[00:00] it is short but its good to get a mention [00:00] we didn't have a link to give alan on information on how to use quickshot simply because we hadn't got it ready [00:00] OMG! Writing Freeze!? [00:00] but once it's ready and the links are in place etc, i'll email him the link to wiki/website/omgubungu or whatever so he can update the link [00:01] ubuntu_ damn right [00:01] can't change my nick :S [00:01] humphreybc: I'm pushing a fix for the small-caps (bold, italic, etc.) issue. can you skim through the manual and see if it fixes 'em all? [00:01] OMG! my time to start translating [00:01] sure [00:02] godbyk have you done the conventions? [00:02] an hour to go now [00:02] "/msg nickserv " i think ubuntu_ [00:02] humphreybc: look for yourself. [00:02] (this milestone is almost more important than final release!) [00:02] i know, but it isn't working :S [00:02] let me know if there are more conventions that need mentioning. [00:02] okay okay it's compiling now [00:02] (takes ages now) [00:03] grilled hamburgers. yum! [00:03] can i have one? [00:03] btw, I can confim that evince image rendering bug is solved [00:03] nope! all mine! [00:03] ubuntu_: awesome! [00:04] ubuntu_: did they push an evince update or did you compile manually? [00:05] It is 0 days, 0 hours, 54 minutes and 52 seconds until Thursday, 1 April 2010 (UTC time) [00:07] THANKYOU LUKE [00:07] lol [00:07] ubuntu_ has it landed in Lucid already?? [00:07] let me know if you want an update :P [00:09] when are we taking out the TODOs? [00:11] humphreybc: yeah [00:12] humphreybc: you don't have to take them out. [00:12] lol, actually where I'm it's already 00:11 :P Portugal ftw! [00:12] I change one line of code and they all go away. [00:12] ok [00:13] * ubuntujenkins is getting tired [00:14] humphreybc: you're still awake? I've been following your tweets [00:14] yep, i'm still awake [00:14] must be a good 30 hours now without sleep [00:15] i don't feel that bad... kinda sore back though from sitting at a computer [00:15] humphreybc: think. just one more. awesome work. will be honored to translate :-) [00:15] and take ss [00:15] :) [00:18] Red_HamsterX: which screenshot needs changing can i do it? [00:18] * humphreybc enjoys moving things around in latex while it compiles and watching the PDF update live [00:19] figure 3.6 has part of the text smeared out. that's no good. we need to replace it with fake text if it's a security issue or something. [00:20] oh yeah, btw, not promising anything but we may have a little feature/link to our website on ubuntu.com [00:20] the screenshots shouldn't be censored that way because it's confusing (and looks bad). [00:21] godbyk: it was smeared by hand because it was a uni network we are redoing the english screenshots there are so many ui changes [00:22] ubuntujenkins: I understand. Just saying that we shouldn't do that for future screenshots. :) [00:23] thats fine i can redo that one now that i am at home, i can remane the network [00:23] ubuntujenkins, feel free to fix anything you can. I'm not aware of any issues with the references (aside from the fact that we made the nm-applet stuff bigger) [00:23] And the censored one. [00:23] Just use your real network name. =P [00:23] Nobody will know it's yours. [00:24] Or give it something generic, but real-looking, like "John Smith's House". [00:25] Because we won't be able to ensure that all volunteers will be able to rename their networks. [00:26] Lemme know what I can do. [00:26] have we changed it to godbyks server in the code? [00:31] No, I thought you were going to do that. [00:33] is it in line 363 right [00:33] and its changing to http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/ [00:34] so an ETA for when we'll have a working Live CD image and a release PPA? [00:37] That's the right URL. [00:37] what version number? [00:37] I don't know where my address is located, though. [00:37] * Red_HamsterX greps. [00:37] humphreybc: 1-1.5 hours [00:38] it takes time to get the cd to godbyk [00:38] Yeah, 636 is the only place where it's defined. [00:39] i typed