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eeini seem to be having an issue with my install.  when i select my user id there is a 5 to 10 second delay before the language and session bar come up on the bottom and then it prompts for the password. any one know what could cause that delay?00:31
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n2diyTest02:07
pteague_worki know i found it before, but for some reason i can't find it now...  how do i disable tap to click on my laptop's touchpad?02:15
pteague_worknm, think i found it02:28
mertlen2diy: hi02:33
* pteague_work crosses fingers & reboots02:33
n2diymertle: hi02:33
n2diymertle: any idea why I would be getting a "cannot send to channel" message in ##electronics?02:35
mertlen2diy: it might be invite only or you need to register your nick02:36
mertlemight be mentioned in the topic at the top02:36
n2diymertle: roger that, I checked the links at the top, two of them are ebooks, and the third is a wiki, that needs a lot more content.02:37
mertleheh - are you registered n2diy ?02:38
n2diymertle: I thought I was, but I'm not sure of it. This is a new test box, that I cloned from my old test box yesterday, I'm still chasing bugs, so.... I'll fire up the old test box, and see if that one works.02:39
mertlek02:39
mertlen2diy: I get the same message using a not registered nick02:40
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n2diymertle: ok, so it is a server problem?02:41
n2diymertle: never mind, I miss read your message, I'll try and register on it.02:41
gottton2diy: registered nick works02:42
n2diywhat is the syntax to register, /register?02:42
gottto!register02:42
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available in #freenode02:43
n2diygottto: thanks02:43
gotttonp02:43
n2diygottto: doesn't work, same message, let me see if it will play with my old box.02:44
gotttok02:44
pteague_laptopyay, got that solved, but the bottom right corner doesn't do the right click :(02:45
n2diynow my old test box is telling me "Starting without admin. privlileges", whats that about, haven't seen that before.02:49
n2diynever mind, I closed the message, and synaptic popped up?02:50
n2diywow, this box, and my old test box, are now logged onto freenode, I didn't think you could do that?02:51
n2diythe other box can't send to ##electronics either, so I have to figure out how to registar, etc...02:53
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Da-M-E-M-0anyone there who can help me?04:02
BalsaqGood evening to all of you who reside here, in the picturesque digital valley known as...Xubuntu!04:15
DraccoHello, I've got a problem with my xubuntu installation. I have 9.10 Ubuntu + xfce installed later. Normally it was calm and cool all the time, but after last update RAM usage increased a lot. Normally working with 2 browsers open, gimp and pidgin it didn't eat more than 350-400mb, now it goes up to even 700mb (I have 1GB RAM installed). Does anybody have similar problem? Is there a way to fix it?07:09
Balsaqjust look at whats running and what each process is using. Dont use the ones that are casuing the ram usage to be so high, if it bothers you.07:14
Draccofirefox atm uses over 170mb ram07:17
Draccofirefox, opera, pidgin are what eats the most and i rather must use them07:18
knomeDracco, i hate to say this, but that's normal for firefox07:18
Draccoi dont use firefox normally, have to do it coz im at work :P07:18
Draccoanyway, those programs didnt eat that much before update07:19
Draccoalso compiz starts "lagging" from time to time that didnt happen before07:19
bazhang2 browsers and compiz?07:20
Draccoyes, 2 browsers are needed because i work on CMS that is buggy like internet explorer and on each browser something else is not working07:20
bazhanggimp as well? why not shut off compiz when browsing / using gimp then07:21
BalsaqEye-Candy needs a lot of RAM...07:21
Draccocompiz uses only 35mb, thats not much really, tho it used less before07:21
bazhangdoubtful its that small07:22
knomeDracco, are you sure the settings are the same?07:22
Draccoyes, unless update changed them07:22
Draccobazhang, it is, at least thats what taskmanager shows07:22
bazhangDracco, and what do top and/or htop show07:23
bazhangat any rate, try disabling it, see if that makes a difference07:23
Draccohtop showing similar07:23
Draccouhm what was command to disable compiz? or should i restart?07:24
bazhangno need to restart07:24
bazhangtrying to remember the window manager for xubuntu07:25
knomexfwm ;)07:25
bazhangxfwm --replace ?07:25
knomeum, i'm not sure if the command is xfwm4 actually07:26
bazhangok :)07:26
Draccook did, checking how is it07:26
Draccouhm, still similar ram usage07:27
Draccolike i said, it happened after last update i downloaded (yesterday), before id didnt eat that much with same programs opened07:30
knomeDracco, did you update the kernel?07:38
Draccouhm to be honest i didnt check what did last update include, it is possible that yes, because before that i updated system like half month ago07:39
knomeyeah07:39
knomethat might be the reason07:39
knomeyou can try loading a previous kernel from grub07:40
Draccowill try, thanks :) atm cant, editing few articles07:40
Draccowhen im done (in like 15 mins) ill give you a shout :)07:41
knomesure07:42
Draccook restart07:53
Draccoback, works like a charm :D08:00
Draccothanks a LOT for help :)08:00
knomeno problem08:02
knomejust throwing ideas in :P08:02
Dracco^^08:02
Draccowell, got to get back to work now, didnt really work since 2 hours :P08:02
Draccoonce again thanks :)08:02
knomehave fun and be productive08:03
Draccothanks ^^08:03
Draccohave a nice day ;) cya :)08:03
