[00:25] <tnks> just curious if the bulk of Kubuntu development is on the installer.
[00:26] <tnks> someone on #kubuntu indicated that the UI was more-or-less KDE.
[00:26] <tnks> without much augmentation.
[00:26] <tnks> so I was curious if Kubuntu offered much more than just "apt-get kde" and swapping out gnome for kde.
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> Your asking what is added to Kubuntu from KDE?
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, what Kubuntu has that KDE doesn't
[00:28] <DarkwingDuck> s/oh/or
[00:28] <tnks> yeah, something like that.
[00:29] <tnks> btw, this is just a passing curiosity.
[00:29] <tnks> my coworking installed Ubuntu, and then looked up and said, "I think I'm using Gnome then"
[00:29] <tnks> at which point, I remembered that Kubuntu existed.
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, Kubuntu is the KDE version. It's very close to pure KDE
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> If you want to look apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> You can pick between Gnome and KDE at login screen
[00:31] <tnks> I see.
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> Ubuntu uses Gnome as a desktop enviroment, Kubuntu uses KDE
[00:31] <tnks> so does Canonical as a company keep up with Kubuntu development?
[00:31] <tnks> or is it a completely volunteer-based distro?
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> Mostly volunteer-based
[00:32] <maco> agateau and Riddell work for canonical
[00:32] <jjesse> Riddell is an employee of canonical
[00:32] <tnks> actually, that said, it might even use the same multiverse/universes, right?
[00:32] <jjesse> along w/ agateau
[00:32] <DarkwingDuck> tnks: Yes
[00:32] <jjesse> tnks yes the same universe/multiverse
[00:33] <tnks> I see, makes sense, then.
[00:33] <tnks> I haven't switched from Debian to Ubuntu, so I'm not exactly sure how much Ubuntu augments the Gnome experience.
[00:33] <tnks> I know there's lots of non-Gnome stuff.
[00:35]  * apachelogger hates when stuff in plasma breaks -.-
[00:35]  * apachelogger hates when he should be in bed but indeed is not
[00:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[00:35] <DarkwingDuck> what you break this time apachelogger?
[00:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have a karmic testing vm?
[00:36] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: actually it seems to be left over from nixternal :(
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> Nope, not anymore
[00:36]  * apachelogger doesnt get how this ever worked
[00:36] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Ouch
[00:36] <apachelogger> anyone with karmic around?
[00:37]  * apachelogger starts crying
[00:38] <DarkwingDuck> what's broken?
[00:39] <apachelogger> the settings menu
[00:39] <apachelogger> or rather the hiding of systemsettings in said meny
[00:39] <apachelogger> menu even
[00:39] <apachelogger> the first layer of that bug is caused by kickoffrc
[00:39] <DarkwingDuck> hmmmm,
[00:39] <apachelogger> from kds
[00:39] <apachelogger> it sets the systemapps to systemsettings and kickoff using fullpaths
[00:39] <apachelogger> the hiding code however expects only file name without extension
[00:40] <apachelogger> so, if one removes that kickoffrc stuff the hiding code actually kicks in
[00:40] <apachelogger> and here is the madness in all this
[00:40] <apachelogger> kickoff works like this
[00:40] <apachelogger> at initial loading it only creates a model and view of the categories
[00:41] <apachelogger> to be precise of each category that is not set to noDisplay or doesnt have any entries
[00:41] <DarkwingDuck> okay
[00:41] <apachelogger> the hiding however happens in the code that adds the app itself to the model
[00:41] <apachelogger> so the category is populated before the app is hidden
[00:42] <apachelogger> at the time the settings menu gets created, it still has an entry
[00:42] <apachelogger> but then the entry (systemsettings) does not get shown because of the hiding magic
[00:42] <apachelogger> so you have a settings menu but the menu is empty :(
[00:42] <DarkwingDuck> Thats strange
[00:43] <DarkwingDuck> But, somehow it worked...
[00:43] <apachelogger> well
[00:43] <DarkwingDuck> sorta
[00:43] <apachelogger> my theory is that someone changed the init process around so that initaly only the categories are in memory
[00:44] <apachelogger> so earlier the process might have looke different, that by the time the categories got populated, settings was empty and thus hidden
[00:45] <apachelogger> because I cant find any change in the model code that would cause this problem
[00:45] <DarkwingDuck> hmmm
[00:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you can talk to aseigo about this?
[00:46]  * JontheEchidna sees wall of text and cowers
[00:46] <apachelogger> I know him being a suse user he probably has a billion entries in the settings category (and every other cat :P)
[00:46] <apachelogger> but there are those poor apacheloggers that like a tidy menu and find the broken code right there rather awful ;)
[00:46]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[00:46] <apachelogger> nini
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> who is doing the installer?
[03:01] <jjesse> me?
[03:01] <jjesse> hahahahahahahahaahaha
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:01] <DarkwingDuck> I found a small problem
[03:01] <jjesse> so did
[03:01] <jjesse> so did i
[03:01] <jjesse> just sent an email to mailing list
[03:02] <DarkwingDuck> Ahh, what problem did you find?
[03:03] <jjesse> during the scan of the repos if you click skip, ubiquity closes or stops, and will never finish
[03:04] <DarkwingDuck> Hmm, Mine wasn't that bad, however it invited me to explore K-Desktop while it was installing even though I didn't go through LiveCD but at the menu just pressed install
[03:06] <jjesse> hrmm now it is stuck at configuring hardware
[03:06] <DarkwingDuck> Mine is working just fine... Beta1?
[03:07] <jjesse> umm sunday's daily live whatever that was
[03:08] <jjesse> hrmm now have moved on
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, mine is sticking at Config hardware
[03:09] <DarkwingDuck> there we go
[03:09] <jjesse> its a huge pause
[03:09] <jjesse> made me wonder if the thinwas stuck
[03:11] <DarkwingDuck> Mine was maybe 5 min
[03:11] <jjesse> hrmm gotta go walk the dog and of course it started raining
[03:11] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[03:15] <promulo> Riddell, are you there?
[03:15] <DarkwingDuck> wee... now it froze upon finishing and wont reboot.
[03:19] <jjesse> i'm frozen in Running dpkg
[03:22] <DarkwingDuck> It's good for me now. 64bit Desktop
[03:23] <jjesse> wow after all that, an installer crash
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> copying over my 38,000 song music collenction :(
[03:24] <jjesse> that might take awhile
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> 'bout an hour
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> THen my emails and .ssh and .gnupg and i'll be good
[03:26] <jjesse> wow
[03:26] <jjesse> wouldn't it be easer to keep you /home separate?
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> swapped harddrives
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> upgrade from 300Gig to 1TB
[03:27] <jjesse> ah
[03:27] <jjesse> thats a nice amount of storage
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> yup :D next... RAM
[03:36] <jjesse> i need a new work laptop, but it is out of warrenty... too may problems , dell told me today they would like to fix it but couldn't cuase it was out of warranty
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> my thinkpad is really nice
[07:21] <Mamarok> just got this in the #phonon channel earlier:
[07:21] <Mamarok>  <fooscript> Problem: KUbuntu 10.2, libphonon-dev 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3, phonon 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu3 ... during compilation of kdelibs I got "Could NOT find Phonon: Found version "4.3.1", but required is at least "4.3.80" (found /usr/include/qt4)"
[07:22] <Mamarok> Riddell: ^
[07:22] <Mamarok> so something is indeed wrong with the phonon version
[07:48] <apachelogger> Mamarok: you are trying to compile trunk
[07:49] <apachelogger> kde commit 1107539
[07:49]  * apachelogger pokes ubottu
[07:49] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1107539
[07:49] <apachelogger> ubottu: silly thingy :P
[07:50] <Mamarok> apachelogger: not me, a user reported this
[07:51] <apachelogger> so the user is compiling trunk :P
[07:51] <Mamarok> well, apparently he is on Lucid and the installed Phonon reports as 4.3.1
[07:51] <apachelogger> that is what we found out yesterday already?
