[00:04] <ikonia> done
[00:25] <Mamarok> maco: Lucida has been told repeatedly already for Spanish, this is getting annoying
[00:27] <maco> Mamarok: bah. i see.
[00:28] <Mamarok> and s/he PM'ed people randomly asking them where they are from
[00:59] <maco> argh. ok. does she speak english then?
[01:00] <maco> or was it "de donde eres?"
[01:00] <maco> Mamarok: ^
[01:02] <Mamarok> exactly, apparently she just PM'ed somebody else
[01:02] <Mamarok> Maybe a gentle kick if she does it again might me needed
[01:14] <maco> yes
[01:14] <maco> however the !pm factoid is in english right?
[01:18] <maco> Mamarok: ok i just said in the channel, in spanish, the rules to her
[01:18] <maco> (or at least something approximating spanish...)
[01:23] <maco> ok she pm'd me now. repeated the request not to pm without permission and told her i would remove her from #kubuntu if she continued
[01:30] <maco> Mamarok: she says she's in #kubuntu-es now
[06:04] <maco> there was no factoid for u-w-project and the nick list was out of date for u-w
[06:24] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women is BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk!
[06:24] <bazhang> whoops
[06:24] <maco> whoops?
[06:24] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! PriceChild, Nightrose, JanC, Aishiko, Gary, christel, Susana, Hobbsee, pleia2, LadyFrost, elky, Myrtti, hypa7ia, maco, nikkiana, Gareth, akgraner, svaksha, Mamarok, MichelleQ, Pendulum, or akk!
[06:25] <maco> oh
[06:25] <maco> the reply word
[06:25] <bazhang> yep
[06:26] <maco> bazhang: -project too?
[06:26] <bazhang> maco #ubuntu-women-project ?
[06:26] <maco> yeah. it has a different list. i said it up there ^
[06:27] <bazhang> ok
[06:27] <maco> thanks
[06:27] <bazhang> !no ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici!
[06:28] <bazhang> !ops-#ubuntu-women-project is <reply> BWEEP! Channel emergency! Help akgraner, pleia2, elky, hypa7ia, maco, Hobbsee, Gareth, Myrtti, jussi01, or Pici!
[06:28] <bazhang> maco, that should work
[06:29] <maco> bazhang: thank you
[07:10] <Mamarok> bazhang: I am an op in #ubuntu-women-project, too
[07:11] <Mamarok> maco: ^
[07:11] <maco> not according to chanserv, unless you're on the ircc
[07:12] <Mamarok> maco: well, ask agraner
[07:12] <maco> or freenode staff
[07:12] <Mamarok> unless I was removed
[07:12] <Mamarok> but nobody told me
[07:13] <maco> i dont think anyone ever got around to making the access lists match
[07:13] <maco> because remember we talked about there being like 10 people missing from -project's list?
[07:13] <Mamarok> yes, I do *sigh*
[07:13] <mneptok> Mamarok: rumor has it you're involved with the FSFE
[07:13] <Mamarok> mneptok: oh, does it? :)
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: indeed :)
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: http://www.flickr.com/photos/luciansavluc/522938931/sizes/o/
[07:14] <mneptok> Mamarok: Georg and i are old chums. small world.
[07:14] <Mamarok> why is this a rumor? I always was, long before I started being involved with Ubuntu
[07:19] <bazhang> well if you can op there you are op :)
[07:19] <bazhang> Mamarok, I'll edit the factoid
[07:19] <maco> i dont think she can though...
[07:19] <maco> i dont have access to fix the access list
[07:19] <bazhang> ok
[07:19] <Mamarok> if I am not in the chanserv list, I doubt I can
[07:19] <maco> i asked amber but i think she forgot
[07:20] <Mamarok> well, maybe remembering her might be useful :)
[07:20] <bazhang> well it can be changed in a thrice
[14:32]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee
[15:20] <Pici> !test
[15:43] <jussi01> anyone up for some wolfie?
[18:28] <topyli> !away > Katie|Away
[21:24] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[21:24] <robertzaccour> i want to appeal a chat ban on me
[21:25] <robertzaccour> i have the chat records in email also
[21:33] <TheSheep> There are some links in the topic with advices
[21:34] <robertzaccour> here's the chat log
[21:34] <robertzaccour> http://pastebin.com/1mcXwB3x
[21:35] <robertzaccour> please read through it and as you can see, the hostility is mainly directed toward me
[21:37] <robertzaccour> and i get banned after nicely correcting a couple of the mod's buddies
[21:37] <maco> you mean after you started making jokes about guns and murder?
[21:38] <robertzaccour> maco, the ban was after i nicely corrected a couple of the mod's buddies, and i apologized for making jokes before asking about chat user sensitivity
[21:39] <robertzaccour> i admit the jokes should have remained unsaid, but getting banned for nicely correcting misinformed users?
[21:40] <robertzaccour> and i don't recall any jokes about murder
[21:40] <TheSheep> you got banned for the jokes and for not stopping when told to by an op, that's why you got a link to the guidelines with your ban message
[21:40] <maco> i dont see the bit about misinformed users
[21:41] <robertzaccour> maco, its down near the end when a user tries to have an argue fest with me i have no idea why
[21:41] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: that's unrelated to your ban
[21:41] <TheSheep> I guess
[21:42] <maco> yeah i think the ban was just slow
[21:42] <maco> though possibly this is what was the final push over:
 i like to joke around. i admit i didn't check to make sure my audience wasn't sensitive, however its not my fault certain people got their panties in a bunch
[21:42] <maco> it's up to you to take responsibility for your offensiveness.
