[03:42]  * slangasek starts posting ISOs for everyone's smoketesting enjoyment
[07:23] <ara> good morning all!
[07:23]  * ara syncs
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <ara> morning davmor2!
[11:07] <primes2h> morning ara, we are ready to test Beta2 ;-)
[11:08] <ara> primes2h, morning! great! :-)
[11:13] <primes2h> ara: BTW, we prepared a wiki page about zsync, in our opinion this could replace the rsync one, .zsync files are into ISO images archives.
[11:13] <primes2h> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FabioMarconi/prove2
[11:14] <dholbach> hola
[11:15] <primes2h> ara: hold on, I'm reading you email...
[11:21] <primes2h> ara: you mention dl-ubuntu-test-iso script.
[11:21] <ara> hey dholbach :)
[11:21] <ara> primes2h, yes, dl-ubuntu-test-iso is a script that uses zsync (or rsync if zsync is not installed)
[11:22] <ara> primes2h, your wiki page is OK. You can mention the script there in a subsection
[11:23] <primes2h> ara: I just need to update the script in it because I saw it has been updated in the rsync wiki page.
[11:23] <primes2h> ara: and I'll mention that other script as well
[11:26] <primes2h> ara: thank you very much. :-)
[11:26] <ara> primes2h, thanks to you!
[11:27] <persia> There's also the ubucdimage script from the ubumirror package.  We probably ought pool all the scripts and have one known good one that is flexible enough to meet needs.
[11:30] <ara> persia, I don't know about that script, but the dl-ubuntu-test-iso is well maintained by sbeattie, rewritten recently in python and widely used by the qa team
[11:30] <persia> I figured as much, which is why I mention the other, which is the current recommendation to mirrors.  I suspect that there exists an opportunity for integration.
[11:31] <ara> persia, agree
[11:32] <primes2h> ara: When wiki page will be finished, could I replace the old one?
[11:33] <primes2h> or it's better to wait?
[11:33] <ara> primes2h, where is the original one?
[11:34] <primes2h> ara: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RsyncCdImage
[11:34] <primes2h> linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[11:35] <ara> primes2h, I agree, but do not delete the old page, as there might be other people pointing at it
[11:36] <ara> primes2h, you can update the old one with a note "zsync is a better system now, bla, bla, bla" and pointing to the new one, but keeping the old contents as well
[11:36] <primes2h> ara: I can create a new one, linked from the ISO page.
[11:37] <ara> primes2h, yes, I think it is safer, but you can add the note to the old one as well
[11:37] <primes2h> ara: and link it from the old one as well
[11:37] <primes2h> yes
[11:37] <primes2h> :-)
[11:37] <ara> :)
[11:37]  * ara hugs primes2h
[11:40] <persia> The wiki also supports #redirect if you want to just auto-forward a page that has external references
[11:45] <primes2h> ara: :-)
[11:46] <primes2h> persia: I think it would be nice.
[11:46] <primes2h> persia: new zsync page has all info about rsync as the old one
[11:46] <persia> I know.  But that's still more complicated than having ubucdimage in a crontab for now :)
[11:47] <primes2h> so we just need a redirect from rsync to zsync.
[11:47] <persia> Oh, right.  Yeah, look into #redirect in the moin help
[11:47] <primes2h> ara: what do you think?
[11:48] <ara> primes2h, it looks good to me
[11:49] <primes2h> persia: I'll have a look at ubucdimage.
[11:49] <primes2h> :-)
[11:50]  * primes2h -> lunch
[13:15] <fader_> schwuk, davmor2: Hey dudes, how was the long weekend?
[13:16] <schwuk> fader_: nice and long :) How was your short weekend? :)
[13:17] <fader_> schwuk: Way too short :/
[13:38] <davmor2> fader_: Sound thanks how's you?
[13:46] <fader_> davmor2: Hanging in there :)
[13:47] <davmor2> I'm sure we can put an end to that for you ;)
[13:50] <cr3> davmor2: what's that word you use to describe a "slacker"... other than "fader", of course, it sounded more British :)
[13:53] <davmor2> cr3: fader_  is more of a general testing localisation for being a sciving git,
[13:53] <cr3> davmor2: aha, I think "sciving" is the word I was looking for!
[13:54] <fader_> I prefer to be called a "derelict" or "goldbricker", thanks
[13:54]  * persia doesn't see how those terms are synonyms
[13:55] <cr3> persia: both of them are irresponsible, I guess
[13:55] <persia> Why is a derelict irresponsible?
