| ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (22)) | 00:03 |
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| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) | 00:03 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) | 00:03 |
| ikonia | done | 00:04 |
| Mamarok | maco: Lucida has been told repeatedly already for Spanish, this is getting annoying | 00:25 |
| maco | Mamarok: bah. i see. | 00:27 |
| Mamarok | and s/he PM'ed people randomly asking them where they are from | 00:28 |
| maco | argh. ok. does she speak english then? | 00:59 |
| maco | or was it "de donde eres?" | 01:00 |
| maco | Mamarok: ^ | 01:00 |
| Mamarok | exactly, apparently she just PM'ed somebody else | 01:02 |
| Mamarok | Maybe a gentle kick if she does it again might me needed | 01:02 |
| maco | yes | 01:14 |
| maco | however the !pm factoid is in english right? | 01:14 |
| maco | Mamarok: ok i just said in the channel, in spanish, the rules to her | 01:18 |
| maco | (or at least something approximating spanish...) | 01:18 |
| maco | ok she pm'd me now. repeated the request not to pm without permission and told her i would remove her from #kubuntu if she continued | 01:23 |
| maco | Mamarok: she says she's in #kubuntu-es now | 01:30 |
| ubottu | MarkDude called the ops in #ubuntu-women () | 05:16 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, maco said: no !ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! | 06:01 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, maco said: no !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! | 06:04 |
| maco | there was no factoid for u-w-project and the nick list was out of date for u-w | 06:04 |
| === KB1JWQ is now known as TheOracle | ||
| === TheOracle is now known as KB1JWQ | ||
| bazhang | !no ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! | 06:24 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that bazhang | 06:24 |
| bazhang | whoops | 06:24 |
| maco | whoops? | 06:24 |
| bazhang | !no ops-#ubuntu-women is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! | 06:24 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that bazhang | 06:24 |
| maco | oh | 06:25 |
| maco | the reply word | 06:25 |
| bazhang | yep | 06:25 |
| maco | bazhang: -project too? | 06:26 |
| bazhang | maco #ubuntu-women-project ? | 06:26 |
| maco | yeah. it has a different list. i said it up there ^ | 06:26 |
| bazhang | ok | 06:27 |
| maco | thanks | 06:27 |
| bazhang | !no ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! | 06:27 |
| ubottu | I know nothing about ops-#ubuntu-women-project yet, bazhang | 06:27 |
| bazhang | !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! | 06:28 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, bazhang | 06:28 |
| bazhang | maco, that should work | 06:28 |
| maco | bazhang: thank you | 06:29 |
| Mamarok | bazhang: I am an op in #ubuntu-women-project, too | 07:10 |
| Mamarok | maco: ^ | 07:11 |
| maco | not according to chanserv, unless you're on the ircc | 07:11 |
| Mamarok | maco: well, ask agraner | 07:12 |
| maco | or freenode staff | 07:12 |
| Mamarok | unless I was removed | 07:12 |
| Mamarok | but nobody told me | 07:12 |
| maco | i dont think anyone ever got around to making the access lists match | 07:13 |
| maco | because remember we talked about there being like 10 people missing from -project's list? | 07:13 |
| Mamarok | yes, I do *sigh* | 07:13 |
| mneptok | Mamarok: rumor has it you're involved with the FSFE | 07:13 |
| Mamarok | mneptok: oh, does it? :) | 07:13 |
| mneptok | Mamarok: indeed :) | 07:14 |
| mneptok | Mamarok: http://www.flickr.com/photos/luciansavluc/522938931/sizes/o/ | 07:14 |
| mneptok | Mamarok: Georg and i are old chums. small world. | 07:14 |
| Mamarok | why is this a rumor? I always was, long before I started being involved with Ubuntu | 07:14 |
| bazhang | well if you can op there you are op :) | 07:19 |
| bazhang | Mamarok, I'll edit the factoid | 07:19 |
| maco | i dont think she can though... | 07:19 |
| maco | i dont have access to fix the access list | 07:19 |
| bazhang | ok | 07:19 |
| Mamarok | if I am not in the chanserv list, I doubt I can | 07:19 |
| maco | i asked amber but i think she forgot | 07:19 |
| Mamarok | well, maybe remembering her might be useful :) | 07:20 |
| bazhang | well it can be changed in a thrice | 07:20 |
| * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee | 14:32 | |
| Pici | !test | 15:20 |
