[00:31] <akgraner> IdleOne, what is the difference in these 2 wiki's http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/Evenement and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Fr/Basededonnée
[00:32] <akgraner> I put both headers on one wiki so you can see them
[00:32] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/test
[00:36] <akgraner> oh NEVER MIND ME I GET IT  - DOH!
[01:46] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated - ok *now* I think it's ready :-)
[03:01] <IdleOne> akgraner: PagesNeedingTranslated looks awesome :)
[03:04] <akgraner> thanks hope that helps I need to rearrange some of the columns in a better priority
[03:04] <akgraner> but it's a start
[03:10] <IdleOne> I like it
[03:12] <IdleOne> also created a Fr/ImpliquéVous/UbuntuWomen == GetInvolved/UbuntuWomen
[03:13] <IdleOne> keeping track of all these links in my head is making me dizzy :)
[03:13] <pleia2> gosh, I really need to go through this
[03:13] <pleia2> Robin hasn't been the planet contact for years
[03:15] <pleia2> there, fixed
[03:17] <pleia2> I am not sure the Ideas page should be translated per se
[03:17] <pleia2> maybe an Ideas page for each language would be useful
[03:19] <pleia2> Events is one we we need to fix up too
[03:19] <IdleOne> hehe your killing me
[03:19] <pleia2> sorry :\
[03:19] <IdleOne> lol
[03:20] <nigelbabu> IdleOne, she can be a slave driver sometimes :D
[03:20] <pleia2> Events is on the to be fixed page!
[03:20] <pleia2> nigelbabu: aww, give me a break, I was at work when akgraner put this page together :)
[03:20] <nigelbabu> pleia2, j/k
[03:20] <IdleOne> where is the to be fixed page?
[03:21] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/WeShouldFix
[03:21] <pleia2> in progress
[03:21] <pleia2> we should also hold off on translating Translators
[03:22] <akgraner> lyz shoot me which pages to hold off on
[03:22]  * pleia2 removes link to defunct goog group
[03:22] <akgraner> I'll color code them with some obnoxious color
[03:22] <nigelbabu> whats wrong with the mentors page btw?
[03:22] <akgraner> not up to date
[03:22] <pleia2> nigelbabu: it doesn't reflect reality, we've never used that
[03:22] <akgraner> needs to be reworked
[03:23] <pleia2> it's a maverick goal :)
[03:23] <nigelbabu> meaning, you want more people listed offering services?
[03:23] <akgraner> pleia2, I am still editing the all pages page
[03:23] <akgraner> once I am finished can you makes some notes on there
 we should also hold off on translating Translators. OK blocked off
[03:24] <pleia2> I think GetInvolved/UbuntuWomen is ok now
[03:24] <akgraner> as I complete stuff I will just comment it out but have it for history
[03:24] <pleia2> Ideas should be per-language probably, not translated directly
[03:24] <akgraner> give me like an hour I am on the "G's" tight now
[03:24] <pleia2> shouldn't PagesNeedingTranslated be PagesNeedingTranslation? :)
[03:26] <pleia2> I guess I'll hold off on this
[03:27] <IdleOne> pleia2: on Translators page Please Contact Us, and I will add you to the [[http://groups.google.com/group/i18n-mentor|i18n-mentors]]...  the Contact Us should have an email link or link to mailing list??
[03:27] <pleia2> IdleOne: I removed that
[03:28] <IdleOne> oh ok ##
[03:28] <IdleOne> I see
[03:28] <IdleOne> never mind
[03:28] <pleia2> yeah
[03:28] <pleia2> this was written ages ago by a woman who is no longer involved
[03:29] <IdleOne> Fr has 4 pages completed :)
[03:30] <pleia2> oh, I remember these GetInvolved/ pages
[03:30] <pleia2> I wrote all these when I was hoping we could move http://ubuntu-women.org/getinv.html to the wiki
[03:30] <pleia2> before I had web access
[03:31] <pleia2> if you notice, GetInvolved/UbuntuWomen is almost a duplicate of the bottom of http://ubuntu-women.org/getinv.html
[03:31] <pleia2> the website was actually updated, the wiki was not
[03:31] <pleia2> that's why the wiki was out of date, it wasn't really being used
[03:31] <pleia2> we replaced all the other GetInvolved/ pages with a link to the official Ubuntu documentation
[03:32] <pleia2> anyway, the GetInvolved pages should either be deleted, or linked to the main website
[03:32] <pleia2> (I vote most of them being deleted, duplicating the work of the official docs is silly)
[03:34] <IdleOne> so no getInvolved?