[08:33] <Quintasan> \o
[08:59] <apachelogger> lo Quintasan
[08:59] <apachelogger> Quintasan: do you also haz the nice sun?
[09:00]  * apachelogger is blindind by the nice sun and cant properly read on his display ^^
[09:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yeah, I'm soon going out to get some fresh air
[09:03] <Quintasan> :)
[09:04] <apachelogger> gross
[09:04] <apachelogger> ewww
[09:04]  * apachelogger falls over
[09:06] <Quintasan> lol
[09:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: are you a vampire or something?
[09:07]  * Quintasan gets a mirror, opens up all windows and reflects light at apachelogger
[09:07] <apachelogger> no, I am professional floss geek :P
[09:08] <Quintasan> still, sunlight should be harming for you
[09:08]  * Quintasan reflects some more
[09:08] <apachelogger> a professional floss geek that doesnt have no nothing to eat
[09:08] <apachelogger> I WILL STARVE!
[09:08] <apachelogger> and you dare reflecting stupid sunlight onto me
[09:08] <apachelogger> !
[09:08] <apachelogger> you are a cruel monster
[09:10] <apachelogger> hm
[09:10]  * apachelogger reaches 100% madness, undresses and declares the channel nudist zone
[09:15] <Quintasan> lol
[09:15]  * Quintasan gets some aspirin for apachelogger
[09:15] <Quintasan> looks like you drank too much apachelogger
[09:15] <apachelogger> I didnt do no drinkin for at least 2 weeks
[09:15] <apachelogger> probably longer
[09:25]  * Mamarok goes to fetch a restraint jacket while Quintasan keeps apachelogger's attention diverted from her
[09:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: that's why you are getting crazy right now
[09:26] <apachelogger> ah
[09:26] <apachelogger> OMG
[09:26] <Quintasan> you'd better dring something
[09:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I should go do the shopping
[09:26] <apachelogger> and buy some beer or something too
[09:27]  * apachelogger puts on his bathing suit http://www.anthonyshaffer.co.uk/Pics/Screenplays/EvilSun15.JPG and leaves for a bit
[09:27] <Quintasan> O_o
[09:27] <emonkey> lol
[09:29] <ghostcube> o.o aspirin isnt good enough, goes for the ritalin
[09:48] <amichair> Is there some way to list all packages that have been installed by user? (i.e. excluding the ones installed with the system, or automatically installed dependencies)
[09:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: got a minute?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: there?
[09:59] <shadeslayer> any devs around here? i need to talk for a few minutes...
[10:01] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: that's it? no one answers for a few minutes and you go ahead and become evil?
[10:02] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: hehe... i dont have alot of time... in between classes
[10:02] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: what's up?
[10:02] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: well im thinking of starting a project... on the lines of the ubuntu manual project...
[10:03] <evilshadeslayer> i was hoping to catch nixternal or Riddell but...
[10:03] <evilshadeslayer> so anyways... my idea was to have a Kubuntu Manual....\
[10:04] <evilshadeslayer> like for 10.10..... so if anyones interested i might go ahead with it.. otherwise itll be a waste of time
[10:05] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: what do you think?
[10:05] <amichair> I'm actually not familira with Ubuntu Manual
[10:05] <amichair> not familiar, either
[10:05] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: oh check out : www.ubuntu-manual.com
[10:06] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: um.. : http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[10:06] <amichair> that's confusing, there's ubuntumanual.org and ubuntu-manual.org and they are different
[10:07] <evilshadeslayer> i think its the one ive given you...
[10:08] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: in general I'm all for good documentation and/or books to help start out, especially for someone coming from Windows (which is probably everyone who needs help)
[10:08] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: theres also : www.test.ubuntu-manual.org
[10:08] <amichair> but I do think it's a good idea to discuss it here or in the mailing list, to get eveyone's input on what should go in
[10:08] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: yeah... the aim of the ubuntu manual project is to give out new converts help....
[10:09] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: probably talk to nixternal about documentation needs
[10:09] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: yeah,like i said ill have to talk to him....
[10:10] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: yeah ill put in a mail in the devel list this evening :)
[10:10] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: btw how much space do we have on the CD right now? out of 700 MB i mean :)
[10:11] <debfx> agateau: how could kmix's osd widget be used by kmix and the battery applet? where would it need to be placed?
[10:11] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: depends on the image, see cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[10:12] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: whee... loads of space :D ( 655 MB )
[10:12] <agateau> debfx: kdelibs?
[10:13] <agateau> :/
[10:14] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: how is that possible? we don't even have room for FireFox, which is probably the most installed app...
[10:14] <evilshadeslayer> oh thats the alternate.... 676 on the live system
[10:14] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: we will probably never have ff in the default install
[10:15] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: it used to be there, no? Or maybe I'm mistaken
[10:15] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: um. dont think so.. or i would have seen it on the ML
[10:16] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: we installed arora once.... but that was it
[10:16] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: maybe back in dapper or something?
[10:16] <amichair> man time flies :-)
[10:17] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: ohh... ive only been involved since intrepid
[10:17] <amichair> that's when I first go Kubuntized
[10:17] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: hehe... i got kubuntized in Intrepid.... i ran gnome and KDE and xfce :P
[10:18] <evilshadeslayer> Although i kept ordering CD's from shipit since hoary....
[10:18] <amichair> I went straight from windows... a year or two of double-booting, and now windows rests in piece on my old always-off P4
[10:19] <klingeo> how the new CD will look like?
[10:19] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: i still dual boot.... but im thinking of virtualizing windows now.. dont open it.... *ever*
[10:19] <Riddell> we don't know what the CD artwork will look like, maybe I should ask
[10:19] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: anyway, I'm sure there's no wasted space there... maybe a mixup between mbs and mibs? (or whatever they're called)
[10:20] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: yeah i was searching for it and i couldnt find it either :P
[10:20] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: yeah... every KB is important on the CD :p
[10:22] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: there's no incentive to not fill up every byte
[10:22] <amichair> I wonder if CD/DVD is the last we'll see of optical and/or mechanical media...
[10:23] <apachelogger> o/
[10:23] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: http://imagebin.org/91866 : rofl
[10:23] <amichair> hey apachelogger
[10:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: random though on CD artwork ... it would be super cool if the artwork could be in line with the rest of the artwork
[10:23] <apachelogger> hi amichair
[10:23] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean the new logo?
[10:24] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: what am I looking at?
[10:24] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw did you add the Kubuntu logo to the Kickoff menu? it doest work with other themes
[10:24] <apachelogger> logo -- logo != defnition of artwork
[10:24] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: the speed...
[10:24] <amichair> evilshadeslayer: oh.... those were the days :-)
[10:24] <evilshadeslayer> amichair: thats the download speed in my campus :P
[10:25] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: it works when the theme does not specifiy their own
[10:25] <apachelogger> it always go to kubuntu.org
[10:25] <apachelogger> unless kds is not installed
[10:25] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: hm... and where does the logo get specified?
