[00:25] ryanakca: Same bug is fine. [00:25] Riddell: I have a board, but no peripherals/case and it's not assembled. [01:30] oh god, this is going to take forever [01:31] Amarok has to rescan me collection?! I have like 50,000 songs. *sigh* === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:24] Tm_T and NCommander: Lucid powerpc live CD image that's not oversized: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20100407/ <-- Please test. [03:24] ScottK: can't, PPC is dead ATM [03:24] Meh. [03:24] NCommander: OK, how about KNR armel? [03:25] ScottK: will once I have a PSU for my board [03:25] You're no help. [03:26] Tm_T: It's up to you (unless nixternal reappears) - He's got hardware too. [03:26] ping JontheEchidna [03:28] hi guys I am developing a small aplication on QT4 c++, and I was trying to package (I am using this guide for this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Basic%20Packaging) [03:28] but I have this error http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/SxXdCtzc each time I do the debuild http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/SxXdCtzc [03:34] ScottK: sorry, I'm not in a great place hardware wise, but I'll ask Gruemaster [03:55] NCommander: Thanks. [07:56] Riddell: did you get my mail ? [08:05] Hrm, Ive an idea. its probably been said before and possibly been done without me knowing. [08:06] can someone tell me if this : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/digikam/+bug/556826 and : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199801 are related? ive marked them as such [08:06] Launchpad bug 556826 in digikam "Digikam crashes occasionally when loading images" [Undecided,New] [08:07] However, would it be possible to put packages into the repos that provide preset configuratiosn for programs? for example program A has 3 or 4 different usecases, and as such, come mostly un configured. If we had the most common options configuration files in 3 or 4 different packages, that could make things a heck of a lot easier for people. [08:10] jussi01: um.. kubuntu-default-settings does that [08:10] i think.... [08:11] shadeslayer: no, I mean for programs that currently come with minimal configurations. [08:11] jussi01: ohh... that would mean we will have to chalk out the default settings... [08:11] shadeslayer: correct. [08:12] or move them to a different file. [08:12] jussi01: and how would one determine which is the best config for the user? [08:12] jussi01: well we can have a package that installs the config in ~/.kde/apps/config [08:12] or whatever the config path is... [08:12] shadeslayer: there could be 3 or 4 different packes, all conflicting. [08:13] but you are right, -default-settings does do that for certain items. [08:13] jussi01: well package versioning ensures that doesnt happen [08:14] shadeslayer: no, you miss my point [08:14] jussi01: another problem... suppose the user changes the config and we release a new version of x-default-settings... user loses his config and gets back to default [08:14] jussi01: ohh [08:15] jussi01: we can patch the default config files from upstream... [08:15] shadeslayer: say we talk about err.. wordpress. you could have worpress-settings-1 wordpress-settings-2 wordpress-settings-3 - you can only have one settings package installed at any one time. [08:15] imo we already do that.. [08:15] jussi01: hmmm [08:15] mind, Im pretty sure it breaks about 5000 packaging rules [08:16] yeah probably :P [08:16] perhaps its worth including the files and making them available. [08:16] * jussi01 doesnt know. [08:17] jussi01: hehe... idk too... this is all hypothetical [08:19] ok gtg [08:19] jussi01: bye :) [09:57] o/ [11:08] hi everyone [11:09] Riddell: can I upload a fix for Qt to fix bug 280113 ? [11:09] Launchpad bug 280113 in kdebase "Ugly mouse cursor when dragging and dropping plasma widget to desktop" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280113 [11:11] hai Tonio_ [11:11] hey kdelogger [11:11] Tonio_: I think we are still frozen [11:11] hum, that was my question in fact :) [11:11] is beta2 expected ? [11:11] I have to check out for knetworkmanager too [11:12] tomorrow I would suppose [11:12] kk [11:13] Tonio_: yes put it in bzr and upload it is fine, it'll get held until after beta 2 [11:14] Tonio_: is that the years-old bug? I think I once took a look at it, it was deep in Qt land... [11:14] JontheEchidna: if/should we create a proper standalone bug policy I am strongly suggesting to sort out naming [11:14] nice to see it's finally closed! [11:15] JontheEchidna: like prefixing