[00:00] <yofel> red: ls -ld shows?
[00:00] <LinuxGuy2009> 49sec boot time sound pretty bad? Others getting any faster?
[00:00] <red> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4280 2010-04-06 01:15 .
[00:00] <red> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4280 2010-04-06 01:15 .
[00:00] <red> drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4280 2010-04-06 01:15 .
[00:00] <yofel> wrong
[00:00] <red> drwxr-xr-t 2 root root 40 2010-04-06 01:53 .
[00:00] <red> latter one from shm
[00:00] <red> first was dev accidently
[00:00] <yofel> still wrong, should be drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 160 2010-04-06 00:38 /dev/shm/
[00:01] <yofel> maybe some udev rule that has to set the permissions failed?
[00:10] <avis> is linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32 contained in universe or multiverse ?
[00:10] <crimsun> avis: neither, it's from a ppa.
[00:10] <avis> crimsun, when i did a dist-upgrade earlier, it was redownloaded, i though from the ubuntu server, and my soundcard stopped functioning
[00:11] <avis> i do not know how to give your PPA priority over the ubuntu ones
[00:11] <crimsun> avis: it shouldn't have been from the repo proper. just use apt-cache policy linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[00:11] <avis> i need not do that now, i removed it and reinstalled yours
[00:12] <DanaG> Evolution fail: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-New%20Calendar.png
[00:12] <LinuxGuy2009> I just tried to install the nvidia driver than I downloaded from nvidias website and didnt go so smooth. Do we have to wait for a compatible driver?
[00:12] <crimsun> avis: what do you mean by "yours"?
[00:12] <avis> your ppa.  i already had it installed, yet it seemed like the same update which had previously been installed for 32-19-pae was applied to my system, and it broken my sound
[00:13] <LinuxGuy2009> Man lucid feels fast
[00:13] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: we don't support installing the driver from the nvidia site
[00:13] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: please avoid the blob from nvidia site
[00:13] <avis> i've disabled all the ubuntu repos.  i dont wish to lose sound
[00:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Yeah I know its not supported. Thats not what I asked.
[00:14] <BUGabundo> avis: doesn't what ever we have in archive work for you ?
[00:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Why avoid it?
[00:14] <LinuxGuy2009> Ive used the official drivers for many releases
[00:14] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: it doesn't work smooth together with the debian package system
[00:14] <DanaG> ARGH.
[00:14] <kklimonda|G1> lasby not supported we mean don't ask us when it goes wrong ;)
[00:14] <DanaG> stupid Evolution.
[00:14] <DanaG> "On The Web" calendar -- no place for a URL.
[00:14] <kklimonda|G1> LinuxGuy2009: by supported...
[00:14] <DanaG> Same for CalDAV.
[00:15] <LinuxGuy2009> K I guess Ill use the one in the repos for now
[00:15] <kklimonda|G1> stupid phone keyboard
[00:15] <arand> LinuxGuy2009: Last time I checked the jockey blob worked reasonably...
[00:15] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: might be, but it will work even worse now, unless you know what to fix, and what's wrong with the ubuntu package?
[00:15] <LinuxGuy2009> Ubuntu nvidia drivers are usually older than dirt.
[00:16] <yofel> but work fine unless you need some bleeding edge features
[00:16] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok Ill try it
[00:16] <yofel> and right now the drivers are up to date
[00:16] <BUGabundo> kklimonda|G1: :P
[00:16] <LinuxGuy2009> I see driver 173 and one that says recomended but doesnt list the version number.
[00:16] <LinuxGuy2009> nice
[00:16] <Leathan> i had to install the 8000 series nvidia, no problems here, dual screen working fine... .but thats not helping so ill shut up dagain
[00:17] <kklimonda|G1> LinuxGuy2009: the -current is one of the latest
[00:17] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: and since you been using it for several releases, I bet you don't have a cutting edge card
[00:17] <LinuxGuy2009> Leathan: You got your 8 series working with the nvidia.com driver?
[00:17] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: current is 195
[00:17] <alesan> hi!
[00:17] <Leathan> yeah, installed 9.1 last week couldnt get dual screen to work (with different rez on each screen) so downloaded the nvidia driver... then upgraded to ubuntu 10 yesterday
[00:18] <LinuxGuy2009> I have an 9800 GTX+
[00:18] <alesan> anybody knows if now it is possible to compile loop-aes modules ?
[00:18] <BUGabundo> Leathan: if you mean ubuntu 9.10, please refer to #ubuntu channel
[00:18] <yofel> and I have a 250GTS that works perfectly fine with 195 from the ubuntu repository
[00:18] <Yfrwlf> it's safe to upgrade?  yaaaaaaay
[00:18] <BUGabundo> ohh miss read
[00:18]  * BUGabundo blinks blinks 
[00:19] <yofel> Yfrwlf: safer than a week ago yes, safe: no
[00:19] <LinuxGuy2009> How am i supposed to know which version driver the recomended one is without it saying?
[00:19] <BUGabundo> Yfrwlf: its never safe, unless you know what you are donig :D
[00:19] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: just use it, current is 195 at the moment
[00:19] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh ok thats not bad.
[00:19] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: 195.36.15
[00:19] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: jokey knows it for you
[00:19] <Yfrwlf> lol nnuuuuuuu
[00:19] <arand> LinuxGuy2009: jockey should say both current and recommended I think
[00:20] <LinuxGuy2009> yeah
[00:20] <Yfrwlf> well the upgrade a week ago broke things so that's why I was wondering ^^
[00:20] <Yfrwlf> thankies
[00:21] <Leathan> looking at mine, im on 195.36.15 too
[00:21] <LinuxGuy2009> Are the nvidia drivers in teh repos just repackaged ones frok nvidia?
[00:21] <LinuxGuy2009> from*
[00:21] <Yfrwlf> DON'T INSTALL NVIDIA BINARY BLOB, IT'S A TRAP
[00:22] <Yfrwlf> j/k :P
[00:22] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: pretty much yes, leaving the details aside
[00:22] <LinuxGuy2009> cool
[00:22] <BUGabundo> Yfrwlf: not very far
[00:22] <Yfrwlf> seriously tho, go Nouveau and whatever the leading ATI driver is. :P
[00:22] <crimsun> avis: the builds are daily
[00:22] <BUGabundo> the current nouveua with 3D support is pretty sweet
[00:22] <Yfrwlf> the ATI open source driver is rocking ^^
[00:22] <BUGabundo> a tad slow
[00:23] <crimsun> avis: are you saying the current ones are broken?
[00:23] <Yfrwlf> BUGabundo: haven't tried it yet, can't wait to though ^^
[00:23]  * fagan hasnt got 3d working yet :/
[00:23] <fagan> 2d and my computer fan goes crazy
[00:24] <BUGabundo> fagan: on what GPU and drivers?
[00:24] <Yfrwlf> fagain: ATI or Nvidia?
[00:24] <fagan> nvidia
[00:24] <BUGabundo> 3D is only on the PPA
[00:24] <fagan> Nouveau drivers
[00:24] <Yfrwlf> dun have any experience yet sorry
[00:24] <fagan> yeah I gave then a spin but my card is newish
[00:24] <bjsnider> crimsun, is the transit going to work as well as it could with pulse with the default installation settings or is there something i should be tweaking?
[00:24] <avis> crimsun, yes it lacks support for oxygen hd
[00:24] <Yfrwlf> but the ATI driver sadly doesn't throttle my GPU fan speed like it should is the only thing holding me back now
[00:24] <fagan> so its still doesnt have a lot of the support thats needed
[00:25] <Drew_> Hi all.  Trying to install 10.04 and it is stuck at 55%  I have vista already installed in another partition, I selected to install with the largest free space (This is about 40GB).  Any ideas?  Not sure what would happen if I do a reset...
[00:25] <kklimonda|G1> BUGabundo: you are using nouveau with 3d now? how stable the driver is? i had to revert to the one from normal repository some time ago
[00:25] <avis> crimsun, i have not rebooted since the last installation
[00:25] <LinuxGuy2009> Im thinking of sticking with this LTS for the long haul but dont know if I can take it, letting two new releases slide by without using them. hehe
[00:25] <avis> i will do that now
[00:25] <BUGabundo> Drew_: I think that's download of languages
[00:25] <BUGabundo> kklimonda|G1: blob here
[00:25] <Drew_> ?BUGabundo
[00:26] <histo> Drew_: are you using the gui installer or the text based installer?
[00:26] <fagan> Drew_: BUGabundo's right thats about the time in the install when the lang packs are downloaded
[00:26] <kklimonda|G1> BUGabundo: yuck!
[00:26] <Drew_> gui
[00:26] <toh192> Linux guy, you should only use the lts if you need a stable production env!
[00:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Installation of the driver failed. Nice
[00:26] <BUGabundo> LinuxGuy2009: LOL
[00:26] <crimsun> bjsnider: I'm not at all sure what you mean. Is it broken somehow?
[00:27] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: known, run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' from  a terminal and the driver will work
[00:27] <bjsnider> crimsun, i'm not sure if it is or not. could be the disk. but i get dropouts during music playback at times
[00:27] <LinuxGuy2009> nothing
[00:27] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: If it definitely is not progressing, perhaps you should try a different daily build or something?
[00:28] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: if you have a xorg.conf now then it should be fine
[00:28] <Yfrwlf> check System Monitor to see if it's downloading anything if it doesn't say that it is :P
[00:28] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: jockey is a bit broken at the moment
[00:28] <LinuxGuy2009> oh
[00:28] <toh192> did you update it?
[00:29] <LinuxGuy2009> think ill reboot
[00:29] <toh192> Jockey is working fine for me, at least since the update
[00:29] <Yfrwlf> rebooting is for Windows :P
[00:29] <avis> crimsun, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=1b6143c0a2da43008011d93e7f9b352701f7e43a
[00:29] <avis> oxygen hd is not now functional
[00:30] <Drew_> Yfrwlf: at the moment I can't do anything.  What would happen if I just reset the pc?  No idea why I thought I'd try out the beta! :)
[00:30] <DanaG> Yfrwlf: there's experimental radeon KMS power-management support in these kernels:
[00:30] <DanaG> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-next/
[00:31] <BUGabundo> Drew_: you can "kill" the installer
[00:31] <Yfrwlf> DanaG: Oh?  Well I guess then I can report it and/or check back later if it's still not throttling it yet, thanks.
[00:31] <BUGabundo> I think that's some part of it that dies and lock
[00:31] <BUGabundo> you kill it, and it carries on
[00:31] <BUGabundo> or, as I said, it could be the downloads that are slow
[00:32] <DanaG> Though, be aware that those kernels are missing whatever Ubuntu "sauce" is is that makes ureadahead work.
[00:32] <LinuxGuy2009> nvidia glx 185 thats the one I need right? Ill try to manually install it I think.
[00:32] <Drew_> any ideas how to kill it?  Been stuck for over an hour now and I have a 20mbit connection
[00:32] <crimsun> bjsnider: can you get a verbose PA log? that symptom is reminiscent of a broken usb-audio driver
[00:33] <BUGabundo> Drew_: $ ps auxw
[00:33] <Drew_> When I said I was installed wth GUI....just to be clear I booted from a CD on powering the computer
[00:33] <BUGabundo> see its name, pkill the process
[00:33] <bjsnider> crimsun, provide instructions and i will
[00:33] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: It has already created the new partition, and if it put it after the Vista partition, it may try to boot to the 1/2 done Ubuntu partition and thus will not boot as I don't think Grub is installed yet at that point in the install process.  One option is to either install Grub manually, another is to just do a Ubuntu install of a different version or daily build, and select manual partitioning and overwrite the old Ub
[00:33] <bjsnider> but how can it be broken for me and not you?
[00:33] <DanaG> or, just killall name
[00:33] <DanaG> where name is whatever name it is.
[00:33] <crimsun> bjsnider: I use daily snaps
[00:34] <crimsun> bjsnider: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[00:34] <LinuxGuy2009> ah NM worked after reboot.
[00:34] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: You can kill any GUI program also by right clicking on the Gnome panel, adding "Force Quit", and using it on it.
[00:34] <crimsun> bjsnider: also, I'm pretty sure my hardware is different from yours. This is Intel logic.
[00:35] <toh192> is there a better chat program to use other than xchat?
[00:35] <Drew_> strangely enough...the mouse is unresponsive too :(
[00:35] <kklimonda|G1> toh192: weechat but it's text only
[00:35] <fagan> Drew_: sounds like a crash
[00:36] <toh192> Isnt all of irc text only?
[00:36] <kklimonda|G1> tehbaut: and define "better"
[00:36] <toh192> other than dcc
[00:36] <kklimonda|G1> toh192: ^
[00:36] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: I take it you're not chatting on this same device you're installing it on :D
[00:36] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: what happened?
[00:36] <fagan> toh192: irssi is fairly good but im using empathy at the moment
[00:36] <kklimonda|G1> toh192: weechat is terminal based, no gui
[00:36] <toh192> thanks ill look at weechat
[00:36] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: That would explain it being stopped at 55% lol
[00:37] <Drew_> yfrwlf:LOL.....no.
[00:37] <fagan> Drew_: turn it off and back on again and try again
[00:38] <nishanth> my computer freezes in between stuff for no reason and i have to hard boot it to get it back to work
[00:38] <nishanth> can anyone help me with issue?
[00:38] <Drew_> The thing is, I don't see anything that I could do even if the mouse was responsive as I started the install without booting into another OS.  I booted from CD and went straight into install
[00:38] <fagan> nishanth: go to #ubuntu
[00:38] <fagan> this is a support channel for 10.04
[00:38] <Drew_> Resetting the computer is the way forward then? Then trying again (with 9.1...lol)
[00:39] <nishanth> fagan: i am using 10.04
[00:39] <fagan> oh well that isnt a known issue
[00:39] <cpunk> Hi I am having trouble installing intel 2.4 graphics drivers on my macbook
[00:39] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: If the mouse and keyboard are both unresponsive you need to reboot, but if you can still use the keyboard you may be able to kill the installer.
[00:39] <fagan> is it a fresh install or have you installed some packages on it nishanth
[00:40] <yofel> cpunk: what drivers? graphics? lucid uses 2.9
[00:40] <kklimonda|G1> cpunk: why installing them by hand and not using what is in repo?
[00:40] <Yfrwlf> nishanth: Is it really totally random, or is there anything whatsoever which seems to be causing it, like moving or switching windows or anything?
[00:40] <cpunk> When I go to enable graphic effects in 'Appearance', it says they cannot be enabled
[00:41] <cpunk> I read that I had to revert to the 2.4 drivers
[00:41] <Drew_> completely fubared!  Thx anyways everyone. Going to reset the box and pray I can still get into vista.  WIll try again tomorrow!
[00:41] <histo> nishanth: I would try booting with acpi=off on your kernel line
[00:41] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: If you can't, you may need to install some other Ubuntu version instead.
[00:42] <bjsnider> crimsun, E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_usb_audio'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[00:42] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: Or some other Linux. :P
[00:42] <Drew_> Yup.......that's what I am going to do methinks (another version of ubuntu)....going through CDs like nobodies business...
[00:43] <cpunk> is there some other way to install the intel graphics drivers besides apt-get?
[00:43] <Yfrwlf> Drew_: If you have a USB stick with 1GB or more laying around, it's far faster and you don't have to waste CDs ^^
[00:43] <fagan> Drew_: more than likely it will work the second time
[00:43] <fagan> but if it doesnt report a bug
[00:43] <yofel> cpunk: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' tell you?
[00:43] <fagan> and see if it can be fixed
[00:44] <Drew_> Will do Fagan.  Cheers. NN all.
[00:44] <fagan> night
[00:44] <nishanth_> fagan:oops just got disconnected
[00:44] <histo> nishanth: edit /etc/default/grub and the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"  try chagning to "quiet splash acpi=off"   and see how it runs
[00:44] <histo> nishanth: after reboot ofcourse
[00:44] <BUGabundo> toh192: I like pidgin
[00:44]  * BUGabundo ducks
[00:44] <cpunk> glxinfo not currently installed
[00:44] <histo> nishanth: just to make sure its not a power issue
[00:44]  * kklimonda|G1 throws a brick at BUGabundo
[00:45] <Yfrwlf> Pidgin is the roxxors, tho I'm not sure which one is better for Jabber video
[00:45] <yofel> cpunk: hm, are you sure the not-activating isn't a bug in compiz? did you check your xorg log?
[00:45] <nishanth_> histo : i just got disconnected could you plz sedn me the earlier msgs once  more?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> nishanth_: did you run a memory test and fsdk to your disks?
[00:45] <histo> nishanth: just to make sure its not a power issue
[00:45] <cpunk> yofel: no idea how to do that
[00:45] <histo> nishanth: after reboot ofcourse
[00:45] <bjsnider> kklimonda|G1, no more brick throwing
[00:45] <histo> nishanth_: : edit /etc/default/grub and the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"  try chagning to "quiet splash acpi=off"   and see how it runs
[00:46] <nishanth_> BUGabundo: nah not yet
[00:46] <cpunk> glxinfo : direct rendering: Yes
[00:46] <cpunk> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[00:46] <histo> nishanth_: there try that
[00:46] <Yfrwlf> at least Pidgin sounds aren't crackling as often as they used to....as often being the key words
[00:46] <crimsun> bjsnider: yes, I did mention that it's a broken driver
[00:46] <nishanth_> should i just type  that in terminal
[00:46] <yofel> cpunk: ok, opengl doesn't work right for you
[00:46] <yofel> cpunk: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[00:46] <yofel> !paste > cpunk
[00:47] <nishanth_> histo: should i just type  that in terminal
[00:47] <nishanth_> histo: is that a terminal thingy?
[00:47] <bjsnider> crimsun, how do you want this og? it's getting pretty large
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Yfrwlf: pidgin as a lever to control that
[00:47] <bjsnider> log
[00:47] <histo> nishanth_: gksu gedit /etc/default/grub
[00:47] <crimsun> bjsnider: as long as it takes to reproduce the symptom
[00:47] <crimsun> you can stop it afterward
[00:48] <histo> nishanth_: in a terminal will bring up an editor and change the line I told you save the file and reboot see if that helps the random freezing
[00:48] <Yfrwlf> BUGabundo: A lever that says "crackly sounds" on one side and "smooth nice sounds" on the other? :D
[00:48]  * BUGabundo wonders when did this # go from +1 support to support anything
[00:48] <BUGabundo> Yfrwlf: kinda
[00:48] <BUGabundo> more like HEI YOU, LOOK AT ME
[00:48] <nishanth_> histo : this does not always happen but maybe once or twice every two day
[00:48] <BUGabundo> to shiu I'm sleeping
[00:49] <bjsnider> crimsun, in this log is recorded the name of the song i'm playing. how does pulse know that?
[00:49] <crimsun> bjsnider: the app passes that as part of the stream property
[00:49] <yofel> nishanth_: first run 'update-grub' after saving before rebooting
[00:49] <cpunk> Here is my Xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/409761/
[00:49] <yofel> cpunk: thanks, looking
[00:50] <histo> nishanth_: yeah also run sudo update-grub  before rebooting sry forgot about that.
[00:50] <nishanth_> ok did that
[00:50] <bisby> so my apt-get and recovery mode are pretty insistent on trying to install fglxr and wont let me use apt-get for anything else until it installs. except everytime it get an error
[00:50] <nishanth_> off to reboot
[00:51] <Yfrwlf> recovery mode works now? oooooo
[00:51] <kklimonda|G1> ok, time for me - g'night all
[00:51] <BUGabundo> bye kklimonda|G1
[00:51] <bisby> not for my problem. but it was running and gave me a prompt anyway
[00:52] <mawst> Does lucid come with gnome shell?
[00:52] <toh192> yes
[00:52] <yofel> cpunk: you have drm errors in there, not sure where they come from though
[00:52] <mawst> IS that default gnome now?
[00:52] <toh192> er, gdm if thats what you mean
[00:53] <yofel> cpunk: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:53] <mawst> No toh192
[00:53] <mawst> Gnome Shell is different than GDM
[00:53] <bjsnider> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/jxTG65GS
[00:53] <bjsnider> you can see it just says underrun
[00:53] <crimsun> bjsnider: a bug report against alsa-driver, please
[00:53] <cpunk> nope
[00:53] <yofel> cpunk: btw, is there are reason why you're running kernel 2.6.32-16? current is -19
[00:54] <cpunk> I just downloaded the beta iso from the ubuntu website
[00:54]  * toh192 googley googley googleing
[00:54] <BUGabundo> cpunk: beta is OLD
[00:54] <yofel> cpunk: ah, yeah, beta1 had -16
[00:54] <BUGabundo> please upgrade
[00:54] <BUGabundo> open update manager and go from there
[00:55] <yofel> as BUGabundo said, please update
[00:55] <cpunk> oh OK thanks
[00:55] <cpunk> will do
[00:55] <BUGabundo> are we in freeze?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> I'm not getting anything new
[00:55] <yofel> BUGabundo: beta2 freeze yes
[00:55] <bjsnider> crimsun, audio dev ppa would work better?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> this week already?
[00:55] <bisby> how would i go about making apt-get not worry about fglxr and swap to the open source ati driver?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> man, we are moving FAST
[00:55] <crimsun> bjsnider: it works better for me; I can't predict your success
[00:55] <yofel> BUGabundo: beta2 is due thursday ;P
[00:56] <BUGabundo> oh man
[00:56] <BUGabundo> more noobs^Wusers
[00:56] <yofel> yep -.-
[00:56] <cpunk> in update manager where will it tell me what version it's updating to? All it has is a list of packages
[00:57]  * BUGabundo puts fake smile
[00:57] <BUGabundo> cpunk: I _think_ you can expand it
[00:57] <BUGabundo> or you can do the cli version
[00:57] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:57] <BUGabundo> cpunk: FYI apt-cache policy PACKAGE
[00:58] <BUGabundo> will show you the version installed, available , and repo used
[01:00] <cpunk> Alright, ran safe-upgrade, will that get me to -19?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> is it available for you , on your mirror ?
[01:01] <cpunk> I have absolutly no idea sorry
[01:04] <avis> crimsun, i apologize to you and the channel, my sound card wasn't flush
[01:05] <avis> oxygen hd is back with your ppa
[01:09] <crimsun> heh.
[01:20] <kjele> cpunk: If you try the main server you will get it
[01:21] <cpunk> I just did aptitude safe-upgrade, it's running right now. Not sure what server its coming from
[01:22] <kjele> cpunk: just read from the console?
[01:22] <kjele> cpunk: Or a read from /etc/apt/source.list
[01:24] <cpunk> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[01:24] <cpunk> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid main restricted
[01:24] <cpunk> Are the first two?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> ??
[01:25] <cpunk> sources listed in source.list
[01:26] <kjele> cpunk: Should get it then.
[01:28] <toh192> 2nd crash since upgrade (last night).  still beats windows
[01:28] <BUGabundo> really?
[01:29] <BUGabundo> other then chromium moving tabs
[01:29] <toh192> program crashes that is
[01:29] <BUGabundo> or FF with flash
[01:29] <BUGabundo> I almost ever get a crash
[01:29]  * BUGabundo blantly discarts kmail from that list
[01:29] <toh192> xchat did and the other one was alsa i belive
[01:30] <toh192> I was playing a fatboy slim flac file in whatever the generic player is
[01:32] <cpunk> So I just finished the upgrade
[01:32] <cpunk> Once I restart how do I check my kernel version?
[01:32] <BUGabundo> uname -a
[01:32] <cpunk> thanks!
[01:52] <shakeuk> hi i just installed ubuntu 10.04 (my first ever time installing linux) but my cdrom is not found after installation
[01:52] <shakeuk> anyone know what i could do?
[01:54] <shakeuk> hello?
[01:54] <shakeuk> anyone in here?
[01:55] <sharky> ubuntu 10.04 beta is for testing not the best way to start
[02:12] <DanaG> argh, one of my media-keys on my keyboard reports scancode 0x0 and keycode 358.
[02:25] <DanaG> weird... my mute key sometimes transmits keycodes... and other times, it doesn't.
[02:28] <myk_robinson> Evening, all
[02:28] <myk_robinson> In Brasero, how do I prevent it from adding two second gaps between tracks on audio cds?
[02:30] <myk_robinson> test..
[02:31] <BUGabundo> can't help you much
[02:32] <frewsxcv> is there a java plugin in the repos in 10.4? i can't find one
[02:32] <myk_robinson> no prob, just didnt see any activity, was wondering if I was connected :)
[02:32] <frewsxcv> 10.04
[02:33] <myk_robinson> frewsxcv: did you enable the universe and multiverse repositories? Its in there
[02:33] <frewsxcv> myk_robinson, not icedtea, java plugin
[02:33] <myk_robinson> frewsxcv: yup, sun-java6-bin, etc
[02:33] <austin> ubuntu 10.04 has so many restriction im starting to hate ubuntu.... ubuntu is starting to be like Windows
[02:34] <frewsxcv> myk_robinson, i guess i'll check again
[02:34] <myk_robinson> frewsxcv: be sure to enable all the repositories, its also not a bad idea top add medibuntu repositories
[02:35] <austin> why did they take away alot in ccsm
[02:36] <EdgEy> austin that's something i'm noticing lately actually
[02:36] <EdgEy> no idea why options are being removed everywhere
[02:37] <austin> ya like whats going on here ya know they talk about freedom but yet they take some features away
[02:38] <maco> you are free to put them back... just hack the source..
