[00:00] <tosho> also no result
[00:03] <tosho> no ideas :-(
[00:03] <tosho> any idea if I can ask somewher else?
[00:04] <sweet> KB1JWQ: Can I ask you another question about a hardware-related problem I've been having mith my IntelHDA sound card?
[00:04] <penguin42> tosho: Tell me about your filesystems
[00:05] <tosho> everything is formatted as ext4. The system is entirely on sda. sdb is the backup disk
[00:05] <tosho> That's what you wanted to know?
[00:05] <penguin42> tosho: Can you put the output of /proc/mounts in a pastebin ?
[00:05] <tosho> Aehm, what is a pastebin? I'm new to IRC
[00:06] <penguin42> tosho: Paste it into here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:06] <penguin42> tosho: It'll give you a URL, tell me the URL
[00:06] <tosho> OK plz wait
[00:07] <tosho> it' here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/408347/
[00:08] <penguin42> tosho: OK, and what are you trying to unmount ?
[00:09] <sweet> tosho another method cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | pastebinit
[00:09] <sweet> tosho: sry it should've been cat  /proc/mounts | pastebinit
[00:09] <KB1JWQ> !ask | sweet
[00:09] <penguin42> tosho: Had use NFS exported the directory you are trying to unmount?
[00:09] <penguin42> Had you
[00:10] <sweet> ubottu: sry I'm new to IRC will do that
[00:10] <crimsun> kjele: no, why would it? You're the active seat when it's invoked...
[00:12] <penguin42> oh well
[00:13] <kjele> crimsun: I am sort of confused to what mck does then
[00:13] <sweet> I'm having a problem with my IntelHDA soundcard which uses Realtek 275, I can't use my intergrated mic nor my line in.
[00:15] <tosho> sorry. kicked mysqlf out with ctrl-alt backspace. Me fool :-)
[00:15] <tosho> patebin is here http://pastebin.com/pfhdssgd
[00:16] <crimsun> kjele: the active seat is granted permission to certain devices. This allows per-user runtime "sessions" of device settings.
[00:16] <penguin42> tosho: Now, which one are you trying to unmount? And I see you used NFS - did you NFS export it?
[00:16] <tosho> I'm trying to unmount /backup
[00:17] <penguin42> tosho: OK, and had you NFS exported it?
[00:17] <crimsun> kjele: e.g., users A and B will have different audio sessions. User A logs in, has access to the sound(, etc.) device(s), plays a music file, switches to user B, whereupon A's sound state is saved and suspended, and now B has access to the sound device(s).
[00:17] <kjele> crimsun: So without the mck module I will not have that feature?
[00:17]  * penguin42 thinks it best not to ask about multiple simultaneous sessions on different sound hardware
[00:18] <crimsun> sweet: please use ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev and install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r), then reboot and run http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[00:18] <crimsun> sweet: I'll probably need you to file a bug after all that
[00:18] <tosho> It's in my NFS list, but not mounted by anyone. But I can also access it with my nfs-mount to the root directory with crossmount
[00:18] <crimsun> kjele: correct
[00:18] <penguin42> tosho: OK, so assuming nothing is using it, that's your problem - if it's NFS exported you can't unmount it
[00:19] <penguin42> tosho: Do a exportfs -u /backup and then try unmounting it
[00:19] <tosho> I have this setup for a longer time now without problems until upgrded to 10.04
[00:19] <kjele> crimsun: Ok I will create a user and test.
[00:19] <penguin42> tosho: Then I don't know what changed, but if it is nfs exported you can't unmount it
[00:20] <sweet> crimsun: ok, give me a sec
[00:20] <tosho> exportfs -u /backup says "Invalid unexporting option: /backup" (but it's in my exports file)
[00:21] <penguin42> tosho: Please /sbin/showmount -e | pastebinit
[00:21] <tosho> http://pastebin.com/GGHzrM2y
[00:22] <penguin42> tosho: Did that include the -e ?
[00:22] <tosho> no, sorry
[00:23] <tosho> http://pastebin.com/GbVf0T94
[00:23] <tosho> 192.168.222.22 is the maschine I'm sitting on. 20 is the server
[00:23] <penguin42> tosho: OK, yes you need to unexport it
[00:25] <penguin42> tosho: Try exportfs -u 192.168.222.0/24:/backup and do the showmount -e again
[00:26] <tosho> Hey, Whow! that worked (while exportfs - /backup didn't)
[00:26] <tosho> Now I can umount /backup
[00:26] <kjele> Anyone getting passwd: System error when creating a new user?
[00:26] <tosho> But strange anyway. before that wasn't nessesary
[00:27] <penguin42> tosho: I suspect it was something before you hadn't actually exported it or you had started the export prior to really mounting the disk so weren't really exporting the right thing?
[00:28] <Again617> kjele, I also have been having trouble with creating users and logging in as them
[00:28] <kjele> Again617: Figure out that you need to enable the user in user and groups :S Kinda strange
[00:29] <tosho> penguin42. Now that you say it explicit I remember that you where right. I allways accessed the /backup via the root nfs mount  :-)
[00:29] <Again617> hmm... I'll see but I created the user using the User and Groups tool but am unable to login as the user
[00:29] <tosho> Thanks a lot for your help
[00:29] <Again617> chmod the folder as correct user:group didn't help
[00:30] <Again617> ...you're right.  For some reason the users were disabled.  Thanks kjele
[00:30] <kjele> Again617: This is vexing it says to to enable but it won't enable
[00:32] <johnnyCbad> Songbird just dropped support for the linux version
[00:32] <Draglor> Again617: you are using adduser or useradd?
[00:32] <Draglor> adduser is the more comfortable way ;)
[00:33] <kjele> Draglor: I am using adduser he is using the gui
[00:33] <Draglor> the gui thing was broken some time before, don't know how it's now
[00:34] <LinuxGuy2009> How do I enable netbook remix after i installed the meta package?
[00:37] <jimerickson> aptitude removed gnome-shell. i am sad.
[00:39] <LinuxGuy2009> Hmm kinda cool they put the switcher for netbook mode in the session selector on the login screen. Neat.
[00:41] <sweet> crimsun: I'm having trouble to add the ppa to my repo, could you help me out (running latest lucid build)
[00:42] <kjele> sweet: add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[00:45] <kjele> ok anyone can change their password using passwd?
[00:47] <kjele> crimsun: Seems there is a bug with passwd so I will test when I can add a user
[00:50] <avis> that ubuntu-audio-dev ppa sure allowed me to use the sound card i had hoped to keep on ubuntu.  i do some shopping on itunes, and would rather my ubuntu box be my personal workstation.  i've had to help my father with all sorts of horrible issues with his laptop, because his free AV wasn't sufficient.  not a nice way to dedicate your day, but sure learned windows is still horrid
[00:51] <sweet> crimsun: hmm, guess I'm stuck 'E: Couldn't find package linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-19-generic'
[00:51] <sweet> kjele: thanks
[00:54] <Again617> What is desktopcouch-service?  Very often it eats up 99% cpu according to top
[00:55] <sweet> kjele: I was able to solve my passwd-problem with sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow libpam-runtime, be sure you disable Winbin NT/AD auth.
[01:02] <smeuuh> right, I've got a _very_ nasty bug with fsck
[01:02] <smeuuh> it fails and I can't boot
[01:03] <smeuuh> that's even using recovery mode
[01:03] <smeuuh> so basically the only option I have is to edit the grub command line
[01:03] <smeuuh> any idea ?
[01:04] <smeuuh> to be specific - fsck says it has some bad inconsistencies and needs to be run manually, and for some reason ubuntu keeps running it again and again
[01:07] <gatlin> what changed between alpha 3 and beta 1 that would cause the system to not boot? and how could I try out the live cd (daily or beta) without plymouth (as was suggested previously)?
[01:09] <alex_mayorga> libparted-2.1-0: Conflicts: libparted0 but 2.2-1ubuntu4 is to be installed ??
[01:09] <alex_mayorga> libparted1.8-12: Conflicts: libparted0 but 2.2-1ubuntu4 is to be installed ???
[01:09] <alex_mayorga> what now?
[01:09] <smeuuh> how can I boot in single user mode in lucid ?
[01:10] <smeuuh> I knew how to do that in previous versions, it doesn't seem to work anymore
[01:18] <umachi> With Lucid my brightness controls don't work. I don't even have the brightness files in /proc/acpi/video/* .... Any fixes?
[01:20] <minimec>  smeuuh Press left <shift> button before grub starts the booting process. left <shift> replaces <esc>
[01:20] <smeuuh> minimec: right, I did that
[01:21] <smeuuh> but then it doesn't seem to do anything when I add single at the end of the "linux" line
[01:21] <smeuuh> it seems ubuntu _really_ insists on running fsck, which hangs my system
[01:21] <smeuuh> I can't get to a shell
[01:22] <minimec> smeuuh: If you boot in recovery mode...
[01:23] <smeuuh> minimec: still runs fsck
[01:23] <alex_mayorga> umachi: Bug #551668
[01:23] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: you want libparted0 for certain.
[01:24] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: thanks, fetching it
[01:24] <umachi> alex_mayorga: that seems slightly different than my bug, the notify-osd doesn't even show up when i press the buttons in lucid
[01:24] <alex_mayorga> umachi: I see, different thing then
[01:28] <avis> if i have linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-18-generic-pae installed will the modules transfer to a newer kernel ?
[01:29] <crimsun> avis: once brad pulls my commit and reuploads, yes
[01:30] <crimsun> there's a slight desync currently
[01:31] <avis> i believe my last update loaded a newer kernel.  is there any way i can select the 32-18 as being the default boot kernel, say, through a gui ?
[01:32] <Again617> What is desktopcouch-service?  Very often it eats up 99% cpu according to top
[01:36] <gatlin> if I'm not mistaken, desktopcouch-service is a daemon providing userland access to the couchdb which Ubuntu is moving to for application data storage
[01:37] <Again617> thanks
[01:37] <gatlin> I think desktopcouch is some scheme allowing multiple apps to interface with the one database instance.  That part might be total bullshit, I read about this a while ago
[01:40] <gatlin> incidentally, does anyone know how I could disable whatever was introduced between alpha3 and beta1 which causes the bootsplash to never go away and thus not allow me to boot into my system?
[01:40] <gatlin> someone once suggested disabling plymouth but I'm not entirely sure how to remove that from the live cd
[01:40] <gatlin> I'm on amd64, nforce chipset I believe
[01:42] <pac1> I'm on i386 and I get only the two screens on booting.  then freezes.  I see the initial screen and the one with the five dots.  eventually the dots stop moving.
[01:42] <gatlin> pac1: same here
[01:42] <gatlin> I have a dualhead setup with an nvidia [insert relatively recent model] card
[01:43] <pac1> nvidia here too.
[01:43] <gatlin> though disabling one monitor / blacklisting nouveau didn't seem to do the trick
[01:43] <pac1> dual monitor too.
[01:43] <gatlin> hm, I smell something fishy
[01:44] <pac1> on one monitor I see error message about invalid user (0)
[01:44] <pac1> other monitor has splash screens
[01:44] <gatlin> I believe I have something similar (not going to reboot right now to check)
[01:44] <gatlin> I can hit escape and see something about an error with setuid
[01:45] <pac1> how do you go about debuging a live cd/dvd?
[01:47] <pac1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[01:47] <pac1> says to use the daily-live/current.
[01:48] <DSpair> Hello all.
[01:48] <pac1> 10 minutes to download, 5 more to burn, 2 to reboot and try an install.
[01:49] <pac1> gatlin, I'll be back in about 20.
[01:49] <DSpair> I'm trying to trace an issue with the user switcher. Many times when my wife and I switch accounts on my Lucid box, it just goes to a black screen with a white cursor. Many of the times that happens, I cannot even switch veritual terminals to VT1 in order to restart GDM. Any ideas?
[01:54] <pac1> DSpair, what graphics?
[01:55] <gatlin> bump?
[01:55] <gatlin> bah, xchat didn't scroll down
[01:56] <alex_mayorga> another kerneloops out of the blue
[01:57] <alex_mayorga> apport says "incorrect padding" what's that?
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> can you eject a blank CD using the eject button on nautilus?
[01:58] <gatlin> pac1: the bug has been fixed as of today's daily-live/current?
[01:59] <pac1> great which bug # was it?
[01:59] <alex_mayorga> Bug #554339 FWIW
[02:01] <pac1> no not that one.
[02:01] <gatlin> pac1: were you asking me?
[02:01] <pac1> gatlin, yah.
[02:01] <gatlin> because I was asking you a question :P
[02:01] <gatlin> this conversation is getting hairy, I thought you were advising me to try the daily-live/current release which would fix our problem
[02:01] <gatlin> and I was just confirming / wondering what the BFD was
[02:02] <pac1> gatlin, sorry I misunderstood.  I am about to try daily.
[02:02] <pac1> I'll be back in a few minutes to let you know how it went.
[02:02] <gatlin> godpseed
[02:02] <pac1> thanks.
[02:02] <pac1> actually 4x...
[02:02] <gatlin> zing!
[02:03] <pac1> In the beginning was the word... or was it a byte?
[02:03] <neezer> when I installed I wasn't given an option to choose where my partition begins. I have an SSD that I installed my 10.04 on, and I am under the impression that I want it to start at sector 128 or 256.
[02:03] <pac1> rebooting.
[02:11] <pac1> gatlin, same effect.
[02:14] <gatlin> I don't even know where I would report the bug on Launchpad
[02:14] <DSpair> Sorry, the wife was asking for some help with chores.
[02:14] <gatlin> nobody in the channels ever seem to know what it might be other than the one bite I had with plymouth
[02:14] <gatlin> so I guess we're stuck unless it magically gets fixed
[02:14] <DSpair> It's an ATI Radeon HD 3200
[02:14] <gatlin> this seems like an odd regression for an LTS release
[02:15] <DSpair> It looks like bug #352056 is the same indications.
[02:16] <pac1> gatlin, what's plymouth?
[02:18] <gatlin> graphical boot animation and logger
[02:19] <gatlin> what it needs to do is hand off to gdm but it's not doing that correctly
[02:20] <pac1> any way to keep it from getting control when you boot from cd?
[02:20] <gatlin> I'm not sure, that's what I was trying to ask when I came in the channel
[02:21] <pac1> where do the folks who put together the daily's hang out on irc?
[02:22] <gatlin> again, I'm not entirely certain
[02:24] <gatlin> pac1, if you find out, though, do tell me
[02:24] <pac1> I just asked a question on ubuntu-dev.
[02:25] <pac1> I'd like to know how to collect info for submitting a bug from the live cd environment?
[02:25] <pac1> do you use any virtualization stuff?
[02:26] <gatlin> I do not
[02:33] <DSpair> Anyone have experience using the ATI proprietary drives on Lucid?
[02:33] <DSpair> s/drives/drivers/
[02:35] <arand> pac1: Is it just todays daily or are you able to boot the second-latest, beta1 isos?
[02:37] <pac1> I'm not able to boot any of them.
[02:37] <gatlin> arand: I think pac1 and I have the same problem, and my problems started between alpha3 and beta1
[02:38] <gatlin> can't speak for pac1 though
[02:38] <pac1> arand,  I get glib Warning get p0uid_r() failed due to unknown user id
[02:39] <gatlin> me three
[02:41] <pac1> how do you use options with a live cd?
[02:41] <arand> Bug #531027
[02:42] <arand> Bug #532984
[02:42] <arand> ↑↑ Are those relevant?
[02:42] <pac1> arand, yeah that one.
[02:42] <pac1> happens on boot from beta1 and from daily i386
[02:43] <pac1> and x64
[02:43] <pac1> hang on whilst I try something. brb.
[02:46] <neezer> does anyone know how to trim a SSD with 10.04?
[03:04] <arand> gatlin: I'm afraid i don't know enough to give any good suggestion for error/debug-info-collection, and it seems to be that this hour is a very quite one all over the ubuntu chanels, leaving some info on the bug reports and subscribing to the for any changes is probably a good idea, also might be more help around here at some other time of day/week.
[03:05] <gatlin> of course
[03:05] <gatlin> I'm not meaning to come off as entitled or pushy, if I am.
[03:05] <gatlin> just making sure that absolutely nobody has any ideas :)
[03:06] <sid7> hey guys i was wondering if any one was running ubuntu netbook remix ?
[03:06] <sid7> could some one post their lsb_release output
[03:06] <sid7> i think i need to modify /etc/lsb-release as do-release-upgrade doesnt seem to work
[03:06] <arand> gatlin: And I didn't mean to come off as accusing you of either :)
[03:06] <gatlin> arand: sweet, let's be friends
[03:08] <gatlin> but judging from the description of the problem, am I wrong to start hassling, er, inquiring with the plymouth people?
[03:11] <arand> gatlin: plymouth is my initial hunch as well, but that is simply due to almost every half of lucid's problems being plymouth-related in some way (well, maybe not, but that's the impression).
[03:11] <viator> whys my boot splash say lubuntu  lol
[03:13] <arand> viator: Have a look at Bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/550237 plymouth issues... :D Instructions for restoration on bug description.
[03:13] <arand> viator: it is valid for lubuntu as well.
[03:19] <viator> installed mypaint from the repos
[03:19] <viator> doesnt seem to work
[03:19] <viator> lemme launch from cli see what happens
[03:19] <pac1> arand,
[03:19] <pac1> gatlin,
[03:20] <pac1> I unplugged my second monitor and was able to boot and install.
[03:20] <viator> when i boot i get some error messi about wmid devies or whatnot
[03:20] <viator> but i dont see that in the log]
[03:20] <eyezen> hi all...is lucid going to be a go?  anything that says "dont isntall"
[03:20] <eyezen> *install
[03:20] <pac1> gatlin, is your second monitor the same resolution as the first?
[03:22] <sid7> could someone running ubuntu netbook remix post their lsb_release output
[03:23] <arand> pac1: Please make a note of that on the bug report, that's at least a very good thing to narrow the amount of possible casues.
[03:24] <gatlin> pac1: it is not
[03:25] <sid7> could someone running ubuntu netbook remix post their lsb_release output
[03:25] <gatlin> if I'm not mistaken, unplugging one of my monitors did not help
[03:27] <pac1> gatlin, same as me then.
[03:27] <pac1> try unplugging the one with the dvi connection and installing.
[03:27] <gatlin> they're both dvi
[03:28] <pac1> ok then the one that's 1080P
[03:28] <gatlin> alrighty
[03:28] <pac1> arand, how exactly do I go about submitting a bug against the lucid installer?
[03:29] <ddecator> ubiquity?
[03:31] <arand> pac1: If you are seing an issue similar to the the reports I linked earlier it would probably be best to provide you infor there, otherwise if you have the system running "ubuntu-bug ubiquity", but since it's impossible to boot I wouldn't say it's the installer application specifically, it seem more likely to be down to video drivers/plymouth/gdm/the linux kernel, which I don't know though...
[03:33] <pac1> arand, I've got a feeling you've hit it right.  If this is'nt fixed, a lot of people are going to be unhappy with lucid.
[03:34] <pac1> dual monitors is much more common than it used to be.
[03:34] <arand> pac1: Yes, indeed.
[03:34] <gatlin> I'm actively working on another project or I would be investigating this more myself, but
[03:34] <xfact> Hello
[03:34] <gatlin> is the current option to basically remove the bigger of the two monitors and try again with one head?
[03:35] <pac1> gatlin. that is the first thing I tried and it worked.  I don't know if it matters which monitor.  It probably does not matter.
[03:35] <DSpair> Why do I not get the option to use the fglrx driver under Lucid?
[03:36] <Stik> hell yeah... goat ringtone kicks ass
[03:38] <pac1> later folks. bedtime.
[03:52] <h00k> So, Brittany's netbook has a bug on the Netbook Edition, I'm wondering what package to report it against.
[03:52] <h00k> It's the...clutter interface
[03:54] <viator> i tried looking for an error messg at boot timw from the cli with dmesg | less
[03:55] <viator> but i dont see the error message there
[03:55] <viator> where else could i look
[03:58] <arand> viator: /var/log has most of the log files "sudo grep -rl "message" /var/log" might work, also ~/.xsession-errors* might have something...
[03:59] <h00k> what is the name of the package to report a bug against for the Netbook Edition clutter interface?
[04:04] <arand> h00k: netbook-launcher would be my guess "aptitude search netbook" description looks like it, more infor with "aptitude show ..."
[04:11] <DSpair> Any idea as to why when I enable the radeon driver on my Lucid desktop that everything is upside-down and backwards?
[04:13] <h00k> arand: right, that's what I'll do
[04:13] <h00k> arand: I'll file a bug probably tomorrow, when I might have some more time
[04:23] <aprilhare> how do i reinstall gnome-blackjack?
[04:26] <almoxarife> aprilhare: there is some complicated terminal program you can use, or you can use synaptic, find it and click and install
[04:29] <aprilhare> almoxarife: why was it removed on upgrade anyways
[04:30] <Sioux-33> what udev version is installed in lucid?
[04:31] <almoxarife> aprilhare: no idea
[04:31] <arand> aprilhare: Did you do a full-upgrade/dist-upgrade?
[04:32] <avis> anyone know how to print to fax using ubuntu ?  with a modem
[04:32] <avis> say, openoffice docs
[04:33] <Sioux-33> hi i have problem with udev in lucid i want to downgrade it to if is possible  version 147 6.0 the same like in karmic cos just this udev version working propelly for me does anyone know how to downgrade udev in lucid?
[04:33] <almoxarife> avis: you want to print to tiff format?
[04:33] <avis> almoxarife, no, i want my fax modem to be a printer choice system-wide
[04:34] <avis> rather user wide
[04:34] <almoxarife> avis: do you already see it in 'printers'?
[04:34] <avis> its a modem.  it wouldn't be there in printeres would it ?
[04:35] <almoxarife> avis: no I would guess not, how does one print to a fax machine?
[04:36] <avis> its very easy to do under windows.  i'd rather not have to use windows for faxes i need to print
[04:36] <almoxarife> avis: you want to send to fax, I get it
[04:36] <avis> send to fax modem right  as a printer choice
[04:37] <Sioux-33> hi i have problem with udev in lucid i want to downgrade it to if is possible  version 147 6.0 the same like in karmic cos just this udev version working propelly for me does anyone know how to downgrade udev in lucid?
[04:38] <almoxarife> avis: does ubuntu recognize your fax modem?
[04:38] <avis> almoxarife, yes
[04:38] <almoxarife> avis: where is it recognized?
[04:39] <avis> lspci
[04:39] <BadHorsie> Trying to work on lucid, it tries to install linux-image-2.6.32-19-generic (I'm on AMD64 btw), it goes to upgrade-grub Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ... expr: non-numeric argument and update-grub ends with value 2
[04:40] <Sioux-33> hi i have problem with udev in lucid i want to downgrade it to if is possible  version 147 6.0 the same like in karmic cos just this udev version working propelly for me does anyone know how to downgrade udev in lucid?
[04:41] <almoxarife> avis: you searched thru synaptic for options?
[04:41] <avis> i'll search apt-cache
[04:44] <Sioux-33> hi i have problem with udev in lucid i want to downgrade it to if is possible  version 147 6.0 the same like in karmic cos just this udev version working propelly for me does anyone know how to downgrade udev in lucid?
