[00:00] <daker> 4Mo*8 = 32Mo
[00:00] <daker> > 40 Mo
[00:01] <godbyk> pulling now
[00:05] <epkugelmass> godbyk, are you ready to announce the beta release on launchpad?
[00:05] <godbyk> epkugelmass: Sure. Where do we need to announce it?
[00:05] <godbyk> (There are so many places to update things, I'm sure I've missed some.)
[00:05] <epkugelmass> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[00:05] <epkugelmass> right-hand bar
[00:05] <epkugelmass> scroll down to the bottom of the announcements box
[00:06] <epkugelmass> i'm going to change the status of all of the bugs
[00:09] <godbyk> I see it now. Yeah, I'll make an announcement.
[00:09] <epkugelmass> great! thanks
[00:09] <epkugelmass> i just changed all of the bugs statuses and removed beta-release as a target-able milestone
[00:23] <donri> Why does everything in the glossary list end in two dots?
[00:25] <daker> back
[00:25] <daker> godbyk, ?
[00:26] <donri> You should totally rename the quickshot user at least for the next release. It's ugly to see "quickshot" in half the shots.
[00:26] <godbyk> daker: I've linked to the new site.
[00:26] <donri> Would be more sensible to invent some fake user.
[00:26] <godbyk> daker: what's different?
[00:26] <godbyk> donri: I agree.  I think we're going to have a fake user to use throughout the manual along with fake content in the mailbox, etc.
[00:27] <daker> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ this is the old one
[00:28] <donri> We should talk to the Evince developers about possibilities of making images look better resized.
[00:28] <donri> Eye of GNOME does it nicely, so the code should be there in GNOME.
[00:28] <daker> donri, +1
[00:28] <godbyk> daker: ah, sorry. try it again now.
[00:28] <godbyk> (must've mistyped something before.)
[00:29] <donri> godbyk, You're the typography guy? Did you see: <donri> Why does everything in the glossary list end in two dots?
[00:29] <godbyk> donri: We patched evince to fix that problem and the patched version will be in lucid. (It's available in the beta of lucid right now.)
[00:29] <donri> Oh, cool!
[00:29] <donri> Did you submit upstream?
[00:29] <godbyk> donri: yep, that's me.  it's on my list of things to fix.
[00:29] <donri> Aye.
[00:30] <godbyk> the glossary style (which is just the default) adds its own period and we've typed one manually.
[00:30] <donri> Heh.
[00:30] <godbyk> I'm going to change the style to fix that.
[00:30] <donri> You guys are so productive. I don't know how you do it.
[00:31] <donri> But I have ADHD+OCD, ultimate productivity killers. xD
[00:31] <godbyk> donri: we pulled the patch from upstream.  it's in the latest version of evince.
[00:31] <donri> Ah.
[00:31] <godbyk> but lucid didn't have the latest version.
[00:31] <godbyk> so we had to backport the bits that we needed to fix the bug.
[00:31] <donri> I wonder if there's a Karmic PPA for that.
[00:33] <godbyk> donri: not that I'm aware of.
[00:33] <godbyk> I think your best bet is to wait for lucid.  afaik, it's not going to be backported to karmic.
[00:39] <daker> godbyk, !!!
[00:39] <daker> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[00:39] <daker> Unable to obtain lock lp-67241552:///~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock
[00:39] <daker> held by adnane002@bazaar.launchpad.net on host crowberry [process #23795]
[00:39] <daker> locked 4 minutes, 19 seconds ago
[00:39] <daker> Will continue to try until 00:39:19, unless you press Ctrl-C.
[00:39] <daker> See "bzr help break-lock" for more.
[00:39] <daker> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(remote lock)":
[00:40] <godbyk> daker: as long as you're not running bzr already, run 'bzr break-lock' and tell it to break the lock.
[00:40] <godbyk> don't forget to pull first to get the updates to the website I made.