BalsaqThank you for choosing Xubuntu.08:06
Ek|mu5hello, how do I get an image to associate with my login in gdm? I tried doing an ln -s /path/to/image.jpg ~/.face but it didn't work.10:25
Ek|mu5on Xubuntu 9.1010:31
BalsaqEk|mu5 i think xsplash would do it12:06
nikolamWow, how to report a bug now on launchpad?12:39
mertle!bug12:41
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots12:41
bazhangnikolam, you understand the message above?12:44
nikolamyep12:45
bazhangthat is in the terminal12:45
nikolamyep yep :)12:45
bazhanglucid?12:45
nikolamhardy12:45
nikolamseamonkey2 , not in release yet.12:46
bazhangserver or desktop12:46
nikolamlooking for post a bug on ppa release12:46
bazhangah a PPA.12:46
bazhangprobably contact the maintainer then12:47
bazhangalthough hardy will give way to the new LTS this month12:47
nikolamyep but so, there is no way to track bugs for ppa software in launchpad?12:48
bazhangnot sure about that, as those are Personal Package Archives, probably giving them feedback would help but not certain that they fall under launchpad12:48
bazhangwhen I say them, I mean the Package publisher, not launchpad12:49
nikolamwould help to have project about that package inside Ubuntu. Do zou know something about that process12:50
nikolamor it will have to just wait after LTS release, to avoid confusion12:50
bazhangwhich one? got a link to the PPA page?12:50
nikolamseamonkey 2 just a sec12:51
bazhangok12:51
bazhangI can google :)12:51
bazhanghttps://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey2  this one, right?12:52
bazhanghe has builds for Lucid already, btw :)12:52
nikolamhttps://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey212:52
nikolamhttps://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre12:52
nikolamthis is newest12:52
nikolamwell there wer for lucid for months..12:52
nikolamMain page: https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey212:53
nikolamso, if project is on launchpad, I again nedd to use ubuntu-bug program ?12:54
bazhanggood question :)12:55
nikolamprevious one is older, with 2.0.3. New one has 2.0.4, working fine , only plugins from mozilla site dont want to install on 64bit , I need to report that etc12:55
bazhangright12:55
nikolamI have it on original bug report here, but is is said to report ppa bugs to ppa etc.12:56
nikolamhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/46186412:56
bazhangwell I'm sure the PPA maintainer will appreciate it, as will the community12:57
nikolamI got answer. Mozilla site host only 32-bit extensions versions13:01
bazhangaha13:01
nikolamSeems like it is question for Mozilla13:01
bazhangdont see the irc nick on his homepage13:02
nikolambut 64bit addons are mostly available on plugins main pages13:04
nikolamhm, would like to know how to delete my own ppa i made once hm13:09
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williamHi I have a problem with intsalling xorg-driver-fglrx. fglrx-amdccle is broken too.15:39
pop2Xubuntu crashes on login with the error that connection to Xorg on 0.0 was reset by peer (error 104) and cannot access resource and related stuff16:20
pop2I made a new user and that works so it must be some of my settings16:21
pop2still dead here? :P16:38
charlie-tcaYou answered your question already16:40
pop2yay16:41
pop2and you proved me wrong!16:41
pop2okay, I get THIS http://pastebin.com/Nvj2XKRf16:42
pop2in .xsession-errors16:42
pop2and when i login i see the swirly blue dots then it goes black and puts me back at login screen16:42
pop2i created a new user, it works fine for him16:42
pop2so i guess it's some user settings16:42
pop2.ICEauthority was owned by root btw. I changed that and it didn't change anything16:43
charlie-tcahmm, change the permissions on /home/USER/.ICEauthority . It needs to owned by USER, with rw for user only, no permissions for anyone else16:44
pop2ah it needs rw16:45
charlie-tcait should be -rw-------16:45
charlie-tcaand must be user and user-group owned16:46
pop2okay i did that, brb :)16:46
pop2nope :P16:47
pop2i still own it, login still broken16:49
pop2still Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0. for all xfce4 processes16:49
charlie-tcadelete the ~/.cache file16:49
pop2folder? :)16:50
charlie-tcayup16:50
pop2it itself or just what's in it? (sometimes one works and the other doesn't :P)16:50
charlie-tcathen if it still won't won't work, delete ~/.cache and ~/.config16:50
charlie-tcaummm, rm -r ~/.cache16:50
pop2k brb16:50
charlie-tcaThen don't save session16:51
andaiyay!16:54
andaiit worked16:54
andaiexcept now everything looks weird (to be expected)16:54
andailike the theme, panel config etc16:54
charlie-tcayes, because deleting .cache disrupts a few configuration items16:55
charlie-tcayou can put it back the way you want it and it should work now16:55
charlie-tcabe sure to save session when quitting16:55
charlie-tcalong term fix... hmm I seem to have forgot16:56
charlie-tcalooking...16:59
charlie-tca9.10, right?17:01
charlie-tcamr_pouit: help? what did we remove to get rid of the twinkle lights after gdm on 9.10?17:02
andaicharlie-tca: Yeah 9.10. Though I guess i can't just copy config back? Though I also guess there are PARTS of config i *can* copy back like the panel settings etc?17:06
andaiand the settings for other software? :P17:06
charlie-tcaYou can, as long as you know to remove them, even one at a time, if it breaks it17:07
andai:)17:08
andaibrb17:08
andaican deleting .cache mess up the theme settings?17:16
charlie-tcamaybe17:18
pop2anyone know what in ~/.config/xfce4/panel might crash the session?17:22
charlie-tcayup17:22
pop2..?17:23
pop2i mean if any specific files cause more trouble than others, lol17:23
