[00:31] i seem to be having an issue with my install. when i select my user id there is a 5 to 10 second delay before the language and session bar come up on the bottom and then it prompts for the password. any one know what could cause that delay? === mOOey is now known as m00se === m00se is now known as `mOOse` [02:07] Test [02:15] i know i found it before, but for some reason i can't find it now... how do i disable tap to click on my laptop's touchpad? [02:28] nm, think i found it [02:33] n2diy: hi [02:33] * pteague_work crosses fingers & reboots [02:33] mertle: hi [02:35] mertle: any idea why I would be getting a "cannot send to channel" message in ##electronics? [02:36] n2diy: it might be invite only or you need to register your nick [02:36] might be mentioned in the topic at the top [02:37] mertle: roger that, I checked the links at the top, two of them are ebooks, and the third is a wiki, that needs a lot more content. [02:38] heh - are you registered n2diy ? [02:39] mertle: I thought I was, but I'm not sure of it. This is a new test box, that I cloned from my old test box yesterday, I'm still chasing bugs, so.... I'll fire up the old test box, and see if that one works. [02:39] k [02:40] n2diy: I get the same message using a not registered nick === mertle is now known as gottto [02:41] mertle: ok, so it is a server problem? [02:41] mertle: never mind, I miss read your message, I'll try and register on it. [02:42] n2diy: registered nick works [02:42] what is the syntax to register, /register? [02:42] !register [02:43] Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. Registration help available in #freenode [02:43] gottto: thanks [02:43] np [02:44] gottto: doesn't work, same message, let me see if it will play with my old box. [02:44] k [02:45] yay, got that solved, but the bottom right corner doesn't do the right click :( [02:49] now my old test box is telling me "Starting without admin. privlileges", whats that about, haven't seen that before. [02:50] never mind, I closed the message, and synaptic popped up? [02:51] wow, this box, and my old test box, are now logged onto freenode, I didn't think you could do that? [02:53] the other box can't send to ##electronics either, so I have to figure out how to registar, etc... === Nancy is now known as Guest58724 === CrimsonIdol is now known as 30BAAGDS3 [04:02] anyone there who can help me? [04:15] Good evening to all of you who reside here, in the picturesque digital valley known as...Xubuntu! [07:09] Hello, I've got a problem with my xubuntu installation. I have 9.10 Ubuntu + xfce installed later. Normally it was calm and cool all the time, but after last update RAM usage increased a lot. Normally working with 2 browsers open, gimp and pidgin it didn't eat more than 350-400mb, now it goes up to even 700mb (I have 1GB RAM installed). Does anybody have similar problem? Is there a way to fix it? [07:14] just look at whats running and what each process is using. Dont use the ones that are casuing the ram usage to be so high, if it bothers you. [07:17] firefox atm uses over 170mb ram [07:18] firefox, opera, pidgin are what eats the most and i rather must use them [07:18] Dracco, i hate to say this, but that's normal for firefox [07:18] i dont use firefox normally, have to do it coz im at work :P [07:19] anyway, those programs didnt eat that much before update [07:19] also compiz starts "lagging" from time to time that didnt happen before [07:20] 2 browsers and compiz? [07:20] yes, 2 browsers are needed because i work on CMS that is buggy like internet explorer and on each browser something else is not working [07:21] gimp as well? why not shut off compiz when browsing / using gimp then [07:21] Eye-Candy needs a lot of RAM... [07:21] compiz uses only 35mb, thats not much really, tho it used less before [07:22] doubtful its that small [07:22] Dracco, are you sure the settings are the same? [07:22] yes, unless update changed them [07:22] bazhang, it is, at least thats what taskmanager shows [07:23] Dracco, and what do top and/or htop show [07:23] at any rate, try disabling it, see if that makes a difference [07:23] htop showing similar [07:24] uhm what was command to disable compiz? or should i restart? [07:24] no need to restart [07:25] trying to remember the window manager for xubuntu [07:25] xfwm ;) [07:25] xfwm --replace ? [07:26] um, i'm not sure if the command is xfwm4 actually [07:26] ok :) [07:26] ok did, checking how is it [07:27] uhm, still similar ram usage [07:30] like i said, it happened after last update i downloaded (yesterday), before id didnt eat that much with same programs opened [07:38] Dracco, did you update the kernel? [07:39] uhm to be honest i didnt check what did