[02:38] <maco> so technically, no loss of freedom
[02:38] <maco> bit of a fail at trusting the user though
[02:38] <myk_robinson> austin: what do you mean about ccsm? Everything seems to be there. Did you install the additional compiz packages?
[02:39] <austin> what are they
[02:39] <austin> can u name them
[02:39] <myk_robinson> austin: just a sec..
[02:39] <maco> compiz-fusion-plugins-extra ?
[02:40] <austin> yep thats it i think
[02:40] <myk_robinson> austin: compiz, compiz-core, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, compiz-plugins-fusion-main, compiz-gnome, compiz-plugins, compizconfig-backend-gconf,
[02:41] <austin> yep maco is right
[02:47] <tilgovi> Anyone using lucid with kde? I'm having an issue I'd like to confirm before filing a report.
[02:48] <yofel> tilgovi: just fire away
[02:48] <tilgovi> when I remove the old network-manager-kde applet from the systray by deselecting the systray option in the network management dialog, then I get disconnect and can no longer connect with the new plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[02:49] <tilgovi> so I have this spiffy new network management widget but it requires the old one to be there too...seems silly
[02:50] <yofel> oh that
[02:51] <yofel> it's not that it requires the old one to be running
[02:51] <yofel> but the kde devs think the management module of the plasma applet is still experimental so it's not loaded by default
[02:51] <yofel> running 'qdbus org.kde.kded /kded org.kde.kded.loadModule networkmanagement' will get the plasma applet to work without knetworkmanager
[02:52] <yofel> tilgovi: ^
[02:52] <tilgovi> yofel: awesome. thanks. if I decide this is bad news how can I turn it off?
[02:53] <rebecca_> Just  did the upgrade and I get a grub recovery when I restarted... A little help?
[02:53] <yofel> just restart KDE I think should be fine, you'll need to load that every time you want to use the plasma applet after login actually
[02:53] <BUGabundo> night guys
[02:54] <BUGabundo> and you too yofel. go to bed!
[02:54] <yofel> night BUGabundo
[02:54] <yofel> heh, just wanted to say that I'm going in a moment too ^^
[02:55] <tilgovi> yofel: ok. I'm not going to worry about it, then. As long as it's intended behavior, that's cool. I understand and I won't report it as a bug.
[02:57] <randomusr> is it possible to su?
[02:57] <arand> rebecca_: I would reinstall grub.
[02:58] <yofel> randomusr: sure, but there's no root password by default, rather use 'sudo -i'
[02:58] <arand> rebecca_: Are you using something upgraded from jaunty?
[02:58] <arand> !root > randomusr
[02:59] <rebecca_> how do I resinstall grub if I can
[02:59] <rebecca_> cant boot
[02:59] <randomusr> hmm
[03:00] <randomusr> rebecca, use the livecd tools
[03:00] <arand> rebecca_: boot from a liveCD and reinstall from there.
[03:00] <rebecca_> :/
[03:00] <randomusr> arand, isn't that a bit insecure to not use a root password?
[03:01] <arand> rebecca_: You can always try to boot from the grub rescue, however it is ususally more tricky.
[03:01] <arand> randomusr: the whole account is deactivated per default.
[03:01] <rebecca_> not sure how  to do that arand
[03:02] <randomusr> arand: what was the thinking behind this?
[03:02] <arand> rebecca_: So you don't have a liveCD handy?
[03:02] <rebecca_> not for lucid
[03:02] <rebecca_> for 9.10
[03:03] <arand> randomusr: read the !root factoid I sent you, it probably explains better that I can.
[03:04] <sahak> how can I prevent synaptics from asking me system administrator's password each time I launch it?
[03:05] <rebecca_> if I use the livecd method do I have to chroot and all that stuff
[03:05] <arand> rebecca_: I think 9.10 will do just as well, yes chroot is probably the best way, but it is not overly complicated.
[03:05] <bbordwell> sahak, The only way to do that would to be to run as root, which you should never due. It is on purpose for security reasons
[03:06] <rebecca_> ok
[03:06] <rebecca_> I will do some digging
[03:07] <arand> rebecca_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD it's detailed here, section 3.
[03:07] <bbordwell> s/due/do
[03:08] <rebecca_> thanks arand
[03:09] <arand> rebecca_: I would follow the chroot instructions but skip the mounting of /usr, thus using the grub utilities from your current install rather than from the liveCD (I'm not actually sure if it makes a difference, installing .97 or .98 version of grub, but just to be sure).
[03:10] <rebecca_> ok
[03:14] <sahak> bbordwell, thanks for the answer. but this password prompt is worse than Windows UAC prompts, because those you can at least disable.
[03:15] <bbordwell> sahak, http://www.osnews.com/story/23088/64_of_MS_Vulnerabilities_Mitigated_by_Removing_Admin_Rights
[03:16] <bbordwell> sahak, linux uses a model that makes no one an administrator, it is one of the reasons it is considered secure
[03:17] <sahak> bbordwell, asking administrator's password every time one wants to launch a program is not a sign of security. it is poor design. If I authenticate once, then I clearly know the password, asking me the same password 100 times does not make it secure. it makes software more annoying.
[03:18] <sahak> PolicyKit was supposed to solve this poor security choices of asking root password all the time, but I guess they did not bother to implement policykit for synaptics
[03:19] <bbordwell> sahak, those vulnerabilites in that article happen AFTER windows asks you for your login psswd
[03:20] <sahak> bbordwell, I have a gPhone, and I installed hundreds of apps on that phone. That phone is secure. But if it asked a password prompt every time I wanted to install a new program, nobody would use it. To be a secure platform, you don't have to ask root password all the time.
[03:24] <bbordwell> sahak, I am not a security expert but most major viruses need administrator access to run, Windows adopted a similar policy with the pop ups in vista requiring at least some user interaction. I am sure they would not do this without reason.
[03:27] <arand> sahak: It is simply the way GNU/Linux, and hence Ubuntu, works. It is not likely to change, and most people seem to think it's a good design, including me. If you want things differently you might have to start developing the alternative yourself ;)
[03:27] <leagris> rebecca_, did you try editing sudoers with a line like %admin ALL=NOEXEC: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /usr/bin/update-manager
[03:28] <kjele> sahak: fedora let normal user to install without password. The only thing that is needed is the package has to be signed. You think that is great?
[03:28] <arand> leagris: wrong user I think...
[03:28] <arand> kjele: Wasn't that removed in final release?
[03:29] <leagris> sahak, did you try editing sudoers with a line like %admin ALL=NOEXEC: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /usr/bin/update-manager
[03:29] <kjele> arand: It says so in the final release note.
[03:29] <rebecca_> leagris, no
[03:30] <kjele> arand: It is subject to discussion
[03:30] <sahak> arand, this is not how Linux works. PolicyKit (which is part of Linux) does not work that way.
[03:30] <rebecca_> just finished grabbing the lucid livecd about to try recovery
[03:30] <sahak> kjele, yes I think Fedora's policy made a lot more sense.
[03:31] <leagris> sahak, not tested though. In theory if syntax correct this would allow members of the admin group to use synaptic or update-manager without entering a password
[03:32] <sahak> arand, most people don't think that Linux security design is "a good design". In fact it is awfully insecure. That is why a lot of work is underway (SELinux, PolicyKit,...) to fix the broken Linux security (root or nothing) security model.
[03:33] <sahak> leagris, thanks for the sudoers tip
[03:34] <arand> sahak: Hmm, fair point, I got the wrong impression of your argument, sorry.
[03:37] <sahak> Android OS is more secure than Linux. Yet it lets you install software without entering any passwords.
[03:37] <bbordwell> sahak, Android is linux right?
[03:37] <sahak> bbordwell, yes it is Linux, but it uses a different security model.
[03:40] <jmcantrell> the us english spell checking is missing from empathy. what's going on?
[03:42] <randomusr> how is one to log in to Swat if the root account is disabled?
[03:42] <randomusr> this is about lame
[03:43] <yofel> randomusr: what's swat?
[03:43] <randomusr> samba web administration tool
[03:43] <randomusr> it
[03:43] <randomusr> it's web based and maps the admin user to the local root account
[03:43] <yofel> you can't run it as 'sudo ...' ?
[03:43] <randomusr> not so much
[03:44] <yofel> ah, hm
[03:44] <randomusr> this isn't an issue for cups as it mapped to my user account
[03:45] <arand> randomusr: or simulate a root login by "sudo -i" (don't know much about swat, I'm afraid)?
[03:45] <yofel> yeah, but you can't run sudo from firefoox
[03:45] <randomusr> aranexactly
[03:45] <randomusr> exactly even
[03:45] <randomusr> so now on to the real question.... how to enable root
[03:46] <yofel> well, as long as you know the risk you can enable the root account
[03:46] <randomusr> no I'm slow
[03:46] <yofel> that should be as easy as getting into a root shell with sudo -i and setting a new root password
[03:47] <happyface> I can connect to my wifi and get a dhcp address, but can't connect to anything or even ping my router (but can connect to open networks)
[03:47] <arand> !root
[03:47] <randomusr> yea yea yes
[03:48] <arand> randomusr: The link there details how to do it ↑↑
[03:48] <randomusr> Done already
[03:49] <randomusr> arand: maybe someone could describe this subtlety about swat and possibly webmin as I believe that they both map to root
[03:50] <randomusr> users cold easily configure their setup and then disable the root account again
[03:52] <arand> randomusr: Ubuntu is meant to never require enabling root, and I don't know how it's meant to work is it doesn't properly with "recommended" methods. Also, it may be a simple matter of swat being deprecated and ignored, thus no work is done to simplyfy it's usage.
[03:53] <Leif> I've been typing up a document in Ubuntu's version of Open office, and all of the sudden, all of the Open Office Math segmants were broken.  Comming up saying "Object N" where N is increasing...
[03:53] <Leif> Has anyone had this problem, and more importantly, how can I get it to work again.
[03:53] <randomusr> arand, then what about webmin? that's a current tool
[03:53] <Leif> Also, going back to old copies of the document in 10.04 doesn't seem to be helping.
[03:53] <yofel> arand: it might just be that they don't hold it important enough to make it compatible to the ubuntu non-root policy, fedora etc. all have a root login
[03:54] <arand> randomusr: Again, I have no experience with those tools, so I'm afraid I really have no idea.
[03:54] <Leif> Also, how can I prevent this from happening again?
[03:55] <benkay86> Booting lucid x86 server hangs at (when booting without "quiet): "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...\nDone."
[03:55] <benkay86> It seems a lot of people have had this problem, but for different reasons.
[03:55] <benkay86> Is there a way to get some more verbose boot output that might help diagnose the underlying issue?
[03:55] <yofel> benkay86: sure, use --verbose or --debug instead of quiet
[03:56] <yofel> that will make upstart talk a bit more
[03:56] <arand> Leif: I have not seen the problem, nor know how to recover, but as for avoiding it happening again, write a really good bug so that it can be triaged and patched quickly, all I can say I'm afraid.
[03:58]  * arand seems to only be able to give ultra-generic advice at the moment
[03:58] <Leif> arand: Darn it, okay.  The only problem, I have no idea how to replicate it...
[03:58] <benkay86> yofel: Excellent idea. Let me do that on a serial console so that I can scroll through the output.
[03:58] <Leif> It just, sort of, happened.
[04:00] <Berzerker> does there exist an RSS reader that syncs (I mean syncs, not import) with google reader?
[04:02] <arand> Leif: screenshots, description of workflow, "apport-cli --pid=#####" of the funked-up process... *might* be releavant.
[04:03] <Leif> arand: Okay, thank you.
[04:07] <benkay86> yofel: And here we go: http://pastebin.com/PQDzJXFw
[04:08] <benkay86> Something about a broken pipe, but I still don't know which init task is causing it.
[04:09] <yofel> I'm guessing here, but thinking of how many issues we had in the near past, it could be mountall messing something up. We have issues with boot stopping on wrong fstab lines or just on regular fsck runs...
[04:10] <benkay86> yofel: It's a fresh install... anyway, an issue with mountall sounds plausible. Any tips on how I might fix it myself?
[04:10] <benkay86> yofel: Or, if I file a bug, would you happen to know what package I should file against?
[04:12] <arand> Leif: is Bug #501030 your bug (absolutely no help there, but at least confirm-able).
[04:13] <yofel> I'm not sure how to fix it, you could try if you get a console with sysrq+i (should kill the stuck mountall process), or try to use init=/bin/bash in the grub kernel line to get a root shell and then checking your fstab, but like I said, I'm guessing here
[04:13] <yofel> about the package, I would file it against mountall, it will be reassigned if it's wrong
[04:13] <Berzerker> yofel: do you know of anything?
[04:13] <Leif> arand: Other than I'm using 10.04, rather than 9.10, yup.
[04:13] <Berzerker> yofel: RSS reader that syncs with google reader
[04:13] <arand> Leif: Maybe more info: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18461
[04:13] <Leif> Let me confrim it...
[04:14] <arand> Leif: it may be an old but seldomly re-occuring bug..
[04:14] <yofel> Berzerker: not really, I once searched for one too, but I think I found one that had imcomplete sync support and it was dropped from others :/
[04:14] <Leif> Oh, and I'm also using 3.2, rather than 3.0 and 3.1
[04:14] <Berzerker> yofel: the closest thing I found was liferea that just imported
[04:15] <arand> Leif: and maybe as well: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=100230
[04:15] <JohnFlux> do other people find that firefox crashes all the time?
[04:16] <Berzerker> it hasn't crashed once for me
[04:16] <JohnFlux> Berzerker: thanks
[04:16] <Berzerker> lol np
[04:16] <arand> Leif: arch report mentions 3.2.0.9
[04:17] <yofel> for me neither, but I have heard that it likes to crash in some setups. Can't remember how that looked like though
[04:17] <Leif> Hmm...that's also a good description of the problem.
[04:19] <Berzerker> yofel: I think I'm just an idiot
[04:19] <Berzerker> yofel: liferea appears to sync with google reader
[04:19] <EruditeHermit> is there a workaround for the dependency cycle bug when upgrading?
[04:32] <Some_Person> My audio breaks after Suspend
[04:38] <crimsun> Some_Person: how so?
[04:38] <Some_Person> crimsun: nothing plays
[04:38] <benkay86> yofel: Tada! Bug #556184
[04:39] <crimsun> Some_Person: that's still quite vague. Do you mean that literally apps hang, or do you mean that apps appear to be playing audio but the audio is inaudible?
[04:41]  * benkay86 Has a quiz in 8 hours 20 minutes, going to bed!
[04:41] <Some_Person> apps appear to be playing but nothing is audible
[04:41] <mawst> How might I go about changing the window icons to the right side instead of the new left side in lucid?
[04:41] <Some_Person> A reboot is needed to restore
[04:42] <crimsun> Some_Person: reproduce the symptom and use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[04:43]  * arand dislikes unverbose changelogs..
[04:46] <SecretofMana> mawst:  http://ftbeowulf.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/ubuntu-10-04-window-controls/
[04:47] <SecretofMana> There's no "easy" option, it seems; you have to use gconf-editor
[04:48] <Some_Person> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4d132d671da42409c216a5cc34309687572fa502
[04:49] <arand> mawst: Either choose another theme, hack gconf, or install modified theme from PPA.
[04:49] <mawst> heh well gconf is easy enough.
[04:49] <mawst> Thanks SecretofMana
[04:49] <Some_Person> mawst: Are you saying you want the old button positions? If so, the PPA is closed. Just use gconf
[04:50] <mawst> And thanks arand for helping me recover my install (I was on as rebecca earlier).
[04:50] <mawst> I'm all set with the buttons now Some_Person
[04:50] <mawst> Did the gconf thing
[04:51] <arand> mawst: Glad to help :)
[04:53] <crimsun> Some_Person: err, the option that you need isn't enabled
[04:55] <Some_Person> crimsun: Is this related to the problem I had when I first had lucid installed on a flash drive?
[04:56] <arand> Some_Person: Hmm, so the theme-dependency introduced broke your packages?
[04:56] <Some_Person> arand: The what?
[04:56] <crimsun> Some_Person: bug 538918, which I fixed, yes
[04:57] <crimsun> Some_Person: it landed in 2.6.32.11 and will be merged into Ubuntu's kernel source shortly.
[04:57] <Some_Person> So should I add "options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1" to alsa-base.conf again?
[04:57] <crimsun> Some_Person: it seems rather smart to do so if you want audible sound
[04:57] <Some_Person> This is an upgraded karmic install (unlike the clean install under which I reported that bug), and sound seems to work until you suspend
[04:58] <Some_Person> I've been using it this way for weeks
[04:58] <arand> Some_Person: That was why you removed the PPA?
[04:58] <Some_Person> arand: I removed it because there's no point any more. The only reason I made it was the graphical flaw when moving the buttons, which was fixed in the main package
[04:59] <arand> Some_Person: Ah, fair enough, I though you partly had it to move them back as well..
[04:59] <Some_Person> arand: I did, but gconf does that just as well
[04:59] <crimsun> Some_Person: but, something you should check is that 'Speaker' is set to 0%
[05:00] <crimsun> Some_Person: -48.00 dB, rather, which, unless you have bat hearing, is rather ... quiet.
[05:01] <Some_Person> crimsun: I don't even know what that so-called "Speaker" is. The "Headphone" control seems to control both my speakers and my headphones (depending on whether or not headphones are plugged in)
[05:02] <crimsun> Some_Person: see your Connector dropdown in GNOME sound preferences > output
[05:02] <Some_Person> "Analog Output"
[05:02] <crimsun> Some_Person: which other option(s) do you have?
[05:03] <crimsun> (you should have 2)
[05:03] <Some_Person> "Analog Headphones" or "Analog Speakers"
[05:03] <crimsun> right, so which ones do you want to use, headphones or speakers?
[05:03] <Some_Person> I use both depending on what I'm doing
[05:03] <Semitones> hey there
[05:03] <Some_Person> The way it works now is that if I want to use the speakers, I yank out the headphone plug
[05:03] <crimsun> right, but in this case, I don't think it's a bug at all
[05:04] <crimsun> I think it's because the mixer is set to -48.00 dB
[05:04] <Some_Person> I tried turning it up, and still no sound right now
[05:04] <Some_Person> (in alsamixer)
[05:04] <crimsun> is it set to Analog Speakers?
[05:04] <Some_Person> It's currently set to "analog output"
[05:04] <crimsun> set it to Analog Speakers
[05:04] <Semitones> Could any of you help me test why my videocard is not working very well? I get 0.3 fps in etracer.
[05:04] <Some_Person> Remember, on a cold boot, this setup *does* work
[05:05] <crimsun> Some_Person: that's a separate bug
[05:05] <rshakin> hey whats the kernel build in current ubuntu lucid
[05:05] <rshakin> *version
[05:05] <Some_Person> crimsun: nope, still no sound
[05:05] <Semitones> lspci: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 A-LE] (rev a1)
[05:05] <crimsun> rshakin: 2.6.32.10-based with DRM from 2.6.33.1
[05:05] <crimsun> Some_Person: so add the parameter
[05:05] <crimsun> Some_Person: seriously, I expected you to test this before actually filing the bug...
[05:05] <Some_Person> What's the path to alsa-base.conf?
[05:08] <Some_Person> nevermind, found it
[05:09] <Some_Person> now should I reboot and try to reproduce?
[05:10] <Some_Person> crimsun: ^
[05:15] <Berzerker> yofel: yup, liferea syncs up with google reader
[05:15] <Berzerker> yofel: check it out if you're still interested
[05:16] <rshakin> hey is there any working going to be done on the rtl8111 ethernet chipset drivers cause they dont work there is a miss match of drivers from realtek and what the system determines
[05:19] <Some_Person> crimsun: Even after rebooting with the line in place, I am able to reproduce it
[05:20] <Some_Person> Somehow the suspend breaks the sound
[05:21] <Semitones> are there any known issues with nouveau
[05:21] <crimsun> Some_Person: then that's a linux issue in general and unrelated
[05:21] <crimsun> Some_Person: please follow up with linux
[05:22] <Some_Person> hang on, let me reboot to get my sound back
[05:23] <billy2007> hey guys does anyone know why my sound would just stop working after a reboot?? im using 10.04
[05:24] <Some_Person> considering that my screen looks like this though, I think sound is the least of my problems: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6386/0000121.jpg
[05:30] <voss749> 10.04 looks more stable at beta 1 than 9.10 looks now ;-)
[05:31] <Semitones> I need help troubleshooting my video card
[05:31] <Semitones> It gets very bad fps using nouveau - would that be called a regression?
[05:34] <robin0800> Semitones: there is no 3d support yet in the nouveau driver if thats what you mean
[05:35] <Semitones> robin0800, I guess that would explain it. I get ~200 frames /5s in glxgears
[05:35] <billy2007> whats the bot channe again?
[05:36] <billy2007> wrong room sorry
[05:36] <voss749> Does noveau replace the nvidia driver on upgrades?
[05:36] <Some_Person> Is there a way I can cut power to my laptop screen without stopping any processes, and maybe have a keystroke to turn the monitor back on?
[05:39] <billy2007> hey guys does anyone know why my sound would just stop working after a reboot?? im using 10.04
[05:39] <Berzerker> argh I'm so close lol
[05:43] <tiger2wander> hi there
[05:43] <DanaG> Some_Person: xset dpms force off
[05:43] <DanaG> but it'll only stay black until you move the mouse.
[05:43] <kn100> I have xubuntu Lucid, my ntfs drive mounts as it should with lucid, but I can't change the owner of the drive with nautilus
[05:43] <kn100> it just is stuck at root
[05:44] <kn100> so transmission can't download to it
[05:44] <tiger2wander> Is Lucid Lynx ready for video driver ATI Radeon HD3200?
[05:44] <Some_Person> DanaG: Thanks. That's perfect!
[05:44] <tiger2wander> I tried a few days ago but no luck :(
[05:45] <Some_Person> Now I don't have to close my laptop (not a good idea in this state)
[05:45] <DanaG> "formulas missing when file reopened 'cause MacOS automatically cleans tmp folder"
[05:45] <DanaG> lemme' reinterpret that...
[05:45] <DanaG> "formulas missing when file reopened cause MacOS automatically cleans tmp folder"
[05:45] <DanaG> ... broken grammar that way.
[05:47] <Semitones> voss749, this is a fresh install of lubuntu, so I can't say what normal graphic driver behavior is
[05:49] <maccam94> does anyone know why some programs like VLC refuse to show gvfs locations in the bookmarks sidebar?
[05:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/516825
[05:53] <Moc> isn't there was a Music folder by default in ubuntu ?
[05:53] <Moc> ha it just isn't in the quick access list
[05:55] <Moc> normal the ubuntu music store is in euro only ?
[06:04] <billy2007> hey guys does anyone know why my sound would just stop working after a reboot?? im using 10.04
[06:10] <billy2007> does ANYONE know why my sound would just stop working after a reboot?? im using 10.04
[06:13] <SwedeMike> billy2007: 6 minutes and 5 lines is WAY too short to time/lines to start repeating yourself.
[06:15] <billy2007> SwedeMike, no it aint people have joined since then
[06:16] <bbordwell> billy2007, have you looked at your alsamixer?
[06:17] <billy2007> i got it working now my speakers were off
[06:17] <billy2007> *hides in shame
[06:17] <bbordwell> haha^^
[06:17] <bbordwell> everyone does it sometimes...
[06:19] <timboy> why is my plymouth ugly?
[06:19] <bbordwell> timboy, ?
[06:19] <bbordwell> how exactly is it ugly?
[06:19] <maccam94> timboy: nvidia?
[06:20] <maccam94> if you're using binary drivers it probably won't look good
[06:20] <bbordwell> +1^^^
[06:20] <timboy> maccam94, nvidia on my laptop and ati on my desktop plymouth is ugly on both. (just moved to ati on desktop from nvidia had 10.04 before the upgrade)
[06:21] <timboy> ah both use binary drivers
[06:21] <maccam94> yeah that'd do it
[06:21] <timboy> is there a bug for this?
[06:21] <DanaG> I get no plymouth even with open-source ATI drivers.
[06:21] <DanaG> It just explicitly disables splash, since I happen to have a serial console.
[06:21] <bbordwell> timboy, no it is a limitation with the drivers
[06:21] <DanaG> That's stupid.
[06:21] <DanaG> It should show the splash on local, but not on serial console.
[06:22] <Berzerker> finally. finally. FINALLY got rhythmbox reporting to the G15 LCD
[06:22] <gatlin> hey arand, has anything more come up on plymouth issues regarding nforce and multiple monitors (we spoke some last week)
[06:22] <gatlin> I have been trying to keep up with development and mailing lists but it's all such a flood
[06:22] <bbordwell> gatlin, That was my bug report!
[06:22] <timboy> very dumb. definitely a step down visually
[06:22] <gatlin> bbordwell, you are my hero
[06:22] <gatlin> what exactly was in your report, because I'd love to second it
[06:22] <bbordwell> timboy, looks good on opensource drivers
[06:23] <gatlin> better yet, link me :P
[06:23] <arand> gatlin: Hmm, not that I know of specifically no...
[06:23] <bbordwell> gatlin, just a sec
[06:23] <timboy> bbordwell, if I go to open source drivers will it start working?
