| * slangasek starts posting ISOs for everyone's smoketesting enjoyment | 03:42 | |
| ara | good morning all! | 07:23 |
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| * ara syncs | 07:23 | |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:59 |
| ara | morning davmor2! | 11:01 |
| primes2h | morning ara, we are ready to test Beta2 ;-) | 11:07 |
| ara | primes2h, morning! great! :-) | 11:08 |
| primes2h | ara: BTW, we prepared a wiki page about zsync, in our opinion this could replace the rsync one, .zsync files are into ISO images archives. | 11:13 |
| primes2h | http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FabioMarconi/prove2 | 11:13 |
| dholbach | hola | 11:14 |
| primes2h | ara: hold on, I'm reading you email... | 11:15 |
| primes2h | ara: you mention dl-ubuntu-test-iso script. | 11:21 |
| ara | hey dholbach :) | 11:21 |
| ara | primes2h, yes, dl-ubuntu-test-iso is a script that uses zsync (or rsync if zsync is not installed) | 11:21 |
| ara | primes2h, your wiki page is OK. You can mention the script there in a subsection | 11:22 |
| primes2h | ara: I just need to update the script in it because I saw it has been updated in the rsync wiki page. | 11:23 |
| primes2h | ara: and I'll mention that other script as well | 11:23 |
| primes2h | ara: thank you very much. :-) | 11:26 |
| ara | primes2h, thanks to you! | 11:26 |
| persia | There's also the ubucdimage script from the ubumirror package. We probably ought pool all the scripts and have one known good one that is flexible enough to meet needs. | 11:27 |
| ara | persia, I don't know about that script, but the dl-ubuntu-test-iso is well maintained by sbeattie, rewritten recently in python and widely used by the qa team | 11:30 |
| persia | I figured as much, which is why I mention the other, which is the current recommendation to mirrors. I suspect that there exists an opportunity for integration. | 11:30 |
| ara | persia, agree | 11:31 |
| primes2h | ara: When wiki page will be finished, could I replace the old one? | 11:32 |
| primes2h | or it's better to wait? | 11:33 |
| ara | primes2h, where is the original one? | 11:33 |
| primes2h | ara: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage | 11:34 |
| primes2h | linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO | 11:34 |
| ara | primes2h, I agree, but do not delete the old page, as there might be other people pointing at it | 11:35 |
| ara | primes2h, you can update the old one with a note "zsync is a better system now, bla, bla, bla" and pointing to the new one, but keeping the old contents as well | 11:36 |
| primes2h | ara: I can create a new one, linked from the ISO page. | 11:36 |
| ara | primes2h, yes, I think it is safer, but you can add the note to the old one as well | 11:37 |
| primes2h | ara: and link it from the old one as well | 11:37 |
| primes2h | yes | 11:37 |
| primes2h | :-) | 11:37 |
| ara | :) | 11:37 |
| * ara hugs primes2h | 11:37 | |
| persia | The wiki also supports #redirect if you want to just auto-forward a page that has external references | 11:40 |
| primes2h | ara: :-) | 11:45 |
| primes2h | persia: I think it would be nice. | 11:46 |
| primes2h | persia: new zsync page has all info about rsync as the old one | 11:46 |
| persia | I know. But that's still more complicated than having ubucdimage in a crontab for now :) | 11:46 |
| primes2h | so we just need a redirect from rsync to zsync. | 11:47 |
| persia | Oh, right. Yeah, look into #redirect in the moin help | 11:47 |
| primes2h | ara: what do you think? | 11:47 |
| ara | primes2h, it looks good to me | 11:48 |
| primes2h | persia: I'll have a look at ubucdimage. | 11:49 |
| primes2h | :-) | 11:49 |
| * primes2h -> lunch | 11:50 | |
| fader_ | schwuk, davmor2: Hey dudes, how was the long weekend? | 13:15 |
| schwuk | fader_: nice and long :) How was your short weekend? :) | 13:16 |
| fader_ | schwuk: Way too short :/ | 13:17 |
| davmor2 | fader_: Sound thanks how's you? | 13:38 |
| fader_ | davmor2: Hanging in there :) | 13:46 |
| davmor2 | I'm sure we can put an end to that for you ;) | 13:47 |
| cr3 | davmor2: what's that word you use to describe a "slacker"... other than "fader", of course, it sounded more British :) | 13:50 |
| davmor2 | cr3: fader_ is more of a general testing localisation for being a sciving git, | 13:53 |
| cr3 | davmor2: aha, I think "sciving" is the word I was looking for! | 13:53 |
| fader_ | I prefer to be called a "derelict" or "goldbricker", thanks | 13:54 |
| * persia doesn't see how those terms are synonyms | 13:54 | |
| cr3 | persia: both of them are irresponsible, I guess | 13:55 |
| persia | Why is a derelict irresponsible? | 13:55 |
| persia | I'd say more the result of irresponsibility, but with no implication of the current state of affairs. | 13:56 |
| davmor2 | persia: sounds like fader_ to me :D | 13:57 |
