker
[12:27] <godbyk> launchpad and bzr are down for a bit.
[12:27] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[12:27] <daker> that's what i thought
[12:29] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[12:29] <daker> the page is not yet completed
[12:29] <godbyk> well, since launchpad is down, I think I'll go get some sleep so I can wake up earlier and fix a few final things before the freeze.
[12:30] <nisshh> godbyk: thanks, ill fix it now and push when lp comes online
[12:30] <godbyk> only what, 12 hours remaining?
[12:30] <jaminday> night godbyk
[12:30] <godbyk> nisshh: sounds good.
[12:30] <ubuntujenkins> thats great daker I will hopefully have the donwload info for the cd late tonight
[12:30] <jaminday> yeah not long
[12:30] <godbyk> I think when we freeze, we should do a branch so people can continue to work without breaking stride.
[12:30] <daker> ubuntujenkins, here is hte mockup http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot.png
[12:31] <jaminday> godbyk - i'll finish what i can on chap 5, but I only got about 2 hrs left. If you get a chance you might want to review it for anything i've missed.
[12:31] <godbyk> but I'll let someone smarter than me figure out how to do all that.
[12:31] <godbyk> jaminday: will do.
[12:31] <jaminday> As i won't get another chance before writing freeze
[12:31] <jaminday> godbyk: cheers
[12:31] <godbyk> just ping me here and let me know what specific areas to look at or what to be on the watch for.
[12:31] <jaminday> godbyk: no problem
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> daker: absolutely spot on I LOVE it
[12:31] <jaminday> thanks for everything
[12:32] <godbyk> daker: maybe add a little extra padding between the links at the top.
[12:33] <godbyk> I'm off!
[12:33] <ubuntujenkins> o/ godbyk
[12:33] <daker> o.O
[12:33] <daker> godbyk, on the navbar ?
[12:33] <godbyk> daker: yeah.
[12:33] <daker> oki
[12:33] <godbyk> add some space between the links.  they're kind of running together a bit.
[12:34] <daker> your in FF or Chrome ?
[12:34] <daker> are*
[12:37] <daker> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mac1062_ubuntu1004&num=1
[12:41]  * jaminday is using zsync for the first time to update his lucid iso
[12:45] <humphreybc> hi, sorry guys, ended up drinking a few beers, watching the boxing and then apocolypse now
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc can we address some of your bugs please
[12:46] <daker> humphreybc, :)
[12:46] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: sure
[12:46] <humphreybc> hey daker
[12:46] <dutchie> I have never seen apocalypse now sober
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> bug #552336
[12:46] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/552336)
[12:47] <daker> hhh
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/552336
[12:47] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 552336 in quickshot "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: python-pylabel on Lucid LiveCD" [Low,New]
[12:47] <humphreybc> ah yes
[12:47] <humphreybc> it should be py-babel
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> did you enable universe?
[12:47] <humphreybc> maybe not
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> its in universe, and its python-pybabel
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/552337
[12:48] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 552337 in quickshot "PPA doesn't work with amd64 Lucid LiveCD USB pen drive" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> which ppa were you using release or daily?
[12:48] <humphreybc> uh
[12:48] <humphreybc> there are two?
[12:48] <humphreybc> I used the one on the getquickshot wiki
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> right that bug is also invalid then, there is no package in the release one yet. the daily is the only one that has a package in
[12:49] <humphreybc> ahh
[12:49] <humphreybc> that would explain that then
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> the release one is for releases only daily for testing
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> I have assigned you to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/552338 you did the logo :P
[12:50] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 552338 in quickshot "Quickshot menu icon is blurry" [Low,New]
[12:50] <humphreybc> yup
[12:50] <humphreybc> I see that
[12:50] <humphreybc> what size does it have to be? and any particular format?
[12:51] <humphreybc> godbyk, jaminday, I just read that email from Bryan for the FMC interview. I may as well take it seeing as I'm doing the UK one too?
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> I have no idea svg maybe the proplem also occurs in awn
[12:52] <humphreybc> why is my bzr not working
[12:52] <humphreybc> has launchpad taken down bzr too?
[12:52] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[12:52] <humphreybc> bollocks
[12:52] <ubuntujenkins> actually all the icosn seam  to be in png
[12:52] <jaminday> humphreybc: yep, that's fine with me!
[12:53] <jaminday> godbyk has gone to bed
[12:53] <humphreybc> okay
[12:53] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: what sizes?
[12:53] <humphreybc> have all of the UMP bugs targeted to beta been fixed on launchpad?
[12:54] <jaminday> humphreybc: i don't know. I was going to take a look at that tonight but think i'll run out of time.
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: try 48x48
[12:55] <humphreybc> jaminday: don't worry i'll have a look
[12:55] <jaminday> ok
[12:55] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: not sure it is the size, but i don't know what else it could be
[12:57] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-icon48.png
[12:58] <humphreybc> will that work?
[12:59] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I will have a play
[12:59] <humphreybc> neat
[13:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I think that fixes the menu one replace yours and see what you think
[13:00] <humphreybc> okay, where's it stored?
[13:01]  * humphreybc wants to mark bugs as fixed but can't because of launchpad
[13:01] <donri> humphreybc, should use the 10.04 background
[13:01] <donri> like the new desktop icon
[13:01] <humphreybc> oh right
[13:01] <humphreybc> um
[13:02] <humphreybc> i'll see if I have the source lying around somewhere
[13:02] <donri> or maybe simply use the desktop icon
[13:05] <humphreybc> I don't have the original source. I'll make a new icon some other time
[13:06] <daker> i want a bugg icon pls (if you can)
[13:06] <humphreybc> somehow we're going to have to figure out how to freeze the main 10.04 branch for 1st edition and then create a new branch for 10.04 second edition
[13:06] <humphreybc> daker: what for?
[13:07] <daker> for the "File a Bug" Button
[13:08] <humphreybc> okay i should be able to do that
[13:08] <humphreybc> daker, let me resize the quickshot reflection image for you properly
[13:08] <humphreybc> the one on the website at the moment looks crappy
[13:08] <daker> oki
[13:08] <humphreybc> I'll resize it from source
[13:09] <humphreybc> how wide is it?
[13:09] <ubuntujenkins> daker have you done a "Download" button?
[13:09] <daker> for what ?
[13:09] <daker> Quickshot ?
[13:10] <ubuntujenkins> the auickshot wiki
[13:10] <ubuntujenkins> *quickshot
[13:11] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the icon also fixed awn
[13:11] <daker> Width: 438 pixels
[13:11] <daker> Height : 333 pixels
[13:11] <daker> i'll send them to ubuntujenkins
[13:12] <humphreybc> daker:
[13:12] <humphreybc> this looks nicer
[13:12] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-reflection.png1
[13:12] <ubuntujenkins> thanks daker
[13:12] <humphreybc> wait
[13:12] <humphreybc> without the 1
[13:12] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-reflection.png
[13:12] <daker> nice
[13:12] <humphreybc> stupid copy and paste in pidgin is broken
[13:13] <humphreybc> so daker you need a bug icon? what size? colours?
[13:13] <daker> 24*24 should be great
[13:15] <daker> ubuntujenkins, send it
[13:15] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/bug-24.png
[13:15] <daker> hhhh nice
[13:15] <ubuntujenkins> thanks daker
[13:16] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: where's the icon for quickshot so i can replace it?
[13:16] <ubuntujenkins> I am checking it now
[13:16] <humphreybc> kk
[13:17] <humphreybc> launchpad is down till 1300 UTC
[13:17] <humphreybc> so should be back up in 40 minutes
[13:18] <humphreybc> also daker, that "Taking screenshots has never been easier" phrase on the Quickshot page needs to be really, really transparent
[13:18] <humphreybc> (so make it a colour very close to white)
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: if you replace /usr/share/quickshot/media/icon.png
[13:19]  * ubuntujenkins food time whilst launchpad is down
[13:20] <humphreybc> much better
[13:21] <daker> humphreybc, yes
[13:22] <humphreybc> also daker, on the bottom of the "About" page under the heading "Interested?" the link should go to "Get Involved", not the wiki
[13:24]  * humphreybc still needs mugshots of people
[13:27] <daker> humphreybc, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/contributions ?
[13:27] <humphreybc> yeah we don't want it pointing there
[13:27] <humphreybc> we want to direct people to ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[13:28] <humphreybc> (keep it on our website, we're moving away from the wiki)
[13:28] <daker> oki
[13:30] <humphreybc> also daker, what do you think of that aqua colour for links?
[13:31] <humphreybc> the blue/green colour
[13:31] <humphreybc> I think it works rather well with the gray font and white background
[13:31] <nisshh> humphreybc: i cant make it to the meeting this weekend
[13:31] <humphreybc> nisshh: don't fret, neither can I
[13:32] <nisshh> ok
[13:32] <daker> humphreybc, i don't know :)
[13:32] <humphreybc> :P
[13:32] <humphreybc> you've got a CSS class with a hyperlink colour defined right?
[13:33] <jaminday> humphreybc: should we cancel the meeting this weekend? it is easter long weekend after all - probably many people away?
[13:33] <jaminday> Don't think i'll be around either
[13:33] <nisshh> holy moly
[13:33] <humphreybc> yeah
[13:33] <humphreybc> maybe
[13:33] <nisshh> no-one can make it pretty much
[13:34] <jaminday> might just be godbyk in here talking to himself
[13:34] <humphreybc> lol
[13:34] <humphreybc> daker: make the hyperlinks on the website HTML color code 44B4D5 and see how that works
[13:34] <ubuntujenkins> what meeting when/ where?
[13:35] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: doesn't look like we'll have one at this stage
[13:35] <humphreybc> were going to have one this weekend
[13:35] <daker> humphreybc, oki
[13:36] <nisshh> hehe, i cant make it next weekend or the weekend after either
[13:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: lol
[13:36] <nisshh> doh!
[13:36] <humphreybc> as long as you get that glossary done
[13:36] <nisshh> yea
[13:36] <humphreybc> we'll forgive you
[13:36] <nisshh> hehehe
[13:36] <humphreybc> you've got less than 12 hours now
[13:36] <humphreybc> how's it looking?
[13:36] <nisshh> excellent
[13:36] <nisshh> got around 25+ entries now
[13:36] <nisshh> and more to add
[13:36] <humphreybc> oh fantastic
[13:37] <humphreybc> estimated total amount
[13:37] <humphreybc> ?
[13:37] <humphreybc> (are you staying up all night?)
[13:37] <nisshh> not all night
[13:37] <jaminday> question for anyone... i thought the restricted and multiverse repositories were not enabled by default in Ubuntu
[13:37] <nisshh> just for another 6 hours maybe
[13:37] <humphreybc> jaminday: they aren't
[13:37] <jaminday> i just did a fresh install of lucid in virtualbox and they are ticked
[13:37] <ubuntujenkins> I thought not jaminday but if you install in the uk they are
[13:37] <humphreybc> weird
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> at least that happens yo me
[13:38]  * humphreybc has no idea then
[13:38] <jaminday> ubuntujenkins: ah... maybe in australia it's the same?
[13:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: no idea, how many i will end up with but probably around 30
[13:38] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: may be..
[13:38] <humphreybc> nisshh: that's great
[13:38] <nisshh> in australia multi and restricted are both enabled too
[13:38] <jaminday> at the moment the manual says they are not enabled by default - think i will leave it at that just to be safe
[13:38] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah, you can't go wrong
[13:39] <humphreybc> if they are enabled then people will be pleasantly surprised
[13:39] <jaminday> nisshh: ok - i've never noticed that before
[13:39] <humphreybc> if they're not, then we'd be right
[13:39] <jaminday> humphreybc: yeah - or they will freak out!
[13:39] <humphreybc> hey so I was thinking about this today
[13:39] <nisshh> jaminday: i dont really know its just i never have to enable them manually
[13:39] <humphreybc> what happens if say, the german manual has 45 screenshots in german, but 5 or 6 haven't been taken by the time final release comes around. What do?
[13:39] <humphreybc> do we just insert the 5 or 6 english ones?
[13:40] <daker> humphreybc, all the links ?
[13:40] <jaminday> nisshh: that's weird. I have enabled them every time previously!
[13:40] <humphreybc> we have to assume that not *all* translations will have *all* screenshots finished
[13:40] <jaminday> humphreybc: hmm... it would look tacky having some translated screenshots and some not
[13:40] <humphreybc> daker: yeah, site-wide. see how it looks. it's meant to be about the same colour as the "here" on the quickshot.png mockup down the bottom
[13:40] <nisshh> jaminday: i havent had to do it since 8.10
[13:40] <humphreybc> daker: try to get it as close to that colour as you can, it's a sort of light-blue with a hint of green... aka aqua
[13:41] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah but we wouldn't want to waste those 45 german screenshots
[13:41] <daker> the hover color ?
