[00:04] <crimsun> I've got 4, and I struggle a lot during these parallel rebuilds
[00:04] <BUGa_vacations> can't find the xkcd about time travel to learn how to code classes :(
[00:07] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: That's not getting written until next week
[00:08] <chocamo> I installed the current daily server and when I am trying to login im getting "login incorret" . I've tried installing twice now and am 100% sure of the password +username
[00:09] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: I saw it already... a few weeks ago
[00:10] <raystlin35> can someone tell me where plymouth-set-default-theme went in lucid?
[00:11] <yofel> wasn't that replaced by the 'default.plymouth' alternative?
[00:12] <raystlin35> ok... then i might need to log a bug... i get the appropriate them on shutdown, but on startup, just get a black screen
[00:12] <raystlin35> s/them/theme
[00:15] <raystlin35> or can someone tell me how to fix it?
[00:18] <BadHorsie> raystlin35: did you already check update-alternatives --config default.plymouth ?
[00:20] <raystlin35> not yet.  do i need to update-initramfs afterwards as well?
[00:23] <raystlin35> BadHorsie: let me see if it fixed it... brb
[00:30] <BadHorsie> I have a question, when I'm in grub I do the vbetest and it says 640x480, then it asks me to hit a key and the screen goes nuts, I'm able to use a 1280x1024 background tga picture btw, I'm using grub-pc (1.98)
[00:30] <raystlin36> BadHorsie: thanks for the tip... after an update-initramfs, it works the way it was meant to
[00:34] <BUGa_vacations> penguin42: FYI http://abstrusegoose.com/249
[00:35] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: Oh yeh I remember that :-)
[00:35] <BUGa_vacations> I knew I saw it
[00:35] <BUGa_vacations> just got stock in xkcd
[00:36] <BadHorsie> And I do notice it blinks a lot at the start, startupmanager is set to 1280x1024 on the both the bootloadermenu resolution and display resolution on the boot options. GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024 on /etc/default/grub. There's a set gfxmode=1280x1024 on /boot/grub/grub.cfg and a vga=795 on the linux menuentry, any ideas?
[00:37] <DanaG> rawr: http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/rawr.jpg
[00:37] <DanaG> =þ
[00:38] <BadHorsie> That's one scary puppy
[00:39] <DanaG> heh, the darker one is the puppy; the other is older.  And was saying "go away", essentially.
[00:39] <ZykoticK9> BadHorsie, i certainly could be wrong, but i don't believe vga= lines are compatible with the Lucid kernel, something to look into anyways
[00:39] <DanaG> That's an awesome picture my mom got.  anyway, enough off-topic.
[00:40] <BadHorsie> ZykoticK9: I'll remove it, won't hurt to reboot
[00:41] <BadHorsie> Wow reboot is so damn fast now
[00:43] <BadHorsie> Well it still blinks a lot without the vga which is previous to loading the menu anyway
[00:43] <BadHorsie> Still, how the hell does vbetest work?
[00:44] <penguin42> BadHorsie: It uses the VESA bios extensions to change modes and read info about the modes I think
[00:45] <yofel> hm, then that might be a bug after all, last time I messed with plymouth I did run vbetest once and got pixel garbage instead of plymouth
[00:45] <yofel> (nvidia)
[00:45] <BadHorsie> That's what I'm getting now
[00:45] <BadHorsie> But I have nvidia drivers which is the main thing forme
[00:45] <yofel> well, same setup then
[00:46] <BadHorsie> Without vga= I get a giant "ubuntu" logo instead of pixel garbage
[00:46] <blue102> hi guys
[00:46] <BadHorsie> I'm gonna try hwinfo --framebuffer next
[00:47] <yofel> hm, I didn't try vga= since it stopped working in karmic, maybe I should try to get myself framebuffers again
[00:47] <yofel> they changed it into gfxpayload or similiar for grub I think
[00:47] <BadHorsie> That might be what I'm looking for
[00:49] <AbuMaia> has the new logo font been made available yet?
[00:50] <arand> AbuMaia: I'm not sure if it's even fully complete with the remaining letter yet...
[00:50] <ZykoticK9> AbuMaia, a couple of days ago a post on planet.ubuntu refering to the Kubuntu plymouth screen mentioned that the K wasn't even ready yet (or something along those lines)
[00:51] <AbuMaia> wow.  Ok, thanks ^_^
[00:51] <arand> But they've got the K now I think.
[00:51] <wgrant> ZykoticK9: The k has been ready for a couple of days, and the Plymouth theme is done.
[00:52] <BadHorsie> I had kubuntu's plymouth by mistake some hours ago and it didn't look that bad
[00:52] <ZykoticK9> arand, wgrant i knew the kubuntu plymouth was finished - but didn't that article mention the k somehow?
[00:52] <wgrant> ZykoticK9: It did. The k was finished soon afterwards.
[00:53] <yofel> the kubuntu plymouth theme looks great on nouveau, but horrible on nvidia (KMS I know)
[00:53] <OnlyRevolutions> well hello there everyone.
[00:53] <AbuMaia> btw, I hope there's going to be some sort of tutorial for upgrading.  I got started with 9.10, so I haven't done a full upgrade like this yet.
[00:54] <OnlyRevolutions> I would love to use KDE but I can't support an environment that sticks a random K in front of every application's name.
[00:55] <AbuMaia> how can a single letter be random? ^_^
[00:55] <yofel> BadHorsie: I found bug 428519
[00:55] <BadHorsie> Argh, still pixel garbage
[00:55] <James147> OnlyRevolutions: its doing that less now,,
[00:55] <BadHorsie> Let's see
[00:56] <OnlyRevolutions> I meant superfluous, sorry.
[00:56] <yofel> BadHorsie: I'll try the forum post mentioned in the last comment now
[00:57] <OnlyRevolutions> So what does everyone think of the whole close button change?
[00:57] <OnlyRevolutions> Is the left side the best side?
[00:57] <penguin42> OnlyRevolutions: Well, I've put it back
[00:57] <OnlyRevolutions> I'm a lame dork with a Macbook so I won't even notice actually.
[00:58] <yofel> BadHorsie: I get the feeling though that debian uses a slightly different grub2 than we do...
[00:58] <OnlyRevolutions> I'm relieved that they mirrored the buttons, if they hadn't done that it would have broken everyone's muscle memory.
[00:58] <OnlyRevolutions> as it stands hitting the left or right corner doesn't change a whole heck of a lot but it's been funny watching people lose their minds over it.
[00:59]  * wgrant really didn't find it too bad after the first day.
[00:59] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: Change for the sake of change, is going to  slightly impair usability for a majority, overall negative, but wahetver, ayatana does their thing...
[00:59] <wgrant> I had many more problems when they switched the order but hadn't yet switched the side.
[00:59] <BadHorsie> yofel: Indeed, btw I managed to make the pixel garbage not go away and lock the pc :)
[00:59] <penguin42> yofel: I think Grub2 is very modular
[00:59] <OnlyRevolutions> Yeah wgrant that's what was a strange idea.
[00:59] <wgrant> OnlyRevolutions: It was an intermediate step.
[01:00] <yofel> penguin42: seems so
[01:00] <OnlyRevolutions> well that makes sense :)
[01:00] <OnlyRevolutions> Are there any fixes to the notifications in the latest builds?
[01:00] <OnlyRevolutions> I've only checked them out first hand.
[01:00] <wgrant> OnlyRevolutions: What was broken?
[01:00] <OnlyRevolutions> ... I mean second hand.
[01:00] <BadHorsie> I have the feeling I'm pee'ing in the wrong direction since the blinking is even BEFORE getting to the grub2 menu
[01:01] <OnlyRevolutions> Well... the whole solution of having tier 1 and tier 2 notifications instead of just stacking is just silly to me. It's not broken per se just really ugly and I feel it's a dumb solution.
[01:01] <wgrant> OnlyRevolutions: Oh yes, that's still around.
[01:02] <wgrant> But wasn't it the same in Karmic?
[01:02] <wgrant> I've been using Lucid since well before Alpha 1, so I don't quite remember.
[01:02] <wgrant> I've been tempted to patch it away.
[01:02] <OnlyRevolutions> Yep it's always been this way, it was actually even worse before they added the two tiers since they would just cancel out notifications before you could read them.
[01:03] <wgrant> While Canonical DX is doing some wonderful things (like indicators), they are also doing some really sucky things (like the notify-osd changes; Jaunty's was good, where the notifications stacked up. and like the lack of tooltips on indicators).
[01:03] <OnlyRevolutions> "Got a notification while changing your volume? Sorry you didn't get to read it!"
[01:04] <penguin42> yofel: If I remember correctly the Grub2 grub-pc module handles vga= where as the plain grub2 module doesn't
[01:04] <OnlyRevolutions> Also being able to click to interact with notifications in some way would improve their usefulness a lot in my opinion. For example if I get a notification saying "File X has been downloaded" doesn't it make sense that clicking on it should open File X?
[01:05] <OnlyRevolutions> The lack of tooltips is a strange idea I'm not even sure what I think of it yet. I can understand them aiming for simplicity but if it's at the sake of usability for people new to Ubuntu or Linux in general I can't see it as a good thing.
[01:06] <penguin42> when did tooltips go?
[01:06] <arand> The new indicator applet doesn't have them to begin with I think...
[01:06] <yofel> hm, just found bug 545103
[01:07] <yofel> why the hell doesn't etc/default/grub mention that option???
[01:07] <OnlyRevolutions> bug 1
[01:07] <yofel> bug 1
[01:08] <yofel> that's a short timeout...
[01:08] <OnlyRevolutions> ubot is in a hurry I guess.
[01:08] <BadHorsie> Right
[01:09] <OnlyRevolutions> I'm waiting to see how long it takes someone to put Linux on an iPad.
[01:10] <penguin42> OnlyRevolutions: I suspect it won't happen - it's very closed hardware
[01:11] <OnlyRevolutions> Yeah but I can imagine.
[01:12] <OnlyRevolutions> Although it might end up inadvertently helping to kill off flash.
[01:12] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please
[01:13] <OnlyRevolutions> Oh yeah topics forgot about those.
[01:13] <OnlyRevolutions> I just be typin'
[01:13] <BadHorsie> What topic?
[01:13] <OnlyRevolutions> The topic is UBUNTU
[01:13] <bazhang> try /topic
[01:13] <OnlyRevolutions> +1
[01:14] <OnlyRevolutions> So what does everyone think of the aesthetics of Lucid Lynx?
[01:15] <demism> so easy a retard can use it?
[01:15] <OnlyRevolutions> Well I seem to be doing okay so you might be on to something demism.
[01:16] <OnlyRevolutions> But I'm used to OSX anyway so it's not a hard transition.
[01:16] <demism> purple not my favorite color, but all things aside, i found myself going to the top right a lot and not finding an x there.
[01:17] <OnlyRevolutions> This is why I demand window controls on both corners and also in the center.
[01:17] <OnlyRevolutions> How about the bottom of a window too? I mean why not!
[01:17] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: People seem to like them, in that sence a huge succes, I quite dilike them, but ubuntu to me ubutntu never has had sane defaults anyways...
[01:17] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: The new themes, I mean, by the way.
[01:18] <OnlyRevolutions> Yeah I think they're okay but honestly I LOVE the colour brown.
[01:18] <OnlyRevolutions> I've been missing it for a while.
[01:18] <OnlyRevolutions> Even though I'm well aware I am the only person in the world who actually enjoys a mostly brown theme.
[01:19] <gbear14275> anyone else having usb mouse problems?
[01:19] <demism> switched over to kubuntu-desktop and well... kde loves microsoft apparently
[01:20] <arand> demism: copies, not loves. Subtle diff ;)
[01:21] <yofel> ok, setting GFX_PAYLOAD_LINUX=1600x1200x32 gives me a correct framebuffer resolution an even nice plymouth with nvidia but now X doesn't start anymore
[01:21] <OnlyRevolutions> GNOME pretty much copies OSX as well though if we're going to be fair. :P
[01:21] <yofel> or maybe just my update just now messed something up
[01:21] <yofel> *GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX
[01:21] <bjsnider> yofel, how ironic
[01:22] <yofel> well, I have a nice working tty now, let's see what's broken
[01:22] <bjsnider> you can have a pretty 5 second boot, but a vt afterwards, or a black screen on boot and pretty x afterwards
[01:22] <yofel> XD
[01:22] <BadHorsie> How did you get it working yofel ?
[01:23] <BadHorsie> :P
[01:23] <yofel> BadHorsie: just add GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=<res> in /etc/default/grub, the support for that option is there, but not the documentation
[01:24] <blue102> how can i make vlc the default movie and streaming player in firefox
[01:24] <BadHorsie> Along with GFXMODE=<res> ?
[01:24] <yofel> "xf860OpenConsole: VT_WAITACTIVE failed: Interrupted system call" ...
[01:24] <demism> OnlyRevolutions: thats my problem with the purple. OSX purple... what happened to Ubuntu brown?
[01:24] <yofel> BadHorsie: yes
[01:25] <yofel> BadHorsie: actually for me it's gfxmode 1600x1200 and payload 1600x1200x32
[01:25] <claptrap> Mmk, so I'm trying to get my mic working. I can hear myself through the speakers, but nothing in Ubuntu picks up sound (tried gnome-sound-recorder and Teamspeak 3)
[01:25] <BadHorsie> yofel: Ah cool, lemme try that
[01:25] <billybigrigger> blue102, you need the firefox vlc plugin for one...
[01:25] <blue102> i have that
[01:25] <yofel> BadHorsie: you might find what I posed just now in your Xorg log after that though :P
[01:25] <billybigrigger> mozilla-plugin-vlc
[01:26] <holstein> hey claptrap
[01:26] <claptrap> holstein: 'ello.
[01:26] <holstein> if you can hear yourself
[01:26] <holstein> it should be a routing issue
[01:26] <holstein> what are you trying to record?
[01:26] <billybigrigger> blue102, and in nautlius right click on your video file and select properties, then go to the 'open with' tab, and select vlc
[01:26] <holstein> voice?
[01:26] <claptrap> holstein: Just my voice, talking, anything. The real goal is Teamspeak; I just used gnome-sound-recorder to make sure the issue wasn't isolated to TS.
[01:27] <billybigrigger> blue102, you'll have to select vlc for each video type, ie. mp4, avi, wmv, etc etc
[01:27] <yofel> err... WTF? if i run 'sudo startx' from tt1 I get a root gnome session???
[01:27] <penguin42> yofel: Yes, what would you expect?
[01:27] <billybigrigger> blue102, scratch that my friend, system/preferences/prefered applications
[01:28] <billybigrigger> blue102, multimedia tab, then select 'custom' you'll find vlc in /usr/bin/vlc
[01:28] <yofel> penguin42: last time I tried that I got a cursor in form of an X and a 16 color terminal in the top left corner
[01:28] <DoYouKnow> will lucid include drivers for the bcm4328... 802.11n broadcom chipset?
[01:28] <penguin42> yofel: Haha, if the default window manager gets you gnome and the default Xsessions etc are gnome then you'll just get a gnome desktop
[01:28] <DoYouKnow> I've had to download them separately in the bcmwl-kernel-source package
[01:28] <billybigrigger> blue102, using the prefered application method you'll have vlc play all your audio files too though
[01:29] <DoYouKnow> it would be more convenient if they were on the install cd...
[01:29] <claptrap> holstein: Is it about time to drop the PulseAudio monster or?
[01:29] <yofel> penguin42: actually I use KDE by default, but maybe is gnome is set as the default SOMEWHERE
[01:29] <yofel> hm, ambience looks rather nice actually
[01:29] <holstein> claptrap: i dont use pulse
[01:30] <holstein> i use JACK
[01:30] <holstein> and pulse disables
[01:30] <holstein> i use JACK anytime im recording
[01:30] <holstein> hmm
[01:30] <holstein> you could try something like audacity
[01:30] <holstein> im not sure what teamspeak is
[01:30] <claptrap> holstein: Well, I've stuck with Pulse so far because it plays my music without giving me issues; this is the first problem I've haf.
[01:30]  * holstein is reading something about it
[01:30] <claptrap> holstein: Teamspeak is like Ventrilo.
[01:31] <yofel> ah, kdm works fine now too
[01:31] <blue102> in firefox  under edit tab --> pref. windows media I want to put there vlc  Now how do I do that
[01:31] <yofel> seems like SAK on tty8 was what fixed it ^^
[01:31] <DanaG> Last time I tried Audacity, it failed miserably at dealing with PA.
[01:31] <yofel> let's reboot and try again
[01:32] <claptrap> Well, again, getting recording to work is not the real goal, here; I'm trying to get Teamspeak up and running.
[01:32] <claptrap> But the symptoms are the same. (=
[01:33] <holstein> claptrap: how about skype?
[01:33] <holstein> theres a test-call thing in skype that might tell you something
[01:34] <claptrap> holstein: Good point; lemme try it.
[01:34] <yofel> wow, now my boot experience with nice tty is almost perfect, I just need to figure out how to get plymouth to show before ureadahead finishes (initramfs I guess)
[01:34] <holstein> claptrap: are you running a teamspeak server?
[01:34] <holstein> let me know, and i'll try the client on my machine if you want
[01:34] <claptrap> holstein: No, connecting to one.
[01:35] <BadHorsie> I gotta try to fix a ureadahead main process terminated with status 5 problem at bootup
[01:35] <dna42> is thunar oficially bugged in lucid?
[01:36] <claptrap> holstein: Ok, well, Skype was able to get it. ._.
[01:36] <dna42> i just noticed that you cant click on anything if you navigated2 levels deep...
[01:36] <yofel> anyone an idea what 'text.plymouth' is supposed to be?
[01:36] <holstein> claptrap: i bet its a teamspeak config thing
[01:37] <dna42> (for example user/pictures/)
[01:37] <claptrap> holstein: Actually, so is gnome-sound-recorder... so I'm guessing you're right...
[01:37] <claptrap> holstein: Well, shit.
[01:37] <holstein> yup
[01:37] <holstein> now you know
[01:37] <claptrap> holstein: Well, thanks. lol.
[01:40] <yofel> rebooting sure got insanely fast... it takes almost more time for my bios to initialise all hardware than for ubuntu to boot...
[01:41] <bjsnider> this new hard drive is pretty fast:
[01:41] <bjsnider> Timing buffered disk reads:  256 MB in  3.02 seconds =  84.70 MB/sec
[01:44] <yofel> now if I could get the kubuntu plymouth background as my grub selection background this would look cool
[02:03] <BadHorsie> Argh, I couldn't get it to work above 1024x768 :S
[02:04] <yofel> BadHorsie: sure vbeinfo lists greater than that?
[02:05] <OnlyRevolutions> hey is there a way to cycle through a bunch of backgrounds randomly ever X minutes with Ubuntu?
[02:05] <yofel> my old 7300GT only upported up to 1280x1024 framebuffers, only my new 250GTS supports my full resolution 1600x1200
[02:06] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: The universe background set does that at the moment, somehow, have a look at it.
[02:06] <OnlyRevolutions> thank you arand.
[02:06] <BadHorsie> yofel: Well, vbeinfo lists at the start 640x480
[02:06] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: or "cosmos" rather.
[02:07] <BadHorsie> I have a 9800GT now
[02:07] <arand> OnlyRevolutions: /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos/
[02:07] <yofel> BadHorsie: and...? I get a rather long list of resolutions with vbeinfo
[02:07] <OnlyRevolutions> thank you very much :)
[02:07] <BadHorsie> yofel: from the grub console?
[02:07] <yofel> yes
[02:07] <BadHorsie> I'm just running vbetest without any arguments...
[02:08] <BadHorsie> Lemme reboot yet again
[02:08] <yofel> /etc/default/grub says to use vbeinfo
[02:08] <BadHorsie> Yeah that's what I'm gonna do
[02:08] <BadHorsie> Since I've only used vbetest
[02:09] <BadHorsie> Yeah it lists 1600x1200x32
[02:09] <BadHorsie> It doesn't list x24 as I was testing... S:
[02:09] <BadHorsie> Yay yet another test
[02:10] <dna42> could somebody tell me where to find the buglist for thunar in lucid?
[02:10] <BadHorsie> NEAT!
[02:11]  * BadHorsie tattooes a RTFM in his forehead
[02:12] <arand> dna42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar I would assume.
[02:12] <dna42> arand: thanks
[02:13] <BadHorsie> Thanks again yofel
[02:13] <BadHorsie> I owe you a beer.
[02:14] <yofel> he, never mind, I got myself nice framebuffers too finally so I'm happy :D
[02:21] <BadHorsie> Ah, how beautiful to see no more blinking before plymouth
[02:26] <kelopez> I have a lucidian question: if I install the beta, I can upgrade to the final version later?
[02:27] <yofel> kelopez: yes
[02:27] <kelopez> yay :D
[02:27] <yofel> !beta
[02:27] <kelopez> ok
[02:27] <kelopez> thank you ;9
[02:27] <kelopez> ;)*
[02:27] <kelopez> bai
[03:11] <agroker> after recent updates to 10.04 I lost my sound - not speaker icon on the top panel, no sound whatsoever, while video on youtube plays nicely, how to repair it?
[03:24] <mazda01> hello all. gdm and wdm wont boot me to my graphical desktop. It says I am running lucid from the tty1. I did an update-manager -d from a mythbuntu karmic install.
[03:31] <KB1JWQ> mazda01: Anything interesting int he log?
[03:44] <mazda01> which log would i look at?
[03:45] <mazda01> hang on, i did a update and then an upgrade. restarted and now im logging into the desktop. icewm i belive. it's really really slow though,
[03:46] <KB1JWQ> dmesg and /var/log/messages aer great places to start.
[03:48] <mazda01> wow, it's like a dog just trying to get from the booting window manager to a tty1
[03:52] <avis> crimsun, you around ?  the 2.6.32-19 pae alsa modules don't seem to be picking up my 8788 card
[03:56] <dooglus> hi guys.  I don't see any kind of 'network manager' in the new GNOME.  did it move?
[03:57] <dooglus> can I add it to my panel somehow?  or run it from the command line?
[03:57] <coz_> dooglus,  it should be there  It is on my lucid install here?
[03:58] <ddecator> dooglus: do you have the network monitor applet on the top panel?
[03:58] <dooglus> coz_: I thought it probably should be, but it isn't
[03:58] <dooglus> ddecator: I don't see it
[03:58] <coz_> dooglus,   its not under add to panel ?
[03:58] <dooglus> ddecator: I can 'add to panel', but I don't know which applet to add
[03:58] <coz_> dooglus,  it should be networkmanager
[03:58] <dooglus> coz_: try it: click 'add to panel' and type 'net' in the search box at the top.  do you see it?
