[11:00] <bencrisford> highvoltage: todays the day :)
[12:36] <highvoltage> bencrisford: cool! I'm just catching up on a few things but I'll be around the whole day and give a bunch of bugs attention as well!
[12:37] <highvoltage> (ps: I'm awake during more or less EDT timezome so day is more or less starting for me now :p)
[12:40] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok awesome :), #ubuntu-bugs is looking a bit dead at the moment, but hopefully a little later there'll be plenty of people around helping us squash some bugs :)
[12:40] <bencrisford> and EDT? :P I thought you lived in south africa?
[12:42] <bencrisford> i'm gonna make some lunch, back soon
[12:43] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I do, but I work for a canadian company
[12:59] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ah
[13:41] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[13:44] <highvoltage> good morning mgariepy
[13:45] <bencrisford> mgariepy: good morning, and happy bug day!  :)
[13:45] <mgariepy> highvoltage, will you be over here by the summer ?
[13:45] <highvoltage> mgariepy: sheesh. who knows.
[13:46] <highvoltage> mgariepy: my visa can come any day... but it's been like that for the past 3 weeks, I don't know anymore
[13:46] <mgariepy> ok ;)
[13:46] <highvoltage> mgariepy: I check my postbox every day, as soon as I have it I'll be there in less than two weeks
[13:47] <mgariepy> ok
[13:47] <mgariepy> so shall we schedule a beer somewhere for 2012 ?
[13:47] <mgariepy> ;)
[13:47] <highvoltage> mgariepy: to make things worse, I can't even apply for a visa for the UDS because the canadian embassy has my passport
[13:47] <highvoltage> mgariepy: hehe, yes, before the world ends :)
[13:48] <mgariepy> yeah the day before then haha
[14:10] <bencrisford> is there anything more depressing than slow downloads...
[14:18] <mhall119> good morning
[14:18] <mhall119> highvoltage: were you guys on holiday yesterday?
[14:26] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep, isn't it a holiday in the US too?
[14:26] <mhall119> no
[14:27] <mhall119> even Good Friday isn't a holiday for most people
[14:27] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok, wow. I always thought that it's a public holiday in most of the world
[14:27] <mhall119> in most of the world
[14:27] <mhall119> we're backward when it comes to these things
[14:27] <highvoltage> well, most countries where there's lots of christian people, at least :)
[14:28] <mhall119> If I'm lucky, I'll get a full week of vacation time this year
[14:29] <mhall119> highvoltage: well now that you're back, can you look over my new qimo packages in revu?
[14:31] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep!
[14:32] <highvoltage> mhall119: did you talk to anybody about a freeze exception yet?
[14:32] <mhall119> I made the bug reports according top the FFe request guidelines
[14:33] <mhall119> sispoty was helping me with that
[14:33] <mhall119> I was told they were on the FFe queue, but I needed to have developer review and approval of the packages first
[14:35] <highvoltage> mhall119: ok great
[14:58] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:02] <mhall119> morning sbalneav
[15:02] <JackLD> morning, I'm just lurking while I try and get some work done.
[15:13] <bencrisford> JackLD: hi :)
[15:13] <bencrisford> hello sbalneav :)
[15:13] <sbalneav> Morning bencrisford
[15:13] <sbalneav> I see highvoltage approved you!
[15:13] <bencrisford> sbalneav: for..?
[15:13] <sbalneav> I was off on Holidays last week, was going to do it, then saw that it had already been done.
[15:13] <sbalneav> bugsquad, I beleive
[15:14] <highvoltage> sbalneav: probably website team?
[15:15] <sbalneav> So, good piece of news, due to some hard work by DtkrKranz and myself, Sabayon's back in Debian Unstable!
[15:15] <sbalneav> bencrisford: Didn't you apply for bugsquad?
[15:15] <highvoltage> sbalneav: cool :)
[15:15] <sbalneav> I may be confused.
[15:16] <sbalneav> First day back after 10 off, and the coffee hasn't kicked in yet :)
[15:16] <bencrisford> sbalneav: lp says ive been a member since november
[15:16] <bencrisford> :S
[15:16] <sbalneav> lol
[15:16] <sbalneav> never mind me then.  Carry on Seargent Major!