last update include, it is possible that yes, because before that i updated system like half month ago [07:39] yeah [07:39] that might be the reason [07:40] you can try loading a previous kernel from grub [07:40] will try, thanks :) atm cant, editing few articles [07:41] when im done (in like 15 mins) ill give you a shout :) [07:42] sure [07:53] ok restart [08:00] back, works like a charm :D [08:00] thanks a LOT for help :) [08:02] no problem [08:02] just throwing ideas in :P [08:02] ^^ [08:02] well, got to get back to work now, didnt really work since 2 hours :P [08:02] once again thanks :) [08:03] have fun and be productive [08:03] thanks ^^ [08:03] have a nice day ;) cya :) [08:06] Thank you for choosing Xubuntu. [10:25] hello, how do I get an image to associate with my login in gdm? I tried doing an ln -s /path/to/image.jpg ~/.face but it didn't work. [10:31] on Xubuntu 9.10 [12:06] Ek|mu5 i think xsplash would do it [12:39] Wow, how to report a bug now on launchpad? [12:41] !bug [12:41] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [12:44] nikolam, you understand the message above? [12:45] yep [12:45] that is in the terminal [12:45] yep yep :) [12:45] lucid? [12:45] hardy [12:46] seamonkey2 , not in release yet. [12:46] server or desktop [12:46] looking for post a bug on ppa release [12:46] ah a PPA. [12:47] probably contact the maintainer then [12:47] although hardy will give way to the new LTS this month [12:48] yep but so, there is no way to track bugs for ppa software in launchpad? [12:48] not sure about that, as those are Personal Package Archives, probably giving them feedback would help but not certain that they fall under launchpad [12:49] when I say them, I mean the Package publisher, not launchpad [12:50] would help to have project about that package inside Ubuntu. Do zou know something about that process [12:50] or it will have to just wait after LTS release, to avoid confusion [12:50] which one? got a link to the PPA page? [12:51] seamonkey 2 just a sec [12:51] ok [12:51] I can google :) [12:52] https://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey2 this one, right? [12:52] he has builds for Lucid already, btw :) [12:52] https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2 [12:52] https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre [12:52] this is newest [12:52] well there wer for lucid for months.. [12:53] Main page: https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2 [12:54] so, if project is on launchpad, I again nedd to use ubuntu-bug program ? [12:55] good question :) [12:55] previous one is older, with 2.0.3. New one has 2.0.4, working fine , only plugins from mozilla site dont want to install on 64bit , I need to report that etc [12:55] right [12:56] I have it on original bug report here, but is is said to report ppa bugs to ppa etc. [12:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/461864 [12:57] well I'm sure the PPA maintainer will appreciate it, as will the community [13:01] I got answer. Mozilla site host only 32-bit extensions versions [13:01] aha [13:01] Seems like it is question for Mozilla [13:02] dont see the irc nick on his homepage [13:04] but 64bit addons are mostly available on plugins main pages [13:09] hm, would like to know how to delete my own ppa i made once hm === ardian_flossk is now known as Lulzim_flossk [15:39] Hi I have a problem with intsalling xorg-driver-fglrx. fglrx-amdccle is broken too. [16:20] Xubuntu crashes on login with the error that connection to Xorg on 0.0 was reset by peer (error 104) and cannot access resource and related stuff [16:21] I made a new user and that works so it must be some of my settings [16:38] still dead here? :P [16:40] You answered your question already [16:41] yay [16:41] and you proved me wrong! [16:42] okay, I get THIS http://pastebin.com/Nvj2XKRf [16:42] in .xsession-errors [16:42] and when i login i see the swirly blue dots then it goes black and puts me back at login screen [16:42] i created a new user, it works fine for him [16:42] so i guess it's some user settings [16:43] .ICEauthority was owned by root btw. I changed that and it didn't change anything [16:44] hmm, change the permissions on /home/USER/.ICEauthority . It needs to owned by USER, with rw for user only, no permissions for anyone else [16:45] ah it needs rw [16:45] it should be -rw------- [16:46] and must be user and user-group owned [16:46] okay i did that, brb :) [16:47] nope :P [16:49] i still own it, login still broken [16:49] still Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0. for all xfce4 processes [16:49] delete the ~/.cache file [16:50] folder? :) [16:50] yup [16:50] it itself or just what's in it? (sometimes one works and