[06:23] <bbordwell> gatlin, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[06:23] <arand> But as it would seem, you've found the right person to talk to instead ;)
[06:23] <bbordwell> timboy, it should, but they are not as good
[06:24] <bbordwell> timboy, no 3d accel with open source nvidia, I am not sure about the open source ati driver but it should be a bit better
[06:24] <timboy> so i'm screwed either way...
[06:24] <gatlin> bbordwell, how can I not install plymouth but upgrade the rest of my karmic system?
[06:24] <bbordwell> gatlin, i would just upgrade, then remove plymouth
[06:24] <bisby> whats the package for the open source ati driver? and if my system keeps using fglxr and failing, how do i force it to use the open source one instead?
[06:25] <bbordwell> bisby, use jocky
[06:25] <bisby> bbordwell that works from the prompt right?
[06:25] <gatlin> ah, remove plymouth before rebooting?
[06:25] <bbordwell> bisby, system>administration>hardware drivers
[06:25] <timboy> does the open source ati driver actually save monitor configurations? currently binary ati amdcccle doesn't modify xorg...
[06:25] <gatlin> let us assume for a moment that I am a stupid man - is there any chance that because of dependencies that I won't be able to undo installing plymouth?
[06:26] <bbordwell> gatlin, it only has 2 deps
[06:26] <gatlin> cool.  I really appreciate the insight.
[06:26] <bisby> I cant see my screen. the fglxr doesnt load the window (and alt-control-F# doesnt work). my only option is to boot to recovery mode terminal... and aptitude is stuck trying to find fglxr whihc it cant
[06:26] <bbordwell> gatlin, hmm just a min
[06:27] <bbordwell> gatlin, they changed it, it seems that it is now more difficult to remove
[06:27] <gatlin> oy
[06:28] <ircrob> did a CLI install, only some small bug in motd
[06:28] <bbordwell> gatlin, you could use the text theme though?
[06:29] <gatlin> My issues were as follows: on your same platform, it does the purple Ubuntu screen with the moving dots ... forever.  5+ hours for me
[06:29] <bbordwell> gatlin, what happens if you do alt+sysrq+k
[06:29] <gatlin> honestly, I need to restart and try that
[06:29] <gatlin> what should that do?
[06:30] <bbordwell> gatlin, well it basicly kill various processes (including plymouth) and takes you to the login screen, you can use it now if you want, it will take you to the log in screen
[06:30] <gatlin> I always wondered when I'd get to use sysrq
[06:31] <gatlin> will get the live cd and try again, and report my findings.  If your ticket encompasses me, then I must know: is this something likely to be fixed before release?
[06:32] <bbordwell> gatlin, the dual monitor problem?
[06:32] <gatlin> yes
[06:32] <pepee> hi
[06:32] <pepee> I'm having this issue when I try to run a gnome app in KDE:
[06:32] <pepee> http://pastebin.com/jWhWYTtV
[06:32] <bbordwell> gatlin, well it is marked as medium and it is getting alot of heat, also one of the lead plymouth developers has looked at so i would hope so
[06:33] <gatlin> cool
[06:33] <gatlin> alright, brb
[06:33] <pepee> the error is only for that app, all other gnome apps are fine
[06:36] <mpontillo> pepee: maybe a dependency problem. image-missing.png exists in 3 packages on my system, humanity-icon-theme, oxygen-icon-theme, and gnome-icon-theme. are any of those installed on your system?
[06:37] <pepee> at least, gnome-icon-theme is installed
[06:37] <pepee> oxygen-icon-theme is there too
[06:40] <gatlin> bbordwell: I rebooted with a live image slightly newer than the beta 1, did alt + sysrq + k, and my two monitors are frozen on a black screen with the following writing:
[06:40] <gatlin> GLib-Warning: getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[06:40] <gatlin> or similar
[06:41] <bbordwell> gatlin, hmm unknown user id, maybe cuz the livecd has no user set up?
[06:41] <bbordwell> and alt+sysrq+k takes you to the login...
[06:42] <bbordwell> That is a bad deal
[06:42] <gatlin> I'm just afraid that I'll upgrade my existing install and then not be able to circumvent this
[06:42] <bbordwell> It worked for me when i tried it but that was pre-beta one
[06:42] <gatlin> alpha3 worked beautifully for me
[06:42] <gatlin> no bugs
[06:42] <gatlin> then I upgraded and ... no boot
[06:43] <bbordwell> gatlin, you could always unplug your second monitor.....
[06:43] <bbordwell> then after boot install the proprietary drivers and it will work
[06:43] <gatlin> I will experiment with that though I have tried before
[06:43] <gatlin> onward!
[06:43] <frewsxcv> can empathy connect to any windows webcam software?
[06:46] <gatlin> using only one monitor doesn't fix it, either
[06:46] <gatlin> number of monitors doesn't work.  AWESOME
[06:46] <bbordwell> gatlin, that is a different bug then
[06:47] <gatlin> sweet
[06:47] <bbordwell> gatlin, I was wondering because on mine the dots stop
[06:47] <gatlin> though if I upgrade, I already have the proprietary drivers installed
[06:47] <gatlin> ah, see, mine go on forever
[06:48] <Berzerker> anyone notice the background for the alltray apps is wrong?
[06:48] <Berzerker> it looks like it's using the old default theme and not adapting to ambiance
[06:48] <bbordwell> Berzerker, yep
[06:48] <Berzerker> any fix?
[06:48] <Berzerker> or any way to make evolution exit while staying open? :P
[06:48] <bbordwell> Berzerker, not that i know of
[06:48] <Berzerker> seems silly that it's the only app in the mail drop-down that doesn't do it
[06:49] <bbordwell> gatlin, I am not sure how, but have you tried booting with the no-splash option?
[06:49] <gatlin> I have not.  --boot=no-splash?
[06:49] <bbordwell> gatlin, looks right
[06:50] <gatlin> er, --boot=otherthings,blah,no-splash (to ensure I have the right syntax in mind)
[06:53] <bbordwell> gatlin, nosplash
[06:53] <bbordwell> --boot=nosplash
[06:53] <gatlin> I actually see, by itself with no --boot= in front of it, a "splash" option
[06:53] <gatlin> so I presume I should just modify that to say "nosplash"
[06:54] <mpontillo> pepee: hmm, I'm stretching here, but maybe you could try the following to see what it prints for you: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/409868/
[06:54] <bbordwell> gatlin, ya i guess thats what it says in the wiki
[06:54] <pepee> thanks mpontillo
[06:59] <pepee> mpontillo, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/409869/
[07:04] <Moc>  I've never seen as much crash report as in ubuntu 10.04 beta 1... but I never tried beta before
[07:05] <bbordwell> Moc, are you talking about apport bothering you?
[07:06] <Moc> bbordwell: well it doesn't bother me, the crash bother me alittle more hehe
[07:06] <Berzerker> is there like some test version of keyring I can install to fix the gwibber bug? :P
[07:06] <Moc> Berzerker: the 100% cpu usage bug ?
[07:06] <Berzerker> yeah
[07:07] <Moc> I keep killing the service every time I boot
[07:07] <bbordwell> Moc, well sometimes those come up with no visable effect, happens in other releases as well i would assumme, but they disable the apport notifications for final releases
[07:08] <DanaG> for me, ubuntuone is what hammers my cpu at login.
[07:09] <Moc> I'm not sure how in 20 days they can make this beta usable...  unless they don't push the package for the fixes and will get a RC out with most of the bugs I'm having fixed
[07:10] <Moc> 2 bug that been there for a few release.  Language switch both-ALT doesn't work.  Also the Alt-Shift-Tab doesn't work by default either
[07:13] <Moc> Rympth title in proprety is too small
[07:13] <Moc> will show only the first 48 caractere
[07:13] <pepee> mpontillo, backtrace: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/409874/
[07:13] <Moc> anyway, I wish I had a direct simple line to report bugs and gettings fixed..
[07:15] <demonspork> Moc, that is the incentive that got me to start learning to program,  so that rather than just reporting bugs and hoping that they get fixed, I could actually fix them myself
[07:15] <mpontillo> pepee: thanks, I'm looking at the code to try to figure out how this can happen. it first calls gdk_screen_get_default() and uses that to call gtk_icon_theme_get_for_screen(), then calls gtk_icon_theme_load_icon() specifying the theme and icon name. there is no error checking on the first two calls, so it's hard to tell where it's going wrong
[07:20] <pepee> mpontillo, this is an old version, and my machine has been upgraded, IIRC, since jaunty
[07:21] <pepee> * old version of gupnp, it seems like no one has updated it in the repos
[07:21] <pepee> ahh, nah, my bad, it is the latest version
[07:22] <mpontillo> pepee: oh okay, I was going to suggest building the latest from source but never mind
[07:22] <pepee> anyway, thanks for your help
[07:23] <mpontillo> pepee: no prob; you should file a bug in launchpad if there isn't one already
[07:23] <pepee> ok, thanks
[07:24] <Moc> demonspork: I fix ennuf bugs in differnents projects
[07:24] <Moc> demonspork: got like 38 patch waiting to be applied in freeswitch, about 3 in scribus
[07:25] <demonspork> ah
[07:25] <Moc> scribus people are very quick though
[07:25] <Moc> freeswitch, well they are overloaded
[07:25] <Moc> and all near a burn out hehe, amazing voip switch though
[07:25] <Moc> most of my patch are feature enhancement
[07:27] <Moc> I wish there were some kind of universal commit access.
[07:27] <letterman> so what's the general consensus on the new beta?
[07:27] <Moc> so I could commit fixed for any project I find bug in
[07:27] <Moc> letterman: work in progress
[07:27] <letterman> Moc: The very definition of the word Beta I see :)
[07:29] <Moc> I'm running it for 2 days, and it work, but alot of stupid little problems
[07:30] <letterman> ok, I'm having a bunch of stupid problems getting it installed so there's no sunshine at the end of the tunnel I guess
[07:30] <Moc> havent had issues installing it
[07:30] <DarkwingLaptop> letterman: what issues and what verity?
[07:30] <Moc> gwibber is extreamly bugg
[07:31] <DanaG> y
[07:31] <DanaG> yeah, for me, it doesn't even open.
[07:32] <DanaG> It tries to interpret my font size (8.5) as an int... and dies.
[07:32] <letterman> in one instance it exited after a long wait at it couldn't create a ramfs
[07:33] <letterman> in this instance, it's just stuck at a blank screen
[07:33] <Moc> I must say the initial boot of the install cd was very long
[07:33] <letterman> either time, I couldn't get past from the ubuntu . . . . screen to the first installer screen
[07:33] <Moc> only reason I knew everything was still working, was the CD reading
[07:33] <Moc> letterman: yea, let it go
[07:33] <Moc> took over 10min on my end, you see the cd keep reading
[07:34] <Moc> I was about to give up when I saw the drive was reading data
[07:35] <letterman> well I'm going to catch up on my morning emails and have breakfast and if it's still a black screen when I'm done I think I'm going to stick in my 9 cd
[07:35] <Moc> letterman: usb install might be faster..
[07:36] <hellyeah> two problems here
[07:37] <hellyeah> yofel, are you there
[07:37] <Moc> thunderbird firefox integration doesn't exist
[07:37] <hellyeah> in the live session nvidia-xconfig works but after installation it doesnt work in fact there is no package nvidia-xconfig
[07:38] <hellyeah> trying to isntall nvidia driver, breaks X
[07:38] <Moc> hellyeah: got the nvidia stuff installed no problem
[07:38] <hellyeah> i saw only black screen
[07:38] <Moc> the nvidia-xconfig get installed automaticly when you install the closed source drivers using the default ubuntu notify
[07:39] <Moc> the default Xorg.conf even work fine
[07:39] <Moc> the Fn key on my laptop doesn't work though
[07:39] <hellyeah> why i see black screen after making X -configure
[07:42] <hellyeah> i cant find unofficial guide for ubuntu lucid
[07:42] <hellyeah> why it doesnt exist yet
[07:43] <Moc> hellyeah: it install natively using the restricted driver stuff
[07:43] <hellyeah> i know
[07:43] <hellyeah> i install using restricted hardware on desktop
[07:43] <hellyeah> jockey
[07:43] <Moc> that worked fine for key
[07:44] <Moc> me
[07:44] <hellyeah> itt doesnt work for me
[07:44] <hellyeah> normally it give installation failed when i reboot system. System is opened with low graphical mode
[07:44] <Moc> hellyeah: atless it work for someone
[07:45] <hellyeah> :D:D:D
[07:45] <hellyeah> it doesnt mean so much thing to me
[07:45] <hellyeah> :X
[07:45] <hellyeah> where is the whole ubuntu lucid repo list
[07:45] <Moc> well I got my own problems ;)
[07:46] <hellyeah> what is that :D
[07:46] <letterman> uhmm.. I think my computer has gone into standby
[07:46] <letterman> lol
[07:46] <hellyeah> :S
[07:46] <letterman> the video was gone, I pressed space and it's back to a blank screen
[07:47] <letterman> but at least we get signal
[07:47] <hellyeah> i want to ue broffice.org
[07:47] <letterman> I just want the main screen turn on
[07:47] <hellyeah> but ubuntu install software that i dont want to use
[07:48] <bisby> once i got fglrx out of the way, how do i make it use the open source one?
[07:48] <hellyeah> it must be possible to select software when you install ubuntu
[07:49] <randomusr> anyone know why Remote desktop client performance would be slow despite being on the local network?
[07:55] <chandru_in> For quite sometime the boot splash screen has a smudged look
[07:55] <chandru_in> is this a known issue which would be fixed in updates before release?
[07:58] <bbordwell>  chandru_in, are you using the nvidia proprietary drivers?
[07:58] <chandru_in> bbordwell: yup
[07:58] <chandru_in> From ubuntu's repos not from nVidia site
[07:58] <bbordwell> chandru_in, It is a limitation with the driver so no it will not be fixed
[07:58] <chandru_in> oh ok
[07:59] <chandru_in> Just out of interest is there any place I can read up abt the exact issue?
[07:59] <bbordwell> chandru_in, If you do not require 3d acceleration you can use nouveau and it will work then
[07:59] <chandru_in> I don't want to miss the compiz just for the boot screen which goes off in few secs :)
[08:01] <bbordwell> chandru_in, I am not sure whre you can read about it, but basicly the driver has to support KMS to do the pretty plymouth boot screen, this is what all open source drivers are moving to but the proprietary ones so far are not
[08:03] <chandru_in> bbordwell: I'm planning to install Lucid on a bunch of Intel GPU laptops doesn't this issue occur with Intel drivers?
[08:03] <bbordwell> chandru_in, Should work with intel
[08:04] <chandru_in> Thanks for the clarification bbordwell
[08:07] <Moc> got about 14 comments about beta 1
[08:11] <randomusr> anyone know why Remote desktop client performance would be slow despite being on the local network?
[08:12] <blue102> what is plymouth for I just did a update on lucid
[08:12] <null> !info plymouth
[08:13] <null> guess not...
[08:13] <null> !info irssi
[08:14] <blue102> is it worthwile having ?
[08:14] <bbordwell> blue102, It is just the splash screen at boot
[08:14] <bbordwell> blue102, I think they made it rather difficult to remove a few updates ago
[08:15] <blue102> can do without that
[08:16] <blue102> what does xfce4 stand for may be a stupid question but hey I'm an oldy
[08:16] <randomusr> is it normal for the system to check filesystem often?
[08:17] <letterman> how do I zoom in or change the screen resolution from the graphic installer?
[08:17] <letterman> is tehre some kind of accessibility options?
[08:17] <letterman> I can't read the text it is way too tiny.. on a 50" HDTV
[08:17] <Moc> letterman: Win+scroll  I think
[08:18] <blue102> under settings
[08:18] <Moc> letterman: working off my 46" monitor rightnow
[08:18] <randomusr> how can I allow ssh from a windows machine?
[08:18] <letterman> where's settings? I can't read anything but I'm at the drive partitioning screen and I can't do a damn thing
[08:18] <blue102> applications
[08:19] <letterman> oh man, I'm not in a desktop environment
[08:19] <letterman> I'm in the 9.10 installer
[08:19] <blue102> sorry
[08:20] <letterman> so there's nothing in 9.10 for that?
[08:20] <Moc> letterman, you can change font size
[08:20] <letterman> how?
[08:20] <Moc> you can also zoom in using win key + scroll in xgl I thino
[08:20] <Moc> or win key and numbers
[08:21] <letterman> by scroll you mean pgup pgdn or up and down arrow?
[08:21] <Moc> letterman: it just zoom a section of your screen
[08:21] <Moc> System->Preferences->Apparence->Fonts
[08:21] <letterman> I don't have a menu
[08:22] <letterman> it's a blue background and a window
[08:22] <letterman> that is asking me to partition one of my 4 drives
[08:22] <letterman> and if I pick the wrong one that's 1.5 TB of data lost
[08:22] <Moc> well get closer to the screen
[08:22] <blue102> trickey
[08:22] <letterman> dude I am face to face with it
[08:22] <letterman> the text is literally 2mm high
[08:23] <Moc> well no idea, work fine on my screen
[08:23] <blue102> could you start again with a other monitor
[08:24] <Moc> letterman: ha you know what..
[08:24] <Moc> letterman: check the remote of your hd monitor, and play with the aspect ratio
[08:24] <Moc> P.Size on my Samsung
[08:24] <blue102> thats a good idea
[08:25] <Moc> by default, I lose part of my screen
[08:25] <letterman> new monitor no improvement
[08:25] <letterman> I just pulled out a 24" widescreen and it's still tiny
[08:25] <blue102> no resolution changes
[08:25] <letterman> nope
[08:25] <Moc> letterman: you rebooted ?
[08:25] <letterman> no I just switched monitors
[08:26] <blue102> you have to reboot I believe
[08:26] <letterman> wait, let me try not using hdmi
[08:26] <Moc> might push a higher rez than supported by your scren
[08:26] <Moc> letterman: I use DVI but converted to hdmi to my screen
[08:26] <blue102> could be the card as well
[08:26] <Moc> I've pretty much finish my personal wiki of 10.04 issue list hehe
[08:27] <Moc> 19 issue
[08:27] <blue102> not bad for beta 1
[08:27] <Moc> those are the quick one I saw
[08:29] <letterman> well, this is embarassing
[08:29] <letterman> I apparently no longer own a vga cable
[08:29] <Moc> lol
[08:29] <letterman> I had a half a dozen of them two months ago when I was cleaning out my office
[08:30] <Moc> letterman: windex sometime help to make letter more readable ;)
[08:30] <letterman> and I SWEAR I ket one
[08:30] <letterman> *kept
[08:30] <Moc> We need in ubuntu an contact integration like we have in Android
[08:31] <Moc> would need a huge collaboration work to get it to link with thunderbird, empathy, gwibber and evolution
[08:32] <Moc> I'm waiting for a dual screen docking station for my nexus one ;)
[08:32] <randomusr> why is it that root can log in via ssh, but the regular user can't?
[08:32] <Moc> randomusr: ???
[08:33] <randomusr> using Putty from a windows machine
[08:33] <Moc> randomusr: unless you set a password to root, you can't ssh login directly to it
[08:33] <randomusr> Moc, My root user can log in after I enabled it of course
[08:33] <randomusr> why can't the regular user log in?
[08:33] <letterman> why can you ssh as root?
[08:34] <letterman> that should be disabled
[08:34] <Moc> I just ssh in with my user
[08:34] <randomusr> my user can't ssh... why?
[08:34] <Moc> randomusr: not sure, work here
[08:34] <randomusr> hmm
[08:34] <randomusr> lame
[08:34] <Moc> do you have auto login enabled for your user
[08:34] <Moc> and you forgot your user password
[08:35] <randomusr> likely no
[08:35] <randomusr> I know my password though
[08:35] <letterman> randomusr make sure the user has a password, a valid home path, and a valid login environment
[08:35] <randomusr> letterman, all that is confirmed
[08:35] <letterman> then I'm stumped unless you've added additional restrictions on ssh logins
[08:36] <randomusr> none that I'm aware of
[08:36] <letterman> what does your log tell you?
[08:37] <randomusr> hmm, well I don't know where to look for the log. Right now I'm just messing around. Where is it located?
[08:37] <letterman> you're using 10 beta?
[08:37] <randomusr> ya
[08:38] <randomusr> is that it?
[08:38] <letterman> I haven't used it yet.. but typically it's under /var/log
[08:39] <randomusr> what's the name of the log?
[08:39] <Moc> randomusr: check a few of them
[08:39] <randomusr> lol
[08:40] <randomusr> ok
[08:40] <Moc> you can check the date of the file modified right after you try to login
[08:41] <Moc> any one had problem with 9.10 also that when you try to select the top bar of a window and move, it select the window under
[08:42] <Moc> might occur more often when using 2 monitor
[08:43] <randomusr> crap, nothing
[08:47] <randomusr> I'm not sure that logging is enabled for anything
[08:48] <blue102> I can ssh as user as wel
[08:48] <randomusr> blue102, can or can't?
[08:48] <blue102> can
[08:48] <Gene> the new ubuntu 10.04 won't play a harry potter movie for candi, it says that it doesn't have the needed plugins,  suggestions?
[08:49] <randomusr> Gene, ffmpeg?
[08:49] <Gene> normal harry potter dvd
[08:49] <Gene> factory made
[08:49] <randomusr> hmm
[08:49] <Gene> hd probably
[08:49] <Gene> movie player
[08:49] <randomusr> it's beta software?
[08:49] <Gene> i guess, 10.04
[08:49] <randomusr> ya
[08:50] <Ryan1> Can someone tell me why my laptop takes over a minute to boot? Bootchart: http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5119/laptoplucid201004061.png
[08:50] <Ryan1> Also, I never see the splash screen
[08:51] <Moc> Ryan1: sweet, how did you made that output ?
[08:51] <Ryan1> apt-get install bootchart
[08:51] <Ryan1> Then reboot and look in /var/log/bootchart/
[08:52] <Moc> brb
[08:53] <blue102> thanks Ryan1
[08:53] <blue102> installing it now
[08:54] <Moc> 16.09second here
[08:55] <Ryan1> I note there are a few sleep processes near the end of my bootchart
[08:56] <Ryan1> And also preload has high CPU or disk usage
[08:56] <Moc> Ryan1: tmp/mochouinard-laptop-lucid-20100406-1.png
[08:56] <Moc> http://64.235.217.39/tmp/mochouinard-laptop-lucid-20100406-1.png
[08:56] <Moc> if you want to compare
[08:57] <Ryan1> Hmm, my I/O wait is through the roof compared to yours
[08:57] <Moc> Ryan1: I/O wait will kill your box yes
[08:58] <Moc> Ryan1: how much ram ?
[08:59] <Ryan1> 1GB
[08:59] <Ryan1> It's booted on Karmic in about 20 seconds before
[08:59] <Moc> running in IDE compability mode or something
[09:00] <joppan> bugs beta 1 lucid lynx
[09:01] <blue102> compaq armada e 500 laptop 340 meg ram 1.12 min.
[09:01] <Moc> 147MB/sec on my side... SSD at it best
[09:01] <hpnc6400> hi can anybody help me with a power management issue
[09:05] <randomusr> meh, access denied for user ssh login using putty... what gives?
[09:08] <Gene> the new ubuntu 10.04 won't play a harry potter movie for candi, it says that it doesn't have the needed plugins,  suggestions?
[09:08] <blue102> try vlc
[09:09] <blue102> media player
[09:10] <Moc> vlc should be the default player in my view
[09:11] <Gene> will try
[09:11] <blue102> its not really I had to download it as well
[09:11] <blue102> and all is sweet
[09:16] <om26er> flash vides leave fullscreen when notfy-osd shows did this problem exist in karmic?
[09:19] <randomusr> found the issue with my logging in with ssh. apparently it don't like the number pad
[09:20] <blue102> there you go
[09:20] <randomusr> I can log in using the standard numbers..... that's dumb
[09:20] <blue102> it is probably has to do with ascii codes
[09:21] <randomusr> it's still dumb
[09:21] <randomusr> retarded even
[09:21] <blue102> ha ha aha
[09:21] <blue102> nevermind it is solved
[09:21] <randomusr> they have a fix for other known issues, why wouldn't that be included?
[09:21] <randomusr> lol\
[09:22] <blue102> tell them
[09:22] <randomusr> good point
[09:22] <randomusr> piece out I need a nap
[09:22] <blue102> ok have to go CU l8ter
[09:29] <Mike1> good Morning!
[09:30] <Mike1> How can I add applets to my gnome-panel? With Lucid (UNE) I somehow see no way to customize it anymore
[09:31] <om26er> Mike1, you cant, logout and select gnome session in the session and make it like netbook session. I am searching that link wait
[09:31] <pepee> I need to know if a gnome app is running fine in kubuntu lucid
[09:32] <pepee> I just need someone to install: gupnp-tools   and then run: gupnp-universal-cp
[09:32] <om26er> Mike1, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuNetbookEdition/ConvertGnomeSession
[09:34] <Mike1> om26er: What the heck? Why did those <insert swearword here> break it?!
[09:35] <Mike1> I got only one session to chose in GDM
[09:35] <Mike1> they speak of three there oO
[09:36] <shabgard> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550040
[09:37] <kklimonda|G1> shabgard: did it work in 9.10?