[15:16] <bencrisford> and dont talk about coffee!  im trying to stop drinking it :(
[15:17] <sbalneav> Whatever for?!
[15:17] <mhall119> blasphemy
[15:17] <bencrisford> ive been drinking too much coffee..
[15:18] <bencrisford> now i get headaches if i go a day without it
[15:18] <bencrisford> so i think its time to cut down on my caffeine in-take
[15:18] <bencrisford> im not doing very well though
[15:18] <bencrisford> im ready to give up giving up already
[15:19] <sbalneav> Well. moderation in all things.
[15:19] <bencrisford> yeah
[15:19] <highvoltage> bencrisford: that's been happening to me too recently, it took me a while to figure out that it was the headaches was caused by withdrawel
[15:19] <sbalneav> Do like I do.  No more than 3 cups a day, all before 2 PM :)
[15:20] <bencrisford> highvoltage: yeah, yesterday evening i had a splitting headache, and then i realised i hadnt had any coffee that day
[15:20] <bencrisford> and the last few days ive been really craving chocolate, which has caffeine in right?
[15:20] <bencrisford> i wasnt hungry at all, just really wanted some choco :P
[15:21]  * bencrisford wonders what makes old monitors so heavy
[15:32] <highvoltage> bencrisford: transformers!
[15:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :/
[15:34] <highvoltage> (well and big tubes :) )
[15:34] <bencrisford> i have never actually looked inside a monitor
[15:34] <bencrisford> i was planning on turning one into a fish tank once
[15:35] <highvoltage> if you do, just be careful, some parts keep a high charge even when it's unplugged and turned off
[15:35] <bencrisford> but didnt know how id seal up the vents
[15:35] <bencrisford> maybe i wont..
[15:35] <bencrisford> :P
[15:35]  * bencrisford is getting angry with his dell optiplex gx110
[15:36] <bencrisford> i dont want to boot from hdd, cd OR diskette
[15:36] <highvoltage> I think what people do is basically build a fish tank that can fit inside the monitor, instead of turning the monitor itself into a fish tank
[15:36] <bencrisford> i want to boot from usb
[15:36] <bencrisford> highvoltage: oh
[15:36] <bencrisford> i never got around to looking in to it
[15:36] <bencrisford> i just thought it would be cool :P
[15:38] <bencrisford> :@ how am i meant to boot from usb when apparently my box hasnt even heard of it
[15:39] <bencrisford> i want to install edubuntu on it so i have a low spec testing platform
[15:39] <bencrisford> but the cd drives jammed and i cba to fix it
[15:42] <alkisg> bencrisford: why don't you want to boot from a diskette, and install edubuntu over the network?
[15:42] <alkisg> (if your motherboard doesn't support usb booting, that is...)
[15:42] <bencrisford> alkisg: i didnt know that was possible
[15:42] <bencrisford> diskettes can fit an iso on? :S
[15:43] <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75
[15:43] <sbalneav> No, but you can fit etherboot on 'em.
[15:43] <alkisg> And you'll need the diskette from rom-o-matic to netboot
[15:43] <bencrisford> i cant get internet on my dell box
[15:43] <sbalneav> Or, just pop in a pci network card that does support pxe.
[15:43] <bencrisford> well i could ethernet
[15:43] <bencrisford> but im miles away from the router
[15:43] <alkisg> Hey sbalneav, we missed you :)
[15:43] <bencrisford> and im not that bothered about installing edu
[15:43] <sbalneav> Back from hollydays :)
[15:44] <alkisg> True holidays, with no net... :D
[15:46] <sbalneav> yes
[15:46] <sbalneav> Sometimes, I just need a break :)
[15:49] <bencrisford> whoa floppys are slow
[16:30] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll do a review on those packages in about 2 hours
[16:46] <mhall119> thanks
[18:42] <sbalneav> So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here.  How do I turn it into a 64 bit install?  Just install a different kernel?
[18:47] <bencrisford> sbalneav: ive never really thought about that...
[18:47] <bencrisford> is there an ubuntu amd64 channel?
[18:47] <sbalneav> ubuntu-server'd probably be the people to ask.
[18:48] <sbalneav> I'd really rather not re-install.
