| Tonio_ | it's fixed hahaha ;) | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have the fix for QT | 00:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: may I upload to kubuntu experimental ? | 00:10 |
| Tonio_ | I've been tracking this for a year (maybe 2...) | 00:15 |
| Tm_T | what is QT ? | 00:33 |
| lex79 | Tm_T: Qt library, libqt4 | 01:22 |
| Tm_T | lex79: Qt != QT though (: | 01:23 |
| lex79 | :) | 01:23 |
| Tm_T | most of the time QT is QuickTime but I assumed that's not what toni meant | 01:23 |
| === robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek | ||
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: zomg, akonadi started without complaint | 02:08 |
| DarkwingDuck | Hmm, I'm having a dbus issue with akonadi again | 02:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | How do I register Akonadi with dbus at startup? | 02:40 |
| JontheEchidna | DarkwingDuck: Basically that means akonadi failed to start, with the fact that it failed to register with DBus being evidence to this failure | 02:57 |
| verbalshadow | OT which did you think is better to use with gmail DIMAP or IMAP | 03:01 |
| ScottK | Riddell, nixternal: Just accepted -workspace with the last KDE bits for Plymouth smooth transition (slangasek did the package). | 03:12 |
| JontheEchidna | verbalshadow: if you're using KMail, I'd go with pop3 :P | 03:15 |
| ScottK | At least on Karmic, dimap is working well for me (but not with gmail, don't use it) | 03:17 |
| ScottK | Definitely between imap and dimap, use dimap with kmail. | 03:17 |
| verbalshadow | JontheEchidna: any reason? | 03:17 |
| verbalshadow | ScottK: good to here | 03:17 |
| verbalshadow | hear | 03:18 |
| JontheEchidna | KMail's IMAP support has never been... robust... | 03:18 |
| ScottK | Well said. | 03:18 |
| JontheEchidna | pop3 support in kmail has probably been around for a decade, and since it's all synchronous it inheritly has less chance of causing crashes | 03:18 |
| JontheEchidna | but since imap is all a bunch of asynchronous calls to an imap server... | 03:19 |
| verbalshadow | will the refactor make it better? | 03:19 |
| JontheEchidna | hopefully | 03:19 |
| JontheEchidna | though I am starting to lose faith in upstream KDEPIM | 03:19 |
| verbalshadow | guess i should look at kmail's repo | 03:20 |
| verbalshadow | JontheEchidna: ?? | 03:20 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, there have been more decisions that I've not been too thrilled with. | 03:20 |
| JontheEchidna | KAddressBook 4.4 makes everybody look bad, and there's rumor that KMail+Akonadi won't be ready for 4.5, even though it's been merged in to trunk | 03:21 |
| verbalshadow | any place i should read up at? | 03:21 |
| verbalshadow | KAddressBook is useless for me i can't even merge contacts :( | 03:22 |
| nixternal | oi oi | 03:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | JontheEchidna: I guess the question would be how to fix it | 04:28 |
| JontheEchidna | Hrm, hard to tell without knowing exactly why it's not starting | 04:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | What you need? | 04:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | JontheEchidna: Here is the error log... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408421/ | 04:32 |
| JontheEchidna | DarkwingDuck: What happens if you run "akonadictl start" manually? | 04:33 |
| JontheEchidna | Oh, actually, look at test 15 | 04:34 |
| JontheEchidna | a nice crash there | 04:34 |
| JontheEchidna | Not sure how to fix that | 04:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408424/ | 04:37 |
| JontheEchidna | Yeah, same crash. Probably want to file a bug on that. (bugs.kde.org for best results) | 04:37 |
| DarkwingDuck | *grumbles | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, lex79: It was the worst combo of QA fail ever to be witnessed, spanning across 2 different programming languages!!!!! | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, lex79: last I checked it was usable though | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | "usable" being - had to install samba AND already knew how to use the horrible UI | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | IIRC it was a bit of the slower kind but sharing and unsharing worked | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: from what I have seen there 2 quite ugly akonadi startup bugs, I am not sure how to resolve ... one being that it cant register to dbus at times, second that it cant find any agents even though there are like a billion of them in akonadi's own error log | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | oh, also, if nepomuk is not on for whatever reason, akonadi also whines | 08:09 |
| apachelogger | not that I would know why it would do that, but oh well.... | 08:10 |
| * apachelogger went to bed at 23:00 | 08:10 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu: time | 08:11 |
| kubotu | apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Apr 03 09:13 CEST | 08:11 |
| apachelogger | yet I am way too tired | 08:11 |
| apachelogger | maybe I am getting old :( | 08:11 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: trying to catch up with me? | 08:30 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: on? where? how? :) | 08:32 |
| * apachelogger is all for catching up :D | 08:33 | |
| Mamarok | you said you were getting old :) | 08:33 |
| apachelogger | ah ^^ | 08:33 |
| * apachelogger hugs Mamarok | 08:33 | |
| * Mamarok rehugs apachelogger | 08:33 | |
| apachelogger | honey, you are not old, just not as young as JontheEchidna ^^ | 08:33 |
| apachelogger | then again, only quintasan is younger anyway | 08:34 |
| apachelogger | maybe all of kubuntu is getting old... | 08:34 |
| apachelogger | those things only become problems when no one cares for new minions :P | 08:35 |
| apachelogger | http://imagebin.ca/view/7TVuWGO.html | 08:54 |
| apachelogger | is that logo in the menu too small? | 08:54 |
| Mamarok | it's a bit small, but doesn't that depend on the screen resolution anyway? | 08:55 |
| * Mamarok has a really tiny panel by default on her screen | 08:56 | |
| apachelogger | http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html | 08:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: I submitted a bug for it. KDE bug:233132 | 08:56 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: I dont think so, because kickoff is thesame size on a small screen as on a large one | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42892603/launcher.png | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | what looks horrible in the reported issue is that clashing of name and logo | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | which IMHO is a general problem anyway | 08:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | only thing that sucks is it making kmail totally unusable | 08:57 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: kde bug 233132 | 08:58 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 233132 in general "Akonadi crashes during startup" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233132 | 08:58 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: IMHO the size in http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html is just perfect ^^ | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | not ultimate stylish whitespace surrounding the logo | 08:59 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: you should attach things to bug reports directly rather than using paste services and the like | 08:59 |
| apachelogger | every bug management software allows attaching of data these days | 08:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: roger | 08:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'll output it to a txt file and upload it. | 09:00 |
| apachelogger | hm | 09:00 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: you are on lucid? | 09:00 |
| apachelogger | all updated and stuff? | 09:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes, that's what started it | 09:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | I was running lucid on my desktop. updated to grab 4.4.2 and kaboom | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 09:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | ?? | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | that might be the other case that requires a fix | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | darn | 09:01 |
| apachelogger | forgot about that completely | 09:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | So it's your fault again? | 09:02 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: didnt nixternal tell you, it's always my fault :P | 09:02 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yup :P | 09:02 |
| apachelogger | that is a bit of a clumys issue though | 09:02 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: are you 100% positiv that my recent akonadi fix doesnt help? | 09:03 |
| apachelogger | i.e. did you restart since last update and all | 09:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yes, I'm check upgrade one last time, I'll reboot and see what it does for me. | 09:03 |
| apachelogger | k | 09:03 |
| DarkwingDuck | okay, everything updated. Give me a sec to reboot. | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | cause otherwise I need to touch the mysql package again, and I hate touching that package :P | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: are you on lucid? | 09:05 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: yep | 09:05 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: wanna test this size real quick? ;) | 09:06 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: not right now, compiling VLC 1.1, that takes time :) | 09:06 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: Yup, same issue | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | meh | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: well, if you get to it | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | sudo -- wget -O /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/branding.svgz | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | then just restart plasma | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: well, then, please install mysql-server-5.1 | 09:08 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: thanks, I will try it | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: then run mysql_upgrade --socket=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | then restart akonadi | 09:09 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: as root? | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | no | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | the user you run akonadi with | 09:09 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408513/ | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: is akonadi running? | 09:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | shouldn't be... hang on | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | Database process exited unexpectedly during initial connection! | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | waaaaah | 09:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) | 09:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | darkwingduck@StCanard:~/projects/Kubuntu/Lucid$ akonadictl stop | 09:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | Unable to connect to dbus interface of control service | 09:13 |