patches that originate in upstream svn with kdesvn_, those coming form bugzilla kdebug_ [11:15] JontheEchidna: ideally followed by revision/bug no I would suppose [11:16] Riddell: nice, thanks :) [11:16] Riddell: this is the one I've been tracking for more than a year now :) [11:16] sounds like a special upload for me [11:16] hehe [11:16] amichair: yes it's that one, I HAVE THE FIX ! [11:17] Tonio_: You the man! [11:17] amichair: in fact I was about to give up when I found out that it could be fixed somewhere else [11:17] Oh [11:17] My [11:17] Sun [11:17] amichair: and googeling for that class, I found out someone wrote a patch that partially worked out 3 month ago [11:17] ! [11:17] I just fixed the fix [11:18] why in the name of darth vader does choqok have a splash [11:18] Tonio_: You still de man! [11:18] a very ugly one actually [11:18] neversfelde: !!!! [11:18] amichair: I never give up that's hte trick :) [11:19] Riddell: do we have qt in bzr ? [11:19] Tonio_: yes [11:20] Riddell: kk [11:21] Riddell: oh and do you know I quit smocking ? [11:21] among the good news.... [11:22] \o/ longer life for kubuntu developers [11:22] * kdelogger hugs Tonio_, congratualtes him and hands him a cookie :) [11:23] Tonio_: awooga! [11:24] ;) [11:24] not that hard to be honnest [11:24] restarting to do sport is a lot harder after 15 years smocking :'( [11:24] but that's for the best so... [11:25] * kdelogger notes from experience that quitting is indeed not very hard, not starting again is :/ [11:25] kdelogger: probably [11:25] kdelogger: I'll tell you when that happens to me :) [11:28] ah, if you are doing sports you are too busy for smoking anyway :) [11:29] bug 342729 [11:29] Launchpad bug 342729 in launchpad-code "[wishlist] Please add built-in support for cia.vc commit updates" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342729 [11:29] any mad python dev around to implement this? ^^ [11:30] Riddell: which group owns the qt4-x11 branch ? [11:31] oh it's called qt, not qt4.... [11:32] Tonio_: naming policy of branches always follows what upstream calls it [11:32] hence there is kdelibs and not kde4libs for example [11:32] kdelogger: yeah but hopefully we don't have to maintain the 3 and 4 branches of qt... [11:33] technically we do I think, now that MOTU is theoretically no more [11:33] technicaly we always did ^^ [11:38] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407103837-js4nvuytoe4ucsgn kubuntu-default-settings/ (13 files in 13 dirs): [11:38] kubuntu: Bring kubuntu icon from 1:10.04ubuntu13 in line with oxygen naming. It is [11:38] kubuntu: now named start-here-kubuntu.png and located in the places/ directory. [11:38] \o/ [11:38] return of the bot flood ^^ [11:40] Riddell: qt uploaded [11:40] Riddell: also I'll ping sebas about knetworkmanager [11:40] Riddell: svn stopped receiving updates, so it could be they consider it mature now [11:40] I hope [11:41] sebas: you there ? [11:41] Tonio_: yes [11:42] sebas: what is your feeling about what we should do with the networkmanager for lucid ? [11:42] any specific bugs? [11:42] sebas: go with the plasmoid ? [11:42] sebas: not at all it all works like a charm for me :) [11:42] it's really your call, I've been using the plasmoid exclusively, and it's good for me [11:42] but it cannot easily connect to hidden wifis [11:43] sebas: I'd go with the plasmoid too [11:43] sebas: is there any advantage according to you to go with the plasmoid ? [11:43] I'm also not aware of regressions, but error handling isn't very good [11:43] You mean other than it's nicer, more informative? :) [11:43] yep other than this [11:43] "The Plasmoid totally has UX built in" :) [11:43] sebas: what about handling hidden networks now ? [11:44] other than that, no, I don't think so [11:44] kk [11:44] the plasmoid ignores them [11:44] but they can be added manually and it works or ? [11:44] I'm actually waiting for will to implement it in the lower levels [11:44] didn't try :O [11:44] kk that's a major issue in fact (but not related to the plasmoid so..) [11:44] btw, I just fixed a possible crasher yesterday [11:45] Riddell: so what is your feeling ? [11:45] yes, no hidden wifi support is the biggest problem left with wifi support IMO [11:45] Riddell: I'd personaly go with the plasmoid, since it works like a charm here, and yes, it is more invormative and nicer [11:45] Riddell: on the other hand I understand we're late in the cycle.... [11:46] Riddell: just in case we keep knetworkmanager, I think we should update to current svn tree... [11:46] there are lots of fixes in them, and switching