[03:35] <pleia2> we can probably keep GetInvolved/UbuntuWomen - but it should be renamed to something else, maybe just GetInvolved
[03:35] <pleia2> and remove all the GetInvolved subpages
[03:35]  * pleia2 does this
[03:38] <pleia2> ok, all we have now is http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/GetInvolved
[03:39] <pleia2> which has questionable usefulness, but we can keep it for now :)
[03:40] <IdleOne> ready for translation?
[03:40] <pleia2> sure
[03:40] <pleia2> not changed much from GetInvolved/UbuntuWomen
[03:41]  * pleia2 goes to see about food
[03:43] <elky> <3 the wiki
[03:43] <nigelbabu> elky, ah, just the person I was lookin for :)
[03:44] <elky> eep!
[03:44] <nigelbabu> elky, do you mind a PM?
[03:44] <elky> go for it
[03:58] <akgraner> pleia2, Chrome just crashed and none of my changes on the All pages saved
[03:58] <akgraner> I am callin it a night
[03:58] <akgraner> just add notes for me and I'll look at in the morning
[04:04] <akgraner> oh crap the IRC Purpose needs to be fixed as well - looks like it is still all the ideas
[05:01] <pleia2> akgraner: doh :( will do - have a good night!
[05:17] <nhandler> pleia2: Thanks for adding the Ubuntu Women team reports. You might want to follow this guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo and switch to the newer method of using <Include()> tags for the reports
[05:18] <pleia2> nhandler: we can't include, we're on a different wiki
[05:18] <pleia2> sorry :(
[05:18] <pleia2> wiki.ubuntu-women.org isn't at all linked with wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:18] <nhandler> Hmm...Let me double check. I thought there was a way
[05:19] <pleia2> I would have done it properly months ago if I knew of a way (I already converted a bunch of teams to that new way)
[05:22] <nhandler> Let me think about this. I believe my script that prepares the reports would handle the <<Include tag properly, but the wiki doesn't want to display it.
[05:24] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[06:03] <akgraner> Good Morning :-)
[06:03] <maco> akgraner: why are you awake again already?
[06:03] <maco> akgraner: it's still sleepy time in our timezone!
[06:03] <pleia2> +1
[06:03] <rww> the IRC addiction is starting to take hold of akgraner!
[06:04] <akgraner> i have no idea - I only take naps these days - maco - haha what are you awake
[06:04] <maco> akgraner: im a student. im always up late
[06:04] <pleia2> akgraner: I worked on AllPages lots
[06:04] <akgraner> rww, IRC Intervention
[06:05] <akgraner> sounds like a great idea for a blueprint
[06:05] <rww> akgraner: I think I need one of those.
[06:05] <maco> me too
[06:05] <akgraner> pleia2, oh cool thank you!!!
[06:06] <akgraner> hehe bekabug that's cool - we call my daughter BeccaBug :-)
[06:06] <maco> akgraner: have you checked that your daughter's actually asleep?
[06:06] <akgraner> maco, hehe
[06:07] <akgraner> yeah - between wrestling, colorguard and gardening she is tired these days
[06:07] <maco> wow
[06:08] <akgraner> oh and performing - she is going to be performing at the Goat Festival  that invited me to set up the ubuntu Booth
[06:08] <akgraner> should be a really fun time and a great new way to introduce people to open source via ubuntu
[06:10] <akgraner> pleia2, WOW!
[06:10] <akgraner> you weren't kiddin were ya
[06:10] <pleia2> :)
[06:12] <maco> the goat festival?