the other doesn't :P) [16:50] then if it still won't won't work, delete ~/.cache and ~/.config [16:50] ummm, rm -r ~/.cache [16:50] k brb [16:51] Then don't save session [16:54] yay! [16:54] it worked [16:54] except now everything looks weird (to be expected) [16:54] like the theme, panel config etc [16:55] yes, because deleting .cache disrupts a few configuration items [16:55] you can put it back the way you want it and it should work now [16:55] be sure to save session when quitting [16:56] long term fix... hmm I seem to have forgot [16:59] looking... [17:01] 9.10, right? [17:02] mr_pouit: help? what did we remove to get rid of the twinkle lights after gdm on 9.10? [17:06] charlie-tca: Yeah 9.10. Though I guess i can't just copy config back? Though I also guess there are PARTS of config i *can* copy back like the panel settings etc? [17:06] and the settings for other software? :P [17:07] You can, as long as you know to remove them, even one at a time, if it breaks it [17:08] :) [17:08] brb [17:16] can deleting .cache mess up the theme settings? [17:18] maybe [17:22] anyone know what in ~/.config/xfce4/panel might crash the session? [17:22] yup [17:23] ..? [17:23] i mean if any specific files cause more trouble than others, lol [17:24] there's 28 in mine (most have to do with the items i have on my panel it seems) [17:24] and i *like* my panel, i'd like it back, lol [17:24] oh [17:24] I thought you just wanted to know if it crashes the session [17:24] :-) [17:25] i found out it does :p [17:25] hmmm, yes, there are specific plugins that crash things better than others [17:25] now... you gonna want to know more again [17:26] give me a minute [17:26] i mean i could reconfigure everything manually but i'd rather copy the non-evil stuff back first, lol [17:27] I think removing gdm theme fixed this issue, but then you don't get the pretty twinkles no more [17:28] okay, xfce4-kbd-plugin is buggy, [17:29] cpu govenor ? crashes [17:30] basically, bug 53897 [17:30] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53897 [17:31] for the 'bot challenged channel [17:31] lol i actually dont even have a cpu governor [17:31] i didnt know xfce even had one [17:32] i tried to find it :P [17:32] there used to be one, maybe it wasn't in 9.10 [17:32] it was great at crashing the desktop [17:32] that is a lot of bugs lol [17:33] so where are my theme settings? [17:33] in xsettings i have [17:33] [17:33] [17:35] btw, [why] isn't it possible to do multiple desktop logins? Like how i can ctrl+alt+f1 for a terminal, why can't I ctrl+alt+f10 for a new desktop login (it would make solving this kinda stuff less tedious lol) [17:35] should have been in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf and ~/.config/xfce4/xfwm4 [17:35] oh i didnt have anything in xfwm4 [17:36] brb [17:38] hmm [17:38] suddenly i have OPEN TERMINAL HERE in the options everywhere [17:38] the multiple desktops are set in a config file somewhere. Used to be gdm customizations. It is preset to one desktop, on F7 [17:39] wait, you *can* login more than one time, graphically?? cool :D [17:39] You have to set it up [17:39] Before 9.10, I could make it work [17:39] that's actually one of the things i liked about Linux-mint when i tried it out, it must have had a newer xfce4 (though its gnome variant had it too) [17:39] that's pretty useful... so how do i do that? :P [17:39] not part of either one, it is part of the login screen files [17:40] Is mint using gdm? [17:40] That is the blocker now [17:41] Lucid gave us the ability to customize it again, even though you must edit it manually. I don't know that you can in 9.10 [17:41] the blocker? [17:41] i think the default mint comes with GNOME yeah [17:41] I am trying to install Xubuntu but I am not doing a normal install. On one of my drives I have Windows and the other drive I am trying to install Xubuntu 9.10. My question is during the Partition part do I do a new partition table or ????? [17:42] though there are "community editions" with xfce and fluxbox [17:42] ToStItOs: There's nothing on the drive you want to install to, right? [17:42] andai: not the desktop, the display manager. gdm is gnome display manager, but they might be using kdm or xdm [17:42] ToStItOs: And you're sure you have 2 drives and not partitions (lol)? [17:42] well I have inteprid [17:43] on the drive I want to install 9.10 [17:43] ToStItOs: what are the drives given in partitioning? does it give things like sda and sdb or are they all with the same letters? [17:43] charlie-tca: Does xubuntu use gdm too? (or is xdm xfce's desktop manager then?) [17:44] sda [17:44] ToStItOs: For both drives? [17:44] My drive is set as a slave currently but [17:45] ummmm let me check hold