=== rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === jamie is now known as Guest30417 === Guest30417 is now known as JamieBennett === wet-chan is now known as wet [14:57] * nealmcb o/ [15:00] o/ [15:00] \o [15:00] ~o~ [15:00] much easier now that it is DST here :) [15:00] mathiaz, kirkland: ? [15:01] o/ [15:01] /o [15:01] \o [15:01] ttx: right here [15:01] nealmcb: hey, long time no see [15:01] kirkland: good morning Texas ! [15:01] ttx indeed - nice to be here [15:01] so, zul is having a dentist appointment and will probably miss the start of this [15:01] and jib is in a plane to... Poland. [15:02] So let's get started ! [15:02] #startmeeting [15:02] Meeting started at 09:02. The chair is ttx. [15:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:02] Welcome to the Ubuntu Server team meeting [15:02] Agenda is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [15:02] Today's scribe is: mathiaz ! [15:02] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:02] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:03] Only one action, mathiaz to discuss with cjwatson about ubuntu-server upload team [15:03] ttx: not done [15:03] ttx: replace cjwatson with persia [15:03] mathiaz: maybe we shouldn't have it as an ACTION todo before the next meeting ? [15:03] ttx: ok [15:04] if you think you won't have time to complete it by next week, I don't see the point :) [15:04] mathiaz: Keep it warm in your GTD ? [15:04] ttx: it is [15:04] ttx: just lots other stuff there as well [15:04] [TOPIC] Beta2 status [15:04] New Topic: Beta2 status [15:05] So tomorrow, Beta2Freeze will be upon us [15:05] which means today is probably the last moment to get your non-exceptional fixes in [15:05] Starting tomorrow, they will require a BetaFreezeException. [15:06] Remaining beta2-targeted bugs: [15:06] bug 292971 (mathiaz) [15:06] Launchpad bug 292971 in libnss-ldap "nscd leaking memory using libnss-ldap" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292971 [15:06] ttx: that will probably require a BetaFreezeException [15:06] mathiaz: ack [15:06] ttx: as I don't plan to work on it before tomorrow [15:07] (tomorrow is the second MySQL bug zap day) [15:07] bug 493593 (zul) [15:07] Launchpad bug 493593 in scgi "MIR for paste." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/493593 [15:07] arg - s/tomorrow/today/ [15:07] and bug 408402 (zul) [15:07] Launchpad bug 408402 in facter "Main Inclusion Report for facter." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408402 [15:07] Those are MIR bugs that still need to progress on some deps [15:08] A recent search turned out a few bugs milestoned to beta2 but not targeted to lucid [15:08] LP downtime prevented me from triaging them === jamie is now known as JamieBennett [15:09] I think at least one of them will fall into our plate: [15:09] bug 532733 (kirkland) [15:09] Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 [15:09] ttx: that probably won't be mine [15:09] ttx: that'll be lool or ogra [15:09] ah [15:09] ok [15:09] ttx: i'm happy to help them [15:09] ttx: but it's very specific to their use case [15:10] ok, I'll ping you if there is anything left on that list that we need to care for before Freeze or Release [15:10] Looking at Beta2-targeted work items [15:10] on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html [15:10] I think all the work items that needed to be completed before the Freeze were done [15:11] with maybe the exception of: [15:11] puppet/uec-ec2: integrate upstream patches for testsuite [15:11] id-mgt-ref-env: apockage latest sssd [15:11] ttx: I may have time to do that [15:11] ttx: (ie puppet patches) [15:12] ttx: upstream closed all the bugs yesterday stating there is a patch available [15:12] mathiaz: ah, good news [15:12] ttx: if I don't get it done by beta2 freeze, I'll postpone it to final [15:12] mathiaz: package sssd -> postponed ? [15:12] ttx: as fixing the test suite is not beta2 critical [15:13] ttx: sssd yes - If I don't have the time to do it [15:13] ttx: today [15:13] ok [15:13] Otherwise I think we are on track for Beta2, if you think you aren't, please shout now. [15:13] kirkland: note that I added a libvirt 0.7.7 compatibility test work item to the euca spec [15:13] to reflect the ongoing discussion with jdstrand [15:14] ttx: i'm meeting up with jdstrand on thursday to work on libvirt [15:14] (can be done post-Freeze) [15:14] kirkland: cool ! [15:14] ttx: yeah, planning on spending a full day on libvirt [15:14] New for Beta 2 we now have RC2 of clamav 0.96. Unless something major comes up this will be their last RC before they release, so if anyone cares about clamav, now's a good time for testing (packages for earlier releases in the ubuntu-clamav PPA). [15:14] ttx: if