[00:31] <eein> i seem to be having an issue with my install.  when i select my user id there is a 5 to 10 second delay before the language and session bar come up on the bottom and then it prompts for the password. any one know what could cause that delay?
[02:07] <n2diy> Test
[02:15] <pteague_work> i know i found it before, but for some reason i can't find it now...  how do i disable tap to click on my laptop's touchpad?
[02:28] <pteague_work> nm, think i found it
[02:33] <mertle> n2diy: hi
[02:33]  * pteague_work crosses fingers & reboots
[02:33] <n2diy> mertle: hi
[02:35] <n2diy> mertle: any idea why I would be getting a "cannot send to channel" message in ##electronics?
[02:36] <mertle> n2diy: it might be invite only or you need to register your nick
[02:36] <mertle> might be mentioned in the topic at the top
[02:37] <n2diy> mertle: roger that, I checked the links at the top, two of them are ebooks, and the third is a wiki, that needs a lot more content.
[02:38] <mertle> heh - are you registered n2diy ?
[02:39] <n2diy> mertle: I thought I was, but I'm not sure of it. This is a new test box, that I cloned from my old test box yesterday, I'm still chasing bugs, so.... I'll fire up the old test box, and see if that one works.
[02:39] <mertle> k
[02:40] <mertle> n2diy: I get the same message using a not registered nick
[02:41] <n2diy> mertle: ok, so it is a server problem?
[02:41] <n2diy> mertle: never mind, I miss read your message, I'll try and register on it.
[02:42] <gottto> n2diy: registered nick works
[02:42] <n2diy> what is the syntax to register, /register?
[02:42] <gottto> !register
[02:43] <n2diy> gottto: thanks
[02:43] <gottto> np
[02:44] <n2diy> gottto: doesn't work, same message, let me see if it will play with my old box.
[02:44] <gottto> k
[02:45] <pteague_laptop> yay, got that solved, but the bottom right corner doesn't do the right click :(
[02:49] <n2diy> now my old test box is telling me "Starting without admin. privlileges", whats that about, haven't seen that before.
[02:50] <n2diy> never mind, I closed the message, and synaptic popped up?
[02:51] <n2diy> wow, this box, and my old test box, are now logged onto freenode, I didn't think you could do that?
[02:53] <n2diy> the other box can't send to ##electronics either, so I have to figure out how to registar, etc...
[04:02] <Da-M-E-M-0> anyone there who can help me?
[04:15] <Balsaq> Good evening to all of you who reside here, in the picturesque digital valley known as...Xubuntu!
[07:09] <Dracco> Hello, I've got a problem with my xubuntu installation. I have 9.10 Ubuntu + xfce installed later. Normally it was calm and cool all the time, but after last update RAM usage increased a lot. Normally working with 2 browsers open, gimp and pidgin it didn't eat more than 350-400mb, now it goes up to even 700mb (I have 1GB RAM installed). Does anybody have similar problem? Is there a way to fix it?
[07:14] <Balsaq> just look at whats running and what each process is using. Dont use the ones that are casuing the ram usage to be so high, if it bothers you.
[07:17] <Dracco> firefox atm uses over 170mb ram
[07:18] <Dracco> firefox, opera, pidgin are what eats the most and i rather must use them
[07:18] <knome> Dracco, i hate to say this, but that's normal for firefox
[07:18] <Dracco> i dont use firefox normally, have to do it coz im at work :P
[07:19] <Dracco> anyway, those programs didnt eat that much before update
[07:19] <Dracco> also compiz starts "lagging" from time to time that didnt happen before
[07:20] <bazhang> 2 browsers and compiz?
[07:20] <Dracco> yes, 2 browsers are needed because i work on CMS that is buggy like internet explorer and on each browser something else is not working
[07:21] <bazhang> gimp as well? why not shut off compiz when browsing / using gimp then
[07:21] <Balsaq> Eye-Candy needs a lot of RAM...
[07:21] <Dracco> compiz uses only 35mb, thats not much really, tho it used less before
[07:22] <bazhang> doubtful its that small
[07:22] <knome> Dracco, are you sure the settings are the same?
[07:22] <Dracco> yes, unless update changed them
[07:22] <Dracco> bazhang, it is, at least thats what taskmanager shows
[07:23] <bazhang> Dracco, and what do top and/or htop show
[07:23] <bazhang> at any rate, try disabling it, see if that makes a difference
[07:23] <Dracco> htop showing similar
[07:24] <Dracco> uhm what was command to disable compiz? or should i restart?
[07:24] <bazhang> no need to restart
[07:25] <bazhang> trying to remember the window manager for xubuntu
[07:25] <knome> xfwm ;)
[07:25] <bazhang> xfwm --replace ?
[07:26] <knome> um, i'm not sure if the command is xfwm4 actually
[07:26] <bazhang> ok :)
[07:26] <Dracco> ok did, checking how is it
[07:27] <Dracco> uhm, still similar ram usage
[07:30] <Dracco> like i said, it happened after last update i downloaded (yesterday), before id didnt eat that much with same programs opened
[07:38] <knome> Dracco, did you update the kernel?
[07:39] <Dracco> uhm to be honest i didnt check what did last update include, it is possible that yes, because before that i updated system like half month ago
[07:39] <knome> yeah
[07:39] <knome> that might be the reason
[07:40] <knome> you can try loading a previous kernel from grub
[07:40] <Dracco> will try, thanks :) atm cant, editing few articles
[07:41] <Dracco> when im done (in like 15 mins) ill give you a shout :)
[07:42] <knome> sure
[07:53] <Dracco> ok restart
[08:00] <Dracco> back, works like a charm :D
[08:00] <Dracco> thanks a LOT for help :)
[08:02] <knome> no problem
[08:02] <knome> just throwing ideas in :P
[08:02] <Dracco> ^^
[08:02] <Dracco> well, got to get back to work now, didnt really work since 2 hours :P
[08:02] <Dracco> once again thanks :)
[08:03] <knome> have fun and be productive
[08:03] <Dracco> thanks ^^
[08:03] <Dracco> have a nice day ;) cya :)
[08:06] <Balsaq> Thank you for choosing Xubuntu.
[10:25] <Ek|mu5> hello, how do I get an image to associate with my login in gdm? I tried doing an ln -s /path/to/image.jpg ~/.face but it didn't work.