pop2there's 28 in mine (most have to do with the items i have on my panel it seems)17:24
pop2and i *like* my panel, i'd like it back, lol17:24
charlie-tcaoh17:24
charlie-tcaI thought you just wanted to know if it crashes the session17:24
charlie-tca:-)17:24
pop2i found out it does :p17:25
charlie-tcahmmm, yes, there are specific plugins that crash things better than others17:25
charlie-tcanow... you gonna want to know more again17:25
charlie-tcagive me a minute17:26
pop2i mean i could reconfigure everything manually but i'd rather copy the non-evil stuff back first, lol17:26
charlie-tcaI think removing gdm theme fixed this issue, but then you don't get the pretty twinkles no more17:27
charlie-tcaokay, xfce4-kbd-plugin is buggy,17:28
charlie-tcacpu govenor ? crashes17:29
charlie-tcabasically, bug 5389717:30
charlie-tcahttps://launchpad.net/bugs/5389717:30
charlie-tcafor the 'bot challenged channel17:31
pop2lol i actually dont even have a cpu governor17:31
pop2i didnt know xfce even had one17:31
pop2i tried to find it :P17:32
charlie-tcathere used to be one, maybe it wasn't in 9.1017:32
charlie-tcait was great at crashing the desktop17:32
pop2that is a lot of bugs lol17:32
pop2so where are my theme settings?17:33
pop2in xsettings i have17:33
pop2    <property name="ThemeName" type="empty"/>17:33
pop2    <property name="IconThemeName" type="empty"/>17:33
pop2btw, [why] isn't it possible to do multiple desktop logins? Like how i can ctrl+alt+f1 for a terminal, why can't I ctrl+alt+f10 for a new desktop login (it would make solving this kinda stuff less tedious lol)17:35
charlie-tcashould have been in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf  and ~/.config/xfce4/xfwm417:35
pop2oh i didnt have anything in xfwm417:35
pop2brb17:36
andaihmm17:38
andaisuddenly i have OPEN TERMINAL HERE in the options everywhere17:38
charlie-tcathe multiple desktops are set in a config file somewhere. Used to be gdm customizations. It is preset to one desktop, on F717:38
andaiwait, you *can* login more than one time, graphically?? cool :D17:39
charlie-tcaYou have to set it up17:39
charlie-tcaBefore 9.10, I could make it work17:39
andaithat's actually one of the things i liked about Linux-mint when i tried it out, it must have had a newer xfce4 (though its gnome variant had it too)17:39
andaithat's pretty useful... so how do i do that? :P17:39
charlie-tcanot part of either one, it is part of the login screen files17:39
charlie-tcaIs mint using gdm?17:40
charlie-tcaThat is the blocker now17:40
charlie-tcaLucid gave us the ability to customize it again, even though you must edit it manually. I don't know that you can in 9.1017:41
andaithe blocker?17:41
andaii think the default mint comes with GNOME yeah17:41
ToStItOsI am trying to install Xubuntu but I am not doing a normal install. On one of my drives I  have Windows and the other drive I am trying to install Xubuntu 9.10. My question is during the Partition part do I do a new partition table or ?????17:41
andaithough there are "community editions" with xfce and fluxbox17:42
andaiToStItOs: There's nothing on the drive you want to install to, right?17:42
charlie-tcaandai: not the desktop, the display manager. gdm is gnome display manager, but they might be using kdm or xdm17:42
andaiToStItOs: And you're sure you have 2 drives and not partitions (lol)?17:42
ToStItOswell I have inteprid17:42
ToStItOson the drive I want to install 9.1017:43
charlie-tcaToStItOs: what are the drives given in partitioning? does it give things like sda and sdb or are they all with the same letters?17:43
andaicharlie-tca: Does xubuntu use gdm too? (or is xdm xfce's desktop manager then?)17:43
ToStItOssda17:44
andaiToStItOs: For both drives?17:44
ToStItOsMy drive is set as a slave currently but17:44
ToStItOsummmm let me check hold on17:45
andaialso lol since i deleted the panel config i keep turning my head up to look for the window list (my monitor is pretty big)17:46
charlie-tcaThen you don't want to do a new table17:46
andaithe default (which it reset to) has them at the bottom :P17:46
charlie-tcaAnd you move them to the top panel?17:47
ToStItOs/dev/sda there is no drive there17:47
charlie-tcaToStItOs 's windows will be on sda17:47
charlie-tcais there a /dev/sdb?17:48
ToStItOsno its sda117:48
andaiToStItOs: If everything is on sda then making a new partition table will kill windows :P17:48
charlie-tcaHe will need to repartition the drive, without losing windows17:48
andaiToStItOs: Is that convenient in the text installer? it's annoying enough (with it rescanning everything every time you change something) in the gui installer, lol17:49
ToStItOsI disconnected the Windows drive17:49
andaiOhh, so there's nothing to lose on the drive you're installing to, right?17:49
andaido you want your settings from Intrepid?17:49
charlie-tcaThen create the new partition table17:49
ToStItOsno17:49
andaiokay good17:49
charlie-tcamoving the settings will cause more issues than andai has17:49
andai...lol17:50
ToStItOsI just want to be able to use both drives17:50
ToStItOslike a dual boot17:50
andaiso there's less of an upside to the portability of linux home folders than i thought?17:50
ToStItOsbut with two drives17:50
charlie-tcaNo, we had major changes from intrepid to jaunty to karmic17:50
charlie-tcaXfce 4.4 to 4.6 was big17:50
charlie-tcaIntrepid was 8.10, so it is a two version jump17:51
andaiahh yeah i actually messed up when installing Karmic cause i thought X still had to be configured manually, lol17:51
ToStItOsI am confused because I have the live cd for Xubuntu but its saying it will install Kubuntu17:52
