[00:00] <dna42> syddraf: thats pretty weird
[00:00] <syddraf> dna42: I bet some packages got lost in translation somewhere. I'm going to do a full reinstall tonight and see wha thappens.
[00:01] <arand> penguin42: Actually the SI unit K is kelvin.
[00:01] <penguin42> arand: Sorry, not unit, prefix
[00:01] <dna42> syddraf: hey, thats right, while i got my upgrade, i had some warnings about packages not being fetched, if i remember right
[00:02] <dna42> syddraf: the weird thing is that the system didnt fetch them afterwards with the first update...
[00:10] <crimsun> neat, ubuntu-desktop is installable again
[00:12] <ninjai> is it possible to tether with ubuntu? Just curious... if you need any special drivers or anything
[00:14] <bjsnider> crimsun, i have replaced my creative card with an m-audio transit
[00:15] <arand> ninjai: For me it asks if I want to use the phone to connect to the internet as soon as I connect it via BT, so I'd assume not, but I've never tried...
[00:15] <ninjai> arand: me either, just cruious.
[00:24] <crimsun> bjsnider: good card.
[00:33]  * penguin42 wonders why kvm/libvirt can't boot from a usb disk
[00:35] <BUG_vacations> ninjai: what device?
[00:36] <BUG_vacations> cause android is pretty easy
[00:36] <BUG_vacations> just enable tether on the phone side, and plug usb cable or enable wifi/BT
[00:36] <BUG_vacations> and your PC will _just_ work
[00:43] <bjsnider> crimsun, is the neil aldur ppa going to be necessary for the transit to work in lucid?
[00:44] <crimsun> bjsnider: err, I don't know. I use my own scripts.
[00:45] <DanaG> transit? m-audio?
[00:45] <crimsun> I've carried them since 2006 or so.
[00:45] <DanaG> crimsun: random thing: now my CM106 card randomly started configuring CORRECTLY upon hotplug.
[00:46] <DanaG> Not sure what changed... but there was my only gripe with PulseAudio... now fixed!  Sweet.
[00:46] <bjsnider> crimsun, that ppa has madfuload
[00:46] <crimsun> bjsnider: ...so does multiverse?
[00:46] <bjsnider> doesn't work
[00:46] <crimsun> huh? It WFM.
[00:47] <crimsun> where is it broken for you?
[00:47] <crimsun> ...and where's the bug report? :-)
[00:47] <bjsnider> it simply doesn't do its job. the ppa version does. the driver is not loaded until the ppa version is in there
[00:47] <danyR> hey guys, some urgent help: how are ATI drivers working for you? i'm going to buy a new laptop with a Radeon 5650 and I plan (I will!) use only Ubuntu and suse 11.2 kde.
[00:48] <crimsun> bjsnider: err, that isn't going to help. I need an strace, at least.
[00:48] <bjsnider> well, you have the hardware
[00:48] <crimsun> compare the udev rules, etc.
[00:48] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes, and it works here
[00:48] <crimsun> so if it doesn't work for *you*, I need a bug report
[00:48] <bjsnider> the ppa owner undoubtedly knows all there is to know about this
[00:48] <bjsnider> i just bought the thing today
[00:50] <genii> bjsnider: Any word on bluray libs?
[00:51] <bjsnider> genii, the project leader has been awol for months. either he's dead or he's not currently alive
[00:51] <genii> Hm
[01:06] <almoxarife> I use google-chromium, it needs java plugin, I don't want to run firefox anymore, I can't get rid of firefox because java plugin depends on firefox, how do I get around that? is there a way to trick java plugin into considering chromium a dependency in lieu of firefox?
[01:07] <almoxarife> I want to un-install firefox, failed to mention
[01:08] <almoxarife> any reason to not upgrade to kernel xxxxxxx.19?
[01:12] <nhasian> any idea why my iphone 3G no longer mounts when i plug it in?
[01:15] <BlaWiz> i installed 10.04 from a cd-image, will this install become "stable" when 10.04 is deveoped to stable?
[01:15] <penguin42> BlaWiz: Pretty much, there are normally a few small differences between one installed from final and one installed and upgraded, but from the beta level it should get pretty close
[01:16] <IdleOne> there are no java packages in lucid?
[01:16] <IdleOne> !search sun-java6
[01:16] <penguin42> IdleOne: I was told they moved to a partnet repo
[01:16] <penguin42> ner
[01:16] <BlaWiz> penguin42: cool :)
[01:17] <BlaWiz> i can upgrade 10.04 once a day now :P
[01:17] <BlaWiz> so much development!
[01:17] <IdleOne> penguin42: where do I enable this partner repo?
[01:18] <penguin42> BlaWiz: Watch out the Gnome 2.30 stuff is just settling down again
[01:18] <penguin42> IdleOne: Not sure
[01:18] <BlaWiz> penguin42: what do you mean?
[01:19] <penguin42> BlaWiz: Sometimes the changes to the beta can get worse before they get better; the last few days a lot of the gnome stuff has been changing
[01:20] <IdleOne> penguin42: ok how is it that java is working fine for me?
[01:20] <penguin42> IdleOne: I don't know - is it?
[01:20] <IdleOne> it was
[01:20] <IdleOne> lemme test again
[01:21] <BlaWiz> penguin42: ah... that would explain some nastyness occuring on my comp
[01:21] <yofel> IdleOne: by default openjdk should be installed for java (with icedtea plugin for firefox)
[01:21] <IdleOne> yofel: ok and if when I upgraded I had java installed?
[01:22] <yofel> IdleOne: and the partner repos should be available in the 'Other Software' tab in software properties
[01:22] <yofel> IdleOne: you mean sun java? not sure
[01:22] <yofel> IdleOne: maybe it just left the karmic version installed, what does 'apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre' tell you for the installed version?
[01:23] <IdleOne> heh
[01:23] <IdleOne> NONE
[01:23] <IdleOne> I don't see anything about partner repo in the software sources
[01:24] <yofel> IdleOne: well, the soures.list enties are these:
[01:24] <yofel> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[01:24] <yofel> deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[01:26] <IdleOne> yofel: thank you
[01:26] <ug|xdcc13> i am getting the grub 17 error, and have tried to use the livecd to remove data from my thumbdrive, but it won't read it.
[01:26] <ug|xdcc13> anyone can help?
[01:27] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: When do you get the grub error exactly?
[01:27] <yofel> hm... does anyone know if it's possible to install grub2 to a floppy?
[01:27] <IdleOne> what's a floppy?
[01:27] <IdleOne> :P
[01:28] <yofel> hehe
[01:28] <IdleOne> I have no clue but probably
[01:28] <Stik> I've used lilo too long I don't know jack about grub yet :|
[01:28] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• at startup
[01:28] <penguin42> yofel: I'd try grub-mkimage
[01:28] <yofel> I know it sounds weird, but something in win7 destroys my in the MBR installed grub2 regularily and I need to boot a live disk to reinstall grub, would be nice to have a backup option
[01:28] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: On your hard disk or your thumb disk?
[01:28] <IdleOne> yofel: if you figure it out would be something to add to the !grub2 wiki
[01:29] <yofel> penguin42: will try, thanks
[01:29] <yofel> IdleOne: good idea
[01:29] <penguin42> yofel: Also the system->Administration->make start up usb disk works great
[01:29] <ug|xdcc13> penguin, grub on thumb drive, and loads bios, then 1st startup is USB... freezes
[01:30] <yofel> penguin42: do you know the app name? I don't use gnome
[01:30] <IdleOne> yofel: like you said, could be a good backup for some
[01:30] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: Hang on, explain your setup, you have grub on the thumb drive, then something else on usb?
[01:30] <yofel> indeed
[01:30] <penguin42> yofel: Try usb-creator-gtk or usb-creator-kde if that's your cup of tea
[01:31] <yofel> oh that one, well, I just want a backup of grub, not an usb live image
[01:31] <IdleOne> ohhhh ahhhh kernel upgrade
[01:31] <crimsun> ok, we should be good to go with GNOME 2.30 seeing as ubuntu-desktop is installable again
[01:31] <ug|xdcc13> just grub on thumb, nothing in cd, and xp on hdd. that was and is the startup sequence. was working for a 6+ months. now upon starting comp with TD, get grub 17
[01:32] <crimsun> I'll leave the warning in the topic for a few more hours, but it can be removed afterward
[01:34] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: OK, so ubuntu is also on the thumb drive?
[01:34] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• yes
[01:34] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: And how did you create that thumb drive?
[01:34] <ug|xdcc13> it was given to me a while ago by someone
[01:35] <penguin42> hmm so a disk that was given to you a while ago that we don't know how it's setup suddenly stopped booting
[01:36] <ug|xdcc13> yeah... i cant access the TD to get my info off to do a clean install
[01:36] <ug|xdcc13> it is from my step-dad
[01:36] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: That's a bit messy with out knowing how the thumb drive was setup
[01:37] <ug|xdcc13> ok, what info should i ask him, i can email him, but he might not answer for a few hours...
[01:37] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: Just ask him how he created the thumb drive image
[01:37] <matmatmat> after upgrading to lucid my computer boots into console instead of x
[01:37] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: In particular where it's data goes
[01:37] <matmatmat> how can i fix this?
[01:38] <matmatmat> i can startx just fine
[01:38] <penguin42> matmatmat: try start gdm  (if you're a gdm user)
[01:38] <matmatmat> xfce
[01:39] <matmatmat> xdm?
[01:39] <penguin42> not sure
[01:40] <nick125> xfce uses GDM, IIRC.
[01:40] <matmatmat> well
[01:40] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• I know that everything is stored on the TD unless I mount the HDD, then I can use it...
[01:40] <nick125> Well, either gdm or something like....
[01:41] <matmatmat> its mythbuntu actually, thats a mythtv kind of thing, its supposed to automatically log on
[01:41] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: I wonder how it's stored on the hard disk though - it might be an overlay file or it might be a separate partition; figure that out I'd say and then you can find your data
[01:41] <matmatmat> i wouldnt want a gdm before that
[01:41] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: In particular he may have made it with the 'start up disk creator'
[01:41] <matmatmat> theres neither gdm nor xdm installed
[01:42] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• ok, would it make a difference if there is a user/password?
[01:42] <matmatmat> and im not sure if it would screw up anything if i did install
[01:42] <penguin42> ug|xdcc13: Depends how it was done
[01:42] <penguin42> matmatmat: Nah, you sohuld be OK to install gdm
[01:42] <ug|xdcc13> ok. waiting for a reply from him
[01:43] <almoxarife> Apr  1 17:26:07 portopim python: hp-systray[17232]: error: option -s not recognized <-- my syslog shows this error, hp-systray is not installed though, I see 'python' I assume it was called by it, where might I look to strip that call?
[01:44] <Takyoji> When booting 10.04 today (worked fine earlier today and all), apparently the screen is completely blank, and there's no LCD backlight (perhaps implying that the LCD screen isn't being used). Trying to switch to a terminal (via Ctrl+Alt+F#) makes no difference. Can't even boot in recovery mode either. But can boot my Ubuntu 9.10 partition just fine.
[01:44] <Takyoji> Assuming it's an X11 issue
[01:44] <penguin42> time for bed
[01:44] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• thanks, i will be looking for some help tomorrow
[01:47] <ug|xdcc13> •penguin42• it was installed direct from a CD to the thumb drive without a HDD installed.
[01:49] <ug|xdcc13> anybody else feel like helping out?
[01:53] <ug|xdcc13> any one esle on here that knows ubuntu and grub?
[01:57] <killown> there is many peoples having many trouble with ubuntu lucid?
[01:57] <killown> i am thinking upgrade to lucid
[01:58] <killown> if it has not so unstable
[01:58] <collinp> It's still beta/prerelease software - we're still making things work right.
[02:00] <killown> collinp, if i upgrade it for lucid, there is anyway for downgrade?
[02:00] <collinp> killown: Not as far as I know.
[02:01] <collinp> If you're worried about stability issues, don't upgrade until the official release.
[02:01] <killown> ok
[02:01] <killown> thanks
[02:04] <KayAteChef> what is better about Lucid?
[02:05] <killown> gnome 2.30?
[02:05] <killown> ubuntu music store
[02:06] <killown> boot more fast
[02:06] <killown> best hardware support
[02:06] <KayAteChef> hardware support eh... interesting
[02:07] <KayAteChef> I am running jaunty on three machines and I was never able to get sound to work on the HP laptop
[02:07] <killown> yes, lucid has a new kernel i think is 2.6.32 or .33
[02:07] <KayAteChef> unless I plugged in a usb sound card
[02:07] <killown> you can use oss4
[02:07] <killown> #oss
[02:07] <KayAteChef> okie doke
[02:08] <KayAteChef> odd number kernel releases are 'experimental', I think ubuntu would use the even number
[02:10] <avu> KayAteChef, that only goes for the second number (the 6 in our case)
[02:10] <KayAteChef> oh ok
[02:11] <avu> and that model has basically been abandoned
[02:12] <DanaG> what model?
[02:12] <DanaG> oh.
[02:12] <DanaG> I was  thinking model of some product.
[02:12] <DanaG> =þ
[02:13] <avu> more lke development-model :)
[02:13] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:13] <DanaG> I wish all those ARM netbooks weren't so vaporware-ish.
[02:17] <bsmith093> what is that message about not upgrading
[02:18] <bsmith093> i am already updating all the packages with synaptic b4 i opened this
[02:18] <bsmith093> so any reasons why i shouldnt
[02:20] <bsmith093> can anyone hear me
[02:21] <vorian> bsmith093: packages are being built for 2.3, so if you upgrade there could be temporary breakage
[02:21] <bsmith093> so im running lucid beta now
[02:21] <bsmith093> am i safe
[02:22] <vorian> lets check the builders
[02:22] <vorian> I'm sure crimsun is keeping an eye on them though
[02:22] <vorian> ;-)
[02:23] <vorian> or not check, it's taking forever to load
[02:23] <vorian> patience is a virtue
[02:28] <vorian> bsmith093: there are still gnome packages building
[02:28] <bsmith093> so i shouldnt apt-get upgrade just yet on the lucid beta i have just to be clear
[02:28] <vorian> correct
[02:28] <bjb1959> installed 10.04 beta 64 and everything works except.... one of my 2 external usb drives won't mount at boot. They are both formated ntfs and have lines in fstab. the FreeAgent drive works fine but the LeClie gives an error when trying to boot that ubuntu is waiting for it. If I comment out the fstab line it works fine and I can mount it when it boots. Any ideas??
[02:28] <bsmith093> ok then thanks
[02:29] <vorian> np
[02:29] <bsmith093> so in the final lucid release are there any huge changes or just bugfixes and things from the last 2 combined
[02:30] <akio> Are the packages still "fluxing"?
[02:30] <vorian> bsmith093: its all about bugs - features have been frozen for some time now
[02:30] <vorian> still building, yes
[02:30] <akio> my X bombed hard
[02:31] <vorian> ouch
[02:31] <bsmith093> ok then i have a minor complaint that has probably already been fixed but the bluetooth usb adapter isnt being recognized on lucid
[02:31] <bsmith093> jaunty sees it fine
[02:31] <vorian> bsmith093: file the bug then, that's not a feature change
[02:32] <bsmith093> ok then
[02:32] <bsmith093> bye
[02:32] <akio> so there!
[02:32] <akio> hmmph
[02:32] <akio> 19 updates since an hour ago
[02:33] <akio> I'd say they are fluxing quite a bit still.
[02:34] <akio> Aptitude is badass.
[02:38] <akio> Anybody else seeing Aptitude core dump lately?
[02:41] <TViYH> howdy all..just installed 10.04 server and everything necessary for gnome, but now instead of gnome starting, my monitor turns off
[02:41] <TViYH> any help?
[02:49] <plauclair> is it normal that I can't unlock the panel on the netbook edition ?
[02:51] <yofel> plauclair: I remember someone saying that before
[02:51] <Random832> plauclair; there's no space to click on it
[02:52] <plauclair> well, there's the separators
[02:52] <plauclair> and the place with your username
[02:54] <plauclair> the options are there but they're all greyed out, it's odd
[02:55] <Random832> try gconf-editor?
[02:56] <plauclair> yeah, it's a bit more complicated according to the forums, apparently it is disabled by design...
[03:01] <victory747> Hi, I'm having troubles changing user and group id's in the "User Settings"
[03:03] <killown> i am thinkg upgrade ubuntu for help with bug report issues
[03:03] <victory747> it allows you to change the User ID, but it never changes it underneath when you quit the "User Settings",
[03:04] <IdleOne> yofel: btw sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin work fine from the partner repo
[03:04] <peter__> is there a staffer on board that can help me register and set a nick?
[03:04] <IdleOne> thanks for the info earlier
[03:04] <IdleOne> peter__: #freenode can help you with that
[03:04] <yofel> IdleOne: we get that question quite frequently ;)
[03:05] <IdleOne> yofel: I wasn't aware that they had moved java
[03:06] <peter__> #freenode
[03:06] <IdleOne> peter__: /join #freenode
[03:06] <peter__> ok, sorry,. I am new to this
[03:08] <IdleOne> peter__: no problem
[03:10] <DanaG> plauclair:  dpkg -S mandatory
[03:10] <DanaG> there'll be something with 'une' in the name,
[03:10] <DanaG> and that's what's forcibly locking down the panel.
[03:34] <Atamisk> can i ask about kubuntu installed over lucid in here?
[03:34] <maco> Atamisk: yes
[03:46] <voss749> Apparently the Linux Mint people had a different of opinion with shuttleworth , Linux Mint 9 will keep its buttons on the right
[03:50] <DanaG> hmm, anyone know how to get ubuntuone set up on a headless box?
[04:00] <dooglus> does anyone know how to set up ubuntu one on a non-headless box
[04:06] <Some_Person> My java doesn't seem to be working
[04:06] <bjsnider> Some_Person, maybe you're not brewing it strong enough
[04:09] <Some_Person> Firefox doesn't seem to see the java plugin
[04:10] <yofel> Some_Person: sun java?
[04:10] <Some_Person> yes
[04:11] <Some_Person> I have sun-java6-plugin installed
[04:11] <yofel> Some_Person: bug 532174?
[04:12] <Some_Person> But I don't have any java files in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/
[04:12] <Berzerker> anyone here use opera?
[04:13] <yofel> Some_Person: libjavaplugin.so?
[04:13] <Some_Person> not in that folder
[04:13] <yofel> odd
[04:13] <Some_Person> the only file there is flashplugin-alternative.so
[04:13] <yofel> hm
[04:14] <yofel> Some_Person: got a /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so?
[04:14] <Some_Person> yofel: yes
[04:15] <yofel> Some_Person: ok, got a libjavaplugin.so in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins?
[04:16] <Some_Person> yofel: no
[04:16] <Shishire> I've been running lucid in a VM, I booted it up today, only to find that I can't log in because my keyboard isn't registering input. It works fine in recovery mode, but once booting to the login screen, it registers the keypress event (blinking cursor freezes), but no text happens.
[04:16] <yofel> Some_Person: you have nothing in mozilla and xulrunner-addons? o.O
[04:17] <yofel> Some_Person: well anyway, try the alternatives command from the comments for your architecture, should work then
[04:17] <Some_Person> yofel: The one in /etc/alternatives is actually a link to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so
[04:17] <yofel> yes, that's how it's supposed to be
[04:18] <Some_Person> yofel: Thanks. Now it's working
[04:32] <Guest89093> has anyone viewing other drives with Dolphin
[04:32] <Guest89093> drives are not mountable and unavailable
[04:40] <Gnimsh> hi
[04:41] <Gnimsh> My mtp mp3 player will not be mounted by rhythmbox or gnomad, so I can't transfer files to it. Any files copied by nautilus to not show up in the device.
[04:41] <Gnimsh> any ideas?
[04:41] <Gnimsh> I'm thinking of filing a bug
[04:41] <Gnimsh> rythmbox returns an error
[04:42] <matmatmat> is it a sony?
[04:42] <Gnimsh> no
[04:43] <Gnimsh> creative zen vision:M
[04:43] <vexati0n> so... in lucid... no TTYs or what?
[04:43] <perscitus> Can i do a suggestion for 10.10 code name animal?
[04:44] <bazhang> perscitus, not in this channel
[04:44] <perscitus> Where?
[04:44] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:44] <nhasian> i think Mark Shuttleworth chooses the name right? its not voted on
[04:45] <bazhang> still offtopic for here
[04:45] <gibxam> can someone please help me I'm trying to update my repos and I'm getting a failed to fetch.....
[04:47] <nhasian> what package needs to be installed so that my iphone mounts when i plug it into USB?
[04:47] <Gnimsh> I may have fixed it, gonna log out to check
[04:48] <Berzerker-> so I did "new panel" in the right click menu, and it made it invisible, how do I get rid of it? I can't right click anywhere
[04:51] <freevryheid> dang - can't install my favorite python editor: spe: Depends: pychecker (>= 0.8.17-5) but it is not installable
[04:52] <noNickFound> nhasian: as far as I know it is all Shuttleworth no voting.
[04:52] <billybigrigger_> nhasian, what firmware?
[04:52] <nhasian> billybigrigger, iphone 3g version 3.1.3
[04:54] <nhasian> billybigrigger, karmic used to see it just fine.  something is amiss in lucid.  maybe i'm missing a package...
[04:54] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[04:55] <billybigrigger_> nhasian, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[04:56] <billybigrigger_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifuse/0.9.1-1
[04:56] <Berzerker-> anyone have any ideas?
[04:59] <noNickFound> berzerker: if you hold your cursor on the edge of the panel that shows and be quick about it you can right click
[05:00] <Berzerker-> I can right click on the top panel no problem
[05:01] <Berzerker-> it's just the invisible ones, I can't right click
[05:01] <noNickFound> can you see your invisible one when you scroll over it
[05:01] <Berzerker-> no
[05:01] <Berzerker-> let me try rebooting, hold on
[05:02] <noNickFound> well was going to say he had too many app launchers on the bar
[05:03] <noNickFound> berzerker: do you have a lot of app launchers on your panel?
[05:03] <Berzerker> noNickFound: no I got it though
[05:04] <Berzerker> noNickFound: rebooting it made the visible so I could delete them
[05:04] <noNickFound> I wonder if logging out and back on instead of full boot would have worked
[05:05] <mattgriffin_> Shishire: ping
[05:05] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/546759
[05:05] <noNickFound> ubottu is not correct
[05:06] <Shishire> mattgriffin_: pong?
[05:06] <noNickFound> Shishire: beer
[05:06] <mattgriffin_> Shishire: keyboard issue is known - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/548891
[05:07] <bbordwell> Berzerker, Is the bug i pasted the one you were talking about?
[05:07] <Shishire> mattgriffin_ yeah, I ended up seeing that after a while.  I added myself to the subscriptions list.
[05:07] <Berzerker> bbordwell: yup. that's it
[05:07] <nhasian> billybigrigger, i didnt have ifuse installed so i installed it just now.  still no luck
[05:07] <mattgriffin_> DanaG: ping
[05:07] <Berzerker> bbordwell: rebooting makes them show up
[05:08] <DanaG> I'm here.
