[00:00] <Sarvatt> not worried about the sauce at all, i'd end up pulling nouveau drm-radeon-testing and drm-intel-next into it each time probably anyway :D
[00:07] <Sarvatt> oh sweet, good post on the kernel update procedure on the kernel-team list now
[00:19] <RAOF> Hooray!  Nouveau on PPC
[00:20] <Sarvatt> funny we got nouveau there but radeon KMS still isn't enabled (last I looked) :D
[00:20] <Sarvatt> been using radeon KMS on my powerpc machine since jaunty
[01:11] <Sarvatt> ok the blob is *totally* busted for me right now
[01:12] <Sarvatt> plus nv absolutely does not work on nv50+ with novueau KMS in use, I think you're lucky you're on NV40 RAOF :)
[01:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Hm.  I thought I'd *tried* that on my nv96.  Maybe I didn't :)
[01:12] <Sarvatt> i get a screen full of lovely colored ansi characters no matter what I do with nv, forgot I had xserver-xorg-video-nouveau purged before
[01:14] <Sarvatt> activating compiz with the blob completely kills the system here, corruption all over the place and sysrq keys dont even work
[01:14] <RAOF> :(
[01:15] <Sarvatt> it kind of worked without compiz, i got black horizontal line corruption all over the notification area, and indicator-applet-session icons
[01:16] <Sarvatt> no idea what killed it, updated with the past 3 days worth of updates and rebooted and the wifes laptop was completely messed up :D nothing in the logs, should have tried the -17 kernel again before i purged it
[01:16] <RAOF> That's not very promising; what card is that?
[01:17] <Sarvatt> 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS] [10de:0427] (rev a1)
[01:17] <Sarvatt> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device [103c:30cf]
[01:17] <Sarvatt> dang, g-p-m is constantly dying and respawning still
[01:19] <RAOF> That's not even a particularly crazy card.
[01:21] <Sarvatt> nope one of the more common laptop GPU's
[01:21] <Sarvatt> was one step up from integrated for a long time :D
[01:21] <johanbr> I have that card and it's working fine with the blob
[01:21] <johanbr> (on lucid)
[01:21] <Sarvatt> how recently did you reboot?
[01:22] <johanbr> yesterday
[01:22] <Sarvatt> i'll try reinstalling it now that I actually got back into the desktop :D
[01:23] <Sarvatt> hmm, should nvidia-current call update-initramfs on removal? imagine that novueau blacklist is still in the initrd
[01:24] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yes, it should.
[01:28] <Sarvatt> sheesh, 50% battery used in about 30 minutes of text mode and 10 minutes of having a desktop up with nouveau
[01:35] <Sarvatt> nvidia-current won't install :D
[01:35] <Sarvatt> 2010-03-30 20:30:05,913 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler device sections ({0: ['\tIdentifier\t"Default Device"\n', '\tDriver\t"nvidia"\n']})
[01:35] <RAOF> You're rather at the mercy of the bios' default settings.
[01:36] <RAOF> My nv96 (+ intel) netbook doesn't sap power particularly with nouveau.  Power management support would be nice, though!
[01:36] <Sarvatt> think the nvidia/jockey stuff is messed up with xorg.conf.d
[01:38] <Sarvatt> yepyep just installed xserver-xorg-core (2:1.7.6-2ubuntu1) and can't activate the blob
[01:39] <Sarvatt> err, well it installed but gave the error and said it failed, it did install the /etc/X11/xorg.conf though
[01:58] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: no xorg.conf.d directory getting installed
[01:59] <Sarvatt> had to add my own inputclass stuff to xorg.conf, that was my problem
[02:01] <RAOF> Anyone want to sponsor an upload for G200EH support to x-x-v-mga?
[02:18] <bryceh> RAOF, hit me
[02:18] <RAOF> git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-mga
[02:18] <bryceh> Sarvatt, btw if you can associate lp bug #'s with any of those redhat patches you emailed me, it would be a huge help
[02:19] <bryceh> RAOF, mind doing a debdiff?
[02:19] <RAOF> Not at all.
[02:21] <bryceh> actually nevermind, I got the git tree
[02:21] <RAOF> Well, and there's a debdiff attached to the bug now :)
[02:25] <bryceh> RAOF, upload sponsored
[02:25] <RAOF> bryceh: Thanks!