[10:31] <Ek|mu5> on Xubuntu 9.10
[12:06] <Balsaq> Ek|mu5 i think xsplash would do it
[12:39] <nikolam> Wow, how to report a bug now on launchpad?
[12:41] <mertle> !bug
[12:44] <bazhang> nikolam, you understand the message above?
[12:45] <nikolam> yep
[12:45] <bazhang> that is in the terminal
[12:45] <nikolam> yep yep :)
[12:45] <bazhang> lucid?
[12:45] <nikolam> hardy
[12:46] <nikolam> seamonkey2 , not in release yet.
[12:46] <bazhang> server or desktop
[12:46] <nikolam> looking for post a bug on ppa release
[12:46] <bazhang> ah a PPA.
[12:47] <bazhang> probably contact the maintainer then
[12:47] <bazhang> although hardy will give way to the new LTS this month
[12:48] <nikolam> yep but so, there is no way to track bugs for ppa software in launchpad?
[12:48] <bazhang> not sure about that, as those are Personal Package Archives, probably giving them feedback would help but not certain that they fall under launchpad
[12:49] <bazhang> when I say them, I mean the Package publisher, not launchpad
[12:50] <nikolam> would help to have project about that package inside Ubuntu. Do zou know something about that process
[12:50] <nikolam> or it will have to just wait after LTS release, to avoid confusion
[12:50] <bazhang> which one? got a link to the PPA page?
[12:51] <nikolam> seamonkey 2 just a sec
[12:51] <bazhang> ok
[12:51] <bazhang> I can google :)
[12:52] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/+archive/ppa-seamonkey2  this one, right?
[12:52] <bazhang> he has builds for Lucid already, btw :)
[12:52] <nikolam> https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2
[12:52] <nikolam> https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre
[12:52] <nikolam> this is newest
[12:52] <nikolam> well there wer for lucid for months..
[12:53] <nikolam> Main page: https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2
[12:54] <nikolam> so, if project is on launchpad, I again nedd to use ubuntu-bug program ?
[12:55] <bazhang> good question :)
[12:55] <nikolam> previous one is older, with 2.0.3. New one has 2.0.4, working fine , only plugins from mozilla site dont want to install on 64bit , I need to report that etc
[12:55] <bazhang> right
[12:56] <nikolam> I have it on original bug report here, but is is said to report ppa bugs to ppa etc.
[12:56] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/461864
[12:57] <bazhang> well I'm sure the PPA maintainer will appreciate it, as will the community
[13:01] <nikolam> I got answer. Mozilla site host only 32-bit extensions versions
[13:01] <bazhang> aha
[13:01] <nikolam> Seems like it is question for Mozilla
[13:02] <bazhang> dont see the irc nick on his homepage
[13:04] <nikolam> but 64bit addons are mostly available on plugins main pages
[13:09] <nikolam> hm, would like to know how to delete my own ppa i made once hm
[15:39] <william> Hi I have a problem with intsalling xorg-driver-fglrx. fglrx-amdccle is broken too.
[16:20] <pop2> Xubuntu crashes on login with the error that connection to Xorg on 0.0 was reset by peer (error 104) and cannot access resource and related stuff
[16:21] <pop2> I made a new user and that works so it must be some of my settings
[16:38] <pop2> still dead here? :P
[16:40] <charlie-tca> You answered your question already
[16:41] <pop2> yay
[16:41] <pop2> and you proved me wrong!
[16:42] <pop2> okay, I get THIS http://pastebin.com/Nvj2XKRf
[16:42] <pop2> in .xsession-errors
[16:42] <pop2> and when i login i see the swirly blue dots then it goes black and puts me back at login screen
[16:42] <pop2> i created a new user, it works fine for him
[16:42] <pop2> so i guess it's some user settings
[16:43] <pop2> .ICEauthority was owned by root btw. I changed that and it didn't change anything
[16:44] <charlie-tca> hmm, change the permissions on /home/USER/.ICEauthority . It needs to owned by USER, with rw for user only, no permissions for anyone else
[16:45] <pop2> ah it needs rw
[16:45] <charlie-tca> it should be -rw-------
[16:46] <charlie-tca> and must be user and user-group owned
[16:46] <pop2> okay i did that, brb :)
[16:47] <pop2> nope :P
[16:49] <pop2> i still own it, login still broken
[16:49] <pop2> still Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server :0.0. for all xfce4 processes
[16:49] <charlie-tca> delete the ~/.cache file
[16:50] <pop2> folder? :)
[16:50] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:50] <pop2> it itself or just what's in it? (sometimes one works and the other doesn't :P)
[16:50] <charlie-tca> then if it still won't won't work, delete ~/.cache and ~/.config
[16:50] <charlie-tca> ummm, rm -r ~/.cache
[16:50] <pop2> k brb
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Then don't save session
[16:54] <andai> yay!
[16:54] <andai> it worked
[16:54] <andai> except now everything looks weird (to be expected)
[16:54] <andai> like the theme, panel config etc
[16:55] <charlie-tca> yes, because deleting .cache disrupts a few configuration items
[16:55] <charlie-tca> you can put it back the way you want it and it should work now
[16:55] <charlie-tca> be sure to save session when quitting
[16:56] <charlie-tca> long term fix... hmm I seem to have forgot
[16:59] <charlie-tca> looking...
[17:01] <charlie-tca> 9.10, right?
[17:02] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: help? what did we remove to get rid of the twinkle lights after gdm on 9.10?
[17:06] <andai> charlie-tca: Yeah 9.10. Though I guess i can't just copy config back? Though I also guess there are PARTS of config i *can* copy back like the panel settings etc?
[17:06] <andai> and the settings for other software? :P
[17:07] <charlie-tca> You can, as long as you know to remove them, even one at a time, if it breaks it
[17:08] <andai> :)
[17:08] <andai> brb
[17:16] <andai> can deleting .cache mess up the theme settings?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> maybe
[17:22] <pop2> anyone know what in ~/.config/xfce4/panel might crash the session?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:23] <pop2> ..?