[05:08] <DanaG> what's up?
[05:08] <bbordwell> Berzerker, yep that is stated in the bug report
[05:08] <Shishire> I managed to get in, so I set it to auto-login to avoid the problem until it gets fixed
[05:08] <Berzerker> bbordwell: except the ones on the sides are drawn using horizontal bar images
[05:08] <bbordwell> Berzerker, yep there is also a screenshot of that in the report...
[05:08] <bbordwell> mark it as affecting you
[05:09] <mattgriffin_> DanaG: if you're still looking for ubuntu one headless info, join #ubuntuone and there should be people there that can help.
[05:09] <Berzerker> I didn't know if you included that as part of the bug
[05:09] <DanaG> sure.
[05:09] <mattgriffin_> DanaG: in about 5 hours
[05:09] <Berzerker> bbordwell: marked.
[05:09] <bbordwell> Berzerker, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41938932/Screenshot.png
[05:09] <DanaG> oh, and I discovered that ubuntuone doesn't deal too well with thousands of files.
[05:09] <DanaG> Thousands of files, as in, my pidgin logs. =þ
[05:10] <Berzerker> bbordwell: yeah I saw it in the screenshot, I just didn't know if you included that in the description also
[05:10] <mattgriffin_> DanaG: yeah. some infrastructure improvements are in the works that should speed that up some
[05:10] <DanaG> Hmm, I also have ubuntuone syncing my dropbox folder. =þ
[05:10] <DanaG> That may be asking for pain. =þ
[05:11] <mattgriffin_> DanaG: heh
[05:11] <bbordwell> Berzerker, edited the description to explicitly point out that after a restart it does not look right and pointed to the screenshot
[05:11] <Berzerker> alright.
[05:12] <Berzerker> also, is there a way to get a notification panel icon for just empathy?
[05:12] <bbordwell> Berzerker, I use alltray
[05:12] <bbordwell> !info alltray
[05:12] <Berzerker> yeah I have alltray
[05:12] <Berzerker> just makes the icon look weird
[05:13] <Berzerker> oh wait, it appears empathy has its own icon
[05:13] <Berzerker> excellent, problem solved. :P
[05:20] <Berzerker> also, I have a conky script start up multiple conky scripts on boot, sometimes not all of them start up...is there a way I can fix this? Like by adding a sleep command or something
[05:22] <cleaverroot> DanaG: are you doing that just to have double backups or just to see if you can
[05:23] <DanaG> cleaverroot: so I can sync stuff to ARM and Windows.
[05:23] <DanaG> ARM beagleboard: yes ubuntuone (once I get it headless), no dropbox.
[05:23] <DanaG> amd64 host Linux: yes ubuntuone, yes dropbox.
[05:23] <DanaG> Windows: no ubuntuone, yes dropbox.
[05:25] <NinoScript> Hi! the other day, I updated Lucid, and a udev file, in which I loaded an experimental driver for multitouch trackpads, changed and I am not able to load that driver again… the file is "/lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules", the line I used was: ENV{x11_driver}="multitouch". How do I add it load it now?
[05:27] <DanaG> Another question: is there any way to get an ubuntu liveCD (actual CD, or rather a U3 fake-cd) to use a casper-rw partition?
[05:27] <DanaG> That is, my U3 cruzer has a virtual CD that is now an Ubuntu ISO, as well as a flash drive with one fat32 and one ext4 (casper-rw) partition.
[05:28] <apparle> how to install JRE
[05:30] <lenios> apparle, "aptitude search jre" gives you "openjdk-6-jre" for example
[05:30] <alex_mayorga> !info icedtea
[05:30] <apparle> lenios: but where is sun-java6-jre .... I want the sun's version
[05:30] <alex_mayorga> !info openjdk-6-jre
[05:31] <apparle> !info sun-java6-jre
[05:31] <yofel> apparle: any specific reason why you want sun?
[05:31] <yofel> it's available somewhere else
[05:31] <alex_mayorga> apparle: last I heard it's no more on lucid
[05:31] <lenios> !info icedtea-6-jre-cacao
[05:31] <apparle> alex_mayorga: why?
[05:31] <yofel> apparle: WHY do you want sun?
[05:31] <yofel> doesn't openjdk work for you?
[05:32] <apparle> yofel: it never fails
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> yofel: it is not for me
[05:32] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ?
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> bug #553452
[05:32] <apparle> yofel: it means sun
[05:32] <yofel> alex_mayorga: ah
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> yofel: and seemingly others too
[05:32] <yofel> well, sun-java6 was moved to the canonical partner repos
[05:32] <yofel> get it from there
[05:32] <alex_mayorga> I'm triaging that one, or trying :)
[05:33] <alex_mayorga> yofel: got instructions for those?
[05:33] <murlidhar> lucid still doesn't have preferences>appearances>interface !!! :(
[05:33] <ddecator> yah, java still isn't compatible with FF 3.6...
[05:33] <yofel> alex_mayorga: it should be in the 'other sofware' tab in software properties unless you deleted it
[05:33] <apparle> yofel: partner repos?
[05:34] <alex_mayorga> is the "in-flux" still goin on?
[05:34] <murlidhar> there is no tab called interface in the the appearance application !
[05:34] <yofel> alex_mayorga: not that much, *should* work fine now
[05:35] <yofel> apparle: yes, there is a canonical partner repos, you should be able to enable it in the other software tab in Software Properties (where ppa sources are managed)
[05:35] <alex_mayorga> fetching updates, there seems to be an icedtea update
[05:35] <apparle> alex_mayorga: should I install sun's or openjre
[05:35] <alex_mayorga> apparle: try open
[05:35] <yofel> apparle: try openjre first, once it breaks install sun
[05:35] <apparle> open works with firefox?
[05:36] <alex_mayorga> apparle: what yofel says
[05:36] <alex_mayorga> apparle: it should
[05:37] <yofel> apparle: yes, you'll actually need a workaround to get sun-java6-plugin to work with firefox at the moment
[05:37] <alex_mayorga> by the way that now needs a rename to oracle-java6 right? :)
[05:37] <apparle> yofel: then sun-java6-jre goes to hellll...... I prefer things which are straight forward and as you are saying I hope openjre is good enough
[05:38] <apparle> so which package should I install for the firefox plugin
[05:38] <yofel> alex_mayorga: tell that debian, we usually just use their package :P
[05:38] <yofel> !info icedtea6-plugin | apparle
[05:39] <murlidhar> !find openjdk
[05:39]  * yofel still hasn't found out why it's called icedtea...
[05:40]  * ddecator thinks it might be a play on java being coffee
[05:40]  * alex_mayorga agrees with ddecator
[05:41] <yofel> that would actually make sense...
[05:41] <apparle> ya.... so finally I also have found some meaning for icedtea
[05:44] <alex_mayorga> what might have nuked gnome-do from my system?
[05:44] <yofel> updaing in the last days?
[05:44] <yofel> *updating
[05:44] <alex_mayorga> yofel: tomboy too?
[05:44]  * holstein is up to date
[05:44] <holstein> and gnome-do is working
[05:44] <BGL-[2]> am i the only one having a screen saver issue w/10.04 b1? i can't get the thing to stop turning on, regardless of settings
[05:45] <BGL-[2]> even with power management off
[05:45] <yofel> alex_mayorga: could have happend due to some package conflict if you used dist-upgrade without double checking what it did
[05:45] <alex_mayorga> yofel: maybe 3 days ago
[05:45] <murlidhar> have they removed the tab " interface " in the appearance preferences app in lucid ???
[05:45] <apparle> how to open a fixed bug in launchpad
[05:45] <murlidhar> jeez!
[05:45] <yofel> BGL-[2]: do you have 'xscreensaver' runninng?
[05:45] <alex_mayorga> I always do safe-upgrade
[05:45] <yofel> hm
[05:45] <alex_mayorga> but who knows
[05:46] <alex_mayorga> how do I reinstall the desktop?
[05:46] <yofel> dunno, shouldn't have removed it then
[05:46] <yofel> alex_mayorga: try removing and installing ubuntu-desktop again
[05:46] <BGL-[2]> in processes ? no
[05:46] <yofel> BGL-[2]: really? hm, that's what happened to me
[05:46] <murlidhar> !info ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <alex_mayorga> yofel: would reinstall do?
[05:47] <alex_mayorga> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:47] <yofel> alex_mayorga: not sure, it has to pull in the recommends again, I don't know if it does that on reinstall
[05:48] <alex_mayorga> yofel: you're right, reinstall won't do
[05:49] <BGL-[2]> hello vivid
[05:49] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[05:49] <alex_mayorga> yofel: remove/install pulled tomboy and others
[05:49] <yofel> see
[05:50] <DanaG> note to self: get bigger sd card before setting up ubuntuone on the beagle.
[05:50] <DanaG> 1.7 or so gigs used on a 2 gig card... and at least 0.7 gigs on dropbox.
[05:50] <DanaG> er, and now ubuntone.
[05:50] <vivid> BGL-[2], helo random person i dont know
[05:50] <BGL-[2]> i see you're in WA
[05:51] <Ian_Corne> DanaG: 8gb SD cards are getting really cheap
[05:52] <bbordwell> anybody else getting synaptic in their system tools menu?
[05:52] <vivid> BGL-[2], yes, me and about 6.5 million other people
[05:52] <alex_mayorga> yofel: can you check the bug on icedtea I posted earlier?
[05:54] <yofel> alex_mayorga: what should  I check
[05:54] <yofel> ?
[05:54] <alex_mayorga> yofel: launch firefox from terminal and go to http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[05:55] <yofel> I'm using sun ATM
[05:55] <alex_mayorga> yofel: haven't tested that
[05:55] <alex_mayorga> does firefox usually runs as root?
[05:56] <alex_mayorga> yofel: who owns /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/libnssutil3.so on your system?
[05:56] <yofel> firefox should never run as root, unless the root user is using it
[05:56] <yofel> lemme check
[05:57] <yofel> 644 root:root
[06:00] <alex_mayorga> same here
[06:01] <DanaG> hmm, it offers to install plugins... and then tells me there are none to install.
[06:02] <yofel> alex_mayorga: a user should only need to read that  file so that should be fine
[06:10] <murlidhar> firefox doesn't yet support java applets ?
[06:10] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: it does
[06:10] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: i don't see java plugins in firefox at all.
[06:11] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: try http://www.javatester.org/version.html
[06:11] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: what does it say?
[06:11] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: it says the browser has java disabled.
[06:11] <Torrentow_> hello
[06:12] <alex_mayorga> !find icedtea
[06:12] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: install icedtea6-plugin
[06:12] <murlidhar> ok
[06:13] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: that should get you applets
[06:13] <running_rabbit07> !find beer
[06:13] <running_rabbit07> ty
[06:14] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: sun java jre is already installed ...but
[06:14] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: it doesn't help in running java applets ?
[06:14] <alex_mayorga> just moments ago yofel said there's a glitch on it
[06:14] <yofel> yep...
[06:15] <murlidhar> hmmm
[06:15] <yofel> bug 532174
[06:15] <murlidhar> oops
[06:15] <yofel> murlidhar: there's a workaround in the comments
[06:15] <murlidhar> reading...
[06:16] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: got a URL to the applet?
[06:17] <alex_mayorga> I could use a test URL
[06:17] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: nseindia.com
[06:17] <running_rabbit07> !find acrobat reader
[06:17] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: the ticker on the top page isnt' working...
[06:18] <running_rabbit07> !find acrobat karmic
[06:18] <yofel> !find acroread
[06:18] <running_rabbit07> ty
[06:19] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: the work around works now though. :)
[06:19] <yofel> oh wait, that's in the partner repos too...
[06:19] <yofel> (acroread)
[06:19] <running_rabbit07> k
[06:19] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: works on icedtea too
[06:19] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: the "Index Futures" at least
[06:20] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: nothing on equities though
[06:20] <cleaverroot> what is the difference between icedtea version of java and suns will it work the same
[06:20] <alex_mayorga> murlidhar: are you a stock guru?
[06:20] <cleaverroot> no
[06:20] <cleaverroot> sorry
[06:20] <alex_mayorga> cleaverroot: icedtea is the FOSS one
[06:20] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: nopes. i have some shares in nse so i try to follow them.
[06:21]  * alex_mayorga thinks stock is like gambling for the most part
[06:22] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: i find firefox font rendering so pathetic now.. 3.5.8 's font rendering is very good.
[06:22] <cleaverroot> alex_mayorga: I'm just asking cuz I just started taking a java programming class and want to know if I can go with the open one
[06:22] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: :)
[06:22] <murlidhar> alex_mayorga: i don't do much of trading.. just little.
[06:23] <alex_mayorga> cleaverroot: should work the same in theory at least
[06:28] <alex_mayorga> cleaverroot: do you already have icedtea?
[06:29] <cleaverroot> not yet alex_mayorga
[06:29] <alex_mayorga> cleaverroot: feeling adventurous?
[06:29] <cleaverroot> alex_mayorga: easy enough to get though lol
[06:30] <bbordwell> Does anyone else have synaptic package manager in their applications>system tools menu?
[06:30] <cleaverroot> alex_mayorga: might be :-)
[06:30] <ddecator> bbordwell: yes
[06:30] <alex_mayorga> just want to know if anyone else has the same stacktrace I have at Bug #553452
[06:30] <cleaverroot> I do have sun's installed will that conflict
[06:31] <bbordwell> ddecator, I made a bug a while back for it, do you know if there was already one under a different package than synaptic?
[06:31] <alex_mayorga> cleaverroot: I don't think, back in karmic one could change among them
[06:32] <ddecator> bbordwell: not that i know of. it might not be a bug. i know synaptic won't be a default install eventually (software center will replace it) so they might be moving it to the applications menu instead of the system menu. not sure though
[06:32] <bbordwell> ddecator, ah well even if they are moving it there, it does not open with root privlages if you use the button in system tools which makes it pretty useless
[06:33] <ddecator> bbordwell: oh yah, you're right, that is odd...
[06:33] <cleaverroot> alex_mayorga: cool; I'll try to install both then
[06:34] <bbordwell> ddecator, well i mentioned it in my bug report, someone that knows more about synaptic will see it and if they are moving it there i will just change the title to say that synaptic does not open with root privlages
[06:34] <ddecator> bbordwell: sounds good to me
[06:36] <MurielGodoi> Hi guys, Brasero is not recognizing my new media dvd on drive... can that be a bug
[06:36] <MurielGodoi> ?
[06:37] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: are you actually working on a fix for the java issue?
[06:37] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: i think i've seen that bug before...
[06:37] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: trying to at least see if other people have it too
[06:38] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: well the "assign to" part of lp is meant to assign the bug to a person working on a fix ;)
[06:38] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: need to confirm if it happens somewhere else than my laptop
[06:38] <ddecator> plus it may be the same as the other bug...
[06:38] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: last I checked a triagger can be an assignee too
[06:39] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: what other bug?
[06:39] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: bug 496097
[06:39] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: but maybe you're right and I;m just getting on the way
[06:40] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: it's not a big deal, it just can get confusing when triagers assign themselves. don't worry about it now, but in the future you don't need to assign it, just leave comments and we'll see that you're working on it =)
[06:42] <x3464> put the buttons on the left they said.
[06:43] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: just removed the assignment, for clarity sake :)
[06:44] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: do you have icedtea?
[06:44] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: yes, with FF 3.7 (although i have 3.6 installed)
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: also isn't that bug now "fix released"?
[06:45] <alex_mayorga> applets do work with icedtea
[06:45] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: the one i referenced is still wishlist, although i'm not certain they're the same bug (haven't checked them in detail)
[06:46] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: there isn't full java support last i tried
[06:46] <alex_mayorga> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml works for me
[06:47] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: that worked for me too, but i still have trouble when i try to use java on some sites (like booking tickets with amtrak) although i haven't tried with the latest update
[06:48] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: That seens like bug 238130
[06:48] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: but still happens in lucid
[06:49] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: I've got the dmesg errors... should I attach in the same but or fill another?
[06:49] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: is it new media or erased media?
[06:49] <MurielGodoi> yep
[06:50] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: new media
[06:51] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: hm, so it's not the bug i worked on...
[06:51] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: "This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognise" has logged in dmesg
[06:51] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: after that several i/o errors
[06:51] <DexterLB> this isn't much lucid but I am installing anyway so...
[06:51] <DexterLB> I have a problem.
[06:52] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: looks like that might already be in the dmesg attached to the bug. if it looks similar to yours, then just mark it as affecting you and maybe leave a comment that it's present in lucid still
[06:52] <ddecator> DexterLB: can you be more specific please? =)
[06:53] <DexterLB> I boot the karmic livecd to back up some files as the karmic is broken and will take long to fix. But the livecd cannot mount the local filesystems and gparted says they're locked.
[06:53] <DexterLB> what does that mean?
[06:53] <ddecator> DexterLB: well this is for lucid support, but it sounds like your filesystem was encrypted
[06:54] <DexterLB> nope
[06:54] <ddecator> DexterLB: can you please ask in #ubuntu since this channel is for lucid support?
[06:54] <DexterLB> I did
[06:54] <DexterLB> no one answers
[06:55] <ddecator> DexterLB: this is a slower time of day, so maybe try tomorrow?
[06:55] <DexterLB> I'm in a wierd time zone
[06:55] <DexterLB> anyway I'm burning the lucid alternate cd now
[06:55] <DexterLB> as the regular one freezes on WM start
[06:55] <DexterLB> and I'll install it without backup :-)
[06:56] <DexterLB> any idea why it freezes by the way?
[06:56] <ddecator> when does it freeze?
[06:57] <DexterLB> well on the splash with the dots
[06:58] <ddecator> so plymouth...
[06:58] <ddecator> what version of the cd were you trying? beta 1?
[06:58] <DexterLB> yup
[06:58] <bbordwell> DexterLB, do you a multi monitor setup?
[06:58] <DexterLB> yup
[06:58] <DexterLB> should I disconnect one?
[06:59]  * DexterLB disconnects one cable leaving only one monitor
[07:00] <SometimesRomano> what is plymouth?  i am having issues with that not starting as well on my laptop. I was saved by adding another monitor
[07:00] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: it's the new splash screen
[07:00] <DexterLB> oo, more problems caused by eyecandys
[07:00] <SometimesRomano> is there somewhere i should look to fix this?
[07:00] <DexterLB> anyway, reboot brb
[07:01] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: have you made sure you're running the latest version? they just pushed a couple of updates
[07:01] <SometimesRomano> i've been updating several times a day lately, but i'll check again, thanks
[07:02] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: the latest version is 0.8.1-4
[07:02] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: ok.. the old bug is tagged as 8.10. The lucid guys will check that?
[07:04] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: the devs will get an email with your comment
[07:04] <SometimesRomano> ddecator: thanks, found several more updates
[07:05] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: np, i know they've been pushing a lot lately (make sure it won't remove anything, there has been a lot of "in flux" moments lately)
[07:05] <DanaG> plymouth refuses to give me a splash, since I have a serial console in addition to my local tty.
[07:05] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: ok thanks... now +1 but issue
[07:05] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: issue?
[07:06] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: The mute and volume button aren't working at my asus eeepc running lucid
[07:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/553386
[07:06] <DanaG> bleh, stupid ubuntu plymouth theme... looks like a deranged progress bar.
[07:06] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: /s/but/bog
[07:06] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: /s/but/bug :)
[07:07]  * ddecator still isn't sure why they are pushing plymouth so much when the goal is a sub-10-second boot
[07:07] <SometimesRomano> alright, restarting, brb
[07:07] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: i'm looking a sec..
[07:08] <yofel> I think I wouldn't even see plymouth on my desktop with nvidia if it wouldn't interrupt due to an nfs error
[07:09] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: the hotkeys, or the applet?
[07:09] <ddecator> yofel: exactly
[07:10] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: the hotkeys
[07:11] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: as sample: mute used to work in Fn + F10 on karmic
[07:12] <DexterLB> two birds with one stone
[07:12] <DexterLB> now that the second monitor is off the livecd works
[07:13] <DexterLB> and it opens the filesystems
[07:13] <DexterLB> :)
[07:13] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: look at bug 537763 and see if that's what you have
[07:13] <ddecator> why would having and extra monitor lock the filesystem?
[07:13] <SometimesRomano> :) no issues with plymouth after updating and restarting :)
[07:13] <ddecator> s/and/an
[07:13] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: good to hear =)
[07:13] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: especially the last comment
[07:14] <SometimesRomano> ddecator: thanks a lot, i was freaking out and forgot to check my bases
[07:14] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: no problem
[07:14] <DexterLB> but the filesystem is read-only :(
[07:14]  * DexterLB tries root
[07:14] <SometimesRomano> i almost re-installed, lol
[07:15] <bbordwell> DexterLB, I take it you have a nvidia graphics card?
[07:15] <DexterLB> yup
[07:15] <ddecator> SometimesRomano: that would have been freaking out =p
[07:15] <DexterLB> I'll install the nonfree driver afterwards
[07:15] <bbordwell> DexterLB, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[07:18] <alex_mayorga> on the java stuff http://blog.fuseyism.com/index.php/2010/04/01/icedtea6-173-released
[07:19] <alex_mayorga> what version is the one on lucid?
[07:20] <ddecator> i have a 1.8 pre-release
[07:21] <ddecator> according to FF 3.7
[07:21] <ddecator> i can check synaptic in a sec (updating right now)
[07:21] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: 6b18~pre4-1ubuntu1
[07:21] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: yup
[07:22] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: I guess IcedTea6 1.7.3 (2010/03/31) is newer anyay, right?
[07:22] <shoonya> how to configure/use nvidia driver in lucid. is there a way to get nouveau and nvidia driver working together ?
[07:23] <DexterLB> reboot, installing lucid, wish me luck, bye
[07:23] <ddecator> shoonya: just use jockey to get the proprietary driver
[07:23] <yofel> shoonya: no, if you use nouveau nvidia won't work
[07:23] <alex_mayorga> DexterLB: good luck
[07:23] <echosystm> ok dudes
[07:23] <echosystm> what is up with this buttons on the left side ridiculousness
[07:23] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: idk for sure
[07:24] <echosystm> this does not float my boat
[07:24] <shoonya> yofel: how do i disable nouveau and use nvidia
[07:24] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: idk?
[07:24] <ddecator> echosystm: should be theme-specific
[07:24] <echosystm> its not at the theme level ddecator
[07:24] <yofel> shoonya: as ddecator said, just install the nvidia driver from jockey
[07:24] <alex_mayorga> shoonya: System > Hardware drivers
[07:24] <echosystm> its at a system level in gnome
[07:24] <yofel> s/jockey/Hardware Drivers/
[07:25] <ddecator> echosystm: if it isn't implemented yet, the plan is to have it be theme-specific
[07:25] <echosystm> also, because the order of the buttons is changed, when you set them to normal the graphics break
[07:25] <echosystm> ah ok
[07:25] <echosystm> thats great
[07:25] <ddecator> echosystm: and the order is changing
[07:25] <shoonya> jockey did not show any driver, i installed nvidia-current using synaptic
[07:25] <echosystm> do you know if there are plans to keep the same theme, but with the buttons in all the normal places?