that backwards :P [00:39] I figured it was what you meant. [00:49] * Red_HamsterX marks some of the bugfixes as published. [00:52] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-manual-team-to-provide-manual-on.html [00:52] humphreybc: if you every set up another project don't put two emails for maintaier it causes no end of problems [00:52] lol [00:53] what an audio tape whos reading it? [00:53] :) [00:53] read the press release, damnit [00:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/552544 I can't mark this as closed since, while I observe that the line has been fixed, I haven't tested it. Your bug, ubuntujenkins. [00:53] Launchpad bug 552544 in quickshot "Error on creating new user with Ubuntu Live CD" [Medium,Fix committed] [00:53] http://ubuntu-manual.org/?audiobook [00:54] whos Marlee Matlin.? [00:54] Red_HamsterX: marked as fixed [00:55] Then we have closed all open bugs. Yay [00:55] That article looks quasi-believable. [00:55] ;) [00:56] ...That *is* a joke, right? [00:56] if you find out who Marlee Matlin is, you'll figure it out [00:57] I know the name and enough to question you. [00:57] But I also know you're crazy. [00:57] And you may have access to vast sums of riches. [00:57] right quickshot will be in the ppa in about 10-15 mins [01:00] TIME'S UP, EVERYONE. PENCILS DOWN! [01:00] heh [01:00] man flash is screwed on my lucid install [01:00] * Red_HamsterX continues writing, frantically. [01:00] * godbyk slaps Red_HamsterX on the wrist with a ruler. [01:01] godbyk: in ten minutes once the cd is built and checked how do i get it to you? [01:01] Upload it using Quickshot! [01:01] ...Yeah, no. [01:02] FTP/SFTP? [01:03] * humphreybc really needs to fix this flash shit [01:03] ubuntujenkins: good question. [01:03] Torrent? [01:03] godbyk: said ftp before [01:03] Let me see if I can set up an ftp login for you or something. [01:04] I could run a tracker. [01:04] thanks [01:05] do i need any thing extra installed? whilst i am waiting for it to build? [01:05] For FTP? No. [01:05] just double checking [01:05] You can use Gnome's Connect to Server feature or the 'ftp' utility. [01:05] (Places -> Connect to Server) [01:05] right the packages in the ppa have built, just need to be published [01:06] cool never done ftp before [01:06] I'll boot the test box to make sure it works as expected. [01:06] You can use Connect to Server for SFTP, too. [01:06] And some other things. [01:06] It's well-integrated. [01:06] I will be burning to my memory stick to check it [01:07] You'll see it appear in all Nautilus (and anything else that supports Gnime VFS) windows. [01:07] I meant the PPA. =P [01:07] Gnome* [01:07] ubuntujenkins: I'm setting up an ftp for you. [01:07] thanks godbyk [01:09] ok the cd is made but... my laptop has locked up it should unfrezze soon [01:09] yikes! [01:09] strange how i can always use xchat [01:09] 696 mb spot on team [01:10] awesome [01:10] Nice! [01:10] i ripped out ubuntu one at the last minute [01:10] Hmm... The Quickshot download link in the wiki is dead. [01:11] Where should it point? [01:11] thats because there is no cd [01:11] ask godbyk [01:11] Oh, it's for the CD. [01:11] ppa stuff below [01:11] The button text mad eme think it was for the .deb for some reason. [01:12] okay [01:12] so what happens now that we've reached writing freeze? [01:12] start on the next one [01:12] I think that's your call, leader-man. =P [01:12] lol [01:13] when will quickshot be ready? [01:13] Once it's uploaded, if final testing goes well. [01:13] I'm testing the PPA build now. [01:13] godbyk, have you added http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-beta.pdf [01:13] ? [01:14] the ppa should be up, my laptop if frozen, i am hoping it will unfreeze soon [01:14] I'm literally committing it as we speak. [01:14] though I haven't symlinked -beta. [01:14] I'll do that. [01:14] ok [01:14] godbyk: i see your private message but can't answer, thank you [01:14] ubuntujenkins: no worries. let me know if you have problems with the ftp site. [01:14] i will [01:15] how many people do we