[13:41] <humphreybc> daker: haven't thought about that yet
[13:41] <humphreybc> oh daker, keep the nav bar how it is though
[13:41] <humphreybc> so orange hover
[13:41] <daker> kk
[13:41] <nisshh> huphreybc: maybe postpone that language release till 10.10?
[13:41] <humphreybc> but the links in the body should become aqua
[13:41] <jaminday> nisshh: that's strange. Maybe because i've previously done installs mainly on my laptop, and as theres no wi-fi connection until you get to the desktop it didn't know where i was from
[13:41] <daker> kk
[13:41] <humphreybc> um rollover... hmm
[13:42] <humphreybc> maybe just a slightly lighter shade or something
[13:42] <nisshh> jaminday: good point
[13:42] <jaminday> humphreybc: yes that's true about not wasting screenshots. You could put in english ones, then in the caption say (taken from english version of manual etc...) or something
[13:42] <humphreybc> don't change it from blue though, we want subtle minimalist type look here with a fairly small colour pallete. The buttons are the only things that break our colour pallete because we want them to stand out
[13:42] <humphreybc> nisshh: wouldn't want to postpone an entire language just for some screenshots
[13:43] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah maybe but that could be a bit of work. I was thinking just making a decision based on how many aren't taken... if over 25% of them are not translated, then the entire manual will get english shots
[13:43] <humphreybc> otherwise we do a mix
[13:43] <nisshh> humphreybc: good point but its either that or have it looked half done
[13:45] <humphreybc> nisshh: right but the way I see it is that no one will be expecting localized screenshots in the first place... hell, no one does that. no one supports 50 languages just with text, let alone with translated screenshots too
[13:45] <jaminday> humphreybc: yes true. Although adding a disclaimer of sorts to the caption would just be a copy-paste job once that string has been translated once
[13:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: true, i guess itll be ok then
[13:45] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah that could be a fairly easy compromise
[13:46] <jaminday> i think it would look less tacky to point out that the screenshot is from english version rather than trying to pretend it's not
[13:46] <jaminday> and hope no one notices!
[13:46] <humphreybc> i suppose with < 25% of all screenshots, we'd only have to add captions for at most 12 shots in each language
[13:46] <humphreybc> that's assuming all these languages are translated 100% to be released
[13:46] <jaminday> yes true
[13:46] <humphreybc> and that a fair amount miss out on english ones
[13:46] <humphreybc> so in the end it probably won't be that hard of a task to add in disclaimer type notes
[13:47] <humphreybc> in fact kevin could probably do it automatically by checking the source folder of the screenshot and seeing if it matches the locale of the manual, if not we add in a disclaimer....
[13:47] <humphreybc> but the disclaimers won't be translated because they'd be added too late
[13:47] <jaminday> kevin can do anything
[13:47] <jaminday> yes that's a good point
[13:48] <humphreybc> so would it look tacky having some english disclaimers beside some english screenshots in a german manual where 100% of the text is german and 75% of the screenshots are also in german?
[13:48] <humphreybc> I was originally thinking we just wing it for this release, hope no one pays attention to the few screenshots that might not be translated
[13:48] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: have you seen http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/ it shows the progress of each languages screenshots
[13:48] <jaminday> how about put the disclaimer in english, then have another disclaimer stating that the first disclaimer is written in english...
[13:48] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[13:48] <jaminday> :P
[13:49] <humphreybc> haha
[13:49] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: that's awesome!
[13:49] <ubuntujenkins> thats Red_HamsterX's work
[13:49] <humphreybc> i love big pages with statistical overviews of progress
[13:49] <humphreybc> means I can manage well... see if the estonians are lagging behind and kick them :P
[13:49] <ubuntujenkins> also it lists the screenshots still needed for each language
[13:50] <nisshh> thats so kickass
[13:50] <humphreybc> daker, you should tidy up http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ and then add a small link to it somewhere in the website
[13:51] <humphreybc> actually, scratch that, we won't need the public to see it
[13:52] <humphreybc> dutchie: did you fix the stuff that was needed for that merge?
[13:52] <humphreybc> and how was your driving test?
[13:53] <nisshh> launchpad should be back in in around 10 minutes or less
[13:54] <humphreybc> (01:54:22) deryck: adding an hour to LP downtime.  Sorry.
[13:54] <jaminday> Closed-source packages are sometimes
[13:54] <jaminday> referred to as non-free. This a reference to
[13:54] <jaminday> freedom of speech, rather than monetary
[13:54] <jaminday> cost. Payment is not required to use these
[13:54] <jaminday> packages, however they are disabled by
[13:54] <jaminday> default in Ubuntu to give users the choice of
[13:54] <jaminday> a completely open-source operating system.
[13:55] <jaminday> Is this accurate
[13:55] <jaminday> ?
[13:55] <nisshh> frick, another hour?
[13:55] <humphreybc> yea
[13:55] <humphreybc> looks like it
[13:55] <nisshh> darn it all!
[13:55] <jaminday> yeah that is a pain in the rear
[13:55]  * humphreybc has to make an executive decision. stay up all night, or go to bed now.
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> darn I need to bug fix
[13:56] <jaminday> can someone advise whether the paragraph above is ok? ^^
[13:56] <nisshh> we should have checked this out days ago
[13:57] <nisshh> it was posted to twitter a week ago
[13:57] <nisshh> jaminday: looks fine to me
[13:58] <jaminday> nisshh: thanks. Just wanted to make sure it was accurate
[13:59] <humphreybc> ugh
[13:59]  * ubuntujenkins starts the hovering
[13:59] <humphreybc> I think it's more a licensing thing rather than "choice"
[13:59] <humphreybc> but your explanation makes it simpler
[13:59] <jaminday> ah ok. Yeah i didn't want to get too much into it, and i've mentioned the licensing thing a bit further down as well
[14:00]  * humphreybc has been up 19 hours already
[14:00] <jaminday> That was a margin note so trying to keep it simple.
[14:00]  * humphreybc isn't tired
[14:00]  * humphreybc doesn't need sleep
[14:00]  * humphreybc is a machine
[14:00] <jaminday> The power of positive thinking...
[14:00] <humphreybc> I am a machine. I will stay up and work on the project.
[14:00] <humphreybc> I'm going to test quickshot some more using the pen drive thing
[14:01] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: so I just enabled the universe repos to get pybabel?
[14:01]  * nisshh has been working on the glossary for 6 hours now
[14:01] <humphreybc> go nisshh!
[14:01] <nisshh> eeeeehhhhh...
[14:01] <nisshh> lucky im a night time person
[14:01] <humphreybc> lol
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: yes it should work if you do that
[14:02] <humphreybc> okay
[14:02] <humphreybc> what PPA should I be using?
[14:02] <humphreybc> or should I be using the .deb you sent me yesterdaY?
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> hand on i will mail you another version
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> *hang
[14:02] <humphreybc> okay, thanks
[14:02] <humphreybc> make it good
[14:02] <humphreybc> :)
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> the ppa is out of date
[14:02] <humphreybc> lol
[14:04] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: sent, the ppa has none of the bug fixes but i can't update it
[14:04] <humphreybc> ah right
[14:06] <humphreybc> god, what the hell... "Biebergasm" is trending on twitter
[14:06] <humphreybc> Come on, he's like.. 15.
[14:17] <humphreybc> off to test quickshot
[14:17] <humphreybc> back soon
[14:25] <jaminday> hey ubuntujenkins - what's the quickshot ppa address?
[14:25] <ubuntujenkins> daily or release jaminday
[14:26] <jaminday> either - just need to test something in lucid with a ppa
[14:26] <jaminday> actually daily, cos i think you said there aren't any packages in release yet
[14:27] <ubuntujenkins> https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-daily
[14:27] <jaminday> ubuntujenkins: great, thanks
[14:31] <daker> still 30min for launchpad ?
[14:33] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully
[14:35] <ubuntujenkins> EVERYONE: make sure we don't all rush to commit stuff at the same time we could get loads of conflicts and if the branch diverges don't forget bzr uncommit
[14:36] <daker> kk
[14:52] <nisshh> brb testing lubuntu out'
[14:53] <daker> ubuntujenkins, Download Quickshot (the live CD) is pointing where ?
[14:53] <daker> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot.png
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know daker godbyk is putting it on ubuntu-manual.org this evening
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> once i get it to him :P
[14:55] <daker> kk
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> i will let you know asap
[14:55] <daker> thanks
[14:57] <daker> File a Bug is pointing here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot ?
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> yep thats fine i need to change the wiki one
[14:58] <daker> kk
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> daker: please delete the "edge." bit
[14:58] <nisshh> so who wants to commit and push first?
[14:59] <daker> sure
[15:00] <daker> you nisshh
[15:00] <nisshh> ok
[15:01] <nisshh> i do have the least disruptive changes too
[15:02] <nisshh> is lp back up yet?
[15:02] <daker> i did a pull and it works
[15:03] <ubuntujenkins> yes nisshh
[15:03] <nisshh> ok hang on then
[15:05]  * daker is listening to Junior Caldera - Can't Fight This Feeling
[15:05] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot might reach 220 revisions today
[15:06] <daker> ubuntujenkins nisshh , Barça or Arsenal ?
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> neither not a football supporter
[15:08] <nisshh> ok, next person go for it, dont forget to pull first
[15:11] <jaminday> nisshh: i will be doing so soon
[15:11] <jaminday> so so tired...
[15:13]  * humphreybc is having no luck with computers
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> what have you done?
[15:13] <humphreybc> well firstly I went into my pen drive live CD
[15:13] <humphreybc> tested quickshot, worked quite well
[15:13] <ubuntujenkins> only quite?
[15:14] <humphreybc> then I thought I'd try the german translations, to see if that would work
[15:14] <humphreybc> firstly downloaded the translations at like 400KB/s, then it told me the pen drive had run out of room
[15:14] <dutchie> humphreybc: all my end of the poppler thing is done
[15:14] <humphreybc> take 2: removed open office, ubuntu-docs, pitivi and some other programs/packages and tried to install german lang again
[15:14] <dutchie> also, haven't had my test yet
[15:15] <humphreybc> this time, it decided to download at a measly 8KB/s
[15:15] <humphreybc> so that took about 45 minutes
[15:15] <ubuntujenkins> ouch
[15:15] <humphreybc> eventually I ran out of space (again!)
[15:15] <humphreybc> and it turned out I didn't have the right packages, so I gave up
[15:15] <humphreybc> boot back into Lucid and for some reason my Dell external LCD that I hook up to my laptop wasn't working with my VGA cable
[15:15] <humphreybc> luckily I have two identical Dell monitors, two identical VGA cables
[15:16] <humphreybc> so I swapped them all around and tested stuff
[15:16] <humphreybc> looks like my VGA out port is either really really hot right now, or fried
[15:16] <humphreybc> HDMI out works fine
[15:16] <humphreybc> so I'll need to buy another HDMI cable
[15:16] <humphreybc> all this at 3am
[15:16] <humphreybc> sigh
[15:16] <humphreybc> dutchie: that's great news
[15:16] <humphreybc> is LP back up?
[15:17] <daker> humphreybc, Need more help? See detailed instructions "here" , the "here" should be pointed
[15:17] <ubuntujenkins> you don't haev much luck ben, yes it is up
[15:17] <daker> humphreybc, where ?
[15:17] <jaminday> dutchie: will the poppler stuff make it in to lucid?
[15:17] <nisshh> lp is back up now
[15:17] <humphreybc> daker: should be pointed to test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[15:17] <humphreybc> (ie, to the Get Involved page)
[15:17] <humphreybc> oh good now I can mark bugs and things
[15:18] <daker> kk
[15:18] <humphreybc> dutchie: so you fixed the stuff from Anders' comments?
[15:18] <humphreybc> (about makefile and the annotations for the source)
[15:18] <dutchie> seb128 is sorting the automake stuff, and I tagged the patch
[15:18] <daker> i need a description for the quickshot page humphreybc
[15:18] <humphreybc> dutchie: fantastic
[15:19] <humphreybc> daker: a description? for google bot and the like?
[15:19] <daker> yes
[15:20] <jaminday> humphreybc: can i get rid of stuff on synaptic package manager in chapter 5?
[15:20] <humphreybc> jaminday: what's it talk about?