[07:26] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: idk if that is newer than what is in the repos or not
[07:26] <KB1JWQ> The ssh package on Lucid changes three key items that the default openssh-client doesn't.  Is this new for Lucid or does it exist earlier?
[07:26] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: IDK = I don't know?
[07:26] <yofel> shoonya: should work fine then
[07:26] <ddecator> echosystm: idk for sure, i think ambiance and radiance will be left-side only
[07:26] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: yes
[07:26] <KB1JWQ> The one that just caused 30 seconds of hang on every connect was the GSSAPIAuthentication yes option.
[07:27] <alex_mayorga> echosystm: gconf
[07:27] <bbordwell> echosystm, https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[07:27] <ddecator> shoonya: that should have installed the 195 driver for nvidia
[07:28] <bbordwell> echosystm, If you add that ppa and install the package from it, then log out and log back in again your buttons should be on the righ
[07:28] <shoonya> when i reboot and try to enable compiz, it says no 3D support
[07:28] <echosystm> another thing that has always bugged me about ubuntu - the packages seem quite strange
[07:28] <echosystm> if i install gnome-core
[07:28] <alex_mayorga> ddecator: never heard of that one
[07:28] <MurielGodoi> ddecator: I added a comment to bug 537763. Thanks
[07:28] <ddecator> shoonya: did you restart since installing the nvidia_current package?
[07:28] <echosystm> when i start gnome, i get a tonne of errors saying stuff is missing (icons, taskbar applets, etc.)
[07:28] <ddecator> alex_mayorga: really? o.o
[07:29] <ddecator> MurielGodoi: no problem =)
[07:29] <echosystm> obviously gnome-core has the same config files as gnome full
[07:29] <ddecator> echosystm: did you update during the gnome flux?
[07:29] <echosystm> its really messy packaging
[07:29] <echosystm> no ddecator, it has been like this in ubuntu ever since i can remember
[07:29] <echosystm> right back to 6.10
[07:29] <ddecator> i've never heard of that happening...
[07:29] <echosystm> its one of those things that gives me the willies about ubuntu and makes me not want to use it
[07:30] <shoonya> yes
[07:30] <yofel> shoonya: does 'lsmod' in a terminal list nvidia or nouveau?
[07:30] <shoonya> nouveau
[07:30] <ddecator> echosystm: have you ever searched for a bug report?
[07:30] <ddecator> shoonya: try running jockey again and see if you need to activate the driver
[07:30] <yofel> shoonya: do you have /usr on a seperate partition?
[07:31] <ddecator> it might detect it now that you installed the package
[07:31] <shoonya> yoasif: yes
[07:31] <yofel> shoonya: ok, that's the bug then ;)
[07:31] <yofel> shoonya: let me explain
[07:31] <ddecator> aw, i lose...
[07:31] <shoonya> :)
[07:31] <echosystm> ddecator, i just figured this was "the ubuntu way"
[07:32] <ddecator> echosystm: to have everything broken?
[07:32] <shoonya> yofel: is there a workaround
[07:32] <echosystm> that being, if you deviate from one of the standard installs, then things like this are gonna happen
[07:32] <echosystm> yeah pretty much ddecator lol
[07:32] <alex_mayorga> is there an openjdk IRC?
[07:32] <yofel> shoonya: yes, please let me explain, I can't type that fast ;)
[07:32] <shoonya> sure
[07:32] <echosystm> #openjdk ?
[07:32] <ddecator> echosystm: well, deviate how exactly?
[07:32] <alex_mayorga> echosystm: not quite
[07:33] <echosystm> its on another server alex_mayorga
[07:33] <echosystm> oftc i think
[07:33] <alex_mayorga> echosystm: that's right http://openjdk.java.net/irc/
[07:33] <ddecator> echosystm: i'm not sure how that works, but you're always welcome to file a report on launchpad and see what the devs have to say about the issue =)
[07:34] <echosystm> ddecator, i like to install my linux from a base cli
[07:34] <echosystm> and not have all the cruft installed
[07:34] <echosystm> im kinda anal retentive like that
[07:34] <ddecator> echosystm: have you thought about using xubuntu or lubuntu then?
[07:35] <echosystm> xubuntu has just as much crap as normal ubuntu lol
[07:35] <ddecator> lubuntu is even lighter
[07:35] <echosystm> and i dont like LXDE
[07:35] <alex_mayorga> echosystm: or gentoo
[07:35] <echosystm> im not concerned about ligtness
[07:35] <echosystm> i like gnome
[07:35] <echosystm> i just dont want all these games and stuff installed
[07:35] <alex_mayorga> !fing jnlp
[07:35] <ddecator> i uninstall the games too
[07:35] <yofel> shoonya: there is a file  /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf  that takes care of blacklisting nouveau so that it doesn't get loaded, but that file is a symlink to a file on the /usr partition and as /usr isn't yet mounted when nouveau gets loaded nouveau still gets loaded even though it should not, workaround: 'sudo cp /usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf'
[07:35] <echosystm> or open office running off GCJ instead of sun-jre the way god intended :P
[07:35] <alex_mayorga> !find jnlp
[07:36] <demism> i got lucid and i was wondering how i can get kubuntu-desktop on it? I get a bunch of depends but wont be installed messages, any ideas?
[07:36] <alex_mayorga> !find webstart
[07:36] <ddecator> echosystm: you should be able to configure ubuntu how you want and have it work, so i encourage you to file a report on launchpad =)
[07:36] <echosystm> ok
[07:37] <echosystm> this is just one instance though
[07:37] <echosystm> i get the feeling its just going to keep hapenning
[07:37] <echosystm> lol
[07:37] <ddecator> demism: that could be for various reasons. it could be that updates are being pushed that break dependencies, so trying again later may work
[07:40] <billybigrigger> hmmm....does anyone here have problems viewing embedded wmvs?
[07:40] <billybigrigger> i can hear the sound but no video
[07:41] <SometimesRomano> i am finding it impossible to navigate Network / windows network / workgroup
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> demism:  when in doubt.. wait a while. update the package listings, upgrade teh system, try reinstalling it agin.
[07:43] <alex_mayorga> echosystm: no reports warrant it would keep happening indeed
[07:43] <demism> i managed to get it through the package manager, changed some settings. Couldn't get it through command line :/
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> as of this morning - my kde system had some issues where plasma-desktop wasent getting auto-loaded. I had to alt-f2 and run it by hand.
[07:47] <almoxarife> SometimesRomano: I am with you, it depends on the update it seems to me, now I can and one update later I can't
[07:48] <demism> Dr_Willis: I'll see how it goes. :) Did you go gnome->kde?
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> one one box i did
[07:53] <shoonya> yofel: opps power went off...
[07:53] <shoonya> did i miss something
[07:56] <yofel> shoonya: did you get my message with the workaround?
[07:56] <shoonya> yofel: no
[07:56] <yofel> shoonya: there is a file /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf that takes care of blacklisting nouveau so that it doesn't get loaded, but that file is a symlink to a file on the /usr partition and as /usr isn't yet mounted when nouveau gets loaded nouveau still gets loaded even though it should not, workaround: 'sudo cp /usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf'
[07:59] <shoonya> ok, let me reboot and check
[08:02] <eboyjr> Who decided that the window buttons were going to be on the left side? :/
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> bill gates
[08:03] <eboyjr> lol no wonder
[08:04] <cleaverroot> eboyjr: the not ms community decision group i guess
[08:04] <yofel> !currentissues
[08:04] <cleaverroot> no need for alarm lol
[08:05] <cleaverroot> Who thinks it will make the final cut
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> dosent look like they will change their mind however.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> Im betting its going to stay on the left. and be a big point of argument and ranting in #ubuntu
[08:06] <cleaverroot> Dr_Willis: I agree
[08:06] <eboyjr> Oh okay it's good that it's a democracy sorta
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> its not a democracy....
[08:06] <eboyjr> I think it's gonna have the minimize and maximize on the left, and close on the right
[08:06] <cleaverroot> eboyjr: what democracy lol
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> there was apost  by our ubuntu-featrless leader sayingjust that
[08:06] <eboyjr> Dr_Willis, It isn't? Well they do ask for our opinions
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> with the gnome-3 changes to a more netbook like interface.. it may not matter
[08:07] <ddecator> it's already officially going to stay on the left, but the order will be changed
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> eboyjr:  actually they dident ask befor the change..
[08:07] <cleaverroot> they care if you are a dev sure
[08:07] <DexterLB-lucid> w00t
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> and  there was several blog/mesage posts where it was stated taht 'ubuntu is not a democracy' :)
[08:07] <blekos> hello how can I install kubuntu beta 1 from command line?
[08:07] <eboyjr> Haha ok
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> blekos:  what os are you booted to now?
[08:08] <blekos> ubuntu :)
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> blekos:  and the reasonyou are not using the normal gui installer is what?
[08:09] <blekos> i thought i should add additional repos or something
[08:09] <yofel> blekos: why don't you just install kubuntu in ubuntu?
[08:09] <yofel> oh
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> boot live cd... start installer.... or do you want to clarify your question
[08:09] <shoonya> yofel: tried the workaround did not work. I also added (replaced splash) nomodset in grub.cfg. still no luck
[08:09] <yofel> no need, just install 'kubuntu-desktop'
[08:09] <shoonya> lsmod still shows nouveau loaded
[08:10] <DexterLB-lucid> I installed the proprietary driver for nvidia, but I don't have 1280x1024 in the VGA's resolutions. I have 1024x768 which is too little and 1360x768 which is tooooooo widescreen
[08:10] <blekos> sorry,but kubuntu-desktop will install the 9.10 wright?
[08:11] <yofel> blekos: oh, you're running karmic?
[08:11] <blekos> no, I am running lucid beta
[08:11] <yofel> shoonya: odd, that workaround worked for someone else having /usr seperate...
[08:11] <blekos> ohh i see
[08:11] <blekos> since I am running lucid install-kubuntu will give the appropriate kubuntu :)
[08:11] <yofel> blekos: kubuntu-desktop will just  install kde and everything else that's necessare for kubuntu
[08:12] <DexterLB-lucid> I installed the proprietary driver for nvidia, but I don't have  1280x1024 in the VGA's resolutions. I have 1024x768 which is too  little and 1360x768 which is tooooooo widescreen
[08:12] <blekos> thnx
[08:12] <DexterLB-lucid> oops
[08:12] <DexterLB-lucid> had to ask that in #ubuntu too
[08:12] <cleaverroot> blekos: don't do kubuntu no one likes it
[08:13] <yofel> shoonya: hm, does the file you created (nvidia.conf) contain 'blacklist nouveau' ?
[08:13] <yofel> missed him -.-
[08:13] <blekos> haha, I would but, there is a problem with my wlan card not being able to connect to wpa & wpa2 networks
[08:13] <blekos> there is already a bug in launchpad for this
[08:14] <blekos> from what i've read this does not exist in kubuntu :(
[08:14] <andrew-jack> What does the "ipconfig" process do?  I have an "ipconfig" process that is using 100% of one core (on a dual-core machine). This first started a few days ago after I updated (i'm running lucid).  http://i.imgur.com/pFV5J.png
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> i find thelatest kde very use able
[08:16] <ddecator> andrew-jack: ipconfig deals with your network information (ipaddress, mac address, etc.)
[08:17] <ddecator> shouldn't use 100% of a cpu core though...
[08:19] <andrew-jack> hmm. the annoying thing is that i can't find anything on Google about it. The search results are "polluted" with questions about windows ipconfig or linux ifconfig, not linux ipconfig (i honestly didn't think that anything called ipconfig existed in linux)
[08:20] <andrew-jack> i might start a bug report. what's the best way to go about that? just sign up to launchpad?
[08:20] <ddecator> i might be thinking about ifconfig...
[08:20] <ddecator> andrew-jack: you could, but idk what package that would be filed against
[08:21] <andrew-jack> lol me neither.
[08:22] <ddecator> yofel: any idea?
[08:22] <andrew-jack> i can kill the process, but it starts up again every time i boot up my computer. is there a way to list what processes start when ubuntu boots up?
[08:22] <cleaverroot> sorry late to the game here what bug in gnome?
[08:23] <ddecator> cleaverroot: the wpa one that blekos mentioned?
[08:23] <cleaverroot> ddecator: k
[08:23] <yofel> ddecator: not sure... he might be able to attach strace to the stuck ipconfig and see what it does all the time, but I'm not sure if anyone here would actually understand the output
[08:24] <yofel> have to go for now, bbl
[08:24] <ddecator> yofel: i know i wouldn't, i just didn't know if you happened to know what package that would be related to
[08:24] <cleaverroot> ddecator: the wlan card not connecting?
[08:24] <ddecator> yofel: alright, cya
[08:24] <ddecator> cleaverroot: maybe? idk what gnome bug you're talking about, haha
[08:25] <cleaverroot> ddecator: don't think it exist. I've read most bug reports none on wlan not connecting
[08:25] <ddecator> cleaverroot: idk, blekos is the one who mentioned it, i haven't looked
[08:26] <ddecator> blekos: ^^
[08:26] <cleaverroot> blekos:  what exactly is your error?
[08:27] <cleaverroot> nvm
[08:28] <cleaverroot> my question is: does anyone else get the error msg that says volume control is not loaded on a reboot
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> cleaverroot:  not seen that issue here
[08:29] <blue102> no not really
[08:29] <cleaverroot> Dr_Willis: hmm
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> that dosent prove anything however. :)
[08:29] <cleaverroot> every time I reboot
[08:29] <blue102> installed on a laptop compaq armada e 500
[08:30] <blue102> and runs really well
[08:30] <cleaverroot> rebooting to get exact msg
[08:30] <ddecator> is it the sound applet that isn't loading?
[08:32] <blue102> how do I get flashplayer to work anybody???
[08:32] <andrew-jack> flash on x86 or x64?
[08:32] <blue102> x86
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> i just install the proper flash package from the repos
[08:33] <Ian_Corne> apt-get it :)
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> itsincluded in the ubuntu-restricted-extras package also isentit?
[08:33] <blue102> tried that
[08:33] <ddecator> blue102: is it not working at all?
[08:33] <blue102> apt-get install
[08:33] <blue102> no
[08:33] <Ian_Corne> there's a difference between some packages
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> tryed what exactly blue102 ?
[08:34] <blue102> just give me the comand line please
[08:34] <andrew-jack> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:34] <andrew-jack> IIRC?
[08:34] <blue102> ah thanks
[08:34] <ddecator> that should be it
[08:34] <blue102> will try now
[08:34] <cleaverroot_> nvm didn't show up this time
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> hdh.. apt-get install.. needs a actual package name.... :)
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> thats why i asked exactly what command yoiu used  :P
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> installing 'ubuntu-restricted-extas' is also going to install a lot of stuff you p[roberly want as well
[08:35] <andrew-jack> it should be in the "ubuntu software centre" too, just scroll down to "flash plugin"
[08:36] <andrew-jack> well, do a search on "flash" and it will come up in the list
[08:37] <blue102> working new had something wrong :=(
[08:37] <blue102> working
[08:37] <andrew-jack> working!!?! yay!
[08:39] <andrew-jack> about my strange "ipconfig" process that is using 100% of a CPU core
[08:39] <andrew-jack> strace of the "ipconfig" process shows these three lines repeated over and over (the gettimeofday line has different numbers on each iteration but the rest is the same):
[08:39] <andrew-jack> recvfrom(4, "E\0\0T\0\0@\0@\21<\227\177\0\0\1\177\0\0\1", 20, MSG_PEEK, {sa_family=AF_PACKET, proto=0x800, if1, pkttype=PACKET_HOST, addr(6)={772, 000000000000}, [18]) = 20
[08:39] <andrew-jack> poll([{fd=4, events=POLLRDNORM}], 1, 11000) = 1 ([{fd=4, revents=POLLRDNORM}])
[08:39] <andrew-jack> gettimeofday({1270191414, 255897}, NULL) = 0
[08:40] <andrew-jack> i really don't know what package "ipconfig" is from. possibly yaird, klibc-utils, or even part of the kernel?
[08:41] <andrew-jack> is there any way to tell?
[08:43] <ddecator> not that i know of. and i don't know what any of that output means either, sorry =\
[08:43] <RPG-Master> Would debs for 9.10 from getdeb work with the beta?
[08:43] <ddecator> i'm sure theres a way, but i'm not familiar with network related stuff like that
[08:43] <ddecator> RPG-Master: most should
[08:43] <RPG-Master> cool, thanks
[08:45] <blue102> question I have a samba network how can I change that to a linux network
[08:47] <blue102> I have ubuntu server 9.10 i386 installed
[08:47] <yofel> andrew-jack: try 'ubuntu-bug -P $(pidof ipconfig)'
[08:48] <yofel> andrew-jack: while it's running
[08:48] <Dr_Willis>   blue102  err... samba is just a service that runs on a network of machines.. what are you asking? Install the samba service if you want samba. or the nfs server if you want to share things via nfs
[08:48] <blue102> nfs
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> install nfs server then and configure it.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> !nfs
[08:49] <blue102> thank you
[08:49] <ddecator> yofel: you can use ubuntu-bug with a process id o_O?
[08:49] <blue102> have a go at that
[08:49] <blue102> What I want to do is get rid of ms windows
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> You can use samba for linux to linux transfers as well.
[08:50] <blue102> that's why I have samba running
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> nfs is proberly faster.. but has its own quirks to watch out for
[08:50] <yofel> ddecator: sure, ubuntu-bug --help will tell you ;)
[08:50] <blue102> like what?
[08:50] <ddecator> things just keep getting more and more amazing o.o
[08:51] <andrew-jack> thanks.
[08:53] <blue102> Thanks a lot guys for the help
[08:54] <andrew-jack> np. glad it's working!
[08:54] <cleaverroot_> I have an hp t-series printer installed on a windows network hooked up to a windows server. I find the printer and have divers for it but when I print I get weird symbols; like no samba is present
[08:55] <blue102> do you have the ppd file
[08:55] <andrew-jack> are the drivers PCL or PostScript(PS)? sometimes a printer has drivers for both but the actual hardware has PS "deactivated" and you have to pay extra to have PS activated
[08:55] <cleaverroot_> no how do I find it
[08:56] <andrew-jack> is it printing fine from the windows computers?
[08:56] <cleaverroot_> andrew-jack: does it matter that it is a printer about 5 yrs old?
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> i got a 14 yr old printer :)
[08:56] <cleaverroot_> andrew-jack: yes it prints fine from the windows comuters
[08:57] <blue102> should not matter at all mine is 10 years old
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> if its printing symbols.. well it could be some driver/config issue.
[08:57] <blue102> hp 4100dtn
[08:57] <andrew-jack> no way! i think i have one here in the office. i don't print to it tho... i could give it a go and see what happens :)
[08:57] <blue102> I think it could be the ppd file for for cups
[08:58] <cleaverroot_> so that it is printing at all and printing weird symbols means driver right?
[08:59] <cleaverroot_> do I have to give it an IP?
[08:59] <andrew-jack> as blue says, it looks like it might be a driver issue
[08:59] <blue102> do you jetdirect
[08:59] <blue102> have
[08:59] <andrew-jack> mine has a "jetdirect 610N" network card in the back of the printer
[09:00] <cleaverroot_> blue102:no
[09:00] <blue102> mine as well
[09:00] <cleaverroot_> very old printer
[09:00] <blue102> I think you might need to use cups
[09:01] <blue102> with a ppd file from the hp website
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> check the cups.org site also as to what to use for it
[09:02] <blue102> what is the printer name
[09:04] <andrew-jack> sorry, just went and looked and the jetdirect network card is stuffed
[09:04] <blue102> can you ping it
[09:04] <andrew-jack> i'm running the hp4100n off a miniature linux print server from the parralell port (about the size of  a deck of cards, with the parrallel port at one end and ethernet port at the other)
[09:04] <andrew-jack> it's printing over standard LPT protocol if that's any help :(
[09:05] <andrew-jack> sorry!
[09:05] <blue102> I run it with the jetdirect over tcp/ip
[09:05] <blue102> 10.1.1.200
[09:06] <blue102> static
[09:07] <cleaverroot_> Dr_Willis: will do now
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> yea - my little print-server can dolike 4 different printting service protocalls
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> showing thats theres more thenjust samba :)
[09:09] <cleaverroot_> sorry,guys it was because the printer was named twice one under the windows network and once under the actual printername
[09:09] <blue102> there you go :-)
[09:11] <blue102> ok guys thanks
[09:12] <andrew-jack> thx see yas
[09:38] <DexterLB> back
[09:39] <DexterLB> so, NVidia now allowed me to use 864p but still doesn't let me do 1024p
[09:39] <DexterLB> VGA ports suck
[09:39] <DexterLB> I'll try the other cable, although it's a long shot
[09:48] <cleaverroot_> i have not left
[09:49] <blue102> totem can not play mmhs what to do??
[09:52] <blue102> mmsh
[09:52] <blue102> typo
[09:55] <apparle> why is search not working in kubuntu beta
[09:56] <Tm_T> apparle: how it isn't working?
[09:56] <apparle> I have a particular file in my home folder, I can very will see it... but when I type the name in the search bar at the top, I get no results found in status
[09:57] <Tm_T> apparle: it works with all other files?
[09:59] <apparle> Tm_T: actually it doesn't work for any file
[10:01] <Tm_T> apparle: that is search bar in dolphin, right?
[10:01] <apparle> Tm_T: yes
[10:03] <Tm_T> apparle: have you upgraded today?
[10:04] <apparle> yes... all the latest package
[10:04] <Tm_T> hmm, check you have strigi and nepomuk running properly
[10:05] <apparle> Tm_T: how?
[10:05] <Tm_T> apparle: systemsettings -> advanced tab -> desktop search
[10:05] <apparle> Tm_T: both are enabled in it
[10:06] <Tm_T> apparle: there in second tab, you have your homedir selected?
[10:06] <apparle> Tm_T: it says Strigi is currently indexing ....
[10:06] <Tm_T> apparle: uhhh, you might like to wait it to do the job then
[10:07] <apparle> Tm_T: that's too much I have just told it to index about 500GB
[10:07] <Tm_T> awwww
[10:07] <apparle> Tm_T: anyways to do an old search without indexing
[10:07] <Tm_T> apparle: I don't know, I don't use Dolphin myself much
[10:08] <apparle> Tm_T: how do you do it
[10:08] <Tm_T> I'm old fart using Konsole
[10:08] <apparle> Tm_T: I don't mind command line... just don't know how to
[10:09] <apparle> Tm_T: I want to seach the files containing a string in a lots of cpp in lots of folders
[10:09] <apparle> Tm_T:  how to do that
[10:11] <Tm_T> apparle: filename contains the string or file contents?
[10:11] <rye> Anybody used indicator-applet shortcut yet?
[10:11] <rye> WARNING: do not use it right now, need more info
[10:12] <apparle> Tm_T: I want to find what all files are calling a function in a project folder
[10:12] <rye> It looks like it locks the keyboard, anybody heard of such behavior? Or better yet, experienced?
