[03:33] <n2diy__> I just built a test box, and used grsync to load my home directory onto the box, but some files didn't make the trip, like .bashrc? I fixed it with gftp, but why did grsync miss it?
[03:55] <ToStItOs> gottto: I have questions
[03:57] <ToStItOs> Well I think gottto has left I have a question for everyone I have a Windows Xp computer I want to install Xubuntu on a second drive in the windows computer is there a simplified way of doing this
[03:59] <n2diy__> ToStItOs: Have you formatted a linux drive yet?
[04:00] <n2diy__> ToStItOs: Have you formatted a linux drive yet? Tried an install?
[04:01] <ToStItOs> not yet I still need to get the drive first I am just wondering if I should leave the windows drive connected or disconnected while I run the install
[04:02] <n2diy__> ToStItOs: Bingo, disconnect the Win drive, and have a few trial and errors with the linux drive, then tackle them together.
[04:11] <n2diy__> I just built a test box, and used grsync to load my home directory onto the box, but some files didn't make the trip, like .bashrc? I fixed it with gftp, but why did grsync miss it?
[04:21] <ToStItOs> n2diy_ So disconnect the win box won't that make the windows drive being ignored during the install
[04:24] <ToStItOs> another words after I install ubuntu and set up the boot sequence won't that make the Windows drive disappear?
[04:25] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Just practice installing Ubuntu on the single Ubuntu drive, when you have confidence doing that, then try both drives together.
[04:26] <ToStItOs> I know how install Ubuntu on a drive but just meshing them together is going to be interesting
[04:27] <ToStItOs> But it may work out unplug one then installing the other then adding them together at least I hope it will
[04:28] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Ok, I haven't tried that,  yet, either. But, someday soon maybe? Right now I'm working on test box #2, so maybe this will be the victim?
[04:29] <ToStItOs> I googled it for Jaunty and the person who wrote the article just made it sort of complicated
[04:29] <ToStItOs> http://25yearsofprogramming.com/blog/2009/20091021.htm
[04:33] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Fine business, that is why I would re-install Xubuntu, and let the partition manager deal with Grub.
[04:34] <ToStItOs> ok I wonder if I should do a manual partition
[04:35] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: yes, yes, and yes. Practice on the single Xubuntu drive first!
[04:36] <ToStItOs> ok so you think I should just do a normal install then try to install that drive as a slave
[04:36] <ToStItOs> well I guess I'll need to play withit
[04:36] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: and practice making a seperate /home partition, you'll be happy in the long run if you do.
[04:36] <ToStItOs> HDs can be finicky
[04:37] <ToStItOs> ok I'll do that
[04:37] <ToStItOs> and thats under the manual partition right?
[04:38] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: practice installing on the single drive, and then combine the two drives, and re-install Xubuntu, on the old Xubuntu drive, the partition manager, and grub will handle things from there.
[04:39] <ToStItOs> ok I'll do that
[04:39] <ToStItOs> So I will have to install Xubuntu again or just once?
[04:40] <ToStItOs> Sorry for the confusion
[04:46] <ToStItOs> Ok I get it now practice installing the drive with the manual partition then try both drives together ok sorry I am on the slow side
[04:47] <ToStItOs> I getcha now
[04:47] <ToStItOs> I just don't want to erase my windows drive
[04:50] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: yes, of course, unplug the Win drive, and practice on the Xubuntu drive, then try them together.
[04:51] <ToStItOs> Ok I getcha now I will do that one more thing, when I do put them together which one should be the first to be bootable
[04:51] <ToStItOs> Obviously I set the second drive as a slave right?
[04:56] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Yes, setup master and slave, which order it is doesn't matter, as far as I know.
[04:57] <ToStItOs> ok good deal I 'll mess with it and pray I don't erase my windows drive
[04:58] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: When you re-install Xubuntu, the manual partitioning will allow you to tell grub which drive and partion should hold the boot info.
[04:59] <ToStItOs> that would be the secondary drive?
[05:00] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Which ever drive you want to put it on, but I would put it on the Xubuntu drive, since it has a better chance of surviving an attack.
[05:00] <ToStItOs> ok will do
[05:01] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: GL
[05:01] <ToStItOs> Thanks my friend for your help appreciate that
[05:01] <n2diy_> ToStItOs: Nada
[05:02] <ToStItOs> I must go to bed I have to work in the AM
[05:02] <ToStItOs> thanks a lot
[05:02] <ToStItOs> see you later
[05:02] <n2diy_> 73
[08:31] <xubuntu_user> anybody here who can answer nitpicky technical questions?
[08:31] <Sysi> always is
[08:31] <xubuntu_user> lol.  ok.
[08:32] <xubuntu_user> should i just speak it in-channel?  or do i need to private a specialist?