| apachelogger | well | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | since the socket does not seem to be present the mysql server is not starting either | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | and that should be largely unrelated from dbus or the other crap | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: please tar up .config/akonadi and .local/share/akonadi and send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | either your configs are somehow fckd up or your system is :P | 09:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | :P | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | ohhh | 09:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | okay... | 09:15 |
| * DarkwingDuck has to get creative in sending an email, hang on | 09:15 | |
| apachelogger | 100402 20:47:57 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | I have seen that error before | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: you sure have some webmail service you can use? ;) | 09:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah, I setup a google accound when I get my droid. | 09:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | I just have to remember the password..... | 09:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: sent | 09:20 |
| * apachelogger starts breaking his akonadi ^^ | 09:21 | |
| DarkwingDuck | YOu trying to duplicate it? | 09:23 |
| * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow | 09:23 | |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: I think your tables are broken | 09:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, is there an easy way to fix/reset that? | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: removing the dirs you just sent me will reset all akonadi stuff | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | dunno how to fix the database alone though | 09:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, I'll try that. | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | maybe mysql_install_db helps | 09:26 |
| apachelogger | or you wait for me to try it ^^ | 09:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 09:34 |
| * apachelogger restores backup and breaks all oer again | 09:35 | |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: that bad? | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | it is mysql | 09:45 |
| apachelogger | it was meant to be crap | 09:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | Ahh, okay. | 09:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | So, that means there is no easy fix. | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | nope | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | dont see how | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | from what I have read that issue mostly relates to a mismatch between mysql's config and the actual data | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | note: mysql will fail if a freaking logsize does not match the size in the config!!!!! | 09:47 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, so, aside form cleaning my system is there way to clean mysql and reset that? | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | A LOG FILE! | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | digg that | 09:47 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: it shouldnt happen again | 09:47 |
| DarkwingDuck | Right. | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | maybe something made mysql go down while it was trying to create the tables | 09:47 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, I still have a farked up system | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | how so? | 09:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | Akonadi wont start | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | just wipe those two dirs you sent me | 09:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahh, okay | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | then start it manually and everything should be fine | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | well | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | aside form an acotional flux where akonadi cant register to dbus | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | erm ... occasional flux | 09:49 |
| * apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook, python and mysql make his brain rot away | 09:49 | |
| DarkwingDuck | why do we still use mysql? | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | whatelese would we use? | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | ...mostly because mysql is the only thing really supported by akonadi upstream... | 09:51 |
| apachelogger | not that they are much help ... akonadi trunk looks more like a completely new codebase :P | 09:51 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahhh, I know there are a couple of other FOSS SQL servers out there that are worth something | 09:51 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: thanks. | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: I really dont know why they did not go with postgresql to begin with -.- | 09:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: and darn you... thanks to you helping me I have 2700 emails to sort. | 09:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | THATS that one | 09:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | I wonder how hard it would be to change... | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | though last I talked with one of the responsible dudes he said that they are pondering switching to sqlite | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | (i.e. an embedded database) | 09:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | ANYTHING with lite/light in the title get an auto #fail from me. | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | lol | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | sqlite is quite good | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | had performance issues in the past, but those are gone now | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | well, performance issues with a lotta data ^^ | 09:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | hmm, I look at lite/light the same way I look at "enterprise" and "clouds" | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | oi! | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | the cloud is cool | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | if you cant explain some technical stuff | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | draw a cloud | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | if you dont wanna explain some technical stuff | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | draw a cloud | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | if you dont have no solution at hand | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | say its going to be solved in the cloud | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | run out of free disk space | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | move stuff to the cloud | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | IT IS A SERVICE | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 09:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL | 09:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's a solution of standing in a circle and pointing left | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | the cloud could even solve the freaking halting problem | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | if only people would let it | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | beware the almighty cloud! | 09:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Would have solved my mysql problem? | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | yes! | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | the data would be in the cloud | 09:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm sold | 09:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | :P | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | ibm.com/cloud | 10:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay, it's 4am and I know the wife is going to want me to help her unpack tomorrow. So, I'll be back in a few hours. I'm gonna recharge the batteries | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | searching for cloud pics I get http://t3n.de/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/cloudfront.png | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: good night | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | "night" | 10:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Oh yay! darkwingduck@ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org work. :D Now I can go to bed :P | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | http://www.frederic.gierlinger.eu/blog/fp-content/images/cloud_computing.jpg | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | cloud!!! | 10:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | ROFL | 10:02 |
| * apachelogger puts on his bug hunt gear, takes his laser screwdriver and leaves for a hunt | 10:02 | |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/ | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | rofl | 10:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 10:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | With that, I'm off to bed | 10:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | on another note... why is GRUB2 actually Grub1.98? | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: because it is not stable yet | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | of course ubuntu never carred for that sort of thing anyway | 10:07 |
| DarkwingDuck | It's not... | 10:08 |
| DarkwingDuck | hmm... | 10:09 |
| Tm_T | ok, here comes the results of my upgrade: don't do it unless you like to handle all broken packages and dependencies yourself | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | just, nuts | 10:20 |
| Tm_T | I wonder what I still have broken here | 10:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | Tm_T: Other then a slight akonadi issue that apachelogger helped me with the upgrade went well. | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | DarkwingDuck: I upgraded directly from Intrepid to Lucid :-P | 10:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | In Kubuntu or Ubuntu | 10:23 |
| Tm_T | I have both -desktop packages installed | 10:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm thinking for a wishlist for the next two years is an installer for LTS to LTS upgrades | 10:24 |
| DarkwingDuck | It will rub the upgrade, check missing dependancies and auto install and configure. | 10:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | s/rub/run | 10:25 |
| Tm_T | it's not that easy, I'm afraid | 10:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | If we keep track... | 10:25 |
| Tm_T | 4 release cycles is plenty of time to change things big time | 10:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | I just think if we are going to advertise updating LTS to LTS upgrades we need to at least make it easy | 10:26 |
| Tm_T | even this 3 cycles upgrade of mine wasn't anywhere manageable without big axe | 10:26 |
| Tm_T | DarkwingDuck: true that | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | if done right, it is easy and mostly smooth | 10:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | I know it wont be easy but, it's not to be done before 12.04 | 10:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | s/not/got | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | ye | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | first of all, it has to make sure no old packages can break dependencies, nor stay behind | 10:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | That's another program apachelogger can take care of ;) | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | none of current dependency checkers does that | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | DarkwingDuck: yeah, he has too short todo at this point anyway (;) | 10:28 |
