[06:02] <vish> troy_s: i'm not using the SVN version , able to move & dock the toolbar
[12:59] <darkmatter> lol.. I just tested the gnome-3 metacity ;p
[13:00] <darkmatter> http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9890/screenshotkb.png
[13:00]  * darkmatter runs in fear from the giant widgets
[13:06]  * darkmatter accidentally drops the gnome-3 metacity on vish
[13:11] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  is it possible to get the source of this theme for my use?
[13:12] <darkmatter> zniavre_: http://github.com/hbons/GNOME-3-Theme
[13:15] <zniavre_> darkmatter,  thank you
[13:16] <darkmatter> :)
[13:17] <zniavre_> that is huge that s true
[13:25] <darkmatter> zniavre_: I can't complain about the overall design they're going with. it looks better than the current defaults, but huge widgets is a cardinal sin in design (at least by default). a good ui fades into the background, that metacity alone draws all your attention when in use :/
[13:28] <zniavre_> current default for gnome or ubuntu ?   ^^
[13:29] <vish> darkmatter: i'v been mentioning that awkward metacity since when he mocked it up , but it seems "Intel not really inside" him ;p
[13:29] <vish> zniavre_: gnome
[13:29] <darkmatter> vish: lol
[13:29] <darkmatter> vish: I hate cardinal design sins made reality
[13:31] <darkmatter> vish: and gnome-shell is getting worse. the current font's on the panel are planetary in proportion :P
[13:31] <vish> darkmatter: they are moving to make droid the default font too
[13:32] <darkmatter> lol
[13:33] <darkmatter> vish: if I want to use a cellphone I'll power mine up. ;)
[13:33] <darkmatter> gnome-3 design metaphor "well, cellphones are popular, lets rip off their interface"
[13:33] <vish> i like the metacity buttons idea , but titlebar is tooooo tall :/
[13:35] <darkmatter> vish: like I said. I like the theme (generally) but the whole 300km of padding and whitespace coupled with 4 story glyphs" thing is bleh
[13:37] <vish> darkmatter: well , we aernt doing much to the themes than tweak the engines :s  , new color and what not.. but nothing really "new" is being done like aero or aqua
[13:39] <darkmatter> vish: aye, I know
[13:41] <thorwil> that shot really looks like dragging the window by the title bar whenever not mini/maxi/closing it is the important action of all
[13:41] <thorwil> +most
[13:42] <darkmatter> thorwil: pretty much
[13:45] <thorwil> the proper way would be to define requirements by exploring the freedoms we want in theming, to then build an engine that satisfies them (plus changes elsewhere that might be needed)
[13:46] <thorwil> what's happening now seems akin to monkey-patching
[13:49] <darkmatter> I'd like to see an engine built to akin to pixbuf but modern and more advanced. something where we could define (subtle) animations and such between states, had actually recoloring support, etc. kill of this "400 engines, each a slight variation of the last" garbage
[13:49] <darkmatter> put themeing back in the hands of themers/designers
[13:51] <darkmatter> plus having some kind of standard to adhere to would make themeing easier (could even go as far as a theme builder app)
[14:45] <darkmatter> dear gods. droid sans 11? they have got to be kidding...
[14:55] <darkmatter> vish: I just built the gnome3 branch of clearlooks and went blind when I applied the theme :P
[14:58] <darkmatter> thorwil: HALP! I'm blind! http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4962/screenshotdxp.png
[16:04] <thorwil> uhm, well
[16:04] <thorwil> darkmatter: what's up with the blued-out home folder top left?
[16:05] <darkmatter> thorwil: *shrug* ask the theme devs, I just grabbed the branch to test
[18:10] <vish> darkmatter: it uses clearlooks?  interesting
[18:14] <vish> thorwil: the blue folder , looks like it was "selected" nothing more i guess ;)
[18:15] <Cimi> what clearlooks vish ?
[18:16] <vish> Cimi: the new gnome theme , seems they are doing it with clearlooks?
[18:17] <Cimi> yes
[18:17] <Cimi> I guess it will be better to write a new engine or switch to murrine
[18:17] <vish> Cimi: weird they went with that , since you've added a lot of options to murrine , they could do a lot more
[18:17] <Cimi> vish, I am the maintainer of clearlooks
[18:18] <Cimi> so I could decide to switch to murrine if I want
[18:18] <vish> yup , i'm aware ;)
[18:19] <Cimi> just the other dev (benjamin berg) started working with clearlooks since he has more knowledge of it
[18:20] <vish> Cimi: the other day you mentioned you were adding new features for jolicloud , will that be available in murrine for all or only for joicloud?
[18:22] <Cimi> the source code is in git
[18:23] <vish> neat..