charlie-tcaThat seems wrong17:52
charlie-tcaKubuntu is much different17:52
charlie-tcadid you get that from http://xubuntu.org/get ?17:53
ToStItOsIts a double sided dvd with MultiUbuntu17:53
ToStItOsno bookstore17:53
charlie-tcahmmm, I think they screwed something up17:53
clutchHey, I have 30 gigs of unallocated space between my Win7 and Xubuntu partions.  What filesystem should I use to make make it accessible to both sides?17:53
clutchGonna put my music on it.17:53
charlie-tcaclutch: ntfs-3g17:53
andaicharlie-tca: Is NTFS a good idea? Most of the stuff I've read about it must be outdated then :P17:54
clutchcharlie-tca: ok, thanks.  Is it possible to move my home directory over there as well.  I'd like to have one place for all my files on both OS's17:54
ToStItOsWell should I switch it to the other and just do Ubuntu17:54
charlie-tcaIf you want to read it from windows, you need ntfs, yes17:54
clutchRight, that's what I though.17:54
charlie-tcaTrying to use the same directory for home on both systems will really screw up17:55
clutchDamn.  NTFS option is greyed out in gparted.17:55
charlie-tcaYou could use a small partition for /home and then use a big one for documents and such readable from both systems17:55
clutchbah17:55
clutchProbably do that then17:55
charlie-tcaclutch: what version of xubuntu?17:55
clutch9.10, from minimal ISO, all up-to-date17:56
andaiclutch: Install nftsprogs17:56
andaintfsprogs*17:56
clutchok, thanks17:56
ToStItOsCharlie should I reverse the dvd and do a Ubuntu install17:57
andaiToStItOs: Maybe the Kubuntu option will install Xubuntu, lol!17:57
clutchAre you trying to end up with xubuntu at the end?17:57
clutchBecause I'm a huge fan of the minimal iso personally17:58
ToStItOsyeah I don't want Kubuntu17:58
clutchnobody wants kubuntu lol17:58
ToStItOsI heard17:58
clutchapt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install xubuntu-desktop17:58
andaiI heard Kubuntu is getting quite good actually... i just tried it 3 years ago and thought the themes were really ugly, but they look ok now i guess lol17:58
clutchplus there's some copypasta on the forums somewhere to remove all of kde's junk17:59
ToStItOsI am actually doing a clean install17:59
clutchI like the older ones.  Used kde3 with backtrack and it was nice.17:59
clutchkde4 is a mess though17:59
andailol actually it looks pretty bad from the screenshots17:59
andaia mess? I thought it was like a giant leap forward or something18:00
clutchI dunno, I thought the user interface was just obnoxiously cartoony, and confusing to navigate.18:00
ToStItOsWhat is Kubuntu used for anyways18:00
andaiclutch oh so can you tell me what partitioning is like on the minimal iso? in the live install it's annoying and i have to wait for it to scan all the partitions on all my drives EVERY TIME I ADJUST SOMETHING18:00
andaiToStItOs: People who prefer KDE18:01
ToStItOsNot for me18:01
clutchandai: I believe it still needs to scan all the partitions.  Probably a little quicker though since there's no desktop and whatnot going on.18:01
andaiclutch: What about the management, like how do you add/move/resize18:02
andaiis there a text-based gui sorta thing?18:02
clutchyeah18:02
clutchits like that18:02
clutchI'm not super familiar with using it though, I did my partitions from win7 and then installed to the unallocated space.18:02
clutchI was told that was the simplest way to dual boot.  I could be wrong though.18:02
andaiclutch: Does the minimal iso come with the same stuff the standard live one does?18:04
clutchIt has the bare minimum to boot, and then you select the packages you want.18:05
andaiah cool18:05
andaiso there's no gnome stuff either? hmm18:05
clutchIt downloads them so you don't have to sit through 8 hours of updates after the install.18:05
andaiah lol yeah18:05
clutchnope.  gnome free18:05
andaithat does sound pretty good actually18:05
clutchplus the iso is tiny.  Takes like 5 minutes to d/l18:05
andaiand i'm sure with some more skill i could find a way to customize the ISO and automate the entire process? :)18:05
andaiand perhaps even download the latest copy of my home directory from a server? LOL18:05
clutchprobably, yeah18:06
clutchlol18:06
clutchThats a little over my head though18:06
* andai is quite into this stuff18:06
clutchgoogle around for slip-streaming ubuntu install disks18:06
andaiyou know i'm actually working on a portable home folder type thing using batch files and the CLI 7-zip, on windows18:06
clutchI'm sure its been done18:06
andaiit's useful for at school where they have IE and the desktop resolution is set WAY TO LOW (and resets after reboot)18:07
clutchIf I can find a way to share my home directory between xubuntu and win7 pro i'll be happy18:07
clutchI think I would have to put my /home on a tiny ntfs partition though, and it seems like a pain in the ass18:07
andaiwhy tiny? :P18:08
andaihere I asked18:08
andaitheadmin: andai: NTFS is fine but 2 problems, 1) it considers all files executable, 2) it's kind of a slow18:08
clutchwell, tiny compared to the rest of the HDD18:08
andaiso i'm not sure you should put your home folder on there18:08
clutchright18:09
clutchso instead of having my music and pictures in /home/Music and /home/Pictures, they get dumped into a 30gig ntfs partition for the time being18:09
andaiclutch: are you running GUI now18:09
clutchyes18:09
andaiwhich one? :P18:10
clutchxfce418:10
andaitheadmin: andai: It'd better not be o_O  [ home folder on FAT or NTFS ]18:10
andaiclutch! I have found a solution18:12
clutchorly?18:12
andaithe whole home folder shouldn't be on a windows partition18:12