[13:56] <persia> I'd say more the result of irresponsibility, but with no implication of the current state of affairs.
[13:57] <davmor2> persia: sounds like fader_ to me :D
[13:58] <persia> But it's *different* than goldbricking, which is the practice of setting things aside to look lovely, at the expense of everything else.
[13:58] <persia> Both may apply, but I think the conjunction should be "and" rather than "or" in that case :)
[13:58] <fader_> persia: They can both apply to me without meaning the same thing ;)
[13:58] <persia> fader_: Indeed.  In that case, I'm nitpicking your grammar :p
[14:00] <gotunandan> hello, if I would like to test the alternate-i386 iso, what would be the steps to follow ?
[14:01] <davmor2> persia: yeah the or in fader_ 's statement should of been an and :)
[14:01] <persia> gotunandan: Make sure your iso.qa.ubuntu.com account is current, make sure you have the latest image, boot it on real or virtual hardware, follow one of the test cases, report the results.
[14:01] <fader_> It's not an XOR :P
[14:01] <cr3> persia: isn't there a wiki page somewhere about that?
[14:02]  * cr3 is really bad at finding/remembering wiki pages
[14:02] <fader_> gotunandan: The test cases are on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[14:02] <cr3> fader_: I need to start using that in conversations
[14:02] <persia> cr3: You mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO ?
[14:03] <cr3> persia: that page points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures which I think gotunandan might like
[14:03] <cr3> gotunandan: ^^^
[14:03] <gotunandan> thanks, downloading the latest image right now
[14:03] <persia> I guess.  I like dialogue.  I think it brings us closer together as a community.
[14:03] <persia> (or maybe I just don't remember all the URLs anymore)
[14:05] <cr3> persia: in the above wiki page, there are nice pictures which also help. I suspect ara had something to do with it :)
[14:05]  * persia shares that suspicion
[14:09] <schwuk> cr3: don't forget http://qa.ubuntu.com :)
[14:31]  * charlie-tca waves
[14:31] <davmor2> hello charlie-tca
[15:40] <gotunandan> done with the download... am installing it in virtual machine for now and following the steps mentioned here: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateManual
[15:48] <ara>      gotunandan, nice :)
[15:50] <gotunandan> where do I get the links for the images... say I would like to test the netbook image ?
[15:50] <gotunandan> i know they are present on cdimage.ubuntu.com but its slightly confusing what lies where
[15:52] <persia> gotunandan: cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ is the current Ubuntu Netbook image. Simiarly, cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current/ is the current Kubuntu Netbook image (assuming i386).
[15:52] <persia> Basically, except for Ubuntu Desktop, all the flavours have their own trees.
[15:53] <gotunandan> ok got it :) thanks !
[16:16] <hggdh> do we have the beta2 isos now?
[16:16] <persia> Well, candidates for most of them.
[16:16]  * persia suspects that respins are a given at this stage
[16:17] <davmor2> hggdh: look at iso.qa.ubuntu.com for the current list ;)
[16:19] <marjo> hggdh: please consider subscribing to one or more test cases, then you'll get an email notification
[16:24] <hggdh> marjo: then, since I did not receive any emails, I understand the server ISO is not ready
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I am subscribed to all of xubuntu tests, but never get an email
[16:27]  * fader_ got a mythbuntu email late last night...
[16:27]  * marjo got ubuntu studio email overnight
[16:27] <davmor2> charlie-tca: are you sure you're subscribed I got some
[16:28] <charlie-tca> yes, I am pretty sure. If I click on subscriptions, all of them are there
[16:30] <davmor2> charlie-tca: have you gone into My Profile and selected email me?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> nope
[16:30] <charlie-tca> huh
[16:30] <davmor2> charlie-tca: that'll be why then
[16:30] <charlie-tca> got it. Thanks
[16:31] <davmor2> hggdh: same to you ^
[16:32] <hggdh> done
[16:32] <hggdh> but this is non-intuitive
[16:33] <persia> The UI has branches ... :)
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I agree
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I never knew that was there even. I just watch the tracker for the iso dates
[16:34] <davmor2> hggdh: it can't be enabled by default as I understood it for various reasons we might be able to get around by added to unsubcribe goto http://...... and uncheck the receive mail notification box
[16:35] <davmor2> ara: I've done what I can for now but I need to do some other stuff now I'll hit some more after.
[16:35] <hggdh> at least we sound state on the subscriptions page that one must set this
[16:35] <ara> davmor2, sure, no worries
[17:05]  * ara calls it a day, but leaves IRC opened to read backlog
[20:27] <sbeattie> erk, fglrx fails on upgrade?