[00:41] <godbyk> (You'll want to remove those PDFs that you copied to the countdown site)
[00:41] <daker> done but it gives the same error
[00:42] <godbyk> bzr break-lock bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[00:44] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/ubuntu-projects/ubuntu-manual$ bzr break-lock bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[00:44] <daker> Break lock bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock
[00:44] <daker> held by adnane002@bazaar.launchpad.net on host crowberry [process #23795]
[00:44] <daker> locked 1 hour, 51 minutes in the future? [y/n]:
[00:44] <daker> yes | no ?
[00:47] <godbyk> yes
[00:48] <daker> oki that's work
[00:48] <daker> the website doesn't sync ?
[00:48] <godbyk> it should
[00:48] <godbyk> every 10 minutes
[00:48] <daker> i mean this http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[00:51] <godbyk> right. that should sync every 10 minutes to whatever is in bzr.
[00:51] <godbyk> I haven't seen any messages that you've pushed something yet.
[00:51] <godbyk> Did you push something new?
[00:52] <daker>  something new? where ? daker folder or daker-countdown ?
[00:52] <godbyk> daker-countdown.
[00:52] <godbyk> ubuntu-manual.org points to daker-countdown
[00:53] <godbyk> test.ubuntu-manual.org points to daker-test
[00:53] <daker> but it doesn' show the content of daker-down it shows the content of daker folder :)
[00:53] <daker> t*
[00:54] <godbyk> refresh your browser? did your browser cache the old site?
[00:55] <daker> no
[00:56] <daker> i am sure this is the content of "daker" folder
[00:57] <godbyk> wtf
[00:58] <godbyk> I swear I've symlinked it twice now and it keeps getting undone somehow.
[00:58] <godbyk> one moment
[00:58] <daker> :)
[00:58] <daker> take your time
[00:58] <godbyk> daker: okay, try it now.
[00:59] <daker> right
[01:00] <godbyk> we'll see if it sticks this time. :-)
[01:10] <daker> there a problem in translation
[01:10] <daker> is
[01:11] <daker> the translation of the title "Getting started with Ubuntu 9.10" should be the same in all strings of each translation
[01:21] <godbyk> daker: I'm not following. Can you rephrase your question?
[01:23] <daker> the title "Getting started with Ubuntu 9.10" should be the same in all translated strings
[01:35] <godbyk> daker: Can you give me an example?
[01:35] <daker> one minute
[01:35] <godbyk> The string "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" will be translated into each language.
[01:42] <daker> understanding frensh language ?
[01:42] <godbyk> not really, but I can probably understand enough to get by for a single translation. :)
[01:43] <daker> so someone has translated "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" = "Débuter sous Ubuntu 10.04"
[01:44] <daker> in all the strings we have to find "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" to translated into "Débuter sous Ubuntu 10.04"
[01:44] <daker> not to another string
[01:44] <daker> understand ?
[01:45] <godbyk> are there are other translations being offered for "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04"?
[01:46] <daker> in the website
[01:46] <daker> sorry
[01:46] <daker> for the french translations no "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" = "Débuter sous Ubuntu 10.04" in all the strings
[01:47] <godbyk> I don't understand where the problem is.
[01:47] <daker> i repeat
[01:50] <daker> i can't find an example so forgot about it :)
[01:51] <godbyk> Heh.. Okay.
[01:52] <titeuf_87> What daker means I think is that some translations can have the title "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04" translated in different ways instead of just having one fixed translation for it that is used in the whole manual.
[01:52] <daker> titeuf_87, YESSSSSSSSSSSS
[01:53] <godbyk> Ah, I see.
[01:53] <daker> in the manual there is only one string with Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04
[01:54] <daker> but in the website there is about 10 or more
[01:54] <daker> godbyk, am i right ?
[01:55] <godbyk> For some languages, the translation may vary slightly to account for different forms (syntax, declensions, etc.)
[01:55] <godbyk> In the manual, Getting Started with Ubuntu appears five times.
[01:55] <godbyk> I haven't looked at the translations to check for consistency, though.
[01:56] <daker> godbyk, 6 times
[01:57] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/main/+pots/ubuntu-manual/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Getting+Started+with+Ubuntu
[01:57] <godbyk> daker: yes, but one of those isn't the title of the manual.