[10:12] <Tm_T> apparle: so it's file contents
[10:12] <apparle> Tm_T: ya
[10:13] <Tm_T> apparle: in project folder, run "grep -iRHn -C2 searchword *" or something like that
[10:16] <rye> next question - anybody experienced host system lockup during kvm guest activity?
[10:18] <sobersabre> hi.
[10:19] <apparle> Tm_T: thanks
[10:20] <cleaverroot> join #ubuntu-women
[10:28] <CosmiChaos> oh lotsa plymouth upgrades and a new package plymouth-label plus changed theme packages
[10:28] <CosmiChaos> i hope they removed violet in the default logo xD
[10:33] <cleaverroot> #ubuntu+1
[10:34] <CosmiChaos> cleaverroot, yes thats this chan
[10:34] <cleaverroot> :-)
[10:43] <rye> ok, confirmed this on 2 more machines - DO NOT use indicator-session applet shortcut - this will render your keyboard unusable and menus of ALL applications will stop working
[10:43] <rye> until X restart
[10:50] <simion314> hi, i managed to install kubuntu lucid using noacpi noapic and nomodeset in the installer but i can/t boot it with ths options any idea what is the fix?
[10:50] <simion314> this bug is present only in lucid no problem in karmic , but disabling KMS should fix it
[10:51] <simion314> other problem is that searching on google about this bug reveals a lot of other bugs, and i can't find this one, i have ati card
[10:51] <Machtin> gnah.. my printer won't print duplex.. even though i set it in the system options as standard and in the printing programm before giving the print job..?
[10:54] <simion314> i wll be back , i will try xforcevesa option
[11:02] <simion314> is not wotking xforcevesa faield, i do not belive that it started with VESA
[11:05] <Guest97668> hi :) I was wondering if someone might be able to get my vaio laptop fan under control please? It's running loudly, and almost constantly so it's quite noisy :(
[11:06] <Guest97668> BTW: I'm running kubuntu 10.04 (with all the recent patches).
[11:07] <CosmiChaos> Guest97668, is it noisy because its just constantly at 100% or because of the bearings broke? if secondly than no software can help you
[11:08] <jamesth> bearings are fine, just running constantly
[11:08] <CosmiChaos> jamesth, does your bios offers a Q-Fan, Fan-SmartControl or Cool and Quiet or what else the heck the call it?
[11:10] <CosmiChaos> jamesth, does it have onboard nvidia... and do you exceed it?
[11:10] <jamesth> @CosmiChaos I can certainly reboot and check, but I don;t ever recall seeing anything in there that controls fan speed etc. But I'm happy to reboot and check it. fyi: CPU is at approx 2-10%.
[11:11] <jamesth> @Costichaos - it does have onboard nVidia (which i'm using atm) but let me check my settings, i think it's an nvidia 8500M or something
[11:12] <CosmiChaos> i dont know if theres a software fan control feature in linux at all, since it can only work if the mobo has got that feature
[11:12] <CosmiChaos> if it has such a feature, mostly it has a bios setting, since its a notebook it would be strongly intelligent for sony to make those feature accessible by bios
[11:13] <CosmiChaos> i know those bioses are of thin width but i dont believe theres no fan control in a notebook :)
[11:13] <jamesth> I'll have a look in the bios, and see what's there. I'll also have a look to see if it's the latest bios too :)
[11:14] <jamesth> might be there, but it might be hidden from the end-user to 'protect us from ourselves' ;)
[11:14] <CosmiChaos> i had one of that early vaios that ha d bad soldered nvidia-gpu so one day i had it been fired of the board by its own heat
[11:16] <CosmiChaos> jamesth, since then i stopped seeing hd gaming on portable computers is a good idea at all :)
[11:16] <simion314> anyone have problem with the pc rebooting at login or a few seconds after? can't find anything on google but i can't be the only one
[11:35] <apparle> what is the command to get all the packages required to build a source?
[11:36] <apparle> if I have downloaded the source from repos
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> hmm apt-get build-deps package
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> or somthing
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get build-dep packagename
[11:41] <Daviey> apparle: people tend to recommend building in a pbuilder chroot.. pbuilder will satisfy the build deps for you.
[11:42] <apparle> Daviey: I have just downloaded xserver-xorg-video-ati with apt-get and want to compile it..... how to get what all -dev packages are required
[11:42] <Daviey> What Dr_Willis suggested will do it.. but it'll leave all the extra stuff on your machine
[11:43] <Daviey> apparle: Using pbuilder will build it in a sterile enviroment, and tear it down afterwards.
[11:44] <apparle> Daviey: Dr_Willis thanks
[11:45] <Daviey> apparle: using pbuilder, you would do something like $ pbuilder-dist lucid build xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.12.99+git20090929.7968e1fb-0ubuntu2.dsc
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> never used pbuilder.
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> but i tend to just build a few packages here and there
[11:50] <bullgard> What does indicate in Synaptic in the column "S" an exclamation mark with the particular DEB program package?
[12:09] <nishanth> my computer freezes ....any way to find out why?
[12:09] <bazhang> nishanth, using lucid 10.04 ?
[12:10] <nishanth> yes
[12:11] <nishanth> is there a way to find out why this might be happening?
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> give moar details of when/how for starters
[12:15] <nishanth> my computer freezes in between work....any way to find out why?
[12:15] <Damascene> hello, we shouldn't update yet?
[12:16] <om26er> Damascene, why?
[12:16] <penguin42> nishanth: When you say freeze, does it completely freeze? Does capslock still work? Does it do it any particular time?
[12:16] <Damascene> | GNOME 2.30 being uploaded. Packages are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet. |
[12:16] <om26er> Damascene, most of the packages are already 2.30 in Lucid
[12:17] <penguin42> Damascene: Last night Crimsun said he would leave that there for a while but it seemed to be OK, I don't know if anything has changed over night
[12:17] <nishanth> penguin142: not any particular times.....nthng works not even mouse or any keys
[12:18] <penguin42> nishanth: Does it do it at any particular time or just randomly?
[12:18] <BUGa_vacations> anyone having trouble in a LAN pinging other PCs ?
[12:18] <BUGa_vacations> either some network module of Lucid went caputz or my router did
[12:18] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: Seems OK here
[12:19] <nishanth> penguin142: randomly
[12:19] <BUGa_vacations> I can't ping my android, a karmic laptop can't ping my lucid one :\
[12:19] <BUGa_vacations> very very strange
[12:19] <BUGa_vacations> but internet works fine
[12:20] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: know any tool to _browse_ a lan?
[12:20] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: What do you mean by 'browse'?
[12:20] <BUGa_vacations> humm
[12:20] <BUGa_vacations> to see where's the blockaged
[12:20] <BUGa_vacations> or the problem
[12:20] <BUGa_vacations> since ping to machines doesn't work
[12:21] <BUGa_vacations> but to router works fine
[12:21] <penguin42> well there's tcpdump just to watch the packets (or wireshark for a gui)
[12:21] <nishanth> penguin142: randomly
[12:22] <cozziemoto> what is the timeline for safe upgrade  considering the topic?
[12:22] <penguin42> nishanth: Very difficult to diagnose; you can try looking in the logs after you reboot, but depending on the freeze it might not have made it to the logs
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> Theres a weird 'frame' around allmy gnome menus, and wallpaper. and other places...
[12:23] <BUGa_vacations> gonna try to power cycle the router
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> wonder if its because i updated/upgraded stuff as i was logged into gnome.
[12:23] <BUGa_vacations> brb
[12:24] <penguin42> nishanth: If you have desktop effects/compiz enabled I'd disable it and see if it's any more stable - 3d drivers are often the weekest link
[12:25] <nishanth> penguin142: well this started happening once after i started using compiz a lot
[12:26] <esay> do you think is 10.04 better than 9.10  i cannot compare because i couldnt use 9.10
[12:28] <nishanth> esay : i like 10.04
[12:28] <nishanth> though i highly reco not using the beta version
[12:29] <BUGabundo> penguin42: FYI rebooting the router fixed it
[12:29] <skydrome> whats the difference with readahead and ureadahead?
[12:30] <robin0800> nishanth: working ok here there were only 26 updates this morning think most of gnome is here now
[12:30] <esay> thanks nishanth
[12:32] <nishanth> robin0800: i kind of lot of issues on lucid
[12:32] <topyli> yay, my eeepc boots for the first time without me having  to remove plymouth first <3
[12:33] <robin0800> nishanth: not here
[12:34] <JEEBsv> topyli: mine has been able to do that for quite a while :D
[12:34] <JEEBsv> although I first installed after the Interface Freeze
[12:34] <nishanth> robin0800:actually my system froze twice today
[12:35] <topyli> well i haven't actually tried too often. it failed after i installed lucid, so i've been routinely checking that it's removed. decided to try now and it works
[12:35] <vivid> mine has never frozen except while running some wine apps
[12:35] <robin0800> nishanth: no freezes no nothing in fact.
[12:35] <apparle> Hello guys
[12:35] <vivid> never
[12:35] <apparle> in kubuntu beta1 the tray is not functioning rightly
[12:36] <vivid> sometimes bad hardware can cause freezes, maybe try memtest
[12:36] <nishanth> robin0800: I am asking people around if there is a way to figure out what might have caused it
[12:37] <robin0800> nishanth: graphic driver?
[12:37] <vivid> nishanth, my first guess would be your hardware being faulty, the linux kernel is quite stable
[12:37] <rye> is the plymouth message about disk check is overlapping one another only for me or for others as well?
[12:37] <nishanth> vivid: how to check wat could be wrong
[12:37] <ripps> aptitude/update-manager seems to freeze during update/checking at 99%, I don't know why.
[12:38] <robin0800> nishanth: logs
[12:38] <nishanth> robin0800: no idea
[12:38] <vivid> nishanth, run memtest first to see if your memory has errors
[12:38] <nishanth> vivid: how?
[12:38] <vivid> reboot select memtest, wait
[12:38] <rye> ok, not mounting /home again...
[12:38] <rye> GGRRRRR
[12:39] <vivid> nishanth, might have to install it, search 'memtest' in synaptic
[12:39] <ripps> nm, it just took 10 min, must be something with the servers.
[12:39] <nishanth> vivid: updates installing now.... will take some time
[12:40] <vivid> nishanth, if it reports errors *any* errors, your memory is faulty, if not check your video drivers/card
[12:43] <robin0800> ripps: there is a built in delay of 2mins here dosn't matter how quickly sudo aptitude works
[12:44] <apparle> The Krunner is responding very very slowly in Kubuntu beta :(
[12:46] <Damascene> any idea why autoremove and autoclean have no effect on /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:48] <Ranakah> hi.. when i try to boot from live cd ubuntu 10.04 i get only black screen (i have radeon 3870)
[12:49] <catweazle> take only apt-get clean
[12:49] <Ranakah> have anybody any idea what i can to do?
[12:49] <zniavre> good aafternoon
[12:50] <zniavre> i got strange border around pictures when thumbnail are in the desktop
[12:51] <zniavre> really huge border > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/187396/border.png < is it a feature ?
[12:52] <bazhang> zniavre, looks like the theme
[12:53] <smf> lucid has stjerm 0.11 its from 2007, it doesnt have 0.13 from 2009/12
[12:53] <smf> plz fix
[12:53] <robin0800> zniavre:  probably part of the theme try customizing themes .... change the controls
[12:54] <apparle> why is krunner behaving erratically in 10.04 beta
[12:56] <Ranakah> how do i disable kms in ubuntu 10.04 live cd boot?
[12:57] <vega> smf: you really think it will be fixed by stating "plz fix" on this channel?
[12:58] <vega> also, lucid is one month away from being released, new versions of software will _not_ be included at this point
[12:58] <apparle> Ranakah: if its for radeon driver then, radeon.modeset=0, for others I don't know. But I think for overall disabling, it must be "nomodeset" but I am not sure
[12:59] <robin0800> smf: if its a bug raise it or add your self to it if it already exists
[13:02] <Ranakah> apparle where i set this?
[13:03] <apparle> Ranakah: press F6 and select the nomodeset option
[13:03] <apparle> just before booting
[13:03] <robin0800> Ranakah:  think this in an xorg.conf also works " #Option    "FBTexPercent"   # "0" "
[13:03] <nishanth> vivid; how do you run memtester?
[13:04] <apparle> Ranakah: Are you using the open source driver
[13:04] <robin0800> nishanth: hit shift at boot time
[13:04] <Ranakah> no.. i just try to boot from live cd
[13:04] <Ranakah> tnx
[13:04] <Ranakah> :D
[13:05] <apparle> Ranakah: any success
[13:13] <[diablo]> afternoon all
[13:13] <[diablo]> guys, the "in-flux" means what exactly please?
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> [diablo]:  in a state of change
[13:17] <[diablo]> hi Dr_Willis
[13:17] <Dr_Willis>  ' a work in progress ' ' could chang at any time '
[13:18] <[diablo]> ok... maybe you can tell me, Empathy vanished from menu and installation ... I´ve waited a couple of days but now just apt-get installed it again
[13:18] <[diablo]> Dr_Willis, should be no issue no?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> what issue?
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Theres been all sorts of issues with gnome this week
[13:19] <[diablo]> I mean reinstalling it after it vanishing :-)
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> What are we even talking about exactly?
[13:20] <[diablo]> ok..  I did a 10.04 beta 1 install
[13:20] <[diablo]> had Empathy there as normal... after a few upgrades, it got de-installed, dunno why
[13:21] <[diablo]> now I have reinstalled it
[13:21] <[diablo]> manually
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> does it work now? if so .. all is good I guess.
[13:23] <[diablo]> yeah it works.. only thing I noticed is that it has an icon showing rather than itergrating with the email, chat etc icon
[13:23] <[diablo]> indicator applet
[13:23] <[diablo]> even
[13:24] <[diablo]> ah relax, its no big deal anyway LOL
[13:25] <[diablo]> actually the lvm mounting issue is more annoying atm, but that is bug reported and in progress
[13:34] <sobersabre> hi. how can I cause svn package to NOT use neon-gnutls, but regular neon library ?
[13:34] <sobersabre> I'm tired compiling my own package,
[13:34] <sobersabre> I want a once-for-all solution
[13:34] <penguin42> why do you need to?
[13:35] <sobersabre> gnutls doesn't work with openssl certificates.
[13:36] <sobersabre> or maybe I am mistaken ?
[13:36] <kklimonda|G1> sobersabre: does subversion package depends on neon-gnutls only or on neon-gnutls | neon ?
[13:37] <sobersabre> kklimonda|G1: unfortunately it depends on the neon-gnutls.
[13:37] <sobersabre> (it's libsvn1 actually)
[13:37] <sobersabre> subversion depends on libsvn1
[13:37] <boourns> hi there, having a weird problem since upgrading to lucid, my gmail is showing the wrong time for everything, but my google settings have the right time zone, and my ubuntu time zone settings are correct. using chromium 5.0.365. any ideas?
[13:37] <sobersabre> libsvn1 depends on libneon-gnutls
[13:37] <sobersabre> which is annoying.
[13:38] <sobersabre> it's a licensing issue.
[13:38] <sobersabre> boourns: maybe your chrome locale is chosen incorrectly....
[13:38] <penguin42> hmm not good - I've just upgraded -> that machine and X is hanging solidly
[13:39] <sobersabre> kklimonda|G1: any\ insights
[13:39] <Machtin> is there any eclipse cdt repository?
[13:39] <sobersabre> ?
[13:40] <kklimonda|G1> sobersabre: not really, if its the licensing issue you will have to build package yourself.
[13:45] <penguin42> this is weird; post upgrade that I've just done (from a beta as of a week ago) I now have no keyboard/mouse on the X server - X is otherwise working OK it's just I can't get it any input - udev??!
[13:46] <yofel> hm, I had that yesterday once, but restarting X fixed it
[13:46] <BUGa_vacations> there were a few changes to
[13:46] <boourns> sobersabre, i can't find how to change the chrome locale, looked in options + googled, any suggestions?
[13:46] <BUGa_vacations> synaptic and other x-input last Monday
[13:47] <penguin42> yofel: Doesn't seem to want to - I don't think X is seeing any input devices at all; they're fine from the console
[13:47] <BUGa_vacations> boourns: ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam, to fta
[13:47] <yofel> hm
[13:48] <abhifx> hi... i have installed nvidia drivers, but i still dont get any hardware acceleration? why? help me plz
[13:48] <yofel> abhifx: do you have /usr on a seperate partition?
[13:48] <vega> penguin42: i have the same problem.. thought it was the dinovo edge usb
[13:49] <penguin42> vega: Are you running xorg-edgers or straight lucid ?
[13:49] <vega> don't know about edgers.. so just plain lucid i suppose
[13:49] <vega> only way to access machine is via ssh
[13:49] <abhifx> yoasif, no
[13:49] <abhifx> yofel, no
[13:50] <penguin42> vega: and if you ssh and run chvt 1 does it get you a console?
[13:50] <yofel> abhifx: ok, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[13:50] <vega> (haven't upgraded in a while, just running 335 packages being upgraded)
[13:50] <abhifx> yofel, hold on plz
[13:50] <rye> is there anybody who runs lucid on a VM or does not mind switching to terminal and restart gdm - bug #553918 - It would be great if that is confirmed fast enough before people start locking their workstations via indicator applet shortcut
[13:50] <vega> penguin42: Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console
[13:51] <penguin42> vega: Do a sudo -s   and then do the chvt 1
[13:51] <vega> penguin42: it outputted nothing.. but no errors also
[13:51] <penguin42> vega: But did your machine switch console?
[13:52] <vega> penguin42: ah so i need to go to the machine and check :)
[13:52] <yofel> abhifx: you can use pastebinit to do it faster from a console
[13:52] <abhifx> yofel, here it is http://pastebin.com/BH0VJEGK
[13:52] <abhifx> yofel, my net is slow.. sorry
[13:53] <vega> penguin42: yes it went to text console
[13:53] <penguin42> vega: and the keyboard works there?
[13:53] <vega> no
[13:53] <vega> but then again, i might be affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/269851
[13:54] <penguin42> vega:oh, works for me at the console
[13:54] <vega> ok, then this is a different case
[13:54] <yofel> abhifx: odd, the nvidia driver is used properly by X, might be a compiz issue
[13:55] <abhifx> yofel, even the nvidia-setting is not able to get the glx info
[13:55] <yofel> abhifx: really? what does 'glxinfo | grep render' give you?
[13:56] <abhifx> yofel, Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[13:56] <yofel> o.O
[13:56] <yofel> Oxymoron: you here?
[13:56] <abhifx> yofel, so??
[13:56] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yes? :)
[13:56] <yofel> Oxymoron: didn't you have a similiar error?
[13:57] <Oxymoron> yofel: Similar like what? Sorry I havent read in this channel today, just turned on my computer
[13:58] <abhifx> yofel, Oxymoron 1st of al... thanks for helping
[13:58] <yofel> Oxymoron: "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig"
[13:59] <Oxymoron> yofel: I dont recognize that, or yeah well one time.
[13:59] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Silly question maybe, but do you have nvidia-common installed?
[13:59] <myk_robinson> Got a laptop with INtel graphics, works great but cant adjust screen brightness. The hotkey does envoke the onscreen brightness graphics, but not actual adjustment takes place. Any ideas?
[14:00] <abhifx> Oxymoron, let me check... but i dont remember installing it
[14:00] <abhifx> Oxymoron, no
[14:00] <penguin42> myk_robinson: A few people have had that - not sure what the fix is
[14:00] <myk_robinson> penguin42: all worked well in the last release.. Go figure....
[14:00] <yofel> ... WHY does the xorg.log show the nvidia driver if it isn't even installed o.O?
[14:01] <penguin42> myk_robinson: Yeh it happens
[14:01] <abhifx> yofel, but it is installed
[14:01] <penguin42> any udev wranglers?
[14:01] <abhifx> yofel, and the xserver is using it
[14:01] <yofel> abhifx: huh? nvidia-current is the driver package, if you don't have it installed how are you using the driver?
[14:02] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Try install that, I got one problem before because i didnt jave modaliases and nvidia-common installed.
[14:02] <abhifx> yofel, the newer one doesnt install it by default... in karmic ... i had it there
[14:02] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Then launch jockey and see what it says
[14:02] <abhifx> Oxymoron, modalias  is installed though
[14:02] <abhifx> Oxymoron, er.. what?
[14:03] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Which distro do you use?
[14:03] <abhifx> Oxymoron, ubuntu... lucid
[14:03] <abhifx> Oxymoron, synaptic hung up while installing common
[14:04] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Ah sorry about that, I am used to my Kubuntu that uses an application called jockey to install proprietary drivers like nvidia
[14:04] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Define hang up?
[14:04] <Oxymoron> And try to do it in console instead by sudo apt-get install nvidia-common
[14:04] <abhifx> Oxymoron, now it crashed
[14:04] <yofel> abhifx, Oxymoron: jockey is what the menu calls 'Hardware Drivers'
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> brainstorm idea. Have programs named AT LEAST a little closely to what their menu items call them. :)
[14:05] <abhifx> Oxymoron, looks like it got installed
[14:05] <abhifx> yofel, thx... looking at it
[14:06] <abhifx> yofel, Oxymoron jockey says nvidia-current is installed
[14:06] <yofel> Dr_Willis: KDE does it my showing both names in the Menu, gnome should do something like 'Hardware Drivers (Jockey)'
[14:07] <edgy> Hi, I installed fglrx in lucid on an ATI HD 5730 and I got Segmentation fault on the log file and when I launch glxgears, what's wrong?
[14:07] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Does it says anything more, like its activated or in use?
[14:07] <abhifx> yofel, Oxymoron jockey says active but not in use
[14:07] <yofel> hm
[14:08] <abhifx> Dr_Willis, good idea :)
[14:09]  * yofel thinks we had that discussion once on ubuntu-devel-discuss already, could have been somewhere else though
[14:10] <penguin42> edgy: You'll need the new version of frglx for lucid
[14:10] <Oxymoron> abhifx: Ah well that was my issue before as well. It was because nvidia-common wasnt installed. I got helped to fix this issue. Alright, try this: "sudo apt-get remove nvidia-current" then make sure you have nvidia-common installed and nvidia-*-modaliases or what they call them. Then launch jokcey (HArdware drivers) and  you should be able to see three different drivers unselected there. Then highlight nvidia-current and make
[14:10] <Oxymoron> jockey install it for you, after that you restart computer and hopefully it should be in use.
[14:11] <abhifx> Oxymoron, yofel thank you both. going to restart xserver to see the changes. thank you once again
[14:11] <Oxymoron> abhifx: And also make sure you have latest jockey release, they made a patch for that thing before that say it was active but not in use
[14:12] <abhifx> Oxymoron, i will... thx again
[14:13] <Oxymoron> abhifx: If you restart xserver I dont know if it will apply, mostly you have to reboot computer if you fiddle with nvidia drivers because i Think kernel must apply the module in bootstrap process to make it in use for xserver
[14:13] <abhifx> Oxymoron, good tip... trying now
[14:14] <Oxymoron> do that and tell if you got it working later on :)
[14:14] <edgy> penguin42: I updated to the latest
[14:14] <penguin42> anyone know how to use udevadm info ?
