[01:43] <matmatmat> hey
[01:43] <matmatmat> after upgrading to lucid my computer boots into console
[01:43] <matmatmat> what can i do to fix that?
[01:43] <matmatmat> should i install gdm?
[01:44] <superm1> how'd you install lucid?
[01:45] <matmatmat> edit the sources.list
[01:45] <matmatmat> changed everything to lucid
[01:46] <superm1> you should never upgrade like that
[01:46] <matmatmat> really?
[01:46] <superm1> update manager needs to be able to handle things that changed that couldn't be represented in packaging
[01:46] <matmatmat> why not.. and how instead
[01:47] <superm1> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[01:47] <Zinn> [www.ubuntu.com] Upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 | Ubuntu
[01:47] <superm1> that's the proper way to upgrade
[01:47] <superm1> now for going to lucid, it's still in development, so you just need to add a '-d' argument to show development releases
[01:47] <matmatmat> aside from the x thing it works surprisingly well tho ,)
[01:48] <superm1> you're lucky that it went "smoothly" :)
[01:48] <superm1> so now that you're broke, go and check if mythbuntu-desktop is still installed
[01:48] <superm1> if it's not, you should be able to install it, and it will get the system to life
[01:48] <matmatmat> should install from the scratch now?
[01:49] <matmatmat> ok, will go check
[01:49] <superm1> well it's up to you, you can try to recover from how the system is now.  if that works, spectacular.  if not, go grab the daily image for 10.04 and install from scratch
[01:49] <superm1> !daily
[01:49] <Zinn> zsync http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync  <+|+>   zsync http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[01:49] <superm1> either of those commands will get you the current daily image
[01:53] <matmatmat> well
[01:53] <matmatmat> now it IS broken
[01:54] <matmatmat> mythbuntu-desktop and gdm werent installed, got both, now it boots into a screwed x
[01:55] <superm1> nvidia-current might be missing if you used nvidia
[01:55] <matmatmat> its not that screwed
[01:55] <matmatmat> its more a screwed xfce
[01:55] <superm1> mythbuntu-default-settings missing?
[01:55] <matmatmat> im getting a sort of terminal window in the left upper corner
[01:56] <matmatmat> i think the screen res is ok
[01:56] <matmatmat> looks pretty high when i look at the small font
[01:56] <superm1> so is it logging into the failsafe-x terminal session maybe?
[01:56] <superm1> type exit, and see if it kicks you to a login scren
[01:56] <superm1> if so, there should be a selector at the bottom to pick different sessions
[01:57] <matmatmat> cant type anything in there
[01:57] <superm1> you have to bring the mouse over the terminal part maybe?
[01:57] <superm1> so it can focus
[01:58] <matmatmat> yeah
[01:58] <matmatmat> youre right
[01:58] <matmatmat> got gdm now
[01:59] <matmatmat> so err
[02:00] <matmatmat> can i do anything about that?
[02:02] <matmatmat> i cannot pick other sessions
[02:02] <matmatmat> it lets me only pick a user
[02:05] <matmatmat> any idea what to do now superm1?
[02:06] <matmatmat> and actually
[02:06] <matmatmat> i dont have a cd drive
[02:07] <dewman> diskless install! woohoo! =)
[02:07] <matmatmat> i would really like to avoid that second option
[02:07] <matmatmat> ya.. i know its possible
[02:08] <matmatmat> but that includes some work
[02:08] <dewman> its nix..... There is always work..... =)
[02:09] <superm1> matmatmat, ooh fun. umm.
[02:09] <superm1> if mythbuntu-desktop is installed at that point, and mythbuntu-default-settings, i dunno
[02:12] <dewman> matmatmat, here you got..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo
[02:12] <Zinn> [www.youtube.com] YouTube - Running rm -rf / on Linux
[02:12] <dewman> hehehe
[02:15] <matmatmat> i will add that to the list of things to do before i jump off a bridge
[02:16] <matmatmat> anyways, installing from the scratch does have other disadvantages
[02:17] <superm1> i've actually (accidentally) done that myself before
[02:17] <superm1> a shell script that was supposed to clean up something with $PREFIX/
[02:18] <superm1> well due to a bug in filling out the variables in the script, $PREFIX wasn't getting defined
[02:18] <superm1> and of course an undefined variable in shell equates to an empty string
[02:19] <dewman> I always wondered what would happen. Its nice to know that there are people out there willing to show the rest of the world..