| * Tm_T hides | 10:28 | |
| * Tm_T is building Qt | 10:29 | |
| * DarkwingDuck doesn't program except XML and PERL. | 10:29 | |
| DarkwingDuck | Somehow I don't think that we want an LTS program written in PERL | 10:30 |
| Tm_T | why not | 10:30 |
| DarkwingDuck | Last time I wrote a large program in PERL it added 150,000 lines of code on it's own after 6 years... | 10:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | I swore I made skynet | 10:31 |
| Tm_T | see, it would fix and create bugs on its own | 10:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL | 10:32 |
| DarkwingDuck | It was a database and custome BBS... It added soooo much crap. I still have the code trying to figure out what it did. | 10:32 |
| DarkwingDuck | I don't think it really followed a syntax rule... If it didn't understand or there was an error, it guessed. | 10:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | It was kinda creepy | 10:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Ok, for realz, I'm goign to bed. It's 440a | 10:36 |
| apachelogger | I do not quite follow | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: intrepid -> lucid is not supported | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: I am well aware (:) | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | indeed no upgrade path is supported other then intrepid->jaunty->karmic->lucid | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: so dont complain about broken packages :P | 10:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: su, Kubuntu didn't have a LTS? | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | intrepid = 8.10 | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | .10 is never ever lts | 10:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, Hardy was? | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: I don't complain (:) | 10:52 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: nope | 10:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | ... | 10:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay sweet | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | hardy didnt get LTS because of KDE 4 being one second away and KDE 3 old and shabby and unsupportable | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | though i suppose the idea is to support hardy upgrades never the less | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: just had to do this quickly, and was interested to see how bad it would be | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | of course I do think that everyone is incredibly unconcerned with all the implications caused by this | 10:53 |
| DarkwingDuck | However, since 10.04 is LTS then we will ahve to have something in place by 12.04 to support | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: yes | 10:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | *nods* great. | 10:54 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: also, didnt you go to bed? ^^ | 10:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL No, I was working on something I was writing about the death of Open Source as we KNEW it. | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | bug 554039 should be called kubuntu logo is fat and ugly ^^ | 10:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554039 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu logo is oversized in Kickoff Application Launcher" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554039 | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | would be much more fun | 10:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: open source is going to die? does cloud open source replace it? | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | CLOUD OPEN SOURCE | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | that is a new buzzword | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | owncloud for example is cloud open source | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | instead of moving everything to the cloud ... lets move it to the open cloud :D | 10:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | No, the idea is it is no longer playing catchup with Microsoft and Apple. It's setting new standards | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | ah | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 10:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Just stay out of my cloud | 10:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 10:57 |
| Tm_T | whatta... | 10:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Open Source for years has been trying to play catchup. Now, it's setting the standards that the "big boys" are trying to emulate | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | does Qt and Soprano have conflicting build dependency? | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | bug 554039 | 10:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554039 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu logo in Kickoff is fat and ugly!" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554039 | 10:58 |
| Tm_T | unixodbc-dev vs libiodbc2-dev | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | possible | 10:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger ++ | 10:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | That was for fixing m system | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: the cloud? | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | yeah, it is the ultimate bugfix | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | :P | 10:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | :P | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: worth looking into I suppose | 11:00 |
| DarkwingDuck | Ok, smoke then bed... really | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | one would think the build stack should be aligned or something | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: sure :P | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: indeed, care to look? I'm still trying to get this system uptodate | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | kubotu_: np | 11:01 |
| kubotu_ | apachelogger is listening to "Thunder" by The Prodigy -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: no, report bugs and assign them to me :P | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | then it has to wait until I get this all done, brrrh | 11:02 |
| * apachelogger is not in the mood to do yet another mind warping packaging activity on a netbook | 11:02 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu_: nick | 11:02 |
| kubotu_ | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu_: help nick' | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | kubotu_: help nick | 11:02 |
| kubotu_ | nick <newnick> => change the bot nick to <newnick>, if possible | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | kubotu_: nick kubotu | 11:02 |
| === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu | ||
| * Tm_T goes with libiodbc2-dev and see if Qt fails | 11:02 | |
| apachelogger | silly thing | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: 8ball is judgment day today? | 11:03 |
| * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me? | 11:03 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu: cause you are freakin father of skynet I have been told!!! | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | silly thing^2 | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: markov | 11:03 |
| kubotu | incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov' | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help markov | 11:03 |
| kubotu | markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | goodness | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help markov status | 11:04 |
| kubotu | markov status => show if markov is enabled, probability and amount of messages in queue for learning | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: markov status | 11:04 |
| kubotu | markov is currently disabled | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | omg! | 11:04 |
| * apachelogger cant remember how to enable ^^ | 11:04 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu: help markov ignore | 11:04 |
| kubotu | ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list | 11:04 |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: chat | 11:07 |
| kubotu | no in /var/lib/dpkg/info/hicolor-icon-theme.postinst | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: that does not make sense at all :P | 11:08 |
| kubotu | oh Yes, that one of the checkbox just doesn't make sense to have the skype call window on another cd and friends | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | bug 554514 | 11:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "Kmail crash for akonadi error in XDG_DATA_DIRS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554514 | 11:20 |
| apachelogger | http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28336#p73835 | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | the | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | frick | 11:26 |
| kubotu | the texts on the road and the kde3.5 one doesn't need it for this one doesn't | 11:26 |
| Mamarok | yay, phonon-backend-vlc works great :) | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | seele: isn't bug 552709 something reported recently already? | 12:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 552709 in kpackagekit "Software Management in Systemsettings (Kubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552709 | 12:01 |
| === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| === effie_jayx is now known as keffie_jayx | ||
| seele | apachelogger: there was a mailing list topic about it, i dont know about a bug | 12:27 |
| === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| === shadeslayer is now known as Guest95587 | ||
| apachelogger | seele: maybe I am thinking about that then ^^ | 12:29 |
| Quintasan | hgnh | 12:47 |
| ghostcube_maemo | o/ | 12:48 |
| Quintasan | ghostcube_maemo: \o | 12:49 |
| ghostcube_maemo | :) | 12:49 |
| Quintasan | ghostcube_maemo: How do you like your n900? | 12:50 |
| * Quintasan wants one too but he is a poor high school student | 12:50 | |
| Quintasan | oh, dinner | 12:50 |
| Quintasan | awesome | 12:50 |
| ghostcube_maemo | its cool. i like the way it works | 12:50 |
| Quintasan | I want one, gimmie >_< | 12:50 |
| * Quintasan grabs ghostcube's N900 | 12:51 | |
| ghostcube_maemo | heh, i bought it and set my mobile contract to not include a phone | 12:51 |
| ghostcube_maemo | so i nearly payed the same now, as i would in 24 month | 12:52 |
| ghostcube_maemo | hehe | 12:52 |
| ghostcube_maemo | it has some cool gimmicks | 12:52 |
| ghostcube_maemo | fm transmitter and direct tv out | 12:52 |
| ghostcube_maemo | iam happy nit to bought an apple thingy | 12:53 |
| kubotu | bought an tomtom one added it to work | 12:53 |
| ghostcube_maemo | i have tomtom one too. it sux a bit cause xp doesnt revognize it. | 12:54 |
| kubotu | it sux then it should go in 4.1.3 | 12:54 |
| ghostcube_maemo | :p | 12:54 |
| shadesla1er | hmm... i think the recovery option in the grub menu is useless.... | 12:57 |