[10:26] <amichair> btw, yesterday when trying out oem install, I noticed a humungous kubuntu logo in k menu, messed everything up
[10:26] <apachelogger> branding svgz somewhere in the theme
[10:26] <evilshadeslayer> i installed the glassified theme and i miss the logo :(
[10:26] <apachelogger> amichair: messed everything up?
[10:26] <Riddell> apachelogger has made that logo smaller in bzr
[10:26] <Riddell> too small in my opinion, you can hardly make out the circle's detail
[10:26] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: poke the theme author then :P
[10:27] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any views on a kubuntu manual?
[10:27] <ofir> the website is almost done, so if there is any art-work needed to be done, I can help
[10:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not much smaller than before, but from a proportional POV it is better suited
[10:27] <apachelogger> there is about equal empty space on each side now
[10:28] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: like in a print manual?
[10:28] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: like the ubuntu manual project
[10:28] <evilshadeslayer> ok gtg
[10:29] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: cya in the evening
[10:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO the only way to prevent the blurryiness of the circle is to make a special version for small sizes, though quite frankly I wouldnt know how one can make a circle of that particular kind smallsizish :(
[10:29] <Riddell> that's why I liked it big
[10:30] <apachelogger> that is a work around, not a fix :P
[10:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we change the kickoff logo to the circle the blurryness wouldnt matter ;)
[10:31] <apachelogger> people wouldnt look at it close enough, because they recognize the basic pattern and make it out as this circle thingy
[10:31] <apachelogger> so my theory at least :)
[10:32]  * apachelogger thinks that it will be difficult finding the resources for a manual project
[10:33] <apachelogger> ubuntu one is 172 pages
[10:34] <apachelogger> even if we had a team that could throw out 172 pages of documentation in 6 months, maintain that amount of content is even more a challange
[10:34] <apachelogger> let alone getting that amount of content translated
[10:34] <amichair> apachelogger: http://imagebin.org/91867
[10:35] <amichair> (btw is imagebin.ca down? is there a preferred ubuntu imagebin?)
[10:35] <apachelogger> amichair: yeah, I made it less biggy
[10:35] <apachelogger> still I think it will overlap on those small sizes
[10:35] <apachelogger> and that it looks so fuggly is all kickoff's fault :P
[10:36] <apachelogger> worth a bug report IMHO, maybe fade the text towards the logo or something
[10:36] <apachelogger> as it is that just looks like a bug
[10:36] <apachelogger> amichair: do you also find the fonts rather big?
[10:36] <amichair> apachelogger: what if u switched places? kubuntu followed by username?
[10:36] <debfx> agateau: in libplasma?
[10:37] <apachelogger> amichair: that would still make the text clash into the kickoff border
[10:37] <apachelogger> so youd still need some visual help there
[10:37] <amichair> amichair: yeah, but that would look slightly less problematic perhaps
[10:37] <amichair> or, the username text in a line under kubuntu? just the images on the top line?
[10:38] <apachelogger> that wastes space :P
[10:38] <apachelogger> having the logo on the left also caues image overload
[10:38] <apachelogger> you have logo + user icon right next to each other
[10:39] <amichair> if the kubuntu is matched to the image size, each on opposing corners, then all that is added is the height of the username text, which is not that much
[10:39] <amichair> (matched to the image height, that is)
[10:40] <apachelogger> that will sure look weird
[10:40] <amichair> maybe...
[10:40] <apachelogger> amichair: well, feel free to give it a try, but from my POV the only sensible *fix* is to add fading to the text
[10:40] <amichair> or, maybe we can drop the host name? is it needed there?
[10:41] <apachelogger> workaround
[10:41] <apachelogger> what i people have long names?
[10:42] <amichair> then they'll have problems in any case :-P
[10:42] <apachelogger> well
[10:42] <apachelogger> not if we fix it properly :P
[10:43] <apachelogger> amichair: we couldnt even strip the hostname at this point since it would break string freeze
[10:48] <amichair> apachelogger: sorry, I'm fresh out of bad ideas ;-)
[10:48] <amichair> btw is everything frozen for the beta, or until final?
[10:48] <apachelogger> beta
[10:49] <amichair> goody
[10:49] <amichair> there's still time for a revolution!
[10:50] <amichair> does ubuntu have an imagebin?
[10:51] <amichair> Riddell: regarding the merge thing, I wrote the reporter to try reinstalling software-properties first in case it's broken at his end, we'll see how it goes
[10:51] <agateau> debfx: possibly
[10:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: the icon name of the kubuntu menu icon in kds is wrong
[10:54] <apachelogger> spec says start-here-kubuntu not kubuntu-menu
[10:54] <apachelogger> agateau: hai, btw, I assigned some buggies to you that ought to be fixed before 10.04
[10:54] <Riddell> I just used what we shipped in karmic
[10:54] <agateau> apachelogger: yeah
[10:54] <agateau> duplicates
[10:55] <agateau> same bug as amarok missing icons
[10:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: in that case it was all wrong in karmic too :D
[10:55] <agateau> I am on it
[10:55] <amichair> the system settings scrollbar is bad, who's in charge of that? what package is that anyway, is it ours?
[10:55] <apachelogger> agateau: just wanted to make sure that everything is documented ;)
[10:59] <amichair> apachelogger: ^^ you are the oracle, you surely must know...
[10:59] <Riddell> amichair: apt-cache showsrc systemsettings
[11:01] <amichair> Riddell: 10x... so it's upstream and we patch it to our needs?
[11:01] <apachelogger> no
[11:01] <apachelogger> it is upstream and we patch it as per upstream's suggestions :P
[11:02] <Riddell> we don't patch it at all
[11:03] <amichair> ah, ok. So it's an upstream bug.
[11:04] <apachelogger> uhhh
[11:04] <apachelogger> maybe we can use wordwarp in kickoff
[11:05] <amichair> apachelogger: make the username multiline? good idea! it's got extra vertical space anyway...
[11:05] <apachelogger> woah
[11:05] <apachelogger> the scrollbar in systemsettings is really bogus
[11:05] <apachelogger> like seriously awful
[11:05] <amichair> apachelogger: yeah, that's the bug I'm reporting
[11:05] <apachelogger> but I think it worked properly in 4.4.1
[11:05] <amichair> it's almost unusable
[11:05] <amichair> without getting RSI
[11:05] <apachelogger> woah
[11:06] <amichair> it should come bundled with rsibreak
[11:06] <apachelogger> wordwarp messed up the layout ^^
[11:06] <apachelogger> evne though my name fits the space
[11:06] <apachelogger> bad idea
[11:06] <apachelogger> who had that silly idea anyway
[11:06] <amichair> it's a good idea, I'm sure it can be done
[11:07] <amichair> leave the widget size fixed, and let the text inside it flow like wine
[11:07] <apachelogger> well
[11:07] <apachelogger> I think the layout is a bit fugly
[11:07] <apachelogger> oh right
[11:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna fiddled with the layout to make the user icon properly aligned
[11:07] <amichair> only yesterday I was fighting against qt to fix ubiquity
[11:08] <apachelogger> I suppose since then the user icon does not belong to the layout anymore
[11:08] <apachelogger> and thus he wordwrap of course does not take the user icon into account
[11:08] <apachelogger> what is more important is that for some reason the logo expands so that the wordwarp happens when it shouldnt
[11:08] <amichair> u can probably just define a widget for the text, and put whatever layout/label u need inside it
[11:09] <amichair> and probably mess around with its contentsmargins too
[11:11] <apachelogger> now that would be silly :P
[11:11] <apachelogger> layouts is the right approach here
[11:35] <amichair> I see the printer applet nested scrollbar bug is still there
[11:38] <Riddell> nested scrollbar bug?