[17:23] <pop2> i mean if any specific files cause more trouble than others, lol
[17:24] <pop2> there's 28 in mine (most have to do with the items i have on my panel it seems)
[17:24] <pop2> and i *like* my panel, i'd like it back, lol
[17:24] <charlie-tca> oh
[17:24] <charlie-tca> I thought you just wanted to know if it crashes the session
[17:24] <charlie-tca> :-)
[17:25] <pop2> i found out it does :p
[17:25] <charlie-tca> hmmm, yes, there are specific plugins that crash things better than others
[17:25] <charlie-tca> now... you gonna want to know more again
[17:26] <charlie-tca> give me a minute
[17:26] <pop2> i mean i could reconfigure everything manually but i'd rather copy the non-evil stuff back first, lol
[17:27] <charlie-tca> I think removing gdm theme fixed this issue, but then you don't get the pretty twinkles no more
[17:28] <charlie-tca> okay, xfce4-kbd-plugin is buggy,
[17:29] <charlie-tca> cpu govenor ? crashes
[17:30] <charlie-tca> basically, bug 53897
[17:30] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/53897
[17:31] <charlie-tca> for the 'bot challenged channel
[17:31] <pop2> lol i actually dont even have a cpu governor
[17:31] <pop2> i didnt know xfce even had one
[17:32] <pop2> i tried to find it :P
[17:32] <charlie-tca> there used to be one, maybe it wasn't in 9.10
[17:32] <charlie-tca> it was great at crashing the desktop
[17:32] <pop2> that is a lot of bugs lol
[17:33] <pop2> so where are my theme settings?
[17:33] <pop2> in xsettings i have
[17:33] <pop2>     <property name="ThemeName" type="empty"/>
[17:33] <pop2>     <property name="IconThemeName" type="empty"/>
[17:35] <pop2> btw, [why] isn't it possible to do multiple desktop logins? Like how i can ctrl+alt+f1 for a terminal, why can't I ctrl+alt+f10 for a new desktop login (it would make solving this kinda stuff less tedious lol)
[17:35] <charlie-tca> should have been in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf  and ~/.config/xfce4/xfwm4
[17:35] <pop2> oh i didnt have anything in xfwm4
[17:36] <pop2> brb
[17:38] <andai> hmm
[17:38] <andai> suddenly i have OPEN TERMINAL HERE in the options everywhere
[17:38] <charlie-tca> the multiple desktops are set in a config file somewhere. Used to be gdm customizations. It is preset to one desktop, on F7
[17:39] <andai> wait, you *can* login more than one time, graphically?? cool :D
[17:39] <charlie-tca> You have to set it up
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Before 9.10, I could make it work
[17:39] <andai> that's actually one of the things i liked about Linux-mint when i tried it out, it must have had a newer xfce4 (though its gnome variant had it too)
[17:39] <andai> that's pretty useful... so how do i do that? :P
[17:39] <charlie-tca> not part of either one, it is part of the login screen files
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Is mint using gdm?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> That is the blocker now
[17:41] <charlie-tca> Lucid gave us the ability to customize it again, even though you must edit it manually. I don't know that you can in 9.10
[17:41] <andai> the blocker?
[17:41] <andai> i think the default mint comes with GNOME yeah
[17:41] <ToStItOs> I am trying to install Xubuntu but I am not doing a normal install. On one of my drives I  have Windows and the other drive I am trying to install Xubuntu 9.10. My question is during the Partition part do I do a new partition table or ?????
[17:42] <andai> though there are "community editions" with xfce and fluxbox
[17:42] <andai> ToStItOs: There's nothing on the drive you want to install to, right?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> andai: not the desktop, the display manager. gdm is gnome display manager, but they might be using kdm or xdm
[17:42] <andai> ToStItOs: And you're sure you have 2 drives and not partitions (lol)?
[17:42] <ToStItOs> well I have inteprid
[17:43] <ToStItOs> on the drive I want to install 9.10
[17:43] <charlie-tca> ToStItOs: what are the drives given in partitioning? does it give things like sda and sdb or are they all with the same letters?
[17:43] <andai> charlie-tca: Does xubuntu use gdm too? (or is xdm xfce's desktop manager then?)
[17:44] <ToStItOs> sda
[17:44] <andai> ToStItOs: For both drives?
[17:44] <ToStItOs> My drive is set as a slave currently but
[17:45] <ToStItOs> ummmm let me check hold on
[17:46] <andai> also lol since i deleted the panel config i keep turning my head up to look for the window list (my monitor is pretty big)
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Then you don't want to do a new table
[17:46] <andai> the default (which it reset to) has them at the bottom :P
[17:47] <charlie-tca> And you move them to the top panel?
[17:47] <ToStItOs> /dev/sda there is no drive there
[17:47] <charlie-tca> ToStItOs 's windows will be on sda
[17:48] <charlie-tca> is there a /dev/sdb?
[17:48] <ToStItOs> no its sda1
[17:48] <andai> ToStItOs: If everything is on sda then making a new partition table will kill windows :P
[17:48] <charlie-tca> He will need to repartition the drive, without losing windows
[17:49] <andai> ToStItOs: Is that convenient in the text installer? it's annoying enough (with it rescanning everything every time you change something) in the gui installer, lol
[17:49] <ToStItOs> I disconnected the Windows drive
[17:49] <andai> Ohh, so there's nothing to lose on the drive you're installing to, right?
[17:49] <andai> do you want your settings from Intrepid?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Then create the new partition table
[17:49] <ToStItOs> no
[17:49] <andai> okay good
[17:49] <charlie-tca> moving the settings will cause more issues than andai has
[17:50] <andai> ...lol
[17:50] <ToStItOs> I just want to be able to use both drives
[17:50] <ToStItOs> like a dual boot
[17:50] <andai> so there's less of an upside to the portability of linux home folders than i thought?
[17:50] <ToStItOs> but with two drives
[17:50] <charlie-tca> No, we had major changes from intrepid to jaunty to karmic
[17:50] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.4 to 4.6 was big
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Intrepid was 8.10, so it is a two version jump
[17:51] <andai> ahh yeah i actually messed up when installing Karmic cause i thought X still had to be configured manually, lol
[17:52] <ToStItOs> I am confused because I have the live cd for Xubuntu but its saying it will install Kubuntu
[17:52] <charlie-tca> That seems wrong
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is much different
[17:53] <charlie-tca> did you get that from http://xubuntu.org/get ?