| kubotu | what's the most visited website in the grub Theme alone is enough market | 12:57 |
| shadesla1er | \o/ | 12:57 |
| shadesla1er | kubotu speaks? | 12:57 |
| ghostcube_maemo | who is adding autoanswer on regexp to the bit | 12:57 |
| ghostcube_maemo | s/bit/bot | 12:58 |
| shadesla1er | oh btw i got a 1 TB portable hd... :D | 12:58 |
| kubotu | I think We've got a notification pops up, the old apparmor mysql problem | 12:58 |
| ghostcube_maemo | ~,~ | 12:59 |
| shadesla1er | hehe | 12:59 |
| === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| JontheEchidna | ghostcube_maemo: most likely apachelogger turned on the markov chain plugin | 13:03 |
| ghostcube_maemo | hehe | 13:04 |
| kubotu | hehe, there is a doctor so he did | 13:04 |
| ghostcube_maemo | ok, good to know | 13:04 |
| shadeslayer | thanks for the 600 MB download in form of package updates...... :S | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | gonna take me 5 hours to download..... :) | 13:06 |
| kubotu | >implying that it look me > 7 hours to live with the current breaks-if-you-look-at-it-the-wrong-way theme. | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: chat | 13:11 |
| kubotu | oh so slow | 13:11 |
| Quintasan | Why do I get the impression that apachelogger is responsible for kubotu talking? | 13:12 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger | 13:13 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. | 13:13 | |
| kubotu | order chistmas cookies for example code often doesn't get changed upstream anyway | 13:13 |
| * shadeslayer goes and transfers data to new hd... | 13:13 | |
| kubotu | goes and gets published, I think Qt is teh winnah...at work we usual support, no need to upload amarok it'll actually see and go from there. | 13:13 |
| ghostcube_maemo | quintasan, cause hes bored i think | 13:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Wondering if bug 519724 would be an appropriate beta freeze upload | 13:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 519724 in k3b "missing help files for k3b" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519724 | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | bbl | 13:41 |
| JontheEchidna | (If it is, it would also be nice if a core-dev could confirm the nomination) | 13:42 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| ScottK | apachelogger: The idea for Hardy -> Lucid is that we don't officially support it, but because it's supported for Ubuntu and some people have both installed, we should try and fix problems we become aware of. | 15:49 |
| * ScottK is waiting to hear if any of Tm_T's problems were Kubuntu packages. | 15:49 | |
| Tm_T | ScottK: actually mostly gnome packages, but there were too many to list out | 15:49 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Any KDE? | 15:50 |
| ScottK | IIRC we've been pretty careful about keeping conflicts/replaces and stuff. | 15:50 |
| Tm_T | only one I remember, that was old knetworkmanager package (versus network-manager-kde) | 15:50 |
| kubotu | the one I have :) | 15:50 |
| Tm_T | ...then there was problem with amarok, one file moved to other package | 15:51 |
| ScottK | That's exactly the kind of problem we need to know about. | 15:52 |
| ScottK | Do you have the packages involved? | 15:52 |
| Tm_T | amarokcollectionscanner is the binary that cause the grief, so it's amarok and ... was it amarok-common? | 15:53 |
| kubotu | indeed I think he had seen Kubuntu, which is the official backports? | 15:53 |
| Tm_T | kubotu: yes, you are very smart bot | 15:54 |
| ScottK | This is when more minions would come in handy. | 15:56 |
| kubotu | maybe this come in kde4.2 ppa in the menu? | 15:56 |
| Tm_T | amarok-utils is the current location of that binary | 15:56 |
| Tm_T | and amarok in intrepid | 15:56 |
| kubotu | but virtualization should work in intrepid is released tomorrow, it is | 15:56 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: now I remember, one library in kdepim moved to other package too | 15:57 |
| kubotu | I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I get run even in -ninjas too | 15:57 |
| Tm_T | which cause conflict | 15:57 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: OK. Need details on that one too. | 15:57 |
| Tm_T | will try to think, I was without monitor some of the time as system didn't handle all those changes well | 15:58 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 15:58 |
| kubotu | OK. Thanks. Maybe jtechidna will turn the MI | 15:58 |
| Tm_T | somethgin related to kdepim-wizards... hmmm | 16:00 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: got it, /usr/share/kde4/services/kresources/knotes/kolabresource.desktop | 16:03 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: OK. And what was it in before? | 16:03 |
| kubotu | OK. And I'm sure add an Xsession file that had a desktop that runs the distro front and back. On the amarok stuff, cdbs and have 2 notifiers | 16:03 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: that's in knotes package in intrepid, and kdepim-groupware in lucid | 16:03 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Perfect. Thanks. | 16:03 |
| Tm_T | other than that, kde was smooth | 16:04 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Both fixed in bzr. Thank you. | 16:27 |
| kubotu | update-manager-kde does the openoffice kde stuff in bzr. I looked, but that's what | 16:27 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: great, thanks | 16:33 |
| Tm_T | oh my, gold linker is fast | 16:35 |
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| apachelogger | kubotu: config set markov.probability 5 | 17:12 |
| kubotu | lemme take care of that for you | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: save | 17:13 |
| kubotu | okay then :) | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 17:13 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 17:13 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 17:13 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 50 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | lets see how that goes | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | it there someone? | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: as it it with ugprade bugs.... usually they only get reported after the release | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | so I think the bot doesnt like to talk anymore | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | poor bot, ended up in total silence ^^ | 17:16 |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: chat | 17:16 |
| kubotu | I'll wontfix the bug reports :O | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | weeeh | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | <3 kubotu | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | wontfix for all bug reports! | 17:16 |
| * shadeslayer slides kubotu a cookie | 17:17 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hehe... | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | stupid USB drive...cant go above 5-6MBps... | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | is someone friends with a kwin dev? | 17:18 |
| * apachelogger wants bug 389658 fixed though | 17:21 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 389658 in kubuntu-default-settings "KDE menu button should have a Kubuntu Logo" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389658 | 17:21 |
| * apachelogger wants more branding in general | 17:21 | |
| apachelogger | kde's reference distribution is opensuse :P | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | <3 bug 554039 | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554039 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu logo in Kickoff is fat and ugly!" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554039 | 17:23 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: lol... its true though :) | 17:24 |
| * apachelogger thinks that Tonio__ is on a lag run | 17:24 | |
| apachelogger | so | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | PEOPLE | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer | we need new logos... nixternal probably has some :) | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | what do you think about that for bug 351874 | 17:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351874 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Kubuntu] GTK apps launched as superuser are unthemed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351874 | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | set the gtk env var via kdesudo?! | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | i.e. not copy the config, but just use the user's config | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: or use qtcurve... | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | read the report :P | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | hahaha | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | shortest bug report eva | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: commentstoo | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | and I say comments comments comments | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | they are the answer to everything | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | just comment until no one wants to read the mails anymore and then wontfix | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | gentoo uses this approach :P | 17:28 |
| * apachelogger likes it TBH | 17:28 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wallpaper+Clock?content=119563 << seen this? | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | its a pythorn software! | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | but | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | oh | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | my | 17:29 |
| kubotu | now my buttons in konqueror rendered often appears in the configured icon themes) | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | CLOCKS | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: that is no good | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | we could rewrite that in javascript | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the site has a pretty amazing wallpaper set though :P | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | and boot lubyou | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer | lubyou: easy does it :) | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | lubyou: could you please stop flooding somewhere? | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | meh | 17:31 |
| shadeslayer | i guess not... | 17:31 |
| kubotu | if testbuild fine I think it didn't FTBFS | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | so here I am, kubuntu council member, and I cant even lock someone out :P | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: irc team fail :P | 17:31 |
| apachelogger | all your fault :P | 17:31 |