[15:21] <jaminday> basically introduces it as 'a more advanced tool', then talks a little bit about how to use it
[15:21] <humphreybc> daker: um... just take the first sentence from the page: "Quickshot is a python application designed to make it easy for all users to capture translated screenshots using an intuitive and semi-automated step-by-step process."
[15:21] <jaminday> it needs a lot of work to make it useful for newbies
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> the live cd user name is ubuntu and the password is empty ie no characters or letters on numbers just nothing can we make sure that is is mentioned on the website
[15:21] <jaminday> i reckon we will be better off leaving it for 10.10
[15:22] <humphreybc> jaminday: right but we need to touch on it. From what I've seen, it's not that bad. We should probably leave it
[15:22] <ubuntujenkins> daker: ^^ my last comment
[15:22] <humphreybc> jaminday: if you can cut it down to an overview or something
[15:22] <humphreybc> at least a section that acknowledges its existance
[15:23] <jaminday> ok. I think we will confuse people if we start directing them on how to use it, unless we explain it really well.
[15:23] <humphreybc> right
[15:23] <jaminday> I will leave a mention in and take the rest out for now, then revisit for 10.10
[15:23] <humphreybc> so take out the directions (comment, don't delete)
[15:23] <humphreybc> yeap
[15:23] <jaminday> yep
[15:23] <humphreybc> find a community docs page that talks about it and link to that for more info
[15:25] <jaminday> ok i'll link to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[15:25] <humphreybc> good idea
[15:28] <humphreybc> jaminday: you fixed bug 546295 and bug 546299 ?
[15:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 546295 in ubuntu-manual "Confusing use of 'gksudo' in 'sudo' paragraph" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546295
[15:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 546299 in ubuntu-manual "Use of sudo in terminal without explanation on password" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546299
[15:28] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for adding the button to the wiki daker
[15:28] <humphreybc> also, ubuntujenkins, I just reported a new bug... bug 552544
[15:28] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 552544 in quickshot "Error on creating new user with Ubuntu Live CD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552544
[15:28] <nisshh> anyone currently editing chapter 6?
[15:29] <humphreybc> don't think so
[15:29] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what error?
[15:29] <nisshh> ok cool, im going to add all my glossary stuff for chapter 6 now
[15:29] <jaminday> humphreybc: nope, i had planned to do these but haven't had time.
[15:29] <humphreybc> can't remember what the error is exactly
[15:29] <humphreybc> it's not an ugly error
[15:29] <humphreybc> it just says something like "Error, the user cannot be created"
[15:30] <jaminday>  humphreybc: you might want to take a look if you have time
[15:30] <humphreybc> but if you hit close, then log out, you'll see the quickshot user is there but there is no image in the login screen
[15:30] <humphreybc> I don't think it's that important because we'll have our own Live CD.
[15:30] <humphreybc> and it does actually work, just throws the error anyway
[15:30] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what did you use as the sudo password? for the ubuntu user?
[15:31] <humphreybc> blank, no password
[15:31] <humphreybc> (unsafe storage)
[15:31] <humphreybc> that could have been the problem?
[15:31] <ubuntujenkins> o ok i need to test this
[15:32] <daker> ubuntujenkins, ,no problemo we are a team :)
[15:33] <humphreybc> hey so daker are you planning on implementing all your changes in the public daker folder?
[15:33] <humphreybc> so apart from the countdown, they should practically be the same
[15:33] <humphreybc> we definitely want the quickshot stuff at ubuntu-manual.org by the time quickshot is released later today
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> I am just going to do some quickshot testing I will be back
[15:36] <daker> kk humphreybc
[15:36] <humphreybc> :)
[15:42] <daker> someone is pushing ?
[15:42] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr pull
[15:42] <daker> Using saved parent location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[15:42] <daker> No revisions to pull.
[15:42] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr add
[15:42] <daker> adding website/daker-test/images/bug_quickshot.png
[15:42] <daker> adding website/daker-test/images/quickshot11.png
[15:42] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr commit
[15:42] <daker> Committing to: /home/daker/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual/
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/css/style.css
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/css/style_rtl.css
[15:42] <daker> added website/daker-test/images/bug_quickshot.png
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/images/quickshot.png
[15:42] <daker> added website/daker-test/images/quickshot11.png
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/includes/config.php
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/pages/about.php
[15:42] <daker> modified website/daker-test/pages/quickshot.php
[15:42] <daker> Committed revision 703.
[15:43] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr push
[15:43] <daker> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[15:43] <daker> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[15:43] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$
[15:43] <daker> dutchie, help!!
[15:43] <dutchie> what does "bzr missing" say?
[15:44] <daker> You have 1 extra revision(s):
[15:44] <daker> ------------------------------------------------------------
[15:44] <daker> revno: 703
[15:44] <daker> committer: Adnane Belmadiaf <adnane002@gmail.com>
[15:44] <daker> branch nick: ubuntu-manual
[15:44] <daker> timestamp: Wed 2010-03-31 14:39:34 +0200
[15:44] <daker> message:
[15:44] <daker>   *Filled out the Quickshot page's text
[15:45] <daker>   *Added Strings for translations
[15:45] <daker> You are missing 1 revision(s):
[15:45] <daker> ------------------------------------------------------------
[15:45] <daker> revno: 703
[15:45] <daker> committer: Ryan Macnish <nisshh@hotmail.com>
[15:45] <daker> branch nick: ubuntu-manual
[15:45] <daker> timestamp: Wed 2010-03-31 22:39:24 +0800
[15:45] <daker> message:
[15:45] <humphreybc> you can probably safely go bzr merge
[15:45] <daker>   Linked some glossary entries in ch6.
[15:45] <humphreybc> no one else will be working on the website
[15:45] <humphreybc> so there should be no conflicts
[15:46] <dutchie> yeah, merge t
[15:46] <dutchie> it
[15:46] <daker> then bzr push ?
[15:46] <humphreybc> daker, just run bzr merge
[15:46] <humphreybc> try bzr push first
[15:46] <daker> done
[15:46] <humphreybc> there you go :P
[15:46] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr merge
[15:46] <daker> Merging from remembered parent location bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[15:46] <daker>  M  command-line/command-line.tex
[15:46] <daker> All changes applied successfully.
[15:46] <humphreybc> http://wubuntu.co.cc/
[15:46] <humphreybc> check out that
[15:47] <daker> should i did bzr push ?
[15:47] <humphreybc> yep
[15:47] <humphreybc> try bzr push
[15:48] <humphreybc> if that doesn't work, commit again and then push
[15:48] <nisshh> yea sorry that commit was me
[15:48] <nisshh> no-one was working on ch6 so i went ahead
[15:49] <daker> what's message should i write ? humphreybc
[15:50] <humphreybc> daker just go "merging"
[15:50] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: bug comfirmed just working on a fix
[15:50] <humphreybc> neat
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> does anyone know the proper url for the ubuntu home page (the yahoo search bar) about:home doesn't work on the live cd.
[15:53] <nisshh> anyone editing default-apps?
[15:54] <jaminday> nisshh: nope don't think so
[15:54] <nisshh> ok
[15:55] <nisshh> dont edit it then
[15:56] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[15:56] <ubuntujenkins> thanks humphreybc that should work
[15:57] <ubuntujenkins> off to test if this bug is fixed
[15:58] <daker> http://wubuntu.co.cc/ not pretty :s
[15:58] <humphreybc> lol
[15:59] <dutchie> I think it's quite pretty
[16:01] <nisshh> humphreybc: i think im mostly finished, if you grab the latest revision you can have a look at what iv done
[16:01]  * humphreybc likes it too
[16:01] <humphreybc> nisshh: sweet
[16:01] <daker> dutchie, since the website uses Arial font we no alternative
[16:01] <daker> html, body{
[16:01] <daker> 	padding: 0;
[16:01] <daker> 	margin: 0;
[16:01] <daker> 	background: #fff;
[16:01] <daker> 	font-family: Arial;
[16:01] <daker> }
[16:02] <daker> Arial is not provided with ubuntu by default
[16:02] <humphreybc> Do Arial then Verdana then Sans or something
[16:02] <humphreybc> as backups
[16:02] <humphreybc> what's the one that comes with OS X?
[16:03] <daker> humphreybc,  the website = http://wubuntu.co.cc/
[16:03] <humphreybc> (if you could figure out a way for everyone in the world to see Droid Sans on the site without using images that would be even better :P )
[16:03] <humphreybc> oh right
[16:03] <daker> not our ubuntu-manual.org
[16:03] <humphreybc> so that website is just some people who have taken the mock up from the canonical design team and actually built it from scratch
[16:03] <nisshh> humphreybc: total of 24 entries linked in
[16:03] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: bug fixed it was caused by a missing "s"
[16:04] <nisshh> missing just one that i havent put in yet
[16:04] <humphreybc> ok
[16:04] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: that's a nice bug
[16:04] <daker> ubuntujenkins, shit "s" dirty bugg
[16:04] <humphreybc> dutchie: you'll need to figure out how we're going to fork the main branch for 2nd edition
[16:05] <daker> humphreybc, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[16:05] <nisshh> humphreybc: the default OSX font is: OSX-is-shit.ttf
[16:05] <humphreybc> daker, not bad... some feedback
[16:05] <humphreybc> the "Taking screenshots has never been easier" is now huge and really obvious
[16:05] <humphreybc> (when it's supposed to be really subtle)
[16:06] <humphreybc> I don't think you've replaced the image of quickshot with the new one
[16:06] <dutchie> humphreybc: yes I will
[16:06] <humphreybc> steps 2. and 3. have a bracket at the end when they should have
[16:06] <humphreybc> ie, "Create a Quickshot user and login)"
[16:06] <daker> i'llbe back
[16:06] <humphreybc> okay :)
[16:07] <nisshh> jaminday: was it you who wanted a glossary entry for the word "proprietary"?
[16:07] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: I might fix up the quickshot wiki somewhat
[16:10] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: no probelm I am rubish at writing , dispite all my work in the manual
[16:10] <humphreybc> no worries
[16:17] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: where should the download quickshot button point to?
[16:18] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: we don't know, I will update it as soon as i do
[16:18] <humphreybc> ok
[16:20] <jaminday> nisshh: yep. I'm just pushing changes to chapter 5 now, and i added a \todo with a few glossary terms that you might want to add
[16:21] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[16:22] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: give me a list of features for quickshot for my OMG! blog post on it
[16:22] <ubuntujenkins> looking good can you link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/about
[16:22] <humphreybc> that page is mostly irrelevant now
[16:22] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough
[16:23] <ubuntujenkins> it auto crops pictures
[16:23] <ubuntujenkins> resizes peoples resolution automatically
[16:23] <ubuntujenkins> you can compare yours with samples
[16:24] <ubuntujenkins> *screenshot
[16:24] <ubuntujenkins> works for all the languages, we have a custom lice cd with all of the languges on
[16:25] <ubuntujenkins> The screenshot list can be updated for last minute additions/chnages like kevin suggested this morning
[16:26] <ubuntujenkins> over all it simplifies the proccess a lot
[16:27] <ubuntujenkins> it deals with compiz and metacy
[16:28] <ubuntujenkins> not sure what else
[16:28] <nisshh> jaminday: have you pushed those TODO's to lp yet?
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> compiz screenshots often miss the borders when taken with the normal program
[16:29] <nisshh> jaminday: coz i cant find that todo item you added
[16:29] <jaminday> i'm trying - my computer is having a seizure
[16:29] <nisshh> jaminday: hehe, sounds more like heart failure
[16:29] <jaminday> hehe yeah it's something not great!
[16:29] <jaminday> might have to gimme a couple of minutes, think i need to do a restart
[16:29] <jaminday> brb
[16:32] <nisshh> jaminday: all good?
[16:33] <jaminday> grrrr... it's 2:30am, why does it have to go and crap on me now!
[16:33] <humphreybc> it's 4:30am here lopl
[16:33] <humphreybc> lol*
[16:33] <jaminday> hehe
[16:33] <jaminday> humphreybc: you win
[16:33] <nisshh> hehe its only 11:30pm here
[16:33] <humphreybc> nisshh: where are you?
[16:33] <jaminday> i am so tired, and got a massive day at work tomorrow!
[16:33] <ubuntujenkins> only 4.33pm here
[16:34] <nisshh> western aussie
[16:34] <nisshh> jaminday must be EST
[16:34] <humphreybc> jaminday: I thought you were in western Aus to
[16:34] <humphreybc> too*
[16:34] <jaminday> nisshh: wow, didn't realise you were so different over there
[16:34] <nisshh> hehe
[16:34] <jaminday> humphreybc: nope, i'm NSW
[16:34] <jaminday> about an hour north of sydney
[16:34] <nisshh> yea thought so
[16:34] <nisshh> im 2 hours south of perth
[16:35] <jaminday> ah ok
[16:35] <jaminday> ok this is ridiculous
[16:35] <nisshh> whats the matter lol?
