[00:08] it's fixed hahaha ;) [00:09] Riddell: I have the fix for QT [00:10] Riddell: may I upload to kubuntu experimental ? [00:15] I've been tracking this for a year (maybe 2...) [00:33] what is QT ? [01:22] Tm_T: Qt library, libqt4 [01:23] lex79: Qt != QT though (: [01:23] :) [01:23] most of the time QT is QuickTime but I assumed that's not what toni meant === robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek [02:08] apachelogger: zomg, akonadi started without complaint [02:31] Hmm, I'm having a dbus issue with akonadi again [02:40] How do I register Akonadi with dbus at startup? [02:57] DarkwingDuck: Basically that means akonadi failed to start, with the fact that it failed to register with DBus being evidence to this failure [03:01] OT which did you think is better to use with gmail DIMAP or IMAP [03:12] Riddell, nixternal: Just accepted -workspace with the last KDE bits for Plymouth smooth transition (slangasek did the package). [03:15] verbalshadow: if you're using KMail, I'd go with pop3 :P [03:17] At least on Karmic, dimap is working well for me (but not with gmail, don't use it) [03:17] Definitely between imap and dimap, use dimap with kmail. [03:17] JontheEchidna: any reason? [03:17] ScottK: good to here [03:18] hear [03:18] KMail's IMAP support has never been... robust... [03:18] Well said. [03:18] pop3 support in kmail has probably been around for a decade, and since it's all synchronous it inheritly has less chance of causing crashes [03:19] but since imap is all a bunch of asynchronous calls to an imap server... [03:19] will the refactor make it better? [03:19] hopefully [03:19] though I am starting to lose faith in upstream KDEPIM [03:20] guess i should look at kmail's repo [03:20] JontheEchidna: ?? [03:20] Oh, there have been more decisions that I've not been too thrilled with. [03:21] KAddressBook 4.4 makes everybody look bad, and there's rumor that KMail+Akonadi won't be ready for 4.5, even though it's been merged in to trunk [03:21] any place i should read up at? [03:22] KAddressBook is useless for me i can't even merge contacts :( [03:45] oi oi [04:28] JontheEchidna: I guess the question would be how to fix it [04:28] Hrm, hard to tell without knowing exactly why it's not starting [04:30] What you need? [04:32] JontheEchidna: Here is the error log... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408421/ [04:33] DarkwingDuck: What happens if you run "akonadictl start" manually? [04:34] Oh, actually, look at test 15 [04:34] a nice crash there [04:34] Not sure how to fix that [04:37] JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408424/ [04:37] Yeah, same crash. Probably want to file a bug on that. (bugs.kde.org for best results) [04:37] *grumbles [08:06] JontheEchidna, lex79: It was the worst combo of QA fail ever to be witnessed, spanning across 2 different programming languages!!!!! [08:07] JontheEchidna, lex79: last I checked it was usable though [08:07] "usable" being - had to install samba AND already knew how to use the horrible UI [08:07] IIRC it was a bit of the slower kind but sharing and unsharing worked [08:09] JontheEchidna, DarkwingDuck: from what I have seen there 2 quite ugly akonadi startup bugs, I am not sure how to resolve ... one being that it cant register to dbus at times, second that it cant find any agents even though there are like a billion of them in akonadi's own error log [08:09] oh, also, if nepomuk is not on for whatever reason, akonadi also whines [08:10] not that I would know why it would do that, but oh well.... [08:10] * apachelogger went to bed at 23:00 [08:11] kubotu: time [08:11] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Apr 03 09:13 CEST [08:11] yet I am way too tired [08:11] maybe I am getting old :( [08:30] apachelogger: trying to catch up with me? [08:32] Mamarok: on? where? how? :) [08:33] * apachelogger is all for catching up :D [08:33] you said you were getting old :) [08:33] ah ^^ [08:33] * apachelogger hugs Mamarok [08:33] * Mamarok rehugs apachelogger [08:33] honey, you are not old, just not as young as JontheEchidna ^^ [08:34] then again, only quintasan is younger anyway [08:34] maybe all of kubuntu is getting old... [08:35] those things only become problems when no one cares for new minions :P [08:54] http://imagebin.ca/view/7TVuWGO.html [08:54] is that logo in the menu too small? [08:55] it's a bit small, but doesn't that depend on the screen resolution anyway? [08:56] * Mamarok