[00:10] <seele> in that last screenshot, it shoudl say "Downloading update 15 of 19"
[00:18] <amichair> Here's the other progress issue: http://imagebin.ca/view/3B5MZgB.html http://imagebin.ca/view/SBuNW5gQ.html http://imagebin.ca/view/e2yrD-G.html
[00:19] <amichair> btw, the last 'Install' page is never reached, which is a bit strange - instead the window disappears for a couple seconds, then replaced with the installation window which looks and feels pretty different
[00:22] <DarkwingDuck> Holy hell that took most of the day. but, 15,000 emails organized finally.
[02:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's an existing bug on b.k.o for the randr thing.  Given the lack of anything other than marking dupes in the bug, I think the status is "upstream doesn't care".  It might be a fit subject for some of your genius.
[02:17] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck: took me two weeks :(
[04:23] <maco> Sput: feature request: channel-specific highlights. i have a highlight set for "girls" (so when people say stupid things in #ubuntu-offtopic..) but id rather it not highlight in, say, #ubuntu-women or #linuxchix....
[04:23] <maco> (where that's a normal word to have in use)
[04:24] <maco> or get highlights on swear words only in channels where i'm an op
[04:24] <maco> (erm, i would just list which channels those are... i dont mean "detect whether i'm an op..." as thatd be a pain especially when you get chanserv involved)
[04:26] <DarkwingDuck> we'll turn this into mIRC yet ;)
[04:32]  * ScottK hands bugs.quassel-irc.org to maco
[04:33] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:35] <maco> DarkwingDuck: hmm? i think ive ued mirc once. does it have that?
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, When I was using mIRC back in the day I was able to write a script that listed the highlight rules for each channel.
[04:37] <crimsun> e.g., ircN
[04:37] <crimsun> ah, the dark ages of the tubes.
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> who has the SVG for the new Branding?
[05:15] <JontheEchidna> I think Riddell has one
[05:17] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[05:17] <ScottK> nixternal too.
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> The wife like desktop publishing and wanted to give a hand in recreating the kubuntu business card with the new branding
[05:20] <DarkwingDuck> I'll upload what we come up with
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> Physics test tomorrow; I should probably get to bed now...
[05:21] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I'm heading there too.
[08:30] <Sput> maco: that's on our agenda, though I can't tell you an ETA
[08:45] <jussi01> maco: as sput says its on the agenda. I think I filed that bug like... err 2 years ago?
[08:46] <jussi01> ok... 1 year
[08:46] <jussi01> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/633
[08:46] <jussi01> but still :D
[08:47] <jussi01> maco: a related bug is: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/181
[09:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: what should happen is a) poke aaron b) if it doesnt improve drop that randr stuff altogether c) wait for a new wicked mind to come up with something that tries to make xrandr's madness easy to use ;)
[09:26]  * persia hopes for a) or c) to support fun and useful use cases
[09:41] <apachelogger> well, maybe I am wrong anyway
[09:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: I was just wondering ... what does kephal do?
[09:41]  * apachelogger finds kephal a better approach to manipulating xrandr stuff, also it would support plug'n'notify
[09:58] <apachelogger> looks like kephal only tracks the config stuff but doesnt act upon it :S
[10:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you broke partitionmanger btw :P
[10:04] <apachelogger> doesnt show up in systemsettings
[10:04] <apachelogger> because of src/CMakeLists.txt
[10:04] <apachelogger> option(PARTMAN_KCM "Build a kcm for KDE Partition Manager" OFF)
[10:04] <apachelogger> if(PARTMAN_KCM)
[10:15]  * apachelogger notes that the display magic is probably a good GSoC project
[11:25] <amichair> ScottK: During an RSI break, is there any particular excercise that's recommended? or just stay still?
[11:32] <apachelogger> amichair: I am sure there are various quick exercises you can do
[11:33] <apachelogger> some for the hands and some for the eyes and some for the ears and some for the legs...
[11:33] <apachelogger> every rsi break is an opporunity to do another one
[11:33] <apachelogger> that said
[11:33] <apachelogger> rsi breaks are very opportunistic and are probably implemented in python
[11:35] <amichair> ?