on [17:46] also lol since i deleted the panel config i keep turning my head up to look for the window list (my monitor is pretty big) [17:46] Then you don't want to do a new table [17:46] the default (which it reset to) has them at the bottom :P [17:47] And you move them to the top panel? [17:47] /dev/sda there is no drive there [17:47] ToStItOs 's windows will be on sda [17:48] is there a /dev/sdb? [17:48] no its sda1 [17:48] ToStItOs: If everything is on sda then making a new partition table will kill windows :P [17:48] He will need to repartition the drive, without losing windows [17:49] ToStItOs: Is that convenient in the text installer? it's annoying enough (with it rescanning everything every time you change something) in the gui installer, lol [17:49] I disconnected the Windows drive [17:49] Ohh, so there's nothing to lose on the drive you're installing to, right? [17:49] do you want your settings from Intrepid? [17:49] Then create the new partition table [17:49] no [17:49] okay good [17:49] moving the settings will cause more issues than andai has [17:50] ...lol [17:50] I just want to be able to use both drives [17:50] like a dual boot [17:50] so there's less of an upside to the portability of linux home folders than i thought? [17:50] but with two drives [17:50] No, we had major changes from intrepid to jaunty to karmic [17:50] Xfce 4.4 to 4.6 was big [17:51] Intrepid was 8.10, so it is a two version jump [17:51] ahh yeah i actually messed up when installing Karmic cause i thought X still had to be configured manually, lol [17:52] I am confused because I have the live cd for Xubuntu but its saying it will install Kubuntu [17:52] That seems wrong [17:52] Kubuntu is much different [17:53] did you get that from http://xubuntu.org/get ? [17:53] Its a double sided dvd with MultiUbuntu [17:53] no bookstore [17:53] hmmm, I think they screwed something up [17:53] Hey, I have 30 gigs of unallocated space between my Win7 and Xubuntu partions. What filesystem should I use to make make it accessible to both sides? [17:53] Gonna put my music on it. [17:53] clutch: ntfs-3g [17:54] charlie-tca: Is NTFS a good idea? Most of the stuff I've read about it must be outdated then :P [17:54] charlie-tca: ok, thanks. Is it possible to move my home directory over there as well. I'd like to have one place for all my files on both OS's [17:54] Well should I switch it to the other and just do Ubuntu [17:54] If you want to read it from windows, you need ntfs, yes [17:54] Right, that's what I though. [17:55] Trying to use the same directory for home on both systems will really screw up [17:55] Damn. NTFS option is greyed out in gparted. [17:55] You could use a small partition for /home and then use a big one for documents and such readable from both systems [17:55] bah [17:55] Probably do that then [17:55] clutch: what version of xubuntu? [17:56] 9.10, from minimal ISO, all up-to-date [17:56] clutch: Install nftsprogs [17:56] ntfsprogs* [17:56] ok, thanks [17:57] Charlie should I reverse the dvd and do a Ubuntu install [17:57] ToStItOs: Maybe the Kubuntu option will install Xubuntu, lol! [17:57] Are you trying to end up with xubuntu at the end? [17:58] Because I'm a huge fan of the minimal iso personally [17:58] yeah I don't want Kubuntu [17:58] nobody wants kubuntu lol [17:58] I heard [17:58] apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [17:58] I heard Kubuntu is getting quite good actually... i just tried it 3 years ago and thought the themes were really ugly, but they look ok now i guess lol [17:59] plus there's some copypasta on the forums somewhere to remove all of kde's junk [17:59] I am actually doing a clean install [17:59] I like the older ones. Used kde3 with backtrack and it was nice. [17:59] kde4 is a mess though [17:59] lol actually it looks pretty bad from the screenshots [18:00] a mess? I thought it was like a giant leap forward or something [18:00] I dunno, I thought the user interface was just obnoxiously cartoony, and confusing to navigate. [18:00] What is Kubuntu used for anyways [18:00] clutch oh so can you tell me what partitioning is like on the minimal iso? in the live install it's annoying and i have to wait for it to scan all the partitions on all my drives EVERY TIME I ADJUST SOMETHING [18:01] ToStItOs: People who prefer KDE [18:01] Not for me [18:01] andai: I believe it still needs to scan all the partitions. Probably a little quicker though since there's no desktop and whatnot going on. [18:02] clutch: What about the management, like how do you add/move/resize [18:02] is there a text-based gui sorta thing? [18:02] yeah [18:02] its like that [18:02] I'm not super familiar with using it though, I did my partitions from