to the plasmoid will be easier [11:46] Riddell: also the packaging is better (splitted vpn plugins and so on) [11:46] sebas: I'll see with the guys what to do... thanks for your time [11:48] Tonio_: I don't want to change UI now, it's too late in the cycle [11:48] I have no problems myself with knetworkmanager, but if you read the kubuntu-users list, you'll see them recommending wicd to everyone who has a question about wireless. [11:49] Riddell: I'm going to demo Kubuntu to some OEM [11:49] Riddell: ok so should we go with the current svn ? [11:49] freeflying: ooh, great [11:49] (Well, they do also recommend synaptic to everyone who asks a question about installing packages) [11:49] Tonio_: if upstream thinks it's a stable snapshot and we get suitable testing on the mailing list [11:49] kk [11:49] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [11:50] Riddell: I'm calling for testers on the mailing list [11:50] anyone wanna check why 3rd party plasma themes do not use our branding.svg? [11:50] even though they should [11:52] Riddell: which one are you shipping with lucid? [11:52] I don't think stability has decreased, so latest == greatest [11:52] in fact, I've just dismissed a bugreport about knm in lucid this morning that was clearly more than a month old [11:53] not sure though it the user failed to upgrade, or if it was standard packages [11:53] sebas: 0.9~svn1075616-0ubuntu3 so not new [11:53] aight, please update [11:54] that makes bugreports useful to us, and as I said, we were quite careful lately [11:54] Tonio_: find us some testers and we'll update it [11:54] ohm [11:54] omg [11:54] there is a bug in plasma [11:54] *surprise* [11:54] :P [11:55] I can try to fix bugs quickly when you find them [11:55] Riddell: yup I'll call on the mailing lists :) [11:58] sebas: since you there, I noticed a little issue with the plasmoid [11:58] sebas: when loading, regularly, it will display all the networks instead of the short list [11:59] sebas: when I click on "show more" and then "show less" it comes back to normal [11:59] hm [11:59] sebas: do you happen to know why the plasma fallback themes contain oxygen? ... indeed prefer oxygen over the defaulttheme? [12:01] Tonio_: hm, I'll investigate [12:01] kdelogger: no [12:01] * kdelogger looks at svn log [12:03] kde rev 987538 [12:03] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=987538&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 987538 | allow for fallbacks themes, and more than one at a time; will backport to address visual backwards compat with the oxy->air c... [12:04] * kdelogger doesnt find that kind of backwards compability very good from a performance POV, but oh well [12:05] sebas: thx [12:05] Riddell: I called for feedback to the mailing lists [12:12] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407111227-8k7wile5ypp7n2c0 kubuntu-default-settings/ (2 files in 2 dirs): [12:12] kubuntu: Make branding.svg background white, so that it remains readable on themes with [12:12] kubuntu: black background [12:13] JontheEchidna: bug 557217 may be my misunderstanding it but I don't think so [12:13] Launchpad bug 557217 in kubuntu-notification-helper "incomplete language notification not shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557217 [12:13] JontheEchidna: also ksplash still disappears before plasma-netbook is shown [12:17] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407111657-tg3gsat15bf00e66 kubuntu-default-settings/debian/ (changelog kubuntu-default-settings.links): [12:17] kubuntu: Via dh_link link default plasma theme to oxygen, to work around oxygen [12:17] kubuntu: preference over air in theme fallback list (see kde rev 987538) [12:17] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=987538&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 987538 | allow for fallbacks themes, and more than one at a time; will backport to address visual backwards compat with the oxy->air c... [12:19] Riddell: could you attatch that hook to the bug? [12:19] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407111913-vfjmw7nqnly1ewns kubuntu-default-settings/debian/ (source source/format changelog): Fix changelog entry length + make source format 3 = happy lintian [12:19] (and fwiw, kplash works for me (tm) with my clean netbook test user) [12:22] gotta go now [12:22] JontheEchidna: attached [12:23] k, bbl [12:23] JontheEchidna: doesn't work from a live image, maybe our packages are missing something? [12:23] dpm: my launchpad foo is failing me, how do I make https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/557192 