[08:32] <Sysi> just here
[08:33] <xubuntu_user> ok.  sorry, this is the first time i've had to do this - normally i figure things out on my own via trial and error.
[08:33] <xubuntu_user> i am using xubuntu 9.04 on an asus eeepc 1000
[08:34] <xubuntu_user> i think it's 1000ha - the one that comes with XP installed.
[08:34] <xubuntu_user> under linux, my eeepc seems to have a problem with key repeating - often letters will type twice even though i am not holding them down
[08:35] <xubuntu_user> i have gone to settings > accessibility and used bounce keys, with the threshold set to minimum - which works
[08:35] <xubuntu_user> but after five or so minutes of inactivity, i get a message "bounce keys disabled" and the problem is back
[08:35] <xubuntu_user> is this a known issue?
[08:47] <xubuntu_user> ok that's cool.
[10:31] <plouffe> this morning I can only login to xterm but not my xfce session. Any way to repair that or at least check the error log as to what failed?
[11:19] <TheSheep> plouffe: ~/.xsessionerrors
[17:20] <cristian_c> Hi,
[17:20] <charlie-tca> !hi
[17:20] <cristian_c> hi guys, i'm on karmic
[17:21] <cristian_c> I would use a sound theme for login screen and startup
[17:22] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:22] <cristian_c> in jaunty I used to go in System->Login screen->Accessibility
[17:22] <cristian_c> and choose the sounds
[17:23] <cristian_c> in karmic Login window doesn't exist
[17:23] <cristian_c> How can I do to resolve this problem?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I don't think you can in karmic. Lucid will have the login screen again, and allow sounds to be turned on and off
[17:25] <charlie-tca> We lost that in karmic (9.10) because of all the gdm changes
[17:25] <cristian_c> ok
[17:25] <Pres-Gas> charlie-tca, does that mean this version of gdm has integrated some of the features we lost?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> what version?
[17:25] <cristian_c> thanks
[17:25] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:25] <Pres-Gas> Sorry, Lucid
[17:26] <charlie-tca> sort of. It means the developers were able to put some of the features back
[17:27] <Pres-Gas> Looks like I will have to fire up Lucid once the RC drops....
[17:45] <slow-motion> hi
[19:09] <squisher> hm, anyone have a suggestion when ubiquity crashes?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> start it with debug-ubiquity as a boot parameter (you can edit boot parameters by pressing F6 then Escape at the CD boot menu
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Then you can pull the logs and file the bug?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Or, from the live desktop:
[19:10] <charlie-tca> please start the installer with 'ubiquity -d' from a terminal window, and reproduce this problem
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Once you've done that, please attach /var/log/syslog, /var/log/partman, and /var/log/installer/debug to the bug report. It's important that you attach all those files.
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Which image is crashing?
[19:12] <squisher> charlie-tca, thanks will do after memtest
[19:12] <squisher> 9.10-amd64-desktop
[19:13] <charlie-tca> MIght need to use the alternate image for that version
[19:13] <squisher> what do you mean?
[19:13] <squisher> oh, right, the alternate image. but why?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> There are two images for each version, desktop and alternate
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I think that image had problems with a lot of systems
[19:14] <squisher> Oh boy, and it got never updated?
[19:14] <squisher> but thanks for the note
[19:15] <charlie-tca> it won't after the release
[19:15] <squisher> ouch
[19:15] <squisher> so is it really worth my time then to create a bug report?
[19:15] <squisher> I don't mind if it's useful, but if it's a well known problem, then I'm not sure it is
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I reported issues with hardy and they did not cut a new image, even when ubuntu got a new one
[19:16] <charlie-tca> It might be useful to keep the issues out of lucid
[19:16] <squisher> k
[19:17] <charlie-tca> The developers do check the existing bug reports to try to keep any old/regression issues out of the new release
[19:33] <Sachse_siechtum> Damn, I'm in dependency hell right now
[19:33] <Sachse_siechtum> can't install UCK
[19:35] <Sachse_siechtum> is there any way to install UCK?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> what is it?
[19:41] <Sachse_siechtum> ubuntu customization kit
[19:41] <Sysi> sounds like CLI to me :P
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Not familiar with it, at all
[19:42] <Sachse_siechtum> because yesterday I crashed my previous xubuntu install...and I was very unhappy how Xubuntu comes out of the box (or the live cd ;-)
[19:42] <charlie-tca> But I wouldn't mind getting the 64bit install to actually do something with hardware drivers, nvidia
[19:42] <charlie-tca> It keeps shutting the monitor off
[19:42] <Sachse_siechtum> you mean livecd customization?
[19:42] <Sysi> Sachse_siechtum: separate partition for /home
[19:43] <charlie-tca> Sachse_siechtum: no, just a normal installation of lucid
[19:43] <Sysi> then you only need to install programs
[19:43] <Sachse_siechtum> I see
[19:44] <Sachse_siechtum> well luzid is not officially out yet. Is it stable?
