[00:22] <rww> G'day. Anyone around and feel like poking at some factoids for me?
[00:24] <Myrtti> depends
[00:26] <rww> !search controls
[00:27] <rww> 1) The last one in that list looks like a broken attempt to make a factoid. 2) Since the controls are, in fact, now staying on the left side for definite, !controls-#* could probably be moved to !controls, the channel specific factoids deleted, and !currentissues cleared
[00:28] <rww> ( see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564 for the confirmation on them staying on the left)
[00:29]  * Myrtti stares blankly
[00:30] <rww> I should probably go find a GNOME user, huh ;P
[00:30] <rww> #
[00:30] <Myrtti> I don't mind changing the factoid, you just said it in a bit confusing way
[00:30] <Myrtti> !control
[00:31] <Myrtti> right
[00:31] <Myrtti> !forget controls-#ubuntu-mozillateam <alias> control
[00:31] <Myrtti> !search controls
[00:31] <Myrtti> oh for deitys sake
[00:32] <Myrtti> yeah. I'll just go over there --> to read my less confusing literature
[05:17] <aetaric> anyone in #ubuntu-server ?
[08:35] <Mamarok> yeah, I just kicked him from #kubuntu
[08:37] <bazhang> same for #ubuntu have freenode staff in PM about him
[08:37] <Mamarok> ah, OK, ke is gone
[08:37] <Mamarok> he*
[08:37] <bazhang> yep killed
[08:52] <bazhang> whoa in -ot
[09:13] <bazhang> kitena in #kubuntu
[09:17] <bazhang> now dionna
[10:00] <yofel> hi, can someone change to topic of #ubuntu+1 please? the 'Gnome 2.30 is being uploaded, don't upgrade' message shouldn't be needed anymore
[10:33] <Tm_T> Mamarok: we have lots of those these days
[10:33] <Mamarok> Tm_T: report that chap tp freenode, I wouldn't be astonished if it is the same guy ban evading
[10:33] <bazhang> no real need to ban as they get kilined though
[10:33] <bazhang> err klined
[10:34] <Tm_T> bazhang: except they come back until they get k-lined
[10:34] <Tm_T> seen that
[10:39] <Tm_T> Mamarok: I noted peace that no need to be hostile, and reminded the ops call
[10:39] <Mamarok> Tm_T: I was going to do that, thanks :)
[10:40] <Tm_T> love to be useful while waiting the system to fix itself
[11:08] <jussi01> maco: genii et al, sorry about the downtime - had some electrical work done in the house.
[15:04] <bazhang> the konversation faq is weird
[15:28] <jussi01> bazhang: why are you looking at it?
[15:29] <bazhang> jussi01, getting help for a user to connect with konversation; it suggests running a script to import mirc servers
[15:29] <jussi01> ahh
[15:30] <jussi01> quassel has servers built in :)
[15:30] <bazhang> not for newer users, will suggest quassel next time thanks
[15:39] <jussi01> bazhang: yeah, quasssel is default in Kubuntu, so has some integration built in.
[15:40] <bazhang> jussi01, good to know , thanks :)
 hi, can someone change to topic of #ubuntu+1 please? the 'Gnome 2.30 is being uploaded, don't upgrade' message shouldn't be needed anymore
[16:10] <bazhang> anyone with access in #ubuntu+1 ^^
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> hi anyone around?
[17:45] <shadeslayer_> we have a join-part flood issue in #kubuntu-devel,the nick is lubyou
[17:46] <shadeslayer_> can someone silence him? :P
[19:12]  * mneptok is on it
[20:03] <jussi01> maco: can you please watch #ubuntu for awhile?
[20:03] <maco> jussi01: yes
[20:03] <maco> jussi01: but i dont have +o there...
[20:03] <jussi01> maco: look again...
[20:04] <maco> jussi01: ooh shiny
[20:15] <mneptok> maco: please deop yourself when you don't need the @
[20:15] <maco> mneptok: i cant reop if i deop
[20:15] <maco> i'm not on the access list
[20:15] <mneptok> maco: ChanServ opped you. how?
[20:15] <maco> mneptok: jussi
[20:16] <maco> or am i confused about how this works?
[20:16] <mneptok> maco: the policy is that no one should idle as an op unless there are serious issues, AFAIK.
