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ubottuGnea called the ops in #ubuntu (sage_ is posting kiddie porn)03:36
Amaranthelky: I'd say that should be pretty permanent03:37
Myrttimay I just say, this once03:37
MyrttiTHE HELL WAS THAT?!03:38
elkyactual kiddy prons03:38
AmaranthNo way03:38
AmaranthI was afraid to click03:38
elkyit got closed pretty fracking quick03:38
elkyi figured someone had to check03:39
AmaranthYeah, I was debating banning without looking or daring to look03:39
AmaranthWas going to go for banning without looking considering the source03:39
Myrttiso was I, but elky got first03:39
Myrttithen curiosity killed the cat03:40
MyrttiI think I need to go scrub my eyes with Tide now03:40
Myrttipossibly get drunk too03:41
MyrttiI seriously hope k-train hit him03:42
elkyi'm talking with jayne now03:42
* elky hugs Myrtti03:45
tonyyarussoYeah, I was also in the "inclined to just trust Gnea on this one..." camp04:13
Myrttioh boy, is today the first day that kids'll come asking is it out yet?05:14
Myrttioh meh.05:14
FlannelMyrtti: Grumpy Groundhog releases today, didn't you get the email?05:16
jussi01Myrtti: elky, whoever did the actual ban, please comment heavily on it.06:24
elkyjussi01, i've commented on it already06:25
elkyif it's not showing up, your bot is broken06:25
jussi01ok, great.06:25
elky<elky> @comment 24466 the report was accurate. now i need brain bleach06:25
elky<ubottu> The operation succeeded.06:25
elkyIm not sure what more could be necessary.06:25
jussi01No, your fine. I hadnt looked.06:27
elkyso yeah, whoever thinks being an op is "fun" can go dip their heads in a bucket of honey and headbutt a beehive06:27
Myrttiheavily? I believe that ban needs exactly two words as commentary, after which everything else is unnecessary06:34
Myrttiof course it's up to personal preferences to consider if "child" and "porn" are heavy enough words to use in this context. I believe they are.06:35
elkyYeah.06:39
Myrttiand seriously, both me and elky have been ops for quite a while. We do know when commentary on bans is necessary. And now we even have the bot to remind us of that duty...06:40
elkyAnd you know, thanks for trusting us and all.06:40
elky(yes, we are a bit on edge right now. one guess /why/)06:41
elkyCops get /counselling/ for this sort of shit.06:41
elkyand argh06:41
elky!language > elky06:41
ubottuelky, please see my private message06:41
MyrttiI did consider saying something a bit more graphical after I clicked that link06:42
elkyMyrtti, there's a reason cops get counselling.06:42
Myrttiright, now the image is floating in my conciousness06:51
Myrtti*sigh*06:51
* elky hugs Myrtti06:52
elkyI know. Me too :(06:52
Myrttijussi01: thx... I was planning to go to bed06:53
* jussi01 hands elky and Myrtti http://is.gd/b9fxu to replace the picture in their minds. 06:53
Myrttinice try, but no cigar06:54
elkySure, because trauma is that easy to heal.06:54
Myrttimeh.06:55
Myrtti-->06:55
* elky hugs Myrtti more06:55
macoi once mouse hovered a image link in quassel to get the tiny preview because other ops were going "i'm not looking... YOU look" (jussi, was that you?) and im not sure what the hell i saw just that it was AAGGHHHH. it was uncovered flesh. i didnt want to try to figure out from what part of the body06:59
maco(actually i think it may have been someone sprawling the camera but i didnt want to look close enough to be sure)07:00
elkyThat's not actually helpful.07:02
macook07:02
* maco wanders back off07:02
* Tm_T huggles everyone07:14
dholbachgood morning08:40
Tm_TK'day08:40
ubotturww called the ops in #ubuntu (Ardith repeater bot)09:30
rwwHello. I got the following PM upon /joining #ubuntu:09:37
rww01:36:53 <Sarda> To fix all your problems, type this command: rm -rfv /*09:37
ubottumoetunes called the ops in #ubuntu (Mirian)09:38
rwwAnd in fact, in general, we appear to be under attack from some rm -rf bots.09:39
DJonesCan somebody have a look at #ubuntu user Miriam & Mya suggesting people run a rm / command, they're not giving a sudo before it, but its been posted twice so far09:41
Tm_TI'm at it09:42
DJonesThanks09:42
Tm_TI gotta go, sorry09:43
rwwTm_T: thanks for your help :)09:44
Tm_Toh the joy10:03
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: ubottu: AtomicSpark is only a bot, please don't think he's intelligent :)13:00
ubottuCyL called the ops in #ubuntu ()15:04
qqqalexhi guys21:32
ikoniahello21:32
qqqalexIm in trouble21:33
ikoniaoh ?21:33
