[00:15] RAOF: Nice as well. [00:15] rickspencer3: hey there. [00:16] hey TheMuso [00:16] RAOF: nice job with F-spot [00:16] I'm about to step out, but will be online a bit later I think [00:16] We managed to make it down to Clifton Gardens on Sunday and walk around neatly in between downpours. :) [00:16] * fagan used it over the weekend and loved it [00:16] heh nice [00:16] fagan: Excellent! [00:17] the viewer mode is really handy [00:17] As much as many people might disagree with me, I was hoping that it would rain more. [00:17] TheMuso: come to ireland then [00:17] :) [00:17] We rain a lot [00:18] heh === bfiller_afk is now known as bfiller [00:30] is 05_locking_for_compiz.patch supposed to still be in our gnome-screensaver patch series? it was fixed years ago apparently, i think it might have just been brought along accidentally because its relevant on hardy [00:31] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488264 -- thats the bug for it [00:31] Gnome bug 488264 in general "keybord grab problem under compiz" [Normal,Resolved: notgnome] [00:56] TheMuso, morning :) [00:58] Hey nigelb. [00:58] TheMuso, I tried the patch in bug 534190, but it didn't really work for me :( thoughts? [00:58] Launchpad bug 534190 in speech-dispatcher "module (config.py) in python-speechd breaks python's help system" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534190 [00:59] nigelb: right, I will look at that bug a bit later. I am busy going through mail from the weekend. [00:59] sure :) [00:59] since you're on there. I just wanted to let you know :) [01:00] yep ok [01:15] Sarvatt: That was fixed in xorg ages ago [05:15] TheMuso, hey [05:15] what's up with bug #477226 ? [05:15] Launchpad bug 477226 in linux "Sound simultaneously on headphones and speakers - Lenovo IdeaPad u350" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477226 [05:17] rickspencer3: the built in microphoen is still not working for people .I need to go back into the code and see whats up. Haven't got to it yet, and it slipped off my radar. WIll take a look at trying to solve it. [05:18] TheMuso, np [05:18] is it still High importance do you think? [05:19] rickspencer3: Possibly, because the internal microphone is still likely to be used by people. [05:19] ok [05:19] thanks TheMuso [05:19] ttyt [05:19] np [05:39] TheMuso: 0x1a needs to be VREF'd appropriately depending on the presence of 0x1b; you could probably do that in cxt5066_ideapad_automic() based on a switch/case if you don't feel like adding a separate function for the u350 [05:40] I'm doing something similar for the new Sony VAIOs in the Realtek case [05:40] anyhoo, ->work === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [05:51] crimsun: ah ok thanks. [06:16] crimsun: hrm how would I identify the U350 from the U150 the patch was written for initially? or would the 150 also need the same change? [06:51] Good morning [06:51] Good morning [06:53] Morning pitti. [06:56] what ever, [06:56] I've been trying to send to the mail list for the past four days no luck [06:57] I got a message some cerimanl killing it with score 3.7 [06:58] !help [06:58] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [06:58] !op [06:58] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - elky, Madpilot, tritium, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, jpds, gnomefreak, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia! [07:53] I've been trying to send to the mail list for the past four days no luck [07:54] I got a message some cerimanl killing it with score 3.7 [08:08] good morning [08:14] didrocks: Aloha! [08:15] hey RAOF, how are you? [08:16] Pretty good. [08:16] Although it's getting dark here now. Daylight savings has ended. I'm slipping out of the future! [08:16] bonjour didrocks, hey RAOF [08:17] guten morgen pitti [08:17] found some nice easter eggs? :-) [08:18] Not so much. Just a couple. And they got eaten perhaps a couple of days early :) [08:20] pitti: not really, help my browser moving all those 3 days. Travelled more than 22 hours by train and truck. And, as he was at the 5th floor, I can hardly walk: my legs are totally broken :( [08:20] pitti: and you? found some? ;) [08:20] your _browser_? [08:21] brother :) [08:21] didrocks: urgh, that sounds stressful [08:21] didrocks: was nice for me, lots of hiking, family, bowling, and eating :) [08:21] not stressful, tiring rather ;) [08:21] good [08:21] not to much chocolate over the week-end? === zyga-nc10 is now known as zyga [08:32] pitti: desrt needed zeromq sync from debian to have some easier work on dconf from lucid. It's a new package which could be synced from lucid. What do you think about it? (bug #553858) [08:32] Launchpad bug 553858 in ubuntu "[FFe] please pull zeromq from debian" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553858 [08:33] didrocks: can you please reopen it with that rationale? [08:35] pitti: sure, done :) [08:36] I've been trying to send to the mail list for the past four days no luck [08:36] I got a message some cerimanl killing it with score 3.7 [08:43] Damascene: please, first this isn't a place to discuss email problems, and second you didn't even say which mailing list you were sending to [08:53] pitti, ubuntu-desktop [08:53] darn, managed to get a fix for the clutter apps segfaulting xserver when they are closed that doesn't involve completely dropping the glx 1.4 backports but it's breaking quadrapassel (which was already pretty broken). it's up here if anyone wants to give it a shot - https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugfixes/+sourcepub/1036476/+listing-archive-extra [10:06] hello everyone [10:07] hey chris [10:07] hey chrisccoulson [10:07] hey chrisccoulson, salut seb128 [10:08] hey seb128, how are you? did you have a good weekend? [10:08] hey didrocks [10:08] lut didrocks [10:08] chrisccoulson, I'm good thank you, had an excellent weekend [10:08] I'm fighting the 800+ bug emails in my inbox for 2 hours now [10:09] heh, i've not looked in my inbox just yet [10:09] same here (just 500, but it's enough already :)) :) [10:09] chrisccoulson, didrocks: did you guys have a good weekend too? [10:10] seb128 - yeah, it was quite relaxing. we had some family round on sunday, but i didn't do very much really [10:10] i did change the tracker packaging quite a bit yesterday afternoon though [10:10] seb128: well, tiring one. Help me brother moving. More than 22 hours in train/truck during the 3 days and he was on the 5th floor. Consequently, no more leg, can hardly walk :) [10:11] s/me/my [10:12] didrocks, so happy to be back to the computer? ;-) [10:12] seb128: oh, more than happy indeed :-) [10:12] didrocks - no elevator to the 5th floor? [10:12] chrisccoulson: no :( [10:13] 3500 kgs of stuff for 4 people is quite a lot at the end of the week-end :-) [10:13] * didrocks looks forward to next week-end to do *nothing* TBH [10:35] hey seb128, good morning chrisccoulson [10:35] hey pitti [10:36] had a good week end too? [10:36] seb128: yes, very relaxing; we went for a nice hike, some bowling, and meeting some friends [10:36] and my cold is much better [10:38] pitti: why does Apport refuse to report crashes from abort()? [10:39] kklimonda|G1, i'm going to upload an updated gnome-screensaver package to my PPA shortly. i would appreciate you testing it when you get the chance to see if it solves bug 555870 for you [10:39] Launchpad bug 555870 in gnome-screensaver "Gamma values are not being set properly after a second fade out resulting in a black screen" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555870 [10:39] sometimes some daemon is crashing, and it says it doesn't want to file the bug, which is a little disappoiting ;-) [10:39] milanbv: usually they come from assertion violations [10:39] milanbv: for standard C assert macro and glib's g_assert_* stuff it is able to capture the actual assertion message, and sends a report [10:40] chrisccoulson: will do it tonight, thanks for looking at it. [10:40] milanbv: but for programs which implement assertions for themselves, we can't grab the assertion message, thus the crash report would be useless [10:41] pitti: for PP upload rights do i need endorsements from people who has worked on this package with me or from any developers who has worked with me? [10:41] pitti: here I have forced reporting a desktopcouch-service abortion, and the stacktrace contains: [10:41] assertion failed: ((int) res != INCOMPLETE)") [10:41] which I think can be enough, isn't it? [10:41] at least, if people report this, it's better than opening an empty report... [10:51] ok, down to 17 unread bug emails [11:05] pitti - would you be able to spare some time this week to remove some mozilla