[04:45] <almoxarife> avis: efax-gtk looks promising?
[04:45] <avis> trying to get gfax to work.  seems to be a bug in it
[04:45] <avis> it simply closes
[04:48] <almoxarife> avis: ubuntu sees my hp-fax by default, you have missing drivers/.?
[04:49] <avis> ooh, none of my fax cards are plugged in at the moment, maybe that'll help gfax spawn
[04:50] <avis> previously, one of them was detected under lspci
[04:56] <BadHorsie> On my problem with update-grub the problem was using default saved, if I set it default 0 it works correctly, that was what expr was complaining about, not sure who should I address this behavior to, using grub 0.97
[04:56] <BadHorsie> (default saved on /boot/grub/menu.lst of course)
[04:56] <ninjai_> I dont like how the new grub works
[04:56] <BadHorsie> I wonder how's grub2
[04:57] <ninjai_> i dont understand why they would make you run a command to update it.
[04:57] <BadHorsie> Well, time for me to try 2.6.33-2 *crosses fingers*
[04:58] <Sioux-33> hi i have problem with udev in lucid i want to downgrade it to if is possible  version 147 6.0 the same like in karmic cos just this udev version working propelly for me does anyone know how to downgrade udev in lucid?
[04:59] <BadHorsie> Wow there's an ubuntuforums entry for 2007 on that same issue lol
 are u talking about udev?
[05:07] <BadHorsie> Sioux-33: sadly not, about update-grub
[05:08] <Sioux-33> k
[05:09] <discord> I installed libdvdcss, but still cannot watch DVDs
[05:10] <discord> does anybody know what the problem is? do i need to file a bug report?
[05:14] <discord> DVDs
[05:18] <flyingtabmow> does anyone know why .xsession never gets run?
[05:20] <alex_mayorga> just got bitten by Bug #552654 should I apport more data into it?
[05:36] <zinox> virtualbox-ose-dkms package is not working in lucid cat Makefile
[05:36] <zinox> .NOTPARALLEL:
[05:36] <zinox> obj-m = vboxdrv/ vboxnetflt/ vboxnetadp/
[05:36] <zinox> i did not understand it Makefile
[05:38] <alex_mayorga> is there a package that would do test autocompletion all over the gnome desktop?
[05:41] <alex_mayorga> too lazy? :)
[05:46] <BadHorsie> alex_mayorga: I believe gnome-do does that to some extent, not sure if that's enough for you
[05:47] <alex_mayorga> BadHorsie: that one I know, I was thinking something like T9 or similar from cell phones
[05:54] <leifw> in "Personal File Sharing Preferences", there is a section "Share Files over the Network", which is grayed out, claiming that some required packages aren't installed
[05:54] <leifw> what packages are required?
[05:54] <leifw> I tried sharing a single folder from the right-click context menu in nautilus, and it prompted me to install samba, which I did
[05:54] <leifw> but that didn't seem to work, and this other section is still grayed out
[05:57] <leifw> well, going afk for a while; if anyone has an answer for me, please send it in a /msg
[06:02] <zinox> can anyone give me a lucid sources.list content?
[06:09] <jdforsythe> hey guys i don't know if this is a bug, per se, but personally i think it's the wrong behavior
[06:09] <jdforsythe> when installing 10.04 (alongside 8.04), i set aside a partition as ext-4 for data and set the mount point to /data
[06:09] <jdforsythe> i assumed that any partitions i set would be accessible by my user, but this is not the case
[06:10] <jdforsythe> the folder is set to root root
[06:11] <jdforsythe> i can't see why one would create a partition from empty space that one wouldn't want accessible by the main user
[06:12] <jdforsythe> and in those rare instances, wouldn't it make more sense to have to set it that way than vice versa?
[06:12] <jdforsythe> how many users will do this and have the trouble i'm having now-  that i can't write to my data partition
[06:14] <stevenson> Hi, i just got an acer aspire one and i installed ubuntu lucid beta1 the webcam works, but the mic won't. Please help
[06:14] <jdforsythe> lots of sleepers...
[06:15] <jdforsythe> stevenson - i'm not too good at this but have you checked
[06:15] <jdforsythe> system / preferences / sound - input
[06:15] <jdforsythe> see what it's set to
[06:16] <stevenson> jdforsythe: yes i have, but the mic is not shown
[06:17] <stevenson> jdforsythe: the mic is not detected
[06:19] <stevenson> jdforsythe: it's a netbook
[06:21] <ddecator> not everyone is asleep, but i usually don't chime in until i actually am of help =)
[06:22] <jdforsythe> does anyone else think that what i wrote above is strange behavior?
[06:22] <jdforsythe> i can't see why it would be this way
[06:27] <ddecator> it seems like it would be in the Computer folder as a partition you can mount
[06:28] <ddecator> or rather a filesystem you can mount
[06:32] <jdforsythe> i can open the folder, it's already mounted
[06:33] <jdforsythe> but it's mounted as root, so i can only read, not write
[06:34] <jdforsythe> the average user (and isn't that who ubuntu is made for? linux for human beings?) is not going to want to edit /etc/fstab to get a partition to work that they set up during install
[06:34] <jdforsythe> it should just work
[06:45] <safetynet> Someone know what version Gnome comes installed on Lucid ? ?
[06:45] <leifw> 2.30.0
[06:45] <safetynet> 2.3 ?
[06:46] <safetynet> leifw; Thanks - thought so wasn't sure
[06:46] <safetynet> leifw: You running new version Lucid ?
[06:47] <safetynet> Just installed todays latest build, running pretty good so far.....
[06:48] <leifw> 2.30
[06:48] <leifw> yes I am
[06:48] <safetynet> leifw: Any problems yet?
[06:48] <leifw> boot time was faster than my old gentoo install, so I switched permanently, given that my laptop's suspend is hardware-broken
[06:48] <leifw> not really
[06:49] <leifw> I can't figure out how to get file-sharing working properly, and nobody seems to know what's up, but that's a small concern
[06:49] <safetynet> you running this on a lappy - you say?
[06:49] <leifw> yes
[06:49] <safetynet> ummm good to hear
[06:49] <safetynet> wifi pretty good - found it no problem?
[06:50] <leifw> there's a weird thing where it asks for my ssh key's passphrase on boot every time, instead of deferring until I actually need it
[06:50] <leifw> but that's not a huge deal
[06:50] <leifw> yeah, wireless drivers haven't been a problem on this machine since I got it
[06:50] <safetynet> yea - an after all this is still jes beta right?
[06:51] <leifw> typically the ubuntu betas are pretty solid, in my experience
[06:51] <leifw> they're good about freezes
[06:52] <safetynet> ummm - I'm the impatient type didn't want to wait until the 8th for Beta 2 -
[06:53] <alex_mayorga> safetynet: I've been around since the first alphas, rock solid mostly
[06:53] <safetynet> I guess every few days I run the Update Manager it will just keep chugging along with current updates stuff - correct?
[06:54] <leifw> that's the canonical usage pattern
[06:54] <alex_mayorga> safetynet: yup
[06:54] <leifw> o-ho!
[06:54]  * leifw goes "zing!"
[06:55] <safetynet> alex_mayorga; Sweet! Good to hear - Man the install time blew me away - took about 11mins Start to Finish....
[06:55] <lotia> anyone else dealing with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/545398 here?
[06:56] <lotia> or experiencing this bug?
[06:57] <safetynet> alex_mayorga; You know when their going to include the newer version of Gnome ?
[06:57] <ddecator> no idea...
[06:57] <ddecator> safetynet: newer version?
[06:58] <safetynet> ddecator; I read somewhere today that there is going to be a version 3.0 by Sept or so...
[06:58] <ddecator> safetynet: yup. assuming it comes out on time, it will most likely be in ubuntu 10.10
[06:58] <Berzerker> what's 10.10 gonna be?
[06:58] <bbordwell> safetynet, You can try it out if you install gnome-shell
[06:59] <leifw> october 2010
[06:59] <ddecator> Maverick Meerkat
[06:59] <Berzerker> lol ^
[06:59] <Berzerker> I love ubuntu codenames
[06:59] <ddecator> that's the real name too
[06:59] <Berzerker> well yeah, but I mean the version code name
[07:00] <arand> Another 3-syllable one, I really don't approve.
[07:00] <Berzerker> not necessarily internal codename
[07:00] <safetynet> ddecator: You hear what the name of that's going to be yet - I know it's going to be "m" something - I been using Ubuntu since "H" Hardy.
[07:00] <ddecator> safetynet: Maverick Meerkat
[07:00] <leifw> safetynet: look up
[07:00] <bbordwell> safetynet, mark shuttleworth anounced it today or yesterday
[07:01] <safetynet> cool - Has a ring to it.
[07:01] <aprilhare> hey. i have my printer connected to a desktop computer running karmic and i'm trying to print to it from my laptop running lucid. it's a hp laserjet 1020. I tried setting up IPP but for some reason every time I try printing to the printer I get a "Bad Request" error message. any ideas?
[07:01] <Berzerker> ooo new kernel
[07:01] <Berzerker> sweet
[07:02] <safetynet> So I guess I'll have to look up what kind of strange animal a Meerkat is - Never heard of it.
[07:02] <Berzerker> I've never heard of an Ibex before intrepid
[07:02] <maco> safetynet: ever see Lion King?
[07:02] <bbordwell> safetynet, it is like a ground hog from africa
[07:02] <maco> Timone (as in Timone & Pumba) is a meerkat
[07:02] <safetynet> maco: cute
[07:02] <aprilhare> i want one named after a warthog. i love warthogs. they're cute.
[07:02] <Berzerker> pumba is the warthog, right?
[07:02] <bbordwell> safetynet, There was also a show on animal planet called meercat manor
[07:02] <leifw> yes
[07:02] <maco> Berzerker: yes
[07:03] <Berzerker> aprilhare: you missed Warty Warthog
[07:03] <leifw> so happy #ubuntu+1 devolved into lion king chat
[07:03] <Berzerker> lol
[07:03] <aprilhare> Berzerker: apparently so :)
[07:03] <Berzerker> I see a recurring theme, maybe they're just using disney animals :P
[07:03] <Berzerker> brb update restart
[07:04] <aprilhare> The Circle of Crap
[07:04] <safetynet> bbordwell: So if I try out the newest Gnome shell - Will it screw up anything with my current desktop - still a neub to some degree .
[07:05] <aprilhare> i laughed when the older lion died - in the movie theatre. it just seemed so melodramatic it was uproarious.
[07:05] <bbordwell> safetynet, After you install it you have to run the command "gnome-shell --replace", you can try it out, then on restart it will go back to normal
[07:05] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[07:05] <bbordwell> safetynet, Though i do not think it works with the nouveau driver so if you are using that do not try it
[07:06] <ddecator> safetynet: it might just mess a few things up graphically while it is running (since some apps don't play nice with it yet)
[07:06] <Berzerker> ooo -19 is snappy
[07:06] <safetynet> bbordwell: Have you looked it over yet - thoughts on it - if you have ? ?
[07:06] <Raphi974> Since I installed Lucid, my Externel HDD is not automaticaly mounted... Any idea ?
[07:06] <Berzerker> so what's new with gnome 2.3?
[07:06] <Berzerker> Raphi974: have you add it to fstab
[07:06] <bbordwell> safetynet, I tried it in karmic and It is pretty cool as a novelty but i am not sure i would like it as default
[07:06] <arand> safetynet: shouldn't, it might mess with the order of your currently windows, and you'll need to take the patch compiz-metacity-shell and similarly back again to make it smooth.
[07:07] <Berzerker> Raphi974: added*
[07:07] <Raphi974> Berzerker, nop, but it's an external drive, and in Karmic I didn't need to add it in fstab
[07:07] <bbordwell> safetynet, ahh yes that reminds me you must diable compiz before running the replace command
[07:07] <leifw> Berzerker: 2.30
[07:07] <leifw> it's not a decimal number, it's a version number
[07:08] <bbordwell> Berzerker, basicly just the twin pane mode in nautilus
[07:08] <safetynet> arand: yea - I second that - I tend to like Rock Solid - No problems "Just Works" way of doing things - know what I mean?
[07:08] <Berzerker> Raphi974: oh you mean on connect? or on boot
[07:08] <Berzerker> leifw: whatever lol
[07:08] <Raphi974> Berzerker, when i plug it in (USB style :p )
[07:08] <bbordwell> Berzerker, otherwise only very small changes
[07:08] <Berzerker> Raphi974: oh on connect
[07:08] <Berzerker> bbordwell: twin pane mode...
[07:08] <Berzerker> wai
[07:09] <Berzerker> wao*, that's awesome.
[07:09] <arand> safetynet: also, always "* --replace &disown" otherwise nasty surprises might happen if you cloes the terminal you started the wm from.
[07:09] <Raphi974> Berzerker, any idea ?
[07:09] <Berzerker> Raphi974: nope sorry. :(
[07:09] <bbordwell> Berzerker, you are running lucid now right? in nautilus press f3 and it will open another pane
[07:10] <safetynet> bbordwell: What the heck - this a brand new install - only took 10mins to load - So just run a shell command in Terminal to get the ball rolling ?
[07:10] <alex_mayorga> any CD reading gurus out there?
[07:10] <bbordwell> safetynet, are you using a nvidia card?
[07:10] <Raphi974> Berzerker, but it's detected correctly, and appears in fdisk -l ...
[07:10] <Berzerker> bbordwell: yeah I got it through the view menu, it's pretty sweet.
[07:10] <safetynet> bbordwell: That's on trying out the newer Gnome...
[07:10] <Berzerker> Raphi974: I'm not exactly sure, I'm only good for tech support on a low level :P
[07:11] <Raphi974> Berzerker, lol ok
[07:11] <bbordwell> safetynet, yes i know, if you are using a nvidia card you should install the restriced drivers first though
[07:11] <leifw> alex_mayorga: man dd
[07:11] <alex_mayorga> leifw: mind taking a look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/408482/
[07:11] <safetynet> bbordwell: No crappy built-in Intel on a Dell Dimension 4700 - With 2gb's ram
[07:12] <bbordwell> safetynet, good, first make sure compiz is disabled then give it a try
[07:12] <alex_mayorga> some "opendisc" music CDs seem to drive my CD unit crazy
[07:12] <alex_mayorga> spinning forever
[07:12] <leifw> alex_mayorga: probably hardware issue
[07:12] <bbordwell> safetynet, If it does not work right everything will go back to normal on a restart
[07:12] <leifw> don't know enough
[07:13] <ddecator> Raphi974: i know that auto-mounting is handled by nautilus, but i'm not sure where that setting is exactly for you to check that it's enabled...
[07:13] <lotia> Raphi974: what does dmesg say when you plug it in?
[07:13] <alex_mayorga> leifw: you mean faulty media or faulty drive?
[07:13] <Raphi974> ddecator, lotia i just saw something about nautilis preferences in gconf-editor. i'll try
[07:14] <ddecator> Raphi974: i checked there and did't see the auto-mount option, but maybe i over-looked it
[07:14] <Raphi974> well, it's checked...
[07:14] <safetynet> bbordwell: That's no worry I don't even have Compiz installed yet - Not much on all the glitz - but do really enjoy the rock solidness of Gnome - That's part of reason not a big huge fan of KDE yet - It's pretty and nice But just not there yet.
[07:14] <Raphi974> ddecator, Apps --> Nautilus --> Preferences
[07:14] <ddecator> Raphi974: is it listed there?
[07:14] <Raphi974> ddecator, Media_automount
[07:14] <Raphi974> ddecator, yes
[07:15] <lotia> Raphi974: in a terminal type "dmesg", the last few lines hsould have some information about the plugged in drive.
[07:15] <ddecator> Raphi974: aw, i was looking for "automount" at the beginning, no wonder i overlooked it...
[07:15] <Berzerker> Raphi974: try this. in the Nautilus preferences, go to the Media tab
[07:15] <bbordwell> safetynet, yes same here. If you commonly use multiple desktops gnome-shell is great. but if you commonly use just one i find it kind of annoying
[07:15] <bbordwell> But i find that if i use a dock in combonation with gnome-shell i realy like it
[07:15] <ddecator> bbordwell: idk how i would get by on one workspace
[07:16] <safetynet> bbordwell: So jes type in - gnome-shell in Terminal ?
[07:16] <bbordwell> safetynet, well have you installed it yet?
[07:16] <ddecator> safetynet: if you install gnome-shell, then it should be "gnome-shell --replace" i believe
[07:17] <Raphi974> Berzerker, ddecator lotia damit... now it works... but i did nothing...
[07:17] <Berzerker> Raphi974: lol.
[07:17] <bbordwell> safetynet, install it, "sudo apt-get install gnome-shell", then "gnome-shell --replace &disown"
[07:17] <ddecator> Raphi974: haha, of course...
[07:17] <Berzerker> problem solved
[07:17] <safetynet> bbordwell: ah nope - So sudo apt-get install - 1st? or go grab it from Synaptic ?
[07:17] <safetynet> bbordwell: Ah - ok
[07:18] <Raphi974> Keep trying to make it work since yesterday
[07:18] <ddecator> Raphi974: if it breaks again, please look for a bug report. if you don't find one, then please file one against nautilus =)
[07:18] <alex_mayorga> leifw: seems to be the "opendisc" thing
[07:18] <Raphi974> ddecator, okay
[07:18] <alex_mayorga> leifw: a "plain" audio CD works just fine and no dmesg spamming
[07:19] <Berzerker> bbordwell: is there a way to get it to make it have the extra pane view by default on all nautilus windows I open?
[07:19] <safetynet> bbordwell: Looks like I need "libjs0" 1st.
[07:19] <safetynet> Got an erro.
[07:19] <safetynet> *error
[07:20] <ddecator> Berzerker: you can use gconf-editor
[07:20] <bbordwell> safetynet, hmm looks like they do not have all the dependencies met in lucid
[07:20] <Berzerker> what is gconf-editor?
[07:21] <Raphi974> Berzerker, a registry editor for gnome
[07:21] <arand> ubuntuguy: So, have you mounted the root ubuntu partiton somewhere?
[07:21] <bbordwell> Berzerker, you can edit anything in there, just type "gconf-editor" in terminal
[07:21] <ubuntuguy> yes, it's mounted at /media/af5.....
[07:21] <safetynet> bbordwell: Got the following error after trying to install - "The following packages have unmet dependencies: - gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed - E: Broken packages
[07:21] <ddecator> Berzerker: i don't see a way to change that setting in the nautilus preferences, but there is a "default_folder_viewer" option in gconf-editor
[07:21] <bbordwell> safetynet, yep the dependencies are not in lucid
[07:22] <Raphi974> ddecator, it's just for List, Icon and Compact view
[07:22] <bbordwell> safetynet, not going to work right now without some major changes
[07:22] <ddecator> Raphi974: really? that's lame
[07:22] <bbordwell> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:22] <bbordwell>   libgjs0: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (<= 1.9.1.9~) but 1.9.1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:22] <Raphi974> ddecator, it's for the view of a folder
[07:22] <Raphi974> ddecator, not the view of nautilus
[07:22] <bbordwell> safetynet, You do not want to downgrade xulrunner so i guess you will have to wait for them to upload a newer version of gnome-shell
[07:23] <ddecator> Raphi974: haha, wait, that makes sense...
[07:23] <arand> ubuntuguy: and when running "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/af5....... /dev/sda1" does it succed?
[07:23] <Raphi974> ddecator, maybe somewhere else
[07:23] <bbordwell> they have 2.29 out but 2.28 is still in the repos
[07:23] <ubuntuguy> arand: that warns about blocklists being unreliable, so I'm trying it with /dev/sda at the end
[07:23] <ddecator> Berzerker: there is a "star_with_extra_pane" option in Apps > Nautilus > Preferences in gconf-editor, just check the checkbox
[07:23] <ddecator> start_with_extra_pane*
[07:24] <arand> ubuntuguy: Ah, yes, my bad.
[07:24] <safetynet> bbordwell: Ah that's ok will give it a rest for tonight - Just gonna go play and install a few things I like best I use all the time in Karmic. THanks anyway - Will give this a try later - no big deal - Gnome will still be here tomorrow :o)
[07:24] <ubuntuguy> arand: hehe a common mistake, I made it too :P
[07:24] <arand> ubuntuguy: sda is for the mbr, so presumably you'd want that in the actual place for the mbr ;)
[07:25] <ubuntuguy> it says install finished, no error reported, so far so good
[07:25] <arand> Although, I install to vbr all the time..
[07:25] <ubuntuguy> arand: oh cool, I didn't know that designated the mbr
[07:25] <safetynet> bbordwell: Big surprise when I ran Terminal - It's nice looking - Will just go check things out for know. THanks to all....
[07:25] <Berzerker> ddecator: I don't see it
[07:26] <ubuntuguy> alright, I believe all that's left is to restart!
[07:26] <Berzerker> ddecator: there are 4 "starts" in apps > nautilus > preferences, and they're all checked, none of them _with_extra_pane
[07:26] <arand> ubuntuguy: presumably everything should be dandy and sweet roses now when you reboot.
[07:26] <ubuntuguy> I'll let you know either way :)
[07:26] <ubuntuguy> bye
[07:27] <ddecator> Berzerker: i have five start_* options, with the extra_pane being the first one...
[07:27] <Berzerker> I only have 4
[07:27] <ddecator> huh, do you have the latest version of nautilus?
[07:27] <Berzerker> I just did a dist-upgrade
[07:27] <Berzerker> hmm
[07:27] <bbordwell> ddecator, I dont have that in my gconf either
[07:28] <ddecator> what the heck? i'm looking at it on my screen right now...
[07:28] <ddecator> although clicking it says the key has no schema, so what is it doing there?
[07:29] <alex_mayorga> is this faulty hardware Bug #419124 ?
[07:29] <bbordwell> ddecator, what if your version of gconf-editor?
[07:30] <ddecator> bbordwell: 2.30.0
[07:30] <leifw> ddecator: I don't see that either
[07:30] <bbordwell> -0ubuntu1?
[07:30] <leifw> mine's latest
[07:30] <ddecator> bbordwell: yup
[07:31] <ddecator> unless...
[07:31] <bbordwell> ddecator, how about nautilus?
[07:31] <ddecator> no, i don't think it's ubuntu-tweak...
[07:31] <Raphi974> what's the option ? i'll check
[07:32] <ddecator> bbordwell: 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu3
[07:32] <bbordwell> ddecator, hmm same here. thats weird
[07:32] <Raphi974> well, i don't have start_with_extra_pane
[07:32] <ddecator> well i'm confused
[07:33] <aprilhare> got printer going
[07:33] <aprilhare> which is good
[07:33] <ddecator> i have it, but it doesn't work anyway
[07:33] <bbordwell> Raphi974, yes it seems only ddecator has it...
[07:33] <ddecator> aprilhare: good to hear =)
[07:33] <aprilhare> hmmmm - firefox *still* defaults to letter sized paper only. after all these years. :/
[07:33] <aprilhare> bloody long time for a bug
[07:34] <ddecator> aprilhare: do you know of a bug # for that?