[06:21] <akgraner> pleia2, 39 Languages  - I left of Slovenian, Swedish , and Spanish somehow :-/
[06:21] <akgraner> maco, yep the American Dairy Goat Farmers have a headquarters in Spindale NC
[06:21] <pleia2> doh
[06:21] <akgraner> (of all places)
[06:22] <akgraner> and they raise goats to give to women in Africa
[06:22] <akgraner> well one of the things they do is that
[06:22] <akgraner> and show give them a way to make a living with goats
[06:23] <akgraner> and when they found out about "ubuntu" the philosophy, spirit, and the OS and that is has it's roots in Africa - they said "You have to have a booth at the Festival"
[06:24] <akgraner> to which Pete replied - talk to my wife - she is the community person and she can help you with your computer  (I was a little touched by the fact he told them to talk to me)
[06:25] <maco> hehe sorry i gotta laugh at the kernel hacker saying that the still-calls-herself-NTEU is the one that can help with the computer
[06:26] <akgraner> yeah well about that  - yeah I think I will always call myself and NTEU for some reason..  me looks around for nigelbabu (he said he was going to kick me everytime I call myself that :-P )
[06:26] <akgraner> an not and
[06:28] <akgraner> so now the music store where Becca, Pete and Matt take lessons from all their computers are Ubuntu, the wireless provider we have runs Ubuntu Servers, the Goat Festival People are trying it out and I have a meeting with our economic planning board to see where the city can start using open source
[06:28] <akgraner> so yeah kinda cool
[06:28] <akgraner> out of the box kinda stuff
[06:28] <maco> wow
[06:29] <maco> YOU ROCK HARDCORE!
[06:29] <maco> um...or gospel...if you prefer
[06:29] <akgraner> hehe
[06:29] <akgraner> it's all good
[06:29] <akgraner> now if I could only make money doing all this I would be golden :-)
[06:29] <maco> my brain just went "wait! catholic! easter! Devils Music doesnt it!"
[06:30] <maco> s/it/fit/
[06:30] <akgraner> HAHA
[06:30] <akgraner> nah time and place for everything :-)
[06:31] <akgraner> I haven't been teaching much lately - 45 mins to get to the church or the school here so... I have gotten lazy and don't want to drive places unless I *have* too these days
[06:32] <akgraner> but I did find out there is a whole group of Ubuntu Users who are working to get the Catholic Church to use Ubuntu and or any Open Source OS and/or applications
[06:32] <maco> Ichthus?
[06:33] <maco> (cant spell...stupid word)
[06:33] <akgraner> I dunno - I haven't looked into really
[06:33] <akgraner> someone just sent me links - and well I have enough to do atm  - figured that could wait
[06:34] <akgraner> I added it to my "this would be cool to look into when I have nothing else todo" folder
[06:35] <maco> icthus used to be "christian edition"
[06:35] <maco> the i-word i cant spell is christian edition
[06:36] <maco> the s-word i cant spell is muslim edition
[06:36] <akgraner> nah - I that's not it - but last year when I was talking about parental controls I saw something about it though
[06:36] <akgraner> they have some interesting parental controls
[06:36] <maco> dansguardian?
[06:37] <akgraner> yep
[06:37] <akgraner> well one of the things they use
[06:37] <maco> i put that on my cousin's laptop before giving it to her
[06:37] <maco> though iirc theres no gui to configure it?
[06:37] <akgraner> there is not any *one* thing but a series of things they recommend iirc
[06:37] <akgraner> it's been over a year now - kinda foggy on the details with that these days
[06:38] <akgraner> yeah I can't remember off the top of my head now
[06:38] <akgraner> and too lazy to switch desktop windows and google it
[06:38] <akgraner> so sad
[06:39] <akgraner> dang it  - this enter key and I  -  I meant   - so sad I am so lazy :-P
[06:39] <akgraner> anyone use inkscape?
[06:40] <maco> i do
[06:40] <akgraner> oh cool
[06:40] <maco> what did i just sign up for?