| * apachelogger is just glad that we dont get the actual flood ^^ | 17:31 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: lol... well were getting the mini join and part flood | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | OMG | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ??? | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | plasmoid download dialog needs UI feedback | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | I imagine it looks broken on a slow connection, when it is busy downloading content | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: the get new hot stuff thing? | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh the new one is much much better | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | we probably should have patches using it everywhere.... | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | yay | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | that clocks thingy just crashed plasma | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: weird... runs fine here :P | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no we shouldnt | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: why? | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | its obviously much better than the old one.. | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | because patches are evil | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and bad | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and dirty | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and ugly | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and stupid | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and stoned | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | hmm... :) | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | and join-part-flooding | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | hehe :D | 17:35 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| shadeslayer_ | brb... got to do some work :) | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 17:36 |
| kubotu | oh dear oh dear | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | that thing is crap | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | got a pm/am switch == crap | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: could we do something about lubyou? | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | well | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: i think jussi01 or Riddell can do the needfull | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | neither is around | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: #ubuntu-ops :P | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: you could go ask in #ubuntu-irc or what their channel is called | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | they should have permissions in here nowadays | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer_ | sure thing | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | yet I do not :P | 17:45 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: chat | 17:45 |
| kubotu | and i could fix it, should be obvious awell | 17:45 |
| * apachelogger could make kubotu markov react on joins and parts :P | 17:45 | |
| apachelogger | some of the var names in kdesudo make me wonder about the point of life | 17:46 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: same thing with lubyou in #rekonq | 17:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | and #kde... | 17:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: had a look in #kubuntu-offtopic in the past hour? its hilarious... | 17:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: in that case you might wanna poke the masters of freenode | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: yeah i was thinking the same thing... | 17:49 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: and tell the mighty gods of freenode greetings from me ^^ | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: hehe :) | 17:50 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: I am not in kubuntu-offtopic, what was so hilarious? | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: its gone way beyong Offtopic.. it should be renamed #Love :P | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | oh | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: can you paste the log? | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | *beyond | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | did someone have intercourse?! Oo | 17:52 |
| kubotu | can someone have to work on porting kita2. At a time via the kubuntu wiki was down :P | 17:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: sure,but i have only half of it | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | via irc!!!?? | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: we can ask jussi01 or tsimpson for the other part, I think ubottu lurks in there, and I supose ubottu logs all and everything ;) | 17:53 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: probably | 17:54 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: what? | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: ah finally! | 17:56 |
| kubotu | ah dangit, those days? | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: look at the join part mess :P | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: our saviour! | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bhUNWUYa | 17:57 |
| jussi01 | 1 sec | 17:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: ##fix_your_connection will now be flooded :P | 17:59 |
| jussi01 | happy now? | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: :D | 17:59 |
| jussi01 | shadeslayer_: thats what its for... | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer_ | :P | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: did you see the pastebin? | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 18:01 |
| * apachelogger would have run that in a query and not in -offtopic | 18:02 | |
| shadeslayer_ | kubotu: chat | 18:02 |
| kubotu | google does tend towards more restrictive | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: lol, and I am god | 18:02 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: told ya... :) | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: thanks | 18:02 |
| kubotu | (we could try to talk to free memory, and I had a story, fancy tidying it up | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: also, would it be possible using this new magic of you irc people to have the kubuntu council op in kubuntu channels? | 18:03 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: did you see my message the other day? | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | the which one | 18:03 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: re: LART | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | nope | 18:03 |
| jussi01 | ahh | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: lart apachelogger | 18:03 |
| * kubotu puts lye in apachelogger's coffee | 18:03 | |
| * apachelogger is wondering what lye is | 18:03 | |
| apachelogger | jussi01: what was it in particular? | 18:04 |
| jussi01 | I just suggested that you disable it, as we have done across the rest of the ubuntu channels | 18:04 |
| kubotu | in particular? nedko is checking | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | I had it disabled until some time ago :P | 18:04 |
| jussi01 | !lart | 18:04 |
| ubottu | LART has been disabled in this bot. | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | then I did python programming | 18:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | did anyone notice that 10.10 was announced | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | which caused immediate need for larting ^^ | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: config add lart to plugins.blacklist | 18:05 |
| kubotu | plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart | 18:05 |
| kubotu | this config change will take effect on the next rescan | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: save | 18:05 |
| kubotu | done | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 18:05 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 18:05 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 18:05 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 49 plugins loaded; 34 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: lart jussi01 | 18:05 |
| kubotu | jussi01 are seeing are either frozen or can it go upstream :) | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: happy? :P | 18:05 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: awesome. | 18:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: that does not make no sense dude! | 18:05 |
| kubotu | how did you testbuild the new intel standard on modern laptops, it would make no promises of success :) | 18:05 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: in response to your question, does the kubuntu council have a LP group? | 18:06 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-council ^^ | 18:06 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: yep :) | 18:06 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: then yes. You just need to put it on the ircc agenda and we will make a decision - but I cant see us saying no. just a matter of doing it. | 18:07 |
| * apachelogger thinks kubuntu members should undergo a training course before being appointed members | 18:07 | |
| apachelogger | lesson 1: learn about the almighty council | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | lesson 2: learn about almighty apachelogger | 18:07 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: lol | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | lesson 3: forget about lesson 1 and consider apachelogger your god | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: k, thanks | 18:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: lesson 4 : just forget lessons 1-3 | 18:08 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: does that make Riddell a demigod? | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: where do i put it on the agenda? ^^ | 18:08 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | demigod? we aint got no demigods! | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: i hope the repos have all the kde packages now? | 18:08 |
| kubotu | I've got no gtk style | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: cheers | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: I am looking into that already | 18:08 |
| shadeslayer_ | kubotu: i thought you were partial to kde? :( | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: why shouldn they? | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | shouldn | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't | 18:09 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: just confirming | 18:10 |
| shadeslayer_ | plasma freeze.... | 18:10 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: Just one thing to realise, anyone on the access lists of the support and offtopic chans is required to idle in -ops ;) | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | gross | 18:11 |
| shadeslayer_ | jussi01: im guessing you know rsync? | 18:12 |
| jussi01 | no | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer_ | :( | 18:12 |
| kubotu | :( what you mean the KDE libraries are not clickable | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | zsync is superior anyway | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: they are freakin libraries, how would you click them?!?! | 18:12 |
| kubotu | something is fishy with that final option when you click it | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | *sob* | 18:12 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: i need to sync folder 1 to my new portable HD | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | see | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | /* pointer to the new process */ | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | p = NULL; | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | p = NULL; | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | /* pointer to the new process */ | 18:13 |