[03:59] <coz_> dooglus,   it isnt listed there o0
[03:59] <dooglus> I see nothing when I type 'net'
[03:59] <ddecator> dooglus: the applet is "Network Monitor"
[03:59] <ddecator> or should be
[03:59] <dooglus> ddecator: right.  how do I add it?  do you see it in the 'add to panel' list?
[03:59] <coz_> no network monitor there either
[03:59] <coz_> hodl on let me test I am on the wrong machine
[03:59] <dooglus> nothing with 'net' in its name for me
[04:00] <coz_> nothing that begins with the letter "N" under there
[04:00] <ddecator> that's what i see when i try to add an applet. do you have network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed?
[04:00] <dooglus> I see 'notification area'
[04:00] <dooglus> that's the only 'n'
[04:00] <dooglus> ddecator: I do
[04:01] <coz_> dooglus,  nothing beginning with net or network listed
[04:01] <dooglus> ddecator: I have these: network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-kde network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-pptp-gnome network-manager-vpnc
[04:01] <demism> how can i install kubuntu-desktop and the get rid of gnome?
[04:02] <ddecator> dooglus: hm, you have all of the network manager packages i have installed, plus a few extra...
[04:03] <ddecator> it used to be nm-applet that was in the panel, but i don't remember what is switched to
[04:04] <ddecator> dooglus: gnome-netstatus-applet ?
[04:04] <coz_> dooglus,  go to system/prefereces/startup applications
[04:04] <coz_> dooglus,   you will see network manager there
[04:05] <dooglus> ddecator: gnome-netstatus-applet is in universe...
[04:06] <dooglus> coz_: I don't.  maybe that's the problem
[04:06] <coz_> dooglus,  oo  maybe
[04:06] <dooglus> coz_: if you go there, select it, click 'edit', what's in the fields?
[04:06] <dooglus> I see two entries 'no name', 'no description'
[04:06] <dooglus> maybe the network manager one got blanked out
[04:06] <ddecator> i don't think that's the right applet anyway
[04:07] <dooglus> when I click 'edit' on it, I see 3 blank boxes (name, command, coment)
[04:07] <coz_> dooglus,   Name - Network Manager   Command = nm-applet --sm-disable
[04:07] <ddecator> well that's not right
[04:07] <dooglus> coz_: I think it is the right one.  what's the command in yours?
[04:07] <mazda01> somehow I screwed up my desktop sessions? how do i get rid of all xfce session apps, i only want to run icewm
[04:07] <dooglus> ty.
[04:07] <coz_> no problem I forgot it was in start up apps
[04:08] <dooglus> I just added it - maybe it'll be ok when I log in next
[04:08] <coz_> dooglus,  give it a try :)
[04:08] <dooglus> I also tried running 'nm-applet --sm-disable' and it came up
[04:08] <coz_> cool then it should auto start now
[04:08] <crimsun> avis: do you have dmesg spew from -19-generic-pae's boot?
[04:08] <dooglus> it says 'networking disabled' probably because I had to hack the wireless network definition into /etc/networking/interfaces
[04:09] <crimsun> avis: pastebin < dmesg
[04:09] <dooglus> I wonder what the other missing one is.  I didn't have a window manager when I logged in - is there a 'metacity' or something in yours?  or 'window manager'?
[04:10] <avis> i'm not sure crimsun i dont see any text on boot until i see the ubuntu logo
[04:10] <mazda01> how do i set my ubuntu lucid install that was upgraded from jaunty so that it doesn't even have a darn window manager. it's only a file/mythtv server
[04:11] <avis> i've since switched back to the 32-18 kernel and all is working again
[04:11] <kjele> mazda01: you meand the gdm?
[04:13] <ddecator> dooglus: i don't have anything related to metacity in mine
[04:13] <crimsun> avis: install pastebinit, then use dmesg|pastebinit
[04:14] <mazda01> i don't need gdm, any window manager, any panels, just plain command line would be fine for me. it's on really ancient hardware and it's horrible waiting for the darn gui to come up. i don't mind working in a terminal
[04:15] <ddecator> mazda01: why didn't you install the server edition?
[04:15] <mazda01> i don;t even need X i don't think. well, maybe I do so I can forward X to my other machine where I can run myth-setup
[04:15] <kjele> mazda01: The easiest way is to remove ubuntu-desktop package
[04:16] <mazda01> kjele: that's been long gone but thanks for trying. i now have a multitude of desktops installed. LXDE, Openbox, XFCE, Icewm etc etc.
[04:17] <mazda01> ddecator: becauwse this server has been around since before I was comfortable with the cli.
[04:17] <mazda01> it's been upgraded from jaunty to karmic, now to lucid
[04:17] <kjele> mazda01: Well since ubuntu changed to upstart there are new files you need to edit. But should find them in /etc/init
[04:18] <ddecator> ah, fair enough
[04:21] <mazda01> i noticed that something about PAM came up and I think that's caussing a problem with my samba install.
[04:22] <kjele> mazda01: You can try to comment line 23 in /etc/init/gdm.conf
[04:23] <mazda01> kjele: well, i don't use gdm like I said. I use wdm I beelive. maybe i'll look a similar named file
[04:23] <kjele> mazda01: yea just comment the dm you use
[04:24] <mazda01> kjele: and what will this do? can i somehow lock down the console?
[04:25] <mazda01> i doubt anyone would break into my house and try to access my server, but when I ran icewm, i could lock the screen, but how would I do that if I am not running X?
[04:25] <kjele> mazda01: It will not start gdm with upstart. But then some other services might get disrupted
[04:26] <mazda01> thanks for everyones feedback. gotta go to bed. see ya
[04:27] <thebishop> anyone using an Asus UL30a-series laptop with Lucid?  I just ordered one
[04:28] <avis> crimsun, its working in the -19 pae kernel now, don't know why, but this time it works
[04:28] <avis> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=678025a64e883e92577ae751552308b4de0e29ec
[04:28] <toogreen> have you guys noticed the current help page in UbuntuOne? http://www.google.com/buzz/108807597209687392863/NPEg1uZGzsH/I-know-this-is-still-beta-but-considering-how-many
[04:45] <dooglus> when I upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04, is something meant to add stuff to my GNOME startup app list?
[04:46] <dooglus> there's a bluetooth manager that seems to be new, andit's not in my list
[04:46] <dooglus> for example
[04:51] <shoonya> is there any repo from where i can install nautilus-elementary for lucid ?
[04:54] <billybigrigger_> shoonyahttp://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/nautilus-elementary-simplified-nautilus.html,
[05:01] <shinjitestroch> Would any one have any idea what I can do about initramfs the I'm running on 2.6.32-18
[05:01] <SandGorgon> hi guys, is it safe to update from 9.10 to 10.04 ? Anything I should be looking out for ?
[05:02] <shinjitestroch> Update only via apt-get. If you run into a partial upgrade do not pursue.
[05:03] <SandGorgon> shinjitestroch, not through "update-manager -d" ?  or did you mean changing the sources.list and running 'apt-get update; apt-get safe-upgrade'
[05:05] <shinjitestroch> I meant not going through update manager.
[05:05] <kjele> SandGorgon: We are in a freeze now so it would be "safe" to upgrade assuming the mirror is up to date
[05:08] <SandGorgon> kjele, thanks.. but, as shinjitestroch says, is it unsafe to go through update-manager ? secondly, does one run "dist-upgrade" ?
[05:10] <shinjitestroch> I say it is unsafe to go through update manager because there is a high chance you will end up failing the upgrade restart the app then do a partial upgrade. If it asks for a partial upgrade don't do it unless you understand exaactly what packages are being removed and how it will affect your system.
[05:12] <kjele> SandGorgon: If you are on karmic then update-manager -d is much safer than apt
[05:14] <SandGorgon> ok.. will try with the sources.list method... I hope I get it right...
[05:15] <SandGorgon> i hope there is no problem mixing lucid and karmic ppas (some volunteer ppas) ?
[05:16] <kjele> SandGorgon: Should not be a problem if it is not drivers
[05:17] <kjele> SandGorgon: before you start read this http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[05:24] <ddecator> SandGorgon: idk if you started yet, but sometimes it's wise to disable the third-party PPAs during the upgrade, then re-enable them afterward (just to make sure the system upgrades fine)
[05:24] <SandGorgon> ddecator, thanks that is helpful
[05:25] <ddecator> SandGorgon: no problem. it also gives you a chance to go through and see if you don't need some PPAs anymore (maybe the ppa karmic version is the same or behind the one included in lucid)
[05:26] <ddecator> if it's for a package in the official repos
[05:27] <CyL> is there an easy way to make lucid less purple?
[05:27] <ddecator> change the background, maybe choose a different icon theme
[05:27] <kjele> CyL: change theme or wallpaper
[05:27] <Kaz> Which part? All parts? You can change the theme to one of many from http://gnome-look.org/
[05:28] <Kaz> GTK 2.x is what you'd be looking for. I'd recommend http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Equinox+GTK+Engine?content=121881
[05:29]  * ddecator loves the homosapien metacity and clear looks theme =)
[05:29] <CyL> In fact I'm using kubuntu... I guess this is the wrong channel than... sorry folks
[05:29] <ddecator> oh, idk what themes are on kubuntu...
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> just 3 kde themes by default  (well netbook has 3 to use) then you can customuze by picking other theme parts.
[05:30] <CyL> is there a channel analogous to this but for kubuntu?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> CyL:  not really
[05:30] <ddecator> kubuntu+1?
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> proberly not muhc chatter in there. theres not a lot in here really :)
[05:31] <ddecator> usually not many people in the kubuntu channels from what i've heard
[05:31] <Kaz> Oh my, I didn't realize you where using kubuntu. In that case http://kde-look.org/
[05:31] <CyL> I also gave it a try because I thought the look an feel would be much different, but they are very similar in fact
[05:31] <CyL> ddecator: there isn't such channel, it is forwarding here
[05:31] <ddecator> haha, oh really? i suppose it's easier that way
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Im just reading up on the latest PC news and  Stuff :) Anyone know if Linux on an ARM based device will be able to run wine?
[05:32] <Kaz> If I remember correctly they changed how the login screen and splash screen work so there a lot harder to change
[05:32] <ddecator> Kaz: yah, it involves getting into the config files
[05:33] <ddecator> i hope they make it easier to theme, i'd prefer to get rid of the purple plymouth and gdm without having to hack the system
[05:33] <CyL> If they are so similar, why there are different flavours?
[05:33] <ddecator> personal preferences, some work better on different systems
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> Gnome similer to KDE?  or did i miss somehting here?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> or are we refering to KDM and GDM ?
[05:34] <Kaz> I think KDE came from possible legal issues with gnome? I don't really know
[05:34] <CyL> Dr_Willis: in ubuntu/kubuntu 10.04 the look and feel is very similar
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> CyL:  i found them radically different.
[05:34] <ddecator> default programs are extremely different
[05:34] <CyL> Dr_Willis: really?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> KDE 4.4 vs Gnome = Radically different yes.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Unless you use the 'they both have a panel and a start button' as a 'way they are very similer' other then that..  its all very diffrent
[05:35] <Kaz> Cyl if you have hard drive space to kill you may want to try installing virtualbox and creating an ubuntu 10.04 VM to check it out
[05:35] <ddecator> use testdrive =)
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> of course with that logic.. most all desktop/os/windowmanagers re very similer. :)
[05:37] <CyL> Kaz: I'm using it in virtualbox... I'll give that a try, thanks for the advice...
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> hers a screenshot of my KDE desktop
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> http://drop.io/cpwt62e#
[05:39] <ddecator> i made my own background =)
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> heh - theres 5 people looking at my screenshot
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> drop.io has a chat feature at the bottom
[05:40] <kjele> Dr_Willis: The preview is too small
[05:40] <ddecator> actually, i have lens flare i need to remove, lets try this gimp resynthesize feature...
[05:40] <arand> Dr_Willis: Nice, plain and simple, I like.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> arand:  plain in the theme/colors/look - but not in whats going on
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> I like the view log files in a widgit feature
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> the wallpapers randomly change also. :) i got a set of about a dozen colors
[05:42] <Kaz> What do you use to make your wallpaper change? I use drapes at the moment but it loves to crash
[05:42] <kjele> I use xmonad so there is always someting occupying the screen
[05:43] <ddecator> off topic i know, but here's mine =) http://imgur.com/5THtm.jpg
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> kde has the feature built in
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> actually gnome does now also if you set it up right
[05:44] <Kaz> Oh really? The only way I saw involved an xml file
[05:45] <arand> Kaz: /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos/background-1.xml does that on both karmic and lucid.
[05:47] <Kaz> I saw a guide on that but I have something along the lines of 300 images and really didn't want to make that many changes to the file. Drapes allows me to monitor a folder
[05:48] <ddecator> hm resynthesizer didn't work as good as i hoped...
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Kaz:  that is how you set it up right. :)
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> theres also a wallpaper changer program called 'wally' i recall.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> but i dont need that big of a tool
[05:51] <nhasian> where is gnome-shell 2.30?  i only see 2.28.1 in the lucid repos
[05:52] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntu-manual.org/?audiobook
[05:53] <arand> nhasian: isn't even released yet: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/
[05:53] <nhasian> arand, thanks i thought gnome-shell 2.30 was part of gnome 2.30.  guess its coming later....
[05:54] <arand> nhasian: part of gnome 3.0 rather.
[05:54] <navetz> hey guys I upgraded to lucid trying to fix my touchpad so I could enable two finger horizontal scrolling
[05:55] <nhasian> arand, gnome's press release said that Gnome 2.30 included a preview release of gnome-shell.  i figured it would be 2.30 :)
[05:55] <navetz> the new system settings seem to work for enabling and disabling horizontal scrolling but nothing happens for two finger scrollling
[05:55] <ddecator> navetz: are you sure your touchpad supports multitouch?
[05:55] <navetz> ddecator: almost certain
[05:56] <navetz> ddecator: there was a sticker on it when I got it showing off the multitouch features. I never booted windows so I couldn't test it but a friend has the same one and it works for him.
[05:57] <ddecator> navetz: ok. i know there is a way to do it, but i can't remember how. i don't think there are any official packages in the repos that offer multi-touch support, but i may be wrong
[05:57] <ddecator> navetz: er, any packages in the repos that enable mutlitouch rather
[05:57] <ddecator> multitouch*
[05:57] <navetz> ddecator: ah okay, well i don't mind editing some configs I just don't know how :)
[05:58] <navetz> ddecator: i mean i don't know which ones! lol
[05:59] <navetz> ddecator: oh also I am using KDE, I think that makes a difference ;(
[06:00] <ddecator> navetz: well i could offer google results, but idk for sure if they will work, so i don't want to encourage you to try something that may or may not cause your touchpad to stop working properly
[06:01] <navetz> ddecator: there are settings on this page that seem to work for others: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireTimeline/Fixes#Brighness%20Control%20%28fn+Arrow%29
[06:01] <navetz> I just doon't know where to put the file :(
[06:02] <ddecator> ...for fixing brightness control?
[06:02] <navetz> ddecator: uhh sorry if you scroll up there is some touchpad stuff
[06:02] <ddecator> oh, haha
[06:03] <navetz> ddecator: ohhh i found the RC file with the settings! now just to find out what calls this rc file lol
[06:05] <Kaz> Navetz have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1165087&page=71 by chance? It looks like it may do what your after (granted its for a different model of laptop)
[06:06] <navetz> Kaz: ah I have not seen this, I'll try it
[06:06] <navetz> Kaz: thanks again
[06:10] <navetz> Kaz: hey it worked again!!!!! fuck you're good thank you
[06:11] <Kaz> Hurray!
[06:14] <ddecator> i wish my touchpad had multitouch support =(
[06:15] <navetz> ddecator: one day, one day.
[06:16] <navetz> i don't think this can use the circle scrolling yet
[06:16] <navetz> but maybe it'll be ready by the time lucid comes out
[06:17] <ddecator> you can enable circular scrolling with gsynaptics
[06:19] <hanasaki> trying to get dovecot ssl working hwoever the certs that come with the install result in "unknown ca' in log files.   how can I get a good self signed cert to work?
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> I never can rember how the multitouch stuff works.. so i alwyas end up accidently doing it when i dont want to. :)
[06:21] <navetz> ddecator: i am using kde I don't think gsynaptic works
[06:21] <ddecator> navetz: oh, right...
[06:21] <Aidar-Nagato> hi) i've got alps touchpad, but ubuntu thinks that it's ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse. what should i do?
[06:29] <Kaz> Aidar-Nagato looks like that might be a problem in the kernel. You may find this bug report relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/527890
[06:57] <mikehh> with recent updates to beta 1 - could not connect via wireless internet - it worked before the update - it will not connect now (works on other versions as you can see)
[06:59] <mikehh> re-installed - updated - rebooted - could not connect
[07:02] <Kaz> What wireless card do you have?
[07:03] <mikehh> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
[07:05] <Mikerhinos> hi
[07:05] <mikehh> it's working fine on Karmic and works ok on beta1 - just fails after the updates on Friday
[07:06] <mikehh> maybe I should redo again
[07:07] <Kaz> Do you get any errors when you try to connect to a network?
[07:09] <Mikerhinos> the 29th , if i want to do a Lucid fresh install on my beta without loosing all my installed apps , i just have to do a "/home" partition , copy all the "personal folder" in it then install final Lucid ?
[07:10] <mikehh> it just keeps trying to connect, does not
[07:10] <Kaz> You will still lose all your apps but at least you will keep most settings if you copy your home folder to a home parittion
[07:14] <mikehh> I have a /home partition with all versions using the same partition eg /home/mha is 9.10 amd64 with / on separate partition etc
[07:14] <Kaz> Mikehh: I can't really find anything useful :(
[07:14] <mikehh> Kaz: neither could I - just thought someone here might have some tuits
[07:15] <Mikerhinos> ok thanks , because i don't know why but i have some kde files sometimes when i update , and i fear that if i try to delete one , synaptic will select many dependencies that will destroy my ubuntu if removed
[07:15] <Kaz> I know after I had a horrific experience with wireless cards in ubuntu I bought a 100 ft cable and a switch so I can't offer much help
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> latest laptop i installed ubuntu on... wireless worked..  i was amazafied.. :)
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> new life in a low end laptop.
[07:20] <mikehh> I tried to use a homeplug qa couple of weeks ago, couldn't get it to work and managed to kill my wireless card
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> homeplug? that oneof those network over the powerlines things?
[07:21] <mikehh> yup
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> every review ive ever read of such devices.. scream... 'do not want..' :)
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Im in an old old house. with knob-tube wireing in some places.. so not a good fit for me .
[07:23] <mikehh> was trying to set up kvm or virtual-box which I can't get to work with wireless
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> You were trying to get vbirtualbox to use wirless drivers for the Hostmachines hardware?
[07:24] <mikehh> yes - my router is on the other side of the house
[07:26] <benkay86> Lucid server -- init won't run on headless machine with serial console! Any ideas?
[07:26] <Kaz> KVM and Vbox don't actually know what you have for real hardware. Long as your host environment has an active Internet connection your VMs should to
[07:26] <Kaz> benkay are there any errors?
[07:27] <benkay86> Kaz: With install from beta 1 no, with install daily-live something about broken pipes.
[07:27] <benkay86> Kaz: Last line of serial console output is:
[07:27] <benkay86> Kaz: filesystem-label: clean, 47914/15209424 files, 1164868/60719104 blocks
[07:28] <benkay86> Kaz: Which I assume means things are going fine until init/upstart is supposed to take over the boot process.
[07:28] <benkay86> Followed these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[07:28] <mikehh> Kaz: dunno, I have never been able to get it to work - I do a lot of testing and wanted to set up different environments without having to re-boot
[07:30] <Kaz> Benkay86K Can't really help you there, this is over my head
[07:31] <benkay86> :-(
[07:32] <mikehh> anyway - going to re-install, and update slowly and see if I can find the point of failure
[07:32] <Kaz> That is odd mikehh. In all of my VMs (I use both vbox and kvm) There network has almost always worked out of the box
[07:32] <Kaz> Good luck!
[07:33] <mikehh> Kaz: I think I need to setup a specific IP address - but have not had enough time to experiment
[07:33] <Mikerhinos> benkay86,  i had problems with init too on latest lucid desktop live cd for a friends pc yesterday , can't even boot it to gnome , so i installed karmic , maybe it's bugged
[07:34] <benkay86> Mikerhinos: That's what I thought, so I went back and reinstalled from the beta 1. Same problem.
[07:34] <benkay86> Boot hangs after declaring my filesystems clean.
[07:35] <benkay86> Tried disabling plymouth, but to no avail.
[07:36] <Mikerhinos> on desktop version it loads sources.list , some drivers , then i get 3 lines of status 4 errors , and the system freezes (the cd boots fine on another system)
[07:36] <benkay86> Honestly, some sort of error message would be nice at this point.
[07:37] <benkay86> It's possible the output just isn't going to the serial console anymore, but then I would expect the HD LED to flash a bit more.
[07:39] <Mikerhinos> i think it detects the sempron of my friend as a pIII , maybe there's a problem with that ? I'm not an ubuntu/linux guru so i can't really help :s
[07:41] <benkay86> Bah, it's too late for complicated problems. I'll try again in the morning.
[07:41] <Mikerhinos> it's 8h40AM here in France :)
[07:42] <Mikerhinos> it's a bit too early for complicated problems , cafeine isn't arrived at destination yet , lol
[07:43] <mikehh> hey it's an hour earlier for me here in Aberdeen, Scotland
[07:44] <mikehh> anyway, going to try some stuff - bbl
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> Testing out Jolicloud disrto on my netbook. :)  gotta love UNR variants..
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what will happen to the UNR stuff when the next gnome with gnomeshell gets here.
[08:08] <blue102> when is the final release
[08:09] <Kaz> Don't think its been set yet
[08:09] <blue102> ah i see
[08:09] <Kaz> I lied
[08:09] <Kaz> The final stable version will be released on April 29, 2010.
[08:09] <Kaz> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[08:09] <blue102> it runs well so far
[08:09] <blue102> ah goodie
[08:10] <Mikerhinos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[08:10] <blue102> thanks
[08:11] <Mikerhinos> yes it runs great , even on alpha2 i hadn't had much problems , except when they switched to nouveau's driver
[08:12] <blue102> I just had to figure a few things out and got instant help here
[08:13] <Kaz> Really? I seem to be fixing problem after problem
[08:14] <blue102> I just started a few weeks ago on linux I have tried a few versions but landed with ubuntu server and xubuntu
[08:14] <Mikerhinos> on that pc i had a very few problems really , i don't even have to recompile my nvidia driver when there is a kernel update
[08:14] <Moc> gbrainy memory test is freaking hard !!
