[00:12] I can't change my timezone... [00:12] wtf [00:13] Oxymoron: dunno what it was, but If I remove ibus here kaffeine and dragon still work fine. . . [00:19] shtylman: in systemsettings? yeah someone else was complaining about that the other day. i can reproduce [00:19] yea [00:26] yofel: Well I dont know, maybe some config error somewhere I dont know [01:08] AWESOME! That's all I have to say about today's weather, the road, my bike, and of course me! [01:08] bah, snow here [01:09] Riddell: your silly country doesnt know it's spring, eh? [01:09] seems not, humph [01:09] possessives. [01:10] crimsun: what? [01:10] I'm harumphing about the ambiguity there [01:11] "it's" is the one i mean [01:11] not "its" [01:11] yes, I know [01:11] I'm not implying that *you* were incorrect; I'm implying that it's a shame that the use there can be ambiguous [01:11] good thing it's text then [01:20] shtylman: ubiquity is complex these days [01:21] Riddell: indeed it is :) [01:21] gonna hopefully tackle some bugs tonight [01:22] shtylman: I was looking at bug 540202 [01:22] Launchpad bug 540202 in ubiquity "kubuntu ubiquity shows ${RELEASE} briefly at start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540202 [01:22] ahh yea.. that good one [01:22] in ubi-language.py the gtk side has a bit where it hides all the widgets [01:22] what has to be done (basically) is hide the widget [01:22] yea [01:22] then in on_language_selection_changed it shows them again [01:22] right [01:23] but it doesn't show say the alpha warning widget [01:23] but... there is a problem with that.. I think [01:23] and I don't understand why not [01:23] haha .. when you do show again it doesn't? [01:23] how are you hiding the widgets? just the top level one right? [01:24] for w in self.page.get_children(): [01:24] w.show() [01:24] that's what the gtk side does [01:24] you don't need to do that tho [01:24] but I don't understand why that doesn't then show the alpha warning which we want to keep hidden [01:24] its sufficient to hide the parent widget [01:24] it may not be a child of the right thing? [01:28] just using self.page.hide() doesn't seem to do much [01:35] Riddell: k.. ill check into it :) [01:35] shtylman: seems like the gtk side only adds the widgets if they're needed, whereas on the kde side all the widgets are always there [01:36] don't see why they can't be there [01:37] well something must be stopping them being shown at on_language_selection_changed [02:07] shtylman: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF [02:07] that seems to do it [02:07] could you test and commit? [02:07] Riddell: indeed I will [02:07] thanks [02:08] my vm is updating at the moment [02:08] hi promulo, here is good === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [02:10] ok [02:11] Riddell: well, I want to make the proposal, do you have some suggestions/documentation/requirements/etc that I have to cover? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:18] promulo: in the first instance https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing [02:18] promulo: so fixing up the SMB stuff first [02:19] then making a decent webdav file sharing method through KDE [02:21] Riddell: ok... I'll take a look [02:23] do you prefer that I send the early proposal to you before submit it or want to give the feedback already in Melange? [02:25] promulo: make a wiki page under https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GSoC/2010 and ping me here [02:27] ryanakca: What's up with libqinfinity and kobby? It looks like there was a beta4 back in December that's not packaged. [02:37] rgreening: Have you been following kobby? [02:38] nope. not sure the current status. whats debian got? [02:42] Same as us [02:42] * ScottK kicks ryanakca again. [02:42] There's a beta4 needs to get done. [02:43] They both need rebuilding due to libinfinote getting updated, may as well move to the newer beta I'd think. [02:43] If I get some time and ryanakca doesnt get to it first, though I am tied up today/tomorrow... [02:44] OK. [02:44] It'll likely need an FFe, but should be easy enough to get. [03:12] Riddell: If you're still awake: workspace failed because your 106 changes didn't apply. [03:14] bwahahahaaha [03:15] the package is Riddled with failure [03:20] Riddell: Easily fixable. [03:20] So it's my turn for one of those. Wrong -p option. [03:20] heh [03:26] ScottK: Those in -qt-kde told me not to until upstream ported Kobby/libqinfinity from infinoted-0.3 to infinoted-0.4. [03:27] ryanakca: Well we've already got infinote-0.4 in Lucid, so we either need to get it working with that or removed. [03:27] rgreening: I have it all packaged in the kde-extras SVN iirc. [03:28] ScottK: OK, I'll take a look at libqinfinity/kobby with that. Do you need it before this time tomorrow? [03:29] ryanakca: No, but the sooner the better. [03:29] ScottK: OK. I'll do it when I get back from school tomorrow. Good night [03:30] ryanakca: Thanks. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Developer Channel | Support in #kubuntu | Beta 2 Freeze | Feature Freeze, fix bugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 | String freeze in effect - change a GUI item without nixternal's approval and lose a finger! | Welcome DarkwingDuck and shtylman to the family \o/ [03:44] Riddell: doing the loop is wrong [03:45] cause then all the widgets get shown [03:45] and we don't want that [03:45] cause there are oem widgets and whatnot [03:45] I will investigate why the alpha text isn't showing [03:46] Do we need the alpha text anymore? [03:46] that might also be true.. maybe the text isn't actually supposed to be displayed? [03:47] I think it is, but it may be a bug we don't care about until Lucid +1 at this point. I don't recall when it gets dropped. [03:48] k [03:57] Riddell: nvm... I have the fix.. slight modification to your patch, I just make a list of the widgets I have hidden so that showing is a simpler loop [05:22] * ScottK larts lex79 for losing the 4.4.1-0ubuntu7 kdebase-workspace upload with all the plymouth integration fixes in it. [05:23] Riddell: ^^^ tseliot's stuff needs to get readdeed to workspace. [05:42] Gak!!!!!!!! [05:52] ~lart [05:52] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help lart' [05:52] ~lart lex79 [05:52] * kubotu smacks lex79 in the face with a burlap sack full of broken glass [05:52] O.o [05:52] a bit harsh [05:53] Can't sleep, so I'm fixing. [06:04] Uploaded. Good night. [06:29] Riddell: ping [08:23] nixternal: I challenge you to make us a new plymouth theme with this in mind :D http://is.gd/b9k4A [09:33] oh [09:33] april 1st again [09:33] anyhow [09:34] yeah, which means that it's as usual worth hopping over to http://xkcd.com/ [09:34] I am so almighty, I could build mysql on my router's cpu [09:34] oh [09:34] and I got a nice and cosy _ === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger____ [09:36] ahh [09:36] Sput: fancy [09:36] xkcd++ [09:37] * apachelogger____ has a mysql source tarball [09:37] now for diffing and building :/ [09:37] apachelogger____: and you can do fun stuff in the shell too [09:39] hello apachelogger____, I wanted to tell you something [09:39] (not sure what) [09:39] just tell [09:39] phew [09:40] maybe: a good morning to you ;) [09:40] * apachelogger____ hugs markey and kisses him on the cheek [09:40] oi [09:40] * apachelogger____ blushes [09:41] * apachelogger____ turns up the volume [09:41] kubotu: np [09:41] apachelogger____ doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user [09:41] omg! [09:41] kubotu: np apachelogger [09:41] apachelogger listened to "Full Throttle" by The Prodigy [Music For The Jilted Generation, 2007] 10 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5JMejXFzgKVVE5zyCrf42V] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [09:41] omg! [09:42] * apachelogger____ gives up and continues poking mysql [09:49] kubotu: np Sput42 [09:49] Sput42 listened to "Weltfremd" by Reaper [Hell Starts With An H, 2007] 8 minutes ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/7hyshvROqbA9yXIcvT8Plg] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Sput42 for more [09:50] sup? how's April Fools? [09:50] I wonder [09:50] kubotu: np Quintasan [09:50] Quintasan listened to "Yuukyuu no Tsubasa" by Nakajima Yumiko 12 hours ago; -- see http://www.last.fm/user/Quintasan for more [09:50] :3 [10:03] Riddell: I think we should add a reboot trigger to kdelibs5 [10:03] apachelogger____: \o [10:03] or at least add some magic that adds the trigger for source version changes [10:03] nice nick :O [10:04] or at least add a new trigger type that ask to relogin [10:04] Quintasan: thanks, it doesnt seem to go away [10:04] * Quintasan is almost done with koffice [10:05] * apachelogger____ has working akonadi startup \\o/ [10:05] well, except for dbus issues [10:06] but at least the server now starts without going bonkers about missing tables [10:09] hi [10:15] * ghostcube hugs his N900 [10:22] does kubuntu run on the n900 yet? [10:23] * apachelogger____ will make his router run kubuntu [10:23] muahahaha === ghostcube_maemo_ is now known as ghostcube_maemo [10:54] apachelogger____: why a reboot triger? [10:55] Riddell: because otherwise the users are in danger of running into issues that were triggered by incompability from say a 4.3 kdelibs and a 4.4 konqueror [10:55] because they forgot to relogin [10:55] or they didnt know to begin with [10:56] by issuing the reboot notification we can at least make them aware that a reboot is of need [10:57] apachelogger____: so a reboot on upgrading to a new minor KDE version? [10:58] Riddell: it is saves I think [10:58] upgrade 4.4.0 => 4.4.1 notify [10:58] upgrade 4.4.0-0ubuntu1 => 4.4.0-0ubuntu2 no notifciation [11:00] so KDE point releases [11:01] but they /should/ be compatible [11:01] that does not mean that a bugfix in a kded module makes some other component behave oddly [11:02] Also, in general a restart after any kind of KDE source version update is a good idea IMHO [11:02] And be it only so that all bugfixes become available to the user. [11:03] * apachelogger____ notes that only doing it for minor KDE versions also makes the implementation a bit more complicate ;) [11:04] if you have an implementation then go for it [11:05] I need to do one first, but I have an idea on how to archive it ;) [11:12] * apachelogger____ is wondering why the workspace branch is that large [11:12] uhm [11:12] -.- [11:20] hm, ok, that idea was limited in scope -.- [11:25] Riddell: any chance to sync package from sid now? [11:34] freeflying: not until after beta [11:36] Riddell: #538952 [11:41] Riddell: should freeze should be broken in favor of getting working akonadi? [11:41] s/should// [11:41] * apachelogger____ has serious langauge problems [11:42] apachelogger____: if you have a working tested solution which isn't too complicated that would be lovely [11:42] highly depends on the defintion of complicated :S [11:42] mysql requires some file movement from -server to -server-core [11:43] -server-core in consequence replaces the old -server [11:43] akonadi requires new -server-core and requires a couple of lines patch [11:43] the akonadi part is really the less invasive part here [11:48] apachelogger____: how much other stuff does that break? (if any) [11:48] none I shall hope [11:49] of course there is no telling what miracles mysql got stashed away just to annoy me even more [11:49] apachelogger____: so other programs that rely on -server? (are there any?) etc [11:49] I bet if mysql ate a gator it would also explod [11:49] lol [11:49] * jussi01 hugs apachelogger____ [11:49] jussi01: mysql-server depends on mysql-server-core [11:50] ahh [11:50] so that should not cause any trouble [11:51] theres a heck of a lot of rdepends on -server... [11:52] hm [11:52] This makes me think that if there should be any problems they would be reported rather quickly [11:52] IMHO this is more of an advantage than anything else === effie_jayx is now known as keffie_jayx [11:53] thats true. [11:53] apachelogger____: perhaps worth dropping the affected packages in a PPA and having a few people test? [11:54] apachelogger____: btw, did you get my pm earlier? [11:54] * apachelogger____ would rather drop it in the archives and let a lot more people test ;) [11:54] esp since mysql takes 3 billion years to build [11:54] lol [11:58] this is just nuts, 16 hours and still building, nice blockers: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ross [11:58] the other ppc builder, not much better either: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/adare [12:02] Tm_T: All the buildds are pretty hammerred. [12:04] oh and btw: http://dot.kde.