[09:37] <shabgard> no
[09:44] <shabgard> i'm waiting
[09:48] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, is fglrx working properly for you? I had to extract a driver and copy all files of /etc into my rootdirectory
[09:49] <PolitikerNEU> Using Radeon HD 3850
[09:51] <jackhigh> PolitikerNEU: after alot of messing i got mine to install ok using yesterdays daily build a fresh install jockey just installed it and i just did aticonfig --initial
[09:51] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, I tried that too but then I got: /etc/ati/control missing
[09:51] <PolitikerNEU> and if I just copy this, many other necessary files are missing
[09:52] <Mike1> is there a way to get rid of the damn envelope-icon in the indicator applet?
[09:52] <shabgard> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550040
[09:52] <jackhigh> that happened to me too but when i did the reinstall it worked ok
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> so I copied the whol /etc-directory of fglrx, then it worked
[09:52] <jackhigh> no idea why tho
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> I tried a reinstall too, didn't help
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> hmm
[09:52] <jackhigh> very strange
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> do you mean reinstalling the driver or the whole system?
[09:52] <shabgard> pls get me answer
[09:52] <jackhigh> the whole system i used yesterdays daily build
[09:53] <PolitikerNEU> ah, ok, I just reinstalled the driver
[09:53] <PolitikerNEU> maybe I should reinstall the system when the final version is out
[09:53] <geekphreak> hello all
[09:53] <geekphreak> anyone else getting rookit warning on new ubuntu?
[09:53] <jackhigh> yea i prolly will too
[09:54] <PolitikerNEU> I didn't know something like "rootkit checking" even exists in ubuntu (so: no)
[09:54] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU:  apt-get install rkhunter
[09:55] <PolitikerNEU> do I have to reboot then?
[09:55] <geekphreak> when i ran rkhunter scan, it says i got a rootkit
[09:55] <geekphreak> no you dont have to reboot
[09:55] <PolitikerNEU> ok, will try that as soon as I have installed it
[09:55] <geekphreak> just update rkhunter, after install, then run scan
[09:55] <geekphreak> it takes 2/3 minutes
[09:55] <jackhigh> im not important or paranoid enuff to scan for rootkits :)
[09:55] <geekphreak> lol ok
[09:56] <geekphreak> jackhigh: agreed, but why take a chance :)
[09:56] <jackhigh> if someone wants to root my puter be my guest ill they will get is my porn stash :)
[09:57] <PolitikerNEU> sudo rkhunter update
[09:57] <PolitikerNEU> Invalid option specified: update
[09:57] <geekphreak> jackhigh: lol
[09:57] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU: sudo rkhunter --update
[09:57] <PolitikerNEU> sudo rkhunter --update
[09:57] <PolitikerNEU> Unable to find configuration file: /usr/local/etc/rkhunter.conf
[09:57] <geekphreak> lol
[09:57] <geekphreak> works here :)
[09:58] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... I got dependency problems
[09:58] <PolitikerNEU> useradd: /etc/shadow konnte nicht gesperrt werden; versuchen Sie es später noch einmal. (useradd: /etc/shadow could not be locked; try it again later)
[09:59] <geekphreak> is that german?
[09:59] <PolitikerNEU> I head a reboot is said to work, but it didn't (yes, it is german)
[09:59] <PolitikerNEU> *heard
[09:59] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU: try this , if u do ls /etc see rkhunter.conf there?
[09:59] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU: it aint windows :)
[09:59] <PolitikerNEU> ls /etc/rkhunter*
[10:00] <PolitikerNEU> /etc/rkhunter.conf.dpkg-new
[10:00] <Mike1> geekphreak: but it’s getting closer and closer to windows
[10:00] <geekphreak> lol
[10:00] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU: well you can use rkhunter --configfile /path/configfile --update
[10:01] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU:  but i wont worry bout it
[10:01] <PolitikerNEU> well - I just did a sudo /etc/rkhunter.conf.dpkg-new /etc/rkhunter.conf :-)
[10:01] <geekphreak> that did not throw error?
[10:01] <PolitikerNEU> no
[10:01] <geekphreak> hmm
[10:01] <PolitikerNEU> it didn't
[10:02] <geekphreak> ok :)
[10:02] <geekphreak> normallly sudo is follwed by command :)
[10:02] <PolitikerNEU> oh
[10:02] <PolitikerNEU> sudo mv ...
[10:02] <PolitikerNEU> I copied it by hand :-)
[10:02] <geekphreak> np
[10:03] <PolitikerNEU> I get a warning for prerequisites
[10:03] <geekphreak> did you run an update?
[10:03] <PolitikerNEU> yeah
[10:04] <PolitikerNEU>     Checking for possible rootkit strings                    [ Warning ]
[10:04] <geekphreak> yes
[10:04] <geekphreak> thats what i get
[10:04] <PolitikerNEU> I'll pastebin the log
[10:05] <PolitikerNEU> http://pastebin.com/sbusRnv0
[10:06] <geekphreak> it thorws a warning for hidden files and rookit warning
[10:07] <geekphreak> ok so i am not the only one
[10:07] <PolitikerNEU> ok - so chances might be it is a bogus (?) warning
[10:07] <geekphreak> PolitikerNEU: prob. a bug
[10:07] <geekphreak> other scan comes ok
[10:07] <PolitikerNEU> yeah
[10:08] <PolitikerNEU> (and bogus seems to be the wrong word, sorry)
[10:08] <geekphreak> its all good, thansk again mate :)
[10:08] <geekphreak> Mike1: in some ways yes
[10:09] <geekphreak> Mike1:  i know its streching a bit, but new ubuntu actually gave me feeling of mac :)
[10:10] <red> hmmh, I just booted up and a lot of icons from my panel are missing but there "invisibly", my chrome theme had reset and the bookmark bar fonts are not from system font anymore
[10:10] <red> theme reset aswell
[10:10] <PolitikerNEU> yeah, thats what MS wants
[10:10] <m44miri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550040
[10:10] <PolitikerNEU> but actually I don't like mac
[10:11] <m44miri> i'm waiting for answer
[10:17] <Mike1> geekphreak: the “why can I not change this crap?!”-experience gives me a feeling of Windows
[10:18] <m44miri> OK
[10:19] <m44miri> ,I didn't gove noting answer
[10:21] <m44miri> is this problem  able fix?
[10:21] <geekphreak> Mike1: heh
[10:26] <m44miri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550040
[10:28] <blue102> how does one setup vnc
[10:28] <m44miri> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/550040
[10:28] <kklimonda|G1> m44miri: if you are not getting an answer that's because no one knows it
[10:28] <kklimonda|G1> m44miri: flooding channel with the bug link and description doesn't help
[10:29] <geekphreak> blah got disconnected
[10:29] <m44miri> Really Cheers
[10:30] <hceylan> hello there, is there a way to disable plymouth in lucid as it has problems with the latest kernel and nvidia blob installed systems
[10:30] <blue102> uninstall it
[10:32] <hceylan> blue102: it has hell a lot of packages dependent on it, that will remove a lot including X
[10:32] <blue102> oh boy am I pleased i did not install it
[10:33] <hceylan> can you do a "dpkg --list | grep -i plymouth" for me pls
[10:35] <blue102> I see what you mean
[10:37] <hceylan> did it produce anything?
[10:37] <blue102> it gave me a lot of files
[10:38] <blue102> 8 I Think
[10:38] <hceylan> I thought so... It is installed by default but as it is broken with the lastes kernel you just don't see it working
[10:39] <blue102> oh I see
[10:39] <hceylan> Do you notice sth like "plymouth main process killed by KILL signal" during the boot
[10:39] <blue102> I dont use a splash screen
[10:41] <hceylan> sorry was disconnected, did you post anything?
[10:42] <blue102> no
[10:42] <blue102> I just typed apt-get remove plymouth
[10:42] <blue102> a lot of files
[10:42] <blue102> I said NO
[10:42] <hceylan> OK, thx for your time...
[10:42] <blue102> ok
[10:43] <hceylan> Anyone experiencing lock up during initrd with the lates kernel as well?
[10:52] <Rods_Tiger> is there anything funny occurring with the startup applications in gnome in lucid? There's a line that used to work fine in 9.10 that doesn't any more.
[10:53] <kklimonda|G1> that question is too vague
[10:56] <BadElvis> i have the lucid lynx beta, how can i enable this gnome-desktop-overview-zoom-out feature?
[11:01] <Emry> I have a question.  If the wallet does not come up like right away and get a password right away, then the couche-db client crashes.  Is there a bug report for this already?
[11:07] <Emry> rebooting
[11:12] <blue102> is there a chat program with webcam in lucid like msn live
[11:13] <blue102> I want to chat with fam in nl
[11:16] <blue102> ok no one knows cheers
[11:17] <coc0nut> Hi. Has anyone else come across Python 3.1 issue 3770 on Lucid?
[11:20] <Ian_Corne> aaaand, i'm back in safe grafiscs mode :(
[11:33] <Ian_Corne> anyone know why, when I'm using the radeon driver
[11:33] <Ian_Corne> libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/lib/fglrx/dri/tls/r600_dri.so
[11:33] <Ian_Corne> comes up?
[11:40] <Ian_Corne> aha https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/552903
[11:44] <red> any ideas - my chromium isn't suddenly respecting system font size? theme had reset aswell
[11:44] <red> just reapplied theme from google themes fixed that, but bookmark bar text still is like 12px even tho sysfont is 8px
[11:45] <red> oh and extensions disappeared :p
[11:48] <Emry> Hmmm....  Upgrading to beta apparently uninstalls the sun JRE... But none of the apps that need Java really work without it. ^^;;
[11:49] <maxb> Emry: You may find the Sun JDK in the 'partner' repository in lucid
[11:50] <Emry> Ah, it is easy to install, I just find the fact that it is no longer the default kind of interesting. hehehehe :)
[11:51] <Emry> I came across the issue when trying to run eclipse. hehehe ^_^
[11:51] <maxb> I expect it's all about making people opt-in to closed source software
[11:51] <Ascavasaion> I can view shared on my old Windows machine, but cannot view the Linux machine via Samba.  I can ping the Linux machine.  any ideas?
[11:52] <kklimonda|G1> Emry: eclipse should work with openjdk actually - it does here
[11:52] <Emry> :P I may need to just reinstall the eclipse package then. ^^;
[11:54] <Ascavasaion> I know what it is... firewall.  what are the Ports I need to open for SMB connections from Windows machines?
[11:55] <Emry> Hmmm.  default-jdk and default-jre are not super intuitive names. :P
[11:55]  * Emry is guessing that those are openjdk ^^;;
[11:56] <Ian_Corne> sun-java-6
[11:56] <Emry> I think my Eclipse install is just hosed. ^^;
[11:57] <joppan> WELCOME ALL
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> Hello..
[11:58] <joppan> anyone testing 10.04 BETA1
[11:59] <Ian_Corne> I'd think almost everyone is
[11:59] <Ian_Corne> Who's in here
[11:59] <joppan> Ian_Corne i was just welcoming that is all
[12:00] <Ian_Corne> But it is wierd that you welcome me, while i've been here and you only just entered
[12:00] <Emry> :) Ok...  Removed my .eclipse folder, and that did the trick.
[12:05] <joppan> CAN SOMBODY SAY about update-rc.d and invoke-rd.d
[12:05] <yofel> !caps | joppan
[12:06] <kklimonda|G1> joppan: say what?
[12:07] <Rods_Tiger> I had "feh" in my startup applications in 9.10 but the same line doesn't work any more in Lucid - has startup applications changed in any way that might affect this?
[12:07] <yofel> joppan: if you come from hardy and it doesn't behave the way you expected blame upstart
[12:08] <joppan> kklimonda|G1 hi i wanted to know about what is update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d executeable and what is their purpose
[12:09] <yofel> joppan: read the manpage?
[12:09] <joppan> ubottu okay kutta
[12:10] <joppan> yofel okay ..can u tell me about bash specail characters
[12:10] <BUGa_vacations> morning
[12:11] <yofel> hey BUGa_vacations
[12:11] <joppan> yofel hey yofel
[12:12] <BUGa_vacations> yofel: put me up to date! everything calm ?
[12:12] <yofel> BUGa_vacations: can't say, I got to my PC a minute before you joined ;P
[12:13] <BUGa_vacations> ahahaha
[12:13] <fabio333> not ubuntu related .... but google has changed
[12:13] <aoupi> hi, is there any way to have empathy prompt for password and not remember them?
[12:30] <waschtl> Hi all ...
[12:31] <waschtl> I've been getting the impression that ubuntu isn't as concerned about the server platform as it once was.
[12:32] <bazhang> waschtl, have a support issue? or just wish to chit chat
[12:32] <waschtl> bazhang: I'm trying to get a feel for where ubuntu is going
[12:32] <waschtl> bazhang: because we use it in our server environment quite extensively.
[12:32] <bazhang> waschtl, such meta-discussions belong in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:33] <waschtl> bazhang: ah -- I'll go there, thanks.
[12:37] <rye> has anybody got such condition that when you start dragging one window completely different one starts dragging instead?
[12:37] <rye> and another thing, anybody got lucid running in lxc ?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> lxc ?
[12:40] <rye> linux containers
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> an answer that dosent clarify anything. :)
[12:42] <rye> Dr_Willis, I believe it is something like Chroot Jails in FreeBSD. Or something that will replace OpenVZ, since lxc support is already in mainline kernel
[12:42] <rye> well, it is there, but I am not really sure that my debootstrapped rootfs can be booted...
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> debootstrap - fancy :)
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> one of the many things i never want to be forced into using
[12:45] <rye> I was all for UML until I tried to compile things under that, KVM seems to be much much much faster. And lxc is using host kernel for execution, so basically it is native performance
[12:45] <rye> when I get it to actually perform at least something
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Off to test Jolicloud on my netbook. :)
[12:47] <rye> hmmm lxc_start - '/sbin/init' started with pid '15306' - maybe it IS starting...
[12:59] <vinylfreak89> i just upgraded my copy of Karmic to
[12:59] <vinylfreak89> Lucid and now when I open an ssh i get this error
[12:59] <vinylfreak89> /usr/bin/byobu-janitor: 63: cannot create /root/.byobu/color: Read-only file system
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> sounds like you ran byobu as root when you shouldent have.
[12:59] <vinylfreak89> i've tried changing the permissions and I get the same error
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> or the fs is some how getting mounted read only...
[12:59] <vinylfreak89> also my VNC no longer auto starts
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> check the output of mount see how / is mounted
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> read only fs can cause all sorts of issues.
[13:01] <vinylfreak89> whats a good pastebin or here?
[13:01] <vinylfreak89> *for
[13:01] <yofel> !paste
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> thank ya
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/409994/
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> says its rw
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> but at the same time it says its read only
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> wtf???
[13:02] <vinylfreak89> i will note
[13:03] <vinylfreak89> this is a softraid1 filesystem
[13:03] <vinylfreak89> (thank my stupid DC)
[13:03] <vinylfreak89> and i remember reading something about lucid having issues with raid1
[13:04] <coc0nut> Python 3.1 multiprocessing seems to crap itself in Lucid...
[13:04] <yofel> vinylfreak89: and as mount says at the end, mtab may be out of date, so it might be read only after ll
[13:04] <vinylfreak89> haha
[13:04] <vinylfreak89> ok so how do i fix this
[13:04] <vinylfreak89> lol
[13:04] <yofel> vinylfreak89: ok, can you check the output of 'dmesg' if you had any filesystem errors?
[13:05] <vinylfreak89> thanks for your help btw guys
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> step 2 perhaps reboot live cd.. and  fsck thefilesystem.
[13:05] <yofel> it seems as it was writable once but then remounted ro
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> step 1 - check dmesg like suggested. :0
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> if filesystem errors/issues are found it kicks in a RO mode for safty
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> sort of a handy feature.. but it would be nice if there was some sort of alert/notice about it doingit.
[13:06] <yofel> indeed
[13:07] <vinylfreak89> i just tried to dump dmsg to file
[13:07] <vinylfreak89> then i remembered.... read only filesystem... loool
[13:07] <yofel> heh
[13:15] <vinylfreak89> sorry for the delay
[13:15] <vinylfreak89> heres my dmesg output
[13:15] <vinylfreak89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/409999/
[13:17] <yofel> odd, it seams to recover the journal, cleaning up and trying to remount the fs RW, but then "VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly."
[13:17] <vinylfreak89> :(
[13:18] <vinylfreak89> yofel are u a dev?
[13:18] <yofel> vinylfreak89: nope, but I had my share of file system issues in the past...
[13:18] <vinylfreak89> thanks for your help btw
[13:18] <vinylfreak89> :)
[13:18] <vinylfreak89> so any ideas
[13:18] <vinylfreak89> or should i submit a bug report?
[13:18] <yofel> you should try to fsck the filesystem from a live disk
[13:19] <vinylfreak89> fsck -l right?
[13:19] <vinylfreak89> on /
[13:19] <yofel> fsck.ext3 on / yes, can't remember what flags you need anymore though
[13:20] <vinylfreak89> lol
[13:20] <nathanbrauer> AH!  I just installed updates to my computer, restarted, and now my computer won't boot! It won't even load GRUB. It won't even boot off a CD!
[13:20] <vinylfreak89> time to wait for my fricken DC to switch to vKVM mode
[13:20] <vinylfreak89> heh
[13:21] <yofel> nathanbrauer: o.O? not even from a cd? did that cd boot before?
[13:21] <nathanbrauer> Yes, it's the same CD I used to install Ubuntu in the first place
[13:23] <vinylfreak89> u know it might help just slightly if i hit reboot
[13:23] <nathanbrauer> vinylfreak89, if you're talking to me, I've tried rebooting a few times to no avail
[13:24] <vinylfreak89> nope talking to myself
[13:24] <nathanbrauer> k
[13:24] <nathanbrauer> I'm about to ram my head in a concrete wall...
[13:24] <vinylfreak89> its early in the morning... im aloud :P
[13:24] <vinylfreak89> whats wrong dude
[13:24] <yofel> vinylfreak89: not sure, as you have that message at least twice in your kernel log, it might fail again. Rather try to fsck it by hand
[13:24] <vinylfreak89> yofel: ok
[13:25] <nathanbrauer> vinylfreak89, I just installed updates to my computer, restarted, and now my computer won't boot! It won't load GRUB and it won't even boot off a CD.
[13:25] <vinylfreak89> does the bios screen load?
[13:25] <vinylfreak89> grub aside
[13:25] <nathanbrauer> yes
[13:25] <vinylfreak89> and if u manually seelct boot from CD does that work/
[13:25] <nathanbrauer> And there's disk activity going on
[13:25] <nathanbrauer> let me try
[13:27] <vinylfreak89> k
[13:28] <nathanbrauer> vinylfreak89, seems my boot sequance got mixed up.  I don't know why though, I never changed it and I'm the only one who uses it.  I can boot from CD now, but grub still won't load
[13:28] <vinylfreak89> ok reboot using the live cd
[13:28] <vinylfreak89> and reconfigure ur grub
[13:28] <vinylfreak89> maybe the mbr got screwed
[13:28] <mawst> Any nvidia guide for lucid?
[13:30] <nathanbrauer> vinylfreak89, got it working.  How the h*** did my boot sequence get changed??  Does the OS have access to that?!
[13:30] <yofel> it shouldn't ...
[13:30] <vinylfreak89> no... did u do a bios update?
[13:30] <nathanbrauer> nope i didn't.
[13:30] <vinylfreak89> glad to hear its working
[13:31] <nathanbrauer> And I've never had my boot sequence changed ever without going into bios myself.
[13:31] <nathanbrauer> vinylfreak89, thanks a ton
[13:31] <vinylfreak89> welcome
[13:31] <vinylfreak89> any time
[13:31] <vinylfreak89> that is rather perpleing tho
[13:31] <nathanbrauer> that scared the crap out of me.
[13:31] <nathanbrauer> welcome back Oxymoron
[13:31] <nathanbrauer> is coz_ here?
[13:32] <yofel> mawst: try to install the recommended driver from hardware drivers, and come back if it fails, we're having some issues with that at the moment
[13:32] <nathanbrauer> mawst, what problem are you having?
[13:32] <mawst> glx is loaded according to /var/log/Xorg.0.log but I can't get glxgears open.
[13:32] <yofel> not again...
[13:33] <mawst> Error: glXCreateContext failed
[13:33] <Oxymoron> nathanbrauer: Thanks :)
[13:33] <nathanbrauer> @_@ ya, that's way above my head....sorry! haha  I had some issues with nvidia but not that complex....
[13:33] <coc0nut> glxgears works ok for me..
[13:33] <yofel> mawst: what does glxinfo | grep render say?
[13:33] <coc0nut> Using Intel though
[13:34] <Oxymoron> How to change back from low graphics mode to high graphicns mode?
[13:34] <mawst> yofel: Error: glXCreateContext failed (the same)
[13:34] <yofel> coc0nut: the nvidia driver seems to mess up the opengl configuration in some rare cases, don't ask me why
[13:34] <yofel> mawst: ok...
[13:35] <avis> crimsun on amd64 now and all is working well with your ppa including 8788 chipset card
[13:35] <mawst> I did a reinstall of the drivers when I first got into lucid because things weren't working.
[13:35] <avis> hi mawst
[13:35] <mawst> Hello avis
[13:35] <avis> what drivers might that be ?
[13:36] <avis> i'd like to help if i can
[13:36] <yofel> mawst: are all libGL* symlinks in /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ correct?
[13:36] <yofel> avis: nvidia
[13:36] <yofel> Error: glXCreateContext failed
[13:36] <yofel> when trying to open glxgears or glxinfo
[13:37] <mawst> They look like the 195 version
[13:37] <yofel> mawst: and no one of the is broken? ok
[13:37] <avis> i could not get the restricted drivers to be applied until i made changes to by boot grub entry.  i was trying to find a solution, and i don't have a url, i imagine at this point such issues might be resolved.  mawst have you considered reinstalling from todays daily build ?
[13:37] <yofel> mawst: where does /etc/alternatives/gl_conf point to?
[13:38] <mawst> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410009/
[13:38] <yofel> that seems ok
[13:38] <mawst> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2010-04-05 20:06 /etc/alternatives/gl_conf -> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[13:39] <avis> are the restricted nvidia (recommended drivers) working under amd64 without any tweaking ?
[13:39] <bjsnider> for me they are
[13:39] <avis> thanks bjsnider
[13:39] <mawst> Interesting
[13:39] <yofel> mawst: and where does /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf point to?
[13:39] <mawst> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf -> /etc/alternatives/gl_conf
[13:40] <yofel> bjsnider: do you have an idea what might cause Error: glXCreateContext failed ? broken opengl setup?
[13:40] <bjsnider> broken alternatives certainly would
[13:40] <avis> at what point will official nvidia installers be able to be applied to lucid ?  safe to say around the final release date ?
[13:40] <bjsnider> never
[13:40] <yofel> mawst: that seems fine too...
[13:40] <bjsnider> that has been disabled permanently
[13:41] <avis> oh wow bjsnider i'm sorry nvidia would do such a thing
[13:41] <bjsnider> nvidia hasn't done it
[13:41] <bjsnider> the nvidia-installer is not compatible with the xorg/mesa system in lucid
[13:42] <yofel> mawst: can you try to run 'sudo ldconfig' maybe and try glxgears again?
[13:42] <avis> and they wont make one that will be ? :/
[13:42] <bjsnider> if you are able to install it you're going to bork your system
[13:42] <avis> bjsnider, i wont take my chances
[13:42] <mawst> sure yofel  sec
[13:42] <mawst> Yep no luck.
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> If a program crashes but apport won't report it, what can I do?
[13:43] <coc0nut> Launchpad bug report?
[13:44] <mawst> Maybe something in my xorg.conf is conflicting
[13:44] <yofel> mawst: if you have the default nvidia setup it should only contain the section that tells X to use the nvidia driver
[13:45] <bjsnider> avis, the nvidia-installer's strategy has always been a scorched-earth attempt to overwrite anything that gets in its way, in an effort to replace mesa, so it was never a good option
[13:45] <bjsnider> not that mesa doesn't deserve to be replaced
[13:45] <avis> i just installed nvidia (recommended) on a fresh daily build of lucid and it while there is a restart indicator it told me there was a error in /var/log/jockey.log.  i'll reboot anyway, and hope its ok to ignore the error.  http://pastebin.com/zGe5YtEh
[13:45] <avis> bjsnider, i understand now
[13:45] <mawst> yofel: right well I'm not sure. I came from 9.10 so... I'm not sure if anything carried over or what
[13:45] <yofel> Ian_Corne: you could try to file a bug on launchpad directly, but please try to get a backtrace of the crash then
[13:45] <yofel> !backtrace | Ian_Corne
[13:46] <yofel> mawst: it should work fine, odd thing is I remember someone having the same issue a while ago...
[13:46] <avis> mawst, best results are always had on a fresh install.  i recommend the daily live build, for less updating, and more things working as is
[13:47] <yofel> mawst: maybe try to completely remove the nvidia driver, reboot, install it again, reboot again
[13:47] <mawst> bjsnider: any chance I could get you to pastebin your module section for me?
[13:47] <avis> i will reboot despite my pastebin.com jocket.log i can't really make sense of it
[13:47] <mawst> I may have to try that yofel
[13:47] <bjsnider> avis, it's safe to reboot
[13:47] <bjsnider> mawst, module section of what?