extensions from the archive for me? :) [11:19] chrisccoulson: yes, that's on my list; in fact, I was going to do it right now :) [11:20] pitti - excellent, thanks :) [11:20] so, the removal list is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list [11:20] the extensions that need removing have "Remove" in the action column [11:20] chrisccoulson: this stuff needs to go from app-install-data as well then, could you mail me the names of the removal or ask someone in the mozilla team to update the app-install-data branch? [11:21] mvo - that someone in the mozillateam will probably be me ;) [11:21] yeah, i will do that too, thanks for pointing that out (i would have overlooked that otherwise) [11:23] chrisccoulson: cool, thanks [11:24] chrisccoulson: I wondered why you kept livehttpheaders ? [11:24] chrisccoulson: or mozilla-noscript? [11:26] any one can contact the owner of the mail list? [11:26] pitti - i think asac requested mozilla-noscript [11:27] pitti - and livehttpheaders falls in to the "popular with users according to popcon" category, but i'm quite indifferent about that one tbh [11:27] i'm ok with removing that [11:28] chrisccoulson: are yo rtemoving those extensions only for lifeless TheMuso s? [11:28] o.o [11:29] kklimonda|G1, i'm not sure i understand the question [11:29] chrisccoulson: are you removing those extensions only for LTS? [11:30] kklimonda|G1, we're removing them permanently, starting with the LTS [11:30] damn - i really like the ability to install all my extensions using apt-get [11:31] kklimonda|G1, it's quite easy to install them from a.m.o though (and we're only removing ones that are easy to install) [11:31] kenvandine: hey, did you see https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sune-keller/empathy/fix-533857/+merge/22762 ? (Not urgent, just not sure if LP will have mailed you) [11:31] kklimonda|G1, the issue with the extensions is that they are going to become a maintenance burden in the future when we start tracking major firefox versions in stable releases [11:32] chrisccoulson: ok, removed, blacklisted, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/extension-list updated [11:32] so we want to keep the number to an absolute minimum [11:32] much more green now :) [11:32] pitti - excellent, thanks :) [11:32] chrisccoulson: please feel free to reiterate and remove more :) [11:33] pitti - no worries. i'm sure the list will be under constant review, as debian package more extensions [11:33] chrisccoulson: (e. g. our enigmail is currently totally broken, and stumbleupon/livehttpheaders/etc. might go as well) [11:33] and webdeveloper [11:33] the addons management in firefox is quite good, after all [11:34] pitti - yeah, i was planning to update stumbleupon. i don't want to remove that, as that's quite a popular and well maintained extensions [11:34] and the webdeveloper addon is broken due to a debian change [11:34] they change the maximum version number to 3.5.x :-/ [11:36] kenvandine: ah, just seen you assigned the bug to yourself yesterday, sorry for the noise === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:12] hi mvo, when you've got some time, do you think you could look at bug 430926? It's about making the friendly-recovery package using the translations, and kelemengabor submitted a branch for the fix already [12:12] Launchpad bug 430926 in friendly-recovery "friendly recovery does not use and has probably never used provided translations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430926 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:16] dpm: thanks, looking [13:17] gnargh! [13:17] I'm so filing a bug [13:17] someone moved the buttons around on the windows [13:17] I keep maximising instead of closing! [13:19] Keybuk: you mean, the close button on the extreme right? [13:19] extreme left [13:21] Keybuk: yeah, extreme left, sorry. Yeah, that's either in the bug report or in mark's blog post. That's an sabdfl's decision in any case. [13:22] thanks mvo! [13:25] dpm: hey, I've repushed a new version in my quickly translation import branch. Can you ping the LP guys to know why autoimport doesn't work? [13:28] didrocks, done pinging, let me come back to you when they give us an answer [13:28] dpm: awesome, thanks! [13:45] james_w, no worries, i hadn't gotten an email but did get an irc ping [13:45] \o/ clutter app close xserver segfaults fully fixed here on 4 machines, the quadrapassel artifacts I was seeing were just with xorg-edgers packages [13:46] kenvandine: cool [13:47] Sarvatt, waouh! [13:47] njpatel, ^ [13:51] didrocks, the template seems to have been imported now. Not sure what happened but the repush might have done the trick -> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/quickly/0.x/+imports [13:53] dpm: sweet! Let's hope than autoexport will work the same. I'll keep you in touch! [13:53] hey james_w [13:53] didrocks, :) [13:54] salut didrocks [13:58] btw are you guys targetting UNE to intel netbooks? you may want to consider exporting CLUTTER_VBLANK=none globally because apparently its using glXGetVideoSyncSGI which is insanely slow on intel and GLX_SGI_swap_control isn't being advertised for some reason.. it makes my system on the order of 10x slower having mutter or netbook-launcher open with wait_video_sync blanking [13:58] re, empathy is crashy lately :-( [13:59] trying to look into getting GLX_SGI_swap_control advertised again [13:59] njpatel: you have more knowledge than I on that… ^ [14:01] mvo: do you have any hints on how to reproduce #540790 [14:01] mvo: mmm, maybe I could remove all the keys... [14:01] mvo: but that wouldn't make it possible to test the actual fix (inconsistent repo -> update -> consistent repo) [14:02] zyga: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.gpg [14:02] zyga: that will make all packages unauthenticated [14:02] mvo: thanks, I'll check it out [14:10] didrocks, I also noticed that on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickly/quickly/trunk/files/head%3A/data/templates/ubuntu-pygame/help/po/ the tutorial might not be imported because it lacks the .pot extension. (or at least that's why I believe it hasn't been imported) [14:12] dpm: oh right, I have to bzr add after releasing (as the .pot is generated from the xml built at build-time). Thanks! :) [14:12] hello [14:13] salut baptistemm [14:19] mvo: AptdaemonBackend.reload() would be enough to do 'apt-get update' in background/ [14:20] zyga: yes, that should work [14:29] no chance of getting GLX_SGI_swap_control exposed with our xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver versions in lucid, darn [14:41] Sarvatt, sorry, didn't see didrocks ping [14:41] Sarvatt, didrocks: running CLUTTER_VBLANK=none with netbook launcher shouldn't cause any issues [14:42] However having it global will effect Mutter-based stuff (well, shell :) when viewing videos etc, though I don't know how bad it'll be [14:42] njpatel: I saw you told that with < karmic. Is it still true with karmic and lucid version? Shall we use that in the session file? [14:42] didrocks, having it local to netbook-launcher would be the way to go, yeah [14:42] njpatel: ok, so only for netbook-launcher would make sense [14:42] njpatel: will do that if you think it won't hurt too badly the netbook-launcher visual effects [14:43] (as it deactivates some, right?) [14:43] didrocks, it won't, I don't think we do anything intense enough for it to cause any artefacts [14:44] njpatel: sweet! will do so :) [14:46] good morning all [14:47] hey rickspencer3 [14:47] how are you? [14:47] okay [14:47] je suis fatigue [14:47] oh ? [14:48] I've been trying to send to the mail list for the past four days no luck [14:48] I got a message some cerimanl killing it with score 3.7 [14:48] rickspencer3, ah oui, les états-unis avait pas de weekend ralongé [14:49] mmmm [14:49] non [14:49] les etats-unis avait pas de weekend normal [14:50] "avait un weekend"? [14:50] ie you had a normal 2 days weekend? [14:50] oui [14:50] * seb128 hugs you [14:51] j'ai travaille juni [14:51] * seb128 hugs rickspencer3 [14:51] rather [14:51] "lundi" [14:51] nice break seb128? [14:51] was great to have a long weekend [14:51] yes! [14:51] good [14:51] I needed it after the previous crazy weeks [14:51] I'm pretty good today ;-) [14:51] good to hear [14:52] I almost finish dealing with the weekend backlog and tuesday paperwork [14:52] I have no crazy things to add to your liest [14:52] list, even [14:52] good ;-) [15:02] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [15:02] hi pitti [15:02] I am quite well [15:02] how are you? [15:02] was the break good? [15:02] rickspencer3: I'm great; cold is much better, and 4 days break was very