[02:28] <Sarvatt> ahh ok the evdev rules were in xserver-xorg-input-evdev, no wonder I didnt have any
[02:29] <Sarvatt> should put a BIG warning somewhere not to update packages yet because things are broken :)
[02:29] <Sarvatt> i did a catchall evdev InputClass section in my nvidia xorg.conf to catch all /dev/input/event devices and that totally screws up the blob
[02:39] <bryceh> Sarvatt, the trace on bug #532530 looks extremely familiar to me but I can't place it... do you recognize it?
[02:39] <bryceh> wasn't there a mess of bugs involving libpixman in their backtrace?
[02:42] <Sarvatt> the ones i was looking at were all with the blob continuing rendering after a VT switch and screwing up, thats a different one.. wish that person would attach the real logs instead of a tarball of /var/log/
[02:43] <bryceh> yeah I know
[03:01] <Sarvatt> ahh crap - <tjaalton> [17:39:04] -looks like it'll take hours before the xserver is published on the main archs, so I'll upload the drivers in the morning..
[03:02] <Sarvatt> well I'm passing around this link for people that already upgraded and need to reboot.. http://sarvatt.com/downloads/xorg.conf.d/
[03:03] <bryceh> Sarvatt, maybe mail that to ubuntu-devel@
[03:41] <Sarvatt> bryceh: sorry I was swamped there trying to fix the wifes machine, you know how it goes I'm sure :D responding to your patch mail now
[03:46] <bryceh> heh yep
[03:46] <bryceh> meanwhile I've gotten the -ati .192 merge done
[03:47] <bryceh> several nice fixes in it
[03:47] <bryceh> one thing I'm unsure about though - it has a conf from debian to enable kms, but not sure if that's going to interfere with our kms enablement
[03:48] <bryceh> guessing it won't
[03:48] <Sarvatt> that EXA backport was totally just me saying I'm doing it in xorg-edgers
[03:49] <Sarvatt> no reason to install that, just revert http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-video-ati.git;a=commit;h=f62daf71011a40aa37802b6abd726b731985174b
[03:52] <bryceh> rats I *just* uploaded it
[03:54] <bryceh> well, I don't think it's going to hurt anything
[04:45] <Sarvatt> bryceh: can you release http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-input-evdev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubuntu and http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/driver/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ubuntu ?
[04:46] <Sarvatt> xserver is borked at the moment, the old udev rules aren't working for me at least and theres no xorg.conf.d snippets to load the drivers without those
[05:11] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: whaat? things busted?
[05:14] <tjaalton> sigh, thought I tested that
[05:14] <tjaalton> anyway, evdev & synaptics uploaded
[05:15] <Sarvatt> yeah things were totally busted on upgrade and reboot here, maybe because I had a nvidia xorg.conf already?
[05:15] <Sarvatt> sweet! thanks tjaalton
[05:15] <tjaalton> hmm, dunno.. maybe
[05:16] <tjaalton> right, 5-7h queue
[05:17] <tjaalton> should've just uploaded them earlier
[05:32] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: yeah we dont have snippets loading the quirks for those tags, those mini 10v's need quirking
[05:32] <Sarvatt> doh nevermind yes you did that already!
[05:32] <tjaalton> untested, but I think they should work..
[05:34] <Sarvatt> sounds like it worked for him at least! would be nice to figure out why it broke so badly here
[05:35] <tjaalton> hmm, and seems to work here too
[05:37] <tjaalton> yeah :)
[05:37] <tjaalton> *phew*
[05:40] <Sarvatt> working here on 2 of my other machines too, just the laptop with the blob had major trouble
[05:41] <tjaalton> got a log?
[05:42] <Sarvatt> i stupidly overwrote the one i was trying to save from the first failed boot
[05:42] <tjaalton> well you should be able to reproduce it by moving xorg.conf.d away?
[05:47] <Sarvatt> you're right, will do that in the morning, wifes using that laptop now
[05:48] <tjaalton> and it failed to start?
[05:48] <tjaalton> the symptom should be that there was no mouse/kbd
[05:50] <Sarvatt> no mouse/keyboard yeah
[05:51] <tjaalton> alright then
[05:51] <tjaalton> well, no-one uses the blob anyway.. oh, wait
[05:51] <tjaalton> :)
[05:53] <Sarvatt> if i could just force nouveau to use the lowest performance state always i'd never look back :)
[06:13] <Sarvatt> whoops - make[3]: *** No rule to make target `wcmTilt2Rotation.lo', needed by `wacom_drv.la'.  Stop
[06:14] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: you need to run autoreconf firtst
[06:14] <tjaalton> first
[06:23] <Sarvatt> yeah i remember you having that problem the other day and i still forgot :D
[06:24] <tjaalton> the package is a mess..