[07:34] <aprilhare> ddecator: theres a number of them
[07:34] <ddecator> Raphi974: well sorry i'm not much help, idk why that option is even listed on my system
[07:34] <Raphi974> lol
[07:34] <ddecator> aprilhare: about that specifically or printer issues in general?
[07:35] <aprilhare> hang on
[07:35] <aprilhare> https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/10910
[07:35] <aprilhare> ddecator: that is a very old bug (2004!)
[07:36] <aprilhare> still not fixed :/
[07:36] <bbordwell> aprilhare, lol i love open bugs from warty.....
[07:36] <ddecator> in progress for over a year? o.o
[07:36] <aprilhare> bbordwell: yay for warty!
[07:37] <bbordwell> aprilhare, I once saw a bug from warty that was open till jaunty then mark Shuttleworth commented on it and it was fixed a week later
[07:37] <ddecator> ah, it's upstream =\
[07:37] <aprilhare> ddecator: i think it's because users in a certain north american country use letter size and don't care
[07:38] <Berzerker> I think I have a problem
[07:38] <Berzerker> I've tweaked so much that I'm addicted, now I can't find anything else to tweak, help?
[07:38] <ddecator> aprilhare: i'm not sure all mozilla devs are americans, haha, but they get a LOT of bugs that are hard to keep track of. that upstream report has gotten comments from this year, so hopefully they address it soon...
[07:38] <ddecator> Berzerker: compiz?
[07:38] <aprilhare> Berzerker: fonts. add lots of fonts.
[07:39] <aprilhare> ddecator: people have been saying that since 2004 :D
[07:39] <Raphi974> Berzerker, themes, icons...
[07:39] <Berzerker> I'm on compiz now I think...
[07:39] <ddecator> aprilhare: touche, haha
[07:39] <Berzerker> if by compiz you mean "extra effects"
[07:39] <ddecator> Berzerker: yes, but if you install the compiz settings manager, ho boy, lots to tweak =)
[07:39] <arand> Berzerker: Start developing, then you are set with tweaking for life ;)
[07:40] <Berzerker> yeah a lot of it doesn't work very well on lucid now
[07:40] <Berzerker> arand: lol.
[07:40] <toffee> hello, can you hear me?
[07:40] <aprilhare> toffee: no
[07:40] <toffee> lol, thanks.
[07:40] <aprilhare> toffee: i can see u type, certainly... but not hear ya ;)
[07:40] <bbordwell> ddecator, did you see comment 22 on the upstream bug?
[07:41] <toffee> ^_^
[07:41] <ddecator> bbordwell: huh, wonder how they did it...
[07:42] <ddecator> bbordwell: you were reading through the comments? o_O
[07:42] <arand> I will be calling this the +1 hour henceforth, #ubuntu+1 is more active than #ubuntu o_=
[07:42] <ddecator> arand: we do what we can once we get sleep-deprived =)
[07:42] <aprilhare> "It's time to fix this bug... it's alive and kicking from 2002..." lol
[07:42] <Raphi974> arand, lot of bugs to talk about :p
[07:42] <aprilhare> its an older bug than I thought!
[07:43] <bbordwell> ddecator, maybe i could post about that in ubuntu-devel and maybe someone there would know how to find patches from mandriva
[07:43] <ddecator> aprilhare: yah, i saw that
[07:43] <aprilhare> see bug report #105
[07:43] <ddecator> bbordwell: the ubuntu-mozillateam would probably be better, but i can ask the main packagers about it tomorrow
[07:43] <ddecator> that channel is dead right now, haha
[07:44] <bbordwell> ddecator, nvm see comment 29
[07:44] <Berzerker> what does the "ubuntu modifications" firefox extension consist of?
[07:44] <ddecator> bbordwell: fair enough
[07:44] <maco> Berzerker: its what makes apt:// url's work
[07:45] <ddecator> Berzerker: ubufox integrates firefox with ubuntu, detects plugins and such
[07:45] <Berzerker> that's it?
[07:45] <maco> Berzerker: and i think its how the default homepage was set...
[07:45] <maco> ooh yeah what ddecator said. thats hwo it offers to get you flash
[07:45] <arand> Berzerker: Things that break other themes in weird and wonderous ways ;) And bookmarks, etc..
[07:45] <arand> s/themes/extensions/
[07:45] <Berzerker> I got a "install missing plugins" button, clicked it, clicked next, and it said no plugins were found.
[07:46] <ddecator> firefox-gnome-support also provides further integration with gnome =)
[07:46] <Berzerker> pretty useful if I say so myself[/sarcasm]
[07:46] <ddecator> might need to be updated for lucid
[07:46] <Berzerker> possibly
[07:46] <ddecator> and/or the latest firefox build
[07:46] <Berzerker> what's the new package name for java?
[07:46] <Berzerker> sun-java-jre6 didn't work
[07:47] <Berzerker> sun-java6-jre*
[07:47] <ddecator> java doesn't work with FF 3.6 atm
[07:47] <Raphi974> Berzerker, you have to enable the partner repo
[07:47] <ddecator> icedtea is the open-source version for java
[07:47] <Berzerker> I mean I did a search for it in the software center and found it
[07:47] <arand> Does icedtea work though?
[07:47] <Raphi974> Berzerker, and then, sun-java6 will work
[07:47] <ddecator> arand: not that i know of
[07:48] <blue102> hi guys
[07:48] <Raphi974> hi blue102
[07:48] <arand> Ah, stuck in the mailbox then.
[07:48] <ddecator> huh, i don't see the report. maybe it got fixed?
[07:49] <blue102> I try to get streaming video to work with totem g-streamer  to no avail any suggestions
[07:50] <chandru_in> I see that MySQL starts automatically on system start but I'd like to start it on demand.  There is no link to /etc/init.d/mysql in rc*.d.  How do I ensure that MySQL doesn't start automatically?
[07:50] <chandru_in> Also, if there is no link in rc*.d where does it start from?
[07:50] <ddecator> wait, no, here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/496097
[07:52] <blue102> help ?
[07:52] <chandru_in> Is there any other place where startup scripts are loaded from in Lucid?
[07:52] <ddecator> blue102: are you trying to stream inside of totem, or use the firefox plugin?
[07:53] <ddecator> chandru_in: other than System > Preferences > Startup Applications?
[07:53] <blue102> firefox plugin
[07:53] <Berzerker> Raphi974: how do you enable the partner repos?
[07:53] <ddecator> blue102: did you check to make sure you installed the firefox plugin package as well?
[07:53] <chandru_in> ddecator: I'm talking abt system services actually.  This is related to my MySQL query above
[07:53] <blue102> totem starts up automaticly
[07:53] <blue102> I did
[07:53] <Raphi974> Berzerker, see Software Repository in Administration
[07:53] <ddecator> chandru_in: oh, haha, sorry, didn't see that part
[07:54] <Raphi974> Berzerker, in Others, there is the partner repo, unchecked
[07:54] <ddecator> blue102: what are you trying to stream?
[07:54] <Raphi974> Berzerker, check it, update, and then, you're good to go
[07:54] <Berzerker> Raphi974: thanks
[07:54] <blue102> I downloaded vlc according to some windows media
[07:54] <blue102> windows media on internet
[07:55] <chandru_in> ddecator: Any clue about that?
[07:55] <ddecator> idk what package has the windows media support...
[07:55] <ddecator> chandru_in: sorry, not really, idk where you would look =\
[07:56] <blue102> somehow media player does not work in mozzilla firefox
[07:56] <bbordwell> blue102, can you put a link to the site you are having problems with?
[07:57] <blue102> www.shinetc.co.nz
[07:57] <blue102> sorry www.shinetv.co.nz
[07:58] <ddecator> blue102: what on there are you trying to stream?
[07:58] <Berzerker> ddecator: btw, I just got java working on 3.6
[07:58] <ddecator> Berzerker: fully? i get some support, but not full
[07:59] <Berzerker> all you need to do is sudo ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.19/jre/lib/amd64/libnpjp2.so in /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/plugins
[07:59] <Berzerker> or i386 if you're on 32-bit
[07:59] <blue102> whatch on line tv
[07:59] <ddecator> Berzerker: right, that's what i did, not ideal and doesn't give perfect support
[07:59] <Berzerker> online TV? isn't that flash?
[07:59] <Berzerker> like hulu?
[08:00] <blue102> no it can be windows media as well
[08:00] <ddecator> blue102: do you get "waiting for video"?
[08:00] <Berzerker> ddecator: give me a test example
[08:00] <blue102> yes
[08:01] <blue102> mmsh plugins
[08:02] <ddecator> huh, it's gotten better... Berzerker: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/html/as400/v4r5/ic2924/index.htm?info/db2/rbafzmst05.htm
[08:02] <ddecator> Berzerker: should have a java side menu, used to crash FF
[08:02] <Berzerker> works fine for me
[08:03] <blue102> so what do I have to do??
[08:03] <ddecator> Berzerker: it looks normal?
[08:03] <ddecator> blue102: idk, i can't get it to play...
[08:03] <Berzerker> I don't know how it's "supposed" to look
[08:03] <Berzerker> this is the first time I've seen the website
[08:03] <Berzerker> although the tree menu seems to be confined to a box smaller than it looks like it should be in
[08:03] <blue102> what does idk mean
[08:03] <ddecator> idk for sure either, but for me it's a list of links that scrolls randomly and looks terrible...
[08:03] <Berzerker> blue102: I don't konw
[08:03] <Berzerker> know*
[08:04] <Berzerker> ddecator: the only problem for me is it's cut off
[08:04] <Berzerker> other than that, it works fine
[08:04] <ddecator> well then things are improving =)
[08:04] <ddecator> last i tried, it still crashed FF
[08:04] <Berzerker> how come we don't have 3.6.3
[08:05] <Berzerker> last time I was on windows it upgraded
[08:05] <ddecator> Berzerker: we have to pull it, package it, test that it works right, then push it, so there is a delay
[08:05] <blue102> well must find solution
[08:05] <Berzerker> psh, testing
[08:05] <ddecator> Berzerker: unless you don't want our patches to work and firefox doesn't start =p
[08:06] <Berzerker> that's fine, all I want is bragging rights :P
[08:06] <ddecator> Berzerker: then use FF 3.7 like me ;)
[08:06] <Berzerker> ooo
[08:06] <Berzerker> FF 3.7...how do I get that lol
[08:06] <Berzerker> any way through repos?
[08:06] <ddecator> Ubuntu Mozilla Team Daily PPA
[08:07] <Berzerker> what is it
[08:07] <ddecator> use at your own risk =)
[08:07] <Berzerker> risk smisk
[08:07] <Berzerker> I'm using lucid after all :P
[08:07] <toffee> chinese trojans?
[08:07] <ddecator> it's a PPA that supplies all of the daily builds of mozilla products (firefox, prism, etc.)
[08:07] <ddecator> toffee: huh? o.o
[08:08] <Berzerker> ddecator: what's the URL for the repo?
[08:09] <ddecator> Berzerker: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[08:10] <Berzerker> is that what I put into the repo list?
[08:11] <ddecator> have you ever added a PPA?
[08:12] <Berzerker> yeah I have, that website just looked strange, I didn't know the apt lines were hidden
[08:13] <ddecator> hm, be careful of what PPAs you add. this one if officially supported by the Ubuntu Mozilla Team. run "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa"
[08:13] <ddecator> s/if/is
[08:14] <ddecator> you'll have to disable the out-of-browser-processes thing in FF 3.7 if you choose to use it
[08:14] <ddecator> still crashes FF...
[08:14] <Berzerker> ewww...it changed firefox to shiretoko lol
[08:14] <Berzerker> I hate that branding
[08:15] <ddecator> shiretoko was FF 3.5...3.6 should be Namoroka
[08:15] <Berzerker> oh it's not shiretoko anymore
[08:15] <Berzerker> yeah
[08:15] <ddecator> and 3.7 is still Minefield
[08:15] <Berzerker> I think they use minefield for all the pres, no?
[08:15] <ddecator> yes
[08:15] <ddecator> well, alphas i think
[08:16] <Berzerker> ddecator: what out-of-browser-process thing?
[08:17] <ddecator> Berzerker: if you want to use FF 3.7, enter "about:config" in the address bar, then find "dom.ipc.plugins.enabled" and toggle to "false"
[08:17] <ddecator> it's a feature they are adding. plugins will run in a separate process so they don't crash the browser (think Chrome), but it doesn't work on linux yet
[08:17] <Berzerker> oh I'm just going to stick with 3.6.4
[08:18] <ddecator> mkay
[08:18] <Berzerker> I chickened out :P
[08:18] <ddecator> be prepared for possible breakage though since it's PPA and is meant for testing =p
[08:18] <Berzerker> yeah
[08:30] <aprilhare> anyone else have problems with synaptic? it complains on start that it hasn't been started with admin privileges..
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> aprilhare:  trying it now
[08:31] <ddecator> aprilhare: where are you launching it from?
[08:31] <aprilhare> ddecator: icon from ubuntu menu
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> menu items asks for password.. and works fine here
[08:31] <ddecator> aprilhare: use System > Administration > Synaptic
[08:31] <aprilhare> sometimes works sometimes doesn't
[08:32] <ddecator> the one in System Tools in the Applications menu doesn't launch with root privelages
[08:32] <aprilhare> hmmmm the other menu may be the problem
[08:32] <ddecator> it just recently showed up in applications, not sure if they're moving it there or what, but it doesn't appear to work like it should
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> I would think its a bit of a bug.
[08:39] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: i would too, but idk the plan for it being there so idk if that's what it's supposed to do or not, haha
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> Im glad they finally ot the nvidia-settings tools set where they run as root by default now a days
[09:01] <Ian_Corne> hmmmm
[09:01] <Ian_Corne> during installation
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> "sorry the program ubiquity closed unexpecteldy"
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> well,  at the end
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> The problem cannot be reported:
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs:
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> damn
[09:02] <Raphi974> Ian_Corne, you performed a full upgrade before trying to upgrade to Lucid ?
[09:02] <Ian_Corne> I clicked "update this installer"
[09:03] <Ian_Corne> Raphi974: it's from a Beta cd
[09:03] <Raphi974> Ian_Corne, ho :S
[09:03] <Ian_Corne> brb :)
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> wow - my leetness just went up.. I rembered how to proerly use scp to copy files from one machine to another.. and diente have to look it up.. and i got it on the first try.. no typos...
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> :P
[09:17] <Raphi974> Dr_Willis, gg :p
[09:18] <Raphi974> Dr_Willis, it's not leetness, it's geekness :)
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> and i made a script to convert videos properly to play on my portable video player.
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> Speaking of which. Has anyone seen a tool that takes a given video (an example for my player) and spits out the proper arguments for mencoder, or ffmpeg to  make other videos the same 'settings' as the given example video?
[09:19] <aprilhare> did anyone notice that the version of acrobat reader in lucid repos is quite behind that in karmic?
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> I spent about 3 hrs tryingdifferent settings on a little video to find ones that work.. but they may not be ideal :)
[09:20] <ddecator> aprilhare: whats the package name?
[09:20] <aprilhare> acroread
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> !info acroread
[09:20] <Raphi974> Dr_Willis, sorry, i'm not at your level of geekness
[09:20] <ddecator> rmadison only shows it for dapper...
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> Raphi974:  im convert5ing spongebob to video for the grandkids  im an old-geek
[09:21] <Raphi974> Dr_Willis, still a geek ;)
[09:21] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: nothing wrong with that =)
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> old geen = creek  (as in bones creaking..)
[09:21] <aprilhare> i think it's acroread ;)
[09:21] <ddecator> aprilhare: you sure about that? =p
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> it may not be in the normal repos
[09:21] <ddecator> not since dapper at least
[09:22] <hemanth> is there ati HD radon drivers available for lucid? i just know solved playmount issue, but not able to load gnome, kde comes up on low graphics
[09:23] <aprilhare> Dr_Willis: its in normal repos
[09:23] <aprilhare> ... i think.
[09:24] <ddecator> aprilhare: i can't find it in synaptic. you sure that's the package name?
[09:24] <ddecator> hemanth: not sure, i have nvidia, sorry
[09:24] <hemanth> ddecator, o ho ok, its looking to load flgrx
[09:24] <aprilhare> ddecator: hang on
[09:24] <aprilhare> yes
[09:24] <aprilhare> that's it's name
[09:25] <ddecator> aprilhare: are you using a ppa?
[09:25] <aprilhare> 'Canonical provides critical updates for acroread until September 2011.'
[09:25] <aprilhare> no
[09:25] <aprilhare> not using ppa to best of knowledge
[09:26] <hemanth> ATI catalyst 10.3 anyone?
[09:29] <simion314> my lucid reboots at login or a few seconds after, tryed ubuntu and kubuntu. i
[09:30] <simion314> is it posible to boot it with vesa? i tried xforcevesa boot option but it seam that is ignored
[09:32] <fatum> OpenGL preformance is terribly slow on my Radeon HD 3200, much slower than 9.10.  Compiz runs very smooth however, so I'm not sure how that could be.
[09:32] <fatum> I get very low framerates on open gl games & applications
[09:33] <fatum> Open GL games worked a lot better on 9.10, compiz runs a lot better on 10.04
[09:33] <fatum> So not sure how that could be.
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> simion314:  ive seen a few others in here with that issue. (or was it you ?) :)
[09:33] <simion314> fatum: you could try to disable KMS, KMS was disabled in 9.10
[09:34] <fatum> simion314:  What is KMS?
[09:34] <fatum> I can resort to google, but not sure what the acroynm is for.
[09:34] <simion314> fatum: google for it, you can add nomodeset in grub at startup to test
[09:34] <arand> kernel modesetting
[09:35] <fatum> What's the object of KMS?
[09:35] <fatum> Is there an argument I can pass off to grub on startup?
[09:35] <simion314> fatum: you can find it better using google, they  use KMS to have less flicker on boot, better suspend resume speeds
[09:37] <simion314> Dr_Willis: i was yesterday complaining about this, and the bug tracker is in maintainence, the strange thing is that same issue was on the live cd, but after setting noacpi,noapic and nomodeset i installed succesfully using the live cd, and the same option do not work on the actual install
[09:38] <simion314> fatum: do you know how to add a boot option?
[09:39] <kslen> hey gang. i'm having trouble with very slow transfers over lan on a acer emachine netbook with Atheros AR8132 wired nic.
[09:40] <kslen> anyone with experience with this hardware here?
[09:40] <blue102> hi I have the streaming video working with vlc
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> simion314:  iwould guess kernel version differance issues.
[09:40] <fatum> simion314:  Yes I do
[09:41] <simion314> fatum: just try nomodeset and see how is it, if is better then disable KMS permanently or untill the bugs are fixed
[09:41] <blue102> now what do have to edit in kde config file to have vlc mediaplayer to come up as default player
[09:42] <simion314> blue102: i think in systemsettings is a thing called default applications
[09:43] <blue102> i have a look
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> blue102:  i set the defauult file assoication the menus of dolphin or konquerr i recall
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> Now how to get rid of that 'open in gwenview' for allmy usb flash drives.. is what I want to know
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> or at least not make it the default :)
[09:44] <blue102> from console I mean
[09:44] <arand> Dr_Willis: Nautilus prefs?
[09:45] <simion314> Dr_Willis: and what to be the default? dolphin?
[09:46] <abhifx> hi... plymouth doesnt seem to work? what could be the problem?
[09:46] <blue102> which file do I have to edit  to put vlc media player to default and not totem
[09:47] <simion314> blue102: in gnome? and why you want to do it from a file and not from GUU?
[09:47] <blue102> no kde
[09:47] <simion314> blue102: so why not systemsettings?
[09:48] <blue102> cant find system settings
[09:48] <fuorviatos> Hello all
[09:48] <jng1> anyone know what the story with sun-java6-jre is?   I get told: Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:48] <jng1> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:48] <jng1> is only available from another source
[09:48] <simion314> run it with "systemsettings"
[09:49] <Raphi974> jng1, you have to enable "partner" repo in Repository Management
[09:49] <shinjitestroch> So I left my netbook on without power while logged in. Ran out of power then shut off. Now I'm stuck at the initramfs screen with error saying can't find sys dev etc... no such file or directory.
[09:49] <jng1> tks Raphi974
[09:49] <fuorviatos> I may have encountered a bug which I'd like to report. The problem is probably in "gnome-keyboard-properties", but which package is it in?
[09:49] <Raphi974> jng1, you're welcome
[09:50] <blue102> where do I find the system settings
[09:51] <fatum> Do I press "c," then type out nouveau.modset=0 or what?
[09:51] <fatum> prior to booting
[09:51] <simion314> fatum: press E on the grub entry
[09:51] <fatum> simion314:  What do I add though?
[09:51] <fatum> To the list
[09:51] <simion314> then add after "ro quiet splash add the nomodeset there
[09:52] <fuorviatos> blue102: Try gnome-control-center
[09:52] <blue102> do I have gnome
[09:52] <abhifx> i tried to make plymouth work with nvidia drivers... it deosnt woek during startup
[09:52] <blue102> ?????
[09:52] <xJoshR> Err, the topic says not to upgrade yet, but what if i already did
[09:53] <simion314> blue102: try run systemsettings in terminal, if is not installed i think that it will tell you what package to install
[09:53] <arand> fuorviatos: "dpkg -S $(which gnome-keyboard-properties)" is a relly handy thing for those occasions
[09:53] <xJoshR> My computer doesn't seem to startup anymore
[09:53] <xJoshR> i had to boot from disc
[09:54] <fuorviatos> How can i find out a package a given application is in?
[09:54] <simion314> blue102: you can right click a video file,then properties, then click the icon near tyype  and you can set there the apps to use to open that file type, you will press move up and move down
[09:54] <fuorviatos> arand: thanks
[09:55] <fatum> Is the location of nomodstat significant simion314?  (As long as it's on a new line I assume, it should be fine)
[09:55] <xJoshR> Is there someone who can help me?
[09:55] <fatum> hmm, open gl games are still slow, but compiz is running really nice with all of the desktop effects
[09:55] <shinjitestroch> Anyone know what to do about the initramfs problem?
[09:55] <simion314> fatum:  no, place it at the ned and it is NOMODESET
[09:56] <blue102> thank you I had heard of systemsettings packet
[09:56] <shinjitestroch> What do you mean by not upgrading yet on topic? the front page or a thread?
[09:56] <simion314> shinjitestroch: do you have an old kernel entry in the system?
[09:57] <fatum> restarted with nomodeset, still the slow preformance on open gl games
[09:57] <shinjitestroch> As in not up to date? I'm on 2.32 right now.
[09:57] <fatum> Thanks for the help so far though!
[09:57] <simion314> shinjitestroch: if you are on the live cd chroot on your install, and do a system update and reinstall the kernel eventualy, maybe it will regenerate the image
[09:58] <simion314> fatum: could be a bug in the new drivers then
[09:59] <xJoshR> I followed the instructions from http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 to upgrade to lucid, but when i retstarted my system, it wouldn't boot up.
[09:59] <simion314> xJoshR: what message error?
[09:59] <xJoshR> no error messages
[09:59] <shinjitestroch> Did you do a partial upgrade?
[09:59] <xJoshR> just idled
[09:59] <shinjitestroch> Ooooh I had that problem.