[18:48] <mgariepy> sbalneav, if you find out i would like to know :)
[18:50] <bencrisford> id be interested as well, i dont need to know, but it could come in useful at some point
[18:57] <highvoltage> bencrisford: syncing to the latest edbuntu build so that I can check latest issue statusses, about 82% done syncing
[18:58] <highvoltage> sbalneav: there's no real supported way to do it, you could replace the kernel and then re-install the packages, but some packages break on re-installation and it's probably best to just re-install
[18:59] <sbalneav> Yeah, kvm's busted on 32 bit karmic.
[18:59] <mhall119> I think reinstalling is the easiest way to get from 32 to 64
[19:00] <sbalneav> So far, the only way proffered by ubuntu is to move to 64 bit
[19:05] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :)
[19:05] <bencrisford> i have to go out for two hours..  brass band rehearsal :P
[19:47] <Ahmuck-Sr> sbalneav: ur migrating ur users on the upgrade?
[20:00] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: This is just my own personal box.
[20:00] <sbalneav> I'm looking at trying out davical: www.davical.org
[20:01] <sbalneav> I have 3 choices:
[20:01] <sbalneav> 1) repackage the latest source release ---> time consuming
[20:02] <sbalneav> 2) Just "install the source, luke!" ---> Easy, but not-easily-upgradable
[20:02] <alkisg> (08:42:41 μμ) sbalneav: So, I've got a 32 bit Ubuntu install here.  How do I turn it into a 64 bit install?  Just install a different kernel? ==> afaik the only way is to reinstall :)
[20:02] <sbalneav> 3) Run a Debian Lenny box under KVM and use his upstream released .debs ---> ran into KVM issue.
[20:03] <sbalneav> So, it's looking like 2) at the moment ;)
[20:05] <ogra> sbalneav, 4) ask upstream to also provide i386 debs :)
[20:05] <sbalneav> Well, they're _all
[20:05] <sbalneav> I'm just going to try installing the debian lenny debs, for a laugh
[20:06] <sbalneav> it's all in php
[20:06] <ogra> if they are _all you can install them on i386 anyway
[20:07] <sbalneav> Preparing to replace libawl-php 0.37 (using libawl-php_0.42-0_all.deb) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Unpacking replacement libawl-php ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Preparing to replace davical 0.9.7-0 (using davical_0.9.8.4-0_all.deb) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Unpacking replacement davical ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Setting up libawl-php (0.42-0) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> Setting up davical (0.9.8.4-0) ...
[20:07] <sbalneav> huh
[20:07] <sbalneav> Well, so far so good :)
[20:09] <sbalneav> Huh!  Well, after I updated the database schema, away it goes.
[20:09] <sbalneav> So:
[20:09] <Ahmuck-Sr> i looked at ical, and calandering solutions.  there are few that are actually compliant.
[20:10] <sbalneav> Davical seems to be the only one that's even trying.
[20:10] <sbalneav> works with iPhone's right out of the box
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> one was bedework, the other was sojo(?)
[20:10] <ogra> if y'all woulödnt be so evophobic you could just use evo :)
[20:10] <sbalneav> I will
[20:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> compliant via webcal, devcal, and groupcal
[20:10] <sbalneav> We're looking at moving to evo
[20:10] <ogra> sweet
[20:10] <sbalneav> with davical on the backend.
[20:10] <ogra> ah
[20:10] <vmlintu> The calendaring stuff is a big mess..
[20:11] <sbalneav> I absolutely, positively MUST have group/shared calendaring.
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> sorry, sogo
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://www.scalableogo.org/english.html
[20:11] <Ahmuck-Sr> i'd consider one that is standards compliant imho
[20:12] <vmlintu> I went through everything I could possibly find two years ago and it seemed like every solution supported half of the clients..
[20:12] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://www.groupdav.org/implementations.html
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://caldav.calconnect.org/implementations/servers.html
[20:14] <vmlintu> What I learnt was that if you need to sync with mobiles, you have to check those first..
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> looks like davical is caldav compliant
[20:14] <sbalneav> What I'd love to find, even if I had to pay, is a blackberry caldav client.
[20:14] <Ahmuck-Sr> The Funambol SOGo Connector allows any SyncML enabled devices to fully synchronize contacts, events and tasks with SOGo. The connector is fast and reliable. It features :
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, i settled upon sogo
[20:15] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: Know of any BB caldav clients?