relaxing; we went hiking with the family, some bowling, meeting some old friends, etc. [15:03] and some bug triaging, pitti? ;) [15:03] rickspencer3: just a little :) [15:03] well, whatever relaxes you, I suppose ;) [15:03] I caught up on some Debian stuff, and wanted to cut a first dent into my mailbox yesterday [15:03] oh, that's great [15:06] ccheney, good morning [15:07] ccheney, I see you have bug #450569 with some open bug tasks [15:07] Launchpad bug 450569 in docvert "package openoffice.org-emailmerge 1:3.0.1-9ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450569 [15:07] are you planning more work there? [15:31] rickspencer3: its only open under docvert and doesn't really need to be fixed afaik [15:32] rickspencer3: the part assigned to me was already fixed for lucid anyway [15:32] ccheney, well, are the other tasks going to get fixed? [15:32] if not, can we "won't fix" them? [15:32] basically, I'm tired of this bug showing up in our Release Critical bug list :) [15:32] rickspencer3: people keep playing with the status of them [15:33] rickspencer3: i'm trying to look to see if it was considered fixed before, looking through the lists of status changes [15:33] rickspencer3: the only open tasks aren't listed as release critical [15:33] but mitch fixed the part of the status for OOo that someone was messing with [15:34] the only way we can fix this long term is if someone on the launchpad team makes it so that random lp users can't change the status of bugs after they are marked fixed [15:34] ccheney: speaking of OOo, could you please check #556348 ? it contains a fix as well [15:34] i often get people going by and changing status of bugs (not usually for RC bugs) without even commenting on them [15:34] mvo: looking [15:38] mvo: ok will add that back, i think it must have gotten dropped during a merge and/or when looking at the deps for the other pre-dep rc bug, not really sure [15:39] ccheney: ok, thanks for adding it back [15:58] Good morning [15:59] hey Nafai [15:59] Hey didrocks [16:02] hey Nafai [16:02] hey Nafai [16:03] Hi everyone :) [16:17] hi Nafai [16:20] kenvandine, rickspencer3: any troubles in the release team meeting? and thanks for covering [16:21] pitti, nope [16:30] kenvandine, how's the giwbber refactoring going? [16:35] rickspencer3, pretty frustrating, let me comment more at the meeting [16:35] kenvandine, ack [16:35] kenvandine, would another person working on it help you? [16:36] doubt it... [16:36] unless it was someone with a magical answer :) [16:37] * Nafai gets out his crystal ball === kklimonda|G1 is now known as kklimonda [17:06] pitti, how did you fix the vino color issue? [17:07] seb128_: removed the "gtk-tooltip" style from that status bar [17:07] now it uses the same colors as the rest of the fialog [17:07] dialog [17:07] pitti, hum, k, I was not sure if it was there for a reason and reluctant to drop it [17:07] which is much less prone to damage from themes, at least [17:07] let's see how it goes [17:07] well, it should really be a GtkStatusBar, but that'd be new code [17:08] right [17:08] did you forget to push your change btw? [17:08] seb128_: I didn't push it at all -- no Vcs-Bzr: [17:08] is there a branch for it? [17:09] standard lp:~ubuntu-desktop/vino/ubuntu [17:09] Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/vino [17:09] hmm [17:09] seb128_: ok, I'll reject the upload, and reupload with fixed vcs-* [17:09] pitti, thanks [17:13] seb128_: done [17:14] pitti, thanks [17:14] hum [17:17] wow my annoying desktop loses several minutes a week it seems [17:19] * ccheney runs ntp hoping it works better [17:19] too bad ntpdate doesn't run except on startup, i never reboot [17:21] james_w, I'm not sure I like bzr reviews on launchpad :p [17:21] seb128_: why's that? [17:21] james_w, I just noticed that you were discussing this g-s-d change there but the bug side gets no update about that [17:22] those comments are interesting and should be in the bug [17:22] yeah, it's frustrating the other way too [17:23] I'm wondering if also I should be getting emails about this review [17:23] since I'm subscribed the ubuntu package on launchpad [17:23] hmm [17:23] I get the bugs and comments about those but not the review comments [17:24] you are subscribed to the bugs for the package [17:24] which means I'm somewhat tracking what's happening