[13:48] <mawst> xorg.conf
[13:48] <bjsnider> just let jockey create that file and you'll be fine
[13:48] <avis> thank you
[13:52] <mawst> :/
[13:52] <avis> nvidia working fine despite jockey.log error
[13:53] <jason_> I did the updates recently and now my lenovo laptop mouse is broken?
[13:53] <jason_> any external mouse works fine though
[13:53] <avis> i tried to use getlibs-all.deb to install the dependancies needed to run amazonmp3.com downloader.  i'm not sure why, but it seems to kill itself
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:00] <platius> BluesKaj,   #ubuntu-texan
[14:02] <BluesKaj> platius, howdy isn't texan , it's everywhere, don't believe everything you see in the movies :)
[14:02] <bjsnider> avis, are you there?
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj:  but everything IS bigger in Texas :)
[14:02] <platius> BluesKaj,   hot-dang, you all are right
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, not as big as Ontario :)
[14:03] <avis> yes bjorn
[14:03] <avis> oops
[14:03] <avis> sorry bjsnider
[14:03] <avis> Texans will kill you in your sleep on christmas eve
[14:03] <bjsnider> avis run this command: update-alternatives --display gl_conf
[14:04] <avis> ok.  one sec
[14:04] <jason_> whats the link to reporting bugs in lucid?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Ontario can swallow up texas and oklahoma without a trace
[14:04] <Nece228> anobody resolved the issue that evince forgets that i disabled sidebar
[14:04] <avis> bjsnider, i should make a note of that, is that to avoid the problems when the nvidia installed ?
[14:04] <Nece228> is there something in gconf?
[14:05] <bjsnider> avis, no
[14:05] <avis> what i just do ? :)
[14:06] <avis> bjsnider, thank you for whatever you just fixed
[14:06] <bjsnider> avis, also run ldconfig -p | grep GL
[14:07] <avis> amazonmp3.deb was not a success with getlibs installed and fetching missing dependancies
[14:07] <bjsnider> take the result of both commands and pastebin them please
[14:07] <shadeslayer> hi i want to have 2 entries in my grub menu : 1> Ubuntu+nouveau drivers and 2> Ubuntu+nvidia drivers : is this possible?
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> shadeslayer:  proberly not.
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> unless you somehow did some scriping to check the arguments and use one or the other via some scripts yourself
[14:08] <avis> bjsnider happen to know the syntax to get pastebinit to report the results of those two commands ?
[14:09] <subchee> hello
[14:09] <subchee> is here somebody who's using acerhk module on Lucid (i386)?
[14:09] <yofel> avis: command | pastebinit
[14:09] <avis> i tried a pipe after the first one you had me try but it seems to have stalled and not return me to bash
[14:09] <avis> ooh ok got it backwards
[14:09] <avis> thank you
[14:10] <avis> bjsnider, first command http://pastebin.com/eEYhGfWz
[14:10] <bjsnider> can you put them both into the same pastebin please
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Dr_Willis: :P
[14:11] <avis> bjsnider, here is my update-alternatives http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=DBwReQAV
[14:11] <avis> oh same pastebin  ok
[14:14] <ignatius> heh!
[14:14] <ignatius> What's the apt-get install to install the nvidia driver?
[14:14] <Guest72984> I removed and rebooted now I can't use synaptic
[14:15] <avis> bjsnider, here you go all in one http://pastebin.com/GQJrDeJz
[14:15] <avis> you can do that through admistration
[14:15] <avis> hardware drivers its called
[14:16] <xerophyte> how can i install firefox java pluin in 10.04?
[14:17] <xerophyte> when i do this  apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
[14:17] <xerophyte> i get packages not found
[14:17] <yofel> mawst: if you need the command line it's apt-get install nvidia-current, but you'll have to create the xorg.conf yourself
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> xerophyte:  i think sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras will pull in the proper java.
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> but i forget the exact package name.
[14:18] <mawst> hmm ok
[14:18] <BluesKaj>  Grub2 lists 3 old kernels that I'd like to delete from the list but synaptic doesn't list them and using the cli to remove them doesn't work either , any suggestions ?
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search java    perhaps. - i think it has icedtea in the name
[14:18] <mawst> I did that (installed current) must have to recreate the xorg.conf
[14:18] <yofel> mawst: or run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[14:18] <yofel> mawst: but that creates a xorg.conf with a lot of redundant and sometimes  wrong settings
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> my nvidia machines can run with no xorg.conf
[14:18] <Dr_Willis> but if i wnt to use twinview - the nvidia-settings tool makes one.
[14:19] <avis> does anyone have an older deb of amazonmp3.deb (amazon mp3 downloader)
[14:19] <conb123> So does lucid not support Radeon HD 5xxx cards yet? At the moment my 5750 won't go past 1360x768
[14:20] <mawst> That did the trick.
[14:20] <mawst> Got working glxgears now
[14:20] <mawst> Thanks all
[14:20] <Michalxo> hello guys! Can anyone on firefox 3.6.3 (oficial) test this video for me? http://tv.sme.sk/v/14736/dlhodoby-test-peugeot-308-sw-po-roku.html
[14:20] <Michalxo> or any from this server. I get no audio from it
[14:20] <Ian_Corne> tryuing it Michalxo
[14:20] <avis> anyone have a preference in terms of screen rendering between nvidia and ATI ?  i know ati has had its own issues that often have taken time to be fixed.
[14:20] <xerophyte> Dr_Willis: thanks that worked
[14:20] <Ian_Corne> Can't really understand the sit tho
[14:21] <bjsnider> avis, are you kidding me?
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> Vo vasom prehliadaci chýba
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> flash player, ktorý treba k prehratiu videa
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> kliknite a nainstalujte si ho
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> Cítajte viac: http://tv.sme.sk/v/14736/dlhodoby-test-peugeot-308-sw-po-roku.html#ixzz0kKGvGioG
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> what does that mean?
[14:21] <avis> bjsnider, i don't claim to know it all :)
[14:21] <willyg_cos> BluesKaj - sudo apt-get autoclean  or sudo apt-get autoremove ??
[14:21] <Michalxo> Ian_Corne you don't have flashplayer :-)
[14:21] <bjsnider> ati isn't even in the game
[14:21] <avis> nvidia ok thats nice to know
[14:21] <Korcia> I have audio in that video
[14:22] <Michalxo> damn :-/
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> But I do :p
[14:22] <Michalxo> Korcia what is your firefox please? and flash
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> or I don't?
[14:22] <Michalxo> Ian_Corne try youtube =)
[14:22] <Ian_Corne> I get sound in chrome
[14:22] <avis> what future nvidia technologies will be utilized for flash video in this release and in the future ?
[14:22] <Korcia> my firefox es 3.6.3
[14:22] <conb123> So does anyone know if there are any drivers for ATI Radeon HD 5750 cards in Lucid yet?
[14:22] <willyg_cos> BluesKaj - or, on rereading the question, maybe update-grub or update-grub2 ???
[14:22] <Michalxo> on other vids, I have no problems at all, but on this server it's crazy :-( dunno where is a bug
[14:22] <avis> i've had a hang up about flash ever since i had a underpowered mac.
[14:23] <Korcia> the system is lucid
[14:23] <Korcia> lucid 64
[14:23] <Michalxo> Korcia please, about:plugins in firefox
[14:23] <Michalxo>     Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45 _
[14:24] <Michalxo> ?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> willyg_cos, nope, tried all those commands , for some reason grub.cfg lists the kernels , but the package managers and apt /aptitude don't see them
[14:24] <Korcia> ok, I'tell you right now
[14:24] <Michalxo> BluesKaj try dpkg -l |grep linux
[14:25] <Korcia> shockwave flash 10.0 r45
[14:25] <Michalxo> Korcia thanks ;-(
[14:26] <willyg_cos> BluesKaj - was grub.cfg edited manually ???
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, what about it , it just the kernels in use
[14:27] <Michalxo> BluesKaj no, it's a list of all installed kernels ;-)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> i'm trying rid grub of kernels that are longer of any use
[14:27] <Michalxo> BluesKaj yeah I do the same.. remove all linux-image-xx (unwanted(
[14:28] <Michalxo> some linux-headers
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, sry wrong choice of words in use = installed
[14:28] <Michalxo> probably you would have to use dpkg -r instead of aptitude remove
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, did you read my question ?
[14:29] <conb123> Are radeon hd 5xxx cards supported in lucid?
[14:29] <Michalxo> BluesKaj yes, and that is the way ;-) to remove all kernels you don't want ;-)
[14:29] <Michalxo> after that, you will do sudo update-grub or update-grub2
[14:29] <genii> BluesKaj: Even after you do something like autoremove old kernels, need to run the grub update utility
[14:30] <BluesKaj> yeah i did
[14:30] <Michalxo> BluesKaj so you should be fine then
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, update-grub still lists the old kernels even after trying to edit grub.cfg
[14:31] <Michalxo> you DON"T edit grub.cfg!!!
[14:31] <Michalxo> remove kernels via apt or dpkg
[14:32] <Michalxo> you are using GRUB2 not grub-legacy
[14:32] <Michalxo> !grub2
[14:32] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: hi
[14:33] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: yofel: kklimonda|G1: bjsnider: is there any wiki that lets us follow on the current state of which drivers work for which GPU?
[14:33] <yofel> that would be interesting indeed
[14:34] <BluesKaj> apt doesn't remove the old kernels .... Michalxo , i won't repeat it again ...I wish ppl would read my question more thoroughly
[14:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: autoremove won't remove them, you have to tell apt to remove them
[14:35] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, apt does remove the old kernels from the list, but you need to explicitely remove the kernel packages
[14:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, i did
[14:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: and apt-cache policy lists the images as installed or not?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, ok explain the explicitly the comand that will work
[14:36] <Michalxo> BluesKaj please, show us the command you've used to "remove" you kernel(s)
[14:36] <BUGabundo> doesn't apt remove old kernels above 3 versions??
[14:36] <joaopinto> check for installed images with: dpkg -l linux-image | grep ^ii
[14:36] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, not that I am aware off
[14:36] <robin0800> Michalxo: you can use ubuntu tweak to do that if you wish
[14:37] <Michalxo> robin0800 we're helping BluesKaj ;-)
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-tweak is handy
[14:37] <BluesKaj> Michalxo, sudo aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.32-16-generic linux-image-2.6.32-11-generic linux-image-2.6.31-9-rt linux-image-2.6.32-17-generic
[14:37] <yofel> BUGabundo: aptitude lists them as obsolete then, but doesn't remove them
[14:37] <BUGabundo> ahh
[14:37] <BUGabundo> computer janitor for the win then !
[14:37] <Dr_Willis> That computer-janitor used to clean them out.. but ive had it clean outthekernels i was using also....
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> so computer-janitor for the potential BIG FAIL.
[14:38] <BUGabundo> Dr_Willis: in use?? that's insane
[14:38] <joaopinto> and its ugly :P
[14:38] <BUGabundo> when was that?
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> BUGabundo:  its proberly been fixed.. I hope...
[14:38] <BUGabundo> I know it was buggy to cycles ago
[14:38] <BUGabundo> much better last cycle
[14:38] <Michalxo> I have to run BluesKaj that command looks very OK. Try sudo update-grub now :-/ 31-9 and 32-16 should be removed by now :-/
[14:38] <BUGabundo> and super nice in the current
[14:38] <BUGabundo> so nice, I doesn't remove anything
[14:38] <Dr_Willis> Its also an annoying app - it has a lot of other issues. :)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, the package manager synaptic , doesn't list the kernels that I'm trying delete
[14:39] <Dr_Willis> its defaulting here to select/clean out ALL the stuff ive installed by hand..  thats.. not a good default
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> its also suggesting kenrnel -16, -17 and -18 it seems
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> at least it dident suggest -19 :)
[14:41] <BUGabundo> Dr_Willis: it's a clean tool. if it doesn't remove anything, then its useless
[14:41] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: manyally delete it from the disk ? :p
[14:41] <Dr_Willis> Its wanting to remove stuff i am using right now.. :)
[14:41] <Michalxo> BluesKaj try removing via sudo dpkg -r linux-image-xx
[14:42] <Dr_Willis> I really should catagorize things better.
[14:42] <SandGorgon> does anybody know how to debug ubiquity - do I have to pass "debug=" flag to the boot parameters of the livecd and then run "ubiquity -d".. I am not clear on this part
[14:42] <Michalxo> or aptitude purge linux-... BluesKaj now I am really off
[14:42] <Michalxo> later guys
[14:51] <markl_> where does Network Manager store its info?  I'm trying to import my network settings (wpa2 in particular) from a 9.10 install and I'm not having any luck
[14:51] <markl_> it seems that some is in .gconf, some is in .gnome2/keyrings, and some I haven't been able to find yet.
[14:51] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Not sure.. i havent really noticed if kde's network manager and the ubuntu one both share settings either..
[14:52] <markl_> and a more inflammatory question, why did they give up on the brilliant /etc/network/interfaces file?  that was so easy
[14:52] <markl_> probably off topic :)
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> so they can easially support a larger varity of networks i imagine.
[14:52] <Dr_Willis> and ya gotto have user friendly interfaces for evyerhting these days
[14:53] <markl_> user friendly interface is fine but it should store its info in the standard /etc/network/interfaces format.  oh well, no changing it now
[14:54] <markl_> ok another lucid question - anyone here successfully running it on an apple xserve?
[14:54] <markl_> i have a nice one with dual quad core xeons that is gathering dust bunnies
[14:55] <markl_> i couldn't get it to work with the last ubuntu releases due to kernel panics on the scsi controller
[14:55] <markl_> but i'm wondering if i boot from a flash drive it i could make it work
[14:59] <avis> here is a amazonmp3.deb alternative for those who are into music it written in python an doesn't seem to mind that i'm running amd64.  it ran just fine http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/pymazon-amazon-mp3-download-replacement.html
[14:59] <avis> i could not get amazonmp3.deb to run under any circumstances, getlibs, repo, just couldn't get it to work
[15:08] <NoelJB> crimsun, you around?
[15:12] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: don't ask. just leave your question and idle around, and he will reply to you when he ca
[15:12] <BUGabundo> *can
[15:12] <BUGabundo> 10 min silence! that's a record for this #
[15:13] <MikeChelen> either everything is working perfectly... or completely broken :D
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Must have everything fixed for the beta2 release :-)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> well , I managed to edit the old kernels out by going into /boot and deleting all flavours of the old kernels
[15:27] <hceylan> Hi is there a way to try experimental nouveau 3d on lucid?
[15:29] <gunsofbrixton> hi, I just installed lucid in virtualbox but got no taskbar, any ideas?
[15:29] <Dr_Willis> gunsofbrixton:   update, and upgrade, and restart gnome and see it comes back
[15:30] <gunsofbrixton> sorry didn't mention I installed kubuntu and not ubuntu. The restart trick didn't work
[15:31] <Korcia> hceylan: I have tried the experimental nouveau 3D but Compiz always crash after a couple of hours
[15:32] <hceylan> Korcia: do you have dev files for that?
[15:32] <Korcia> I just installed from the ppa xorg-edgers
[15:33] <hceylan> Korcia: thx for the pointer, I am still converting from being a fedora user... ;)
[15:34] <Korcia> hceylan: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[15:34] <hceylan> Korcia: sorry for bugging Korcia, is there an easy way to add this source to apt sources?
[15:35] <Korcia> there is an easier way to install xorg-edgers through ubuntu-tweak
[15:35] <ZykoticK9> hceylan, "sudo add-apt-repository https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa" should work
[15:36] <hceylan> ZykoticK9: I got: Error: 'https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa' invalid
[15:36] <Korcia> let me check the ppa
[15:36] <hceylan> Ok
[15:36] <ZykoticK9> hceylan, it's ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[15:37] <Korcia> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/nouveau/ubuntu lucid main
[15:38] <Roasted> whats up guys
[15:38] <Korcia> yes, it's ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[15:39] <Roasted> is anybody out there running 10.04 full time yet? Curious on the user-base opinion of its "as of today" stability
[15:39] <ZykoticK9> hceylan, so "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa" should work (attempt #2)
[15:40] <hceylan> ZykoticK9: trying.........
[15:41] <hceylan> I managed to add the repo
[15:42] <dan457> Roasted Most of my computers i've switched over.  only 1 is still karmic... and that is because i've moved it and it has no internet access yet.....
[15:42] <hceylan> Now All I have to do is to issue upgrade right?
[15:42] <hceylan> Thx for your time guys ZykoticK9 Korcia
[15:42] <hceylan> :)
[15:42] <Roasted> dan457, are you running any laptops with 10.04 full time?
[15:43] <hceylan> Roasted: I have been running my prod laptop for a week and I am juuuuuuust fine
[15:43] <dan457> Yes, my main laptop is full time 10.04  had an issue with wireless but sorted it out.
[15:43] <Roasted> dan457, what wireless card?
[15:43] <dan457> rt3090
[15:43] <dan457> ralink
[15:43] <Roasted> hceylan, I'm hoping 10.04 brings some better wireless support to the table. I have a laptop that doesnt work with 9.10, yet works fine with 9.04. I tried the daily build of 10.04 on it and it too failed. Dont got my hopes up...
[15:43] <tekknokrat> hi, does someone which driver i need in lucid for 3d support with ati r300 card?
[15:44] <Pici> The radeon driver should work fine.
[15:44] <Pici> i.e. the open source driver.
[15:45] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, I'm trying to get Lucid to work on a Gateway NV53, and most things work except for the internal microphone.  Trying to post a bug report, but Launchpad is having internal errors.  Was hoping to catch up with crimsun while I still have this laptop available, since there are unsolved reports of the problem around the 'net.
[15:45] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: do you use LP beta (aka edge)?
[15:46] <BUGabundo> if so, try to disable redirect , on home page
[15:46] <tekknokrat> Pici: I just use the radeon driver
[15:46] <NoelJB> Ah, good ... LP finally worked.  Bug 556552
[15:47] <tekknokrat> Pici: But getting this Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[15:47] <Pici> tekknokrat: When doing what?
[15:47] <tekknokrat> Pici: no xorg.conf defined only autodetect
[15:47] <cwillu_at_work> heh, dpkg may have had a race condition for a really long time causing random /var/dpkg/info files to go missing :)
[15:47] <tekknokrat> when running glxgears
[15:48] <Pici> tekknokrat: Does your xorg log say that you're actually using the radeon driver?
[15:48] <hceylan> Korcia: I cannot start X with composite enabled http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=wZ0xjhsy
[15:48] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, running on a Live DVD at the moment.  It is my g/f's Laptop, which she wants Lucid on instead of MS-Windows 7.  The microphone is the only holdup.  Everything else is golden.  She's been running Lucid for a week off the DVD.
[15:48] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[15:48] <kn100> ^ Wow a convert
[15:48] <BUGabundo> that's extreme love
[15:48] <BUGabundo> can I marry her ?
[15:48] <NoelJB> LOL!
[15:48] <tekknokrat> Pici: Yes
[15:48] <kn100> I've managed to convert 3 or 4 people totally though xd
[15:49] <NoelJB> Oh, she's been so much happier with Linux than MS-Win, and she's very much NOT a techie.
[15:49] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: install paman and check sound mic status
[15:49] <NoelJB> In fact, she asked ME if she could switch.
[15:49] <vbundi> I've converted many non-techie users to ubuntu
[15:49] <BUGabundo> NoelJB: you probably have two mics, and have the wrong on selected
[15:49] <vbundi> my GF uses ubuntu, and GIMP quite extensively for photo editing
[15:50] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, Not according to pavucontrol.  I'll also check dev chooser.
[15:50] <Korcia> hceylan: I checking your file
[15:50] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, others have reported the same problem with this laptop, but no one seems to have offered a solution.  BRB ... going to try paman and padevchooser.
[15:50] <tekknokrat> Pici: inside the log theres also tihs message:
[15:50] <tekknokrat> (WW) Warning, couldn't open module glx
[15:50] <tekknokrat> (II) UnloadModule: "glx"
[15:50] <tekknokrat> (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0)
[15:50] <tekknokrat> (II) LoadModule: "record"
[15:51] <vbundi> Noel, the output device is listed in the gnome audio applet?
[15:51] <hceylan> Korcia: I'll reboot and come back OK?
[15:51] <Korcia> ok, but wait
[15:51] <Korcia> If you cannot boot
[15:51] <Korcia> you can force
[15:52] <Korcia> the system to go back with sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers
[15:52] <vbundi> NoelJB: I had a problem with a netbook where the device was listed, but in order for the mic not to be totally muted, I had to go into pavucontrol and unlink the Left and Right Channels on the mic, and then turn Left (or maybe right) all the way down... it then picked up sound perfectly
[15:53] <hceylan_> Korcia: I'm back
[15:53] <Pici> tekknokrat: hrm.  This is my xorg.log http://pastebin.com/zYEAYGaT
[15:55] <Korcia> hceylan_: if everything goes wrong you can go step back with the following command: sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers
[15:55] <hceylan_> Korcia: cool!
[15:56] <cwillu_at_work> dpkg assumes that readdir will never repeat a filename, even if the file is modified
[15:56] <tekknokrat> Pici: yours is loaded fine :(, hm the same file as mine, can you give me your xserver-xorg-version?
[15:56] <cwillu_at_work> and so when it moves a file from the temp folder to the target in .../info/, it may read that filename again, see that it's missing, and then _delete_ it from .../info/
[15:57] <hceylan_> Korcia: I love this feature...
[15:57] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, vbundi output works fine.
[15:57] <NoelJB> BUGabundo, paman is installed.  I don't see anything showing as "wrong" with the mic status.  Anything specific I should look for?
[15:58] <vbundi> NoelJB: if output works fine, then input should work fine then right? (we are talking about a mic here?)
[15:58] <tekknokrat> Pici: my config is here: http://pastebin.com/vj85ftPg
[15:58] <Pici> tekknokrat: 7.5+3ubuntu1
[15:58] <NoelJB> vbundi, it SHOULD, but it doesn't.
[15:59] <tekknokrat> Pici: thx
[15:59] <NoelJB> we're talking about the built-in mic on a Gateway NV53 (NV5302u) laptop.  Output works just fine.  Video, even, works fine.  Mic input does not.
[15:59] <Pici> Hrm, I seem to be on 2.6.31 for some rason.
[16:00] <joppan> what is runlevel S and s
[16:00] <tekknokrat> Pici: i have 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu1
[16:00] <vbundi> NoelJB: what I'm trying to tell you is that my above suggestion was not for 'output'... I"m saying INPUT was not accepted by the microphone until I unlocked the channels
[16:02] <joppan>  what is runlevel S and s
[16:02] <joppan> anyone please
[16:03] <red> anyone know what is causing ubuntu to say my hard drives arent present when mounting with ntfs3g via fstab? in plymouth it stops and tells me to manually recover or skip or "wait" which doesnt do anything.
[16:03] <red> also a lot of my panel notification area icons arent visible until i move the panel to bottom and back up.
[16:03] <tekknokrat> Pici: when did you last time an update of lucid?
[16:04] <coc0nut> red: Maybe the line in fstab is wrong..
[16:04] <red> coc0nut: been the same line since I installed alpha3
[16:04] <coc0nut> Hm.
[16:04] <Pici> tekknokrat: Just now.  I'll need to play with it later.  I only have ssh access at the moment and I have a feeling I need to look at grub.
[16:04] <red> and i used what I used back in Karmic too
[16:04] <joppan> waiting for an answer
[16:04] <red> these problems have just arosen recently (since -17 kernel)
[16:04] <NoelJB> vbundi, I'll try it.  On my T61p, I have to set the input to Microphone 2 instead of 1, but that's no an option on hers.
[16:04] <red> -17 wouldnt boot at all, -19 is the one I have now and its problematic aswell
[16:05] <joppan> eethelum thayolis please answer
[16:05] <coc0nut> Does the drive show up in /dev?
[16:05] <tekknokrat> Pici: oh with only ssh support you should be carefully checking grub, was it upgrade from other lts?
[16:05] <mawst> Just out of curiosity why would Ubuntu change the default search to Yahoo?
[16:05] <mawst> Like that's a valid search engine.
[16:05] <mawst> Like it even compares to google in any way.
[16:05] <coc0nut> Was it an Ubuntu or Mozilla decision?
[16:06] <Moc> anyone having the ksoftirq taking 100% cpu usage ?
[16:06] <Pici> tekknokrat: No, it was an upgrade from Karmic, which was an upgrade from jaunty, both using the alphas.
[16:06] <mawst> I'm mean, it's easily changeable but it just strikes me as missing a chromosome.
[16:06] <tekknokrat> Pici: ok so it is no real grub->grub2 update anymore
[16:06] <mawst> Not sure coc0nut
[16:06] <Pici> mawst: It was a Canonical decision, they are doing some sort of revenue sharing deal.
[16:06] <mawst> heh
[16:07] <mawst> Great
[16:07] <mawst> Let's get all nubbed out
[16:07] <coc0nut> Yep.
[16:07] <mawst> Maybe we can finally bring AOL over
[16:07] <maco> there are some sites that dont exist on google at all but do on yahoo. in fairness
[16:07] <Pici> Maybe if Canonical makes a profit then they can continue funding Ubuntu....