| ubottu | hrm? | 15:20 |
| jussi01 | anyone up for some wolfie? | 15:43 |
| ubottu | Pirate_Hunter called the ops in #ubuntu () | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Trek called the ops in #ubuntu (Guest24481) | 16:09 |
| topyli | !away > Katie|Away | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Pirate_Hunter called the ops in #ubuntu () | 19:48 |
| robertzaccour | hey yall | 21:24 |
| robertzaccour | i want to appeal a chat ban on me | 21:24 |
| robertzaccour | i have the chat records in email also | 21:25 |
| TheSheep | There are some links in the topic with advices | 21:33 |
| robertzaccour | here's the chat log | 21:34 |
| robertzaccour | http://pastebin.com/1mcXwB3x | 21:34 |
| robertzaccour | please read through it and as you can see, the hostility is mainly directed toward me | 21:35 |
| robertzaccour | and i get banned after nicely correcting a couple of the mod's buddies | 21:37 |
| maco | you mean after you started making jokes about guns and murder? | 21:37 |
| robertzaccour | maco, the ban was after i nicely corrected a couple of the mod's buddies, and i apologized for making jokes before asking about chat user sensitivity | 21:38 |
| robertzaccour | i admit the jokes should have remained unsaid, but getting banned for nicely correcting misinformed users? | 21:39 |
| robertzaccour | and i don't recall any jokes about murder | 21:40 |
| TheSheep | you got banned for the jokes and for not stopping when told to by an op, that's why you got a link to the guidelines with your ban message | 21:40 |
| maco | i dont see the bit about misinformed users | 21:40 |
| robertzaccour | maco, its down near the end when a user tries to have an argue fest with me i have no idea why | 21:41 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: that's unrelated to your ban | 21:41 |
| TheSheep | I guess | 21:41 |
| maco | yeah i think the ban was just slow | 21:42 |
| maco | though possibly this is what was the final push over: | 21:42 |
| maco | <robertzaccour> i like to joke around. i admit i didn't check to make sure my audience wasn't sensitive, however its not my fault certain people got their panties in a bunch | 21:42 |
| maco | it's up to you to take responsibility for your offensiveness. | 21:42 |
| robertzaccour | maco, that part i shouldn't have said, however did you notice from the start of the chat til the end, i was being criticized for no reason? | 21:44 |
| robertzaccour | maco, start from the top and see. did the mod reprimand his buddies? throughout the chat session he did not | 21:44 |
| TheSheep | that's not realted to your ban though | 21:45 |
| robertzaccour | maco, i don't think you realize the biased behavior in the chat | 21:45 |
| maco | i see people (correctly) telling you you're wrong, and then i see people getting annoyed after your inappropriate attempt at humour | 21:45 |
| robertzaccour | maco, do you also see the insulting sarcasm with it? | 21:46 |
| maco | i also see multiple ops telling you your jokes were inappropriate | 21:46 |
| maco | and giving you warnings about it | 21:46 |
| robertzaccour | maco, and i apologized | 21:46 |
| maco | telling people their panties are in a bunch does not an apology make | 21:47 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: are you trying to say that your ban should be lifted because someone else also behaved wrong? | 21:47 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, i think it should be because of the obvious criticism throughout the chat. i didn't refrain from inappropriate jokes, however i also help people in the chat when i can rather than insulting them | 21:48 |
| maco | ah the old two wrongs make a right? | 21:48 |
| robertzaccour | is what i did worse than insulting a user for having a question? i at least help users when i can | 21:49 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: the thing is, ops have to work to keep such jokes outside the channel, even if it means that some helpful people get banned -- hopefully, we can get those people to help without behaving inapropriately | 21:50 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, and was me being insulted for no reason from the start of the chat appropriate behavior? | 21:50 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: at least that's my understanding, as I don't really have power in that particular channel | 21:50 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: I take it the behavior of other people was dealt with apropriately too, but we are talking about you now | 21:51 |