[08:15] <blue102> i'm running it on a p3 compaq armada e 500 laptop
[08:15] <Moc> wish there were a easier level lol
[08:15] <Moc> LiraNuna: ouch
[08:15] <Moc> blue102:
[08:15] <LiraNuna> ?
[08:15] <Moc> LiraNuna: I meanth blue102
[08:15] <LiraNuna> ah, np
[08:16] <blue102> I just installed it works fine out of box
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> Well - updated/upgraded and gnome seems to be working now.  guess all the issues from last week have been beaten to death.
[08:16] <Moc> in the ubuntu software center, when downloading an application, trying to click install in any other app rarelly work
[08:17] <blue102> what's your pc like moc
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> ive had it work Moc . but last i tried you had to doit from the details tab.. which was weird
[08:17] <Mikerhinos> same for me , i have to do it from details tab
[08:17] <Nullbeat> Moc: I noticed that as well. I got around it by clicking more info, then clicking install now to que it.
[08:17] <Moc> blue102: Dell Latitude E6400
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Yea. i still have to select the 2nd thing to install.  'More Info -> install' to que up the install requests
[08:18] <Moc> blue102: core 2 duo P9700 2.8ghz with 8gig of ram, 128gig SSD HD
[08:18] <Moc> will try that next time
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> The Install button on the main page. goes grey..  but  more info -> install works
[08:19] <Mikerhinos> oh , direct install works for me now , don't know when they fixed it up
[08:19] <Moc> I just installed it so..
[08:20] <Moc> what the reason to have the min/max/close action at the left side of the app bar rather than right ?
[08:21] <blue102> it sounds a bit like the wifes toshiba  moc
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Moc:  supposubly theres going to be some special stuff in the place on the left....
[08:21] <Nullbeat> It's like mac feeling, but not the same button order... :/
[08:21] <blue102> she does not like xubuntu
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. cant install gnome-shell right now..
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:21] <Dr_Willis>   gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[08:21] <Moc> well 10.04 feel mac alittle... especially with the default background
[08:22] <Moc> I feel like in StarTrek 2009 edition...
[08:22] <Mikerhinos> Moc,  i'm personally used to it now , and i find it better , i don't have to get the cursor all over my 32" screen to close a windows , it's just up the menus , and yes i think they plan to put some other buttons on the right
[08:22] <Moc> ttp://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-crew-and-lens-flares.jpg
[08:23] <Moc> Mikerhinos: well my cursor is always on the right, and I use it on my 46" screen ;)
[08:23] <Nullbeat> Bear with me here guys, I'm on my phone right now... I'm running a macbook pro 3,1 and everytime I open lid from hibernate, kernel defecates on itself.
[08:23] <Moc> but I guess I could change it... but I'll get used to it
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> They could do somthing like the gnome-unr does and put the window title and close button in the middle of the top panel
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> thats doable with panel applets
[08:24] <Moc> gwibber-service running at 100% again !!!
[08:24] <Moc> gota remove that crap
[08:24] <Kaz> Nullbeat: Is there any output?
[08:25] <Moc> anyone notice the default yahoo search doesn't get the cursor ready in the box to type
[08:25] <Mikerhinos> 9h30AM , time for me to logout , take a shower and go in the family for the easter meal :) good bye all
[08:25] <Nullbeat> Kaz: I've used the pop up apport thing. It's generally something about resume power state test or along those lines. One time it freaked out on startup. But it was someweird crap.
[08:27] <Kaz> Nullbeat: You may want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume It's all about apport
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> Now - this is weird...
[08:28] <Moc> it a beta, so I guess stuff arn't ready... but I've seeb alot of small stuff
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> Uubntu just automounted a usb live-cd i made as a iso9660...
[08:28] <Nullbeat> Kaz: will do, thanks!
[08:28] <Moc> the language both-alt switch still doesn't work !!
[08:28] <Moc> bug since 8.10
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if it actually is iso9660
[08:30] <Nullbeat> Does anybody know why xchat only does transparency to background, not what's directly behind it?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> Nullbeat:  because its 'fake transparency'
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> Its had that features for ages befor compiz was even out, or 'true transparency' was doable
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> many xterm programs work the same way
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> eterm, and rxvt also have similer features
[08:32] <Nullbeat> willis: is there a fully customizable, mouse-interactive irc client? I like transparency quite a bit.
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> I find transparency rather useless.. just makes things haerder to read
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> irc client with the most eyecandy ive seen was the one in KDE. Quassle or somthing like that
[08:35] <Nullbeats> Willis: sorry, my phone threw me off...
[08:35] <Dr_Willis>  Dr_Willis | Nullbeat:  because its 'fake transparency'
[08:35] <Dr_Willis>  │  Dr_Willis | Its had that features for ages befor compiz was even out, or 'true transparency' was doable
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> eterm, and rxvt also have similer features
[08:36] <Nullbeats> if you said anything after talking about 'fake' transparency, you'll have to repeat it.
[08:37]  * Dr_Willis dosent think he will bother
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:38] <Nullbeat> Any idea why jmirc keeps disconnecting?
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> never used it.. never heard of it
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> Unless you mean 'mIRC'
[08:38] <Nullbeat> java mobile irc client. Pretty much only irc client I have found for my blackberry.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> Defaintaly never used it then
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:39] <Moc> PiTiVi aint too bad
[08:39] <Nullbeat> Oh well, it's better than NO mobile irc client, I guess, haha.
[08:40] <Nullbeat> Pitivi runs on blackberry?
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> !infp pitivi
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> !info pitivi
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> wow.. barely better then no irc client...
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:41] <Moc> I wish the videolan movie creator was ready though..
[08:41] <Nullbeat> Yeah, mabe I should write one for blackberry
[08:41] <WishingMaster> hi, is anyone here using usb-modeswitch for connecting to internet using a 3g usb modem ?
[08:42] <Nullbeat> That was my previous orphaned connection, haha.
[08:42] <Moc> I got an android nexus one
[08:42] <Moc> WishingMaster: I sometime use my cell phone tethering via usb
[08:42] <Nullbeat> Are there any irc clients for it?
[08:42] <Moc> Nullbeat: a few as far as I know
[08:43] <Moc> I personally SSH to my box and go into my chat screen... so hehe
[08:43] <Nullbeat> Nice...
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> perhaps Nullbeats  should start using znc :)
[08:45] <Nullbeats> how do I go about doing cvs and contributing to open source?
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> Nullbeats:  you do have some programing skills?
[08:45] <Nullbeats> !info znc
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> znc can run on a server.. your irc client thenconnects to the znc machine.. and it keeps you 'alive' here. :)
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> you see what is said if yu disconnect and so forth
[08:46] <Moc> time to sleep...
[08:46] <Moc> will need to install windows to do a firmware update
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> Its a nifty little tool.
[08:46] <Nullbeats> I can navigate around c++ and php decently... I hate java, I would like to learn assm.
[08:47] <Moc> Nullbeats: just use Qt
[08:47] <Nullbeats> Nice, thanks for the info
[08:47] <Moc> I love Qt for UI programming
[08:48] <Nullbeats> I'm not so sure qt will replace web applications and mysql ;)
[08:48] <Moc> slot/signal make thing so easy to do
[08:48] <Kaz> Nullbeats most big projects are done in mostly C but there are plenty of C++ projects that could use help out there. http://github.com/languages/C++
[08:48] <Moc> I'm tired of web app
[08:48] <Nullbeats> I'll look into qt sometime... Does it port well?
[08:48] <Moc> they have no real future
[08:48] <Moc> see android/iphone apps..
[08:49] <Moc> you can't beat a real UI compared to website
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> qt is portable to windows :) theres a kde on windows project
[08:49] <Moc> anyway sleep time... cya
[08:49] <Nullbeats> I'm implementing a campus-wide calendar for my university with multiple users based on php ans mysql
[08:49] <Moc> qt is mac, linux and windows
[08:50] <Nullbeats> Cool. Next stage is we're going to develop mobile apps to interface with the calendar.
[08:51] <Nullbeat> ...Back from the grave once again...
[08:53] <Nullbeats> ok, now this is just getting rediculous...
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> perhaps you should write a better irc client.
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:54] <Nullbeats> Haha, does blackberry run c++?
[08:54] <Nullbeats> If so, then how do I start a new open source project?
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> You tell me...
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> ive never used one
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> never even touched one.
[08:55] <Nullbeats> Not sure what the api is like. I guess I could look into that when I get back onto a full sized computer, haha.
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> write a irc client for the ipad and charge $20 for it.
[08:56] <Kaz> I heard a rumor that Nullbeat has quit
[08:56] <Nullbeats> I like apple products, but the ipad is just dense.
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> at exactly 250 seconds it seems
[08:56] <Nullbeats> haha
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> its all about finding things to sell...
[08:57] <Nullbeats> I mean, come on, it's a giant iphone that can't make calls. Or even do flash.
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> it will be nice to see the ARM cpu's startting to get used in  more things
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> No flash is a good thing
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if it can do java
[08:57] <AbortD> exactly
[08:57] <AbortD> it allows for new technology
[08:57] <Nullbeats> I've played around with the beagleboard... Open hardware project by ti, uses arm9
[08:58] <AbortD> allows more innovative ways
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> Supposed to be some ARM based ipad-things comming out soon. some even use ubuntu UNR
[08:58] <Kaz> I imagine the blackberry can do java. The Ipad will most likely not support java
[08:58] <Nullbeats> I guess you're right, transistional phases aren't always smooth.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> seen quotes of  the $190 price range
[08:58] <AbortD> u talking about the ipad?
[08:58] <AbortD> came out today if so
[08:58] <Nullbeats> you mean the iFeces?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> We will see if touchscreens actually DO make things easier
[08:58] <AbortD> lol
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> can the arm based cpu/ubuntu  run WINE is somthing im wondering
[08:59] <AbortD> it will if they make one with a 15.6 with full keyboard
[08:59] <AbortD> onscreen
[08:59] <Nullbeats> the beagleboard ran a full linux desktop
[09:00] <Nullbeats> But no integrated ethernet port, so ether over usb ftw! That was an interesting exp
[09:00] <AbortD> hm
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> but could you run WINE on an ARM based ubuntu install?
[09:01] <AbortD> ipads will only be useful for networks with touch button easy access
[09:02] <Nullbeat> java is what the irc client, that keeps disconnecting, I'm running on my blackberry is written in...
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> I will stick to weechat for IRC :)
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> !info weechat
[09:02] <Nullbeat> hmmm... Haven't tried wine on it yet. Will see about that later though.
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> glad they finally updated weechat  to 0.3.x
[09:03] <Nullbeat> does weechat do transparancy... The real deal?
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> you can do 'real' transprancy with any window via compiz...
[09:04] <Nullbeat> !info beagleboard
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> and since weechat is a text based irc client that runs in a terminal.. :) it depends on the terminal
[09:04] <Nullbeat> Is it better than irssi?
[09:04] <AbortD> so irssi would work or bitchx
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> I find weechat better then irssi or bitchx
[09:04] <Nullbeat> But xchat won't do 'real' trans, right?
[09:04] <AbortD> i take it is all preferance Dr_Willis  when it comes to them
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> with compiz - you could make the xterm window semi-transparent if you want
[09:05] <AbortD> i like irssi
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> weechat has some features ive not seen in irssi.
[09:05] <AbortD> like?
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> intigellent ignoreing of part/joins for one.
[09:05] <Nullbeat> ooh... Compare and contrast time?
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> 'smart filtering' they call it
[09:06] <AbortD> if that doesnt bother u who cares
[09:06] <AbortD> i dont go in high enough traffic channels
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> go back to telnet then.. you asked me for what features it has.. i told you.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> i dont want to argue.
[09:06] <AbortD> haha sorry im not trying to argue
[09:07] <Nullbeat> What other features does it have?
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> I see Nullbeat  part's joins.. but if someone dosent say anything.. and they part. i dont see it. :)
[09:07] <AbortD> i rather know
[09:07] <AbortD> thats just me
[09:07] <AbortD> instead of talking to my self
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> if i want to see them - i hit alt-F11 and they show up
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> if they ARE talking  and part.. i do see them part.
[09:08] <AbortD> hm
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> if they idle for like 2+ min.. i dont
[09:08] <zniavre__> !control
[09:08] <AbortD> i dunno thats a feature i would never use
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> really cuts down on the useless part/joins i see
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> http://www.weechat.org/features/
[09:08] <Nullbeat> is there a feature where name color saturation is based on recent activity, so you can see and have actively participating people grouped at top?
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> I make it hide the names list. :)
[09:09] <Nullbeat> why so?
[09:09] <AbortD> it shows a name list?
[09:09] <AbortD> i dont think irssi does
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> It can show one.. or not.. its setable on a per channel  setting
[09:10] <AbortD> i might try weechat :P
[09:10] <Nullbeat> same here...
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> The scripts are also 'updateable' from their repository with a few commands
[09:10] <AbortD> i like the nick list idea
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> I forget if im using a script for that or not.
[09:10] <AbortD> i wish the final lucid release would come out
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> also check out the 'iset' script it lets you set settings easier.
[09:11] <Nullbeat> Thanks, how do I contribute it to an open source proj?
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> i got weechat set up how i like. and havent tweakd it much in months
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> Nullbeat:  pick a prokect.. and start helping
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> go be a leet weechat haxor :)
[09:11] <AbortD> lol
[09:11] <Nullbeat> Cvs checking out and such confuses me for some reason...
[09:11] <Nullbeat> hahas
[09:12] <AbortD> if that confuses u gl
[09:12] <Nullbeat> Consol progs make me hesitant, reminds me of the progs I have to write for comp sci
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> get over it
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:13] <Nullbeat> do I have to use a certain ide, the same one as all the other developers on the project?
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> I dont code much. I tend to help in docs/wiki/guides/forums
[09:13] <AbortD> i wish i could help with something too but all i know is graphic design and web layout
[09:14] <Nullbeat> Haha, alrighty. I'll def give weechat a spin though
[09:16] <Nullbeats> I'm worried about messing the project up and looking like an idiot...
[09:16] <Dr_Willis>  the 'weeget' script lets you easially install/update other scripts n weechat
[09:16] <AbortD> and viruses
[09:16] <Nullbeats> viruses...?
[09:17] <Kaz> Nullbeats in most projects you will create your own branch that way you can't mess everything up
[09:17] <Kaz> That is why most projects are switching to git these days. Its super easy to branch and merge that way developers can go crazy and not interfere with eachother
[09:18] <Nullbeats> Oh... Se, that's one of the things idk about. Where can I go to read up on how exactly to configure what ide to be able to contribute to projs?
[09:18] <Kaz> Generally each developer would use what ever IDE they want and would only submit the code files
[09:18] <Kaz> that way someone using Visual Studio could work on the same project as someone else who is using emacs
[09:19] <Nullbeat> ok, back... Sorry, what did you say after 'git'?
 That is why most projects are switching to git these days. Its super easy to branch and merge that way developers can go crazy and not interfere with eachother
 Generally each developer would use what ever IDE they want and would only submit the code files
[09:20] <Kaz> * Nullbeat has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 that way someone using Visual Studio could work on the same project as someone else who is using emacs
[09:22] <Nullbeatss> so just get sf acct pick an ide and configure git?
[09:22] <Kaz> Yep
[09:22] <WishingMaster> hi, is anyone here using usb-modeswitch for connecting to internet using a 3g usb modem ?
[09:22] <Nullbeatss> the ide will automatically plug src files into proper places?
[09:23] <WishingMaster> hi, is anyone here using usb-modeswitch for connecting to internet using a 3g usb modem ?
[09:25] <Nullbeat> it seems to disconnect when I type a long paragraph...
[09:25] <Kaz> I don't know of any IDE that uses versioning software automatically.
[09:25] <Nullbeat> maybe buffer overflow in user input field?
[09:26] <Kaz> Generally you will work on your files till you are ready to publish what you have done and then you will open up a terminal and commit your changes
[09:26] <Nullbeat> kaz: what do you mean versioning?
[09:26] <WishingMaster> i am in deep trouble guys,i can't connect to internet in lucid using  a 3g usb modem
[09:26] <Nullbeat> hm, what if two people's changes conflict?
[09:26] <Kaz> thinks like svn, git those are versioning programs.
[09:27] <Kaz> Generally you lock a file that youa re going to be working on to help prevent that. If for what ever reason there is a conflict your versioning software will help you resolve the conflict
[09:27] <Nullbeat> Oh, what's the best ide to use in linux for os projs?
[09:27] <DexterLB> how do I stop pulseaudio in order to run it with another config? (following http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2009-06/msg01364.html but with pulseaudio-module-jack from main)
[09:27] <Nullbeat> Oh, ok, got it.
[09:28] <WishingMaster> can anyone suggest anything to get a 3g usb modem to work in lucid?
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> heh. reloaded my weechat stuff.. and reactivated all these scripts i frogotten about.  Got a 'auto tinyurl' script
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> WishingMaster:  last you were in here asking about that - You said you had it installed.. but some sort of 'error'
[09:28] <DexterLB> i mean https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2007-March/000330.html not http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2009-06/msg01364.html sorry
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> and thtas all i rember.
[09:29] <Kaz> Sorry wingmaster I have no experience with 3g anything
[09:29] <WishingMaster> Dr_Willis,i got it installed but it needs a config file to initialize.
[09:30] <Nullbeat> kaz: for example... I cvs this trunk I get a big folder fillled with lots of stuff
[09:30] <Kaz> Nullbeat I think Linus uses micro emacs or something along those lines. I almost exclusively develop in .Net langauges so I only use Visual Studio or monodevelop
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> Ok.. what weechat script did that.. I just got a gnome-desktop notification when someone says my nick and this  wndos is not active.. :) Cool
[09:30] <WishingMaster> there is no sample config file in that package
[09:31] <Nullbeat> kaz: but when this proj runs on server, it's scattered between /usr/share/php/UNL and /var/www/calendar
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> WishingMaster:  check the forum for example configs? or the man pages for how they are to be  made?
[09:31] <WishingMaster> surfing the net since 2 hours now
[09:32] <WishingMaster> and still no clue on that config file
[09:32] <Kaz> Generally the code files will be in a very diffrent location/structure then the binaries, or any general output, that they create
[09:33] <WishingMaster> is there a way to downgrade to karmic now?
[09:33] <WishingMaster> like restoring the system to earlier date and time
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> http://code.google.com/p/mis-scripts/downloads/detail?name=usb_modeswitch.conf
[09:33] <Nullbeat> Why is it that way? it's been confusing me.
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCoQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmis-scripts.googlecode.com%2Ffiles%2Fusb_modeswitch.conf&ei=z064S9y5CZGENvmU8OEL&usg=AFQjCNEzz9sXTmp1xcmWY_kBfBONJB6W4g&sig2=KqwJtM-xjB7lMQCR69xpuQ
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> is another download of modeswitch.conf
[09:34] <WishingMaster> i ahve tried them but they have a script error
[09:34] <Nullbeat> Why can't it all run from one folder? Wouldn't that be easier all around?
[09:35] <Kaz> Well you generally wouldn't want to have to distribute all your code to the end users
[09:35] <Nullbeat> instead of figuroing out where to move every folder just to test my php web app
[09:36] <Nullbeat> but it's php?
[09:36] <Kaz> Well a web app (non Asp.Net that is) will actually use most of its code files as the output
[09:37] <Nullbeat> hmm, makes sense.
[09:37] <Kaz> I would guess that the reason the output is scattered in a web app is becuase its more than 1 web app
[09:38] <Nullbeat> It is installed using pear, and uses stuff from the db_objects and auth.php (frameworks?)
[09:39] <Nullbeat> I guess my question is:
[09:39] <Nullbeat> When I open the trunk folder in my ide
[09:40] <Nullbeatss> will the ide auto know how files link to each other
[09:41] <Nullbeatss> and be able to press one button run and testing?
[09:41] <Nullbeatss> instead of moving crap around everytime?
[09:42] <Nullbeats> sorruy, phone keeps disconnecting
[09:42] <Nullbeats> did you respond?
[09:42] <Kaz> That really depends on the IDE. I doubt there will be a prebuilt project/solution
[09:43] <Kaz> You will most likely have to add all the files to your IDE manually but after that there shouldn't be a whole lot of moving things around
[09:43] <Nullbeats> ok, any other tips/advice you can give before I give
[09:43] <Nullbeats> os contributing a shot?
[09:43] <apparle> I am using lirc on /dev/ttyS1 but I am unable to access /dev/ttyS0 from other applications
[09:44] <Kaz> Not really. You sound like your ready to get started. Remember that google is your friends!
[09:45] <Nullbeats> cool beans. Thanks for your input...
[09:45] <Kaz> np
[09:46] <Nullbeat> I'm really excite about this learning opportunity!
[09:46] <Nullbeat> open source, here I come. Thanks all, goodnight!!
[09:46]  * Dr_Willis goes back to rereading the weechat docs..
[09:48] <Kaz> Well I have to wake up in 4 hours for easter mass. Night all
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> wow - reading docs pays off.. learned to do split windows in weechat. :)
[10:03] <Sioux-33> hi anyone here
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> people in and out all day
[10:05] <Sioux-33> do u know maybe why desktop icons disappear in lucid after reboot? can be gnome the reason?
[10:06] <ariefbayu> hi, I have question
[10:06] <ariefbayu> what's that thing that keeps popping up on top-right?
[10:06] <ariefbayu> notification?
[10:06] <ariefbayu> what's the package name?
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> notification panel pops up at top right yes
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> Sioux-33:  gnome handles the desktop icons. theres been a lot of updates to gnome this last week
[10:07] <ariefbayu> ok, I want to clear thing out.
 i updated to the latest one 2.30
[10:07] <ariefbayu> As fas as I remember, on those notification, I can click what's below it, right?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> they pop up so fast and vanish so fast for me. i never can try to click on whats below them
[10:08] <Sioux-33> and when i reboot sound icon gone then after new reboot another one disappear and after 3rd some come back other again gone etc dont know why
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> you could try resetting all your gnome settings.
 how?
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> ive had a few gnome settings get goofed up int he last week or so
[10:09] <ariefbayu> ah, what happened on my system is, they popped and lasted for abour 5-6 seconds.
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> delete the .gnome* or other .config/* dirs
[10:09] <ariefbayu> but, in LL I can't click what's below it
[10:09] <ariefbayu> however, on Ibex I could
 Can you tell what's the package name?
