[00:08] <Tonio_> it's fixed hahaha ;)
[00:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the fix for QT
[00:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I upload to kubuntu experimental ?
[00:15] <Tonio_> I've been tracking this for a year (maybe 2...)
[00:33] <Tm_T> what is QT ?
[01:22] <lex79> Tm_T: Qt library, libqt4
[01:23] <Tm_T> lex79: Qt != QT though (:
[01:23] <lex79> :)
[01:23] <Tm_T> most of the time QT is QuickTime but I assumed that's not what toni meant
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: zomg, akonadi started without complaint
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> Hmm, I'm having a dbus issue with akonadi again
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> How do I register Akonadi with dbus at startup?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: Basically that means akonadi failed to start, with the fact that it failed to register with DBus being evidence to this failure
[03:01] <verbalshadow> OT which did you think is better to use with gmail DIMAP or IMAP
[03:12] <ScottK> Riddell, nixternal: Just accepted -workspace with the last KDE bits for Plymouth smooth transition (slangasek did the package).
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> verbalshadow: if you're using KMail, I'd go with pop3 :P
[03:17] <ScottK> At least on Karmic, dimap is working well for me (but not with gmail, don't use it)
[03:17] <ScottK> Definitely between imap and dimap, use dimap with kmail.
[03:17] <verbalshadow> JontheEchidna: any reason?
[03:17] <verbalshadow> ScottK: good to here
[03:18] <verbalshadow> hear
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> KMail's IMAP support has never been... robust...
[03:18] <ScottK> Well said.
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> pop3 support in kmail has probably been around for a decade, and since it's all synchronous it inheritly has less chance of causing crashes
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> but since imap is all a bunch of asynchronous calls to an imap server...
[03:19] <verbalshadow> will the refactor make it better?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> hopefully
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> though I am starting to lose faith in upstream KDEPIM
[03:20] <verbalshadow> guess i should look at kmail's repo
[03:20] <verbalshadow> JontheEchidna: ??
[03:20] <JontheEchidna> Oh, there have been more decisions that I've not been too thrilled with.
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> KAddressBook 4.4 makes everybody look bad, and there's rumor that KMail+Akonadi won't be ready for 4.5, even though it's been merged in to trunk
[03:21] <verbalshadow> any place i should read up at?
[03:22] <verbalshadow> KAddressBook is useless for me i can't even merge contacts :(
[03:45] <nixternal> oi oi
[04:28] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I guess the question would be how to fix it
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> Hrm, hard to tell without knowing exactly why it's not starting
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> What you need?
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: Here is the error log... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408421/
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> DarkwingDuck: What happens if you run "akonadictl start" manually?
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Oh, actually, look at test 15
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> a nice crash there
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Not sure how to fix that
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408424/
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, same crash. Probably want to file a bug on that. (bugs.kde.org for best results)
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles
[08:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, lex79: It was the worst combo of QA fail ever to be witnessed, spanning across 2 different programming languages!!!!!
[08:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, lex79: last I checked it was usable though
[08:07] <apachelogger> "usable" being - had to install samba AND already knew how to use the horrible UI
[08:07] <apachelogger> IIRC it was a bit of the slower kind but sharing and unsharing worked
[08:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: from what I have seen there 2 quite ugly akonadi startup bugs, I am not sure how to resolve ... one being that it cant register to dbus at times, second that it cant find any agents even though there are like a billion of them in akonadi's own error log
[08:09] <apachelogger> oh, also, if nepomuk is not on for whatever reason, akonadi also whines
[08:10] <apachelogger> not that I would know why it would do that, but oh well....
[08:10]  * apachelogger went to bed at 23:00
[08:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[08:11] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Apr 03 09:13 CEST
[08:11] <apachelogger> yet I am way too tired
[08:11] <apachelogger> maybe I am getting old :(
[08:30] <Mamarok> apachelogger: trying to catch up with me?
[08:32] <apachelogger> Mamarok: on? where? how? :)
[08:33]  * apachelogger is all for catching up :D
[08:33] <Mamarok> you said you were getting old :)
[08:33] <apachelogger> ah ^^
[08:33]  * apachelogger hugs Mamarok
[08:33]  * Mamarok rehugs apachelogger
[08:33] <apachelogger> honey, you are not old, just not as young as JontheEchidna ^^
[08:34] <apachelogger> then again, only quintasan is younger anyway
[08:34] <apachelogger> maybe all of kubuntu is getting old...
[08:35] <apachelogger> those things only become problems when no one cares for new minions :P
[08:54] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/7TVuWGO.html
[08:54] <apachelogger> is that logo in the menu too small?
[08:55] <Mamarok> it's a bit small, but doesn't that depend on the screen resolution anyway?
[08:56]  * Mamarok has a really tiny panel by default on her screen
[08:56] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html
[08:56] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I submitted a bug for it. KDE bug:233132
[08:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I dont think so, because kickoff is thesame size on a small screen as on a large one
[08:57] <apachelogger> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42892603/launcher.png
[08:57] <apachelogger> what looks horrible in the reported issue is that clashing of name and logo
[08:57] <apachelogger> which IMHO is a general problem anyway
[08:57] <DarkwingDuck> only thing that sucks is it making kmail totally unusable
[08:58] <apachelogger> ubottu: kde bug 233132
[08:58] <apachelogger> Mamarok: IMHO the size in http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html is just perfect ^^
[08:59] <apachelogger> not ultimate stylish whitespace surrounding the logo
[08:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you should attach things to bug reports directly rather than using paste services and the like
[08:59] <apachelogger> every bug management software allows attaching of data these days
[08:59] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: roger
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> I'll output it to a txt file and upload it.
[09:00] <apachelogger> hm
[09:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you are on lucid?
[09:00] <apachelogger> all updated and stuff?
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, that's what started it
[09:01] <DarkwingDuck> I was running lucid on my desktop. updated to grab 4.4.2 and kaboom
[09:01] <apachelogger> OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[09:01] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[09:01] <apachelogger> that might be the other case that requires a fix
[09:01] <apachelogger> darn
[09:01] <apachelogger> forgot about that completely
[09:02] <DarkwingDuck> So it's your fault again?
[09:02] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: didnt nixternal tell you, it's always my fault :P
[09:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yup :P
[09:02] <apachelogger> that is a bit of a clumys issue though
[09:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: are you 100% positiv that my recent akonadi fix doesnt help?
[09:03] <apachelogger> i.e. did you restart since last update and all
[09:03] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, I'm check upgrade one last time, I'll reboot and see what it does for me.
[09:03] <apachelogger> k
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> okay, everything updated. Give me a sec to reboot.
[09:04] <apachelogger> cause otherwise I need to touch the mysql package again, and I hate touching that package :P
[09:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: are you on lucid?
[09:05] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yep
[09:06] <apachelogger> Mamarok: wanna test this size real quick? ;)
[09:06] <Mamarok> apachelogger: not right now, compiling VLC 1.1, that takes time :)
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Yup, same issue
[09:08] <apachelogger> meh
[09:08] <apachelogger> Mamarok: well, if you get to it
[09:08] <apachelogger> sudo -- wget -O /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/branding.svgz
[09:08] <apachelogger> then just restart plasma
[09:08] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: well, then, please install mysql-server-5.1
[09:08] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks, I will try it
[09:09] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: then run mysql_upgrade --socket=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket
[09:09] <apachelogger> then restart akonadi
[09:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: as root?
[09:09] <apachelogger> no
[09:09] <apachelogger> the user you run akonadi with
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408513/
[09:11] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: is akonadi running?
[09:11] <DarkwingDuck> shouldn't be... hang on
[09:13] <apachelogger> Database process exited unexpectedly during initial connection!
[09:13] <apachelogger> waaaaah
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> darkwingduck@StCanard:~/projects/Kubuntu/Lucid$ akonadictl stop
[09:13] <DarkwingDuck> Unable to connect to dbus interface of control service
[09:14] <apachelogger> well
[09:14] <apachelogger> since the socket does not seem to be present the mysql server is not starting either
[09:14] <apachelogger> and that should be largely unrelated from dbus or the other crap
[09:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: please tar up .config/akonadi and .local/share/akonadi and send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[09:14] <apachelogger> either your configs are somehow fckd up or your system is :P
[09:14] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[09:15] <apachelogger> ohhh
[09:15] <DarkwingDuck> okay...