andaibut you *can* (i have heard from one dude in #ubuntu just now) replace Desktop, Downloads, etc with symlinks to the same folders on a NTFS partition18:13
andaiso that should work fine :P18:13
andaiI might try that myself sometime, =D18:14
clutchHmm.  Worth a try.  I need to mess around with this for a while, I'm not 100% positive wtf I'm doing.  Dual-boot-virgin.18:14
andaihaha i've been doing this for 3 years, though i had a dark age where i switched  back to windows without even really realizing what i was doing, for like 5 months18:14
andailike "hmm i need to use Flash 8 for a few days let's just boot up XP"18:14
clutchlol18:15
andaiand then like months later when XP became so slow it was unusable18:15
andaii realized the reason i had no space on XP was cause i had like 90gb of free space on my ubuntu home folder18:15
clutchbb in a bit, need to reboot and see if any of this worked...18:15
clutchSo far so good.  Can see my Dump partition from win7 with no hassles.18:22
clutchNow I just need to figure out how to get it somewhere easily accessible in xubuntu without having to sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mountshithere18:22
andaifstab? :P18:23
andaiand link on desktop18:23
andaii should do that too, i keep having to manually mount my windows partition18:23
clutchThanks, will check out the man page for that.  No link to desktop though.  I hate desktop icons.  I have none at all.18:23
andailet's see who can figure it out first, lol18:23
andaireally? what do you use instead?18:23
clutcha terminal18:24
clutchor thunar18:24
clutchif I'm lazy18:24
andailol18:24
clutchicons just clutter up my workspace18:24
andaixfce4 without desktop18:24
andaibut yes panel?18:24
clutchyeah, i have the panel18:24
andaiohh18:24
clutchjust for the clock and a shortcut to firefox, terminal, and thunar18:24
clutchand minimized stuff, workspaces, etc18:25
andaintfs configuration tool18:25
andaisudo apt-get install ntfs-config18:25
andaithat'll fstab it for you18:25
clutchkk, one sec18:25
andai/dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 018:26
andaii got that18:26
andaiis the 4th option even necessary?18:26
clutchno idea18:26
clutchsuggestions on where I should mount the dump partition to?18:27
clutchdoes it matter18:27
andaiyou're using the ntfs config tool?18:28
andaiwhat does it suggest? :P18:28
knomeclutch, /mnt is used for that traditionally18:28
knomeclutch, but you can use whatever mountpoint you fancy :)18:28
andaiknome: not /media?18:28
clutchknome: right, that's kind of what i figured18:29
knome/media if you mount it all the time, /mnt if temporarily18:29
knomei mount my other drive to /data18:29
clutchI'll mount it to media then, that makes sense18:29
andaiall the time :P18:29
Sachse_SiechtumI can't install pulse audio18:30
clutchOH WAIT, I see.18:30
clutchthis tool is misleading18:30
knomeclutch, probably /media/something in that case so you can mount more later on to /media/somethingelse18:30
clutchit tells you to set a mount point, but...18:30
Sachse_Siechtumsynaptic says: pulseaudio:18:30
Sachse_Siechtum  Hängt ab: libpulse0 (=1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4), aber es wird 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1 installiert18:30
Sachse_Siechtum Hängt ab: pulseaudio-module-udev, aber es wird nicht installiert18:30
Sachse_Siechtum Empfiehlt: pulseaudio-module-x11, aber es wird nicht installiert18:30
Sachse_Siechtum Empfiehlt: pulseaudio-esound-compat, aber es wird nicht installiert18:30
clutchautomatically sets it to /media/whateveryoutellit18:30
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clutchDamn.  I just set it mount my Windows partition too on accident, lol.18:32
clutchProbably gonna cause more problems than anything18:32
andaihm?18:33
andaioh lol18:33
clutchYeah, I don't want to accidentally write to it from linux18:33
clutchoops.18:33
clutchshould fix that lol18:34
clutchGuess I can just remove that line from my stab, yeah?18:34
knomestab, heh. fstab, i suppose18:35
clutchoh yeah, typo.  meant fstab lol18:35
andaiyeah18:36
andaii can't use ntfs tool more than once, lol18:36
andaii wonder if removing the lines from fstab will re-activate it18:36
andailol no!18:37
clutchNo, I noticed that too.  That tool is wacky, editing fstab is probably less hassle18:37
andaithat is odd18:37
andaigaga18:37
andai*haha18:37
clutchclutch@ubuDesk:/media/Dump$ ls18:37
clutchMusic  Pictures  $RECYCLE.BIN  System Volume Information18:37
clutchwtf18:37
clutchwhy is there a recycle bin lol18:37
andai...cause you created it in windows?18:37
clutchRight, but what is it doing on that partition?18:38
knomeclutch, that's the way windows works.18:38
andaii think it's funny that linux/mac/windows all use different folders for deleted files (so you can only restore using the os you deleted it in)18:38
andaiclutch: If you deleted stuff there in windows windows would just move it to that folder :P18:38
clutchOh wow.  Thats...helpfull I guess?18:39
andaiand then empty recycle bin or delete in recycle bin would actually remove it from the folder listing18:39
andailol18:39
andaibut even then you could restore it with undelete tools :P18:39
clutchWhat about the System Volume Information?  Is that necessary, or can I get rid of it?18:39
clutchIt bugs me that it put files in there without asking or telling me.18:40
clutch:(18:40
knomeclutch, if you don't use the drive in windows, sure.18:40
knomeclutch, if you use, you'd better keep it18:40
andailol18:40
clutchah, ok.18:40
andaiwhat did it put there??18:40
knomethat's some kind of info file for windows18:40
clutchA recycle bin and a System Info folder18:40
andaiah yeah those are hidden in windows (i think even if you tell it to show hidden and system files)18:41