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> a little extreme in its resetting -> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/how-to-reset-ubuntugnome-settings-to-defaults-without-re-installing/
[10:10] <ariefbayu> I want to lookup for bug report
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> ariefbayu:  i dont know the name.. proberly somthing with notify in the name
 also do u know that udev 151 the one preinstalled in lucid doesnt work properly? after every boot up i need to type sudo restart udev or stop udev to make my cpu go to 0% usage if i dont do that cpu is used in around 40%
[10:11] <ariefbayu> thank you, I'll search on LP
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> ive not seen that issue. or heard it mentined in here Sioux-33
 i been searching google and i found few eople talking about udev and high cpu usage the same problem is with udev ver 147 6.1 in karmic
[10:34] <mfraz74> is there any point in me enabling the back port repos until 10.04 has been released?
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> i dont see much reason in it
[10:45] <mfraz74> i didn't think there would be
[10:48] <apparle> what's the meaning of backports
[10:48] <bazhang> !backports | apparle
[10:48] <apparle> bazhang: oh..
[10:49] <jakob1> hey. anyone else having problems with ssh-agent?
[10:50] <jakob1> or, to be more exact, with the gnome-replacement
[11:08] <caolanm> I'm trying to update a home server running the lucid beta, but it hangs on "Setting up console-setup (1.34ubuntu13)"
[11:08] <caolanm> thats the lucid server edition btw
[11:26] <caolanm> uhm, ok... I thought removing it and reinstalling might work, and I've now accidentally remove ubuntu-minimal and it won't install because it relies on console-setup
[11:26] <caolanm> ...this is bad right?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> restart will tell you but i dont see why it would cause any really bad issues
[11:28] <Dr_Willis_> never heard of anyone doing that caolanm ...   :)
[11:28] <gnomefreak> caolanm: what package does it depend on?
[11:28] <caolanm>  ubuntu-minimal?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> forget i asked that
[11:29] <gnomefreak> caolanm: what happens if you run apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f
[11:29] <gnomefreak> does it than install
[11:30] <caolanm> gnomefreak: hmm how do I break the lock held by the hanging update?
[11:30] <caolanm> "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
[11:31] <yofel> !aptlock
[11:31] <yofel> apt/lists/lock o.O?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> yofel: thanks i just got kind of busy
[11:31] <yofel> np
[11:33] <caolanm> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[11:33] <caolanm> is locked by another process
[11:33] <yofel> caolanm: are you sure that you don't have apt or something else still open?
[11:34] <markit> any developer of the installer around? I've a fujitsu primergy tx100 s1, live cd boots well and I can (dmsg) see sda and sdb (2 x 500 gb hd), but installer does not find them! I've tried 9.10 also, same story :( I'm desperate
[11:34] <markit> kubuntu amd 64
[11:35] <markit> I'll download ubuntu 10.04 and try the gnome installer, just for curiosity
[11:35] <gnomefreak> if you tried Lucid and Karmic im bettting its not the installer
[11:36] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to set up multitouch touchpads?
[11:36] <markit> gnomefreak: why not?
[11:36] <markit> gnomefreak: dmesg shows that sda and sdb are found
[11:37] <gnomefreak> markit: different versions of installers and IIRC there are different options
[11:37] <markit> gnomefreak: maybe is an old bug
[11:37] <gnomefreak> maybe try the alternate installer
[11:37] <gnomefreak> markit: search Launchpad for it if you cant find it file a bug
[11:37] <markit> mmm there are not daily builds for alternate, I'll try 9.10 one then
[11:38] <gnomefreak> markit: yes there is
[11:38]  * gnomefreak checking to make sure
[11:39] <markit> gnomefreak: you are right, found, thanks
[11:39] <gnomefreak> markit: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:39] <caolanm> yofel: ok, managed to kill the process that was locking that file, but now dpkg --configure -a is running and just hanging one console-setup as before...
[11:39] <yofel> caolanm: top showing some process as stuck?
[11:41] <markit> gnomefreak: alternate will install the "full" desktop, or a stripped down version  for low ram PC?
[11:41] <gnomefreak> markit: full also has a choice for server install i think but it will install full version
[11:41] <caolanm> yofel: Tasks: 175 total,   1 running, 142 sleeping,   0 stopped,  32 zombie
[11:42] <caolanm> seems like a lot fo zombies right?
[11:42] <caolanm> that's from top btw
[11:42] <gnomefreak> caolanm: is it still stuck?
[11:42] <caolanm> dpkg --configure -a is still hanging at setting up console-setup
[11:43] <gnomefreak> caolanm: once it is done or you kill it run sudo apt-get install console-setup and pos tthe full info to pastebin so we can get a better idea of what is going on
[11:44] <caolanm> gnomefreak: sure thing
[11:44] <gnomefreak> caolanm: thanks. you may want to run update again just incase
[11:44] <gnomefreak> be back in aminute or 3
[11:45] <grimjah> any difficulties w/ thunderbird (ubuntu distributed and mozilla tarball) reported?
[11:45] <yofel> grimjah: I think yes (when porting the profile)
[11:45] <caolanm> gnomefreak: yofel: http://pastebin.com/bU6jXKDU
[11:46] <caolanm> that's where it hangs
[11:46] <grimjah> yofel: ty
[11:46] <yofel> grimjah: do you have a ~/.thunderbird.upstream or so?
[11:47] <grimjah> yofel: negative, just .thunderbird
[11:47] <yofel> grimjah: so you didn't try to install the archive version yet?
[11:49] <grimjah> yofel: not sure what you mean by archive version
[11:49] <yofel> caolanm: hm... I guess it hangs somewhere in the postinst script then, let me check something
[11:49] <yofel> grimjah: I meant the distributed package ;)
[11:50] <yofel> as in package from the ubuntu archive
[11:50] <grimjah> I've tried both the lucid deb and the tarball distributed by mozilla.  both in a clean account on a straight install (not upgraded)
[11:52] <yofel> caolanm: ok... can you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-setup.postinst and add 'set -x' before the 'set -e' line and try dpkg --configure -a again?
[11:53] <markit> is "alternate cd installer" program the same for ubuntu and kubuntu?
[11:53] <yofel> markit: yes, it's the debian-installer, same for all
[11:54] <markit> yofel: pure debian? good :)
[11:54] <cento> avete benedetto le tavole?
[11:54] <yofel> !it | cento
[11:55] <yofel> cento: there should be #ubuntu-it+1 I think
[11:55] <cento> yoasif, right, its not for this chanel, im wrong ;)
[11:55] <cento> *yofel
[11:55] <savin> is there any option to get a text based location bar in Lucid
[11:56] <yofel> markit: not really pure no with *ubuntu94, but as debian as you can get in ubuntu ;)
[11:58] <markit> if it does not work, I'm really in troubles... fujitsu should support gnu/linux, but is the second type of pc that does not work with it
[11:59] <markit> so I'm really scared about buying expensive harware and find can't work with GNU/Linux
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ok im back sorry about that
[11:59] <markit> while works fine with windows
[11:59]  * penguin42 is plesently surprised his desktop hibernate/resumes - I hit hibernate by mistake last night rather than shutdown
[11:59] <yofel> hm, well if dmesg shows them then the kernel supports the hardware
[12:00] <yofel> not sure what ubiquity uses for hardware detections though
[12:00] <caolanm> yofel: http://pastebin.com/eaa1QDW3
[12:00] <markit> yofel: well, a "cheap" pc from fujitsu, 2250 or something like that, does not boot with systemrescuecd, boots with kubuntu 9.10 but once you are on teh desktop you don't have keyboard or mouse (ps2 or usb, does not matter)
[12:01] <markit> and was a model sold with Suse... but I tried to restore suse from cd and hangs
[12:01] <gnomefreak> did console ever set it up or is it hanging?
[12:01] <markit> if you install Win7 everything is fine
[12:01] <yofel> o.O
[12:01] <markit> so I'm really scared these days
[12:01] <DASPRiD> markit, except that you have win7 on your pc then ;)
[12:01] <markit> I've convinced a school to buy this primergy (8gb ram) for a ltsp solution
[12:01] <markit> but is 3 days I try to install kubuntu there
[12:02] <penguin42> markit: How does it fail?
[12:02] <cento> Anybody know a ppa repository for Firefox compiled with the  Cairo library?
[12:02] <Dr_Willis_> suse worked..but other linux's dont.. thatis weird..
[12:02] <markit> penguin42: the suse recovery or kubuntu? the 2250 or primergy? (my real problem is primergy at the moment)
[12:03] <penguin42> markit: Kubuntu on the primergy
[12:03] <gnomefreak> yofel: if i pull my #2 hd out and just added another one (one in now is karmic the one i would like to replace it with is win. any chance that will just work or would i have to work to get it working
[12:03] <penguin42> (says he picking one arbitrarily)
[12:03] <markit> penguin42: we talked 2 days ago and you helped me
[12:03] <gnomefreak> cento: we dont have one yet
[12:03] <penguin42> did I ? Heck I can't remember....
[12:03] <markit> penguin42: just the installer does not show the device where install
[12:03] <cento> gnomefreak, ive compiled it manually :(
[12:04] <gnomefreak> cento: doesnt work?
[12:04] <penguin42> markit: Oh that one - was that the one with the 2x500GB disks?
[12:04] <cento> yep, but now i lose ubuntu-patch, ubuntu-upgrade, and so on
[12:04] <markit> penguin42: if I boot from usb, 10.04 of some days ago shows nothing, now it shows at least the usb key (sdc)
[12:04] <markit> penguin42: exactly, what a memory :)
[12:05] <cento> other way would be to recompile ubuntu-source of firefox
[12:05] <markit> I've tried to remove ahci option, I moved from usb1 connector to 3, removed second hd, partitioned manually the first one,e tc
[12:05] <yofel> caolanm: does ps -e show a setupcon process?
[12:05] <markit> of course I've disabled "raid" controller option
[12:05] <cento> but i think: all of you (users of ubuntu+1) use firefox without cairo? O_o
[12:05] <markit> penguin42: the news is that trying 9.10 I've the same problem, so is an "old" bug
[12:06] <penguin42> markit: I don't think I could blame the hardware vendors for it - the dmesg you posted showed the drives
[12:06] <markit> and the only "strange" thing is that fdisk -l shows sdb BEFORE sda, if it matters
[12:06] <yofel> gnomefreak: no idea, the only setup I have ever tested was windows on sda1 which never failed and reinstalling grub after that
[12:06] <gnomefreak> cento: i would have to pull the source and look at debain/rules to make sure but i just asked one of our firefox devs. i maintain other mozilla packages
[12:07] <markit> penguin42: well, the problem is that hadware is "certified" for windows, not for gnu, so they never tried install kubuntu, and now the school has spent 800 euros and I have to make it work
[12:07] <markit> don't know who blame, but of course "selling or suggesting" M$ crap don't put you in such a trouble situations
[12:07] <penguin42> markit: To be honest if I had that problem I'd try a CentOS install
[12:08] <gnomefreak> yofel: ok thanks. im trying to not reinstall Lucid but im thinking maybe i will just to test latest dail ISO since i normally do that anyway
[12:08] <markit> penguin42: I'm a debian (+KDE) guy, but ltsp is better under ubuntu
[12:08] <markit> and since (unfortunatly) distro are not the same, expecially deb / rpm ones
[12:08] <penguin42> markit: I don't disagree; but it's certainly worth a go if you want to get people off your back
[12:08] <markit> my knowledge is useless in centos
[12:09] <markit> penguin42: sorry, my english is poor.. what does mean "if you want to get people off your back"?
[12:10] <penguin42> markit: If you are under pressure to get something to work
[12:10] <markit> penguin42: oh, I see :) I agree
[12:10] <markit> but if I succeed in installing centos, is useless for me
[12:11] <markit> ok, I try Ubuntu 10.04 install now, just to understand if is a Kubuntu problem or not
[12:18] <markit> ok, ubuntu (gnome) installer has the SAME problem
[12:19] <soee> anyone have problems with yesterday build? cant logout/restart/turnoff pc using menu buttons ?
[12:19] <penguin42> markit: have you tried the alternate CD yet?
[12:20] <soee> and all the time could not write bytes: broekn pipe msgs whyen booting
[12:20] <markit> penguin42: no, I've just downloaded the kubuntu one, and I'm going to try it now (still from usb boot)
[12:20] <penguin42> markit: I'd give up on the USB boot, people have had problems with it - go get a real CD
[12:21] <markit> penguin42: I've tried real cd also, but same story
[12:22] <markit> so at least I would love to save some cd burning :)
[12:22] <penguin42> hmm ok - alternate CD then
[12:23] <yofel> the usb boot works fine here since I think a week ago or so, didn't want to boot at all before that
[12:23] <markit> alternate usb, if it fails, I'll burn a laternate cd, if fails I'll be desperate
[12:24] <yofel> markit: rather than desperate go to #ubuntu-installer and ask them for help on finding out what's the problem
[12:24] <penguin42> markit: It's a bit odd, that dmesg the other day showed it had found the drives in the kernel
[12:25] <yofel> indeed
[12:25] <markit> yes, so I wondered it got confused because fdisk shows them in the inverted order (sdb and then sda)
[12:25] <markit> is the graphical installer just a front end (KDE or gnome) to the same software? do they share a "core"?
[12:25] <caolanm> yofel: no
[12:26] <caolanm> yofel: sorry, wandered off for a bit there :) ..I meant 'no' in response to 'ps -e'
[12:26] <markit> I'm also wondering if makes sens "resist" with KDE, since everyone is moving to gnome (that, on my opinion, is inferior at a lib level (gtk+ against qt) and poisoned by mono)
[12:27] <caolanm> yofel: whoa, ignore me... yes, it does show a setupcon process
[12:27] <Dr_Willis_> markit:  i find thelatest kde4.4 very useable and a vast improvement over the older kde4 - its netbook interfaceis better then UNR's in many ways
[12:28] <yofel> markit: I actually moved TO KDE as I'm liking it more than gnome since 4.3 came out
[12:28] <yofel> and 4.4 is cool
[12:28] <markit> Dr_Willis_: I've used kde4 since the beginning, and I love it. I've UNR and kde in the netbook, but to be sincere I prefer UNR interface to the "netbook plasmoid"
[12:29] <edakiri> Does building a kernel from Ubuntu sources work better in LL than KK?
[12:29] <markit> yofel: yes, but people that use GNU/Linux at 80% use gnome
[12:29] <yofel> markit: and yes, both gnome and kde installer should be Ubiquity, just different interfaces
[12:30] <yofel> markit: I know, maybe now that the ui team has managed to annoy most of us KDE will get a bit more popular :P
[12:31] <markit> yofel: are you a kde developer?
[12:31] <yofel> nope
[12:31] <markit> ok. Just think at the "single click" kde madness. Default should be DOUBLE, that is 99.99% of desktop use
[12:32] <markit> seems that FOSS developers often like hurt themselves
[12:32] <markit> but I'm OT :)
[12:32] <markit> alternate installer is running, let's cross fingers
[12:32] <topyli> loving the stats :)
[12:33] <markit> mm funny, is asking me if I want to activate RAID device (that I've disactivated at BIOS level)
[12:33] <topyli> 80% of linux users use gnome. 99.9% of desktops use double click. i wonder where these come from :)
[12:33] <DasEi> !minimal
[12:33] <yofel> ^^
[12:33] <markit> analizing disks...
[12:34] <markit> wow, it sees them all, unfortunatly usb device is sda
[12:34] <DasEi> is there no minimal for lucid out ? can't find it on the lucid mirrors
[12:34] <markit> but I'll burn a cd then :)
[12:34] <yofel> markit: nice :) (and don't forget to make sure there's a bug filed against ubiquity for that)
[12:35] <markit> so, just a feeling, there must be the "activate raid" step that ubiquity skips and creates confusion
[12:35] <penguin42> markit: Great - I'd love to know what actually causes that bug
[12:36] <markit> yofel: I hate subscribe to anything, and to file a bug you have to subscribe to ubuntu... probably I'll make an exception this time
[12:36] <markit> so ubiquity is the _buntu installer?
[12:36] <penguin42> markit: Yeh, the graphical one
[12:37] <markit> well, above all thanks a lot to you all for tips, patience and various suggestions :)
[12:38] <yofel> markit: you shouldn't get that much mail, also if there's alreay a bug filed just set it to affect you, don't subscribe to it. And if you need to file a new bug, you can just unsubscribe once all information is there.
[12:40] <markit> yofel: well, in any case since is sure a bug, is my "duty" give something back to FOSS, in this case a bug report
[12:42] <caolanm> just out of interest I put a set -x in /bin/setupcon too: http://pastebin.com/dFYftAwa
[12:49] <caolanm> doing setupcon for keyboard only seems to work, but doing setupcon for font only hangs
[12:50] <koltroll> Hi people. I updated to lucid on my desktop pc. Everytime I boot I'm getting a "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode"-screen, and the resolution is all messed up. I then choose "Restart X" and things get normal, however compositing doesn't work. I'm not sure how to bug test this, so any help would be appreciated!
[12:51] <koltroll> I've got a ATI Radeon card and I'm using the suggested driver by ubuntu.
[12:54] <hifi> suggested as in "restricted" or the default?
[12:54] <koltroll> restricted
[12:55] <hifi> man, the "Hardware Drivers" program messes peoples heads
[12:55] <koltroll> I cannot start up Catalyst Control center. I get the error "No ATI graphics driver is installed, or the ATI driver is not functioning properly"
[12:55] <hifi> do you need the restricted driver?
[12:56] <koltroll> no idea :)
[12:56] <hifi> depends what you do and which card
[12:57] <koltroll> well I really don't do anything that uses 3D, not that I'm aware of. I browse and code basically.
[12:57] <koltroll> however I do like my compositing effects!
[12:57] <hifi> I'd suggest the open source (default) driver if you hae a compatible card
[12:57] <hifi> have*
[12:57] <hifi> though, missing compositing effects sounds like a evergreen card
[12:58] <koltroll> "evergreen card", what does that mean ?
[12:58] <hifi> the latest AMD series, R5xx
[12:58] <hifi> HD 5xxx
[12:59] <hifi> er, R8xx
[12:59] <koltroll> RADEON HD4890 OC 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E DVI
[12:59] <koltroll> That's me card :)
[12:59] <hifi> everything below HD 5xxx should work properly with the open source driver
[12:59] <koltroll> so then I'll go into hardware drivers and deactivate it, yes?
[12:59] <hifi> that would be the solution
[13:00] <koltroll> I'll try that out, thanks alot
[13:00] <hifi> hopefully it removes it properly
[13:00] <hifi> lucid and HD4890 should "just work
[13:00] <koltroll> alright :) Thanks
[13:00] <gnomefreak> who was asking about cario builds of firefox?
[13:00] <hifi> koltroll: you might want to try kernel mode setting too
[13:01] <koltroll> Gonna do a reboot now after removing the driver!
[13:01] <hifi> oh, it's on by default
[13:04] <Annaa> http://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270382194 do my breasts look to big?
[13:12] <TomTom> hi there, how to disable pulseaudio in lucid and use pure alsa instead?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> i saw a simple guide the other day on howto make apps use alsa by default. without doing anything radical to pulse
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> I got a bookmark to it at http://delicious.com/dr_willis
[13:13] <Dr_Willis_> i forget what tag i used
[13:14] <Dr_Willis_> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-switch-to-alsa-or-oss-instead-of.html
[13:14] <TomTom> thanks
[13:15] <TomTom> pulseaudio is a good idea, but when it does not support the most basic stuff like digital passthrough its a bad decision to use it as default soundsystem B-)
[13:17] <yofel> TomTom: please make sure there's a bug filed about pluseaudion not supporting it ;)
[13:17] <yofel> *pulseaudio
[13:19] <gnomefreak> what playlist extension is supported. rhythmbox saved mine as .pls and when i go to save it it says that extension is not supported. i would think a default app would be able to use a supported extension
[13:22] <gnomefreak> and im not seeing a way to change the .pls
[13:22] <Dr_Willis_> supported by what?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis_> last time i looked at a pls. it was just a list of path/files
[13:23] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis_: when i go to save the .pls playlist it says .pls is not supported
[13:23] <Dr_Willis_> it dosent support saveing theplay list as a pls...
[13:23] <Dr_Willis_> thats odd.
[13:23] <gnomefreak> ^^^ bad since rythembox is default player
[13:26]  * gnomefreak going to smoke and think
[13:27] <TomTom> yofel: its a known bug since months... already filed more than once in their bug db...
[13:27] <deanus> audacious ftw
[13:34] <gnomefreak> that time it worked
[13:35] <Geo_2005> Привет всем!
[13:35] <Geo_2005> У меня есть вопрос по люсиду
[13:35] <Geo_2005>  
[13:35] <Geo_2005> драйвера видеокарт появятся только после официальногоь релиза?
[13:35] <JoshuaL> !ubuntu-ru | Geo_2005
[13:35] <Geo_2005> Спасибо
[13:43] <jakob1> root@jakob-laptop:~# useradd -m test
[13:43] <jakob1> root@jakob-laptop:~# passwd test
[13:43] <jakob1> passwd: System error
[13:43] <jakob1> passwd: password unchanged
[13:43] <jakob1> any suggestions?
[13:45]  * penguin42 wonders if 64bit flash is ever going to become non-beta
[13:45] <DASPRiD> flash will die anyway sometime ;)
[13:46] <Dr_Willis_> we can only hope
[13:46] <Dr_Willis_> Seen an artical where quake2 got ported to HTML5 - somehow...
[13:51]  * penguin42 wonders how to make chromium pick up a flash plugin - where does it search?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis_> its always just found it here. wheni install flash
[13:51] <Dr_Willis_> never had to do anything extra
[13:51] <penguin42> Dr_Willis_: Do you install it using the package?
[13:52] <Dr_Willis_> it was in the repos
[13:52] <penguin42> yeh, I'm just trying the 64bit one
[13:52] <markit> penguin42: the installation ended perfectly, thanks once again, bye
[13:52] <penguin42> markit: Cool
[13:54] <penguin42> ah, got the wrong .so
[13:56] <paradoxuncreated> Yo.
[13:56] <paradoxuncreated> Can someone check a package for me?
[13:56] <paradoxuncreated> If there is a packagemeister here?
[13:57] <penguin42> what do you mean by check?
