[03:21] <Karth> would anyone know why my RX-80 dot matrix printer prints at 1 line a minute under xubuntu?
[10:31] <willdo> Hi everyone
[10:34] <moetunes> hey there willdo
[10:35] <willdo> hey, I have a very very straightforward question about xubuntu vs ubuntu
[10:36] <moetunes> shoot
[10:36] <willdo> I am running ubuntu 9.10 on a Atom330, ext4 partitions
[10:37] <willdo> I have to wait couple seconds each time I navigate in a new folder
[10:37] <willdo> and wanted to know if it would be faster if i were on xubuntu
[10:37] <willdo> or if it is hopeless, or caused by something else
[10:37] <moetunes> willdo: atom330 is the cpu right?
[10:38] <willdo> yes
[10:38] <willdo> that for saying that the computer is not super fast, Atom330 is a dual core 1.6ghz, initially used in very small laptops
[10:39] <moetunes> the kernel is prob not set up for it - just needs a source d/load and recompile - I don't know if xubuntu caters to them out of the box
[10:40] <willdo> how do I know which version of kernel would be "tuned" for this ?
[10:40] <moetunes> willdo: I should add that that is a guess
[10:41] <willdo> I thought that it was nautilus' fault, that's why I was thinking about an other file explorer
[10:42] <moetunes> willdo: give me a min and I will explore the options
[10:42] <willdo> very kind from you, thanks !
[10:43] <willdo> maybe i should have said my ubuntu is 64bit
[10:45] <moetunes> seems it works better in 32bit willdo
[10:46] <moetunes> but the diff is small - www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=atom330+64bit&btnG=Search
[10:49] <willdo> also, it may be caused by ext4 ?
[10:51] <moetunes> willdo: ext4 tests quicker in read/write than ext3 - so I would doubt it
[10:51] <moetunes> unless you have more than 4g ram 64bit is more hassle then it is worth imo
[10:54] <willdo> I have just 4, one part is used by the ION chipset, the rest is for the systme, but it is far from using it
[10:57] <moetunes> willdo: from research on #ubuntu-offtopic - if you're using the 64bit ubuntu it shouldn't play a part - google was prob wrong
[10:58] <willdo> the last phoronix test about linux kernels on 32 32PAE and 64 found great advantages of 64bit
[10:58] <willdo> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_32_pae&num=5
[10:58] <moetunes> willdo: that was why "they" came up with 64bit
[11:01] <willdo> ok ;)
[11:02] <moetunes> willdo: that slow nautilus start might be due to the graphics settings - I got an improvement from my file browser by adding backingstore to the xorg.conf cause the logs said it was disabled
[11:03] <moetunes> an improvement in all apps loading time in fact
[11:05] <willdo> I'll give it a try
[11:06] <moetunes> willdo: read   /var/log/Xorg.0.log   and see if it is appropriate first
[11:09] <willdo> i looked at the xorg.conf file and add neither "RenderAccel" "backingstore" nor "AllowGLXWithComposite" inside
[11:09] <willdo> -add +had
[11:11] <moetunes> o - what's the graphic card? - lspci will tell in terminal
[11:12] <willdo> (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
[11:12] <willdo> int he log
[11:12] <willdo> mine is NVIDIA ION
[11:14] <moetunes> willdo: you need to add   Option		"backingstore" "true"   to a xorg.conf   file in /etc/X11/
[11:15] <willdo> i did, i am suprised cause my xorg file is only 20 lines long, although it is the one loaded (as stated in the log)
[11:15] <willdo> there is for example no line about keyboard mouse nor monitors
[11:17] <moetunes> willdo: it is mostly automated now - except for what is in the xorg.conf file afaik
[11:17] <moetunes> the log will say something about using hal
[11:18] <willdo> yes it does
[11:19] <moetunes> willdo: you can make a full xorg.conf and edit it to your liking with   Xorg -configure   in terminal - then   mv -v  ./xorg.conf /etc/X11/
[11:22] <willdo> so,
[11:22] <willdo> I typed alt+k+print screen
[11:23] <willdo> is that enough or do i need to reboot ?
[11:23] <moetunes> willdo: logout - hit ctrl+alt+backspace   and login
[11:24] <moetunes> restarts X
[11:24] <moetunes> there's gdm to restart
[11:24] <willdo> yeah, that what alt + k + printscreen is doing, (from 9.10)
[11:25] <moetunes> I know nothing of that - I'm old school :)
[11:25] <moetunes> willdo: did you notice X restart?
[11:26] <willdo> yes
[11:26] <willdo> i'll check logs to see if it changed something
[11:26] <moetunes> willdo: check the log then mate :)
[11:26] <moetunes> hehe
[11:27] <willdo> did it, it's ok
[11:27] <moetunes> nautilus is better?
[11:27] <willdo> can't say
[11:27] <moetunes> that was the point after all...
[11:27] <willdo> if there is a differents, it's very small
[11:28] <willdo> but i also installed xunbuntu desktop so i'll check on xfce
[11:28] <willdo> be right back
[11:28] <willdo> many thanks for your time
[11:28] <moetunes> I'm on a 2.8ghz cpu here and thunar tahes 3-5 secs to open a dir first time
[11:29] <moetunes> *takes
[11:29] <willdo> thunar ?