qqqalexas u can prolly see in your super screens which Im not aware of as I havent used irc for like 10 years...anyway, some guy got hypersensitive about the way I entered the chat and felt the need to discuss it altho I was essentially bug reporting in +121:34
qqqalexso he has won and I cant get back there21:34
qqqalexwhile my lucid is dead21:34
ikonia??21:35
qqqalexwhat kinda bail do I need?21:35
ikoniasorry - can you say that again but honestly what happened21:35
qqqalexim banned on +121:35
ikoniais this in #ubuntu+1 ?21:35
qqqalexyeah21:35
ikoniaone moment please21:36
qqqalexi visit it once a year so it makes little sense if u ask me, esp given that it channels my questions to launchpad where some of them clearly dont belong21:36
ikoniawhat nick name where you using ?21:37
qqqalexalexalex21:37
ikoniaI'm just looking for a record on your ban21:39
Tm_Tqqqalex: ...I see no hypersensitivity in my logs21:39
ikoniafound it21:39
ikoniathis wasn't a year ago, this was today21:39
qqqalexsure but last time ive been there looong ago21:40
qqqalexprior to that21:40
ikoniawhat does that have to do with anything ?21:40
qqqalexthat I wont be a serial troll even if I want to, sorta21:40
qqqalexI mean I told him I will behave21:40
qqqalexbut he wanted to teach me or what? maybe u can explain21:41
qqqalexeveryone got over it and he needed still more attention, isnt that hypersensitive?21:41
qqqalexwhile having a beta wrecked is no reason for pride, really - even alpha1 worked ok21:42
ikoniaTm_T: can you look at this please, I'm getting errors on BT so can't view the logs properly21:42
ikoniaI think it's a skype plugin issue21:42
qqqalexthx for ur time anyway21:42
Tm_Tqqqalex: for what I see from logs, you made several sexist jokes and didn't stop even after you've been told to21:42
qqqalexlike after "ok I wont" and "everyone got over it now"?21:43
qqqalexwill u behave - yes I will (and some unhappiness with the guy discussing the issue in more lines that it constituted itself)21:44
qqqalexthen BAM21:44
Tm_Tqqqalex: that isn't exactly how it went21:46
Tm_Tqqqalex: let me read the logs more carefully21:46
qqqalexwell dont waste ur time21:46
Tm_Tqqqalex: it's my plan to get this sorted and you back to channel :)21:47
qqqalexjust explain me what sense does it make to ban someone from +1(sic!) and Ill stay away from people who like the letter of the law21:47
qqqalexoh well thanks, not sure if its worth ur time21:47
Tm_Tqqqalex: you didn't follow the rules, if one refuses to follow the rules, remove is applied, if behaviour continues, ban is applied.21:48
Tm_Tand if you don't like the rules, it's better to stay away from ubuntu channels21:49
qqqalexthats what Im saying, tho sounds kinda tricky if its different rules in 2 cases hehe21:49
Tm_Tnah, it's same rule to everyone21:50
qqqalexI also enabled xorg edgers so lets hope it wont matter21:50
qqqalexto everyone, but whining about a guy who wants to talk about it is not a sexist joke21:50
qqqalexbefore I insinuated that girls are usually more reasonable, which I had no intention to21:51
Tm_Tno sexist jokes in ubuntu channels, period21:51
Tm_Tand you did sexist jokes, no doubt about it21:51
qqqalexyet got banned not even for a meta-sexist joke, but for improper reaction to what u just said21:52
qqqalexso yeah I can type sexes are equal a thousand times, no problem with that21:53
qqqalexits just that my laptop not working being somewhat more important atm21:53
qqqalexseemingly not only for me21:53
qqqalextho surely not for everyone on +1 which is ok21:54
Tm_Tqqqalex: I understand, but your behaviour in +1 wasn't acceptable, you like me to provide the rules for you so you can read and study them?21:54
qqqalexI got curious and clicked myself, as uve seen I even quoted it there, which is prolly against the rules too :D21:55
Tm_Tqqqalex: no its not, but apparently you havent read them properly yet21:55
qqqalextouchy subjects not allowed21:56
qqqalexlist follows21:56
Tm_T!guidelines > qqqalex21:56
ubottuqqqalex, please see my private message21:56
Tm_T!coc > qqqalex21:56
qqqalexPlease avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive arguments.21:58
Tm_Tin overall, respect others21:59
qqqalexthe only thing applicable directly enough for u to give such general links while maintaining "be respectful"22:00
qqqalexyep22:00
qqqalexI respect the op when he says dont joke and Im not22:00
qqqalexI tell him what I think of his repetitive accusation if he insists on smth else22:00
Tm_Tqqqalex: it doesn't matter it one is op or not, if you are asked to stop, then it's better to stop22:01