[11:39] <amichair> I don't think pythons can get RSI
[11:40] <amichair> although they do give other ppl stress and injuries
[11:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: google gator vs python
[11:40] <apachelogger> :P
[11:40] <kubotu> Results for gator vs python: 1. State: Gator vs. python ends in gory draw: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/06/State/Gator_vs_python_ends_.shtml | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Science- msnbc.com: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ | 3. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html
[11:42] <amichair> but I'm not concerned by bursting pythons as much as bursting plasma-desktops
[11:43] <amichair> A plasma burst is really nasty
[11:43] <amichair> That's why I restart my desktop every couple of weeks just before plasma-desktop reaches 1GB of memory
[11:46] <apachelogger> amichair: maybe you should run it in valgrind :P
[11:47] <apachelogger> or do more security updates :P
[11:47] <amichair> is there a plasma shield security update?
[11:47]  * apachelogger needs to at least relogin every now and then for some secruity magic or other kde updateness
[11:47] <apachelogger> amichair: it's not like you can restart your x without restarting plasma :P
[11:47] <amichair> or at least a deflector shield so my neighbor gets fried instead?
[11:47] <apachelogger> them poor neighbors
[11:47] <apachelogger> !
[11:55] <amichair> apachelogger: can valgrind be used on the regular runtime? or do I need to recompile everything?
[11:57] <apachelogger> amichair: regular runtime
[11:57] <apachelogger> I think it is good if you have the dbg package installed though
[11:57] <apachelogger> might be wrong, but I think you can make valgrind resolve symbols using debug data
[12:07] <JontheEchidna> ^From my experiences yesterday, debug symbols are required to make it useful
[12:09] <apachelogger> well, otherwise it will only tell you the symbol names I suppose
[12:09] <apachelogger> with debug symbols it resloves to source line I think
[12:11] <JontheEchidna> when I looked at synaptic I only got library names :s
[12:11] <JontheEchidna> but maybe that's gtk crappiness
[12:12] <apachelogger> maybe
[12:12]  * apachelogger never does code memleaks so he wouldnt know :P
[12:36]  * persia points out ddebs.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <apachelogger> persia: kde core packages all have -dbg packages
[12:38] <persia> Yep :)
[12:38] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/debug-packages-and-ppas/
[12:39] <nixternal> good mornin'
[12:39] <apachelogger> ahoy nixternal
[12:40] <persia> apachelogger: Is there already a bug against LP to store ddebs for PPAs?
[12:40] <apachelogger> persia: didnt look
[12:40] <apachelogger> I think the soyuz people already hate me for all the silly bugs I file ^6
[12:40] <persia> Might want to check.  It oughtn't be that hard to enable, and would save adding -dbg versions to everything of interest.
[12:41] <persia> I doubt that.  I think the main issue with Soyuz is that wgrant seems to be the only developer.
[12:41] <apachelogger> oh my
[12:43] <apachelogger> nothing reported in sight
[12:43] <persia> Please file.  It ought make the way Kubuntu uses PPAs less painful to debug on the edges.
[12:44] <apachelogger> only if the ddebs are inside the regular repositories
[12:44] <ScottK> persia: Why?  We've already done the work to make the dbg packages.
[12:44] <apachelogger> otherwise I will get additional headache in making kubuntu-debug-installer figure that out ^^
[12:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: not for all and every kde pkg
[12:45] <persia> ScottK: future-proofing, plus that the cost of filing a bug is low
[12:45] <ScottK> OK
[12:45] <apachelogger> knm hadnt had a dbg package for like a year or so ^^
[12:45] <persia> apachelogger: I presume they would be: the current "copy to some secret location, and then publish somewhere else" hack has got to be ugly code.
[12:45] <wgrant> Well, there are three real Soyuz developers, and a fourth appearing soon, plus me.
[12:45] <wgrant> I have most of PPA ddebs implemented.
[12:45] <wgrant> But it's not easy.
[12:46] <ScottK> Nice.
[12:46] <wgrant> The current method just copies the ddebs to ~/public_html on the buildd.
[12:46] <wgrant> pitti's script checks each buildd regularly, and copies them onto ddebs.ubuntu.com
[12:46] <wgrant> == revolting hack
[12:46]  * apachelogger finds that seperate archive silly anyway
[12:47] <wgrant> They would bloat the official archive and its indices to unacceptable levels.
[12:47] <apachelogger> wgrant: even in a seperate repo?
[12:47] <apachelogger> main universe main-ddeb universe-ddeb?
[12:47] <wgrant> apachelogger: Didn't you just object to it being in a separate archive?
[12:47] <wgrant> Ah, you mean component.
[12:47] <persia> same archive, separate component
[12:48] <ScottK> For PPAs they really should be in the regular pool for the PPA.