| kubotu | /* pointer to upstream author | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | that is an example of bad var naming | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | at the moment you need to comment a var to give it meaning, the name of the var is no good | 18:14 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: probably worth a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements (expectations from ops). | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: it says expected | 18:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | apachelogger: Told ya I was gonna crash | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | not must | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | that is quite the difference from my POV | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: I think you just didnt comment and played killerbots ;) | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL Fallout 3 actually :P | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | Had to give my PS3 some love too | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | uhhh, a fancy graphics lover :P | 18:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | A console gamer | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | robots! | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: google robots bsd game | 18:18 |
| kubotu | Results for robots bsd game: 1. Robots (computer game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_(computer_game) | 2. BSD games - LQWiki: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/BSD_games | 3. File:Robots text screenshot.png - Wikimedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_text_screenshot.png | 18:18 |
| kubotu | BSD, and others use "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk". What is complicate about them? the archive | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:18 |
| apachelogger | I doubt BSD uses cdbs :P | 18:18 |
| ScottK | killbots is awesome. | 18:18 |
| DarkwingDuck | I was going to Download it for my phone the other dat | 18:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | s/dat/day | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | bah | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | bad wiki article | 18:19 |
| kubotu | bah! you and ScottK run kubuntu | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | doesnt mention killbots | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | biased gnome stuff | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | DarkwingDuck: you want to run bsd on your phone? | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | you really want to reconsider this ;) | 18:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No, killbots is in kdegames. | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, but the wikipedia doesnt mention this | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | but must advertise the gnome version | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | as if it was any better than any other clone | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | that said, I still find the original version best | 18:21 |
| * ScottK didn't know a Gnome version even existed. | 18:21 | |
| apachelogger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_graphic_screenshot.png | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | doesnt look that sexy TBH | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | meh, sudo is an evil monster | 18:22 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger is sudo... :D | 18:22 |
| * apachelogger is wondering why one cant except a whole env var from being cleared :( | 18:22 | |
| apachelogger | jussi01: nono, see, that is why we need this kubuntu-member introduction course :P | 18:23 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: lol | 18:23 |
| * apachelogger is mathemagician, professional ranter, god, good looking, awesome, cool... | 18:24 | |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 18:24 |
| === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| apachelogger | if sudo was able to not unset the GTK env var we could easily theme sudo'd gtk apps | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | but unfortuantely... :/ | 18:25 |
| shadeslayer | heh rsync is faster than cp :P | 18:25 |
| ScottK | Even the first time? | 18:26 |
| * apachelogger notes that bug 262924 should be closed due to pointlessness | 18:27 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 262924 in kubuntu-default-settings "[kubuntu] shared folder" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262924 | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | it doesnt really belong anywhere | 18:27 |
| apachelogger | also I do think this needs to be implemented in ubuntu foundations | 18:27 |
| apparle | who works on kubuntu firefox integration | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | apparle: probably apparle | 18:32 |
| shadeslayer | i mean apachelogger | 18:32 |
| apparle | :D | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | nope | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | opensuse does | 18:32 |
| apparle | a great job... I seriously love the fact that I don't have to specify the files | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | and debfx I think | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | at least he did the packaging bits AFAIK | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | so he is to praise | 18:33 |
| apparle | apachelogger: who decides which themes etc go with the default firefox package | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | but by general rule I am to blame if something goes wrong | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | apparle: there dont go any | 18:33 |
| apparle | apachelogger: why not... | 18:34 |
| apparle | apachelogger: the default one does not look good at all.. | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | define default | 18:34 |
| * apachelogger notes that gtk cannot look good anyway | 18:35 | |
| kubotu | notes that the expected type and then I'll see if youe Wine menu properly, or the debian branch into the repos, not on purpose. | 18:35 |
| apparle | the one which gets installed when I open firefox installer present in the menu of a standartd kubuntu installtion | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | well | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | there is no theme in this case | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | what you get by default is qtcurve-gtk | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | which stacks oxygen icons upon the gtk stuff | 18:36 |
| apparle | no I mean... I have installed just a persona and it does look good and goes with the kubuntu theme well | 18:36 |
| kubotu | no I have a bug for http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/nepomuklog against virtuoso or nepomuk? It's happening on my internal data out!! :) | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | and that is the only way theming should be done | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | apparle: I have no clue what you are talking about ... screenshots please | 18:36 |
| apparle | alright | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: personas are like Firefox themes | 18:37 |
| apachelogger | so why not call it themes? | 18:37 |
| * apachelogger doesnt follow | 18:37 | |
| apachelogger | sounds like marketing speech :P | 18:37 |
| apparle | apachelogger: I myself didn't get that | 18:37 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: well... idk.. but its just a fancy name | 18:38 |
| apparle | but I liked one so I installed it | 18:38 |
| apparle | !pastebin | 18:38 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: see :P | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | must be some silly thing if it got such a silly name | 18:38 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: tried rekonq lately? | 18:38 |
| kubotu | silly thing works on RC2, updating to a democrat | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | no | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | using konquer with webkitkde | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | quite happyily I might add | 18:38 |
| kubotu | might add that in the fridge had nobody to run the smart solution. | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: hmm... wel rekonq now has the same type of urlbar as with crhome | 18:39 |
| shadeslayer | *chrome | 18:39 |
| apparle | apachelogger: see this http://imagebin.org/91472 | 18:40 |
| apparle | Also I'd like to say that you developers have done a great job... the beta I am using is the most stable kubuntu I have seen after gutsy | 18:43 |
| ScottK | Good to hear. All the ones after that were crap on stabllity. | 18:44 |
| apparle | ScottK: not exactly.... previous one was also good... | 18:45 |
| apparle | apachelogger: what say about the image... | 18:45 |
| apparle | If only there were no issues of KMS | 18:45 |
| ScottK | apparle: Karmic and my Intel video don't always get along as well as I'd like. | 18:46 |
| ScottK | GPU gets wedged every now and then or something. | 18:46 |
| apparle | ScottK: I have an ATI so I am used to GPU problems in every new release... I rather judge releases on everything except the graphics issues | 18:46 |
| kubotu | releases on my desktop widgets and such.. Theming is disabled, it is not about | 18:47 |
| ScottK | apparle: During development I'll apply blame on parts of the stack, but after release, I want it all to work. | 18:47 |
| apparle | kubotu: what | 18:47 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: You'll probably want the mountall update that just finished on powerpc before you get adventerous and reboot or anything. | 18:48 |
| kubotu | I know I was doing now before you melt down | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | apparle: and that is how firefox looks out of the box? | 18:48 |
| apparle | ScottK: everyone wants everything to work at a release | 18:48 |
| apparle | apachelogger: that's modified with the persona and a google toolbar installed... | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | see :P | 18:49 |
| * apachelogger thinks that persona thing comes from firefox package itself though | 18:49 | |
| apparle | apachelogger: wait I'll give a screen shot of default look | 18:49 |
| * apachelogger also finds it quite worthless | 18:49 | |
| * apachelogger is patching better adblock into kdelibs and kdebase | 18:49 | |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: got disconnected.... is this channel logged | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | irclogs.ubuntu.com | 18:54 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: where's today's lo | 18:55 |
| apparle_ | *log | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | in 04/03 I suppose | 18:56 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: not there | 18:57 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: so if you said anything... repeat it | 18:57 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: see here is the default look http://imagebin.org/91474 | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | apparle_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/03/%23kubuntu-devel.txt | 18:58 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: it does not contain...our chat... 5 min ago | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | apparle_: so what is so bad about that default? | 18:59 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: doesn't look as cool as whole of the other KDE | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | how so? | 18:59 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: the ubuntu one looks much better | 18:59 |