has a really tiny panel by default on her screen [08:56] http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html [08:56] apachelogger: I submitted a bug for it. KDE bug:233132 [08:57] Mamarok: I dont think so, because kickoff is thesame size on a small screen as on a large one [08:57] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42892603/launcher.png [08:57] what looks horrible in the reported issue is that clashing of name and logo [08:57] which IMHO is a general problem anyway [08:57] only thing that sucks is it making kmail totally unusable [08:58] ubottu: kde bug 233132 [08:58] KDE bug 233132 in general "Akonadi crashes during startup" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233132 [08:58] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:58] Mamarok: IMHO the size in http://imagebin.ca/view/dH4wMLLH.html is just perfect ^^ [08:59] not ultimate stylish whitespace surrounding the logo [08:59] DarkwingDuck: you should attach things to bug reports directly rather than using paste services and the like [08:59] every bug management software allows attaching of data these days [08:59] apachelogger: roger [09:00] I'll output it to a txt file and upload it. [09:00] hm [09:00] DarkwingDuck: you are on lucid? [09:00] all updated and stuff? [09:00] Yes, that's what started it [09:01] I was running lucid on my desktop. updated to grab 4.4.2 and kaboom [09:01] OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [09:01] ?? [09:01] that might be the other case that requires a fix [09:01] darn [09:01] forgot about that completely [09:02] So it's your fault again? [09:02] DarkwingDuck: didnt nixternal tell you, it's always my fault :P [09:02] Yup :P [09:02] that is a bit of a clumys issue though [09:03] DarkwingDuck: are you 100% positiv that my recent akonadi fix doesnt help? [09:03] i.e. did you restart since last update and all [09:03] Yes, I'm check upgrade one last time, I'll reboot and see what it does for me. [09:03] k [09:04] okay, everything updated. Give me a sec to reboot. [09:04] cause otherwise I need to touch the mysql package again, and I hate touching that package :P [09:05] Mamarok: are you on lucid? [09:05] apachelogger: yep [09:06] Mamarok: wanna test this size real quick? ;) [09:06] apachelogger: not right now, compiling VLC 1.1, that takes time :) [09:08] apachelogger: Yup, same issue [09:08] meh [09:08] Mamarok: well, if you get to it [09:08] sudo -- wget -O /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/branding.svgz [09:08] then just restart plasma [09:08] DarkwingDuck: well, then, please install mysql-server-5.1 [09:08] apachelogger: thanks, I will try it [09:09] DarkwingDuck: then run mysql_upgrade --socket=$HOME/.local/share/akonadi/db_misc/mysql.socket [09:09] then restart akonadi [09:09] apachelogger: as root? [09:09] no [09:09] the user you run akonadi with [09:11] apachelogger: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/408513/ [09:11] DarkwingDuck: is akonadi running? [09:11] shouldn't be... hang on [09:13] Database process exited unexpectedly during initial connection! [09:13] waaaaah [09:13] :) [09:13] darkwingduck@StCanard:~/projects/Kubuntu/Lucid$ akonadictl stop [09:13] Unable to connect to dbus interface of control service [09:14] well [09:14] since the socket does not seem to be present the mysql server is not starting either [09:14] and that should be largely unrelated from dbus or the other crap [09:14] DarkwingDuck: please tar up .config/akonadi and .local/share/akonadi and send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com [09:14] either your configs are somehow fckd up or your system is :P [09:14] :P [09:15] ohhh [09:15] okay... [09:15] * DarkwingDuck has to get creative in sending an email, hang on [09:15] 100402 20:47:57 [ERROR] Unknown/unsupported table type: innodb [09:15] I have seen that error before [09:15] DarkwingDuck: you sure have some webmail service you can use? ;) [09:16] Yeah, I setup a google accound when I get my droid. [09:16] I just have to remember the password..... [09:20] apachelogger: sent [09:21] * apachelogger starts breaking his akonadi ^^ [09:23] YOu trying to duplicate it? [09:23] * DarkwingDuck raises an eyebrow [09:24] DarkwingDuck: I think your tables are broken [09:25] Okay, is there an easy way to fix/reset that? [09:26] DarkwingDuck: removing the dirs you just sent me will reset all akonadi stuff [09:26] dunno how to fix the database