win7 and then installed to the unallocated space. [18:02] I was told that was the simplest way to dual boot. I could be wrong though. [18:04] clutch: Does the minimal iso come with the same stuff the standard live one does? [18:05] It has the bare minimum to boot, and then you select the packages you want. [18:05] ah cool [18:05] so there's no gnome stuff either? hmm [18:05] It downloads them so you don't have to sit through 8 hours of updates after the install. [18:05] ah lol yeah [18:05] nope. gnome free [18:05] that does sound pretty good actually [18:05] plus the iso is tiny. Takes like 5 minutes to d/l [18:05] and i'm sure with some more skill i could find a way to customize the ISO and automate the entire process? :) [18:05] and perhaps even download the latest copy of my home directory from a server? LOL [18:06] probably, yeah [18:06] lol [18:06] Thats a little over my head though [18:06] * andai is quite into this stuff [18:06] google around for slip-streaming ubuntu install disks [18:06] you know i'm actually working on a portable home folder type thing using batch files and the CLI 7-zip, on windows [18:06] I'm sure its been done [18:07] it's useful for at school where they have IE and the desktop resolution is set WAY TO LOW (and resets after reboot) [18:07] If I can find a way to share my home directory between xubuntu and win7 pro i'll be happy [18:07] I think I would have to put my /home on a tiny ntfs partition though, and it seems like a pain in the ass [18:08] why tiny? :P [18:08] here I asked [18:08] theadmin: andai: NTFS is fine but 2 problems, 1) it considers all files executable, 2) it's kind of a slow [18:08] well, tiny compared to the rest of the HDD [18:08] so i'm not sure you should put your home folder on there [18:09] right [18:09] so instead of having my music and pictures in /home/Music and /home/Pictures, they get dumped into a 30gig ntfs partition for the time being [18:09] clutch: are you running GUI now [18:09] yes [18:10] which one? :P [18:10] xfce4 [18:10] theadmin: andai: It'd better not be o_O [ home folder on FAT or NTFS ] [18:12] clutch! I have found a solution [18:12] orly? [18:12] the whole home folder shouldn't be on a windows partition [18:13] but you *can* (i have heard from one dude in #ubuntu just now) replace Desktop, Downloads, etc with symlinks to the same folders on a NTFS partition [18:13] so that should work fine :P [18:14] I might try that myself sometime, =D [18:14] Hmm. Worth a try. I need to mess around with this for a while, I'm not 100% positive wtf I'm doing. Dual-boot-virgin. [18:14] haha i've been doing this for 3 years, though i had a dark age where i switched back to windows without even really realizing what i was doing, for like 5 months [18:14] like "hmm i need to use Flash 8 for a few days let's just boot up XP" [18:15] lol [18:15] and then like months later when XP became so slow it was unusable [18:15] i realized the reason i had no space on XP was cause i had like 90gb of free space on my ubuntu home folder [18:15] bb in a bit, need to reboot and see if any of this worked... [18:22] So far so good. Can see my Dump partition from win7 with no hassles. [18:22] Now I just need to figure out how to get it somewhere easily accessible in xubuntu without having to sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mountshithere [18:23] fstab? :P [18:23] and link on desktop [18:23] i should do that too, i keep having to manually mount my windows partition [18:23] Thanks, will check out the man page for that. No link to desktop though. I hate desktop icons. I have none at all. [18:23] let's see who can figure it out first, lol [18:23] really? what do you use instead? [18:24] a terminal [18:24] or thunar [18:24] if I'm lazy [18:24] lol [18:24] icons just clutter up my workspace [18:24] xfce4 without desktop [18:24] but yes panel? [18:24] yeah, i have the panel [18:24] ohh [18:24] just for the clock and a shortcut to firefox, terminal, and thunar [18:25] and minimized stuff, workspaces, etc [18:25] ntfs configuration tool [18:25] sudo apt-get install ntfs-config [18:25] that'll fstab it for you [18:25] kk, one sec [18:26] /dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0 [18:26] i got that [18:26] is the 4th option even necessary? [18:26] no idea [18:27] suggestions on where I should mount the dump partition to? [18:27] does it matter [18:28] you're using the ntfs config tool? [18:28] what does it suggest? :P [18:28] clutch, /mnt is used for that traditionally [18:28] clutch, but you can use whatever mountpoint you fancy :) [18:28] knome: not /media? [18:29] knome: right, that's kind of what i figured [18:29] /media if you mount it all the time, /mnt if temporarily [18:29]