[01:57] <daker> yes
[03:17] <daker> GREAAAT http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[05:01] <daker> night all
[08:36] <vish> wolter: !
[08:36] <vish> hi ;)
[08:37] <wolter> hey vish, what up?
[08:38] <vish> wolter: could you also mention the "type" of the mime you requested in humanity?
[08:38] <wolter> as in application/x- blah blah/
[08:38] <wolter> ?
[08:38] <vish> yeah
[08:39] <wolter> ok
[08:39] <vish> wolter: i dont have all those filetypes you requested , so when i do make those icons ,it would be easier to just use the right mime names :)
[08:39] <wolter> good :)
[08:40] <wolter> should I remove the patterns?
[08:40] <vish> patterns?
[08:41] <wolter> yeah, like TODO*, *.patch, LICENSE
[08:42] <vish> nah , just mention the type you see in the properties for those icons
[08:42] <vish> not sure if all are themable though , will have to check
[08:43] <wolter> well, I've had themes with themes for them
[08:43] <wolter> for example, INSTALL has a nice icon
[08:43] <wolter> I love that one
[08:43] <wolter> ah, removed file patterns anyway
[08:43] <wolter> well, glad I could help
[08:43] <vish> thanks..
[08:48] <wolter> no problem
[09:43] <trijntje> Hi all, how should and é be inserted when translating the manual? just as é  or as \'e?
[13:06] <artnay> should I file bugs about non-translatable strings on website-translation?
[13:20] <Daker> @all i need feedback http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ pls
[13:20] <manualbot> Daker: Error: "all" is not a valid command.
[14:09] <trijntje> Hi all, how should and é be inserted when translating the manual? just as é  or as \'e?
[14:39] <ubuntujenkins> hello team how are we?
[14:43] <daker> ubuntujenkins, !!
[14:43] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[14:43] <daker> you are using this page
[14:43] <daker> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/getquickshot
[14:44] <daker> in quickshot but it does not exist
[14:45] <ubuntujenkins> dam ben re did the wiki I will fill in the wiki page now, thanks for that
[14:45] <daker> kk
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> fixed it daker
[14:48] <daker> good
[14:54] <daker> ubuntujenkins, there is a bug here http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/get_files.php?language=en
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> daker: we are aware of that we are waiting for kevin do recompile php. How do i view your api suggestion?
[14:58] <daker> just install lamp server and enable the url_rewriting
[14:58] <daker> To Call the "upload" page :
[14:58] <daker> **********************************************************
[14:58] <daker> 	$_POST['name']: The name of the screencap.
[14:58] <daker> 	$_POST['language']: The language to be queried.
[14:58] <daker> 	$_FILE['file']: The file to be uploaded.
[14:58] <daker> **********************************************************
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/upload
[14:58] <daker> To Get reference :
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/reference/name_of_screenshot
[14:58] <daker> To Get the last screenshot :
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/last/Code_Lang/name_of_screenshot
[14:58] <daker> To Get the last zip archive :
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/download/Code_Lang
[14:58] <daker> To Get the status :
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/status/Code_Lang
[14:58] <daker> To Get the details :
[14:58] <daker> http://screenshot.ubuntu-manual.org/api/details/name_of_screenshot
[14:58] <daker> the link will be like that
[14:58] <daker> links
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> i saw the read me just don't have a lamp
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> that wasn't in it
[14:58] <daker> i can host it for you to see
[14:59] <daker> one minutes
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> that would be good thanks
[15:23] <trijntje> Repost: how should an é be inserted when translating the manual in LP? just as é or as \'e?