[10:00] <xJoshR> is there any way to fix it?
[10:00] <shinjitestroch> Did you try to duel boot it?
[10:00] <xJoshR> no :\
[10:00] <shinjitestroch> hmm. odd.
[10:00] <arand> xJoshR: See what recovery mode gives?
[10:00] <shinjitestroch> Booted from live CD
[10:01] <shinjitestroch> Yeah good idea.
[10:01] <xJoshR> i can't get into recovery mode, GRUB doesn't even load :\
[10:01] <xJoshR> it gets to a screen where as if grub was trying to load, but it stopped
[10:01] <xJoshR> i can type in the window
[10:01] <simion314> xJoshR: read about chroot command ,or better how to recover grub2 on the wiki
[10:02] <xJoshR> but nothing else
[10:02] <shinjitestroch> Press Esc when compy first starts. hit for hdd if it even shows up.
[10:02] <xJoshR> i tried that too
[10:02] <arand> !grub2
[10:02] <xJoshR> it booted to the same screen
[10:02] <simion314> xJoshR: you use the live CD and reinstall the GRUB
[10:02] <arand> Do a grub-install according to instructions above
[10:02] <xJoshR> and how do i do that
[10:02] <xJoshR> cause i'm on live cd right now
[10:03] <xJoshR> ok
[10:03] <shinjitestroch> No idea.
[10:03] <shinjitestroch> All I can suggest is a clean slate reinstall.
[10:03] <simion314> xJoshR: from the live CD, read the instructions there
[10:03] <xJoshR> i can't afford to lose my files though shinjitestroch. that's the issue, i have a project due monday that i need...
[10:04] <shinjitestroch> Oh I seee I see.
[10:04] <shinjitestroch> hmm idea upload files to the ubuntu 1 cloud
[10:04] <simion314> xJoshR: you can fix the grub problem by pasteing 5 lines in terminal
[10:04] <arand> xJoshR: Mount the ubuntu fillesystem.
[10:05] <shinjitestroch> Did that.
[10:05] <yofel> xJoshR: look at the wiki page how to resque grub2, and if you reinstall you don't need to format, the installer will remove any conflicting files from the previous install before installing
[10:05] <xJoshR> ok so, arand, restoring grub should resolve my issue is what you're saying?
[10:05] <arand> xJoshR: Indeed.
[10:05] <shinjitestroch> Sounds right to me.
[10:05] <xJoshR> ok
[10:05] <arand> xJoshR: It is likely to at least...
[10:05] <xJoshR> i'll try it out
[10:06] <xJoshR> if not i'll probably fail m chemistry class
[10:06] <shinjitestroch> Although grub doesn't seem to believe where my lucid partition is. Always back up mon cd usb you name it.
[10:06] <arand> xJoshR: Otherwise, mount the ubuntu install and get the files off it and store them somewhere safer.
[10:06] <simion314> xJoshR: reinstalling grub will ake grub appear, if you have other problems you can come back and try to fix them, it would be a nice idea to learn more about chroot, chroot is  powerfull, you can fix a lot of things with it
[10:07] <xJoshR> i have one or two more questions
[10:07] <shinjitestroch> Before you poof back into live cd boot hell?
[10:07] <simion314> xJoshR: and you should always have a stable distro installed , if you pla with unstable sooftware
[10:08] <xJoshR> "If you have /boot on a separate partition" it mentions that in the guide, if i don't know if it's on a seperate partition, do i leave that alone?
[10:08] <yofel> xJoshR: if you don't know it's propably not seperate as it's not seperate by default
[10:08] <xJoshR> ok
[10:08] <arand> xJoshR: If you don't know, you generally don't have, as a rule of thumb.
[10:09] <xJoshR> that
[10:09] <xJoshR> that's what i was making sure of*
[10:09]  * arand is off to get me some new kernels
[10:09] <shinjitestroch> If your entire hard drive was formatted in the first place to be changed to ext 4 then your partition number should be /dev/sda or sda1 or hd0 I think.
[10:09] <shinjitestroch> I can never remember.
[10:10] <xJoshR> my linux partition is sda3
[10:10] <yofel> shinjitestroch: (hd0,1) is grub numbering (that would be sda/hda1 for grub2 and sda/hda2 for grub1)
[10:11] <shinjitestroch> ooh.
[10:11] <xJoshR> uhh
[10:11] <xJoshR> Now you need to edit the /etc/default/grub file to fit your system
[10:11] <xJoshR> what exactly am i changing
[10:11] <shinjitestroch> I always thought the first operating system installed would be sda1
[10:11] <xJoshR> it doesn't say what to change
[10:11] <yofel> xJoshR: did you edit anything there? if not, skip that
[10:11] <xJoshR> ok
[10:12] <soc> has the behavior of the rhythmbox status icon changed?
[10:13] <yofel> shinjitestroch: well yes, usually you have windows or / or at least /boot on sda1
[10:13] <soc> it feels really strange, right click and middle click don't do anything, and left click opens a context menu ...
[10:13] <yofel> soc: from karmic? I have heared that it has changed as it's integrated in the indicator applet now
[10:14] <shinjitestroch> Aye ok. this is noobish of me but seeing as how I've always used forums for info and communication. How does one do that spiffy reply to name command?
[10:14] <soc> yes, running the latest lucid
[10:14] <xJoshR> O.O
[10:14] <xJoshR> root@ubuntu:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[10:14] <xJoshR> df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
[10:14] <xJoshR> df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory
[10:14] <xJoshR> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[10:14] <soc> i wonder why it behaves so completely non-standard
[10:15] <yofel> xJoshR: you did bind-mount /dev, did you?
[10:15] <xJoshR> yes
[10:15] <yofel> hm...
[10:15] <yofel> xJoshR: did you have grub-legacy or grub2 installed?
[10:15] <gellmar> hello! still having problems with sound...
[10:16] <gellmar> alsa is installed and configured properly
[10:16] <gellmar> but no sound at all
[10:16] <shinjitestroch> No idea, never really got sound. Took forever to configure properly on my first EEE
[10:16] <xJoshR> i had typed that previously
[10:16] <xJoshR> and got
[10:16] <gellmar> and in /var/log/messages only input is described]
[10:16] <xJoshR> /proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory /proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory /proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory Installation finished. No error reported.
[10:17] <shinjitestroch> Be happy you are able to get into your system though. Being stuck at Initramfs sucks.
[10:17] <yofel> xJoshR: er.. did you mount proc?
[10:17] <xJoshR> i got about 50+ /proc/devices: fopen failed
[10:17] <xJoshR> it didn't say to in the guide
[10:17] <shinjitestroch> Yikes that does not sound good bug report?
[10:18] <yofel> xJoshR: 'mount -t proc proc /proc'
[10:18] <gellmar> guys, is here an Ubuntu Audio Development Team IRC channel?
[10:18] <gellmar> looks like I need some devs
[10:18] <gellmar> to check my issue...
[10:18] <shinjitestroch> I think the devs could be asleep.
[10:18] <yofel> gellmar: why are you using alsa directly, pulse not working?
[10:18] <gellmar> pulse not working too
[10:18] <shinjitestroch> or out to lunch.
[10:18] <gellmar> looks like kernel driver is not working properly
[10:19] <gellmar> alsa, OSS - still no
[10:19] <xJoshR> ok i'm going to try it now
[10:19] <xJoshR> wish me luck
[10:19] <yofel> gellmar: hm, you could file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug audio' or search for a dev, crimsun is in this channel, but might not be online right now
[10:19] <xJoshR> i'll be back if it doesn't work
[10:20] <nowth> Hello. Anyone know how I could get a higher resolution console (tty) back in Lucid? My old vga=773 kernel option only results in my monitor going "out of range" or displaying pixel garbage
[10:20] <shinjitestroch> Well since josh is out for the moment anyone want to tell me what I can do about initramfs?
[10:20] <gellmar> yofel: I wonder if I should upgrade to 2.6.33 or downgrade to 2.6.32
[10:20] <shinjitestroch> We can alternate on boots ^__^
[10:20] <fatum> just not sure how open gl games could run slow, but compiz runs very fast and smooth.  Maybe different versions?
[10:21] <yofel> gellmar: there are newer alsa driver available in the audio ppa 'ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev' [use with caution]
[10:21] <gellmar> 2.6.32 worked perfectly on karmic
[10:21] <gellmar> and 2.6.32-17+ does not
[10:21] <gellmar> I have already set up backports
[10:21] <gellmar> for 18
[10:22] <yofel> gellmar: you should talk to the devs I think, this should work for lucid, if you just use some upstream kernel it will stay broken for others with the same setup
[10:22] <gellmar> yofel: that's why I am here :)
[10:23] <gellmar> so I remove packports
[10:23] <gellmar> *backports
[10:23] <gellmar> and try out ppa
[10:23] <gellmar> if not, let's check everything out with crimsun
[10:24] <yofel> gellmar: if you have the time to stay in this channel ping him, he'll answer you once he's online
[10:25] <gellmar> crimsun:ping ping ping
[10:25] <gellmar> yofel: I have time... plenty of :)
[10:26] <shinjitestroch> Anyone at all all 316 users? I have no idea what to do about initramfs can't load lucid can't get to login screen and the live cd rescue I don't get on how to use it.
[10:26] <abracadabraa> does anyone have a clue how long there will be before the beta is closed and the finished software is realeased?
[10:27] <shinjitestroch> April 30th last I heard.
[10:27] <shinjitestroch> Well it says so on the site any way.
[10:27] <abracadabraa> shinjitestroch are you using the beta now?
[10:27] <shinjitestroch> si si.
[10:27] <yofel> !shedule | abracadabraa
[10:27] <yofel> !schedule | abracadabraa
[10:27] <abracadabraa> is it stable? don't know if I can wait for 30th :P
[10:28] <gellmar> abracadabraaL it isn't
[10:28] <yofel> shinjitestroch: hm... did you try booting an older kernel?
[10:28] <gellmar> having some troubles with xserver, printing, audio
[10:28] <shinjitestroch> Yup and gone into recovery mode.
[10:29] <abracadabraa> gellmar ok then I guess it's better for me to wait since I am no linux guru
[10:29] <abracadabraa> was using it a long time ago and want to try the new version out
[10:29] <abracadabraa> sick of windows and to poor to buy a mac :P
[10:29] <gellmar> ok... rebooting now...
[10:29] <shinjitestroch> Also tried editing the command line so it would be root=/dev/sda5 ro. No luck there.
[10:30] <shinjitestroch> sda5 obviously my mount point for lucid.
[10:31] <yofel> abracadabraa: you could try installing lucid in a virtual machine in windows and try it out while it's not yet stable
[10:32] <shinjitestroch> I hear ya abra. I'm soooo poor. XP ain't too bad for DoTA and as something to use when linux decides to sit on a spike then bleed anally profusely for a few days.
[10:32] <shinjitestroch> Try VB if your compy can handle it.
[10:34] <solexious> Hia, how can I find out if the next version of ubuntu will have mdadm 3.1?
[10:35] <shinjitestroch> Release notes? Forums, package manager etc.. I really don't know --__--.
[10:35] <yofel> solexious: packages.ubuntu.com has the lucid packages and version info, but 3.1 seems to have missed the feature freeze
[10:35] <yofel> !info mdadm
[10:37] <shinjitestroch> lkj;lkj;ljlkj test
[10:37] <abracadabraa> yofel that is a good option, yes. But my computer isn't that powerful to fully test it. It's just a sony vaio laptop 2.26ghz dual and 4gb ram. The main reason I left ubuntu was the poor ability to watch video. I tried tons of players and settings and I have a HD radeeon gcard with 256mb so wasn't that. Probaly was the ATI driver, tested some different without a perfect result. When I used gnome-mplayer I could see the movies in good fp
[10:37] <aprilhare> yes shinjitestroch your keyboard apparently works
[10:37] <abracadabraa> so I hope they have fixed these issues and I will give it a try again
[10:38] <shinjitestroch> I'm trying to do that reply thing I still can't figure that out. example name:name: helpful message
[10:38] <shinjitestroch> Uh Abra how long ago did you leave ubuntu?
[10:38] <yofel> abracadabraa: well, I don't own an ATI card, but we have quite good open source driver now (no power management for ati cards though have I heard), so it *might* be better, burn yourself a live disk and test it ;)
[10:38] <shinjitestroch> Also Virtual box will be fine on your computer.
[10:39] <abracadabraa> I don't remmber completly but a couple of release ago
[10:39] <shinjitestroch> I wish I had a big processor like yours ghz hah more like 900mhz.
[10:39] <shinjitestroch> As in years or kernal updates?
[10:39] <abracadabraa> but after what I read linux works better with nvidia cards, right?
[10:40] <shinjitestroch> kinda.
[10:40] <toffee> yes
[10:40] <shinjitestroch> Still issues a lot of people are having on the forums.
[10:40] <toffee> ati don't support their old cards
[10:40] <toffee> such as my mach64
[10:40] <yofel> abracadabraa: more or less, the ati open source driver is supposed to be good, but the official nvidia driver works better than fglrx (from the complaints I see in this channel)
[10:41] <toffee> nvidia = no headache in linux/bsd
[10:41] <shinjitestroch> ut2k4 and 2k3 there was support there lol!
[10:41] <yofel> toffee: not quite, suspend with nvidia is still a gamble for me
[10:42] <shinjitestroch> Yeah suspension thats one of the big issues right now with all the cards now that I think about it.
[10:42] <yofel> it works just fine with the intel card in my eeePC
[10:42] <shinjitestroch> Which model yofel?
[10:42] <abracadabraa> can't say it was bad. Was just when I was going to watch 720p videos it didn't make it all the way
[10:42] <toffee> it's gma, not a card
[10:42] <yofel> 1000H
[10:43] <shinjitestroch> son of a bitch
[10:43] <yofel> 945GME
[10:43] <toffee> i rate s3 gma
[10:43] <shinjitestroch> 1000 HD here.
[10:43] <yofel> !language | shinjitestroch
[10:43] <shinjitestroch> doh!
[10:43] <yofel> the gma500 is a mess
[10:44] <shinjitestroch> So first generation EEE of the 1000s?
[10:44] <toffee> a all-via world is awesome, no intel,amd,nvidia and ati
[10:44] <abracadabraa> I am thinking about buying a new computer in the near future. which other stuff do I need to think on? Like the support for cpu's, is intel better supported then amd and such?
[10:44] <yofel> shinjitestroch: not sure, I don't know the full series, but it was one of the first ones
[10:45] <shinjitestroch> HA HD and HE were the first ones.
[10:45] <shinjitestroch> Then it went to 1202 or something like that.
[10:46] <yofel> abracadabraa: from what I've heard look that you get an intel and not a nforce chipet on your mainboard, and from the graphics card I can't say, I think intel or nvidia would be best right now (but as I said, I have no ati to test)
[10:46] <yofel> *chipset
[10:46] <shinjitestroch> Any way I'm using the 1000 and surprised yours works just fine.. Nvidia or Radeon.
[10:46] <shinjitestroch> That's your best bet really.
[10:47] <abracadabraa> yofel thanks
[10:47] <sweet> Hi, I'm having a problem with my HDA-Intel intgerated sound card on my laptop (codec: Realtek ALC275, Intel G45 DEVIBX). My integrated mic doesn't work nor my line in. I'm using the latest linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-19-generic
[10:48] <shinjitestroch> abra Nvidia or Radeon will work. Sounds like gellmas problem to me.
[10:48] <sweet> (my laptop is a Sony VPCS11X9E core i3)
[10:48] <abracadabraa> shinjitestroch ok thanks
[10:49] <shinjitestroch> I'm gonna guess I'm screwed on my boot and will need another reinstall?
[10:49] <costre> -*ecked the sound preferences and chose the correct hardware settings?
[10:50] <costre> sweet, Have you checked the sound preferences and chose the correct hardware settings?
[10:50] <yofel> shinjitestroch: I'm not sure about that, but at least I don't think that I can help you anymore
[10:50] <shinjitestroch> oky doke.
[10:53] <xJoshR> So, it didn't work...
[10:53] <sweet> costre: off course, I only have one device for input and output: 'Internal Audio Analog Stereo'
[10:53] <soc> does anyone know where the source code of the rhythmbox indicator plugin is?
[10:53] <yofel> xJoshR: ok... what exactly *do* you get? can you access the grub menu with shift?
[10:53] <soc> coulnd't find it on gnome, couldn't find it on launchpad ...
[10:54] <xJoshR> no
[10:54] <xJoshR> when i boot, not from liveCD, but just regular boot
[10:54] <xJoshR> it shows my dell logo
[10:54] <xJoshR> then a blank screen with a flashing bar at the top like i can type
[10:54] <xJoshR> which i can type
[10:54] <xJoshR> but nothing happens
[10:54] <xJoshR> it just idles there
[10:55] <xJoshR> my laptop hums as if it's doing something, but nothing ever happens
[10:56] <yofel> xJoshR: have you tried to get to the grub menu by holding shift pressed? by default you see nothing of grub and it just boots the first option
[10:56] <xJoshR> normally i see GRUB... when it boots at the top for a split second
[10:56] <xJoshR> but that never appears
[10:56] <xJoshR> i haven't tried holding shift
[10:56] <xJoshR> i can try it
[10:57] <costre> sweet, Have you checked threads like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810 I had trouble getting my laptops rather advanced sound system to work, but this guide got me through it
[10:57] <yofel> in the past you indeed see grub for a moment,  but we're trying to get grub to be invisible by default
[10:57] <costre> It can be a hassle to get all the small variables just right, but it's possible
[10:57] <xJoshR> Just sucks having to keep going into liveCD, cause this is taking aged
[10:57] <xJoshR> ages*
[10:58] <xJoshR> anyways, yofel. if i do get grub to appear by holding shift, what do i do?
[10:59] <yofel> xJoshR: ok... try to press 'e' to edit your kernel line and replace 'quiet splash' with '--verbose' at the end of the line that starts with kernel...
[10:59] <xJoshR> ok
[10:59] <yofel> xJoshR: or maybe just remove quiet splash first and see what you get
[11:00] <gellmar> got one more trouble
[11:00] <gellmar> swapon: read swap header failed
[11:00] <gellmar> invalid argument
[11:01] <gellmar> mountall: swap mount failed
[11:01] <yofel> gellmar: on your swap partition or file? did you do anything to the swap config?
[11:01] <gellmar> on my swap partition /dev/sdb3
[11:02] <gellmar> nothing
[11:02] <yofel> gellmar: swapon -s doesn't show it as mounted?
[11:02] <gellmar> not mounted
[11:02] <yofel> hm...
[11:02] <xJoshR> i'm gonna copy my music files from /dev/sda3 to some of my flash drives incase i do need a fresh install cause this is insane..
[11:03] <yofel> gellmar: maybe try to format it again?
[11:03] <gellmar> I will try doing it...
[11:03] <xJoshR> i don't see any reason why it did this when trying to upgrade to 10.04 from 9.10
[11:03] <yofel> gellmar: and make sure you didn't use it anywhere else
[11:03] <gellmar> yofel: where else?
[11:03] <gellmar> where can it be used?
[11:04] <gellmar> just did not understand your last reply
[11:04] <yofel> gellmar: no idea, but swap partitions shouldn't change their format by themselves, sure you didn't format it as something else at some point? or was the the partition that was created by the installer?
[11:04] <costre> xJoshR, Upgrading should not be the first choice :) Slating and installing is preferrable
[11:04] <yofel> s/the the/that the/
[11:04] <gellmar> it was the partition made by ubuntu mimal cd
[11:04] <gellmar> *minimal
[11:05] <xJoshR> costre i'll always be wary now when that update manager pops up. i don't think i'm ever going to click yes...
[11:05] <yofel> costre: it shouldn't work any worse
[11:05] <shinjitestroch> sudo apt-get update man
[11:05] <yofel> but upgrading sometime during development isn't that good of a idea
[11:06] <Sweet> Hi, I'm having a problem with my integrated sound card HDA-intel which uses codecs Realtek ALC275 Intel G45 DEVIBX.
[11:06] <gellmar> Sweet: no sound?
[11:06] <gellmar> same here
[11:06] <Sweet> My integrated microphone and my line in don't work
[11:06] <costre> sweet, Have you checked threads like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810 I had trouble getting my laptops rather advanced sound system to work, but this guide got me through it
[11:07] <costre> sweet It can be a hassle to get all the small variables just right, but it's possible
[11:08] <shinjitestroch> I don't trust the update manager either, it is too M$ ish. I feel like it leaves stuff out a lot.
[11:08] <killown> man ubuntu lucid has bugs a lot
[11:08] <killown> virtualbox is impossible to install
[11:08] <killown> emacs not working
[11:09] <Sweet> costre: did you just run the script? or is it getting much more complicated than that?
[11:09] <jng1> re sound... upgraded my sister's machine.. all working fine when down there.. now i've left the mic level is very, very low -- settings from alsamixer look fine.. very strange
[11:09] <xJoshR> yofel, would it be possible to revert my current build back to 9.10 from the disc while preserving the files on that partition?
[11:09] <jng1> it seems the hardware levels got set very low when she suspended
[11:10] <killown> do not upgrade to lucid people
[11:10] <shinjitestroch> Wow it is late sorry for the intrusion and possible rudeness have  good night everyone.
[11:10] <killown> it's a lot unstable
[11:10] <shinjitestroch> weel killown it is calledd beta for a reason.
[11:11] <killown> oooh not it had be named alpha
[11:11] <killown> beta works better
[11:11] <xJoshR> it's beta 1
[11:11] <killown> seems alpha1
[11:11] <xJoshR> beta 2 is released on the 8th
[11:11] <costre> Sweet, I can post my way of getting my system to work, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6180207#post6180207
[11:11] <shinjitestroch> I'm just saying using package manager to upgrade bad idea and lucid is unstable will be for awhile. I expect tis part of of the whole testing experience.
[11:12] <shinjitestroch> good night all.
[11:14] <Sweet> costre: hmm seems you had a problem zith your sound... sound is zorking fine for me it's only the mic that's not willing to zork
[11:14] <Sweet> work*
[11:17] <xJoshR> yofel: i'm going to try your suggestion. if it doesn't work. i'll just put on a clean install of 9.10 i guess.
[11:17] <costre> Sweet, Well, it depends ... If I changed the "model=acer-aspire" to "model=aspire" or something, it would change the properties. I could get two inputs, no surround, different things
[11:17] <xJoshR> wish me luck..
[11:18] <costre> Sweet, But it was some time ago, so the details are fuzzy
[11:20] <Sweet> costre: ok thanks for the intel ;-)
[11:21] <killown> please developers!! fix virtualbox-ose-dkms package
[11:23] <brontosaurusrex> any1 with decent panels setup care to share a snap? this is where i got so far http://imagebin.ca/view/kvlXxtZ.html
[11:23] <jng1> Super-m gives focus to the envelope thingy... then i lose the keyboard for ages -- anyone know where that key binding is set
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> gnome shortcuts.. or in compiz settings perhaps
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> super-m here inverts my screen :)
[11:31] <jng1> i'd looked in both those -- no dice.   it is klling me as i had it bound in compiz to minimize windows -- now it gives focus to the envelope and i haven't figured out what brings it back
[11:31] <jng1> very strange
[11:32] <jng1> end up with focus stuck in the panel
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> ive had a lot of odd issues if i update and gnome stuff gets updated.. while its in use.