[09:15]  * DarkwingDuck has to get creative in sending an email, hang on
[09:15] <apachelogger> 100402 20:47:57 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb
[09:15] <apachelogger> I have seen that error before
[09:15] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you sure have some webmail service you can use? ;)
[09:16] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I setup a google accound when I get my droid.
[09:16] <DarkwingDuck> I just have to remember the password.....
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: sent
[09:21]  * apachelogger starts breaking his akonadi ^^
[09:23] <DarkwingDuck> YOu trying to duplicate it?
[09:23]  * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow
[09:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I think your tables are broken
[09:25] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, is there an easy way to fix/reset that?
[09:26] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: removing the dirs you just sent me will reset all akonadi stuff
[09:26] <apachelogger> dunno how to fix the database alone though
[09:26] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll try that.
[09:26] <apachelogger> maybe mysql_install_db helps
[09:26] <apachelogger> or you wait for me to try it ^^
[09:27] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[09:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:35]  * apachelogger restores backup and breaks all oer again
[09:44] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: that bad?
[09:45] <apachelogger> it is mysql
[09:45] <apachelogger> it was meant to be crap
[09:45] <DarkwingDuck> Ahh, okay.
[09:46] <DarkwingDuck> So, that means there is no easy fix.
[09:46] <apachelogger> nope
[09:46] <apachelogger> dont see how
[09:47] <apachelogger> from what I have read that issue mostly relates to a mismatch between mysql's config and the actual data
[09:47] <apachelogger> note: mysql will fail if a freaking logsize does not match the size in the config!!!!!
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, so, aside form cleaning my system is there way to clean mysql and reset that?
[09:47] <apachelogger> A LOG FILE!
[09:47] <apachelogger> digg that
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[09:47] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it shouldnt happen again
[09:47] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[09:47] <apachelogger> maybe something made mysql go down while it was trying to create the tables
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> But, I still have a farked up system
[09:48] <apachelogger> how so?
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> Akonadi wont start
[09:48] <apachelogger> just wipe those two dirs you sent me
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, okay
[09:48] <apachelogger> then start it manually and everything should be fine
[09:48] <apachelogger> well
[09:48] <apachelogger> aside form an acotional flux where akonadi cant register to dbus
[09:49] <apachelogger> erm ... occasional flux
[09:49]  * apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook, python and mysql make his brain rot away
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> why do we still use mysql?
[09:50] <apachelogger> whatelese would we use?
[09:51] <apachelogger> ...mostly because mysql is the only thing really supported by akonadi upstream...
[09:51] <apachelogger> not that they are much help ... akonadi trunk looks more like a completely new codebase :P
[09:51] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh, I know there are a couple of other FOSS SQL servers out there that are worth something
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: thanks.
[09:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I really dont know why they did not go with postgresql to begin with -.-
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: and darn you... thanks to you helping me I have 2700 emails to sort.
[09:54] <DarkwingDuck> THATS that one
[09:55] <DarkwingDuck> I wonder how hard it would be to change...
[09:55] <apachelogger> though last I talked with one of the responsible dudes he said that they are pondering switching to sqlite
[09:55] <apachelogger> (i.e. an embedded database)
[09:55] <DarkwingDuck> ANYTHING with lite/light in the title get an auto #fail from me.
[09:55] <apachelogger> lol
[09:55] <apachelogger> sqlite is quite good
[09:56] <apachelogger> had performance issues in the past, but those are gone now
[09:56] <apachelogger> well, performance issues with a lotta data ^^
[09:56] <DarkwingDuck> hmm, I look at lite/light the same way I look at "enterprise" and "clouds"
[09:56] <apachelogger> oi!
[09:57] <apachelogger> the cloud is cool
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you cant explain some technical stuff
[09:57] <apachelogger> draw a cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you dont wanna explain some technical stuff
[09:57] <apachelogger> draw a cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> if you dont have no solution at hand
[09:57] <apachelogger> say its going to be solved in the cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> run out of free disk space
[09:57] <apachelogger> move stuff to the cloud
[09:57] <apachelogger> IT IS A SERVICE
[09:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:58] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[09:58] <DarkwingDuck> It's a solution of standing in a circle and pointing left
[09:58] <apachelogger> the cloud could even solve the freaking halting problem
[09:58] <apachelogger> if only people would let it
[09:58] <apachelogger> beware the almighty cloud!
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> Would have solved my mysql problem?
[09:59] <apachelogger> yes!
[09:59] <apachelogger> the data would be in the cloud
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'm sold
[09:59] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[10:00] <apachelogger> ibm.com/cloud
[10:00] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, it's 4am and I know the wife is going to want me to help her unpack tomorrow. So, I'll be back in a few hours. I'm gonna recharge the batteries
[10:00] <apachelogger> searching for cloud pics I get http://t3n.de/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/cloudfront.png
[10:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: good night
[10:00] <apachelogger> "night"
[10:01] <DarkwingDuck> Oh yay! darkwingduck@ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org work. :D Now I can go to bed :P
[10:01] <apachelogger> http://www.frederic.gierlinger.eu/blog/fp-content/images/cloud_computing.jpg
[10:01] <apachelogger> cloud!!!
[10:02] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[10:02]  * apachelogger puts on his bug hunt gear, takes his laser screwdriver and leaves for a hunt
[10:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[10:04] <apachelogger> rofl
[10:04] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[10:04] <DarkwingDuck> With that, I'm off to bed
[10:06] <DarkwingDuck> on another note... why is GRUB2 actually Grub1.98?
[10:06] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: because it is not stable yet
[10:07] <apachelogger> of course ubuntu never carred for that sort of thing anyway
[10:08] <DarkwingDuck> It's not...
[10:09] <DarkwingDuck> hmm...
[10:20] <Tm_T> ok, here comes the results of my upgrade: don't do it unless you like to handle all broken packages and dependencies yourself
[10:20] <Tm_T> just, nuts
[10:22] <Tm_T> I wonder what I still have broken here
[10:22] <DarkwingDuck> Tm_T: Other then a slight akonadi issue that apachelogger helped me with the upgrade went well.
[10:23] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: I upgraded directly from Intrepid to Lucid :-P
[10:23] <DarkwingDuck> In Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[10:23] <Tm_T> I have both -desktop packages installed
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> I'm thinking for a wishlist for the next two years is an installer for LTS to LTS upgrades
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> It will rub the upgrade, check missing dependancies and auto install and configure.
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> s/rub/run
[10:25] <Tm_T> it's not that easy, I'm afraid
[10:25] <DarkwingDuck> If we keep track...
[10:26] <Tm_T> 4 release cycles is plenty of time to change things big time
[10:26] <DarkwingDuck> I just think if we are going to advertise updating LTS to LTS upgrades we need to at least make it easy
[10:26] <Tm_T> even this 3 cycles upgrade of mine wasn't anywhere manageable without big axe
[10:27] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: true that
[10:27] <Tm_T> if done right, it is easy and mostly smooth
[10:27] <DarkwingDuck> I know it wont be easy but, it's not to be done before 12.04
[10:27] <DarkwingDuck> s/not/got
[10:27] <Tm_T> ye
[10:28] <Tm_T> first of all, it has to make sure no old packages can break dependencies, nor stay behind
[10:28] <DarkwingDuck> That's another program apachelogger can take care of ;)
[10:28] <Tm_T> none of current dependency checkers does that
[10:28] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: yeah, he has too short todo at this point anyway (;)
[10:28]  * Tm_T hides
[10:29]  * Tm_T is building Qt
[10:29]  * DarkwingDuck doesn't program except XML and PERL. 
[10:30] <DarkwingDuck> Somehow I don't think that we want an LTS program written in PERL
[10:30] <Tm_T> why not
[10:31] <DarkwingDuck> Last time I wrote a large program in PERL it added 150,000 lines of code on it's own after 6 years...
[10:31] <DarkwingDuck> I swore I made skynet
[10:31] <Tm_T> see, it would fix and create bugs on its own
[10:32] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[10:32] <DarkwingDuck> It was a database and custome BBS... It added soooo much crap. I still have the code trying to figure out what it did.