[20:31] <marjo_> fader, bladernr: i shutdown the system and restarted; now the system boots fine
[20:32] <marjo_> i expected it to boot properly right after the installation, without having to shut it down first
[20:32] <fader_> marjo_: Roger; I'll do an install and see what happens
[20:32] <fader_> I'm using ubuntustudio 64-bit at the moment... what were you using?
[20:32] <marjo_>  ok, the test case is: let it reboot WITHOUT shutting down first
[20:33] <marjo_> ubuntustudio i386
[20:33] <marjo_> no problem w/ non-encrypted LVM installs
[20:34] <fader_> marjo_: Argh, I missed the 'encrypted' part.
[20:34]  * fader_ starts the install over.
[20:34] <marjo_> fader: Alternate Encrypted LVM Drive (d-i/debian-installer package)
[20:41] <bladernr> marjo, fader, Alternate Encrypted 64 was just fine
[20:42] <bladernr> no problem on reboot, though I am doing it on a VM so there may be a difference between a warm boot on a VM and a warm boot on bare metal
[20:44] <marjo_> bladernr: so you did NOT have to shutdown the "system" first, right?
[20:44] <bladernr> correct... I let the installer soft-reboot the VM and had no problems when it came back up
[20:45] <bladernr> marjo_: I'll try one on the netbook after I get back from the vet though, just in case there's a difference between VM and bare metal soft reboots
[20:46] <marjo_> bladernr: yes, that would be good
[20:47] <marjo_> what happened to mine was: i just got a bunch of vertical blue lines while it was trying to boot
[20:47] <marjo_> and got stuck there
[20:47] <marjo_> but after i shut it down, it booted fine
[20:48] <fader_> marjo_: Were you doing yours on a VM or bare metal?
[20:49] <marjo_> fader: acer aspire one
[20:50] <marjo_> with external USB CD drive (FWIW)
[21:00] <fader_> marjo_: Works perfectly for me on ubuntustudio 64-bit in virtualbox
[21:01]  * sbeattie can try to reproduce on live hardware...
[21:01] <marjo_> sbeattie: go for it!
[21:02] <marjo_> sbeattie: the test case is: let it reboot WITHOUT shutting down first
[21:02] <sbeattie> okay.
[21:20] <sbeattie> erk, okay, I can
[21:20] <sbeattie> erk, okay, I can't wipe the whole disk on that machine.
[21:20] <sbeattie> trying to manually set up lvm volumes is failing.
[21:22]  * sbeattie wonders why edubuntu's networking applet icon looks like it's unplugged even though it's working and says it's enabled.
[22:03]  * sbeattie steps away to grab some lunch
[22:05] <slangasek> a series of liveCD respins just finishing up, for some ubiquity bugs
[22:05] <slangasek> kubuntu/ubuntu DVD respins still outstanding, should be all done in a couple of hours
[22:31]  * fader_ starts zsyncing DVD images
[22:35] <bladernr> fader_:  it took me 3 hours to zsync everything this morning... heh...
[22:35] <fader_> bladernr: Heh, if it looks like it's taking me that long I'll just get back to testing tomorrow :P
[22:36] <bladernr> by the way, when I was looking at marjo's test a while ago, I was somewhat amused that I can do an encrypted LVM and then encrypt /home inside of that.
[22:38] <fader_> bladernr: Yeah, why not? :)  You could also have an encrypted ZIP containing an encrypted text file inside that... it's turtles all the way down!
[22:39] <bladernr> wow... I haven't heard that in a long time: turtles all the way down
[22:47] <chains_> I noticed the QA blog had the comment spam cleaned up, but new spam comments have already started: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/80#comments
[22:48] <hggdh> this is really weird... it seems the ATI driver and KVM are not living well together
[23:05] <bladernr> Hrmmm... philosophical question: should it be considered a bug if the installer fails to initialize the network device, if the device requires restricted drivers to function (e.g. Broadcom B43 wireless cards)
[23:09] <bladernr> or more importantly, is there a way to get the d-i installer to load the restricted stuff like you can in the live env?
[23:12] <hggdh_> I do not know about the second Q, but the first one gives the user a real bad experience
[23:12] <hggdh> I *think* this has been discussed before
[23:15] <bladernr> yeah... from an open source standpoint, I can understand why they aren't included by default, but from a "just works" point of view... :(
[23:16] <bladernr> then again, if someone's running the alternate disk, they probably know enough already to not be too surprised
[23:46] <hggdh> maybe
[23:46] <hggdh> still...