andaiand i guess it did that to save hassle later (then it would have to check if it's the first time you're deleting something, lol)18:41
clutchlearn something new every day18:41
andaior i guess they could program it, if !exists RECYCLER mkdir RECYCLER, lol, but that would be a few cpu cycles extra everytime you deleted something18:42
andaii wonder what happens if you remove recycle bin folder and then boot windows and delete files :P18:42
clutchwin7 / 018:42
clutchworld explodes18:42
clutchsomething like that18:42
andailol18:43
andaiearth cracks in two and falls down18:43
clutchActually, probably just another weird, uninformative windows error message18:43
andaitry it lol18:43
clutchLike, "This program has stopped working"18:43
clutchno shit, Windows18:43
andaii think it's empty anyway right? you could just make i again18:43
clutchI wondered why you dumped me back to the desktop18:43
andailol what i hate most about windows is when windows gives me an error like THIS PROGRAM CAUSED AN ERROR AND MUST BE SHUT DOWN18:43
andaibut the program still WORKS FINE18:43
clutchThe recycle bin is, that other one has all kinds of stuff in it18:43
andaiand you can't get rid of the window without pressing something but as soon as you press something it kills the program18:44
clutchprobably just not going to fsck with it18:44
andaifsck lol18:44
andaiBefore the rise of journaling file systems, it was common for an improperly shut-down Unix system's file system to develop a corrupted superblock. This possibly-serious problem could only be resolved by running fsck, which could take anywhere from a few seconds to hours, depending on the volume's size and disk I/O throughput. Because of the severity of fsck not being able to resolve this error, the terms "fsck" and "fscked" have come into use am18:44
ToStItOsThats Microsoft for you18:44
ToStItOslike defrag18:45
clutchdid you just look up fsck on wikipedia?  lol18:45
andaiclutch Yeah i forgot what it was for when you used it in such a different context18:46
clutchlol nice18:46
andaiand then handily wiki had a section on "Use as profanity"18:46
andai:D18:46
clutchWell, I've officially accomplished what I wanted to do today.  Thank you #xubuntu18:46
clutchnice18:46
andaiyay18:46
andaii should do that sometime. ATM all my music is on an external drive lol18:46
andaibut for when i setup my new computer (nonexistent, yet)18:47
clutchI've been putting it off for a week because I thought it would be a pain.  Wasn't so bad though.18:47
andaimy goal is like, 8 processors, 64GB ram, that kinda stuff18:47
andailol18:47
clutchintel 6-cores18:47
andaii guess the secondary goal is get lots of money first haha18:47
clutcharound $500018:47
andaiyeah XD18:47
andainot to mention the kind of mobo i'd need for all that ram, lol18:47
clutchI just built a brand new i5-750 rig for about $80018:47
charlie-tcaandai: apt-get purge xsplash18:48
clutchplenty fast for damn near anything18:48
andaicharlie-tca: ??18:48
andaiclutch: 800 for everything you mean?18:48
charlie-tcafix that login issue permanent, even though you lose the twinkle screen after gdm18:48
clutchnot including monitor, mouse, keyboard, but yeah18:48
andaicharlie-tca: Oh no! The twinkles18:48
andaiwill i just see black for longer instead?18:48
clutchoh snap.  Linux needs to twinkles to run right guys, be carefull.18:49
clutch:)18:49
charlie-tcaNo, you see the background without the white twinkles18:49
andaiahh cool18:49
andaii was confused about the twinkles anyway18:49
andailol...18:49
clutchlol that's weird18:49
andaii mean who thought that was cool18:49
andaithey should have put like, a flaming penguin running around18:50
andaialso lol18:50
andaihttp://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-750-overclock,2438.html118:50
andaioverclock that yo18:50
clutchyeah i know18:50
clutchpeople have been getting them up to around 4.2ghz on air cooling18:50
charlie-tcasorry, had to go feed the grandson18:51
clutchI wont oc mine until it gets outdated and slow though.18:51
andailol18:51
clutchI love the temps @ stock speeds18:51
andaishortens lifespan?18:51
clutchidles at 19celsius18:51
clutchno lie18:51
andaihaha wow18:51
clutchsometimes as low as 1618:51
andaithat's... colder than my room18:51
andaiwtf18:51
clutchI am in a cold basement, but still18:51
andaioh haha18:51
andaiin jumpers? :D18:51
clutchstock cooler, no less18:51
clutchfull load I've never seen it get hotter than 65 celsius18:52
andaii've been thinking about putting a hole in my wall and a tube of insulation to go around my computer and outside18:52
andaiso i get good temps18:52
clutchI have a feeling this chip will outlive me18:52
andailol18:52
clutchhaha18:52
clutchI've thought about running a tube from a window a/c unit directly into my front intake fan18:53
andaithough i guess 2 smaller holes, tubes in and out of the case and a bunch of small fans wouldnt hurt either18:53
andaiyeah lol18:53
clutchget big fans18:53
andaihm?18:53
andaino i mean for inside the tube, lol18:53
clutchoh18:53
clutchwell get a big tube then18:53
clutchand big fans18:53
andailol18:53
andaior a box with big fans to go outside to pump air really powerfully into a smaller tube18:54
andailike normal AC does, lol18:54
clutchSince I am a poor college student with no external drives, I need to find a way to transfer 15 gigs of music from my laptop to my desktop.18:54
andaior maybe like a machine that generates sin waves with a flap18:54
clutchThinking FTP18:54
andai15? pathetic18:54
andaii put 100 on my external drive a few days ago lol18:54
clutchInorite?18:54
clutchI only keep quality.18:54
clutchIf I never listen to it, it gets deleted18:54