[10:33] <DarkwingDuck> I don't think it really followed a syntax rule... If it didn't understand or there was an error, it guessed.
[10:33] <DarkwingDuck> It was kinda creepy
[10:36] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, for realz, I'm goign to bed. It's 440a
[10:51] <apachelogger> I do not quite follow
[10:51] <apachelogger> Tm_T: intrepid -> lucid is not supported
[10:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I am well aware (:)
[10:52] <apachelogger> indeed no upgrade path is supported other then intrepid->jaunty->karmic->lucid
[10:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: so dont complain about broken packages :P
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: su, Kubuntu didn't have a LTS?
[10:52] <apachelogger> intrepid = 8.10
[10:52] <apachelogger> .10 is never ever lts
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> But, Hardy was?
[10:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I don't complain (:)
[10:52] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: nope
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> ...
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> Okay sweet
[10:53] <apachelogger> hardy didnt get LTS because of KDE 4 being one second away and KDE 3 old and shabby and unsupportable
[10:53] <apachelogger> though i suppose the idea is to support hardy upgrades never the less
[10:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: just had to do this quickly, and was interested to see how bad it would be
[10:53] <apachelogger> of course I do think that everyone is incredibly unconcerned with all the implications caused by this
[10:53] <DarkwingDuck> However, since 10.04 is LTS then we will ahve to have something in place by 12.04 to support
[10:54] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yes
[10:54] <DarkwingDuck> *nods* great.
[10:55] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: also, didnt you go to bed? ^^
[10:55] <DarkwingDuck> LOL No, I was working on something I was writing about the death of Open Source as we KNEW it.
[10:56] <apachelogger> bug 554039 should be called kubuntu logo is fat and ugly ^^
[10:56] <apachelogger> would be much more fun
[10:56] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[10:56] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: open source is going to die? does cloud open source replace it?
[10:56] <apachelogger> CLOUD OPEN SOURCE
[10:56] <apachelogger> that is a new buzzword
[10:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:57] <apachelogger> owncloud for example is cloud open source
[10:57] <apachelogger> instead of moving everything to the cloud ... lets move it to the open cloud :D
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> No, the idea is it is no longer playing catchup with Microsoft and Apple. It's setting new standards
[10:57] <apachelogger> ah
[10:57] <apachelogger> indeed
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> Just stay out of my cloud
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[10:57] <apachelogger> ^^
[10:58] <Tm_T> whatta...
[10:58] <DarkwingDuck> Open Source for years has been trying to play catchup. Now, it's setting the standards that the "big boys" are trying to emulate
[10:58] <Tm_T> does Qt and Soprano have conflicting build dependency?
[10:58] <apachelogger> bug 554039
[10:59] <Tm_T> unixodbc-dev vs libiodbc2-dev
[10:59] <apachelogger> possible
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger ++
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> That was for fixing m system
[10:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: the cloud?
[10:59] <apachelogger> yeah, it is the ultimate bugfix
[10:59] <apachelogger> :P
[10:59] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[11:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: worth looking into I suppose
[11:00] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, smoke then bed... really
[11:00] <apachelogger> one would think the build stack should be aligned or something
[11:00] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: sure :P
[11:01] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed, care to look? I'm still trying to get this system uptodate
[11:01] <apachelogger> kubotu_: np
[11:01] <kubotu_> apachelogger is listening to "Thunder" by The Prodigy -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[11:01] <apachelogger> Tm_T: no, report bugs and assign them to me :P
[11:02] <Tm_T> then it has to wait until I get this all done, brrrh
[11:02]  * apachelogger is not in the mood to do yet another mind warping packaging activity on a netbook
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: nick
[11:02] <kubotu_> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu_: help nick'
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: help nick
[11:02] <kubotu_> nick <newnick> => change the bot nick to <newnick>, if possible
[11:02] <apachelogger> hm
[11:02] <apachelogger> kubotu_: nick kubotu
[11:02]  * Tm_T goes with libiodbc2-dev and see if Qt fails
[11:02] <apachelogger> silly thing
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: 8ball is judgment day today?
[11:03]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me?
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: cause you are freakin father of skynet I have been told!!!
[11:03] <apachelogger> silly thing^2
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: markov
[11:03] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov'
[11:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov
[11:03] <kubotu> markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about
[11:03] <apachelogger> goodness
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov status
[11:04] <kubotu> markov status => show if markov is enabled, probability and amount of messages in queue for learning
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: markov status
[11:04] <kubotu> markov is currently disabled
[11:04] <apachelogger> omg!
[11:04]  * apachelogger cant remember how to enable ^^
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov ignore
[11:04] <kubotu> ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm
[11:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: chat
[11:07] <kubotu> no in /var/lib/dpkg/info/hicolor-icon-theme.postinst
[11:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: that does not make sense at all :P
[11:08] <kubotu> oh Yes, that one of the checkbox just doesn't make sense to have the skype call window on another cd and friends
[11:20] <apachelogger> bug 554514
[11:25] <apachelogger> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28336#p73835
[11:25] <apachelogger> the
[11:26] <apachelogger> frick
[11:26] <kubotu> the texts on the road and the kde3.5 one doesn't need it for this one doesn't
[11:28] <Mamarok> yay, phonon-backend-vlc works great :)
[12:01] <apachelogger> seele: isn't bug 552709 something reported recently already?
[12:27] <seele> apachelogger: there was a mailing list topic about it, i dont know about a bug
[12:29] <apachelogger> seele: maybe I am thinking about that then ^^
[12:47] <Quintasan> hgnh
[12:48] <ghostcube_maemo> o/
[12:49] <Quintasan> ghostcube_maemo: \o
[12:49] <ghostcube_maemo> :)
[12:50] <Quintasan> ghostcube_maemo: How do you like your n900?
[12:50]  * Quintasan wants one too but he is a poor high school student
[12:50] <Quintasan> oh, dinner
[12:50] <Quintasan> awesome
[12:50] <ghostcube_maemo> its cool. i like the way it works
[12:50] <Quintasan> I want one, gimmie >_<
[12:51]  * Quintasan grabs ghostcube's N900
[12:51] <ghostcube_maemo> heh, i bought it and set my mobile contract to not include a phone
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> so i nearly payed the same now, as i would in 24 month
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> hehe
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> it has some cool gimmicks
[12:52] <ghostcube_maemo> fm transmitter and direct tv out
[12:53] <ghostcube_maemo> iam happy nit to bought an apple thingy
[12:53] <kubotu> bought an tomtom one added it to work
[12:54] <ghostcube_maemo> i have tomtom one too. it sux a bit cause xp doesnt revognize it.
[12:54] <kubotu> it sux then it should go in 4.1.3
[12:54] <ghostcube_maemo> :p
[12:57] <shadesla1er> hmm... i think the recovery option in the grub menu is useless....
[12:57] <kubotu> what's the most visited website in the grub Theme alone is enough market
[12:57] <shadesla1er> \o/
[12:57] <shadesla1er> kubotu speaks?
[12:57] <ghostcube_maemo> who is adding autoanswer on regexp to the bit
[12:58] <ghostcube_maemo> s/bit/bot
[12:58] <shadesla1er> oh btw i got a 1 TB portable hd... :D
[12:58] <kubotu> I think We've got a notification pops up, the old apparmor mysql problem
[12:59] <ghostcube_maemo> ~,~
[12:59] <shadesla1er> hehe
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube_maemo: most likely apachelogger turned on the markov chain plugin
[13:04] <ghostcube_maemo> hehe
[13:04] <kubotu> hehe, there is a doctor so he did
[13:04] <ghostcube_maemo> ok, good to know
[13:05] <shadeslayer> thanks for the 600 MB download in form of package updates...... :S
[13:06] <shadeslayer> gonna take me 5 hours to download..... :)
[13:06] <kubotu> >implying that it look me > 7 hours to live with the current breaks-if-you-look-at-it-the-wrong-way theme.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> kubotu: chat
[13:11] <kubotu> oh so slow
[13:12] <Quintasan> Why do I get the impression that apachelogger is responsible for kubotu talking?