| kubotu | what is there a native ubuntu one Music plugin for akonadi :) | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | how so? | 19:00 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: it sould be nice and glossy | 19:00 |
| kubotu | sould be there... but still, it was innocent | 19:00 |
| * ScottK stares at the samba4 build on hooker and urges it to peddle faster. | 19:00 | |
| apachelogger | kubuntu is not glossy | 19:00 |
| kubotu | I have never done it once, it is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in kubuntu is "depressingly #255 blue" :P | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: not you :P | 19:00 |
| * apachelogger needs a cloud he can make compiles in ^^ | 19:01 | |
| apachelogger | apparle_: anyhow, what changes do you propose? | 19:02 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: I just thought maybe the persona could be included in the default firefox installation.. | 19:03 |
| lex79 | poor kubotu | 19:03 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: coz I liked it | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | apparle_: what perosna? | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | the one you had earlier? | 19:03 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: ya | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | not gonna happen | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | because that really breaks integration | 19:03 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: how | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | + is disturbing for people with visual impairment | 19:03 |
| ScottK | Nope. too slow. | 19:03 |
| * ScottK gets to wait ANOTHER hour. | 19:04 | |
| * apachelogger hugs ScottK and hands him a cookie | 19:04 | |
| lex79 | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+(Firefox+Theme)?content=117962 | 19:04 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: ahh... never thought of that | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P | 19:04 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: but how does it break integration | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P | 19:04 |
| ScottK | Thanks apachelogger | 19:05 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: no... I am suggesting only about firefox :P | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | THAT IS WHY IT BREAKS INTEGRATION :P | 19:05 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: oh... | 19:05 |
| apparle_ | LOL | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | if firefox looks different than the other apps, what is the point of having it look kdeish altogether | 19:05 |
| nigelb | there is a kde specific bug that you folks might be interested in, bug 535341 | 19:06 |
| kubotu | this was all disappointing to watch his head swell, he and I have to be a widespread issue, seeing as I said is why the Alpha candidates from Tuesday (when they enter internal testing) rather than the license was changed | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | what is the point of even having a kde look and feel | 19:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 535341 in vim "vim-gnome "swap already exists" dialog erroneously triggers hot corners" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535341 | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | we could implement a stlye randomify and start every app with another style | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | that wouldnt even be terribly difficult :P | 19:06 |
| nigelb | the patch to fix it is attached to the bug.. anyone willing to get it readY? | 19:06 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: got the point | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | k :) | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | nigelb: how is that kde specific? | 19:08 |
| nigelb | apachelogger, happens only in kde | 19:08 |
| DarkwingDuck | I wonder how the text to speech programs are for linux | 19:08 |
| nigelb | apachelogger, wait, its a bug in gnome because it works around a kde bug? | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | yes, dont even know if it is a bug in kde 3.1 :P | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | nigelb: needs to be fixed in vim | 19:10 |
| kubotu | http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt <- ScottK here is to be bugged again -.- | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | not esepcially related to us | 19:10 |
| nigelb | apachelogger, ahhh. /me gets to work on it | 19:10 |
| * nigelb should learn to read properly.. for a change | 19:10 | |
| apachelogger | nixternal: uhhh, what would be the tune for that song?? | 19:11 |
| apparle_ | anyone here who understands jabber protocol / kopete works.. I need some help | 19:19 |
| ScottK | IME, jabber + kopete != works. | 19:19 |
| apparle_ | ScottK: so why doesn't anyone fix it... for others it seems to work but not at all for me | 19:21 |
| ScottK | apparle_: No idea. | 19:21 |
| amichair | is there a list of bugs whose fixing is needed/wanted to make it into lucid? | 19:22 |
| apparle_ | ScottK: that's why I am looking for a guy who knows somethings about them... so if he himself can't ... at least he would be able to guide | 19:23 |
| ScottK | Probably more luck in a #kde channel of some kind | 19:23 |
| kubotu | no echos in current version, get it working with ubuntustudio-dev for a virtual interface, there is some kind of stuff that annoys m | 19:23 |
| Sput | ScottK: jabber + kopete works fine for me | 19:24 |
| larsivi | apparle_: jabber in kopete works fine for me (gtalk for example) | 19:24 |
| apparle_ | larsivi: that't the problem... I just am unable to reproduce my problem... and I am facing it since, intrepid and it can't be a firewall problem coz psi and pidgin can connect | 19:25 |
| larsivi | in fact I chatted over it an hour ago, on lucid | 19:26 |
| ScottK | amichair: My advice would be start of the ones that annoy you, but really most anything that doesn't break U/I or string freeze is good to have. | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | amichair: see topic | 19:29 |
| amichair | ScottK: I meant top-priority showstoppers, if any - whatever is most urgent. Maybe what apachelogger said, though I don't see the pattern there (are the low priority bugs high priority too?) | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | amichair: if they were nominated for lucid then they are at least fixable in time for release | 19:38 |
| kubotu | fixable in hotkey-setup "Hardy/Gutsy crashes when trying to overwrite org.soprano.Model.xml whitch exist in jaunty (Cannot copy private stuff on there, and I pinged doko, let's hope the Kubuntu Firefox integration :) | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | so everything on that list should be fixed, since it is fixable | 19:38 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Did you get akonadi figured out? | 19:38 |
| ScottK | That would be a top priority showstopper. | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | it work | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | and it doesnt | 19:38 |
| amichair | apachelogger: what did u slip into kubotu's drink? | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | it is one pile of bugs wrapped into each other | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | but I think the most important one is down | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | amichair: only the good stuff, only the good one ^^ | 19:39 |
| Riddell | evening | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Good evening Riddell. | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | omg | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | our dekroator version is old | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | like really old | 19:45 |
| kubotu | bad timing on that one is old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources list or combo of both? | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | hi Riddell | 19:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Do you know if shtylman is planning on more installer stuff for beta2? | 19:45 |
| Riddell | gosh, we got slangasek to become a Kubuntu developer | 19:45 |
| Riddell | ScottK: not that I know of | 19:46 |
| ScottK | It was a bit of an open question from the release meeting. | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell: There are several ubiquity bugs milestoned for beta 2. They ought to be adjusted then. | 19:46 |
| kubotu | but that seems to be one of 'em | 19:46 |
| Riddell | mm, release meeting on a bank holiday | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Not for the release manager. | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so how do we make slangasek a kubuntu dev? | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | would bribing with cookies work? | 19:48 |
| Riddell | we have 9 milestoned bugs tagged with kubuntu none high priority, pleasingly low. probably most of them are marked as beta 2 but we can change that to rc or final | 19:48 |
| Tm_T | ScottK: thanks | 19:48 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: He did the last kdebase-workspace upload. | 19:49 |
| apparle_ | I have never used beta earlier... so when beta2 comes out.. do I just upgrade | 19:49 |
| apparle_ | when is it coming out | 19:49 |
| ScottK | Scheduled for Thursday | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 19:51 |
| Riddell | apparle_: there will be upgrade instructions linked from the announcement on kubuntu.org | 19:52 |
| apparle_ | Riddell: ahh | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | fixing bug 372379 would violate string freeze | 19:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I think the biggest worry right now is akonadi, but apachelogger thinks he possibly has that sorted. | 19:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 372379 in kubuntu-default-settings "Konqueror ships ancient EasyList blocklist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372379 | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | I have the most important part of it sorted | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | akonadi is broken by design, since it uses mysql | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | that said, does dbusmenu work again? | 19:53 |
| Riddell | ScottK: apachelogger did uploads of akonadi and mysql which should have fixed the main problem | 19:53 |
| * apachelogger is wondering if he could streamline the easylist stuff so that it can survive without GUI changes | 19:53 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I think mostly you just need to get nixternal to say it's OK. | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | no, string changes == untranslated | 19:55 |
| ScottK | Are they tranlsated now? | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | no | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | completely new | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | and if I understand the code correctly, this just as well work without the GUI | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | since the functional implementation is in khtml | 19:56 |