anyone else wants to help with libvirt testing this week, sync up with me and jdstrand ;-) [15:15] ScottK: ack [15:15] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:15] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:15] hggdh: hi ! [15:15] hi, life is good. A question [15:16] stress and stability tests for UEC -- mathiaz's tests are enough? [15:16] If so, I am done with B1 [15:16] hggdh: do you mean the multi_config tests? [15:16] yes [15:16] hggdh: I think so... unless kirkland or mathiaz have hidden tests up their sleeves [15:16] hggdh: ie starting 20 instances and make sure they all work? [15:17] mathiaz: I ran with 20, 40, 100, 300 [15:17] * kirkland high fives hggdh [15:17] * hggdh blushes [15:17] hggdh: great - that should do it for stress/scalability tests [15:17] :) [15:17] hggdh: if you got 300 instances running, you've been me :-) [15:17] beaten [15:17] hggdh: have you gone through all the topologies? [15:17] 2 to go through [15:18] so I am (yet) not done [15:18] Should we plan to run the multi-network topology by hand ? [15:18] hggdh: multi-network being one of them? [15:18] ttx: for the time being yes [15:18] ok [15:19] mathiaz: yes. multi-network is higjly hand-driven [15:19] ttx: I may be able to deploy it on the UEC test rig [15:19] kirkland: you managed to run a CC with 2 NICs on your setup ? [15:19] ttx: i have not [15:20] kirkland: I suggest you go and buy a USB Gb NIC [15:20] if that's the blocker [15:20] ttx: okay, so I should focus on testing multi-network at this point? [15:20] kirkland: I wouldn't say "focus", but having the ability to run that test would be good [15:21] kirkland: otherwise it sounds like I'm the only one to test that. [15:21] ttx: well, it's a time-consuming effort, so if it's something i need to work on, it will need to be my "focus" [15:21] kirkland: libvirt has more priority [15:21] ttx: i have the hardware to do so, I believe [15:21] ttx: okay, thanks, that's what I needed [15:21] hggdh: I had a question for you about Beta2 ISO testcases. Any way we can preview what you plan to have for beta2, so that we can fix testcases and report issues ? [15:22] hggdh: in particular, I mentioned having tests for UEC install topologies in the ISo tracker for amd64 [15:22] hggdh: is that done, any way to preview it ? [15:23] ttx, no changes from what is already there, no time [15:23] hggdh: is the plan to change those before beta2 ? [15:23] got my hands full figuring out how uec runs [15:23] hggdh: do you need our help ? [15:24] hggdh: could someone else working on the tracker (ara ?) help ? [15:24] right now I am finally -- I think -- getting it [15:24] hggdh: if the cases are created, I can certainly document them. [15:24] ttx will do them today. This is why I also asked if the stress tests were done for B1 [15:24] ok [15:25] hggdh: keep me posted... [15:25] anything else for QA ? [15:25] no, not right now [15:25] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:25] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:25] hggdh: thanks [15:25] jjohansen: hi [15:25] hi [15:26] fixes for Bug #540378, Bug #527208 have gone into the beta2 kernel [15:26] Launchpad bug 540378 in linux-ec2 "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 66s! [swapper:0]" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540378 [15:26] Launchpad bug 527208 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527208 [15:27] jjohansen: great ! any reason why the bugs are not marked fixed yet ? You need to upload them ? [15:27] no promise that it will fix all soft lockups as they are caused by a variety of things but they shouldn't happen near as often [15:27] ttx: hrrm, I have to check into that, they were just sucked in yesterday [15:28] 2/part [15:28] jjohansen: if they are in the pipe, I'm happy with it [15:28] anything else from/to kernel ? [15:29] I can't think of anything on my end [15:29] ok, thanks ! [15:29] [TOPIC] Server Papercuts status for beta2 [15:29] New Topic: Server Papercuts status for beta2 [15:29] So we are nearing the end of the Server papercuts effort [15:29] as a papercut is not a valid BetaFreezeException motivation [15:30] Status at: https://launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+milestone/lucid-beta-2 [15:30] We have 8 bugs fixed (the inprogress one will move to fixreleased as soon as LP unfreezes) [15:30] 1 invalid, 2 left open [15:31] feel free to try to fix the 2 last "confirmed" ones if you have the time [15:31] We'll discuss at UDS-M how successful it was and if we should do it again, even on non-LTS cycles [15:32] I think it failed to motivate new contrributors, but still had a positive effect overrall [15:32] Comments on that ? [15:33] ttx: we should discuss on UDS-M how to motivate