[11:00] highvoltage: todays the day :) [12:36] bencrisford: cool! I'm just catching up on a few things but I'll be around the whole day and give a bunch of bugs attention as well! [12:37] (ps: I'm awake during more or less EDT timezome so day is more or less starting for me now :p) [12:40] highvoltage: ok awesome :), #ubuntu-bugs is looking a bit dead at the moment, but hopefully a little later there'll be plenty of people around helping us squash some bugs :) [12:40] and EDT? :P I thought you lived in south africa? [12:42] i'm gonna make some lunch, back soon [12:43] bencrisford: I do, but I work for a canadian company [12:59] highvoltage: ah [13:41] good morning everyone [13:44] good morning mgariepy [13:45] mgariepy: good morning, and happy bug day! :) [13:45] highvoltage, will you be over here by the summer ? [13:45] mgariepy: sheesh. who knows. [13:46] mgariepy: my visa can come any day... but it's been like that for the past 3 weeks, I don't know anymore [13:46] ok ;) [13:46] mgariepy: I check my postbox every day, as soon as I have it I'll be there in less than two weeks [13:47] ok [13:47] so shall we schedule a beer somewhere for 2012 ? [13:47] ;) [13:47] mgariepy: to make things worse, I can't even apply for a visa for the UDS because the canadian embassy has my passport [13:47] mgariepy: hehe, yes, before the world ends :) [13:48] yeah the day before then haha [14:10] is there anything more depressing than slow downloads... [14:18] good morning [14:18] highvoltage: were you guys on holiday yesterday? [14:26] mhall119: yep, isn't it a holiday in the US too? [14:26] no [14:27] even Good Friday isn't a holiday for most people [14:27] mhall119: ok, wow. I always thought that it's a public holiday in most of the world [14:27] in most of the world [14:27] we're backward when it comes to these things [14:27] well, most countries where there's lots of christian people, at least :) [14:28] If I'm lucky, I'll get a full week of vacation time this year [14:29] highvoltage: well now that you're back, can you look over my new qimo packages in revu? [14:31] mhall119: yep! [14:32] mhall119: did you talk to anybody about a freeze exception yet? [14:32] I made the bug reports according top the FFe request guidelines [14:33] sispoty was helping me with that [14:33] I was told they were on the FFe queue, but I needed to have developer review and approval of the packages first [14:35] mhall119: ok great [14:58] Morning all [15:02] morning sbalneav [15:02] morning, I'm just lurking while I try and get some work done. [15:13] JackLD: hi :) [15:13] hello sbalneav :) [15:13] Morning bencrisford [15:13] I see highvoltage approved you! [15:13] sbalneav: for..? [15:13] I was off on Holidays last week, was going to do it, then saw that it had already been done. [15:13] bugsquad, I beleive [15:14] sbalneav: probably website team? [15:15] So, good piece of news, due to some hard work by DtkrKranz and myself, Sabayon's back in Debian Unstable! [15:15] bencrisford: Didn't you apply for bugsquad? [15:15] sbalneav: cool :) [15:15] I may be confused. [15:16] First day back after 10 off, and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet :) [15:16] sbalneav: lp says ive been a member since november [15:16] :S [15:16] lol [15:16] never mind me then. Carry on Seargent Major! [15:16] and dont talk about coffee! im trying to stop drinking it :( [15:17] Whatever for?! [15:17] blasphemy [15:17] ive been drinking too much coffee.. [15:18] now i get headaches if i go a day without it [15:18] so i think its time to cut down on my caffeine in-take [15:18] im not doing very well though [15:18] im ready to give up giving up already [15:19] Well. moderation in all things. [15:19] yeah [15:19] bencrisford: that's been happening to me too recently, it took me a while to figure out that it was the headaches was caused by withdrawel [15:19] Do like I do. No more than 3 cups a day, all before 2 PM :) [15:20] highvoltage: yeah, yesterday evening i had a splitting headache, and then i realised i hadnt had any coffee that day [15:20] and the last few days ive been really craving chocolate, which has caffeine in right? [15:20] i wasnt hungry at all, just really wanted some choco :P [15:21] * bencrisford wonders what makes old monitors so heavy [15:32] bencrisford: transformers! [15:34] highvoltage: :/ [15:34] (well and big tubes :) ) [15:34] i have never actually looked inside a monitor [15:34] i was planning on turning one into a fish tank once [15:35] if you do, just be careful, some parts keep a high charge even when it's unplugged and turned off [15:35] but didnt know how id seal up the vents [15:35] maybe i wont.. [15:35] :P [15:35] * bencrisford is getting angry with his dell optiplex gx110 [15:36] i dont want to boot from hdd, cd OR diskette [15:36] I think what people do is basically build a fish tank that can fit inside the monitor, instead of turning the monitor itself into a fish tank [15:36] i want to boot from usb [15:36] highvoltage: oh [15:36] i never got around to looking in to it [15:36] i just thought it would be cool :P [15:38] :@ how am i meant to boot from usb when apparently my box hasnt even heard of it [15:39] i want to install edubuntu on it so i have a low spec testing platform [15:39] but the cd drives jammed and i cba to fix it [15:42] bencrisford: why don't you want to boot from a diskette, and install edubuntu over the network? [15:42] (if your motherboard doesn't support usb booting, that is...) [15:42] alkisg: i didnt know that was possible [15:42] diskettes can fit an iso on? :S [15:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75 [15:43] No, but you can fit etherboot on 'em. [15:43] And you'll need the diskette from rom-o-matic to netboot [15:43] i cant get internet on my dell box [15:43] Or, just pop in a pci network card that does support pxe. [15:43] well i could ethernet [15:43] but im miles away from the router [15:43] Hey sbalneav, we missed you :) [15:43] and im not that bothered about installing edu [15:43] Back from hollydays :) [15:44] True holidays, with no net... :D [15:46] yes [15:46] Sometimes, I just need a break :) [15:49] whoa floppys are slow [16:30] mhall119: I'll do a review on those packages in about 2 hours [16:46] thanks [18:42] So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here. How do I turn it into a 64 bit install? Just install a different kernel? [18:47] sbalneav: ive never really thought about that... [18:47] is there an ubuntu amd64 channel? [18:47] ubuntu-server'd probably be the people to ask. [18:48] I'd really rather not re-install. [18:48] sbalneav, if you find out i would like to know :) [18:50] id be interested as well, i dont need to know, but it could come in useful at some point [18:57] bencrisford: syncing to the latest edbuntu build so that I can check latest issue statusses, about 82% done syncing [18:58] sbalneav: there's no real supported way to do it, you could replace the kernel and then re-install the packages, but some packages break on re-installation and it's probably best to just re-install [18:59] Yeah, kvm's busted on 32 bit karmic. [18:59] I think reinstalling is the easiest way to get from 32 to 64 [19:00] So far, the only way proffered by ubuntu is to move to 64 bit [19:05] highvoltage: :) [19:05] i have to go out for two hours.. brass band rehearsal :P [19:47] sbalneav: ur migrating ur users on the upgrade? [20:00] Ahmuck-Sr: This is just my own personal box. [20:00] I'm looking at trying out davical: www.davical.org [20:01] I have 3 choices: [20:01] 1) repackage the latest source release ---> time consuming [20:02] 2) Just "install the source, luke!" ---> Easy, but not-easily-upgradable [20:02] (08:42:41 μμ) sbalneav: So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here. How do I turn it into a 64 bit install? Just install a different kernel? ==> afaik the only way is to reinstall :) [20:02] 3) Run a Debian Lenny box under KVM and use his upstream released .debs ---> ran into KVM issue. [20:03] So, it's looking like 2) at the moment ;) [20:05] sbalneav, 4) ask upstream to also provide i386 debs :) [20:05] Well, they're _all [20:05] I'm just going to try installing the debian lenny debs, for a laugh [20:06] it's all in php [20:06] if they are _all you can install them on i386 anyway [20:07] Preparing to replace libawl-php 0.37 (using libawl-php_0.42-0_all.deb) ... [20:07] Unpacking replacement libawl-php ... [20:07] Preparing to replace davical 0.9.7-0 (using davical_0.9.8.4-0_all.deb) ... [20:07] Unpacking replacement davical ... [20:07] Setting up libawl-php (0.42-0) ... [20:07] Setting up davical (0.9.8.4-0) ... [20:07] huh [20:07] Well, so far so good :) [20:09] Huh! Well, after I updated the database schema, away it goes. [20:09] So: [20:09] i looked at ical, and calandering solutions. there are few that are actually compliant. [20:10] Davical seems to be the only one that's even trying. [20:10] works with iPhone's right out of the box [20:10] one was bedework, the other was sojo(?) [20:10] if y'all woulödnt be so evophobic you could just use evo :) [20:10] I will [20:10] compliant via webcal, devcal, and groupcal [20:10] We're looking