[16:35] <jaminday> maybe manualbot can help
[16:36] <jaminday> nisshh: i have no idea. I try to pull and it does nothing for ages
[16:36] <nisshh> doubt it, its always telling me how stupid it is
[16:36] <jaminday> then gives me an error saying it couldn't get a lock on the directory or something
[16:36] <nisshh> jaminday: did you restart?
[16:36] <jaminday> hehe yeah stupid manualbot
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: are you using ground control?
[16:37] <jaminday> nisshh: no i cheated and thought a logout might cut it
[16:37] <jaminday> ironically to save time
[16:37] <nisshh> jaminday: restart
[16:37] <nisshh> hehe
[16:37] <jaminday> ok, brb again
[16:37] <nisshh> damn, im having a really good week this week\
[16:38] <nisshh> which is a rarity
[16:40] <nisshh> brb
[16:40] <jaminday> round 3... fight
[16:42] <jaminday> still not looking good
[16:42] <ubuntujenkins> jaminday: can you post the error please
[16:43] <jaminday> ok - i'm still waiting. It does nothing for ages then it pops up.
[16:43] <jaminday> (i'm using olive btw)
[16:44] <nisshh> jaminday: use the cmd and type: bzr launchpad-login <username>
[16:44] <nisshh> then go bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual
[16:45] <jaminday> nisshh: ok. Might wait for it to finish trying to do whatever it's doing first so i don't freak it out more
[16:45] <nisshh> jaminday: hit control + c to force it to stop
[16:45] <jaminday> it's ok, just stopped
[16:46] <jaminday> Unknown bzr error
[16:46] <jaminday> Could not acquire lock "LockDir(file:///home/jamin/Projects/ubuntu-manual/lp%3Aubuntu-manual/.bzr/branch/lock)":
[16:46] <ubuntujenkins> I think you need to do bzr break-lock /home/jamin/Projects/ubuntu-manual/lp%3Aubuntu-manual/.bzr/branch/lock at the command line
[16:46] <nisshh> +1
[16:46] <nisshh> iv had that error before
[16:47] <jaminday> ok here goes
[16:47] <jaminday> ok did that, now try and pull?
[16:47] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[16:47] <nisshh> yep
[16:47] <nisshh> then commit any changes and push
[16:48] <nisshh> humphreybc: have you seen my work yet?
[16:48] <humphreybc> yep, briefly, going to have a proper look now
[16:48] <nisshh> ok thanks
[16:49] <nisshh> last day of college before holidays tomorrow!
[16:49] <humphreybc> same here
[16:49] <nisshh> really? cool!
[16:49] <jaminday> ok
[16:50] <jaminday> pulling now
[16:50] <nisshh> ok
[16:50] <daker> humphreybc, when it's supposed to be really subtle - how ?
[16:50] <jaminday> didn't work the first time, had to do bzr break-lock file:///home/jamin/Projects/ubuntu-manual/lp%3Aubuntu-manual/.bzr/branch
[16:50] <humphreybc> daker, make the font size smaller and the colour of the font very light gray
[16:51] <humphreybc> it's not that important, you could easily remove that string if you want
[16:51] <daker> no no
[16:51] <humphreybc> nisshh: if you're going to have minimize you should probably have maximize too
[16:52] <nisshh> yea, is maximize even mentioned in the manual anywhere?
[16:52] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[16:52] <jaminday> gah, slow internet!
[16:53] <nisshh> jaminday: i hate slow internet too! what speed is yours?
[16:53] <jaminday> well it's usually 1500/256, but now that its past 2am im into offpeak time
[16:54] <humphreybc> nisshh: maybe
[16:54] <jaminday> which is shaped cos i went over the limit!
[16:54] <humphreybc> also nisshh, desktop environment perhaps?
[16:54] <jaminday> running at 128/128 now which is painful
[16:55] <jaminday> ok nisshh, pushing now
[16:56] <nisshh> jaminday: lol i have the same speed, but you have that on-peak off-peak shit!?!?!?
[16:56] <jaminday> nisshh: yep!
[16:56] <jaminday> our internet is so crap in Aus
[16:56] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea another good one
[16:56] <nisshh> jaminday: got that right!
[16:58] <nisshh> got someones r706
[16:58] <humphreybc> ha! you haven't tried NZ net...
[16:59] <humphreybc> nisshh: I just fixed some typos in the glossary entries and pushed
[16:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: does your ISPs DNS server reqularly stop working
[16:59] <humphreybc> nisshh: not quite
[16:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: thanks
[16:59] <nisshh> and does your ISP take 3 months to upgrade your plan?
[17:00] <nisshh> thats why aussie ISPs are gay
[17:00] <jaminday> nisshh: +1
[17:00] <humphreybc> lol
[17:00] <nisshh> hehe
[17:00] <jaminday> nisshh: yep r706 was me
[17:00] <nisshh> should write a blog post about crap ISPs
[17:00] <nisshh> cool
[17:00] <jaminday> hope i put the \todo's in after all that
[17:00]  * humphreybc has some sweet posts lined up for OMG! Ubuntu! ready and waiting for when we hit beta/writing freeze/quickshot release etc
[17:00] <jaminday> i probably forgot
[17:00] <nisshh> hehe
[17:01]  * ubuntujenkins can't wait to see how many quickshot bugs we get. We are not going to get any :P
[17:01] <jaminday> Well, humphreybc, i'm officially hanging up my keyboard for the first 10.04 release of UMP!
[17:01] <humphreybc> heh
[17:01] <jaminday> ...and going to bed!
[17:02] <humphreybc> darn you
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> night jaminday
[17:02] <humphreybc> i still have the rest of the morning
[17:02] <humphreybc> night jamin!
[17:02] <jaminday> night all
[17:02] <nisshh> nighty night
[17:02] <jaminday> yeah i would help out more in the morning but i'll be at work, so this is it for me
[17:02] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: i'm sure the bugs will pour in :P
[17:02] <nisshh> ill be up another hour for sure
[17:02] <humphreybc> lol
[17:02] <humphreybc> well, we've done good
[17:02] <jaminday> yeah, not a bad effort all things considered
[17:02] <nisshh> yea
[17:03] <nisshh> im happy with it
[17:03] <jaminday> anyway, i'm off.
[17:03] <humphreybc> 5am..
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> 5 pm
[17:03] <humphreybc> last time I was awake at this time was for 48 hours
[17:04] <nisshh> humphreybc: now you know what its like for me at meetings
[17:04] <humphreybc> hahaha
[17:04] <nisshh> hehe
[17:04] <nisshh> im up till 6am EVERY meeting
[17:04] <humphreybc> good times
[17:04] <ubuntujenkins> we have 8 hours
[17:04] <humphreybc> Luke, when are you aiming to release quickshot?
[17:04] <nisshh> oh, i thought we had les than that
[17:05]  * humphreybc hopes he doesn't break the quickshot branch by just adding in some images
[17:05] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully before the manual freeze I am waiting for Red_HamsterX to wake up
[17:05]  * ubuntujenkins hopes not
[17:05] <ubuntujenkins> what are you adding?
[17:06] <humphreybc> two images, but hang on
[17:06] <nisshh> lol guess what?
[17:06] <nisshh> jamindays todos never made it to lp
[17:06] <ubuntujenkins> what, your internet is broken?
[17:06] <humphreybc> nisshh: lol
[17:06] <humphreybc> oh well
[17:06] <nisshh> after all that
[17:06] <humphreybc> looks like they won't get done :P
[17:07] <humphreybc> where's godbyk, he should be up by now
[17:07] <nisshh> meh i know he wanted proprientary in there
[17:07] <humphreybc> yeah
[17:07] <humphreybc> proprietary*
[17:07] <nisshh> godbyk!!!!!!
[17:07] <nisshh> yea thats what i said
[17:07] <ubuntujenkins> right I have to cook food I will be back in about 2 hours.
[17:07] <ubuntujenkins> leaving irc on
[17:08] <humphreybc> ok
[17:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: you finished with the glossary-entries.tex file?
[17:10] <humphreybc> yep
[17:10] <nisshh> cool
[17:11] <nisshh> oh crap! my left arms starting to go dead from too much typing lol
[17:11] <humphreybc> hahaha
[17:11] <nisshh> not funny...
[17:11] <humphreybc> okay i'm going to tackle these last TODOs in the manual
[17:11] <nisshh> cool
[17:12] <nisshh> so as far as i know i have 3 items to add to the glossary yea?
[17:12] <humphreybc> I think so
[17:12] <humphreybc> I'll try to think of some more
[17:12] <nisshh> if you cant, dont worry 27 is a good amount for now
[17:13] <daker> humphreybc, i'll rename the daker directory to daker.old and create an new one called daker-countdown with the new changes
[17:13] <humphreybc> nisshh: hahaha
[17:14] <humphreybc> daker... okay but that will probably break the auto-update thing
[17:14] <humphreybc> you'll need to talk to godbyk first
[17:14] <humphreybc> you can rename them, but he'll have to change the thing on his end
[17:14] <nisshh> humphreybc: im not sure what to add as the description for: proprietary
[17:14] <humphreybc> otherwise the entire site will go down :)
[17:14] <nisshh> and we dont want that
[17:15] <humphreybc> nisshh: hmm... Proprietary: "Software and drivers that don't release their source code under the GPL license."
[17:15] <humphreybc> or just software
[17:15] <nisshh> thanks, thats a good one
[17:15] <daker> humphreybc, so i'll wait for godbyk
[17:15] <humphreybc> "Software made by companies that don't release their source code under the GPL license."
[17:15] <humphreybc> daker: yep
[17:15] <humphreybc> good idea :)
[17:18] <humphreybc> lol
[17:18] <humphreybc> we were up to rev 561 on march 24th
[17:18] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/561 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 561
[17:18] <humphreybc> that was 7 days ago
[17:19] <humphreybc> now we're over 700
[17:19] <nisshh> humphreybc: maybe we shouldnt specify the GPL
[17:19] <humphreybc> okay, just say open source licenses
[17:19] <humphreybc> or something like this
[17:19] <nisshh> because you have the BSD licence and such
[17:19] <humphreybc> yeah, and CC
[17:19] <nisshh> right
[17:19] <humphreybc> that's a good point
[17:19] <humphreybc> generalize it to open source licenses
[17:19] <nisshh> yep
[17:21] <daker> humphreybc, should i add this http://ubuntu-manual.org/?audiobook ?
[17:24] <humphreybc> heh, you found it, nice work daker :P
[17:24] <humphreybc> that's just a temporary page for the next couple of days
[17:24] <daker> hhh
[17:25] <humphreybc> it has to stay with that URL but it needn't be included in test.ubuntu-manual
[17:25] <daker> kk
[17:26] <nisshh> humphreybc: got any ideas fr a description for desktop environment
[17:27] <humphreybc> I there might be something in the prologue
[17:28] <humphreybc> but maybe something like "A generic term to describe a GUI interface for humans to interact with computers. There are many desktop environments such as GNOME, KDE and LXDE to name a few."
[17:28] <nisshh> cant find it
[17:28] <nisshh> ok
[17:29] <humphreybc> I can't wait to change all the FIx Committed to Fix Released later today...
[17:29] <humphreybc> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/main/beta-release
[17:30] <nisshh> hehe, exciting
[17:30] <nisshh> i think people will be pleased with what we have achieved in such a short space of time
[17:30] <humphreybc> daker, your recent revisions to the site look good
[17:31] <humphreybc> daker: for the link colour, try making it one shade darker :P
[17:31] <nisshh> lol, my dads pissing his pants he wants to see it so badly
[17:31] <humphreybc> awesome
[17:32] <nisshh> hehe, he doesnt even know what ubuntu is
[17:32] <humphreybc> daker, also, the "Interested?" section should become just: "Click here to find out how you can get involved."
[17:32] <humphreybc> the "here" should be a link to http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[17:32] <humphreybc> so remove the "Head over to our wiki page for .... etc" bit, that's irrelevant now
[17:32] <humphreybc> nisshh: lol nice!
[17:32] <humphreybc> it looks cool when it's printed
[17:33] <daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved or http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved ?
[17:33] <humphreybc> do test for now
[17:33] <humphreybc> then we'll have to change it when we change over the sites
[17:33] <daker> kk
[17:34] <nisshh> wooo! almost done!
[17:34] <humphreybc> gnarly
[17:40] <humphreybc> good news!