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> i log out to console and do updates/upgrades now
[11:35] <LinuxGuy2009> I need to file a bug report about the netbook-remix session. Not sure which package to file against. The (+) signs get stuck thats what I am reporting.Someone know the package I should file that under?
[11:36] <LinuxGuy2009> Should I just file it for ubuntu-netbook-remix metapackage and let them sort it?
[11:42] <lifeofguenter> are there any plans for xubuntu/xfce?
[11:44] <vega> plans?
[11:44] <vega> ask in #xubuntu or #xubuntu-devel ...
[11:44] <lifeofguenter> :P
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> plans to take over teh world?
[11:54] <penguin42> not today
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> PinkyAndTheBrainBuntu
[11:58] <gellmar> how do I change default runlevel to boot into?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> short answer.. you dont
[11:58] <gellmar> etc/inittab does not exist
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu dosent really use runlevels.. it uses Upstart
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> so what are you trying to do exactly
[11:59] <gellmar> just to separate X logons on r5
[11:59] <gellmar> and console on r3
[11:59] <gellmar> and to make two entries in grub
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> clarify what you mean. You  have an issue with X being on r7/8 z
[12:00] <gellmar> by default, Ubuntu loads to runlevel 3
[12:00] <gellmar> emulated one I mean
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> actually its not runlevel 3.
[12:00] <gellmar> and login manager starts
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu dosent work like the other disrtos have in the past
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> runlevel 2 does not go to 'single user mode'  and 3 is not 'gui mode'
[12:01] <Daviey> gellmar: you can create an old school /etc/inittab, and it should be picked up
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> gdm starts because its a service defined to start at  the proper runlevels.
[12:01] <gellmar> yes, in etc/rc*.d
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> You can disable gdm if you want to.
[12:01] <Daviey> or change the grub kernel line
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> technically rc2 is the only real runlevel ubuntu uses  to do work in.  theres theother special ones also
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> !runlevel
[12:01] <Daviey> gellmar: or change the ENV in /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[12:02] <Draglor> technically ubuntu has no runlevel 2 ;)
[12:03] <digim0nk> is there a GUI to switch the window button placement and arrangement in 10.04 beta
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> im suprised they havent moved everything to /etc/init in this release
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> digim0nk:  theres several such tools.
[12:03] <Raphi974> digim0nk, you have to use gconf-editor
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> digim0nk:  and supposubly its to be a 'theme' setting soon.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-tweak lets you change them,   and a few other tools out also. (not in the repos)
[12:04] <LucidLynx> list
[12:04] <Draglor> Dr_Willis: This will take a very long time .. there are many third party apps which don't use upstart ...
[12:04] <digim0nk> Dr_Willis, i hope its possible to change it in the theme settings itself
[12:04] <Draglor> maybe it'll get better as suse and fedora use upstart as well .. but it'll still take time
[12:04] <digim0nk> thanks
[12:06] <digim0nk> Dr_Willis, is this the final button placement or just an experiment for the beta
[12:07] <gellmar> so,,, if I change a grub line, which files are read to emulate that levels?
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> digim0nk:  from what ive read - its soon to be part of the actual theme.. radience themes get them on the left.. others stay on the right
[12:08] <digim0nk> k .. thanks
[12:09] <Daviey> gellmar: /proc/cmdline
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> Mwbuttons (Metacity Window Buttons) is very easy to use yet complete GUI for customizing the Metacity window button order.
[12:09] <vega> gnome still really "being uploaded"? (topic)
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/mwbuttons-complete-gui-for-customizing.html
[12:09] <gellmar> Daviey: thanks
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> vega:  no idea. Ive updated proberly 9 times now :) over the last few days and not seen any issues
[12:09] <digim0nk> Dr_Willis, yeah i saw that .. maybe they could include it by default
[12:09] <Daviey> gellmar: that isn't a "real" file.
[12:10] <red> how do I get audio to output via hdmi?
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> digim0nk:  ubuntu tweak, and  a few other tools also incude the same feature
[12:10] <red> cant figure it out for the life of me
[12:10] <gellmar> Daviey: I see
[12:10] <gellmar> however I changed default runlevel in  /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf
[12:11] <digim0nk> Dr_Willis, i do a lot of installs for non-computer people so i keep the install as close to default as i can
[12:11] <vega> red: what graphics card and does it have spdif in header?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> digim0nk:  yep  - i can see a lot of 'why is it this way...' if someone installed it for a company
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> The UbuntuOne client was updated yesterday in Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx and it can now sync your Firefox bookmarks:
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> a new feautre that i can actually use! :)
[12:12] <digim0nk> yeah .. thats a really good feature
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> id rather see delicious support. :) thats what i use now a days
[12:12] <LucidLynx> u can use chrome in ubuntu for a while with the same feature?
[12:19] <red> vega: got it to work after a bit meddling
[12:19] <red> but something is odd in my new telly, teh sound goes to the TV with hdmi alright, but not from tv to home theatre (scart)
[12:20] <red> thats not ubuntu related tho so nvm :)
[12:25] <aprilhare> red: hmmm
[12:26] <xJoshR> yofel, you still around?
[12:26] <aprilhare> red: depends on whether you're using it as a monitor for ubuntu :)
[12:27] <red> i am using it as a monitor for ubuntu yeah :)
[12:28] <red> but the telly not sending audio to home theathre (after getting it via hdmi) shouldnt be due ubuntu yes?
[12:28] <red> my old telly did it without fiddlign at all
[12:28] <red> ofc I can hook the home theatre to ubuntu with RCA but then its just left+right and I'd miss out the advantage of having 5.1 cabable home theatre
[12:30] <vega> sending output _from_ the tv sounds quite exotic ..
[12:31] <vega> hdmi passthrough yes, but via scart, never heard
[12:31] <red> well I had an older system up until few weeks ago
[12:31] <red> sony home theatre + samsung 32" lcd telly
[12:31] <red> had a hdmi cord going to the tv
[12:31] <red> and tv hooked up to home theatre -> image & audio without much troubles
[12:32] <red> now the same with a lg home theatre and a 50" plasma, and the audio from usual tv shows (and left side RCA inputs) gets directed to the home theatre as should
[12:32] <red> with the exception of hdmi signal playing back thru the televisions own speakers
[12:33] <red> I could always connect the home theatre with hdmi aswell I guess
[12:33] <red> but from what point to what :P
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> ls
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:34] <red> i dont have a soundcard with hdmi output, and if the video card is hooked up to the telly, I dont see any hdmi outputs in the television either
[12:34] <red> and the home theatre only has a RCA and SCART input, and a HDMI output
[12:34] <aprilhare> i want a simple hdmi switch. these things can be hard to find.
[12:34] <vega> so, hdmi -> home theatre -> hdmi -> tv
[12:35] <vega> (this is getting sorta offtopic..)
[12:35] <red> sorta :)
[12:35] <red> no hdmi _in_ in the home theatre
[12:35] <red> guess ill contact LG and ask how they have thought it should be connected
[12:35] <red> they are both same era devices and feels odd to lose features with a newer and more expensive device =)
[12:39] <vistakiller> hi
[12:39] <vistakiller> in boot screen i have a cifs vfs error
[12:39] <vistakiller> in fstab i have a samba line for my internal network
[12:41] <xJoshR> Anyone have any idea why my live CD would work then when i reboot and try and load live cd again it won't
[12:41] <xJoshR> it hasn't been working for the past 3 hours
[12:42] <penguin42> xJoshR: Dirty CD?
[12:42] <xJoshR> it's clean
[12:42] <penguin42> how does it fail?
[12:43] <xJoshR> it shows the splash screen, but then nothing
[12:43] <xJoshR> i changed quiet splash to --verbose
[12:43] <xJoshR> and it just kept repeating the same bunch of lines over again
[12:44] <xJoshR> however
[12:44] <penguin42> and did you change *anything* with the hardware - even plugging a USB key in ?
[12:44] <xJoshR> no i didn't
[12:44] <penguin42> what's the hardware?
[12:45] <xJoshR> define hardware
[12:45] <penguin42> what's the system, what graphics card, is it a laptop etc
[12:45] <xJoshR> laptop
[12:45] <xJoshR> running ubuntu
[12:45] <xJoshR> nividia graphics card
[12:45] <xJoshR> nvidia*
[12:46] <xJoshR> my laptop won't even boot into the main OS
[12:46] <penguin42> hmm curious
[12:46] <xJoshR> i have a windows recovery partition i was wanting to revert back to it
[12:47] <xJoshR> but i don't know how since i can't get on my main os
[12:47] <penguin42> have you turned it off, taken out the battery and tried again?
[12:47] <penguin42> i.e. just completely switch it off
[12:47] <xJoshR> no, because the battery shouldn't be the issue
[12:47] <xJoshR> the reason it doesn't boot into the main os
[12:47] <penguin42> anyway, I'm going out - good luck
[12:48] <xJoshR> is because i tried updrading from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04
[12:50] <ARishi> I installed chrome on ubuntu 10.04 and the bookmarks in the bookmark bar appear cropped height wise (the top and bottom is chipped off). I tried reinstalling the themes, removing the themes, reinstalling chrome itself but no change. I didn't get a fix at the chrome help forums. Is this caused because of something outside the browser?
[12:51] <ARishi> And if I completely want to remove the bookmarks after reinstalling and remove the preferences of google chrome what should I do?
[12:51] <ARishi> after uninstalling*
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> reinstalling is windows thinking :) its installed system wide.. removeing the app did NOT remove the users configs.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> the users settings are somewhere in their home dir.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[12:57] <ARishi> Dr_Willis, I removed the package from synaptic and used Ubuntu tweak to clean up the config
[13:00] <Cameron> i'm having issues with lucid booting, it keeps hanging when booting.  the only way I can get it to boot is add a boot option  "break=premount" then once the busybox shell starts, I type 'exit' and the boot proceeds as normal.
[13:01] <gellmar> yofel: do you know anybody other than crimsun who can help me with sound?
[13:11] <gellmar> !help
[13:12] <gellmar> !commands
[13:12] <yofel> gellmar: not really, crimsun is the only one from the audio team that I know
[13:12] <yofel> !irc
[13:12] <gellmar> yofel: what is the command to list ubottu's commands?
[13:12] <yofel> !me
[13:13] <vistakiller> songbird drops linux support :(
[13:14] <gellmar> yofel: very weird thing
[13:14] <yofel> heh
[13:14] <gellmar> gellmar@HOME:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[13:14] <gellmar> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[13:14] <gellmar> 03:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3870 Audio device
[13:14] <gellmar> so primary device is NVidia
[13:14] <gellmar> and now lsmod
[13:15] <gellmar> gellmar@HOME:~$ lspci | grep Audio
[13:15] <gellmar> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[13:15] <gellmar> 03:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3870 Audio device
[13:15] <gellmar> *not copied
[13:15] <gellmar> gellmar@HOME:~$ lsmod
[13:15] <gellmar> Module                  Size  Used by
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_hda_codec_atihdmi     2927  1
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_hda_codec_realtek   319558  1
[13:15] <gellmar> fbcon                  39270  71
[13:15] <gellmar> tileblit                2487  1 fbcon
[13:15] <gellmar> font                    8053  1 fbcon
[13:15] <gellmar> bitblit                 5811  1 fbcon
[13:15] <gellmar> softcursor              1565  1 bitblit
[13:15] <gellmar> vga16fb                12757  0
[13:15] <gellmar> vgastate                9857  1 vga16fb
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_hda_intel          25626  0
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq_dummy           1910  0
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_hda_codec         103843  3 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq_oss            34818  0
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_hwdep               7002  1 snd_hda_codec
[13:15] <gellmar> radeon                738855  2
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq_midi            6149  0
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_pcm_oss            47321  0
[13:15] <gellmar> ttm                    60815  1 radeon
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_rawmidi            23795  1 snd_seq_midi
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_mixer_oss          15862  1 snd_pcm_oss
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq_midi_event      7171  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
[13:15] <gellmar> edac_core              45423  0
[13:15] <gellmar> i2c_nforce2             6099  0
[13:15] <gellmar> drm_kms_helper         30710  1 radeon
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq                61264  6 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_pcm                95335  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
[13:15] <gellmar> drm                   198962  4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
[13:15] <gellmar> i2c_algo_bit            6024  1 radeon
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_seq_device          6978  5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[13:15] <gellmar> snd_timer              23657  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
[13:15] <gellmar> ppdev                   6375  0
[13:15] <gellmar> edac_mce_amd            9182  0
[13:15] <gellmar> k8temp                  3912  0
[13:15] <gellmar> lp                      9336  0
[13:15] <gellmar> parport_pc             30118  1
[13:15] <gellmar> snd                    77690  16 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_intel,snd_seq_dummy,snd_hda_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_hwdep,snd_seq_midi,snd_pcm_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer
[13:16] <gellmar> soundcore               8052  1 snd
[13:16] <gellmar> snd_page_alloc          8788  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
[13:16] <gellmar> parport                37160  3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
[13:16] <gellmar> ohci1394               30548  0
[13:16] <gellmar> usbhid                 40988  0
[13:16] <gellmar> hid                    83280  1 usbhid
[13:16] <gellmar> ieee1394               94798  1 ohci1394
[13:16] <gellmar> forcedeth              55988  0
[13:16] <gellmar> sata_nv                23778  1
[13:16] <gellmar> pata_amd               11962  1
[13:16] <gellmar> snd_hda_intel
[13:16] <gellmar> so we have an intel kmode driver on NVidia device
[13:16] <gellmar> and I don't know why
[13:16] <yofel> !paste | gellmar
[13:17] <gellmar> yofel: !excuseme
[13:17] <gellmar> :)
[13:17] <yofel> np, just don't do it again ;)
[13:17] <gellmar> forgot...
[13:17] <gellmar> what about pastrebin'ing?
[13:18] <gellmar> *pastebin
[13:19] <yofel> isn't that what ubottu said?
[13:19] <gellmar> not
[13:19] <gellmar> pastebin.xx
[13:19] <yofel> ok, it didn't use the word pastebin
[13:19] <yofel> gellmar: use what you want, we just suggest paste.ubuntu.com
[13:20] <gellmar> well
[13:20] <gellmar> so no reaction on backports and so on...
[13:20] <gellmar> and a bug with swap
[13:21] <gellmar> reformatting of swap and mkswap helped nothing
[13:21] <yofel> hm
[13:21] <gellmar> looks like it's time to file a buggg
[13:22] <yofel> gellmar: don't forget to use ubuntu-bug to file bugs ;)
[13:25] <gellmar> yofel: sent
[13:25] <gellmar> a bug
[13:25] <yofel> which one?
[13:25] <gellmar> about swap
[13:26] <gellmar> audio is keeping
[13:26] <gellmar> but I don't know if I should send the audio bug as kernel or alsa?
[13:28] <yofel> gellmar: use 'ubuntu-bug audio' and do what apport tells you
[13:28] <gellmar> and if I don't use Pulse?
[13:28] <gellmar> audio works only for pulse users
[13:28] <yofel> hm...
[13:29] <yofel> file it against alsa-base I think
[13:29] <gellmar> I prefer alsa-oss for some hardware reasons
[13:29] <gellmar> okay
[13:29] <xJoshR> yofel, you're alive.
[13:29] <twiztid> hey peguins
[13:30] <yofel> xJoshR: was gone for a while
[13:31] <xJoshR> sorry, it's i'm getting really frustrated
[13:31] <xJoshR> live CD won't boot anymore for whatever reason
[13:32] <xJoshR> and neither will my os
[13:32] <twiztid> any1 got a min to help explain how to conjure up the LucidLunx grub installer on command?
[13:32] <xJoshR> i am wanting to use the windows recovery partition i have on my laptop
[13:32] <xJoshR> but i can't even get to it now
[13:32] <aboSamoor_> my desktop is not responsive when I run compiz, is this known for intel GM965 cards ?
[13:33] <freevryheid> anyone else having problems with sudo apt-get install subversion
[13:34] <yofel> freevryheid: can you pastebin the error you get? I already have it installed here
[13:34] <yofel> twiztid: what are  you trying to do?
[13:34] <yofel> xJoshR: where does it hang?
[13:34] <xJoshR> after the ubuntu logo
[13:35] <yofel> xJoshR: does something happen if you press esc?
[13:35] <xJoshR> no
[13:35] <yofel> xJoshR: what's your graphics card?
[13:35] <twiztid> force the included grub installer to re-install, as i selected the wrong partition...
[13:35] <xJoshR> nvidia
[13:36] <yofel> xJoshR: tried adding nomodeset to the kernel boot line? not sure if that works for nouveau though
[13:36] <yofel> xJoshR: or at least tried to remove quiet splash?
[13:36] <xJoshR> i managed to remove quiet splash when bootom from disk
[13:36] <freevryheid> Here's the error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/408588/
[13:36] <xJoshR> i don't recall what it said exactly
[13:37] <xJoshR> but it was the same chunk of lines being repeated
[13:37] <xJoshR> it was an I/O Error of somesort
[13:37] <yofel> fvs: maybe clean the downloaded file and try again?
[13:38] <yofel> xJoshR: o.O, and did you try it for your instelled os?
[13:38] <xJoshR> i can't try it for my installed os
[13:38] <fvs> yofel: how'd I do that
[13:38] <twiztid> during the beta upgrade, i selected the wrong partition and upon reboot i got the 'grub rescue>' prompt; inserted the livecd, mounted and reinstalled/updated grub2 and rebooted
[13:38] <xJoshR> it's not allowing me to get to that screen
[13:39] <yofel> xJoshR: you can't get to the grub screen if you hold shift pressed?
[13:39] <xJoshR> no
[13:39] <yofel> hm...
[13:39] <yofel> fvs: try to clean the cache with apt-get clean
[13:39] <twiztid> ...now 20 sec cursor hang AFTER boot selection from grub, AND compiz effects deathly slow (probly my ati)
[13:41] <yofel> xJoshR: I'm clueless then, maybe try to install karmc and upgrade if you can?
[13:41] <xJoshR> i can't.. the boot cd won't even load the install ubuntu option
[13:41] <xJoshR> it ends up hanging
[13:41] <xJoshR> same as if i choose run ubuntu without any changes to your computer
[13:42] <billy2007> hey peeps what the big fuss on lucid then what new features will it boast
[13:42] <twiztid> xJoshR: worse comes to worse, take out the CMOS battery and then try to access bios to instruct boot off cd?
[13:42] <yofel> billy2007: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview
[13:43] <xJoshR> hopefully my sister has a vista cd so i can restore
[13:43] <fvs> still a no go - can someone try installing subversion, maybe it's my repo
[13:43] <xJoshR> if not i'm going to go buy win7
[13:43] <xJoshR> cause this is retarded
[13:43] <yofel> fvs: could be a broken file on the server then
[13:43] <billy2007> WINDOWS IS RETARTED
[13:43] <billy2007> why pay for it
[13:44] <yofel> billy2007: it usually works
[13:44] <gellmar> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/408591/
[13:44] <xJoshR> because i never had any errors like i'm having now with windows.
[13:44] <monkey_dust> i have two pc's, one laptop, one desktop, both have openssh-server + client installed -- i can ssh from the laptop to the desktop, but not the other way -- hints & tips pls?
[13:44] <billy2007> yofel, sorry was replying to xJoshR
[13:44] <fvs> install using: sudo apt-get install subversion and then remove it: sudo apt-get remove subversion if you want
[13:45] <twiztid> yofel: any suggestions on gettin the ubuntu10.04 grub installer back up again?
[13:45] <gellmar> twiztid: there are
[13:45] <gellmar> ways to get it manually
[13:45] <gellmar> to work
[13:45] <yofel> twiztid: didn't you say you already reinstalled it? the only way I know is boot a live disk, chroot and then reinstall grub
[13:46] <twiztid> thats wat i need, i get the grub rescue at boot
[13:46] <gellmar> yofel: if working with legacy grub niot
[13:46] <xJoshR> i tried that and this happened to me
[13:46] <gellmar> *not
[13:46] <twiztid> yofel: ubuntu beta upgrade still uses same ol grub2?
[13:46] <billy2007> wwhen i download lucid when it becomes stable will i be able to upgrade without burning a live cd
[13:47] <gellmar> you can manually copy all contents for /usr/lib/grub/{arch} to /boot/grub for a legacy grub
[13:47] <yofel> twiztid: grub2 is new, and I don't know what happens to grub-legacy on upgrade
[13:47] <xJoshR> is there not a way to specify which partition to use to boot with fromthe setup menu when you startup your comp?
[13:47] <fvs> yofel: does this warrant a bug report?
[13:47] <gellmar> and if the grub MBR is set you will get working grub
[13:47] <yofel> fvs: give me a moment
[13:47] <inveratulo> hi all -- aptitude is still showing 170 packages to be updated, but i have already done the updates... what gives/
[13:48] <yofel> inveratulo: could be held back due to a package conflict
[13:48] <twiztid> noted... thx, so its jus a new grub gui?
[13:49] <yofel> twiztid: not really, they pretty much rewrote everything it seems, looks much more complex now
[13:49] <fvs> invertatulo: new install?
[13:49] <monkey_dust> hi all -- i have two pc's, one laptop (Ubuntu), one desktop (Debian), both have openssh-server + client installed and both have a static IP address within the same range -- i can ssh from the laptop to the desktop, but not the other way -- hints & tips pls?
[13:51] <yofel> monkey_dust: which sounds rather odd... at least everything works fine here, iptables blocking something maybe?
[13:51] <fvs> monkey_dust: tried ssh user@ip (i.e. provide ip address instead of server name)
[13:51] <twiztid> thats wat i had assumed cause its completely diff. but in the long run i didnt 'downgrade' the grub by livecd. if so, what pkgs or sources would have the updated grub?
[13:51] <yofel> monkey_dust: or does nmap show the used ssh port as open?
[13:51] <monkey_dust> fvs, i use the respective ip addresses
[13:51] <inveratulo> fvs: yes new install... i hda to ctrl-c the first aptitude run because I wanted to run it in a screen (while I was away)
[13:51] <monkey_dust> yofel, i'l try nmap
[13:52] <yofel> fvs: installing subversion from my mirror works fine, broken server I guess
[13:52] <fvs> monkey_dust: ok - tried the server names i.e. ssh user@server
[13:52] <inveratulo> fvs: the second run finished successfully, but after a reboot it still shows that I need to reboot, and that there are more patches...
[13:52] <fvs> yofel: thanks!
[13:56] <Lunks> Hello! I upgraded a machine to lucid and now it stopped booting. It's getting me: plymouth main process killed by segv signal
[13:57] <Lunks> Help me, #ubuntu+1, you're my only hope. <3
[13:57] <fvs> inveratulo: sounds right. why not try: sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade from the command line to install instead of aptitude
[13:57] <zzz_> The builders queue for i386 has been empty for some time now, although the header here still says GNOME 2.30 pkgs are in-flux, so don't upgrade yet. Is this correct? or just not up to date?
[13:57] <Lunks> That is, after I remove splash to actually see an error message.