[11:40] <amichair> Riddell: printer job options has a scrollbar inside the outer scrollbar
[11:42] <amichair> Riddell: http://imagebin.org/91874
[11:43] <amichair> u need to use both scrollbars to reach the bottom
[12:00] <larsivi> can I upgrade directly from 09.04 to lucid?
[12:00] <Riddell> no
[12:01] <larsivi> 'k
[12:08] <Riddell> topicdiff Test ISO images!
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: isnt kubuntu_71_default_plasma_layout.diff from kdebase-workspace replaced by the init script?
[12:24] <apachelogger> i.e. can be removed
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[12:27]  * apachelogger rms
[12:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu_105_netbook_favourites.diff can be archived via capser I suppose?
[12:36] <apachelogger> agateau: just so you know http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=87060&p=153899#p153897 do we have something to backport?
[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: I tried that but couldn't find anything which worked reliably
[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I expect we have dbusmenu patches leaking into backports
[12:37] <apachelogger> kk
[12:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: about the favourites patch ... there is a config file it seems, so we could probably just dump the appropriate stuff in kubuntu-netbook-defaults and casper could then just run sed on that file
[12:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: I tried that, it'll be in the casper history, but it didn't work reliably and then the config file format changed so I gave up
[12:44] <Riddell> can't remember what didn't work reliably about it off the top of my head though, I should write stuff like that down
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should look into this post release
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ah finally :)
[12:45]  * apachelogger thinks that a lot of the stuff in workspace can either be done without a patch or upstreamed with a bit of cream on top of it
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw our conversation about kubuntu-manual....
[12:47]  * apachelogger falls over
[12:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well like i said,im thinking of starting a project on kubuntu-manual....
[12:49] <persia> shadeslayer: That is a lot of work.  Have you considered instead working with the doc team, or working with KDE upstream to write a more generic manual?
[12:50] <shadeslayer> persia: well i wasnt thinking of starting it alone :D
[12:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: youd need a lot of help
[12:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm....
[12:50] <apachelogger> quite frankly I am not even sure if upstream would want to start that kind of thing, because if you get that started you need to stick with it and maintain it
[12:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ you mean KDE?
[12:51] <apachelogger> yes
[12:51] <apachelogger> and KDE got loads of documenters
[12:51] <shadeslayer> yeah i dont think KDE would be interested...
[12:52] <apachelogger> also, if you want a manual, then you want a good one, so there must be some obvious quality difference between the off-the-shelve ubuntu book and the manual
[12:52] <shadeslayer> persia: anyways half the work is already done for us in the ubuntu manual
[12:52] <shadeslayer> persia: most of it can be just copied with minor changes and used in kubuntu manual
[12:52] <persia> Maybe 20%, but seriously, you'll get more for your effort contributing to the documentation team.
[12:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: as soon as you make changes to the copies you rob yourself of consistency
[12:53] <apachelogger> either you then manually merge line by line changes, or copy again and risk regressions etc.
[12:54] <apachelogger> it's not like you create a manual once, but it needs constant maintenance
[12:54] <apachelogger> say kubuntu switches dragon player for kaffeine, youd need to rewrite a whole section probably AND change every reference ever made to dragon player
[12:55] <shadeslayer> ( this is precisely why im discussing it here :P )
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: everyone is already quite busy as it is :S
[12:55] <apachelogger> also you want people who work on this and this only
[12:55] <apachelogger> maybe other doc tasks
[12:56] <apachelogger> but really no one who might get carried away by some bug in kickoff ;)
[12:58] <agateau> apachelogger: I sent the fix for flicker to Riddell, I think it is in main now
[12:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: on that subject, lets have lancelot already :D
[12:59] <jussi01> agateau: just the man I waned
[12:59] <jussi01> wanted
[12:59]  * apachelogger has one very strong opinion about lancelot
[12:59]  * agateau is not sure it's a good news
[12:59] <apachelogger> agateau: it never is when jussi01 says that...
[13:00] <agateau> that's what I thought
[13:00] <agateau> :)
[13:00] <jussi01> agateau: seem that the notifier does strange things when you click ignore, or not now. Im getting apps minimise when I do that.
[13:00] <apachelogger> agateau: still getting the flickers though
[13:00] <jussi01> random apps, ie. quassel, chromium
[13:00] <jussi01> whatever is focused.
[13:00] <apachelogger> agateau: did I report that the kopete menu takes like one minute to construct the first time?
[13:00] <apachelogger> well, not that long, but too long
[13:00] <agateau> jussi01: what do you mean with "notifier"?
[13:01] <agateau> jussi01: the statusnotifieritem ?
[13:01] <agateau> or the update notifier
[13:01] <jussi01> agateau: ie. when kpackage kit pops aup a message saying "you have 10 updates"
[13:01] <agateau> ok, update notifier then
[13:01] <jussi01> or the one for the restart after updting the kernel
[13:01] <agateau> not sure I am the man you want
[13:01] <apachelogger> agateau: that is not update notifier :P
[13:01] <apachelogger> that is kpk
[13:02] <jussi01> agateau: ScottK said to blame you :P
[13:02] <agateau> I never worked on this
[13:02] <ScottK> Oh, sorry.
[13:02] <agateau> ScottK: ^ why do you think I should be involved?
[13:02] <apachelogger> ScottK didnt dare blaming me :P
[13:02]  * apachelogger thinks that he should go do some bike riding
[13:03] <ScottK> I think I thought dbusmenu was misfiring somewhow.
[13:03] <agateau> ScottK: don't think so, at least not in this case
[13:03] <apachelogger> for once :P
[13:03] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  Sorry for the misdirection.
[13:04] <agateau> ScottK: no problem
[13:04] <ScottK> jussi01: I did get the case to try it and couldn't reproduce it.
[13:04] <jussi01> ScottK: hrm
[13:04]  * apachelogger sighs aftrer seein gall the crap bug reports lying around :(
[13:04] <jussi01> ScottK: do you have desktop effects running? (I do, and suspect that they may have something to do ith it)
[13:05] <ScottK> Yes, I did.
[13:05] <jussi01> hrm
[13:05] <ScottK> It was netbook though.
[13:05] <jussi01> well I am not on the machine now, but Ill bother people again when I get home tonight
[13:06] <jussi01> is there anyway for me to test?
[13:19] <Riddell> shtylman: waa
[13:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: persia : sorry for that... power outages
[13:38] <shadeslayer> ok ill contact the docs team then :)
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rekonq/+bug/534630 : is a bug in webkitkde... not rekonq
[13:48] <ghostcube> http://www.collateralmurder.com/
[13:49] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: \o/
[13:50] <ghostcube> hi shadeslayer :)
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: hey :)
[13:50] <ghostcube> sup?
[13:50] <ghostcube> its getting really warm here in my office bah
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: hehe... well nothing actually... was watching heroes S2
[13:50] <ghostcube> :)
[13:51] <ghostcube> oh that reminds me of getting fringe S2
[13:51] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: nice...