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations [12:04] Tm_T: that sure is a kernel [12:05] or maybe they are now rendering movies in soyuz *shrug* [12:05] maybe it is an animated entertainment movie of the special sort *shrug* [12:06] what's mysql doing in a desktop? [12:07] amichair: storing data :P [12:07] that would be the use of a database I think [12:07] * apachelogger____ notes that his cpu is exploding [12:08] I shall write a letter to intel congratulating them on the stability of atom [12:08] mysqlx2 + akonadix2 + kde-l10nx2... [12:08] yet my netbook did not explode [12:10] apachelogger____: whacu up to? [12:11] ScottK: yes but one private package taking soon whole day to build... [12:12] * amichair places a cookie on apachelogger's tray ___ [12:21] amichair: world domination!!!!! [12:21] amichair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mto2095euHQ [12:21] amichair++ [12:21] cookies++ [12:21] mysql-- [12:22] wow, quite the wakeup call [12:23] think I'll start my day with something a bit more mellow [12:23] even more mellow? [12:24] maybe the sound of purring kittens [12:24] (remixed) [12:24] I could have gne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sbxOlk-Z1E [12:24] s/gne/gone [12:24] or better yet for the auto remix :P [12:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26AjWANl7Ug [12:27] * apachelogger____ always gets scared when stress goes all in :/ === sebasje is now known as sebas [12:28] Riddell: uploaded mysql and akonadi [12:28] * amichair is still in shock [12:29] * apachelogger____ hands amichair a cup of tea [12:29] I really wonder what are those private sources blocking rest of kde coming to me [12:35] * apachelogger____ zsyncs daily-live [12:43] lex79: I see pitti has reverted the change to hal [12:45] apachelogger____: no sign of mysql in unapproved [12:46] meeeeh [12:46] ubuntu10 is already in [12:47] mysql-- [12:47] the only thing better than building mysql on a netbook, is merging mysql on a netbook [12:49] oh my [12:49] :'( [12:49] uh oh [12:50] yay 2 rejects [12:50] \o/ [12:50] as if touching 4 files - 2 rejects [12:51] well [12:52] once that is done I will spend the rest of the day ranting the bugs out of the netbook thingy [12:52] that window management is not broken it is delibaretely made to annoy me [12:53] kubotu: np [12:53] apachelogger____ doesn't exist on last.fm, perhaps they need to: lastfm user [12:54] kubotu: np apachelogger [12:57] * apachelogger____ waits another 10 minutes until a source package gets spit out [13:10] Riddell: mysql should now be in [13:11] oh [13:11] <3 bugs [13:12] apachelogger____: have you shown the akonadi patch to upstream at all? [13:12] Riddell: it is from upstream [13:12] even better [13:13] ubuntu-bug ubuntu-bug ftw! [13:13] package does not exist ftw! [13:14] * Riddell accepts akonadi and mysql and hugs apachelogger____ [13:16] Riddell: thanks [13:16] rgreening: bug 553243 [13:17] Launchpad bug 553243 in usb-creator "usb-creator-kde mostly broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553243 [13:18] apachelogger____: its already fixed and evand needs to release the fix [13:19] mhh [13:19] when is that happening? [13:19] oh nice [13:19] * apachelogger____ experiences bugs while reporting bugs [13:19] apachelogger____: be careful not to end up in an infinite bug loop! [13:21] lol [13:21] apachelogger____: the bug actually cam about due to updates to pyqt and QVariant useage changes [13:22] so I had to change some of the QVariant calls in the kde frontend for usb creator [13:23] * apachelogger____ feels urged to file a please-remove bug against python [13:23] bug 553248 [13:23] Launchpad bug 553248 in malone "can't confirm "I am affected by this bug" dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553248 [13:23] if someone could confirm that [13:23] kthx [13:24] rgreening: how do I create a stick now -.