[21:44] <robertzaccour> maco, that part i shouldn't have said, however did you notice from the start of the chat til the end, i was being criticized for no reason?
[21:44] <robertzaccour> maco, start from the top and see. did the mod reprimand his buddies? throughout the chat session he did not
[21:45] <TheSheep> that's not realted to your ban though
[21:45] <robertzaccour> maco, i don't think you realize the biased behavior in the chat
[21:45] <maco> i see people (correctly) telling you you're wrong, and then i see people getting annoyed after your inappropriate attempt at humour
[21:46] <robertzaccour> maco, do you also see the insulting sarcasm with it?
[21:46] <maco> i also see multiple ops telling you your jokes were inappropriate
[21:46] <maco> and giving you warnings about it
[21:46] <robertzaccour> maco, and i apologized
[21:47] <maco> telling people their panties are in a bunch does not an apology make
[21:47] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: are you trying to say that your ban should be lifted because someone else also behaved wrong?
[21:48] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, i think it should be because of the obvious criticism throughout the chat. i didn't refrain from inappropriate jokes, however i also help people in the chat when i can rather than insulting them
[21:48] <maco> ah the old two wrongs make a right?
[21:49] <robertzaccour> is what i did worse than insulting a user for having a question? i at least help users when i can
[21:50] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: the thing is, ops have to work to keep such jokes outside the channel, even if it means that some helpful people get banned -- hopefully, we can get those people to help without behaving inapropriately
[21:50] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, and was me being insulted for no reason from the start of the chat appropriate behavior?
[21:50] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: at least that's my understanding, as I don't really have power in that particular channel
[21:51] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: I take it the behavior of other people was dealt with apropriately too, but we are talking about you now
[21:52] <robertzaccour> the mod had nothing to say to rude users, just the guy that told jokes he didn't like. shouldn't mods be more moderated maybe? perhaps get user feedback? recommendations? etc
[21:52] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, if you read the chat it wasn't dealt with at all
[21:52] <TheSheep> robertzaccour: it's a difficult thing to moderate such a big channel, but some things are clearly off limits
[21:52] <robertzaccour> it was completely biased toward certain users and against me
[21:53] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, is disrespecting other users off limits? is the mods doing nothing about it at all off limits?
[21:53] <robertzaccour> if you read the chat its clear biasedness
[21:54] <TheSheep> yes, it was biased agains people who do things that are explicitly and clearly forbidden, because that's easy to judge, being rude is harder to judge
[21:54] <TheSheep> that still doesn't make you innocent
[21:54] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, is being rude to other people in chat clearly forbidden?
[21:54] <TheSheep> there is no mathematical formula for rudeness
[21:54] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, i didn't say it did. i even apologized and was about to again but i couldn't because i was banned
[21:55] <TheSheep> lelet me clarify something
[21:55] <TheSheep> are you here to talk about your ban?
[21:55] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, read from the top down a little ways and notice blatant rudeness
[21:55] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, thats partly it, and also the biasedness in the chat with the ops
[21:56] <TheSheep> you will have to handle that separately
[21:56] <robertzaccour> did the mods say anything to the users that were rude to me? maybe some of the mods abuse their power in the chats
[21:57] <TheSheep> your ban can be probably dealt with here (not by me though), with the rest you should probably follow the appeal process or something
[21:58] <TheSheep> the link in the topic has some details
[21:58] <robertzaccour> TheSheep, you have the chat log right their
[21:58] <TheSheep> but I'm not a moderator of that channel
[21:58] <TheSheep> I can only give you advice
[21:59] <TheSheep> and hope that it helps somehow
[21:59] <robertzaccour> ok thanks
[22:00] <robertzaccour> hey
[22:00] <robertzaccour> which contact link do i click?
[22:00] <robertzaccour> ubuntu-irc email or council email?
[22:01] <TheSheep> I'd read about the process first, I never went through that myself so can't tell
[22:02] <maco> council, i think
[22:03] <robertzaccour> thanks
[23:46] <kn1200> Is webchat banned in #ubuntu or is me specifically that is banned (my nick usually is kn100 but am having system trouble at the minute)
[23:47] <mneptok> webchat users should get an auto-exemption from the bots when they try to /join
[23:47] <mneptok> @login
[23:49] <kn1200> So it's not 'me' that is banned, it's an issue with the channel?
[23:49] <mneptok> unknown. i'm looking into it.
[23:49] <kn1200> OK thanks :D
[23:51] <mneptok> there does not seem to be a ban for you
[23:51] <mneptok> so maybe the bots are having a bit of difficulty
[23:52] <mneptok> are you using a system with a JRE?
[23:53] <kn1200> I assume so, I think xubuntu comes with a JRE by default
[23:53] <mneptok> try this - http://www.bratschi.net/cbirc/cbirc.jnlp
[23:54] <kn1200> It's just asking me to save the file
[23:54]  * mnep_jnlp waves
[23:54] <mnep_jnlp> works for me :)
[23:54] <kn1200> don't worry though, I'll just get xchat and connect through that
[23:54] <mneptok> there ya go
[23:55] <mneptok> webchat is sooooo ghetto
[23:55] <mneptok> :P
[23:55] <kn1200> but before I do that, is there a way I can install the nvidia drivers without having to use jockey? jockey just won't find the drivers even though it has works every other time
[23:55] <kn1200> heh
[23:55] <mneptok> sorry, this is not a support channel
[23:56] <kn1200> Ok, thanks anyway
[23:56] <kn1200> o/