[06:25] <tjaalton> too bad ron won't like the idea of running autoreconf on build
[06:25] <tjaalton> *doesn't
[06:25] <tjaalton> thinking about forking it properly, but maybe not :)
[06:39] <Sarvatt> lp:ubuntu/xf86-input-wacom maybe? :)
[06:40] <Sarvatt> (since he doesn't want it in pkg-xorg?)
[07:05] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: nah, pkg-xorg is fine, even if he'd maintain it in his own repo
[10:23] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: edgers needs to merge the xorg-server changes, or people using the edgers version will end up with no kbd/mouse :)
[10:26] <tjaalton> asac: what's up with the armel buildd's? every build that generates a dbgsym-package fails
[10:33] <tjaalton> asac: and for instance xorg-server failed to build because of that
[10:35] <tjaalton> asac: hmm, it might be ok now..
[10:35] <tjaalton> asac: right, false alarm.. it's built now :)
[10:52] <tjaalton> there, evtouch and joystick uploaded
[10:53] <tjaalton> hum, joystick rejected, need to fakesync it
[10:55] <tjaalton> there
[15:09] <tseliot> Sarvatt: would you like to test my nvidia-settings with -173?
[15:42] <asac> tjaalton: our builders are unfortunately not stable ... retrying a few times helps often
[15:42] <asac> we are in process of adding new builders .... so there is hope
[15:53] <tseliot> jcristau: do you know if/where XSERVER_LIBPCIACCESS is defined in xserver 1.7.x?
[15:53] <tjaalton> asac: oh ok. i was just worried that the xserver didn't build the first time, but then noticed that it was retried and succeeded
[15:53]  * jcristau hands grep to tseliot 
[15:54] <tseliot> jcristau: I did that already
[15:54] <jcristau> then you have your answer
[15:55] <tseliot> ok, it's not defined then
[15:55] <jcristau> wrong.
[15:57] <tseliot> libpciaccess-dev is installed here
[15:58] <tseliot> and here it says that it should be defined in xorg-server.h: http://www.x.org/wiki/PciReworkHowto
[15:59] <jcristau> s/should be/is/
[16:00] <tseliot> I don't have any xorg-server.h here
[16:01] <tseliot> never mind, I was convinced that xserver-xorg-dev was already installed
[16:52] <tedg> Hey guys.  We're trying to bind to Super+Esc but can't seem to.
[16:52] <tedg> I can't find an application doing that.
[16:52] <tedg> Is that a key combo that X is grabbing?
[16:53] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: http://pastebin.com/nxnnfP4p -- should we just be matching event devices in synaptics too?
[16:56] <Sarvatt> btw tseliot did you see the problem I had last night trying to activate the blob? Jockey says it fails to activate (even though it activates fine) if I try to activate it - 2010-03-30 20:30:05,913 DEBUG: XorgDriverHandler device sections ({0: ['\tIdentifier\t"Default Device"\n', '\tDriver\t"nvidia"\n']})
[16:57] <tseliot> Sarvatt: can I see the full log and your xorg.conf, please?
[16:57] <Sarvatt> not sure if you know whats up with that, just started since the xorg.conf.d xserver
[16:58] <Sarvatt> let me see if my wife left that machine on for me to ssh into, one sec
[16:59] <Sarvatt> there was no xorg.conf at the time, it still created one though but it said the process failed
[17:00] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/AJiKWr08
[17:02] <tseliot> Sarvatt: it doesn't say that it failed (at least in the log)
[17:06] <Sarvatt> i'll redo it later and get you a screenshot of the gui dialog
[17:06] <Sarvatt> the gui said it failed even though it worked
[17:07] <tseliot> ok
[17:54] <Sarvatt> hmm, evdev is claiming the touchpad for a lot of people without the synaptics upgrade
[17:58] <Sarvatt> man, the bug number just does not want to stay under 300 - http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-lucid.svg
[18:19] <bryceh> Sarvatt, heh
[18:20] <bryceh> wow, that's sad, our 'workqueue' stats are just barely below that...  http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-lucid-workqueue.svg
[18:21] <bryceh> that means almost all the lucid bugs are blocked on us needing to do something with them
[18:48] <rickspencer3> Sarvatt, fyi ... my quirks kicked in as you said
[18:48] <rickspencer3> (after updating today)
[18:48] <rickspencer3> thanks
[18:53] <Sarvatt> no worries, tjaalton is the one that did all the work porting the quirks over and deserves the thanks :) glad it worked out though, thanks for the update about it
[19:53] <DBO> is the issue where closing a clutter app == x crash known?