[13:57] <gellmar> Lunks: my machine booted well with such an error
[13:58] <gellmar> can you provide paste of /var/log/messages
[13:58] <Lunks> gellmar: really? hmm there are /2/ errors, actually
[13:58] <gellmar>  var/log/dmesg
[13:58] <gellmar> var/log/daemon.log
[13:58] <Lunks> gellmar: It might be a little difficult as I can boot at all.
[13:58] <gellmar> boot from a livecd and use FF
[13:58] <gellmar> firefox
[13:58] <gellmar> to access internet
[13:58] <inveratulo> fvs: i tried that, but no love -- even tried reinstalling the package managers via 'reinstall'
[13:59] <yofel> zzz_: topic not up to date
[14:00] <zzz_> yofel: Then safe to do a 'safe-upgrade'?
[14:00] <yofel> zzz_: first run safe-upgrade and only if something is held back run full-upgrade and check what it does before continuing
[14:01] <fvs> inveratulo: tried sudo apt-get clean ?
[14:01] <inveratulo> fvs: yea i tried that and autoclean and forget-new
[14:01] <monkey_dust> ssh problem was caused by ufw, thanks for the help tho :)
[14:02] <yofel> inveratulo: does aptitude list any upgradable packages in interactive mode?
[14:03] <inveratulo> fvs: yofel: i figured it out. -- after expanding the window i saw two motds... so i immediately figured /etc/motd.tail was the issue, and sure enough somehow an old motd made its way into motd.tail and was scrollin gup the real one!!  (this being in server, sory for the confusion)
[14:04] <yofel> oh ^^
[14:04] <inveratulo> the wrong time on "System Information as of... " should have clued me in.. lol
[14:05] <fvs> yofel: yep, it was the server - I changed and was able to install np
[14:05] <gellmar> yofel: a strange thing
[14:05] <gellmar> how do I restart alsa
[14:06] <gellmar> after there is no initscript
[14:06] <yofel> Lunks: can you get a working terminal with ctrl+alt+f1 ? if not try pressing alt+sysrq+i (sysrq is usually printscr)
[14:06] <yofel> gellmar: not sure, alsactl restart?
[14:06] <gellmar> no
[14:07] <yofel> I really don't know very much about audio
[14:07] <Lunks> gellmar: There's also: udevd[358]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/95-ZTE-MF100.rules:1
[14:07] <Lunks> gellmar: I'm trying to find a LiveCD here, but meanwhile, this shouldn't been a problem, would it?
[14:07] <Lunks> should*
[14:08] <billy2007> wwhen i download lucid when it becomes stable will i be able to upgrade without burning a live cd
[14:08] <gellmar> billy2007: sure
[14:08] <gellmar> use netboot
[14:08] <billy2007> niceee
[14:08] <Lunks> yofel: will try
[14:09] <billy2007> lunks its not stable yet
[14:09] <gellmar> my sound works!!!!!!!!! :)
[14:09] <gellmar> sudo alsactl --debug init
[14:09] <gellmar> thanks yofel :)
[14:09] <yofel> o.O
[14:10] <yofel> alsa is odd...
[14:10] <gellmar> but I need OSS due to my motherboard
[14:10] <gellmar> and pulse produces crappy sound
[14:10] <gellmar> when the SB is hot
[14:10] <Lunks> yofel: I can switch to a non-interactive terminal, so yep, at least it's not locked/crashed
[14:11] <yofel> non-interactive?
[14:11] <Lunks> pressing alt+sysrq+i got me 'SysRq: Changing Loglevel/Loglevel set to 5'
[14:11] <Lunks> yofel: blank screen, blinking cursos
[14:11] <Lunks> cursor*
[14:13] <billy2007> if i use  e from Ubuntu 9.10 on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d will it upgrade the system to lucid
[14:13] <Lunks> billy2007
[14:13] <Lunks> yep
[14:14] <zzz_> yofel: I ran the 'safe-upgrade' command and see 36 pkgs to upgrade, 0 new, removed, or not upgraded. Should I apply that and then run the same command substituting 'full-upgrade' for 'safe-upgrade' or cancel the 'safe-upgrade' and run 'full-upgrade' and apply it only if it shows nothing to be held back. Sorry, this is my first time working with a Beta.
[14:14] <billy2007> nicee and will it auto upgrade when it releases new stuff cos i know its not 100% stable yet
[14:14] <gellmar> rebooting m\now
[14:15] <Lunks> billy2007: synaptic/apt-get/update-manager will do the job as it does now, no problem
[14:15] <billy2007> lunks cool imma upgrade now then
[14:16] <billy2007> luns and i just wanna be ure b4 i upgrade itss the same as karmic with extra features?
[14:17] <red> just tested kernel -19
[14:17] <red> -19 stops during boot saying my ntfs partitioned hard disks arent present, do i want to wait or skip mounting and boot up
[14:17] <red> booting up works fine if i skip it, otherwise it just sits there
[14:17] <red> -18 and -17 wont boot up at all so back to -16 again pff
[14:17] <yofel> zzz_: run the safe upgrade first
[14:18] <red> soon I can't safeupgrade, only room for one more version in grub :>
[14:18] <billy2007> and im on mobile broadband not hard wired so will it disconnect while im upgrading
[14:19] <billy2007> Lunks, and i just wanna be ure b4 i upgrade itss the same as karmic with extra features?
[14:20] <billy2007> you guys are useless
[14:20] <billy2007> !!!
[14:21] <gellmar> billy2007: this will be a lucid
[14:21] <gellmar> not extra karmic
[14:21] <gellmar> but your settings will be kept
[14:21] <bazhang> he quit
[14:22] <gellmar> well
[14:22] <jemark> gwibber doesn't work anymore here..
[14:22] <jemark> re-install doesn't help
[14:22] <yofel> bigfoot-: it might disconnect, but it will fetch anything it needs for the upgrade before it applies the upgrade
[14:22] <jemark> when removing the facebook account, the last entries are still there
[14:23] <yofel> oh, he's gone...
[14:23] <jemark> when trying to add the facebook account agan, then it won't add the account...
[14:23] <yofel> jemark: I have heard others having issues with gwibber, checked if there's a bug report?
[14:29] <Lunks> Booting to a LiveCD, hope there's something that can be done. :/
[14:32] <Raphi974> Does Gnome Shell works well on Lucid beta ?
[14:33] <yofel> !info gnome-shell | Raphi974
[14:33] <yofel> Raphi974: it's there, but not used by default
[14:33] <Raphi974> yofel, i don't want the info. Just want some feedback from those who uses it
[14:35] <billy2007> bluetooth compiz-fusion-plugins-extra glchess glines gnect gnibbles gnobots2 gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits gnotravex gnotski gtali iagno latex-xft-fonts libcompress-bzip2-perl libesd-alsa0 libgmime-2.0-2a libgtkhtml2-0 libiw29 libkpathsea4 libsensors3 libtalloc1 libtrackerclient0 libusplash0 mesa-utils netcat-traditional openoffice.org-hyphenation openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-au openoffice.org-thesaurus-
[14:35] <billy2007> en-us python-sexy sreadahead ubuntu-xsplash-artwork xsane xsane-common xsplash xulrunner-1.9.1 xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support
[14:35] <billy2007> none of this is supported on lucid
[14:35] <billy2007> ??
[14:36] <yofel> billy2007: yes, they were either dropped or were replaced by something else
[14:36] <billy2007> so ill still have everything? or replaced version
[14:36] <gellmar> billy2007: everything
[14:36] <billy2007> sorry i just dont wanna mess up my pc
[14:36] <gellmar> new packages but all your data
[14:37] <Lunks> there's nothing on my log files, looks like my root partition is not booted at all
[14:37] <Lunks> is there anything I can do? Perhaps /etc/fstab?
[14:37] <bazhang> billy2007, best to wait for release
[14:37] <gellmar> Lunks: ls /proc/cmdline
[14:37] <bazhang> billy2007, the packages will be updated of course
[14:37] <gellmar> on your bootable partition
[14:37] <topyli> billy2007, if you don't want to mess up your pc, don't install unstable operating systems on it :)
[14:37] <billy2007> only thingis im on mobile broadband will it disconnect while upgrading?
[14:37] <yofel> Lunks: check if you have any usbfs stuff in your fstab maybe
[14:38] <bazhang> billy2007, you might consider a home partition that is separate in future
[14:38] <Lunks> gellmar nothing at all
[14:38] <yofel> gellmar: err... /proc/cmdline on the live disk will show live disk info
[14:38] <billy2007> topyli, i dont mind ive got a live cd for karmic
[14:38] <billy2007> bazhang, i only want lucid though
[14:38] <gellmar> yofel: sorry..
[14:38] <bazhang> billy2007, of course make backups of all important data
[14:38] <gellmar> Lunks /media/disk/proc/cmdline
[14:39] <gellmar> :)
[14:39] <bazhang> billy2007, in all upgrade cases, beta or no
[14:39] <Lunks> proc isn't mounted, gellmar
[14:39] <billy2007> bazhang, yes lol will it disconnect from mobile broadband while upgrading or download first then install
[14:39] <bazhang> billy2007, no unless there is a power outage or the like
[14:40] <billy2007> bazhang, cool that was my only real worry
[14:40] <Lunks> There's nothing on syslog, dmesg, or daemon.log. No new logs since I upgraded to lucid. Looks like it doesn't mount at all.
[14:40] <gellmar> billy2007: first load then install
[14:40] <bazhang> billy2007, the main issue is not the downloading, but the configuration stage
[14:40] <billy2007> gellmar,  coool
[14:40] <yofel> !proc | gellmar
[14:40] <billy2007> bazhang, whats that
[14:40] <echosystm> Ubuntu One would be so much better if it aggregated multiple music stores
[14:40] <yofel> meh
[14:40] <echosystm> dont you guys think?
[14:40] <billy2007> configuration stage?
[14:41] <bazhang> billy2007, the very last steps when all downloading is done, right before you need to reboot
[14:41] <echosystm> locking into one store kinda goes against the FOSS way!
[14:41] <Lunks> Is there anything I can do more? It won't boot, plymouth crashing
[14:41] <billy2007> bazhang, i should be ok :)
[14:41] <gellmar> remove plymouth themes
[14:41] <Lunks> It won't mount my disk.
[14:41] <gellmar> from a chroot
[14:41] <Lunks> plymouth is a theme? don't think so
[14:42] <billy2007> right im gunna go now devoe my connection to the dwnload only got i-net till 4pm
[14:42] <gellmar> it is that crappy graphics at startup
[14:42] <topyli> i've been removing plymouth a lot, but right now it seems to work again
[14:42] <gellmar> yofel: BTW do you know how to remove plymouth staff completely
[14:42] <gellmar> from initramfs etc
[14:43] <gellmar> I want to see clear screen and fast one
[14:43] <gellmar> to get 10 secs to start ubuntu
[14:45] <yofel> gellmar: remove quiet splash (or at least splash) from grub kernel line
[14:46] <gellmar> thanks
[14:46] <gellmar> have to go :)
[14:46] <Lunks> It just restarted working
[14:48] <mikedep333> hey, nautilus fails to browse my (windows/SMB) workgroups. it also fails to access an SMB server by name, even though smblookup finds it. What package should the bug report list? (with apport-gtk)
[14:50] <mikedep333> also, two-finger scrolling for my touchpad is greyed out when it should be possible
[14:51] <avu> mikedep333, gvfs or gvfs-backends probably
[14:57] <Raphi974> Anyone tried to install Gnome Shell and has an error with libgjs0 ?
[15:14] <mikedep333> how should I report that two-finger scrolling can't be enabled?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> There was or is a bug on that in launchpad. I can't find it at the moment
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Normally, it goes against 'linux' so you could use 'ubuntu-bug linux' in a terminal
[15:24] <Valdiyen> Got a problem with kubuntu's network manager. Hibernated my desktop and now network manager is disabled. The setting survives reboots.
[15:24] <Valdiyen> How do I re-enable it?
[15:25] <yofel> Valdiyen: what do you mean with disabled? the icon  is gone?
[15:25] <Valdiyen> No, it's there. When you click on it it says it's disabled
[15:25] <Valdiyen> If you over, it says the network is unmanaged
[15:25] <Valdiyen> over -> hover
[15:26] <yofel> hm...
[15:26] <Valdiyen> the driver is loaded, no errors.  It looks just like it did yesterday before I hibernated the system
[15:26] <Valdiyen> it as in the log messages
[15:26] <Valdiyen> What I am not seeing are the eth0 link up messages
[15:27] <lucitu> Valdiyen: open a terminal and sudo dhclient..will reconnect network
[15:27] <Valdiyen> So, it seems the network-manager bits for kubuntu are not bringing up the link
[15:27] <bazhang> Valdiyen, you see eth0?
[15:27] <yofel> Valdiyen: but 'ifconfig' shows eth0 ?
[15:27] <bazhang> Valdiyen, if so, then sudo dhclient eth0
[15:27] <Valdiyen> yep, dhclient got me a link
[15:28] <Valdiyen> network-manager is still not managing the link however
[15:28] <Valdiyen> Seems like it was disabled during the hibernate process and was not re-enabled on the restore
[15:28] <bazhang> knetworkmanager is somewhat flaky in that respect
[15:29] <Valdiyen> Yeah, have they switched to the new one or is this still the old one?
[15:29] <lunks> Ok, for some reason it's working now. :D
[15:29] <lunks> Apart from the issues upgrading it, it runs great now
[15:29] <Valdiyen> I remember seeing something about testing a new network-manager on the kubuntu-devel ml
[15:30] <Valdiyen> But anyways, any ideas on where it might hide a config option that is disabling it?
[15:30] <yofel> the new one is the plasma applet, as it's still experimental it's not used by default
[15:31] <Valdiyen> Ah, ok, so I'm still using the old one
[15:31] <lunks> I don't like the new theme at all, but Telepathy seems much more integrated, Gwibber too. Integrating them both to feel as they are one program. :)
[15:40] <zzz_> yofel: Just completed the 'safe-upgrade' and followed with the 'full-upgrade' which found 0 pkgs to install, upgrade, or remove. I take it all is up to date and I should be able to check to see if any bugs have been fixed or new ones are to be found? The i386 build queue remains empty, might that be a good sign?
[15:42] <yofel> zzz_: yes, and as the beta2 freeze is now in effect we shouldn't see any new packages until beta2, only bug fixes.
[15:43] <tsuru> do the nvidia binary drivers work with beta?
[15:43] <billy2007> im upgrading in 10mins is lucid the sane as karmic but better?
[15:44] <tsuru> billy2007: it's nearly the same, in most respects better but still in beta
[15:44] <tsuru> so it might be buggy here in there
[15:44] <billy2007> tsuru, cool
[15:44] <tsuru> here and there
[15:45] <billy2007> tsuru, well if it helps make it stable quicker by reporting bugs why not ive always got a karmic live cd to go back if i need to
[15:45] <yofel> tsuru: the 195 (current) driver from  the repository works, 96 and 173 are supposed to work
[15:45] <zzz_> yofel: I just rebooted, and will now start checking to see if any previous problems have been cleared or changed, or any new ones have appeared, and update bug reports as necessary. So far everything looks normal. Thanks.
[15:45] <billy2007> ooooh 100 files left to go
[15:46] <billy2007> tsuru, just one more quick question is i hard to set up?
[15:46] <billy2007> is it hard to set up sorry
[15:47] <venger> i have removed plymouth(-x11) and i am getting mountall:  Could not connect to Plymouth.  anyone know where it is referenced?
[15:47] <billy2007> im not being funny but i only have i-net for 15mins now as on mobile broadband have to top it up so can sum1 answer please
[15:47] <billy2007> is it hard to set up sorry
[15:48] <billy2007> any1 cos this is slowing up the download
[15:49] <billy2007> bollocks to ya
[15:50] <yofel> venger: that is known and shouldn't affect your boot in any way, and if you have removed pylmouth then it's supposed to display that
[15:51] <venger> yofel, i realized it didn't cause problems , but are you implying it is now hardcoded somewhere perhaps in mountall itself?
[15:51] <tsuru> billy2007 heh... leave no patience
[15:52] <yofel> venger: I'm not sure where it comes from really
[15:54] <yellabs> hello all good people
[15:55] <yellabs> i wanto use zsync, how do i set the dir where zsync would look for the old to the new image?
[15:55] <yellabs> i now got : zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:55] <yellabs> wich downloads the image
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I think you have to start zsync in the directory with the old image, for it to work
[15:55] <yellabs> but i wnat it to look at the old, and update it to the new
[15:56] <yellabs> okey
[15:56] <yellabs> good tip thanks
[15:57] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:59] <yellabs> it seems do do something
[15:59] <yellabs> who knows what...
[15:59] <yellabs> would it also replace the time stamp?
[15:59] <yellabs> that you know?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[16:05] <yellabs> would this be okey, so that when the check is ready zenity will popup ...
[16:05] <yellabs> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso ; zenity --info
[16:05] <lunks> Is the topic about Gnome correct?
[16:05] <coz_> yep
[16:05] <lunks> I shouldn't upgrade my packages on Lucid for now?
[16:06] <yellabs> oh
[16:06] <WishingMaster> need expert on getting my 3g usb modem to get recognize/work in lucid
[16:06] <yellabs> hehe good that you mentioned that
[16:07] <yellabs> better not sync now, ah , to late sync is already in progress
[16:08] <WishingMaster> 3g usb modem not working in lucid,plz suggest steps
[16:08] <yellabs> what brand?
[16:08] <yellabs> and wich version of ubuntu?
[16:09] <WishingMaster> lucid version
[16:09] <WishingMaster> how does brand matter?
[16:09] <yofel> lunks: nope, nopic is outdated, you can upgrade
[16:10] <lunks> yofel, okie
[16:10] <yellabs> what happens when you plug it in"
[16:10] <yellabs> ?
[16:10] <chazco> Hi... how can I setup a hal fdi file (or equiv) in 10.04? Trying to get my touchscreen to work
[16:11] <yellabs> plug in the device, and use the terminal , dmesg | tail , to see the message ,
[16:11] <WishingMaster> i blinks as usual but it is not recognized as usb modem any more
[16:11] <WishingMaster> i tried lsusb
[16:11] <yellabs> any more? it used to work?
[16:12] <WishingMaster> yes it use to work in karmic very well
[16:12] <WishingMaster> but since the update it is not recognized
[16:14] <yellabs> yes i see
[16:15] <yellabs> i was looking around to see if there is someone with the same kind of problem , or an nice how to...
[16:15] <yellabs> the first thing i read was this, on your topic http://losca.blogspot.com/2010/02/ubuntu-1004-and-3g-modems-usb.html
[16:16] <WishingMaster> this issue is very common i think
[16:16] <yellabs> dont know if it gives any answers. but you can check it out
[16:16] <avis> WishingMaster, it took a package called usb-modeswitch for it to work with mine
[16:17] <avis> reboot, then it would be recognized by network-manager-gnome
[16:17] <WishingMaster> how do we install that
[16:17] <WishingMaster> i have downloaded it
[16:17] <avis> i'm guessing its in the lucid repos
[16:17] <WishingMaster> whats the command?
[16:17] <avis> sudo apt-get install usb-modeswitch
[16:17]  * yellabs on the background
[16:18] <WishingMaster> i have downloaded it in my sys
[16:18] <WishingMaster> how to install
[16:18] <WishingMaster> command?
[16:18] <avis> i just told you
[16:19] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install usb-modeswitch
[16:19] <bazhang> WishingMaster, ^^
[16:19] <WishingMaster> apt-get   will try to fetch it from repos    isn't that correcgt
[16:19] <avis> and install when followed by install
[16:22] <WishingMaster> avis, i have usb-modeswitch   downloaded on a flash drive, pls give me the command to install it from the flash drive
[16:23] <avis> sudo dpkg -i usb-mode*.deb
[16:23] <WishingMaster> cool
[16:23] <avis> or double click on the deb
[16:24] <WishingMaster> there is no deb file in that folder
[16:25] <BadHorsie> Shouldn't people with at least basic knowledge on a debian system be the ones trying even a "beta" release of lucid?
[16:26] <WishingMaster> BadHorsie, so whats wrong in trying?
[16:26] <bazhang> WishingMaster, you in the correct directory?
[16:26] <WishingMaster> i have enough experts to help me like avis
[16:27] <BadHorsie> WishingMaster: I guess I'd call it common sense, people could be debugging real applications problems/bugs instead of layer 8 issues.
[16:27] <WishingMaster> whatever
[16:28] <gellmar> BadHorsie: why not helping a newbie?
[16:28] <gellmar> everybody is n00b somewhere
[16:28] <bazhang> WishingMaster, you can see the deb? or going via commandline
[16:28] <BadHorsie> sudo dpkg -i /wherever/you/mounted/your/flash/drive/and/wherever/the/downloaded/file/is/usb-mode.deb
[16:29] <jmcantrell> i can't get ubuntu one syncing to work. it always shows "synchronization in progre...", but it doesn't appear to be doing anything. anyone know what might be wrong?
[16:29] <BadHorsie> gellmar: Right, I wouldn't expect to help a noob play with lucid if he doesn't even know the basic tools of a Debian system, but I was just wondering if the lucid release was stable enoguh.
[16:30] <gellmar> WishingMaster: man dpkg
[16:31] <WishingMaster> give me a moment guys
[16:31] <bazhang> WishingMaster, you copied it to your Desktop ?
[16:32] <WishingMaster> usb-modeswitch-1.1.1.tar.bz2 i have downloaded this file
[16:32] <BenHoltz> is it safe to upgrade from beta 1 to beta 2 yet?
[16:32] <WishingMaster> usb-modeswitch-1.1.1.tar.bz2
[16:32] <bazhang> WishingMaster, thats not the one you need
[16:32] <WishingMaster> oh
[16:32] <BadHorsie> You gotta download the DEB package
[16:33] <BadHorsie> Unless you want to compile
[16:33] <topyli> usb-modeswitch is in universe
[16:33] <WishingMaster> where can i get the deb ?
[16:33] <WishingMaster> link pls
[16:33] <charlie-tca> BenHoltz: if you are applying the daily updates, you will be at beta2 when it releases
[16:33] <topyli> *sigh*
[16:34] <charlie-tca> WishingMaster: the link is already in the repositories, just do 'sudo apt-get update' then install it from the repos
[16:34] <BenHoltz> charlie-tca, i read the subject for the channel and it says the packages are in flux and not to upgrade yet... thats why i ask.
[16:34] <jmcantrell> ubuntu one syncing working for anyone?
[16:35] <WishingMaster> charlie-tca, i can access internet in lucid,currently using XP
[16:35] <bazhang> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=usb-modeswitch&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all WishingMaster
[16:35] <WishingMaster> checking bazhang
[16:36] <bazhang> WishingMaster, you'll need to install the depends if they are not already there
[16:36] <charlie-tca> BenHoltz: I think that needs an update in the topic now
[16:36] <charlie-tca> It should be okay, I think.
[16:36] <BenHoltz> charlie-tca, 10-4
[16:37] <BenHoltz> thanks
[16:37] <Dimmuxx> haven't been any gnome updates in days now
[16:37] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:37] <flan_suse> I take it in Lucid that PulseAudio is going to be the same story as with Karmic? It's there to stay and any attempts to remove it will break the system?