[17:40] <humphreybc> looks like bug 248355 will make it
[17:40] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248355
[17:42] <nisshh> yay!
[17:42] <nisshh> thats good, nice smooth graphics
[17:43] <nisshh> i dont know if that version will be included in lucid though
[17:43]  * Red_HamsterX shatters hopes.
[17:43] <nisshh> hopefully it will
[17:43] <nisshh> hehe
[17:43] <Red_HamsterX> I had some stuf to take care of, ubuntujenkins. :(
[17:43] <Red_HamsterX> I'll go over all remaining open bugs now.
[17:43] <Red_HamsterX> How many hours do we have left?
[17:43] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: don't worry sorry for disapearing last night my laptop over heated
[17:44] <ubuntujenkins> about 7 hours
[17:44] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, that should be plenty of time...
[17:44] <humphreybc> yes, it's already been pushed to main
[17:44] <humphreybc> so it'll be in the next round of lucid updates I believe
[17:44] <ubuntujenkins> I guessed you were busy Red_HamsterX
[17:44] <Red_HamsterX> Life happens. :(
[17:44]  * Red_HamsterX kills life.
[17:44] <humphreybc> lol
[17:45] <humphreybc> don't worry, we've got tonnes of time
[17:45] <humphreybc> and quickshot doesn't have to meet the deadline as strictly as UMP
[17:45] <ubuntujenkins> It would be good if it could
[17:45] <humphreybc> yeah
[17:45] <ubuntujenkins> back after i have eaten
[17:45] <humphreybc> it would be nice :)
[17:45] <nisshh> good
[17:45] <humphreybc> but if it's a few hours behind i'm sure the world won't explode
[17:47] <nisshh> ok, im just testing my final glossary changes
[17:47] <nisshh> seem to be all good
[17:48] <humphreybc> sweet
[17:50] <nisshh> pushing them now
[17:51]  * humphreybc needs more mugshots
[17:51] <nisshh> done!
[17:51] <nisshh> hehe, who dont you have?
[17:51] <humphreybc> fantastic!
[17:51] <humphreybc> not sure but I don't have enough
[17:51] <humphreybc> I need at least another dozen or so
[17:51] <humphreybc> there are tonnes of translators who haven't submitted any
[17:51] <nisshh> all we need to do is call google and ask them to go around in the google street car
[17:52] <nisshh> i doubt they will
[17:52] <nisshh> most of them probably dont know about the announcement
[17:52] <humphreybc> yeah
[17:52] <humphreybc> oh well
[17:52] <nisshh> aw, i really wanna know what your doing with them now
[17:53] <nisshh> dammit im curious
[17:53] <Red_HamsterX> I want to know, too~
[17:53] <humphreybc> haha
[17:53] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: I don't have yours, do I?
[17:53] <Red_HamsterX> You do not.
[17:53] <Red_HamsterX> Find a picture of a cat.
[17:53] <humphreybc> I've got 36 but most of those are from KanchiLUG (Tamil translating team)
[17:53] <humphreybc> lol
[17:53] <humphreybc> awh come on now, you can't be camera shyt
[17:53] <Red_HamsterX> Yes, I can!
[17:53] <humphreybc> shy, even
[17:54] <Red_HamsterX> I haven't had a haircut in a while. :(
[17:54] <nisshh> humphreybc: i was gonna send you a picture of tux originally
[17:54] <Red_HamsterX> And I need to shave.
[17:54] <humphreybc> find me a picture of a cat that you would like to represent you
[17:54] <nisshh> or a hampster!
[17:54] <humphreybc> lol
[17:54] <nisshh> hamster!
[17:54] <nisshh> hehe
[17:56] <nisshh> i really like lucid far more compared to any other release
[17:56] <nisshh> its just so damn cool!
[17:56] <humphreybc> haha
[17:57] <nisshh> i really like it when you get a red menu button in the top right
[17:57] <nisshh> after a kernel update
[17:57] <nisshh> so sleep
[17:57] <nisshh> so sleek
[17:57] <humphreybc> lol
[17:58] <nisshh> omg i cant wait for 10.10 now
[17:58] <nisshh> lool
[17:59]  * humphreybc sighs
[17:59] <humphreybc> no doubt that'll be fun for UMP too
[17:59] <nisshh> hehe
[17:59] <nisshh> you should be very proud of what you have achieved
[17:59] <nisshh> its a big thing
[17:59] <humphreybc> me? heh, we all did it :)
[18:00] <nisshh> yea i know, but you started it, you motivated us, kept us going
[18:00]  * humphreybc blushes!
[18:00] <nisshh> lol
[18:00] <humphreybc> I dids my best :)
[18:00] <nisshh> so did we all i think
[18:01] <nisshh> i really feel like iv given back to ubuntu now though
[18:01] <nisshh> gives me warm fuzzies!
[18:01] <humphreybc> haha
[18:01] <humphreybc> yay
[18:03] <nisshh> this is just the start for me though
[18:03] <humphreybc> that's awesome to hear :)
[18:03] <nisshh> hehe
[18:03] <humphreybc> kickass!
[18:04] <nisshh> tell you what, this week has probably been the best week of my life
[18:04] <humphreybc> heh, really?
[18:05] <nisshh> oh yea, i havent felt this good in ages
[18:05] <humphreybc> awesome!
[18:05] <nisshh> yea, and the sheer amount that iv learnt this year alone is enough to open me a can of woopass!
[18:06] <humphreybc> haha awesome, and this year has only just started too
[18:06] <nisshh> yea
[18:08] <nisshh> it morning for you yet?
[18:08] <humphreybc> it's 6:10am :P
[18:08] <nisshh> meh, its only 1am here
[18:08] <daker> o.O humphreybc
[18:08] <humphreybc> lol
[18:08] <humphreybc> nisshh: that's early!
[18:08] <daker> 17:10 pm
[18:09] <humphreybc> daker, i need a photo of you btw
[18:09] <nisshh> lol, yep
[18:09] <nisshh> daker: you lucky bugger
[18:10] <daker> now ? i don't got one
[18:10] <humphreybc> not right now
[18:10] <nisshh> lol
[18:10] <daker> oki
[18:10] <humphreybc> but at some point over the next couple of days :)
[18:10] <humphreybc> you have to be smiling!
[18:10] <daker> i don't like to be smiling :)
[18:11] <daker> 800*600 ?
[18:11] <nisshh> i think i frowned in mine lol
[18:11]  * dutchie is in a happy state
[18:12] <humphreybc> dutchie: you passed?
[18:12] <dutchie> humphreybc: I meant in the photo
[18:12] <humphreybc> oh
[18:12] <dutchie> humphreybc: test's not til the 19th
[18:13] <nisshh> dutchie: what test is this?
[18:13] <dutchie> driving
[18:13] <nisshh> oooh, im about to go for my logbook too
[18:13] <nisshh> in a few weeks maybe
[18:17] <humphreybc> secret thing is awesome
[18:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: huh?
[18:18] <daker> humphreybc, a secret thing http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?v
[18:18] <humphreybc> the thing I need your photos for
[18:18] <humphreybc> it's awesome
[18:18] <nisshh> oh meh
[18:18]  * humphreybc has been working on it for a while
[18:18]  * dutchie leaves for the train
[18:18] <nisshh> must be pretty good then
[18:18] <humphreybc> you have trains!
[18:18] <dutchie> see you folks tomorrow
[18:18] <humphreybc> see ya dutchie
[18:18] <humphreybc> thanks!
[18:18] <nisshh> cya
[18:18] <daker> bye
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ubuntujenkins is back
[18:20] <nisshh> humphreybc: when are you going to show us what it is?
[18:20] <humphreybc> nisshh: in a couple of weeks
[18:20] <humphreybc> when it's ready :)
[18:20] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, I'm still quasi-AFK.
[18:20] <nisshh> hehe, on final release?
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[18:21] <daker> waw we pushed up 715 rev
[18:22] <nisshh> aw crap i think i know what your working on humphreybc!
[18:22] <humphreybc> what do you think it is?
[18:23] <nisshh> ok, i reckon its a video that goes on the contributors page of the new website
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> I agree
[18:23] <humphreybc> you could be right
[18:23] <nisshh> hehe it is
[18:23] <humphreybc> or, you could be wrong
[18:23] <nisshh> theres a video goes here thing on there
[18:23] <daker> humphreybc, +1
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> there is indeed
[18:24] <nisshh> unless its a trick...
[18:24] <nisshh> gonna be ironic if i guess right
[18:25] <daker> humphreybc, There were warnings while parsing the file.  These are not
[18:25] <daker> fatal, but please correct them if you can.
[18:25] <daker> Line 268: We got a second header.
[18:25] <daker> Thank you,
[18:25] <daker> The Launchpad team
[18:26] <daker> ah i found the mistake
[18:29]  * daker thought that hi finished all the website stuffs
[18:29]  * ubuntujenkins arrgh laptop lock up
[18:29] <ubuntujenkins> I can only use xchat
[18:30]  * nisshh reckons he should stay up all night watching movies and then go to college and do work tomorrow
[18:31] <daker> humphreybc, providecommand{\polang}{en} the {en} should be replaced by {fr} when translating to frensh ?
[18:31]  * nisshh says he must get sleep though
[18:32]  * nisshh is ignoring his predator insticts however
[18:32]  * nisshh says his brain is arguing with itself
[18:32] <humphreybc> daker, I *think* so
[18:33] <daker> the {en} tell Latex to use the english po file so for the frensh we have to use {fr}
[18:33] <daker> french*
[18:38] <daker> awesome in 2 weeks we have made a great job on the website
[18:39] <humphreybc> daker: indeed we have, thanks to you!
[18:40] <Red_HamsterX> It's very pretty. :)
[18:40] <humphreybc> best open source website out there :P
[18:40] <daker> :)
[18:40] <humphreybc> (well, it sure beats the docs team)
[18:41] <ubuntujenkins> http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?day=01&month=04&year=2010&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p0=0
[18:41] <ubuntujenkins> we own the docs team, have they looked at the manual recently?
[18:41] <humphreybc> just what we need lol
[18:41] <humphreybc> not sure... they might be keeping an eye on it
[18:41] <humphreybc> they certainly will know about us after today with the amount of announcements and crap i've got waiting
[18:42] <ubuntujenkins> the amount of stick you got at the start
[18:42] <humphreybc> ha, yea
[18:42] <daker> the docs team website's ?
[18:42] <humphreybc> daker: they don't have one, well, they have a wiki page
[18:42] <humphreybc> ;)
[18:43] <daker> aaaaaaaaah
[18:43] <nisshh> hehehehe
[18:44]  * nisshh has decided to stay up all night watching movies
[18:44] <humphreybc> nisshh: haha!
[18:44] <nisshh> ill sit in the channel and listen while i watch a few of my 230GB's of movies
[18:44] <humphreybc> fair nuff
[18:44] <nisshh> hehe\
[18:44] <humphreybc> you're on holidays now right?
[18:44] <daker> 230Gb o.O
[18:45] <ubuntujenkins> are there any ubuntu one screenshots?
[18:45] <nisshh> as of tomorrow after college i am
[18:45] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: don't think so
[18:45] <ubuntujenkins> good ubuntu one can come off of the cd
[18:45] <humphreybc> haha
[18:45] <nisshh> daker: thats nothing, i know a guy with over 900GB of movies
[18:46] <nisshh> THATS insane!
[18:46] <nisshh> anyway im gonna watch some shit now
[18:46]  * Red_HamsterX has over 9TB... if commercial DVDs count for their full recorded capacity.
[18:46] <daker> awesome
[18:47] <Red_HamsterX> MPEG2 forever!
[18:47]  * daker has 0bytes of movies :D
[18:47] <ubuntujenkins> as long as no one adds any more languages the cd will be fine
[18:47]  * Red_HamsterX has no pirated stuff.
[18:48] <nisshh> Red_HamsterX: if you rip dvds thats counted as pirating lol
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> I do not.
[18:49] <daker> nisshh, no
[18:49] <nisshh> even if you buy them first
[18:49] <nisshh> how did you get them legally?
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> And no, it isn't. It's just a violation of American's DMCA.
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> (If they have CSS)
[18:50] <Red_HamsterX> America's*
[18:53] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker, Red_HamsterX, i'll need your pictures by tomorrow :)
[18:53] <humphreybc> and if you don't want to include a picture then you're missing out!