alone though [09:26] Okay, I'll try that. [09:26] maybe mysql_install_db helps [09:26] or you wait for me to try it ^^ [09:27] :D [09:34] Oo [09:35] * apachelogger restores backup and breaks all oer again [09:44] apachelogger: that bad? [09:45] it is mysql [09:45] it was meant to be crap [09:45] Ahh, okay. [09:46] So, that means there is no easy fix. [09:46] nope [09:46] dont see how [09:47] from what I have read that issue mostly relates to a mismatch between mysql's config and the actual data [09:47] note: mysql will fail if a freaking logsize does not match the size in the config!!!!! [09:47] Okay, so, aside form cleaning my system is there way to clean mysql and reset that? [09:47] A LOG FILE! [09:47] digg that [09:47] :D [09:47] DarkwingDuck: it shouldnt happen again [09:47] Right. [09:47] maybe something made mysql go down while it was trying to create the tables [09:48] But, I still have a farked up system [09:48] how so? [09:48] Akonadi wont start [09:48] just wipe those two dirs you sent me [09:48] ahh, okay [09:48] then start it manually and everything should be fine [09:48] well [09:48] aside form an acotional flux where akonadi cant register to dbus [09:49] erm ... occasional flux [09:49] * apachelogger thinks that plasma-netbook, python and mysql make his brain rot away [09:50] why do we still use mysql? [09:50] whatelese would we use? [09:51] ...mostly because mysql is the only thing really supported by akonadi upstream... [09:51] not that they are much help ... akonadi trunk looks more like a completely new codebase :P [09:51] ahhh, I know there are a couple of other FOSS SQL servers out there that are worth something [09:54] apachelogger: thanks. [09:54] DarkwingDuck: I really dont know why they did not go with postgresql to begin with -.- [09:54] apachelogger: and darn you... thanks to you helping me I have 2700 emails to sort. [09:54] THATS that one [09:55] I wonder how hard it would be to change... [09:55] though last I talked with one of the responsible dudes he said that they are pondering switching to sqlite [09:55] (i.e. an embedded database) [09:55] ANYTHING with lite/light in the title get an auto #fail from me. [09:55] lol [09:55] sqlite is quite good [09:56] had performance issues in the past, but those are gone now [09:56] well, performance issues with a lotta data ^^ [09:56] hmm, I look at lite/light the same way I look at "enterprise" and "clouds" [09:56] oi! [09:57] the cloud is cool [09:57] if you cant explain some technical stuff [09:57] draw a cloud [09:57] if you dont wanna explain some technical stuff [09:57] draw a cloud [09:57] if you dont have no solution at hand [09:57] say its going to be solved in the cloud [09:57] run out of free disk space [09:57] move stuff to the cloud [09:57] IT IS A SERVICE [09:57] ^^ [09:58] LOL [09:58] It's a solution of standing in a circle and pointing left [09:58] the cloud could even solve the freaking halting problem [09:58] if only people would let it [09:58] beware the almighty cloud! [09:59] Would have solved my mysql problem? [09:59] yes! [09:59] the data would be in the cloud [09:59] I'm sold [09:59] :P [10:00] ibm.com/cloud [10:00] Okay, it's 4am and I know the wife is going to want me to help her unpack tomorrow. So, I'll be back in a few hours. I'm gonna recharge the batteries [10:00] searching for cloud pics I get http://t3n.de/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/cloudfront.png [10:00] DarkwingDuck: good night [10:00] "night" [10:01] Oh yay! darkwingduck@ubuntu.com and @kubuntu.org work. :D Now I can go to bed :P [10:01] http://www.frederic.gierlinger.eu/blog/fp-content/images/cloud_computing.jpg [10:01] cloud!!! [10:02] ROFL [10:02] * apachelogger puts on his bug hunt gear, takes his laser screwdriver and leaves for a hunt [10:03] apachelogger: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/ [10:04] rofl [10:04] :D [10:04] With that, I'm off to bed [10:06] on another note... why is GRUB2 actually Grub1.98? [10:06] DarkwingDuck: because it is not stable yet [10:07] of course ubuntu never carred for that sort of thing anyway [10:08] It's not... [10:09] hmm... [10:20] ok, here comes the results of my upgrade: don't do it unless you like to handle all broken packages and dependencies yourself [10:20] just, nuts [10:22] I wonder what I still have broken here [10:22] Tm_T: Other then a slight akonadi issue that apachelogger helped me with the upgrade went well. [10:23] DarkwingDuck: I upgraded directly from Intrepid to Lucid :-P [10:23] In Kubuntu or Ubuntu [10:23] I have both -desktop packages installed [10:24] I'm thinking for a wishlist for the next two years is an installer for LTS to LTS upgrades [10:25] It will rub the upgrade, check missing dependancies and auto install and configure. [10:25] s/rub/run [10:25] it's not that easy, I'm afraid [10:25] If we keep track... [10:26] 4 release cycles is plenty of time to change things big time [10:26] I just think if we are going to advertise updating LTS to LTS upgrades we need to at least make it easy [10:26] even this 3 cycles upgrade of mine wasn't anywhere manageable without big axe [10:27] DarkwingDuck: true that [10:27] if done right, it is easy and mostly smooth [10:27] I know it wont be easy but, it's not to be done before 12.04 [10:27] s/not/got [10:27] ye [10:28] first of all, it has to make sure no old packages can break dependencies, nor stay behind [10:28] That's another program apachelogger can take care of ;) [10:28] none of current dependency checkers does that [10:28] DarkwingDuck: yeah, he has too short todo at this point anyway (;) [10:28] * Tm_T hides [10:29] * Tm_T is building Qt [10:29] * DarkwingDuck doesn't program except XML and PERL. [10:30] Somehow I don't think that we want an LTS program written in PERL [10:30] why not [10:31] Last time I wrote a large program in PERL it added 150,000 lines of code on it's own after 6 years... [10:31] I swore I made skynet [10:31] see, it would fix and create bugs on its own [10:32] LOL [10:32] It was a database and custome BBS... It added soooo much crap. I still have the code trying to figure out what it did. [10:33] I don't think it really followed a syntax rule... If it didn't understand or there was an error, it guessed. [10:33] It was kinda creepy [10:36] Ok, for realz, I'm goign to bed. It's 440a [10:51] I do not quite follow [10:51] Tm_T: intrepid -> lucid is not supported [10:52] apachelogger: I am well aware (:) [10:52] indeed no upgrade path is supported other then intrepid->jaunty->karmic->lucid [10:52] Tm_T: so dont complain about broken packages :P [10:52] apachelogger: su, Kubuntu didn't have a LTS? [10:52] intrepid = 8.10 [10:52] .10 is never ever lts [10:52] But, Hardy was? [10:52] apachelogger: I don't complain (:) [10:52] DarkwingDuck: nope [10:53] ... [10:53] Okay sweet [10:53] hardy didnt get LTS because of KDE 4 being one second away and KDE 3 old and shabby and unsupportable [10:53] though i suppose the idea is to support hardy upgrades never the less [10:53] apachelogger: just had to do this quickly, and was interested to see how bad it would be [10:53] of course I do think that everyone is incredibly unconcerned with all the implications caused by this [10:53] However, since 10.04 is LTS then we will ahve to have something in place by 12.04 to support [10:54] DarkwingDuck: yes [10:54] *nods* great. [10:55] DarkwingDuck: also, didnt you go to bed? ^^ [10:55] LOL No, I was working on something I was writing about the death of Open Source as we KNEW it. [10:56] bug 554039 should be called kubuntu logo is fat and ugly ^^ [10:56] Launchpad bug 554039 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu logo is oversized in Kickoff Application Launcher" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554039 [10:56] would be much more fun [10:56] LOL [10:56] DarkwingDuck: open source is going to die? does cloud open source replace it? [10:56] CLOUD OPEN SOURCE [10:56] that is a new buzzword [10:56] \o/ [10:57] owncloud for example is cloud open source [10:57] instead of moving everything to the cloud ... lets move it to the open cloud :D [10:57] No, the idea is it is no longer playing catchup with Microsoft and Apple. It's setting new standards [10:57] ah [10:57] indeed [10:57] Just stay out of my cloud [10:57] :D [10:57] ^^ [10:58] whatta... [10:58] Open Source for years has been trying to play catchup. Now, it's setting the standards that the "big boys" are trying to emulate [10:58] does Qt and Soprano have conflicting build dependency? [10:58] bug 554039 [10:58] Launchpad bug 554039 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu logo in Kickoff is fat and ugly!" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554039 [10:59] unixodbc-dev vs libiodbc2-dev [10:59] possible [10:59] apachelogger ++ [10:59] That was for fixing m system [10:59] DarkwingDuck: the cloud? [10:59] yeah, it is the ultimate bugfix [10:59] :P [10:59] :P [11:00] Tm_T: worth looking into I suppose [11:00] Ok, smoke then bed... really [11:00] one would think the build stack should be aligned or something [11:00] DarkwingDuck: sure :P [11:01] apachelogger: indeed, care to look? I'm still trying to get this system uptodate [11:01] kubotu_: np [11:01] apachelogger is listening to "Thunder" by The Prodigy -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [11:01] Tm_T: no, report bugs and assign them to me :P [11:02] then it has to wait until I get this all done, brrrh [11:02] * apachelogger is not in the mood to do yet another mind warping packaging activity on a netbook [11:02] kubotu_: nick [11:02] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu_: help nick' [11:02] kubotu_: help nick [11:02] nick => change the bot nick to , if possible [11:02] hm [11:02] kubotu_: nick kubotu === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [11:02] * Tm_T goes with libiodbc2-dev and see if Qt fails [11:02] silly thing [11:03] kubotu: 8ball is judgment day today? [11:03] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for apachelogger ... why the hell are you asking me? [11:03] kubotu: cause you are freakin father of skynet I have been told!!! [11:03] silly thing^2 [11:03] kubotu: markov [11:03] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help markov' [11:03] kubotu: help markov [11:03] markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about [11:03] goodness [11:04] kubotu: help markov status [11:04] markov status => show if markov is enabled, probability and amount of messages in queue for learning [11:04] kubotu: markov status [11:04] markov is currently disabled [11:04] omg! [11:04] * apachelogger cant remember how to enable ^^ [11:04] kubotu: help markov ignore [11:04] ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list [11:05] hm [11:07] kubotu: chat [11:07] no in /var/lib/dpkg/info/hicolor-icon-theme.postinst [11:08] kubotu: that does not make sense at all :P [11:08] oh Yes, that one of the checkbox just doesn't make sense to have the skype call window on another cd and friends [11:20] bug 554514 [11:20] Launchpad bug 554514 in akonadi "Kmail crash for akonadi error in XDG_DATA_DIRS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554514 [11:25] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28336#p73835 [11:25] the [11:26] frick [11:26] the texts on the road and the kde3.5 one doesn't need it for this one doesn't [11:28] yay, phonon-backend-vlc works great :) [12:01] seele: isn't bug 552709 something reported recently already? [12:01] Launchpad bug 552709 in kpackagekit "Software Management in Systemsettings (Kubuntu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552709 === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer === effie_jayx is now known as keffie_jayx [12:27] apachelogger: there was a mailing list topic about it, i dont know about a bug === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer === shadeslayer is now known as Guest95587 [12:29] seele: maybe I am thinking about that then ^^ [12:47] hgnh [12:48] o/ [12:49] ghostcube_maemo: \o [12:49] :) [12:50] ghostcube_maemo: How do you like your n900? [12:50] * Quintasan wants one too but he is a poor high school student [12:50] oh, dinner [12:50] awesome [12:50] its cool. i like the way it works [12:50] I want one, gimmie >_< [12:51] * Quintasan grabs ghostcube's N900 [12:51] heh, i bought it and set my mobile contract to not include a phone [12:52] so i nearly payed the same now, as i would in 24 month [12:52] hehe [12:52] it has some cool gimmicks [12:52] fm transmitter and direct tv out [12:53] iam happy nit to bought an apple thingy [12:53] bought an tomtom one added it to work [12:54] i have tomtom one too. it sux a bit cause xp doesnt revognize it. [12:54] it sux then it should go in 4.1.3 [12:54] :p [12:57] hmm... i think the recovery option in the grub menu is useless.... [12:57] what's the most visited website in the grub Theme alone is enough market [12:57] \o/ [12:57] kubotu speaks? [12:57] who is adding autoanswer on regexp to the bit [12:58] s/bit/bot [12:58] oh btw i got a 1 TB portable hd... :D [12:58] I think We've got a notification pops up, the old apparmor mysql problem [12:59] ~,~ [12:59] hehe === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [13:03] ghostcube_maemo: most likely apachelogger turned on the markov chain plugin [13:04] hehe [13:04]