at moving to evo [20:10] sweet [20:10] with davical on the backend. [20:10] ah [20:10] The calendaring stuff is a big mess.. [20:11] I absolutely, positively MUST have group/shared calendaring. [20:11] sorry, sogo [20:11] http://www.scalableogo.org/english.html [20:11] i'd consider one that is standards compliant imho [20:12] I went through everything I could possibly find two years ago and it seemed like every solution supported half of the clients.. [20:12] http://www.groupdav.org/implementations.html [20:14] http://caldav.calconnect.org/implementations/servers.html [20:14] What I learnt was that if you need to sync with mobiles, you have to check those first.. [20:14] looks like davical is caldav compliant [20:14] What I'd love to find, even if I had to pay, is a blackberry caldav client. [20:14] The Funambol SOGo Connector allows any SyncML enabled devices to fully synchronize contacts, events and tasks with SOGo. The connector is fast and reliable. It features : [20:15] anywho, i settled upon sogo [20:15] Ahmuck-Sr: Know of any BB caldav clients? [20:15] http://nexthaus.com/ [20:15] http://nexthaus.com/products_b_blackBerry.html [20:16] now you too can have your crackberry :) [20:16] and sync it too [20:16] anywho, it connects with sogo. i'm out for a bit, need to complete a magazine [20:16] thanks. [20:17] anywho, bedework is more on the educational side vs the commercial side, but it's java [20:18] and iirc, bedework was intergratable with moodle or some type of online classroom software [20:18] bedework was specifically built for education, and is used in colleges [20:19] https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ - the open source edition(?) [20:19] Zimbra has also caldav, but you have to pay for the mobile stuff.. [20:20] Funambol is the leading mobile open source project and leading provider of open source mobile ... The Funambol Sync Client for Mac OS X adds SyncML capabilities to the Apple OS, ... Funambol JavaME/BlackBerry Email Client (ALL VERSIONS) . [20:21] one of them, i i dont' recall which wrote the file out in xml and a standard form, rather than some crazy dev's idea of what it should be :) [20:24] fwiw, i dumped tbird & sbird in favor of evolution [20:43] Ideally, what I'd like is just some BB app that I can install directly on the BB and just point it at the caldav server, and voila! [20:44] Thanks for all the info. [20:45] BB == bulliten board? [20:47] BlackBerry [20:48] sbalneav: are you looking something that is fully open source? [20:49] On the blackberry side? No, don't care about that. I'll gladly buy something. [20:49] I mean for the server [20:50] On the server side? Yes, since we need to interact with our case management application, so I need to be able to dig into the guts so I can have the application add calendar entries for court dates, etc. [20:50] Blackberries are not sold here, so I have no idea how they work.. [20:51] They're closed source, so I have no idea how they work either. I'm forced to carry one around, and I can tell you, they suck :) [20:52] However, if you're in business, you have to support the crackberries :) [20:52] I had to get syncing working with nokia's symbian phones and I doubt that anything can suck more.. [20:53] I went for zimbra as at the time it had the only working implementation for mail for exchange clients on symbian [20:54] It's not fully open source either, so it's probably not for you === ubott2 is now known as ubottu [21:23] This calendar stuff reminds me of the fact that we'd need some kind of calendars also for schools.. [21:31] well ... yes [21:31] * Ahmuck-Sr picks up the dead fish he's been beating for a while [21:33] sorry, i'l go back to lurking. i did not arrive here to be onery [22:26] Finally got Irc working on my mobile [22:27] bencrisford-E63: :) [22:27] Hi guys [22:27] how's bug day going? Sorry I'm coming in late here [22:37] guess not very active eh? [22:37] Lns: hasnt been as "epic" a bug day as i would have hoped :), but weve had a few bugs triaged successfully [22:38] pedro_ has been working very hard on the gimp bugs :) [22:38] cool :) Are we including Gimp with default install? [22:38] Lns: im not sure [22:38] but its been lited at the tinyurl/EduBugs since i can remember [22:38] listed* [22:39] hopefully we'll get some more participants before the end of the day [22:39] if nothing else i think weve made people realise where we are and how much we need help [22:40] the 300 open bugs says that quite nicely [22:40] That is a very good thing in and of itself [22:43] yep === kvanals_ is now known as kvanals