| persia | But it's *different* than goldbricking, which is the practice of setting things aside to look lovely, at the expense of everything else. | 13:58 |
| persia | Both may apply, but I think the conjunction should be "and" rather than "or" in that case :) | 13:58 |
| fader_ | persia: They can both apply to me without meaning the same thing ;) | 13:58 |
| persia | fader_: Indeed. In that case, I'm nitpicking your grammar :p | 13:58 |
| gotunandan | hello, if I would like to test the alternate-i386 iso, what would be the steps to follow ? | 14:00 |
| davmor2 | persia: yeah the or in fader_ 's statement should of been an and :) | 14:01 |
| persia | gotunandan: Make sure your iso.qa.ubuntu.com account is current, make sure you have the latest image, boot it on real or virtual hardware, follow one of the test cases, report the results. | 14:01 |
| fader_ | It's not an XOR :P | 14:01 |
| cr3 | persia: isn't there a wiki page somewhere about that? | 14:01 |
| * cr3 is really bad at finding/remembering wiki pages | 14:02 | |
| fader_ | gotunandan: The test cases are on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all | 14:02 |
| cr3 | fader_: I need to start using that in conversations | 14:02 |
| persia | cr3: You mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO ? | 14:02 |
| cr3 | persia: that page points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures which I think gotunandan might like | 14:03 |
| cr3 | gotunandan: ^^^ | 14:03 |
| gotunandan | thanks, downloading the latest image right now | 14:03 |
| persia | I guess. I like dialogue. I think it brings us closer together as a community. | 14:03 |
| persia | (or maybe I just don't remember all the URLs anymore) | 14:03 |
| cr3 | persia: in the above wiki page, there are nice pictures which also help. I suspect ara had something to do with it :) | 14:05 |
| * persia shares that suspicion | 14:05 | |
| schwuk | cr3: don't forget http://qa.ubuntu.com :) | 14:09 |
| * charlie-tca waves | 14:31 | |
| davmor2 | hello charlie-tca | 14:31 |
| gotunandan | done with the download... am installing it in virtual machine for now and following the steps mentioned here: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateManual | 15:40 |
| ara | gotunandan, nice :) | 15:48 |
| gotunandan | where do I get the links for the images... say I would like to test the netbook image ? | 15:50 |
| gotunandan | i know they are present on cdimage.ubuntu.com but its slightly confusing what lies where | 15:50 |
| persia | gotunandan: cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ is the current Ubuntu Netbook image. Simiarly, cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ is the current Kubuntu Netbook image (assuming i386). | 15:52 |
| persia | Basically, except for Ubuntu Desktop, all the flavours have their own trees. | 15:52 |
| gotunandan | ok got it :) thanks ! | 15:53 |
| hggdh | do we have the beta2 isos now? | 16:16 |
| persia | Well, candidates for most of them. | 16:16 |
| * persia suspects that respins are a given at this stage | 16:16 | |
| davmor2 | hggdh: look at iso.qa.ubuntu.com for the current list ;) | 16:17 |
| marjo | hggdh: please consider subscribing to one or more test cases, then you'll get an email notification | 16:19 |
| hggdh | marjo: then, since I did not receive any emails, I understand the server ISO is not ready | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | I am subscribed to all of xubuntu tests, but never get an email | 16:25 |
| * fader_ got a mythbuntu email late last night... | 16:27 | |
| * marjo got ubuntu studio email overnight | 16:27 | |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: are you sure you're subscribed I got some | 16:27 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I am pretty sure. If I click on subscriptions, all of them are there | 16:28 |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: have you gone into My Profile and selected email me? | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | huh | 16:30 |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: that'll be why then | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | got it. Thanks | 16:30 |
| davmor2 | hggdh: same to you ^ | 16:31 |
| hggdh | done | 16:32 |
| hggdh | but this is non-intuitive | 16:32 |
| persia | The UI has branches ... :) | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | I agree | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | I never knew that was there even. I just watch the tracker for the iso dates | 16:33 |
| davmor2 | hggdh: it can't be enabled by default as I understood it for various reasons we might be able to get around by added to unsubcribe goto http://...... and uncheck the receive mail notification box | 16:34 |
| davmor2 | ara: I've done what I can for now but I need to do some other stuff now I'll hit some more after. | 16:35 |
| hggdh | at least we sound state on the subscriptions page that one must set this | 16:35 |
| ara | davmor2, sure, no worries | 16:35 |