[18:53] <daker> o.O
[18:54] <humphreybc> it doesn't have to be anything fancy
[18:54] <humphreybc> only pre-requisite is that you're smiling
[18:54] <humphreybc> :)
[18:54] <daker> you said = <humphreybc> but at some point over the next couple of days :)
[18:55] <humphreybc> yeah i changed my mind :)
[18:55] <humphreybc> I want to get all the pictures so I can work out some stuff
[18:55] <humphreybc> I think i'm only missing you guys from the core team
[18:56] <daker> how much pictures have you got at moment ?
[18:56] <humphreybc> bout 36
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> this is not good my laptop has got stuck again I am going to wait this one out to see if it fixes its self
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> its the live cd builds that are killing it
[18:58] <humphreybc> oh no
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> it this working
[18:59] <humphreybc> yes
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> how can i edit quickshot using only xchat?
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> ooo my computer works!
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> I don't know how to smile. :(
[19:00] <Red_HamsterX> I could flip a frown...
[19:02] <humphreybc> lol
[19:02] <humphreybc> stop whinging and JFD
[19:04] <Red_HamsterX> Fixing lack of default screenshot selection thingy now.
[19:06] <daker> still 5 hours, 53 minutes
[19:08] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: to add more screenshots all i have to do is add them to the server dictionary file right? Also which corners do the coordiantes refer too?, where is the origin?
[19:08] <Red_HamsterX> Origin is top-left.
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> Setting a negative value inverts it to be the opposite side of the window.
[19:09] <Red_HamsterX> The values are [left top width height]
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[19:10] <daker> Red_HamsterX, if you don't how to smile just say Sheeeeeeeeeze
[19:10] <Red_HamsterX> [-20 0 40 50] will capture the group of pixels 60-20 from the right side of the window.
[19:10] <daker> know*
[19:10] <Red_HamsterX> (Inverted values count inwards)
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> (To make it easy to do a -1 if you just want the right edge)
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> And, yes, you just add an entry.
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> Make sure you put it in a place that makes sense.
[19:11] <Red_HamsterX> The order int he dictionary is what the clients see.
[19:11] <humphreybc> okay
[19:12] <humphreybc> i'm going to grab a shower before the flatmates steal my hot water
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> 346 minutes left
[19:15] <Red_HamsterX> How do you want to handle the return to the srceenshot list, ubuntujenkins?
[19:15] <Red_HamsterX> We could do one of two things pretty easily:
[19:15] <Red_HamsterX> 1) just select the first item
[19:15] <Red_HamsterX> 2) select nothing
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> select nothing
[19:16] <Red_HamsterX> Or a third possibility: select the next logical item in the list
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> next logical if possible
[19:16] <Red_HamsterX> Selecting nothing will do what it does now, just returning the labels to their original state.
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> if you make the original state we can make the labels blank, that is the quickest way to solve it
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> what did you use to reduce the quality of the screenshot examples?
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> trying to make them consistant
[19:18] <Red_HamsterX> "convert <png> -compress JPEG -quality 70 <same-name.jpg>"
[19:18] <Red_HamsterX> Requires imagemagick or graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[19:20] <Red_HamsterX> Do we want to show the user the list of approved screenshots or just exclude them entirely?
[19:20] <ubuntujenkins> exclude any approved ones
[19:20] <Red_HamsterX> It's currently set to exclude them, since there's no point in having them uploaded twice and making the list longer.
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> some how in a bzr add command i have added a quickshot.pot translation file
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> That'll be useful for 1.0.
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> I didn't make it though and it has almost nothing in it
[19:24] <Red_HamsterX> Probably better to leave it alone for now.
[19:25] <Red_HamsterX> Just in case some Glade attribute relies on it.
[19:25] <ubuntujenkins> that might be where it came from
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> pushed qr195
[19:26] <Red_HamsterX> I love how we're working around the bot.
[19:27] <humphreybc> poor manualbot
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> its a good work around
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> manualbot only gives us the wrong revision any way
[19:28] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins: Error: "only" is not a valid command.
[19:28] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> 12:28 < flan`kiwi> YUO, manualbot?
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> 12:28 <@PyRC> flan`kiwi, i ate a whole... .4lb block of code.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> That's what my bot has to say about it.
[19:28] <humphreybc> lol\
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> can we get manualbot to do a countdown to final release?
[19:29] <Red_HamsterX> There's no way it knows anything about that token, so it just generated a random sentence.
[19:29] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: it says something every minute... that'll get fun :P
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> that would be so anoying we would all use googlechat instead
[19:30] <Red_HamsterX> How does error escalation work in Quickshot?
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> I haven't done any error work on quickshot, theres the debug stuff you added
[19:32] <Red_HamsterX> Fair enough.
[19:32] <Red_HamsterX> I'll make the description label display an error message is the server is unreachable, then.
[19:33] <ubuntujenkins> sounds good to me
[19:34] <humphreybc> it's starting to get light...
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc, how have you got your home isp, where you post links done? Any good tutorials
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> jono uses windows 7
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> his choice, just a comment
[19:44] <humphreybc> lolwut
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> i was listening to his ustream and someone asked what was he running, he said windows 7 for his studio.
[19:45] <humphreybc> surprised I remember how to do that
[19:45] <ubuntujenkins> 314 minutes
[19:45] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, which button advances to the screencapture process?
[19:46] <humphreybc> Win 7 huh, I thought he used OS X for his studio stuff
[19:46] <Red_HamsterX> I want to disable it until a screenshot is selected.
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: i think screenshotinfo_next_button but the glade file is messed up
[19:47] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, that looks right.
[19:47] <Red_HamsterX> I just traced the function backwards.
[19:49] <humphreybc> If only one good thing comes out of this stuff, it's that I'm becoming very good at working with timezones and converting to/from UTC
[19:51] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: I can't see whats wrong with the glade file the program looks fine.
[19:51] <ubuntujenkins> when you run it that is
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> I'm just going to edit the XML directly. I don't think it's worth risking Glade failing at this point.
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> (I used to craft all GTK windows this way, if not by code directly)
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> same, I am not touching glade
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> i can't code xml
[19:53] <ubuntujenkins> but i understand some of it
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> It's not hard. Especially if it's properly indented.
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> The only thing is it gets annoying, having to type < and > over and over.
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> +that
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> Do you really want to omit the control box from the nautilus window-bar screencap?
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> no you can remove that part let them see it again
[19:57] <ubuntujenkins> i saw it removed today it looked strange
[19:58] <ubuntujenkins> qr196 pushed
[19:59] <ubuntujenkins> are we going to fork it so that we can make major changes in main and fix bugs in both?
[19:59] <Red_HamsterX> Why are you capturing the whole top-bar when you just want the help icons?
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i was asked to do this morning
[20:00] <Red_HamsterX> By whom?
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> to give it context by godbyk
[20:01] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, then.
[20:01] <ubuntujenkins> does the manual server sync with the quickshot branch regulary?
[20:02] <Red_HamsterX> Every half hour.
[20:03] <humphreybc> er that was awkward
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> sweet
[20:03] <humphreybc> I got a reply back from the full circle magazine podcast
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh... This is interesting... in a bad way.
[20:04] <humphreybc> they're keen for an interview buy might have mistaken me for someone else... they've given me an interview outline but it's all about lubuntu. O.o
[20:04] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[20:04] <Red_HamsterX> For some reason, the top panel isn't showing up in the help screencap, though it's appearing just fine in the full-screen one.
[20:04] <ubuntujenkins> may be i set it up wrong?
[20:05] <Red_HamsterX> No, your values look right.
[20:07] <Red_HamsterX> Somehow, my code is adding 24 to the top-offset...
[20:10] <ubuntujenkins> the window buttons one is also wrong
[20:11] <Red_HamsterX> Oh.
[20:11] <Red_HamsterX> Because the =fullscreen= property wasn't set.
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> thats my fault
[20:11] <Red_HamsterX> I didn't tell you about it.
[20:11] <Red_HamsterX> It only appears in a few case.
[20:11] <Red_HamsterX> cases*
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> its fixed now thats fine
[20:12] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, it looks good now.
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> whats left?
[20:13] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/get_latest.php?language=en&name=02-window-buttons
[20:13] <Red_HamsterX> I changed the values a bit and got that.
[20:13] <Red_HamsterX> Does it look like what you wanted?
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> idealy like the example down to the bottom of the box that says "icon view" its only suppose to show the window button placements
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> *top not bottom
[20:15] <Red_HamsterX> So stop after the 'File' row?
[20:15] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[20:16] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, that's done.
[20:16] <Red_HamsterX> REload that page.
[20:17] <ubuntujenkins> thats good thanks
[20:17] <ubuntujenkins> must not forget to point quickshot to the right server
[20:18] <humphreybc> does that shot need to be so wide?
[20:18] <humphreybc> you could probably halve it
[20:19] <humphreybc> also, how are we meant to get screenshots of the installation? Boot into Live CD and then run the installation from the desktop shortcut? does that work?
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: that was like that because godbyk asked for it please argue with him
[20:20] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: you shouldn't even have to click the shortcut
[20:20] <humphreybc> oh does it launch the installation stuff when you choose the screenshot?
[20:20] <humphreybc> I didn't test the installation stuff out
[20:20] <ubuntujenkins> when you choose the first instlation screenshot it will
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> i need to double check that
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> it does in theory
[20:21] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme commit my fixes.
[20:21] <humphreybc> man they fixed the gmail docky thing but now it uses 100% CPU
[20:28] <Red_HamsterX> All bugs patched with qr198.
[20:28] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: in response to your e-mail can women help?
[20:28] <humphreybc> huh?
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> Taken out of context, that would be a very sexist question.
[20:29] <humphreybc> yeah
[20:29] <humphreybc> what do you mean?
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> Ah.
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> I see.
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> "every single man"
[20:29] <humphreybc> oh right
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> Shame on you, humphreybc. :(
[20:29] <humphreybc> hardie har har
[20:30] <Red_HamsterX> Anything left to test/implement with Quickshot that we know about?
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> Aside from godbyk's server, I mean.
[20:31] <humphreybc> i guess you'll get a few bugs when people start using it for real on a variety of hardware
[20:32] <humphreybc> have you verified the live CD actually works?
[20:32] <humphreybc> does quickshot skip the user creation step for the quickshot Live CD?
[20:33] <Red_HamsterX> I have not tested the LiveCD yet.
[20:34] <Red_HamsterX> We'll need to make sure the production server is working properly before the CD can really be used.
[20:34] <Red_HamsterX> (If not, all it should be missing is Apache write permissions)
[20:34] <humphreybc> fair enough, godbyk will be here in about 30 mins I believe
[20:35] <Red_HamsterX> It looks like it's Querying Bazaar properly, which is good.
[20:35] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh.
[20:35] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, that's something we need to test.
[20:35] <humphreybc> looks like luke is having IRC problems :)
[20:36] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to pollute the en screencap branch for a moment.
[20:36] <ubuntujenkisn1> Red_HamsterX: can we point it at the production server then
[20:36] <ubuntujenkisn1> ok
[20:36] <Red_HamsterX> (By uploading some screenshots)
[20:36] <ubuntujenkisn1> I am having wifi problems
[20:36] <Red_HamsterX> (I'll remove them once I'm done)
[20:36] <humphreybc> oh yeah what happens if two people try to upload the same screenshot at the same time?
[20:36] <humphreybc> and how are multiple screenshots reviewed?
[20:37] <ubuntujenkisn1> I would like a quickshot review progam for the next release
[20:37] <humphreybc> we'll just add that to the list :P
[20:38] <Red_HamsterX> It's got second-level precision. The chances of two people uploading the same screenshot for the same language is virtually nil.
[20:38] <humphreybc> okay
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> There's no real review for multiple screenshots. We're trusting that people will not try to abuse the system, so the most recent one will always be correct.
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> In the event of a conflict, one of us will go through the data/ directory and pluck the one we want to use.
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> Or boot the CD and capture a proper one.
[20:39] <humphreybc> righto
[20:39] <Red_HamsterX> A review system would be nice, though.
[20:40] <humphreybc> so i suppose it's up to me now to find people to actually use this thing :P
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> But there are a lot of logistics involved. 1.0 fodder, that. =P
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> Well, I can capture a lot of screencaps...
[20:40] <Red_HamsterX> I've got a throwaway Cel I can repeatedly install on.
[20:41] <humphreybc> we have 800 fans on facebook that I plan to utilize
[20:41] <humphreybc> the trick is to make it enticing and ridiculously easy to use
[20:41] <Red_HamsterX> While promising fame.
[20:42] <humphreybc> hahaha
[20:42] <Red_HamsterX> Can't forget the allure of net-fame.