[13:13] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[13:13]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:13] <kubotu> order chistmas cookies for example code often doesn't get changed upstream anyway
[13:13]  * shadeslayer goes and transfers data to new hd...
[13:13] <kubotu> goes and gets published, I think Qt is teh winnah...at work we usual support, no need to upload amarok it'll actually see and go from there.
[13:15] <ghostcube_maemo> quintasan, cause hes bored  i think
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> Wondering if bug 519724 would be an appropriate beta freeze upload
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> (If it is, it would also be nice if a core-dev could confirm the nomination)
[15:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: The idea for Hardy -> Lucid is that we don't officially support it, but because it's supported for Ubuntu and some people have both installed, we should try and fix problems we become aware of.
[15:49]  * ScottK is waiting to hear if any of Tm_T's problems were Kubuntu packages.
[15:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: actually mostly gnome packages, but there were too many to list out
[15:50] <ScottK> Tm_T: Any KDE?
[15:50] <ScottK> IIRC we've been pretty careful about keeping conflicts/replaces and stuff.
[15:50] <Tm_T> only one I remember, that was old knetworkmanager package (versus network-manager-kde)
[15:50] <kubotu> the one I have :)
[15:51] <Tm_T> ...then there was problem with amarok, one file moved to other package
[15:52] <ScottK> That's exactly the kind of problem we need to know about.
[15:52] <ScottK> Do you have the packages involved?
[15:53] <Tm_T> amarokcollectionscanner is the binary that cause the grief, so it's amarok and ... was it amarok-common?
[15:53] <kubotu> indeed I think he had seen Kubuntu, which is the official backports?
[15:54] <Tm_T> kubotu: yes, you are very smart bot
[15:56] <ScottK> This is when more minions would come in handy.
[15:56] <kubotu> maybe this come in kde4.2 ppa in the menu?
[15:56] <Tm_T> amarok-utils is the current location of that binary
[15:56] <Tm_T> and amarok in intrepid
[15:56] <kubotu> but virtualization should work in intrepid is released tomorrow, it is
[15:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: now I remember, one library in kdepim moved to other package too
[15:57] <kubotu> I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I get run even in -ninjas too
[15:57] <Tm_T> which cause conflict
[15:57] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  Need details on that one too.
[15:58] <Tm_T> will try to think, I was without monitor some of the time as system didn't handle all those changes well
[15:58] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[15:58] <kubotu> OK. Thanks. Maybe jtechidna will turn the MI
[16:00] <Tm_T> somethgin related to kdepim-wizards... hmmm
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: got it, /usr/share/kde4/services/kresources/knotes/kolabresource.desktop
[16:03] <ScottK> Tm_T: OK.  And what was it in before?
[16:03] <kubotu> OK. And I'm sure add an Xsession file that had a desktop that runs the distro front and back. On the amarok stuff, cdbs and have 2 notifiers
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: that's in knotes package in intrepid, and kdepim-groupware in lucid
[16:03] <ScottK> Tm_T: Perfect.  Thanks.
[16:04] <Tm_T> other than that, kde was smooth
[16:27] <ScottK> Tm_T: Both fixed in bzr.  Thank you.
[16:27] <kubotu> update-manager-kde does the openoffice kde stuff in bzr. I looked, but that's what
[16:33] <Tm_T> ScottK: great, thanks
[16:35] <Tm_T> oh my, gold linker is fast
[17:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 5
[17:12] <kubotu> lemme take care of that for you
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
[17:13] <kubotu> okay then :)
[17:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[17:13] <kubotu> saving ...
[17:13] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[17:13] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 50 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[17:13] <apachelogger> lets see how that goes
[17:13] <apachelogger> it there someone?
[17:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: as it it with ugprade bugs.... usually they only get reported after the release
[17:15] <apachelogger> so I think the bot doesnt like to talk anymore
[17:16] <apachelogger> poor bot, ended up in total silence ^^
[17:16] <shadeslayer> kubotu: chat
[17:16] <kubotu> I'll wontfix the bug reports :O
[17:16] <apachelogger> weeeh
[17:16] <apachelogger> <3 kubotu
[17:16] <apachelogger> wontfix for all bug reports!
[17:17]  * shadeslayer slides kubotu a cookie
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe...
[17:18] <shadeslayer> stupid USB drive...cant go above 5-6MBps...
[17:18] <apachelogger> is someone friends with a kwin dev?
[17:21]  * apachelogger wants bug 389658 fixed though
[17:21]  * apachelogger wants more branding in general
[17:22] <apachelogger> kde's reference distribution is opensuse :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> <3 bug 554039
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol... its true though :)
[17:24]  * apachelogger thinks that Tonio__ is on a lag run
[17:24] <apachelogger> so
[17:24] <apachelogger> PEOPLE
[17:24] <shadeslayer> we need new logos... nixternal probably has some :)
[17:25] <apachelogger> what do you think about that for bug 351874
[17:25] <apachelogger> set the gtk env var via kdesudo?!
[17:25] <apachelogger> i.e. not copy the config, but just use the user's config
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: or use qtcurve...
[17:26] <apachelogger> read the report :P
[17:26] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:26] <shadeslayer> shortest bug report eva
[17:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: commentstoo
[17:28] <apachelogger> and I say comments comments comments
[17:28] <apachelogger> they are the answer to everything
[17:28] <apachelogger> just comment until no one wants to read the mails anymore and then wontfix
[17:28] <apachelogger> gentoo uses this approach :P
[17:28]  * apachelogger likes it TBH
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wallpaper+Clock?content=119563 << seen this?
[17:29] <apachelogger> its a pythorn software!
[17:29] <apachelogger> but
[17:29] <apachelogger> oh
[17:29] <apachelogger> my
[17:29] <kubotu> now my buttons in konqueror rendered often appears in the configured icon themes)
[17:29] <apachelogger> CLOCKS
[17:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: that is no good
[17:30] <apachelogger> we could rewrite that in javascript
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the site has a pretty amazing wallpaper set though :P
[17:30] <apachelogger> and boot lubyou
[17:30] <shadeslayer> lubyou: easy does it :)
[17:30] <apachelogger> lubyou: could you please stop flooding somewhere?
[17:31] <apachelogger> meh
[17:31] <shadeslayer> i guess not...
[17:31] <kubotu> if testbuild fine I think it didn't FTBFS
[17:31] <apachelogger> so here I am, kubuntu council member, and I cant even lock someone out :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> jussi01: irc team fail :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> all your fault :P
[17:31]  * apachelogger is just glad that we dont get the actual flood ^^
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol... well were getting the mini join and part flood
[17:32] <apachelogger> hm
[17:32] <apachelogger> OMG
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ???
[17:33] <apachelogger> plasmoid download dialog needs UI feedback
[17:33] <apachelogger> I imagine it looks broken on a slow connection, when it is busy downloading content
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the get new hot stuff thing?
[17:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh the new one is much much better
[17:34] <shadeslayer> we probably should have patches using it everywhere....
[17:34] <apachelogger> yay
[17:34] <apachelogger> that clocks thingy just crashed plasma
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: weird... runs fine here :P
[17:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no we shouldnt
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why?
[17:35] <shadeslayer> its obviously much better than the old one..
[17:35] <apachelogger> because patches are evil
[17:35] <apachelogger> and bad
[17:35] <apachelogger> and dirty
[17:35] <apachelogger> and ugly
[17:35] <apachelogger> and stupid
[17:35] <apachelogger> and stoned
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hmm... :)
[17:35] <apachelogger> and join-part-flooding
[17:35] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:36] <shadeslayer_> brb... got to do some work :)
[17:36] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:36] <kubotu> oh dear oh dear
[17:36] <apachelogger> that thing is crap
[17:37] <apachelogger> got a pm/am switch == crap
[17:39] <apachelogger> tsimpson: could we do something about lubyou?
[17:44] <apachelogger> well
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i think jussi01 or Riddell can do the needfull
[17:44] <apachelogger> neither is around
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: #ubuntu-ops :P
[17:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you could go ask in #ubuntu-irc or what their channel is called
[17:44] <apachelogger> they should have permissions in here nowadays
[17:44] <shadeslayer_> sure thing
[17:45] <apachelogger> yet I do not :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: chat
[17:45] <kubotu> and i could fix it, should be obvious awell
[17:45]  * apachelogger could make kubotu markov react on joins and parts :P
[17:46] <apachelogger> some of the var names in kdesudo make me wonder about the point of life
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: same thing with lubyou in #rekonq
[17:47] <shadeslayer_> and #kde...