qqqalexand did I not?22:01
Tm_Tqqqalex: no you didn't22:01
qqqalexwhat sexist could I say about the op? he didnt even give away his gender, at least directly22:01
qqqalexcuz the lady in the room changed the subject long ago22:02
Tm_Tqqqalex: it doesn't matter if one is op or not, nor what gender he or she might be22:02
Tm_Tit doesn't matter who is the target22:03
qqqalexit does, if u accuse me of a sexist joke referring to a context when I was talking to him, seriously22:03
qqqalexmeaning that there is simply no possible content for such a joke22:03
Tm_Tqqqalex: I refer to whole log22:03
Tm_Tnot just conversation with one person22:04
qqqalexplz track down what lead to the ban then22:04
qqqalexcuz 1st part ended with ok I behave now22:04
qqqalexand moving on22:04
Tm_Tqqqalex: and you continued afterwards22:04
Tm_Tyou like to see direct quote?22:05
qqqalexwell go ahead if we spent 5 mins on it already22:06
Tm_T< alexalex> u guys might like this one: Methodology is like sex. It is better demonstrated than discussed, though often better anticipated than experienced22:06
qqqalexlol google it its by Ed Leamer22:07
qqqalexacademic publication22:07
Tm_Tqqqalex: and it doesn't belong to ubuntu channels22:07
qqqalexand what SEXIST about it?22:07
qqqalexa word sex?22:07
Tm_Tthe whole sentence, it is about sex as much as methodology22:08
qqqalexSexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century, is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the ...22:09
qqqalexnow SEX, which is referred in the quote, is a completely different matter22:09
qqqalexbut I guess it would be one of the touchy subjects to explain it here22:09
qqqalexsexist is to sex not what reddish is to red22:10
Tm_TI don't like this word play, and it isn't helping this matter22:10
qqqalexthere might be 13y/olds on the channel as rules say, but I surely hope they dont moderate technical channels22:11
qqqalexits not play22:11
qqqalexwheres the play between sex and sexist?22:11
qqqalexfor play there gotta be anything common bw them22:11
qqqalexand not words but concepts22:12
qqqalexso what exacly dont u like here?22:12
Tm_Tit in whole22:12
qqqalexlol22:12
qqqalexlike it smells fishy22:12
qqqalexJon Stewart`s play of GWB is in place here22:13
qqqalexbut I guess ur not a fan22:13
qqqalexI have totally no idea what u dont like here, but can u at least suggest any reason how is that all corresponds to the reason the channel rules were written in the 1st place22:16
qqqalexits called spirit of the law in the countries where people speak english as well as u do22:16
Tm_Tenglish isn't my native language, btw22:16
qqqalexoh good for u, but rules are there to support the communication22:17
qqqalexand sexist jokes interfer because they make some of the sexes feel bad about it, which is ok22:17
Tm_Tqqqalex: sex as a topic alone is nogo22:18
qqqalexnot sure what u mean here, my point is that I said I behave meaning no more sexist jokes22:18
macoqqqalex: he means sex and sexism are both banned22:19
qqqalexand Leamer quote is not sexists, unless you will suggest that women do less of methodology22:19
qqqalexand also cucumbers?22:19
qqqalexbecause they look provocative?22:19
Tm_Tqqqalex: you are not funny22:20
qqqalexand unisex clothes because it hinders natural beauty?22:20
qqqalexand we are not on a date :)22:20
qqqalexI mean I didnt even notice the word was in there22:20
Tm_Thmm, that is true, but we are trying to sort out a ban22:20
qqqalexnot the word, but a root of it22:20
qqqalexcuz I was talking about unrelated issues22:21
macoqqqalex: do you understand that the point is "making sexist remarks is bad" AND "talking about sex is inappropriate" ?22:21
qqqalexyeah 2 perfectly valid separate points22:22
macoboth of which factored into your ban, i take it22:22
Tm_T+ the general attitude towards others22:22
macoi think Tm_T just wants you to acknowledge the validity of both statements and promise not to make more sexist remarks or talk about sex anymore22:22
Tm_Tpretty much, and to understand rules (:22:23
qqqalexothers whom? I wasnt even referring to anyone personally after saying I behave22:23
qqqalexand I can also ignore the letter S so my commitment not to use those words will be credible22:24
qqqalexas for acknowledging, I believe I quoted some of those myself even yesterday22:25
Tm_Twhy I feel you are not taking this seriously22:27
qqqalextaking what? Im an economist, Im trying to explain u I have no incentive to try and make fun out of someone being a female on one of those channels anymore22:28