[06:40] <akgraner> you'll be at SELF right?
[06:40] <rww> I can kinda use it.
[06:40] <maco> yes i will
[06:40] <maco> i *may* have figured out carpool/hotel-room-share too
[06:40] <akgraner> I still can't figure it out well enough to use just inkscape and hope back to pages when I get stuck trying to do something
[06:41] <maco> oh
[06:41] <maco> ive never used inkscape for like....a newsletter
[06:41] <akgraner> hop I mean
[06:41] <maco> just to make individual images to use in other stuff
[06:41] <maco> i use scribus for desktop publishing type stuff
[06:42] <akgraner> yeah  - GIMP and I are BFF's these days and I want to learn to use and open source desktop publisher
[06:42] <rww> akgraner: inkscape isn't really a desktop publisher
[06:42] <akgraner> and well neither scribus or inkscape are working for me (learning curve issues I am sure)
[06:43] <rww> well, I guess it is. I just use it for vectory stuff.
[06:43] <akgraner> rww - hmmm then I wonder why I keep getting told to use inkscape
[06:43] <maco> akgraner: will you be at OLF? i intend to submit a talk thats an overview of inkscape
[06:43] <akgraner> yep - I'll be there too
[06:43] <maco> it *can* be used for publishing. thats how FCM is done
[06:43] <akgraner> I submitted 3 talks to OLF hoping 1 would get picked up
[06:43] <maco> FCM had a howto on how they did it
[06:44] <rww> I've never used scribus, I should try it out some time
[06:44] <akgraner> maco, oh cool - I'll have to look for that - I'll have some samples of things I do in Pages - and maybe we can figure out how to help me understand how to do them in inckscape
[06:45] <akgraner> well if ya have time to help me that is  - I am assuming a lot aren't I :-/  sorry about that
[06:46] <akgraner> rww, I tried scribus and inkscape last last Feb - March ('09)  and  well  - it was painful and very frustrating
[06:47] <akgraner> so I just used open office for some simple stuff I was working on
[06:47] <rww> akgraner: yeah. I use inkscape for LoCo stuff, and get confused and go poke Flannel repeatedly. It is hard :(
[06:47] <maco> akgraner: remember the vine i made? that was in inkscape
[06:47] <akgraner> rww is that what was used for the CD covers
[06:48] <maco> akgraner: it took like 3 days i think
[06:48] <rww> akgraner: yeah
[06:48] <akgraner> maco, vaguely
[06:48] <maco> akgraner: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Ideas/TShirtDesigns
[06:49] <rww> I guess those CD sleeves are desktop publishing, come to think of it. So yeah, I'm crazy, it is a DTP tool :S
[06:49] <akgraner> rww, yeah after OSCON last year I revisited inkscape  because I want to modify the CD cover to use  and well as you can see I don't have a modified one sooo...
[06:50] <akgraner> maco, now I remember
[06:50] <akgraner> that is cool
[06:51] <akgraner> I would really like to learn to use those 2 applications
[06:52] <akgraner> maco, just added SELF - Maco - inkscape to my Calendar :-)  hehe
[06:52] <maco> akgraner: hehe ok. we'll do an in-person tutorial thingy and then that'll help me figure out how to explain at OLF if i get to speak there again
[06:52] <maco> though ooooh id also LOVE to show off MyPaint
[06:53] <akgraner> There should be time  - will be coming to SC on Friday?
[06:53] <maco> last OLF when she got off the stage i grabbed ebeth to tell her about how awesome mypaint is. then at the party that night i handed her my laptop and wacom to play
[06:53] <akgraner> ubucon from 1-6 on Friday and 9-noon on Sunday
[06:53] <maco> thats the plan
[06:53] <maco> but not by 1!
[06:54] <maco> i have school around noon i think
[06:54] <akgraner> no worries I will be there Thursday through Sunday
[06:54] <maco> alrighty
[06:54] <akgraner> rww, you going to make it Portland for OSCON this year?