[12:48] <apachelogger> wgrant: well, for PPAs I want it in the archive itself
[12:48] <wgrant> ScottK: That's the plan.
[12:48] <apachelogger> but for the ubuntu archive it would make more sense to have it in a pool
[12:48] <ScottK> Sensible then.
[12:48] <apachelogger> s/a pool/the same pool as the other ubuntu pkgs
[12:48] <wgrant> apachelogger: Possibly. But mirrors currently use rsync.
[12:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it's due to impact on mirrors
[12:48] <wgrant> And mirrors won't like a two-to-threefold increase in mirror volume.
[12:48] <apachelogger> ah
[12:49] <apachelogger> that indeed is a good reason not to do it that way then :)
[12:49] <persia> Is working around that on the feature list for lmirror?
[12:49] <wgrant> persia: It's probably more in scope for the secret mirror split script (which takes the single cocoplum archive and turns it into ports, archive and old-releases).
[12:49] <apachelogger> wgrant: so, do you want me to file a bug report about that ddebs for PPA?
[12:49] <wgrant> But I have plans to move tht into Soyuz soon so we can work better with lmirror.
[12:49] <wgrant> apachelogger: There's already one.
[12:49]  * wgrant finds.
[12:50] <persia> Ah, cool.
[12:50]  * apachelogger didnt see one
[12:50] <wgrant> Bug #156575
[12:51] <apachelogger> cheers
[12:51] <nigelb> nixternal, seems like you had a fun night yday :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: I made all the dbusmenu related bugs reported properly and milestoned btw
[12:52] <nixternal> that I did nigelb :)  awesome hockey match
[12:52] <nigelb> nixternal, your constant tweets reminded me :)
[12:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[12:52]  * apachelogger is going home today and will do some bugfixing
[12:52] <apachelogger> after which I will poke a bit more into that randr mess
[12:53] <nixternal> hehe, before the 3rd period, the announcer dude said "tweet nixternal tweet!"
[12:53] <apachelogger> because from what I have seen until now, krandr should really just be a frontend to kephal
[12:53] <nixternal> they call out people who are tweeting the game
[12:53] <nigelb> nixternal, seriously? o_0
[12:54] <nixternal> yeah, it was pretty cool...there were like 25 people they called out
[12:54] <apachelogger> didn't amarok have the shortcut for playback actions listed in the tray menu?
[12:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^
[12:55] <apachelogger> markey: ^
[12:55] <apachelogger> triage nixternal triage!
[12:56] <apachelogger> doesnt work :(
[12:56]  * apachelogger thinks nixternal is broken again :P
[12:57] <nixternal> hehe
[12:57] <nixternal> it isn't even 07:00 yet, triage mood == Null right about now
[12:57] <apachelogger> horrible excuse
[12:58] <nixternal> I know it is :)
[13:04] <markey> apachelogger: hm, not sure actually :)
[13:04] <markey> right now it's not there, with the new tray
[14:19] <maco> jussi01: haha
[14:19] <maco> Sput: ok:)
[14:38] <Tscheesy> nixternal: ping
[15:02] <zbenjamin> i maybe found a bug in karmic but i'm not shure. I use iwlagn and try to connect to a AP without luck !. Dmesg tells me this: http://pastebin.com/kMzmBBiG
[15:03] <zbenjamin> seems like the connection dies right after its created
[15:44] <ryanakca> ScottK: I guess I'll need to go through with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze for new upstream versions for libqinfinity/kobby?
[15:45] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yes
[15:45] <apachelogger> jr can give exceptions though I think
[15:45]  * apachelogger doesnt really know anymore who has which authority where ^^
[15:45] <apachelogger> archive reorg ftw!
[16:00]  * ScottK can too
[16:01] <ScottK> ryanakca: Yes.  Please.  It'll be easy to get though.
[16:05] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK. libqinfinity-1.0~beta5-1 is building at the moment. Should I have the Debian folks upload it and then have it sync'd or should I make a -0ubuntu1 ?
[16:05] <ScottK> ryanakca: Better to get it into Debian.
[16:05] <ScottK> We'll do a direct upload if we really need to.
[16:07] <amichair> Riddell: where exactly did u see the text reported in bug #540929?
[16:09] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather Graz, Austria
[16:09]  * apachelogger asks google
[16:10] <apachelogger> brrr
[16:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: ping
[16:10] <kubotu> pong
[16:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: help weather
[16:10] <kubotu> no help for topic weather
[16:10] <apachelogger> hm
[16:11] <apachelogger> did I break it?