[15:29] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: i THINK its \'{e} but we should check with godbyk
[15:35] <trijntje> thanks ubuntujenkins, ill ask godbyk when he gets back
[15:38]  * daker : f*** 3G is very bad
[15:44] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://filaya.com/api/
[15:44] <daker> http://filaya.com/api/api/reference/01-first-slide
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> it looks good daker, I don't know if we would keep the manual branding as we are aiming to cater for other projects as well
[15:48] <daker> o.O don't worry
[15:49] <ubuntujenkins> We haven't decided anything yet, we are in a month of plaining at the moment
[15:49] <daker> kk
[15:50] <daker> and why not a website quickshot.org
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> that would be an idea, i will add that to the list
[15:58] <ubuntujenkins> two languages have completed the screenshots
[15:58] <daker> ohh
[15:58] <ubuntujenkins> 5 are over half way
[15:59] <daker> kk
[16:35] <daker_> ubuntujenkins, did you know that http://www.mavizen.com/ ?
[16:35] <daker> http://www.mavizen.com/Bikes_and_Kits/TTX02.html
[16:43] <ubuntujenkins> daker: and electric super bike thats cool
[16:43] <daker> tuns under linux
[16:44] <ubuntujenkins> it runs linux that is even cooler
[16:44] <daker> awesome
[16:44] <ubuntujenkins> I am off to eat food, see you al later
[18:42] <ubuntujenkins> hello manual team
[18:42] <daker> back
[18:43] <ubuntujenkins> lots of lovely food inside me know
[18:43] <ubuntujenkins> *now
[18:44] <daker> what's the font's name of the ubuntu's logo ?
[18:47] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know I am afraid, i know they hadn't completed it they were looking for help producing the other letters
[18:48] <godbyk> trijntje and ubuntujenkins: insert it as é.  Use standard Unicode characters in the translations.
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks godbyk,
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> wow rhythambox deals with itunes links go ubuntu one music store
[19:02] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: no way! seriously? that's so awesome!
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> I was shouting at the silly people using itunes then, i was so excited. it is awesome!
[19:03] <godbyk> daker: can we adjust the website so that clicking on the logo/big header will take me to the home page?
[19:03] <godbyk> lol
[19:04] <godbyk> I have it when I'm browsing the web, click a link, and firefox/chrome says is has no idea how to handle itms:// protocol urls.
[19:04] <godbyk> also, making an itms:// protocol is just a lame move anyway. completely unnecessary.
[19:04] <daker> godbyk, sure
[19:06] <godbyk> daker: great! thanks.
[19:07]  * ubuntujenkins quickshot appears to be holding up well and screenshots are being done
[19:20] <godbyk> quickshot is awesome.
[19:20] <godbyk> I still need to burn the live cd and play with it sometime.
[19:20] <godbyk> it'd take forever to download it at my parents' house, though.
[19:20] <daker> :D godbyk
[19:21] <ubuntujenkins> glad you like it godbyk, the next version is going to be much better
[19:24] <godbyk> I know! The next version of quickshot will be more awesome. The next version of the manual will be more awesome, too.
[19:24] <godbyk> I think of this initial run-through as kind of a dry run.
[19:24] <godbyk> Just to show that what we're attempting is possible.
[19:25] <ubuntujenkins> When was it not possible, we could do with a few more people
[19:26] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: when you guys get to the point of redesigning quickshot, let me know. I'd like to give a hand there.
[19:26] <godbyk> I don't think it's ever been impossible.. this just helps assuage some doubts cast by others.
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> no problem we have an ideas pad here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/f0VIdaLXWZ  . That doubt still exists with some people
[19:29] <trijntje> godbyk: thans for the awnser
[19:29] <godbyk> trijntje: no problem.
[19:31] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks for taking care of those Quickshot things, daker. :)
[19:31] <Red_HamsterX> I'll be forking the server into its own branch later, though, so I may need to revisit them.
[19:32] <Red_HamsterX> You might want to hold off on applying more changes unless you're super-bored.
[19:32] <godbyk> daker: if you are super-bored, I can work with you on the download stuff for the ubuntu manual site now.
[19:32] <Red_HamsterX> One of the things related to the gradients is that I also want to indicate the percentage of accepted images.
[19:33] <Red_HamsterX> Not just the uploaded coverage.
[19:33] <Red_HamsterX> (We have no way of calculating that yet)
[19:33] <daker> Red_HamsterX, oh
[19:34] <daker> godbyk, the download stuff is already done
[19:35] <Red_HamsterX> We're still building the Quickshot wishlists. Work-in-progress.