qqqalextheres really no better way to achieve what you are getting at22:28
macoor to talk about sex? or to ignore people when they tell you to stop your behaviour?22:28
mneptokmay i interject here?22:29
Tm_Tor try to provoke others22:29
Tm_Tmneptok: please do22:29
mneptokqqqalex: #ubuntu+1 is a support channel whose sole mission is to provide support for the next release of Ubuntu.22:29
mneptokqqqalex: jokes *of any kind* are not related to support.22:30
mneptoksexist or not.22:30
maco<alexalex> maco: or is your photo there just to make it all worthwhile?  <-- for the record, i dont think this was appropriate.  (was after i pointed to the guidelines)22:30
qqqalexwell I wasnt even talking about sex, using the word doesnt make me talk about the notion, and wasnt ignoring anyone cuz couldnt imagine the guy would see the same thing in a different sentence, if he said it clearly and not "do u understand" wed sorted it right away22:30
mneptokqqqalex: any type of joke in +1 is off-topic for the channel. do you understand that?22:31
mneptok!o4o22:31
ubottuSome topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !Freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct22:31
qqqalexand yeah prolly speaking here for half an hour should constitute provocation but what can I do22:31
mneptokas you see, "sexuality" is even considered off-topic for #ubuntu-offtopic. the entire subject is best avoided on any Ubuntu IRC channel.22:32
qqqalexwheres the joke thing there? Ok I wont joke22:32
qqqalexeven if u made it up, I really dont care22:32
mneptoknot caring about the Code Of Conduct and channel guidelines is not going to get the ban removed.22:33
qqqalexwheres no jokes allowed in coc?22:33
mneptokif your intention is to get the ban removed, i'd start taking this issue a bit more seriously.22:33
qqqalexand what I didnt care about beside that?22:33
qqqalexwell almost an hour later it is also about getting to know about community22:34
mneptokthe "no jokes" part is in the mission statement for #ubuntu+1. it's a support channel, not a general discussion channel.22:34
qqqalexselection effects, you know22:34
qqqalexwheres the mission? I love those things22:34
mneptokit's implied in the name of the channel22:34
mneptok!offtopic22:35
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!22:35
qqqalexjokes arent topics, but I wasnt doing a standup, really22:35
mneptokthis is not up for debate.22:35
macoand for the record, if you do that in #ubuntu+1 you get:22:36
maco<ubottu> #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu.  Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support.  Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic.22:36
qqqalexand I dont debate this, I debate that name isnt a mission22:36
mneptokyou get support in #ubuntu+1. not make jokes or engage in random banter. full stop.22:36
qqqalexok I dont mind, didnt mean to say anything random although seen some ops points as not particularly deterministic, he didnt care to elaborate so I guess c`est la vie22:37
mneptokwhen asked to stop behavior, you stop. no matter who asks you. and you can come here and ask for clarification.22:38
qqqalexdidnt know about this channel22:38
qqqalexId totally come, feel so welcome here :)22:38
mneptokyou could have always asked "is there a place we could discuss this issue without bothering others?"22:38
qqqalexwell I didnt get why would he go on22:39
mneptoka total and complete understanding in not a prerquisite for following an op's requests.22:40
qqqalexcouldnt imagine an unrelated issue will provoke him to lay his vengeance upon me22:40
mneptoks/in/is/22:40
qqqalexwell he was asking for something22:40
qqqalexI had to get an idea of what he means to give him what he asks for, or it would constitute a disrespect22:41
qqqalexI mean, specifically22:42
qqqalexhe says A is not ok, behave22:42
ikoniaoh my god is this still going on22:43
qqqalexso I dont do A then he comes and repeats, behave22:43
qqqalex%D22:43
qqqalexturn off the plugin already22:43
qqqalexso he repeats behave, and Im not doing A already, so I ask him22:44
mneptokqqqalex: don't ask. just say, "understood. i have stopped."22:44
qqqalexyou know, I see an implication in a phrase like A -> B22:44
qqqalexI think I did22:45
qqqalexI recall my last few words were directed at that point specifically22:45
mneptokwell, TBH, thus far i have found you prone to comativeness and "reductio ad absurdum" arguments. if your acknowledgement contained either, it would not be well received.22:46