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get plugins.blacklist
[16:11] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart, markov
[16:11] <apachelogger> oh, I wonder why weather is blacklisted
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config remove weather from plugins.blacklist
[16:11] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, imdb, insult, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, quiz, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, babel, figlet, debug, linkbot, geoip, lart, markov
[16:11] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[16:11] <kubotu> saving ...
[16:11] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[16:11] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 49 plugins loaded; 34 plugins ignored; 2 plugins failed to load
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather graz, austria
[16:11] <kubotu> Weather info for Graz-Andritz, Graz, Austria (updated on 5:10 PM CEST on April 05, 2010); Temperature: 53.9 F / 12.2 C; Humidity: -999%; Wind: North at -; Pressure: - (Steady); Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Visibility: 6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers; UV: 1 out of 16; Clouds: Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 5000 ft / 1524 m; Sunrise: 6:30 AM CEST; Sunset: 7:32 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 2:03 AM CEST; Moon Set: 10:22 AM CEST; Moon Phase:
[16:11] <kubotu> Waning Gibbous
[16:12] <apachelogger> that humidity looks wrong ^^
[16:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather wels, austria
[16:12] <kubotu> Weather info for Sankt Marienkirchen An Der Polsenz, Austria (updated on 5:00 PM CEST on April 05, 2010); Temperature: 48.2 F / 9.0 C; Windchill: 46 F / 8 C; Humidity: 59%; Dew Point: 35 F / 1 C; Wind: NW at 5.8 mph / 9.3 km/h; Pressure: 30.25 in / 1024.3 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Visibility: 6.2 miles / 10.0 kilometers; UV: 1 out of 16; Clouds: (FEW) : 2800 ft / 853 m  Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 5000 ft /
[16:13] <kubotu> 1524 m; Sunrise: 6:34 AM CEST; Sunset: 7:39 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 2:14 AM CEST; Moon Set: 10:22 AM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous
[16:13]  * apachelogger finds that all way too cold -.-
[16:22] <ScottK> kubotu: weather ellicott city, maryland, usa
[16:22] <kubotu> Weather info for Calhan West - N Ellicott Hwy & Kobilan Rd, Calhan, Colorado (updated on 9:22 AM MDT on April 05, 2010); Temperature: 51.9 F / 11.1 C; Humidity: 25%; Dew Point: 17 F / -8 C; Wind: SSW at 24.0 mph / 38.6 km/h; Pressure: 29.64 in / 1003.6 hPa (Falling); Conditions: Clear; Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers; UV: 3 out of 16; Clouds: Clear (CLR) : -; Yesterday's Maximum: 64 F / 17 C; Yesterday's
[16:22] <kubotu> Minimum: 31 F / 0 C; Sunrise: 6:35 AM MDT; Sunset: 7:24 PM MDT; Moon Rise: 1:45 AM MDT; Moon Set: 11:12 AM MDT; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous
[16:22] <kubotu> Fire Weather Warning, Fire Weather Watch: Expires 8:00 PM MDT on April 06, 2010 Statement as of 5:58 am MDT on April 5, 2010 ... Red flag warning remains in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM MDT this evening... ... Fire Weather Watch remains in effect from Tuesday morning through Tuesday evening... A red flag warning remains in effect from 10 am this morning to 10 PM MDT this evening. A Fire Weather Watch remains
[16:23] <kubotu> in effect from Tuesday morning through Tuesday evening. This includes the following fire weather zones... in Colorado... 222... 226... 227... 228... 229... 230... 231... 232... 233 ... 234... 235... 236... 237 Critical fire weather conditions are expected today as southwest winds of 20 to 30 mph with wind gusts in excess of 50 mph at times will be realized across the area. These strong winds combined with afternoon
[16:23] <kubotu> humidities of less than 15 percent will result in volatile conditions for fire behavior. Gusty winds will continue across the area on Tuesday with critical fire weather conditions remaining possible from Tuesday morning through early Tuesday evening. Precautionary/preparedness actions... A red flag warning means that critical fire weather conditions are either occurring now... or will shortly. A combination of strong
[16:23] <kubotu> winds... low relative humidity... and warm temperatures will create explosive fire growth potential. A Fire Weather Watch means that critical fire weather conditions are forecast to occur. Listen for later forecasts and possible red flag warnings.
[16:23] <ScottK> This may be why you had it blacklisted
[16:23] <jussi01> just maybe...