think will download the ISO? [01:15] um [01:15] is this going to kill my site? :-) [01:15] probably not [01:15] maybe 100 people [01:15] well [01:15] we'll see [01:15] or more specifically, should we find a way to mirror it? [01:15] Torrent? [01:16] Ubuntu ships with tRansmission, so people won't need a special client. [01:16] Transmission* [01:18] humphreybc: shouldn't the progress bar get updated? [01:19] blah [01:19] yeah [01:19] PPA confirmed working in Japanese. [01:19] i'll do that now [01:19] what % do you reckon we're at now? [01:22] crap my laptop has over heated i am trying to boot it on s live cd [01:23] excuse my french [01:23] I paln to copy it to my hoome desktop [01:23] whish is old [01:23] 80% maybe? [01:24] I mean if it's really pencils-down, then we're done writing. [01:24] It's just up to me to fiddle with some formatting and make it all look as awesome as possible. [01:24] And for the translators to do their thing. [01:24] okay [01:24] i've made it 80% [01:24] PPA confirmed working in Arabic, too. [01:24] well thats one thing [01:25] humphreybc: Also, I need some more details as to what 'writing freeze' means. [01:25] If we're going to publish *exactly* what we have (sans formatting changes), then it's probably best if we branch this so I can fiddle with the formatting in its own branch. [01:25] Have another branch for the translators to work against. [01:25] And yet another for people to continue editing and writing material. [01:27] well basically we just don't want to cock up the strings for the translators [01:27] Okay. So we definitely need a branch for the translators to work against. [01:27] But everything else can carry on as normal, then right? [01:28] Red_HamsterX: good [01:31] i suppose so [01:34] I have started to burn the test cd [01:35] Arabic Ubuntu is scary -> أوبونتو العربية أمر مخي -> Ubuntu is the Arab brain | Thanks, Google! [01:46] ok i will be back [02:08] well the cd burn failed, then i burnt the wrong image to a pen drive. it works in a vitualmachine but still testing physical [02:09] lol! [02:09] godbyk: can i have the server details again please [02:09] keep it up luke! [02:19] now we have to figure out the branches [02:19] ok i am happy ftp copy started [02:20] and it's stable? [02:20] yeah, we should figure out the branch thing so we can keep working. [02:21] as stable as it can be, i am the only tester we haven't taken out anything major just redundant programs [02:21] and randow docs [02:21] it looks like we could rename "main" to "lucid-ed1" or something [02:21] and then branch off the beta release milestone to another series called "lucid-ed2" [02:21] maybe [02:21] but i'm not sure [02:22] move the focus of translation development on to series 'lucid-ed1' [02:22] this is the slowest ever connection 47kb/s [02:22] and keep the rest of us working on the trunk? [02:22] epkugelmass: yeah [02:22] something like that [02:22] trunk=main [02:22] I might grab someone to help us do that [02:22] someone who knows about launchpad and bzr :) [02:24] I also updated http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/. [02:24] ok its an eta of about 4hours iam off to bed [02:24] lol [02:24] righto then [02:24] Where it appears I've managed to break them all. :-) [02:24] godbyk, english AU and GB have a lot of errors :P [02:24] can some one update the wiki once the cd is up please [02:24] ubuntu-jenkins: i'll do that [02:24] don't worry [02:24] thanks i hope this doesn't fail [02:25] me too, me too [02:25] have we got a stable PPA? [02:25] yes the ppa is up [02:25] so at least people on Lucid can use it if the Live CD doesn't work? [02:25] neat [02:44] ubuntu-jenkins: how's the upload going? [02:48] I think he's gone to bed [02:52] I kinda hope so. [02:52] He needs sleep. :( [02:52] i do too... 32 hours without it :) [02:52] ah, 'kay. [02:53] not tired... just sore.. aches and shakes [02:53] 92 MB of the ISO image uploaded. [02:53] lol [02:53] website is starting to take shape [02:53] almost 1/7th of the way! [02:53] epkugelmass: indeed it is [02:53] i must have