[20:42] <humphreybc> well I do need more photos
[20:42] <humphreybc> I was thinking to increase translations we make it into a competition
[20:42] <humphreybc> so languages vs other languages
[20:42] <humphreybc> you could have polish vs german for example
[20:42] <humphreybc> :)
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> am i ok to do some more live cd testing ?
[20:43] <humphreybc> the only thing is an incentive... what do they get if they win?
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> a virtual hug?
[20:43] <danyR>   somre freee ubuntu shirts?
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> a pat on the back from them selves?
[20:43] <humphreybc> hrm
[20:43] <humphreybc> ubuntu merchandise..
[20:43] <humphreybc> i'll talk to jono
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> i have some whilst you are there :P
[20:44] <humphreybc> lol
[20:44] <Red_HamsterX> Ah. I did make a mistake in the bzr branch checking code. Easy to fix, though.
[20:44] <humphreybc> okay i'm off to a meeting, back soon
[20:44] <Red_HamsterX> (Doesn't affect the client in any way)
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> I will be back in a bit off to a live cd
[20:51] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[20:51] <Red_HamsterX> No, you're not.
[20:51] <Red_HamsterX> We're going to need to do some testing against your server for Quickshot once I fix one more issue.
[20:52] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: Okey doke.
[20:52] <godbyk> I'm pulling bzr and going through emails and chat backlogs.
[20:54] <Red_HamsterX> qr199 pushed. Fixes server-side bzr lookup issue.
[20:54] <Red_HamsterX> Though ubuntujenkins isn't here to see that.
[20:56] <Red_HamsterX> qr199 pushed. Fixes server-side bzr lookup issue.
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: can you look at why the compare window has no icon i am sure i asigned one
[20:58] <Red_HamsterX> Ooh. LiveCD screenshot. Yay.
[20:58] <Red_HamsterX> Did it launch properly?
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> it did launch perfectly
[20:59] <Red_HamsterX> Yay.
[20:59] <Red_HamsterX> I'll look into the icon issue after adding a few steps to the dictionary file.
[20:59] <Red_HamsterX> (Telling people to close windows before capturing the network stuff)
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> thanks, i am so sure i did it
[21:00] <godbyk> What's with the '2 revisions removed from the branch' email re: ubuntu-manual?
[21:01] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: there is something not right if i choose partion i get instructions for the keyboard screenshot
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> and the keyboard one is wrong
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> they are all muddled up
[21:03] <ubuntujenkins> the 03-autoeth one needs adjusting to the left more
[21:03] <Red_HamsterX> How far left?
[21:04] <Red_HamsterX> You'll need to fix the installation instructions.
[21:04] <Red_HamsterX> I just guessed.
[21:04] <Red_HamsterX> You definitely set the icon property...
[21:04] <ubuntujenkins> I haev just uploaded the autoeth one have a look but about 40 plx probably
[21:04] <ubuntujenkins> I though i had
[21:05] <ubuntujenkins> I am going back to a normal user now
[21:05] <Red_HamsterX> Ah, because you have a battery icon.
[21:05] <Red_HamsterX> I should account for the Bluetooth icon, too.
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> ok for the screenshots that i had left it appeared to be ok, when you have  finished editing the dictonary i will sort out the installation stuff
[21:10] <Red_HamsterX> Feel free to do it now.
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> ok
[21:10] <Red_HamsterX> (We wouldn't have been editing the same sections anyway, so there would have been no conflict)
[21:12] <Red_HamsterX> Pushing
[21:12] <Red_HamsterX> Icon issue fixed.
[21:12] <Red_HamsterX> Seems the icon_name property is incompatible with the icon property.
[21:12] <Red_HamsterX> I used title instead.
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> wow we are on qr202
[21:13] <godbyk> Do you guys need me to do anything on the server side?
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> pushed qr203
[21:14] <Red_HamsterX> Can you make sure Apache has write-access to the data/ directory, godbyk?
[21:14] <Red_HamsterX> That's the only thing we should need you to take care of.
[21:14] <Red_HamsterX> (Yes, I'm well aware of the stupidity of making a directory inside of a projectroot writable)
[21:15] <Red_HamsterX> project root*
[21:15] <ubuntujenkins> so whats left?
[21:15] <godbyk> It should inherit the permissions from the bzr repository. But I'll double-check.
[21:15] <Red_HamsterX> Just testing godbyk's server and some of the RTL languages, I think.
[21:16] <Red_HamsterX> I'm gonna try Arabic now.
[21:16] <Red_HamsterX> To make sure things aren't horribly super-way-off.
[21:16] <ubuntujenkins> sweet i will try some now as well
[21:16] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: I've given data 775 permissions. I'm not sure if that's enough or not. If you run into problems, holler at me.
[21:17] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, I onl;y have English on my test system... What's the package names for languages?
[21:18] <Red_HamsterX> godbyk, 775 is perfect, thanks. :)
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> language-pack-gnome-*
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> where * is a code
[21:18] <Red_HamsterX> 'Kay.
[21:20] <Red_HamsterX> Installing -ar and -ja
[21:21] <Red_HamsterX> Hmm... ar has a lot of locales...
[21:23] <Red_HamsterX> And we seem to have a problem...
[21:23] <Red_HamsterX> I'm using Japanese, but Quickshot thinks I'm using English.
[21:24] <ubuntujenkins> I thought titeuf had sorted that
[21:24] <Red_HamsterX> I thought so, too.
[21:25] <Red_HamsterX> Gah. I'll need to add a few exceptions to his code.
[21:25] <Red_HamsterX> He's dropping all dialects.
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> which file are you looking at?
[21:27] <Red_HamsterX> bin/quickshot
[21:27] <Red_HamsterX> I've added exceptions.
[21:27] <Red_HamsterX> Line 326.
[21:27] <Red_HamsterX> Push complete.
[21:28] <Red_HamsterX> Unfortunately, they're hardcoded exceptions (we'll need to create some sort of config file for clients that can be downloaded from the server to filter languages for 1.0)
[21:29] <jorgetb> hello, are you working on the writting freeze?
[21:29] <Red_HamsterX> Most of us are, yes.
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> ok Red_HamsterX we need an etherpad list
[21:30] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins and I are working on a related project, though, so don't pay much attention to our conversation.
[21:30] <jorgetb> I have found a phrase that I guess it is not correct
[21:30] <jorgetb> in page 102
[21:30] <jorgetb> the last sentence
[21:30] <jorgetb> it seems that is not finished
[21:30] <Red_HamsterX> humphreybc, are you around to field this one?
[21:31] <Red_HamsterX> ...Wha? Based on titeuf's code, this stuff should be working...
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> o i am testing the locals on a live cd it appears that on my physical machine they are messed up
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> i have no copy of quickshot on the live cd yet
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk can you help jorgetb ?
[21:36] <jorgetb> I just send a bug report
[21:36] <godbyk> sure. lemme look.
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[21:36] <jorgetb> thanks
[21:37] <godbyk> jorgetb: on the copyright page toward the front of the manual, which revision are you looking at?
[21:37] <jorgetb> 674
[21:37] <godbyk> thanks.
[21:37] <godbyk> let me recompile my copy of the manual and I'll take a look.
[21:38] <jorgetb> it seems that should finish with the word button, but in my revision the sentence finish with the word close
[21:38] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, I wonder if Python is somehow setting a different locale value since we don't have translation stuff enabled...
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> thats a possiblity
[21:38] <Red_HamsterX> Committed a better detection routine, but it's still broken.
[21:39] <godbyk> jorgetb: It looks like the current revision has edited that paragraph to say:
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> this affects the whole project uploads and evr
[21:39] <godbyk> "If you want to synchronize the notes again click \menu{Tools} and click \menu{Synchronize Notes}.
[21:39] <godbyk> Your notes will start synchronizing, when they are done, click the \button{close}
[21:39] <godbyk> button."
[21:39] <godbyk> Does that look better?
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> *every thing
[21:39] <godbyk> (Ignoring the \commands.)
[21:39] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, yes. This qualifies as critical.
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> ...Okay...
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggg
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> It actually works fine if I run it using quickly.
[21:40] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe the problem is with the run-from-login stuff.
[21:41]  * Red_HamsterX is glad most of the interface is in kana, or he'd be rather lost.
[21:42]  * godbyk would still be lost
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> Although I do have another syste right next to it to use as a reference.
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> system*
[21:42] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, logging in = English, but running from a terminal = Japanese...
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> well what about not auto opening?
[21:44] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: not sure if it helps at all, but the for the language codes, in my script, I first try to match the full language code and if that fails, chop off the _locale bit and try to match again. If that fails, then I fall back on English.
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> the local must be set after we do quickly run in the .profile file
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> if you want a package i can send you one Red_HamsterX
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> That's what we're doing here, too, godbyk.
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> Unfortunately, while a good idea, it's not the problem we're seeing.
[21:45] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: ah, ignore me then. :)
[21:45] <Red_HamsterX> The propblem seems to be that $LANG is set to en while Quickshot is being launched by the .profile stuff.
[21:46] <Red_HamsterX> Will everyone using Quickshot conceivably be either us or using the package, ubuntujenkins?
[21:46] <Red_HamsterX> If so, then sure, let's try that.
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> Or I could just add the PPA if that's sufficiently up-to-date.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> the ppa is out of date whats your e-mail?
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> qr205 accounts for pt_BR and the three Chinese variants.
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> red.hamsterx@gmail.com works.
[21:47] <Red_HamsterX> Or neil.tallim@, if you prefer.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> just building it
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: sent to red.hamsterx e-mail
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> I can't believe how messed up my computer is
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> I can't do a clean install for at least 3 weeks
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> this might explain my messed up pc  GNOME 2.30 being uploaded. Packages are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet.  form #ubuntu+1
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> the cd is ok though
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> THREE HOURS PEOPLE
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> DON'T PANICK
[21:56]  * Red_HamsterX logs out and installs.
[21:57] <godbyk> I'm spell-checking the entire manual.
[21:59] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme know if you notice any chapters you'd like me to try to go over in the remaining time, godbyk. I think the language thing will resolve itself with the package.
[21:59] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: I'm not sure what chapters need proofreading the most a this point, but you might just skim through the PDF and spot-check some things.
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> right i am swapping to the wifi brb
[22:08] <ubuntujenkins> lets see how long i can stay connected
[22:08] <Red_HamsterX> So the installed-from-package version still sets up the Quickshot user to launch Quickshot on login...
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> that can be removed i will look up the line numbers
[22:09] <Red_HamsterX> But running it from the menu works fine under ja.
[22:10]  * Red_HamsterX captures Japanese-y IPv4 config.
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> I will remove the auto login lines
[22:11] <Red_HamsterX> Two screenshots uploaded.
[22:12]  * Red_HamsterX goes with UAE Arabic.
[22:12] <Red_HamsterX> GAH! RIGHT-TO-LEFT!
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> CONFUSING AND SCARY!
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> Whoa... Okay, this could be bad...
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> The *entire* interface is mirrored.
[22:14] <Red_HamsterX> The Gnome menu's in the top right.
[22:14] <Red_HamsterX> Network manager and stuff are in the top left.
[22:17] <Red_HamsterX> I can only assume the sheer terror caused his connection to give out.
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> godbyk, do you have a list of all RTL languages we're working with?
[22:19] <Red_HamsterX> I might be able to make Quickshot just flip its co-ordinates to deal with this easily...
[22:19] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: I don't.  I haven't worked on the RTL format yet.
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe Gnome has a flag...
[22:20] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins~ Panic time~
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> right back on a wired connection looks like i will be sleeping on the floor to night
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> why?
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> RTL languages mean RTL interface.
[22:21] <Red_HamsterX> We need to find a way to determine whether a given language is RTL in Gnome so I can flip screne co-ordinates for sub-rects to work properly.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> dam i see you point
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> if we have a list of languages that are rtl can't we just test against that?
[22:23] <ubuntujenkins> add a varible trl=true there for flip it all?
[22:23] <Red_HamsterX> Not reliably, unless we want to try booting all 52 of them to be sure.
[22:23] <Red_HamsterX> Gnome has to provide some sort of hint...
[22:24] <godbyk> Can you query ICU or some language/locale database about that RTL property?
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> surely there is a list on wikipedia
[22:24] <Red_HamsterX> I'm sure there is. But we need to know which ones Gnome flips.
[22:29] <godbyk> There's got to be some bidi flag you can check or something.
[22:30] <Red_HamsterX> "bidi"?
[22:30] <Red_HamsterX> Any points are welcome.
[22:31] <Red_HamsterX> pointers*
[22:33] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: something like this? http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkwidget.html#method-gtkwidget--set-direction
[22:33] <godbyk> (still digging for ya.)