[17:48] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: had a look in #kubuntu-offtopic in the past hour? its hilarious...
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: in that case you might wanna poke the masters of freenode
[17:49] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yeah i was thinking the same thing...
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: and tell the mighty gods of freenode greetings from me ^^
[17:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hehe :)
[17:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I am not in kubuntu-offtopic, what was so hilarious?
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: its gone way beyong Offtopic.. it should be renamed #Love :P
[17:52] <apachelogger> oh
[17:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: can you paste the log?
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> *beyond
[17:52] <apachelogger> did someone have intercourse?! Oo
[17:52] <kubotu> can someone have to work on porting kita2. At a time via the kubuntu wiki was down :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: sure,but i have only half of it
[17:52] <apachelogger> via irc!!!??
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: we can ask jussi01 or tsimpson for the other part, I think ubottu lurks in there, and I supose ubottu logs all and everything ;)
[17:54] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: probably
[17:56] <jussi01> apachelogger: what?
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: ah finally!
[17:56] <kubotu> ah dangit, those days?
[17:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: look at the join part mess :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: our saviour!
[17:57] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bhUNWUYa
[17:57] <jussi01> 1 sec
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: ##fix_your_connection will now be flooded :P
[17:59] <jussi01> happy now?
[17:59] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: :D
[17:59] <jussi01> shadeslayer_: thats what its for...
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> :P
[18:00] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: did you see the pastebin?
[18:01] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:02]  * apachelogger would have run that in a query and not in -offtopic
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: chat
[18:02] <kubotu> google does tend towards more restrictive
[18:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: lol, and I am god
[18:02] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: told ya... :)
[18:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: thanks
[18:02] <kubotu> (we could try to talk to free memory, and I had a story, fancy tidying it up
[18:03] <apachelogger> jussi01: also, would it be possible using this new magic of you irc people to have the kubuntu council op in kubuntu channels?
[18:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: did you see my message the other day?
[18:03] <apachelogger> the which one
[18:03] <jussi01> apachelogger: re: LART
[18:03] <apachelogger> nope
[18:03] <jussi01> ahh
[18:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart apachelogger
[18:03]  * kubotu puts lye in apachelogger's coffee
[18:03]  * apachelogger is wondering what lye is
[18:04] <apachelogger> jussi01: what was it in particular?
[18:04] <jussi01> I just suggested that you disable it, as we have done across the rest of the ubuntu channels
[18:04] <kubotu> in particular? nedko is checking
[18:04] <apachelogger> hm
[18:04] <apachelogger> I had it disabled until some time ago :P
[18:04] <jussi01> !lart
[18:04] <apachelogger> then I did python programming
[18:04] <shadeslayer_> did anyone notice that 10.10 was announced
[18:04] <apachelogger> which caused immediate need for larting ^^
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add lart to plugins.blacklist
[18:05] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart
[18:05] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: save
[18:05] <kubotu> done
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[18:05] <kubotu> saving ...
[18:05] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[18:05] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 49 plugins loaded; 34 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart jussi01
[18:05] <kubotu> jussi01 are seeing are either frozen or can it go upstream :)
[18:05] <apachelogger> jussi01: happy? :P
[18:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: awesome.
[18:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: that does not make no sense dude!
[18:05] <kubotu> how did you testbuild the new intel standard on modern laptops, it would make no promises of success :)
[18:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: in response to your question, does the kubuntu council have a LP group?
[18:06] <apachelogger> kubuntu-council ^^
[18:06] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: yep :)
[18:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: then yes. You just need to put it on the ircc agenda and we will make a decision - but I cant see us saying no. just a matter of doing it.
[18:07]  * apachelogger thinks kubuntu members should undergo a training course before being appointed members
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 1: learn about the almighty council
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 2: learn about almighty apachelogger
[18:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[18:07] <apachelogger> lesson 3: forget about lesson 1 and consider apachelogger your god
[18:07] <apachelogger> jussi01: k, thanks
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: lesson 4 : just forget lessons 1-3
[18:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: does that make Riddell a demigod?
[18:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: where do i put it on the agenda? ^^
[18:08] <jussi01> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[18:08] <apachelogger> demigod? we aint got no demigods!
[18:08] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i hope the repos have all the kde packages now?
[18:08] <kubotu> I've got no gtk style
[18:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: cheers
[18:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: I am looking into that already
[18:09] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: i thought you were partial to kde? :(
[18:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: why shouldn they?
[18:09] <apachelogger> shouldn
[18:09] <apachelogger> shouldn't
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: just confirming
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> plasma freeze....
[18:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: Just one thing to realise, anyone on the access lists of the support and offtopic chans is required to idle in -ops ;)
[18:11] <apachelogger> gross
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> jussi01: im guessing you know rsync?
[18:12] <jussi01> no
[18:12] <shadeslayer_> :(
[18:12] <kubotu> :( what you mean the KDE libraries are not clickable
[18:12] <apachelogger> zsync is superior anyway
[18:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: they are freakin libraries, how would you click them?!?!
[18:12] <kubotu> something is fishy with that final option when you click it
[18:12] <apachelogger> *sob*
[18:13] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i need to sync folder 1 to my new portable HD
[18:13] <apachelogger> see
[18:13] <apachelogger> 	/* pointer to the new process */
[18:13] <apachelogger> 	p = NULL;
[18:13] <apachelogger> p = NULL;
[18:13] <apachelogger> /* pointer to the new process */
[18:13] <kubotu> /* pointer to upstream author
[18:13] <apachelogger> that is an example of bad var naming
[18:14] <apachelogger> at the moment you need to comment a var to give it meaning, the name of the var is no good
[18:14] <jussi01> apachelogger: probably worth a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements (expectations from ops).
[18:16] <apachelogger> jussi01: it says expected
[18:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Told ya I was gonna crash
[18:16] <apachelogger> not must
[18:17] <apachelogger> that is quite the difference from my POV
[18:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I think you just didnt comment and played killerbots ;)
[18:17] <DarkwingDuck> LOL Fallout 3 actually :P
[18:17] <DarkwingDuck> Had to give my PS3 some love too
[18:17] <apachelogger> uhhh, a fancy graphics lover :P
[18:18] <DarkwingDuck> A console gamer
[18:18] <apachelogger> robots!
[18:18] <apachelogger> kubotu: google robots bsd game
[18:18] <kubotu> Results for robots bsd game: 1. Robots (computer game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_(computer_game) | 2. BSD games - LQWiki: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/BSD_games | 3. File:Robots text screenshot.png - Wikimedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_text_screenshot.png
[18:18] <kubotu> BSD, and others use "include debian/cdbs/kde.mk". What is complicate about them? the archive
[18:18] <apachelogger> hm
[18:18] <apachelogger> I doubt BSD uses cdbs :P
[18:18] <ScottK> killbots is awesome.
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> I was going to Download it for my phone the other dat
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> s/dat/day
[18:19] <apachelogger> bah
[18:19] <apachelogger> bad wiki article
[18:19] <kubotu> bah! you and ScottK run kubuntu
[18:19] <apachelogger> doesnt mention killbots
[18:20] <apachelogger> biased gnome stuff
[18:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you want to run bsd on your phone?
[18:20] <apachelogger> you really want to reconsider this ;)
[18:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, killbots is in kdegames.
[18:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, but the wikipedia doesnt mention this
[18:21] <apachelogger> but must advertise the gnome version
[18:21] <apachelogger> as if it was any better than any other clone
[18:21] <apachelogger> that said, I still find the original version best
[18:21]  * ScottK didn't know a Gnome version even existed.