[16:43] <WishingMaster> guys i am going to try installing the usb-modeswitch now,hopefully i will log back in using lucid
[16:44] <WishingMaster> thank anyway to all
[16:44] <WishingMaster> thanks anyway to all!
[16:45] <flan_suse> I hope this will be the case with Lucid final: http://readlist.com/lists/winehq.org/wine-users/9/46493.html
[16:46] <m0ar> How do I install kde 4.4 on lucid? ._.
[16:48] <yofel> m0ar: ? use kubuntu lucid? it has 4.4
[16:49] <cousteau> can anybody confirm that pencil crashes with SIGABRT when exporting to swf?
[16:49] <m0ar> yofel: No?  I just want to try it, I'm using awesome.
[16:49] <yofel> m0ar: or do you have ubuntu installed and want kde?
[16:49] <cousteau> (it only crashed with SIGSEGV on jaunty)
[16:49] <m0ar> yofel: The latter
[16:50] <yofel> m0ar: hm, you could try to install kde-full and if that doesn't install everything kubuntu-desktop
[16:50] <cousteau> and I wasn't able to compile it because it uses qt3 and not qt4... anyway, it's an old program that hasn't been developed for more than a year
[16:51] <m0ar> yofel: Hm. kubuntu-desktop is only 330 and kde-full is almost a gig. Diffrence?
[16:52] <yofel> m0ar: kubuntu might not include just every little  app that kde offers
[16:53] <yofel> can't really test the difference as I have full installed
[16:54] <m0ar> yofel: Ew, I don't want them anyways
[16:54] <WishingMaster> bad luck champs,the usb-modeswitch.deb depends on usb-modeswitch data package
[16:58] <jmcantrell> ubuntu one syncing working for anyone?
[17:01] <WishingMaster> avis, how to install usb-modeswitch.data?
[17:01] <yofel> WishingMaster: install it from the repository?
[17:01] <yofel> usb-modeswitch-data
[17:02] <mossy> Anyone know if 10.04 works in parallels
[17:03] <WishingMaster> yofel, i  can't connect to rpos
[17:03] <jmcantrell> ubuntu one syncing working for anyone?
[17:04] <yofel> WishingMaster: get the package from packages.ubuntu.com?
[17:04] <Mikerhinos> hi
[17:04] <mossy> Hello Mikerhinos.
[17:04] <WishingMaster> yofel,let me get that
[17:07] <Mikerhinos> i'm trying to boot a lucid live cd on a friends pc , but it crashes on loading with "ureadahead terminated with status 4" messages :s the cd is working fine on my system , any idea how i could install it ? Put 9.10 and do an upgrade ?
[17:13] <Hekos_> any way to unlock the panel in unr ?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Mikerhinos: I don't know how wise it would be to install / upgrade to if the live cd is failing on it
[17:14] <Dr_Willis> what panel? I thogh the netbook interface didenthave a panel
[17:14] <cousteau> Dr_Willis: the upper one
[17:14] <costre> mikedep333, 64-bit ubuntu on 64-bit system?
[17:15] <costre> Mikerhinos *
[17:15] <costre> too many people in here :p
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Hmm//. last i used unr i dident think it had one.. or was it set to auto hide?
[17:15] <Mikerhinos> it's 32bits Ubuntu , on an old Sempron
[17:16] <Hekos_> uh, i just found part of my ansver on the tracker - why let the panel have a right click if you only get 4 unusable/blurred buttons
[17:18] <costre> Mikerhinos, It's simply during bootup on LiveCD? No input from you whatsoever?
[17:18] <James147> Two finger scrolling dosn't seem to be working on my 1005ha eeepc, had it working on karmic (Enabling it in system settings seems to do nothing, but the virtical scrolling option works as it should)
[17:18] <costre> Mikerhinos,  or is it during installation? after installation?
[17:20] <Mikerhinos> yes , i tried without quiet splash , it loads some stuff , then loads sources.list , a few other things , then there is 3 status 4 lines , and then the cd stops turning and the system stops responding (pressing num lock touch doesn't light on the led)
[17:20] <cousteau> Dr_Willis: it was a panel with an ubuntu button, a window list and the window title embedded into it
[17:22] <jmcantrell> ubuntu one syncing working for anyone?
[17:22] <Ahmed\> hi
[17:22] <Ahmed\> how to i install aircrack ?
[17:22] <Ahmed\> after extract
[17:23] <costre> what's aircrack?
[17:23] <Ahmed\> HUH
[17:23] <Ahmed\> airhack ?
[17:23] <Ahmed\> the program to crack into Wifi
[17:23] <Mikerhinos> i just burnt a 9.10 live cd , i shut down to plug his pc and see if that one boot , if not , i think he's condemned to use windows
[17:23] <tsuru> Ahmed\: I think I see a package called aircrack-ng...
[17:23] <Ahmed\> yeah exactly
[17:23] <tsuru> Ahmed\: sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng ?
[17:23] <Ahmed\> i have installed it but don't really know how do i ACTUALLY use it
[17:23] <Ahmed\> yeah i did installed correctly
[17:24] <Mikerhinos> aircrack is a wifi hack suite , it's all in command line
[17:24] <Ahmed\> yes i see.. but Mike is it about 700kb ? cause thats all it downloaded
[17:24] <tsuru> Ahmed\: google... my first result was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528276
[17:24] <Mikerhinos> there's a lot of tutorials on the net , yes it's very small
[17:25] <Ahmed\> yes .... Mike please can you really get a GOOD working link to get started because i am new here...
[17:25] <h00k> !piracy | Ahmed\
[17:25] <h00k> First off,
[17:25] <Mikerhinos> hacking wifi is illegal
[17:25] <Ahmed\> Can't i even try on my own?
[17:26] <h00k> Ahmed\: Sure. There are tutorials you can find on the internet.  For instance Google: How to use aircrack.
[17:26] <Ahmed\> umm
[17:26] <Ahmed\> does it works on adopters or should be a built in wifi like in laptops ?
[17:27] <DG19075> ..but WHY try antyhing illegal in the FIRST place///
[17:27] <Mikerhinos> brb (well , hope not , so it would mean my 9.10 live cd boots on my friend pc lol)
[17:27] <Ahmed\> HUH oh come on dude
[17:27] <BadHorsie> Ahmed\: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how%20to%20use%20air%20crack
[17:27] <h00k> Ahmed\: well, it depends on your card.
[17:28] <Ahmed\> BAd Horsie... That was HUH
[17:28] <BadHorsie> Lol it made you laugh too? Good.
[17:28] <mikedep333> costre, yes
[17:28] <Ahmed\> so will it work if its working and driver is correctly installed and you are actally using your own wifi ? so it means its WORKIGN ? and will detect ?
[17:28] <h00k> I'm not having any luck getting a Dell Latitude XT booting on 10.04 today. I'm trying booting from USB, now I'm going to try the alternate CD.
[17:29] <h00k> Ahmed\: read tutorials, they will help you.
[17:29] <Ahmed\> umm
[17:29] <BadHorsie> There are so many videos on youtube for that, talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
[17:29] <Ahmed\> HUH okay okay :$
[17:36] <WishingMaster> guys how to get usb-modeswitch.deb to work,it has been installed successfully
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> i dont even know what thats supposed to do WishingMaster ...
[17:37] <Dr_Willis> if it has some binaries/docs/man pages.. read them i guess. :)
[17:39] <WishingMaster> Dr_Willis, its a package for 3g usb modem to work
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> explore thepackage.. see what it installed where.. look for docs.
[17:41] <WishingMaster> avis, how to get usb-modeswitch work,its been installed correctly
[17:44] <BadHorsie> WishingMaster: I did a google on "usb-modeswitch" (on yahoo by mistake, now that it's the default search engine) and the first link talks a lot about activating switchable usb devices on linux, it's not that hard.
[17:44] <WishingMaster> BadHorsie,so how do we use it?
[17:45] <tsuru> lol
[17:45] <BadHorsie> WishingMaster: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=usb-modeswitch&ei=UTF-8&fr=chr-ubuntu-os
[17:45] <BadHorsie> There you go :)
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> BadHorsie:  perhaps you need to read it to him?
[17:45]  * Dr_Willis wonders what modes are getting switched
[17:46] <BadHorsie> Dr_Willis: yeah, and include rm /bin/true along the lines :P
[17:56] <Andy80> hi all
[17:57] <Andy80> less than one month left to Lucid release and still no countdown banner :\ shouldn't be already available for bloggers?
[17:59] <charlie-tca> That may come under all these theme and artwork changes at the last minute, though
[18:00] <gbear14275> my mouse stopped working
[18:00] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[18:00] <gbear14275> sounds simple... but yeah... was working a few days ago... have been upgrading packages as they come out... now... doesn't work :(
[18:00] <antoranz> is there a reason why netcat is not showing any output?
[18:01] <antoranz> I've used it to test web applications for ages and in lucid I see no output from it
[18:01] <gbear14275> its showing up under lsusb... but not sure where to go from there...
[18:01] <antoranz> should I create a bug report?
[18:02] <Dr_Willis> search for an allready reported bug first perhaps
[18:31] <gbear14275> lsusb -v output here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/408675/
[18:33] <Konstigt> todays daily-live iso, should it work? cannot complete an install (bug 554664)
[18:35] <Konstigt> maybe installing from live alternate would fix it?
[18:40] <safetynet> Hi - Can some point me in the right direction for the latest Java that works in Lucid ? ?
[18:40] <safetynet> *someone
[18:41] <yofel> safetynet: use openjdk for the jre and icedtea for the firefox plugin
[18:41] <safetynet> Tried looking in Synaptic and did some google searchs But can seem to get going yet>
[18:42] <safetynet> yofel: You know if Frostwire will install after installing this?
[18:42] <yofel> safetynet: and that is?
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[18:42] <WishingMaster> does anyone have/had an issue with 3g usb modem in lucid?
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> I think java got installed when iinstalled ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> But I may be wrong. :)
[18:43] <safetynet> yofel:http://www.frostwire.com/
[18:43] <yofel> Dr_Willis: you're right
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> !java
[18:43] <yofel> that's wrong...
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> Im right that it pulled it in.. or right in that im wrong. :)
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> at one time it did pull itin.. but i think that changed a release ago.. or 2.
[18:43] <h00k> that isn't correct for 10.04, but it is for 9.10 ;)
[18:43] <yofel> Dr_Willis: ubuntu-r-e depends on the icedtea plugin
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> Shows how 'relavent' java is now a days
[18:44] <yofel> well, it recommends it
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> I recall ages ago that frostwire and its variants only worked with suns java.. but im not sure if thats still the case these days either
[18:45] <safetynet> Dr_Willis: Thanks for tips.... Forgot about bot searchs.
[18:45] <Ahmed\> Dr_wills: Can you tell me any GOOD site which actually teach ALL about ubuntu's command line :)
[18:46] <yofel> well, for the reference sun-java6 is available in the partner repos, fire firefox plugin is broken though (easy fixable)
[18:46] <yofel> !cli | Ahmed\
[18:46] <Ahmed\> Thanks
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> Ahmed\:  ubuntu's command line is bash.. so learn bash :)
[18:47] <yofel> bash and coreutils most of the time
[18:47] <h00k> *default, anyway. It can be easily changed ;)
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> Theres also a ubuntu 10.04 book in theworks. its avail for free/pdf right now  in beta version
[18:47] <h00k> Ubuntu Manual
[18:48] <DanaG> ugh, I was using the lefty-buttons theme... and it drove me absolutely  batty... every time I'd go to close a window, I'd maximize it instead... and vice versa.
[18:48] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[18:49] <Ahmed\> you mean the buttons of minimizing and maximazing are
[18:49] <Ahmed\> here and there ?
[18:49] <WishingMaster> yofel, Dr_Willis, guys you need to help me about usb-modeswitch,how to get it working ?
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> WishingMaster:   run whatever command it is perhaps? Ive never seen the thing.. or its docs...
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> what have you acutally TRIED so far?
[18:50]  * yofel hasn't ever heard of that yet actually
[18:50] <johnnyCbad> I'm going crazy, on Lucid beta and Rhythmbox is randomly muting itself!
[18:50] <johnnyCbad> No other app causing problems, just RB
[18:50] <DanaG> Buttons on the left, I'd forgive... if they'd put the close button on the OUTSIDE.
[18:50] <DanaG> Oh, and it looks bad on apps that have just close and minimize.
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> from the docs i just googled 10 sec ago on usb_modeswitch.. it vices what commands to use  /usr/sbin/usb_modeswitch
[18:51] <WishingMaster> i read the manual and tried to run the command but it gave an error msg
[18:51] <johnnyCbad> DanaG: True
[18:52] <WishingMaster> Dr_Willis, it  says to create a config file
[18:52] <Dr_Willis> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> /etc/usb_modeswitch.conf - a global config file to enable logging and to disable switching alltogether (mostly to access the install part of devices)
[18:55] <jo-erlend> can someone tell me when the changes to the titlebar buttons will make it into lucid? Or have they already?
[18:56] <DanaG> I'm fiddling with gnome-settings-daemon source to try to get it not to assert MUTE when volume is zero.
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> jo-erlend:  from what i read - its a done deal.
[18:56] <Dr_Willis> jo-erlend:  but  other themes should in theory.. move thebuttons to the right or left side. depending on the theme
[18:56] <jo-erlend> Dr_Willis, the deal is done, but has it changed in new ISOs already?
[18:57] <jo-erlend> Dr_Willis, really? That would be great..
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> jo-erlend:  its been on the left for the last few iso's ive tried.
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive no idea how they are moving the setting from being a system setting to a theme setting..
[18:57] <Dr_Willis> i imagine there will be themes that dont do it properly
[18:57] <jo-erlend> Dr_Willis, yes, but the order is going to change so that it will be close, minimize, maximize, from left to right.
[18:58] <Dr_Willis> i always just switchto a theme thats not ugly. so i dont pay much attentoion to  thechanges
[18:58] <DanaG> I don't mind lefty buttons... but I DO mind breaking "close is on the outside" muscle-memory.
[18:59] <jo-erlend> DanaG, close will be on the outside, on the far left.
[18:59] <DanaG> Close, min, max, as in OS X?
[18:59]  * yofel finds close to be easily identifyable though...
[18:59] <DanaG> That's what I'd expect.
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> memory musle = close on top right. :)
[18:59] <jo-erlend> DanaG, right.
[18:59] <jo-erlend> Dr_Willis, I agree.
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> since i got my windows maxamized 90+%of the time
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> i rarely have a window not maxamized.
[18:59] <jo-erlend> DanaG, Dr_Willis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564
[18:59]  * nick125 should just remember the key combos to max/min windows
[19:00] <h00k> Lucid doesn't boot properly on a Dell Latitude XT. I installed with the alternate CD. I'm guessing something to do with the ATI driver or kernel something.
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> ive seen other window managers be more 'creative' in the windows controlls :)
[19:00] <penguin42> h00k: Do you know what graphics card/chip it's got?
[19:00] <DanaG> Cool.  Now I can stop griping about the buttons.
[19:00] <h00k> *I had to install with the Alternate CD
[19:01] <h00k> penguin42: it's an ATI something, standby and I'll tell 'ya
[19:01] <DanaG> here's some creative button arrangement: http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6287&libid=1
[19:01] <h00k> penguin42: I'm pretty sure it's the Mobility X1250
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> I recall one WM -it  basically used a single button for close/min  -  a click min'd  a longer held click - closed.
[19:02] <penguin42> h00k: Hmm I don't know the Mobility numbers; I know the open source driver works with the HD4xxxx (RV7xx) chips bit not the HD5xxxx
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> but all this will be moot once we get the Gnome-netbook type interface  :)
[19:02] <h00k> penguin42: me either.
[19:02] <topyli> hm. i'm getting the text plymouth theme. is that what is supposed to happen?
[19:03] <penguin42> h00k: Hmm OK, X1250 is not listed in the numbers in /var/log/Xorg on my machine so it looks like you need the frglx driver
[19:03] <h00k> penguin42: it actually looks like it hangs, like kernel panic-style, I have to hard-power it down
[19:03] <penguin42> erk
[19:03] <h00k> penguin42: that't be great, except I can't get there :D
[19:03] <h00k> penguin42: know of any kernel options I could throw in to try that?
[19:04] <penguin42> h00k: How far does it get?
[19:04] <h00k> penguin42: er, well, I see the grub, then select Lucid, then the cursor blinks about 2 times, disappears, and thats the game.
[19:05] <h00k> penguin42: so, perhaps plymouth?
[19:05] <penguin42> h00k: Try adding radeon.modeset=0 or nomodeset to the kernel command line
[19:06] <h00k> penguin42: it booted on the alternate CD, enough to install
[19:06] <penguin42> h00k: Remove the quiet/splash stuff should let you see past plymouth - oh, if Alternate is happy carry on
[19:06] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[19:06] <h00k> penguin42: yes, alternate was okay enough to install.
[19:07] <kushalone> Hi guys, I have a question about javadocs installation on ubuntu. Which channel should I go to?
[19:08] <h00k> penguin42: looks like radeon.modeset=0 was okay
[19:08] <h00k> penguin42: I have a tty now.  Cool.
[19:09] <penguin42> h00k: I've not tried the frglx drivers myself (I have the slightly older card) but try and pull apart the comments in this bug if you get stuck I think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699
[19:09] <h00k> penguin42: and now to install frglx?
[19:09] <h00k> penguin42: alright.  Also, this is the beta1 image that I installed from.
[19:10]  * penguin42 goes to hunt some food
[19:10] <h00k> penguin42: thanks :)
[19:10] <DanaG> sweet, I got g-s-d to not assert mute upon zero volume.
[19:10] <DanaG> It took only about 8 lines of code change.
[19:12] <kushalone> :/
[19:14] <BUGa_vacations> evening
[19:14] <Raphi974> Anyone has a problem with Automount like me ?
[19:15] <kushalone> bye
[19:18] <magicianlord> Hello.
[19:18] <magicianlord> Let's discuss 10.04 design principles.
[19:18] <Berzerker> uh
[19:18] <Berzerker> k lol
[19:18] <Berzerker> Stik: sup
[19:19] <VoJe> I am having problems with Java. I have installed ubuntu-restricted-extras. When checking java on suns homepage, it loads the applet, but when trying to use any other java applet, it just says "Applet not initialized". I'm thinking that the java applet i am trying to start is 1.5 or something. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
[19:19] <magicianlord> Java might be wrong.
[19:19] <VoJe> hehe
[19:19] <magicianlord> What kind of chat is this?
[19:20] <VoJe> ?
[19:20] <vish> !topic > magicianlord
[19:20] <magicianlord> I see
[19:21] <magicianlord> So this is discussion, in addition to support
[19:21] <magicianlord> Correct?
[19:21] <VoJe> Can anyone help me?
[19:21] <vish> magicianlord: more of support , rarely discussion
[19:22] <topyli> magicianlord, it's a bit late for opening up the design for lucid :)
[19:22] <magicianlord> That is unfortunate.
[19:23] <magicianlord> We can chat about ice cream then, if you'd like
[19:23] <magicianlord> et cetera
[19:23] <VoJe> or someone can try to help me?
[19:23] <vish> magicianlord: if you are interested in discussing the designs then ayatana maiiling list is a better place
[19:23] <magicianlord> Who is in charge of design?
[19:23] <magicianlord> o i c
[19:23] <vish> !patience | VoJe
[19:23] <magicianlord> Are you guys getting hte ipad?
[19:23] <jo-erlend> what is design? Do you mean visual design?
[19:23] <topyli> magicianlord, for ice cream chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:23] <guntbert> !ot | magicianlord
[19:24] <magicianlord> Ok, thanks homie.
[19:44] <[diablo]> evening guys
[19:44] <[diablo]> anyone know if there will be a JEOS 10.04 coming soon or in existence please?
[19:46] <AlinaM> Hi! I made an upgrade to 10.04 beta. Seems to have problems with NVidia drivers. From safe mode all is ok, but when trying to boot on normal mode, the X crashes at login. Any idea why?
[19:46] <[diablo]> AlienX, have you checked the logs
[19:47] <h4f> why did pidgin get replaced by empathy which can't do half of what pidgin can !! ?
[19:47] <[diablo]> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:47] <[diablo]> h4f, question that one myself too :-)
[19:48] <guntbert> h4f: its easy to install pidgin/xchat/....
[19:48] <[diablo]> h4f, although Empathy is improving, all be it slowly ... I can only assume it was the voice and video support (that seems to me very poor)
[19:48] <h4f>  [diablo]: ok I completely removed empathy . but now how can I make that Icon with letter on it to fire up pidgin instead of emapty
[19:49] <[diablo]> h4f, sorry, I never remove empathy, in the past I have only added Pidgin... might be a bad idea to remove Empathy as I think there is a lot of dependancies
[19:49] <h4f> [diablo]:   :) it removes just fine
[19:50] <[diablo]> h4f, ok... but I dont follow what your saying about the "letter"
[19:50] <h4f> [diablo]:  now I just want to integrate pidgin with the chat menu in icon("letter")
[19:50] <[diablo]> ah
[19:50] <[diablo]> ok the envelope icon
[19:50] <[diablo]> ?
[19:50] <h4f> [diablo]:  there is an icon
[19:50] <[diablo]> nod
[19:50] <h4f> yeap envelope sorry
[19:50] <[diablo]> ok, np
[19:51] <[diablo]> well, I dunno if that can be done, possibly there is a plugin
[19:51] <h4f> so I want pidgin to fire up when I press chat menu
[19:51] <[diablo]> Indicator Applet 0.3.6
[19:51] <vish> h4f: you want to have all the functions of empathy with pidgin , or just launch pidgin from there?
[19:51] <h4f> vish: if that's possible? but what functions empathy had over there ?
[19:52] <[diablo]> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu/
[19:52] <[diablo]> h4f, read the test case
[19:53] <h4f>  [diablo]: thanks
[19:53] <vish> h4f: afaik , the pidgin hasnt been fully integrated there.. but if you want to just launch pidgin from there , you can do that
[19:53] <Dimmuxx> if you enable the libnotify plugin you will get new messages there
[19:53] <[diablo]> Test case: Without Pidgin installed, open the menu. Pidgin should not be present. Install Pidgin, and open the menu again: Pidgin still should not be present. Launch Pidgin, but quit before setting up an account, and open the menu again: Pidgin still should not be present. Relaunch Pidgin, set up an account, and (without closing Pidgin) open the menu: Pidgin should be present. Uninstall Pidgin, then open the menu again: Pidgin should no
[19:53] <[diablo]> t be present. Reinstall Pidgin, then open the menu again: Pidgin should be present.
[19:53] <h4f> Dimmuxx: yeap libnotify is on
[19:54] <[diablo]> hopefully I am giving you useful information... Im not saying that I am giving you a solution
[19:54] <h4f> :D
[19:54] <Dimmuxx> h4f: and the icon doesn't turn green when you recieve messages?