[13:57] <paradoxuncreated> test, look at archive, comment etc
[13:57] <paradoxuncreated> http://www.paradoxuncreated.com/Pxu/MKern.deb  (for 64bit Lucid)
[13:57] <paradoxuncreated> It's a kernel
[13:58] <paradoxuncreated> oldconfig was lucid kernel
[13:58] <penguin42> sorry, not picking up an arbitrary deb from the wire
[13:58] <paradoxuncreated> This is bfs patch ++ my own tweaks, and a custom HZ setting
[13:58] <paradoxuncreated> lol
[13:59] <paradoxuncreated> It's a further development of this : http://www.paradoxuncreated.com/articles/Millennium/Millennium.html
[14:00] <paradoxuncreated> Well your computer might actually pseudorandomly turn into a bruteforce generator, that makes a killing machine ... :P
[14:01] <penguin42> paradoxuncreated: Why do you go for no-tickless ?
[14:01] <paradoxuncreated> I was adviced to do so, but if it works well, I might use it.
[14:01] <paradoxuncreated> What's the philosophy behind it?
[14:03] <penguin42> paradoxuncreated: I think the idea is that you don't set a timer unless you have something you know you want to do
[14:03] <paradoxuncreated> It's not conservative ticks, when computer is "idle" ?
[14:04] <penguin42> paradoxuncreated: Yeh it won't tick when idle at the same rate as I understand it; but also think about it from a performance point of view - you're doing 2000 ticks/second probably most of them not doing anything useful
[14:04] <paradoxuncreated> They're all useful in audiovisual presentations.
[14:05] <paradoxuncreated> I think you'd be amazed at the kernel btw..
[14:05]  * penguin42 is very rarely amazed
[14:07] <paradoxuncreated> Most of the time you have something animating on your screen. I have tuned hz for the human senses, so things look more natural. HZ = 2936 now btw.
[14:08] <paradoxuncreated> Be that mousepointer, or firefox buttons, or ofcourse youtube media, if not to talk about how good games look. Try QuakeLive with it.
[14:09] <penguin42> yeh I'm not really a gamer
[14:10] <paradoxuncreated> Anyone else ? :P
[14:11] <paradoxuncreated> Anyway gamer or not, the whole experience of the computer changes. But there are some additional settings for full effect, but they are described in the package aswell.
[14:11] <paradoxuncreated> I was just really looking to see if anyone had sucess installing it, and booting into the new kernel.
[14:12] <paradoxuncreated> I'm quite sure something evil won't happen. Worst is, that it won't install, or won't work. And then you have your other kernels. And then you can try removing it which I hope also works :P
[14:12] <paradoxuncreated> Else I know which files to delete, and they are listed in the archive aswell.
[14:13] <penguin42> paradoxuncreated: Have you compared it to the linux-image-rt build?
[14:13] <paradoxuncreated> Yes.
[14:14] <paradoxuncreated> Rt doesn't work that well here.
[14:19] <jackhigh> when using the open ati driver how can one manually set the screen resolution im stuck with 1152x864 max
[14:19] <paradoxuncreated> I'm not the evil bully from school who put evil things into a package, just to ruin your life....
[14:20] <penguin42> jackhigh: What resolution would you like? How's your monitor connected? And what card do you have?
[14:20] <paradoxuncreated> bullys.deb <- lol
[14:21] <jackhigh> penguin42: hd2600 i would like 1280x1024 and its connected via dvi to vga lead
[14:21] <penguin42> jackhigh: Can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere?
[14:21] <jackhigh> no probs
[14:22] <Kano> hi, why does the chnage button in the kbuntu lucid installer do nothing in adv partition menu
[14:24] <jackhigh> http://pastebin.com/30VPYvx7 it seems kinda long im not sure if thats cos ive been messing with fglrx but as you can imagine ive had some errors with fglrx on lucid afaik its gone now and im using the open one
[14:24] <paradoxuncreated> ignorantmans.deb "I slept with everyone behind your back and think you're uncool for not doing the same" version.
[14:25] <paradoxuncreated> But xorg, yeah I can help with that.
[14:25] <paradoxuncreated> Probably monitor part of xorg.conf
[14:25] <penguin42> jackhigh: That looks suspicious but unrelated: (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed (libdri too old)
[14:25] <jackhigh> what does that mean ?
[14:27] <penguin42> some form of version mismatch
[14:27] <paradoxuncreated> sudo apt-get build-dep mesa # would fix libdri I think
[14:28] <jackhigh> ill give it a go btw paradoxuncreated i actually dont have an xorg.conf atm
[14:28] <penguin42> jackhigh: For some reason it's not detecting the monitor (which sucks) so yes you'll either need an xorg.conf (although it doesn't need to be very big) or you can use xrandr to set the modes the monitor can do
[14:29] <paradoxuncreated> ok.. you haven't tried the failsafe one iether?
[14:29] <jackhigh> no i deleted the one from my old 9.10 that aticonfig created and removed fglrx and running without one
[14:30] <jackhigh> k ill reboot and write an xorg.conf ill brb
[14:33] <paradoxuncreated> Nobody wants to try my pack?
[14:34] <Kano> jackhigh: did you run sudo aticonfig --initial
[14:34] <penguin42> Kano: He's running with the open source driver now
[14:34] <Kano> i see that
[14:35] <penguin42> aticonfig is just the closed source
[14:36] <Kano> but his card is new enough for fglrx
[14:43] <jackhigh> i wrote an xorg.conf and rebooted but it seems to have not made a difference can i post my .conf to see if ive made a mistake
[14:43] <penguin42> sure
[14:43] <penguin42> with the new Xorg.0.log
[14:44] <videorechner> hi, I installed kubuntu 10.04 on a usb stick, updated it and installed live-initramfs, after that, I connected the drive to another pc and made a squashfs file out of the system. I start the kernel and initrd from the usb stick with grub and boot options: fetch=/ip/../squashfs toram  and the file is loaded, but the screens gets dark after that and wont show the gui (I waited 3 hours) how can I check, why kdm isnt loaded properly?
[14:44] <jackhigh> http://pastebin.com/KM0Yxx6H .conf
[14:44] <penguin42> videorechner: Does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[14:44] <videorechner> nope
[14:45] <jackhigh> http://pastebin.com/dmcMsrT7 the log
[14:46] <penguin42> videorechner: If you take the quiet and splash options off the kernel boot line it might show you more
[14:47] <videorechner> mhm, I did that at /etc/grub.d/40_custom but I will have another try with removing it from /etc/default/grub
[14:48] <penguin42> jackhigh: In the monitor section you need to specify hrefresh/vrefresh large enough for the mode
[14:49] <penguin42> jackhigh: Try adding a HorizSync 30-70  and Vertrefresh 60-65 in the monitor section
[14:49] <penguin42> (ish - not sure what your monitor actually wants!)
[14:51] <penguin42> jackhigh: Your problem is that the hardware can't read the monitor spec so has gone with something safe
[14:52] <jackhigh> i see
[14:52] <jackhigh> ok ill try a reboot
[14:52] <penguin42> nah you don't need reboot
[14:52] <penguin42> just kill X
[14:52] <penguin42> oh
[14:53] <penguin42> it's amazing how many vga detects don't work
[14:54] <Kano> penguin42: i dont get whats not detected, his tv is correctly recognized with 1360x768 res, just the mode he wants to force is stupid
[14:55] <penguin42> Kano: Hmm, maybe I'm misreading it then - I read the logs as failing to have read teh EDID
[14:55] <Kano> he forced things that should not be forced
[14:56] <penguin42> no, I stand by it - it's not read EDID
[14:56] <Kano> look at his first log
[14:56] <Kano> not that after his stupid xorg.conf file which is wrong
[14:57] <jackhigh> we have progress of sorts i can now select lots of resolutions inc 1280x1024 but when i do i have a black bar about an inch wide down the right hand side
[14:57] <Kano> you can not logically force a 1280x1024 res on a 1360x768 monitor
[14:58] <penguin42> Kano: His original one still doesn't say EDID - although it does say probed
[14:58] <nis> I can't use "ping" in "network tool" in 10.04
[14:58] <penguin42> jackhigh: Can we just check on the model of monitor you've got?
[14:59] <Kano> penguin42: the modelines are from edid in the log
[14:59] <jackhigh> dell genisis optimim 1280x1024 60Hz model E193FP
[14:59] <jackhigh> 19 inch
[15:00] <penguin42> jackhigh: Yeh that is 1280x1024
[15:00] <penguin42> Kano: I don't think they are - that's not the same output as my EDID output format
[15:00] <jackhigh> i know ive had it running at 1280x1024 since 7.10
[15:00] <Kano> penguin42: well 1360 can be fallback too...
[15:00] <Kano> jackhigh: why dont you use fglrx?
[15:01] <Kano> with resetted xorg
[15:01] <jackhigh> i cant get it to work with lucid
[15:01] <penguin42> Kano: He's not using frglx - leave that a minute
[15:01] <jackhigh> ive been trying for a vouple of days
[15:01] <penguin42> jackhigh: OK, give us your latest log file
[15:01] <Kano> it is really simple to do so ;)
[15:01] <jackhigh> k
[15:02] <penguin42> jackhigh: It's interesting my Dell S2409W has detection problems on some machines
[15:02] <jackhigh> http://pastebin.com/dHAvyaj4
[15:05] <penguin42> jackhigh: what have you got for the ranges in your config file?
[15:05] <Kano> jackhigh: uname -r
[15:05] <videorechner> penguin42 I booted it and got another black screen but when I tried to turn it off, I saw this message:maybe it has something to do with my problem: mount: / is busy[  175.919920] [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon
[15:06] <penguin42> videorechner: OK, that's some form of Nvidia driver problem; I don't know Nvidia stuff
[15:06] <videorechner> #nouveau?
[15:06] <jackhigh> 2.6.32-19-generic HorizSync 30-70 Vertrefresh 60-65
[15:07] <benkay86> So...
[15:07] <jackhigh> kano and penguin42
[15:07] <benkay86> Headless Lucid won't boot.
[15:07] <Kano> videorechner: just a hint: ubuntu uses casper NOT live-initramfs
[15:07] <jackhigh> penguin42: were they the ranges you meant ?
[15:07] <penguin42> jackhigh: Yeh
[15:07] <benkay86> Gets as far as checking the root filesystem, then it does nothing.
[15:08] <videorechner> Kano casper doesnt support fetch and toram, thats why I installed live-initramfs, the guys from xbmc did the same, their setup works on my pc
[15:08] <billy2007> ive upgraded to lucid beta but its completly crap is there any way to revertto karmic??
[15:08] <jackhigh> be right back i do appreciate your help im just going for smoke 1 sec
[15:08] <Kano> videorechner: then you need to use a initrd with live-initramfs not one with casper to boot from
[15:09] <Kano> videorechner: toram should in theory work with casper now
[15:09] <penguin42> jackhigh: The monitor should figure it out if you hit autodetect, but you might want to tweek the ranges to persuade it to use one from: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/E193FP/En/specs.htm
[15:10] <videorechner> Kano they are created after installing live-initramfs and they work, because I use boot=live and fetch and toram as boot options, and the file is loaded from a http server
[15:12] <Kano> videorechner: are you sure that xbmc did not use live-helper?
[15:12] <jackhigh> bk
[15:13] <jackhigh> ill have a look thanks btw it doesnt autodetect am afraid it hever has
[15:13] <videorechner> Kano no, I just guessed, because they use boot=live, too
[15:13] <penguin42> jackhigh: You might want to try another DVI->VGA connector or lead at some point
[15:14] <Kano> the usual way to create live images with live-initramfs is using live-helper not manually installing and compressing
[15:14]  * penguin42 was impressed by the create-start-up-disk thing - that worked well for me
[15:16] <videorechner> ill look live-helper up, thanks for the advice
[15:18]  * penguin42 just did system->administration->startup disk creator
[15:19] <Kano> penguin42: that does not do much, it just copies the content of the image to a fat partition + installs syslinux
[15:19] <penguin42> Kano: Not quite; it also creates a writeable backing image on the key that can take modifications
[15:20] <jackhigh> brb
[15:20] <Kano> penguin42: thats not really hard to do, when you know how it works
[15:20] <Kano> i wrote my own script to do that ;)
[15:20] <penguin42> Kano: I've seen it done in a few ways, the way it's done with aufs works very nicely
[15:20] <Kano> i do not need to boot u to create a bootable usb stick
[15:20] <Kano> penguin42: it does NOT use aufs when you use persisent mode
[15:22] <billy2007> ive upgraded to lucid beta but its completly crap is there any way to revert to karmic??
[15:22] <Kano> casper uses casper-rw and/or home-rw in writethru mode, that can be a loop back file or a partition with that name. i usually prefer partitions as you can create em must faster than loopback files also you are not limited to 4 gb filesize
[15:23] <Kano> ok, it uses aufs but the cow is on casper-rw and for home it is just mounted to home-rw
[15:23] <BUGabundo> Easter Afternuun :P
[15:23] <penguin42> Kano: Yeh, that's what I thought
[15:24] <penguin42> Kano: I've seen a Fedora one done using an LVM cow setup but it's very fragile
[15:24] <Kano> i just found a bug in the toram code...
[15:24] <SandGorgon> upgrading now to lucid lynx (packages already downloaded).... here goes nothing !
[15:24]  * SandGorgon prays
[15:25] <penguin42> Kano: having the cow being a standard ext* fs makes it a lot less fragile
[15:25] <bertmanphx_> Question:  running amarok on kubuntu 10.04 here.  When I load up a saved playlist, there is nothing brought into the playlist area. what am I doing wrong?
[15:26] <Kano> cp -a ${copyfrom}/* ${copyto} # "cp -a" from busybox also copies hidden files
[15:26] <Kano> since when is the comment true
[15:27] <FiremanEd> Dumb question.. If I installed Lucid via Alpha release and keep up with all the updates as they occur, does it become the betas as they are now?
[15:27] <penguin42> FiremanEd: Pretty close
[15:27] <penguin42> FiremanEd: Sometimes a package is added/removed or a config gets changed a bit later on that you don't pick up in the updates
[15:27] <FiremanEd> gotcha bro
[15:28] <FiremanEd> thanks very much.
[15:29] <billy2007> ive upgraded to lucid beta but its completly crap is there any way to revert to karmic??
[15:30] <penguin42> billy2007: Nope, hard luck - how ever what's the crapness you're seeing?
[15:30] <billy2007> penguin42, cant play dvd's cant get plug-ins on fire-fox loads slow freezes continuosly ect.
[15:31] <Some_Person> My laptop's LCD is damaged and only approximately the left 2/3 of it works. Can I set ubuntu to only use the undamaged portion of the screen so it doesn't get in the way until I am able to get a replacement?
[15:32] <penguin42> billy2007: hmm, tell me about the loads slow - lucid is nice and fast for me
[15:32] <penguin42> Some_Person: Are you using desktop effects (compiz) or not?
[15:32] <Some_Person> penguin42: no
[15:33] <penguin42> Some_Person: OK, so two suggestions; 1st is there is a program called devilspie where you can program where windows appear
[15:33] <Some_Person> If compiz would help me here, I am willing to turn it on
[15:33] <penguin42> Some_Person: Second, is try fiddling with the modes using xrandr - problem is that I think you're LCD will probably stretch the mode back again if you make the resolution lower
[15:34] <Some_Person> Well, I don't want it centered, I want it on the left side of the screen
[15:34] <Some_Person> My LCD seems to either center or stretch everything
[15:34] <billy2007> penguin42, its just laggy if you know what i mean like xp on a full HD ive just found updates in the update manager ill see if they help
[15:34] <penguin42> Some_Person: Yeh, which is why I say I'm not sure xrandr will help you; but devilspie will help restrict where most windows go
[15:35] <Some_Person> What about things like notify-osd?
[15:35] <penguin42> hmm
[15:35] <penguin42> well that can be told which side to put it on
[15:35] <penguin42> I wonder if setting the 'virtual' size smaller than your real resolution in an xorg.conf would do it?
[15:36] <Some_Person> Also, I created a new notification area in the undamaged portion, but the network icon is missing
[15:36] <vish> BUGa_vacations: hi.. what was the zsync command you use to update you the desktop iso?
[15:37] <Some_Person> and my user name is missing from the user menu (it's just blank, as if it has no name)
[15:37] <BUGa_vacations> vish: simply $ zsync URL
[15:37] <vish> ok thanks
[15:37] <BUGa_vacations> and you can complicate it a bit to save you on IO
[15:37] <BUGa_vacations> like $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[15:38] <Some_Person> basically, this is what I'm looking at (assume the area to the right of xchat is just a pixel mess): http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5880/screenshot1n.png
[15:41] <billy2007> penguin42, and i cant veiw gifs on firefox or google chrome im really dissapointed with this new version
[15:41] <penguin42> billy2007: Hmm interesting, got a site with a (safe) gif ?
[15:42] <billy2007> www.themobsterslife.com
[15:42] <JoshuaL> No links please.
[15:42] <billy2007> thats whats annoying me becuaseit all used to work on karmic
[15:42] <billy2007> JoshuaL, why not
[15:43] <JoshuaL> ohw
[15:43] <JoshuaL> sorry
[15:43] <JoshuaL> i was confused with another channel ;)
[15:43] <penguin42> billy2007: See that looks OK to me
[15:43] <JoshuaL> my mistake.
[15:43] <gnomefreak> penguin42: billy2007 looks good to me as well
[15:43] <penguin42> billy2007: Both firefox and chromium
[15:43] <billy2007> if you make an account log in on (firefox) dunno about others but the loadiung bar dosnt show
[15:43] <gnomefreak> im using 3.6 and 3.7 and it looks fine in both
[15:44] <billy2007> my profile media dosnt show
[15:44] <billy2007> and when i search for the plugin it wants it draws a blank
[15:44] <gnomefreak> make sur eyou have java installed and/or flash.  im not sure what the game is using
[15:44] <penguin42> That doesn't seem to have either from that?
[15:45] <billy2007> i think its java i had it all working on karmic it should have kept all my programs shouldnt it?
[15:47] <ZykoticK9> gev,  see the blue update on the top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[15:47] <Some_Person> Oh, and how can I constrict the taskbar to only the left side of my screen?
[15:47] <gnomefreak> billy2007: can you please pastebin the output from dpkg -l openjdk-6-jre
[15:48] <gnomefreak> billy2007: also pastebin the output of dpkg -l flashplugin*
[15:49] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: our java works with chromium-browser fine
[15:50] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, agreed, openjava is good but not all the crummy web sites are compatible, issues with logins etc
[15:50] <gev> yes sun jre/jdk work as well with chromium
[15:50] <gev> but not working with with firefox
[15:51] <gev> at me
[15:51] <benkay86> I'm trying to boot Lucid Server on a serial console, but I never get as far a login prompt. I followed the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[15:51] <benkay86> Here's the tail end of the output from the serial console during boot: http://pastebin.com/590Hb6qL
[15:51] <deanus> Why doesnt it give the option to unmount the drive when plugging in a usb hd/flash stick?  Only safely remove and eject, which both bascially remove all partitions on the drive.
[15:51] <gev> and icedtea plugin is not working too
[15:52] <benkay86> I seem to be getting an error: "could not write bytes: Broken pipe"
[15:52] <penguin42> benkay86: Have you tried network console logging?  Is this the install or is this after install?
[15:53] <benkay86> This is after installation. I don't see how network console logging would be any better than serial console logging.
[15:53] <penguin42> benkay86: It shouldn't be, but there again we don't know why it's stopped
[15:54] <Tux414>  I have an acer aspire one D250-1417 and I am having trouble with making the built in microphone work on Ubuntu. Does anyone know how to fix this issue?
[15:54] <penguin42> benkay86: I just added the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ignore_loglevel netconsole=4444@192.168.66.33/eth0,514@192.168.66.25/00:a0:d1:63:68:a6"  to my /etc/default/grub.conf (add with your own IPs/mac's) and reran update-grub
[15:55] <videorechner> is there a boot option to keep nouveau from being loaded?
[15:55] <macha> Every time I boot my lucid install, I get two errors. One referencing /var/lib/gdm/.ICEAuthority and the other a gconf sanity check . Neither prevents the system booting, they're just dialogs that pop up.
[15:55] <gnomefreak> there is but i dont recall what it is
[15:55]  * penguin42 notes the smily in that line was actually a : d !
[15:55] <benkay86> penguin42: The issue is, the machine is headless. There is no monitor or keyboard plugged in, which I suspect is breaking something during boot.
[15:56] <penguin42> benkay86: Sure, I realise that
[15:56] <penguin42> benkay86: How did you install it - normal install CD? alternate ?
[15:56] <benkay86> penguin42: It's a server install, so the alternate CD by default.
[15:57] <benkay86> penguin42: I chrooted in and did an apt-get dist-upgrade, but I still can't boot :-(
[15:57] <penguin42> benkay86: OK, I doubt it's the lack of monitor
[15:57] <benkay86> Tux414: Try installing pavucontrol and tweaking it from there.
[15:57] <penguin42> and to be honest I doubt it's the lack of a keyboard/mouse either
[15:58] <penguin42> has it actually got a video card?
[15:58] <benkay86> penguin42: If it's not the lack of keyboard/mouse/monitor, then I would think booting would be broken for everyone!
[15:58] <benkay86> penguin42: Yes.
[15:58] <benkay86> videorehner: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=166624
[15:59] <Tux414> benkay86: Skype and empathy does not detect my microphone, but sound recorder detects it.
[15:59] <benkay86> penguin42: Apparently people have reported plymouth causing boot to fail when there is no monitor before. But that bug was allegedly fixed. Also, I tried disabling plymouth and that didn't help.
[16:00] <penguin42> benkay86: what grub command line are you passing to get your serial console?
[16:00] <benkay86> Tux414: Do you mean "detect" or "doesn't seem to record from"?
[16:00] <gnomefreak> billy2007: server install doesnt have plymouth
[16:00] <benkay86> gnomefreak: I can assure you it does.
[16:01] <penguin42> it's a bit grim if it does
[16:01] <benkay86> penguin42: Did everything exactly as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[16:01] <penguin42> benkay86: Want to pastebin your grub config?
[16:01] <Lajosward> So anyone found any exploits yet  other then the normal ones to close off and change
[16:01] <gnomefreak> benkay86: why would it? it is only used for GUI server lacks any GUI
[16:01] <Tux414> benkay86: it doesn't seem to work for skype or empathy. It works for sound recorder. It was clear and recorded with no issues.
[16:01] <videorechner> benkay86 thx Ill have a look at it
[16:02] <benkay86> gnomefreak: I tend to agree with you. I'm just reporting what's installed from the lucid-server beta iso.
[16:02] <benkay86> penguin42: Sure, give me a sec to boot the installer iso so I can access the files.