[02:19] <matmatmat> i wonder if you can actually screenrecord that
[02:20] <dewman> I think it was being done in a vm
[02:20] <matmatmat> ya
[02:20] <matmatmat> prolly
[02:20] <dewman> there is no way...
[02:20] <dewman> some of the comments were pretty funny....
[02:24] <matmatmat> if i get a daily build, is a way to upgrade it to the next daily build without hassle?
[02:24] <matmatmat> like svn checkout
[02:24] <matmatmat> just for the binary
[02:27] <matmatmat> ok, there is apparently
[02:29] <superm1> matmatmat, zsync between images
[02:30] <superm1> or if it's installed, just use update-manager or apt-get to do it
[02:30] <superm1> it's only from lucid->lucid+1 etc that you can't just s/lucid/lucid+1/ sources.list
[02:31] <matmatmat> from karmic to lucid?
[02:31] <superm1> same thing
[02:31] <superm1> i'm just saying generically from major release to major release you need to use update manager
[02:31] <superm1> for binary isos, you can zsync
[02:31] <superm1> for upgrades within the release, use update manager or apt
[02:32] <matmatmat> zsync as in installing from scratch
[02:32] <matmatmat> or what?
[02:33] <superm1> zsync downloads ISOs in a binary diff type format
[02:33] <matmatmat> why would i need an iso to update
 if i get a daily build, is a way to upgrade it to the next daily build without hassle?
[02:33] <superm1> that's how you update to a new "daily" build
[02:33] <superm1> otherwise, it's just regular upgrades like you normally would in ubuntu
[02:33] <superm1> with apt-get etc
[02:34] <matmatmat> i'm just confused why a cd image (if i understand correctly) is used
[02:34] <matmatmat> or is binary iso something different
[02:35] <matmatmat> obviously yes
[02:35] <superm1> cd image == iso image. that's just how we distribute our installer
[02:35] <superm1> zsync is a tool to do binary diff's of images
[02:35] <superm1> so you only need to download what changed from one cd image to another
[02:35] <matmatmat> yeah, i got that
[02:36] <matmatmat> but if i have a daily build already
[02:36] <matmatmat> installed
[02:36] <matmatmat> i need a "new" (zsynced) .iso to update to the next build?
[02:37] <superm1> no
[02:37] <matmatmat> oh
[02:37] <matmatmat> so i can obtain the daily builds with apt-get?
[02:38] <superm1> yesish
[02:38] <matmatmat> oh hehe
[02:38] <superm1> i mean the new daily builds are just snapshots of the archive with all the debs preinstalled
[02:39] <matmatmat> well, lets assume i get the .iso of todays build
[02:40] <matmatmat> how exactly do i perform the update tomorrow to get the next daily build
[02:40] <tgm4883> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:40] <superm1> that or open up update-manager
[02:40] <tgm4883> well, maybe a dist-upgrade
[02:40] <tgm4883> or yea, do what superm1 says
[02:40] <matmatmat> yeah. ok
[02:41] <matmatmat> actually i'm not dumb. it just seems so.
[02:42] <matmatmat> and -- well, usually it wouldnt update to trunk versions i guess
[02:42] <matmatmat> but if i get the trunk version in the first place, then it does?
[02:42] <superm1> we ship 0.23, not trunk right now
[02:42] <superm1> if you want trunk, you need to enable autobuilds and pick trunk
[02:43] <matmatmat> yeah... thats what im talking about
[02:43] <superm1> i wouldn't recommend getting trunk though
[02:43] <superm1> it's constantly in flux, whereas 0.23 is stabilizing
[02:43] <matmatmat> i'm waiting for a ticket to be resolved that has been submitted 6h ago
[02:44] <matmatmat> yeah.. stabilizing, wise choice of words
[02:45] <matmatmat> so autobuilds was what i was lookin for all the time
[02:47] <superm1> yeah sounds like it :)
[02:48] <matmatmat> who can i bribe to look at that ticket errm
[02:49] <matmatmat> its just one line of code..
[02:53] <matmatmat> i guess if i get the sources and compile the modified version then everything will screwed next time i try to apt-get upgrade?