[19:54] <h4f> Dimmuxx:  Nope
[19:55] <Dimmuxx> okay it worked last time I tried it but it was with an older version of the noficiation-applet
[20:03] <crimsun> argh, people pinging me and not idling their clients == not cool
[20:04] <BUGa_vacations> crimsun: :Z
[20:05] <DanaG> crimsun: random thing: I tweaked gnome-settings-daemon to not assert mute when volume == 0; it's nice having it the way I do now.
[20:05]  * vish found one more way to annoy crimsun  , ;p
[20:05] <BUGa_vacations> crimsun: meme them :)
[20:05] <DanaG> Now I just need to figure out why the mute key itself doesn't send keycodes.
[20:05] <BUGa_vacations> vish: just one ?
[20:05] <vish> apport-collect +
[20:05] <BUGa_vacations> hi bjsnider
[20:05] <BUGa_vacations> LOOOOOOOL
[20:05] <BUGa_vacations> vish: reading crimsun blog ?! ehe
[20:05] <bjsnider> hi BUGa_vacations
[20:05] <vish> BUGa_vacations: well , he is on the planet ;)
[20:06] <DanaG> It seems like mute state is not being synced with ALSA.
[20:06] <BUGa_vacations> ahh
[20:06] <vish> gnome planet that is
[20:06] <BUGa_vacations> ppl still read planets??
[20:06] <DanaG> At least it works in hardware. =þ
[20:06] <DanaG> Gotta' love having a hardware mute.
[20:06] <crimsun> DanaG: depends on the chipset, of course. We recently fixed some gpio screwage for some realtek mutes.
[20:06] <vish> BUGa_vacations: liferea
[20:06] <DanaG> (And it's good that it's NOT a full hardware volume control... only mute in hardware is sane.)
[20:07] <DanaG> not sane: thinkpad hardware volume control.  sane: hardware mute, software volume.
[20:07] <DanaG> =þ
[20:07] <BUGa_vacations> vish: I have 5 planets on my greader. they are the very last thing I manage to read, once I've read everything else
[20:07] <crimsun> well, the thinkpads have their own funball carnivals.
[20:07] <BUGa_vacations> mind you I recall only twice , having read everything else
[20:07] <crimsun> vish: heh, that won't annoy me; it just won't help get bugs fixed any faster.
[20:08] <vish> crimsun: sadly , i dont have bugs for you.. [yet]
[20:08] <DanaG> oh, and how do you get a stacktrace of a kernel panic on a netbook?  It happens very early... before i915 KMS, and before ACPI.
[20:09] <crimsun> serial.
[20:09] <crimsun> lucid has kdb support, so that's one way
[20:09] <crimsun> sorry! kgdb
[20:09] <crimsun> *big* difference
[20:10] <DanaG> NO serial on the netbook.
[20:10] <DanaG> =(
[20:10] <crimsun> you haven't opened up the innards? :-)
[20:10] <DanaG> And no AMT on any netbooks at all, it turns out -- but netbooks are where I need Serial-over-Lan most of all!
[20:10] <DanaG> http://www.flickr.com/photos/40726835@N08/sets/72157622485818782/
[20:11] <DanaG> not my photos, and slightly different hardware (that's n140, mine's n130).
[20:12] <penguin42> DanaG: For debug?
[20:13] <DanaG> Oh, and I don't know if I told you before, but the hotplug of the CM106 card has randomly started working. Yay.
[20:13] <yofel> crimsun: hi, mind changing the topic? we don't need that warning anymore I think
[20:14] <DanaG> er, well, SOMETIMES it works.
[20:14] <penguin42> DanaG: some USB controllers have a debug port the kernel can write to, I'm not quite sure what you need as a USB device to read it - it's not a standard USB serial
[20:16] <DanaG> Oh, and an Xorg / Mesa question: I tried Lucid Mesa 7.7 on a GMA950 (I think) desktop, and it offered GLSL... yet, Mesa 7.9-devel on the netbook does not offer GLSL.
[20:16] <DanaG> or rather, that's a statement; the question is: why does it act so inconsistent like that?
[20:17] <penguin42> what hardware does the netbook have?
[20:17] <penguin42> some netbooks have very different chips
[20:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/451706
[20:18] <DanaG> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
[20:18] <DanaG> Looks about right; that's not my own paste, though.
[20:19] <penguin42> hmm yeh a 945 should work
[20:20] <penguin42> DanaG: Do you have a test for shaders?
[20:20] <DanaG> I was just using glxinfo.
[20:21] <penguin42> and the GL_ARB_shader_objects ?
[20:22] <DanaG> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[20:22] <DanaG> OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.7.1-DEVEL
[20:22] <DanaG>     GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_provoking_vertex, GL_ARB_shader_objects,
[20:22] <DanaG>     GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader,
[20:22] <penguin42> DanaG: Yeh so <--- machine has a 945GM and glxinfo | grep -i shader lists GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_vertex_shader  - yeh same as that
[20:24] <penguin42> ah it doesn't have GL_ARB_shading_language_100 that my other machine with xorg-edgers and an ATI shows - but I don't know the GL bits to look at
[20:25] <DanaG> also weird: it takes a few seconds for intel_lid to show acpi lid closing.
[20:26] <yofel> thanks crimsun :)
[20:29] <Sarvatt> DanaG: 945 doesn't support GLSL, you can fake it out by enabling some driconf options though but don't expect things to work :D
[20:29] <DanaG> hmm, then was that desktop I tried it on, different hardware?
[20:29] <Sarvatt> the enable limited ARB_fragment_shader and stub ARB_occlusion_query driconf options
[20:30] <Sarvatt> guess so if you didnt ever change the driconf options
[20:30] <DanaG> The desktop was one of these: http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/desktops/desktop-optiplex-760/pd.aspx?refid=desktop-optiplex-760&cs=04&s=bsd
[20:30] <DanaG> Small-Form-Factor version.
[20:30] <DanaG> oh, gma 4500.
[20:30] <DanaG> no wonder.
[20:30] <DanaG> =þ
[20:32] <crimsun> bah, ever since I switched to the netbook launcher my UI sessions have been utterly unstable :(
[20:33] <crimsun> suddenly I can reproduce quite a few Firefox crashes that take down the X.Org session
[20:33] <crimsun> this never used to happen with plain xmonad :-p
[20:33] <JoshuaL> my touchpad doesnt wokr
[20:33] <JoshuaL> but my usb mouse does
[20:33] <crimsun> (which points to a mesa/drm issue)
[20:34] <penguin42> crimsun: Well reproducable bugs are I guess a blessing
[20:35] <Sarvatt> crimsun: intel graphics? theres a bug with clutter apps crashing the server when you close them on intel since clutter got upgraded to 1.2.4
[20:35] <xJoshR> is there any reason why when trying to boot from liveCD (9.10) it hangs after choosing either to install or try ubuntu?
[20:36] <deanus> I wanna disable my touchpad, its getting up my nose due to the placement of it in relation to my keyboard and my fat fingers keep hitting it and making me type all wrong.
[20:36] <jo-erlend> xJoshR, why are you asking about 9.10 here?
[20:36] <penguin42> xJoshR: This channel is for 10.04 only I'm afraid that's in beta - have you tried that? else try #ubuntu
[20:36] <xJoshR> i know, i clicked the wrong channel.
[20:37] <DanaG> deanus: in gnome mouse preferences, you can disable tapping.
[20:37] <DanaG> oh, and random thing: that "freeze mouse when pressing keys" thing is highly irritating.
[20:37] <DanaG> Try scrolling through a page with arrow keys, while using the mouse for stuff..
[20:37] <DanaG> it'll freeze the mouse!
[20:39] <DanaG> "Maverick Meerkat" -- that name sucks... too many syllables.
[20:40] <penguin42> and too many meerkats
[20:40] <DanaG> Lu-cid Lynx.  3 syllables.  Dap-per Drake. 3.  Ed-gy Eft... 3.  Fei-sty Fawn -- 3.  Gut-sy Gib-bon -- 4, but still smooth.
[20:40] <crimsun> Sarvatt: indeed, gma45
[20:40] <DanaG> Mav-er-ick Meer-cat... 5 syllables.
[20:41] <DanaG> bleh.
[20:41] <deanus> they also dont offer cheap car insurance either...annoying.
[20:41] <crimsun> I tend to run everything inside byobu, so it isn't disastrous per se
[20:41] <DanaG> rawr: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/rawr.jpg
[20:41] <DanaG> oh, and check out:
[20:41] <DanaG> !info xpra
[20:42] <penguin42> DanaG: Oh neat
[20:44] <Sarvatt> crimsun: if you need a fix ASAP disabling patches 03 and 04 in xorg-server and rebuilding will fix it
[20:45] <crimsun> Sarvatt: right, traced that, but I don't really need it. Thanks, though.
[20:46] <crimsun> yay for screen/tmux :-)
[20:46] <yofel> yay for byobu+yakuake :P
[20:57] <bsmith093> has the new version of gnome been pushed out yet
[20:58] <penguin42> yep
[20:58] <bsmith093> how do i know if im running it
[20:58] <penguin42> system->about gnome
[20:58] <jo-erlend> bsmith093, system > about gnome.
[20:58] <bsmith093> version 2.30
[20:59] <bsmith093> is that right
[20:59] <penguin42> yep
[21:11]  * penguin42 spots the 'Supported: 3y' tag in a package - wouldn't an expiry date be better? How do I (automatically) know when that runs out?
[21:14] <h00k> penguin42: so, I am slowly getting this thing to work.  I can startx from a tty now, installing updates, we'll see what happens when they're done :)
[21:22] <r00s> hi
[21:23] <r00s> is there a way to disable the keyboard layout indicator and the im indicator?
[21:24] <costre> right click, remove from panel?
[21:24] <costre> or did I misunderstand :)
[21:26] <BadHorsie> I wonder, what's the input field for in the indicator-session-applet right below the user account link?
[21:27] <r00s> costre: it's part of one of the "indicator" applets. if i remove it, i also remove the network manager applet
[21:28] <costre> r00s, http://superuser.com/questions/73200/remove-or-add-entry-in-indicator-applet-ubuntu-gnome
[21:41] <bsmith093> is the installer fixed yet
[21:41] <crimsun> can you please be more specific?
[21:42] <bsmith093> the installer for the daily build about a week ago was broken. it crashed everytime i had almost finished installing
[21:43] <crimsun> *which* installer? d-i? ubiquity?
[21:43] <r00s> costre: i removed all the applications from the im menu that way. the im applet itself is still there :/
[21:44] <bsmith093> um i think ubiquity i dont know of any others
[21:46] <almoxarife> r00s: in startup apps, do you have an applet that that says something like 'applet me' , pretty sure that is the im applet
[21:47] <guntbert> bsmith093: it was with the live CD - that would be ubiquity
[21:47] <bsmith093> so has it been fixed
[21:48] <CastleFox> Hello
[21:48] <guntbert> bsmith093: do you happen to know the bug #? my LP account doesn't show it as related
[21:48] <crimsun> bsmith093: you really need to be more specific.
[21:49] <guntbert> bsmith093: sorry, misread - ignore please
[21:50] <bsmith093> sorry i really dont remember the bug i guess ill just download and burn todays image
[21:51] <crimsun> bsmith093: please zsync
[21:52] <bsmith093> i dont have the image anymore so i think it would be fastest tio downloadit normally
[21:53] <crimsun> it won't be any slower or faster.
[21:53] <bsmith093> so how do i do that
[21:53] <crimsun> install the zsync package, then zsync foo.zsync
[21:54] <bsmith093> k thanks
[21:54] <r00s> almoxarife, costre: i uninstalled indicator-messages and indicator-me. the im applet is gone now.
[21:54] <crimsun> you'll find the zsync links on the cdimage page
[21:54] <avis> can anyone tell me how to change the mount name on a ext4 usb device.  i get a long id, its a backup drive, and i want to name it "seagate" instead
[21:55] <penguin42> avis: tune2fs -L can change the label
[21:55] <bsmith093> which link do i want daily or daily live
[21:55] <avis> i'm no longer updating my lucid since i need the -18-pae kernel with alsa modules
[21:55] <avis> awesome penguin42 thank you
[21:55] <almoxarife> r00s: I don't know about uninstalling indicator-message, not sure what you will end up missing
[21:56] <yofel> bsmith093: daily live if you want ubiquity
[21:56] <bsmith093> ok thanks
[21:58] <costre> r00s, pretty straight forward. nicely done :)
[21:58] <crimsun> avis: eh? We fixed that last night: linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-19-generic-pae
[21:59] <bsmith093> so do i download the zync file and give that to zsync
[21:59] <safetynet> unable to mount usb drive
[22:00] <Berzerker> ok so...my boot/shut down doesn't show any splash screens, is my computer just too fast for them?
[22:00] <bsmith093> nevermind i got it
[22:00] <yofel> bsmith093: no, give the link to the zsync file to zsync
[22:00] <crimsun> bsmith093: you don't even need to manually download the .zsync file; just pass the url to it
[22:00] <safetynet> permissions error
[22:00] <bsmith093> thanks
[22:01] <avis> penguin42, it was actually sudo e2label /dev/sdbX
[22:01] <avis> thanks tho
[22:01] <bsmith093> btw when doing this is there any way to select a mirror that might be faster than cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:02] <avis> crimsun, did you ?  oh wow thats great i'll update :)  i worry about losing sound on my ubuntu box, and your ppa is the only thing that saves it :)
[22:03] <crimsun> avis: I did say that it would be done shortly :-)
[22:03] <crimsun> anyhow, sunshine awaits.
[22:03] <avis> crimsun, i'm not one to place demands on people, but sometimes, i lose hope :)
[22:04] <crimsun> avis: it was a simple fix: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=bradf/alsa-driver-cod-lucid/.git;a=commitdiff;h=713e27f48aad5a8aac7654e66aa5f73d59437547
[22:05] <bsmith093> does zsync also verify th md5sum or do some type of file checking
[22:05] <avis> its an Oxygen HD card, it was inexpensive, and has very good sound.  what i don't want to have to do is put it in my windows box :)
[22:05] <crimsun> bsmith093: yes, it does.
[22:06] <bsmith093> good i hate having to do that manually
[22:11] <bsmith093> this is really annoying: my sony cd burner which worked fine under both 9.04 and 9.1 now insists there's an audio cd in the drive even when its empty so when i try to burn a blank cd it doesnt even recognize it
[22:13] <robinetd> is there a way, in lucid, to make the maximize, minimize and close buttons go back to the right side of the window?
[22:13] <bsmith093> yes ther is change the theme
[22:13] <bsmith093> to anyhting
[22:13] <robinetd> bsmith093: That doesn't help.
[22:13] <CastleFox> Can anyone recommend a Ubuntu small laptop with good battery life?
[22:14] <bsmith093> ok but its true
[22:14] <robinetd> bsmith093: No, it's not.
[22:14] <bsmith093> it worked fine for me
[22:15] <robinetd> Ugh, he left. I was going to upload a screenshot to show him he was wrong.
[22:15] <robinetd> So, anyone sane got an answer?
[22:16] <mcurrington> The close/maximize/minimize buttons in Gnome moving to the left hand side, is this a new feature to lucid?
[22:17] <yofel> !currentissues
[22:17] <yofel> I personally haven't heard anything new on this yet, it's hard to say what's a rumor and what not
[22:18] <robinetd> yofel: That doesn't offer a solution, it just tells me the details of it.
[22:19] <safetynet_> Hi - I did some updates and now my external hard drive will not Mount - I get following error - "Unable to mount Not Authorized"
[22:19] <ZykoticK9> !controls | robinetd
[22:20] <robinetd> ZykoticK9: Thanks much.
[22:33] <jackhigh> hello ive broken my system trying to install fglrx i cannot seem to remove it now, i would like to just get back to the open driver is there anyone around who could possibly help me please
[22:41] <Volkodav> how do you remove it ?
[22:43] <Volkodav> and define broken system
[22:49] <almoxarife> jackhigh: did you install fglrx via synaptic or apt-get?
[22:50] <jackhigh> apt-get
[22:50] <jackhigh> ive got out of low graphics mode now
[22:50] <jackhigh> i just removed xorg.conf i think im back on the open driver
[22:51] <almoxarife> jackhigh: then uninstall the same via apt-get
[22:51] <BadHorsie> robinetd, mcurrington: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string :minimize,maximize,close
[22:51] <jackhigh> i get errors E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:53] <jackhigh> tp://pastebin.com/mmL2q8Cw
[22:53] <jackhigh> sorry http://pastebin.com/mmL2q8Cw
[22:56] <almoxarife> jackhigh: did you uninstall the open-driver when you installed fglrx?
[22:56] <jackhigh> no
[22:58] <almoxarife> jackhigh: I would restart to see what state the machine comes up in
[22:58] <penguin42> avis: Intresting, I *think* that's teh same as tune2fs -L
[22:58] <jo-erlend> BadHorsie, you forgot the menubutton...
[22:59] <jo-erlend> robinetd, mcurrington: if you want to put the buttons back the way they were, this is the right way to do it: gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close
[23:00] <BadHorsie> jo-erlend: Thanks. I didn't even see the menubutton before haha
[23:00] <jo-erlend> :)
[23:01] <avis> that would not work for me though
[23:01] <avis> not sure why
[23:03] <penguin42> It looks like you don't even have to do that now if you go back to the old theme
[23:03] <DanaG> I find the new themes ugly, anyway.
[23:04] <nishanth> my computer freezes in between stuff... is there a way to find out why?
[23:05] <BadHorsie> So if I want to get rid of nouveau, do I just rdblacklist it on grub.cfg?
[23:06] <jo-erlend> DanaG, I think they're nice. Very nice that the menubar and titlebar have the same color, now that they'll be "merged" anyway.
[23:06] <DanaG> I find the buttons ugly, however.
[23:06] <DanaG> And the scrollbars.
[23:07] <BadHorsie> My scrollbars are present even when they're not needed
[23:07] <nishanth> is there a way to findout why my computer freezes?
[23:07] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Plugin%20Manager.png
[23:07] <jo-erlend> nishanth, logs...
[23:07] <DanaG> oh, and for a while, gbrainy looked like this: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-gbrainy.png
[23:13] <bjb1959> I have 2 external usb drives. both ntfs formated one FreeAgent and one LeClie with virtually identical fstab lines. the FreeAgent boots fine but the system won't boot if I try to mount the LeClie from fstab, have to manually do it after boot. Any ideas?
[23:18] <nishanth> jo-erlend: i am very new to linux.. could plz tell me how i can analyse the logs and find what could be wrong? also how do i get access to logs?
[23:19] <jo-erlend> nishanth, there is a log viewer in System > Administration. Messages, dmesg and kernel.log might be good places to start.
[23:19] <jo-erlend> and syslog.
[23:21] <nishanth> jo-erlend: well i am in dmesg... it is numbers and mostly stuff i dont understand. what am i supposed to look in it?
[23:32] <BadHorsie> !nouveau
[23:32] <BadHorsie> I wonder if there's an entry to use the propietary drivers and get rid of nouveau :S
[23:33] <yofel> BadHorsie: if you installed nvidia-current it should use the nvidia driver
[23:34] <BadHorsie> yofel: Well, it says it's the newest version... jockey even gets to the point to change the xorg.conf file but once I reboot nouveau has taken control of the card and I can't insmod nvidia
[23:34] <yofel> BadHorsie: do you have /usr on a seperate partition?
[23:35] <yofel> wait that's supposed to be fixed, hm...
[23:35] <BadHorsie> yofel: Yeah
[23:35] <BadHorsie> (Yeah I have /user in a separate partition)
[23:35] <BadHorsie> s/user/usr
[23:35] <yofel> oh, well, then let's see
[23:37] <yofel> BadHorsie: can you try 'sudo cp /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers-own.conf' and see if that helps?
[23:37] <bjsnider> it was scheduled to be fixed
[23:37] <yofel> ah
[23:39] <BadHorsie> yofel: shouldn't I be copying something from /usr? Sorry I just don't get it :P
[23:39] <yofel> BadHorsie: that first file is a symlink to a symlink to a file on /usr ;)
[23:40] <yofel> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/modprobe.conf actually
[23:40] <BadHorsie> yofel: Ah nice, thanks a lot
[23:40]  * penguin42 hands yofel a bag of bread crumbs
[23:40] <penguin42> follow the symlinks
[23:40] <BadHorsie> The blue symlinks :P
[23:40] <BadHorsie> -s
[23:40]  * yofel thanks penguin42 and get's lost trying to fine a place to store them away...
[23:41] <yofel> *find
[23:43] <BadHorsie> And the sad thing is that I was so happy yesterday making space on / migrating /usr to a different partition :(
[23:43] <BadHorsie> Thanks so much, it worked.
[23:48] <bjsnider> i don't see the advantage to having /usr on a separate partition
[23:49] <DanaG> There's no advantage.  Just breakage. =þ
[23:49] <BUGa_vacations> I only have ONE data partition
[23:49]  * yofel can only think of something like mounting it over NFS, but that's pretty much all...
[23:49] <BUGa_vacations> and ONE swap
[23:50] <BUGa_vacations> at least until we have working swap on file
[23:50] <yofel> I have /home seperate, but that's more because I'm used to it
[23:50] <tsimpson> there's nothing stopping you from using a file as swap
[23:50] <BadHorsie> I always have /home and /var on a different partition
[23:50] <BUGa_vacations> tsimpson: like hibernation
[23:51] <BUGa_vacations> not that I use it anymore, since it simply doesn't work and is SLOWWWWWWWWWWWW
[23:51] <BUGa_vacations> BadHorsie: old habbits
[23:51]  * yofel wonders when hibernate actually worked for him...
[23:51] <BUGa_vacations> keep up with times
[23:51] <yofel> ... I think never
[23:51] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: works a lot of times for me
[23:51] <BUGa_vacations> but since we seemed to have drop ALL suport for ram compression with uswsup
[23:51] <yofel> well more like... nvidia and suspend/hibernate is a gamble
[23:52] <BUGa_vacations> I don't really see the need to use it
[23:52] <yofel> and hibernate on my EeePC would cause 2GB of uneccessary wear on my SSD
[23:52] <DanaG> hmm, get a 2GB SD card and put swap on that?
[23:53] <DanaG> Would have to be a fast one.
[23:53] <crimsun> err, 32 GB SSD and put swap on it
[23:53] <crimsun> that's plenty for /, /usr, and swap
[23:53] <crimsun> put /home on external usb storage
[23:54] <DanaG> swap is bad for SSD.
[23:54] <crimsun> everything writing is "bad"
[23:54]  * yofel wonders how swap on a SD card is supposed to be any better...
[23:54] <yofel> it anything it's slower
[23:54] <yofel> *if
[23:54] <DanaG> yofel: sd cards are cheaper.
[23:54] <crimsun> yofel: it won't be faster than rotary
[23:56]  * yofel wonders what would happen if he set swappiness to 0
[23:56] <penguin42> yofel: I think it just won't swap until it really needs to
[23:57] <yofel> hm, makes sense
[23:58] <BadHorsie> yofel wonders a lot :P
[23:58] <yofel> it's not like I know everything :P
[23:58] <crimsun> just buy a tonne of RAM and don't use swap
[23:59] <yofel> I already have 2GB, that's all that fits into my EeePC
[23:59] <yofel> On my desktop with 6GB I really have no swap at all