[16:03] <gnomefreak> benkay86: it is a recommends for ubuntu-standard you dont have to install recommends
[16:03] <penguin42> benkay86: Also I wonder what your /var/log/messages looks like - does it show you a smoking gun?
[16:03] <Lajosward> anyone here not familer with linux might want to get rkhunter
[16:03] <gnomefreak> remove plymouth if it is installed see if that helps
[16:03] <gnomefreak> Lajosward: that has nothing to do with support for Lucid
[16:03] <Lajosward> can download it from software center
[16:04] <penguin42> benkay86: Thing is if there is a 'monitor is there' type of boot problem people will hit that from things like switching on their monitor after they switch on their PC
[16:04] <gnomefreak> Lajosward: please stop.
[16:04] <benkay86> Tux414: I'm going to guess you are using pulseaudio. Install pavucontrol: "apt-get install pavucontrol". Then run it: "pavucontrol". Go to the "Input Devices" tab and let me know when you're there.
[16:04] <benkay86> penguin42: Touche.
[16:04] <benkay86> gnomefreak: I will give that a try.
[16:05] <penguin42> benkay86: I mean I have seen systems that screw up with no keyboard/mouse (although not tried on ubuntu)
[16:06] <benkay86> penguin42: Sometimes that happens with BIOS, but I'm actually able to see output from the kernel on /dev/ttyS0 during boot. It's init that's failing.
[16:06] <Tux414> benkay86: I am on input devices
[16:06] <penguin42> benkay86: It seems much more likely to me that something doesn't like serial console
[16:06] <Lajosward> so a program that helps secure your "lucid" system doesn 't fall in the section of support?
[16:07] <Lajosward> Sorry
[16:08] <benkay86> penguin42: ...but what?
[16:08] <penguin42> benkay86: Why don't you try network logging, turn serial console off and see if it boots?
[16:08] <Lajosward> I will refrain from doing so in the future
[16:09] <penguin42> benkay86: Or just try turning serial console off and see if it boots ?
[16:09] <benkay86> penguin42: Tried turning it off in GRUB, but no boot.
[16:10] <penguin42> hmm
[16:10] <benkay86> penguin42: Can try removing ttyS0.conf from /etc/init, although if that works, it will boot me into a system I can't access.
[16:10] <Lajosward> Well on a differnt
[16:10] <Lajosward> crap
[16:10] <penguin42> benkay86: tried using the serial console equivalent of alt-sysrq to see what's running?
[16:10] <Lajosward> different subject ... i am now able to get my workstations to 3
[16:11] <benkay86> penguin42: Is there such a thing?
[16:11] <Lajosward> still reseting with anything higher then 3
[16:12] <penguin42> benkay86: You should be able to send a break immediately followed by the command letter
[16:12] <penguin42> benkay86: Not tried it
[16:13] <penguin42> benkay86: 'h' should get you help 't' should get you a list of tasks
[16:13] <Lajosward> release still planed for the 29th?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> Lajosward: yes but we have to test the ISOs before we can release
[16:13] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, this was from a little while ago, but what java plugin are you using with Chromium?  I tried icedtea in a vm without success.
[16:14] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: open java 6
[16:15] <gnomefreak> openjdk-6-jre
[16:15] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: i dont recall if i had to copy it or not to chromium
[16:15] <benkay86> penguin42: Contents of /etc/default/grub: http://pastebin.com/1JwHgYmk
[16:16] <gnomefreak> it has been a while
[16:16] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, i have openjdk installed as well, but that isn't a browser plugin, icedtea is typically the openjdk web plugin
[16:16] <penguin42> chromium seems to pick stuff up from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[16:16] <Tux414> benkay86: i finished installing and opened it up.
[16:16] <gnomefreak> jre is the plugin
[16:16] <Lajosward> I seen that this is LTS is there a projected time frame that it will be serviced?
[16:17] <bazhang> !lts > Lajosward
[16:17] <gnomefreak> 3 years IIRC
[16:17] <Lajosward> ty
[16:17] <benkay86> Tux414: Great! In the "Input Devices" tab, near the bottom, there should be a monitor. Making noise in your mike should cause the monitor to show activity. If it doesn't, try chainging the microphone from the "Port:" dropdown menu until it does.
[16:17] <ZykoticK9> Lajosward, 5 years on servers ;)
[16:18] <Lajosward> I see that.. Thats great
[16:19] <Lajosward> Ok not sure if this question fits here
[16:19] <benkay86> Tux414: Any luck there?
[16:20] <bazhang> Lajosward, then try #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <Lajosward> i am useing ccsm and wrokstations will not go over 3 is that a lucid or ccsm communication problem with lucid?
[16:20] <Lajosward> workstations*
[16:21] <benkay86> gnomefreak: Removing plymouth seems to make apt angry. Now it wants to remove my kernel, e2fsprogs, and util-linux as well.
[16:21] <benkay86> gnomefreak: So I guess I won't try to remove plymouth.
[16:21] <benkay86> gnomefreak: Note: plymouth-x11 is not installed.
[16:22] <benkay86> penguin42: On an unrelated issue, that /etc/default/grub doesn't actually display the grub menu on the serial console.
[16:22] <gnomefreak> ok that is odd :( i was able to remove it a while ago without a problem
[16:23] <gnomefreak> it wants to remove everything here as well
[16:23] <benkay86> gnomefreak: :-( indeed
[16:23] <benkay86> gnomefreak: Do you have the ability to replicate my setup (i.e. setup serial console, unplug monitor and keyboard, and see if you can still boot)?
[16:23] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: i also have icedtea6-plugin installed
[16:24] <gnomefreak> benkay86: no i have too much going on at least till juneish
[16:24] <gnomefreak> hoping i can get away in june
[16:24] <benkay86> gnomefreak: Cool. It's a lot of work, after all.
[16:24] <Tux414> benkay86: no luck so far
[16:24] <gnomefreak> yep it is
[16:25] <gnomefreak> benkay86: try disabling plymouth without removing it
[16:25] <benkay86> Tux414: What options are listed under the Port drop-down menu.
[16:25] <benkay86> gnomefreak: Already tried that by removing plymouth* from /etc/init. Didn't help.
[16:25] <penguin42> benkay86: Did you rebuild your initramfs not to include plymouth?
[16:26] <gnomefreak> benkay86: i see other ways but i dont see that way
[16:26] <gnomefreak> hold on let me pastebin what i have
[16:26] <benkay86> No -- what would I have to adjust before running "update-initramfs -u"?
[16:27] <Tux414> benkay86: all input devices, all except monitors, hardware input devices, virtual input devices, and monitors. I tried each one and had no sound with any of them.
[16:27] <gnomefreak> benkay86: http://paste.ubuntu.com/409104/  ok now im off to eat lunch and hit the store
[16:29] <Lajosward> So no ideas on what side the problem is on?
[16:29] <penguin42> benkay86: Not sure, but /etc/init is only read after you're out of initramfs
[16:30] <benkay86> penguin42: My point exactly :-(
[16:31] <benkay86> Tux414: For example, I see "Microphone 1", "Microphone 2", and "Docking Station Input". In my case, "Microphone 2" is the internal mic and yelling into it causes the grey bar at the bottom of the screen to have blue in it.
[16:32] <benkay86> Tux414: Have you tried muting and un-muting the mics from pavucontrol (the little speaker icon with the x in it)?
[16:32] <benkay86> Tux414: Also, is skype configure to use pulseaudio?
[16:32] <Tux414> benkay86: it only shows one microphone. It's built in.
[16:32] <penguin42> benkay86: Having said that the things in your output about init-bottom done look like the last scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools anyway
[16:33] <CQ> hello, I upgraded to 10.04 two weeks ago, and now the machine (vm in virtualbox, ubuntu host as well) just hangs at the Ubuntu 10.04 graphic with the 4 dots that keep cycling... alt-f1 doesn't get me to a logon prompt. Any ideas on how to fix the install?
[16:33] <penguin42> benkay86: OK, here's one for you - what's supposed to start a getty on the serial these days?
[16:33] <benkay86> penguin42: I know! It's like everything in initramfs works but then init doesn't start!
[16:33] <benkay86> penguin42: Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[16:34] <benkay86> penguin42: Basically, copy /etc/init/tty1 to /etc/init/ttyS0 and then adjust appropriately.
[16:34] <benkay86> penguin42: I'm thinking I may remove /etc/init/ttyS0, remove the serial kernel command line, unplug the serial port, and see if the hard drive LED suggests we are booting all the way.
[16:35] <penguin42> benkay86: OK, so yeh the ttyS0.conf was what I was wondering about
[16:35] <penguin42> benkay86: Does it ping?
[16:35] <benkay86> penguin42: Right, sorry. ttys0.conf, not ttyS0
[16:35] <Tux414> benkay86: skype is already configured.
[16:35] <penguin42> benkay86: Well that's actually got a capital S but I don't think it matters
[16:35] <benkay86> Tux414: I guess you could try messing around with alsamixer, although pavucontrol is supposed to do that to you...
[16:36] <benkay86> penguin42: Correct again. I need to type slower ;-)
[16:36] <penguin42> benkay86: Me too!
[16:36] <benkay86> penguin42: Anyhoo, no way to to ping the machine since it's not on a LAN at the moment.
[16:36] <Tux414> benkay86: I tried that and no luck.
[16:37] <benkay86> Tux414: I'm afraid you're over my head, then :-(
[16:37] <penguin42> benkay86: So what about /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon.log ?
[16:37] <Tux414> benkay86: it's ok, thank you for all of your help.
[16:37] <Tux414> benkay86: i had the same problem in 9.10.
[16:37] <Tux414> *on
[16:39] <benkay86> pepenguin42: (Nothing has been logged yet.)
[16:39] <benkay86> *penguin42
[16:39] <penguin42> benkay86: Weird!
[16:39]  * benkay86 Needs to wear mittens or something!
[16:39] <Kano> hmm the new ubuntu is really weird, when you have got a wireless card but you did not enter a pw for it
[16:40] <penguin42> benkay86: That's almost like it's not mounting the root fs properly
[16:40] <Kano> wel for a wireless network in range, then wnck-applet is started automatically (when autologin is used)
[16:40] <Kano> and you can not even abort it as the keyboard is dead...
[16:42] <benkay86> penguin42: And thus... coincidence that boot hangs right after checking the root fs?
[16:42] <penguin42> benkay86: Problem is it's a bit like debug via telepathy!  It's difficult to know what it's doing
[16:43] <Some_Person> Is there a way to make ubuntu use the left side of my broken 1280x800 LCD as if it was an 850x800 display (ignoring everything to the right)?
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> you guys read this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-March/030509.html ?
[16:43] <BUGa_vacations> we better keep up with that list so we can anwser some users questions
[16:44] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: It probably makes sense - if you can't build from source
[16:44] <mfraz74> what's happening with xaralx then?
[16:46] <penguin42> BUGa_vacations: Although I can see a handful people are going to have problems with; I guess there are smalltalk people still who will mourn gnu-smalltalk, lustre I think there's a cult for somewhere, and it's a pity about xaralx
[16:46] <BUGa_vacations> vnc4-common
[16:46] <BUGa_vacations> vnc4server
[16:47] <BUGa_vacations> its still used by a lot of ppl
[16:47] <BUGa_vacations> xvnc4viewer
[16:47] <mfraz74> it's as close as I can get to the original Artworks on Ubuntu
[16:48] <penguin42> mfraz74: It never seemed particularly complete to me though - I hadn't tried it recently but it was kind of released and never quite put back together
[16:49] <mfraz74> penguin42: true. Suppose I can always use Artworks with rpcemu
[16:51] <benkay86> penguin42: My aforementioned plan produced no new results. So I presume it most be that lack of keyboard/monitor and not presence of ttyS0 that is causing the problem.
[16:52] <penguin42> benkay86: Hmm, well plug one in at a time - I'm still suspicious!
[16:53] <penguin42> benkay86: If the system doesn't boot without k/m/m then someone is going to have  a big surprise when they have a rack full of servers power back on for the 1st time after installation
[16:54] <pronik> Hi guys, I've updated my lucid installation a couple of minutes ago and now something weird happens somewhere between grub kernel and plymouth
[16:54] <benkay86> penguin42: No kidding! And yet if I report this as a bug, I bet wouldn't even get triaged until after beta 2 is released!
[16:54] <pronik> symptoms: first boot leads to reboot somewhere at grub initialization
[16:54] <pronik> after that the system hangs at the same stage
[16:54] <penguin42> benkay86: Can you plug a keyboard/mouse in?
[16:54] <pronik> thinkpad x200s, intel graphics
[16:55] <pronik> any known regressions about that?
[16:55] <benkay86> penguin42: No. I'll probably go buy one later today.
[16:55] <penguin42> pronik: Don't think so
[16:55] <chazco> Anyone know how to configure a touchscreen now that HAL has been removed?
[16:56] <penguin42> benkay86: I'd still bet against that being the problem, can you get it on a network?
[16:57] <penguin42> benkay86: What does your /etc/fstab look like?
[16:59] <benkay86> penguin42: The usual. I also tried replacing the stupid UUIDs with references to /dev/sdaX.
[17:01] <penguin42> benkay86: Did you try the sysrq stuff?
[17:01] <benkay86> penguin42: Not yet. If I can get it to work, what key should I send over?
[17:02] <penguin42> benkay86: 't' should give you a list of all tasks running
[17:02] <toh192> t
[17:02] <penguin42> benkay86: Depends which terminal you are using as to how you send the break
[17:03] <pronik> penguin42: damn, I suck :) Never leave an SD card in the slot while booting, it's pretty much invisible.... :-/
[17:03] <penguin42> pronik: Haha yes
[17:03] <pronik> I just wonder why it lead to weird rebooting and stuff, but that's a completely different question...
[17:04] <Some_Person> Now I need to figure out how I can hook this laptop into the TV later without my dad noticing the broken screen
[17:05] <penguin42> haha
[17:06] <Some_Person> (don't worry, it's not really deception-and-live-with-it. I will pay for a new screen)
[17:07] <almoxarife> for the powers that be, please share this link http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Wubi_9.10 with anyone with a wubi/lucid install, as expected the wubi/grub2 bug crashed my grub2 loader again on upgrade of the current kernel of lucid and I would expect other wubi/lucid users to be complaining of the same, this fix is 100% reliable and stupid simple, thnks
[17:07] <almoxarife> almoxarife: yes, it works with lucid
[17:08] <benkay86> penguin42: sysrq has absolutely no effect :-(
[17:08] <penguin42> benkay86: How are you sending the break?
[17:09] <benkay86> Ctrl+A followed by Ctrl+B followed by a key (such as 't' to show tasks). I'm using screen.
[17:10] <benkay86> penguin42: *
[17:10] <penguin42> benkay86: The only other thing I can suggest is netconsole, or hook a monitor up
[17:10] <benkay86> penguin42: Indeed, I will attempt to buy a monitor and keyboard today so that I can prove that this bug exists and is tied to the former.
[17:11] <benkay86> penguin42: Actually, it's funny to think I've been using Hardy on my server for 3 years and never owned a monitor or keyboard :-)
[17:11] <penguin42> benkay86: Haha, yeh well you should be able to do that
[17:12] <benkay86> penguin42: Should >-(
[17:12] <penguin42> benkay86: Fortunately most data centres at least have a monitor/keyboard on a trolly for such situations
[17:13] <benkay86> penguin42: Yeah, but they'll still be very upset if they upgrade to Lucid and headless doesn't work.
[17:13] <penguin42> yep
[17:16] <Some_Person> If I use an old CRT monitor to set things up (640x480, positioned to the right of the laptop), and then plug it into my TV, will it just work?
[17:16] <penguin42> depends on the TV
[17:17] <penguin42> a TV with VGA input will probably take it, other TVs often need special mode settings
[17:17] <Some_Person> It's actually a cheap VGA to S-Video converter
[17:17] <penguin42> oh well then that depends how cheap it is :-)
[17:18] <Some_Person> $34?
[17:18] <penguin42> I mean how smart it is about what it will let the input look like
[17:19] <Some_Person> ubuntu is unable to detect (without intervention) if there's anything plugged into the external out
[17:20] <Some_Person> I'm just hoping the converter will take what was sent to the CRT
[17:28] <Some_Person> How can I move notify-osd out of the broken section of my screen?
[17:35] <kelopez> oh hai :)
[17:36] <TNA5000> does anyone know how i can get hulu working on ubuntu 10.04 64bit? I've been searching around and not getting anywhere, i keep getting the following error from hulu: "Unable to stream videos to your system, this maybe due to an adobe software limitation on 64-bit linux systems"
[17:37] <ananas>  i installed lucid lynx beta 1.. it looks GOOD.. but after and update the loginscreen has become low res and ugly.. how do i fix this?
[17:37] <ananas> an update
[17:38] <ananas> the screen before login... bootscreen maybe it is called
[17:38] <kelopez> bootsplash?
[17:38] <ananas> i guess
[17:38] <kelopez> it shows text?
[17:38] <ananas> with the dots
[17:38] <kelopez> or a graphic'
[17:39] <kelopez> ?*
[17:39] <ananas> purple graphics
[17:39] <kelopez> ah, for me only showed text and the dots and a ureadahead error
[17:39] <ananas> with dots.. they used to animate befor update. but now static
[17:41] <Sarvatt> ananas: echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
[17:41] <Sarvatt> ananas:  then sudo update-initramfs -u
[17:42] <ananas> ok
[17:44] <ananas> thanks.. will try a reboot now
[17:44] <tininek> hi, im trying to install lucid, but i get no connections: Wired network: disconnected, Wireless Network (intel 3945) disabled,Wireless Network (SMC usb2.0 wlan) disabled
[17:44] <tininek> im doing it from a lucid beta 1 usb intall
[17:45] <tininek> how could I bring up the connections?
[17:47] <tininek> the ubiquity install button does nothing also, so I dont know what to do, I wanted to try to update ubiquity at least from internet
[17:48] <cresuso> Hey
[17:48] <cresuso> I have problem with uploading an avi movie
[17:48] <cresuso> on this website http://www.dailymotion.com/onestep
[17:49] <cresuso> it works perfectly on windows
[17:49] <ananas> Sarvatt: Now the bootsplash was pure text and no graphics..
[17:49] <cresuso> but here it won't
[17:49] <chorse> Has anybody a working setup for mplayer and vdpau? I get no video, just sound when using vdpau vo.
[17:50] <ananas> it is really no big deal for me. but id like to have that nice splash i got right after installation
[17:51] <Hammeh> I never got a graphical splash on my 10.04 install
[17:52] <Kano> chorse: did you compile it correctly
[17:53] <chorse> Kano: I use the shipped package.
[17:53] <Kano> no good idea
[17:53] <chorse> mplayer -vo help says vdpau was available.
[17:54] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/mplayer-svn-snapshot.txt
[17:54] <Kano> run that script as root to get latest mplayer
[17:54] <ananas> Hammeh: Not even when you boot live from the CD?
[17:55] <Hammeh> No, i just get a coloured screen with some text on it
[17:55] <Kano> chorse: are you sure that you installed the nv driver correctly?
[17:55] <toogreen> Hi there. im installing UNR on my dell mini atm.. I can't seem to find the app to switch from netbook to classic desktop mode... is it still available in Lucid?
[17:55] <ananas> probably the same sa i got now
[17:55] <ananas> same i got now
[17:55] <chorse> Kano: I am. nvidia-settings and anything else works correctly.
[17:56] <cresuso> Can someone help please?
[17:57] <Hammeh> Yeah i think it is just a pre-release thing that will be added in later
[17:57] <Kano> chorse: nvidia-settings does not show anything if vdpau works or not
[17:57] <ananas> hope so
[17:57] <Some_Person> Why is it impossible to move notify-osd out of the right side of the screen?
[17:58] <Kano> cresuso: which card is it? did you try vdpinfo
[17:58] <om26er> sometimes my screen blinks madly
[17:58] <cresuso> you mean which network card Kano ?
[17:58] <Kano> err chorse i mean
[17:59] <Stik> I'm really liking this 10.04 I may make the switch..
[17:59] <deanus> toogreen, it vanished from karmic, so im not sure if its come back for lucid..
[17:59] <cresuso> well
[17:59] <Hammeh> stik: I know me two :D
[17:59] <cresuso> is it possible to swithc to 9.10 ?
[17:59] <Kano> chorse: http://people.freedesktop.org/~aplattner/vdpau/vdpauinfo-0.0.6.tar.gz
[17:59] <chorse> Kano: It's a nvidia ion gpu which officially supports vdpau.
[18:00] <ananas> is it possible to have a firewire sound interface as the default audio device in ubuntu?
[18:00] <toogreen> deanus: oh... didn't know that.. I was still running Jaunty on my dell mini.. that's a shame.. im not sure i want to run in Netbook mode all the time :-(
[18:00] <Kano> chorse: ./configure && make && ./vdpauinfo
[18:00] <Kano> check it
[18:00] <cresuso> OK
[18:00] <chorse> Kano: I will, thank you.
[18:00] <cresuso> So is it possible to swithc back to 9.10 ?
[18:00] <ananas> the interface is supported by ffado
[18:01] <Hammeh> cresuso: from 10.04?
[18:01] <om26er> any one facing blinking screen too?
[18:01] <cresuso> yes
[18:01] <Hammeh> I don't think so, you'd have to do a clean install i think
[18:01] <cresuso> damn
[18:02] <cresuso> i ain't 9.10 dvd i
[18:02] <cresuso> well im out
[18:02] <cresuso> bye all
[18:02] <Hammeh> Cya
[18:05] <chorse> Kano: Compiled an run the tool, output: http://nopaste.info/18659d4a89.html
[18:05] <Kano> looks good
[18:05] <Kano> vdpau works with latest mplayer, just test my script
[18:06] <Kano> be sure you reset your ~/.mplayer/config
[18:06] <Kano> you may not use some vf
[18:06] <Kano> my script has got some example configs
[18:06] <chorse> I'll check it out, thank you very much.
[18:06] <Kano> do not use vf
[18:10] <chorse> your script and config helped me, it's running now.
[18:10] <costre> chorse mplayer+smplayer with vdpau is awesome. Running 1080p videos get at most 50% cpu
[18:11] <costre> On my core2duo 2.4 GHz
[18:12] <chorse> i know, costre, but it didn't work in mplayer, then it cannot work in smplayer. i'll install vmplayer later ;)
[18:17] <ananas> what is this? in some webpages i get a black or grey field across the site blinking
[18:17] <costre> speaking of which, since I decided to run GIMPS, my cpu is always at 100%. The temperature is about 75 degrees C. Dangerously high?