[13:56] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone know how to boot with a cetain driver? like a custom entry for ubuntu+nvidia and ubuntu+nouveau?
[14:27] <ScottK> ryanakca: libqinfinity is out of New in Debian, so you should be able to request a sync once it hits their archive.
[14:33] <persia> Is the issue with ries fixed?
[14:33] <ScottK> Yes
[14:35] <txwikinger> For the iso tests, is it ok to do them in a vm?
[14:36] <shtylman> Riddell: :) yea... I see your post
[14:38] <ScottK> txwikinger: Yes.
[14:38] <txwikinger> ScottK: ok cool... I will do some testing tonight and tomorrow then
[14:38] <ScottK> Great.
[14:38] <txwikinger> I already did some testing during the Bug Jam actually for that
[14:39] <txwikinger> but I will repeat it with the new isos
[14:39] <txwikinger> However, I think for the upgrade I did not find the update-manager in karmic interestingly
[15:27] <shtylman> Riddell: did you file a bug for that problem?
[15:28] <Riddell> shtylman: the panual partitioner problem?  no
[15:28] <Riddell> manual
[15:28] <Riddell> ev said he was looking at it a while ago
[15:32] <shtylman> gotcha
[15:43] <Riddell> shtylman: there is also bug 556436 which is worrying
[15:44] <Riddell> I managed to fix it using the same unicode workaround we have in other pykde apps but I'm really curious to know why it appears now in ubiquity
[15:44] <shtylman> Riddell: I am not sure either... I couldn't even reproduce it
[15:44] <ScottK> Translations finally fixed enough to manifest the problem?
[15:45] <apachelogger> *cough* python *cough*
[15:46] <Riddell> shtylman: I think it needs spanish chosen at the boot screen not the ubiquity language page
[15:47] <shtylman> I see
[15:47] <shtylman> also... we still have that annoying printer config dialog bug
[15:47] <shtylman> where it is way too big
[15:47] <maco> Riddell: er that doesnt mean it shouldnt work though, right?
[15:48] <Riddell> shtylman: what's way too big?
[15:48] <shtylman> the config dialog
[15:48] <shtylman> for printer config
[15:48] <Riddell> maco: the utf8 workaround?
[15:48] <shtylman> Riddell: it becomes unusable cause the accept button is way below the bottom of the screen
[15:49] <shtylman> Riddell: note I have a 24" monitor ... so it is probly even worse for others
[15:50] <maco> Riddell: choosing a spanish keyboard or locale in ubiquity while running the installer in english should be possible--for example, me installing kubuntu for someone who doesnt speak english and i dont speak enough spanish to do it that way round. so the installer runs in english and the installed system runs in spanish
[15:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: utf8 is fully supported in Python3, we just need to upgrade.
[15:50] <Riddell> shtylman: screenshot?  (seems fine for me but that UI changes for each printer)
[15:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: so lets do it then :D
[15:50] <Riddell> maco: that should be fine yes
[15:51] <ScottK> Python 3 is in Main now, so it could be done for Maverick.
[15:51] <maco> Riddell: sounds like "but isn't" :P
[15:51]  * maco giggles
[15:51] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw that device notifier bug is solved too... the one where devices wont open until you click on the icon
[15:51] <maco> can we just top gun it and say "mav"?
[15:51] <evilshadeslayer> maco: +1
[15:51] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: the what?
[15:51] <Riddell> maco: well X just froze half way through my install so I'm not super confident of much currently
[15:52] <maco> Riddell: hahaha
[15:52] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: do I know that bug?
[15:52] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah you commented on it
[15:52]  * ScottK is upgrading his desktop.
[15:52] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: did I close it?
[15:52] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: i think so..
[15:52] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: can I haz bug number?
[15:52] <apachelogger> then I dont need no bug no ^^
[15:52] <evilshadeslayer> sure one sec...
[15:52] <ScottK> Based on LiveCD tesking Intel 865 support is much better in Lucid than Karmic.
[15:53] <evilshadeslayer> 549438
[15:53] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: oh wait.. thats ScottK
[15:53] <evilshadeslayer> um.. Scott T
[15:53] <evilshadeslayer> bug /549438
[15:54] <ScottK> Without the "/"
[15:54] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: yeah.. typo :)
[15:56]  * apachelogger gets all grumpy about the crappyness of the datetime module
[15:57] <rgreening> shtylman: ping
[15:57] <shtylman> rgreening: pong
[15:58] <rgreening> hey, shtylman. ev is debugging some issue with ubiquity kde frontend partitioning. any help you could offer on that?
[15:58] <shtylman> Riddell: http://imagebin.org/91906
[15:58] <apachelogger> bug 549438
[15:58] <rgreening> bug 55637
[15:58] <rgreening> shtylman: ^
[15:58] <rgreening> oops
[15:58] <rgreening> sry wrong bug
[15:59] <shtylman> heh
[15:59] <rgreening> shtylman: bug 556373
[15:59] <shtylman> rgreening: I will take a look when I can (right now at work) but will help where I can
[15:59] <rgreening> anyway, perhaps you can help ev, if you have any time/suggestions :)
[15:59] <shtylman> indeed
[15:59] <rgreening> k
[16:05] <apachelogger> AH
[16:06] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:07]  * apachelogger is close to a bug fix
[16:13] <ScottK> Are we forcing local configuration changes to be overwritten without asking on purpose or is it a bug?
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: huh?
[16:14] <ScottK> Currently dist-upgrading and my reportbug config got overwritten without me being asked.
[16:14] <apachelogger> usually debconf should come up, shouldnt it?
[16:15] <ScottK> It should.
[16:15] <apachelogger> if(!(ntpUtility = KStandardDirs::findExe("ntpdate", path)).isEmpty())
[16:15] <apachelogger> madness
[16:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: are you upgrading via kpk?
[16:15] <ScottK> No, using update-manager-kde.
[16:15] <ScottK> Or does that use kpk now?
[16:16] <apachelogger> no
[16:16]  * apachelogger didnt even know that there is such a thing as update-manager-kde ^^
[16:16] <ScottK> Of course that's nothing to the entire system freezing up in mid upgrade (which just happened)
[16:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[16:18] <maco> apachelogger: its in july
[16:19] <apachelogger> ohh
[16:19] <apachelogger> that kind of upgrade
[16:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: last time I tried it had debconf support
[16:20] <ScottK> yeah, trying to test out what the users will deal with
[16:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it does.  I may have been an artifact of my system dieing in mid-upgrade.
[16:21] <ScottK> Parts of it were dead, but it was making progress still.
[16:30] <apachelogger> scary
[16:32] <apachelogger> http://pastebin.com/L5Szqz1W ^^
[16:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: scary
[16:51] <ScottK> Ah hah.
[16:51] <ScottK> When the upgrader removes your video driver, that's "bad".
[16:52] <ScottK> I can haz Lucid.
[17:04] <evilshadeslayer> ScottK: maybe its just replacing it with a alternative?
[17:05] <ScottK> No.  Reinstalling the driver solved the problem.
[17:05] <apachelogger> OH DEAR
[17:06] <apachelogger> why does this ungodly code save the description
[17:06] <apachelogger> servers=asia.pool.ntp.org,Öffentlicher Zeitserver (pool.ntp.org),europe.pool.ntp.org,north-america.pool.ntp.org,oceania.pool.ntp.org
[17:06] <apachelogger> that is so silly -.-
[17:07] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[17:07] <apachelogger> I know why
[17:07] <apachelogger> yet it is silly
[17:30] <Riddell> anything I should mention at the desktop meeting this week?