also apply to the ubuntu-translations project? [12:23] Launchpad bug 557192 in ubiquity "untranslated string" [Undecided,New] [12:26] Riddell, I don't know how to do it with the e-mail interface. I usually do it manually, by clicking on the "Also affects project link". Then you can just add 'ubuntu-translations' on the next screen. If the Ubuntu package already has an upstream project assigned, you might have to additionally click on "Choose another project" and then enter 'ubuntu-translations' [12:27] * Sput notices that CIA's output looks *much* better and more readable if colors are allowed in the channel [12:27] dpm: thanks, done [12:27] no worries [12:28] there is a page in the lp wiki explaining all the email magic [12:28] * kdelogger thinks that plasma is messing with him on intention! [12:29] oh [12:29] I am just stupid ^^ [12:29] I've never used e-mail for bugs, e-mail as a user interface is a bad idea [12:33] amichair: did you get an e-mail from colin? [12:34] Riddell: yeah, I'm at #ubuntu-installer [12:35] Riddell: could you please take a look at the ibus warning stuff when starting a qt app in lucid [12:35] * kdelogger finds it super annoying [12:36] hmm isnt it against coc to set an ubuntu channel as invite only? [12:39] woah [12:39] that looks super silly [12:39] ^^ [12:40] ghostcube: No, but no channel managed by the IRCC is set in such a way. Ask in #ubuntu-irc (with details) if you seek investigation. [12:40] http://imagebin.ca/view/soZox7I.html [12:40] suggestions anyone? [12:41] kdelogger: does the image have a white background? [12:41] Riddell: I added it [12:41] otherwise it looks even crappier, because it is transparent [12:42] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407114156-iperlr98dy543p4k kubuntu-default-settings/share/apps/desktoptheme/default/widgets/branding.svgz: Fix background white properly, looks like ewww though [12:42] am I the only one who gets a lot of problem with kopete contet menu ? [12:42] Tonio__: me too [12:42] submenus are going insanely on the top of the current menu and so on [12:42] dbusmenu is at fault [12:42] that's a PAIN to use [12:42] and I am getting told it is all fixed in the versin that Riddell refuses to upload :P [12:43] * Tonio__ looks lovelly at Riddell.... === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [12:43] * kdelogger should go an a bike ride [12:43] way to nice weather [12:43] what am I refusing to upload? [12:43] kdelogger: can I get that package to test please ? [12:43] * kdelogger checks windiness [12:43] 1.7m/s [12:43] Tonio_: I dont have it [12:44] Riddell: the fix for dbusmenu, or whether the load of dbusmenu related bugs were fixed [12:44] s/whether/where ever === kdelogger is now known as apachelogger [12:44] I have some updated patches from agateau waiting for beta to be done with, I don't think I've refused to upload anything [12:44] * apachelogger didnt even have breakfast yet ^^ [12:44] kubotu: time [12:44] persia: thx, will do [12:44] kubotu: I think you are broken [12:45] kubotu: lets have a look, shall we? [12:45] apachelogger: and we all know who broke him :P [12:45] höhö [12:45] Riddell: I just claimed that you refused :P [12:45] Riddell: may I test if that fixes kopete's issues ? [12:45] Riddell: where's that patch please ? [12:46] somewhere in my inbox I think [12:46] * apachelogger notes that this stuff should go in as soon as beta2 is out, because it really makes using tray menus a PITA [12:47] latest xkcd is awesome :D [12:47] Riddell: ah :) [12:48] Tonio_: I suppose you could try latest dbusmenu-qt bzr branch [12:48] Tonio_: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/index.html [12:48] nice [12:48] ouch.... that's quite a lot of patches to just test.... [12:49] Riddell: I think I'll wait for that to reach out the repos ;) [12:51] kubotu: version [12:51] I'm a v. 0.9.15-git (master branch, revision f00ee3b [IRC: support 'CASEMAPPING=charset' from some idiotic servers]) [8 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes and 19 seconds ago] rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert and the rbot development team - http://ruby-rbot.org [12:51] kubotu: time [12:51] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Wed Apr 07 13:51 CEST [12:51] perfect [12:51] * apachelogger goes breakfasting [13:16] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407121604-cl8n1oump5lk7vod kdebase-workspace/debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [13:16] kubuntu: Add kubuntu_01_fix_dateandtimekcm.diff from upstream to fix a whole [13:16] kubuntu: set of