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> there must be something in the python-pybabel package
[22:37] <Red_HamsterX> This is WM-layer, ubuntujenkins.
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> That might be enough to go on, godbyk.
[22:38] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks.
[22:38] <godbyk> this doesn't sound good: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/446989/comments/6  not sure if it's at all relevant though.
[22:38] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 446989 in ubiquity "ubiquity slideshow doesn't support RTL" [Medium,Fix released]
[22:39] <Red_HamsterX> That won't affect Quickshot, fortunately.
[22:39] <Daker> godbyk, http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/03/31/using-foxit-because-you-think-its-safer-than-adobe-reader-thin/
[22:39] <humphreybc> i'm back
[22:39] <humphreybc> long meeting
[22:39] <humphreybc> my back is really quite sore from sitting in my computer chair for too long
[22:39] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: true, but I'm hoping that the 'there's no easy way to detect RTL' doesn't apply globally.
[22:40] <godbyk> Daker: nice! I'll update our manual accordingly. <evil grin>
[22:41] <Daker> ;)
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> Good point...
[22:41] <Red_HamsterX> Well, if it *is* crippling, we have one workaround...
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> crop manauly?
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> Reconfigure my server to serve RTL co-ords and capture the problematic screenshots internally.
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> We could do that before it becomes an issue.
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> Like, start burning through them tomorrow.
[22:43] <Red_HamsterX> So the RTL users never get a chance to see them.
[22:43] <humphreybc> what's the problem?
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> Launch Ubuntu in Arabic.
[22:44] <humphreybc> I'd rather not, does it look crazy?
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> Mirror image.
[22:44] <humphreybc> lovely
[22:44] <Red_HamsterX> Not so good for automatic cropping.
[22:44] <humphreybc> heh
[22:44] <humphreybc> this is a problem :P
[22:45] <Red_HamsterX> It's not insurmountable, but we need to know which languages are affected or determine when we're in an RTL context so we can flip some numbers.
[22:45] <Red_HamsterX> Fortunately, Quickshot is affected by the issue on a few fields (which looks hideous), so with the API reference godbyk found, we might be able to exploit that to implement a fast workaround.
[22:46] <Red_HamsterX> (Yes, I'm proposing leaving what would be considered a display bug in place so we can avoid a larger problem)
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[22:47] <Red_HamsterX> That's what it looks like on tabular fields.
[22:47] <Red_HamsterX> Anything packed into an hbox, actually.
[22:48] <Red_HamsterX> Implementing RTL-detection stuff now...
[22:49] <Daker> godbyk, http://blog.didierstevens.com/2010/03/29/escape-from-pdf/
[22:50] <godbyk> http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/bidi
[22:51] <godbyk> brb
[23:04] <ubuntujenkins> I think 4 screenshots are effected if i make the daily ppa point at your server neil we can use that
[23:05] <Red_HamsterX> I've got a fix, I think.
[23:05] <Red_HamsterX> I just need to finish writing and testing it.
[23:06] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[23:07] <ubuntujenkins> just making small commit
[23:08] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot qr207 pushed
[23:11] <Red_HamsterX> Can you make sure I'm not being stupid with a quick math check?
[23:11] <Red_HamsterX> n *= -1
[23:11] <Red_HamsterX> n += 1
[23:12] <Red_HamsterX> If 'n' is the left value, that'll be guaranteed to flip it to the other side, right?
[23:12] <Red_HamsterX> Where -1 is the right-most edge and 0 is left-most.
[23:12] <Red_HamsterX> So if left is 10, then -11 is its opposite.
[23:12] <Red_HamsterX> n -= 1*
[23:12] <Red_HamsterX> Not +=.
[23:13] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, looks right to me.
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> I think it makes sense it is late here
[23:13] <Red_HamsterX> The hack is to see if the screenshot list is being rendered RTL, then translate the co-ordinates with that math if it is.
[23:14] <Red_HamsterX> (For sub-rects only)
[23:14] <Red_HamsterX> YAY!
[23:14] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[23:14] <godbyk> Had to get dinner started.
[23:14]  * Red_HamsterX does a dance of happy.
[23:14] <Red_HamsterX> Thank you, godbyk!
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> Go Red_HamsterX
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> and godbyk
[23:15] <godbyk> for what?
[23:15] <Red_HamsterX> That function's counterpart works.
[23:15] <Red_HamsterX> The one you found in PyGTK's APIs.
[23:15] <godbyk> oh, the get_direction or get_text_direction method?
[23:15] <godbyk> nice.
[23:16] <Red_HamsterX> Patch applied...
[23:16] <Red_HamsterX> Code pulled...
[23:16] <Red_HamsterX> Committing.
[23:17] <Red_HamsterX> Pushed.
[23:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: What's missing from the conventions section in the prologue?
[23:18] <Red_HamsterX> qr208 fixes RTL.
[23:18] <ubuntujenkins> thank goodness are we ready to release?
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> I want to test it with Hebrew first.
[23:19] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> (And then French, ot make sure I didn't break things)
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> And then we need to test against godbyk's server, unless you changed the code for that already.
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> In which case, I'll be testing against it with Hebrew and French.
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> ...What's the code for Hrbrew?
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> he
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> he
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> i forgot the testing with godbyk
[23:21] <Red_HamsterX> Weird... su presents an Arabic prompt, but sudo presents an English one.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> Hebrew has funky terminal highlighting.
[23:35] <Red_HamsterX> http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/get_latest.php?language=he&name=03-firefox-preferences So... weird...
[23:36] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, well. Time for French.
[23:36]  * Red_HamsterX likes languages he can speak.
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> wow that is weird i can't speak that
[23:37] <Red_HamsterX> Afte the other languages, French feels comfortable.
[23:37] <Red_HamsterX> Okay, so what's the flag to use godbyk's server?
[23:37] <Red_HamsterX> So I can get that out of the way.
[23:38] <ubuntujenkins> -s
[23:39] <ubuntujenkins> i think
[23:40] <Red_HamsterX> It's queryable.
[23:41] <Red_HamsterX> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/get_latest.php?language=fr&name=03-empathy-new-account Whoo!
[23:42] <Red_HamsterX> I just need to make one reference screencap change and we're ready to go.
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> woo
[23:42] <humphreybc> so, 1 hour 20 mins
[23:42] <semioticrobotic> *sweating*
[23:42] <humphreybc> haha
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins>  hour, 17 minutes and 22 seconds until Thursday, 1 April 201
[23:42] <humphreybc> oh yeah semioticrobotic I need a photo of you
[23:42] <ubuntujenkins> *1
[23:42] <semioticrobotic> I sent one to you!
[23:42] <humphreybc> thanks for that highly accurate countdown
[23:42] <humphreybc> you did?
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> yep
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> email
[23:43] <ubuntujenkins> we need it :P
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> I can send it again, though
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> no big deal
[23:43] <humphreybc> what was the file name?
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> ummm....not sure
[23:43] <semioticrobotic> something generic
[23:43]  * humphreybc has lost track of who's sent them or not
[23:43] <humphreybc> what do you look like?
[23:43] <Red_HamsterX> Say "serial killer"
[23:44] <semioticrobotic> just sent it again
[23:44] <humphreybc> ah!
[23:44] <humphreybc> i have got that one
[23:44] <semioticrobotic> (figured that was easiet)
[23:44] <humphreybc> that's good then
[23:44] <humphreybc> sure
[23:44] <semioticrobotic> er, easiest
[23:45] <semioticrobotic> Look like?  White dude, 27, black glasses, posing with the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man from Ghostbusters
[23:45] <Red_HamsterX> Uh oh. godbyk, your PHP build doesn't support the ZipArchive extensions.
[23:46] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: Hrm.. I have a custom build I've used for some other sites. I'll see if it does. (And if it does, I'll set it up to use the custom build.)
[23:46] <godbyk> one moment.
[23:46] <Red_HamsterX> If it doesn't, we can work around that,
[23:47] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: http://greenspace.godby.org/phpinfo.php  Does this support what you need?
[23:47] <Red_HamsterX> I can just give you a script that does the same thing and we can grab the zipfiles from data/ ourselves.
[23:47] <semioticrobotic> what happens to all us editor-types after writing freeze?
[23:47] <godbyk> I can recompile a custom php sometime, but it probably won't be in the next hour. :)
[23:47] <Red_HamsterX> Lemme check mine for comparison.
[23:47] <godbyk> semioticrobotic: we collapse due to exhaustion?
[23:47]  * semioticrobotic laughs
[23:48] <semioticrobotic> I can handle that
[23:48] <godbyk> We're going to branch so we can continue editing and writing for the next edition.
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> zip
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> Zip => enabled
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> Extension Version => $Id: php_zip.c,v 1.1.2.50 2009/03/01 17:35:25 iliaa Exp $
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> Zip version => 1.8.11
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> Libzip version => 0.9.0
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> I don't see it in yours.
[23:48] <Red_HamsterX> I need that.
[23:48] <semioticrobotic> godbyk: nice!  good idea
[23:48] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: figures.
[23:48] <humphreybc> okay what can I do to help fellas?
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> Again, I can just write a script that does the same thing.
[23:49] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: can we work around it for now and wait 'til I get a free moment to recompile php?
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> we don't need that for a few days right ?
[23:49] <godbyk> Do we need the zip stuff immediately or is that just for after screenshots have been taken?
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> Not until we're ready to start compiling the manual, ubuntujenkins.
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> It's just part of the export process.
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i thought
[23:49] <godbyk> okay. so no need to panic on that one, then.
[23:49] <humphreybc> btw everyone, we were mentioned on the UK podcast again this week
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> I can write a PHP file that'll use tar or something to the same effect.
[23:49] <godbyk> I'll recompile php at some point and have you tell me which options you want.
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> As long as I only commit changes against the server-side stuff, nothing'll break.
[23:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: in a good way? :)
[23:50] <humphreybc> just listening to it now
[23:50] <Red_HamsterX> Zip is the only non-standard option I require.
[23:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: link? I'll listen along.
[23:50] <humphreybc> I think it's a good way yes
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> listening now as well
[23:50] <humphreybc> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/download/uupc_s03e04_high.mp3
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: are we going to branch? and commit fixes in both branches?
[23:51] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: Great!  We got a nod on FullCircle, too, which was the reason I've been in touch with those folks -- just wrote them to say thanks
[23:51] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: we did? I got an email from someone from there
[23:51] <humphreybc> but they seemed to think we were Lubuntu
[23:51] <semioticrobotic> Lubuntu?
[23:51] <semioticrobotic> hmmmm ... that's odd
[23:51] <humphreybc> yeah, derivitave of ubuntu using LXDE
[23:52] <humphreybc> i replied, haven't got back to me yet
[23:52] <humphreybc> we'll see
[23:52] <semioticrobotic> I don't know why they would have confused us with that project
[23:52] <semioticrobotic> well, thanks for following up
[23:52] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, I kinda think we should take the month for planning, rather than development. To do this right, we're going to need to refactor everything, take stock of all that we've learned, and build it in a consistent, uniform fashion again. (reusing as much code as possible, of course)
[23:52] <semioticrobotic> we'll get them straightened out :)
[23:52] <Red_HamsterX> We can probably hold off on branching until we know what we want to do.
[23:52] <ubuntujenkins> kk wounds like a plan
[23:52] <ubuntujenkins> *sounds
[23:52] <Red_HamsterX> Plus, that'll give us only one place in which to fix bugs.
[23:52] <Red_HamsterX> Plans are painful, yes.
[23:53] <ubuntujenkins> true it is easier
[23:53] <godbyk> dinner's ready. brb.
[23:53] <semioticrobotic> dinner time for me, as well
[23:53] <Red_HamsterX> Same here.
[23:53] <semioticrobotic> just wanted to pop in and celebrate writing freeze with everyone
[23:53] <Red_HamsterX> One hour 'til beta and everyone's gone. :)
[23:53] <semioticrobotic> :)
[23:54] <ubuntujenkins> anna nelson to talk to
[23:54] <ubuntujenkins> according to ubuntu uk podcast
[23:54] <semioticrobotic> good luck everyone!
[23:54] <humphreybc> UMP stuff is on at 1:01:50 or so
[23:55] <semioticrobotic> (humphreybc : let me know via email if you still have trouble receiving my picture)
[23:55] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: don't worry i've got it now
[23:55] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: great!  talk to you later.
[23:59] <humphreybc> how's the manual going? are we ready for writing freeze?
[23:59] <godbyk> humphreybc: back.
[23:59] <godbyk> listening to podcast while I eat dinner.
[23:59] <humphreybc> righto. the bit about our thing is quite short