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[15:16] <vgrade> hi guys, anyone hacking the joggler here?
[15:17] <persia> joggler?
[15:23] <vgrade> http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler - 7inch - atom - touchscreen - efi based device
[15:26] <persia> permission denied here.  Have you a model number?
[15:28] <vgrade> http://www.slashgear.com/o2-joggler-home-media-tablet-price-slashed-0180022/
[15:30] <persia> Nifty!  Does it run Ubuntu cleanly?
[15:34] <vgrade> it runs Ubuntu Netbook Remix but this does not utilise the touchscreen
[15:37] <vgrade> it runs the 2.6.24-19-lpia kernel
[15:38] <persia> Do you know which touchscreen it has?
[15:38] <vgrade> ive just downloaded mccaslin usb image, this seems to use the same kernel so this may me possible  
[15:39] <persia> "lpia" is just hype.  It ought do fine with any i386 image.
[15:40] <persia> The bits that I think might need work are 1) the installer (I'm unsure if the flavour of EFI on that hardware is handled right, or how the device boots), and the drivers (e.g. touchscreen, audio, etc.)
[15:42] <vgrade> we have efi and an elilo bootmanager working
[15:42] <persia> with d-i?
[15:43] <vgrade> going to try to disct the mccaslin image to extract the filesystems , add in the ko's we need
[15:43] <vgrade> d-i?
[15:45] <persia> debian-installer
[15:45] <persia> No reason to dissect the entire image.  You should be able to just get that from the kernel packages.
[15:45]  * persia hunts up a link
[15:46] <persia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lpia has 2.6.28 and 2.6.27
[15:49] <vgrade> thanks i'll have a look
[15:49] <vgrade> what are you targeting here
[15:50] <persia> Hrm, seems that the 8.06 release expired it's 18-month support, and the archive is missing (or I just can't find it).
[15:50] <persia> We're generally focused on ways to improve support for the current development release of Ubuntu for mobile devices.
[15:50] <persia> So the kernel is 2.6.32 (because that's what is in lucid).
[15:51] <persia> Prior work has been stuff like Ubuntu MID, Ubuntu UMPC, and Ubuntu Netbook (now passed to the Desktop team, and more mainstream).
[15:51] <persia> This cycle there's been some light work on LXDE and Qt/Plasma but nothing that was solid enough to publish.
[15:52] <persia> I know that both LXDE and Qt/plasma for mobile are planned for next cycle, and I hear rumours of a couple more things people may introduce at UDS.
[15:53] <vgrade> Touch devices will be the NBT so we need support in the GUI's, 
[15:54] <persia> NBT?
[15:55] <vgrade> net big thing
[15:55] <vgrade> next big thing
[15:56] <persia> The trick is finding stuff that works for both point-size-pointers and finger-size-pointers.
[15:56] <persia> There's a lot of patches out there that work for one or the other, but only work for one way, unfortunately.
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