funy bugs in the date&time KCM, amongst them LP: #367164 [13:25] apachelogger: re a comment you made quite a while ago, MOTU is not going away. [13:25] just being refactored [13:25] Slightly. [13:27] * apachelogger goes out a bit [13:33] hey, when did we get CIA running here [13:33] :) [13:53] Tm_T: Around? === evilshadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter === evilshadeslayer is now known as evilshadeslayer_ === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:49] I have a sierra wireless 885 usb GSM adaptor. I think networkmanager is trying to use the wrong ttyUSB device for the data connection. I'm in the process of searching for/submitting a bug for this issue. does anyone have any insight on what I should include other then the output in /var/log/syslog? [17:52] bipolar: seems our resident network manager guy isn't on the channel currently [17:52] Riddell: np. he'll get the bug report :) [17:53] just getting the data together now [18:04] bipolar: just do : ubuntu-bug package_name [18:04] that will put together everything :P [18:10] evilshadeslayer: bah! get off my lawn! :P [18:11] bipolar: hehe :D [18:12] bipolar: if you already reported it do : apport-collect bug_number : :D [18:16] gah! I guess I'll use the newfangled app. I just hit submit on launchpad and it returned me to the package page without submitting the bug. :| [18:17] bipolar: oh one thing to try is the packages of the newer snapshot [18:18] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [18:18] Riddell: I'll give that a shot and append to the bug with results. [18:19] ryanakca: we gonna get new site for lucid? [18:19] * shtylman looks with longing eyes :) [18:19] shtylman: ofir is working on it [18:19] Riddell: will it hit for lucid? [18:19] I doubt we'll get it launched on lucid release day I think the sysadmins are too busy [18:19] we could aim for before of course [18:19] :9 [18:19] :( [18:20] Riddell: why you gonna crush hopes and dreams like that? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:21] Riddell: just read that they again diminished the amount of Kubuntu CDs in the LoCo Team packs... [18:22] o/ [18:23] how do I ask the bot which version of nvidia drivers will be shipped with lucid? [18:23] kubuntu: Harald Sitter * rapachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100407172201-bcemqay89pirp0u9 kubuntu-default-settings/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Revert branding.svg related changes, the only real fix to the problem of visiblity is creating a special logo version for dark backgrounds and expect dark themes to define oxygen as fallback [18:23] amichair: try info nvidia [18:24] kubotu: info nvidia [18:24] !info nvidia [18:24] Package nvidia does not exist in karmic [18:24] oh, right, it has to be the package name [18:24] !info nvidia-glx [18:24] Package nvidia-glx does not exist in karmic [18:24] + lucid too ;) [18:25] amichair: apparently nvidia-96 [18:26] for the restricted driver [18:26] what's 96? latest is 195.36.15 [18:26] must be some version of the 195 I guess [18:27] apt-cache search nividia finds 4 different versions [18:28] amichair: its 195.36.15 [18:28] !info nvidia-current [18:28] Package nvidia-current does not exist in karmic === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [18:28] gah, it still shows the karmic repos only [18:28] !info nvidia-current lucid [18:28] nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 195.36.15-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 22737 kB, installed size 70800 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [18:29] ah... apachelogger ftw! [18:29] apachelogger: thx :) [18:30] Mamarok: thanks too! [18:30] amichair: de nada :) [18:31] apachelogger: I do not like the splash either, it should be disabled by default. I will talk to mtux, if I find the time in the next days. [18:31] it should just not be ther [18:31] e [18:31] how strange, nvidia-glx-185 is driver version 195... something in the naming scheme there is off [18:31] besides the fact that splashes are mostly pointless anyway [18:31] it is especiallyf or choqok [18:32] because if an app that size requires long enough to start that a splash becomes necessary there is a lot more buggy then just the lack of feedback [18:32] neversfelde: I disbaled it via kds trunk now [18:32] will upload once beta2 is out [18:33] apachelogger: ok [18:35] apachelogger: hehe... default browser might change on 10.10 .... Riddell made a brainstorm wiki page :D [18:36] apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm [18:38] we all know that