clutchI have never needed a HDD larger than 300gigs18:55
andaitechnology is cool, this drive is a bit bigger than a credit card, as thick as my little finger and 500GB (and no external supply needed)18:55
andaime neither but this just looked really cool and tiny so i bought it lol18:55
clutchone of those mypassports or whatever?18:55
andaino thems be gay18:55
andaithough this is gay too, i can't even get it to boot linux18:55
clutchthems be gay indeed18:55
andai(the internet has created new breeds of english grammar in my brain)18:55
clutchthat would be "intarnetz"18:56
Sachse_Siechtumpproblem solved...had to install an older version of libpulse18:56
andaii learnt how to edit xfce themes, i r happy18:56
Sachse_Siechtumandai, nice18:57
andaibasically i hated how the focused and unfocused window color was the same so i wanted to change it18:57
clutchDamnit...I need to transfer all that music and setting up an FTP for a onetime use seems like a waste of work.18:57
andaibut turns out (even though its a really simple theme that would just be a 1kb textfile in openbox) that it was like 20 png files18:57
andaiclutch what?18:57
andaiyou mean FTP on the recieving computer?18:57
clutchYeah.18:58
charlie-tcaclutch: if they are in the same system, just use samba18:58
clutchNo, they are on my gf's macbook18:58
TheSheepclutch: just tar it up and send with netcat18:58
clutchlol18:58
clutchooooh18:58
charlie-tcaput in ssh and scp it18:58
TheSheepor even better, scp18:58
TheSheepyeah18:58
andaiTheSheep wtf18:58
clutch^^good idea18:58
clutchtthanks18:58
TheSheep!scp18:58
ubottuSCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/18:58
andaithesheep I meant the ubottu message18:59
clutchyou think the macbook has SSH set up by default?18:59
clutchIf i could do this without getting off my ass that would be perfect18:59
clutchlol18:59
andaiit has Darwin terminal right?18:59
clutchyeah18:59
TheSheepandai: that factoid is there for a reason18:59
andaiyou could try it19:00
andaiTheSheep but why did you send it to me?19:00
clutchi'm going to, brb19:00
andaiits motivation is that foreign users might not understand, but my "i r happy" wasn't meant to help foreign linux users :P19:00
clutchrunning nmap scan to find her macbook right now lol19:01
andaifind?19:01
clutchI'm that lazy that I don't want to go upstairs to get its IP19:01
andaii'm not sure you can ssh *into* her macbook from here lol19:01
clutchIM GOING TO TRY DAMNIT19:01
clutchlol19:01
andaihahhaa19:01
andaii thought he meant to ssh into the receiving computer and upload the files that way19:02
clutchHell naw.  I want to ssh into the macbook and pull the files down to my machine here in the basement19:02
clutchhopefully all without getting up19:02
clutchprobably not going to work though19:02
andaiTheSheep if they talk about puppies and autism why don't they just merge the *buntu-offtopics?19:02
mikubuntui am gettg way flusterred with my laptop.  i can't get dvd to eject after viewing without restarting the computer.  vlc and movie player don't seem to have 'eject' buttons, and the manual button on the dvd will not work unless i restart.  what gives?19:08
clutchtry right-clicking on your dvd drive in a file manager and select eject?19:11
clutchotherwise I would search around for ubuntu and your specific laptop model to see if there's some known issue with it.19:12
clutchbrb19:20
charlie-tcamikubuntu: try using eject in terminal, also19:20
mikubuntucharlie-tca, in terminal just enter 'eject' ?19:27
charlie-tcayes19:28
mikubuntui'll try it19:28
charlie-tcathere are two commands you can use, exo-eject and eject19:28
mikubuntuok, thx, i'll try19:28
charlie-tcaeject by itself is the cdrom/dvd drive19:28
mikubuntucool, thanks, eject works!!!19:29
charlie-tcaGreat :-)19:29
charlie-tcahttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/19564919:30
mikubuntumoving on to UGLY BETTY, Season 1, Disk 3, Episodes 9-1219:30
clutchmikubuntu: if you want, you can make an icon in your panel to eject it as well19:31
clutchthat way you don't have to use terminal/thunar19:31
clutchJust add a new launcher to the panel with "eject" for the command and whatever icon you want19:38
Arpad2hello19:38
clutchhey19:39
charlie-tca!hi | Arpad219:40
ubottuArpad2: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!19:40
Arpad2hi charlie-tca19:40
charlie-tcabug 19564919:40
charlie-tcaubottu: how come you don't know bugs here?19:40
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:40
* charlie-tca kicks ubottu 19:41
clutchubottu: emacs or vi?19:41
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:41
clutchThey need to get the guy who made Bucket over in #xkcd in here19:41
clutchbest irc bot ever.  lol19:42
Sysiubottu's best ♥19:42
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)19:42
Arpad2gigolo cant connect to partition, drive d in xp, but it is the sda5 partition19:44
Arpad2can smb help me?19:45
Arpad2please19:46
clutchSorry, I'm not familiar with gigolo19:48
clutchis the drive mounted though?19:48
charlie-tca!gigolo19:49
rabchi folks can anyone help quick question just installed xubuntu and wondering what is the best unrar package to use or is there on already installed19:49
charlie-tcarabc: install unrar19:49
charlie-tcaor just try clicking the file in Thunar file manager and see if it can unpackage it19:50
rabcthanks charlie19:50
rabcwould prefer GUI but want to learn command line19:50
Arpad2arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/windows-d19:51
Arpad2fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy19:51
charlie-tcabut gui will tell you if the package is installed. If it can't extract the files, it is not installed19:51