[16:24] <ScottK> Wrong location anyway, but won't try again
[16:24] <apachelogger> hm
[16:24] <apachelogger> indeed
[16:24] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: list config
[16:24] <apachelogger> eh
[16:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list
[16:24] <kubotu> modules: wikipedia, send, lastfm, auth, debug, encoding, irc, irclog, core, nickserv, rejoin, factoids, markov, twitter, remote, greet, http, rss, weather, log, salut, server, seen, autoop, identica, translator, google, plugins, keyword, chanserv, host, wheelfortune, ri
[16:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list weather
[16:24] <kubotu> weather.advisory
[16:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get weather.advisory
[16:24] <kubotu> weather.advisory: true
[16:27] <apachelogger> reading ruby code always makes me happy :)
[16:27] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set weather.advisory false
[16:27] <kubotu> okies!
[16:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather ellicott city, maryland, usa
[16:28] <kubotu> Weather info for Calhan West - N Ellicott Hwy & Kobilan Rd, Calhan, Colorado (updated on 9:27 AM MDT on April 05, 2010); Temperature: 53.0 F / 11.7 C; Humidity: 24%; Dew Point: 17 F / -8 C; Wind: SSW at 23.0 mph / 37.0 km/h; Pressure: 29.64 in / 1003.6 hPa (Falling); Conditions: Clear; Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers; UV: 3 out of 16; Clouds: Clear (CLR) : -; Yesterday's Maximum: 64 F / 17 C; Yesterday's
[16:28] <kubotu> Minimum: 31 F / 0 C; Sunrise: 6:35 AM MDT; Sunset: 7:24 PM MDT; Moon Rise: 1:45 AM MDT; Moon Set: 11:12 AM MDT; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous
[16:28] <apachelogger> much better
[16:28] <apachelogger> kubotu: help weather nws
[16:28] <kubotu> weather nws <station> => display the current conditions at the location specified by the NOAA National Weather Service station code <station> ( lookup your station code at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/data/current_obs/ )
[16:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[16:29]  * ScottK looks
[16:30] <ScottK> kubotu: weather nws kbwi
[16:30] <kubotu> At Mon,  5 Apr 2010 10:54:00 -0400, the wind was Variable at 6.9 MPH (6 KT) at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, MD (KBWI). The temperature was 70.0 F (21.1 C) with a heat index of , and the pressure was 1019.1 mb. The relative humidity was 64%. Current conditions are Mostly Cloudy with 10.00mi visibility.
[16:30] <ScottK> There we go.
[16:30] <ScottK> Much more temperate here.
[16:31] <apachelogger> :/
[16:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:31] <apachelogger> top temp this week seems to be 18 C in graz :S
[16:31] <ryanakca> kubotu: weather nws cygk
[16:31] <kubotu> Error retrieving data: 300 Multiple Choices
[16:32]  * apachelogger needs to finish packing
[16:32] <apachelogger> later
[16:32] <apachelogger> o/
[17:41] <amichair> when picking a foreign language in livecd boot menu, what does it supposed to affect (except the boot menu itself)?
[17:41] <amichair> s/does/is/
[17:58] <shadeslayer> huh... you lose the nice kubuntu logo in the kickoff menu if you change the theme
[18:00] <Quintasan> awesome
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: me?
[18:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: uploading KOffice to beta ppa
[18:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: you too :P
[18:00] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:01] <shadeslayer> oh and scrolling is ultra slow...
[18:02] <Quintasan> yeah, now uploading 54449kB, will take tons of time
[18:02] <Quintasan> :.
[18:02] <Quintasan> :/
[18:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: any ideas to get the logo?
[18:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: the Kubuntu logo?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah... in the kickoff
[18:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm entirley sure, that if you right click on Kickoff, pick Options from the menu, then go to Options tab you can select an icon to use instad of default geared K
[18:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: then go to .kde and look in plasma config files for path to the icon
[18:08] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hehe.. not that one the other one when you click the kickoff
[18:08] <Quintasan> oh I see it now
[18:09] <Quintasan> You don't like it?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh i mean i like it so much i want it to work with the glassified theme
[18:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: check kubuntu-default-settings package
[18:10] <Quintasan> or there is a patch in kdebase
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: probably kubuntu-default-settings
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan:   * Update kubuntu-menu icons to match new logo
[18:11] <shadeslayer> yeps
[18:12] <shadeslayer> now...which file? :P
[18:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: uploaded to Beta PPA
[19:01] <ofirk> someone knows how to re-show the main toolbar in gwenview?