[19:44] <Sachse_siechtum> lucid
[19:44] <charlie-tca> sort of stable
[19:44] <charlie-tca> at least on the 386
[19:44] <Sachse_siechtum> alright
[19:44] <Sachse_siechtum> I gonna wait til 28th ;-)
[19:44] <charlie-tca> beta2 pre-release testing
[19:45] <Sysi> many people say that ubuntu is stable two weeks after release..
[19:45] <Sachse_siechtum> will I be able to get it over spm?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> should
[19:47] <Sachse_siechtum> what I was just saying.....the only things Xubuntu can do out of the box is: screen pictures, play wave files, word proccessing, some simple games...and thats about it...
[19:48] <charlie-tca> yeah, pretty much what is needed to use it
[19:48] <squisher> Sachse_siechtum, it's called a "base install"
[19:48] <Sachse_siechtum> ah I see
[19:49] <squisher> seems pretty sensible to me :)
[19:49] <Sachse_siechtum> thats why the liveCD just takes up a cd rom _:-)
[19:49] <charlie-tca> It is enough for any beginner to get started with
[19:50] <Sachse_siechtum> well...I was enough for me...its just....well I gonna have to take a look into this customization thing...
[19:50] <Sachse_siechtum> afk eating spicy chinese soup
[19:51] <el3ment> hey :P
[19:51] <squisher> Sachse_siechtum, what are you trying to achieve? I simply install the software I need after the install....
[19:51] <Sachse_siechtum> I'm lazy ;-)
[19:51] <Sysi> it's one line to apt
[19:52] <Sysi> you can write .sh script :)
[19:52] <Sachse_siechtum> not familiar with that yet
[19:52] <Sysi> that's easy actually
[19:52] <el3ment> can i ask u something ? :)
[19:52] <Sachse_siechtum> is it something like a *.bat file?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> el3ment: sure
[19:53] <el3ment> in wine channel no one respond i cant run games audio with wine ?
[19:53] <el3ment> any solution ? :)
[19:53] <Sysi> Sachse_siechtum: bash(commnd line) script, so yes
[19:53] <charlie-tca> just type in your question. If anyone knows, they will answer
[19:53] <Sachse_siechtum> what drivers did you choose?
[19:53] <el3ment> alsa
[19:53] <squisher> el3ment, in prinicple, yes, but in practice it depends on the game. appdb.winehq.org is the place to look
[19:53] <el3ment> intel_realtek
[19:54] <Sysi> have you tested both emulation and full to hw-thing?
[19:54] <Sachse_siechtum> for example in max payne 2 alsa is just scramble
[19:54] <el3ment> yes not sound
[19:54] <Sachse_siechtum> oss and esound work fine
[19:54] <Sachse_siechtum> ...on my machine
[19:55] <el3ment> i have another strange problem when start mp3 player not hear anything but when im start video player then sound works on both
[19:55] <el3ment> ;)
[19:55] <Sachse_siechtum> o_O
[19:55] <squisher> sounds like the video player is adjusting your mixer
[19:56] <el3ment> how i can fix that ?
[19:56] <el3ment> :)
[19:56] <squisher> while just running the mp3 player, go for example into alsa-mixer and make sure everything is turned up
[19:57] <el3ment> yea i try this but not succes
[19:57] <el3ment> everything is on and mp3 not work
[19:57] <el3ment> then starting video player and sound work again :)
[19:57] <squisher> hmm, not sure then
[19:58] <el3ment> my sound is intel realtek but im not sure what to chouse  snd_intel or Snd_realtek :)
[19:58] <el3ment> for codec
[20:12] <squisher> charlie-tca, uff, with ubiquity -d it did not crash, of course (before it crashed during two attempts, and once before I event started)
[20:13] <charlie-tca> it is trying to start too much at once for the system, then. The "really fast startup" fails on the system
[20:50] <Arpad2> hello
[20:51] <Sachse_siechtum> hello
[20:51] <knome> !hi | Arpad2
[20:51] <knome> ubottu, wake up
[20:51] <Arpad2> hi everybody!:)
[20:51] <Sachse_siechtum> how can I limit the incoming packets on wlan0? (my wlan adapter)
[20:52] <Sachse_siechtum> like limit the 365 kbyte/s line to 150 for example
[20:53] <squisher> Sachse_siechtum, that's a firewall's job... I know shorewall can do that, but it's not the easiest one to use
[20:53] <Sachse_siechtum> squisher, is it line based?
[20:54] <squisher> you mean commandline? Yes
[20:54] <Arpad2> i can not establish dsl connection with network manager only with sudo pppoe command, does anybody know how to solve this?
[21:52] <Sachse_siechtum> what was the command for compiz fusion to put into auto start?
[21:52] <Sachse_siechtum> to be put