missed this [02:53] what's the iso for? [02:54] Quickshot Live CD [02:54] ah [02:54] so that the translators can take images for their languages? [03:30] yep [03:30] well [03:30] so we can get translated screenshots [03:30] even if you don't speak arabic, you can still take arabic screenshots and contribute them [03:30] that's the idea [04:00] ISO 274 MB so far. [04:55] that's good [05:18] 489 MB now. [05:19] Is he on dial-up or something? :-) [05:32] no idea [05:32] i'm going to bed [05:32] 36 hours awake now need sleep [05:32] humphreybc: lame. :) [05:32] i'll be up in about 4 hours, just gonna have a nap [05:32] good luck with that! [05:32] lol [07:08] dobyk i am on broadband but slo q sturff it looks like is done here [07:08] godbyk: ^^ [07:09] *slow [07:09] ubuntu-jenkins: I just noticed. I'm copying it to the site now. Is there a page or link I need to set up? [07:09] the one on dakers ebsite and the on eon the wiki thanks [07:10] i dn't like this keyboard [07:14] internet is dropping here again. :-( [07:17] ubuntujenkins__: what page on the website is the link on? [07:18] godbyk: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot [07:19] ubuntujenkins__: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot/ubuntu-manual-quickshot-i386-0.0.8.iso [07:20] that's the link if you want to download and check that it survived the transit. :) [07:24] thanks godbyk i can't understand how slow the upload was so slow i predicted about 40 minutes [07:25] so now we wait for the bug reports [07:28] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot [07:28] should work now [07:29] it works! [07:31] I'll download a copy and give it a shot. [07:31] if my internet actually works. :-( [07:32] i wonder how many downloads it will get? [07:33] Not sure. I need to write a php script to keep tally. :) [07:44] team: where can i get the latest pdf? [07:44] Po and pdf are not matching [07:48] shrini: http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-beta.pdf is the latest. [07:48] godbyk: thanks [07:49] ubuntu-manual.org site is not update with this link [07:49] lemme look. [07:49] :-) [07:50] shrini: the download worked okay for me. [07:51] it has this link [07:51] http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-draft.pdf [07:51] not the beta [07:51] oh.. the link on the page. gotcha. [07:52] -draft is the same as -beta anyway. [07:52] but I'll fix the link. [07:52] thanks [07:52] announce about the write freeze [07:53] in the home page [08:02] I think I've updated all the links now. [08:07] IlyaHaykinson's here. Yay! Aren't you up a bit late? [08:08] yeah, a bit. [08:08] it's midnight [08:08] i'm just writing a "what's next" email [08:08] Perfect! I was just going to pester you about that. [08:08] We need to branch stuff. [08:09] And I also want to enlist your help in putting together a style guide, too. :) [08:09] going to propose three tracks: 1) getting first edition to ship; 2) second edition for 10.04, theme "raise the quality bar"; 3) first edition for 10.10, theme "improve breadth of coverage" [08:09] sounds about right. [08:09] 1 is what translators will be building against. [08:10] 2 is what we'll continue to edit and perfect. [08:10] re the style guide: i think this will need to wait until late april for me. i am super-busy at work. [08:10] and 3 is what authors can come back in on and fill out bits that were cut last time, and changes for 10.10. [08:10] fair enough. [08:10] exactly. i think 2 will need to come more or less before 3. [08:10] they can overlap in that we can start planning for 3 before 2 is done [08:11] agreed. [08:11] but i want to really switch the focus from "get it out" to the second edition's "make it good" [08:11] so that we're left with a good platform for 10.10 [08:11] I really do, too. [08:11] That's why I want to get cracking on a style guide (and handy tools) to help with that. [08:12] hm, true. i would _love_ to help, and can do a bit here and there. [08:12] but i think i'll have only a couple of hours per week for the next 3 weeks [08:13] otherwise i'll be the long