[19:01] <ofirk> I accidentally hide it and now I don't know how to make it appear again
[19:02] <ofirk> in case someone didn't understand, I am talking about the toolbar with the File, View, Help menus
[19:03] <ScottK> Does ctrl-m do it?
[19:03] <ofirk> you are genius!
[19:03] <ofirk> thanks!
[19:03] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[20:25] <amichair> Riddell: Fixed a few ubiquity bugs in branch, incl. both progress bars.
[20:25] <amichair> If you have more info on the other two on the milestone list, I can take a look.
[20:44] <neversfelde> Quintasan: koffice 2.2 beta2 tarballs available :)
[20:59] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ping
[20:59] <JontheEchidna> amichair: pong
[21:00] <amichair> JontheEchidna: Bug #555228
[21:00] <Quintasan> FFFFFUUUUUUU-
[21:00] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I just uploaded beta1 :DD
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> amichair: ah, kk
[21:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: it's a dup of what u made public,
[21:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: but I think I'm getting mixed up with the versioning
[21:01] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I know
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> amichair: the bug is happening in the version that should be fixed :(
[21:02] <amichair> amichair: yeah. reported against 0.75.9, which according to the bzr log, does not have that line anymore... where did the fix go?
[21:02] <amichair> there I go talking to myself again... gotta take those meds!
[21:05] <amichair> JontheEchidna: can u make sense of this?
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> not really. the official debdiff sez it should be in the released version: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/software-properties_0.75.8_0.75.9.diff.gz
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, bbiab
[21:07] <Riddell> amichair: ooh fixes
[21:07] <amichair> Riddell: ah, I was just thinking of you... ^^
[21:07] <amichair> Riddell: u did that merge, maybe u can figure it out...
[21:13] <Riddell> amichair: which merge?
[21:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: do not mind that upload, will grab the beta 2 now :S
[21:14] <amichair> that last spk one (them links above)
[21:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: huh, I get permission denied on ktown, I did not change my GPG key
[21:15] <Quintasan> SSH key rather
[21:15] <apachelogger> hullos o/
[21:16] <maco> Quintasan: using a different computer than usual?
[21:16] <Quintasan> maco: nope
[21:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sup
[21:16] <apachelogger> home sweet home
[21:16] <apachelogger> after working more than a week on a netbook, the fonts on my regular setup seem overly large ^^
[21:16] <amichair> Riddell: a dude just reported the same bug with a stack trace showing the old code on the new version (whose debdiff shows the new code!)
[21:17] <ScottK-droid> Riddell: Would you please accept the pending kubuntu-meta upload. I'm -><- close to a ppc live CD that's not oversized.
[21:21] <apachelogger> 890MB updates -.-
[21:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:25] <Riddell> ScottK-droid: accepted
[21:25] <apachelogger> why is kdelibs-dbg > 50MiB
[21:26] <ScottK-droid> Riddell: Thanks.
[21:27] <Riddell> because debugging symbols are big space hogs
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Do you have the SVGs for the new branding of Kubuntu?
[21:36] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes, in kubuntu-default-settings
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Thanks
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, time to play games with my system.
[21:37] <DarkwingDuck> I'll catch up.
[21:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: can you check out whats with my key being not allowed?
[21:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: mine isn't either (!)
[21:44] <Quintasan> @_@
[21:45] <amichair> wow! what googly eyes you have!
[21:45] <Quintasan> That's for packaging today :/
[21:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the thing is ... lzma sqeezes around 35% out of the dbg packages ... meaning kdelibs5-dbg with gzip would be super fat
[21:50] <nixternal> oi oi....who wants to go riding?
[21:56] <Mamarok> apachelogger: dear, why do you ship KDE SC 4.4.2 with Phonon 4.3.1? It should use Phonon 4.3.80 for the KDE SC 4.4.x series, no?
[21:58] <apachelogger> a) I dont know b) we ship phonon as part of Qt
[21:59] <Quintasan> c) it is your fault if we ship wrong version :P
[21:59] <apachelogger> d) true
[21:59] <Quintasan> if it isnt working, blame it on apachelogger; that's my policy :P
[21:59] <Mamarok> Quintasan: Oh, is it? KDE SC 4.4.2 should have Phonon 4.3.80, according to it's maintainer
[22:00] <Riddell> phonon-backends is at 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 in lucid
[22:01] <Riddell> and phonon in qt is patched to 4.4.0
[22:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: any idea who should I bug to get our keys unlocked?