[17:53] <ToStItOs> Its a double sided dvd with MultiUbuntu
[17:53] <ToStItOs> no bookstore
[17:53] <charlie-tca> hmmm, I think they screwed something up
[17:53] <clutch> Hey, I have 30 gigs of unallocated space between my Win7 and Xubuntu partions.  What filesystem should I use to make make it accessible to both sides?
[17:53] <clutch> Gonna put my music on it.
[17:53] <charlie-tca> clutch: ntfs-3g
[17:54] <andai> charlie-tca: Is NTFS a good idea? Most of the stuff I've read about it must be outdated then :P
[17:54] <clutch> charlie-tca: ok, thanks.  Is it possible to move my home directory over there as well.  I'd like to have one place for all my files on both OS's
[17:54] <ToStItOs> Well should I switch it to the other and just do Ubuntu
[17:54] <charlie-tca> If you want to read it from windows, you need ntfs, yes
[17:54] <clutch> Right, that's what I though.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Trying to use the same directory for home on both systems will really screw up
[17:55] <clutch> Damn.  NTFS option is greyed out in gparted.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> You could use a small partition for /home and then use a big one for documents and such readable from both systems
[17:55] <clutch> bah
[17:55] <clutch> Probably do that then
[17:55] <charlie-tca> clutch: what version of xubuntu?
[17:56] <clutch> 9.10, from minimal ISO, all up-to-date
[17:56] <andai> clutch: Install nftsprogs
[17:56] <andai> ntfsprogs*
[17:56] <clutch> ok, thanks
[17:57] <ToStItOs> Charlie should I reverse the dvd and do a Ubuntu install
[17:57] <andai> ToStItOs: Maybe the Kubuntu option will install Xubuntu, lol!
[17:57] <clutch> Are you trying to end up with xubuntu at the end?
[17:58] <clutch> Because I'm a huge fan of the minimal iso personally
[17:58] <ToStItOs> yeah I don't want Kubuntu
[17:58] <clutch> nobody wants kubuntu lol
[17:58] <ToStItOs> I heard
[17:58] <clutch> apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:58] <andai> I heard Kubuntu is getting quite good actually... i just tried it 3 years ago and thought the themes were really ugly, but they look ok now i guess lol
[17:59] <clutch> plus there's some copypasta on the forums somewhere to remove all of kde's junk
[17:59] <ToStItOs> I am actually doing a clean install
[17:59] <clutch> I like the older ones.  Used kde3 with backtrack and it was nice.
[17:59] <clutch> kde4 is a mess though
[17:59] <andai> lol actually it looks pretty bad from the screenshots
[18:00] <andai> a mess? I thought it was like a giant leap forward or something
[18:00] <clutch> I dunno, I thought the user interface was just obnoxiously cartoony, and confusing to navigate.
[18:00] <ToStItOs> What is Kubuntu used for anyways
[18:00] <andai> clutch oh so can you tell me what partitioning is like on the minimal iso? in the live install it's annoying and i have to wait for it to scan all the partitions on all my drives EVERY TIME I ADJUST SOMETHING
[18:01] <andai> ToStItOs: People who prefer KDE
[18:01] <ToStItOs> Not for me
[18:01] <clutch> andai: I believe it still needs to scan all the partitions.  Probably a little quicker though since there's no desktop and whatnot going on.
[18:02] <andai> clutch: What about the management, like how do you add/move/resize
[18:02] <andai> is there a text-based gui sorta thing?
[18:02] <clutch> yeah
[18:02] <clutch> its like that
[18:02] <clutch> I'm not super familiar with using it though, I did my partitions from win7 and then installed to the unallocated space.
[18:02] <clutch> I was told that was the simplest way to dual boot.  I could be wrong though.
[18:04] <andai> clutch: Does the minimal iso come with the same stuff the standard live one does?
[18:05] <clutch> It has the bare minimum to boot, and then you select the packages you want.
[18:05] <andai> ah cool
[18:05] <andai> so there's no gnome stuff either? hmm
[18:05] <clutch> It downloads them so you don't have to sit through 8 hours of updates after the install.
[18:05] <andai> ah lol yeah
[18:05] <clutch> nope.  gnome free
[18:05] <andai> that does sound pretty good actually
[18:05] <clutch> plus the iso is tiny.  Takes like 5 minutes to d/l
[18:05] <andai> and i'm sure with some more skill i could find a way to customize the ISO and automate the entire process? :)
[18:05] <andai> and perhaps even download the latest copy of my home directory from a server? LOL
[18:06] <clutch> probably, yeah
[18:06] <clutch> lol
[18:06] <clutch> Thats a little over my head though
[18:06]  * andai is quite into this stuff
[18:06] <clutch> google around for slip-streaming ubuntu install disks
[18:06] <andai> you know i'm actually working on a portable home folder type thing using batch files and the CLI 7-zip, on windows
[18:06] <clutch> I'm sure its been done
[18:07] <andai> it's useful for at school where they have IE and the desktop resolution is set WAY TO LOW (and resets after reboot)
[18:07] <clutch> If I can find a way to share my home directory between xubuntu and win7 pro i'll be happy
[18:07] <clutch> I think I would have to put my /home on a tiny ntfs partition though, and it seems like a pain in the ass
[18:08] <andai> why tiny? :P
[18:08] <andai> here I asked
[18:08] <andai> theadmin: andai: NTFS is fine but 2 problems, 1) it considers all files executable, 2) it's kind of a slow
[18:08] <clutch> well, tiny compared to the rest of the HDD
[18:08] <andai> so i'm not sure you should put your home folder on there
[18:09] <clutch> right
[18:09] <clutch> so instead of having my music and pictures in /home/Music and /home/Pictures, they get dumped into a 30gig ntfs partition for the time being
[18:09] <andai> clutch: are you running GUI now
[18:09] <clutch> yes
[18:10] <andai> which one? :P
[18:10] <clutch> xfce4
[18:10] <andai> theadmin: andai: It'd better not be o_O  [ home folder on FAT or NTFS ]
[18:12] <andai> clutch! I have found a solution
[18:12] <clutch> orly?
[18:12] <andai> the whole home folder shouldn't be on a windows partition
[18:13] <andai> but you *can* (i have heard from one dude in #ubuntu just now) replace Desktop, Downloads, etc with symlinks to the same folders on a NTFS partition
[18:13] <andai> so that should work fine :P
[18:14] <andai> I might try that myself sometime, =D
[18:14] <clutch> Hmm.  Worth a try.  I need to mess around with this for a while, I'm not 100% positive wtf I'm doing.  Dual-boot-virgin.