| robertzaccour | the mod had nothing to say to rude users, just the guy that told jokes he didn't like. shouldn't mods be more moderated maybe? perhaps get user feedback? recommendations? etc | 21:52 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, if you read the chat it wasn't dealt with at all | 21:52 |
| TheSheep | robertzaccour: it's a difficult thing to moderate such a big channel, but some things are clearly off limits | 21:52 |
| robertzaccour | it was completely biased toward certain users and against me | 21:52 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, is disrespecting other users off limits? is the mods doing nothing about it at all off limits? | 21:53 |
| robertzaccour | if you read the chat its clear biasedness | 21:53 |
| TheSheep | yes, it was biased agains people who do things that are explicitly and clearly forbidden, because that's easy to judge, being rude is harder to judge | 21:54 |
| TheSheep | that still doesn't make you innocent | 21:54 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, is being rude to other people in chat clearly forbidden? | 21:54 |
| TheSheep | there is no mathematical formula for rudeness | 21:54 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, i didn't say it did. i even apologized and was about to again but i couldn't because i was banned | 21:54 |
| TheSheep | lelet me clarify something | 21:55 |
| TheSheep | are you here to talk about your ban? | 21:55 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, read from the top down a little ways and notice blatant rudeness | 21:55 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, thats partly it, and also the biasedness in the chat with the ops | 21:55 |
| TheSheep | you will have to handle that separately | 21:56 |
| robertzaccour | did the mods say anything to the users that were rude to me? maybe some of the mods abuse their power in the chats | 21:56 |
| TheSheep | your ban can be probably dealt with here (not by me though), with the rest you should probably follow the appeal process or something | 21:57 |
| TheSheep | the link in the topic has some details | 21:58 |
| robertzaccour | TheSheep, you have the chat log right their | 21:58 |
| TheSheep | but I'm not a moderator of that channel | 21:58 |
| TheSheep | I can only give you advice | 21:58 |
| TheSheep | and hope that it helps somehow | 21:59 |
| robertzaccour | ok thanks | 21:59 |
| robertzaccour | hey | 22:00 |
| robertzaccour | which contact link do i click? | 22:00 |
| robertzaccour | ubuntu-irc email or council email? | 22:00 |
| TheSheep | I'd read about the process first, I never went through that myself so can't tell | 22:01 |
| maco | council, i think | 22:02 |
| robertzaccour | thanks | 22:03 |
| kn1200 | Is webchat banned in #ubuntu or is me specifically that is banned (my nick usually is kn100 but am having system trouble at the minute) | 23:46 |
| mneptok | webchat users should get an auto-exemption from the bots when they try to /join | 23:47 |
| mneptok | @login | 23:47 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 23:47 |
| kn1200 | So it's not 'me' that is banned, it's an issue with the channel? | 23:49 |
| mneptok | unknown. i'm looking into it. | 23:49 |
| kn1200 | OK thanks :D | 23:49 |
| mneptok | there does not seem to be a ban for you | 23:51 |
| mneptok | so maybe the bots are having a bit of difficulty | 23:51 |
| mneptok | are you using a system with a JRE? | 23:52 |
| kn1200 | I assume so, I think xubuntu comes with a JRE by default | 23:53 |
| mneptok | try this - http://www.bratschi.net/cbirc/cbirc.jnlp | 23:53 |
| kn1200 | It's just asking me to save the file | 23:54 |
| * mnep_jnlp waves | 23:54 | |
| mnep_jnlp | works for me :) | 23:54 |
| kn1200 | don't worry though, I'll just get xchat and connect through that | 23:54 |
| mneptok | there ya go | 23:54 |
| mneptok | webchat is sooooo ghetto | 23:55 |
| mneptok | :P | 23:55 |
| kn1200 | but before I do that, is there a way I can install the nvidia drivers without having to use jockey? jockey just won't find the drivers even though it has works every other time | 23:55 |
| kn1200 | heh | 23:55 |
| mneptok | sorry, this is not a support channel | 23:55 |
| kn1200 | Ok, thanks anyway | 23:56 |
| kn1200 | o/ | 23:56 |
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