them contributors [15:33] ttx: +1 for another discussion at UDS [15:33] ttx: I take it we don't accept new papercuts now? [15:33] hggdh: yes. it's a more global "server community" discussion, I suspect [15:33] ttx: we clearly need to investigate how to motivate our community [15:33] nijaba: we won't consider any new ones [15:34] ttx: thanks for confirming [15:34] nijaba: for lucid [15:34] ttx: i have a similar feeling about the bug-zapping effort [15:34] nijaba: nominating them could be useful if we decide to pursue the effort for M [15:34] good transition ! [15:34] [TOPIC] Bugzapping status (kirkland) [15:34] New Topic: Bugzapping status (kirkland) [15:34] ttx: we really smoked eucalyptus, euca2ools, cloud-utils, and cloud-init bugs last week [15:35] ttx: was a really successful, focused week of bug fixing [15:35] so it was a "cloud" smoke [15:35] ttx: yeah, like Lost [15:35] * kirkland is going to shave his head like John Locke [15:35] :-) [15:35] kirkland: did you have external contributors to this one ? [15:35] ttx: this week, as I said, I'm planning on spending at least all day Thursday on Libvirt [15:35] ttx: no :-( [15:36] ttx: but we did focus on euca* cloud* and we do have a better UEC because of the intense focus, I believe [15:36] mathiaz: did you get some external help on the bugday portion of the mysql bugzap ? [15:36] ttx: pedro and zul helped in triagging bugs [15:37] * ttx remembers having two external people helping for the samba bugday part of the samba bugzapping [15:38] kirkland: do you plan to run something for week 23 ? [15:38] (next week) [15:38] ttx: i don't think so [15:39] ttx: unless you or someone else has a suggestion [15:39] kirkland: freezes are not the best moment to do so anyway [15:39] ttx: i just don't think it's generated the participation that we're hoping [15:39] ttx: though it has stabilized the packages we need to be stable [15:39] ok. [15:39] ttx: i think my time will be better spent crushing beta2 blockers [15:39] ttx: okay by you? [15:40] kirkland: yes, and catching the overlooked critical bug in a sea of bug reports [15:40] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [15:40] New Topic: Weekly SRU review (mathiaz) [15:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review [15:41] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [15:41] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [15:41] ^^ anything SRU worth on this list? [15:42] * ttx wonders why the openldap upgrade bugs don't show up in the list [15:42] ttx: the list is generated on Sunday night IIRC [15:42] ah [15:42] that will be next week topic, then :) [15:43] ttx: yes [15:43] nothing from me, then ;) [15:43] there are two bugs nominated for karmic: [15:43] bug 392190 [15:43] Launchpad bug 392190 in vm-builder "vmbuilder fails silently when providing invalid hostname" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/392190 [15:43] bug 502490 [15:43] Launchpad bug 502490 in vm-builder "ec2-init overwrites user/vmbuilder provided /etc/apt/sources.list" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502490 [15:44] first one needs to be fixed in Lucid first [15:44] smoser: what's your opinion on the second one, any value in backporting as a karmic SRU ? [15:45] hmm.... [15:45] i could go either way. [15:45] i dont think its terribly, terribly important. [15:45] as there are many work arounds, like using sources.list.d [15:45] ok - I'll decline both bugs then [15:46] mathiaz: you're done ? [15:46] yes [15:46] [TOPIC] Information about server survey (nijaba) [15:46] New Topic: Information about server survey (nijaba) [15:46] nijaba: o/ [15:46] ttx: that was for the meeting that was cancelled [15:47] and it doesn't make sense anymore ? [15:47] since that I guess you've seen my email in the ml [15:47] ok :) [15:47] nijaba: so we rock more, right ? [15:47] it was juste to annoucne that the full results are available to anyone in the community that might need it [15:47] ttx: we rock HARD [15:47] :) [15:48] ok, let's rock even harder [15:49] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [15:49] New Topic: Open Discussion [15:49] ttx: question: should I keep on testing UEC on daily? [15:49] hggdh: if that can be done at a lesser cost, that would be great to spot regressions [15:50] hggdh: if it's fully automated and doesn't require your constant attention, I'd say yes [15:50] ttx: I think we should have a session at UDS on what we want 12.04 to look like, so we have an idea of longer term stuff we need to start on now. [15:50] I think *now* it is less cost, the most difficult was to understand the setup and UEC itself [15:50] ScottK: that's a very good point. [15:50] hggdh: note that daily are not always functional [15:51] Discuss