- [13:24] ah [13:24] * apachelogger____ installs unetbootin [13:25] mhhh [13:25] nice c++ware works [13:25] c+++++ [13:25] c++++ [13:25] actually [13:27] apachelogger____: well, you could pull the lp:usb-creator and update the frontend.py from kde dir to the system one :) [13:27] :) [13:27] ill poke ev to release [13:27] oh dear [13:27] * apachelogger____ falls over [13:29] kubotu: identica dent !unetbootin is quite the nice app [13:29] you must identify using 'identica identify [username] [password]' [13:29] omg === apachelogger____ is now known as apachelogger [13:29] kubotu: identica dent !unetbootin is quite the nice app [13:29] status updated [13:32] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [13:32] :) [13:33] apachelogger: ev indicated he would release a new rev today. [13:33] he's working some other bugs as well for release [13:51] dpm: language-pack-kde-engb gone? [13:52] Riddell, was there ever one? I think the -en one contains the en_GB translations too [13:53] mm, it's a bug with apachelogger's script [13:53] apachelogger: kde-l10n-engb -ptbr -zhcn -zhtw all broken [13:53] they should depend on language-pack-kde--en -br -zh [13:59] Riddell, that's correct except for the Chinese language packs, we split them into -zh-hans (Simplified Chinese) and -zh-hant (Traditional Chinese) [13:59] oh yes [14:00] apachelogger: they should depend on language-pack-kde-en -br -zh-hans and -zh-hant [14:15] apachelogger: video (intel graphics) on my netbook is slightly a bit better than in 9.10 [14:15] but still choppy with 5 apps and the composite enabled [14:19] ScottK: did workspace get built after form yer upload last night. [14:19] rgreening: Just i386 so far. [14:20] ah. k [14:20] keffie_jayx: For a netbook, that's not too bad I don't think. [14:20] ScottK: I don't either considering it is an integrated shared memory card [14:21] Sput: ping [14:21] and video has improved, I lived the intel driver incident with this netbook and kubuntu. it has improved [14:23] hmm, do we want smoke and ruby bindings in main? [14:25] * Riddell puts in universe [14:27] Riddell: new plasma-widget-networkmanagement uploaded to kubuntu xperimental [14:27] and I hope I'll have a working fix for qt soon... [14:27] a working fix? [14:27] hey Tonio_. How are things [14:27] Riddell: for the drag n drop thing I'm tracking for over a year [14:27] rgreening: hey : [14:27] :) [14:28] rgreening: fine :) I'm sick and stoped smocking [14:28] wow [14:28] appart from that life goes on :) [14:28] good for you [14:28] yup ;) [14:28] * rgreening needs to kik that too [14:29] rgreening: I went with champix [14:29] rgreening: it's really impressive [14:29] there are quite a lot of little issues with it [14:29] but reguarding to tabacco, it's just unbelievable [14:29] I have absolutly no will to smoke [14:31] rgreening: hmm, I can't format a usb disk in usb-creator and the disk seems to magically mount itself in /media/173B-662F [14:32] ok managed to unmount [14:33] Riddell: current ver is broken. There is a fix. evan will release today. See lp: 553243 [14:33] bug 553243 [14:33] Launchpad bug 553243 in usb-creator "usb-creator-kde mostly broken" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553243 [14:33] I fixed it the other day, just awaiting a release [14:34] its related to pyqt 4.7.1 and QVariant [14:34] rgreening: I'm using the bzr version [14:34] oh... you built locally? [14:34] it works fine for me yesterday [14:36] Riddell: I supose it is too late now to switch the the networkmanager applet right ? [14:37] Tonio_: yes, unless there's some super compelling reason [14:37] Riddell: :'( [14:37] rgreening: hmm, seems to be working now [14:37] rgreening: I have some UI issues, would it help to moan here or should I file bugs? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [14:38] both :) [14:38] Riddell: a bug would help my karma and track the issue. But feel free to moan as much as you want :P [14:39] I do hate my life most of the time [14:39] * apachelogger just wrote down 3 pages of crappyness in default desktop [14:39] Riddell: looking into [14:39] Riddell: can you fix the packs? [14:41] apachelogger: the kde-l10n-engb issue? I can do it manually easily enough, doing it with your script would probably take longer since I'd need to find my way around [14:42] Riddell: also the script is mainly designed to process all packages, at once, so you would need to build all source packages again [14:42] * apachelogger can fix the script easy enough === nio__ is now known as Tonio_ [14:42] Riddell: I notice the "right click" bug on knetworkmanager is still there [14:42] Riddell: sure it's not a major one, but that's really ugly :( [14:47] Riddell: zhcn needs to depend on -zh-hans and zhtw on -zh-hant? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:48] apachelogger: right [14:48] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/407575/ [14:48] that should be the changes necessary then [14:49] nixternal: we're going to need to update the slideshow and the ubiquity icon for the new logo I think, is that bad for UI freeze? [14:49] oh I think i fixed ca-valencia already [14:49] other than that they should be wrong ^^ [14:50] apachelogger: looks good [14:50] apachelogger: do you want me to fix them by hand then? [14:50] Riddell: please, with 0ubuntu4 [14:51] * apachelogger needs to implement subset processing to the script [14:52] Riddell: shoudln't we at least update the knetworkmanager package ? [14:52] Riddell: there are lots of fixes in it (vpn and so on) [14:52] cool [14:52] qbzr is broken too [14:52] * Riddell tries his best to ignore the line which says "DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CHANGING THIS FILE DIRECTLY! ! ! !" [14:53] ^^ [14:53] Tonio_: I'd be nervous about that, network manager is so fragile. it would need upstream approval and lots of testing [14:53] Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common/revision/49?start_revid=49\ [14:54] Riddell: I tend to agree, but it's not as if what we have now is mature and fully working.... [14:54] Riddell: from my personal experience, latest svn snapshots are a *lot* better than the repo version [14:55] Tonio_: so ask upstream (hi sebas) and put out a call for testing on the mailing list [14:55] Riddell: I think after beta 2 we should ask upstream. My prediction is they'll say update. [14:55] Riddell: yup [14:55] apachelogger: why 0ubuntu4 ? [14:56] the last version is 0ubuntu1 [14:56] Riddell: in the meantime I fixed the ppa packages so that we have a conflict for easy switch between knetworkmanager and the plasmoid [14:56] Riddell: because we must follow the highest revision of branch, which is ubuntu3 [14:56] Riddell: can you upload libmsn 4.1 from mentors.debian.net to lucid or is it too late? it would fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmsn/+bug/424925 [14:56] Ubuntu bug 424925 in libmsn "[karmic] MSN disconnects: "MSN: Error: Error code: 800 (Unknown error code)"" [Medium,Triaged] [14:56] and also the kded module to load manually (as everyone compained about) is now loaded by default [14:56] Riddell: otherwise in case we need to deploy a fix for all packages some packages will be >ubuntu2 and others will not, causing a major headache [14:57] maybe I should write a wikipage about the l10n stuff ^^ [14:59] pgquiles__: it'll need to wait until next week, we're in beta freeze this week. I've tagged it so I know to look into it then [14:59] bash gets messy way too easily :/ [15:00] Riddell: thanks [15:02] groovy, today's live image is in reasonable shape [15:02] agateau, apachelogger: did you guys come to any conclusion on the indicator upgrade issue? [15:02] * apachelogger pokes agateau [15:02] Riddell: http://wklej.org/id/307902/ <-- where should I put it [15:02] ? [15:02] my suggestion technically works [15:03] Riddell: we came up with "I should try to create a .desktop file for indicatordisplay" [15:03] the details of converting an old widget to a new widget however need to be worked out [15:03] Riddell: so that the .js file can find it [15:03] agateau: that works like a charm, see log form last night [15:03] Riddell: but haven't found the time to do so yet [15:03] apachelogger: oh great! [15:03] agateau: I would however like to do the name migration via a seperate script [15:04] apachelogger: so will you carry on with this task? [15:04] which proofs difficult because the plasma scripting api doesnt support adding widgets at a very specific position in the panel [15:04] Quintasan: wv2 is shipped as part of koffice now? [15:04] agateau: I was thinking you could add it to message-indicator :P [15:04] I can sort the kds update sciript [15:04] apachelogger: the .desktop file you mean? [15:04] but that leaves those with an indicator on anther panel than the first one, out in the cold [15:04]