[19:35] <godbyk> daker: I'd like to modify some things and add some features.
[19:35] <Red_HamsterX> But your changes will be preserved. :)
[19:35] <daker> Red_HamsterX, oki
[19:35] <daker> godbyk, like what ?
[19:35] <godbyk> daker: keep a count of how many times each file has been downloaded.
[19:36] <godbyk> daker: modify the url style slightly
[19:36] <Red_HamsterX> (I'm actually a pretty good web developer. I'm just a terrible designer)
[19:36] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i saw that
[19:36] <daker> godbyk, google analitycs can do it
[19:36] <Red_HamsterX> Quickshot's an exception. =P
[19:37] <godbyk> daker: not nearly as well as I'd like. and I don't want to rely on analytics for a simple count.
[19:37] <Red_HamsterX> I spent, like, two hours on the actual interface stuff.
[19:37] <daker> so for that i think we need mysql godbyk ?
[19:38] <godbyk> daker: probably. I can set up a mysql db for us easily.
[19:38] <daker> oki
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX, does the button fix script work yet, not that we have any screenshots to do in a rush
[19:39] <Red_HamsterX> It does. We just need to put proper images into reference/.
[19:39] <Red_HamsterX> So we need real samples to clip.
[19:39] <daker> Red_HamsterX, have you seen that http://filaya.com/api/
[19:39] <daker> http://filaya.com/api/api/reference/01-first-slide
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> cool Red_HamsterX when we have the samples we will have to give it ago
[19:40] <Red_HamsterX> The reference the Quickshot server is providing is http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/get_reference.php?name=01-first-slide
[19:40] <Red_HamsterX> I don't think users will be confused.
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> nice you updated the reference
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> is the original in out branch?
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> It's been overwritten with that.
[19:41] <ubuntujenkins> nice i can add it to the manual
[19:41] <Red_HamsterX> I replaced everything as I saw differences.
[19:43] <ubuntujenkins> shall we create a quickshot sever project on launchpad?
[19:43] <Red_HamsterX> I'm not sure how Bazaar's concept of branches work.
[19:43] <Red_HamsterX> If it can be a child of the Quickshot project (which should split into 'client' and 'server'), that would be ideal.
[19:44]  * Red_HamsterX is finishing up a PyWeek submission and is therefore a bit distracted.
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> kk i will explain when you are not busy
[19:46] <godbyk> I'll be back in a bit. I'm going to head to my brother's house for a few minutes.
[19:50] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i am able to upload files like into the screenshots server
[19:50] <daker> i upload this http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/launchpad-export.tar.gz@@1270320606.png
[19:51] <Red_HamsterX> How did you do that?
[19:52] <Red_HamsterX> I wouldn't be surprised if I forgot to check for something, since it was built to be a very trusting system (tight deadline), but I don't see how that'll actually break anything.
[19:52] <daker> create a html file
[19:52] <daker> <form method="post" action="http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/upload.php" enctype="multipart/form-data">
[19:52] <daker> 	<input type="text" name="name" id="name" value="" maxlength="64" size="30" />  <br />
[19:52] <daker> 	<input type="text" name="lang" id="lang" value="" maxlength="64" size="30" />  <br />
[19:52] <daker> 	<input type="file" name="file" size="30" /> <br />
[19:52] <daker> 	<input type="submit" value="Envoyer" class="btn"/>

[19:53] <daker> i can show you your mistakes :D
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> I'm aware of that one. =P
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> I plan to rebuild the entire system from scratch, to make sure it's done right next time.
[19:53] <Red_HamsterX> This one was just so we could actually get the manual built.
[19:54] <Red_HamsterX> It's abuse-tolerant, not abuse-proof.
[19:54] <daker> Red_HamsterX, try just with this
[19:54] <daker> <form method="post" action="http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/upload.php" enctype="multipart/form-data">
[19:54] <daker> 	
[19:54] <daker> 	<input type="file" name="file" size="30" /> <br />
[19:54] <daker> 	<input type="submit" value="Envoyer" class="btn"/>

[19:54] <daker> and the file will be uploaded
[19:55] <Red_HamsterX> Fine. I'll fix it now.