[14:15] <Oxymoron> yofel: Btw, do you know if v4l2 is installed by default in Kubuntu Lucid?
[14:16] <yofel> Oxymoron: no idea, the only think I have to do with video is watching DVB in Kaffeine on my desktop, but that just somehow worked out of the box
[14:16] <yofel> s/think/thing/
[14:17] <Oxymoron> yofel: Just wonder how Skype, Kmess and Kopete does. I am not sure with my dv video is properly installed by firewire 1394
[14:19] <abhifx_> Oxymoron, didnt work :(
[14:22] <BUGa_vacations> guys, rant or serious thread http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/why-i-might-switch-to-mac-from-ubuntu/
[14:22] <Oxymoron> abhifx_: Sorry I cant answer right now, important conversation with my girl.
[14:22] <BUGa_vacations> cause I identify myself with A LOT of those POV
[14:23] <yofel> abhifx_: 'lsmod | grep nouveau' gives nothing right?
[14:23] <red> what does this mean: *** glibc detected *** aptitude: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x09dc87e8 ***
[14:23] <BUGa_vacations> red: known
[14:23] <red> (when doing sudo aptitude update)
[14:23] <BUGa_vacations> there's a pathc
[14:24] <red> i found it via google too but so far not much talk on any way to fix it
[14:25] <BUGa_vacations> workaround : -q
[14:25] <red> oh so it's nothing more than a error :p
[14:25] <red> doesn't mean the update doesn't fetch everything etc?
[14:26] <BUGa_vacations> red: yeah it works fine
[14:26] <BUGa_vacations> just output
[14:28] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: about the blog post: well, I did switch to KDE as I don't like what the ayatana team is doing anymore and I think he's right when it comes to the kernel, grub and brainstorm. I think the only reasons I actually still stick with Kubuntu is the community and launchpad PPAs
[14:28] <BUGa_vacations> me too
[14:28] <BUGa_vacations> I hope I don't ever move to apple
[14:29] <BUGa_vacations> all my hardcore linux friends that did, never looked back
[14:29] <BUGa_vacations> so they are doing something very well
[14:29] <yofel> I would actually like to have an iMac for things like photoshop or as a fallback option, I think I would at least like it better than windows
[14:29] <BUGa_vacations> true
[14:30] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: I'm not moving to Mac, and I like .deb/apt - but stuff is starting to really annoy me and I'm not sure what to do
[14:30] <bjsnider> stuff?
[14:30] <bjsnider> stuff sucks
[14:32] <penguin42> bjsnider: Primarily the continuing reduction in flexibility in gnome - it's not how I want my GUI to go; and grub2 frankly is a whole lot more complex than I need, but it does work for me; plymouth+mountall is a disaster
[14:32] <BUGa_vacations> +1
[14:32] <bjsnider> what reduction in flexibility?
[14:32]  * yofel just wants a sane way to configure upstart...
[14:32] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: +100
[14:33] <yofel> :D
[14:33] <bjsnider> upstart is brand new, so there's no gui YET
[14:33] <BUGa_vacations> I want a fast login
[14:33] <BUGa_vacations> bjsnider: come on, I've been hearing about upstart for 4 years :(
[14:34] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh upstart is half done - we're not at the point of having the level of control we had for good old fashioned init scripts
[14:34] <yofel> bjsnider: I'm not talking about a gui, I'm talking about a way to configure it that survives package upgrades, or where i don't need to merge config files on upgrades
[14:34] <bjsnider> you want everything to be perfect right now
[14:34] <bjsnider> doesn't happen that way
[14:34] <penguin42> bjsnider: I'd rather stuff didn't get much more broken
[14:35] <BUGa_vacations> bjsnider: no we don't
[14:35] <BUGa_vacations> we are here daily, on every cycle
[14:35] <BUGa_vacations> helping out, providing feedback, testeing
[14:35] <BUGa_vacations> we do understand the time to devople stuff
[14:35] <yofel> well true, but it would have been better we could have done that either a bit earlier so upstart would be more mature now for the LTS release or it should have been postponed to lucid+1
[14:35] <BUGa_vacations> and iroing out bugs
[14:36]  * yofel still refuses to call karmic anything else than a technoligy preview
[14:36] <penguin42> yofel: But with so many major changes in Lucid as well what's the difference - I want a just-fix-bugs cycle
[14:37] <yofel> true
[14:37] <bjsnider> well, i'm really glad for what i have here considering it's free. i didn't pay a microsoft tax on this rig
[14:38] <yofel> well you're right for that, but I just can't shake the feeling that hardy was more ready than lucid at this point (ok, I didn't yet follow ubuntu development back then)
[14:39] <bjsnider> lucid is not ready until it's ready
[14:40] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: I don't
[14:40] <BUGa_vacations> stuff grows and evolves
[14:40] <BUGa_vacations> there's no/little sense in bugfix cyckle
[14:41] <bjsnider> penguin42, what did you "reduction in flexibility" remark vis a vis gnome refer to in specific terms?
[14:41] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: Yeh but I'd like things like mountall and plymouth and pa just to sort themselves out before we try and pile a bit more on
[14:41] <edgy> Can any one tell me why I am getting segmentation fault for my ATI HD 5730 on http://pastebin.ca/1854958
[14:41] <penguin42> bjsnider: Lots of stuff ending up as only modifiable by gconf rather than config guis, stuff being handed down as 'this is the ui design hard luck'
[14:43] <bjsnider> penguin42, what config options would you like in the gui rather than in gconf, for instance?
[14:44] <BUGa_vacations> I rather not see anything in gconf
[14:45] <BUGa_vacations> but that's not pragmatism
[14:45] <penguin42> bjsnider: The icons on menus is a good one, button position is another one, and I've seen it's not unusual within apps as well to have features that you can only get to with gconf
[14:46] <bjsnider> button position. not this crap again
[14:46] <yofel> isn't this something that is decided by gnome? or does ubuntu change anything there?
[14:47] <yofel> (not talking about the buttons or notify-osd)
[14:47] <deanus> maverick meerkat? lol
[14:47] <penguin42> yofel: Ah thank you for reminding me
[14:47] <penguin42> bjsnider: notify-osd behaviour/position was another classic
[14:48]  * BUGa_vacations pulls the UI bugs list he filed over the last 3 cycles
[14:48] <yofel> well, the position looks odd, but it does have a reason
[14:48] <mcnesium_> i am trying to use my scanner canon n650u (fully supported by sane) and i did use it on prior ubuntu installations. now i got 10.04beta running and lsusb shows the scanner, but simple scan and xsane say they cannot find any scan devices. so what can i do about this?
[14:48]  * BUGa_vacations notes it doesn't fit on this screen
[14:49] <bjsnider> you can't change button position or, as far as i know, any other gui feature in osx
[14:49] <penguin42> bjsnider: And I'm not a Mac user
[14:49] <yofel> but you can in xfce and kde
[14:50] <bjsnider> there are very few gui options in windows
[14:50] <BUGa_vacations> bjsnider: I feel the buttons position should be a THEME thing
[14:50]  * yofel thought that ubuntu didn't want to be like windows or mac?
[14:50] <BUGa_vacations> like it used to be in kde
[14:50] <BUGa_vacations> and also window title
[14:50] <BUGa_vacations> I hate having mine left
[14:50] <BUGa_vacations> for years I've been using themes that center it
[14:51] <bjsnider> and the ones that do exist in windows involve drawing stuff on top of the already-drawn windows 2k theme
[14:52] <penguin42> bjsnider: My point is that the behaviour is that someone somewhere decides what my desktop should look like and makes it hard to change back; I don't like that - I'm OK with someone making the decision (even if I disagree with it) but I think it should respect peoples preferences
[14:52] <bjsnider> penguin42, it sounds like you want the k desktop environment and its 300 million options
[14:53] <penguin42> bjsnider: I've looked at moving to KDE a few times recently, but my view is that they're doing the same thing with their desktop; some stuff is again too fixed for me
[14:54] <penguin42> KDE3.x was more to my taste in flexibility
[14:54] <mcnesium_> i am trying to use my scanner canon n650u (fully supported by sane) and i did use it on prior ubuntu installations. now i got 10.04beta running and lsusb shows the scanner, but simple scan and xsane say they cannot find any scan devices. so what can i do about this?
[14:54] <penguin42> mcnesium_: USB?
[14:54] <mcnesium_> yes penguin42
[14:54] <penguin42> mcnesium_: Try an lsusb and see if it is seen
[14:55] <mcnesium_> penguin42 i did this and it is seen (as i already wrote)
[14:55] <bjsnider> penguin42, kde is too fixed for you??? even with all of the confusing menus and sub menus and sub-sub-sub on to infinity menus?
[14:55] <penguin42> mcnesium_: hmm I'm not sure where it's looking for its devices
[14:55] <bjsnider> unbelievable
[14:56] <mcnesium_> penguin42 how can we find out?
[14:56] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: when I moved from wind to linux 100% time
[14:56] <penguin42> bjsnider: I've got specific issues; in particular in KDE4 you can't drop an arbitrary launcher onto the desktop easily (like you can in gnome or any other X wm for the last 20 years)
[14:56] <BUGa_vacations> I started with KDE3
[14:56] <BUGa_vacations> it offered me all the controls I liked
[14:57] <BUGa_vacations> then faded to the ease of GNOME
[14:57] <BUGa_vacations> but now I agree the rigid of gnome is blaunt even for me
[14:57] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: Yeh I've bounced between the two over the years - my problem is at the moment they're all frustrating me!
[14:57] <BUGa_vacations> me too
[14:57] <BUGa_vacations> guess we are all moving to LFCE
[14:58] <reuben> one thing that kde3 had perfect - right click on anything to configure it
[14:58] <BUGa_vacations> heeh
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> i cant stand the pcmanfm file maanger
[14:58] <BUGa_vacations> Dr_Willis: ?
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> kde4 has some very neat features. but still annoying in some ways.
[14:58] <BUGa_vacations> +1
[14:58] <Dr_Willis> been using kde4 on 3 of my machines.
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> Get the desktops set up exactly how I work.. not how gnome forces me to work
[14:59] <Dr_Willis> but i dont see the point in the default kde desktop setup on some things
[14:59] <BUGa_vacations> right
[15:00] <BUGa_vacations> which other WM do you  guys _trust_
[15:00] <BUGa_vacations> to work decently and ease daily work flow
[15:00] <BUGa_vacations> keep in mind I'm stuck with the love for COMPIZ
[15:00] <yofel> dunno, I'm using a rather havy customised KDE now and I'm happy with it
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> i dont see how compiz helps my work flow mich at all.
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:01] <topyli> enlightenment dr16 is still the best window manager ever written
[15:01] <BUGa_vacations> helps me
[15:01] <topyli> so there
[15:01] <BUGa_vacations> really?
[15:01] <topyli> really
[15:01] <BUGa_vacations> I tried it once, didn't lik
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> every time i try Enlightment - i wonder how to turn off 99% of the junk they enable
[15:01] <BUGa_vacations> ahah
[15:02] <topyli> Dr_Willis, sounds like you've been playing with dr17. don't do that, it's crack :)
[15:03] <BUGa_vacations> 16 is better?
[15:03] <BUGa_vacations> is it in the archive?
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> its in the archives
[15:03] <BUGa_vacations> what's the meta package?
[15:03] <Dr_Willis> i recall when 'E' was the heavy window manager/desktop in the pack.. now its claim to fameis eye candy thats light
[15:03] <BUGa_vacations> I've hear very good things about lxfce
[15:04] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Haha yeh - running it on a SPARCStation4 in ~96 was HEAVY
[15:04] <bjsnider> compiz's days are numbered
[15:05] <penguin42> actually likes bits of compiz; although I don't use it
[15:05] <topyli> Dr_Willis, enlightenment was never heavy, i think it uses about the same amount of ram as fvwm
[15:06] <BUGa_vacations> bjsnider: NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:06] <topyli> dunno about e17, it's probably heavier
[15:06] <penguin42> topyli: Not back in the 90's
[15:07] <topyli> penguin42, no. i can't remember ever considering another window  manager for resource usage back then
[15:07] <penguin42> topyli: fvmw was deinitely lighter back then
[15:07] <reuben> if fluxbox got a decent UI designer on the project, they'd be a contender. the themes are a little "basement" at the moment
[15:07] <topyli> i't less than a megabyte, about the same
[15:08] <BUGa_vacations> reading the comments on http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/why-i-might-switch-to-mac-from-ubuntu/ is even more scary then the blog post
[15:08] <BUGa_vacations> and confirms what I see on all my friends that moved to mac :(
[15:08] <BUGa_vacations> if Ubuntu is the best its has been so far in terms of Linux UX
[15:09] <BUGa_vacations> we are screewd
[15:09] <mcnesium_> -.-
[15:09] <Dr_Willis> topyli:  im speaking when it came out.. like befor there was kde/gnome - it was considered heavy back then
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> E - seems to get redone totally every other year. :)
[15:10] <topyli> i didn't consider it heavy
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> They should rename it 'pheonix'
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> when  a 10gb hd was considerd huge.. :) it was
[15:10] <BUGa_vacations> eheh
[15:10] <BUGa_vacations> still
[15:10] <Dr_Willis> Pent 1 100  =  a fast machine back then
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> The GOOD old days.
[15:11] <topyli> E is, and was, less than 1MB in ram, like i said
[15:11] <BUGa_vacations> I remember ppl saying Wn vista  and W7 taking 16GB was crazy
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> back when getting TTF support was  a major task
[15:11] <JEEBsv> reminds me that I still have a P200 machine running
[15:11] <jibadeeha> i remember when i had 30MB HD with Windows 2.0.1 on it and MS-DOS 3.3
[15:11] <penguin42> JEEBsv: You extravegent guy, I've got a P90!
[15:11] <Dr_Willis> I rember when just getting a CD-RW working was a kernel recompile
[15:11] <BUGa_vacations> my slowest running machine a AMD 1.9+
[15:12] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[15:12] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: CD-RW?!!! Heck, the CD ....
[15:12] <BUGa_vacations> BluesKaj: mornig
[15:12] <JEEBsv> penguin42: haha, nice to know that people still have that stuff running 8)
[15:12] <BUGa_vacations> just in time for old times memories
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> I got a Cel 500 in the garrage as a spare machine. :)
[15:12] <BUGa_vacations> oh and I began this chat because of http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/why-i-might-switch-to-mac-from-ubuntu/ BluesKaj
[15:12] <penguin42> JEEBsv: It's my firewall
[15:12] <JEEBsv> hehe
[15:12] <jibadeeha> Dr_Willis, are you the same Dr_Willis that use to be on Dalnet and use Windows NT and it kept blue screening
[15:12] <BUGa_vacations> GUYS BACK ON TOPIC, please
[15:12] <Dr_Willis> jibadeeha:  i used to be on Dalnet - bt never used NT
[15:13] <BUGa_vacations> thkvmx
[15:13] <Viper1432> kinda' ironic...all that stuff working but my bluetooth logitech keyboard/mouse are frickin' borked under lucid.  bug 550288
[15:13] <Dr_Willis> ive heard of others with similer issues Viper1432
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> I cant afford to switch to a mac.. and no idea why id want to. :P
[15:14] <Viper1432> I submitted that bug a couple days back...noone has touched it.  It would seem to me that more than just me and two others are using the logi keyboards. lol
[15:14] <Dr_Willis> bluetooth is the kind of thing that chould of been so COMMON and good years ago.. but it just never took off.
[15:15] <Viper1432> Dr_Willis,  the thing is....under karmic and arch its seen as a usb hub so no issues.  But...lucid suddenly thinks its a bluez device again.  haven't had any issues wit this since intrepid.
[15:15] <Viper1432> but dangit, my 1x cd drive works fine.  -snickers.
[15:16] <topyli> i don't see how using a mac fixes ubuntu's problems
[15:16] <Dr_Willis> I dont see how using ubuntu fix's mac's problems either. :)
[15:16] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Me neither; never did like the Macs gui
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> i dont like being nickled and dimed to death for every little app/tool/what3ver out there ...
[15:17] <Dr_Willis> good old 'shareware' days memories.
[15:19] <cozziemoto> safe to update now? ")
[15:20] <BUGa_vacations> cozziemoto: fine for me
[15:20] <cozziemoto> BUGa_vacations,  ok will try it :) thanks
[15:20] <BUGa_vacations> cozziemoto: you do ask??
[15:20] <BUGa_vacations> I just upgrade 4 times a day
[15:21] <cozziemoto> BUGa_vacations,  yeah genrally i do dist-upgrade several times a day but the topic warned of not upgrading most of the morning
[15:21] <Viper1432> BUGa_vacations,  he's asking because motd is warning about not updating yet.
[15:21] <cozziemoto> yep
[15:21] <BUGa_vacations> cozziemoto: distupgrades?
[15:21] <BUGa_vacations> are you crazy?
[15:21] <BUGa_vacations> :p
[15:21] <cozziemoto> BUGa_vacations,  :)
[15:22] <BUGa_vacations> aptitude safe-upgrade is all you need
[15:22] <cozziemoto> BUGa_vacations,  well I can do apt-get update  ... I rarely if ever use aptitide
[15:22] <cozziemoto> I mean upgrade
[15:22] <BUGa_vacations> cozziemoto: aptitude is better
[15:23] <Crashbit> cozziemoto: use apt-get safe-upgrade
[15:23] <BUGa_vacations> upgrade does nothting special
[15:23] <BUGa_vacations> Crashbit: there's no such thing AFAIK
[15:23] <Crashbit> mm, oh! is really
[15:24] <BUGa_vacations> aptitude is still better
[15:24] <cozziemoto> how about I let synaptic take care of it :)
[15:25] <BUGa_vacations> eewwww
[15:25] <BUGa_vacations> even worse
[15:25] <cozziemoto> :)
[15:26] <BUGa_vacations> I'm not joking
[15:26] <cozziemoto> no big deal which i do ..if it breaks i reinstall  and clean instal when release is realized
[15:27] <BUGa_vacations> the amount of times synaptic upgrades messes my system baffles me
[15:28] <cozziemoto> BUGa_vacations,  wow.. I never have issues with dist-upgrade here  or synatpic for that matter but this may the time :)
[15:30] <Viper1432> actually synaptic just about buggered my test install up last week.  it wanted to "partial upgrade" and part of that was to remove about 60 applications without replacing them.  When in doubt cli aptitude is the best option as it is the most verbose about what is going on.  imho.
[15:30] <BUGa_vacations> NEVER do a partial install
[15:30] <BUGa_vacations> unless you KNOW what you are doing
[15:30] <BUGa_vacations> never got why it so prominently offered
[15:30] <Viper1432> BUGa_vacations,  duh.  lol.  read the whole post.  ;)
[15:31] <BluesKaj> well, BUGa_vacations , my attitude is , one has to expect a few problems with alpha-beta releases , but I'm not sure i understand your reasons for contemplating a switch to something as proprietary as OSX .
[15:33] <paradoxuncreated> I see Pulseaudio is not working with Jack in the default install. Have you tried jack_startup script?
[15:41] <cozziemoto> ok dist upgrade went well
[15:50]  * davisc ponders upgrading straight from Jaunty to Lucid beta
[15:50] <davisc> Or am I asking for a world of pain?
[15:50] <bazhang> davisc, not possible
[15:51] <bazhang> davisc, unless you mean a complete fresh install
[15:52] <davisc> bazhang: Ah, thought it would let me. That solves that :-)
[15:52] <penguin42> does anyone know if there is a channel for xorg-edgers?
[15:52] <yofel> update-manager won't let you, you'll first need to upgrade to karmic and then to lucid
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> LTS to LTS is supported.. otherweise its one rele4ase at a timeupdatess
[15:52] <yofel> penguin42: #ubuntu-x ?
[15:53] <penguin42> yofel: Thanks - didn't spot that
[15:53] <yofel> well, it's not that there isn't a way to go directly from jaunty to lucid, but that *is* asking for pain
[15:53] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: we mention that # here so many times
[15:53] <BUGa_vacations> WOW
[15:53] <BUGa_vacations> GPM bug
[15:53] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: I actually looked through the channel list and missed it!
[15:53] <BUGa_vacations> anyone on gnome
[15:53] <penguin42> yeh
[15:53] <BUGa_vacations> put laptop bright to MAX
[15:54] <BUGa_vacations> I get a ballon saying battery fully charged
[15:54] <BUGa_vacations> *everytime*
[15:54] <patdk-wk> heh, I have gone directly from fiesty to karmic :) and it seems to work, but it was also a server, lot less things to break
[15:54] <BUGa_vacations> anyone else?
[15:55] <yofel> the issues is mostly the thing with transitional packages, those won't work right if you skip releases
[15:55] <patdk-wk> yep
[15:55] <patdk-wk> well, my main issue was I waited too long
[15:56] <patdk-wk> so I couldn't upgrade it to gaunty, so kindof screwed
[15:56]  * BUGa_vacations files bug
[15:56] <patdk-wk> gnome is still being uploaded?
[15:58] <yofel> patdk-wk: not really, should be finished now, the warning should vanish today I think
[15:58] <patdk-wk> I go on vacation today :)
[15:58] <yofel> meh, mountall now depends on plymouth :/
[15:59] <patdk-wk> just want to make sure my system is unstable as possible before I leave :)
[15:59] <yofel> ^^
[16:01]  * penguin42 now has keyboard but none of the arrow/home/end keys
[16:03] <monkey_dust> in bash scripting, how do i insert a blank line? i'm testing with "^[ ]*$" but that's a kind of eternal loop
[16:03] <yofel> monkey_dust: huh? posting a blank line to the terminal?
[16:03] <patdk-wk> ^$
[16:03] <BUGa_vacations> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/554000
[16:03] <patdk-wk> not sure what regex has to do with bash
[16:04] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: define NOW
[16:04] <BUGa_vacations> cause I purged plymouth this week
[16:04] <patdk-wk> maybe you want, ^\S*$
[16:04] <BUGa_vacations> and it didn't take anythign else with it
[16:04] <monkey_dust> yofel, i 'm trying to create a .sh file
[16:05] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: mountall 2.10 "* Add hard dependency on Plymouth; without it running, mountall will ignore any filesystem which doesn't show up within a few seconds or that fails to fsck or mount.  If you don't want graphical splash, you simply need not install themes."
[16:07] <BUGa_vacations> if I won't boot next time, you know what's the culprid
[16:07] <monkey_dust> in bash scripting, how do i insert a blank line? i'm testing with "^[ ]*$" but that's a kind of eternal loop => http://paste.ubuntu.com/408142/
[16:07] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:08] <patdk-wk> that is nothing to do with bash scripting :)
[16:08] <yofel> monkey_dust: just what are you trying to do?
[16:08] <monkey_dust> it's in bash, tho
[16:08] <patdk-wk> replace, grep "^[ ]*1$", with echo
[16:08]  * yofel would suggest what patdk-wk said too
[16:08] <patdk-wk> looks like a mess :)
[16:09] <Jumusa> I have a problem on starting liveCD, it completely freeze on the red dots, any help?