rabcill have a look at thunar now19:51
rabcthanks charlie19:51
charlie-tcaYou don't mount that way using fuse, Arpad219:51
rabcis there a good primer on basic command prompts19:52
Arpad2ok19:52
charlie-tcarabc: yes, just a minute19:52
rabcno panic thanks charlie19:52
clutchMy God, I love FLAC.19:55
charlie-tcarabc: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/basic-commands/C/19:58
Arpad2i also used this: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /media/windows-d. now it seems it works:)19:59
rabcthanks charlie look the now19:59
charlie-tcaThat 's because it is closer to correct, Arpad219:59
rabcby the way what is the install size of xubuntu19:59
charlie-tca1.5 GB19:59
rabcis their a leuge table of linux OS and install size anywhere?20:00
rabcthanks20:00
rabcwhat would a small OS take up roughly20:00
Arpad2why has than xubuntu occupied ca 5 GB on my hard disk?20:00
charlie-tcarabc: puppy is about 100 MB20:00
charlie-tcaThere is DSL is about 5020:00
charlie-tcamb20:00
charlie-tcaArpad2: added items20:01
Arpad2ok20:01
Arpad2i have still one bug20:01
charlie-tcaLubuntu is about 900MB, I think20:01
Arpad2but perhaps the bug is in my old pc20:01
rabcthanks charlie would puppy be about the smallest stable one20:02
TheSheepthere are also some micro-distributions for things like pdas20:02
charlie-tcaNo, there are others I can't think of20:03
TheSheepyou can have system and X in under 10MB20:03
rabcok thanks20:03
rabcwow under 10mb20:03
TheSheepbut their functionality is rather limited20:03
TheSheepand you can't compile all the apps on them20:03
Arpad2it appeared in ubuntu , knoppix, ylmf--cannot connect to the internet via network, only with sudo20:04
rabcif u uninstall all unecessary programs in xubuntu what would you end up with roughly20:04
charlie-tcaArpad2: that is a bug20:04
charlie-tcadead machine20:04
charlie-tcarabc ^ ^20:04
Arpad2so pc terminally ill?20:05
Arpad2:)20:05
charlie-tcaArpad2: no, yours is a bug20:05
charlie-tcarabc: There is something called minimal install, it lets you decide what to install. Done properly, you would have a working system with no apps20:06
charlie-tcaWell, that was wrong. Working system with apps you wanted only...20:06
charlie-tcaWe install some extra stuff that is not needed, but makes life easier on developers and others20:07
Arpad2is it possibble to have a webcan in pidgin?20:12
Arpad2m20:12
Arpad2:)20:12
ay_Can anyone tell me how to get emesene on xubuntu? I tried sudo apt-get install emesene but it says it couldn't find the package20:17
charlie-tcaMaybe it doesn't exist20:18
charlie-tca!info emesene20:18
ubottuemesene (source: emesene): platform independent MSN Messenger client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5-1ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 1602 kB, installed size 5384 kB20:18
charlie-tcamaybe you typed it wrong20:19
ay_I tried it a couple different times20:19
charlie-tcaTry the package manager instead: Applications -> system -> Synaptic Package Manager20:19
charlie-tcaWhat version of Xubuntu?20:19
ay_Really old version20:20
ay_6.0620:20
charlie-tcaProbably did not exist for it20:21
charlie-tca6.06 is end of life real soon. Good chance to upgrade to 10.0420:22
charlie-tcathe upgrade would be 6.06 to 8.04 to 10.0420:23
ay_I'll try to upgrade20:23
charlie-tca10.04 releases on the 29th20:23
charlie-tcaThe first version with emesene was 8.0420:24
ay_can I upgrade without having to use a live cd?20:24
charlie-tcayes, before the version reaches end of life.20:25
ay_alright I will try to do that20:25
rabcsorry charlie was away there catching up now20:25
charlie-tcahttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes20:26
rabchow do ya do a minimal install20:26
charlie-tcaStart with the alternate cd. pick "expert" option20:26
charlie-tcaBe ready for lots of issues if you leave anything needed out20:27
rabcis there a list of critical installs20:28
Arpad2can smb tell me what this mean: Adding this PPA to your system...what is ppa?20:28
charlie-tcarabc: not really20:29
charlie-tcaArpad2: Personal Package Archive20:29
charlie-tcaArpad2: place on launchpad where someone built a package for the application you are installing20:29
Arpad2where is launchpad?20:31
Arpad2:(20:31
charlie-tcaIt is where bugs are reported, and packages are kept and tracked20:39
charlie-tcahttps://help.launchpad.net20:39
Arpad2success:) i ve installed a new app:)!20:49
Arpad2keepassx20:50
charlie-tca;-)20:54
Arpad2:)20:55
Arpad2now i will have to figure out how to transfer date from win keepass to keepassx, if its possibble20:56
Arpad2data20:56
charlie-tcashould be able to just open the windows file in Xubuntu20:56
charlie-tcabut read the docs!20:57
charlie-tca/usr/share/doc/keepassx20:57
Arpad2ok20:57
Arpad2thx!20:57
sausyI need help! My desk doesnt show any menu bar... Plez!!21:05
sausyAny??21:06
sausySomeone here?21:06
sausyI need some help!!21:06
sausy:(21:07
Sysi!ask21:07
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)21:07
Sysipanels lost?21:07
charlie-tca!panels | sausy21:07
ubottusausy: Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/21:07
sausyUuh! Really work! Thanks!21:18
* nikolam ask himself.. why (oh why) I need to learn Perl, just to rename 20 files..22:05
nikolamin DOS it was so easy. ren *000* *00*22:06
charlie-tcaYou don't really have to learn perl, there is an application for that in the repositories.22:15
charlie-tcaI just can't remember the name now. It used to be installed by default22:16
charlie-tcanikolam: take a look at gprename22:56
charlie-tcaalso, mrename22:57

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