[18:17] <ananas> in firefox that is
[18:18] <penguin42> costre: Depends on the CPU, some of them are fine with that at the CPU itself
[18:19] <costre> penguin42, I guess I'll know if it shuts down on me
[18:20] <costre> ananas, I have experienced that too. Not anymore, though.
[18:21] <costre> Can't say what did it :/
[18:21] <ananas> ok
[18:21] <costre> is it when flash is presented at the page?
[18:21] <costre> Oh, yes
[18:21] <costre> It's the marker for the keyboard :)
[18:22] <costre> Click elsewhere and it will disappear
[18:22] <ananas> hm... all over the screen?
[18:22] <costre> If that part of the html is that big yes
[18:22] <ananas> strang bug
[18:22] <ananas> strange
[18:22] <costre> It's not a bug really. You can browse the page like a word processor
[18:23] <costre> it should be optional of couyrse
[18:23] <ananas> it was really no text inputfields on the page
[18:23] <costre> which it probably is
[18:23] <costre> did it help?
[18:23] <ananas> i left the site
[18:24] <ananas> dont know but i will keep it in mind when it reappears
[18:24] <ananas> thanks
[18:24] <costre> np
[18:24] <ananas> costre: is it short for cosa nostre? :oP
[18:25] <costre> ananas, It's been with me since -94 I believe. Short for costermonger :)
[18:26] <costre> My old BBS nick
[18:26] <ananas> :o)
[18:27] <ananas> i installed a iscan version for my epson stylus sx105. do i need to restart to get it working?
[18:35] <robert__> i'm having screen flickering issues. every few minutes or so it flickers, don't know why. figured its probably the graphics card
[18:36] <robert__> i have a GMA 4500MHD
[18:36] <robert__> its intel mobile 4
[18:36] <robert__> is there a fix? or soon to be one?
[18:37] <chorse> costre: 10% CPU for 1080p on my Atom 330 ;)
[18:44] <Turl> hello
[18:44] <Turl> can you confirm this bug report and set a high priority? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/555262
[18:45] <Turl> it's quite a job-blocker, you need to stop your music player to copy files :/
[18:45] <Kano> robert__: does it flicker when: xrandr is executed
[18:45] <robert__> Kano, i don't know what xandr is
[18:46] <Kano> just execute it
[18:46] <DanaG> x resize-and-rotate -- that's what xrandr stands for.
[18:53] <robert__> Kano, no it didn't then
[18:53] <robert__> brb
[18:55] <costre> chorse, Atom? Is it a netbook?
[18:57] <chorse> costre: No, I use it on my green desktop.
[18:57] <costre> What kind of nvidia card is it?
[18:59] <robert__> back
[18:59] <costre> Not that I'd know too much about it ... Last time I had a good idea of different cards and brands thy were called Riva TNT2 or Voodoo2 :D
[18:59] <chorse> costre: onboard, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)
[19:00] <costre> I thought vdpau was nvidia only
[19:01] <Kano> chorse: do you use 2 screens?
[19:03] <chorse> Kano: No, a single one with 1920x1080
[19:03] <Kano> chorse: did you try my script?
[19:04] <chorse> Kano: Yeah, as I said, it's working now, thank you
[19:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/539609
[19:04] <DanaG> hmm, intel gpu...
[19:04] <DanaG> try booting with i915.powersave=0
[19:04] <chorse> costre was just a bit interested in my setup
[19:05] <DanaG> I've gone back to radon open-source drivers... the hang on suspend/resume with fglrx was a deal-breaker for me.
[19:05] <DanaG> oh, and trying hl2dm under Wine with that fglrx version, caused a GPU hang.
[19:12] <Kano> costre: 50% cpu usage with vdpau is not normal, i guess your mplayer is not configured correctly when you use smplayer
[19:15] <totem-browser-pl> hi all, the totem browser plugin works G.R.E.A.T. but one thing is bad: everytime i want to watch a movie with it, the volume is turned off, i have to turn it back on 100%. firefox: 3.6.3, totem browser plugin: 2.30.0, os: xubuntu 10.04
[19:17] <jemark> totem-browser-pl, i have the same... i use VLC player instead with mediapluginconnectivity plugin
[19:17] <totem-browser-pl> where can i get media... plugin?
[19:17] <jemark> totem-browser-pl,  it's a firefox add on
[19:17] <[diablo]> afternoon guys
[19:18] <[diablo]> question.... sometimes certain packages vanish ... for example brasero , I had to manually install it... is there a general package, such as ubuntu-desktop that can be installed to ensure the entire base and its deps are present and correct?
[19:20] <totem-browser-pl> it's usually in synaptic
[19:21] <Nattgew> ubuntu- desktop will install the main ubuntu desktop apps, but if packages "disappear", then it might not help
[19:21] <guntbert> [diablo]: brasero is no dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[19:22] <gabspeck> hey everyone
[19:22] <gabspeck> i'm using 9.10 and want to upgrade to 10.04 beta 1, but update-manager -d does nothing for me
[19:23] <Kano> did you try: sudo sed -i s/karmic/lucid/g /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:23] <guntbert> !lucid | gabspeck
[19:24] <guntbert> Kano: thats not supported - so please don't suggest it
[19:24] <Nattgew> I upgraded to lucid, and now I can't log in. I type username and password and then it just sits with the gsm background. any suggestions to fix it?
[19:25] <gabspeck> yes; that's what I thought, the update manager treats a lot of upgrade situations
[19:25] <kjele> gabspeck: in your /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades does it say prompt=normal?
[19:25] <gabspeck> yup
[19:25] <Kano> well better fix the kubuntu installer in manual mode
[19:25] <Kano> bye
[19:25] <gabspeck> prompt witha a capital P actually
[19:26] <kjele> gabspeck: If you are really sure you are on karmic then try another mirror and update the mirror list
[19:27] <gabspeck> hmm good point. I'm using the BR mirror
[19:27] <gabspeck> where does it fetch new releases information from btw?
[19:27] <kjele> gabspeck: From the mirror. But not all mirrors have the new release
[19:28] <gabspeck> yeah that makes sense
[19:28] <gabspeck> the brazilian mirror tends to be terribly outdated..
[19:29] <FFForever> I have a webserver running on localhost firefox renders things with black lines and things, but if I put 127.0.0.1 it renders fine
[19:29] <kjele> Nattgew: Can you login into single mode?
[19:30] <Nattgew> how do I do that?
[19:31] <kjele> Nattgew: After the bios image hold down shift key then navigate to recovery mode
[19:32] <Nattgew> no, there are no TTY logins, same as with normal boot
[19:34] <kjele> Nattgew: You use ati?
[19:35] <Nattgew> no, intel
[19:35] <kjele> Nattgew: And you do not get any menu where you can select root login?
[19:36] <Nattgew> I get gdm with normal kernel, no terminal login with any kernel
[19:38] <gabspeck> hmm, update-manager -d doesn't work, but do-release-upgrade -d does
[19:38] <kjele> Nattgew: And if you press ctrl + alt + f1 does it change to the terminal?
[19:38] <Nattgew> yeah, same one I get fro
[19:38] <Nattgew> recovery mode
[19:39] <kjele> And you can login to there?
[19:39] <Nattgew> no, it just says something about mountall Plymouth, no login
[19:40] <kjele> Nattgew: Then go to another tty f2 or f3
[19:40] <Nattgew> they just have blinking cursors
[19:41] <kjele> Nattgew: press enter?
[19:41] <Nattgew> does nothing
[19:43] <kjele> Nattgew: Too bad the system is borked. You might try to chroot into the system with a live cd and do an upgrade in there.
[19:44] <Nattgew> I'm booting a cd now... what would you suggest I do? it upgraded fine but on reboot I've got problems
[19:45] <kjele> Nattgew: I suggest you wait for the final release before you upgrade
[19:46] <Nattgew> yeah, may have been better
[19:46] <BadHorsie> What hardsare Nattgew ?
[19:47] <BadHorsie> *hardware even
[19:47] <Nattgew> it's a Dell inspiron laptop
[19:48] <roey_> hi
[19:49] <roey_> I have a Dell Inspiron 1564 here and I can't get wireless working; I thought the Broadcom STA driver would work but I don't see anything with iwlist eth1 scan.... can anyone help me?
[19:49] <roey_> James147, hola de nuevo ;)
[19:50] <James147> roey_: ^^
[19:50] <James147> roey_: hey
[19:50] <roey_> :)
[19:50] <roey_> hey hey
[19:51] <roey_> so, still the same issue, even after having updated and rebooted.
[19:55] <roey_> I have a Dell Inspiron 1564 here and I can't get wireless working; I thought the Broadcom STA driver would work but I don't see anything with iwlist eth1 scan.... can anyone help me?
[19:55] <Blue-Omega> /mode $me +w
[19:55] <Blue-Omega> bla
[19:57] <chorse> roey_: Have you disabled Wifi via a switcher?
[20:00] <deanus> roey_, my wifi being enabled at bootup or not is very hit and miss.. have to reboot, maybe more than once, to get it to work
[20:02] <Nattgew> sounds like my Bluetooth
[20:03] <markl_> does 10.04 have a 1.44 boot floppy available?
[20:04] <markl_> i'm loading on a system with a usb cdrom but the bios won't boot from it
[20:04]  * deanus introduces markl_ to the usb revolution
[20:05] <markl_> deanus: heh yeah it's an old server
[20:05] <deanus> markl_,  ah..  theres a way to boot an iso but ive never done it..
[20:06] <roey_> chorse, afaik the wireless has been [x] enable'd through KDE's menu
[20:06] <roey_> deanus, I simply don't get this :(
[20:06] <markl_> the old school floppy boot is easiest, if distros still do this
[20:07] <chorse> roey_: some laptops have a hardware switch for wifi
[20:13] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: markl_ I have! from grub2
[20:14] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: markl_ http://p.bugabundo.net/booting-grub2-from-an-iso-in-hd
[20:14] <crowni> hi all
[20:18] <skyjumper> anyone else having screensaver issues?
[20:19] <skyjumper> few weeks ago the screensaver started appearing during a full-screen mplayer
[20:19] <skyjumper> also is stuck on "random" when i have "blank screen" selected in the prefs
[20:29] <artisan> hi
[20:30] <artisan> anyone tried wesnoth on lucid already?
[20:30] <artisan> for me it seem there is simply no startable binary o.O
[20:30] <artisan> can anyone confirm?
[20:32] <chorse> artisan: not even in /usr/games ?
[20:33] <artisan> chorse: in /usr/games for sure, but there are only scripts starting the wesnoth binary
[20:33] <chorse> i haven't installed it here
[20:34] <artisan> so you can't confirm then :)
[20:34] <chorse> i can in 226MB
[20:36] <artisan> yay :)
[20:38] <chorse> artisan: starts normally here
[20:39] <artisan> chorse: what does 'which wesnoth' spit out?
[20:39] <chorse> chorse@fingolfin:~$ which wesnoth
[20:39] <chorse> /usr/games/wesnoth
[20:40] <artisan> ah, d'oh ..
[20:40] <chorse> which is a binary file
[20:41] <chorse> no idea why it's a script in your installation
[20:41] <artisan> I expected the bin to be in /usr/bin and tried the wesnoth-nolog (which is the comand used in the menu entry) and that just launches wesnoth (with no path), strangely my usr seemed not to be in games group ..
[20:41] <artisan> thanx for clearification chorse !!
[20:41] <chorse> you
[20:41] <tininek> hi
[20:41] <chorse> 're welcome
[20:41] <artisan> :)
[20:42] <tininek> whats the best way to upgrade from karmic to lucid?
[20:42] <crimsun> do-release-upgrade -d
[20:44] <tininek> do i need to change sources.list? crimsun
[20:44] <joaopinto> no, do-release-upgrade will take care of that
[20:45] <AnxiousNut> I've heard that netbook remix would have an applet that would let us change into desktop mode easily, is it true, when will it be added? using lucid remix beta
[20:46] <ananas> i use a driver from my ISP to get internet access. this is working fine. just after installing it i was able to connect to my Empathy accounts even i did not connect with NWM. now this is not possible any more. is this possible to fix?
[20:46] <ananas> i use a chmotech modem
[20:47] <deanus> BUGa_vacations,   I tried your method but I get error file not found, load kernel first.
[20:47] <crimsun> AnxiousNut: "desktop mode"?
[20:47] <deanus> BUGa_vacations, http://pastebin.com/gm6eUaiJ
[20:47] <deanus> my /dump mount is sda7 so hd0,7 is right isnt it?
[20:48] <crimsun> AnxiousNut: if you have both ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-netbook installed, you can choose either a 2D or a 3D session from the Session menu in gdm
[20:48] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: you are trying the second method right?
[20:48] <deanus> BUGa_vacations, 40_custom yes
[20:49] <AnxiousNut> and will that change it from netbook launcher to desktop?
[20:50] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: actauly no
[20:50] <BUGa_vacations> sda7 is 6
[20:50] <deanus> BUGa_vacations,  damn.. i thought grub2 used them as 1st partition is 1 etc etc
[20:50] <BUGa_vacations> hummm beats me
[20:51] <deanus> ok i`ll try it
[20:51] <deanus> brb
[20:53] <deanus> nope..
[20:54] <yofel> actually, grub2 uses; sda1 == hd0.1 very intuitive isn't it
[20:56] <BUGa_vacations> yep
[20:56] <GrimmVarg> hey, anybody struggeling with xbmc on lucid?
[20:56] <BUGa_vacations> shouldn't it be hd1.1 ?
[20:56] <BUGa_vacations> lol
[20:57] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: not really, they thought just using the same number bug mapping a=0... should be fine...
[20:57] <yofel> s/bug/but
[20:57] <BUGa_vacations> consistence ?
[20:58] <yofel> don't ask me...
[20:59] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: no idea why that doesn't work
[20:59] <BUGa_vacations> my setup works fine for me
[21:04] <deanus> try again
[21:06] <BUGa_vacations> some one with more knowledge of grub then me
[21:06] <BUGa_vacations> I just read that blog, and the foruns, and hacked it a bit
[21:07] <BUGa_vacations> aaahhh
[21:07] <BUGa_vacations> I see your error
[21:07] <BUGa_vacations> and he left
[21:13] <deanus> grub2 hates me
[21:13] <deanus> no such file, no such disk, load kernel first.
[21:14] <BUGa_vacations> (2010-04-04 21:06:18) freenode: some one with more knowledge of grub then me
[21:14] <BUGa_vacations> (2010-04-04 21:06:35) freenode: I just read that blog, and the foruns, and hacked it a bit
[21:14] <BUGa_vacations> (2010-04-04 21:07:10) freenode: aaahhh
[21:14] <BUGa_vacations> (2010-04-04 21:07:15) freenode: I see your error
[21:14] <BUGa_vacations> (2010-04-04 21:07:25) freenode: and he left
[21:15] <BUGa_vacations> deanus: you are trying to boot from a image that you assume its like ubuntu
[21:15] <BUGa_vacations> but using clonezilla
[21:15] <Dracofodder> is there a quick list of applications being included in the ubuntu 10.4 release?  I am looking to see if Seamonkey will be more prominently included, rather than Firefox.  After all the problems I've had with Firefox not working out of the box, whereas seamonkey has been relatively flawless, I would like to know what pain I look forward to when I upgrade.
[21:16] <Hammeh> I can't imagine them not including firefox tbh
[21:16] <BUGa_vacations> Dracofodder: mind telling us one of those bugs?
[21:16] <Dracofodder> sure.. easy thing.. and stupid in some ways..
[21:16] <Dracofodder> go into facebook, try playing a flash game..
[21:17] <Hammeh> in firefox?
[21:17] <Dracofodder> example poker, you dont get menu options,and it locks up all the time
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> sorry,  I wasn't clear
[21:17] <Dracofodder> same same with seamonky.. no issue
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> a LAUNCHPAD filed bug
[21:17] <Dracofodder> or if you go to youtube, you cannot play embedded video in FF, but seamonkey is fine
[21:17] <deanus> BUGa_vacations, Im booting from lucid iso, but both give me the same error.
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> don't have FB
[21:17] <Hammeh> I don't have flash installed thought
[21:17] <Hammeh> though*
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> and youtube works fine for me
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> both 32bits and 64bits
[21:17] <BUGa_vacations> and html5 in chromium
[21:18] <Dracofodder> yea, considering seamonkey is based on firefox mozilla.. I was surprised at the difference.
[21:18] <Dracofodder> and I conat find anythign in the plugins aor add ons that are different between the two..
[21:18] <Volkodav> how do you set up mms in chromium ?
[21:19] <Dracofodder> so was hoping the ubuntu 10.4 would include seamonkey it it distri installs so I dont ahve to go to their site and get a build manually.
[21:20] <Hammeh> is it not in the repo's?
[21:20] <Dracofodder> it is, but outdated, with security problems
[21:20] <Hammeh> you could package it for us all =p
[21:20] <BUGa_vacations> Volkodav: MMS?
[21:20] <Volkodav> yes
[21:21] <Dracofodder> hmm, if I knew where to do that, I would..
[21:21] <BUGa_vacations> Dracofodder: please join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask in there.
[21:21] <BUGa_vacations> I _think_ gnomefreak deals with it
[21:21] <Dracofodder> ok, thanks! BUGa_vacations
[21:21] <Dracofodder> will try that avenue.
[21:21] <Hammeh> It always takes me a day or two to get firefox set up properly but then its fine lol
[21:22] <BUGa_vacations> Hammeh: and I've been carring the same profile for so many years from even the time I used wind
[21:22] <Hammeh> sweet
[21:22] <Hammeh> Mine always seem to break when i upgrade to the latest ubuntu release!
[21:23] <deanus> BUGa_vacations, nevermind, Ive got my 16gig multiboot iso usb stick :)
[21:24] <Volkodav> hmm - my chromium still uses flash on youtube
[21:24] <BUGa_vacations> Hammeh: I always run daily ppa
[21:24] <BUGa_vacations> best recepy to not break on releases
[21:24] <BUGa_vacations> Volkodav: not for me
[21:24] <BUGa_vacations> youtube.com/html5
[21:25] <topyli> i wonder why the gwibber entry in the indicator applet keeps saying "set up broadcast account..." even though i already have four. how many should i have before it's happy?
[21:25] <Hammeh> ah thanks, i'll have to give it a go =p
[21:25] <Hammeh> I like the new purple colour scheme, much better than brown!
[21:26] <deanus> dont like radiance tho, knackers my eyes yp
[21:26] <deanus> mm ambiance ftw
[21:26] <deanus> and velvet noise grey/blueish wallpaper
[21:28] <topyli> yeah radiance is rather bright
[21:28] <Hammeh> Yeah
[21:28] <Volkodav> hmm html5 won't start though
[21:29] <BUGa_vacations> Volkodav: got chromium-codecs.extra?
[21:29] <Volkodav> think so
[21:29] <Volkodav> lemee check
[21:29] <deanus> http://imagebin.org/91623 shmexy
[21:45] <Hammeh> my remote desktop is seriously messed up when i connect to 10.04
[21:47] <Hammeh> oh my bad, screen resolution is just wrong lol
[21:56] <avis> anyone know if the ubuntu-audio-dev will work on 64 bit lucid installs ?
[21:56] <avis> the alsa modules
[21:56] <avis> i feel like seeing if i can migrate to 64 bit without issue
[21:57] <yofel> avis: the ppa? just check if there are 64 packages on the ppa page
[21:57] <avis> will do
[21:57] <avis> its a real life saver for me
[21:58] <avis> hmm, it doesn't reference any architecture
[21:58] <penguin42> avis: Other than the occasional bug pretty much every thing we have source to works on both 32 and 64; some plugins on firefox can be problematic on 64bit, but even for thos there are 64bit versions for some
[21:58] <yofel> just checked myself, there are amd64 packages
[21:59] <avis> thanks yofel
[21:59] <avis> penguin42, could you name a few of the common plugins on 64 bit firefox that can be problematic ?
[22:00] <penguin42> avis: flash is a bit touchy, but there is an alpha 64bit release of flash you can download from Adobe that works great; and I think there are 64bit java available but I've not looked
[22:00] <Daniturn> does ubuntu 10.04 support AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter
[22:01] <avis> sounds wonderful.  the alpha should be fine i've used it on 32 bit. thanks so much
[22:01] <yofel> the alpha is only for 64bit, we have a stable 32 bit version of flash...
[22:02] <yofel> let me rephrase that...
[22:02] <yofel> the 64bit plugin is currently only available as alpha, for 32 bit just use the stable one
[22:02] <penguin42> yes
[22:05] <sholden> I'm having a problem with the splash screen locking up.  I first installed from the standard desktop cd, and experienced the freeze at the splash screen.  I then successfully installed with the alternate cd, but when I reboot I have the same error.  Has anyone run across this issue?
[22:06] <penguin42> sholden: What graphics hardare?
[22:06] <penguin42> (We should have a bot to ask that)
[22:09] <yofel> hm, I actually had a plymouth freeze today where I just couldn't find out why it froze, ssh and ttys weren't yet up and SAK did nothing, finally pressed ctrl+alt+del and let it reboot, after that it booted fine...
[22:09] <sholden> GeForce GTX 285
[22:09] <penguin42> yofel: I guess it's unlikely it's actually plymouth; probably just something else going on while plymouth was still showing the splash?
[22:10] <yofel> maybe some conflict between the frame buffer, plymouth and nvidia
[22:10] <sholden> w/ i7 920
[22:11] <yofel> penguin42: the splash was frozen (dots not moving) and I couldn't do anything, not even press esc which should get me out of plymouth, left it like that for about 5mins then rebooted
[22:11] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: ask sholden if he is updated
[22:11] <BUGa_vacations> cause that looks like the _old_ bug
[22:11] <Berzerker> does anyone's splash screen just not show up?
[22:11] <Berzerker> I don't know if it's my computer being too fast for it, or it just doesn't show anything because of a setting
[22:11] <Berzerker> or what
[22:11] <yofel> Berzerker: maybe you're booting too fast :P
[22:11] <BUGa_vacations> Berzerker: I'm trying to make mine not to show
[22:12] <Berzerker> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" does this have anything to do with it?
[22:12] <yofel> here plymouth takes about 5s to come up
[22:12] <yofel> Berzerker: that's supposed to show plymouth
[22:12] <Berzerker> plymouth?
[22:12] <sholden> I just booted to recovery and startx works... ish
[22:12] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: might be update related, I usually always install updates before shutting down
[22:12] <BUGa_vacations> the fancy stuff they are making us look at
[22:13] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: I do on boot, shutdown and some time in the middle
[22:13] <Berzerker> also, is there any way to change the login screen background?