[22:01] <Riddell> Quintasan: I need to contact sysadmin
[22:01] <Mamarok> Riddell: so why does mine say 4.3.1?
[22:01] <Mamarok> using Lucid, clean install
[22:02] <apachelogger> #define PHONON_VERSION PHONON_VERSION_CHECK(4, 3, 1)
[22:02] <apachelogger> because it is
[22:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay
[22:02] <apachelogger> I recon we have a Qt patch for that though, dont we?
[22:02] <apachelogger> or did that get dropped already?
[22:03] <Riddell> kubuntu_07_phonon_4.4.0.diff is there
[22:04] <Mamarok> I used this to find my version: strings $KDEDIR/lib/libphonon.so | grep -P "\n4.*.*\n"
[22:05] <apachelogger> well
[22:05] <apachelogger> IT IS 4.3.1 :P
[22:05] <apachelogger> ./phononnamespace.h:#define PHONON_VERSION_STR "4.3.1"
[22:05] <Mamarok> which is bad :/
[22:05] <apachelogger> then again my system is out of date ;)
[22:06] <Mamarok> mine is not
[22:06] <apachelogger> oh oh oh oh
[22:06] <apachelogger> maybe the patch just doenst change the version
[22:06] <apachelogger> for compability reasons or some stuff
[22:10] <Quintasan> Mamarok: if that Phonon really is not 4.3.80 are we in some deep trouble?
[22:13] <Sput> KDE 4.4 certainly won't work properly with older versions
[22:13] <Sput> though it also couldn't have compiled against 4.3.1 afair
[22:14] <Quintasan> my phonon backend xine is 4.4.0
[22:14] <amichair> JontheEchidna: do u think the reporter of that spk bug had a failed update of some sort? Is there anything we should ask him to check or do?
[22:14] <ofirk> hi everybody, take a look at the new kubuntu website:
[22:14] <Riddell> yeah, and phonon-backends wouldn't have compiled either, and this muckle patch must be doing somehting
[22:14] <ofirk> Homepage - http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-homepage.png
[22:14] <ofirk> Download page - http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-download.png
[22:14] <ofirk> Feature tour - http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-feature-tour.png
[22:14]  * apachelogger falls over
[22:15] <apachelogger> sweet
[22:15] <apachelogger> though
[22:15] <apachelogger> can we please get rid of that stupid ktorrent icon?
[22:15] <Quintasan> DO WANT
[22:15] <apachelogger> makes me wanna throw up every time I see it
[22:15] <Mamarok> Quintasan: how do you read that backend version? All my packages state 4:4.6.2 which is the Qt version, but not the Phonon version
[22:16] <Quintasan> Mamarok: look for phonon-backend-xine
[22:16] <apachelogger> uhhh
[22:16] <apachelogger> update finished
[22:16]  * apachelogger runs post-update checks
[22:17] <Mamarok> Quintasan: OK, so only the libphonon package reads a wrong version
[22:17] <Riddell> I suspect sandsmark's phonon patch to qt just doesn't update the version number, which is a bug but not a big problem
[22:17]  * Quintasan wants his motorola milestone
[22:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: good, I am relieved, I was just worried for a moment.
[22:17] <Mamarok> Sorry for the noise
[22:18] <Riddell> we should ask sandsmark about it anyway
[22:18] <Riddell> but now I must sleep
[22:18] <apachelogger> nini Riddell
[22:18]  * apachelogger gives Riddell a good night kiss :*
[22:18] <Riddell> amichair: sorry can't look at that merge issue tonight, I'll make sure to do it tomorrow
[22:18] <amichair> g'nite Riddell
[22:18] <apachelogger> time for reboot!
[22:18] <Riddell> oooh
[22:19] <amichair> Riddell: np, thanks. Sweet dreams!
[22:21] <Quintasan> night Riddell
[22:24] <amichair> ofirk: nice! when is it going online?
[22:24] <ofirk> I hope for 10.04 release
[22:27] <amichair> ofirk: (I won't tell anyone that in the blurred out contact list, the reflection is not blurred ;-) )
[22:27] <ofirk> oops :)
[22:28] <ofirk> apachelogger: the ktorrent icon is already built deep into the site theme, so you might want to get a throwing bag :)
[22:28] <apachelogger> well
[22:28] <apachelogger> no
[22:28] <apachelogger> I will just kill whoever makes a new site with that fugly icon :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> I surely am mad enough now that I used plasma-netbook and built mysql on a netbook :P
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> amichair: it could be that the crash happened before the update, but didn't get reported until the next reboot for some strange reason.