[16:07] <mawst> Well maybe we should all donate then.
[16:07] <mawst> :D
[16:08] <maco> i apparently was going to my church's old website for the first 3 months i went there because it was the only site google listed for them
[16:08] <coc0nut> No, we should all use find on backups of the entire Internet.
[16:08] <coc0nut> You people and your search engines.
[16:08]  * maco <3 the find command
[16:09] <Moc> grep -r "something" http://
[16:09] <NoelJB> vbundi, tried it, no joy.
[16:19] <hceylan> Korcia: I could start X now but the screen was grabled, so it again didn't work...
[16:21] <Korcia> hceylan: I think there are still some issues with your nvidia GT 216
[16:21] <hceylan> I guess I'll stick to nvidia blob for now and ignore kms
[16:22] <Korcia> yes, take into account that nouveau 3D is still experimental
[16:25] <NoelJB> Korcia, I'd say that nouveau has a good number of years ahead of it before it is a suitable replacement for the real driver.
[16:25] <NoelJB> 2011 might be a push, but 2012 could be its year.
[16:26] <Korcia> yes, I agree with you
[16:30] <jeiworth> hi all
[16:30] <jeiworth> say, anyone playing around with btrfs in 10.04 yet?
[16:32] <mfraz74> think i'll stick with ext4
[16:33] <Steil> DUDE
[16:33] <yofel> not more than a small test partition
[16:33] <Steil> i used to use reiser
[16:33] <Steil> but now theres no upgrade path
[16:33] <Steil> someone in the community should have taken the fall for him
[16:33] <Steil> srsly
[16:33] <coc0nut> ext4's apt bug is terrible.
[16:34] <coc0nut> Where it takes forever to finish "Reading database..."
[16:34] <yofel> not apt, dpkg
[16:34] <coc0nut> WUTEVAR
[16:34] <coc0nut> OMG
[16:34] <coc0nut> ;;
[16:34] <yofel> oh wait
[16:34] <jeiworth> hmm what dpkg bug?
[16:34] <yofel> we had that for a LONG time
[16:34] <yofel> (the reading database) in kamic they at least added a percentage counter
[16:34] <jeiworth> aaah that it takes a long time?
[16:34] <yofel> and in lucid it was optimised a lot
[16:34] <coc0nut> I have to stick to ext3 until it's fixed.
[16:35] <mfraz74> haven't come across that
[16:35] <yofel> and we have a dpkg/ext4 misunderstanding that causes the package database to break if you crash your system.
[16:35] <csgeek> anyone else have issues with pidgin on Lucid
[16:35] <coc0nut> bug #455969
[16:36] <coc0nut> csgeek: Nope, what problems?
[16:36] <csgeek> for some reason it just gets stuck on connecting and never does.  Kopete works fine...internet works fine..
[16:36] <csgeek> rebooted, restarted..
[16:36] <jeiworth> ah yeah, i noticed that too, takes a few seconds but not that annoying
[16:36] <yofel> reading database always got slower the more packages you had installed
[16:36] <mfraz74> have you tried empathy?
[16:36] <yofel> but in lucid it should be more than twice as fast as in karmic.
[16:37] <coc0nut> ext3 is still about 10 times faster. >_>
[16:37] <coc0nut> For me anyway..
[16:37] <LinuxGuy2009> ext3 is faster than ext4?
[16:37] <mlietz> This is my dual monitor display. Shutter managed to grab the corrupt part too. http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/50760/desk_1_001_9TEtNH.png
[16:37] <coc0nut> For reading the dpkg database.
[16:38] <mlietz> The rightmost black and white stuff can show only the mouse cursor, not the window contents.
[16:38] <jeiworth> ok, but that's usualy not something i do every 10 minutes so i just have to wait 10 seconds more after each update/upgrade, so what
[16:38] <csgeek> nah.. using kopete atm.. which is fine.. just curious if it's a known bug
[16:39] <mlietz> I'm using an ATI card, with whatever Xorg is installed by the installer.
[16:39] <csgeek> I'll give empathy a try.. though I prefer pidgin in general
[16:39] <coc0nut> Not saying you should use ext3, I am just saying that it's a pain in the tits.
[16:39] <coc0nut> If you prefer ext4, good.
[16:40] <LinuxGuy2009> Crazy talk, crazy I say
[16:40] <odinsbane> It seems odd that the launchpad kernal ppa is behind on the 2.6.33 kernel, and they keep having these release specific kernel packages.
[16:40] <jeiworth> boot time and general system response has improved a lot with ext4 imho
[16:40] <coc0nut> Yeah, it has.
[16:41] <LinuxGuy2009> I agree
[16:41] <coc0nut> It is very fast for booting.
[16:41] <LinuxGuy2009> fast at file system checks too
[16:41] <coc0nut> Yep.
[16:41] <jeiworth> so i prefer to have a responsive system in general than that updates are faster
[16:41] <jeiworth> ;)
[16:42] <LinuxGuy2009> netsplit rulez
[16:42] <jeiworth> i'm here in mexico, internet is a pain anyway so i'm always waiting for the stuff to download a lot longer anyways *fg*
[16:42] <coc0nut> I know, I just find myself using aptitude all the time so it gets tedious. =/
[16:42] <LinuxGuy2009> darn mexican interwebs
[16:43] <coc0nut> Anyone else used python 3.1 on Lucid yet?
[16:43] <yofel> oh, and the dpkg/ext4 bug I was talking about is bug 512096
[16:43] <coc0nut> bug 556477
[16:44] <mlietz> I'm not sure what to search for in the bugs for this messed up screen. Anybody seen anything like that before?
[16:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Just make a new report
[16:46] <mlietz> I'm not sure how to describe it.
[16:46] <mlietz> "I can't use part of my screen"?
[16:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: In words is a good start
[16:46] <mlietz> it may already be there.
[16:46] <coc0nut> If it's already there, it'll be marked as a duplicate
[16:46] <mlietz> I've seen this before Lucid, though.
[16:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Whats the issue?
[16:46] <coc0nut> No harm done.
[16:47] <Martiini> Howcome b43 wireless drivers do not show in jockey-kde when I was able to install them on Live-cd ??
[16:47] <mlietz> LinuxGuy2009: This is my dual monitor display. Shutter managed to grab the corrupt part too. http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/50760/desk_1_001_9TEtNH.png
[16:47] <mlietz> the monitor on the right side does two strange things.
[16:47] <mlietz> first, the stripe of black and white all the way to the right can only show the mouse cursor, no windows.
[16:47] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: What video card?
[16:47] <mlietz> Sapphire X550 (radeon)
[16:48] <mlietz> The middle bit shows whatever goes through it. Wallpaper stops on the left side.
[16:48] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Is there a good driver installed? (Ive never used Radeon cards in Linux so I have no experience with those).
[16:48] <mlietz> I didn't install any drivers - it's a stock install.
[16:49] <mlietz> they're... problematic and always have been :(
[16:49] <coc0nut> It should install the Radeon driver by default though.
[16:49] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Ok maybe see if there are any official drivers you can download maybe?
[16:49] <mlietz> I looked in 'Hardware Drivers' and didn't see it there. Where else do I look?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> mi bou. ate logo
[16:49] <coc0nut> try: aptitude search radeon
[16:49] <coc0nut> Should be there, marked with an "i" if installed
[16:50] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: I would just report a new bug for ubuntu in general and desribe it as " dual monitor setup with corrupted second display" let them sort it out im not sure what package you would file it under. They can sort it though.
[16:50] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Better to report than not to.
[16:50] <mlietz> i   xserver-xorg-video-radeon                                                                          - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
[16:50] <LinuxGuy2009> There ya go.
[16:50] <coc0nut> Yeah, it's installed, so.
[16:50] <kklimonda|G1> BUGabundo: wrt wiki page I have no ide
[16:50] <kklimonda|G1> idea
[16:50] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: In a terminal type "ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-radeon"
[16:50] <LinuxGuy2009> file it
[16:51] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Itll search for duplicate bugs  too.
[16:51] <mlietz> sending now.
[16:51] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: Good deal\
[16:52] <mlietz> forgot my launchpad password? Argh.
[16:55] <LinuxGuy2009> mlietz: get it emailed to you
[16:56] <mlietz> aha, wrong email address.
[16:57] <LinuxGuy2009> Hmmm Ive got 4 bugs reported with no response yet.
[17:01] <benkong2> hello all
[17:02] <benkong2> I upgraded to the latest 2.6.32-19 last night and now I just freeze on boot any suggestions
[17:02] <benkong2> I am running the livecd now
[17:03] <benkong2> I tried removing splash and quiet from the command line but all I get is a black screen
[17:04] <ZykoticK9> I've lost the ability in Gnome & gnome-shell to switch to the next window using alt+tab.  In the various compiz switcher options this is called "next window".  Am I missing something in Systm / Preferences / Keyboard Shortcuts - I don't see the option?
[17:05] <mlietz> bug 556631
[17:06] <Martiini> !wireless
[17:10] <odinsbane> mlietz: I get that, but I reoganize the monitor setup and it goes away.
[17:11] <benkong2> brb && /quit
[17:11] <odinsbane> mlietz: I'm using xorg-edgers for my video drivers
[17:11] <benkong2> .quit
[17:13] <red> how can I get wmv9 audio working?
[17:13] <ZykoticK9> to answer my own question, if anyone was wondering it's "move between windows, using a popup window", which is a lot more wordy then "next window"
[17:14] <red> been goolging it a lot but unable to get the w32codecs package installed
[17:14] <red> googling*
[17:14] <LinuxGuy2009> red: tried ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[17:14] <red> I think
[17:14] <red> mm
[17:14] <red> sec
[17:15] <yofel> !medibuntu | red
[17:15] <red> I added the medibuntu repo
[17:15] <red> trying to apt-get install the codecs errors:
[17:15] <red> The following packages have unmet dependencies: w32codecs: Depends: libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1) but it is not installable
[17:16] <LinuxGuy2009> red: Do you have restricted extras?
[17:16] <yofel> red: oh... that was removed a while ago, deprecated, contact the medibuntu folks I guess
[17:17] <red> most probably
[17:17] <LinuxGuy2009> red: ubuntu-restricted-extras is like the first thing you should have.
[17:17] <red> I do have it
[17:17] <red> atleast I think this means I do:
[17:18] <LinuxGuy2009> red: What format do you need? WMA9?
[17:18] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh I see WMV9
[17:18] <red> oh wait
[17:18] <red> apt-get/aptitude installing the package doesnt do anything
[17:18] <red> so I suppose I have it?
[17:19] <yofel> could be, I just checked and here it doesn't seem to depend on c++5
[17:19] <LinuxGuy2009> On i386 you can use mplayer with the win32 codecs, or the experimental vc-1 codec.
[17:19] <LinuxGuy2009> Just read that
[17:20] <mlietz> odinsbane: xorg-edgers?
[17:20] <LinuxGuy2009> red: You on 32bit or 64?
[17:20] <red> 32bit
[17:20] <ZykoticK9> yofel, red,  i would be amazed if w32codecs from medibuntu relied on libstdc++5 still
[17:20] <yofel> yep, it doesn't here, maybe that was an older version
[17:21] <mlietz> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/drivers-only ?
[17:21] <red> hmm
[17:21] <red> doohhh
[17:21] <red> why the hell have I added medibuntu hardy heron ppa
[17:21] <red> *facepalm*
[17:21] <yofel> 11
[17:21] <yofel> ^^
[17:22]  * red hides
[17:25] <mawst> Ok anyone else have completely unreadable fonts in java apps?
[17:34] <hellyeah> hey
[17:34] <hellyeah> my nvidia was recognized
[17:34] <hellyeah> but i have a problem unfortunately
[17:34] <hellyeah> i cant enable some plugins of compiz
[17:34] <hellyeah> pls help
[17:46] <Nasser> hola
[17:46] <Nasser> que tal ubuntu 10.04
[17:48] <Nasser> olaa
[17:54] <KB1JWQ> O HAI Ubuntu!
[18:04] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hello
[18:05] <The_Toxic_Mite> I am trying to compile gspca on lucid for a webcam with the usbid 093a:262a, but for some reason make cannot compile it. I'll pastebin the results of it shortly
[18:06] <The_Toxic_Mite> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410131/
[18:11] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, gspca is built into the kernel
[18:11] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: aye? lsmod doesn't find it :S
[18:11] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[18:11] <billybigrigger> what kind of webcam?
[18:11] <JEEBsv> hmm, will wine1.2 be kept up-to-date or is .41 the last one we'll be seeing?
[18:12] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: cheapy £10 from pc world
[18:12] <billybigrigger> i remember having gspca/webcam hellish problems with the 9.10 dev cycle
[18:12] <The_Toxic_Mite> 093a:262a
[18:14] <crimsun> it isn't built-in per se, though I suppose you could use that term loosely with it being modularised.
[18:14] <crimsun> $ egrep -i gspca.*=m /boot/config-2.6.32-19-generic |wc -l
[18:14] <crimsun> 28
[18:14] <billybigrigger> crimsun, i can be built in, or as you say modularised yes
[18:15] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, might have to start playing around with kernel compiling and get a custom kernel going...
[18:15] <crimsun> billybigrigger: generally we reserve "built in" for "=y", but I won't be too picky :-)
[18:15] <billybigrigger> but as for gspca, i think you need to start looking into the v4l modules...
[18:15] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-2.6.git;a=summary
[18:15] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, ^^^
[18:16] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, paste your lsusb line for that device
[18:16] <The_Toxic_Mite> okay
[18:16] <The_Toxic_Mite> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 093a:262a Pixart Imaging, Inc.
[18:16] <billybigrigger> oh god this is bringing back bad memories of last summer haha
[18:16] <The_Toxic_Mite> lol
[18:18] <The_Toxic_Mite> surely compiling your own kernel means that you'll lose the modules that came with the previous kernel? I have NDISwrapper installed and ethernet's not an option for me
[18:18] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/272997
[18:19] <billybigrigger> might need to file a new bug
[18:19] <billybigrigger> that is for a really old kernel
[18:20] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, unplug the cam, then run $ tail -f /var/log/dmesg in a terminal and plug the cam back in
[18:20] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, pastebin the output
[18:21] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: that's me running it now
[18:23] <The_Toxic_Mite> still running... should I plug the cam back in to see what happens?
[18:23] <billybigrigger> yes, and pastbin that output
[18:24] <The_Toxic_Mite> that's it in
[18:24] <The_Toxic_Mite> tail's hanging though :/
[18:24] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[18:25] <billybigrigger> do you get anything related in /dev? ie /dev/video
[18:25] <billybigrigger> ?
[18:25] <billybigrigger> maybe video0 or 1
[18:25] <The_Toxic_Mite> /dev/video doesn't appear to exist
[18:25] <The_Toxic_Mite> no /dev/video0 or 1 either
[18:25] <billybigrigger> and it's plugged in yes?
[18:25] <The_Toxic_Mite> yes
[18:26] <The_Toxic_Mite> the prompt's not showing... should I just pastebin the results so far?
[18:27] <billybigrigger> yes
[18:27] <billybigrigger> it's still tailing dmesg
[18:27] <billybigrigger> ctrl-c to stop
[18:27] <The_Toxic_Mite> ok
[18:28] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/410141/
[18:28] <vbundi> is there any reason to use aptitude vs apt-get anymore?
[18:28] <The_Toxic_Mite> vbundi: AFAIK aptitude's just a front end to APT
[18:29] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, you might need to start looking into re-compiling your kernel
[18:29] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: looks like it.
[18:29] <billybigrigger> and make sure the proper modules are built-in for your camera
[18:29] <vbundi> The_Toxic_Mite: I mean the command line... 'aptitude install xxxx' vs 'apt-get install xxxx'
[18:29] <ZykoticK9> vbundi, the Lucid manual actually describes apt-get and not aptitiude - aptitiude safe-upgrade has convinced me it is a requirement however (i'm a die hard apt-get guy myself)
[18:29] <billybigrigger> The_Toxic_Mite, http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[18:30] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: yeah I have the tarball for that
[18:30] <billybigrigger> thats a supported list
[18:30] <The_Toxic_Mite> yes. my usbid shows up on the list
[18:30] <billybigrigger> seems there are some pixart cams supported, but i can't find your dev id
[18:30] <The_Toxic_Mite> btw, unane -a outputs:
[18:30] <The_Toxic_Mite> Linux the-toxic-mite 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Wed Mar 31 17:46:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:30] <billybigrigger> ok well then make sure that spca5xx module is built-in
[18:31] <vbundi> ZykoticK9: ahh so they must be pretty close nowadays but apt-get has no 'safe upgrade' option.. only a full upgrade
[18:31] <billybigrigger> apt-get will give you partial upgrades if your not careful
[18:31] <ZykoticK9> vbundi, yup :)
[18:31] <billybigrigger> so aptitude safe-upgrade is suggested
[18:32] <ZykoticK9> vbundi, outside the development version - i don't see myself using aptitude, but here it is a requirement
[18:32] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: lsmod doesn't mention the spca5xx module. I'll try modprobing it to see if it finds it
[18:32] <The_Toxic_Mite> nope
[18:32] <vbundi> ZykoticK9: lol I just stumbled across aptitude's easter egg... aptitude moo -v..... aptitude moo -vvvvvv
[18:33] <ZykoticK9> vbundi, that's probably my favoritue egg in ubuntu
[18:35] <vbundi> ZykoticK9: yeah super cow powers are cool
[18:38] <The_Toxic_Mite> Right, I'm going to try recompiling the kernel. Any risks to heed before I do apart from the possible loss of modules? I use ndiswrapper, and I fear that it will be lost during the installation
[18:39] <Pav> ohai. netbook iso working for anyone?
[18:40] <The_Toxic_Mite> brb
[18:43] <nonameNN> is anyone having problems with synaptic?
[18:45] <vbundi> nope
[18:45] <mvo> nonameNN: in what way?
[18:45] <nonameNN> cant install packages, it says something about translation-es
[18:47] <nonameNN> i can install with console though
[18:49] <mvo> nonameNN: what is the exact error message?
[18:49] <nonameNN> ill paste it
[18:50] <nonameNN> nevermind now its downloading ok, i had my system in spanish, i have removed language-pack and support-es and now its ok... it maight be something with spanish translations
[18:59] <The_Toxic_Mite> back
[18:59] <The_Toxic_Mite> sod the webcam, I'll leave it 'til tomorrow
[18:59] <The_Toxic_Mite> billybigrigger: thanks for your help btw :)
[19:00] <billybigrigger> np sorry i couldn't help you getting it going :(
[19:00] <The_Toxic_Mite> it's okay :)
[19:02] <Korcia> hi, can anybody tell how can I manage the services that I used to manage with sysvconfig?
[19:05] <chandru_in> I have a monitor which has a different resolution froom my laptop.  I want to use the right resolution for both laptop and the monitor but project the same screen on both.  How do I do it?
[19:05] <chandru_in> Kinda like configuring an LCD projector
[19:06] <chandru_in> Is there a graphical way of doing it??  Selecting mirror image uses same resolution on bothl monitors
[19:07] <yofel> chandru_in: what graphics driver are you using?
[19:07] <chandru_in> intel
[19:10] <chandru_in> is this supported on intel cards?
[19:12] <billybigrigger> no experience with intel cards, just nvidia and ati here
[19:12] <chandru_in> nvidia's ssettings manager would handle this for you
[19:12] <Damascene> does any one have a printer?
[19:12] <chandru_in> how do you do it on ati billybigrigger ?
[19:13] <Damascene> I can't print a pdf file
[19:13] <rye> Damascene, well, yes...
[19:13] <rye> Damascene, is cups configured?
[19:13] <billybigrigger> chandru_in, no idea, ati is my laptop and i've never tried to hook it up to an external monitor
[19:13] <billybigrigger> nvidia x settings is awesome though
[19:13] <Damascene> rye, I've printed web page and other pdf
[19:13] <rye> chandru_in, what's your question - I have one intel card here
[19:13] <rye> Damascene, but one pdf fiel does not work, right?
[19:13] <Damascene> rye, only the first page printed
[19:14] <Damascene> the printer blink and I don't know what to do
[19:14] <rye> Damascene, does evince show all other pages?
[19:14] <chandru_in> rye:  I have a monitor which has a different resolution froom my laptop.  I want to use the right resolution for both laptop and the monitor but project the same screen on both.  How do I do it?
[19:14] <Damascene> rye, evince show all the pages
[19:14] <rye> xrandr cmdline utility will do that, and gnome-control-center plugin for display preferences will also do that
[19:14] <rye> chandru_in, ^
[19:15] <rye> chandru_in, ah
[19:15] <Damascene> do you want me to send you the file? rye
[19:15] <rye> chandru_in, wait
[19:15] <rye> chandru_in, you mean that the local screen/remote screen will show only a part of the whole image, right/
[19:15] <rye> ?
[19:15] <chandru_in> no I want the same screen to appear on both
[19:16] <chandru_in> just like you'd when presenting
[19:16] <chandru_in> however I want the laptop screen and the other screen to use different resolutions
[19:16] <rye> chandru_in, but since resolutions are different some content will be missing from one or another screen
[19:16] <chandru_in> y?
[19:16] <Damascene> is there any way to read message from the printer?
[19:17] <chandru_in> This doesn't happen at least on windows
[19:17] <gnubie> Damascene,  is the blinking printer telling you it needs paper?
[19:17] <Damascene> no
[19:17] <chandru_in> The same content is displayed in different resolutions
[19:17] <Damascene> I've just printed on it
[19:18] <Damascene> what is gs?
[19:18] <Damascene> it's taking the cpu time
[19:18] <ausimage> I have question regarding what is going on with the ACPI in Lucid and how that might affect me...
[19:18] <ausimage> I have noticed that lucid in a virtual box will not start with ACPI on :S
[19:19] <Damascene> I killed gs and every thing get back to normal
[19:19] <Damascene> the printer doesn't blink but no print
[19:19] <ausimage> I would like to know if this is isolated or will I have issues when I put on bare metal ?
[19:20] <Damascene> rye, what happened?
[19:20] <rye> Damascene, 30 second network outage
[19:21] <rye> Damascene, you might want to check cups logs in /var/log/cups
[19:21] <Damascene> rye, there was gs taking the cpu time
[19:21] <chandru_in> any help rye?
[19:21] <rye> Damascene, since it is possible that the filter died. Or try printing to Cups PDF printer
[19:21] <Damascene> when I killed it the printer blink stopped but no print
[19:21] <Damascene> pdf printer works will
[19:22] <Damascene> should I report a bug?
[19:23] <rye> chandru_in, right now there is say 1024x768+0+0 (one screen) 1280x1024+1024+0 (another screen), you can make the second one be +0 +0 but some part of the desktop will not be seen
[19:24] <rye> Damascene, if cups PDF printer works (i.e. not the one that says "print to file" in evince, but the real CUPS PDF printer) then there may be some issue with drivers or filter
[19:24] <Damascene> what is the cpus printer?
[19:24] <Damascene> pdf printer?
[19:25] <Damascene> please how to test that? I only know the print to file thing
[19:26] <rye> !info cups-pdf
[19:26] <Damascene> OH my god
[19:26] <rye> or something
[19:26] <Damascene> I killed it and now it printed full black paper as a revange :(
[19:26] <rye> Damascene, you will need to install "cups-pdf" package
[19:26] <neowolf> i was just wondering if anyone knows how to change the startup sount in 10.04 im using the beta and they changed the location it is no longer in admin/sound
[19:26] <Damascene> what is going on :(
[19:27] <rye> Damascene, ?
[19:27] <rye> Damascene, i remember my Epson became crazy and started chewing back the paper it has just printed
[19:27] <Damascene> :D
[19:28] <Damascene> so my porblem is easier :)
[19:28] <Damascene> but I'll have to buy ink to this new printer soon :)
[19:28] <rye> Damascene, and the error handling in printers is... well, it exists
[19:29] <Damascene> that is the problem I can't see error message form printer or I don't know how
[19:29] <Damascene> any way I'll run out of battery soon
[19:29] <Damascene> I've got cups-pdf how to run it?
[19:30] <neowolf> i was just wondering if anyone knows how to change the startup sound in 10.04 im using the beta and they changed the location it is no longer in system/preferences/sound <correction>
[19:30] <nonameNN> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410177/  any ideas about this?
[19:30] <Damascene> got it
[19:34] <neowolf> hello all
[19:34] <poizan> good evening (at least it is where I live)
[19:36] <neowolf> does anyone know where startup3.wav is located?
[19:37] <poizan> I'm having a bit of a problem getting lucid booting... When i'm adding --debug to the kernel command line I can see that the last thing that happens is that upstart starts mountall
[19:37] <poizan> init: mountall main process (291) executable changed
[19:37] <poizan> and then nothing happens
[19:43] <poizan> it never changes the state of mountall from spawned to post-start or running
[19:43] <nonameNN> can some one use more than 3 desktops horizontally with compiz?
[19:45] <NoelJB> crimsun, thanks for acking on bug 556552.  As long as the computer is still here (until tomorrow, and then again in May), is there anything I can do while I have it in my hands?
[19:46] <the-dude> my laptop is having issues with the refresh of the screen
[19:46] <the-dude> any suggestions for trouble shooting or bugreporting it ?
[19:48] <NoelJB> the-dude, describe "having issues with refreshing the screen".