| * ara calls it a day, but leaves IRC opened to read backlog | 17:05 | |
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| sbeattie | erk, fglrx fails on upgrade? | 20:27 |
| marjo_ | fader, bladernr: i shutdown the system and restarted; now the system boots fine | 20:31 |
| marjo_ | i expected it to boot properly right after the installation, without having to shut it down first | 20:32 |
| fader_ | marjo_: Roger; I'll do an install and see what happens | 20:32 |
| fader_ | I'm using ubuntustudio 64-bit at the moment... what were you using? | 20:32 |
| marjo_ | ok, the test case is: let it reboot WITHOUT shutting down first | 20:32 |
| marjo_ | ubuntustudio i386 | 20:33 |
| marjo_ | no problem w/ non-encrypted LVM installs | 20:33 |
| fader_ | marjo_: Argh, I missed the 'encrypted' part. | 20:34 |
| * fader_ starts the install over. | 20:34 | |
| marjo_ | fader: Alternate Encrypted LVM Drive (d-i/debian-installer package) | 20:34 |
| bladernr | marjo, fader, Alternate Encrypted 64 was just fine | 20:41 |
| bladernr | no problem on reboot, though I am doing it on a VM so there may be a difference between a warm boot on a VM and a warm boot on bare metal | 20:42 |
| marjo_ | bladernr: so you did NOT have to shutdown the "system" first, right? | 20:44 |
| bladernr | correct... I let the installer soft-reboot the VM and had no problems when it came back up | 20:44 |
| bladernr | marjo_: I'll try one on the netbook after I get back from the vet though, just in case there's a difference between VM and bare metal soft reboots | 20:45 |
| marjo_ | bladernr: yes, that would be good | 20:46 |
| marjo_ | what happened to mine was: i just got a bunch of vertical blue lines while it was trying to boot | 20:47 |
| marjo_ | and got stuck there | 20:47 |
| marjo_ | but after i shut it down, it booted fine | 20:47 |
| fader_ | marjo_: Were you doing yours on a VM or bare metal? | 20:48 |
| marjo_ | fader: acer aspire one | 20:49 |
| marjo_ | with external USB CD drive (FWIW) | 20:50 |
| fader_ | marjo_: Works perfectly for me on ubuntustudio 64-bit in virtualbox | 21:00 |
| * sbeattie can try to reproduce on live hardware... | 21:01 | |
| marjo_ | sbeattie: go for it! | 21:01 |
| marjo_ | sbeattie: the test case is: let it reboot WITHOUT shutting down first | 21:02 |
| sbeattie | okay. | 21:02 |
| sbeattie | erk, okay, I can | 21:20 |
| sbeattie | erk, okay, I can't wipe the whole disk on that machine. | 21:20 |
| sbeattie | trying to manually set up lvm volumes is failing. | 21:20 |
| * sbeattie wonders why edubuntu's networking applet icon looks like it's unplugged even though it's working and says it's enabled. | 21:22 | |
| * sbeattie steps away to grab some lunch | 22:03 | |
| slangasek | a series of liveCD respins just finishing up, for some ubiquity bugs | 22:05 |
| slangasek | kubuntu/ubuntu DVD respins still outstanding, should be all done in a couple of hours | 22:05 |
| * fader_ starts zsyncing DVD images | 22:31 | |
| bladernr | fader_: it took me 3 hours to zsync everything this morning... heh... | 22:35 |
| fader_ | bladernr: Heh, if it looks like it's taking me that long I'll just get back to testing tomorrow :P | 22:35 |
| bladernr | by the way, when I was looking at marjo's test a while ago, I was somewhat amused that I can do an encrypted LVM and then encrypt /home inside of that. | 22:36 |
| fader_ | bladernr: Yeah, why not? :) You could also have an encrypted ZIP containing an encrypted text file inside that... it's turtles all the way down! | 22:38 |
| bladernr | wow... I haven't heard that in a long time: turtles all the way down | 22:39 |
| chains_ | I noticed the QA blog had the comment spam cleaned up, but new spam comments have already started: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/80#comments | 22:47 |
| hggdh | this is really weird... it seems the ATI driver and KVM are not living well together | 22:48 |
| bladernr | Hrmmm... philosophical question: should it be considered a bug if the installer fails to initialize the network device, if the device requires restricted drivers to function (e.g. Broadcom B43 wireless cards) | 23:05 |
| bladernr | or more importantly, is there a way to get the d-i installer to load the restricted stuff like you can in the live env? | 23:09 |
| hggdh_ | I do not know about the second Q, but the first one gives the user a real bad experience | 23:12 |
| === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh | ||
| hggdh | I *think* this has been discussed before | 23:12 |
| bladernr | yeah... from an open source standpoint, I can understand why they aren't included by default, but from a "just works" point of view... :( | 23:15 |
| bladernr | then again, if someone's running the alternate disk, they probably know enough already to not be too surprised | 23:16 |
| hggdh | maybe | 23:46 |
| hggdh | still... | 23:46 |
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