anything that would span multiple releases, as well as what needs to be done for the next 6 months [15:52] hggdh: what needs to be done is the post-milestone validation and the pre-milestone candidate testing. Anything else (like testing all dailies) is bonus points [15:52] (what needs to be done is tracked in the spec) [15:53] ok, let's wrap up, if nobody else has any comment [15:54] Announce next meeting date and time : same time, same place, next week. [15:54] I gather DST makes this time slightly more convenient ? [15:54] (less) [15:54] (equal) [15:54] ttx: more! [15:55] more would even be better [15:55] mathiaz: sleepy head [15:55] 15:00 UTC ++ [15:56] Try to pay lots of beers to jib at UDS to make him change time [15:56] Daviey: ^ [15:56] #endmeeting [15:56] Meeting finished at 09:56. [15:56] ttx: wilco :) [15:56] thanks everyone ! [15:58] * ttx gets busy updating his LP queue === unimix_ is now known as unimix|work === BlackZ_ is now known as BlackZ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:56] * ara waves [17:57] * davmor2 waves back [17:57] * marjo waves [17:58] * fader_ leans against the wall and tries to look nonchalant. [17:58] * cyphermox waves [17:58] * bladernr_ looks more nonchalant than fader [17:59] * charlie-tca waves, too [17:59] * sbeattie waves and then grabs coffee quick. [17:59] fader_: that's the wall I just painted it's still wet [17:59] #startmeeting QA Team Meeting [18:00] Meeting started at 11:59. The chair is marjo. [18:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:00] davmor2: That's just camouflage for me then [18:00] hi folks [18:00] Agenda: [18:00] * Introduce Mathieu Trudel (cyphermox) [18:00] * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:00] * Bug Day status -- pvillavi [18:01] #topic Introduce Mathieu Trudel [18:01] that's my cue? [18:01] [TOPIC] Introduce Mathieu Trudel [18:01] New Topic: Introduce Mathieu Trudel [18:01] cyphermox yes [18:01] so hi everyone! My name is Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre, and people usually just call me Matt [18:01] welcome cyphermox! [18:01] I've started at Canonical on Monday in hardware certification, working with Marc [18:02] Mathieu joined Canonical this week as HW Certification Engineer [18:02] cyphermox: Welcome! [18:02] cyphermox, welcome! [18:02] cyphermox: Welcome! [18:02] cyphermox: welcome [18:03] before that I've been doing lots of work on NetworkManager specifically, as well as on other projects in Ubuntu, a lot of them in universe (goal: joining the MOTU team), or in collaboration with jcastro [18:03] thanks! [18:03] cyphermox: welcome again [18:03] cyphermox: welcome to the madhouse [18:03] [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:03] I'm also the debian maintainer for acct, concordance, congruity, ethos, and hopefully soon emerillon :) [18:03] New Topic: SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [18:04] SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-03-24): [18:04] * karmic: 3 new packages in -proposed (devicekit-disks, linux, tzdata) and 6 packages pushed to -updates (devicekit-disks(twice), gst-plugins-bad0.10, linux-firmware-nonfree, rrdtool, tzdata) [18:04] * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (linux-firmware, tzdata) and 1 package pushed to -updates (tzdata) [18:04] * intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (tzdata) and 1 package pushed to -updates (tzdata) [18:04] * hardy: 2 new packages in -proposed (linux, tzdata) and 2 packages pushed to -updates (tzdata, zabbix) [18:04] * dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales) and 1 package pushed to -updates (langpack-locales) [18:04] Thanks to MichaL, AlexR, Νίκος Αλεξανδρής, Rodrigo Campos, Rasmus, Michael Goetze, Soos Gergely, and Matthew L. Dailey for testing SRUs this week. [18:04] Unless there's any questions, that's all I've got on the SRU front. [18:04] (sorry i'm having some connection problems... damn isp) [18:05] pedro_ please watch your language! [18:05] darn isp [18:06] sbeattie: thx [18:06] [TOPIC] Bug Day status -- pvillavi [18:06] New Topic: Bug Day status -- pvillavi [18:07] since pedro's having problems, let's get back to him later [18:07] [TOPIC] New topics for today? [18:07] New Topic: New topics for today? [18:08] reminder: Lucid Beta 2 is next Thursday, 8 April [18:08] Checkbox 0.9.1 candidate has been up for update in Lucid for a while, hopefully will be uploaded today [18:09] cr3: thx [18:09] hggdh: ^^^ that's the version that'll fix the problem detecting your hard drive [18:10] folks: any other topics for today? [18:11] cr3: bug number? I may have run into that myself this morning [18:11] cr3: cool [18:11] cr3: are all the open lucid issues for checkbox addressed in 