[22:13] <yofel> meh, we still have no !plymouth
[22:14] <yofel> nor any other sane documentation in the wiki (at least I can't find anything)
[22:14] <dutchie> should I have parted and udisks updates held back?
[22:14] <sholden> btw, I installed using the 4/4/10 nightly
[22:14] <Berzerker> I mean it certainly looks like it's working for me
[22:15] <Berzerker> I don't see any resolution/monitor changing/flickering
[22:15] <sholden> what logs would be relevant to my interests?
[22:15] <Berzerker> it just doesn't show any splash loading screen
[22:15] <Berzerker> just a blank with a cursor until it loads GDM
[22:15] <yofel> dutchie: not anymore, try to mark libparted0 for installation yourself in synaptic, should resolve that
[22:15] <dutchie> yofel: ok, thanks
[22:17] <yofel> Berzerker: does /etc/alternatives/default.plymouth point to a valid theme?
[22:17] <sholden> ok now that im in x, i'm trying the proprietary nvidia driver
[22:18] <Berzerker> yofel: doesn't exist
[22:18] <Berzerker> hmm...
[22:18] <dutchie> ok, marking libparted0 for install wants to remove libparted-2.1-0 and libparted1.8-12. Is this good?
[22:19] <penguin42> dutchie: If it's just libparted it's fiddling with it's probably OK
[22:19] <ZykoticK9> my main machine has 150+ updates available, but I'm only be offered a Partial upgrade.  My pure gnome VMs are not having this same issue, and are updating normally.  How can I see more info on that is causing the Paritial upgrade?
[22:19] <penguin42> dutchie: Get worried if that type of thing looks like it's about to remove something useful
[22:19] <yofel> Berzerker: are you sure that plymouth, plymouth-x11 and a valid theme is installed for you?
[22:19] <Berzerker> yofel: now that you mention it, no. :P
[22:19] <guntbert> ZykoticK9: my advice: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:20] <billy2007> im really at my wicks end with lucid i cant play ANY videos on the internet or dvds can annyone suggest a cause??
[22:20] <yofel> heh, odd, mountall should pull in plymouth though
[22:20] <sholden> how can i install the nvidia drivers from the command line?
[22:20] <Berzerker> like I said /etc/alternatives/d* doesn't exist
[22:20] <Berzerker> so I dunno
[22:20] <Berzerker> sholden: check the Hardware Drivers app in Systems > Administration, should show up
[22:20] <guntbert> ZykoticK9: and *don't* go the partial upgrade way - rather wait a few days till it smoothes out
[22:21] <yofel> sholden: first try hardware drivers, and if it fails try to install nvidia-current
[22:21] <dutchie> penguin42: ok, cheers
[22:21] <sholden> it didnt prompt for sudo when i tried to install
[22:21] <sholden> (im in xwin from a recovery login)
[22:22] <Berzerker> recovery login is root
[22:22] <Berzerker> IIRC.
[22:22] <yofel> it is
[22:22] <sholden> nay, i said proceed with normal boot, which didnt go to xwin, went to login screen
[22:22] <yofel> so you don't need to give any password
[22:22] <sholden> ok, well either way, it failed hehe
[22:22] <sholden> nvidia-current it is
[22:23] <sholden> is that the proprietary?
[22:23] <yofel> sholden: why?
[22:23] <yofel> sholden: yes
[22:23] <ZykoticK9> guntbert, I'm trying your aptitude suggestion as we speak.  I'm aware of avoiding partial upgrades, thanks.  I was really surprised to see apt-get and not aptitude used in the Lucid Manual, I'm an apt-get man myself, but perhaps situations like this require giving aptitude more attention :)
[22:24] <Berzerker> isn't apt-get juts a frontend for aptitude?
[22:24] <guntbert> ZykoticK9: I use aptitude regularly - mainly because of the "safe-upgrade" option - that never hurt anything in any system
[22:24] <billy2007> can anyone suggest a reason why no videos are playing on my pc with lucid im considering going back to karmic
[22:24] <guntbert> Berzerker: no, they are different fron ends to the same database
[22:24] <Amaranth> Berzerker: No, they use different dependency resolvers
[22:25] <Amaranth> and aptitude keeps its own database for extra metadata
[22:25] <guntbert> *front ends even
[22:25] <yofel> I use aptitude because it has a nice curses interface :)
[22:25] <sholden> oooh, it gave me an error, but it looks like it installed anyway.  I rebooted and all is well.  Thanks
[22:25] <yofel> sholden: if that error said 'Warning' anywhere then it's fine
[22:25] <Amaranth> I use it because `sudo aptitude safe-upgrade` generally does the right thing
[22:26] <billy2007> has no-one else had this problem
[22:27] <yofel> billy2007: video not playing can have a bunch of reasons, do you hear sound, or what does the player you're using (which one?) do?
[22:27] <sayao> does anyone knows about any update on lucid that could have make my radeon HD2600 HDMI ouput sound stop working? It was working before...
[22:28] <billy2007> yofel, the player dosnt even load??
[22:29] <billy2007> yofel, i dont know if itwould have anything to do with my graphic driver im activating that now
[22:29] <yofel> billy2007: you're using totem? tried to run it from a  terminal?
[22:29] <billy2007> whats totem??
[22:30] <yofel> billy2007: the default video player in gnome/ubuntu
[22:30] <billy2007> i dont have totem?? and i meant i cant play dvds ect.
[22:30] <yofel> we have vlc, smplayer, dragon player, and more besides that, so please mention which player you're using ;)
[22:30] <billy2007> its the online films im more worried about
[22:31] <yofel> billy2007: yes, but in what player are you *trying* to open it?
[22:31] <billy2007> im using just movie playe
[22:31] <billy2007> player*
[22:31] <yofel> that should be totem then I think
[22:31] <billy2007> im not sure its just called movie player
[22:32] <yofel> billy2007: if you're using ubuntu then that should be totem
[22:32] <billy2007> yep ubuntu 10.04
[22:32] <billy2007> Totem Movie Player 2.30.0
[22:32] <billy2007> thats what it is
[22:33] <yofel> good, do you have a video file that you're trying to open, or what did you try to open
[22:33] <billy2007> Movie Player using GStreamer 0.10.28
[22:33] <billy2007> i tried to play a dvd
[22:33] <billy2007> but as i said its more the online films i want to work
[22:34] <yofel> well depends, if the dvd is encrypted you might need libdvdcss, but totem should open in that case and tell you that
[22:35] <yofel> on the web it depends if html5 is used or flash
[22:35] <billy2007> totem wouldnt even open i just get an error message
[22:35] <yofel> billy2007: what error message?
[22:35] <billy2007> im not sure i use sites like vidreel
[22:35] <billy2007> ill just check bear with me
[22:36] <ZykoticK9> guntbert, well looked like safe-upgrade did the trick, just a single "xulrunner-1.9.1" being help back now.  Thanks for the help.
[22:37] <billy2007> Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file.
[22:37] <guntbert> ZykoticK9: you're welcome :-)  and that single package will be solved till tomorrow - I suppose :-)
[22:38] <yofel> billy2007: okaaay... could be that the dvd wasn't mounted right...
[22:38] <jackhigh> yofel: you still here ?
[22:39] <yofel> jackhigh: obviously ;)
[22:39] <billy2007> ah i dont know what this means it used to work oon karmic
[22:39] <jackhigh> :) i have hd 2600 also did you get fglrx working with it ?
[22:39] <yofel> billy2007: I'm out of ideas how to fix that, sorry, if you have time wait a while and ask again later
[22:40] <billy2007> will do cheers anyway
[22:40] <billy2007> how do i mount the dvd anyway yofel
[22:41] <nonameNN> does any one know why ubuntu developers didnt go for kernel 2.6.33 on lucid?
[22:41] <yofel> billy2007: well, that depends on how gnome does disk mounting, and I don't know anything about that
[22:41] <sholden> flash plugin search says no suitable plugins found (im using amd64).  Is this intentional?
[22:41] <jackhigh> read # man mount
[22:42] <yofel> !flash64 | sholden
[22:42] <jackhigh> yofel: are you running fglrx with your HD2600 ?
[22:42] <yofel> sholden: the repository offers the 32bit flash for 64bit firefox using a wrapper (flashplugin-installer)
[22:43] <nonameNN> sholden: im installing flash plugin pretty fine right now
[22:43] <yofel> jackhigh: wrong person, I don't have any ati cards
[22:43] <jackhigh> oh sorry :)
[22:43] <billy2007> no ideas on the internet films??? if i cant sort it im going back to karmic
[22:44] <yofel> billy2007: what internet films? do you have flash installed?
[22:44] <jackhigh> whats up with them , what type of stream are you trying to watch ?
[22:44] <billy2007> i think so is there a command for shell to check?
[22:45] <billy2007> jackhigh, i dunno what ou mean but i watch films on vidreel umm.. megavideo
[22:45] <yofel> billy2007: rather type 'about:plugins' in the address field of your web browser and see if it lists flash
[22:46] <jackhigh> megavideo looks like flash to me
[22:46] <billy2007> yep flash is installed
[22:47] <billy2007> not even the player on beemp3 loads anymore
[22:47] <billy2007> firefox says i need a plugin but cant find any
[22:48] <yofel> billy2007: does it tell you any details about the plugin it needs?
[22:48] <billy2007> ive scrolled down what would it be listed under?
[22:49] <billy2007> yofel, nope
[22:49] <jackhigh> i remember ages ago i had a similar problem not sure its related but i had loads of libflashplayer.so files in the wrong places
[22:49] <yofel> hm, then I'm out of ideas
[22:50] <jackhigh> i just uninstalled checked there were no other libflashplayer files then reinstalled
[22:51] <jackhigh> billy where is your libflashplayer.so file ? and is it the only similarly named file in that dir ?
[22:52] <billy2007> jackhigh, i dont know what that file is even lol
[22:53] <jackhigh> cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[22:53] <jackhigh> then ls
[22:54] <billy2007> its empty
[22:54] <jackhigh> also some are stored in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[22:55] <yofel> the file itself is /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[22:55] <yofel> all others are symlinks to that
[22:55] <billy2007> librhythmbox-itms-detection-plugin.so  libtotem-mully-plugin.so
[22:55] <billy2007> libtotem-cone-plugin.so                libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
[22:55] <billy2007> libtotem-gmp-plugin.so
[22:55] <jackhigh> cant he just cp it to the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins dir ?
[22:56] <nonameNN> anyone is having problems with synaptic? it locks sometimes... i dont know why
[22:56] <yofel> I have a /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so  here that is a symlink to the original file
[22:57] <yofel> the flashplugin-install is supposed to take care of that
[22:57] <SecretofMana> Hm, ever since I updated Ubuntu 10.04 (not installed, just grabbed a 350 MB update) my Logitech MX mouse and keyboard seem to have difficulties connecting to my computer.
[22:57] <yofel> *flashplugin-installer package
[22:57] <SecretofMana> I keep getting this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/409227/ and clicking grant but it just pops back up again in 2 minutes and my mouse/keyboard never connect
[22:58] <SecretofMana> I searched the error but only got a forum message where someone reported it and got no replies
[22:59] <jackhigh> billy2007: i know it souds stupid ad you may have allready tryed it but did you try closig your browser removig and reinstallig flashplugin-nonfree ?
[22:59] <Mcklaren> hi
[22:59] <SecretofMana> that time it was on Ubuntu 9.10 and with an unspecified bluetooth mouse...any ideas?
[22:59] <jackhigh> man i cannot type :)
[23:00] <yofel> jackhigh: and flashplugin-nonfree is old, use flashplugin-installer ;)
[23:00] <yofel> should still work the same though
[23:00] <sholden> yall know if the flash64 plugin is still incompatible with hulu?
[23:00] <jackhigh> tbh i dont remember installing any for ages it does it itself when you go to you tube for the first time :)
[23:00] <billy2007> jackhigh, i dont know how to do that lol now i look stupid could you walk me through it im no good with manuels
[23:02] <yofel> open synaptic, make sure to remove flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-installer and then try to let firefox install the plugin again is what I would do
[23:02] <yofel> billy2007: ^
[23:02] <yofel> billy2007: don't forget to close firefox and synaptic after removing them
[23:02] <topyli> how do you change the plymouth theme? i'm getting the text theme, but there's a prettier one installed as well :)
[23:03] <jackhigh> i was just going to say dont forget to close ff
[23:03] <yofel> topyli: 'sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth && sudo update-initramfs -k all -u'
[23:03] <yofel> ^^
[23:03] <topyli> yofel, ahh thanks
[23:04] <yofel> topyli: I sure hope they make that easier in the future...
[23:04] <billy2007> i have flashplugin nonfree extrasound aswell??
[23:04] <yofel> billy2007: remove that too
[23:04] <nick125> What is the default plymouth theme?
[23:05] <Berzerker-> god why does gwibber work perfectly with netbook, but not my desktop lol
[23:05] <yofel> topyli: hm... actually just reinstalling the theme you want to use should work too
[23:05] <billy2007> it says mark for installation does that mean i havnt got em?
[23:05] <topyli> yofel, yeah i guess if you install a theme it assumes you want to use it
[23:05] <jackhigh> billy2007: yes you want to mark for complete removal
[23:05] <yofel> nick125: plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo I think
[23:06] <nick125> yofel: That theme looks horrible, though.
[23:06] <billy2007> jackhigh, i dont have the option to?
[23:06] <Berzerker-> yofel, how can I check if I have plymouth?
[23:06] <yofel> topyli: yeah, that's how it's supposed to work
[23:06] <topyli> there's ubuntu-logo and ubuntu--text, i assume logo is default
[23:06] <jackhigh> billy2007: well then its not installed
[23:06] <yofel> Berzerker: check in synaptic if it's installed? or 'apt-cache policy plymouth' in a terminal
[23:06] <nick125> yofel: It's all pixelly and looks like its in 8-bit color mode. :p
[23:07] <Berzerker-> yeah I do have it installed...
[23:07] <Berzerker-> what is it supposed to do exactly?
[23:07] <yofel> nick125: oh, you're using nvidia?
[23:07] <billy2007> installing now :) fingers crossed
[23:07] <nick125> yofel: yeah......is there a way to fix that?
[23:07] <jackhigh> billy2007: gl
[23:07] <yofel> Berzerker: do you have any themes installed? like the logo package I just mentioned?
[23:07] <topyli> Berzerker-, nothing, it just hides the boot messages and shows you an ubuntu logo instead
[23:08] <Berzerker-> doesn't show me a logo though :P
[23:08] <Berzerker-> that would be shame if it's because I'm booting too fast
[23:08] <Berzerker-> lol
[23:08] <topyli> yeah
[23:08] <yofel> topyli, Berzerker: it's supposed to give some nice messages and interaction to fsck and other things too
[23:08] <topyli> we should file a bug. "ubuntu boots too fast"
[23:08] <jackhigh> :)
[23:09] <nick125> For some reason, I don't see all of the speed improvements that everyone claims. It seems slower than Karmic for me :(
[23:09] <yofel> nick125: it is, I fiddled around with it yesterday and now get pylmouth in 1600x1200x32 with 195.36.15 :D
[23:09] <topyli> yofel, ah ok, nice. i haven't seen it much because it was broken on my machine for so long so i kept removing it :)
[23:09] <yofel> topyli: yeah me too, it actually works fine here since about 2 weeks ago
[23:09] <Berzerker-> yofel, lol 4:3
[23:10] <yofel> before that I couldn't boot with it :D
[23:10] <Berzerker-> would be nice if I could get it in 1920x1080x32
[23:10] <yofel> Berzerker: I know, but I like my screen ;P
[23:10] <yofel> Berzerker: what card?
[23:10] <Berzerker-> and if I could, you know, see the boot logo
[23:10] <Berzerker-> GTX 260, nvidia also
[23:10] <billy2007> nope :(
[23:10] <Berzerker-> yofel, it doesn't show up on my netbook either, it has a GMA950
[23:10] <bjsnider> the boot logo is only onscreen for a few seconds
[23:10] <topyli> 4:3 is the correct ratio for offices. widescreen is for the living room :)
[23:11] <Berzerker-> but I'd rather see that than a blank cursor blinking screen
[23:11] <Berzerker-> even if it is only for a few seconds
[23:13] <yofel> nick125: if you want to try it with nvidia, you first need to find out what framebuffer resolutions your card supports, for that go to the grub menu by holding left shift pressed on boot, press 'c' I think for a command line run 'insmod vbe' and 'vbeinfo' and note the resolution you want to use
[23:14] <nick125> yofel: Would that be the same resolution for grub's GFXMODE?
[23:14] <yofel> yes
[23:14] <nick125> I have my GRUB_GFXMODE set to "1280x800" (which seems to work...)
[23:14] <yofel> but you need to know the depth too, gfxmode needs like 1600x1200, gfxpayload needs 1600x1200x32
[23:15] <Berzerker-> yofel, walk me through this later, ok? :P
[23:16] <nick125> yofel: okay, so once I have that, what do I do next?
[23:16] <yofel> nick125: in your /etc/default/grub add 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1600x1200x32' (with your resolution)
[23:16] <yofel> nick125: don't forget the color depth!
[23:17] <billy2007> LMAO i uninstalled all them things i installed downloaded adobe flash player what i was going to do 2 start with and it works now :)
[23:17] <tholo> Is there a way in preseed to prevent installation of packages selected by "Recommends" ?
[23:18] <yofel> then run update-grub and make sure vbe gets loaded with 'grep "vbe" /boot/grub/grub.cfg'. I should return 'insmod vbe'
[23:18] <yofel> *It
[23:18] <yofel> nick125: ^
[23:18] <yofel> then try to reboot, I'm not 100% sure, but it should work
[23:19] <yofel> nick125: btw, you'll notice that you're ttys have a nicer resolution too then ;)
[23:19] <yofel> s/you're/your/
[23:20] <nick125> Hmm. All I get is 30 seconds of a flashing cursor, 5 seconds of plymouth and that's it.
[23:20] <yofel> hm
[23:21] <yofel> I get a flashing cursor too before plymouth, but only for about 5 seconds
[23:21] <tholo> I'd love to turn off plymouth altogether for my server preseeds...
[23:22] <yofel> tholo: you can remove the themes and plymouth-x11, but mountall depends on plymouth, so you can't remove it completely
[23:22] <tholo> I noticed. :-p
[23:23] <nick125> Now I get flashing cursor for 1/2 a second, black screen for 20sec, and plymouth for 5. Heh.
[23:26] <benkay86> Has anyone here gotten Lucid to boot over a serial console on a headless machine?
[23:28]  * nick125 also wishes Grub wasn't so...ugly. :(
[23:29] <yofel> well, officially you're not supposed to every see any trace of grub unless you're multi booting, but it could be improved yes
[23:29] <yofel> s/every/ever/
[23:42] <billy2007> what stuff can i do on lucid but not on karmic then so far the only difference ive found is that lucid is slower and looks slightly different and cuases problems
[23:43] <billy2007> any1 awake
[23:44] <vish> no ;p
[23:44] <billy2007> lol
[23:45] <billy2007> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[23:45] <billy2007>  csdfqwertyuiop[]
[23:45] <billy2007> HELLLOOOOO
[23:46] <billy2007> anybody out there
[23:46] <MikeChelen> !hello | billy2007
[23:46] <MikeChelen> anyone having trouble getting gwibber to start without crashing?
[23:46] <billy2007> what stuff can i do on lucid but not on karmic then so far the only difference ive found is that lucid is slower and looks slightly different and cuases problems
[23:46] <nonameNN> so far synaptic is the only problem i have on amd64 installation... any one is having some issues with synaptic?
[23:47] <billy2007> i already asked but everyones dead
[23:47] <billy2007> MikeChelen, what qwibber?
[23:48] <MikeChelen> billy2007: applications -> internet -> gwibber
[23:48] <billy2007> yes i know where it is but what does it do?
[23:49] <vish> !topic
[23:49] <vish> hmm ,
[23:49] <topyli> it does stuff you can do on lucid that you could not do on karmic! whee
[23:49] <MikeChelen> oh, it is client for social network sites like twitter, facebook, identica, and others
[23:49] <MikeChelen> gwibber was available for karmic, though an older version
[23:50] <vish> any ops around to add the release notes to the topic?
[23:50] <MikeChelen> in lucid, the account management is integrated though
[23:50] <billy2007> didnt get a word of that lol
[23:51] <billy2007> can someone please suggest some stuff i can do on lucid but not in karmic because im already dissapointed enough by it
[23:51] <vish> billy2007: read this > http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#New%20features%20since%20Ubuntu%209.10
[23:51] <XuMuK> MikeChelen, the mine only crashes when I try to press some "View reply thread" or something like this... and for you now it's beta version) wait for stable release for no bugs)
[23:53] <killown> virtualbox-ose-dkms  Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.32-19-generic (i686)  man.. i have reported this erros few days ago and not fixed yet :/
[23:53] <MikeChelen> XuMuK: it's strange only because gwibber seemed to crash less on earlier alpha releases
[23:54] <killown> i have removed gwibber from here
[23:54] <XuMuK> MikeChelen, things of beta versions)
[23:54] <MikeChelen> just tried starting from the messaging applet instead of applications menu, and this time it didn't crash
[23:54] <killown> it take a lot cpu with gwibber-service
[23:54] <MikeChelen> yeah it can, that is one thing supposed to be improved with newer versions
[23:55] <MikeChelen> try setting minutes between refresh very high
[23:55] <killown> i can't install virtualbox in lucid
[23:57] <killown> http://pastebin.com/57j7hy6w
[23:57] <billy2007> with virtual box can you get virtual windows 7 legally and is it easy to install?
[23:57] <MikeChelen> it's legal if you purchase a license
[23:57] <benkay86> billy2007: Yes, you can install Windows 7 easily using Virtualbox. Obtaining a legal copy of 7 is another matter.
[23:58] <MikeChelen> installation isn't much harder than any desktop
[23:58] <killown> virtualbox deb not workin in lucid
[23:58] <billy2007> benkay86, ohh can i get vista legally
[23:58] <MikeChelen> use software center, not .deb
[23:58] <billy2007> or seven illeagally maybe??
[23:58] <benkay86> billy2007: I'm sorry the beta version of Lucid doesn't meet your expectations, but if you report specific bugs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs maybe we can make it better in time for the official release.
[23:59] <benkay86> billy2007: Virtualbox won't allow you to obtain a copy of WIndows, only to install a copy you already have.
[23:59] <billy2007> benkay86, oh i understand now lol