[19:49] <the-dude> NoelJB: it looks like it is refreshing like crazy
[19:49] <LinuxGuy2009> Ok if anyone is running Compiz effects. Please try out the Reflection & Deformation plugin to see if you can switch between None, Cylinder, Sphere. I reported a bug that its stuck on Cylinder, but wanted to see if I was the only one.
[19:49] <the-dude> it happens when some output on my screen changes
[19:49] <the-dude> its pretty hard to describe I don't speak native english
[19:49] <the-dude> it kinda looks like a low refresh rate
[19:50] <the-dude> and it happens in gnome and on console as well
[19:50] <neowolf> does anyone know where startup3.wav is located? or how to change the startup sound?
[19:50] <LinuxGuy2009> neowolf: Thats why gnome has a search feature.
[19:51] <LinuxGuy2009> startup3.wav doesnt exist on my system
[19:51] <neowolf> i tried that its not located but it is listed in the config file
[19:51] <NoelJB> ATI, Intel or nvidia?
[19:52] <LinuxGuy2009> neowolf: Had a gander in /usr/share/sounds yet?
[19:52] <NoelJB> the-dude, ^^^^
[19:52] <the-dude> NoelJB: I worked fine before I upgrade today
[19:52] <the-dude> it worked fine until a reboot
[19:52] <the-dude> its doing it right now :O
[19:52] <neowolf> if i can find startup3.wav i can replace it
[19:52] <NoelJB> the-dude, OK, then look at /var/log/dpkg.log and see what changed today.  See if reverting something (if anything looks like a candidate) helps.
[19:52] <neowolf> looking now
[19:53] <the-dude> NoelJB: allright
[19:53] <LinuxGuy2009> neowolf: You must have some custom theme installed?
[19:54] <neowolf> no im looking at the default stuff
[19:54] <LinuxGuy2009> neowolf: There is definitely no startup3.wav on a default Lucid install.
[19:54] <neowolf> found it thank you
[19:55] <LinuxGuy2009> good job
[19:57] <neowolf> linuxGuy have you tried loging out or rebooting to change your reflection?
[19:57] <neowolf> mine was sticking untill i restarted compiz
[19:58] <neowolf> i am currently running the sphere and everything is working fine
[20:00] <the-dude> NoelJB: I found it
[20:00] <crimsun> NoelJB: you should use hda-verb to check the int mic widget; I am very busy ATM so I don't know when I'll get back to it.
[20:01] <NoelJB> crimsun, any info on what you want me to do with hda-verb?  I've never used it.
[20:01] <neowolf> all i did was set it then ps ux |grep compiz then kill -9 pid then i started it back up and it worked fine after that
[20:01] <NoelJB> crimsun, and I understand busy.  juggling quite a bit, myself.  :-)
[20:04] <the-dude> NoelJB: if you are interested it was nxserver
[20:05] <NoelJB> the-dude, ah, OK
[20:06] <the-dude> my English it well enough to describe the exact problem sorry
[20:08] <cdecarlo> hi, I'm having issues with my broadcast accounts, seems I can't tweet, and authorizing a facebook about seems to lock up the applicaiton / do nothing
[20:08] <LinuxGuy2009> the-dude: Your english isnt even well enough to say that your english is well enough.
[20:09] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: So you cant tweet in your book?
[20:10] <cdecarlo> LinuxGuy2009, I'm even sure if that's a joke, what is my 'book'
[20:10] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: Throw us one question at a time.
[20:11] <cdecarlo> LinuxGuy2009, I've added my twitter credentials to my broadcast accounts, I can't tweet
[20:11] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: Broadcast account? You lost me there.
[20:12] <cdecarlo> LinuxGuy2009, ya it's all new Jargon to me too, are you familiar with the MeMenu?
[20:12] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: Kinda
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: under the user switcher where it says chat accounts? That?
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: Im blind dont mind me
[20:13] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: I see it
[20:13] <om26er> cdecarlo, delete ~/.cache/desktop-couch ~/.config/desktop-couch and ~/.local/desktop-couch and and adding new account should work
[20:13] <cdecarlo> LinuxGuy2009, well, the MeMenu controls your social accounts, if you've got a twitter account set up, you'll see 'Broadcast accounts ...'
[20:14] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: Yeah I see it now.
[20:14] <cdecarlo> om26er, I'll try that
[20:14] <om26er> cdecarlo, and before deleting those first quit gwibber
[20:14] <LinuxGuy2009> cdecarlo: If you come accross bugs please report them. Thats the only way they will get fixed.
[20:15] <dbugger> Hey guys, since last upgrade, I cant seem to make again apt-get update... it gets stuck... can someone help me?
[20:15] <om26er> dbugger, you might need to change your download mirror from system>adminitration>software soruces
[20:15] <dbugger> I already did, didnt work...
[20:16] <yofel> dbugger: where does it get stuck?
[20:16] <cdecarlo> om26er, ps reports that I'm running /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/gwibber-service, should I kill that?
[20:17] <om26er> cdecarlo, sudo pkill gwibber would be all
[20:17] <dbugger> this is: Hit http://mirror.informatik.uni-mannheim.de lucid-security/multiverse Sources
[20:17] <dbugger> 99% [Waiting for headers]
[20:17] <dbugger> that's where it gets stuck
[20:17] <om26er> dbugger, I get that too, have you change the mirror changing worked for me
[20:17] <dbugger> om26er, I didnt work for me
[20:17] <yofel> dbugger: how long did you wait? maybe it's not the main mirror but another server you added?
[20:18] <dbugger> yofel, it's a clean install
[20:18] <om26er> dbugger, disable updates
[20:18] <yofel> hm
[20:18] <dbugger> om26er, what?
[20:18] <om26er> dbugger, in updates tab disable all ticked things
[20:19] <dbugger> k
[20:19] <dbugger> same deal
[20:19] <om26er> dbugger, try changing to main server
[20:20] <dbugger> om26er, told you, I already did that.
[20:20] <om26er> o
[20:21] <ausimage> Any understand the ACPI issue with vbox and whether it can bite when installed directly?
[20:21] <ausimage> er that is with Luci
[20:21] <ausimage> *lucid
[20:23] <ausimage> I am concerned and don't want to deal with the issue if I upgrade my box
[20:36] <shakeuk> hi all
[20:37] <shakeuk> can anyone tell me how i can check which diplay drivers i am using in 10.04 lucid?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:37] <charlie-tca> keyword: video
[20:39] <shakeuk> ok lots of keywords video in that log
[20:40] <shakeuk> :O
[20:40] <shakeuk> which particular part of my log should i check? or should i just pastbin it?
[20:41] <shakeuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410204/
[20:41] <ripps> How do I enable personal file sharing, the preferences app says I don't have the packages necessary
[20:43] <shakeuk> the only reason im asking is because i have tried to install ati's own 10.3 catalyst drivers following there instructions and i cant tell wether or not it is in use because i cant find the controll panal in system > preferences
[20:45] <Nalf> how do we check the status of the video drivers issue?
[20:46] <vbundi> shakeuk: you have installed fglrx-amdcccle ?
[20:46] <shakeuk> erm
[20:46] <shakeuk> i dunno
[20:46] <shakeuk> lemme check spm
[20:46] <shakeuk> yes
[20:46] <shakeuk> that is installed
[20:47] <vbundi> type fglrxinfo
[20:48] <vbundi> shakeuk: what is the output of fglrxinfo?
[20:50] <shakeuk> its not installed 2mins
[20:52] <shakeuk> it keeps saying its not installed even though i just installed it
[20:52] <shakeuk> :S
[20:52] <vbundi> fglrxinfo is not installed?
[20:53] <vbundi> shakeuk: in a terminal type sudo apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-kernel-source fglrx-modaliases xorg-driver-fglrx xorg-driver-fglrx-dev
[20:54] <vbundi> shakeuk: let me know when that's done
[20:55] <shakeuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410207/
[20:56] <vbundi> sec
[20:56] <shakeuk> it would nice to just have a device manager
[20:56] <renton> Are the restricted video drivers working in 10.04
[20:56] <vbundi> renton: for nvidia - yes, for ati.. stand by ;)
[20:56] <shakeuk> how do u mean restricted video drivers?
[20:56] <vbundi> restricted as in proprietary
[20:57] <renton> vbundi, aww, I guess I'll be standing by then. ;) Thank you!
[20:57] <shakeuk> well system > admin > hardware drivers does list ubunto checked propriety drivers but these dont work
[20:57] <vbundi> shakeuk: ok I can see that the packages are here.. try apt-get install fglrx fglrx-dev
[20:57] <shakeuk> so i went for the most up to date from the ati website
[20:57] <vbundi> oh shit
[20:57] <vbundi> really?
[20:58] <vbundi> ok well
[20:58] <vbundi> see if fglrx and fglrx-dev are installed
[20:58] <shakeuk> well they didnt work for me anyway
[20:59] <vbundi> were the above packages installed?
[20:59] <shakeuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410209/
[20:59] <vbundi> it's fglrx-dev
[20:59] <renton> fglrx-dev
[20:59] <vbundi> but I think you have it probably by the looks of it
[21:00] <vbundi> ok so in a terminal.. type sudo aticonfig --initial
[21:00] <shakeuk> spm says i dont have fglrx-dev
[21:00] <shakeuk> is this correct or does it not match terminal?
[21:01] <vbundi> oh hm well install that.. I don't think it's required... but it won't hurt
[21:01] <vbundi> that's the correct one.. if you look up you'll see you had a typo in your command before
[21:01] <renton> Is there anything I can do if my videocard is getting a bad EDID from my monitor? At native resolution (1920x1080) things are going outside of my screen boundries.
[21:02] <vbundi> renton: it's a monitor connected through DVI?
[21:02] <renton> Yes.
[21:02] <shakeuk> ok so now its installed
[21:02] <vbundi> ok so in a terminal.. type sudo aticonfig --initial
[21:02] <ripps> Okay, why doesn't Personal Filing Sharing work? It's says I'm missing some packages, but I don't have any dependencies or recommends missing in my system.
[21:02] <shakeuk> sudo: aticonfig: command not found
[21:03] <vbundi> renton: weird...
[21:03] <vbundi> renton: I know in the nvidia tool there is an option to correct for 'overscan'
[21:03] <vbundi> renton: look for that in your catalyst control center if you are running ATI
[21:03] <renton> Control center wont run.
[21:04] <renton> No ATI graphics driver is install or the driver is not functioning properly. I assumed this is because the restricted drivers are still enabled though.
[21:04] <renton> I'll brb. xD
[21:05] <vbundi> shakeuk: type sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[21:05] <vbundi> aticonfig is part of that package
[21:06] <shakeuk> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:06] <vbundi> shakeuk, renton: from what I am reading... the new catalyst driver may not be ready yet... it's like super fresh from AMD
[21:07] <vbundi> shakeuk: hmm what does it say when you type aticonfig in a terminal?
[21:07] <renton> Ahh, alright.
[21:07] <shakeuk> i recall when booting it told me it had driver issues
[21:07] <vbundi> renton: not to say that we can't do it...
[21:07] <shakeuk> and asked me if i wanted to save a log
[21:07] <shakeuk> i did but cant remember where
[21:08] <renton> When I don't have the proprietary drivers enabled, I get a 'command not found error' when attempting to run ati-config.
[21:08] <vbundi> the thing is that the new version of Xorg that ubuntu is using doesn't work with the OLD drivers... so they had to come out with new ones, it sounds like they should be available by Lucid's official release at the latest
[21:08] <vbundi> it's just 'aticonfig'
[21:09] <renton> Yeah, that's what I typed. I don't know why I hyphenated it here. xD
[21:09] <vbundi> when I type aticonfig on my lucid system it says 'the program 'aticonfig' is not currently installed, you can install it by typing in sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx'
[21:10] <monkey_dust> hi all - i am unable to launch ubuntu-one - all packages are installed - Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-client-applet" (No such file or directory) - hints & tips anyone?
[21:10] <vbundi> this is proper behaviour I would think since that system is NVIDIA ;)
[21:10] <shakeuk> i remember typing sh ./ati-driver-installer-10-3-x86.x86_64.run to install the package and the river install gui came up fine
[21:10] <Haffe> Sigh.
[21:10] <shakeuk> so i wonder why it didnt work in the end
[21:10] <Haffe> Does ati's linuxdrivers still suck?
[21:11] <renton> vbundi, even after installing that package I cannot run aticonfig.
[21:11] <vbundi> Haffe: not sure... it might just be that we are missing something, (un)fortunately I use nvidia on all my systems so I have little experience with this stuff
[21:11] <Haffe> OK.
[21:11] <vbundi> renton: alright lets try googling around
[21:11] <Haffe> I have avoided ati cards for this reason.
[21:11] <shakeuk> im trying the ati run file a second time
[21:12] <shakeuk> maybe ill get lucky
[21:12] <shakeuk> mine isnt a card its built into the motherboard HD3300
[21:12] <Haffe> Seems there might still be incentive to do an open GPU as my master's thesis.
[21:12] <shakeuk> but this is supported buy the drivers
[21:12] <shakeuk> i have checked
[21:12] <renton> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/410219/
[21:13] <Haffe> Oh well. Sooner or later AMD will have to learn.
[21:13] <Berzerker> is the Flash 10.1 RC 64-bit compatible?
[21:14] <vbundi> renton, shakeuk: can you pastebin a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list for me?  also make sure you have run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:14] <StopSign> so what happens when you upgrade then the release comes out at the end of the month, can you upgrade agian?
[21:15] <vbundi> Berzerker: I'm running flash 10.1 64bit (not sure if it's RC or beta) but it works great
[21:15] <renton> vbundi: One moment please. :)
[21:16] <shakeuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410220/
[21:16] <Berzerker> vbundi: where did you get it? the only one I can find is 10.0.45
[21:17] <vbundi> Berzerker: adobe's site... let me find the info for you.
[21:17] <shakeuk> brb just restarting linux
[21:17] <shakeuk> ubuntu *
[21:17] <renton> vbundi: My sources are the same as shakeuk's.
[21:18] <vbundi> Berzerker: my mistake... I'm using 10.0.45.2
[21:18] <vbundi> it IS 64-bit compatible and works great though ;)
[21:18] <Berzerker> well yeah I have that lol
[21:18] <vbundi> StopSign: apt-get dist-upgrade installs NEW packages that may be accompanied with an upgrade.. you can run it as much as you'd like
[21:19] <vbundi> Berzerker: yeah sorry I haven't tried 10.1 yet
[21:19] <vbundi> shakeuk, renton: trying to find out if aticonfig is part of the repositories that you have disabled
[21:21] <StopSign> vbundi, right on man thanks
[21:21] <vbundi> shakeuk, renton: if you edit your /etc/apt/sources file and enable backports and partner repositories it might be in there (delete the # before the lines 38,39,45,46 on that pastebin)
[21:22] <yofel> !find aticonfig
[21:22] <vbundi> shakeuk, renton: after doing so, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:23] <vbundi> ubottu: both of them have it installed but when running aticonfig from a terminal it says 'command not found'
[21:23] <yofel> vbundi: really? odd...
[21:23] <yofel> urgh
[21:23] <yofel> fglrx: /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig
[21:24] <shakeuk> failed again :(
[21:24] <vbundi> ubottu: damnit I hope this isn't logged, that's embarassing ;)
[21:24] <shakeuk> booo
[21:24] <yofel> wth is up with that...
[21:24] <KenBW2> How do I start the KDE desktop in Lucid from GDM?
[21:24] <StopSign> is it true, better support for ipods in 10.1
[21:24] <yofel> vbundi: aticonfig isn't installed in the PATH -.-
[21:24] <kalib> when will be released ubuntu 10.4?
[21:24] <yofel> vbundi: so just typing aticonfig won't run it, you need to run '/usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig'
[21:24] <vbundi> yofel: well that might be their problem then ;)
[21:25] <vbundi> yofel: weird, I wouldn't think they'd put it in /usr/lib
[21:25] <shakeuk> ok how do i uninstall the drivers now that i have installed them but the dont work?
[21:26] <vbundi> kalib: I believe they will probably release by the end of April
[21:26] <kalib> vbundi, before 23th?
[21:26] <yofel> vbundi: it might have to do with the fact that mesa now uses alternatives
[21:26] <vbundi> shakeuk: type sudo /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/aticonfig --initial
[21:26] <yofel> let me research a bit
[21:27] <renton> Yeah.
[21:27] <kalib> cause we will have an event in my city. We will distribute some ubuntu cds... that's what I wanna know. Should I download and burn 9.10 or wait 10.4?
[21:27] <renton> yofel, thanks for that. :)
[21:27] <vbundi> yofel: yeah I don't know anything about that
[21:27] <kalib> the event will be on April 24th
[21:27] <shakeuk> ok ive done that vbundi what does that do?
[21:28] <vbundi> shakeuk: I am HOPING that it is just like the nvidia-settings command that writes your Xorg file properly
[21:28] <vbundi> shakeuk: after running that, in a terminal try typing 'service gdm restart'
[21:28] <shakeuk> Found fglrx primary device section Using /etc/X11/xorg.conf Saved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-3
[21:28] <BUGabundo> \o
[21:28] <vbundi> excellent.. my assumption was right ;)
[21:28] <BUGabundo> evening friends
[21:28] <vbundi> hey
[21:29] <renton> vbundi: service kdm restart?
[21:29] <shakeuk> jake@jake-ubuntu:~$ service gdm restart / restart: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.68" (uid=1000 pid=3523 comm="restart) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Restart" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
[21:29] <renton> I got the same issue.
[21:29] <renton> I have, rather.
[21:29] <shakeuk> i added the / in there by accident
[21:29] <vbundi> are you guys both running KDE? ;)
[21:29] <renton> I'm running kde.
[21:30] <shakeuk> im using the default thats installed gnome isnt it?
[21:30] <renton> Yes, that's gnome.
[21:30] <renton> Unless you downloaded kubuntu.
[21:30] <vbundi> renton: I'm a noob when it comes to kde but I am gonna guess that its /etc/init.d/kdm restart OR service kdm restart
[21:30] <shakeuk> nope not kubuntu whats the difference like?
[21:30] <yofel> renton: shakeuk: if you still have fglrx installed, can you please pastebin the output of 'update-alternatives --display gl_conf' ?
[21:30] <yofel> as /usr/bin/aticonfig *should* be there
[21:31] <maco> shakeuk: kde is a somewhat more "power user" environment. or at least it gives you more control. gnome is more about simplicity and staying out of the way
[21:31] <shakeuk> does it look any different?
[21:32] <vbundi> shakeuk: completely.. ;P
[21:32] <renton> vbundi, KDE restarted.
[21:32] <shakeuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/410228/
[21:32] <renton> vbundi, configuration failed, though. xD and it set my default session back to gnome, I guess.
[21:32] <yofel> vbundi: with upstart please use 'sudo service kdm restart' as service works for both upstart and sysvinit services
[21:32] <vbundi> renton: doh
[21:33] <renton> Still having the overscan issues. I'll try to fix that now.
[21:33] <vbundi> yofel: yeah it tells me that every time I do it the other way ;)
[21:33] <yofel> heh
[21:33] <vbundi> renton: if you can open up the catalyst control center it may let you fix the overscan
[21:34] <vbundi> renton: there's complicated conf stuff you can do to fix it, but I am more qualified for surgery so
[21:34] <renton> I tried to disable it, but I failed.
[21:34] <vbundi> renton: you ran the control center as root?
[21:35] <yofel> shakeuk: and running 'aticonfig' still told you the command could not be found?
[21:35] <vbundi> err superuser...
[21:35] <renton> Yes.
[21:36] <renton> Err, I'm sorry.
[21:36] <renton> I used config to disable overscan.
[21:37] <shakeuk> not this time it brought up the config
[21:37] <shakeuk> in text
[21:37] <shakeuk> no gui
[21:37] <renton> "(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)"
[21:38] <vbundi> Haffe: after reading, it appears that AMD is helping out quite a bit by supplying drivers to work with the new Xorg and this will be the 4th time in a row that they have done this
[21:38] <Haffe> vbundi: Ok, but are they working drivers or just some skeleton 2d drivers?
[21:38] <yofel> renton: odd, do you have a dkms build log maybe? or did you get an error when installing the driver package?
[21:39] <vbundi> Haffe: they have been working 3d drivers in the past... I can't comment on the new ones as we haven't gotten either to work yet ;)
[21:39] <shakeuk> what do i ment to do with all that text?
[21:39] <renton> yofel: No error.
[21:39] <Haffe> Oh well.
[21:39] <shakeuk> does this mean the drivers are installed now?
[21:39] <Haffe> Best of luck.
[21:39] <shakeuk> should i reboot?
[21:40] <vbundi> Haffe: I agree, with you when it comes to ATI driver issues.. and this is why I purchase nvidia too.... but it's not that AMD isn't trying to help... nvidia drivers are just as proprietary
[21:40] <renton> yofel: Should I remove it and install it again?
[21:40] <Haffe> vbundi: Yes.
[21:41] <shakeuk> @yofel should i reboot?
[21:41] <yofel> renton: wait
[21:41] <Haffe> The only somewhat good guys here are intel, and intel are evil for other reasons.
[21:41] <DanaG> vbundi: I go the other way... both ATI and NV binary suck... so I prefer ATI open drivers.
[21:41] <yofel> shakeuk: no idea, I thought you knew what to do once you get aticonfig working, I don't use ati
[21:41] <DanaG> On R600, they even have working KMS and 3D.
[21:42] <yofel> renton: does     find /usr/lib/$(uname -r)/ -iname '*fglrx*'       give you something?
[21:42] <shakeuk> no i only come in here asking how to tell which diplay drivers were being used the open source non 3d optimised ones provided with ubuntu or the propietary ones i installed following ati's instructions?
[21:43] <shakeuk> cos there is no device manager to tell which drivers are being used so i cant tell wether im getting the best gfx performace out of my install
[21:44] <renton> find: `/usr/lib/2.6.32-19-generic/': No such file or directory
[21:44] <shakeuk> any clues how to find out?
[21:45] <yofel> *headdesk*
[21:45] <yofel> renton: find /lib/$(uname -r)/ -iname '*fglrx*'
[21:45] <yofel> wrong again...
[21:45] <yofel> renton: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -iname '*fglrx*'
[21:46] <BUGabundo> this gnome-keyring is driving me INSANE!
[21:46] <renton> /lib/modules/2.6.32-19-generic/updates/dkms/fglrx.ko
[21:46] <BUGabundo> I want my CPU back... NOW
[21:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh
[21:46] <vbundi> Haffe: you can't blame either company for keeping their video drivers closed source though when you consider that it might help their competition... nvidia and ATI have been neck and neck for a while
[21:46] <shakeuk> anyone?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> anything that access it
[21:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: how is openeclair for you?
[21:46] <DanaG> argh, stupid thunderbird... asks me for my password 3 times at once..
[21:46] <BUGabundo> makes my CPU load shoot
[21:46] <yofel> renton: odd, then the modules *is* there. did you reboot? and does 'sudo modprobe fglrx' give you an error?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: lasted 30 min
[21:46] <DanaG> .... and sometimes rejects it even though it's correct!
[21:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh? that bad?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> no no really good
[21:47] <Haffe> vbundi: I don't really see how it would help either one to see how to interface the others hardware.
[21:47] <BUGabundo> but I couldn't turn off animaitions
[21:47] <BUGabundo> and it required me to reinstall all 70 apps by hand
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I rather stik with what I have in CM
[21:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: are there closed drivers for 2.1 for dream/magic available?
[21:48] <vbundi> Haffe: I'm not chip designer.. but it might enlighten one or the other on certain chip design features
[21:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I think I haven't followed our discussion on identi.ca
[21:48] <BUGabundo> no
[21:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: so 2.1 is going to be a "bit" slow? :/
[21:49] <DanaG> 2.1 what?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> androidos
[21:49] <kklimonda> DanaG: android
[21:49] <DanaG> ah.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: they have "drivers"
[21:49] <BUGabundo> and even 3D support by HW
[21:49] <renton> yofel: I have rebooted, and modprobe gives nothing.
[21:49] <BUGabundo> just don't ask me how or from where
[21:50] <DanaG> I tried to install the omap powervr drivers... but their makefile is a miserable failure.
[21:50] <yofel> renton: 'lsmod | grep fglrx' ?
[21:50] <DanaG> It tries to "make clean" on a target workdir that doesn't exist.
[21:50] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: oh well, i'll give 1.3.0.1 a try then
[21:50] <DanaG> And that's for "INSTALL", not me doing make clean!
[21:50] <DanaG> why the heck do you need to "make clean" to install?  the source tree should already be clean!
[21:50] <DanaG> !fail TI
[21:50] <renton> fglrx                2352686  0
[21:51] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: nandroid, wipe, flash OE, (flash port if you need it for 32A), reboot
[21:51] <yofel> renton: then the module is working fine and I don't get why X says something different
[21:55] <monkey_dust> hi all - i am unable to launch ubuntu-one - all packages are installed - Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-client-applet" (No such file or directory) - hints & tips anyone?
[21:56] <topyli> monkey_dust, try #ubuntuone
[21:56] <monkey_dust> tnx
[21:57] <nishanth>  I have a problem with my volume controller (manual one) my ubuntu does not detect it after yesterday
[21:57] <nishanth> can someone help with this issue?
[21:58] <benkay86> Can anyone help me with Bug #556184?