0.9.1? [18:12] (e.g. vbox lack of chassis info issue) [18:12] bladernr_: bug #549714 [18:12] Launchpad bug 549714 in checkbox "checkbox does not detect the hard drive" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549714 [18:12] cr3: thanks [18:12] sbeattie: yes, bug #537435 is also fixed in the above version [18:12] Launchpad bug 537435 in checkbox "udev_resource crashed with KeyError in product()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537435 [18:13] sbeattie: once that's uploaded, I'll have another look over the pending bugs. I expect to have another version 0.9.2 after the weekend [18:13] pedro_ are you up & reliable? [18:14] marjo, yeah seems so [18:14] cr3: okay. I was having trouble running the qa-regression-testing stuff under checkbox, but I'm not sure I'm fully up to date with your tip. [18:14] go for it quick! [18:14] so if you haven't talked about bug days we had one last week about Ubuntu Translations [18:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100325 [18:15] ~50 bugs were triaged, thanks a lot to dpm, kamusin and qense for helping out that day! [18:16] Tomorrow we're celebrating one based on Nautilus with an special focus on Samba issues so if you use nautilus for access any smb share please test and file bugs about it [18:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100401 [18:16] there's plenty of bugs to be triaged so if you want to help just join us tomorrow at #ubuntu-bugs [18:17] that's all from here [18:17] ( am i still online? ) [18:17] pedro_ thx [18:17] \o/ [18:17] heh [18:18] any more new topics for today? [18:18] if not, i propose we adjourn the meeting [18:18] going once [18:18] going twice [18:18] meeting adjourned [18:18] thx everyone! [18:19] Thanks all [18:19] #endmeeting [18:19] Meeting finished at 12:19. [18:19] thanks and sorry again [18:19] pedro_ no worries [18:19] cr3: stuff happens === cypher is now known as czajkowski === Ougust is now known as Nougust [19:21] hello everyone [19:29] nick rex === balto_ is now known as ralemi === plars is now known as plars-away [20:01] hi everyone [20:01] hi [20:01] fancy seeing you here :) [20:02] * stgraber waves [20:02] hi everyone ! [20:02] mgariepy: hi! :) [20:02] hello! [20:03] agenda, as always is on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda [20:03] Hi people [20:04] on Revolution Linux's side, highvoltage did all the work this week ;) so you won't hear much from me at this meeting. [20:04] I'm just finishing a quick upload before I start (something I want to show you) [20:05] this is what our ubiquity-slideshow will look like: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/edubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow/ [20:05] does anyone have a link to a Plymouth theme how-to? [20:05] highvoltage: Would be great if you or I could record that demo I made on Monday at the Stand up and upload that somewhere (youtube or similar) [20:05] the ubuntu logos will be replaced by edubuntu logos once we ehave them [20:05] stgraber: good idea! noted [20:05] We got the official "K" for Kubuntu yesterday, so there's hope. [20:06] ScottK: yep, saw that last night, hoping to get the "E" and "d" soon ;) [20:06] wait, is someone still making all the letters for the font? [20:06] ScottK: I saw on planet ubuntu! and it did indeed give me hope :) [20:06] Yes. [20:06] wow, I thought it was done [20:06] mhall119: yep [20:06] highvoltage: i was working on some web buttons to advertise edubuntu.. i dont know if they're any good [20:06] When they published, the only letters done were Ubunt. [20:07] heh [20:07] they're .gifs in case thats a problem :/, the ubuntu ones are flash i think? [20:07] highvoltage: the slideshow .. does it have controls to go back/forth? [20:07] bencrisford: upload them somewhere or paste them on a wiki page and send a link to the list! perhaps we or at least someone could use them! [20:07] highvoltage: already hav done ;) http://i42.tinypic.com/mctf28.gif [20:07] Lns: nope, it just cycles through, it's possible to add back and forward buttons with javascript though [20:07] highvoltage: i didn't know there was more than 1 slide until i went back to the page ;) [20:07] bencrisford: cool [20:08] looks really nice though so far [20:08] Lns: neither did I [20:08] nor me [20:08] hmm, s/dark/gray matter ? [20:08] yeah [20:08] Lns: ah right! I've been watching too many cosmology documentaries lately! [20:08] I'll change that [20:08] hahahaha =) nice [20:08] ;) [20:09] it's all that LHC stuff [20:09] seriously [20:09] besides that, our artwork is pretty much shaping up, we never made lots of concious decisions around artwork [20:09] but where there was doubt I just used white with a red border (like in the radiance theme) [20:10]