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://nexthaus.com/
[20:15] <Ahmuck-Sr> http://nexthaus.com/products_b_blackBerry.html
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> now you too can have your crackberry :)
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> and sync it too
[20:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, it connects with sogo.  i'm out for a bit, need to complete a magazine
[20:16] <sbalneav> thanks.
[20:17] <Ahmuck-Sr> anywho, bedework is more on the educational side vs the commercial side, but it's java
[20:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> and iirc, bedework was intergratable with moodle or some type of online classroom software
[20:18] <Ahmuck-Sr> bedework was specifically built for education, and is used in colleges
[20:19] <Ahmuck-Sr> https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ - the open source edition(?)
[20:19] <vmlintu> Zimbra has also caldav, but you have to pay for the mobile stuff..
[20:20] <Ahmuck-Sr> Funambol is the leading mobile open source project and leading provider of open source mobile ... The Funambol Sync Client for Mac OS X adds SyncML capabilities to the Apple OS, ... Funambol JavaME/BlackBerry Email Client (ALL VERSIONS) .
[20:21] <Ahmuck-Sr> one of them, i i dont' recall which wrote the file out in xml and a standard form, rather than some crazy dev's idea of what it should be :)
[20:24] <Ahmuck-Sr> fwiw, i dumped tbird & sbird in favor of evolution
[20:43] <sbalneav> Ideally, what I'd like is just some BB app that I can install directly on the BB and just point it at the caldav server, and voila!
[20:44] <sbalneav> Thanks for all the info.
[20:45] <Ahmuck-Sr> BB == bulliten board?
[20:47] <sbalneav> BlackBerry
[20:48] <vmlintu> sbalneav: are you looking something that is fully open source?
[20:49] <sbalneav> On the blackberry side? No, don't care about that.  I'll gladly buy something.
[20:49] <vmlintu> I mean for the server
[20:50] <sbalneav> On the server side?  Yes, since we need to interact with our case management application, so I need to be able to dig into the guts so I can have the application add calendar entries for court dates, etc.
[20:50] <vmlintu> Blackberries are not sold here, so I have no idea how they work..
[20:51] <sbalneav> They're closed source, so I have no idea how they work either.  I'm forced to carry one around, and I can tell you, they suck :)
[20:52] <sbalneav> However, if you're in business, you have to support the crackberries :)
[20:52] <vmlintu> I had to get syncing working with nokia's symbian phones and I doubt that anything can suck more..
[20:53] <vmlintu> I went for zimbra as at the time it had the only working implementation for mail for exchange clients on symbian
[20:54] <vmlintu> It's not fully open source either, so it's probably not for you
[21:23] <vmlintu> This calendar stuff reminds me of the fact that we'd need some kind of calendars also for schools..
[21:31] <Ahmuck-Sr> well ... yes
[21:31]  * Ahmuck-Sr picks up the dead fish he's been beating for a while
[21:33] <Ahmuck-Sr> sorry, i'l go back to lurking.  i did not arrive here to be onery
[22:26] <bencrisford-E63> Finally got Irc working on my mobile
[22:27] <bencrisford> bencrisford-E63: :)
[22:27] <Lns> Hi guys
[22:27] <Lns> how's bug day going? Sorry I'm coming in late here
[22:37] <Lns> guess not very active eh?
[22:37] <bencrisford> Lns: hasnt been as "epic" a bug day as i would have hoped :), but weve had a few bugs triaged successfully
[22:38] <bencrisford> pedro_ has been working very hard on the gimp bugs :)
[22:38] <Lns> cool :) Are we including Gimp with default install?
[22:38] <bencrisford> Lns: im not sure
[22:38] <bencrisford> but its been lited at the tinyurl/EduBugs since i can remember
[22:38] <bencrisford> listed*
[22:39] <bencrisford> hopefully we'll get some more participants before the end of the day
[22:39] <bencrisford> if nothing else i think weve made people realise where we are and how much we need help
[22:40] <bencrisford> the 300 open bugs says that quite nicely
[22:40] <Lns> That is a very good thing in and of itself
[22:43] <bencrisford> yep