[00:03] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (22)) [00:03] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [00:03] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [00:04] done [00:25] maco: Lucida has been told repeatedly already for Spanish, this is getting annoying [00:27] Mamarok: bah. i see. [00:28] and s/he PM'ed people randomly asking them where they are from [00:59] argh. ok. does she speak english then? [01:00] or was it "de donde eres?" [01:00] Mamarok: ^ [01:02] exactly, apparently she just PM'ed somebody else [01:02] Maybe a gentle kick if she does it again might me needed [01:14] yes [01:14] however the !pm factoid is in english right? [01:18] Mamarok: ok i just said in the channel, in spanish, the rules to her [01:18] (or at least something approximating spanish...) [01:23] ok she pm'd me now. repeated the request not to pm without permission and told her i would remove her from #kubuntu if she continued [01:30] Mamarok: she says she's in #kubuntu-es now [05:16] MarkDude called the ops in #ubuntu-women () [06:01] In ubottu, maco said: no !ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! [06:04] In ubottu, maco said: no !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! [06:04] there was no factoid for u-w-project and the nick list was out of date for u-w === KB1JWQ is now known as TheOracle === TheOracle is now known as KB1JWQ [06:24] !no ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! [06:24] I'll remember that bazhang [06:24] whoops [06:24] whoops? [06:24] !no ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk! [06:24] I'll remember that bazhang [06:25] oh [06:25] the reply word [06:25] yep [06:26] bazhang: -project too? [06:26] maco #ubuntu-women-project ? [06:26] yeah. it has a different list. i said it up there ^ [06:27] ok [06:27] thanks [06:27] !no ops-#ubuntu-women-project is BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! [06:27] I know nothing about ops-#ubuntu-women-project yet, bazhang [06:28] !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici! [06:28] I'll remember that, bazhang [06:28] maco, that should work [06:29] bazhang: thank you [07:10] bazhang: I am an op in #ubuntu-women-project, too [07:11] maco: ^ [07:11] not according to chanserv, unless you're on the ircc [07:12] maco: well, ask agraner [07:12] or freenode staff [07:12] unless I was removed [07:12] but nobody told me [07:13] i dont think anyone ever got around to making the access lists match [07:13] because remember we talked about there being like 10 people missing from -project's list? [07:13] yes, I do *sigh* [07:13] Mamarok: rumor has it you're involved with the FSFE [07:13] mneptok: oh, does it? :) [07:14] Mamarok: indeed :) [07:14] Mamarok: http://www.flickr.com/photos/luciansavluc/522938931/sizes/o/ [07:14] Mamarok: Georg and i are old chums. small world. [07:14] why is this a rumor? I always was, long before I started being involved with Ubuntu [07:19] well if you can op there you are op :) [07:19] Mamarok, I'll edit the factoid [07:19] i dont think she can though... [07:19] i dont have access to fix the access list [07:19] ok [07:19] if I am not in the chanserv list, I doubt I can [07:19] i asked amber but i think she forgot [07:20] well, maybe remembering her might be useful :) [07:20] well it can be changed in a thrice [14:32] * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee [15:20] !test [15:20] hrm? [15:43] anyone up for some wolfie? [16:08] Pirate_Hunter called the ops in #ubuntu () [16:09] Trek called the ops in #ubuntu (Guest24481) [18:28] !away > Katie|Away [19:48] Pirate_Hunter called the ops in #ubuntu () [21:24] hey yall [21:24] i want to appeal a chat ban on me [21:25] i have the chat records in email also [21:33] There are some links in the topic with advices [21:34] here's the chat log [21:34] http://pastebin.com/1mcXwB3x [21:35] please read through it and as you can see, the hostility is mainly directed toward me [21:37] and i get banned after nicely correcting a couple of the mod's buddies [21:37] you mean after you started making jokes about guns and murder? [21:38] maco, the ban was after i nicely corrected a couple of the mod's buddies, and i apologized for making jokes before asking about chat user sensitivity [21:39] i admit the jokes should have remained unsaid, but getting banned for nicely correcting misinformed users? [21:40] and i don't recall any jokes about murder [21:40] you got banned for the jokes and for not stopping when told to by an op, that's why you got a link to the guidelines with your ban message [21:40] i dont see the bit about misinformed users [21:41] maco, its down near the end when a user tries to have an argue fest with me i have no idea why [21:41] robertzaccour: that's unrelated to your ban [21:41] I guess [21:42] yeah i think the ban was just slow [21:42] though possibly this is what was the final push over: [21:42] i like to joke around. i admit i didn't check to make sure my audience wasn't sensitive, however its not my fault certain people got their panties in a bunch [21:42] it's up to you to take responsibility for your