[19:55] <daker> Red_HamsterX, have a look at my version based on your's
[19:56] <Red_HamsterX> Pushed.
[19:56] <daker> yes
[19:56] <Red_HamsterX> I'm under a super-tight deadline right now... I'd really rather not, unless it's a major security issue.
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> I emant I pushed a fix for that exploit.
[19:57] <Red_HamsterX> I was using && instead of || for a validation check.
[19:57] <daker> yes
[20:03] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i can help to rebuild the sever from scratch, if you want
[20:06] <Red_HamsterX> I'd like to ask you to help test it for exploits, and possibly to design all of the user-visible features.
[20:06] <Red_HamsterX> But I won't be ready to start working on it for at leasta  week, and I'll need to reconsider how data is stored and managed before beginning.
[20:07] <Red_HamsterX> Based on what we've found with regards tot he client's needs.
[20:13] <daker> Red_HamsterX, do some etherpad pls
[20:17] <ubuntujenkins> daker, we will be waiting till about mid april before we start on the next release
[20:17] <daker> oki
[20:18] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah. Until then, we're just going to add ideas to the bad, remove things that don't fit, and rearrange/reprioritize what we really want to see.
[20:18] <Red_HamsterX> pad*
[20:18] <Red_HamsterX> Feel free to add your ideas.
[20:19] <ubuntujenkins> I am off now see everyone tomorrow
[20:19] <daker> see you
[20:19] <Red_HamsterX> Bye, ubuntujenkins~
[20:41] <daker> Red_HamsterX, i have an idea
[20:44] <daker> to authenticate users, then have to request a key from the server by providing there emails
[20:44] <daker> they*
[20:46] <daker> and they should give it to quickshot in the first step, and quickshot have to request the sever if the key is valid or not
[20:47] <daker> a key is valid for a week for example, when it expire, the user have to request another key
[21:43] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[22:10] <Red_HamsterX> daker, add it to the pad.
[22:10] <Red_HamsterX> It seems a little complicated, but it might lead to something pretty cool.
[22:10] <daker> oki
[22:13] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: I set up quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org for you guys.
[22:13] <godbyk> If you have files you want me to point it at, or a different site or something, let me know.
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> We've got nothing for now, but we'll let you know.
[22:13] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks, godbyk. :)
[22:13] <godbyk> No problem. :)
[22:14] <godbyk> I've got lucid running on my laptop here, so I'm going to try running quickshot from the ppa.
[22:42] <godbyk> I'm going to play with quickshot for a bit, so I may be in and out.
[22:42] <godbyk> Feel free to ping godbyk-android  if you need anything and godbyk isn't here.
[22:42] <daker> kk
[22:50] <godbyk> quickshot crashed on me when it tried to download the list of screenshots.
[22:50] <godbyk> I tried to submit a bug report via apport, but that failed because it didn't like python2.6 or something.
[22:51] <godbyk> (it said the python2.6 and python2.6-minimal packages were obsolete or somesuch.)
[22:52] <godbyk> upgrading python2.6 et al. now.
[22:59] <godbyk> okay, python updated.  trying again.
[23:12] <godbyk> okay, that was fun.
[23:12] <godbyk> so the first crash was because my laptop wasn't connected to the network.
[23:12] <godbyk> probably shouldn't crash -- it should give an error message instead.
[23:12] <godbyk> after fixing that, I installed the Latin language packs.  (I figured I can't screw much up there!)
[23:13] <godbyk> quickshot crashed and didn't present a gui error message when I tried to run it under latin.
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> Error-reporting was highly under-developed. :(
[23:19] <Red_HamsterX> I thought I added a network catch, though...
[23:20] <Red_HamsterX> It's point 3 on the todo list.
[23:22] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: no worries. I just filed some bug reports for them.