[18:21] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Robots_graphic_screenshot.png
[18:21] <apachelogger> doesnt look that sexy TBH
[18:22] <apachelogger> meh, sudo is an evil monster
[18:22] <jussi01> apachelogger is sudo... :D
[18:22]  * apachelogger is wondering why one cant except a whole env var from being cleared :(
[18:23] <apachelogger> jussi01: nono, see, that is why we need this kubuntu-member introduction course :P
[18:23] <jussi01> apachelogger: lol
[18:24]  * apachelogger is mathemagician, professional ranter, god, good looking, awesome, cool...
[18:24] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:25] <apachelogger> if sudo was able to not unset the GTK env var we could easily theme sudo'd gtk apps
[18:25] <apachelogger> but unfortuantely... :/
[18:25] <shadeslayer> heh rsync is faster than cp :P
[18:26] <ScottK> Even the first time?
[18:27]  * apachelogger notes that bug 262924 should be closed due to pointlessness
[18:27] <apachelogger> it doesnt really belong anywhere
[18:27] <apachelogger> also I do think this needs to be implemented in ubuntu foundations
[18:31] <apparle> who works on kubuntu firefox integration
[18:32] <shadeslayer> apparle: probably apparle
[18:32] <shadeslayer> i mean apachelogger
[18:32] <apparle> :D
[18:32] <apachelogger> nope
[18:32] <apachelogger> opensuse does
[18:32] <apparle> a great job... I seriously love the fact that I don't have to specify the files
[18:33] <apachelogger> and debfx I think
[18:33] <apachelogger> at least he did the packaging bits AFAIK
[18:33] <apachelogger> so he is to praise
[18:33] <apparle> apachelogger: who decides which themes etc go with the default firefox package
[18:33] <apachelogger> but by general rule I am to blame if something goes wrong
[18:33] <apachelogger> apparle: there dont go any
[18:34] <apparle> apachelogger: why not...
[18:34] <apparle> apachelogger: the default one does not look good at all..
[18:34] <apachelogger> define default
[18:35]  * apachelogger notes that gtk cannot look good anyway
[18:35] <kubotu> notes that the expected type and then I'll see if youe Wine menu properly, or the debian branch into the repos, not on purpose.
[18:35] <apparle> the one which gets installed when I open firefox installer present in the menu of a standartd kubuntu installtion
[18:35] <apachelogger> well
[18:35] <apachelogger> there is no theme in this case
[18:36] <apachelogger> what you get by default is qtcurve-gtk
[18:36] <apachelogger> which stacks oxygen icons upon the gtk stuff
[18:36] <apparle> no I mean... I have installed just a persona and it does look good and goes with the kubuntu theme well
[18:36] <kubotu> no I have a bug for http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/nepomuklog against virtuoso or nepomuk? It's happening on my internal data out!! :)
[18:36] <apachelogger> and that is the only way theming should be done
[18:36] <apachelogger> apparle: I have no clue what you are talking about ... screenshots please
[18:36] <apparle> alright
[18:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: personas are like Firefox themes
[18:37] <apachelogger> so why not call it themes?
[18:37]  * apachelogger doesnt follow
[18:37] <apachelogger> sounds like marketing speech :P
[18:37] <apparle> apachelogger: I myself didn't get that
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well... idk.. but its just a fancy name
[18:38] <apparle> but I liked one so I installed it
[18:38] <apparle> !pastebin
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see :P
[18:38] <apachelogger> must be some silly thing if it got such a silly name
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried rekonq lately?
[18:38] <kubotu> silly thing works on RC2, updating to a democrat
[18:38] <apachelogger> no
[18:38] <apachelogger> using konquer with webkitkde
[18:38] <apachelogger> quite happyily I might add
[18:39] <kubotu> might add that in the fridge had nobody to run the smart solution.
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm... wel rekonq now has the same type of urlbar as with crhome
[18:39] <shadeslayer> *chrome
[18:40] <apparle> apachelogger: see this http://imagebin.org/91472
[18:43] <apparle> Also I'd like to say that you developers have done a great job... the beta I am using is the most stable kubuntu I have seen after gutsy
[18:44] <ScottK> Good to hear.  All the ones after that were crap on stabllity.
[18:45] <apparle> ScottK: not exactly.... previous one was also good...
[18:45] <apparle> apachelogger: what say about the image...
[18:45] <apparle> If only there were no issues of KMS
[18:46] <ScottK> apparle: Karmic and my Intel video don't always get along as well as I'd like.
[18:46] <ScottK> GPU gets wedged every now and then or something.
[18:46] <apparle> ScottK: I have an ATI so I am used to GPU problems in every new release... I rather judge releases on everything except the graphics issues
[18:47] <kubotu> releases on my desktop widgets and such.. Theming is disabled, it is not about
[18:47] <ScottK> apparle: During development I'll apply blame on parts of the stack, but after release, I want it all to work.
[18:47] <apparle> kubotu: what
[18:48] <ScottK> Tm_T: You'll probably want the mountall update that just finished on powerpc before you get adventerous and reboot or anything.
[18:48] <kubotu> I know I was doing now before you melt down
[18:48] <apachelogger> apparle: and that is how firefox looks out of the box?
[18:48] <apparle> ScottK: everyone wants everything to work at a  release
[18:48] <apparle> apachelogger: that's modified with the persona and a google toolbar installed...
[18:49] <apachelogger> see :P
[18:49]  * apachelogger thinks that persona thing comes from firefox package itself though
[18:49] <apparle> apachelogger: wait I'll give a screen shot of default look
[18:49]  * apachelogger also finds it quite worthless
[18:49]  * apachelogger is patching better adblock into kdelibs and kdebase
[18:54] <apparle_> apachelogger: got disconnected.... is this channel logged
[18:54] <apachelogger> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:55] <apparle_> apachelogger: where's today's lo
[18:55] <apparle_> *log
[18:56] <apachelogger> in 04/03 I suppose
[18:57] <apparle_> apachelogger: not there
[18:57] <apparle_> apachelogger: so if you said anything... repeat it
[18:58] <apparle_> apachelogger: see here is the default look http://imagebin.org/91474
[18:58] <apachelogger> apparle_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/03/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[18:58] <apparle_> apachelogger: it does not contain...our chat... 5 min ago
[18:59] <apachelogger> apparle_: so what is so bad about that default?
[18:59] <apparle_> apachelogger: doesn't look as cool as whole of the other KDE
[18:59] <apachelogger> how so?
[18:59] <apparle_> apachelogger: the ubuntu one looks much better
[18:59] <kubotu> what is there a native ubuntu one Music plugin for akonadi :)
[19:00] <apachelogger> how so?
[19:00] <apparle_> apachelogger: it sould be nice and glossy
[19:00] <kubotu> sould be there... but still, it was innocent
[19:00]  * ScottK stares at the samba4 build on hooker and urges it to peddle faster.
[19:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu is not glossy
[19:00] <kubotu> I have never done it once, it is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in kubuntu is "depressingly #255 blue" :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> kubotu: not you :P
[19:01]  * apachelogger needs a cloud he can make compiles in ^^
[19:02] <apachelogger> apparle_: anyhow, what changes do you propose?
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: I just thought maybe the persona could be included in the default firefox installation..
[19:03] <lex79> poor kubotu
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: coz I liked it
[19:03] <apachelogger> apparle_: what perosna?
[19:03] <apachelogger> the one you had earlier?
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: ya
[19:03] <apachelogger> not gonna happen
[19:03] <apachelogger> because that really breaks integration
[19:03] <apparle_> apachelogger: how
[19:03] <apachelogger> + is disturbing for people with visual impairment
[19:03] <ScottK> Nope.  too slow.
[19:04]  * ScottK gets to wait ANOTHER hour.
[19:04]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK and hands him a cookie
[19:04] <lex79> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+(Firefox+Theme)?content=117962
[19:04] <apparle_> apachelogger: ahh... never thought of that
[19:04] <apachelogger> apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P
[19:04] <apparle_> apachelogger: but how does it break integration
[19:04] <apachelogger> apparle_: did you see another KDE app with a gigantic firefox on top? :P
[19:05] <ScottK> Thanks apachelogger
[19:05] <apparle_> apachelogger: no... I am suggesting only about firefox :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> THAT IS WHY IT BREAKS INTEGRATION :P
[19:05] <apparle_> apachelogger: oh...