| kubotu | Test daily images to make the thought moot however. _if_ there is no way to work fine in khtml part "Kopete crashed with SIGSEGV on start" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437999 | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 437999 in kdepim "kontact crashed with SIGSEGV on start (dup-of: 427073)" [Medium,New] | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 427073 in kdepim "kontact crashed with SIGSEGV in QListData::begin()" [Medium,Fix released] | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | well, first I need to get khtml compiled anyway ^^ | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: config add markov to plugins.blacklist | 19:59 |
| kubotu | plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart, markov | 19:59 |
| kubotu | this config change will take effect on the next rescan | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: rescan | 19:59 |
| kubotu | saving ... | 19:59 |
| kubotu | rescanning ... | 19:59 |
| kubotu | done. 10 core modules loaded; 48 plugins loaded; 35 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load | 19:59 |
| ScottK | Riddell: If you have a moment, would you please move idjc to multiverse (build-deps on multiverse package)? | 20:07 |
| Riddell | I can | 20:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thank you. | 20:10 |
| Riddell | done | 20:10 |
| ScottK | Great. | 20:11 |
| ScottK | Does that need a publisher run to take effect or it is ~immediate? | 20:12 |
| Riddell | I'm pretty sure it needs a publisher run | 20:12 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:12 |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| Tscheesy | nixternal: is there a new approach for translations now? and if - is there a howto? | 20:22 |
| * apachelogger thinks that we should move the window control buttons to the left, like mac osx | 20:27 | |
| * ScottK would thank apachelogger to NOT do that so he doesn't have to deal with hyper ventilating teenagers at home. | 20:29 | |
| apachelogger | but look | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | http://imagebin.ca/view/Z3Ohmro.html | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | it frees up space on the right quite nicely | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | we could put a blinking pony unicorn there | 20:30 |
| maco | ScottK: "daddy you bought us a mac?!?!?!" | 20:31 |
| amichair | blinkingponyunicorn++ | 20:32 |
| ScottK | maco: No, Sylvia said it was fine there on a Mac, because she was used to it, but to move it on KDE would drive her mad. | 20:32 |
| maco | ah | 20:32 |
| apachelogger | oi oi oi oi ! | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | ubuntu did not get that idea from mac! | 20:33 |
| maco | i use the kbd to close windows on a mac so i dont have to remember where the buttons are | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | it just looks like it because there isnt much space where you could move those buttons | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | I for one would prefer to have them bottom right | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | unfortunately there is no space for buttons there :( | 20:33 |
| apachelogger | also note that the original order was all different from mac! | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | it was buttons->shiftLeft(); | 20:34 |
| ScottK | No, Ubuntu got the idea for designers who have no thought for the affect of changes on existing users. | 20:34 |
| ScottK | for/from | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/194 | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | IMHO ubuntu is becoming osx 2.0 anyway | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | this khtml compile is driving me mad :S | 20:37 |
| ScottK | How will we tell the difference? | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: of ubuntu and osx? | 20:38 |
| apachelogger | ubuntu will have icons that look like oxygen ;) | 20:38 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No, you before and after khtml compiling drives you mad. | 20:38 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: possibly I will start running around nakkid! | 20:38 |
| apachelogger | at least in here | 20:39 |
| * ScottK looks for his darkest sun glasses. | 20:39 | |
| apparle_ | I think the screenshot looks good but... it will take time getting used to the buttons on left... after all I have been using them on right for about 10 years now... for you guys it must be more than that | 20:49 |
| apparle_ | How to write those * ScottK looks for .... type messages | 20:51 |
| ScottK | apparle_: Start the line with /me .... | 20:51 |
| * apparle_ can also write these type of messages now | 20:52 | |
| apparle_ | :D | 20:52 |
| apachelogger | http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | !!!!! | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | this is so awesome | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | if we dont make this default I must go to fedora! | 20:53 |
| jjesse | the unicorn is the greatest | 20:56 |
| jjesse | love the mac osx theme :) | 20:56 |
| apachelogger | THAT IS NO OSX THEME! | 20:56 |
| apachelogger | i just accidently looks like it | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | s/i/it | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | I was just moving buttons around, and next thing you know it looked it *a bit* like osx | 20:57 |
| jjesse | hahaha a bit :) | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: identica dent !kubuntu 10.04 http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html | 20:59 |
| kubotu | status updated | 20:59 |
| * apachelogger notes that we actually only recently went from 10.03 to 10.04 | 20:59 | |
| lex79 | lol | 20:59 |
| lex79 | looks pretty good :) | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | pretty good? | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | come on | 21:01 |
| * amichair wants a pony! | 21:01 | |
| apachelogger | it is incredibly unbelivable awesome | 21:01 |
| ScottK | With Hannah Montana riding it. | 21:01 |
| lex79 | apachelogger: I want hannah montana on the pony | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | no! | 21:02 |
| lex79 | :( | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | but I plan on making it interactable with | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | it will not only blink | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | BUT | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | it will also switch to pink glasses mode upon clicking! | 21:03 |
| lex79 | omg | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | turns your desktop into fluffy bunny mode!!!!! | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | can you believe it! | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | this will be so awesome | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | [100%] Building CXX object khtml/CMakeFiles/khtml.dir/kcookiejar_interface.o | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | Linking CXX shared library ../lib/libkhtml.so | 21:04 |
| Riddell | hjhhh | 21:04 |
| * apachelogger starts doing things | 21:04 | |
| amichair | does oem-config run only from DVD? | 21:05 |
| ScottK | No. | 21:06 |
| amichair | ScottK: How do I do it from CD? | 21:06 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 21:06 |
| promulo | Riddell, hello | 21:06 |
| Riddell | hi promulo | 21:07 |
| promulo | I have just submitted my proposal on melange | 21:07 |
| Riddell | melange? | 21:07 |
| promulo | the gsoc site :) | 21:07 |
| Riddell | hmm, I don't see it | 21:10 |
| promulo | Riddell, try this link http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/romullo/t127032497268 | 21:12 |
| promulo | but in this view you can't post comments | 21:13 |
| promulo | Riddell, it's pretty much the same of wiki.. I've only updated some terms like "work" you said that day :p | 21:15 |
| promulo | and added the zeroconf task as you suggested | 21:16 |
| lex79 | I fixed this bug 554011 in bzr | 21:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 554011 in kdemultimedia "ships with /exists directory in violation of FHS" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554011 | 21:44 |
| lex79 | it was my copy/paste mistake | 21:44 |
| lex79 | ScottK: can we upload or after beta2? | 21:44 |
| apparle_ | apachelogger: so what's decided.. window control buttons on left or right? | 21:54 |
| ScottK | lex79: Yes. | 22:08 |
| ScottK | apparle_: We aren't changing | 22:08 |
| lex79 | ScottK: ok, thanks | 22:09 |
| apparle_ | ScottK: :D why has ubuntu changed it? | 22:09 |
| ScottK | Because their designers think it's better. | 22:09 |
| ScottK | They didn't explain why. | 22:09 |
| apparle_ | that's aweful... so what if mac does that.... most people are shifting from windows and they don't like such changes.... because they are already trying to grasp a big change of win to linux | 22:10 |
| apparle_ | moreover have the designers tried using it | 22:11 |
| apparle_ | it takes time getting used to | 22:11 |
| ScottK | They say don't worry, you'll adjust quickly. | 22:12 |
| ScottK | #ayatana is the channel some of them hang out it. | 22:12 |
| ScottK | It's really OT for here. | 22:12 |
| apparle_ | ScottK: OT=? | 22:12 |
| ScottK | Off Topic | 22:13 |
| ScottK | Nothing to do with Kubuntu. | 22:13 |
| apparle_ | ahh.. let it be... not interested.. I was only concerned about kubuntu | 22:13 |
| apparle_ | do I have to install a backend or something for neopmunk? | 22:14 |
| ScottK | Should get it automagically. | 22:15 |
| apparle_ | automaGically=? | 22:16 |
| ScottK | Slang for automatic. | 22:17 |
| apparle_ | then why isn't it working | 22:17 |
| ScottK | Dunno. | 22:17 |
| apparle_ | does it work for you | 22:18 |
| ScottK | It starts. | 22:22 |
| ScottK | Didn't play with it beyond tha | 22:22 |
| apparle_ | the search in dolphin doesn't work for me | 22:24 |
| ScottK | ...t | 22:25 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Hi, Greg says that Kobby/libqinfinity 1.0~beta4 don't work with libinfinity-0.4. He says that the current development branch does and that he can tag a beta for us if it will solve the problem. He's planning on releasing an RC in a month or so. | 22:35 |
| ryanakca | s/an RC/a RC/g | 22:36 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Sounds like that's best (tag a beta). We need to move forward. | 22:36 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Thanks for looking into it. | 22:36 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: OK, I'll get the packages updated with the new beta when it gets done | 22:36 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Thanks. | 22:36 |
| amichair | The graphics in ubiquty's slideshow are very pretty. Who made them? | 22:39 |
| ScottK | shtylman, I believe. | 22:45 |
| ofirk_ | amichair: do you have an online link for the slideshow? I want to see it without downloading the whole iso... | 23:25 |
| amichair | ofirk_: sorry, no. I just started working on ubiquity and couldn't help but notice it. | 23:26 |
| ofirk_ | amichair: thanks anyway :) | 23:27 |
| DarkwingDuck | has nixternal been around? | 23:28 |
| amichair | DarkwingDuck: Nay. | 23:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | ahh, thanks amichair | 23:29 |
| lex79 | ofirk_: apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu | 23:30 |
| ofirk_ | lex79: thanks! | 23:32 |
| ofirk_ | really nice slideshow | 23:32 |
| lex79 | no problem | 23:32 |
| ofirk_ | just noticed that the kubuntu logo isn't up-to-date | 23:50 |
| Riddell | ofirk_: I'm sure you can fix it with your graphic skills :) | 23:54 |
| ofirk_ | Riddell: :) | 23:56 |
| ofirk_ | Riddell: I just don't know how to update the original image | 23:57 |
| ofirk_ | is it somewhere on launchpad? | 23:57 |
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