[11:29] <moetunes> nautilus for xubuntu
[11:29] <moetunes> !thunar
[11:29] <willdo> 3-5 sec !
[11:30] <willdo> how can you bear that
[11:30] <willdo> ^
[11:30] <moetunes> I have lots of files :)
[11:30] <willdo> ^^
[11:30] <moetunes> that's first time - once they're cached it is almost instantaneouslt
[11:31] <moetunes> *y
[11:31] <willdo> I am not tied to nautilus, so if xfce is better, why not :)
[11:31] <moetunes> I spelt that wrong...
[11:31] <willdo> by first time you mean after login, or in a row ?
[11:31] <moetunes> I have thunar on all my desktop comps
[11:32] <moetunes> after opening once
[11:32] <moetunes> again - many files in my folders - most need thumbnails
[11:36] <willdo> wow
[11:36] <willdo> i am on xfce right now
[11:36] <moetunes> quicker?
[11:36] <willdo> better tell me what's so good about nautilus or i am sticking here
[11:36] <willdo> :)
[11:37] <willdo> its so fast,
[11:37] <moetunes> hehe
[11:37] <lifeofguenter> hi all
[11:37] <willdo> feels like windows XP :)
[11:37] <willdo> hi
[11:37] <moetunes> gnome is getting bloated imo - xfce is sooo much quicker
[11:39] <lifeofguenter> any roadmap / plan on 10.4?
[11:40] <willdo> wow, backspace works to go to previous dir !
[11:40] <moetunes> lifeofguenter: you could ask in #ubuntu+1 or follow
[11:40] <moetunes> !lucid
[11:41] <willdo> wow, alt + up go to parent dir
[11:41] <lifeofguenter> thanks moetunes
[11:43] <moetunes> :)
[11:56] <willdo> thanks so much moetunes for your help and your time
[11:56] <moetunes> willdo: glad to help :)
[11:57] <willdo> I was really really considering installing XP instead, just because of this slow explorer
[11:57] <willdo> it was close ^
[11:57] <willdo> ^^
[11:57] <moetunes> no explorer in linux pls
[11:57] <moetunes> hehe
[11:57] <willdo> what instead ?
[11:57] <moetunes> file browser
[11:57] <moetunes> maybe
[11:57] <willdo> fair enough
[11:57] <moetunes> k :)
[12:00] <moetunes> luck willdo
[15:21] <py> hello
[15:23] <py> I just installed karmic on an older pc, which is fitted with a GeForce 2 MX 400. With the driver "nv", I cannot get higher than 800x600/60, and with the "nvidia" driver, it is even worse, at 640x480
[15:24] <py> This pc was previously running a (very) outdated gentoo, and it was running at 1280x1024/85Hz flawlessly. How can I get that resolution back?
[15:25] <psycho_oreos> isn't there a nvidia x server config tool you can use?
[15:26] <py> when I enable the "nvidia" driver, there is this nvidia-settings control panel which I can use, but it doesn't offer me any chance to get higher than 640x480
[15:27] <psycho_oreos> hmm the only other way I can think of is to manually add the lines in yourself into xorg.conf file
[15:32] <rofl__> which command would you use to chmod all files 660 but all directories 770 ?
[15:32] <rofl__> need to write a perl script for that ? :)
[15:33] <py> chmod 770 `find ./ -type d`; chmod 660 `find ./ -type f`
[15:34] <rofl__> cool, is that recursive ?
[15:34] <rofl__> meaning applied to subfolders as well
[15:34] <py> yeah, just look at the output of find ./ -type d and find ./ -type f: it wiil be what the chmod will be applied to
[15:35] <py> (you can do so before running the actual chmod, so you can make sure it is what you want)
[15:35] <rofl__> thanks, very handy
[15:35] <rofl__> i need that often
[15:36] <py> regarding my X resolution problem, I happened to still have the config from the previous old install (which was still called XF86Config... vintage stuff ;-)). I replaced the broken xorg.conf by this version, and it actually works...
[15:37] <psycho_oreos> in other words you fixed it? :)
[15:37] <py> psycho_oreos: yeah, seems so
[15:44] <hal_9000> you know, i noticed that there aren't as many problems posted here for xubuntu compared to ubuntu. maybe because of better performance or less people using it.
[15:44] <charlie-tca> less users
[15:44] <hal_9000> ah
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has millions, we have thousands
[15:46] <hal_9000> yes, "its all very clear to me know"....oops! was that HAL talking? LOL
[19:53] <jyraia> hello
[19:53] <jyraia> need some help, how to install Xubuntu?
[19:53] <jyraia> oops
[19:54] <jyraia> Reconstructor on Xubuntu
[19:54] <TheSheep> a what?
[19:55] <jyraia> TheSheep,  did you know?
[22:34] <dna42> hi! could you please explain how much impact different themes and fonts have on a xubuntu installation on a netbook?
[22:40] <dna42> i mean, performance-wise?
[23:43] <dna42> nobody?