[17:31] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: the fact that the desktop is awesome :)
[17:33] <Riddell> ScottK: any idea what state ARM images are in?
[17:33] <Riddell> or NCommander?
[17:36] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: btw the branding should be in : ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/Glassified/widgets
[17:36] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: (for glassified theme)
[17:36] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: and there is not?
[17:36] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: um nope.. i put it there...
[17:36]  * apachelogger is confused
[17:37] <evilshadeslayer> lemme refresh the cache and see
[17:37] <apachelogger> was there a branding.svg(z) before?
[17:37] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: no
[17:37] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: i can see it now :)
[17:38] <evilshadeslayer> but the logo is black... on black :P
[17:38] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/ysuMe8.html
[17:39] <persia> Isn't that black-on-purple?
[17:39] <evilshadeslayer> persia: purple?
[17:39] <apachelogger> OMG!
[17:39] <apachelogger> no
[17:39] <apachelogger> OMV
[17:40] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: eh?
[17:40] <apachelogger> oh my vader!
[17:40] <apachelogger> that said
[17:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: google omv
[17:40] <persia> Oh my!  Violet!
[17:40] <kubotu> Results for omv: 1. OMV Aktiengesellschaft: http://www.omv.com/ | 2. OMV AG: http://www.omv.com/portal/01/com | 3. Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles Expresslane: http://omv.dps.state.la.us/
[17:40] <evilshadeslayer> heh..
[17:40] <apachelogger>  3 files changed, 54 insertions(+), 60 deletions(-)
[17:40]  * apachelogger likes when he removes more crap than he adds
[17:40] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[17:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Didn't get a chance to run them, but ~OOo they should work.
[17:53] <Riddell> ScottK: you have something to run them on?
[18:06] <Riddell> ofirk: I committed your logo to the slideshow thanks
[18:11] <evilshadeslayer> sebas: there?
[18:12] <sebas> yep
[18:12] <evilshadeslayer> sebas: so i heard on the ML that you guys had extra 9.10 CD's
[18:12] <sebas> evilshadeslayer: that's Riddell :)
[18:13] <evilshadeslayer> oh.. ok,sorry to disturb you :)
[18:13] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[18:16] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: can you mail me those CD's?
[18:22] <evilshadeslayer> ( if you have some extras ;) )
[18:22] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: I need your postal address and a phone number for the delivery company
[18:23] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: sure should i provide them now?
[18:23] <evilshadeslayer> or put them in the ML?
[18:24] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: e-mail me
[18:24] <evilshadeslayer> okies..
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> lex79: just for you: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/shaman/libshaman/backends/qapt/
[18:25] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: jriddell@gmail.com right?
[18:26] <Riddell> nope
[18:26] <Riddell> jriddell@ ubuntu.com
[18:26] <evilshadeslayer> ah ok
[18:27] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~jriddell << this isnt you?
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> I think he's ~jr
[18:27] <evilshadeslayer> ah...
[18:28] <Riddell> hmm, an imposter
[18:28] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: hehe.. i thought so :P
[18:28] <evilshadeslayer> 14k in karma...
[18:28] <evilshadeslayer> wow :P
[18:29] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: that phone number needs a "+" infront?
[18:29] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: what do you need them for and how many?
[18:29] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: hmm... +91 yes
[18:30] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: oh ill be distributing these amongst friends,many of them are interested...
[18:30] <Riddell> evilshadeslayer: so say 100?
[18:30] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: any number you can send... im in a college
[18:30] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: sure.. :P
[18:30] <evilshadeslayer> ill go on a distribution spree :D
[18:31]  * Riddell bumps it to 200 for good luck
[18:31] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[18:33] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: thanks btw :)
[18:34] <Riddell> cor, it's nookie^
[18:35] <Riddell> nookie^: fancy doing a graphic for beta 2's news article?
[18:38] <DarkwingDuck> yay
[18:38] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, new system works now *sigh*
[18:42] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: btw will the stickers get updated with the logo?
[18:42] <evilshadeslayer> the new logo you guys are working on
[18:42] <Riddell> I expect the whole of shop.canonical will get redone
[18:43] <evilshadeslayer> nice....
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> good, I need a new stressball now
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> For those that care... Wife is working on the new logo for business card designs for kubuntu and ubuntu
[18:49] <evilshadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: nice!
[18:49] <evilshadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i saw the ones on the wiki.. they were good though :D
[18:50] <DarkwingDuck> Ones on the wiki were old logos right?
[18:50] <evilshadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[18:50] <NCommander> Riddell: they work last time I checked. GrueMaster tests them every now and again
[18:51] <DarkwingDuck> anyone seen nixternal?
[18:52] <evilshadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: nope.. not today
[18:52] <evilshadeslayer> i think the interwebz ate him..
[18:52] <evilshadeslayer> or someone broke string freeze and hes chopping fingers
[18:53] <DarkwingDuck> lol prolly
[18:54] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I already downloaded your baby two days ago :P Congrats for the inclusion in shaman :)
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> lex79: btw, make sure to have libqapt installed or else it'll build the old apt backend
[18:55] <lex79> ok
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> The qapt backend can only look at packages and check for updates at the moment, though
[18:57] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: are we switching to shaman in the future?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> evilshadeslayer: dunno
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> The UI could definitely use improvement
[18:58] <lex79> ah ok, I was just wondering if it's complete :)
[18:58] <evilshadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hmm.. well i dont use kpk.. just cli.. so really dont care.. but alot of work into kpk so i thought it might go waste
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> PackageKit is broken by design. One size doesn't fit all, it turns out
[18:59] <evilshadeslayer> hehe..
[18:59] <evilshadeslayer> ok gtg...cya tomorrow :)
[19:04] <rgreening> Is it just me or is this aweful to look at: http://imagebin.ca/view/5q8Cpi.html
[19:05] <rgreening> "Live Session User on UbKUBUNTU*"
[19:05] <rgreening> bleck!
[19:05]  * rgreening is gonna keep complaining until it changes :P
[19:05] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[19:06] <rgreening> poke
[19:07] <rgreening> It would look better if a) the text wrapped below the current line or b) the logo was small enough that the text and logo fix in the default setup. as it stands the text and logo overlap to utter FUGLYness
[19:29] <lex79> JontheEchidna: there is no cmakelists in qapt folder in shaman
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> lex79: It's all done through BackendSelector.cmake in the libshaman folder
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> the cmakelists.txt in the old apt backend was for a helper app that's not in the new one (moved to libqapt)
[19:33] <dantti> JontheEchidna: the Configure Printer dialog is finished, (last addition was a PPD selector and the ability to upload ppds, if you can take a look and maybe find bugs that'd be nice :D
[19:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: so I have to go in libshaman folder and build?
[19:34] <lex79> I mean build the backend before in that folder?
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you have to build from sysadmin/shaman and build the whole thing from there
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> the backends are part of libshamancore
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> (playground/sysadmin/shaman, or the top-level directory for shaman in a checkout)
[19:36] <lex79> JontheEchidna: something is wrong since cmake complains about Could NOT find QAPT
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> lex79: and you installed libqapt from playground/libs/libqapt?
[19:37] <lex79> ops, no :)
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:41] <lex79> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1857265
[19:41] <lex79> Quiet not found ?