[20:33] <Sarvatt> DBO: yep https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/550218
[21:10] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hey :) Do you remember my problem before? :P That video output problem ... I wonder it still doesnt work after updated several possible candidates recently and I wonder, do you know which packages that is required for video output in Kaffeine and Dragonplayer for instance? Or if you know any site I can check on?
[21:34] <Sarvatt> Oxymoron: I'd suggest starting by googling xine XvShmPutImage nvidia :)
[21:35] <Sarvatt> your X error was a BadMatch in the Xvideo extension in XvShmPutImage
[21:36] <Sarvatt> Oxymoron: have you tried fiddling with the nvidia-settings control panel Xv options?
[21:42] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: yeah not checking for /dev/input/event* is an oversight, I'll fix it tomorrow
[21:42] <Sarvatt> Oxymoron: try seeing if whatever player you're using has a --debug option and run it from a terminal so you can get more info on whats happening
[21:48] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Smart ideas, thanks man :) And well I havent fiddling around with nvidia-settings
[22:12] <bjsnider> i don't think that would really do it, but it's worth a shot
[22:12] <bjsnider> what would really help is a new graphics card
[22:28] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: You and youre new graphics card talk ...
[22:28] <Oxymoron> My Graphic card is perfectly fine ;)
[22:30] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hmm interesting output from dragon in command konsole: ""
[22:30] <Oxymoron> InotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: Filen eller katalogen finns inte
[22:30] <Oxymoron> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/oxymoron/.config/ibus/bus
[22:30] <Oxymoron> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. 
[22:30] <Oxymoron> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon 
[22:41] <Sarvatt> Oxymoron: no output giving details on what output method is being used and such? all that stuff isnt related
[22:41] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: How do I retrieve that kind of info then?
[22:44] <Sarvatt> you're asking someone who doesn't use KDE.. :)
[22:47] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Alright, I will ask someone who does :)
[23:08] <Sarvatt> Oxymoron: run the player with --help, it'll give you a list of extra options you can use..
[23:10] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, but I cant find any debug option parameter in there and not in --help-kde or --help-qt either
[23:12] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: Do you know what ibus is btw?
[23:12] <bryceh> merged 2.9.1-3 plus cherrypicks
[23:12] <bryceh> (for -intel)
[23:13] <Sarvatt> do you really not have a multimedia configuration option in the KDE system menus somewhere?
[23:22] <RAOF> Sarvatt, Oxymoron: There certainly is a multimedia configuration option; Look for “Phonon” somewhere .
[23:25] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: No, I tried remove ~/.kde before and problem still persist ... It must be something else.
[23:26] <Oxymoron> RAOF: Look for Phonon somewhere? :P More specific please ... Phonon settings in systemsettings isnt anything, but maybe some phonon settings somewhere else though'
[23:27] <RAOF> Oxymoron: Phonon settings in systemsettings should be where you're looking.  I'm sure there's *something* there :)
[23:29] <RAOF> Look for xine engine options.
[23:31] <RAOF> Sarvatt: That intel fix has hit lucid-kernel git!  Yay!
[23:32] <Oxymoron> RAOF: You cant setup anything there, you can only change between gstreamer and xine, no settings at all ...
[23:33] <RAOF> There's *definitely* some form of options around in that sort of area; I remember being able to change the deinterlacer used for DVD content, at least...
[23:34] <Sarvatt> RAOF: yeah i closed a ton of bugs about it already since the -19 kernel with it has already been uploaded
[23:35] <Oxymoron> RAOF: Yeah, but those options are also removed in latest kde ... so cant even change that and those settings isnt worth anything anyway so.
[23:40] <Oxymoron> Sarvatt: I ll be damn, I installed ibus restarted xserver and then it worked :D
[23:40] <Sarvatt> tell the KDE people that :)
[23:41] <Oxymoron> #kde-devel I guess
[23:54] <ernstp> my plymouth boot is still flickering a lot
[23:55] <ernstp> is everyone elses doing that also?
[23:59] <Sarvatt> ernstp: guessing you have a mobilie x1300-x1600 ati gpu? :)