[21:59] <bbordwell> benkay86, you should add a .txt extenstion to text files before you upload them to launchpad
[21:59] <benkay86> bbordwell: What does that accomplish?
[22:00] <bbordwell> benkay86, nvm i see it is compressed
[22:00] <bbordwell> benkay86, It allows you to just open it with the browser
[22:00] <bbordwell> benkay86, instead of downloading it and manualy clicking on it
[22:00] <benkay86> bbordwell: Sorry. Old habits die hard.
[22:01] <renton> yofel, I'm going to reinstall ubuntu.
[22:01] <renton> yofel, thanks for your help.
[22:01] <renton> vbundi, you too. Thanks a ton :)
[22:01] <bbordwell> benkay86, well if it is compressed that is fine, I just never see compressed text files
[22:02] <bbordwell> benkay86, I looked at it and I do not think that i can help though, i used to get the broken pipe message back in alpha2 but it still successfuly booted
[22:02] <yofel> compressed text files are pretty common in linux actually
[22:02] <bbordwell> yofel, yes i know, but i mean on launchpad
[22:02] <nishanth>  I have a problem with my volume controller (manual one) my ubuntu does not detect it after yesterday..can someone help with this issue?
[22:03] <benkay86> bbordwell: Back when that was happening to you, were you still able to use SysRQ to reboot?
[22:03] <yofel> bbordwell: oh there are, like sometimes you have a DpkgTermLog.gz as it would be too large uncompressed
[22:03] <benkay86> Since I can't, I'm contemplating the possibility that this has more to do with the kernel than upstart/mountall.
[22:03] <bbordwell> benkay86, Well the messages showed up but it still worked normaly so I am not sure
[22:03] <nishanth> aaargh someone.....
[22:03] <benkay86> bbordwell: In my case, the boot just hangs...
[22:04] <bbordwell> benkay86, just for fun have you tried booting with nosplash?
[22:04] <benkay86> bbordwell: I've been booting without splash, but I've not tried with nosplash. I'll try that now.
[22:04] <KenBW2> how do i swap to another desktop environment in lucid?
[22:05] <benkay86> KenBW2: "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[22:05] <yofel> KenBW2: which one?
[22:05] <benkay86> Or "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" to switch to Gnome.
[22:05] <benkay86> Once the other desktop is installed, you can remove the old one, e.g. "apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop"
[22:05] <yofel> benkay86: we have xfce and lxde too...
[22:05] <bbordwell> yofel, ah I do not usualy look at the apport attachments as they are not useful to me in triaging (usualy), more for the developers
[22:05] <KenBW2> benkay86, yofel: i've installed kubuntu-desktop, but GDM lacks the sessions menu
[22:06] <benkay86> yofel: I think of those more as window managers than desktops ;-)
[22:06]  * benkay86 Prepares for punishment.
[22:06] <benkay86> KenBW2: To switch login managers... how did it go.. something like "dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[22:06] <yofel> benkay86: lol, I can't argue there though as I haven't used them much
[22:07] <yofel> yeah, should be that
[22:07] <KenBW2> benkay86: cant i switch at login as with previous versions?
[22:07] <benkay86> bbordwell: Nope. nosplash doesn't change anything.
[22:07] <yofel> KenBW2: you *should* be able to
[22:07] <KenBW2> but
[22:08] <benkay86> KenBW2: With kdm? Yes, I'm certain you can.
[22:08] <KenBW2> benkay86: i use gdm
[22:08] <benkay86> KenBW2: Obviously, the other desktop environment has to be installed if you want to switch to it.
[22:08] <yofel> KenBW2: we had reports that some options in gdm are hard to read with the new theme
[22:08] <yofel> maybe you overlooked it?
[22:08] <KenBW2> yofel: im willing to entertain the possibility
[22:08] <KenBW2> ill try it now
[22:09] <yofel> if that doesn't work then something isn't properly installed or gdm is broken for him
[22:09] <benkay86> So... don't take this wrong way, but I've been trying to boot Lucid since Friday without success. Are there any other channels where it would be appropriate to ask about my bug?
[22:11] <yofel> benkay86: not sure, you did try sysrq+i where it get's stuck and init=/bin/bash ?
[22:12] <bbordwell> benkay86, Do you have any strange disk setup?
[22:13] <benkay86> yofel: "rw init=/bin/bash" works great (although it obviously doesn't let me boot all the way), and sysrq works fine in that environment. When it hangs during normal init, though, sysrq doesn't work, nor do the capslock and numlock lights on the keyboard.
[22:13] <benkay86> bbordwell: No. No encryption, just one ext4 partition and one swap partition. I've even tried commenting out all the lines in /etc/fstab (obviously this would cause issues later in init), but boot still hangs in the same spot.
[22:14] <yofel> hm...
[22:14] <yofel> could be that plymouth just freezes and causes a kernel panic
[22:14] <benkay86> I've also tried booting with various alterations to the kernel commandline, like "nomodeset" and "acpi=off" but to no avail.
[22:15] <benkay86> yofel: That's possible, but the kernel output I uploaded to the bug suggests mountall is to blame.
[22:15] <benkay86> yofel: is there a way to disable plymouth without breaking everything else?
[22:16] <Neomysis> Hi.. Anyone could help my with with tora and Mysql ??
[22:16] <topyli> benkay86, you can boot to single user mode and uninstall plymouth
[22:16] <yofel> benkay86: I'm not sure, as mountall now depends on it, you could try to ignore that and remove it with 'dpkg --remove --force-depends plymouth'
[22:16] <robin0800> benkay86: you can hit shift at boot time and get a grub menu
[22:17] <yofel> robin0800: we already passed that point long ago
[22:17] <Neomysis> Hi.. Anyone could help my with with tora and Mysql ??
[22:18] <yofel> benkay86: as I said, try to force remove it and see if that helps
[22:18] <benkay86> topyli, yofel: OK, I think a few other required components depend on plymouth to, but I'm getting to the point where I'm willing to try that...
[22:18] <robin0800> benkay86: remove quiet and splash?
[22:18] <benkay86> robin0800: Already done, but even without those options, plymouth still does some stuff in the background.
[22:18] <topyli> benkay86, not sure if something essential now depends on it. i used to remove plymouth all the tie
[22:18] <bbordwell> benkay86, have you tried an older livecd? if the older ones work perhaps you could find what upgrade causes the problem to appear
[22:19] <bbordwell> topyli, yes it is harder now than it used to be
[22:19]  * benkay86 rolls eyes
[22:19] <topyli> ah ok
[22:19] <benkay86> bbordwell: Have you any idea how much the boot process has changed since alpha?
[22:19] <topyli> benkay86, listen to people like bbordwell who actually know, not me :)
[22:19] <yofel> topyli, benkay86: the only package that has a hard dependency on plymouth is mountall, but right now it's broken anyway
[22:19] <bbordwell> topyli, You are about to do something potentially harmful.
[22:19] <bbordwell> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!
[22:19] <bbordwell> lol
[22:20] <topyli> hehehe
[22:20] <bbordwell> that is what it says when you try and remove it
[22:20] <topyli> brilliant :)
[22:20] <benkay86> Yes, I remember that fondly from when I did an old dist-upgrade from sysvinit to upstart.
[22:20]  * benkay86 waxes nostalgic
[22:20] <yofel> yes, as removing plymouth without --force-depends will remove mountall -> BAD
[22:20] <Berzerker> how do I rescan for networks?
[22:20] <benkay86> Well, give me a few minutes to get a chroot set up here. I'll give this a shot.
[22:21] <Neomysis> Hi.. Anyone could help my with with tora and Mysql ??
[22:22] <benkay86> Berzerker: Does "sudo iwlist wlan0" do anything?
[22:22] <Berzerker> benkay86: yeah I got it, thanks
[22:23] <Berzerker> hmm
[22:23] <Berzerker> any idea why my wireless USB adapter can't find networks with WPA2?
[22:24] <robin0800> Berzerker: is it compatable with wpa2?
[22:24] <benkay86> Berzerker: Not sure. Could it be your adapter uses a driver from staging?
[22:24] <Berzerker> robin0800: it should...not sure
[22:25] <Berzerker> I just plugged it in and loaded it up
[22:27] <Berzerker> hmm I can't even connect to any secured network, WEP or WPA
[22:29] <robin0800> Berzerker: it dosn't prompt  for a passphrase or key?
[22:30] <Berzerker> it does
[22:30] <Berzerker> but it never connects
[22:30] <nemo> sooo. are there any goodies that would make me want to shift to Lucid early?
[22:31] <nemo> no Evolution 2.30, so I'm disincentivised on that front.
[22:31] <Berzerker> I don't think that's a word lol
[22:31] <Berzerker> the new ambiance skin is nice though
[22:31] <Berzerker> and new icons, etc.
[22:31] <nonameNN> nemo: Im using it... it has some upgraded software comparing to 9.10... its stable enough for use... I didnt have any problems so far...
[22:32] <nemo> Berzerker: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disincentivise
[22:32] <yofel> nemo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview mostly
[22:32] <Berzerker> there's no form :P
[22:32] <Berzerker> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disincentivised
[22:32] <Berzerker> "-ised"
[22:32] <benkay86> OK, this so totally a kernel regression.
[22:33] <nemo> yofel: heh. default search engine changed to Yahoo! - that counts as a feature? )
[22:33] <nemo> :)
[22:33] <robin0800> Berzerker: have you checked the logs?
[22:33] <Berzerker> robin0800: no, where would they be
[22:33] <benkay86> Removing plymouth allowed the boot process to proceed further than before... but it still hangs after a certain amount of time.
[22:33] <yofel> nemo: well... yeah, somewhat
[22:33] <benkay86> Sometimes it hangs in the middle of outputting a line.
[22:33] <benkay86> Yet strangely, it never hanges with "rw init=/bin/bash"
[22:34] <nemo> yofel: hm. the ADS stuff sounds interesting. not sure I'll want to enable it on my work machine, but could be cool.
[22:34] <robin0800> benkay86: use the log viewer
[22:34]  * benkay86 Scratches head, considers sacrificing an old keyboard to Linux Torvalds.
[22:34] <nemo> maybe I'll try it briefly
[22:34] <benkay86> robin0800: Nothing is getting logged. At least, not since before I removed plymouth.
[22:34] <Berzerker> robin0800: hmm...it randomly detects WPA2 networks, but I can't connect to anything
[22:35] <yofel> robin0800: how is he support to use the log viewer without being able to boot?
[22:35] <yofel> *supposed
[22:35] <benkay86> yofel: Chroot, ls /var/log
[22:35] <robin0800> Berzerker: but what do the logs say?
[22:35] <benkay86> But the point is moot. Nothing is looged.
[22:35] <nemo> yofel: hm. nouveau is default. interesting. are there a list of cards nouveau 3d accel is enabled for?
[22:36] <nemo> I understand it is reasonably reliable on some
[22:36] <robin0800> nemo none
[22:36] <yofel> nemo: none, the driver in lucid only has 2d
[22:36] <nemo> ah. pity
[22:36] <Berzerker> robin0800: which log do I view
[22:36] <nemo> oh. driver doesn't even have 3d , so I wouldn't be able to enable it in xorg.conf even if I wanted to
[22:36] <yofel> nemo: you can get an updated driver from a X ppa that adds 3d support, haven't tested it myself though
[22:36] <nemo> oh well...
[22:37] <robin0800> Berzerker: any that mention trying to connect
[22:37] <nemo> eeep
[22:37] <nemo> no fglrx....
[22:37] <nemo> well. that rules out trying it here at work. I am not ready to give up playing around with webgl. and I like the compiz niftiness
[22:38] <nemo> not aware of any progress on 3d for FOSS ati driver anyway
[22:39] <yofel> hm, fglrx is *supposed* to work now, but I have heard quite a lot fglrx issues in here though
[22:39] <nemo> ah. so wiki is out of date
[22:39] <nemo> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc R700 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4000 Series]
[22:39] <Berzerker> robin0800: here's a pastebin http://pastebin.org/139406
[22:40] <nonameNN> nemo: check xorg ppa
[22:40] <nonameNN> nemo: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa there u will find lastest drivers for video cards... not that hard
[22:40] <nemo> 'k
[22:40] <nemo> nonameNN: my home machine is nvidia
[22:41] <nemo> and whenever I enabled compiz I'd have all kinds of performance issues in Hedgewars
[22:41] <nemo> I'm kind of curious if the nouveau 3d would work
[22:41] <randomusr> nemo: say what?
[22:42] <flawed> hello.
[22:42] <nonameNN> nemo: i think there are some opensource drivers being build... u can check them.... or just install propietary drivers...
[22:42] <nemo> randomusr: what?
[22:42] <nemo> nonameNN: right. I assumed that was what you were suggesting, was to try that ppa for nouveau w/ 3d
[22:42] <randomusr> why use nouveau?
[22:42] <flawed> any ideas on how I could get gnucash installed? it depends on slib for which there is no installation candidate
[22:42] <nemo> randomusr: well, mostly 'cause it is nice to see how the FOSS is progressing - being able to finally enable compiz would just be a nice bonus
[22:43] <randomusr> nemo: this is the one place I don't trust to anyone but the maker of the GPU
[22:43] <nemo> randomusr: well. they have been failing miserably so far
[22:43] <nemo> on both my computers
[22:44] <yofel> flawed: indeed, let me check
[22:44] <nemo> randomusr: but. yes, it is understandably risky
[22:44] <robin0800> Berzerker: lots of failures might be driver related?
[22:44] <nemo> although from the people in #nouveau apparently pretty safe on my nvidia card at home
[22:44] <Berzerker> could be, I just plugged it in and went
[22:44] <randomusr> nemo, what card do you have? who's the maker? what version of the driver are you using?
[22:44] <Berzerker> any suggestion on a new driver to install?
[22:44] <nemo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (rev a2)
[22:45] <nemo> randomusr: as for driver, I suppose whatever is default in Karmic
[22:45]  * nemo looks
[22:45] <flawed> dfdfdfq
[22:45] <randomusr> nemo: who's the make of the card?
[22:45] <nemo> oh. and the precise card, BFG
[22:46] <randomusr> nemo: what are the outputs on the card, and what cpu and chipset?
[22:46] <randomusr> nemo: are you using 10.04?
[22:46] <wnb> Radeon 5770 running ok in lucid ?
[22:46] <nemo> randomusr: Karmic, as noted
[22:46] <yofel> flawed: seems to have been removed in lucid for some reason, I'm trying to find out why
[22:46] <nemo> randomusr: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=geforce+9800+gt&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hl=en&cid=13947008312181886137&ei=Y6u7S9riN4rblgfEst2-CA&sa=title&ved=0CCUQ8wIwBTgA&os=tech-specs
[22:47] <flawed_> whoops. lost my client right after asking my question. sorry. :(
[22:47] <randomusr> nemo: chipset and cpu?
[22:47] <yofel> flawed_: slib seems to have been removed in lucid for some reason, I'm trying to find out why
[22:48] <nemo> randomusr: I don't know much further besides the page I linked you to.
[22:48] <nemo> randomusr: is that one insufficiently detailed?
[22:48] <randomusr> no, what motherboard and chipset are you using?
[22:48] <nemo> ah
[22:48] <randomusr> did you configure X with the nvidia-settings?
[22:49] <nemo> randomusr: no
[22:49] <nemo> hm
[22:49] <nemo> take that back
[22:49] <nemo> looks like "yes" :)
[22:49]  * nemo just checks his xorg.conf
[22:49] <nemo> would you like to see it?
[22:50] <randomusr> nemo: you put your latest and greatest system on testing software and you don't understand how it's configured?
[22:50] <nemo> randomusr: it isn't a latest and greatest system
[22:50] <randomusr> and wonder why it doesn't work?
[22:50] <nemo> is just my work-a-day machine at home
[22:50] <nemo> chill out
[22:50] <randomusr> I'm trying to understand the issue
[22:50] <nemo> randomusr: http://m8y.org/tmp/newdell.html - here you go. my first ever prebuilt machine, to support Dell's linux program
[22:51] <nemo> only changes made so far are to memory, power supply and graphics card - only replaced the latter 'cause the 7300 kinda died on me.
[22:51] <flawed_> yofel: ah, thanks. that'd be interesting.
[22:51] <nemo> randomusr: and. yes. I appreciate you trying to understand the issue. the odd part was the scorn you were injecting there. this is not some sort of gaming rig
[22:52] <nemo> I don't actually care that much about performance, just about hedgewars, a fairly wimpy game, not stuttering while compiz is enabled
[22:52] <randomusr> nemo: not scorn, just want to understand what the concern is
[22:53] <yofel> flawed_: bug 554746
[22:53] <randomusr> I'll be back later and help you figure it out if you're still here
[22:53] <nemo> sure
[22:53] <nemo> just ping me
[22:54] <flawed_> yofel: so, no reason why, but the package from karmic should do as a workaround. ok, thanks a lot!
[22:56] <benkay86> bbodrwell, topyli, yofel: I tried booting with various different kernels including 2.6.24 (the kernel used in Hardy, which is what the machine used to run). All of them exhibit the same bug.
[22:56] <benkay86> I'm reluctant to call this a kernel regression, since 2.6.24 didn't fix the problem.
[22:56] <benkay86> But what exactly is going on?
[22:57] <Berzerker> what's the easiest way to replace all the sources in my sources.list
[22:57] <Berzerker> lst*
[22:57] <Berzerker> I wanted to replace the ubuntu ones with anl.gov
[22:57] <topyli> i don't think it's a kernel bug, it's plymouth (then again, i'm inclined to say that since i've been bitten)
[22:57] <benkay86> topyli: Recall that I removed plymouth.
[22:58] <topyli> oh yeah
[22:58] <benkay86> (As much as I'd like to put the blame there.)
[22:58] <topyli> sorry, been away
[22:59] <yofel> the fact that init=/bin/bash works fine shows that it's something that gets loaded by upstart that causes this, but I'm not sure what...
[22:59] <yofel> you could try to edit the scripts in /etc/init/ and see what you don't exactly need to boot
[23:00] <benkay86> yofel: Indeed. I suppose I should mark Bug #556184 as invalid (or reassign it to upstart).
[23:00] <benkay86> yofel: I mean, after removing plymouth, I can't really make this installation any more minimal.
[23:01] <yofel> not invalid, but it's hard to know what fails like this...
[23:01] <benkay86> yofel: I suppose the notion is that, if I could get as far as a login prompt, it wouldn't freeze. But then my system would be at the mercy of bootup filesystem checks or a network interface that's slow to come up.
[23:01] <yofel> let me subscribe so I can find it again
[23:13] <vbundi> anyone else having issues with cups
[23:13] <vbundi> can't see any printers
[23:13] <randomusr_> nemo
[23:17] <odinsbane> vbundi I had a problem with the printer app taking a really long time.
[23:19] <odinsbane> I had to paste the ip addess in because it would lock up when there was a partial ip.
[23:19] <vbundi> odinsbane: I can't even see my printers in cups
[23:19] <flawed> is /mnt under control of some automounter, or am I free to mount filesystems there as I please?
[23:19] <vbundi> flawed: go nuts
[23:19] <flawed> vbundi: thanks
[23:20] <vbundi> flawed: fyi, automounted drives typically show up under /media/
[23:20] <odinsbane> vbundi: I didn't search for them, I just used the ip address.
[23:21] <vbundi> odinsbane: mine are being shared by by a samba server so they are being broadcast though
[23:23] <odinsbane> vbundi: when you search is there a python server applet running?
[23:23] <odinsbane> vbundi: or does the applet seem to lock up?
[23:24] <vbundi> I was searching through the cups web UI
[23:24] <vbundi> odinsbane: I do see that I have system-config-printer/applet.py running though
[23:25] <vbundi> I'll mess with it tomorrow I suppose
[23:25] <vbundi> nite nite
[23:44] <LinuxGuy2009> Is it normal to have auto login to ask for login password? Doesnt that defeat the purpose of autologin?
[23:44] <LinuxGuy2009> Thats what my netbook does.
[23:44] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: not really
[23:45] <LinuxGuy2009> Not really? its not supposed to ask for my password or it is?
[23:45] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: you can set an empty password for gnome keyring
[23:46] <LinuxGuy2009> I dont remeber and previouse releases requiring password if I set autologin.
[23:46] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: your keyring is encrypted with your password to protect all the confidential data you have there stored. autologin doesn't know your password so it can't unlock it
[23:46] <benkay86> yofel: I got it to boot!
[23:47] <LinuxGuy2009> Yeah Im sorry but that doesnt really explain if this is a bug or a feature that was changed which is really what I need to know I guess.
[23:47] <yofel> benkay86: how that?
[23:47] <LinuxGuy2009> No previouse versions have done that
[23:47] <benkay86> I've inteded for the machine to be headless from the start, but I've had a monitor connected to it for debugging purposes.
[23:48] <benkay86> In Hardy the video card has always been buggy, and with Lucid I noticed that the border around the BIOS post screen changes from lines to some weird German character right before the system hangs.
[23:48] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: it's not a bug
[23:48] <BUGabundo> that's it
[23:48] <BUGabundo> 'buggy' is out of my hightligh
[23:48] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: if you don't want to unlock your keyring you have to set blank password for it
[23:48] <benkay86> So I thought: hmm, maybe it's an issue with the onboard graphics card.
[23:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: :*
[23:49] <benkay86> So I blacklisted all the framebuffer modules and all the modules specific to my graphics card... and now I can boot and login over a serial console!
[23:49] <BUGabundo> there
[23:49] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: hit me
[23:49] <benkay86> (Simply booting without a monitor plugged in doesn't help.)
[23:49] <benkay86> yofel: Cool, huh?
[23:49] <yofel> benkay86: wtf...
[23:49] <LinuxGuy2009> So autologin does not autologin. Thats nice.
[23:49] <benkay86> yofel: Yeah, it's some old crap hardware, but it always worked under Hardy.
[23:50] <benkay86> yofel: So, technically this is a regression, but now there's a workaround. Any suggestions on how this should appear in bugland?
[23:50] <DanaG> Better idea for network connecting at auto-login:
[23:50] <DanaG> go to nm-connection-editor, and check "available to all users"
[23:51] <benkay86> yofel: My graphics card: http://pastebin.com/jFu48n0Y
[23:53] <LinuxGuy2009> Message Im getting with autologin is "The login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer. Then prompts for password. This is normal?
[23:54] <yofel> benkay86: ok, I would reassign the bug to 'xserver-xorg-video-openchrome' first
[23:54] <DanaG> LinuxGuy2009: try setting "available to all users" on that connection.
[23:55] <LinuxGuy2009> DanaG: What connection?
[23:55] <DanaG> is it wifi that's asking for keyring password?
[23:55] <DanaG> or is it some other gnome-keyring-using thing?
[23:55] <LinuxGuy2009> DanaG: No just the Ubuntu autologin feature.
[23:55] <yofel> benkay86: and then you should somehow run 'apport-collect <bugnumber>', if you can do that over ssh, as it will at least once try to open the launchpad webpage to get approval to access your profile
[23:55] <DanaG> Why is it wanting to unlock the keyring?
[23:56] <DanaG> It should only want to unlock if there's something it needs from the keyring.
[23:56] <LinuxGuy2009> DanaG: No idea.
[23:56] <matmatmat> hi
[23:56] <benkay86> yofel: So, it turns out I only need to blacklist vesafb. Is xserver-xorg-video-openchrome still the right package to file against?
[23:56] <LinuxGuy2009> DanaG: Thinking of filing a bug cause no other previouse releases have asked for a password when autoligin is set. It totally defeats the purpose.
[23:57] <DanaG> hmm, previous releases HAVE asked me for passwords before.
[23:57] <LinuxGuy2009> Ive been using 9.04 since release and has never asked for password.
[23:57] <matmatmat> i cant watch my multicast rtp streams anymore in lucid
[23:57] <benkay86> yofel: Sorry, that's viafb.
[23:57] <LinuxGuy2009> Im filing a bug report
[23:58] <LinuxGuy2009> I would imagine GDM is the package to file that under right?
[23:58] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: how does it defeat the purpose of autologin?
[23:58] <DanaG> I think the bug already exists.
[23:58] <matmatmat> how can i tell if any multicast packets reach the machine at all?
[23:58] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: there is no bug I can think of
[23:58] <alazyworkaholic> Skype (static) doesn't pick up input from my microphone. Sounds - Input also doesn't register any sound in. However, Sound & Video - Sound Recorder works without any trouble. Any idea what the problem may be?
[23:58] <DanaG> !info wireshark
[23:58] <ninjai> Guy, in lucid how do you access ubuntu one??? I had it working in 9.04 or 9.10..
[23:59] <LinuxGuy2009> How does it not defeat the purpose of autologin?
[23:59] <yofel> benkay86: ah, hm... then assign it to the kernel ("linux"), they will know better where it needs to be assigned to
[23:59] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: if you have a password set for the keyring and some applications tries to use it you have to unlock it. It has always worked this way
[23:59] <kklimonda> LinuxGuy2009: you can set a blank password for the keyring and the unlock prompt won't show up (because there won't be anything to unlock)
[23:59] <benkay86> yofel: OK. Thanks a ton for all your help. I'm going to have to disconnect for now so I can fiddle with the now-bootable machine.
[23:59] <LinuxGuy2009> Ive been on 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 and have never asked this.