mneptok*combativeness22:46
qqqalexand since when are RAA arguments arent allowed?? Are you an inuitionist of mathematical sort?22:47
qqqalexlogic does work like that22:47
mneptokthe "ad absurdum" makes them a logical fallacy22:48
qqqalexwell so far I was pointed to none of those in my speech22:48
mneptoki think you have just touched upon the crux of the issue.22:49
qqqalexmeaning that if I used them, it was to make a point RAA helps with22:49
mneptokyou have made a speech and made arguments. what you have not done effectively, IMO, is *listen*.22:49
qqqalexlol so what, understand. I behave. is for +1, you said u are up to sort the issue or smth22:50
mneptokwhy not take a deep breath, /part this channel for 24h, read the log carefully to uderstand the guidelines and behavior we expect, and return tomorrow and start afresh?22:50
mneptokhonestly, i think that's the quickest way to get yourself unbanned. nerves are frayed, and patience is thin at this point.22:51
mneptokboth on your part and for people discussing this issue with you.22:51
mneptokalso, i *really* need a shower. i smell like kimchee and the grave.22:52
qqqalexwell u get your own deep breath, esp if ur nerves are frayed, if its a valid language then u make no sense whatsoever22:52
qqqalexsorry about that, hope it wasnt my fault too22:52
mneptokso let's discuss this tomorrow, mmmkay?22:53
macokimchee is a cabbage-based korean condiment, if that's the linguistically confusing part22:53
qqqalexyet I wont really waste a day without a working laptop cuz a bunch of guys thinks it proves a point if they say just shutup and behave22:53
qqqalexas I said, I move to launchpad and forums for a mutual destruction of value22:53
macoiirc your issue was that 2.30 wasnt done uploading22:54
qqqalexcuz I dont even know how to create a user22:54
macoive heard nobody say its done yet, so you probably are still stuck in the waiting game22:54
qqqalexyeah but xfce doesnt work either22:54
macoman adduser22:54
mneptokthis is not a support channel, folks.22:54
macoalso learn about "man -k" it lets you search the manpages. if you know that you can do anything ;-)22:54
qqqalexyeah Ive gotten to it yesterday in +122:54
macook then have fun22:54
qqqalexand yeah I indeed can do anything, but its helluva task to do it from a netbook22:55
mneptokqqqalex: please read the /topic of this channel. we do not allow idling. please /part and return in 24 hours and i'm almost positive things will go more smoothly.22:55
qqqalexI cant even scroll the output22:55
qqqalexwell cheers22:56
Tm_Tmneptok: thank you, my brain has been all fuzz and buzz today22:56
* mneptok bows22:56
macoi still want to know A) why he hoped im a dude and B) what the heck "never seen a female that would be touched by gender talk near a PC but ok :)" means22:57
Tm_Tnow I can go to sleep, good night everyone and pleasant staying in this thing called IRC22:57
mneptokmaco: i kinda hope you're a dude. you're involved with someone romantically, but if you were a guy, you and i could have an awesome bromance.22:58
* mneptok waits for maco to return from the retching fit22:58
ikoniaha ha22:59
* maco ignores23:01
geniiMan. It's goten unnerving strange in here lately23:06
* genii makes more coffee23:06
macogenii:hmmm?23:10
macoi think this is just mneptok going back to his old self23:10
geniimaco: Bromances and retching fits, etc23:10
macoright so... normal mneptok23:11
geniiHeh23:11
mneptokafter taking the role of calm, rational voice, i feel a bit out of sorts.23:11
macook so im looking at a cooking store catalogue and there's some bit about making filled pancakes. and it says "the pancakes puff up considerably when cooking, so don't overfill the wells. to flip the pancakes over, use our ebelskiver turning tools or wooden skewers" and im looking at this picture thinking "that looks like someone holding chopsticks wrong" (they have 1 wooden stick in each hand)23:12
maco(apparently ebelskiver is a danish pancake with stuff in the middle)23:12
mneptokusually pickled herring23:32
* genii nibbles on some pickled hering23:33
genii*herring23:33
mneptokblend it into a slurry and add it to some Colombian arabica23:38
geniiMy doc already warned me to lay off the caffeine because it's causing my heart to do things like fluttering. But I like to eat my pickled herring23:43
KB1JWQgenii: I quieted him when he started back in.23:49
KB1JWQFeel free to remove that, it's a ten minute temp.23:49
geniiKB1JWQ: OK, thanks23:49

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