[06:55] <akgraner> make it to
[06:55] <rww> akgraner: I haven't decided yet.
[06:55] <akgraner> dang it - sorry you have to read my mind
[06:55] <akgraner> ahh ok - I'll be there for CLS and OSCON - doing the Linux Pro/Ubuntu User booth again
[06:57] <akgraner> Gareth and I submitted a talk to OSCON - well he submitted it - I just helped with it - so we are waiting to see how that goes
[07:00] <akgraner> I think I have had entirely too much caffeine in the last 24 hours
[07:01] <akgraner> sorry y'all for babbling
[07:56] <akgraner> HaHa you mean there really is more than one Linux Distribution - http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010040300735OSCY
[08:19] <Mamarok> hm, Carla seems to change distro quite often lately, I remember a post of her about switching to PCLinuxOS
[08:19] <Mamarok> not so long ago
[08:19] <maco> probably gives 'em all a shot to see whats new so she can report on t
[08:24] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:10] <melissawm> hi folks, anyone around?
[12:33] <elky> melissawm, kinda. 'sup?
[12:37] <melissawm> hi! :) i just wanted some little help with the translation of the wiki
[12:38] <melissawm> in the "how to translate" page, the instruction is to create a translated page right away. is that what i should do? even if the translations are not 100% complete?
[12:50] <Dolasilla> Hi Melissawm! to solve issue with uncomplete translations you can copy the existing english page to the new one, so for the untraslated part you can leave the english text
[12:50] <Dolasilla> to copy the page you can use the "actions" on the top of the page. One of the available actions is to perform the copy of the page
[12:52] <melissawm> Dolasilla: great! thanks :) another small question though: in the translations project, we use pt_br as our language code. in the page that is linked in the how to translate wiki, there is no such language code, though
[12:52] <melissawm> but if i use pt (for portuguese) i'll be trampling over portuguese (from portugal) as opposed to pt_br which is portuguese from brazil
[12:54] <Dolasilla> :( sorry melissawm, I can't help on this, I thought you could simply set
[12:54] <Dolasilla> #format wiki
[12:54] <Dolasilla> #LANGUAGE it
[12:54] <Dolasilla> on top of page
[12:54] <Dolasilla> sorry:
[12:54] <Dolasilla> in place of it, pt_br
[12:55] <Dolasilla> but I don't know if it works
[12:55] <melissawm> ok. i can always do this now, and if it's wrong i can fix it later, right?
[12:55] <Dolasilla> of course! :)
[12:55] <melissawm> great :) thanks!
[12:55] <Dolasilla> your welcome! :) gotta go now, bye! :)
[12:55] <melissawm> i have to go now but thanks for your help!
[14:10] <czajkowski> .c
[14:27] <AlanBell> .py
[14:51] <jussi01> .h
[15:34] <akgraner> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/PagesNeedingTranslated  If someone is looking to translate the wiki pages - please direct them to this table 1st :-)  I'll add it to the mail wiki page as well
[17:09] <popey> maco: http://img708.yfrog.com/i/o8j.jpg/
[17:10] <popey> Doctor Who biscuits!
[17:25] <maco> popey: i made blue TARDIS biscuits once. crimsun has a photo somewhere
[17:25] <popey> :)
[20:04] <crimsun> they're on my pc; do you want me to post them?
[20:14] <akgraner> biscuits as in cookies or biscuits as in southern style breakfast ones?
[20:19] <crimsun> former-
[20:22] <maco> akgraner: "biscuits" as in "popey said it, so go with the british meaning"
[20:24] <akgraner> that is so strange to me :-/  some southern things are just en-grained  and sound so funny with any other meaning  - :-p
[20:24] <popey> biscuits over there are like muffin things arent they?
[20:25] <popey> i recall hearing KFC do chicken, biscuits and gravy? whereas in the UK it's chicken, chips, beans
[20:25] <popey> er, thats french fries :)
[20:26] <popey> gah, I'm hungry now :)
[20:29] <popey> maco: http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2010/apr/03/doctor-who-eleventh-hour - note- contains spoilers