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> that warning shouldn't hurt anything
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> probably a typo somewhere
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> lex79: fixed in the latest revision, anyways
[19:45] <lex79> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1857268
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> ooo, forgot to commit that bit
[19:45] <lex79> :D
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: svn up
[19:47] <lex79> k
[20:01] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I built and installed your libs but I have this errors in shaman http://pastebin.ca/1857281
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> lex79: it's building with the old apt backend for some reason. Try cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DSHAMAN_BACKEND=qapt
[20:04] <lex79> ok, I try
[20:07] <lex79> weird, WARNING: You chose the QApt Shaman backend but you don't have QApt installed Falling back to Fake backend
[20:08] <lex79> seems shaman can't find where I have qapt
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[20:09] <lex79> http://pastebin.ca/1857285
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Please update and install libqapt again. It should fix the problem
[20:09] <lex79> ok
[20:14] <lex79> uhm no, same problem
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> same here with a clean build...
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> I had this problem last night too, but then I fixed it. But now it's back
[20:17] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you should also add to cmake find_package(apt-pkg REQUIRED)
[20:18] <lex79> or something like, since you need apt-pkg/pkgcache.h to building
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> oo, I fixed it for me
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> gah, but it failed when I tried it again :(
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> lex79: please update libqapt, install that, then update shaman and try building it
[20:29] <lex79> ok, I'm feeling your personal tester :)
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you are probably the first person other than myself to build this
[20:30] <lex79> ah :D
[20:32]  * JontheEchidna is going to UDS \o/
[20:34]  * rgreening too
[20:34] <rgreening> woot
[20:34]  * rgreening gets to beat up JontheEchidna at UDS!
[20:34] <rgreening> :P
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I've made another update for shaman, to fix linkage at the end of the build
[20:37] <lex79> JontheEchidna: now it works btw
[20:37]  * rgreening is attempting to wrap the kickoff text between the user pic and the branding logo... lets see if I can break things better than they are :P
[20:40] <lex79> JontheEchidna: is it right? http://imagebin.ca/view/WYrwmEL.html
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> um
[20:41] <lex79> for now you can only check for updates
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> more like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/74YmlE.html
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> go to settings-> plugins and make sure all but the test plugins are enabled
[20:43] <lex79> oh, I closed and reopen shaman and now works
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:43] <ryanakca> ScottK: OK, freeze exception before the sync, or can I include it in the same bug report?
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> lex79: does updating the database work? (I'm curious :D)
[20:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: seems so, and kauth works too
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> nice
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> the progress bar in the dialog should work, but I've not been able to get the messages to show up in the "details" thing
[21:22] <apachelogger> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:22] <apachelogger> omg omg omg omg omg omg
[21:22]  * apachelogger starts crying like a baby
[21:23] <ryanakca> kubotu: order apachelogger a box of tissues
[21:23]  * kubotu slides apachelogger a box of tissues down the bar to ryanakca
[21:24] <apachelogger> :'(
[21:24] <apachelogger> ryanakca: thank you
[21:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> whats wrong now apachelogger?
[21:32] <apachelogger> the timezones4 translation domain is COMPLETE missing
[21:32] <apachelogger> lioke not there at all
[21:32] <apachelogger> not even a bit
[21:35] <seele> how many kubunteros do we have going to UDS?
[21:36] <maco> apachelogger: he's canoeing
[21:36] <apachelogger> this is not going to end well
[21:36] <maco> seele: they havet finished sending out emails yet, so thats probably still unknown. i think we can be sure Riddell and agateau are going..
[21:36] <apachelogger> can someone please screenshot the date&time module in systemsettings?
[21:36] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Sure.
[21:36] <maco> apachelogger: in english?
[21:37]  * apachelogger doesnt have an idea how it is supposed to look like and his is sorta weird ^^
[21:38] <maco> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/qRnoAb.html
[21:38] <ryanakca> apachelogger: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/apachelogger.png
[21:39] <apachelogger> maco: how does it look at bigg size?
[21:39] <apachelogger> ryanakca: wrong kcm :P
[21:39] <maco> apachelogger: stweeeeeeeeeeeetch
[21:39] <maco> apachelogger: it just looks like there's more grey space
[21:39] <apachelogger> well, where in particular
[21:39] <maco> like the clock moves farther to the right and the buttons at the bottom move down
[21:40] <maco> and that greyed out dropdown is wider
[21:40] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Heh, crappy translation then. What other date and time module is there?
[21:40] <apachelogger> so it looks as funky as here
[21:40] <ryanakca> Oh, that one :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the one maco pasted :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> maco, ryanakca: thanks for the screenies
[21:40] <maco> apachelogger: also, its broken
[21:40] <apachelogger> maco: define broken?
[21:40] <maco> notice the grey "apply" button
[21:41] <apachelogger> well, there is nothing to apply unless you change something?
[21:41] <ryanakca> Apply button enables itself if I try changing the date here
[21:41] <maco> not if i try changing timezone...
[21:41] <maco> (on the timezone tab)
[21:41] <apachelogger> maco: working on that
[21:42] <maco> apachelogger: oh youre fixing the timezone tab?
[21:42] <apachelogger> + my timezone tab got a search widget ^^
[21:42]  * ryanakca can confirm maco's issue
[21:42] <apachelogger> maco: already killed 2 bugs in the ntp stuff earlier
[21:42] <maco> apachelogger: \o/
[21:46] <kdelogger> oh my
[21:46] <maco> ?
[21:46] <kdelogger> Object::connect: No such slot Dtime::handleZoneChange()
[21:47] <maco> seele: and sure that i'm not. stupid exams.
[21:47] <kdelogger> for all that do not speak qobjectish: there is something completely missing and thus there is no whatsoever reaction to selecting another time zone ;)
[21:48]  * maco thinks we figured that out by clicking and observing that nothing happens
[21:48] <kdelogger> you had to click
[21:48] <kdelogger> I just had to read :P
[21:48]  * ryanakca sighs, no UDS for me
[21:48] <kdelogger> and I already know more than you :P
[21:48] <kdelogger> clearly my approach was supperior :P
[21:48] <ghostcube> -.-
[21:49]  * kdelogger is wondering why ghostcube looks so troubled
[21:50] <ghostcube> nah bored :)
[21:50] <ghostcube> hehe
[21:50] <ghostcube> just came home :) sup peoples
[21:51]  * kdelogger is switching timezones soon ;)
[21:51] <kdelogger> interesting
[21:52] <kdelogger> the datetime kcm creates a QStringList, while the helper that sets the timzeone expects only a QString
[21:52] <maco> kdelogger: i think the number of people who click "ok" without reading the dialog they're ok'ing are proof that clicking is easier than reading
[21:52] <kdelogger> well, then
[21:52] <kdelogger> maco: go fix the issue with information obtained via clicking :P
[21:57] <kdelogger> kde commit 1111865 \o/
[22:01] <kdelogger> oh
[22:01] <kdelogger> tsimpson: something tells me ubottu is in a bad mood today
[22:02] <tsimpson> kde rev 1111865
[22:02] <tsimpson> it doesn't know "commit" apparently
[22:04] <tsimpson> @reload Svn
[22:04] <kdelogger> ah
[22:04] <tsimpson> lag much...