[19:05] <apparle_> LOL
[19:05] <apachelogger> if firefox looks different than the other apps, what is the point of having it look kdeish altogether
[19:06] <nigelb> there is a kde specific bug that you folks might be interested in, bug 535341
[19:06] <kubotu> this was all disappointing to watch his head swell, he and I have to be a widespread issue, seeing as I said is why the Alpha candidates from Tuesday (when they enter internal testing) rather than the license was changed
[19:06] <apachelogger> what is the point of even having a kde look and feel
[19:06] <apachelogger> we could implement a stlye randomify and start every app with another style
[19:06] <apachelogger> that wouldnt even be terribly difficult :P
[19:06] <nigelb> the patch to fix it is attached to the bug.. anyone willing to get it readY?
[19:06] <apparle_> apachelogger: got the point
[19:06] <apachelogger> k :)
[19:08] <apachelogger> nigelb: how is that kde specific?
[19:08] <nigelb> apachelogger, happens only in kde
[19:08] <DarkwingDuck> I wonder how the text to speech programs are for linux
[19:09] <nigelb> apachelogger, wait, its a bug in gnome because it works around a kde bug?
[19:09] <apachelogger> yes, dont even know if it is a bug in kde 3.1 :P
[19:09] <apachelogger> anyhow
[19:10] <apachelogger> nigelb: needs to be fixed in vim
[19:10] <kubotu> http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt <- ScottK here is to be bugged again -.-
[19:10] <apachelogger> not esepcially related to us
[19:10] <nigelb> apachelogger, ahhh.  /me gets to work on it
[19:10]  * nigelb should learn to read properly.. for a change
[19:11] <apachelogger> nixternal: uhhh, what would be the tune for that song??
[19:19] <apparle_> anyone here who understands jabber protocol / kopete works.. I need some help
[19:19] <ScottK> IME, jabber + kopete != works.
[19:21] <apparle_> ScottK: so why doesn't anyone fix it... for others it seems to work but not at all for me
[19:21] <ScottK> apparle_: No idea.
[19:22] <amichair> is there a list of bugs whose fixing is needed/wanted to make it into lucid?
[19:23] <apparle_> ScottK: that's why I am looking for a guy who knows somethings about them... so if he himself can't ... at least he would be able to guide
[19:23] <ScottK> Probably more luck in a #kde channel of some kind
[19:23] <kubotu> no echos in current version, get it working with ubuntustudio-dev for a virtual interface, there is some kind of stuff that annoys m
[19:24] <Sput> ScottK: jabber + kopete works fine for me
[19:24] <larsivi> apparle_: jabber in kopete works fine for me (gtalk for example)
[19:25] <apparle_> larsivi: that't the problem... I just am unable to reproduce my problem... and I am facing it since, intrepid and it can't be a firewall problem coz psi and pidgin can connect
[19:26] <larsivi> in fact I chatted over it an hour ago, on lucid
[19:26] <ScottK> amichair: My advice would be start of the ones that annoy you, but really most anything that doesn't break U/I or string freeze is good to have.
[19:29] <apachelogger> amichair: see topic
[19:37] <amichair> ScottK: I meant top-priority showstoppers, if any - whatever is most urgent. Maybe what apachelogger said, though I don't see the pattern there (are the low priority bugs high priority too?)
[19:38] <apachelogger> amichair: if they were nominated for lucid then they are at least fixable in time for release
[19:38] <kubotu> fixable in hotkey-setup "Hardy/Gutsy crashes when trying to overwrite org.soprano.Model.xml whitch exist in jaunty (Cannot copy private stuff on there, and I pinged doko, let's hope the Kubuntu Firefox integration :)
[19:38] <apachelogger> so everything on that list should be fixed, since it is fixable
[19:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you get akonadi figured out?
[19:38] <ScottK> That would be a top priority showstopper.
[19:38] <apachelogger> I am not sure
[19:38] <apachelogger> it work
[19:38] <apachelogger> and it doesnt
[19:38] <amichair> apachelogger: what did u slip into kubotu's drink?
[19:38] <apachelogger> it is one pile of bugs wrapped into each other
[19:39] <apachelogger> but I think the most important one is down
[19:39] <apachelogger> amichair: only the good stuff, only the good one ^^
[19:44] <Riddell> evening
[19:45] <ScottK> Good evening Riddell.
[19:45] <apachelogger> omg
[19:45] <apachelogger> our dekroator version is old
[19:45] <apachelogger> like really old
[19:45] <kubotu> bad timing on that one is old and documented ... ohloh sez my sources list or combo of both?
[19:45] <apachelogger> hi Riddell
[19:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know if shtylman is planning on more installer stuff for beta2?
[19:45] <Riddell> gosh, we got slangasek to become a Kubuntu developer
[19:46] <Riddell> ScottK: not that I know of
[19:46] <ScottK> It was a bit of an open question from the release meeting.
[19:46] <ScottK> Riddell: There are several ubiquity bugs milestoned for beta 2.  They ought to be adjusted then.
[19:46] <kubotu> but that seems to be one of 'em
[19:46] <Riddell> mm, release meeting on a bank holiday
[19:46] <ScottK> Not for the release manager.
[19:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: so how do we make slangasek a kubuntu dev?
[19:48] <apachelogger> would bribing with cookies work?
[19:48] <Riddell> we have 9 milestoned bugs tagged with kubuntu none high priority, pleasingly low.  probably most of them are marked as beta 2 but we can change that to rc or final
[19:48] <Tm_T> ScottK: thanks
[19:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: He did the last kdebase-workspace upload.
[19:49] <apparle_> I have never used beta earlier... so when beta2 comes out.. do I just upgrade
[19:49] <apparle_> when is it coming out
[19:49] <ScottK> Scheduled for Thursday
[19:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:52] <Riddell> apparle_: there will be upgrade instructions linked from the announcement on kubuntu.org
[19:52] <apparle_> Riddell: ahh
[19:52] <apachelogger> fixing bug 372379 would violate string freeze
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the biggest worry right now is akonadi, but apachelogger thinks he possibly has that sorted.
[19:52] <apachelogger> I have the most important part of it sorted
[19:53] <apachelogger> akonadi is broken by design, since it uses mysql
[19:53] <apachelogger> that said, does dbusmenu work again?
[19:53] <Riddell> ScottK: apachelogger did uploads of akonadi and mysql which should have fixed the main problem
[19:53]  * apachelogger is wondering if he could streamline the easylist stuff so that it can survive without GUI changes
[19:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think mostly you just need to get nixternal to say it's OK.
[19:55] <apachelogger> no, string changes == untranslated
[19:56] <ScottK> Are they tranlsated now?
[19:56] <apachelogger> no
[19:56] <apachelogger> completely new
[19:56] <apachelogger> and if I understand the code correctly, this just as well work without the GUI
[19:56] <apachelogger> since the functional implementation is in khtml
[19:56] <kubotu> Test daily images to make the thought moot however. _if_ there is no way to work fine in khtml part "Kopete crashed with SIGSEGV on start" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437999
[19:57] <apachelogger> well, first I need to get khtml compiled anyway ^^
[19:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add markov to plugins.blacklist
[19:59] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart, markov
[19:59] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[19:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[19:59] <kubotu> saving ...
[19:59] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[19:59] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 48 plugins loaded; 35 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment, would you please move idjc to multiverse (build-deps on multiverse package)?
[20:08] <Riddell> I can
[20:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thank you.
[20:10] <Riddell> done
[20:11] <ScottK> Great.
[20:12] <ScottK> Does that need a publisher run to take effect or it is ~immediate?
[20:12] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it needs a publisher run
[20:12] <ScottK> OK.
[20:22] <Tscheesy> nixternal: is there a new approach for translations now? and if - is there a howto?
[20:27]  * apachelogger thinks that we should move the window control buttons to the left, like mac osx
[20:29]  * ScottK would thank apachelogger to NOT do that so he doesn't have to deal with hyper ventilating teenagers at home.
[20:30] <apachelogger> but look
[20:30] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/Z3Ohmro.html
[20:30] <apachelogger> it frees up space on the right quite nicely
[20:30] <apachelogger> we could put a blinking pony unicorn there
[20:31] <maco> ScottK: "daddy you bought us a mac?!?!?!"