[18:14] <andai> haha i've been doing this for 3 years, though i had a dark age where i switched  back to windows without even really realizing what i was doing, for like 5 months
[18:14] <andai> like "hmm i need to use Flash 8 for a few days let's just boot up XP"
[18:15] <clutch> lol
[18:15] <andai> and then like months later when XP became so slow it was unusable
[18:15] <andai> i realized the reason i had no space on XP was cause i had like 90gb of free space on my ubuntu home folder
[18:15] <clutch> bb in a bit, need to reboot and see if any of this worked...
[18:22] <clutch> So far so good.  Can see my Dump partition from win7 with no hassles.
[18:22] <clutch> Now I just need to figure out how to get it somewhere easily accessible in xubuntu without having to sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mountshithere
[18:23] <andai> fstab? :P
[18:23] <andai> and link on desktop
[18:23] <andai> i should do that too, i keep having to manually mount my windows partition
[18:23] <clutch> Thanks, will check out the man page for that.  No link to desktop though.  I hate desktop icons.  I have none at all.
[18:23] <andai> let's see who can figure it out first, lol
[18:23] <andai> really? what do you use instead?
[18:24] <clutch> a terminal
[18:24] <clutch> or thunar
[18:24] <clutch> if I'm lazy
[18:24] <andai> lol
[18:24] <clutch> icons just clutter up my workspace
[18:24] <andai> xfce4 without desktop
[18:24] <andai> but yes panel?
[18:24] <clutch> yeah, i have the panel
[18:24] <andai> ohh
[18:24] <clutch> just for the clock and a shortcut to firefox, terminal, and thunar
[18:25] <clutch> and minimized stuff, workspaces, etc
[18:25] <andai> ntfs configuration tool
[18:25] <andai> sudo apt-get install ntfs-config
[18:25] <andai> that'll fstab it for you
[18:25] <clutch> kk, one sec
[18:26] <andai> /dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0
[18:26] <andai> i got that
[18:26] <andai> is the 4th option even necessary?
[18:26] <clutch> no idea
[18:27] <clutch> suggestions on where I should mount the dump partition to?
[18:27] <clutch> does it matter
[18:28] <andai> you're using the ntfs config tool?
[18:28] <andai> what does it suggest? :P
[18:28] <knome> clutch, /mnt is used for that traditionally
[18:28] <knome> clutch, but you can use whatever mountpoint you fancy :)
[18:28] <andai> knome: not /media?
[18:29] <clutch> knome: right, that's kind of what i figured
[18:29] <knome> /media if you mount it all the time, /mnt if temporarily
[18:29] <knome> i mount my other drive to /data
[18:29] <clutch> I'll mount it to media then, that makes sense
[18:29] <andai> all the time :P
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> I can't install pulse audio
[18:30] <clutch> OH WAIT, I see.
[18:30] <clutch> this tool is misleading
[18:30] <knome> clutch, probably /media/something in that case so you can mount more later on to /media/somethingelse
[18:30] <clutch> it tells you to set a mount point, but...
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> synaptic says: pulseaudio:
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum>   Hängt ab: libpulse0 (=1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4), aber es wird 1:0.9.19-0ubuntu4.1 installiert
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum>  Hängt ab: pulseaudio-module-udev, aber es wird nicht installiert
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum>  Empfiehlt: pulseaudio-module-x11, aber es wird nicht installiert
[18:30] <Sachse_Siechtum>  Empfiehlt: pulseaudio-esound-compat, aber es wird nicht installiert
[18:30] <clutch> automatically sets it to /media/whateveryoutellit
[18:31] <knome> !pastebin | Sachse_Siechtum
[18:31] <knome> or
[18:31] <knome> !de | Sachse_Siechtum :P
[18:32] <clutch> Damn.  I just set it mount my Windows partition too on accident, lol.
[18:32] <clutch> Probably gonna cause more problems than anything
[18:33] <andai> hm?
[18:33] <andai> oh lol
[18:33] <clutch> Yeah, I don't want to accidentally write to it from linux
[18:33] <clutch> oops.
[18:34] <clutch> should fix that lol
[18:34] <clutch> Guess I can just remove that line from my stab, yeah?
[18:35] <knome> stab, heh. fstab, i suppose
[18:35] <clutch> oh yeah, typo.  meant fstab lol
[18:36] <andai> yeah
[18:36] <andai> i can't use ntfs tool more than once, lol
[18:36] <andai> i wonder if removing the lines from fstab will re-activate it
[18:37] <andai> lol no!
[18:37] <clutch> No, I noticed that too.  That tool is wacky, editing fstab is probably less hassle
[18:37] <andai> that is odd
[18:37] <andai> gaga
[18:37] <andai> *haha
[18:37] <clutch> clutch@ubuDesk:/media/Dump$ ls
[18:37] <clutch> Music  Pictures  $RECYCLE.BIN  System Volume Information
[18:37] <clutch> wtf
[18:37] <clutch> why is there a recycle bin lol
[18:37] <andai> ...cause you created it in windows?
[18:38] <clutch> Right, but what is it doing on that partition?
[18:38] <knome> clutch, that's the way windows works.
[18:38] <andai> i think it's funny that linux/mac/windows all use different folders for deleted files (so you can only restore using the os you deleted it in)
[18:38] <andai> clutch: If you deleted stuff there in windows windows would just move it to that folder :P
[18:39] <clutch> Oh wow.  Thats...helpfull I guess?
[18:39] <andai> and then empty recycle bin or delete in recycle bin would actually remove it from the folder listing
[18:39] <andai> lol
[18:39] <andai> but even then you could restore it with undelete tools :P
[18:39] <clutch> What about the System Volume Information?  Is that necessary, or can I get rid of it?
[18:40] <clutch> It bugs me that it put files in there without asking or telling me.
[18:40] <clutch> :(
[18:40] <knome> clutch, if you don't use the drive in windows, sure.
[18:40] <knome> clutch, if you use, you'd better keep it
[18:40] <andai> lol
[18:40] <clutch> ah, ok.
[18:40] <andai> what did it put there??