[22:04] <kdelogger> tsimpson: cheers
[22:04] <kdelogger> can someone please gimme the output of sudo ls -l /etc/localtime
[22:05] <kdelogger> and /etc/timezone while we are at it
[22:05] <kdelogger> I think the kcm just busted my system ^^
[22:05] <tsimpson> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1883 2010-04-05 22:54 /etc/localtime
[22:05] <tsimpson> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   16 2010-04-05 22:54 /etc/timezone
[22:05] <kdelogger> thanks
[22:05] <kdelogger> and indeed broken it is
[22:05] <kdelogger> -.-
[22:05] <kdelogger> silly kcm
[22:06] <Riddell> evening
[22:07] <Riddell> 22:05 < slangasek> all respins done/posted except for DVD
[22:07] <Riddell> go go ISO testers!
[22:09] <Riddell> seele: I think I count 7 kubuntuers on the UDS sponsorship list
[22:09] <seele> Riddell: good, that seems like a typical number
[22:09] <seele> provided i can get permission to go.. hopefully i will find out this week
[22:10] <kdelogger> kubotu: time sydney, australia
[22:10] <kdelogger> kubotu: time sydney/australia
[22:10] <Riddell> it's 2 up on our usual quota of 5
[22:11] <kdelogger> kubotu: you are not very nice today
[22:11] <kdelogger> Riddell: kdebase-runtime/locale creates timezones4.pot in ../../kdelibs or something, thus we loose timezones 4 COMPLETELY, could you please take a look at fixing this upstreamish?
[22:12] <kdelogger> maybe if dir ../../kdelibs exists do that path, otherwise throw it in here
[22:12] <kdelogger> after freeze we can patch it I guess
[22:12] <seele> Riddell: weren't there 7 for karmic?
[22:12] <kdelogger> but even then dpm needs to fiddle with the mappings I guess
[22:22] <lex79> kdelogger: what do you think about bug 556755 ? Can we do? shtylman maybe you're interested
[22:23] <shtylman> lex79: do we care? ... maybe we do
[22:24] <kdelogger> can do, and fairly easy too
[22:24] <Riddell> there's no easy way to fix it
[22:24] <kdelogger> update-alternatives is fairly easy :P
[22:24] <Riddell> well, spose so
[22:24] <kdelogger> and the only approach to this anyway
[22:25] <kdelogger> also chris seemd to be good with that final suggestion I made ;)
[22:26] <lex79> if it's easy someone should care...someone with graphics skill, not me :P
[22:29] <lex79> kdelogger: they said me in chakra the splash is blue, we have to fix this gap :D
[22:30] <kdelogger> I would have fixed it if I wouldnt be too scared of breaking openoffice :P
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> So if making a splash for OOo is fairly easy, and if you're scared of breaking OOo, it must follow that OOo is easy to break?
[22:33] <rgreening> lol foobar logic
[22:33] <kdelogger> friends
[22:33] <kdelogger> it is openoffice
[22:33] <kdelogger> it is broken by definition
[22:34] <lex79> lol
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/kO_FfJv0.html \o/
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> <3 QStackedView
[22:35] <kdelogger> timezones must have been invited by a bunch of loons
[22:35] <kdelogger> it is 7:35 am now -.-
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> 5:36 pm here
[22:36] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: cool, can you please hurry up, kubuntu-debug-installer wants to eat your lib ;)
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> nom nom
[22:36] <kdelogger> no no
[22:36] <kdelogger> I have been told it is
[22:36] <kdelogger> om nom nom
[22:36] <kdelogger> or OM NOM NOM
[22:36] <JontheEchidna> lol, kpackagekit crashed
[22:36] <kdelogger> depending on whether you are spitting a lot while eating
[22:37]  * JontheEchidna wonders if he is responsible for a moment, but it quickly passes
[22:37] <kdelogger> kpk is also broken by definition
[22:37] <kdelogger> now
[22:37] <kdelogger> more important matter
[22:37] <kdelogger> app changes timezone
[22:37] <kdelogger> app reflects current timezone
[22:37] <kdelogger> -> app must reload current timezone
[22:38] <kdelogger> problem: ksystemtimezones gets updated async and does not emit a signal upon changed timezone
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> !!
[22:39] <kdelogger> oh, and I musst go through some KDE layer, in order to obtain l10nified content
[22:39] <kdelogger> suggestions anyone?
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> I just realized, software-properties-kde could already use libqapt for updating the package cache
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> As long as we can get it to call the qaptworker dbus service
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> but I guess python can do dbus fine
[22:40]  * kdelogger rofls
[22:40] <kdelogger> python and fine
[22:40] <kdelogger> haha
[22:41] <kdelogger> :')
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> lol
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> kdelogger: so, wanna target the use of libqapt-runtime components for all of our tool's batch operations for 10.10?
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> would make a nice spec for UDS, perhaps
[22:44] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: aye, if it is convenient enough I am all for it
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> basically all you have to do is invoke an async "updateCache" method via dbus, then connect to workerStarted, workerFinished, and updateProgress signals from dbus
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> and use those signals to make a simplish gui to represent cache reload progress
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> that is for updating the cache, anyways
[22:52] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: where do those signals go to, come from?
[22:54] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1857378 there, because you did not come up with some cool idea
[22:54] <kdelogger> I hope your eyes start burning from this uglyness :P
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> aiee
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> For PolicyKit integration, I have made a small helper app that does all the root-needing stuff for libqapt. This app is also an activatable dbus service
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> in fact, calling a org.kubuntu.qaptworker will automagically start the service if it's not already started
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> this service will send the signals
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> as well as handle auth, etc
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> *calling an org.kubuntu.qaptworker method will automagically start the service
[22:57] <kdelogger> and who/what quits the helper again?
[22:57] <kdelogger> auto idle timeout?
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:57] <kdelogger> sounds very sensible
[22:59] <kdelogger> http://www.google.com/buzz/sitter.harald/1EFNgnpyJhx/Vorsicht-rad-am-gehweg
[22:59] <kdelogger> there is my finger ^^
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> If you use libqapt, its backend can emit Q_SIGNALS so that you don't have to use D-Bus, but it will be perfectly feasible to interface directly with dbus for e.g. python apps (shudder)
[23:00] <kdelogger> and the bike, carelessly lying in the middle of the way
[23:00] <kdelogger> incredibly dangerous I found that
[23:00] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: I am quite sure there is some mad magic app that can create python bindings of the cpp code
[23:00] <kdelogger> think smoke
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> I am contemplating switching my GSoC app to be for continuing work on qapt, as I seem to have made quite some progress in the two weeks I've worked on it already
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> plus if somebody can get a single, solitary apt implementation done right, then all that has to be worried about is a GUI, which should be the easy part in comparison
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> you could have your app center, Qt aptitude clone, updater app, notifier icon, debug installer...
[23:02]  * kdelogger shudders about app center
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> mayhaps I should blog about this soon
[23:03] <kdelogger> JontheEchidna: would be a good idea
[23:03] <kdelogger> oh my
[23:03] <kdelogger> wicked idea!
[23:03] <kdelogger> kde bug 60237
[23:03] <kdelogger> instead of doing either or, why not do both depending on the context ;)
[23:04] <kdelogger> user changes clock -> qtimer single shot gets emitted, if the user changes the timezone and applies the changes within one minute than the just configured time is the time of the new timezone ;)
[23:04] <kdelogger> man that sounds awesomely confusing ^^
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[23:30] <kdelogger> maco: kde rev 1111886
[23:31] <maco> kdelogger: oooh yay!