[02:53] <superm1> more than likely
[02:54] <matmatmat> gotta stick to bribing then
[04:59] <matmatmat> scratch
[05:00] <mrand> scratch is an awesome program
[05:19] <matmatmat> so is mythtv
[05:19] <matmatmat> works like a charme now
[05:20] <matmatmat> except for that one thing
[05:34] <mrand> matmatmat: was this it? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8269
[05:34] <Zinn> [svn.mythtv.org] #8269 (Aspect ratio changes not detected while watching H.264 SDTV) – MythTV
[05:36] <matmatmat> yeh hehe
[05:36] <matmatmat> i was about to bribe them but they told me it was solved to hours ago
[05:36] <matmatmat> shouldve checked more often
[05:37] <mrand> That should be in tomorrow's auto-builds.
[05:37] <mrand> (as in tomorrow evening)
[05:39] <superm1> was it fixed on 0.23 or trunk though?
[05:40] <matmatmat> 0.23 i think
[05:40] <mrand> yes
[05:40] <mrand> both
[05:40] <matmatmat> it was broken on both at least
[05:40] <matmatmat> /is
[05:41] <matmatmat> mhhh iptv ran reallllly smooth, now my machine is running a buttload of upgrades .. hope it wont break anything
[05:42] <matmatmat> i'm still fascinated by watching tv without a physical tuner
[05:42] <mrand> what iptv are you watching?  Using MNV?
[05:43] <matmatmat> mnwhat?
[05:43] <matmatmat> i'm using the freebox tuner thing in mythtv
[05:43] <matmatmat> its dvb-ip
[05:43] <matmatmat> by my isp
[05:44] <mrand> ah.
[05:44] <mrand> MythNetVision is what I was referring to.
[05:44] <matmatmat> oh.. nah
[05:44] <matmatmat> its real tv
[05:44] <matmatmat> even HD channels
[05:44] <matmatmat> at like 10mbit h264
[05:45] <mrand> but it probably isn't available to anyone outside your isp's network.
[05:45] <matmatmat> yeah
[05:46] <tgm4883> what ISP?
[05:46] <matmatmat> which still makes it 500 times more mobile than a sattelite dish
[05:46] <matmatmat> german alice-dsl
[05:48] <matmatmat> anyways, after argueing with my landlord over broken cable ill be getting sattelite tv in a month.. and of course iptv is no match to that. but its a good alternative to dvb-c here
[05:49] <matmatmat> and ill have an additional tuner
[05:51] <matmatmat> hm crap. dist upgrade is giving me hassle about the db
[05:52] <matmatmat> unknow mysql server host "localhost"
[05:53] <matmatmat> should i try 127.0.0.1?
[05:53] <mrand> I'm off to bed, but it shouldn't matter.  Make sure sql is running.
[10:02] <gbee> are the 0.22-fixes weekly builds still being updated?
[10:09] <Daviey> gbee: not at the moment
[10:11] <gbee> I backported a memory leak fix yesterday that would be worth having for those who choose to remain on 0.22 until the bugs have been worked out of 0.23
[10:20] <Daviey> gbee: oh cool, i'll try and push a manual 0.22-fixes today
[10:22] <gbee> thanks
[11:11] <jussi01> do you guys have a devel chan?
[11:12] <jussi01> ahh found it :)
[15:02] <superm1> gbee, hmm doing 22 fixes weekly builds might not be easily done
[15:02] <superm1> Daviey, if you figured out how to, then great :)
[15:03] <gbee> isn't that what you've been doing up to now?
[15:03] <superm1> well we have it set up to do two builds at most at a time
[15:04] <superm1> a "-fixes" and a "-trunk"
[15:04] <superm1> so when it comes time to open a new upstream fixes branch, it gets migrated over
[15:04] <gbee> and you've migrated to the future 0.23 branch already?
[15:05] <superm1> yeah
[15:06] <superm1> so 0.23-fixes builds and 0.24-trunk are happening right now
[15:11] <gbee> nuts
[15:15] <superm1> well all the old 0.22-fixes builds are still published from before
[15:16] <superm1> it's not like we delete them, just weren't going to update
[15:16] <superm1> Daviey and i can discuss how to allow these to always be built if there are fixes to old branches
[15:18] <gbee> yeah, just means that anyone wanting the backend mem leak fix need to upgrade to 0.23 before it's stabilised, which usually takes a few weeks
[15:18] <superm1> right
[15:50] <Daviey> superm1: I was just going to do it manually, pulling in most recent autobuild from the PPA, bumping the revision and pushing again
[15:50] <Daviey> (ie, not using the autobuild scripts)
[15:51] <Daviey> superm1: Can you see a problem there?