offensiveness. [21:44] maco, that part i shouldn't have said, however did you notice from the start of the chat til the end, i was being criticized for no reason? [21:44] maco, start from the top and see. did the mod reprimand his buddies? throughout the chat session he did not [21:45] that's not realted to your ban though [21:45] maco, i don't think you realize the biased behavior in the chat [21:45] i see people (correctly) telling you you're wrong, and then i see people getting annoyed after your inappropriate attempt at humour [21:46] maco, do you also see the insulting sarcasm with it? [21:46] i also see multiple ops telling you your jokes were inappropriate [21:46] and giving you warnings about it [21:46] maco, and i apologized [21:47] telling people their panties are in a bunch does not an apology make [21:47] robertzaccour: are you trying to say that your ban should be lifted because someone else also behaved wrong? [21:48] TheSheep, i think it should be because of the obvious criticism throughout the chat. i didn't refrain from inappropriate jokes, however i also help people in the chat when i can rather than insulting them [21:48] ah the old two wrongs make a right? [21:49] is what i did worse than insulting a user for having a question? i at least help users when i can [21:50] robertzaccour: the thing is, ops have to work to keep such jokes outside the channel, even if it means that some helpful people get banned -- hopefully, we can get those people to help without behaving inapropriately [21:50] TheSheep, and was me being insulted for no reason from the start of the chat appropriate behavior? [21:50] robertzaccour: at least that's my understanding, as I don't really have power in that particular channel [21:51] robertzaccour: I take it the behavior of other people was dealt with apropriately too, but we are talking about you now [21:52] the mod had nothing to say to rude users, just the guy that told jokes he didn't like. shouldn't mods be more moderated maybe? perhaps get user feedback? recommendations? etc [21:52] TheSheep, if you read the chat it wasn't dealt with at all [21:52] robertzaccour: it's a difficult thing to moderate such a big channel, but some things are clearly off limits [21:52] it was completely biased toward certain users and against me [21:53] TheSheep, is disrespecting other users off limits? is the mods doing nothing about it at all off limits? [21:53] if you read the chat its clear biasedness [21:54] yes, it was biased agains people who do things that are explicitly and clearly forbidden, because that's easy to judge, being rude is harder to judge [21:54] that still doesn't make you innocent [21:54] TheSheep, is being rude to other people in chat clearly forbidden? [21:54] there is no mathematical formula for rudeness [21:54] TheSheep, i didn't say it did. i even apologized and was about to again but i couldn't because i was banned [21:55] lelet me clarify something [21:55] are you here to talk about your ban? [21:55] TheSheep, read from the top down a little ways and notice blatant rudeness [21:55] TheSheep, thats partly it, and also the biasedness in the chat with the ops [21:56] you will have to handle that separately [21:56] did the mods say anything to the users that were rude to me? maybe some of the mods abuse their power in the chats [21:57] your ban can be probably dealt with here (not by me though), with the rest you should probably follow the appeal process or something [21:58] the link in the topic has some details [21:58] TheSheep, you have the chat log right their [21:58] but I'm not a moderator of that channel [21:58] I can only give you advice [21:59] and hope that it helps somehow [21:59] ok thanks [22:00] hey [22:00] which contact link do i click? [22:00] ubuntu-irc email or council email? [22:01] I'd read about the process first, I never went through that myself so can't tell [22:02] council, i think [22:03] thanks [23:46] Is webchat banned in #ubuntu or is me specifically that is banned (my nick usually is kn100 but am having system trouble at the minute) [23:47] webchat users should get an auto-exemption from the bots when they try to /join [23:47] @login [23:47] The operation succeeded. [23:49] So it's not 'me' that is banned, it's an issue with the channel? [23:49] unknown. i'm looking into it. [23:49] OK thanks :D [23:51] there does not seem to be a ban for you [23:51] so maybe the bots are having a bit of difficulty [23:52] are you using a system with a JRE? [23:53] I assume so, I think xubuntu comes with a JRE by default [23:53] try this - http://www.bratschi.net/cbirc/cbirc.jnlp [23:54] It's just asking me to save the file [23:54] * mnep_jnlp waves [23:54] works for me :) [23:54] don't worry though, I'll just get xchat and connect through that [23:54] there ya go [23:55] webchat is sooooo ghetto [23:55] :P [23:55] but before I do that, is there a way I can install the nvidia drivers without having to use jockey? jockey just won't find the drivers even though it has works every other time [23:55] heh [23:55] sorry, this is not a support channel [23:56] Ok, thanks anyway [23:56] o/