[22:29] <amichair> ofirk: the version numbers, copyright years and text are not final, right?
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> amichair: This crash should be always-reproducible, right? Maybe we should ask if it happens every time
[22:30] <ofirk> amichair: yes
[22:30] <amichair> JontheEchidna: yeah, it happens every time u run spk with a non-latin locale
[22:30] <ofirk> amichair: but thanks for pointing this out, I almost forgot it!
[22:31] <apachelogger> oh
[22:31] <apachelogger> my
[22:31] <apachelogger> vader
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so I got that stupid crash report notification again
[22:31] <apachelogger> ...at login ... as usual
[22:31] <amichair> ofirk: when you have a working version, I'd be happy to proof it
[22:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and apport did take like 1 minute to figure out that the app from which the report came is no longer installed
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> lulz
[22:32] <apachelogger> and then apport was going like ... uh that report is no valid because foobarz is not installed!!!! omg!!!
[22:32] <apachelogger> and I was like... what are you talking aobut
[22:32] <apachelogger> and then I xkilled it
[22:32] <amichair> ofirk: r u perhaps familiar with an RTL language?
[22:32]  * apachelogger feels much better now
[22:32] <ofirk> amichair: I speak Hebrew
[22:32] <ofirk> amichair: why?
[22:33] <amichair> ofirk: do progress bars really go from LTR? it looks really wierd.
[22:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can we somehow burn apport?
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: the launchpad crash retracer usually gets backed up with retracing requests, then as an excuse to how it fails at retracing, it rejects them all the next week since there have been new updates since.
[22:33] <amichair> ofirk: I meant, from RTL
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: burn it with fire! it's the only way to be sure
[22:33] <ofirk> amichair: in which picture you see it?
[22:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and then pipe it to /dev/null, just to be extra save
[22:35] <amichair> ofirk: unrelated to the website... I was fixing up progressbars on ubiquity and tested Hebrew
[22:35] <ofirk> amichair: oh. no they don't
[22:35] <amichair> ofirk: there are many RTL issues there, and I noticed the progressbar goes the other way... was wondering if this is normal. Seems wierd to me.
[22:36] <ofirk> amichair: but I base that on my old memories from Windows...
[22:37] <ofirk> amichair: actually, I think it is really wrong to make them go RTL!
[22:37] <amichair> ofirk: I tried googling it or looking for a sample on youtube, but came up empty.
[22:37] <ofirk> amichair: you talking about progress bars on RTL systems other than linux?
[22:38] <amichair> ofirk: progress bars in general, I guess
[22:38] <amichair> ofirk: digits are LTR (in Arabic too, iirc), so it makes sense the progress (percentage) would be LTR, however Qt makes them RTL. I'm just not sure what's right.
[22:40] <amichair> ofirk: btw, are u involved with the slideshow there by any chance?
[22:41] <ofirk> amichair: no, I just fixed the kubuntu logo
[22:42] <amichair> ofirk: ah, ok. The artwork does feel consistent with the site (and looks good!)
[22:42] <ofirk> amichair: I found a video on youtube which says that progress bars on Windows actually DO go RTL!!!!!!!!!
[22:42] <amichair> link?
[22:43] <ofirk> amichair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfH5nsi_kmE
[22:43] <ofirk> on 1:45
[22:45] <amichair> hehe, he's shaking it around a lot
[22:45] <amichair> Iit sure looks wrong, in the moral sense :-)
[22:46] <amichair> But it's one less bug to fix, I suppose...
[22:46] <ofirk> yes
[22:47] <amichair> ofirk: Well, I've learned something today. Thanks!
[22:47] <ofirk> do you use KDE with Hebrew?
[22:47] <amichair> ofirk: only when testing unicode/RTL bugs...
[22:48] <ofirk> amichair: I too, I guess it looks weird since we are used to LTR interfaces
[22:49] <ofirk> amichair: BTW, if you need help with translation to Hebrew or any other help (not related to C, C++ programming) I would love to help
[22:49] <maco> ofirk: have you seen the translation part of launchpad.net?
[22:49] <amichair> ofirk: I'm sure there's work to do (but have no idea how or who)
[22:50] <ofirk> maco: yes, I actually in Ubuntu Hebrew Translators group
[22:50] <maco> ohok
[22:51] <amichair> ofirk: the whole ubiquity slideshow was not translated, at least as of the daily-live, plus some other parts of ubiquity. I suppose it's as good a place to start as any :-)