[20:17] <mneptok> maco: feel free to keep yourself opped until someone confirms my suspiscions
 maco: can you please watch #ubuntu for awhile?
 jussi01: yes
 jussi01: but i dont have +o there...
 maco: look again...
 jussi01: ooh shiny
[20:17] <maco> --> mnepton (~mneptok@maria-project/captain/mneptok) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[20:18] <maco> mneptok: you wanna take over? if so, i'll deop
[20:18] <jussi01> mneptok: I opped her as there didnt seem to be anyone around. if someone is available for the next while, then maco can feel free to deop. but if not, I have no issue with her being op for a little while.
[20:18] <mneptok> maco / jussi01: with the MySQL UC next week, me "being around" is far from a certainty
[20:19] <maco> what does UC = ?
[20:19] <jussi01> yeah, exactly.
[20:19] <jussi01> maco: just leave yourself opped unless someone turns up.
[20:19] <mneptok> jussi01: so why isn't maco on the access list? can;t we just do that and avoid all this?
[20:19] <maco> ok
[20:19] <maco> because i havent officially applied through all the IRCC stuff
[20:19] <mneptok> maco gets my +1, FWIW
[20:19] <jussi01> mneptok: because the ircc hasnt made that decision.
[20:20] <jussi01> there will be a call for new ops soon methinks ;)
[20:20] <mneptok> damned well better be. that cinnamon roll on her head makes me nervous.
[20:20] <mneptok> :P
[20:21] <mneptok> maco: UC = User Conference
[20:21]  * maco takes away mneptok's black vodka
[20:21] <mneptok> http://en.oreilly.com/mysql2010/
[20:34] <eremite> Uhh...why am I banned from the #ubuntu channel?
[20:34]  * maco looks
[20:35] <maco> @login
[20:35] <maco> @btlogin
[20:36] <mneptok> eremite: i banned you for personal attacks against other users, and your unwillingness to listen to my polite requests to stop.
[20:37] <eremite> You were not paying attention to the entire conversation and teh context.  You centered me out for no reason when it was not me that was abusing other users by calling them names and using profanity.  I summoned the !ops because somone was acting up, and for some reason you assumed it was ME.
[20:37] <mneptok> no, that's not true
[20:37] <eremite> I help in the Ubuntu channel EVERYDAY.  I lend serious man hours to that community.
[20:38] <eremite> It is true.  Read the logs.
[20:38] <mneptok> i asked you to stop the personal attacks. several times. your response was:
[20:38] <mneptok> 12:13 < eremite> mneptok: please go back and pay attention to how this started.  If you seriously think Im in the wrong here then you donrt knwop hwo to read.
[20:38] <eremite> Exactly, and you obviously didnt see how it started, did you?
[20:38] <mneptok> you miss the point. i don't CARE how personal attacks started. i want them STOPPED.
[20:39] <mneptok> "he started it!" is an argument i stopped caring about in elementary school.
[20:39] <eremite> I was trying to stop somone else from using personal attacks.  I did not attack anyone!  That's why I summoned the ops in the first place.  Read back a few lines.
[20:40] <eremite> Banning me for that is outrageous.
[20:40] <mneptok> 12:09 < eremite> Joker_-__: good for you.  Want a cookie?
[20:41] <mneptok> not helpful. demeaning. dismissive. ergo, against the CoC.
[20:42] <mneptok> 12:11 < eremite> I think you shoudl just mind yoru own business Out_Cold
[20:42] <mneptok> not helpful. demeaning. dismissive. ergo, against the CoC.
[20:42] <eremite> Yeah, I said that.  So?  I was just called saeveral names and attacked for no reason.  What I said was hardly a harsh response to what was said to me.  Banning me for that is stupid.  I help so many people in that channel, and this is the thanks I get?
[20:42] <eremite> mneptok: how is telling somone who was not party to the conversation to mind tehir own business (ending the drama) against teh CoC?
[20:43] <mneptok> i banned you because i asked you several times to stop, and your response was to tell me that unless i agreed with you, i don't know how to read.
[20:43] <eremite> Are you going to unband me or am I going to have to change operating systems?