[18:40] <knome> that's some kind of info file for windows
[18:40] <clutch> A recycle bin and a System Info folder
[18:41] <andai> ah yeah those are hidden in windows (i think even if you tell it to show hidden and system files)
[18:41] <andai> and i guess it did that to save hassle later (then it would have to check if it's the first time you're deleting something, lol)
[18:41] <clutch> learn something new every day
[18:42] <andai> or i guess they could program it, if !exists RECYCLER mkdir RECYCLER, lol, but that would be a few cpu cycles extra everytime you deleted something
[18:42] <andai> i wonder what happens if you remove recycle bin folder and then boot windows and delete files :P
[18:42] <clutch> win7 / 0
[18:42] <clutch> world explodes
[18:42] <clutch> something like that
[18:43] <andai> lol
[18:43] <andai> earth cracks in two and falls down
[18:43] <clutch> Actually, probably just another weird, uninformative windows error message
[18:43] <andai> try it lol
[18:43] <clutch> Like, "This program has stopped working"
[18:43] <clutch> no shit, Windows
[18:43] <andai> i think it's empty anyway right? you could just make i again
[18:43] <clutch> I wondered why you dumped me back to the desktop
[18:43] <andai> lol what i hate most about windows is when windows gives me an error like THIS PROGRAM CAUSED AN ERROR AND MUST BE SHUT DOWN
[18:43] <andai> but the program still WORKS FINE
[18:43] <clutch> The recycle bin is, that other one has all kinds of stuff in it
[18:44] <andai> and you can't get rid of the window without pressing something but as soon as you press something it kills the program
[18:44] <clutch> probably just not going to fsck with it
[18:44] <andai> fsck lol
[18:44] <andai> Before the rise of journaling file systems, it was common for an improperly shut-down Unix system's file system to develop a corrupted superblock. This possibly-serious problem could only be resolved by running fsck, which could take anywhere from a few seconds to hours, depending on the volume's size and disk I/O throughput. Because of the severity of fsck not being able to resolve this error, the terms "fsck" and "fscked" have come into use am
[18:44] <ToStItOs> Thats Microsoft for you
[18:45] <ToStItOs> like defrag
[18:45] <clutch> did you just look up fsck on wikipedia?  lol
[18:46] <andai> clutch Yeah i forgot what it was for when you used it in such a different context
[18:46] <clutch> lol nice
[18:46] <andai> and then handily wiki had a section on "Use as profanity"
[18:46] <andai> :D
[18:46] <clutch> Well, I've officially accomplished what I wanted to do today.  Thank you #xubuntu
[18:46] <clutch> nice
[18:46] <andai> yay
[18:46] <andai> i should do that sometime. ATM all my music is on an external drive lol
[18:47] <andai> but for when i setup my new computer (nonexistent, yet)
[18:47] <clutch> I've been putting it off for a week because I thought it would be a pain.  Wasn't so bad though.
[18:47] <andai> my goal is like, 8 processors, 64GB ram, that kinda stuff
[18:47] <andai> lol
[18:47] <clutch> intel 6-cores
[18:47] <andai> i guess the secondary goal is get lots of money first haha
[18:47] <clutch> around $5000
[18:47] <andai> yeah XD
[18:47] <andai> not to mention the kind of mobo i'd need for all that ram, lol
[18:47] <clutch> I just built a brand new i5-750 rig for about $800
[18:48] <charlie-tca> andai: apt-get purge xsplash
[18:48] <clutch> plenty fast for damn near anything
[18:48] <andai> charlie-tca: ??
[18:48] <andai> clutch: 800 for everything you mean?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> fix that login issue permanent, even though you lose the twinkle screen after gdm
[18:48] <clutch> not including monitor, mouse, keyboard, but yeah
[18:48] <andai> charlie-tca: Oh no! The twinkles
[18:48] <andai> will i just see black for longer instead?
[18:49] <clutch> oh snap.  Linux needs to twinkles to run right guys, be carefull.
[18:49] <clutch> :)
[18:49] <charlie-tca> No, you see the background without the white twinkles
[18:49] <andai> ahh cool
[18:49] <andai> i was confused about the twinkles anyway
[18:49] <andai> lol...
[18:49] <clutch> lol that's weird
[18:49] <andai> i mean who thought that was cool
[18:50] <andai> they should have put like, a flaming penguin running around
[18:50] <andai> also lol
[18:50] <andai> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-750-overclock,2438.html1
[18:50] <andai> overclock that yo
[18:50] <clutch> yeah i know
[18:50] <clutch> people have been getting them up to around 4.2ghz on air cooling
[18:51] <charlie-tca> sorry, had to go feed the grandson
[18:51] <clutch> I wont oc mine until it gets outdated and slow though.
[18:51] <andai> lol
[18:51] <clutch> I love the temps @ stock speeds
[18:51] <andai> shortens lifespan?
[18:51] <clutch> idles at 19celsius
[18:51] <clutch> no lie
[18:51] <andai> haha wow
[18:51] <clutch> sometimes as low as 16
[18:51] <andai> that's... colder than my room
[18:51] <andai> wtf
[18:51] <clutch> I am in a cold basement, but still
[18:51] <andai> oh haha
[18:51] <andai> in jumpers? :D
[18:51] <clutch> stock cooler, no less
[18:52] <clutch> full load I've never seen it get hotter than 65 celsius
[18:52] <andai> i've been thinking about putting a hole in my wall and a tube of insulation to go around my computer and outside
[18:52] <andai> so i get good temps
[18:52] <clutch> I have a feeling this chip will outlive me
[18:52] <andai> lol
[18:52] <clutch> haha
[18:53] <clutch> I've thought about running a tube from a window a/c unit directly into my front intake fan
[18:53] <andai> though i guess 2 smaller holes, tubes in and out of the case and a bunch of small fans wouldnt hurt either
[18:53] <andai> yeah lol
[18:53] <clutch> get big fans
[18:53] <andai> hm?
[18:53] <andai> no i mean for inside the tube, lol
[18:53] <clutch> oh
[18:53] <clutch> well get a big tube then
[18:53] <clutch> and big fans
[18:53] <andai> lol
[18:54] <andai> or a box with big fans to go outside to pump air really powerfully into a smaller tube
[18:54] <andai> like normal AC does, lol
[18:54] <clutch> Since I am a poor college student with no external drives, I need to find a way to transfer 15 gigs of music from my laptop to my desktop.