[16:09] <yofel> echo without any arguments will simply print a newline character to stdout
[16:09] <patdk-wk> hmm, my system till works, after update :)
[16:09] <monkey_dust> patdk-wk, echo did the trick and i am now ready to shoot myself ;)
[16:10] <reuben> Jumusa - is it responsive to your keyboard? try hitting ctrl alt del once
[16:10] <Jumusa> no help
[16:10] <reuben> Jumusa - that unfreezes the boot for me
[16:10] <OldFarter> Howdy
[16:10] <costre> Jumusa, First, try waitning for like half an hour
[16:10] <reuben> :)
[16:11] <costre> im serious
[16:11] <OldFarter> I got a broad variety of issues with 10.4
[16:11] <Jumusa> okay, I didn't wait that long, because in my laptop it started instantly.
[16:11] <costre> if in doubt, wait half an hour, regardless :) works like 75% of the time
[16:11] <costre> especially when installing or booting from liveCD
[16:11] <OldFarter> First of all, im very pleased with the boot speed
[16:12] <costre> often it takes only a few minutes, but I have experienced at least 15 minutes
[16:12] <Jumusa> Thanks, I'll test it
[16:12] <costre> "That's what SHE said!"
[16:12] <OldFarter> My sound only work every now and then
[16:13] <costre> OldFarter, Have you run many other distros?
[16:13] <OldFarter> seems like the sound card isn't recognized
[16:13] <OldFarter> 8.04-9.1
[16:13] <OldFarter> etc
[16:13] <costre> ok, and it has worked?
[16:14] <OldFarter> Same issue with sound in 8.04
[16:14] <OldFarter> perfect in 9.10
[16:14] <OldFarter> in 8.04 i run "sudo alsa force-reload"
[16:14] <OldFarter> and it fixes the problem
[16:14] <patdk-wk> now this is stupid
[16:15] <patdk-wk> something crashed, and apport is attempting to file a bug
[16:15] <patdk-wk> and asking me a crapload of questions
[16:15] <patdk-wk> but has yet to let me see anything about it, so I dunno what I am reporting :(
[16:15] <patdk-wk> oh, more of these soft lockup things :(
[16:15] <OldFarter> but i have to do that before  i log in through GDM if not i get issues with libfuse
[16:16] <espen77> hmm....my trackpoint middle button on a thinkpad stopped working in the last updates. any ideas?
[16:16] <OldFarter> oh yeah and my bootup screen is only 16 colors
[16:16] <patdk-wk> 16 is more than enough
[16:17] <OldFarter> patdk-wk,  thats 14 too many
[16:17]  * patdk-wk is attempting to get back to 2
[16:17] <OldFarter> I have an old "color" monitor in the basement....    it lets you change the backlight color
[16:17] <OldFarter> !!!!!
[16:17] <OldFarter> Fucking rad!
[16:18] <patdk-wk> "color" = cga? :)
[16:18] <OldFarter> It only works with serial and some low VGA
[16:19] <BUGa_vacations> ! COC > OldFarter
[16:19] <OldFarter> newest computer it works with is the hot new IBM ps2
[16:20] <mawst> I had one of those.
[16:20] <mawst> 22mHz OMG!
[16:20] <mawst> :D
[16:20] <OldFarter> 1MB ram
[16:20] <mawst> I had 4mb
[16:20] <mawst> :P
[16:20] <OldFarter> 20mb hd
[16:20] <patdk-wk> I had two 4mb full length, full height isa cards :)
[16:20] <OldFarter> But did you have a ethernet card?
[16:20] <mawst> Win 3.1 + AOL
[16:20] <mawst> :D
[16:21] <OldFarter> ah back when windows kinda worked!
[16:21] <OldFarter> Before native networking
[16:21] <patdk-wk> hmm, my dad kept trying to use GEOS back then :)
[16:22] <mawst> I went from the PS2 to a Sega Saturn + Netlink Expansion.
[16:22] <sioux_33> hi i got lucid working on my laptop need little help. i use usb network dongle with atheros chipset so when i plug usb the cpu is moving up to around 30% when i unplug it then i get 0 to 2 % cpu how to sort it out? i use wicd
[16:22] <OldFarter> im going to reboot and see if by some obscure stoke of luck i get sound
[16:22] <OldFarter> brb
[16:28] <sioux_33> hi i got lucid working on my laptop need little help. i use usb network dongle with atheros chipset so when i plug usb the cpu is moving up to around 30% when i unplug it then i get 0 to 2 % cpu how to sort it out? i use wicd
[16:32] <DexterLB> I cannot add keyboard layouts
[16:32] <DexterLB> gnome-keyboard-properties freezes
[16:33] <DexterLB> :S
[16:38] <monkey_dust> this works, but i'm trying to put some text before the variables, how do i do it? => http://paste.ubuntu.com/408155/
[16:39] <yofel> monkey_dust: do you want to run or print the varialbe contents?
[16:40] <monkey_dust> yofel, the result of the variables, i.e. IP addresses
[16:40] <yofel> monkey_dust: result? so you want to run the contents?
[16:41] <monkey_dust> yes
[16:41] <yofel> ok, that should be fine then, printing is done with echo: echo "text" [or echo -n "text" without newline]
[16:41] <monkey_dust> yofel, i'm trying to create something like "your local IP address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx"
[16:42] <yofel> monkey_dust: oh, so the IP address is stored in IPADDR, and not the command to get it?
[16:42] <monkey_dust> yofel, i know echo, but how do i put text and variables on one line?
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> Time to read some bash basics tutorals i think
[16:43] <jbwiv> guys, I've downloaded the Lucid alternate cd, and I've verified the md5sum. I burned to disc, then dd'd the disc back to iso, and it was also correct. Yet, when I try to reboot and install, my machine resets just after selecting "Install Ubuntu". Is anyone else having this issue?
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> !abs
[16:43] <yofel> monkey_dust: echo "address: $IPADDR"
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> echo Hello this is $variable
[16:43] <monkey_dust> some other guy just said minutes ago, that this has nothing to do with bash scripting
[16:43] <jbwiv> I should add this is amd64 alternate cd
[16:43] <Dr_Willis> it has everything to do with bash basics.. and it is covered in the ABS guide
[16:44] <yofel> monkey_dust: back then you just had a bunch of grep commands, now this is starting to look like a bash script
[16:45] <Dr_Willis> jbwiv:  was this a daily build iso?
[16:45] <jbwiv> Dr_Willis, no, the beta cd. Downloaded it from the site this morning
[16:46] <Dr_Willis> jbwiv:  that is odd. You may want to try the daily build iso images. they will have all updated from the past few weeks included.
[16:46] <jbwiv> checksum 98a3ca7015ebb61a2bc5ff49cf3b442e, ubuntu-10.04-beta1-alternate-amd64.iso
[16:46] <Draglor> monkey_dust: IF="your interface"; echo "Your local IP Address is: `ifconfig $IF|grep "inet\ "|cut -d \: -f 2|cut -d \  -f 1`"
[16:47] <Dr_Willis> ive seen other 'what is my ip' scripts out there on the internet. Some access those  'what is my ip' web sites
[16:48] <Draglor> monkey_dust: set IF to your interface (eg. IF="eth0") and it should print you IP as you wanted
[16:48] <monkey_dust> Draglor, i'm just learning, first the easy scripts ;)
[16:48] <Draglor> this is easy .. just some commands piped together monkey_dust
[16:49] <Draglor> ifconfig shows your interface , grep takes the "inet " line from it and cut suts everything except the IP from the string .. thats all
[16:49] <monkey_dust> Draglor, one at a time :)
[16:49] <DexterLB> is there an alternative to gnome-keyboard-properties?
[16:50] <monkey_dust> easy for you is not easy for me, i read victor hugo and jk huysmans in french ;)
[16:50] <topyli> DexterLB, sure, gconftool :)
[16:51] <DexterLB> aand, gconf-editor
[16:51] <Draglor> ifconfig $INTERFACE (interface is e.g. eth0) shows your interface config including your ip
[16:51] <Draglor> grep takes the line including "inet " and removes everything else .. and cut strips everything in the line except the ip address
[16:51] <Dr_Willis> guess he showd you! :)
[16:52] <DexterLB> but where are the layouts?
[16:52] <Draglor> it's just about knowing some commands .. it's easy if you know them, but getting to know them sometimes isn#t that easy
[16:52] <DexterLB> I need to add a layout
[16:55] <zzz_> IPAcur=`wget http://checkip.dyndns.org/ -O - -o /dev/null | cut -d: -f 2 | cut -d\< -f 1 |tr -d [:space:]`
[16:55] <Jumusa> LiveCD jammes on start, blue dots are not moving, waited over 30 min.
[16:57] <Jumusa> any help
[16:57] <DexterLB> same here, any help?
[16:59] <yofel> can you still press esc? does it print anything? what graphics card are you using?
[16:59] <DexterLB> Jumusa: I had the same problem
[16:59] <DexterLB> Jumusa: if you've got 2 displays disconnect one
[17:00] <fvs> subversion doesn't install on amd64
[17:00] <yofel> fvs: why?
[17:00] <Jumusa> I have 2 displays, yes
[17:01] <fvs> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu.securedservers.com/pool/main/a/apr-util/libaprutil1_1.3.9+dfsg-3build1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
[17:01] <Jumusa> ok. test that one
[17:02] <xfact> Hello
[17:03] <xfact> Just upgraded to Lucid and now I can't see any window border (Minimize. Maximize button etc.) any ideas how to have it back?
[17:03] <BUGa_vacations> xfact: what is your GPU? drivers? do you have compiz on?
[17:04] <BUGa_vacations> have you tried to restart? or choose a theme from Appeareace?
[17:04] <xfact> BUGa_vacations, I have good Nvidia 256 MB graphics card, in Karmic I had Compiz on and yes I have tried restarting but still same
[17:05] <nick125> xfact: Were you using the proprietary nvidia drivers before?
[17:05] <xfact> nick125, The default 185 driver for Karmic
[17:05] <BUGa_vacations> that's no longer the driver
[17:05] <BUGa_vacations> we now ship nvidia-current
[17:05] <nick125> xfact: In Lucid, they're now using the Nouveau driver, which is open source...but has a few issues.
[17:06] <BUGa_vacations> check jockey to see if that what you hae
[17:07] <xfact> Current;
[17:07] <xfact> sorry
[17:08] <bjsnider> xfact, open a console type glxinfo, note the result
[17:09] <xfact> bjsnider, Now should I show the result to you?
[17:09] <bjsnider> the first line
[17:10] <xfact> Yup sorry
[17:10] <xfact> I got it
[17:11] <xfact> Actually in compiz under "Window decorations" the command was like "-- emerald replace"
[17:11] <xfact> Now I changed it into default and the window borders are clearly visible
[17:11] <xfact> *it was my previous fault
[17:12] <xfact> Thank you :)
[17:16] <kingrayray> hey does anybody have problems with empathy not remembering accoutn details? and also where does it store them? I think I need to nuke them or something lol
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> see if a new user has the same issues
[17:18] <kingrayray> Dr_Willis: ooh good idea..
[17:19] <yofel> oh nice, usb-creator is completely useless "isoinfo: Permission denied. Cannot open '/media/ext/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu-lucid-desktop-i386.iso'. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[17:19] <yofel> wtf?
[17:20] <DexterLB> lol
[17:20] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: when it ever wasn't ?
[17:20] <DexterLB> lucid rocks!
[17:20] <DexterLB> except for doing anything useful
[17:21] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: I think I can remember some long gone time when I actually managed to get it to work... when was that again...
[17:21] <kingrayray> Dr_Willis: appears to work fine in a new account, any idea where the account settings are stored? I recently restored a backup of my ~/ so it might be having permission issues or something
[17:22] <yofel> the best thing is: I only get that error if I run usb-creator with sudo, if I run the gui I can select the image, but once I click on create I immediately get 'Installation Failed."
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> proberly bad ownership of comthing
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> set everything in your home to be owned by your user
[17:25] <jng> hi -- anyone know how to get the sun-java6-plugin working in firefox?
[17:25] <yofel> jng: yes, mom
[17:25] <yofel> jng: see the workarounds on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/532174
[17:25] <rexn> does anyone know of a ubuntu based security oriented distro similar to backtrack? does such a thing exist?
[17:26] <BUGa_vacations> rexn: not the # to ask
[17:26] <rexn> ok
[17:26] <jng> tks yofel.. i'd been there, but /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so is awol on my machine
[17:26] <bazhang> rexn, #backtrack-linux
[17:27] <yofel> jng: then you don't have the jre installed
[17:27] <yofel> Dr_Willis: yep, bad permissions, nfs can be confusing sometimes...
[17:28] <jng> hmm. it says it is... aptitude search java | grep sun
[17:28] <jng> i A sun-java6-bin                   - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (
[17:28] <jng> i A sun-java6-jre                   - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (
[17:28] <jng> will try and remove and put back...
[17:28] <yofel> jng: do you have amd64 or i386?
[17:28] <jng> i386
[17:29] <yofel> hm
[17:29] <jng> oh joy.. got a core dump from apt when I tried to remove..
[17:29] <BluesKaj> jng, ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[17:29] <penguin42> is it me or is flash getting even less reliable?
[17:29] <rexn> bazhang: thank you
[17:30] <yofel> jng: if you used aptitude then use '-q'
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  but is has innovative ways to put ads in videos now!
[17:30] <flyguy97> Will I be able to go from lucid beta to the final version without reinstalling?
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> flyguy97:  yes.
[17:30] <bazhang> flyguy97, yes
[17:30] <nick125> penguin42: I didn't think it was possible, but yeah.
[17:30] <jng> ah.. just checking the sources...
[17:30] <jng> tks all
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> thats is such a faq :)
[17:31] <flyguy97> excellent thanks, will it be through the update manager?
[17:35] <DSpair> Hi gang, I'm having issues with multiple users and PulseAudio...
[17:36] <DSpair> My wife an I share a computer. We have seperate logins and use the fast user switching to share the PC. The first person to log on has audio, and the second person cannot play audio at all.
[17:36] <DSpair> Any usggestions?
[17:36] <DSpair> s/usggestions/suggestions/
[17:37] <rye> DSpair, hm, system-wide pulseaudio server?
[17:38] <holstein> DSpair: im not sure about how the fast-user=switcher works, but if you completly log out, can the 2nd user get audio?
[17:38] <Dr_Willis> my wife vnc'd into my machine once.. and started playing pacman.. i had the sound downstairs :) that was amuseing
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> pulse audio with multiple users.. that would be a bit of a challenge to get it right
[17:44] <BluesKaj> PA is a challenge for single users DSpair , is it required on your system for audio , or can you get by without it.
[17:45] <yoasif> DSpair, it's a bug, dtchen posted about it on some mailing list
[17:45] <yoasif> i think it is being worked on though, look around
[17:46] <BluesKaj> I still say dump PA, and run with alsa for audio if PA is causing problems
[17:46] <DSpair> holstein: Yep, and I found a post explaining why.
[17:46] <DSpair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/433654/comments/47
[17:47]  * penguin42 would have thought PA should have dealt well with multiple users
[17:48] <holstein> nice DSpair
[17:48] <holstein> i was going to suggest adding users to the audio group to see what would happen
[17:49] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[17:50] <holstein> you might find something useful here
[17:51] <BluesKaj> There's no reason to use PA unless you run a fancy sound system , normal 2 ch audio doesn't benefit much
[17:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Not strictly true
[17:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The audio mixing is a nice benefit
[17:52] <penguin42> BluesKaj: With PA my flash doesn't block just because I'm playing music and/or the other way
[17:52] <BluesKaj> audio mixing is out of the ordinary imo
[17:54] <BluesKaj> penguin42, block ?
[17:55] <holstein> doesnt lock up the audio device with one task
[17:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, if you aren't using PA or similar, and you are playing music and you open a webpage with flash on the flash player will hang trying to open /dev/audio
[17:55] <holstein> usually... in theory
[17:57] <BluesKaj> interesting, i don't play music while surfing media sites , I expect audio , so anything that was playing is paused anyway
[17:57] <penguin42> but with PA it just works
[17:57] <holstein> even if its paused, the audio still takes over the sound device
[17:57] <holstein> thats whats cool about PA
[17:58] <BluesKaj> not on my pc or laptop, no audio whatsoever with PA..had to dump it
[17:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That sounds fixable; PA has managed to play audio fine for me since Karmic
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had any sound issues also.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> as soon PA was removed , voila! audio
[17:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Worth giving it a try again, for playing it seems to work pretty well these days
[17:59] <Dr_Willis> wow - 'Maverick Meerkat' comming soon....
[18:00]  * Dr_Willis is sick of the cute names
[18:00] <penguin42> Meerkats are getting too much press these days
[18:00] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well I tried several times to fix PA, but to no avail so I now I can't be bothered
[18:00] <robbit10> is GNOME 2.30 still being uploaded? If so, is it safe for me to upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 right now?
[18:00] <penguin42> robbit10: Seems to be there in one piece now
[18:00] <penguin42> (having said that X broke for me, but I'm running bleeding edge X)
[18:00] <nick125> Nothing has blown up here yet...so I think it might be safe.
[18:01] <robbit10> okay, i'll try upgrading. But before that, i have a problem.. I removed GNOME and Ubuntu-desktop and installed kubuntu-desktop. How do I revert to Ubuntu?
[18:01] <penguin42> robbit10: Just install ubuntu-desktop
[18:01] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:02] <holstein> domjohnson: hey
[18:02] <domjohnson> How can I fsck another partition other than the one that /bin/bash is on?
[18:02] <penguin42> domjohnson: Is it mounted?
[18:02] <domjohnson> Nope
[18:02] <domjohnson> Can't mount it
[18:02] <penguin42> domjohnson: Easy - fsck /dev/sdwhatever
[18:02] <robbit10> penguin42: But if I remove KDE and install ubuntu-desktop, will it be ready for the upgrade?
[18:02] <penguin42> robbit10: Yeh should be
[18:02] <domjohnson> ok
[18:02] <robbit10> penguin42: ok
[18:03]  * penguin42 wishes he could make his uparrow work
[18:05] <robbit10> penguin42: thanks
[18:05]  * domjohnson cries
[18:05] <domjohnson> Looks like my 40GB has gone
[18:05] <domjohnson> Superblock is corrupt - any way to fix that, or is it just buggered?
[18:05] <domjohnson> Pardon my albanian.
[18:06] <guntbert> domjohnson: what command did you enter?
[18:06] <domjohnson> fsck /dev/sdc
[18:06] <domjohnson> -p
[18:07] <guntbert> domjohnson: the device itself has probably no file system - you need fsck /dev/sdc1 (or whatever number you want)
[18:07] <guntbert> to check
[18:09] <domjohnson> ok
[18:09] <domjohnson> 'tis doing something now
[18:09] <domjohnson> cheers :)
[18:09]  * Dr_Willis waits for the kaboom
[18:10] <guntbert> Dr_Willis: is cassandra your middle name? ;-)
[18:11] <Dr_Willis> 'but wheres the earth shattering kaboom!'
[18:11]  * Dr_Willis upgrades to Maverick Meerkat
[18:11] <domjohnson> YES!
[18:11] <domjohnson> IT'S WORKING
[18:11] <domjohnson> THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUu!!!!!!!!
[18:11] <guntbert> domjohnson: you're welcome :-)
[18:11] <domjohnson> Right...gonna have to back up my home folder
[18:12] <domjohnson> It's been showing signs of dying for some time
[18:12] <domjohnson> Well...a couple weeks.
[18:12] <Berzerker> I lost my sound icon in the notification bar, how do I get it back?
[18:14] <nick125> Berzerker: Add the "Indicator Applet" applet
[18:15] <Berzerker> nick125: I don't need the mail icon, is there a way to remove just that one?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> theres some guides on doing that Berzerker
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> either at the OMGubuntu site or the webupd8 ubuntu news site
[18:17] <Dr_Willis> i think i bookmarked them at  http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[18:30] <bcurtiswx> i upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and the plymouth boot screen doesn't show.. now is my GDM login background changed
[18:32] <gorgonzola> hello. i'm experiencing degenerate cpu usage from xorg, anywhere from 40% to 80% permanently. any ideas on how to debug?
[18:33] <bloodydog> what is the default/recomened file system for the upcoming lucid lynx release ?
[18:34] <penguin42> bloodydog: ext4
[18:34] <bloodydog> penguin42, thank you
[18:34] <bcurtiswx> .
[18:35] <brontosaurusrex> is there a page with lucid new features, dekstop ones?
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  some of the ubuntu news sites have a few articals.
[18:44] <dopower> gnome 2.30 packages still not done?
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> saw one today '5 changes you may have overlooked...' on.. i forget the site. :) its in my news feeds
[18:44] <exEx> can any trobleshoot my remote desktop problem
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> and whats the problem?
[18:46] <exEx> its that i have 2 pc's connected via LAN using Ubuntu and remote desktop connection establishes and i see the desktop and when i play a video only one frame of video shows and another on reconnecting
[18:46] <exEx> and even the desktop connection is not smooth
[18:47] <exEx> both PC's are Intel core 2 Duo e4500 with ddr2 2 Gib ram
[18:47] <dopower> is there any status on how much packages of gnome 2.30 are done yet?
[18:47] <dopower> site etc
[18:48] <exEx> help please
[18:48] <yofel> dopower: should be done now
[18:48] <exEx> help please
[18:48] <dopower> yofel: so its safe to update?
[18:49] <dopower>  /topic says something different
[18:50] <exEx> its that i have 2 pc's connected via LAN using Ubuntu and remote desktop connection establishes and i see the desktop and when i play a video only one frame of video shows and another on reconnecting	
[18:50] <yofel> dopower: topic is like that for the last 2 or 3 days, it should be safe now
[18:50]  * DSpair hates it when companies take Linux and use it for the basis of a product and remove the guts and make it unuseable.
[18:51] <dopower> yofel: ty
[18:51] <exEx> help i need lucid help
[18:52] <yofel> exEx: please be patient a bit, not all of us follow the channel in real time and not all of us use remote desktop connections
[18:52] <exEx> k
[18:53] <exEx> k
[18:54] <Dr_Willis> playing a video over remote desktoip is not that good a way to do it.
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> better to access the file via samba/nfs/sshfs and play it that way
[18:55] <exEx> how
[18:55] <exEx> i dont understand
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> install/use whatever fileshareing service you want.. access remote filesystem
[18:55] <exEx> ohh
[18:55] <exEx> but remote desktop works fine with windows 7
[18:55] <Dr_Willis> If they are on the same local lan.. NFS would be fastest.. but sshfs easietst to get going for a quick thing
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> I dont do windows..
[18:56] <exEx> wats sshfs
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> remote desktop is using vnc. so that can be sluggish
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> !info sshfs
[18:56] <exEx> plz tell me wats sshfs
[18:56] <exEx> info sshfs
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> gee.. why dont you ask again befor i even have time to answer...
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> sshfs lets you mount a remote machine to a local directory using SSH.