[20:43] <maco> We use a slightly modified form of meritocracy in Ubuntu.  Instead of "X may not be very nice, but they did the work, so we'll overlook that" we prefer that people be nice as well
[20:43] <eremite> Are you going to unband me or am I going to have to change operating systems?
[20:43] <mneptok> the answer to that is entirely dependent upon your attitude and your willingness to admit that perhaps you were a bit out of line.
[20:44] <eremite> Unband me.
[20:46] <mneptok> i can assure you that demanding the ban be removed will not be a successful strategy.
[20:47] <eremite> It wasnt a demond, at least not meant to be one.  Jesus, this is a lot of drama for uttering just one little sentence.
[20:47] <mneptok> yes, it is.
[20:47] <eremite> So, then unban me and we can forget it. Eh?
[20:48] <mneptok> how about you think about being condescending, dismissive, and abusive? agree to abide by the CoC and channel guidelines? and be sincere in doing so?
[20:48] <maco> Agree to be respectful in #ubuntu first?
[20:48] <mneptok> !coc
[20:48] <mneptok> !guidelines
[20:50] <eremite> I know how to be respectful.  Im in there everyday.  All day.  Helping.  Check the logs.  How do you think I am able to be in there everyday if this was a common situation with me?  Come on, banning somone for that is not needed.  Booting me would be been suffice, without a doubt.  If you want me to belittle myself and beg for forgiveness like some sombre little kid that will not happen.  I already accepted that i was in teh wrong
[20:50] <mneptok> i don't see where you accepted that.
[20:51] <eremite> ^ I just said that I did.  Jesus...
[20:51] <mneptok> and, for the record, being in the channel everyday is not an excuse or entitlement to break the rules. indeed, it means you should know them *better* than most users.
[20:53] <eremite> Yes or no would be good.  I dont really have the time to argue semantics over this.  I love Ubuntu but if I am not allowed to take part in teh copmmunity then I will go elsewhere.  Especially if you guys are going to be so anal about something this minute.  I acceted that I was in teh wrong and have asked several times for a yes or no answer.  Will you unban me or will I have to change OS'?\
[20:53] <mneptok> if you're helping people with the expectation that the rules will not apply to you, or that you will get the unswerving gratitude of the Ubuntu community and be exempt from the policies that apply to everyone, you are misteaken.
[20:53] <mneptok> *mistaken
[20:53] <mneptok> if you are, as you say, "in the wrong," then how is dealing with that "being anal?"
[20:54] <mneptok> you are either guilty of some bad behavior and we are bound by our roles as ops to correct it, or not.
[20:54] <eremite> This carrying on is the anal part.  Jesus, are you just trying to get me frustrated?  I asked for you to answer with a uyes or a no, not to be belittled and lectured.
[20:55] <maco> mneptok has a way with words. lots of them.
[20:55] <mneptok> well, i find your apology to be somewhat lacking in sincerity.
[20:55] <eremite> Do you think I would be here wasting my time if it wasnt?  Logic, sir.  Logic.
[20:56] <mneptok> many people have wasted far more time on far smaller issues. and are usually equally insincere.
[20:56] <mneptok> did you or did you not break the established Community and IRC channel guidelines?
[20:56] <eremite> OK, I can see that this isnt going anywhere,.  Good luck with Ubuntu.  Sorry that you were not able to just let it go and acceopt an apology.  I'll be uninstalling Ubuntu in several minutes. \
[20:57] <mneptok> *sigh*
[20:57] <jpds> That was daft.
[20:58] <mneptok> try a "/lastlog sorry"
[20:59] <mneptok> not really offering an apology there, AFAICS
[20:59] <jpds> I think the guy just doesn't know how to cool off.
[21:21]  * jpds pokes maco's +o.
[21:22] <maco> jpds: do you want to take over in #ubuntu ?
[21:22] <maco> jussi was going afk and so +o'd me (im not on access list) to cover for him til someone else shows up
[21:23] <jpds> Ah, right.
[21:23] <maco> so if i -o, i cant get +o back again, which is fine if someone's offering to take over
[22:02] <Semitones> hey if there are any -ot ops here, could you talk to dmsuperman about his quit message
[22:03] <topyli> thanks
[22:04] <Semitones> np
[22:06] <topyli> @mark dmsuperman #ubuntu-offtopic notified about changing offensive quit message