pole in my work project, which is no good. [08:13] that's cool. [08:13] I've got jaminday on board to help, too. [08:14] nice. [08:14] i think between all of us, we can make it happen little by little. [08:14] godbyk: link is changed. thanks [08:17] I hope so. [08:18] The GNOME docs style guide is quite nice, actually. [08:18] The Ubuntu docs style guide seems a lot less well-formed. [08:18] Though, I may just be missing the bulk of it. [08:18] I've only seen a few wiki pages of it. [08:21] the GNOME docs guide is what i've mainly been using [08:21] it's not totally complete though, given that Ubuntu has a few, er, ubuntuisms [08:21] like Ubuntu One or the Software Center [08:21] and thus some things that wouldn't be in the guide necessarily [08:22] yes. [08:22] one of the first things I'm going to do is start a word list that shows the proper spelling (and capitalization) of words we use. [08:23] app names, american spellings (vs. british spellings), company/organization names, gui elements, etc. [08:24] for gui elements, i think it's also helpful to include the proper action names, with examples [08:25] for example: button -- verbs: /click/, /click on/; use /click/ for common buttons, /click on/ for all other buttons. examples: /click/ \button{OK}. /click on/ the \button{Search Now} button. [08:25] kinda like the GNOME docs do [08:26] helped me a ton to have both the noun and verb in the same place [08:27] Definitely. [08:27] Their page for that was amazing. [08:27] We definitely need to pay attention to that. [08:28] shrini: hi [08:29] nifty; dominic edmunds emailed us. [08:30] who? [08:30] dominic being the lead designer for canonical web things [08:30] offering help [08:30] ah, I see the email now. [08:31] Team: I need help in translating ubuntu-manual [08:31] Team: the pdf and po is not matching [08:32] bala: I think that the pot hasn't been updated yet. [08:32] Usually dutchie handles that, but he hasn't been online today. [08:32] Hopefully he'll turn up at some point. :) [08:32] godbylc: Where i get it [08:34] godbyk: when i get it? [08:34] bala: I'm not sure yet. We will email the Ubuntu Manual mailing list when it's ready though. [08:34] bala: dutchie is a person who maintains the po [08:34] ok, going to sleep now [08:35] he has to do it [08:35] G'night, IlyaHaykinson. [08:35] hi all [08:35] let us hope [08:35] bye IlyaHaykinson [08:35] Hey, jaminday. [08:35] Shrini: But problem only in pdf [08:35] godbyk: evenin' [08:35] jaminday: Ready to get crackin' on a style guide? :) [08:35] bala: yes. pdf and po should match [08:35] bala: What is the problem? [08:36] godbyk: don't we get even a days rest! ;) [08:36] jaminday: nope! :) [08:36] godbyk:the data in the pdf is mismatch in po file [08:37] bala: Ah, I understand. When dutchie gets here, I will have him update the po file and rebuild the pdfs. [08:38] godbyk: for example: id no. 236 "This section describes how to use additional security programs to increase " [08:38] "the security of your system." is in po file. [08:38] godbyk: but in pdf pg no: 138 You may also want to use a ﬁrewall, or use encryption, to further increase the [08:38] security of your system. like this [08:40] bala: Right. We have been doing a lot of changes this week. But we're not making any more changes now. [08:40] When dutchie arrives, he will update the po files for you so that they match the PDF. [08:40] godbyk: oh ok ok [08:43] hahaha... i just saw the audio book announcement [08:43] jaminday: it is great [08:44] Heh. [08:44] shrini: yes it is. Had me scratching my head for a couple of minutes though... [08:44] hahaha [08:44] I'm enjoying the comments on the omgubuntu article about it. [08:44] godbyk: ooh i'll have a read [08:46] godbyk: so what's the verdict now that we are past writing freeze? [08:47] godbyk: thank you for ur information [08:48] bala: You're welcome. [08:48] jaminday: what verdict? [08:49] well should we be celebrating or hiding... I'm sure there is probably still lots of stuff that didn't get fixed [08:50] jaminday: ha! yeah, I'm not really sure. [08:50]