there but not quite [17:24] but there's a separate subscription for the code review [17:24] hum [17:24] k [17:24] and LP currently has no concept of subscribing to the package as a whole [17:24] I need to think about what how I would like it to be working [17:24] we can get you subscribed to all the code review [17:24] I don't like how it works now ;-) [17:24] yeah [17:25] no thanks [17:25] we can certainly get you more emaill :-) [17:25] lol [17:25] I think I will be fine without that thank you [17:25] I think I would suggest that review comments should be available on the bug concerned too [17:26] though I'm not sure that would be right either [17:27] james_w, thanks for reviewing that change btw ;-) [17:27] np [17:28] I'll be sure to speak to you about GNOME changes that come in as code reviews [17:28] that's ok, I don't want to create extra work for you [17:28] and now that I know comments might be going in the review I will watch for those ;-) [17:30] team meeting time? === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [17:31] rickspencer3, yes [17:31] * tseliot nods [17:31] * ArneGoetje waves [17:31] o/ [17:31] here [17:32] ArneGoetje, bryce_, ccheney, chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, Nafai, pitti, Riddell, seb128, tkamppeter, tseliot [17:32] hi [17:32] who am I missing? [17:32] hi [17:32] o/ [17:32] o/ [17:32] seb128: bug 556656 [17:32] two things before start [17:32] Launchpad bug 556656 in launchpad-code "Code reviews and bugs silo comments" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556656 [17:32] hi [17:32] hi [17:32] james_w, thanks [17:32] hi [17:32] 1. Hi Nafai - welcome to your first team meeting! [17:33] * tseliot waves [17:33] Yay! Thanks. [17:33] all Nafai started last Thursday [17:33] he'll be working with didrocks on UNE in 10.10, and also I am hoping on some application developer focused areas [17:33] (and if something else interests him as well) [17:33] Nafai, what's you real name, and why "Nafai"? [17:34] Travis Hartwell; back when I started with IRC in the 90's the network I was on 'travis' was taken, so I chose a name from some books I was reading at the time. The Homecoming series by Orson Scott Card [17:34] It's kind of stuck [17:34] kewl [17:35] Nafai, based in Utah, USA, correct? [17:35] Yes [17:35] excellent [17:35] Nafai, pitti is your tech lead for the rest of 10.04 [17:35] seb128, will be fore 10.10, we'll have a call soon [17:35] ok [17:35] but anyone here will be glad to help you with anything, i am sure [17:36] * pitti puts on the "No, I won't fix your computer!" T-shirt [17:36] * tseliot nods [17:36] hehe [17:36] welcome Nafai ;) [17:36] okay, except for pitti anyone will help with anything [17:36] ;) [17:36] ;-) [17:37] also before we start, I think kenvandine won't be able to join us this morning, so we'll skip his parts and pick them up in the Eastern Edition if he is available then [17:37] let's rock [17:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-04-06 [17:37] Riddell, kubuntu update? [17:37] * beta 2 in good shape but some issues with installer in current images means rebuild needed [17:37] * http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 15 milestoned bugs. three have fixes committed. if current fix rate continues we should be all fixed up before release [17:37] that's it, very quick this week :) [17:38] thanks Riddell [17:38] next is 10.10 blueprints [17:38] yeah! [17:38] time to start seriously thinking about 10.10 and what you want to accomplish there [17:39] for the first step, I would like everyone to generate a list of blueprints they want to bring to UDS [17:39] note that the requirement is just for a *list* [17:39] writing the blueprints will be the next phase [17:39] I'd like everyone to have a list by the next team meeting [17:39] isn't writing done at UDS? [17:39] s/at/after/ [17:40] Riddell, well, yes and no [17:40] but the stubs and summary should be there before [17:40] we need that for scheduling/planning [17:40] I expect there to be good thought put into them before they are accepted and such [17:40] the actual meat (wiki page/work items) are after UDS [17:40] Riddell, but I get your point [17:40] I guess rather than "written" I should have said "registered" [17:41] now, I am betting some of the newer folks are thinking "wtf?" [17:41] no worries [17:41] :) [17:41]