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> 'ssh file system'
[18:57] <exEx> how can i do that
[18:57] <exEx> sorry for repitition
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> install 'sshfs' -  and install ssh on both machines. use sshfs command to mount remote box to a directory
[18:58] <brontosaurusrex> oh, its all pinky and stuff
[18:58]  * brontosaurusrex sells his macpro at once
[18:58] <exEx> installed
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  lilac and lavander. :)
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> !ssh
[18:59] <brontosaurusrex> Dr_Willis: are there any better menu systems inside, like search for an app while typing and stuff like that?
[18:59] <exEx> ssh client for ubuntu??
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> brontosaurusrex:  i tend to use gnome-do for that sort of stuff
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> exEx:  yes. theres ssh clients for ubuntu...
[18:59] <brontosaurusrex> Dr_Willis: right
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> its called 'ssh'
[19:00] <exEx> like
[19:00] <exEx> i need graphical one
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> why?
[19:00] <vish> anyone using inkscape on Lucid?
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> open terminal, ssh remotebox   there ya go
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> there is putty for linux.. but its not really needed
[19:00] <vish> seems i lost my scrollbars in inkscape :(
[19:02]  * Dr_Willis looks under the desk
[19:02] <exEx> ok done thanks guys
[19:03] <penguin42> vish: They still seem to be here
[19:03] <brontosaurusrex> any known problems with virtualbox installs?
[19:03] <exEx> yes
[19:03] <vish> penguin42: hmm , why are they gone for me :s
[19:03] <vish> penguin42: thanks
[19:03] <exEx> i installed virualbox it says no kernel module for lucid
[19:04] <bermuda> hi @all
[19:04] <brontosaurusrex> exEx: i meant running lucid in virtualbox as guest os
[19:05] <exEx> sorry : i did it with windows its perfectly fine
[19:05] <domjohnson> bcurtiswx - this may be ill informed, but I don't think the splash is supposed to appear...
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> Heh - my gnome is broke - its all 'white' but the menus do pull down and stuff
[19:10] <leagris> Dr_Willis, don't you like white gnome?
[19:10] <yofel> Dr_Willis: white as in, _blank_ white? ^^
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> blank like a peice of paper
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> i do see a bit of a line where the panel is at..
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> but no icons/text/anything else.   I ran an app from the menu it appears when i click where it should be at least
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> so it is sort of working :)
[19:12] <leagris> Dr_Willis, did you activate 3D effects with compiz?
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> leagris:  i dont recall if i had them on or off
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> looking now..
[19:12] <lotia> anyone have issues with the login message indicating an incorrect number of packages that can be updated (logging in remotely over ssh)
[19:12] <leagris> Dr_Willis, this can happen with some effects when your graphic card is low on texture memory
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> thats amuseing..  ALL of the 'check box' under wallpaper -> effects tab.. were unselected.
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> none of the 3 (none, some, custome) was checked.
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> I checked None and the desktop came back
[19:14] <leagris> Dr_Willis, when I can't sort gnome bugs related to tuning I move ~/.gnome2 to ~/.gnome2.save and try with a fresh setup. I can revert with moving ~/.gnome2.save ~/.gnome2
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> I checked None, then extras. and it all seems to be working.
[19:15] <centaur5> How do you restart samba in Lucid?
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> looks like some gnome settings got messed up. Yep
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo service samba restart
[19:15] <leagris> Dr_Willis, look like much the texture memory issue
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> or was it 'sudo service smbd restart'
[19:16] <centaur5> Dr_Willis: thanks,
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> the appearance-perferances tool seems to have crashed.
[19:16] <leagris> Dr_Willis, I prefer tu use conpizconfig instead
[19:16] <leagris> this leave more options with more plugins
[19:16] <Dr_Willis> I normally just turn it Off completely
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:17] <leagris> I replaced the windows decorator with Emerald I like
[19:17] <Dr_Willis> i was suprised emerald was still in Lucid.
[19:18] <Random832> what's emerald?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> a window-decorator compiz can use
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> one of 3 that exist.
[19:19] <Barridus> j
[19:22] <bcurtiswx> hey all, I just upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and my login screen is still the old one.  How would I fix that?
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> I noticed its using the old xplash wallpaper here also.
[19:23] <bcurtiswx> isn't usplash gone? should I get rid of it?
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> ah it is removed.. nevermind
[19:24] <bcurtiswx> next idea?
[19:24] <maxb> dunno, I see the same problem on one (and only one) of my three supposedly identicalish lucid systems
[19:25] <akk> Hi -- I'm getting error messages in lucid from /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, missing files in /var/lib/acpi-support.
[19:26] <akk> In karmic those files were part of the acpi-support package, but they aren't in lucid any more
[19:26] <akk> but I can't figure out what script is calling them -- grepping in /etc/acpi isn't finding anything.
[19:26] <akk> Files like /var/lib/acpi-support/system-manufacturer
[19:29] <wolter> I hope today's update fixes some of my disturbances
[19:30] <bcurtiswx> what package is for the login screen?
[19:30] <bcurtiswx> gdm?
[19:31] <akk> gdm, yes
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> also my the purple plymouth(i think) screen is low res.. how do I fix that?
[19:32] <bcurtiswx> the one with the colored dots underneath
[19:33] <wolter> bcurtiswx, you have an nvidia card?
[19:33] <bcurtiswx> wolter: yes
[19:33] <wolter> It is supposed to be like that
[19:33] <wolter> because nvidia propietary drivers do not support KMS
[19:33] <charlie-tca> bcurtiswx: http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[19:33] <wolter> So thats the workaround ubuntu devs thought of
[19:35] <robin0800> bcurtiswx: Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> wolter: robin0800: charlie-tca: read up.  figures my laptop is ATI and works fine... got scacred when I came to my desktop with NVidia..  Thanks :D
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> s/scacred/scared
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I got one desktop that works and that don't here, both with nvidia
[19:37] <Asa> I have a laptop where the touchpad worked in Karmic but it doesn't work at all in Lucid. I'd like to file a bug, but I'm having trouble figuring out which package I should file it against in launchpad. Does anyone here know where this should go?
[19:38] <penguin42> Asa: I've seen lots of people say that in the last few days
[19:39] <ninjai_> Anyone have a problem with their brightness keys?
[19:39] <bcurtiswx> Asa:  not to be sounding like a jerk, but did you check the settings to make sure you have your touchpad enabled.. and also aren't using a laptop that has a button that turns the touchpad on or off
[19:39] <penguin42> ninjai_: Yeh sounding like a lot of people have had that as well
[19:40] <arand> Asa: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics might be likely, but if what penguin42 say is true therer will likely be a relevant bug already reported...
[19:41] <ninjai_> what does that do? is that a package to install or a file to edit?
[19:41] <Asa> bcurtiswx: thats a reasonable question. I do have a button that toggles the touchpad, it toggled successfully in Karmic. In Lucid I get a notification at the top of my screen that tells me when I enable and disable it, but even if its enabled, it doesn't work. I've also booted into windows and verified that the touchpad does still work. If I boot the Beta1 CD I get a notification when I toggle the touchpad, but it doesn't make any difference
[19:42] <penguin42> Asa: I'd report it - someone who knows that package will merge it with whatever the main one is if they know it
[19:43] <Asa> thank you :)
[19:44] <robin0800> Asa: install pointing device from the ubuntu software centre
[19:47] <Asa> robin0800: installing Pointing Device seems to have fixed it
[19:48] <Asa> I'm still filing a bug though because this should work by default
[19:50] <robin0800> Asa: I think if a touch pad is detected the Pointing Device should be installed by default
[19:53] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:54] <BUGa_vacations> "Ubuntu 10.10, which is scheduled to arrive in October, will be codenamed Moribund Moth Maverick Meerkat."
[19:54] <BUGa_vacations> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/ubuntu-1010-to-be-codenamed-maverick-meerkat.ars
[19:54]  * penguin42 assumes it should be simples to use
[19:55] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:55] <wolter> Anybody getting "Uknown Application" hanging on logout?
[19:57] <arand> BUGa_vacations: "Maverick" Is an interesting statement in my opinion...
[19:57] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> "The meerkat was chosen as the mascot for the new version because the creature embodies some of the key values that will influence the coming development cycle."
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> robertzaccour: witch NM version?
[19:58] <BUGa_vacations> PPA or archive?
[19:59] <robertzaccour> BUGa_vacations, i don't know. i know its a netgear router
[20:06] <ninjai_> its dead in this joint
[20:07] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: The meerkat is the subject of a particularly good TV advert in the UK at the moment; I think it has raised the Meerkats profile somewhat
[20:07] <akk> Having their own TV series raised meerkats' profile quite a lot already.
[20:08] <penguin42> akk: They pop up everywhere
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> ??
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> hey kklimonda
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> who is andchat treating you?
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> there's irissi now
[20:08] <koltroll> aah. I "fixed" the problem I had just by starting to type in the question!
[20:08] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda|G1: ^^^^
[20:09] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: there is? is it any good?
[20:09] <Technoviking> Anyone having the problem of cups not loading at boot?
[20:09] <BUGa_vacations> its the BOMB
[20:09] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: market?
[20:09] <penguin42> Technoviking: I did have a while ago, but it seems OK now
[20:09] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda no
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> cyanogen site
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> its binary and all linked
[20:10] <zzz_> 2am here in Laos, minutes ago I checked launchpad.net/builders and saw the build status queue empty, so I ran the sudo ...update&&...safe-upgrade command, and received a *** glibc detected ***, followed by numerous lines ending with Aborted (core dumped). Should I do something or wait and try again later?
[20:10] <kklimonda|G1> thanks, will download in a moment
[20:10] <BUGa_vacations> let me get it fro you
[20:11] <Technoviking> penguin42: I have to run sudo /etc/init.d/cups start after I boot to print now
[20:11] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda http://n0rp.chemlab.org/android/apps/irssi
[20:11] <robertzaccour> my wireless stopped working. i tried to connect to it from the list again, and it wouldn't connect. then i restarted, didn't work. updated, didn't work. i checked the hardware drivers from the systems menu, it says its active, but its not in the list in the upper right. then i tried removing and reactivating, that didn't work. any ideas?
[20:11] <BUGa_vacations> kklimonda and run "export TERM=linux " before
[20:12] <penguin42> Technoviking: Try doing update-rc.d cups defaults
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: can't download it :/
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> BUGa_vacations: is it a normal irssi?
[20:13] <BUGa_vacations> no idea
[20:13] <BUGa_vacations> ask in CM #
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> i could just ssh to my server then
[20:13] <kklimonda|G1> lets see how it works
[20:14] <Michalxo> hello all! Just installed lucid on dekstop machine and was unable to login
[20:14] <penguin42> Michalxo: What happens?
[20:14] <bsmith093> are the gnome pacakges stabe yet?
[20:14] <Michalxo> I pressume the problem was in CAPS LOCK NOT notifying when I added new user /admin/ during isntallation
[20:14] <penguin42> bsmith093: Seem to be
[20:14] <Michalxo> penguin42 I am reinstalling it again
[20:15] <bsmith093> i meant are they still being updted or can i install them now
[20:15] <Michalxo> *not again.. just reinstalling, because that click-guide-tour-installator does not give any exclamation mark of pressed caps lock.. heh :-( penguin42 :-) Should I fill it as a bug?
[20:15] <penguin42> bsmith093: They seem OK now
[20:15] <brontosaurusrex> where to enable gnome compositing?
[20:15] <bsmith093> ok then
[20:16] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex gconf-editor -> search for metacity composite
[20:16] <penguin42> Michalxo: Well, if it's caused you to have to reinstall or done a similar problem like that then yes it's a bug, even if it's only a wishlist that it should tell you something
[20:16] <bsmith093> btw can you reccommend a good irc client for windows i found this on google on my windows box webchat.freenode.net
[20:16] <Michalxo> penguin42 so should I report it as a bug then? :-)
[20:17] <penguin42> Michalxo: Yes
[20:17] <Michalxo> good.. maybe it's there already
[20:17] <Michalxo> penguin42 ubiquity is tool for windows?
[20:18] <penguin42> Michalxo: I don't know the Window sstuff
[20:18] <Michalxo> or "global" installer
[20:18] <kklimonda> BUGa_vacations: hey, weechat on my server over ssh works great :)
[20:19] <brontosaurusrex> Michalxo: hmm, cant find
[20:19] <alex_mayorga> what's the "right"way to rip a CD into .mp3 files using lucid?
[20:20] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex it's the path IN gconf-editor
[20:21] <nick125> alex_mayorga: You could use rhythmbox, sound juicer, etc.
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> nick125: tried those but none would let me select mp3 as output
[20:21] <Draglor> alex88: there are apps for this (grip) ... or in kubuntu you can just access the disk in doplhin and copy the mp3 files to your disk (will be encoded on the fly, I don't know if there's support for this in gnome)
[20:21] <Michalxo> brontosaurusrex /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager should be here
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> guess I'm missign a codec or something like that
[20:21] <Draglor> try installing lame before, alex_mayorga
[20:21] <nick125> alex_mayorga: You might need to install additional packages to support mp3 encoding...mainly, lame.
[20:21] <alex_mayorga> !find lame
[20:22] <Draglor> alex_mayorga: "Lame is the mp3 encoder
[20:22] <G-Farkas> Hi guys, where I can find the line for sources.list for lucid ? :)
[20:22] <Draglor> alex_mayorga: it's in restricted or medibuntu
[20:22] <Michalxo> G-Farkas just rename all karmic to lucid in sources.list ;-)
[20:22] <arand> G-Farkas: But that is NOT the way to upgrade to lucid
[20:22] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, Ill just copy and rename, I need mix them :S
[20:23] <Draglor> lame is in multiverse
[20:23] <Michalxo> G-Farkas don't mix, rather upgrade or stay
[20:23] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, how stable is lucid now?
[20:23] <Michalxo> I am on it.. upgraded from 9.10
[20:23] <Michalxo> and just intalling on deksopt for mum :-)
[20:24] <alex_mayorga> thanks all "sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-lame" did the trick
[20:24] <G-Farkas> Michalxo,  you are lying!! mothers allways wants windows
[20:24] <Draglor> G-Farkas: "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/karmic/lucid/g >> /etc/sources.lucid" would create a new sources.lucid with all sources rewritten from karmic to lucid
[20:25] <G-Farkas> Draglor, Thanks you
[20:25] <brontosaurusrex> Michalxo: thanks, found it
[20:25] <Draglor> so you don't mess up with your original list (you could place it into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/)
[20:25] <BluesKaj> G-Farkas, or ... alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:25] <Draglor> if you do so, rename it to something ending on .list (e.g. lucid.list) or it would not be used
[20:25] <G-Farkas> Draglor, or ¿whoever¿ , Is already usable lucid? or it have tons of bugs?
[20:26] <nick125> Lucid is fairly stable at the moment.
[20:26] <Michalxo> G-Farkas haah! Mine is innovative.. but uses XP too :-(
[20:26] <Draglor> I'm using it since alpha1 and never had any probs, but it's a beta, there may be some bugs out there
[20:26] <Michalxo> G-Farkas upgrade ;-)
[20:26] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, you only have to say her that "is win xp" what you install for her. She wont noticed the diference
[20:27] <G-Farkas> thanks nick125
[20:27] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, how do i do to updrade?
[20:27] <nick125> G-Farkas: update-manager -d
[20:28] <G-Farkas> nick125, after or before change the repos?
[20:28] <Michalxo> after
[20:28] <nick125> G-Farkas: That command will take care of the repo changes
[20:28] <Michalxo> no.. not needed
[20:29] <G-Farkas> nick125 I'll do :)
[20:29] <Michalxo> G-Farkas just run that 1 command nick125 gave you and you're OK ;-) no need to worry about anything else... just read "instructions" when some pop-up during installation
[20:29] <G-Farkas> but later, my conection is slow and I have to try yofrankie first :S
[20:29] <alex_mayorga> if the Disc>Extract option on Sound Juicer is grayed out is that a bug?
[20:30] <G-Farkas> Is there gnome 2.30 in lucid right? I can't use gnome 2.28, Its too old, I dont like to live in past
[20:31] <nick125> G-Farkas: 2.30 is being uploaded, as per topic. It might be finished....not sure.
[20:31] <arand> G-Farkas: See topic ;)
[20:31] <Michalxo> G-Farkas http://linuxologist.com/linuxhowto/howto-make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-xp/ :-)
[20:33] <G-Farkas> interesting
[20:34] <G-Farkas> I ll must do the upgrade because i wont uninstall important packages beacuse yofrankie
[20:37] <G-Farkas> I just put the upgrade command
[20:37] <G-Farkas> I feel so insecure
[20:38] <G-Farkas> Ubuntu should provide its users psycological help, ubuntu have to take care of its users
[20:40] <ninjai_> lol psychological help?
[20:40] <G-Farkas> of course, Who didnt get afraid when upgrade the system
[20:40] <G-Farkas> ?
[20:40] <Berzerker-> I wasn't
[20:41] <ninjai_> i always do a fresh install :P lol
[20:41] <Berzerker-> because I had done it once already
[20:41] <Berzerker-> upgraded UNR Karmic to UNE Lucid no prob
[20:41] <ninjai_> upgrading breaks a lot of times
[20:41] <nick125> You don't get afraid when you have backups
[20:41] <G-Farkas> I never do backups ;)
[20:41] <G-Farkas> mmm
[20:41] <G-Farkas> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[20:42] <G-Farkas> El paquete «update-manager-kde» está marcado para desinstalarse pero está en la lista negra de desinstalación.
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  This can be caused by:
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[20:42] <G-Farkas> sorry
[20:42] <G-Farkas> I thougth they will be in the same line
[20:43] <G-Farkas> the non english line says:   "the package update-manager-kde is marked for uninstallation but is in the blacklist of uninstallation. (or something like this)
[20:43] <G-Farkas> what should i do?
[20:43] <Michalxo> do you use kde?
[20:43] <G-Farkas> no
[20:43] <G-Farkas> but i installed kubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <Michalxo> remove it then :-)
[20:44] <penguin42> G-Farkas: Then uninstall kubuntu-desktop and update-manager-kde and try again
[20:44] <G-Farkas> what about the other repositories packages?
[20:45] <Ascavasaion> Each time I do an update including a new Kernel Ubuntu is adding a new kernel boot option to my Grub menu.  Is there  away to get it to delete some of the old ones?
[20:45] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: System->Administration->Computer janitor
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Ascavasaion, use your package manager to delete older kernels , linux-image
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> thank you penguin42 and Blue-Omega
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> oops
[20:46] <Michalxo> dpkg -l | grep linux
[20:46] <Ascavasaion> thank you penguin42 and BluesKaj
[20:46] <Michalxo> :-)
[20:47] <brontosaurusrex> is white line around the desktop image normal? if yes, then how to get rid of that?
[20:48] <brontosaurusrex> and q2: does anybody ever had that feeling that making gnome panels to behave is similar to wrestling? or is it just me?
[20:49] <Damascene> does empathy hung for you when reciving a gtalk call?
[20:50] <ninjai_> gtalk call? never used that
[20:50] <virtuald> is the new light or the new dark theme the default?
[20:51] <G-Farkas> what a good question
[20:53] <arand> brontosaurusrex: In a good state: "gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel panel_backup.xml" the restore using: "gconftool-2 --load panel_backup.xml", or simply reset completely to defaults with "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel", possibly you need to reload/killall the gnome panel after those...
[20:55] <brontosaurusrex> arand: cool
[20:56] <brontosaurusrex> and q3: how would i change keyboard shortcur for alt+f2 to something else for that 'run app' thingy?
[20:56] <G-Farkas> How many MB did you all have to download for the upgrade?
[20:57] <AngryRoey> hi
[20:57] <arand> brontosaurusrex: keyboard shortcuts in preferences menu
[20:58] <AngryRoey> question about Broadcomm wi-fi drivers:  I have a Dell Inspiron 1564.  I have seen a few threads about it (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948475) but I do not understand which packages I need to install.  I tried bwcml-kernel-source, but I don't see that the laptop recognizes the wireless card.    Can anyone help me?  I'm using Kubuntu 10.04.
[20:58] <arand> G-Farkas: In the order of GB
[20:58] <brontosaurusrex> this newwave theme is really cool
[20:59] <G-Farkas> mmm, too much, I'll uninstall a lot of packages that i dont need before proce
[20:59] <G-Farkas> d
[21:01] <hiasl> hey! are the screenshots on http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Lucid_Lynx/Bildschirmfotos  are not correct? i just updated and everything is so dark out there
[21:02] <Volkodav> how come xfs is greyed out in gparted ?
[21:03] <Volkodav> along with mant others good fs's
[21:03] <Volkodav> many*
[21:03] <tsuru> I'd like to try out netbook-launcher-efl but I can't find a way to enable it.  does anyone know how?
[21:04] <G-Farkas> How 9.10 and 10.04 overall system speed compare?
[21:04] <Michalxo> 10 is faster
[21:04] <Michalxo> 10.04 :-) of course... maybe clear install is the fastest ;-)
[21:04] <G-Farkas> Michalxo, Did you finish the installation?
[21:05] <Michalxo> yeah... pretty fast on my slow machine
[21:05] <G-Farkas> and in ram usage?
[21:06] <Michalxo> dunno
[21:07] <Volkodav> xfsprogs is not installed by default huh ?
[21:07] <Volkodav> why is that ?
[21:08] <arand> Volkodav: xfs not normally used?
[21:08] <G-Farkas> how it is that i cant get in #ubuntu+2 ?
[21:08] <arand> G-Farkas: Doesn't exist.
[21:09] <G-Farkas> try to get in
[21:09] <Volkodav> Arand not true
[21:09] <Volkodav> xfs is very good for certain purposes
[21:10] <G-Farkas> Volkodav, I agree, but it's true that there is not too much used for the ubuntu users
[21:10] <arand> G-Farkas: Hmm, maybe it's simply reserved by ubuntu admins, I haven't heard of it, so I don't think it's actively used...
[21:10] <G-Farkas> I know exactly what ubuntu users use _P
[21:10] <G-Farkas> :P
[21:10] <fine_line> C -ca
[21:11] <G-Farkas> arand, Ill investigate, we are not speaking about a channel, we are speaking about freedom
[21:12] <arand> Volkodav: Good or not, the people who use it will likely know enough to install it, they are not the "works out of the box" target for ubuntu...
[21:15] <G-Farkas> unbelieable :P
[21:16] <penguin42> G-Farkas: I find boot/shutdown on Lucid is excellent
[21:19] <G-Farkas> penguin42, excellent mean mmm fast? secure?
[21:19] <G-Farkas> It's my first time installing a beta
[21:19] <tetsuo__> hello, i seem to be unable to write to my SD card, it says the disc is full but it has plenty of space
[21:20] <penguin42> G-Farkas: Very fast
[21:20] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Make sure the trash is empty
[21:20] <Volkodav> why is ntfs-3g so cpu intense ?
[21:22] <tsuru> has anyone gotten netbook-launcher-efl running?
[21:23] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  it refuses to delete/
[21:23] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  but even with the trashcontent added there is still mor ethen enough space
[21:25] <arand> G-Farkas: "#ubuntu+2 #ubuntu+1 Forwarding to another channel" There's the reason.