rekonq is not even remotely mature enough, right? [18:39] yes [18:39] k [18:39] apachelogger: i disagree... what feature is missing? [18:39] the only really good browser is Firefox [18:39] features? [18:39] who is talking about features? [18:39] apachelogger: then? [18:39] features != maturity [18:40] * apachelogger doesnt give a cookie about features [18:40] can rekonq manage well certificates? [18:40] ~order cookies [18:40] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna. [18:40] EagleScreen: SSL certificates? [18:40] Mamarok: where's this? [18:40] JontheEchidna: now you must make om nom nom :P [18:40] * JontheEchidna nom [18:40] * JontheEchidna noms [18:41] Riddell: the mail we just got on the loco-contacts mailing list today, I will forward it to you [18:41] * apachelogger giggles [18:41] personal certificates, can I use rekonq to acess to my laboral data, using my identification certificate provided by my goverment? I dude it [18:42] Riddell: mail is sent [18:42] EagleScreen: you dude it? lol.... and no i dont think it does that right now [18:43] does Rekonq work enought well with java stuff? can I upload photos to tuenti.com with its java web application? I can't with Arora, so i supose I can't with Rekonq [18:43] EagleScreen: um Arora!=rekonq [18:43] Firefox is th onñy browser which safitfy all these features [18:43] EagleScreen: rekonq uses kdewebkit... arora is qtwebkit [18:43] JontheEchidna: bug 370229 .. kdm postinst returned with 1? [18:43] Launchpad bug 370229 in kdebase-workspace "my desktop turn automatic to kde, and frostwire dont close completely" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370229 [18:44] * apachelogger would close as untriagable ^^ [18:44] e.g. the most useless error ever [18:44] evilshadeslayer: kdewebkits is nothing but a convenience layer ontop of qtwebkit [18:44] * apachelogger does the looky looky [18:45] in my opinion we (or you) shoud focus to better Firefox KDE integration, because it is the best browser [18:45] EagleScreen: heh.. it says cookies disabled 0_o [18:45] but then again.. im on the latest git build [18:45] JontheEchidna: bug in dpkg I would think ... the postinst does not ever return with 1 unless it was called with an unkown arg [18:46] in which case it even echos an error before exiting [18:46] anyways... gtg :) [18:46] +1 FireFox. It's the only option for newcomers (and veterans), most mature. Should be default. [18:47] JontheEchidna: it would be nice if you could come up with some decent message for closing the bug ;) [18:47] * apachelogger always sounds grumpy [18:47] mostly because I am grumpy when I have to close a bug :/ [18:48] apachelogger: you can always cite reasons of national security as an explanation for closing it. [18:48] ugh, the ones when they start listing all their problems are the worst... [18:49] mgraesslin: any ideas on bug 377704 ? [18:49] +1 firefox. We have the space now, and we already have gtk on the cd since 9.10 [18:49] amichair: lol [18:49] Launchpad bug 377704 in kdebase-workspace "[karmic] compositing disabled - effects could not be activated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377704 [18:51] no idea, normally with NVIDIA it just works [18:51] hm [18:51] mgraesslin: thanks anyway :) [18:58] ScottK: I suppose bug 431164 can be closed as fixed? [18:58] Launchpad bug 431164 in kdebase-workspace "Shutdown widget/power button touch inoperative for first boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431164 [18:58] didnt reappear AFAIK [18:58] also FWIW the shutdown dialogs are from ksmserver, not powerdevil :) [18:58] apachelogger: any word on that printer dialog bug? where it expands beyond the size of the screen? [18:58] or maybe JontheEchidna ^ :) [18:59] more like JontheEchidna :P [19:01] system-config-printer-kde is scary [19:02] lol [19:02] not as scary as krandr(tray) [19:02] trust me [19:05] JontheEchidna: haha ... alright... I will take a look at that bug :) [19:06] know off hand where those files live on disk? [19:16] Riddell, JontheEchidna: btw, I think we should strip the crappy looking default window decorations from the defualt installation [19:16] * JontheEchidna saw a bugreport today with somebody actually using Redmond :S [19:16] ewww [19:17] s/window decorations/window decorations and styles/ [19:17] My dad uses Keramik for windeco, so I must conclude people do not have good taste in general [19:18] because we give them the option to opt for crappyness :P [19:18] we just shouldnt do that IMHO [19:18] + those that have good taste will throw up on their displays [19:18]