[18:54] <andai> or maybe like a machine that generates sin waves with a flap
[18:54] <clutch> Thinking FTP
[18:54] <andai> 15? pathetic
[18:54] <andai> i put 100 on my external drive a few days ago lol
[18:54] <clutch> Inorite?
[18:54] <clutch> I only keep quality.
[18:54] <clutch> If I never listen to it, it gets deleted
[18:55] <clutch> I have never needed a HDD larger than 300gigs
[18:55] <andai> technology is cool, this drive is a bit bigger than a credit card, as thick as my little finger and 500GB (and no external supply needed)
[18:55] <andai> me neither but this just looked really cool and tiny so i bought it lol
[18:55] <clutch> one of those mypassports or whatever?
[18:55] <andai> no thems be gay
[18:55] <andai> though this is gay too, i can't even get it to boot linux
[18:55] <clutch> thems be gay indeed
[18:55] <andai> (the internet has created new breeds of english grammar in my brain)
[18:56] <clutch> that would be "intarnetz"
[18:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> pproblem solved...had to install an older version of libpulse
[18:56] <andai> i learnt how to edit xfce themes, i r happy
[18:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> andai, nice
[18:57] <andai> basically i hated how the focused and unfocused window color was the same so i wanted to change it
[18:57] <clutch> Damnit...I need to transfer all that music and setting up an FTP for a onetime use seems like a waste of work.
[18:57] <andai> but turns out (even though its a really simple theme that would just be a 1kb textfile in openbox) that it was like 20 png files
[18:57] <andai> clutch what?
[18:57] <andai> you mean FTP on the recieving computer?
[18:58] <clutch> Yeah.
[18:58] <charlie-tca> clutch: if they are in the same system, just use samba
[18:58] <clutch> No, they are on my gf's macbook
[18:58] <TheSheep> clutch: just tar it up and send with netcat
[18:58] <clutch> lol
[18:58] <clutch> ooooh
[18:58] <charlie-tca> put in ssh and scp it
[18:58] <TheSheep> or even better, scp
[18:58] <TheSheep> yeah
[18:58] <andai> TheSheep wtf
[18:58] <clutch> ^^good idea
[18:58] <clutch> tthanks
[18:58] <TheSheep> !scp
[18:59] <andai> thesheep I meant the ubottu message
[18:59] <clutch> you think the macbook has SSH set up by default?
[18:59] <clutch> If i could do this without getting off my ass that would be perfect
[18:59] <clutch> lol
[18:59] <andai> it has Darwin terminal right?
[18:59] <clutch> yeah
[18:59] <TheSheep> andai: that factoid is there for a reason
[19:00] <andai> you could try it
[19:00] <andai> TheSheep but why did you send it to me?
[19:00] <clutch> i'm going to, brb
[19:00] <andai> its motivation is that foreign users might not understand, but my "i r happy" wasn't meant to help foreign linux users :P
[19:01] <clutch> running nmap scan to find her macbook right now lol
[19:01] <andai> find?
[19:01] <clutch> I'm that lazy that I don't want to go upstairs to get its IP
[19:01] <andai> i'm not sure you can ssh *into* her macbook from here lol
[19:01] <clutch> IM GOING TO TRY DAMNIT
[19:01] <clutch> lol
[19:01] <andai> hahhaa
[19:02] <andai> i thought he meant to ssh into the receiving computer and upload the files that way
[19:02] <clutch> Hell naw.  I want to ssh into the macbook and pull the files down to my machine here in the basement
[19:02] <clutch> hopefully all without getting up
[19:02] <clutch> probably not going to work though
[19:02] <andai> TheSheep if they talk about puppies and autism why don't they just merge the *buntu-offtopics?
[19:08] <mikubuntu> i am gettg way flusterred with my laptop.  i can't get dvd to eject after viewing without restarting the computer.  vlc and movie player don't seem to have 'eject' buttons, and the manual button on the dvd will not work unless i restart.  what gives?
[19:11] <clutch> try right-clicking on your dvd drive in a file manager and select eject?
[19:12] <clutch> otherwise I would search around for ubuntu and your specific laptop model to see if there's some known issue with it.
[19:20] <clutch> brb
[19:20] <charlie-tca> mikubuntu: try using eject in terminal, also
[19:27] <mikubuntu> charlie-tca, in terminal just enter 'eject' ?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:28] <mikubuntu> i'll try it
[19:28] <charlie-tca> there are two commands you can use, exo-eject and eject
[19:28] <mikubuntu> ok, thx, i'll try
[19:28] <charlie-tca> eject by itself is the cdrom/dvd drive
[19:29] <mikubuntu> cool, thanks, eject works!!!
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Great :-)
[19:30] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/195649
[19:30] <mikubuntu> moving on to UGLY BETTY, Season 1, Disk 3, Episodes 9-12
[19:31] <clutch> mikubuntu: if you want, you can make an icon in your panel to eject it as well
[19:31] <clutch> that way you don't have to use terminal/thunar
[19:38] <clutch> Just add a new launcher to the panel with "eject" for the command and whatever icon you want
[19:38] <Arpad2> hello
[19:39] <clutch> hey
[19:40] <charlie-tca> !hi | Arpad2
[19:40] <Arpad2> hi charlie-tca
[19:40] <charlie-tca> bug 195649
[19:40] <charlie-tca> ubottu: how come you don't know bugs here?
[19:41]  * charlie-tca kicks ubottu 
[19:41] <clutch> ubottu: emacs or vi?
[19:41] <clutch> They need to get the guy who made Bucket over in #xkcd in here
[19:42] <clutch> best irc bot ever.  lol
[19:42] <Sysi> ubottu's best ♥
[19:44] <Arpad2> gigolo cant connect to partition, drive d in xp, but it is the sda5 partition
[19:45] <Arpad2> can smb help me?