[23:22] <godbyk> Also, apport failed with an error saying that quickshot wasn't an official ubuntu program or somesuch.
[23:22] <godbyk> Can we set it up to work with quickshot?
[23:22] <godbyk> or do we have to be official or somesuch?
[23:23] <Red_HamsterX> I don't know. ubuntujenkins is more familiar with that area than I am.
[23:24] <godbyk> gotcha.
[23:25] <godbyk> oh, i should point out that this has all been with quickshot from the -released repository.
[23:25] <Red_HamsterX> I don't believe anything has changed in the new branches/paths.
[23:25] <Red_HamsterX> But I've been uninvolved over the past two days.
[23:25] <Red_HamsterX> (PyWeek)
[23:25] <godbyk> understood.
[23:26] <Red_HamsterX> Just keep logging things. :)
[23:26] <Red_HamsterX> Every bug will get addressed.
[23:26] <godbyk> I'm mostly looking at it all from the user's perspective (being one of those usability/design guys).
[23:27] <godbyk> I'm not expecting instant action or anything.  Just taking notes for things to consider in our next version.
[23:30] <Red_HamsterX> Which is exactly what we need. :)
[23:30] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to insist that error reporting be wrapped around every last thing in 1.0.
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> Debug printouts, functions to make logging and presenting errors easy...
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> I don't want anything to go unnoticed by developers or untracable by the clueful end user.
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> +be
[23:31] <godbyk> agreed.
[23:31] <titeuf_87> When the gui is also more separated it'll be easier to add in error reporting.
[23:31] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah.
[23:31] <godbyk> I'll look into the apport thing, too.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> That was a major halting point for this realease.
[23:32] <godbyk> since it's popping  up and telling me that quickshot crashed and offers to report a problem, it seems like it should be easy to allow for that.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> The need to get it working resulted in a collaboratively edited monolithic design.
[23:32] <godbyk> yeah, everything to do with both quickshot and the manual has been a bit slapdash so far.
[23:32] <Red_HamsterX> And it's really hard to wrap one of those.
[23:32] <godbyk> but we'll be fixing that, now that we have a better idea of what we're doing. :)
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> We've learned a lot, overcome the hardest challenges, and know more about how to work otgether.
[23:33] <godbyk> I think a TON of our stuff (quickshot and manual both) will be streamlined by 10.10.
[23:33] <Red_HamsterX> Thanks, titeuf_87. :)
[23:34] <titeuf_87> The aport thing wasn't this something we got for free from using quickly?
[23:34] <godbyk> I don't know.
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> I think so.
[23:34] <godbyk> apport gave me an error msg. I'm going to go back in and see what the msg was and google it.
[23:34] <godbyk> see if I can figure out how to make it all work.
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> But godbyk reported that Ubuntu is rejecting it because Quickshot isn't official. We'll need to look into that.
[23:34] <godbyk> if we can get those bug reports, that'd be quite helpful.
[23:34] <Red_HamsterX> Maybe we just need to link our dev branch to something.
[23:34] <godbyk> that could be.
[23:35] <godbyk> I'll try it again and note the exact wording of the msg and see what we can figure out.
[23:35] <godbyk> be back in a moment.
[23:35] <godbyk> (going to give esperanto a shot this time. ;-))
[23:40] <titeuf_87> I find nothing back of apport in the source code.
[23:49] <askhl> Hi.  Looking at the translatable strings: "TRANSLATORS: do not translate this type: Plain text" <-- What does this comment mean?  Which "type" does it refer to?  What does the isolated statement "Plain text" mean?
[23:49] <Red_HamsterX> Oh, I see why my catch didn't work for your crash, godbyk.
[23:50] <askhl> Wait, I see it.  They all say "type: plain text", it's just concatenated in this case, which looks rather confusing
[23:56] <godbyk> The apport error is:
[23:56] <godbyk> The program cannot be reported:
[23:56] <godbyk> This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[23:56] <godbyk> I have to run.  Going to my grandma's house for dinner. I'll be back in a few hours.
[23:57] <titeuf_87> Thanks, and take care godbyk