[15:53] <superm1> Daviey, well the -fixes packaging branch is significantly different
[15:53] <superm1> oh
[15:53] <superm1> i see what yo umean
[15:53] <superm1> yeah that's probably sufficient
[19:35] <superm1> OT: anyone want to play a quick game of wofie
[19:35] <superm1>  /j #wolfie
[19:42] <Daviey> gbee: 0.22-fixes should be up to date now
[19:42] <gbee> Daviey: much appreciated, thank you
[19:59] <bjd> yo, is there some issue where you can't modify playback profiles?
[19:59] <bjd> all the options seem greyed out and i can't select/change anything
[20:04] <bjd> ah, upgrading to latest build fixed it =)
[20:06] <Daviey> bjd: 0.22-fixes?
[20:28] <bjd> Daviey: yep
[20:30] <Daviey> ok, great - bjd, that build is hot off the press ! :)
[20:40] <bjd> :)
[20:42] <bjd> just really thinking aloud, but suppose you have a board with spdif headers, (labelled +5v, ground, spdif out) and i've got an nvidia card with hdmi out with has spdif in headers - in theory - should I be able to use the headers on teh board?
[20:43] <bjd> i can't figure if the headers are specific to asus or not
[20:55] <javatexan> want to hear a funny story?  this morning my ubuntu based mythtv box did not want to boot.  It currently boots off of sda5 and sda6 is the swap.  error message was that it couldnt find UUID=xxxxx...  I then let it reboot and i went into edit on grub menu...I changed root=uuid=xxxx to root=/dev/sda5 and it works.  Once logged in, I went to /dev/disks/by-uuid and sure enough there is a entry for sda6 but not sda5....Is there a way to m
[20:55] <javatexan> oh, its 9.10
[20:56] <javatexan> oh, when I run update-grub now, it changed all the root=uuid to root=/dev/sda5 ...... go figure eh?
[20:57] <javatexan> apparently all this happend last night when I shutdown the computer...it all worked fine yesterday/last night
[20:58] <javatexan> any ideas?
[20:58] <tgm4883> javatexan, thats odd
[20:58] <tgm4883> #wolfie
[20:58] <javatexan> i thought uuid was being used to help with removable drives and so forth, so i guess I should figure out how to get the UUID back for sda5
[20:58] <tgm4883> @learn wolfie - Come play #wolfie
[20:59] <tgm4883> !wolfie
[20:59] <Zinn> Come play #wolfie
[20:59] <tgm4883> javatexan, yea UUID is used in case the drives switch locations
[20:59] <superm1> tgm4883, we can start bribing users.  if they play two rounds of wolfie we help them
[20:59] <tgm4883> superm1, great idea
[21:00] <tgm4883> !wolfie
[21:00] <Zinn> Come play 2 rounds of #wolfie and get assistance with your issue
[21:01] <rhpot1991> if they win 2 rounds of wolfie :)
[21:01] <superm1> well that's not really fair, because we would just kill them over an over
[21:02] <superm1> so javatexan come play two rounds of wolfie and tgm4883 will help you
[21:02] <tgm4883> wait..what?
[21:03] <superm1> ;)
[21:03] <rhpot1991> ya I dunno whats up with that, UUID has been used for a while
[21:03] <javatexan> what is !wolfie?
[21:03] <rhpot1991> so long I can't remember the last time I saw something not use it
[21:03] <superm1> javatexan, /j #wolfie, you'll see
[21:04] <javatexan> sounds like a virus
[21:04] <javatexan> ;)
[21:04] <superm1> haha
[21:04] <superm1> ever played 'mafia'?  it's an IRC version of it
[21:04] <javatexan> ah
[21:04] <superm1> we need 2 more
[21:04] <javatexan> gotcha
[21:05] <javatexan> brb...I hope...its telling me to reboot...cross your eyes
[21:08] <Daviey> superm1: good effort :)