[20:32] <amichair> blinkingponyunicorn++
[20:32] <ScottK> maco: No, Sylvia said it was fine there on a Mac, because she was used to it, but to move it on KDE would drive her mad.
[20:32] <maco> ah
[20:33] <apachelogger> oi oi oi oi !
[20:33] <apachelogger> ubuntu did not get that idea from mac!
[20:33] <maco> i use the kbd to close windows on a mac so i dont have to remember where the buttons are
[20:33] <apachelogger> it just looks like it because there isnt much space where you could move those buttons
[20:33] <apachelogger> I for one would prefer to have them bottom right
[20:33] <apachelogger> unfortunately there is no space for buttons there :(
[20:34] <apachelogger> also note that the original order was all different from mac!
[20:34] <apachelogger> it was buttons->shiftLeft();
[20:34] <ScottK> No, Ubuntu got the idea for designers who have no thought for the affect of changes on existing users.
[20:34] <ScottK> for/from
[20:35] <apachelogger> http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/194
[20:35] <apachelogger> IMHO ubuntu is becoming osx 2.0 anyway
[20:37] <apachelogger> this khtml compile is driving me mad :S
[20:37] <ScottK> How will we tell the difference?
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: of ubuntu and osx?
[20:38] <apachelogger> ubuntu will have icons that look like oxygen ;)
[20:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, you before and after khtml compiling drives you mad.
[20:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: possibly I will start running around nakkid!
[20:39] <apachelogger> at least in here
[20:39]  * ScottK looks for his darkest sun glasses.
[20:49] <apparle_> I think the screenshot looks good but... it will take time getting used to the buttons on left... after all I have been using them on right for about 10 years now... for you guys it must be more than that
[20:51] <apparle_> How to write those * ScottK looks for .... type messages
[20:51] <ScottK> apparle_: Start the line with /me ....
[20:52]  * apparle_ can also write these type of messages now
[20:52] <apparle_> :D
[20:53] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html
[20:53] <apachelogger> !!!!!
[20:53] <apachelogger> this is so awesome
[20:53] <apachelogger> if we dont make this default I must go to fedora!
[20:56] <jjesse> the unicorn is the greatest
[20:56] <jjesse> love the mac osx theme :)
[20:56] <apachelogger> THAT IS NO OSX THEME!
[20:57] <apachelogger> i just accidently looks like it
[20:57] <apachelogger> s/i/it
[20:57] <apachelogger> I was just moving buttons around, and next thing you know it looked it *a bit* like osx
[20:57] <jjesse> hahaha a bit :)
[20:59] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent !kubuntu 10.04 http://imagebin.ca/view/S2wMq1.html
[20:59] <kubotu> status updated
[20:59]  * apachelogger notes that we actually only recently went from 10.03 to 10.04
[20:59] <lex79> lol
[20:59] <lex79> looks pretty good :)
[21:01] <apachelogger> pretty good?
[21:01] <apachelogger> come on
[21:01]  * amichair wants a pony!
[21:01] <apachelogger> it is incredibly unbelivable awesome
[21:01] <ScottK> With Hannah Montana riding it.
[21:02] <lex79> apachelogger: I want hannah montana on the pony
[21:02] <apachelogger> no!
[21:02] <lex79> :(
[21:02] <apachelogger> but I plan on making it interactable with
[21:02] <apachelogger> it will not only blink
[21:02] <apachelogger> BUT
[21:03] <apachelogger> it will also switch to pink glasses mode upon clicking!
[21:03] <lex79> omg
[21:03] <apachelogger> turns your desktop into fluffy bunny mode!!!!!
[21:03] <apachelogger> can you believe it!
[21:03] <apachelogger> this will be so awesome
[21:04] <apachelogger> [100%] Building CXX object khtml/CMakeFiles/khtml.dir/kcookiejar_interface.o
[21:04] <apachelogger> Linking CXX shared library ../lib/libkhtml.so
[21:04] <Riddell> hjhhh
[21:04]  * apachelogger starts doing things
[21:05] <amichair> does oem-config run only from DVD?
[21:06] <ScottK> No.
[21:06] <amichair> ScottK: How do I do it from CD?
[21:06] <ScottK> Dunno.
[21:06] <promulo> Riddell, hello
[21:07] <Riddell> hi promulo
[21:07] <promulo> I have just submitted my proposal on melange
[21:07] <Riddell> melange?
[21:07] <promulo> the gsoc site :)
[21:10] <Riddell> hmm, I don't see it
[21:12] <promulo> Riddell, try this link http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_proposal/show/google/gsoc2010/romullo/t127032497268
[21:13] <promulo> but in this view you can't post comments
[21:15] <promulo> Riddell, it's pretty much the same of wiki.. I've only updated some terms like "work" you said that day :p
[21:16] <promulo> and added the zeroconf task as you suggested
[21:44] <lex79> I fixed this bug 554011 in bzr
[21:44] <lex79> it was my copy/paste mistake
[21:44] <lex79> ScottK: can we upload or after beta2?
[21:54] <apparle_> apachelogger: so what's decided.. window control buttons on left or right?
[22:08] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[22:08] <ScottK> apparle_: We aren't changing
[22:09] <lex79> ScottK: ok, thanks
[22:09] <apparle_> ScottK: :D why has ubuntu changed it?
[22:09] <ScottK> Because their designers think it's better.
[22:09] <ScottK> They didn't explain why.
[22:10] <apparle_> that's aweful... so what if mac does that.... most people are shifting from windows and they don't like such changes.... because they are already trying to grasp a big change of win to linux
[22:11] <apparle_> moreover have the designers tried using it
[22:11] <apparle_> it takes time getting used to
[22:12] <ScottK> They say don't worry, you'll adjust quickly.
[22:12] <ScottK> #ayatana is the channel some of them hang out it.
[22:12] <ScottK> It's really OT for here.
[22:12] <apparle_> ScottK: OT=?
[22:13] <ScottK> Off Topic
[22:13] <ScottK> Nothing to do with Kubuntu.
[22:13] <apparle_> ahh.. let it be... not interested.. I was only concerned about kubuntu
[22:14] <apparle_> do I have to install a backend or something for neopmunk?
[22:15] <ScottK> Should get it automagically.
[22:16] <apparle_> automaGically=?
[22:17] <ScottK> Slang for automatic.
[22:17] <apparle_> then why isn't it working
[22:17] <ScottK> Dunno.
[22:18] <apparle_> does it work for you
[22:22] <ScottK> It starts.
[22:22] <ScottK> Didn't play with it beyond tha
[22:24] <apparle_> the search in dolphin doesn't work for me
[22:25] <ScottK>  ...t
[22:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: Hi, Greg says that Kobby/libqinfinity 1.0~beta4 don't work with libinfinity-0.4. He says that the current development branch does and that he can tag a beta for us if it will solve the problem. He's planning on releasing an RC in a month or so.
[22:36] <ryanakca> s/an RC/a RC/g
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Sounds like that's best (tag a beta).  We need to move forward.
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks for looking into it.
[22:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, I'll get the packages updated with the new beta when it gets done
[22:36] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[22:39] <amichair> The graphics in ubiquty's slideshow are very pretty. Who made them?
[22:45] <ScottK> shtylman, I believe.
[23:25] <ofirk_> amichair: do you have an online link for the slideshow? I want to see it without downloading the whole iso...
[23:26] <amichair> ofirk_: sorry, no. I just started working on ubiquity and couldn't help but notice it.
[23:27] <ofirk_> amichair: thanks anyway :)
[23:28] <DarkwingDuck> has nixternal been around?
[23:29] <amichair> DarkwingDuck: Nay.
[23:29] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, thanks amichair
[23:30] <lex79> ofirk_: apt-get source ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[23:32] <ofirk_> lex79: thanks!
[23:32] <ofirk_> really nice slideshow
[23:32] <lex79> no problem
[23:50] <ofirk_> just noticed that the kubuntu logo isn't up-to-date
[23:54] <Riddell> ofirk_: I'm sure you can fix it with your graphic skills :)
[23:56] <ofirk_> Riddell: :)
[23:57] <ofirk_> Riddell: I just don't know how to update the original image
[23:57] <ofirk_> is it somewhere on launchpad?