[21:28] <Ian_Corne> <3 recovery mode
[21:28] <G-Farkas> arand,  mmm, so it's ok, now im feeling free again
[21:30] <arand> G-Farkas: If you leave #ubuntu+1 and try to join it it works as it should, if you are in #ubuntu+1 and try to get into it the redirect fails, but with that very pussling invite error.
[21:31] <G-Farkas> thank for investigate arand
[21:31] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Go have a look in a shell with an ls -a
[21:32] <tetsuo__> so i went to media/123453 and did that
[21:32] <tetsuo__> it lists the files
[21:33] <penguin42> so delete the files you don't want with rm ?
[21:34] <tetsuo__> i dont need the free space though
[21:34] <penguin42> oh you just want to write to it - hmm; can you create a file from the command line ?
[21:34] <arand> G-Farkas: Actually, #ubuntu-irc pointed it out (and I did test it as well).
[21:35] <penguin42> tetsuo__: also what does df -h . tell you about the directory
[21:35] <tetsuo__> the files i deleted are not visable in ls -a
[21:35] <Ian_Corne> hmmm
[21:35] <Ian_Corne> my input is totaly broken atm
[21:36] <tetsuo__> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/DSMa3LXz
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> anyone else?
[21:36] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Tell me exactly what you mean
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> well, I updated to the latest
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> with dist-upgrade
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> nothing was going to be removed, just new kernel installed
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> while updating my disks died
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> or became invisible
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> i fixed that
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> and dpkg --configure -a
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> xserver-xorg-input-synaptic gave an error
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> reinstalled that
[21:37] <Volkodav> arand - so ntfs-3g is in the box but the native linux oners are not ?
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> and now on the -19 (haven't tried 18) I have no mouse or keyboard input
[21:37] <Volkodav> ones*
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> trying -18 now
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> keyboard does work in grub
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> and in -19 recovery mode
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> doesn't work in -18 either
[21:38] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Do you run xorg-edgers?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> no
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> just normal repo stuff
[21:39] <camelot> hi little help please when i connect to internet something use 30% of my cpu when i disconnect then cpu is used in about 2% does anyone know why and how to sort it out?
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> I might have to reinstall alot of xorg stuff
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> alot of things could have gone broken during the crash
[21:39] <arand> Volkodav: Yes, due to the target of ubuntu, I would assume. And windows convertees will likely be less likely to know that ntfsprogs needs installing than users of XFS...
[21:40] <tetsuo__> penguin42:  did that pastebin help?
[21:40] <Volkodav> heh
[21:41] <Volkodav> is it on a live CD at least ?
[21:41] <penguin42> tetsuo__: Sure looks like a full 470M disk to me
[21:41] <tetsuo__> it says used 0% available 100%
[21:41] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: OK, so my input broke totally this morning but that turned out to be an ancient xorg-edgers pacakge I had
[21:41] <tetsuo__> which is not true
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> I've got version 1:7.5+3 installed of xorg
[21:42] <tetsuo__> how can i check the filesystem used/
[21:42] <Draglor> "du -sh" tetsuo__
[21:42] <Draglor> df -sh
[21:42] <Draglor> sorry
[21:43] <Draglor> "df -h" .. not it's correct
[21:43] <Draglor> now
[21:43] <Volkodav> df -hT
[21:43] <tetsuo__> VFAT
[21:43] <Volkodav> it works only for mounted systems though
[21:44] <tetsuo__> makes sense
[21:44] <penguin42> Draglor: it's du -sh to find usage
[21:44] <Draglor> mount the disk and type "df -hT" again
[21:44] <tetsuo__> actually
[21:44] <Draglor> penguin42: I know, I corrected myself some time before
[21:44] <tetsuo__> the values look more accurate with df -hT
[21:45] <Volkodav> givers you type
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: xserver-xorg-core conflicts: xserver-xorg-input-4
[21:45] <Ian_Corne> which one do you have installed?
[21:46] <camelot> hi little help please when i connect to internet something use 30% of my cpu when i disconnect then cpu is used in about 2% does anyone know why and how to sort it out?
[21:46] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'm running xorg-edgers on here so it might not match  [ but I have -core
[21:46] <Volkodav> that something may be flash evil
[21:47] <Volkodav> camelot run top and see what happens
[21:47] <arand> Volkodav: Yea, it's installed on the liveCD.. presumably they are installed if you mount an xfs for the install...
[21:48] <Volkodav> and on install things dissapear
[21:48] <Volkodav> along with gparted
[21:48] <kjele> crimsun do you know if we need to load module-console-kit with pulseaudio?
[21:48] <tetsuo__> ok guys
[21:48] <Ian_Corne> running dpkg-reconfigure -a
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> maybe that will fix issues
[21:49] <brontosaurusrex> what are some known preinstalled fatsos, besides openoffice?
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> cause I'm not about to reinstall every xorg package manually :p
[21:49] <tetsuo__> this command: df -hT told me the truth, so i delete some files and all works now
[21:49] <tetsuo__> but the output with the other command and with nautilus remains incorrect
 from shell top gnome-system-monitor 15% xorg 10% udisks 10% gvfs 8%  dbus 6% at the moment and when i disconect internet everything is going to 0%
[21:50] <tetsuo__> and suddenly they all work
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> bah, it's not fixe
[21:50] <Volkodav> Abiword with all pligins comes in with a lot of functionality and decent footprint
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> d
[21:50] <tetsuo__> so there is some kind of bug reading full sd cards
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> any other ideas penguin42 ?
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> except reinstalling the system :p
[21:51] <amx109> i dont have any 'input' hardware available in sound preferences
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> i've noticed dkms would be removed by aptitude full-upgrade too
[21:51] <amx109> they seem to have dissapeared on the upgrade to luciod
[21:51] <amx109> lucid*
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> so the thing that required that is gone?
[21:51] <Volkodav> camelot - does stay at 30 or keep creeping up ?
[21:51] <brontosaurusrex> Volkodav: i mean preinstalled fat software, i dont need any office
[21:51] <amx109> i cant find any bugs/forum info on this. can anyone help me figure out how i fix it?
[21:52] <Volkodav> fat software ?
[21:52] <brontosaurusrex> Volkodav: software like openoffice, thats sits there and takes 300megs of disk space
 going to 30% sometimes more then going to 10% and again 30% between 10 and 40% in total it must be something to do with network i mean network manager or something the same problem had with udev in karmic but sorted it out by downgrading it
[21:53] <camelot> dont know how to sort it out in lucid
[21:53] <Volkodav> oh the monsters you mean
[21:53] <kjele> Does anyone knows what the pulseaduio module module-console-kit really does?
[21:53] <Volkodav> gimp is pretty heavy
[21:53] <Volkodav> camelot - hoe adequate is cpu/ram ?
[21:53] <Volkodav> how*
[21:54] <Volkodav> specs wise
[21:55] <brontosaurusrex> gimp seems not to be in lucid anyway, but found fspot and evolution
[21:55] <Volkodav> evoltions is a big one
 ram by programs 8% in cache 13%
[21:56] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: you can install gimp in lucid
[21:56] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: i'am trying to unistall as much as possible
[21:57] <roey_> hi
[21:57] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: So can you log in remotely to it?
[21:57] <Volkodav> camelot  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:57] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: That does not really make sense. You just want to run the kernel? :)
[21:57] <roey_> I have a Broadcom 4312 wifi card; I have the wl driver loaded, but iwscan doesn't find anything.  What gives?
[21:57] <Volkodav> model name ?
[21:57] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: huh? no, trying to make a cute/lil ubuntu to go (virtual appliance)
[21:57] <Volkodav> camelot  and also free -m
[21:58]  * Volkodav notices some serious lag on older machines
[21:58] <brontosaurusrex> kjele: i can allways reinstall stuff like openoffice if there is a need anyway
 u want me to paste it in pastebin? i got quad core q9000 2ghz 4gb ddr2 ati hd4850 graphic sound intel+ati hdmi hd 500gb
[22:00] <kjele> brontosaurusrex: Ok. But for some people bandwidth cost a lot so have everything on the hdd is better
[22:01] <Volkodav> camelot  no
[22:01] <Draglor> maybe you should just install ubuntu-minimal and then install needed apps .. this would give you an small system using only the apps you need brontosaurusrex
[22:01] <Volkodav> you have a decent box
[22:01] <Volkodav> what browser do you use ?
 paid for it 3000$ so it should work with lucid right? maybe it doesnt becouse lucid is to old or something?
 firefox
[22:02] <brontosaurusrex> Draglor: just exporting the appliance, lets see how fat will that be
[22:02] <brontosaurusrex> brb
[22:02] <Volkodav> camelot - r u up to daTE ?
[22:02] <kjele> camelot: It is more like your comp is too new. The kernel needs to catch up with new hardware
[22:02] <deanus> Its still hit n miss as to wether my wireless (or the wl driver) is loaded on bootup and my wireless being available at all..Have to reboot for it to work.. any ideas?
[22:03] <G-Farkas> guys: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on mountall
[22:03] <G-Farkas> give me this when trying to uninstall some packages
 i think so no updates in synaptic for me yet:)
[22:03] <camelot> so what the solution for me?
[22:03] <camelot> go back to karmic?
[22:03] <Volkodav> 32 or 64 bit ?
[22:03] <camelot> 32
[22:03] <kjele> G-Farkas: What are you trying to uninstall?
[22:04] <Volkodav> I will defenitely run 64 bit on your box
[22:04] <G-Farkas> kjele, kde-base-runtime
[22:04] <G-Farkas> kjele,  kdebase-runtime
[22:04] <Volkodav> try opera camelot
[22:05] <G-Farkas> kjele, and a lot of packages that depends of it)
[22:05] <brontosaurusrex> 1.63 GB, yes i probably need to start with something smaller....
[22:05] <Volkodav> or chrome
[22:05] <Volkodav> or both
[22:05] <kjele> deanus: You can unload and reload the module if you tick on the network-manager applet and reenable network
[22:05] <Volkodav> and see what happens with those
[22:05] <PatrickGleason> im sure this has been asked dozens of times, but is there a list of things that are supposed to be new and exciting and or awesome coming in 10.4?
[22:05] <Volkodav> 3 different engines
[22:06] <camelot> i dont think firefox use my cpu cos its off now and i use just irc im talking about that when i even dont open anything when just connect to internet without open any web etc the cpu is going up
[22:06] <Volkodav> you need to catch in top what process is it
[22:07] <camelot> how?
[22:07] <deanus> kjele, enable wireless is ghosted out when its not loaded/detected .. so I cant do anything
[22:07] <amx109> jamm. fixed it - misconfig'd hardware tab in sound preferences
 from top i see few processes when i disconect from internet all of them stop too
[22:07] <kjele> deanus: Enable networking
[22:08] <deanus> kjele, it does it on my netbook which is broadcom STA also..
[22:08] <deanus> kjele, ah.. i`ll try next time
[22:08] <Volkodav> do terminal full screen and watch
[22:08] <Volkodav> all most intense processes will be on top of the list
[22:09] <camelot> now is udisks then it changes to xorg then gnome system monitor etc
[22:09] <Volkodav> it maybe some plugin
[22:09] <camelot> yup
[22:09] <camelot> i had the same issue with udev in karmic
[22:09] <camelot> cant find the solution for lucid
[22:10] <kjele> G-Farkas: Are you sure it is kdebase-runtime package? Mountall is related to boot nothing to do with that package
[22:10] <Volkodav> I would reinstall to 64 bit
[22:10] <Volkodav> and give it some time
[22:10] <kjele> G-Farkas: And I just uninstall mine and does not get any problems
 year more?
[22:10] <Volkodav> why?
[22:11] <Volkodav> I mean till relese
[22:11] <Volkodav> release
[22:11] <Volkodav> a month
[22:11] <Volkodav> it may just go away - still in beta
[22:11] <Volkodav> they keep ironing it
 whats the latest kernel for lucid?
[22:11] <Volkodav> I am in 19
[22:12] <kjele> Linux liz 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 1 10:39:41 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <G-Farkas> kjele, that is what synaptc said
[22:12] <camelot> Linux camelot 2.6.32-16-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 9 16:33:52 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:12] <Volkodav> SEE
[22:12] <Volkodav>  and you said you are upto date
[22:12] <camelot> but there is no updates in synaptic
[22:13] <Volkodav> I do not trust them
[22:13] <Volkodav> I do old way
[22:13] <camelot> ok:)
[22:13] <kjele> G-Farkas: Try to remove that package with apt-get and post the msg with pastebin
[22:13] <Volkodav> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:14] <G-Farkas> kjele, ILL DO
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:15] <Volkodav> strange
[22:15] <kjele> camelot: try change mirror
[22:15] <camelot> k
[22:15] <camelot> sec
[22:15] <Volkodav> what mirror are you on anyway ?
[22:16] <Volkodav> may need to be looked at ...
[22:16] <Volkodav> camelot - your box screams for 64 bit system too
[22:16] <camelot> mirror.sov.uk.goscomb.net/ubuntu
[22:17] <Volkodav> too many rains in UK I guess
[22:17] <Volkodav> :-D
[22:17] <camelot> not much really
[22:17] <kjele> Since you are in UK why not just use the main server?
[22:17] <kjele> More like too much snow
[22:17] <Volkodav> what is your connection by the way ?
[22:17] <camelot> trying to scan for best one synaptic selected that one not me
[22:18] <camelot> 10mb
[22:19] <Volkodav> I find Scandinavia be very good at mirrors
[22:19] <Volkodav> with their fiber all over
[22:19] <kjele> Volkodav: yea small contries
[22:19] <camelot> this time i got morror from nl and 450mb to updates to download
[22:20] <Volkodav> kjele - where are you ?
[22:21] <kjele> Norway
[22:21] <Volkodav> I had a friend from bergen
[22:21] <Volkodav> Bergen*
 i know kristiansand bergen oslo trondheim
[22:21] <kjele> I am using the university mirror from Bergen and it is faster than usit
 jeg ar norsk
[22:21] <camelot> thats everything i can say
[22:21] <Volkodav> hehe
[22:22] <kjele> That is more like Sweedish
[22:22] <kjele> should be er*
[22:22] <camelot> ar mean me right?
[22:22] <kjele> ar is the verb be
[22:22] <Volkodav> Sweden is 100/100 mgb for like 30-40 $
[22:22] <kjele> Well it is er
 what about u? are u svenska?
[22:23] <Volkodav> no
[22:23] <Volkodav> US
[22:23] <camelot> then russian?
[22:23] <Volkodav> that too
[22:24] <camelot> mozem pa russkij rozgoriwat?
[22:24] <camelot> or something
[22:24] <Volkodav> легко
[22:24] <camelot> :)
[22:37] <tetsuo__> hello again, now i have another problem
[22:37] <tetsuo__> i have inserted a DVD. but when i try to access a file it says i dont have reading rights
[22:37] <tetsuo__> its a WOW install disc
[22:41] <tetsuo__> : /dev/sr0       udf    7,8G  7,8G     0 100% /media/cdrom0
[22:50] <domjohnson> Ubuntu 10.04 > 9.10 :D
[22:51] <domjohnson> Both in numbers and awesomeness
[22:51] <penguin42> a happy customer then!
[22:51] <domjohnson> It's good to see that, after 9.10 being canonical's Vista, it's good to see that 10.04 doesn't look like it will be canonical's Win7.
[22:52] <domjohnson> penguin42 - yep :)
[22:52] <domjohnson> Any updates today?
[22:53] <domjohnson> Has anyone else got the bug with nvidia-96?
[22:54] <dooglus> in nautilus, I can see filename, size, date, etc.  but not "artist", "album", "genre", etc.  is there any way to add those columns?
[22:54] <domjohnson> I hope it gets fixed before the final...
[22:54] <domjohnson> dooglus - is it nautilus or PCMan?
[22:55] <domjohnson> Because the defauly file manager changed in 10.04
[22:55] <domjohnson> to PCMan
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: I don't know
[22:55] <domjohnson> Click on Help>About
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: I run nautilus, but don't really mind
[22:55] <domjohnson> ok
[22:55] <domjohnson> Just noticed that it...err...is nautilus
[22:55] <dooglus> domjohnson: what's the executable called to run pcman?
[22:55] <domjohnson> Not sure
[22:55] <dooglus> oh, right
[22:56] <domjohnson> Anyway, lesson from that mini episode - don't trust me to give you Ubuntu advice :P
[22:56] <dooglus> I tried konq, dolphin, nautilus, thunar - but didn't find the option to add columns in any of them
[22:56] <deanus> nautilus is enough for what I need.. anytihng else I use shell
[22:56] <dooglus> deanus: what if you want to sort your files by artist?
[22:57] <deanus> dooglus, I have a music player for that.
[22:57] <penguin42> dooglus: I'm not sure Nautilus can do that - I don't think it really knows about the contents of each file
[22:57] <dooglus> deanus: what if you want to tar up all the files by a certain artist?
[22:58] <deanus> dooglus,  what if I dont.
[22:58] <deanus> lol
[22:59] <deanus> dooglus, I`d run the apache mod_musicindex addon and do it that way lol
[22:59] <dooglus> deanus: hmm.  that's one approach.  limit yourself to just doing what the media player can do
[22:59] <dooglus> so you wouldn't use the file manager to manage your files - you're use a web server instead?
[22:59] <deanus> dooglus, well ive never wanted to do that personally,  so whatever works for you
[23:01] <penguin42> dooglus: If I wanted to do that I'd find one of the command line tools that would give me the info about a music file
[23:02] <deanus> dooglus, no, just saying thats what I could do when I used to have a music 'server' , before I got with the 21st century and got a new pc with large hd
[23:13] <DrHalan> i understand that evolution 2.30 isn't included into lucid by default. but is there a place to get the packages ?
[23:14] <lamalex> hey guys, suspend stopped working on my laptop and bug report seems to have gone unnoticed
[23:14] <Semitones> heyo dudes
[23:14] <lamalex> broken suspend on intel hardware seems like a pretty serious regressio
[23:15] <Semitones> Is it possible to install Ubuntu on an iMac's SD card?
[23:15] <penguin42> lamalex: Quite a few people seem to have had that in the last few days; thing is it's not necessarily Intel hardware generally, it might be a particular laptop vendor or subset
[23:17] <lamalex> penguin42: that doesn't really make the regression any less significant
[23:17] <penguin42> lamalex: Indeed, but probably a bit more isolated
[23:17] <lamalex> possibly, i've got a lenovo laptop, it's all pretty standard hardware
[23:21] <penguin42> lamalex: Thing is suspend stuff is not just particular hardware but also particular BIOS versions and things - it varies quite a bit
[23:21] <nowth> Hi. I just upgraded to 10.04. Does anyone know why vga=773 & similar don't work anymore in the TTYs (monitor: "out of range")? Using a Geforce 7950 GT, if it matters.
[23:22] <lamalex> penguin42: still worrying that my bug report has gone entirely unnoticed
[23:22] <penguin42> lamalex: If you look you'll find there are hundreds of don't suspend type bug reports
[23:23] <lamalex> and if they're all regressions then we have a serious issue
[23:23] <domjohnson> I just downloaded the vlc-plugin-jack ...plugin... and every time a track finishes, JACK kicks vlc.
[23:23] <domjohnson> is there a way to stop this?
[23:24] <brontosaurusrex> what would one download for lucid-minimal gnome based install?
[23:28] <crimsun> kjele: it's autoloaded, so "yes the package needs to load it, but no we don't need to load it manually"
[23:32] <DrHalan> anyone having evolution 2.30 debs?
[23:35] <kjele> crimsun: Ok I file a bug report regarding it #554184 . I have unloaded it and cannot see if it affect the system in any way
[23:37] <crimsun> kjele: yes, I'm about to close that bug as wontfix for lucid
[23:38] <crimsun> kjele: firstly, when you close the lid, your active seat disappears according to consolekit. PA honours that.
[23:38] <crimsun> kjele: secondly, shipping with m-c-k not loaded means that we lose per-user audio sessions.
[23:39] <kjele> crimsun: You sure? It runs as user now
[23:39] <crimsun> kjele: is your user in the audio group?
[23:40] <kjele> crimsun: uid=1000(kl) gid=1000(kl) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),115(admin),120(sambashare),1000(kl)
[23:40] <crimsun> kjele: well, of course it'll run *now*, because your user *is* the active seat when m-c-k registered
[23:41] <kjele> crimsun: Well I uncomment the auto load and rebooted
[23:41] <crimsun> kjele: that doesn't matter. See the verbose log for the active seat being granted permission.
[23:42] <sweet> anyone knows how to solve the passwd-bug in lucid?
[23:43] <KB1JWQ> sweet: What?
[23:45] <kjele> crimsun: is it under dmesg?
[23:45] <crimsun> kjele: no, a verbose PA log
[23:45] <sweet> KB1JWQ when I try to change the password with the passwd command i get 'passwd: System error passwd: password unchanged'
[23:46] <aprilhare> hello. was thinking of upgrading to lucid - why is it planning to delete gnometris?
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> sweet: passwd: password updated successfully
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Works here.
[23:47] <KB1JWQ> sweet: cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | pastebinit
[23:47] <sweet> KB1JWQ: my buddy has the same problem had it since kernel update 32-17
[23:47] <kjele> crimsun: ok gonna kill pulse audio and log it
[23:47] <aprilhare> same-gnome too? what is this!?
[23:48] <sweet> KB1JWQ: http://pastebin.com/m1ibTuuC
[23:49] <aprilhare> aaahhhh. have answer. http://www.mail-archive.com/lucid-changes@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00129.html seems silly to rename em like that.
[23:51] <kjele> crimsun: Should it say active seat?
[23:52] <KB1JWQ> sweet: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow libpam-runtime, be sure you disable Winbin NT/AD auth.
[23:52] <sweet> KB1JWQ: will give it a try
[23:53] <sweet> KB1JWQ: Thanks! It works now
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Yup. :-)
[23:54] <sweet> KB1JWQ: can I ask how come it didn't work
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> sweet: Bug in samba.
[23:54] <tosho> Hi together. Is there anyone here who can help me with an jbd2 issue?
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/546874 if you're interested.
[23:54] <sweet> KB1JWQ: let's have a look
[23:54] <KB1JWQ> tosho: Well I don't know.  What specific issue?
[23:55] <tosho> I cannot unmount any volume because jdb2 sits on every mounted partition resulting in a "device is busy"
[23:56] <penguin42> tosho: Don't worry about jdb2 it's just part of the kernel
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> penguin42: Well, if he can't unmount because of it... ;-)
[23:56] <penguin42> KB1JWQ: It's not what's stopping him unmount
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> penguin42: AH, k.
[23:56] <KB1JWQ> That'll teach me to assume. :-)
[23:57] <tosho> a lsof shows only jbd2 on that volume
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> tosho: lsof | grep YOURMOUNTPOINT
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> tosho: You sure?
[23:57] <KB1JWQ> That's odd.
[23:57] <tosho>  lsof | grep YOURMOUNTPOINT shows nothing !??!
[23:58] <tosho> lsof|grep sdb shows jbd2/sdb2
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> tosho: Yeah, don't do that.
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> grep the mountpoint.
[23:59] <penguin42> tosho: Try fuser -m /dev/sdb2   (if it's sdb2)
[23:59] <KB1JWQ> or fuser. :-)