[19:46] <Arpad2> please
[19:48] <clutch> Sorry, I'm not familiar with gigolo
[19:48] <clutch> is the drive mounted though?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> !gigolo
[19:49] <rabc> hi folks can anyone help quick question just installed xubuntu and wondering what is the best unrar package to use or is there on already installed
[19:49] <charlie-tca> rabc: install unrar
[19:50] <charlie-tca> or just try clicking the file in Thunar file manager and see if it can unpackage it
[19:50] <rabc> thanks charlie
[19:50] <rabc> would prefer GUI but want to learn command line
[19:51] <Arpad2> arpad@arpad-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/windows-d
[19:51] <Arpad2> fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy
[19:51] <charlie-tca> but gui will tell you if the package is installed. If it can't extract the files, it is not installed
[19:51] <rabc> ill have a look at thunar now
[19:51] <rabc> thanks charlie
[19:51] <charlie-tca> You don't mount that way using fuse, Arpad2
[19:52] <rabc> is there a good primer on basic command prompts
[19:52] <Arpad2> ok
[19:52] <charlie-tca> rabc: yes, just a minute
[19:52] <rabc> no panic thanks charlie
[19:55] <clutch> My God, I love FLAC.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> rabc: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/basic-commands/C/
[19:59] <Arpad2> i also used this: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda5 /media/windows-d. now it seems it works:)
[19:59] <rabc> thanks charlie look the now
[19:59] <charlie-tca> That 's because it is closer to correct, Arpad2
[19:59] <rabc> by the way what is the install size of xubuntu
[19:59] <charlie-tca> 1.5 GB
[20:00] <rabc> is their a leuge table of linux OS and install size anywhere?
[20:00] <rabc> thanks
[20:00] <rabc> what would a small OS take up roughly
[20:00] <Arpad2> why has than xubuntu occupied ca 5 GB on my hard disk?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> rabc: puppy is about 100 MB
[20:00] <charlie-tca> There is DSL is about 50
[20:00] <charlie-tca> mb
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: added items
[20:01] <Arpad2> ok
[20:01] <Arpad2> i have still one bug
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu is about 900MB, I think
[20:01] <Arpad2> but perhaps the bug is in my old pc
[20:02] <rabc> thanks charlie would puppy be about the smallest stable one
[20:02] <TheSheep> there are also some micro-distributions for things like pdas
[20:03] <charlie-tca> No, there are others I can't think of
[20:03] <TheSheep> you can have system and X in under 10MB
[20:03] <rabc> ok thanks
[20:03] <rabc> wow under 10mb
[20:03] <TheSheep> but their functionality is rather limited
[20:03] <TheSheep> and you can't compile all the apps on them
[20:04] <Arpad2> it appeared in ubuntu , knoppix, ylmf--cannot connect to the internet via network, only with sudo
[20:04] <rabc> if u uninstall all unecessary programs in xubuntu what would you end up with roughly
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: that is a bug
[20:04] <charlie-tca> dead machine
[20:04] <charlie-tca> rabc ^ ^
[20:05] <Arpad2> so pc terminally ill?
[20:05] <Arpad2> :)
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: no, yours is a bug
[20:06] <charlie-tca> rabc: There is something called minimal install, it lets you decide what to install. Done properly, you would have a working system with no apps
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Well, that was wrong. Working system with apps you wanted only...
[20:07] <charlie-tca> We install some extra stuff that is not needed, but makes life easier on developers and others
[20:12] <Arpad2> is it possibble to have a webcan in pidgin?
[20:12] <Arpad2> m
[20:12] <Arpad2> :)
[20:17] <ay_> Can anyone tell me how to get emesene on xubuntu? I tried sudo apt-get install emesene but it says it couldn't find the package
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Maybe it doesn't exist
[20:18] <charlie-tca> !info emesene
[20:19] <charlie-tca> maybe you typed it wrong
[20:19] <ay_> I tried it a couple different times
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Try the package manager instead: Applications -> system -> Synaptic Package Manager
[20:19] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[20:20] <ay_> Really old version
[20:20] <ay_> 6.06
[20:21] <charlie-tca> Probably did not exist for it
[20:22] <charlie-tca> 6.06 is end of life real soon. Good chance to upgrade to 10.04
[20:23] <charlie-tca> the upgrade would be 6.06 to 8.04 to 10.04
[20:23] <ay_> I'll try to upgrade
[20:23] <charlie-tca> 10.04 releases on the 29th
[20:24] <charlie-tca> The first version with emesene was 8.04
[20:24] <ay_> can I upgrade without having to use a live cd?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> yes, before the version reaches end of life.
[20:25] <ay_> alright I will try to do that
[20:25] <rabc> sorry charlie was away there catching up now
[20:26] <charlie-tca> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:26] <rabc> how do ya do a minimal install
[20:26] <charlie-tca> Start with the alternate cd. pick "expert" option
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Be ready for lots of issues if you leave anything needed out
[20:28] <rabc> is there a list of critical installs
[20:28] <Arpad2> can smb tell me what this mean: Adding this PPA to your system...what is ppa?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> rabc: not really
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: Personal Package Archive
[20:29] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: place on launchpad where someone built a package for the application you are installing
[20:31] <Arpad2> where is launchpad?
[20:31] <Arpad2> :(
[20:39] <charlie-tca> It is where bugs are reported, and packages are kept and tracked
[20:39] <charlie-tca> https://help.launchpad.net
[20:49] <Arpad2> success:) i ve installed a new app:)!
[20:50] <Arpad2> keepassx
[20:54] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[20:55] <Arpad2> :)
[20:56] <Arpad2> now i will have to figure out how to transfer date from win keepass to keepassx, if its possibble
[20:56] <Arpad2> data
[20:56] <charlie-tca> should be able to just open the windows file in Xubuntu
[20:57] <charlie-tca> but read the docs!
[20:57] <charlie-tca> /usr/share/doc/keepassx
[20:57] <Arpad2> ok
[20:57] <Arpad2> thx!
[21:05] <sausy> I need help! My desk doesnt show any menu bar... Plez!!
[21:06] <sausy> Any??
[21:06] <sausy> Someone here?
[21:06] <sausy> I need some help!!
[21:07] <sausy> :(
[21:07] <Sysi> !ask
[21:07] <Sysi> panels lost?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> !panels | sausy
[21:18] <sausy> Uuh! Really work! Thanks!
[22:05]  * nikolam ask himself.. why (oh why) I need to learn Perl, just to rename 20 files..
[22:06] <nikolam> in DOS it was so easy. ren *000* *00*
[22:15] <charlie-tca> You don't really have to learn perl, there is an application for that in the repositories.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> I just can't remember the name now. It used to be installed by default
[22:56] <charlie-tca> nikolam: take a look at gprename
[22:57] <charlie-tca> also, mrename